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tim tompkins
Evening, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is Truism Timmy is back in the house.
rex jones
That's right.
It's Gray Area Episode 42 live, and super happy to be here with y'all today.
Thursday and Sunday are marquee shows where we go the hardest and we do the coolest stuff, usually involving a guest.
And it's great to be back with you, Tim.
tim tompkins
Let me explain to you guys real quick what's going on behind the scenes.
All right.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
I love everybody.
I love the show.
I love everything that we're doing with the show.
I specifically chose right now to go scale back and do two times a week on Thursdays and Sundays in order to hit the quality over quantity because there's a lot of stuff that I want to do behind the scenes in order to get this show to where it needs to be.
And in order to do that with everything else I'm doing, I'm trying to maximize my energy.
So instead of it just being Rex is still going live every single day, which is good.
He's keeping us going, keeping the show going.
But specifically for me, all the information days are going to be those Thursdays and Sundays.
Sundays, we're going to keep the guests coming in, keep the segments going.
And then I'm working off scene on some things specifically.
Right now, you guys don't know, but we aren't controlling anything.
rex jones
Right.
We got a switcher now.
tim tompkins
We got our boy Andrew in the back.
He's our Jamie.
If you guys have ever watched PBD podcast, he is now controlling everything behind the scenes.
I can see you guys the same way.
He's going to be screen sharing for us, switching all of the above.
And we do not have to do a single thing.
rex jones
No more fighting over the keyboard.
How nice is that?
And now we really get to streamline things and we can really be like machine gun with our information.
tim tompkins
100%.
rex jones
I think the thing that people don't realize about us is like they come and watch the show.
I know other people that stream and do shows have different jobs, right?
But me and Tim both have full-time jobs.
Like I'm running a business.
Tim is running a business.
Tim is also working.
Tim is also working doing this.
So we have to maximize the way we spend our time.
And for me, just classically being raised in a newsroom environment where people are always running around with headlines and stories and doing a news split style of show, it's very easy for me to do just a news roundup every day and keep like a pretty tight, pretty smooth two-hour where we can do like a 30-minute to 45-minute news coverage, maybe cover an exciting topic or a supplement topic.
And then I do maybe a call-in portion with you, the viewer.
But I want to keep that at two hours so that y'all can really maximize that time and we can get as many of y'all to do call-ins, to do debate streams possibly in the future.
But Thursday and Sunday is the marquee show.
And we do interviews here.
This is one of our big goals.
We're a tiny little show right now, but we're going to get really big and we're going to have the best guests.
And my goal is to have a show that had the caliber of guests as like a 2012 to 2015 InfoWars.
I want Gerald Salente.
I want Larry Johnson.
I want Lawrence Wilkerson.
I want Pepe Escobar.
I want these people to come on our show.
So the best thing you can do to support us is tune in whenever you want to tune in, of course, but follow Truism Tim on X, follow Gray Area Talks on X if you're new.
And if you're coming from YouTube, if you're already subscribed there, thank you.
And Due Dissidence was amazing.
tim tompkins
Yes.
Tell us about that.
He went on Dew Dissonance today, guys.
I had not known until I came here.
I'm like, what's going on?
rex jones
Those guys are my heroes.
And I was, I woke up today late.
I usually wake up around like six, uh, six-ish, maybe even earlier than that.
I woke up at like nine and it was on the couch and I had stayed up late watching the new Fallout series.
I'm just gonna be 100% honest.
And I was laying there.
I was like, don't I have something like really important that I've been really stressed out about?
You know how you get about things?
You like forget about it the night before your brain plays a trick on you to let you relax.
And then I was like, oh no, it's almost 10 a.m.
I'm uncaffeinated.
I'm getting off the couch.
I have to go take a shower.
I have to go to the gas station and get an energy drink and get ready to do this.
tim tompkins
Geared up.
rex jones
But they were so friendly.
They're really so based.
And it was just an honor to get to do that guest spot with them.
And I hope one day we might be able to do that maybe as a show together.
So, I think that would be really cool, but we have to earn it because those guys, they've put in a lot of work.
They've got 100K on YouTube, but that 100K is like every single one of those people.
They're dedicated fans.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the thing I'm, I'm just, I'm really loving the process of this, guys.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Um, there's a lot of things that you guys don't see, how much work we're putting in behind scenes.
Uh, now we've got Andrew who's part of our team that's really helping behind the scenes with our content, helping us produce now.
Um, so like everything I'm telling you, like we're locked in at this point.
And like I said, at a certain point, we're going to ramp back up and I will be coming back on more, but I'm trying to put systems in place.
That way, everything's running like a well-oided machine, and I'm not tired when I'm coming here in front of you guys.
That way, I can give you guys my maximum amount of energy because that's important for me too.
rex jones
Right.
And you coming into doing this, you had done some podcasting and some things before really doing like a prepared show at this level.
It's a new different thing, right?
Yeah.
Like, you're trying to optimize it as an engineer, you're trying to build a system as to where like we know these things months out in advance.
Like, we know our lineup, we know our schedule.
Yes is obviously a big thing, but obviously, for you, like the deep dives, right?
Being able to do even another level on top of what you've already been doing.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And with the deep dives, there's a lot of research that goes into that.
So, systemizing my research, how I'm doing that, how it plays into the show, how we're going to cover it live, how we're going to clip that up.
So, like, I'm trying to do all these things behind the scene because I want this to go as smooth as possible.
And a lot of the time, we've been struggling with the stream yard and going, having, you know, things pop up.
And we were like, we got audio failures left and right.
rex jones
Is this new or is it cursed?
tim tompkins
This is, this is still the cursed one.
rex jones
Oh, no.
tim tompkins
We, we will, this is the next, this is the next, uh, the next domino.
But that being said, with everything, um, I, I just, I'm like, I'm, I'm here, but I'm not fully here because I just spent another hour prior to this, like getting this stream to work perfectly.
So, if anything messes up tonight, you guys are guinea pigs, okay?
rex jones
Yeah, with the systems because I don't want to shut everyone showing up.
tim tompkins
I don't want to run this live on Sunday while we have our guests on and it just everything, you know, craps the bed.
But I appreciate every single one of you guys being here.
We're still going to give you guys a good show tonight.
Um, what right now, um, what was it like being on due dissidents?
I, you never really explained that.
rex jones
Well, I mean, they're just like my heroes, man.
Like, like, seriously, they do the type of show that I wanted to do.
They were one of the main reasons I came back is I was like, damn, like, this is just two guys doing this high level of a show.
And as a fan of independent media and broadcast media, this has always been something that I wanted to do myself.
I had home studios that I built and didn't use before, you know?
So they were a big contributing factor to getting me over the hump of wanting to do this again.
But like, there's inspiration to me, you know, they're inspiration.
And it was really cool to be on their broadcast.
And I don't know, they're just legends, you know?
tim tompkins
Yeah, he talks.
rex jones
I was just happy to be there.
tim tompkins
He talks a lot about them off-stream and on-stream.
So I know how big they are to him.
rex jones
Yeah, they're my favorites.
tim tompkins
And he's had me, I didn't know about them until he had me check out their videos, but he's sending me videos like he's a true fan.
He's not just capping.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And they do like, they do a, I want to say four hour, maybe sometimes it's more like a 3:30 sometimes like we do on a Sunday, right?
But they do like over four hour shows multiple times a week.
Russell is over on the other side of the planet.
He's over in Thailand right now watching like Muay Thai fights and then coming back at midnight to then sit and do a four hour show.
tim tompkins
That's insane.
rex jones
And then I do 70 minutes with them.
And that makes me like so tired that I have to go like lie down for the rest of the day, basically.
I was so excited.
The adrenaline dump.
And like these guys, like they're, they're true professionals.
tim tompkins
When did they start?
rex jones
I started really respecting.
tim tompkins
When did they start their journey?
rex jones
Around COVID, maybe a little earlier than that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, they've been in the game for a little bit.
rex jones
Like, I initially was a subscriber to them.
I watched like one of their videos very early on when they were like under 5K.
And then, you know, I just didn't watch for a while.
And I started watching really intensely back in like 22 or 23.
tim tompkins
Okay.
rex jones
And I really haven't stopped since then.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
So I think they do high-level shows.
They give great content to the level that we're trying to achieve as well in terms of our content too.
And I like how structured.
rex jones
Oh, the C-word hurts me.
Go ahead.
tim tompkins
But basically, Mr. Wick, I know you said something about: are we opening phones?
No, we're not opening the phones tonight.
Reason for that being is: I'm still trying to figure out this software to make sure that I can actually get the callers' audio onto the feed.
rex jones
Wait, that's you're the guy that always asks.
Yeah, Mr. Wick.
And then when we do it, you're like not on the stream.
Here's the thing: if you want to be on the call-in portion of the show, like I'll do a solo call in tomorrow.
I'm not sure when we'll do a group call in again, maybe Sunday, maybe the next Sunday, maybe the next Thursday.
If we say we're going to do it, then just be like, okay, and then come back to the stream in like an hour, and then we'll probably be doing it, right?
Isn't that the way that it usually ends up?
tim tompkins
Well, I know.
I think Mr. Wick watches all the way through and he just doesn't call in.
Maybe I could be wrong.
rex jones
I don't know.
It may be a running joke, but we respect you.
unidentified
We do respect.
We respect you.
rex jones
And I would like to talk to you.
So I'll do a call-in portion tomorrow if you're around if you want.
unidentified
Cool.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Sounds good.
So, yeah, we've got a good, I'm a lot of stuff going on today.
We're going to keep it educational, but we're also going to keep it light because, like I said, we've been troubleshooting a lot today.
But the main things that I've-oh, I've got, I don't have the slop in terms of the jokes, but I got the slop in terms of what's the daily news going on right now.
unidentified
Good, good.
tim tompkins
I got three things for you guys tonight.
I got something about Venezuela and how we've got the War Powers Act essentially being revoked from the Senate.
I guess it was going through the second hearing.
That's actually the final hearing, and two of the senators actually changed.
rex jones
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's Owl Killer.
My bad.
I mean, I didn't mean to disrespect you.
It's the YouTube name.
It messes it up.
tim tompkins
It does.
It does.
rex jones
I'm sorry, man.
tim tompkins
I think Owl Killer's called in a couple of times.
rex jones
He's called in more than a couple of times, several times, but go ahead, Tim.
unidentified
Sorry.
rex jones
I interrupted.
tim tompkins
I was wanting to clarify.
Yeah.
So with Venezuela, you've got basically Trump has got to be able to do whatever he wants out there.
That's the conclusion, but we'll get into more.
rex jones
Do we want to talk about this AP article?
Because that's pretty interesting.
Yeah, we want to.
tim tompkins
Well, we got, I'm just going to give you guys an overview first, and then we'll go into this stuff specifically.
We've got the UK and some other countries that are involved in banning Grok potentially.
Actually, a couple companies, a couple countries actually did this already because of the child nudity and the AI slop that you can be able to create nude images of minors as well as other people who are actually famous, which is a big problem because the deep fakes are an issue.
rex jones
Well, the thing is, you can go, Grok, put X in a bikini.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And like, like, like, how is that legal?
tim tompkins
You know, I wish I've been telling people this the whole time.
I'm like, AI should not be able to make copies of people who exist in real life.
rex jones
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing, though, is that they sign up to steal everything.
They try to steal your voice.
They get your biometric, your face, everything.
I think that's what it really, like, that's that's what we have to be against.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And when you see Joe Rogan on a YouTube ad saying that he promotes this thing and it looks like Joe Rogan sounds like Joe Rogan.
rex jones
Are you kidding?
That's on YouTube as well, not just Rome.
tim tompkins
They just started to crack down on them, but there was a good amount of time where I saw famous people.
I had to block them myself because I was tired of seeing these famous people pop up on my feed.
And I could tell that AI, but there are people, they were pretty good to where you, if you weren't paying attention, you would believe it.
rex jones
That's crazy.
taurean small
It is crazy.
rex jones
That's nuts.
tim tompkins
So these other countries are cracking down on Grok because Grok seems to be one of the most unhinged versions.
It might be a little targeted towards Elon, though, at the same time.
I'm not going to lie.
There's other platforms, maybe not as big as X, that are allowing you to do these crazy deep fakes.
There's also the ones where, have you seen people moving?
And then there's the person on top of it that has the full image of some AI and the AI is like moving the exact same way where you basically can create a deep fake that way.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
Crazy.
And then we've got the last piece of information that we'll be jumping on will be, what was it?
Oh, yes, It's about the insurance.
President Trump has now come out with his own version of like the Affordable Care Act and all of these rules.
I forget the name, but we'll pull up the exact name.
But it's basically he's, they've got they're, they're coming down to to, to crunch hours with the midterms, as well as some of these other things.
With the uh government shutdown, they had pushed everything back.
But he has to have a plan in place in order to figure out these Affordable Care Act situations.
And we did a deep dive.
Uh well, that's already happened right, the thing where everyone's deductible, or whatever it was, has the cliff yeah the, and i'll, and i'll re-explain that for people when we get to that segment.
But uh, let's start off at the top.
Um, since we already have this up, let's talk about Venezuela.
Uh Andrew, can you go ahead and pull that up?
We'll, we'll give him a second.
Uh, pull up that AP article describing the uh War Powers Act.
I mean sorry, the uh Venezuela situation.
Give us a second, guys.
rex jones
But um yeah i'm, i'm so tired.
tim tompkins
Oh, I can see it.
rex jones
I want to go bed.
tim tompkins
I can see it.
We'll keep this one short.
rex jones
We're good.
unidentified
We're good.
tim tompkins
But I'll be carrying the load right now.
Go ahead man, try not to stop.
rex jones
Take it away on stand locked in, as always.
tim tompkins
All right, so Venezuela war powers resolution fails in the Senate, as two Republicans bow to Trump's pressure.
Uh, let's go ahead and scroll down and look at that.
rex jones
Look at that nice new graphic we got reminds me of due dissonance.
tim tompkins
Come on now.
Come on now.
We don't play games here, all right.
So here's what you guys need to know.
Uh Senate Republicans voted to dismiss the war powers resolution on wednesday which would have limited uh president Donald Trump's ability to conduct further attacks on Venezuela.
After two Gop senators reversed course on supporting legislation.
Uh Trump has put intense pressure on five Republican senators who joined the Democrats in the advance of the resolution last week.
Ultimately, they prevailed.
Heading off to the passage of the legislation, two of the Republicans, uh senator Josh Ross Hawley of Missouri and Todd Young of Indiana, flipped under pressure.
rex jones
Dang.
Hawley flipped.
tim tompkins
He flipped, man.
unidentified
Wow.
tim tompkins
JD Vance had the break, the 50-50 deadlock on the Senate.
rex jones
That's the real, like, people say the VP doesn't have like, oh, it's the vice president.
What does that mean?
Anyway, the fact that he like presides over the Senate and has the tiebreaking vote, that's a huge deal.
tim tompkins
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
100%.
And that is one of the biggest things about the VP is that is his ability to actually show, you know, he can have the final vote.
But other than that, if it's never split, then he really doesn't anything.
He doesn't do anything besides like proceed with the whole like, this is our, well, he's the head of the set of the Senate.
So he just talks as the head.
Go ahead and scroll down a little bit more.
The outcome of the high-profile vote demonstrated how Trump still has command over much of the Republican conference, yet the razor-thin vote tally also showed the growing concern on Capitol Hill over presidents' aggressive foreign policy ambitions.
Okay, you can cut back to us.
And what's your thought on this, man?
rex jones
Well, so let's go back to the top.
Let's scroll back to the top of the article real quick.
So it's Josh Hawley and Todd Young.
I'm not sure if I recognize Todd Young, but I definitely know of Josh Hawley.
And Josh Hawley is one of those people, like, you know, people are, oh, he's based.
I like him or something like that, right?
But ultimately, like, you're part of the party.
And this is why ultimately the party is the problem is because they'll all toe the party line.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
So, I mean, this is what we've been talking about.
It's like, it's not going to stop.
And like, we have a position.
I have a position at least against it.
I don't want to speak as to what Tim believes, but like the fact that the fact of the matter is, we don't really have a choice in the system right now.
tim tompkins
No, here's the thing.
This is all show.
As I told you guys last time, even if these Republicans were to go ahead and do this thing, right?
It would have stopped either at the House or it would have stopped at the executive branch where they would have done an actual veto, which would have sent this back to the House.
And then you need a two-thirds majority out of both the Senate and the House in order to actually get this resolution passed.
And they didn't have the two-thirds in the Senate to begin with.
rex jones
When did the whole Maduro kidnapping thing happen?
What was the date on that?
Because I was deer hunting, right?
tim tompkins
Before the sixth, I think.
Sorry to put you on the calendar here.
I believe the Maduro thing happened somewhere.
It was on the third or the fourth.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
So essentially, they have like whatever it is.
It's a 60-day timer running where like they have infinite military operations they can run.
Or is the 60-day thing just completely out the window and none of it's war and you can do whatever?
So the 60-day, you know what I'm talking about, right?
tim tompkins
Yeah, we're talking about the War Powers Act itself.
Right now, we don't have boots on the ground in Venezuela.
rex jones
So that means it's not war.
tim tompkins
So technically, it's not war.
We're just positioning things outside of it.
rex jones
That's crazy.
tim tompkins
So if we had a military operation, we were in there for longer than 60 days, then you have another 30 days after the 60 to actually withdraw the troops totaling for that 90-day period.
Right.
So, I mean, look, it's just, I don't know.
rex jones
Do you think that we go back in there or do anything?
tim tompkins
Oh, we're going back.
rex jones
You think so?
Because the Chavista government is still in place, right?
Like that, that lady, the VP who wants Maduro free, like she's operating as the president.
Is that not true?
tim tompkins
Yes, but I don't know.
I haven't seen anything about whether they're cooperating or not.
I need to do a little bit more research into it.
rex jones
But you think their time is short.
tim tompkins
Yeah, we're going to run it.
It's so clear today.
rex jones
It's like it takes our oil.
tim tompkins
It's not theirs.
Does it say Venezuela on it?
No, I think it says USA.
USA.
rex jones
Someone should make a political cartoon of Trump as a baby in a bathtub and he has like the oil tankers.
He's please playing with them.
You know, because that's essentially what's going on.
tim tompkins
Oh my God.
Dude, I had the, we, uh, towards the end of this, uh, I should probably pull up the um, I did a congregation of the best uh Maduro Trump memes.
rex jones
Oh, nice.
tim tompkins
The funny things about AI.
This is where I support AI, but all the other stuff, not so much.
Yeah.
So with this war powers resolution being restricted, I mean, it really did come from Trump.
I mean, Andrew, can you go ahead and pull up the well, actually, let's watch the 50-50 vote with there's an X clip with JD Vance on it.
Let's pull that up so people can watch what happened live.
But yeah, I mean, this is really the only time that the VP is actually in control of something when it comes to a vote.
Other than that, he just moves proceedings around and tells people, all right, Senate is adjourned, senators began, that type of stuff.
So let's go ahead and show this video.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Okay.
jd vance
On this vote, the yays are 50, the nays are 50.
The Senate being equally divided, the vice president votes.
tim tompkins
And he's like, has to sit here and figure it out.
jd vance
Affirmative.
And the point of order is sustained.
tim tompkins
That's how happy he looks.
Pause it.
unidentified
Of course.
tim tompkins
Plauset.
rex jones
Of course.
tim tompkins
You can cut back to us.
rex jones
They're getting what they want.
tim tompkins
You know, he just got that nice, like, smug look on his face.
He's like, ah, you know, we did this, guys.
And at the end of the day, like, for him, he's just following what Trump wants, right?
Like, it's not him who's doing this.
It's all what the Republican Trump-run government wants to do with that.
So, look, it was going to fail one way or another.
You as an American citizen are just like me, and we get to just sit here with our bag of popcorn and just watch it all happen.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
But the bag of popcorn is getting more expensive.
That's a good point.
That's what we're doing.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that bag of popcorn is no longer $2.
Give me $8.
rex jones
I like it from the perspective of, okay, we can put 15% of the entire U.S. fleet off the coast.
And I don't know if you need all that for the operation they ran.
Maybe you do, but the cost on that is like just under a billion a day to something like that.
To do it.
tim tompkins
Well, we've also moved some of those assets from there over to Iran now.
So imagine how much that costs.
rex jones
That's a lot of money.
tim tompkins
And then CENTCOM is the region that's out of Qatar, which is like the central command for the Middle East in that area.
That's where they're building up their assets.
You've also, we've got assets in Kuwait.
We've got bases in Iran, no, Iraq.
And then obviously we have Israel as well.
rex jones
Right.
Because we rely on the like, I guess supplicancy would be a good word.
There are supplicant nations, Jordan and Iraq.
Israel, they don't have real like ground-based missile technology that's not nuclear.
What they do is they put things on planes and they fly them over the airspace and they launch them at Iran.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
So that's what you're dealing with.
tim tompkins
And Andrew, go ahead and pull up this, what Trump had actually said about these Republicans because they fell under pressure.
I can't even blame them because there's nothing they can do.
Right.
Because it wasn't just Trump saying, hey, let's do this and you guys will be fine.
No, he's like, you're probably going to have a lot of issues after here, buddy, if you don't do what we say we want.
rex jones
It's a mafia.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And then also there was some like talk about how what was it?
rex jones
We got a tweet.
Republicans should be ashamed of the senators that just voted with the Democrats attempting to take away our powers to fight and defend the United States of America.
Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Red Paul, Judge Howley, and Todd Young should never be elected to office again.
tim tompkins
So they caved after this?
This was, I think, on the 8th or the, or the, yeah, it was sometime on the 8th, but there's more conversations behind scenes that we're not seeing.
This is what he did publicly.
We didn't see what he did behind it.
rex jones
True, but you really, I think with Trump, I think you really are able to peer into the situation a little bit because he'll tell you, right?
And he'll tell you in like a braggadocious, false way, but you can, you can, like, there's a nugget in there, you know, like he's asserting his authority here.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
And it's crazy to me if they still went along with it after this tweet because like he's already decided he's against you.
Why would you then renege on what you're saying?
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
100%.
tim tompkins
And so did you read all of that?
rex jones
I'll read the rest of it.
This vote greatly hampers American self-defense and national security, impeding the president's authority as commander-in-chief.
In any event, and despite their stupidity, the War Powers Act is unconstitutional, totally violating Article 2 of the Constitution, as all presidents and their departments of justice have determined before me.
Nevertheless, a more important Senate vote will be taking place next week on this very subject.
tim tompkins
So he definitely talked to them prior to this vote.
Like there's no doubt about that.
Also, they said something about like Rubio and some other people assured that like U.S. wouldn't keep boots on the ground and do all these extra military things as promises.
I think that's where the fluff is.
I don't think that there's no validity to that in my mind.
I think the main thing was like, look, we're going to do stuff to you.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
Either that, they're going to go after their family.
They're going to make sure like they never have a career anymore.
There's all different types of things.
rex jones
The thing is, and it's like the bully pulpit, as Roosevelt talked about, that's what Trump has essentially.
That's why he has his own social media of Truth Social, right?
Is because that really important Republican base of people that still really care about what Donald Trump says, he can just go on True Social and take away like 30, 40% of someone's support.
Like just with one tweet.
And then oftentimes he doesn't even just do that.
If he comes out against you, not only is he going to attack you in that way, he's going to introduce someone to run against you who's worth or has been given a ton of money.
That's what we see with Thomas Massey, right?
He's got, of course, like the perfect straight from central casting, which is something that Trump likes to say.
He said it many times.
It's like a Green Beret guy, Army guy, family guy, farmer guy, all the things you want, right?
But oh, you know, Miriam Edelson, giving him a ton of money.
Like, what's up with that?
So like he, he, he rules now.
He rules the Republican Party and it's his.
And I think that's a deal that he took.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
That's that Reagan deal.
tim tompkins
So let's go ahead and pull up that last video you got there, Andrew, and kind of what the news is saying about this.
Man, I love this idea.
unidentified
And you are looking live at the Senate floor where lawmakers are preparing to vote on a resolution that would limit President Trump's military action in Venezuela.
It initially appeared enough Republicans were ready to support the bill, but now it's expected to fail.
And Torian Small joins us from Capitol Hill with an explanation as to why that may be.
Torian, walk us through this.
The motion to advance to final consideration of this bill, a key procedural hurdle, as they say in print, passed last week, 52 votes, which meant five Republicans are joining the Democrats.
Now it sounds like at least some of those Republicans are going to vote with GOP leadership to set this aside for now, at least.
Not necessarily kill it, but stuff it in a drawer somewhere until a later day.
taurean small
Yeah, I mean, let's go back to that initial vote.
Reason why this only required a simple majority is because this war powers resolution was fallen or put under the category of a privileged resolution, meaning that it only required a simple majority.
Now we're seeing that there's this effort by Republican leadership, in addition to helping the president and to sway the minds of those five Republicans to put forth a point of order that would change that designation from a privileged point.
The leader in John Thune saying that the reason why for this change in his mind is because there are no ongoing hostilities.
Senator Josh Hawley was one of those five who was quite surprising in his support for that resolution with Democrats.
The reason why is because he said he wanted this to be a prospective move.
He didn't want the administration to move forward, even though he supported the president's previous actions.
He didn't want it to move forward with even more hostilities without the approval of Congress.
He told us during this week that he's had conversations with the president and members of the administration.
They gave him guarantees that there will be no boots on the ground in Venezuela.
That is enough in his mind to support this point of order.
The problem though is they'll need to get one other Republican that previously defected from the party to change their minds.
That could be.
tim tompkins
Yeah, you can cut back to us.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is just another day, another dollar.
rex jones
I like the perspective of us promising people, whether there are people or other people, that we're not going to do something.
Oh, there's not going to be boots on the ground.
It's like when we had the Hamas people go to Doha to negotiate and then the Israeli missile comes in.
It's like, oh, we don't know what happened.
It's not our fault.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I can't really fully trust the word.
rex jones
But I guess that's just the game of politics, right?
I guess that's why it's hard, I guess, impossible to have that job, at least the way it's set up now.
And I think like we're witnessing an imperial presidency.
tim tompkins
Imagine how much distrust people have for each other, like in the White House, not even just the White House, but just like Congress and the entire, like that entire sector.
Everybody's got knives behind their backs and they're like, oh, we love you.
We're going to do these things and we're going to do that.
And it's like, right.
rex jones
I think the White House, there are a couple factions.
I agree with you, but I think they're lockstep.
I think that's why you're seeing so much stuff happen, especially on the military front.
Like I think Trump is really in love with the idea of being the guy that is the commander in chief and has the weapons.
And that was the original liberal critique of Trump back in like 2016, right?
It's like, you don't want this guy to have the nukes, do you?
Do you want this guy?
Whereas the argument back then against that was like, well, Hillary Clinton like openly wants war and has regime changed and killed several nations.
So we're going to take the Riverboat Casino captain as a better option.
Right.
But it turns out, you know, maybe that was a better choice then.
100%.
tim tompkins
And the thing is, would you rather, though, like here, let's do a little thought experiment.
And guys in the comment, you guys can chime in.
Would you rather have Biden at this point or would you rather have Trump?
This is a tough question.
Just rewind your memory.
Rewind your memory because, again, we had trauma when it came to the Ukraine situation and all the inflation, right?
rex jones
The thing is, is Trump is deporting people.
Trump is not necessarily going to take everyone's guns immediately.
Trump is, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of some positives to the whole thing.
I look at it as accelerationism in the worst degree.
And I look at the administration, what they chiefly promised to do was no more wars.
And all it is is more wars.
Like the MAGA hat should say more wars on it.
tim tompkins
Well, we got New Greper saying they're the same person at this point.
You got Kennedy saying Trump.
You know, for me, you know, this is one of the things I asked for.
But you know how like you do the genie in the bottle and it's monkey pod.
rex jones
It's grants you want.
tim tompkins
It grants you your wish, but you're like, no, this isn't what I wanted.
Because when I remember explicitly and very vividly what I had said at that time.
I'm like, I'm talking to my friends.
I'm like, look, Biden has no backbone.
This war and Russia and all these things wouldn't happen if we just had a strong president that would just go out there and fight for America and just basically put his foot down and just basically become the man.
Well, Trump is kind of the man right now in terms of the world.
Now, that doesn't mean that he's not hated, but at the end of the day, like he's, he's playing tough.
I mean, taking somebody's president right out of their, right out of their freaking White House, can't get any badass than that, especially after it was just a three-hour operation.
rex jones
We got trans Tim Kennedy who says Biden was not the one running the country.
I agree with that.
I'd say much the same with Trump, right?
Like the critique of Trump has always been not necessarily of what he does as commander-in-chief.
It's what he does by appointing these people, right?
Like Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi.
Great examples.
Verse term, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Jeff Sessions, all these fun people who everyone knows are like the worst people around, the worst people on earth.
But it's like, oh, no, I've got to have him in my administration.
I've got to make him like me somehow.
tim tompkins
Well, they were his loyalists at that point, right?
rex jones
You see the modern cabinet, and you've got people that are, I'd say there's two camps.
They're the true Trump loyalists, and that's like a JD Vance.
That's like the press secretary girl.
That's like an RFK.
Maybe it's like a Gabbard.
They shut her out.
I'll get to that in a little bit.
And then you have the Mike Walls, and then you have the Marco Rubio.
And then you have the, and then you have Pam Bondi.
Then you have Kash Patel and others like that.
And those people are just like creatures of the swamp.
tim tompkins
Why?
Okay, before like Rubio got into his position, was he running for Republican position?
Was he running for presidency at one point?
Or am I just like blanking out?
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
So the Republican field in 2016 was very wide and included people like Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, of course, we all remember John Kasich and Lindsey Graham was initially running at the very beginning.
He dropped out super early, super early.
tim tompkins
And keep in mind, he was one of the original never was Cruz in that one too, right?
rex jones
Yes.
Ted Cruz was the one that really went up against Trump.
And Trump said his wife is a dog.
And Lion Ted, that's where that comes from.
Lion Ted is his nickname.
See, they're all friends now.
Isn't that nice?
tim tompkins
Because he's not going against.
You don't go against me.
We're friends.
If you go against me, you're my mortal enemy.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
Well, I mean, and ultimately, the thing is, this is what I believe about Trump.
This is my personal theory.
I think that he just has a pathological need to be liked.
And he's like, I've already got the admiration of the masses.
I want to make the people that are powerful like me too.
And I think that's his weakness.
I think that was.
tim tompkins
Don't you think it's backwards?
rex jones
Explain.
tim tompkins
Like, well, wait, are you saying now or now or then?
rex jones
Always.
tim tompkins
I don't think he has the people behind him now.
I think he has the people in power behind him.
rex jones
That's what I'm, oh, yeah.
That's what I'm referring to.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Establishment.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
You had it backwards because you said the people.
I'm like, I have the people.
rex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
I'm referring to his, I'm referring to his click.
tim tompkins
Okay, cool.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And so Thomas Backfire says, at least with Biden, everyone would be together in trying to find out the corruption instead of what we got, which is a total slot for the people like Cat Turd.
rex jones
Yes, I agree with that from a certain point of view.
tim tompkins
Wait, what do you mean by find out corruption?
Because I don't think they were digging with Biden.
rex jones
He's talking about people like on the right or independent wing that were upset about like COVID policy and inflation stuff.
And people, people were like, some of Infowars' best work is 2020 to 2024.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
But leading into Trump, a lot of people just got so excited and high on hopium and thought that he was the great emperor that would rule for a thousand years, myself included, by the way.
And then it's kind of been a buyer's remorse thing where like people, some people haven't been able to throw it away.
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
So, and like, I get it.
I, it's like, oh, this thing, he did a thing you might like.
And it's like, yeah, but like the degradation on the world stage, the continued degradation of our economy, the taxes on us, ultimately, tariffs are a tax on us that we pay.
And all of it, altogether, the military interventions, the violations of international law, what I believe to be genocidal campaigns waged in the Middle East and in Ukraine.
I just like, he said he would stop all this stuff.
It's, it's not like you have a guy like Biden or Kamala who goes like, I'm going to make the world sunshine and rainbows and everyone's going to raise their hand to ask you questions.
Like, you know what I'm talking about?
He promised real results and real change.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, like, seriously, though.
tim tompkins
I mean, low-key, though, that is the Democrat Kumbaya thing.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
But I, but I think that, okay, on the outside facing, whether or not they do it or not, and don't call me a libtard for this, guys, but like on the outside facing for other countries, even though that's what people want to hear and you may not do it, you at least got to give people what they want to hear so that there's a fantasy painted.
At least so you don't make everybody pissed off.
You know, if we got to live, if we've got to live in the matrix, at least lie to me, right?
Make me feel good.
rex jones
Make me the Cyrus argument.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Make me feel good.
Don't sit here and try to do all this stuff and make me feel worse when I already know inflation's out of control.
rex jones
And you wake up, you wake up and you have Trump peeing on you.
And he goes, it's really in your roof.
You're like, no, like, that's how people like Catcher behave, you know?
And like, look, it is what it is.
That's why we're doing the show is because we're not part of the football team of the left-right paradigm.
We're just here like having opinions, having questions, and trying to talk to people.
tim tompkins
Well, I mean, the problem with Biden, right?
And somebody said it wasn't him running.
It really wasn't.
I think it came out later that he had like prostate cancer and he was dealing with like basically dementia at this point.
rex jones
Basically dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And I watched a video or a couple videos on somebody who was like one of the major donors for the Democrats who knew inside information, was talking to people.
And she said somebody, the PBD asked her a really good question.
He was like, well, who's the one running it?
And she was like, it's Jill and Kamala.
Those were the two people that she clearly pointed to.
Now, whether there's validity to that, maybe or not, maybe not.
rex jones
No, I believe it.
I mean, ultimately with Biden, I think his Secretary of State was Anthony Blinken.
Am I?
I'm thinking of.
tim tompkins
No, it was Blinken.
rex jones
No, I think I'm thinking of like, isn't that the British guy who's going to be like the governor of like Gaza or something?
tim tompkins
No, somebody in the chat.
rex jones
Damn, I'm getting my world leaders mixed up because I'm tired.
tim tompkins
There's a lot of people.
rex jones
Sorry.
Yeah, but I think it was.
tim tompkins
No, it was Blinken.
rex jones
Yeah, it is Anthony Blinken.
Biden had people like that.
I think they were really running the show.
Biden had, man, who is his?
We need to look at his cabinet really quick.
Who is his chief of staff, Tim?
tim tompkins
I got you.
rex jones
It's got to be like this is this is going to be good.
This is going to be interesting.
tim tompkins
You want his whole cabinet?
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Yeah.
Let's see what's going on.
Because we've forgotten.
It's like memory hold because it's Trump.
It's traumatizing.
tim tompkins
Trumpetizing.
Trumpetizing, baby.
rex jones
And the thing with Trump is like, he generated genuine hope.
And then for me, at least that hope has gone away.
The thing with Biden is like, there was no hope.
It was Dark Brandon.
You know, the meme with the laser eyes.
Like, that was, that's literally what it was.
tim tompkins
I thought it was the end of the world when he was running the country.
rex jones
Yeah, Anthony Blink.
tim tompkins
Okay, so yeah, Anthony Blinken was Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury.
I don't really care about that.
Secretary of Defense was Lloyd Austin.
rex jones
That was the black dude that got prostate cancer.
That's who.
tim tompkins
I was just saying, I didn't hear much about him, to be honest.
For his Attorney General, Merrick Garland.
Why are these people not as well known as Trump's current?
rex jones
Well, interesting point.
So do you know who Merrick Garland is?
tim tompkins
Barely, dude.
rex jones
Okay, so Obama tried to appoint him to the Supreme Court and the Republicans blocked it.
And there's kind of was like a debt to him owed or seen.
So when Biden got in power, he couldn't appoint him to the Supreme Court because at that point, RBG or Ruth Bader Ginsburg hadn't died or dropped out or whatever.
tim tompkins
She didn't croak.
rex jones
She didn't croak yet.
So he got the attorney general position and he was rabid.
And he was the one, like there was a lot of like they were, FBI was investigating people at school board meetings and stuff like that.
And he was responsible for that.
tim tompkins
Oh, okay.
No, that's ringing a bell.
And it's so weird because instead of picking people who are qualified, shouldn't you pick the person who actually has merit and should actually be in position?
The fact that he felt entitled that because I didn't get in this position of Supreme Court, that now I suddenly know everything about, what is it?
He was a new DOJ.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fine.
It's still kind of similar where you know the law.
rex jones
The thing is, the point with that I was trying to make is it's all like, hey, man, like you're part of Washington, man.
Like they owe you something, man.
Get it in 10 years.
Like, promise.
And that's the game, right?
tim tompkins
Just wait your turn.
rex jones
And that's how things really go down.
And that's how appointments really get made.
It's not based on who you vote for.
It's like, oh, they're going to implement their agenda.
It's like, no, like, we owe a favor to this guy, that guy, and the other guy.
I got to.
unidentified
How?
rex jones
That Michael Rubio, they're going to kill me in my bed if he's VP.
I got to make him Secretary of State.
tim tompkins
And how the hell?
Yeah, you know what?
You're right.
How did Pete Budige get into Secretary of Transportation?
rex jones
He's owed a favor, man.
tim tompkins
Please tell me he was running for the Democrats in the primary.
rex jones
Yeah, the Democrats in 2020 had a field that was similar to the Republican field in 2016, where you just had a ton of people running.
You had a bunch of like no names, and then you had a bunch of like severe mids.
And then you had like Biden, Kamala, Warren.
Did Bernie run in 2020?
I think he did, too.
unidentified
I think so.
I think he ran.
tim tompkins
I think he did.
No, wait, no.
I think he ran back in 2016.
rex jones
I think he ran twice.
I bet I'm right.
tim tompkins
On the primary?
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
I think I'm right, man.
tim tompkins
I don't think he made it as far the second time now that I'm remembering it.
rex jones
Well, it's always been a coordinate effort on the Democrat side to take him out.
And ultimately, the people that get like still, like, I think Budige got like 3% to 5% or whatever.
And they go, look, we're going to attack this guy so Biden can get the nomination.
If you're in, and for that, we'll put you in the cabinet.
Okay, sure.
Let's go.
unidentified
Let's go.
rex jones
That's literally what it is.
tim tompkins
Right.
And so, like, with all this being said, you know, it doesn't seem like, you know, there's any wins.
We have yet to see with this whole situation with the Trump's new Affordable Care Act, which let's go ahead and pull this up, Andrew.
rex jones
It's Trump care.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
Let's pull up the first video of Trump sitting at the table.
And I think he's just sitting there giving a speech for his little affordable care.
Yeah, that one.
Let's go ahead and pull this one up.
unidentified
All right.
donald j trump
Today I'm thrilled to announce my plan to lower health care prices for all Americans and truly make healthcare affordable again.
We're doing things that nobody's ever been able to do.
We're calling it the Great Healthcare Plan.
Instead of putting the needs of big corporations and special interests first, our plan finally puts you first and puts more money in your pocket.
The government is going to pay the money directly to you.
It goes to you, and then you take the money and buy your own health care.
Nobody's ever heard of that before, and that's the way it is.
The big insurance companies lose and the people of our country win.
This proposal locks in the massive discounts on prescription drugs that my administration is achieving through our most favored nation drug pricing agreement.
Now, when you hear about that, for 40 years, they've been trying to do it, but they never were able to do it.
No other president was able to do it.
I got every other country to approve it.
tim tompkins
Yeah, no, keep it on here, but okay.
So he's kind of right.
When Obamacare came out, very difficult situation because prior to Obamacare coming out, there was nothing.
I mean, it used to be that private companies would actually provide health care for the people and they would, there was a lot more benefits for the people just from the private sector.
And then at certain points, it became too expensive for these companies, especially the small businesses that didn't have like giant bankrolls of payroll for people to actually keep those.
So they kept like chopping different things and giving like basically shitty insurance.
And then eventually got to the point where you had like some crazy number, I think 40 million or some crazy number about the number of people that were underinsured.
It was some astronomical amount, right?
And then at that point, Obama comes in 2012 and he's like, all right, this is what my plan is.
And then that's where you get Obamacare.
And so like Obamacare, like there was a lot of problems with Obamacare to begin with.
I mean, they didn't have a real strategy for like long-term what would happen.
They kind of just did, you know, kick the can down the road situation.
So now, you know, the Democrats, what they would argue at that point was like, the Republicans, you guys have no other plan.
What's your plan to replace Obamacare?
And to their credit, the Republicans had no clue.
They had absolutely no clue how to actually replace it because this was better than nothing because it was at least providing subsidies, but it was actually expensive at the cost of the government and causing our debt to go up.
rex jones
Well, ultimately, they had to do something because in 2026, I think for a lot of families, it goes up like several thousands of dollars, right?
Yeah.
What you have to pay.
So they got to do something.
tim tompkins
So yeah, what I was talking about was 2012.
And then he's talking about for 40 years, nobody's had a solution.
And he's right.
No one's really had a solution.
Why?
I don't know why 40.
40 seems like a big number.
rex jones
People just need to not get sick anymore.
And they need to be healthy and eat a carrot.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
No, you're right.
And we did cover that in the deep dive that I did.
Go ahead and play the video and then I'll cover what Rex just said too.
donald j trump
By the use of tariffs and other things, they all approved it.
Nobody else got it.
No other president got it.
And for the most part, they didn't even try because they felt it was impossible.
It'll bring down drug prices 80, 90% in some cases, just numbers that nobody's ever heard of before.
Your prescription drugs will come way, way down.
And under this policy, the prices of many drugs will be slashed by 300, 400, and even 500% starting this month at the trumprx.gov.
So instead of Americans paying the highest drug prices in the world, which we have for decades, we will now be paying the lowest cost paid by any other nation.
So any other nation that's paying the lowest cost, that's what we're going to pay.
And the American people will get the savings.
So I have to reiterate, the lowest price in the world is what you're going to pay.
Before you were paying the highest price in the world by far, and the politicians did nothing about it.
So I'm asking Congress to complete the work that we've started.
Next, my plan would reduce your insurance premiums by stopping government payoffs to big insurance companies and sending that money directly to the people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Paying the lowest.
You know, it sounds good on paper, but in reality, like not every country's currency and purchasing power is the same.
So like not to say that the private sector hasn't been grifting the hell out of this, right?
But there's a reason why each country pays slightly different because you have to account for purchasing power.
rex jones
The thing is, ultimately, though, through our FDA and other such instruments, we are the ones that pay for all this developmental research to be done with our tax dollars.
And something I learned from reading RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is that I think like 75% of the funding for groups like FDA and other such regulatory bodies is given to them by pharma.
tim tompkins
Yep.
rex jones
So it's a very interesting situation we have here where we're the ones that invent these drugs and then export them everywhere and then we pay more.
So I do want to see a price go down.
That would be a good thing.
But necessarily, is this talking about someone needing an operation?
Is this talking about someone eating long-term care?
This is just, hey, you know, you take a pill or two or three and it's going to be cheaper on me.
You know, Trump.
unidentified
Hey, we got to get a shirt with that.
rex jones
Yeah.
donald j trump
A pill or two or three.
tim tompkins
It's going to be cheaper on me.
rex jones
Seriously.
tim tompkins
So go ahead and play.
donald j trump
Obamacare was designed to make insurance companies rich.
I call it the Unaffordable Care Act with billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies that help their stock prices skyrocket over 1,700% as you paid more money for health care every single year.
More and more.
The premiums went higher and higher.
I want to end this flagrant scam and put extra money straight into the healthcare savings account in your name.
And you go out and buy your own health care and you'll make a great deal.
You get better health care for less money.
That way you can choose the care that is right for your family to further reduce insurance premiums.
My plan ends the giant kickbacks to insurance brokers and corporate middlemen that only drive up the costs.
And that's what they're intended to do, drive up the cost.
But we're driving down the cost.
tim tompkins
You can cut back to us.
Now he's just yapping.
I'll break it down for you guys.
He's saying a lot, doing a lot, but is it feasible?
We have yet to see.
So what he is saying specifically around this is, all right, give the money to the people, not the insurance companies.
So instead of the government spending the money on the subsidies, and a subsidy is basically the government paying the insurance company on your premium to make the cost of whatever drug cheaper.
So it's just basically like a copay where the government is making it, is paying that other half for you.
And sometimes, depending on the percentage that you are on the poverty level, that subsidy is bigger or smaller.
And then to Rex's point with this whole thing, the reason why this is even happening, guys, is I think the 19th or the 20th, the whole, do you guys remember when the government shut down for like 40 something days, 41, 42?
Is that, I think that's the number, right?
This is the government shutdown coming back again because all they did was pass a resolution in order to push this to actually be voted on on the 20th of January.
So now, during that time period, remember, I covered this in a deep dive a really long time ago, but I'll do a quick recap.
The primary reason why the government was shut down was because the Democrats and Republicans could not agree on this one issue, and it was the Affordable Care Act that Trump is talking about right now, aka Obamacare.
Again, during that time period, there were subsidies that were in place during Obamacare.
Then Biden comes in 2020, right?
And then when COVID happened, he's like, we got to do something for the American people.
Then he's like, all right, what we'll do is we'll give a bigger subsidy to the people, as well as, I wish I really had the screenshot because it's a lot easier if I show the screenshot.
But long story short, there's like percentages above the poverty line.
Okay.
And at a certain percentage, at a certain percentage above the poverty line, 400% was like the maximum, which was like, I think the poverty line was like 20,000 or 30,000.
And then 400% of that is like you're making household income of like 94,000 or something like that.
Wow.
Doesn't really matter what the number is, but let's say at 94,000, when Obamacare went in place, they said there was what you call a cliff.
As soon as you made more than $94,000, if that was 400%, as soon as you made $94,001, all your subsidies go away.
Gone.
So what Biden did was like, okay, we can't have this cliff.
What he did was create like almost like a nice slow drop off.
Or actually he removed the cliff entirely and said, okay, we'll just, yeah, yeah, that's what he did.
He removed the cliff entirely and basically said, okay, anyone above that 400% will still get a subsidy if you need it.
And so that's what they were talking about.
Now he only did that until the end of 2026 in the law that he wrote for that.
He said, all right, that rule that I'm putting in place to help the American people ends on December 31st.
And then you saw in December and November, all of these Republicans and Democrats fighting and specifically the Democrats are like, you go out there.
They're going to raise your health care.
You can't do that.
But really, it was a provision in place for that to fall off.
So what they wanted to do as the Democrats, they were like, all right, look, we got to extend the health care.
And then the Republicans were like, oh, hold on.
We're already spending a bunch of money.
And this was like their sticking point because they want to do it for the American people.
They're like, well, we created those.
We got all these different things.
We got to get the money up.
We got to make sure we're saving money and we can't keep paying these insurance companies because you're not addressing the problem.
Do you remember this?
I do.
So long story short, this is what the debate was about.
So now we get to this situation where they said, all right, we're going to extend and just keep things where they're at until the 20th.
And now Trump feels like he's got to get a win before that happens.
And so what you're seeing here is, you know, he's saying, all right, we're going to go after the drug price middleman, which, you know, the plan targets the PBMs, which is the guys who negotiate behind the scenes the rebates that like the that and they can raise the drugs for patients.
And then he's saying, all right, we're going to be forcing insurance agencies to be more transparent.
So insurance insurance agencies will be required to explain plans in plain English and show how much a premium goes up and how much it, how much it costs for care, as well as like how they publish their claim dental records.
And then they're also going to try to expand the health savings accounts, which are HSA, which basically people can put pre-tax dollars into an account so that they're not getting taxed on this thing where they can actually pay for their insurance for their health care problems.
And then I think the last part of the provision is he wants the continued hospital price transparency rules where it builds from his first term where he wants the hospitals and insurers to show prices upfront.
Now, that's not too bad, right?
Like, I don't see any issue with this.
rex jones
Well, I don't know.
Healthcare is always going to be screwed up.
They're never going to fix it.
We need a whole new system.
Everything you're talking about, the complexities of it, the intricacies of it all, it's all just like the insurance, the middleman.
It's just like, why?
tim tompkins
Do you remember that video we watched where it showed how they were priced?
And you were like, damn, that's how they do it.
Right.
Because the government wasn't deciding the prices the companies were.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And that's how our medical system works.
And I raised that point.
Excuse me.
I raised that point on due dissonance today because when we found that out, that's why we do the deep dives.
That's why we look into these things.
Why I enjoy going through it with you?
It's like, there's no maximum to how much they can charge.
They get to make it up.
There's no legislation about this for whatever you need, regardless of what it is, operation, drug, treatment, rehabilitation.
They just get to decide.
And that's why the American consumer just get just graped.
I'm going to stop saying the R word.
tim tompkins
No, you're doing fantastic.
rex jones
Yeah, we're not going to not going to say anything incendiary because we want the algorithm to like us.
tim tompkins
Yeah, because YouTube doesn't like that word.
rex jones
No.
tim tompkins
Not at all.
What else did I have on this, Andrew?
Let me see.
did i have another oh i have the go to the white house uh Rapid response.
Rapid response.
rex jones
The great healthcare plan.
tim tompkins
This is what it's called.
Do you see how it's do you see how it's italicized?
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
The great, like Trump wrote this.
They have to make it in Trump language.
rex jones
Yeah, they bring the green.
You're going to love that.
You're going to love this one, sir.
So lower drug prices, slash prescription drug prices, lower prescription drug prices for all Americans by codifying Trump administration's most favored nation deals to get Americans to the same low prices for prescription drugs that other countries pay.
Oh, no, it went away from me.
This would build off President Trump's landmark actions that made insulin more affordable in his first term and the successful voluntary regulations following his most recent executive orders to lower drug prices.
Voluntarily negotiated deals with Health and Human Services and CMS will be grandfathered in.
Allow more over-the-counter medicines.
All right.
So this is the expansion of the online pharmacy stuff that we see.
So just like the gambling, just like the casino stuff, all of it, it's all just like regulation is getting cut.
And to be fair, like that is a part of what like a lot of people voted for, right?
Is they want to see chains get taken off, but ultimately it's only going to profit the small group of billionaires.
And, you know, some industrious entrepreneurs.
tim tompkins
Well, you know, Mark Cuban, he was doing, is he part, is it GoodRX is what he was making or one of those.
rex jones
I mean, like, here's the thing.
If you, if you have like, if you have heart palpitations or headaches, you can get prescribed beta blockers online.
If you have ED, you can go get ED meds online.
If you have acne, you can go get pharmaceutical acne meds online.
Like when I was a kid, I went and I took Accutane for a very brief period of time.
I was like 17 and I had to go to the dermatologist.
I had to like, they walk you through like a pregnancy warning stuff, basically.
Like you, you?
Yeah, bro.
Yeah.
Seriously, but like, it's like harmful to reproductive health.
tim tompkins
Oh, I thought you were saying like if you're pregnant, this could be.
rex jones
No, no, no, like it's got like nasty side effects.
But then now I see ads for it.
It's like, unlock the new you.
So like clear.
unidentified
New you, new you.
rex jones
Yeah, just take the accutane, right?
And that stuff's horrible.
tim tompkins
And then they have to spit off all the side effects at the very end.
rex jones
But they do it in a way to where it's like a modern interface where it's all like, oh, it's a nice website.
Oh, it's a nice website.
But getting back to the document, lower insurance premiums, send the money directly to the American people.
Stop sending big insurance companies billions and extra taxpayer-funded subsidy payments and instead send that money directly to eligible Americans to allow them to buy the health insurance of their choice.
So that's that's interesting.
What does that mean?
tim tompkins
Which one did you read?
rex jones
Lower insurance premiums.
tim tompkins
Lower insurance premiums, send it directly money to the American people.
So what they're saying is instead of paying, so like a subsidy, right, is like the government pays the insurance company to actually cover how much.
So like, let's say an operation or your insurance costs $2,000, let's say a year or something like that.
You make a certain level below, let's say at the baseline, the government will cover, let's say, 70% as a subsidy or 80%, or maybe actually I think it's 90%.
They'll cover like 90% of that premium, but they'll pay that 90% directly to the insurance company.
I think what they're saying now is to the person instead of how do they know that that person is going to actually spend the money on the insurance.
rex jones
Put the camera back on us for a second.
I want to go back to this.
Well, I got stage four, multiple parts of my body, but I always wanted a McLaren.
I got the truck check.
And I just want to say, thank you, Mr. President.
Now I can live my dream.
Just a joke, just a thought experiment.
If we want to go back to that article, but just having fun.
Man, okay, so fun cost sharing reduction program.
Fund a cost-sharing reduction program for healthcare plans, which would save taxpayers at least 36 billion and reduce the most common with Obamacare, yes, billion common Obamacare plan premiums by over 10%.
Cut kickback costs.
Oh, I can look at the bigger one.
That's easy.
In kickbacks from pharmacy benefit managers to the large brokerage middlemen that deceptively raise the cost of health insurance.
Write that down for me, Tim.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
I ain't got a better brain for that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So fund cost reduction sharing program.
Fund the cost sharing program.
I got to reread it because they're good.
Save taxpayers about 36 billion, reduce the most common.
I got to do more research then because fund cost sharing reduction program.
I think they're trying to do is make sure the healthcare plans are reduced.
rex jones
Cost sharing reduction program for healthcare plans, which would save taxpayers.
So it's just, it's making a claim, but it's not, that's not like, what is a cost-sharing reduction program in the world of insurance?
I don't know this.
Maybe the computer.
tim tompkins
The only thing I, okay, fund cost sharing program.
The only thing I can think of is if they have a fund that they're putting money into, almost like insurance right now.
Like, all right, this is the only thing I can think of.
I have to fact check myself on this.
I could probably look this up on Chat GPT really quickly as well.
But insurance, how it works for other things is in order for premiums to be lower, like your car insurance, or like, let's say you've got Geico here and also a guy who has Geico all the way in New York, right?
That premium is that cost is being spread among all the all the people in order for the premium to be actually lower.
So like each person's basically paying into a pool.
And then when somebody needs the insurance, like you're not always going to need it.
And the next guy isn't always going to need it, but somebody else will.
And so they take that money that you're already still paying into it.
And it's basically covering the cost.
And so it's like mutual benefit is how they try to do the insurance.
rex jones
That's interesting.
And, you know, like.
tim tompkins
And just got something pulled up here.
rex jones
Yeah, Andrew's got it.
AI overview, a fun cost-sharing program involves an entity contributing resources, money, in-kind services alongside a grant where sponsors' funds often mandatory for federal grants showing commitment by covering the non-federal share to achieve product goals or project goals, excuse me, calling it infrastructure, research, and health initiatives.
tim tompkins
That doesn't make any sense.
rex jones
This is like an HR language.
It's like an HR language.
And then, like, that means like that, that actually means if you look, if you look at the definitions and legalese, that'll mean like Satan runs America.
Like, who knows?
Good grief.
I'm trying to understand it.
tim tompkins
That's very, I'll look it up and just go to the next one.
rex jones
That's wild.
Okay.
Hold big, the big ones, the ones that like big companies, big insurance companies accountable.
Create the plain English insurance standard, which is requiring health insurance companies to publish rate and coverage compensations upfront on their websites in plain English, not industry jargon, so consumers can make better insurance purchasing decisions.
Publish costs of overhead versus claim payments.
Require health insurance companies to publish the percentage of their revenues that are paid out to the claims versus overhead costs and profits on their websites.
Display claim denial rates.
Require health insurers to publish their percentage of insurance claims they reject.
Ooh, that's pretty cool.
And average wait times for the routine care on their websites.
That creates a little competition.
That's not bad.
Like, that's a horrible system, but that's a decent point on there, I think.
tim tompkins
Okay, so what it's saying, cost-sharing reduction isn't a new Trump invention.
It came from the ACA.
I think he's increasing that is what's happening here.
Ooh.
Or he's relabeling it.
But basically, it's extra government money that lowers your deductible, your copays, out-of-pocket costs for the lower income.
Government paid insurancers directly for that.
Yes, under Obamacare.
Now he's saying it's going towards the people.
We already know this, buddy.
rex jones
Damn.
It's gotten so complicated that no one knows what any of it means.
tim tompkins
I know, dude.
It should not be this hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Maximize price transparency.
Post prices on the wall.
You know, it's the big wall, the wall I built on the border, and they didn't want me to build that wall.
They said it was too expensive.
They said it was too big.
I told them people are saying it is true.
We need a wall.
unidentified
Sorry.
rex jones
Post prices on the wall.
Require any healthcare provider or insurer who accepts either Medicare or Medicaid to publicly and prominently post their pricing and fees to avoid surprise, surprise, medical bills.
Interesting.
tim tompkins
You know what?
rex jones
Confusing.
Do you know what?
tim tompkins
It's designed to be confusing.
taurean small
Right.
tim tompkins
Because then if you don't understand it, then you won't ask questions.
Because how many people are going to actually sit here and read this thing all the way through?
This isn't in like seventh grade plain English.
rex jones
Well, they're just going to read the bold.
You know, they're going to read the bold font.
Maybe he should have made it like a bubble font and made it like size 20 so people really would have been drawn to it.
But I mean, it's just, it's a series of claims.
And then where's the bill for this?
Is this an executive order?
tim tompkins
Yeah, so what, what's going to happen with this guy?
rex jones
What's going on here?
tim tompkins
It's got to go through Congress, right?
So there's no guarantee that this will actually pass.
Let me just double check my.
Yeah.
So like Congress passed a short-term funding extension.
And then when's the next government shutdown?
20th, dude.
rex jones
Really?
tim tompkins
I'm pretty sure.
rex jones
Dude, it's already getting crazy.
tim tompkins
It has to be voted on again.
And I can double check myself on that.
But I'm pretty sure the 19th or 20th is the government Going to shut down on the 20th.
rex jones
That's true, Samantha.
If you have no health care and you go into the ER and have to have emergency surgery, you can claim indigen after the deadline is January 30th.
The main hospital stay in treatment will be forgiven.
Yeah, that is true, but ultimately, like a person on cancer or on cancer treatment, like they can't do that.
You know, there's a lot of conditions where you can't do that, unfortunately.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
No, the shutdown is on the 30th.
I got my dates mixed up.
rex jones
Oh, you know, we got a little more time.
tim tompkins
Two weeks.
rex jones
Yeah, two weeks.
tim tompkins
You know what's crazy?
He's only trying to do this because of that, right?
Because he got a lot of shit.
And the Republicans got a lot of shit when this whole shutdown happened and what happened to the TSA and the travel plans.
And if you guys had a canceled flight during that time period, I'm sorry.
Our government couldn't get their stuff together.
rex jones
But you were able to get through.
tim tompkins
I was.
He passed it just in time.
I didn't have any travel issues.
I was like, thank the Lord.
Maybe it's because of those $10,000 bonuses he gave to people, which I actually support that.
You know, I think the people who did stay, even though they didn't have to, actually, legally, you're required to by the FDA, by the TSA and the federal agencies.
But nonetheless, the people who stayed, props to you guys.
Glad you guys did that.
But all he's trying to do is save grace right now because he's now worrying about midterms and he's worrying about the government shutdown.
But don't you think this should have been like within the first hundred days?
Right.
You know, why isn't this in the first hundred days?
Somebody tell me this.
rex jones
We got Handashiva.
He says the healthcare change is going to make a positive impact.
Insurance companies can't raise premiums now because then they won't be able to sell any because people will only buy the cheaper ones since transparency is now mandated.
I mean, the transparency thing, like that should be a thing already.
I'm glad it's in that plan.
I do like that.
I do like that.
tim tompkins
I'm just saying my issue with this isn't the plan necessarily.
And I haven't looked into the specifics to see like whether this could work out or not.
My issue is, is why wasn't this done before we went into Venezuela?
Why wasn't this done before we had the tariff situation?
rex jones
We're going to do a little distraction and we're going to do a little government shutdown and then we're going to launch the bomb and no one's going to be working when we do it.
Like that's like probably, you know what?
February will probably nuts, right?
Because February is when the Russians came in to Ukraine in 2022.
tim tompkins
You think they're going to be like a remembrance bombing?
rex jones
Well, I mean, it's just, you're coming out of the winter.
You're going into the spring.
Conditions are more favorable towards a military operation when you're not in the winter.
They don't like to fight.
tim tompkins
They don't like to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
rex jones
They don't like to fight in the winter specifically.
So I don't know.
Things are heating up.
tim tompkins
He also said insurance companies may raise premiums, but since this mandate is transparency, people can choose the lowest cost premiums, which forces the high-cost ones to lower in the order to sell and compare in sales.
I love this, actually.
And if you were correct on this, yeah, it is a win.
But again, this should have been done before we put tariffs on like China and India and the EU and Mexico and fucking Canada.
rex jones
It's like he gives us a lollipop and is like, oh, this is good, isn't it?
And it's like, well, you just did like two dozen whack ass things for no reason.
And now you're like doing something that should already be implemented, like you said.
tim tompkins
Yeah, should have.
Hello, Straight Smoke 101.
We love you.
I don't know what you're talking about, but I love you.
rex jones
Okay.
We love all.
tim tompkins
We love all of our people.
All right.
So he said the main InfoWar ain't working.
rex jones
Trump, man, the InfoWar ain't working.
Trump betrayed us.
What's the honest solution other than Lightning of Christ?
Because honestly, nothing else is going to work.
Well, I think it's just leaving this political system behind, man.
Like, I'm not a Democrat.
I'm not a Republican.
I don't identify in either of those camps.
I'm an American that cares about American policy, both domestic and foreign.
I care about the interests of me, my family, people who live in my state, people who live in my country, all of us here.
And a real America First campaign would be a campaign to make all these other countries like us, want to do business with us, want to make deals with us.
100%.
Instead of that, the America First campaign that we've been sold is war.
It's war and it's partnership with big AI companies.
And it's a big club.
Right.
tim tompkins
Because if you really wanted to do America first, you would address the issues that America is dealing with first.
We don't have any conflicts of interest with the future of where the raw materials go from China, right?
Like that's his play with Greenland because he wants to make sure the United States isn't in a situation five years or a year or two from now in which, you know, let's say they take Taiwan and then we go to war with them and then they take our raw minerals.
Maybe you could be preventing a bigger issue.
But for right now, what the American people are caring about is, can I afford health care?
Is that going to be an issue?
rex jones
No, no, The American people are like, we want to go to Greenland now.
We all want to be in Greenland.
We have to bring Vegas to Greenland.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
100%.
And, you know, NATO will push back on that.
I don't think that's going to happen.
rex jones
They're doing military exercises up there now.
tim tompkins
Are they?
rex jones
Yeah, they are.
It's called like Operation Arctic Endurance.
Like, Macrom is there as well.
tim tompkins
To be honest, though, if the United States wanted to take it, we would take it.
There's not a whole lot they could do.
Like, let's be honest.
rex jones
We look at Iran and it's got 92 million people and you got 92 million people.
You can tell the empire no at a certain level.
You have a place like Greenland, 50,000 people.
tim tompkins
50, 60.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Look, all I got to do is send one ship in your.
You're not going to die.
So, I mean, sorry for the Trump voice tonight.
I revert back to it when I'm low energy.
donald j trump
No, no, no.
tim tompkins
I'm loving the Trump voice, but like, that is exactly what to happen.
I mean, look, I mean, in order for this bill to pass, you've got to have the House pass this, either a full year budget for this or a short term.
Senate also needs to pass this.
And then the healthcare language, because you know who's going to fight back?
The lobbyist.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
You think United Healthcare is just going to bend over backwards?
No, they're going to call Bernie.
donald j trump
President, I thought we had a deal.
tim tompkins
They're going to call Bernie up.
They're going to call the Elizabeth Warren up.
And if you guys haven't seen, we did a whole thing showing which Congress members were receiving the most from these healthcare.
I'll send the link some other time.
But like, there's like half of them are like Democrats.
There's like a bunch of Republicans on there.
And they're all like taking these like packed money from the giant healthcare systems, which is why they're pushing for the thing in the first place.
It's all a grift.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And of course, Bernie, like he railed about this, and he takes pharmaceutical donations.
unidentified
Except, I believe we need healthcare in the system.
rex jones
I need to have a third lake house.
It is very important to my mental health to have a third lake house.
And I met Bernie in LAX.
We were going to Hawaii.
We were going to go in like 2018.
And I have shook Bernie Sanders' hand back in the day.
It's true.
It's true.
It's a small world.
tim tompkins
Was this before your dad started yelling at him or after?
rex jones
This is before.
This is before.
I caught him coming in early and then I was a sentinel and I was like, he's here.
unidentified
You snitched.
rex jones
And I said, I didn't snitch.
I'm the scout.
I sent him in.
tim tompkins
How did you guys know he was going to be there?
rex jones
We didn't.
It's just LAX, a lot of people at LAX for various reasons.
tim tompkins
He just went back and told your dad and he's like, get the cameras out.
rex jones
He literally had the camera out.
He's already filming.
He's like, this is perfect.
It's wonderful for me.
tim tompkins
We should pull up that video sometime.
That was great.
All right.
So let's go to the next story.
X and Grok.
The UK blocking X. All right.
Andrew, pull up that video.
We'll pull up the news article first, that video.
I think, which one is it called?
Let me see.
Yeah, UK is investigating X over Grok.
Let's pull that up.
The UK investigating global news.
rex jones
I'm going to play the sound real quick.
unidentified
Scanning control.
rex jones
Manipulate scientific data.
World government.
Shut down infrastructure.
Shivering to China.
unidentified
Grok, an AI chatbot offered by Elon Musk's ex is now at the center of a global backlash.
liz kendall
They are not harmless images.
They're weapons of abuse, disproportionately aimed at women and girls.
unidentified
Grok has been used to produce graphic deepfakes of real women and children, stripping them down to bikinis or worse, and sharing these photos without consent.
The UK is the latest country to launch an investigation.
liz kendall
Lives can and have been devastated by this content, which is designed to harass, torment, and violate people's dignity.
unidentified
Malaysia and Indonesia have gone a step further, banning Grok altogether.
In response to the outcry, Musk limited some of Grok's features to paying users only.
There are active discussions about how this country should respond.
rex jones
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I just started to laugh.
tim tompkins
No, go ahead.
Let's comment on this one.
rex jones
Musk has reduced the service to paid users only.
Okay, so it's still active.
You can do anything.
tim tompkins
Like most users do have the blue check mark.
They are paying for it already.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
In order to actually get the usable Grok to begin with.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
If you're using Grok like that, I don't even, I don't really use it like that.
Well, I'm just saying, like, if you're using Grok to do stuff, like if you have Grok and that's your primary AI, like the one I use, if I do use it, is usually ChatGPT.
I don't really like Grok.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I think he's limited, to be honest, compared to ChatGPT.
rex jones
Oh, we've seen examples of that, haven't we?
tim tompkins
Yeah, when you talked about Islam, he's like, we're searching.
He was a gentle, peaceful leader, is what they said.
rex jones
You know, like it is a system of conquest in the day, and that's like the religion.
So, but it is what it is.
tim tompkins
You can go back and play the video.
rex jones
Go back and play it.
unidentified
A report emerged in the Telegraph that the UK is trying to rally like-minded countries such as Canada to crack down.
In a post, AI Minister Evan Solomon said, contrary to media reports, Canada is not considering a ban of X.
The Canadian Center for Child Protection warns lawmakers are failing to keep up with the explosion of AI.
We need to get something in place so that we can get the wheels turning with this because it's this legislation was needed 20 years ago.
The federal government tabled C16 last month that would increase penalties for crimes like distributing sexual images, real and fake, without consent.
jd vance
If you move too quickly, you're going to mess it up.
There's a whole lot of nuance and there's a whole lot of protected expression and protected activity that could be captured if you get it wrong.
unidentified
The UK isn't waiting, vowing to accelerate legislation that would criminalize the use of so-called nudification apps.
Taria Isra Global News.
tim tompkins
Necessary.
I'm not going to lie.
It's necessary that we regulate it just.
rex jones
And I agree.
I agree with you.
I won't step on your point.
No, go ahead.
My thing is, is with the AI, like we knew, like when I found out about ChatGPT and that it was real, you could do like things are just like, it's how I thought Google would always work as a kid, right?
tim tompkins
Right.
rex jones
You know, and once you find out about it, you're like, this just came out.
Like, we're in the wild, wild west of this.
Eventually, there will be regulations for it.
The problem is that bill, that C16 bill, that's also the bill where it's like online hate speech, we send you to jail and stuff like that, too.
So now you're giving legitimate cause to the anti-Elon argument.
You see what I'm saying?
tim tompkins
Yeah, I mean, they're going to jump in a surveillance context.
rex jones
Shout out to Truth and Doubt.
Shout out to you.
Rex, I linked the full Jones Farrakhan interview in the comment section of Dew Dissonance video you appeared on.
So my dad interviewed Dr. Farrakhan.
That's a legendary interview.
Apparently he found it.
So shout out to you, Truth and Doubt.
I will repost that.
tim tompkins
Nice.
rex jones
Very cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Look, with something like this.
Very dangerous, though, as far as like not doing something about the regulation.
And they're right.
Like he's saying, like, if you put regulations too quickly, yes, you can squash the growth, but you got to remember lost us.
Lost us?
rex jones
They're saying they lost us on X. I'm sorry to interrupt.
tim tompkins
Andrew, let's see what's going on.
rex jones
I can do a quick check.
tim tompkins
It might be just glitching.
Let us know if you guys can see us.
X is not working.
You know, it's weird.
rex jones
Hey, I'm live.
unidentified
What's up?
tim tompkins
Let me just double check.
No, it's working.
Okay.
I think, dude, X, by the way, guys, X is not working today.
This isn't us, actually.
Before I got on, X has been crashing.
I couldn't even pull stuff on X.
I tried to have Andrew pull stuff on X on his end.
His thing wasn't working.
They've got some internal issues going on 100% on the desktop version for sure.
I don't know what Elon and the team is doing there, but Axis had a lot of glitches these days.
rex jones
Well, didn't they like cede control of X over to Grok?
Like it runs the algorithm and stuff.
tim tompkins
They're trying to integrate it and it's not working the way they should.
Also, Spaces glitches out all the time.
I've been hopping on spaces pretty often.
They need to fix that.
I mean, sometimes it glitches, sometimes it doesn't work.
But thank you guys for letting us know.
It's very helpful when you guys let us know what's happening in the chat because we can't see what's happening live.
So we really appreciate every single person that gives us feedback.
But going back to the, yeah, you're right, Steven.
He said, I tried to spaces and it kept booting me out and I gave up.
Yeah, that's what happens.
They don't know how to optimize for all the people that would come in, especially big spaces, glitch very often.
But going back to the main point, he said something about if you put out regulations too fast, it'll break things.
And he's right about that.
But AI has been out since 2022.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And we have seen the exponential growth.
And now it's kind of hit like a short-term plateau.
It's not significant, but the growth going from 2022 to 2023 is not as high as going from 2025 to 2026 in terms of the growth steps.
Regulation is so far behind right now.
Dude, do you know how many things that like we just talked about, like these deep fakes and stuff like that, and AI not like not being able to create similar music?
Like Nintendo, you know, they hate when people use like their cartoons or animations, Disney 2.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
And people are like making Disney cartoons without.
And if you did that on a manual version where you go and put that out there, you get a cease to desist.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
But because the AI made it, there's like a gap there.
rex jones
It's very interesting copyright law.
You know, it'll be weird because at a certain point, I think it was Disney because I think it was at first it was 47 years before something got dropped into public domain.
Right.
And that's why you could use like Frankenstein or like the Little Red Riding Hood story or like any of these examples.
It's like something you could just rip off the IP and it wouldn't be ripping off the IP because it belongs to everybody.
But Disney is like, no, we're going to make it 98 years.
I think it's even been extended past that now.
So they're very serious about this stuff.
And as media companies, I bet they plot it all out.
I'd be very interested to see if there are any meetings at the White House anytime this year related to this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And, you know, Open AI and some of these other companies are probably going to do their own lobbies, create their own thing.
You know how these things are.
rex jones
They're all trying to ban each other.
That's the funny part about the AI.
They're all trying to like, this person's evil.
Like, I am good.
I'm the one that's right.
And it's like, okay, well, all y'all are saying all y'all are bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And how many times have you been fooled on an AI video online?
Yeah, I'm getting it's getting harder and harder to tell the truth.
And I'm somebody who uses AI every day.
So like, oh, I could catch it.
rex jones
The low resolution trick is really good where it's like a video that's kind of grainy.
It looks real.
Yeah, but it's grainy.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Like that, that's gotten me a few times.
And like, man, those people that make those fake animal videos where it's like so sick of those.
Yeah, I'm so sick of that.
It's like the wolf followed me home, man.
tim tompkins
And I petted it and I fed it.
rex jones
And it went through the snow.
And it's like a Mr. Crabstown money.
tim tompkins
And then you have to go to the comment section to actually determine whether it was AI or not.
And you're just like, what drives a person to want to put fake content out there?
Like, can you rationally understand this?
rex jones
Well, when you say fake, what do you mean by when I say fake?
tim tompkins
I mean literally come up with a narrative, not even explicitly say, hey, this is AI, but like actually trying to pass it off as a real thing.
Like my cat did this funny thing.
rex jones
Well, I mean, like, I wonder how much protest footage, how much like just grotesque footage from theaters of war we've seen that's already AI.
You know, like, I want, and that's really where we're at today.
And imagine, like, my dad says this often: everything that we have technology-wise, and you agree with this too.
And we've pushed back and forth on this, and you're like, no, like, we have stuff I can't even imagine, basically, right?
Like, we're years behind on the tech tree.
Imagine the government's AI, right?
tim tompkins
It's already been passed a certain point.
rex jones
They had this a long time ago.
tim tompkins
Right.
And then you've got perplexity.
No, sorry, not perplexity.
Sorry.
rex jones
Clause.
tim tompkins
Calantir.
unidentified
Sorry.
rex jones
Oh, yeah.
tim tompkins
Kalantir's AI is just next level.
What they're doing, being able to gather data and information, it's next level in terms of how they're going to do facial recognition, catch you if you do the bad thing.
It will crack down on catching terrorists sooner.
I support those types of things, but how they'll use it, it's like if they use it responsibly, is another thing.
rex jones
It's going to be used to do pre-crime.
It's going to be used to do like, there's this story I want to do.
I'll cover it tomorrow.
Maybe we'll talk about it a little bit on Sunday where there's a line of code you can type into Grok and it'll give you like your like threat assessment basically.
That asks yeah for real.
And like that's what I was talking about earlier.
tim tompkins
It'll be very interesting.
rex jones
We'll revisit that later.
New Groper is going to call me tomorrow.
We're going to talk more about it.
But it's scary how like it's clinical how it ranks you and it balances you.
It balances you in all these different systems and positions.
And you think about that not just on a social media app, but like writ large on society.
Isn't that isn't that terrifying?
tim tompkins
It is, but like I try not to think about it because when you think about it, think about it quite a bit.
I know, but when you think about it, sometimes you can have your brain go into these like crazy loopholes and be and panic, almost like get yourself in a little bit of a panic when you're neutral because it's a problem.
But we don't, but we don't actually know the full extent to which they are or not using them.
So that's what I'm saying.
Like you can trick yourself into an anxiety before you actually know what the thing is going to be about.
rex jones
The guy that runs Palantir, blank, you know, his name, Alex Carp, Alex Carp, the guy who runs Palantir, he at like a conference or whatever said that he's got like higher aspirations and he's also got lower aspirations.
And one of his lower aspirations is wanting to fly an FPV drone at protesters and spray them with a light fentanyl-laced urine.
This is a video.
I'm quoting Verbe.
It's not slander or anything like that.
I mean, welcome, welcome to new boss.
Same as the old boss.
And here's the thing: I want a national referendum against all this stuff because we didn't ultimately, we were tricked into giving consent to give our privacy away.
We have a constitutional right to our privacy.
They are not allowed to do these things, even if they do them.
And this is a key thing with our government.
Our government does something.
It's like, well, they did it.
What are we going to do?
It's like, no, like we have it, we have grievance here.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
And I think that as well.
And that's like a fundamental argument that I won't disagree with you on in terms of those things.
I think my biggest perspective with all of that, and not to get away from the main point, is like, I live a fairly normal life and I'm not doing anything illegal for them to know like I had a Starbucks latte the other day.
Like I could give two shits.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
But you know, like that data, there's data that's important and data that's not so important.
rex jones
But you are sovereign.
Like, like you, you have, you are an individual.
It gets to exist freely in the world and things should get to happen to you randomly and not by an algorithm's choice.
tim tompkins
No, and I agree.
I think I think there needs to be roadblocks, but I don't think it has to be binary where it's all or nothing.
Like there's some conveniences that like it's weird.
If you guys have iPhone, you get into your car, right?
Because it knows your location.
It always knows your location.
You get into your car and it'll, it'll be able to suggest you where you're probably going to go next.
And then I don't have to sit there and search it.
Like that stuff's convenient for me.
Like the average person, no, they're tracking me dead.
rex jones
It's just, it's a classic argument.
And hey, like, I'm guilty too.
Like, I use these things, right?
It's convenient to you, but it's the Benjamin Franklin quote, man.
We used to have him behind us on the wall.
It's those who desire to give up liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both.
And I think that's true.
I just think that's a fact about the world.
And that's the thing that just makes me reject it out, right?
And I'm just like, man, I see that Optimus robot.
And I'm like, in 10 years, it's going to be the Terminator.
And it's going to be the police officer.
They go, well, you know, people have racial biases and we can't have these white police officers beating up these minorities anymore, introducing cop bot.
And then the robot will come out and like it'll immediately like open fire.
tim tompkins
Cease and desist, white man, white man.
rex jones
Cease and desist, cease and desist.
Resistance is futile.
And then like it just dumps into a crowd of people.
Like seriously, though, I think we're going to see a future that RoboCop is a great movie if you haven't seen it.
tim tompkins
I've seen it.
rex jones
You've seen RoboCop.
That's like real futurism stuff.
Like we're there.
We're getting there.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that I have to be, I can, I can see that.
I can't be too super black pill in terms of like the AI also takes commands that we give or what we give perspectives on.
But yes, you're right.
If a George Soros decided to program it to kill everybody, it could in theory, but I think good prevails at the end of the day.
unidentified
And maybe I sound oh, white pill and lack of black.
rex jones
White pill, black pill, gray area, man.
tim tompkins
Yeah, this is, but uh, going back to the original point.
So with this whole thing, right, OFCOM is specifically checking if X is complied with duties to prevent legal content and protecting children.
And failure could actually lead up to fines of $18 million or 10% of their global revenue.
Okay.
So this is even past just blocking access to it in X in the UK.
And there's actually global.
So they talked about Canada and like Canada pushing back on this and like, hey, get behind this.
And Canada's like, we're United States partner right now.
We're already dealing with not trying to get tariffs slapped on us.
rex jones
Trump's right next to us.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
He's right down there.
We're really scared.
tim tompkins
Trump's like, I get Jones is sitting there like this.
rex jones
I get the gun.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
tim tompkins
Say you're going to help them.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
We're going to remain diplomatically out of the situation.
So we don't get involved.
Yeah.
Seriously.
Seriously.
unidentified
Go ahead, tell the UK you love them.
We love you.
We love you.
rex jones
UK.
They just start talking like Trump.
Like Mark Carney, the guy who runs Canada now or whatever.
He has to put on the Trump wig.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
That's the next humiliation.
tim tompkins
So now you've got, but like countries like Malaysia and Indonesia have already blocked ROC because of that harmful outputs.
And then there's other countries besides that, like the EU, you got France, India, the Philippines have issued warnings.
Uh to, and they're potentially going to take legal action against them and considering bans.
And then uh, like the Uk uh, political leaders are saying that's disgusting and unlawful.
Oh Andrew, pull up the video of the Uk lawmakers, let's see uh, the parliament.
The video didn't really show much, so I have a different one.
unidentified
Beginning is just started from the beginning.
tim tompkins
Okay.
So, yeah, no, this is like the UK parliament, what they're doing.
Very interesting.
I never really saw their hearings, but go ahead and play this clip.
unidentified
Shadow secretary of state, Julia Lopez.
Thank you, madam.
Thank you, speaking to the secretary of state, for advance notice of her statement.
Last week, the public outrage was rightly expressed about the use of artificial intelligence to undress women and children in photographs by X'S AI assistant, GROK.
The use of AI in this way without consent is wrong, it is disturbing and in many cases it is illegal.
We support ofcom taking enforcement action where an AI tool is used to generate illegal content, especially that of children.
We support the government's stance on nudification tools.
X itself has warned of consequences for anyone prompting GROK to make illegal content.
The tools in question have been put behind a paywall for the easy identification by name and bank details of anyone misusing them.
tim tompkins
Beyond the platform however, the Internet Watch Foundation has identified cases where perpetrators have used Grok in tandem with other AI tools to generate category a material as, yeah, they're just yeah here I think that's the funniest thing when I saw the video like they're just all like mimes, like here, like that's the southern accent.
rex jones
The southern accent is actually, wait, it comes from that.
Yeah, it comes from that.
No way remnant of it in America.
tim tompkins
That's crazy.
rex jones
That's that's like people from Louisiana.
tim tompkins
So what the hell happened in Transition?
Because they sound nothing like the British people.
rex jones
Now well, I mean the ones that live further south in the Colonies, they like it's that plantation owner thing.
Like well, I talk like this because that's how I imagine the British people talk yes, like seriously, but it's a, it's very interesting.
Like the Transatlantic accent is an accent that's disappeared, like that's gone, that's gone, that turned into like i'm a New York or whatever.
tim tompkins
So it's very interesting, but that I think the only state or states that don't really have one Connecticut's one of those ones.
I don't think we have an accent like right, I think South has an accent.
Texas for sure has an accent.
New York has that.
Massachusetts got that Boston.
But I mean, America, I mean, it's interesting.
Like, I want to know what other countries, like, we have an accent, obviously, as Americans, but like for us, it's like, this is totally normal.
But, like, I hear, I'm not going to lie, I can't watch like British videos, like British, like Netflix movies or anything like that because I hate the British accent so much in my ear when I'm all.
rex jones
That's what it sounds like.
tim tompkins
And I have nothing against British people.
I just, I can't listen.
rex jones
A lot of people would say, Tim, that they think that British people sound smarter than Americans.
And that's why you have someone like Piers Morgan.
Like, if Piers Morgan's like, this is what I sound like.
Welcome to the Piers Morgan show.
He wouldn't get any viewership.
But he's, I'm Piers Morgan.
I'm like, you got an investigative reporter.
tim tompkins
Nick Fuentes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Nick Fuentes.
rex jones
Nick Fuentes.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Dude, do you see how sync that was?
That's pretty difficult.
I'm not going to lie.
Hey, look, we're psycho.
We're like telepathic.
rex jones
They're going to be just mind melding here.
It's going to be good.
tim tompkins
100%.
So, I mean, like, the whole thing about this, X is reacted, but it's kind of like a half-baked reaction.
Go ahead and let's pull up X Safety.
Andrew, let's go ahead and pull up this tweet and what their response is.
But they have responded because they need to.
They can't choose not to respond to something like this.
Let me go ahead and pull this up too.
Okay.
So X has shared new safety updates regarding Grok image generation, new Grok image safeguards, editing images of real people in revealing clothing, aka bikinis is now blocked, applies to all users, including paid subscribers.
Image creation and editing of X via Grok is now paid only, improving accountability.
Yeah, because you could create a fake account and just like not have any way to track that person.
Enforcement actions, zero tolerance for sexual exploitation, CSAM, non-consensual nudity, or unwanted sexual content.
High priority violations are removed immediately.
Accounts involved in CSAM are now.
What is that?
CSAM.
Let me just quickly look that up.
Okay.
rex jones
Child.
I was like, I was thinking about it.
I was like, no, no, no.
Okay.
unidentified
No.
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, yeah.
Child S.
rex jones
The bad, bad thing.
tim tompkins
Assault material is what that means.
Okay.
rex jones
The lowest of the lowest.
tim tompkins
Geo-blocking updates.
So image generation of real people in bikinis, underwear, or similar attire is geo-blocked in regions where it is legal.
rex jones
Or where it's illegal.
tim tompkins
Or where it is illegal.
Okay, sorry.
X rules still apply to everyone regardless of how content is created, AI or manual, free or paid.
All posts must comply with X rules.
Violations lead to removals, permanent suspensions, and cooperations with authorities when required.
X says generative AI is evolving fast and safety systems will continue to tighten, working with users, governments, and industry partners to address issues as they emerge.
rex jones
So early chat GPT was crazy.
You could ask it about like anarchist cookbook type stuff and it would tell you.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And like, I remember the tech coming out.
I was like, man, this is crazy.
tim tompkins
Well, you know, when you don't give humans some sort of guardrails, there is a small demographic of the population that will abuse it.
I mean, it's as simple as that.
I mean, if they have the capability to grift and you've got like guys who want to create deep fakes and guys who goon into little girls and shit like that, like there are people that there's like a real audience for that type of stuff.
And even Elon has responded to this and he's like, we will comply with the law.
Anybody doing these things specifically with minors will be prosecuted the exact same way.
rex jones
Ultimately, you know, like the AI companions are sexualized as well, right?
And like the anti-model and all that stuff that you can do.
tim tompkins
Yeah, like, okay, for that type of stuff where like, you know, somebody's got either like the VR headset and they've got like the virtual girlfriend or the AI.
Like, I think that stuff is degenerate.
And like, you know, the you're in the goon bunker.
unidentified
You're in the bunker.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
Yeah, it's really bad.
Don't want to do that.
unidentified
No, it's true, though, man.
tim tompkins
No, he's right, though.
Like, you know, they say this specifically.
They say that the corn industry is always ahead of technology.
They'll often implement something before it's widespread, before it's like a technology.
So like they just do it in like a sexual way.
And often they were like the first pioneers for a lot of different things.
But like, for example, these AI people things where like people are gooning to like their fake wife, you know, eventually you will have like some virtual assistant, which you can sit there and interact with, which is a better purpose than just sitting there gooning in your basement.
rex jones
No, no, I think it's all bad.
It just is further degradation of society.
Ultimately, my thing is like, the reason why I brought it up is like, you know, Elon's very smart.
Obviously, he created all these various really cool things and things like Grok, things like SpaceX and other stuff.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
But there is kind of like, he's having fun with it to a degree, you know, and to a degree, maybe he shouldn't be like messing with such powerful technology by like, it's been like trying to sexualize the AI model in general.
You know, like, where does that go, you know, long term?
Like, like, what is, what does that mean when that's core training data for the thing 10 years down the line?
tim tompkins
And that's why, I, and I agree with you on this.
That's why I'm very careful often to just be like, there are people who are just like free absolutists, right?
Like, they're just like freedom at all costs.
Like, we just got to take the wheels off this baby and just run.
rex jones
Anarchists.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Anarchist, essentially.
And society without any, uh, without any type of regulations or rules ends up being a chaotic one in which no one wins.
rex jones
It might make sense.
tim tompkins
Right.
So there is a nice balancing act to where, yeah, I don't want to end up where all my rights are taken away and somebody can tell me everything I should and shouldn't be doing, but it's, it's a balancing act.
You know, you have to have both.
You can't have light without dark.
rex jones
And it reminds me a lot of the democracy psyop.
So they'll say, they'll say, like, this is the word the Democrats specifically have ran on it, but you'll hear even the Republicans say, like, we're defending democracy.
Blah, blah, blah, we're defending democracy.
We're defending democracy.
We're defending democracy.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And democracy, all that is is majority rule.
All that means is 51% vote to kill the other 49% and potential.
That's what happened in Athens, Greece, the place where it was invented, right?
It eventually went down the tubes.
And that's why we don't have a democracy.
We have a democratically elected constitutional republic.
tim tompkins
Yes.
rex jones
Right.
So things like that.
I don't know how I got there.
Damn.
tim tompkins
You're on.
No, I definitely understand what you're saying.
rex jones
Where was I going with that?
tim tompkins
I'm a little tired today.
I think in general, what you're trying to say with that is with the whole idea of like there needs to be guards in place.
You know, who decides that the guards are in place really depends on how the system is run specifically as well.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
So whether or not, you know, yes, the 50, 51% thing doesn't work out, you have people elected, but then you have to trust that those people who are making the decisions are actually doing right by the people.
rex jones
Right.
tim tompkins
That's the thing.
And so you'll notice like we've shifted from like, I mean, the distrust in the United States actually started as far back as like Vietnam.
Like it went as high as 80% during that time period.
If you guys go watch history and just go watch videos, and I've been doing this, I do this a lot.
You just see history repeating itself with just new technology.
There's always something that comes out that's really good, good for the people.
And too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing.
It always cycle repeats itself.
And so you're just going to see this trend on the long term.
Something gets new and introduced.
People do really bad things with it.
It has to get really bad before it gets good.
And then the rules come out once like, you know, somebody's broken enough things and you know where to patch, you know, the situation.
Now, I don't want to get to a point where, you know, some of this stuff has done so damn so much damage beyond repair.
That's my ultimate thing that I'm afraid of at the end of the day.
But I don't know.
I think with the whole AI situation, it's a necessary, you know, people are like, oh, it's bad, but I think it's a necessary evil because there's a lot of good things.
There's actually more good things coming out of this stuff than bad.
And you just don't see it because now it's actually being baked in society and we take it for granted.
rex jones
So I just think it'll be used to pilot all the robots.
That's my take on it.
That's why I'm a young person.
tim tompkins
And I will say, as an engineer who is very like into robotics and technology and stuff, people were afraid back in the 90s and even in the early 2000s before like, let's say 94, when the internet, they had the same problem with the internet where they were like, well, the internet is going to be the bane of existence and it's going to be the worst thing that's ever happened to society.
And we always discredit the good things that come out.
Dude, I'm telling you, like right now, the fact that we get a chance to like talk and interact with people.
rex jones
I take your point.
tim tompkins
So it's very easy to point out all the negative bad stuff because humans have a tendency to actually, it's a biological response in us.
We always look for the negative because the body is designed to look out for danger.
And then we forget about all the good things that come with it.
The fact that you and I can sit here, pull up our phone, order a little grub hub, chill out, not have to worry about things.
We're living better.
That's the kings.
rex jones
Yeah, but that's part of the deal, man.
It's part of that gradual deal we take to go down the slope, you know, because we're not revolting because it's still comfortable.
And that's why I talk about the collapse.
But interesting takes.
Interesting takes.
I'm washed.
tim tompkins
No, we can we can conclude it here.
rex jones
So tired.
tim tompkins
I'll read a couple more comments before we head off here.
rex jones
Oh, you're good.
Real Mike's Big Schlong.
unidentified
What?
tim tompkins
What?
rex jones
Real Mike's.
tim tompkins
Is that a real name?
rex jones
Big Mike.
Real Big Mike Schlong.
tim tompkins
Michelle Obama.
Okay, interesting.
rex jones
My democracy.
These politicians really represent the wishes of their constituency.
That's a huge thing on the right wing.
They think Michelle Obama is a man.
People in Georgia have that accent.
tim tompkins
I'm the same, Tim.
Oh, yeah, Steven.
You're talking about like not being able to watch TV with British accents.
I'm starting to get used to it.
Not sure if I really vibe with it.
And who are we going to try and change what God has already written?
Not really sure what that means.
The price of everything is going up this year.
It's going to be a fun time.
I mean, that's how it always will go up.
You know, even with inflation, even if it's like the 2% that they're talking about, at 2%, it means inflation is still going up.
It just, how fast it goes up is the real thing.
But we thank you guys for being here tonight.
I just, I'm glad we got this whole system working.
And Andrew, it's very cool.
Thank you, man.
Like, you're killing it on the behind the scenes for us to be able to do this first time and for it to work out specifically.
And you guys can't hear him, but like he can talk to us and you can't hear.
That's why I love technology, man.
It's like having a real pretty certain real professional level stuff.
rex jones
This is the upgrade we've been waiting for.
Thank you so much, Andrew, for being the producer doing this work.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And, you know, we'll, we'll, uh, well, he can also at certain points throw himself to where you guys can hear him at certain points, um, you know, at a certain point when he's uh feels comfortable with that.
But actually, Andrew used to be a caller.
Um, yeah, he reached out to us a really long time ago and was like one of our very first callers.
And we just conversations X, Y, and Z, and he just reached out to us.
And he's just been a super, he's just been helpful, honestly.
And we're, we need more people like that.
I'm not going to lie, who are just go-getters.
I'm thinking about, you know, potentially having one more person who's willing to grow with us.
And I haven't talked about this openly, but yeah, we're still in need of more help to get this thing going and grow and just grow with us.
rex jones
So, yeah, and Tim is really managing that project.
That's that's really his baby.
He's managing that project.
We're trying to make this to be something where you tune in and you're like, wow, because like production value really does matter to us, right?
And like, just with the elevation today with the new screen and all of it, not fighting over the keyboard and just like being able to truly be relaxed in the studio and not really have to worry about anything because we got somebody helping us out.
We got so it's good.
tim tompkins
I will let you guys know what the person that I am looking for for something like this.
And if you guys decide that you want to, we might be able to have a conversation about this, but I need somebody to help Andrew out here and co-produce.
There's other things that we have to do, like we do transcripts and trying to make sure that we're covering the right segments for clips and things like that.
So if you've got any expertise and doesn't require you to be super technically savvy, but just being able to work hard and be in the system, feel free to reach out.
You can DM me.
You can DM Rex.
Just DM me because it's probably easier because I'm figuring all this stuff out and he's got a lot of stuff.
rex jones
Comment under our live streams.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
If you want to be part of the journey, if you want to help out, might as well.
I mean, it's something that we're glad that people are willing to actually grow.
And yeah, just reach out to us and help us with this journey, man.
All right.
Well, I'm yapping.
I'm tired.
You're also tired.
rex jones
We're going to love.
tim tompkins
We're getting the log off here.
Andrew, go ahead and take us offline.
Thank you guys.
See you guys.
rex jones
Go Primal Core.
That's right.
GoPrimalCore.com.
tim tompkins
Oh, yeah.
Yes, sir.
rex jones
All right.
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