The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program | Guests: K. Yang & Melinda Rockwell | 1/12/23
Aired: 2023-01-12
Duration: 40:18


=== Antibiotic Shortage and Jace Medical (02:01) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, Stu.
[00:00:01]  Hi, Glenn.
[00:00:03]  I can't even remember what we did the first half of the podcast because the second half was just blew me away.
[00:00:09]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:00:10]  I mean, it was three guests that I can't even believe are out there talking about this.
[00:00:16]  Seems like these are the type of people that get, you know, banished to dungeons.
[00:00:20]  They are in trouble.
[00:00:21]  They are in trouble.
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[00:00:31]  This is really an important.
[00:00:32]  I'm really proud to have Jace Medical on with us.
[00:00:35]  The American Society of Healthcare Pharmacists, okay?
[00:00:38]  Group that tracks the production of medications around the world.
[00:00:42]  They've said, you should just let everybody know there's seems to be a worldwide shortage of antibiotics, especially something probably nobody's ever heard of, amoxicillin.
[00:00:52]  Oh, okay.
[00:00:53]  So there's a shortage of that.
[00:00:55]  Good.
[00:00:56]  Now there's a shortage of that.
[00:00:59]  What happens if there's any kind of supply line trouble?
[00:01:02]  And I know that will never happen because the world is so freaking stable right now.
[00:01:09]  You have to protect yourself and your family.
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[00:01:20]  It's a great way to keep yourself prepared for the worst.
[00:01:23]  You might have food supply, but do you have antibiotics?
[00:01:27]  They offer a pack of five different courses of antibiotics that you can use to treat a long list of bacterial illnesses, UTIs, respiratory infections, sinusitis skin infections, and so much more.
[00:01:39]  Darla wrote in, she said, my child developed an infection while we were on vacation.
[00:01:44]  Luckily, we always travel with a Jace case.
[00:01:47]  I started her on antibiotics and the infection cleared up.
[00:01:50]  Her doctor later told us that it was likely the antibiotics from Jace case that saved her life.
[00:01:57]  Don't get caught unprepared.
[00:01:59]  Don't get caught in shortages.

=== The Great Reset Conspiracy (03:52) ===

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[00:02:35]  Glenn.
[00:02:37]  How are you?
[00:02:37]  Oh, fantastic.
[00:02:40]  It's a good day.
[00:02:40]  Good day to be an American.
[00:02:43]  Well, I mean, besides the fact that, you know, Richard Trump can now say, oh, we're not trying to ban gas stoves.
[00:02:51]  Really?
[00:02:51]  I can't take the Republicans pounce on gas stove.
[00:02:55]  It's a conspiracy theory.
[00:02:58]  Oh, my God.
[00:02:58]  Did you hear yesterday that Washington State, this study came out and it's full of holes, full of holes.
[00:03:06]  The most extensive study on natural gas and cooktops and heating in your home and everything else, it shows there's absolutely no impact as long as you're not, this is really the way this study did it, the one that was like, we got to get rid of natural gas.
[00:03:25]  They sealed the house like in plastic.
[00:03:28]  So if you have no ventilation and natural gas, it might affect your children with asthma.
[00:03:36]  Well, I don't know.
[00:03:37]  I don't live in a plastic bubble with my stove.
[00:03:41]  It's required to have venting on your stove.
[00:03:45]  Anyway, this is craziness.
[00:03:48]  Washington State in November already changed it.
[00:03:53]  You can't build a house now in Washington State with a gas stove.
[00:03:59]  It has to be electric.
[00:04:00]  Yeah, we're squarely in that time where they say, what are you crazy?
[00:04:04]  We would never do that, but we should because look at all these effects, but we would never.
[00:04:08]  Why are you such a conspiracy theory?
[00:04:10]  But have you ever thought about it before?
[00:04:12]  Because we should really probably do it right now.
[00:04:13]  But I can't believe you're bringing it up.
[00:04:15]  It's that type of thing.
[00:04:16]  It's over and over and over again.
[00:04:19]  They buy time by convincing half of the population that it's a conspiracy theory.
[00:04:24]  May I bring up ESG, the World Economic Forum's Great Reset.
[00:04:30]  Okay?
[00:04:31]  Conspiracy theory, not happening.
[00:04:33]  It's happening.
[00:04:34]  And half of America knows it and knows what it really means.
[00:04:39]  You're luckily in that half.
[00:04:41]  Hopefully you're in that half.
[00:04:43]  If you're not, you're a new listener.
[00:04:45]  Welcome.
[00:04:46]  You will understand it soon.
[00:04:48]  Last night I did a special and you can find it on YouTube, although I did utter the words the great reset several times, which is a no-no on YouTube.
[00:04:57]  You cannot say the great reset.
[00:04:59]  It's the name of my book.
[00:05:01]  Cannot say that.
[00:05:02]  That's a good marketing idea there, by the way, by you.
[00:05:05]  Well, it wasn't banned.
[00:05:06]  No, it wasn't banned when you did it.
[00:05:08]  Yeah.
[00:05:09]  You should have just predicted the whims of YouTube.
[00:05:12]  Right, right.
[00:05:12]  Well, I'm going to call my next book YouTube.
[00:05:15]  Anyway, so it's up on YouTube.
[00:05:19]  I think you can certainly check it out at Blaze TV, where it will be protected and live forever on Blaze TV on demand.
[00:05:29]  But last night I talked about the war on land, on fuel, all of it.
[00:05:34]  Food, what is happening with our food is outrageous.
[00:05:38]  And I'm going to give you some things here that you will not believe.
[00:05:44]  In about eight minutes, you will say, no way, that's true.
[00:05:49]  You're going to have to look it up and I'll give you the address and everything else.
[00:05:52]  Okay.

=== Bill Gates Buying 300 Million Acres (07:34) ===

[00:05:53]  Right now, 40% of farmland in America, 40, is owned by Americans over 65.
[00:06:01]  Our farmers are dying out.
[00:06:04]  So farmland, 40% of it, is going to go up for sale soon.
[00:06:11]  Okay?
[00:06:12]  And the way everything is structured, the farmers' families usually can't afford to keep the farm when mom and dad die.
[00:06:21]  So that means 370 million acres are going to come up of farmland, good American farmland, going to come up for sale soon.
[00:06:34]  Now, the prices of farmland is skyrocketing for some reason.
[00:06:40]  I mean, who wants farmland?
[00:06:42]  You know, the best and fastest way to become a millionaire as a farmer is start with $2 million.
[00:06:50]  Okay.
[00:06:51]  You're guaranteed to have a million dollars probably by the end of the year.
[00:06:56]  It's a losing prospect.
[00:06:58]  It is hard work, hard work, and you need good communities around you.
[00:07:03]  So why is farmland prices going up?
[00:07:06]  Well, a couple of reasons.
[00:07:07]  COVID, people are like, yeah, I just want to be, you know, someplace other than California.
[00:07:12]  And so then they buy, we'll raise chickens and we'll have eggs and maybe we'll have a goat and a first winter and the first harvest, they're like, and they run back someplace in the city.
[00:07:26]  A few months ago, a farm in Iowa sold for $25,000 per acre.
[00:07:35]  To say that land prices are skyrocketing is an understatement.
[00:07:39]  So who is buying all of the farmland?
[00:07:43]  Well, BlackRock buying up record, record-shattering amounts of homes.
[00:07:50]  For farms, it's people like Bill Gates.
[00:07:54]  Now, I don't know about you, but Bill Gates buying up 300,000 acres spread out.
[00:08:01]  Remember, 40% of the farmlands, 40% owned by 65 and up, 40%.
[00:08:11]  How many acres did I say that was?
[00:08:13]  370 million.
[00:08:17]  40%, 370.
[00:08:20]  How many acres does Bill Gates have now?
[00:08:23]  He's approaching 300 million acres.
[00:08:27]  So that's kind of disturbing.
[00:08:31]  One guy owning another 40% of our farmland, if these numbers are right.
[00:08:38]  That's terrifying, especially a guy who believes in, you know what?
[00:08:43]  Well, we shouldn't have cattle and we shouldn't have milk.
[00:08:47]  And, you know, I can genetically fix these animals because I am God.
[00:08:55]  And also, more disturbingly, this is the guy who approved Clippy.
[00:08:59]  Yes.
[00:09:00]  The little paper clip that would give you recommendations on what to do in Microsoft Office.
[00:09:04]  So I totally support Bill Gates in his little farmer expedition.
[00:09:10]  He's going to be a good farmer.
[00:09:12]  Anyway.
[00:09:13]  You think he's done a lot of farming?
[00:09:15]  You think Bill has been out in the fields?
[00:09:17]  Oh, sure.
[00:09:17]  Yeah, he knows who he's doing.
[00:09:18]  With the hoe.
[00:09:19]  300 37.6 million acres of U.S. farm and ranch land now held under foreign ownership.
[00:09:27]  37.6 million acres.
[00:09:32]  They've doubled down recently, buying land in Oklahoma, Texas, Colorado.
[00:09:36]  40% growth rate in just 2020.
[00:09:40]  One Chinese government linked group bought farmland near Grand Forks Air Force Base in North Dakota.
[00:09:46]  No problem there.
[00:09:47]  No problem.
[00:09:48]  Not really seriously.
[00:09:50]  Former member of the Chinese Communist Red Army bought land near Laughlin Air Force Base here in Texas.
[00:09:58]  The windmill project that he's doing gives the Chinese yet another dangerous location next to a sensitive military base.
[00:10:05]  Buyers from communist China bought 6.1 billion acres of farmland here in the U.S. Hmm.
[00:10:13]  By farm, that's more than any other foreign buyer.
[00:10:16]  But it's just the Chinese, you know, communist government that's doing it.
[00:10:22]  What could possibly go wrong?
[00:10:23]  By the way, an update.
[00:10:25]  I said this last night.
[00:10:26]  Ron DeSantis is the only guy that would do this.
[00:10:30]  He needs to ban China from buying farmland.
[00:10:34]  And guess what he did yesterday?
[00:10:36]  Yeah.
[00:10:38]  He's banning China from buying farmland.
[00:10:42]  Where are you, Texas?
[00:10:44]  Where are you?
[00:10:46]  Okay, so you're seeing that our farmland is being put into the hands of either our enemies, like Bill Gates, or the Chinese.
[00:10:59]  So what are you going to do?
[00:11:02]  Bill Gates, 300 million acres.
[00:11:06]  300,000, isn't it?
[00:11:07]  300,000 acres?
[00:11:09]  You said 300 million acres.
[00:11:10]  300 million.
[00:11:11]  Is it 300,000?
[00:11:12]  Let me look at it.
[00:11:13]  30,000 acres.
[00:11:15]  300,000?
[00:11:16]  Okay.
[00:11:16]  It's a lot better.
[00:11:18]  Still, yes.
[00:11:18]  It's a lot of acres.
[00:11:20]  But much better than 300 million.
[00:11:22]  Okay.
[00:11:22]  300,000 acres.
[00:11:23]  So he's got all this farmland.
[00:11:25]  You know where he's going.
[00:11:27]  He is fully with the World Economic Forum.
[00:11:31]  Okay.
[00:11:32]  So the World Economic Forum, what do they want to do?
[00:11:35]  Well, they want to control the land.
[00:11:37]  They want to control the food.
[00:11:39]  They want to control the energy.
[00:11:41]  They want to control the money.
[00:11:43]  Well, if you do all of those things, you control you.
[00:11:47]  Now, I'm going to take you to something, to the World Economic Forum, their own website.
[00:11:55]  They have a section on smart cities.
[00:12:01]  Like, I don't know, like Chicago, very smart.
[00:12:07]  So the smart cities are the way to get all of our problems under control.
[00:12:13]  Because you're going to, their plan is to force everybody into cities and leave the land alone.
[00:12:24]  Remember, they have to, by 2030, and Biden's already done this, he's going to preserve 30% of all land in America.
[00:12:34]  You can't know humans will be on it.
[00:12:37]  By 2050, it's 50% of all land.
[00:12:40]  So where do the people go?
[00:12:42]  The people all have to go into cities, but they'll be smart cities.
[00:12:47]  Now, I want you to go to the World Economic Forum's website, and I want you to look this up for yourself because you will not believe what I'm about to tell you.
[00:13:01]  But it's there currently in black and white.
[00:13:06]  So you decide who's the conspiracy theorist and who is actually lying to you.
[00:13:17]  You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
[00:13:24]  I am thrilled to have Kay Yang on with us.

=== Propaganda Tools and Social Engineering (09:42) ===

[00:13:27]  She is a deprogrammer, which I too did not know even exists.
[00:13:34]  She is the creator of StopFemaleErasure.com.
[00:13:40]  She is truly amazing.
[00:13:43]  She exposes the intersections of corporate government nonprofit collusion driving the transgender rights movement.
[00:13:51]  She says a smokescreen for massive social engineering and propaganda war being used to facilitate female erasure in language, in law, and on a worldwide scale.
[00:14:03]  Her work connects the dots between normalized practices of child sexualization and proliferation of biopharmaceutical transhumanist technologies.
[00:14:13]  Man, I am going to love this woman.
[00:14:15]  And frames these agendas as foundational to the colonization of the female body and the female reproductive control.
[00:14:24]  Kay, welcome to the program.
[00:14:28]  Wow.
[00:14:28]  Thank you so much, Glenn, for having me here and for this opportunity.
[00:14:31]  Good morning.
[00:14:32]  Good morning.
[00:14:33]  I'm so glad to have you on.
[00:14:35]  Let me make sure I have your background right.
[00:14:40]  10 years ago, when none of us were talking about this stuff, you were working at an LGBT center?
[00:14:48]  That's right, I was.
[00:14:50]  In my early 20s is when I was working at an LGBT center.
[00:14:54]  It was a small local nonprofit, and the funding was coming from the New York State Department of Health.
[00:15:02]  So that's a really important part of this as well, that the state was funding me to do the work that I was doing.
[00:15:09]  We were indoctrinating public school children with gender identity and transgender ideology.
[00:15:15]  So we were actually being armed with rainbow-colored propaganda that was sent to us from these large nonprofits like GLISSN and GLAAD.
[00:15:24]  And then we'd go into the schools, disarm the teachers really with these themes around acceptance, anti-bullying, suicide prevention.
[00:15:33]  And then we would introduce children to the concept of gender identity and transgender.
[00:15:39]  And we would use propaganda tools like the gender-bred person, which you may have seen before, but your audience might not all be familiar with.
[00:15:48]  It's a cartoon cookie character, and it teaches children to measure themselves and others by so-called woman-ness or man-ness or femaleness or maleness.
[00:16:00]  So we would take tools like this into the schools with us.
[00:16:04]  We would visit local area high schools and set up LGBT clubs and gay straight alliances.
[00:16:12]  Hang on just a second.
[00:16:13]  Kay, hang on just a second.
[00:16:14]  You got into the schools and the teachers were disarmed, assuming they had a problem.
[00:16:20]  They were disarmed because you were coming in under the umbrella of the New York State Division of Family and Children counseling, right?
[00:16:27]  So you were coming in with state approval.
[00:16:31]  That's right.
[00:16:32]  And we were in there kind of under the idea of sexual health and education, even though we were not experts.
[00:16:43]  I had never been trained in sexual health, but I was considered an expert the moment that I took the job.
[00:16:50]  I was billed as an expert to the teachers.
[00:16:54]  And we were talking to these students without the knowledge, like without their parents' consent.
[00:17:02]  Parents didn't know that we were having these after-school clubs.
[00:17:05]  They didn't know that we were talking about sex, talking about sexuality, trans identities, and gender identity with these students.
[00:17:13]  There was no knowledge or consent from parents.
[00:17:16]  And this was all considered okay.
[00:17:18]  Okay, all right.
[00:17:19]  So this is 10 years ago.
[00:17:21]  This is you 10 years ago.
[00:17:24]  What brought you from that to somebody who is helping parents deprogram their children?
[00:17:32]  What changed in you?
[00:17:33]  What was the moment that you were like, oh, crap, I'm on the wrong side?
[00:17:38]  Well, a lot of things.
[00:17:40]  A lot of things.
[00:17:41]  As soon as I saw this concept of a trans child, this was really concerning to me because at the time when I was working at the LGBT Center, I had no idea that the work that we were doing was really paving the way for the manufacturing of the so-called trans child and also for people to accept this idea, right?
[00:18:03]  Or that there would be medicalization or sterilization of healthy children in their bodies.
[00:18:09]  None of this was ever part of the work that we were doing.
[00:18:12]  It never crossed my mind that this would be a thing.
[00:18:15]  So yeah, 10 years ago, no one had ever heard of a trans child.
[00:18:19]  But in 2019, the CDC did a survey and it was claimed that one out of every 50 high school students in America was identifying as trans.
[00:18:29]  So that's a huge increase.
[00:18:32]  And all, yeah, and a lot of the reporting news media has attributed that the increase to children feeling safe to come out and to them having like better data collection, but it's never attributed to this widespread social engineering that was going on.
[00:18:51]  And as soon as I heard this concept of a trans child, this was extremely alarming to me.
[00:18:56]  Because if you went back in time and told me that what we were doing at the LGBT center would result in like this near future where three, four, five, six-year-old children are being paraded in front of international media, openly sexualized and groomed, you know, these drag kids, drag queen story time.
[00:19:16]  I never would have believed this.
[00:19:20]  And really, there's no such thing as a trans child.
[00:19:22]  And this becomes really obvious when you look back only one decade to a time when no one had heard of a trans child.
[00:19:29]  It's corporate fiction.
[00:19:30]  It's propaganda.
[00:19:32]  No child is born in the wrong body.
[00:19:34]  No person, whether an adult or a child, can change their sex.
[00:19:38]  It doesn't really matter, you know, anything you do.
[00:19:40]  You can put on makeup, you can change your clothes, you can, you know, drug yourself up with chemicals and wrong sex hormones or have these, you know, really invasive, medically unnecessary procedures, but it's never going to change the fact that a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl.
[00:19:57]  So we have to stop lying to children.
[00:19:59]  And when I saw that this move, the so-called movement, it's not a real movement, but when I saw this turn towards the focus on children and telling children that they could be born in the wrong body and moving them on a path towards, you know, medicalization, this really shocked me and scared me.
[00:20:21]  So because you're into the transhumanist movement and everything we'll talk about a little bit later, I just want to make sure we're on the same page.
[00:20:32]  I believe that we are living in a time where a lot of people are useful idiots.
[00:20:38]  And a lot of the people that believe in the stuff that you were teaching, a lot of them might be really well-intentioned and believe that this is really something, whatever.
[00:20:53]  But there is, I said last hour, I don't know why liberals won't wake up because liberals were right.
[00:21:01]  Conservatives were wrong.
[00:21:03]  The liberals were the ones saying the United States government is just colluding with corporations and eventually it's going to be one giant corporation.
[00:21:12]  I think the collusion between the government and, you know, in this case, pharmaceutical companies or whatever, that collusion is what's really truly driving all of this stuff.
[00:21:26]  And they are using these organizations.
[00:21:30]  And these organizations are going to be chewed up in the end is the minute they stop becoming a shill for the system, government and business.
[00:21:41]  Do you agree with that?
[00:21:43]  Yeah, I mean, in terms of people, there being like a lot of useful idiots, I agree because I was one of those useful idiots, you know.
[00:21:52]  I was thinking that what I was doing was a good thing.
[00:21:56]  It was the right thing.
[00:21:58]  I thought my beliefs were correct and they were morally superior.
[00:22:02]  I, you know, and now I know that I was wrong.
[00:22:05]  And part of how I know that I was wrong is because I really started investigating the money behind what was pushing this movement.
[00:22:14]  And where, you know, and I have to well, you know, there's a lot of collusion going on because when I worked at the LGBT nonprofit, I didn't really think of it at the time.
[00:22:26]  It was later in my life when I started investigating money behind other social movements that I realized that I could like take this analysis and apply it to the work I was doing at the LGBT nonprofit.
[00:22:39]  So then I started to realize like, wait a second, I was being paid by New York State to go into public schools to indoctrinate them with materials that were coming from large nonprofit organizations like GLISSEN and GLAAD.
[00:22:55]  And those organizations are partnering with the government and with foundations and the private sector.
[00:23:03]  And all of this is being done to push this propaganda and target our children in the public school system.

=== The Cult of Indoctrination (16:25) ===

[00:23:10]  And you say this is to erase the female.
[00:23:16]  Well, yes, that is really foundational to this entire thing.
[00:23:20]  First and foremost, they want to disrupt our sense of self and erase the division between the sexes because human beings are a sexually dimorphic species.
[00:23:30]  There's males and there's females, and everybody who does not fall into male or female, well, they actually still do.
[00:23:37]  They have hormonal differences or chromosomal differences, but they still fall into one of the two.
[00:23:44]  We're dimorphic.
[00:23:45]  But this is being erased in our reality right now when children are being taught that sex is a spectrum.
[00:23:52]  Even the World Health Organization has recently, and you know, they're part of the United Nations.
[00:23:56]  The World Health Organization recently said that they're going to be expanding their definition of sex and that they want to expand it to include people with trans and gender diverse identities.
[00:24:13]  The best of the Glenn Beck program.
[00:24:20]  We are focusing today based on a story that I found in the New York Post a couple of weeks ago.
[00:24:27]  We're focused on our children and the programming that they're going through and the deprogramming that they need.
[00:24:37]  There's, I think her name is Dana Kennedy.
[00:24:39]  She is a writer for the New York Post.
[00:24:41]  She wrote this article.
[00:24:43]  I read it and I had never heard of deprogrammers.
[00:24:46]  You know, you hear of deprogramming people that are in cults, but I don't know why, because I believe that the Church of Wokeness is a religious cult and it has its own doctrine and it also has its punishments if you don't bow down to the right God at the right time.
[00:25:08]  And our children are being indoctrinated.
[00:25:11]  Well, Melinda Rockwell is a mom that I read about in that story.
[00:25:17]  And her daughter needed reprogramming after college.
[00:25:21]  And so we wanted to talk to her.
[00:25:23]  Melinda, welcome to the program.
[00:25:27]  How are you?
[00:25:28]  Thank you, Glenn, for having me.
[00:25:29]  We love your show.
[00:25:30]  I'm a great fan.
[00:25:31]  Wait, you're from New York, though, aren't you?
[00:25:35]  Oh, it's weird.
[00:25:36]  I am very much born and raised in New York, but I'm a reasonable, rational human being.
[00:25:41]  Yeah, good for you.
[00:25:42]  So tell me about the situation with your daughter.
[00:25:45]  What happened?
[00:25:47]  Well, the situation was Annabella was a, you know, she was from New York and raised part-time, middle school, Bahamas, traveled all over the world.
[00:25:55]  We considered ourselves very open-minded, kind of gypsy in our thinking.
[00:26:01]  And, you know, I always said rules don't apply to us because we're free thinkers.
[00:26:05]  So I did, we bent over backwards to get her into an Ivy League or Seventh Sister School.
[00:26:10]  We did that.
[00:26:11]  One of the reasons she went with a coach, Scott Williams, who was a major, major coach, respected Agassiz coach, and Tommy Haas has got her, I think he got her into Mount Holyoke, two other schools, Bryn Mawr and everything.
[00:26:24]  Mount Holyoke seemed to be the least crazy of the schools because they had a top writing team there.
[00:26:31]  And she went off with a, she had a guy, a boyfriend, very much in her life.
[00:26:38]  And little by little, the friends there, she hung around with a lot of kids that had gone to private school, you know, boarding school, so they had that in common because she'd gone to boarding school.
[00:26:47]  Little by little, we don't like your boyfriend.
[00:26:49]  We don't like him.
[00:26:50]  We don't want him to visit here.
[00:26:51]  You'll have to go visit him at Hobart if you want to see him.
[00:26:54]  We don't like him.
[00:26:55]  So little by little, and then the end of the second year, she said, Mom, I think I want to look at other schools.
[00:27:00]  She came to look at Florida, Lynn University, and was almost there.
[00:27:03]  But you know, the con is everybody around here, well, you can't leave Mount Holyoke.
[00:27:09]  How could you ever leave Mount Holyoke?
[00:27:12]  Of course.
[00:27:13]  And of course, that's why we wanted her there for the sheepskin.
[00:27:15]  So, and I will say, when she shows that degree, she gets any job.
[00:27:21]  It doesn't, you know, it's that it was that important.
[00:27:24]  Anyway, by we certainly noticed junior year, by senior year, I didn't know who this kid was.
[00:27:32]  And I mean, so seriously, that I had a cousin that was in a cult.
[00:27:36]  It was S. Forum, and she was from the 70s.
[00:27:41]  Crazy.
[00:27:42]  Yeah, but she got into it in the 90s.
[00:27:46]  And it was about seven years and withheld her grandchild from my aunt.
[00:27:51]  It was all day long.
[00:27:52]  My aunt lived in my building.
[00:27:53]  So I was hearing, you know, I've got to get a lawyer to get grandparents' visitation rights.
[00:27:58]  Although my cousin took the check, I guarantee you, she took the money every month.
[00:28:04]  So you have actual cult experience in your family.
[00:28:08]  You've seen it.
[00:28:09]  Yes.
[00:28:10]  Yes.
[00:28:10]  But also, I had been in a theater in New York, the National Improvisational Theater in New York.
[00:28:18]  It was in Chelsea.
[00:28:19]  And I had no idea at the time that all these happy people were actually all Scientologists.
[00:28:24]  And they did try and push it.
[00:28:25]  And I just got rid of them by saying, I have no money.
[00:28:30]  I can't pay for your courses.
[00:28:31]  Can't do it.
[00:28:32]  No money.
[00:28:32]  Bye-bye.
[00:28:33]  And they actually left me alone.
[00:28:35]  But, you know, they don't give up easily.
[00:28:39]  So I recognize this.
[00:28:40]  So anyway, by the time, and I did notice when I went to the Parents' Day, these teachers at the college were speaking of gender and things in the German class.
[00:28:51]  They were going on about indoctrination, about the patriarchy.
[00:28:55]  I heard this and I thought, well, this is very strange.
[00:28:57]  I knew to me they were lunatics.
[00:29:00]  And I knew that Annabella wasn't going to fall for this because, you know, she was free thinking and we were normal, rational.
[00:29:09]  You were not necessarily New York liberal.
[00:29:11]  You were classic liberal.
[00:29:14]  Classic liberal.
[00:29:15]  I was raised with a very powerful great-grandfather who, when we knew the real world.
[00:29:23]  If you went against the system, if you ever spoke against him, he would literally tell a newspaper magazine, we will withdraw our advertising.
[00:29:32]  We knew the real story, and we knew you have to sort of work around it if you want to get your point out.
[00:29:37]  So for her to have been, I mean, she's, when I tell you, she's traveled, she was in, you know, a month in India at 12 years old, you know, she's been around.
[00:29:47]  So for this little hokey school of 2,000 people in Massachusetts to be able to get a 21-year-old's brain and completely crush her spirit so much that she was a zombie.
[00:30:01]  When she came home, she wouldn't come home for vacation unless she brought what we call the handler.
[00:30:07]  She would bring a handler.
[00:30:08]  And it was so insane to hear a robotic speech pattern.
[00:30:15]  My mother, my sister, any family members were upset.
[00:30:19]  Her father was a little oblivious to it because he was not living with us at the time.
[00:30:25]  He was in New York with a very, very leftist girlfriend who was the niece of Larry Kramer, who founded ACTUP.
[00:30:33]  Yeah.
[00:30:33]  He was gone as far as that.
[00:30:35]  And he was bending over backwards to be the nice dad.
[00:30:38]  He is not that way anymore.
[00:30:40]  He completely understands what happened.
[00:30:42]  And he was with me.
[00:30:45]  Did you have arguments with her?
[00:30:48]  How was she different besides kind of zombified?
[00:30:53]  She came when she did come home.
[00:30:55]  She was trying to tell me about the patriarchy.
[00:30:58]  And now we understand that she was sent home with a mission from the school, from the teachers, and the parents, the parents of these, I can't call them liberal because they're not liberal.
[00:31:07]  They're unaccepting.
[00:31:08]  If I'll say lefty kids, the parents were all pushing too.
[00:31:12]  And they made a point of come visit us on the weekends.
[00:31:15]  Oh, come to us.
[00:31:16]  We're here to embrace you and your newfound liberalism.
[00:31:20]  So I'm very, I'm kind of dramatic with this.
[00:31:22]  But anyway, so she came home and she would argue with us at the table about how women couldn't have bank accounts until the 1970s.
[00:31:30]  They couldn't have credit cards and they were under very pressured.
[00:31:34]  And I look at her and say, your victim mother picked you up and moved you to the Bahamas, got a job, supported you, sent you to private school, paid for your tennis lessons, paid for your figure skating.
[00:31:48]  What are you talking about?
[00:31:50]  My mother was, although legally married, she was a single parent who raised four children, one of them handicapped.
[00:31:55]  We have never, we went to girls' schools.
[00:31:58]  We've never experienced patriarchy.
[00:32:01]  I never even had to show a resume in my life.
[00:32:04]  You present yourself.
[00:32:06]  You're your own credibility.
[00:32:07]  There's no patriarchy.
[00:32:10]  And, you know, even, you know, I'd even worked in Wall Street for a little bit.
[00:32:14]  So this is crazy.
[00:32:16]  But she also, they did everything to keep blinders on.
[00:32:20]  They've given them buzz, they've given them tools to ignore any parental love, parental emotion, parental rules, your cultural rules, everything.
[00:32:33]  So even if she went to, say, church on, you know, candlelight service for Christmas Eve, something that's beautiful, even if you're not religious, everybody loves to do that, right?
[00:32:42]  Yep.
[00:32:43]  She did the look on the face was like, I will not concede.
[00:32:47]  I will not let it get into me.
[00:32:48]  It's not coming to me.
[00:32:50]  So when I say these are zombies, it's no different than what the Moonies were, which I knew from the airports when I would leave school in the late 70s, early 80s.
[00:33:01]  We've had two people on today's show that were like should not have ever listened to this program and would not be friendly per se to me and the things that I, but people, liberals, this is why I keep saying liberals and Democrats, you have to separate them.
[00:33:20]  They're not all just a block.
[00:33:22]  You have to separate them from the extreme leftists.
[00:33:26]  Those are the guys doing the damage.
[00:33:28]  I think there's a lot of liberals and a lot of Democrats that are walking amongst us, and they're either not awake or they don't want to wake up because they're kind of deep into it and they're like, I don't know what to do.
[00:33:40]  But once they wake up, they are on the Constitution side and common sense side.
[00:33:46]  So we're talking to Melinda Rockwell and your daughter, did you get her deprogrammed?
[00:33:52]  How did you do that?
[00:33:55]  This is what I did.
[00:33:56]  And I've got to say, my mother and my sister were vital because they assured me that I wasn't crazy.
[00:34:03]  As I would go, I was on the tennis team here in Palm Beach County.
[00:34:10]  And I would have tears coming out of my eyes.
[00:34:13]  And I could only say this to certain people.
[00:34:16]  And you've got a lot of people saying, your daughter's grown.
[00:34:19]  Leave her alone.
[00:34:20]  But my family, you know, validated everything and said, you've got to get help.
[00:34:24]  So I started with looking up every sort of deprogrammer, cultic, international cultic education, I think, studies, and speaking to the famous cult deprogrammers, the not-so-famous deprogrammers, getting as much information as I could.
[00:34:42]  And also dealing with another mother who we've known since kindergarten in New York, who was going through other issues with her daughter.
[00:34:49]  And they were all appeasing.
[00:34:51]  And most of them said, you must appease your children.
[00:34:55]  And I have to point out, I'm delicate with the words deprogrammer because it's getting out there, but it's not necessarily legal.
[00:35:04]  It's a very iffy, you can't just grab your child out of an actual cult.
[00:35:09]  Right.
[00:35:10]  You know, although Catherine Oxenberg, you know, is a heroine.
[00:35:14]  But you can't just do it.
[00:35:16]  And some of them are very careful.
[00:35:17]  And there's a wonderful lawyer, and he asked me not to actually mention his name, but he was very helpful.
[00:35:22]  And I see my old emails to him, and he referred me to two people.
[00:35:26]  But it's not really legal.
[00:35:28]  So, I mean, it also deprogrammer also is going to be twisted.
[00:35:34]  It already, they've already started, twisted into you're going to try to force your kids to be, you know, anti-LGBT or, you know, conservative.
[00:35:43]  No, I want my kids to critically think.
[00:35:47]  They can make any decision they want, but I do not want them bowing down to some ideology, any ideology.
[00:35:55]  I want them to critically think everything through.
[00:35:59]  And when they can do that, if they choose to, you know, go this path or that path, that's up to them.
[00:36:06]  Well, they've taken away the rights of parents.
[00:36:08]  And I could give you, you know, so many, I don't have to tell you the reasons, but I think I want to just interject quickly.
[00:36:16]  Do you realize that New York State, and parents don't realize this?
[00:36:19]  New York State has a law now that they're giving 13-year-olds medical rights to decide certain, including mental health laws for themselves.
[00:36:29]  And the doctors and the hospitals associated with them email people, email the parents and say, please supply us with your child's direct email now that they're 12 and over, because we will be dealing with them directly.
[00:36:41]  So in every last bit that they're trying to get rid of the parents, when they're saying you're trying to deprogram away from LGBT or anything like that, you know, again, I'm a child of studio 54.
[00:36:51]  I was underage, but I was there dancing.
[00:36:56]  I knew transvestites before everybody else knew them.
[00:36:58]  So this is a bunch of, you know, it's ridiculous.
[00:37:02]  This is, you know, my eye doctor was Renee Richards.
[00:37:05]  So, but, but you're fighting a wall of vicious, militant people that are surrounding your child.
[00:37:14]  So, yes, you're right.
[00:37:15]  They're saying it's, it's almost like what's not the reproduction, they're praying the gay away.
[00:37:20]  They have to pray the gay away.
[00:37:24]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:37:24]  In many states.
[00:37:25]  So, yes, and this is why it's a very legitimate.
[00:37:28]  But I did the research.
[00:37:29]  I even went so far as to go to the court records in Connecticut.
[00:37:33]  There was a case that was, I forget if it was a, it was some sort of cult, and I got the expert witness, one of the expert witnesses, out of that and contacted.
[00:37:43]  So it turned out that with all the information, and don't forget, there are definitely charlatans out of there out there.
[00:37:50]  Oh, you bet.
[00:37:50]  And even when I was trying to re-contact, trace my foot, speak to the people that I've spoken in 2015, I didn't get a call back from one.
[00:37:59]  And the secretary is saying, well, he's very, very busy, you know.
[00:38:02]  And I said, he's busy because my daughter has an article out.
[00:38:07]  You know, I would appreciate a phone call back.
[00:38:10]  Two of the ones that I consider charlatans did not return my recent calls.
[00:38:15]  The ones that are not asking for a lot of money, and I understand that you're in touch with one of them, those are the ones that I valued.
[00:38:24]  So, there was somebody eventually that was, but I did not do what most of them said.
[00:38:29]  They were saying it was if you can get daughters are easy to get back, if you can get them back, it usually takes about seven years to really get them back to normal.
[00:38:38]  And it did take about seven years for Annabella, she says, to really have her mind back.
[00:38:43]  And the answer to I'm putting my will on her is the appreciation and the thank you, mommy.
[00:38:50]  Thank you at this age, thank you for never giving up.
[00:38:55]  She is the most happy adult, she has a full life, it is fulfilling, she is giving she has a helpful life, but she is happy.
[00:39:06]  And to see this, um, what was the old girl that we sent her off at 18 come back, but even more appreciative because she was back from the dead, that is the answer.
[00:39:20]  Melinda, I have to thank you for what you're doing because I want to talk about one more thing before we run out of time and we're close.
[00:39:27]  Um, you're starting a foundation and uh website rockwellfoundation.org, and that's going to be up in February, right?

=== Research, Nieces, and the Rockwell Foundation (00:43) ===

[00:39:35]  And you'll have all of your research there.
[00:39:38]  Yes, I will.
[00:39:39]  And I have the research is not just on college at all because I have nieces and nephews.
[00:39:45]  I want to quickly add this: when my when a boy goes into a boys' school, traditional boys' school in New York City, and there's a man in a dress or skirt in a lower school assembly discussing consent without the parents' knowledge or permission, that was a trigger.
[00:40:06]  And so, I have, and that was from GLSEN Gleason, which was founded by Obama School Bar.
[00:40:12]  Right.
[00:40:12]  Said that the man-boy love was fine, right?
[00:40:15]  You'll have all of this and so much more.
[00:40:17]  I'd love to have her back.