Aaron Baker, challenging "biggest Zionist in Congress" Randy Fine’s extremism—including calls to nuke Gaza and racially charged rhetoric—exposes Fine’s divisive legacy as Brevard’s "bully," while Baker’s grassroots campaign targets local crises: 90% lost orange groves, 40% predicted energy inflation, and crumbling infrastructure like Eustis roads ignored for 35 years. Criticizing AIPAC’s unchecked foreign influence ($1,000 ROI over 40 years) and congressional stock trading (e.g., Donalds’ 101% gain), Baker pushes for $100/month contribution caps and a shift from endless wars to domestic priorities, arguing the U.S. risks economic decline by prioritizing global policing over its own decay. The episode blends Fine’s controversies with broader critiques of lobby-driven governance, previewing deeper dives into Middle East tensions and constitutional war powers debates. [Automatically generated summary]
It takes a lot of time to get used to doing this frequently, right?
Like, it's a very weird thing to be like, okay, I have to prep and know my news information, and then I'm going to go sit down for three hours or two hours or however long it is and talk about it.
Then still have all my other work stuff that I'm managing on my mind.
Exactly.
So it definitely is a lot.
And it definitely helps me to have this place in my house because I'm just so comfortable, right?
Like, this is just, I'm just sitting in my home at the end of the day.
And then, Tim, you're not far away, but you still got to make the trip.
And that's another thing that now, like at Gray Area 40, we've done enough episodes where we can track these stories and kind of see where our predictions landed, right?
Like we talked about when would the next conflict break out?
We said war.
So maybe, Tim, you're even, you're still correct because the bet is still on another bet?
Because it's not a war.
You understand?
It's just an extraction where we take your president.
I mean, with everything heating up in the way that it is geopolitically, with the Russians saying they're going to retaliate with missiles, they've just given the Iskander missile to another.
We got a lot of stories tonight.
And there's stuff that like I was on X today, and I know Tim was doing deep research.
I was just looking through, and I actually follow a lot of good news accounts.
And I saw that story and I was like, whoa, we got to talk about that.
Apparently he was dealing with someone else in a vehicle and he got like wrapped around or like was like holding on to the car and got dragged through like three.
Because back when George Floyd happened, people still had money in their pocket and like there was some sense of like normality that was happening besides COVID, of course.
Well, the thing is, ultimately, is there was a homicide, right?
And someone died.
Now, is it a justifiable homicide or is it not?
And I look at it as like, I don't like ICE.
Like I understand the job they have to do.
Right.
And like, I'm not for people being here illegally and like they should be back home, in my opinion.
But at the same time, ICE was created in 2003 and it was created to coincide with the Patriot Act and a whole bunch of other nasty stuff that Bush got through.
And you're just like, well, they were in the Biden shirt.
Right.
So that part I voted.
But what I didn't vote for was, you know, to just let the dog off the chain.
Like, you still have to put up some bumper guards and some specific guardrails in order to tell people what they should and shouldn't be doing.
And I think right now, because Trump is doing so much, he kind of just said, like, hey, go at it.
And there's like not as much structure to how they're going about this.
And when I saw the circumstances where they were like taking people who were like American citizens and like they didn't really like, it just like, are you guys thinking about how you guys are going to go in here and like confiscate people?
Like after like, yeah, after they do it, like where they're literally going into these places and like instead of knowing who they're going for, they're like, oh, he looks Mexican.
And to do all this in this grotesque way where you're, where you're using essentially like it's a, it's a state police force, right?
It's military police.
And you're using them in a way to where it's just, if you were coming at it from a pure heart of like being like, we're going to do this and we're going to do this in a way as to where no one can misconstrue what we're doing, you would do it another way versus the way they do it.
And this is what I was thinking about, like they haven't caught all the people who are like actually doing the crime and the criminals.
Like that was the low-hanging fruit that like we have pictures of these people.
We have records of these people that got put in jail and then let go.
Like all those people haven't been caught.
And had you actually gone after the people that were doing the bad shit, we would have had a situation where maybe, you know, this, this woman wouldn't have gone out there trying to protest because it's like, what are you going to defend a criminal?
Had you strategically picked out the exact group of people that you wanted to go after.
Where these people are now protesting and why you're seeing all the craziness is because you're like grabbing like the single mother of three who she might be illegal, but has been doing nothing and you've gone after her.
Now, I'm not sitting here saying, like, oh, you know, we shouldn't be like putting people to where they have to like restart in the line and come legally, but like, that's the last person you need to go after.
We were both like decently happy with the prospect of doing it, right?
We were like, Yeah, he's probably going to do something good, right?
For the country.
That's why we voted for Trump.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah.
So, when we voted for Trump and we wanted him to implement his agenda, did we want through his actions for him to make possible everything like the opposite of what he said he was going to do?
Because this is it, right?
Because the reaction to this is going to be a left-wing surge that'll overtake the country.
Why would you have officers that are willing to just leap on someone and kill them this fast?
Because they've been told, like, we're carrying out like the most important operation in American history.
We got to get 30 million people out.
You have authorization to do whatever you want.
Ultimately, if you're not restrained and do things super perfect and take the high road in every situation, everything you do, even if it is legitimate, even if you are like, even if someone is trying to run you over, it's going to be used as fuel against you.
And they're going to lose the midterms in 2028 because of it.
Because the young people, the people we know, are friends that are not, you know, like, they're just like, they're low propensity voters.
And the thing is, all these stories, the Minneapolis thing, the Venezuela thing, even to an extent, the wars, although the Ukrainian war because of the nuclear threat is very legitimate, it's all slop.
I was like, look, all they got to do is either A, hold on long enough for this to get shut down or enough things come up that it's just a distraction and we all forget about it.
Tell your fellow Muslim terrorists to release the hostages and surrender until then.
Hashtag starve away war crime.
You are not allowed to use food as a weapon against people.
None.
May the streets of Gaza run red with their blood.
He also called for Gaza to be nuked.
You can argue if that's satirical or not, or whatever you want to say, but he did say it.
And the point is, if this was a bloodthirsty Israeli, like far-right politician that was in power somehow or over there, he can say it, fine, whatever.
It's not our government.
This is a U.S. congressman, right?
And like people are going to vote for this guy, and this guy's going to smile and tell people he cares about like American values and humanity.
And ultimately, this is the most racist stuff I've ever seen.
Perhaps aside from the Minneapolis clues, which are pretty bad.
Cause everyone's platforming the big guys who are already there.
We already kind of know what those dudes stand for.
They're already bought off.
They're paid by.
They're already part of the system.
So we want people that are not part of the system because that's the only way that things can potentially change is you've got the new guy in town who knows what it's like on the ground.
And I really hope to ask him some questions because I'm sure he's experienced some of these things before he's running for his campaign right now.
Yeah, you know, it's got to be interesting, especially, you know, with the goal of an operation just to get like notice, number one, to get up in the arena with everyone.
You've got to do so much legwork.
You've got to let so many people know about you.
You got to file and do so many things to even begin the process.
It really is like an upheaval of your life to do it, right?
So this guy, we're actually having this guy on on a Sunday, Sulaiman Ahmed or Ahmed, however you say it, breaking ICE assault, the U.S. citizen outside of high school.
And then we got this, which we were talking about.
Russia supplies Iran with Iskander missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.
And in regard to their other missile, the Oreshnik missile, I saw footage of that being used near the Polish border, like in Ukraine, but near the Polish border.
So they're striking back.
And I think we're about to see some real escalation in response to the Venezuela operation, right?
Because they look at that and they say, okay, you're going to do what you're going to do in your backyard.
President Trump said his plans to revoke citizenship for naturalized Americans beyond just if they are found to have been dishonest or involved in fraud.
If he, if he did use the phrase, say her name, like, he, he didn't have to do all that, but if he used the word say her name, the amount of people in the black community would hang this dude.
I would say that's bad on the black community because say her name should be a thing of like anyone fighting for the cause of quote unquote liberation.
If it is a civil rights movement, meaning civil rights for everyone.
I just had a Doctor Strange moment in which I just like withdrew from my body and just looked at this whole scenario from the astral side of you.
I'm just like sitting here like this.
Right.
So with this scenario, when I was back in New York when January 6th happened, right?
Everybody who saw that situation and saw all the speeches and stuff like that felt the exact same way as I know a lot of people who are watching this stuff happen.
It's almost like deja vu, but just like a different like well, that's that's that's the thing.
And that, and that, that's, that's exactly what I've, what I, what I was, what I'm saying, I totally agree with you is like, we're like, it's literally you like a song and a script for either side that you're, that you're, that you're going to do.
And then that, this is how those negative feedback loops start that I was talking about.
Like I, I can't even sit there and say, oh, J6 started it.
It wasn't, and I can't even say the Democrats started it.
Like, I don't know where the origin is, but each side sees these things and they get super pissed off because they're like, they don't have a right to say that.
They shouldn't be gathering like this.
And then like the, you know, the Democrats at that point were like, dude, they, they were calling every white guy there racist.
They were like, oh, they're trying to take the capital.
I find the idea of a collective of like, I forget what Obama called it or whatever, but you get like, it's like the diverse coalition where you have like the different minority groups and whatnot.
And the idea is like the white man, the evil white man does the oppression and the patriarchy, right?
To all those groups.
And then those groups love each other and are unified against the evil white man.
And that's how we win elections.
Right.
But when you look at it and you look at the groups, the groups themselves don't really like each other.
Right.
And like this guy right here, like this is a Hispanic man.
This is a Hispanic individual.
Hispanic people that are like racially charged and like the La Raza stuff and talk about like the Reconquista of like the southern part of the U.S. Have you ever seen this?
Like I'm, it's actually more overlapping than there's the differences to actually argue over.
They look at, okay, this is how it works because I think I'm qualified to speak about this given that I have a lot of family, friends, been in that ecosystem.
It's almost like, just like we allow Mexicans and like Hispanic people to say the N-word because like they like almost associate them together as minorities.
Like the offense doesn't come there until the white guy comes in.
No, I know, but they found the common enemy, right?
Like that's what ended up happening.
They made the affluent, the guy who's in power situation become like the spearhead of like the main issue about racism.
So like everything that goes on in these debates, whether it's a minority, like Hispanic or black, it's all about like, we got marginalized from the white man.
But if you look at crime statistics, if you look at how these groups interact with each other, like I'll give you a great example when I talk about a coalition.
And it's very interesting that they didn't refer to her and give her the say her name distinction because she was gay.
You know, she was, she was a gay woman, right?
And her background is irrelevant to what happened.
But no, listen to me.
Listen to me here.
This is real.
Um, she was a gay woman, she's part of an identity group, but that doesn't grant her the status of being in that coalition.
Well, here, though, specifically in Texas, there's a there's the you're talking about Connecticut, New York, it's the it's the country, they're they're what I'm saying, but I'm saying why is bad.
I'm saying in the East Coast, the Mexicans that exist there do not think the same way as here in red states, is what I'm telling you.
That's the Democratic, and that's and that's what I was trying to tell you.
I was like, that's where they find common ground.
If you're talking about like the Hispanic who's like a little bit more red or conservative, and not even just that, but like, okay, they're gonna have that thing about the gay people because that's just how that's very interesting.
We're three minutes away from uh eight, so our guest should be ready, and then we'll get into your report and then we'll be over for tonight.
It's gonna be a quick stream, but we're gonna do a great interview, so stay tuned, and we really appreciate all of y'all being here with us tonight.
Um, it's gonna be an exciting year for Gray Area.
Keep in mind, Gray Area is live Monday through uh Friday now.
I'm doing a Monday show and a Friday show solo by myself, and then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it's me and Tim, and then it's me and Tim again on Sunday where we do a longer show with an interview backstage.
No, he's not, he's not.
All right, you want to take the things for a little bit?
Yeah, all right, so we're going to try to figure this out.
You sent him a link to the gray area, I probably just created it live, but we're fixing this now.
It's going to be interesting.
I want to hear from this guy, you know, and thinking about it, like from the southern perspective, thinking about Florida in contrast with Texas.
These are two places that I've always found to be like the people are somewhat similar that live in those places, as in they're very proud of their state and they're very relaxed in their state.
Like, if you're a Floridian, you're likely to stay a Floridian, if you're a Texan, you're likely to stay a Texan and not move.
And there's a lot of that pride there.
I wonder what his theory is on Randy Fine, how much he actually cares about Florida.
And I want to hear how much this guy cares about his home state.
Well, if you're not familiar, I ran in the special election back in January of last year.
Okay.
After Congressman Waltz was originally the national security advisor, now the UN ambassador.
At that point, I had a group of Republicans approach me and they're like, Aaron, this guy is horrible.
And I'm like, oh, it can't be that bad.
He's a Republican, right?
And, you know, turns out not all Republicans are created equal.
Right.
I mean, if you Google what he's best known for, before he was in the U.S. House, he's known as the bully of Brevard, which is the county that he lives in.
And I mean, you Google the bully of Brevard and it says Randy Fine.
When he was in the state house in Florida, he withheld funding from the Brevard Zoo, which was about $2 million because they wouldn't have a political fundraiser at the zoo for him.
Yeah, and it's, you know, it's just a laundry list.
When he had a Zoom court appearance, he gave the judge the middle finger, was held in contempt of court, calling a school board member W-H-O-R-E.
The list went on and on and on when he was in the Florida State House.
And, you know, I was told they were never as happy the day that he left Tallahassee as, you know, that was the happiest day of their life when Randy Fine left Tallahassee.
He's had quite a large influence in congressional politics, at least in the, you know, he's part of that coalition of people that aren't afraid to speak their mind about what they really want, you know, a war.
Well, in Florida, we're very passionate about the environment.
You know, we even, you know, it seems weird to some people as Republicans, but I mean, we want the cleanest air and the cleanest water that we can possibly get.
One thing that I would really like to focus on is infrastructure.
I want to stop spending money in every other country on the planet and spend money here.
It doesn't seem like rocket science, but anymore it really is.
And I just don't get it.
Florida has been overdeveloped to the point where there are areas of this congressional district where if it rains more than an inch and a half, it's flooded.
And what they've done is, you know, originally all these houses were built on grade, and now the new houses are building 18 inches higher.
So what happens?
All the older houses flood and all the newer houses don't flood.
So we have a lot of flooding and infrastructure issues that we really need to address.
On the agriculture level, over the past 25 years, you know, we've lost about 90%, I think it's 91% of our orange groves in the state of Florida.
You know, everybody always thinks, everybody always thinks Florida is kind of what everything Florida is known for.
I mean, my great-grandparents used to own orange groves on US 27 between Haynes City and Dundee.
And the last time I drove down there, I mean, you know, now it's a Chick-fil-A and a shopping center and, you know, a Marshalls and a TJ Maxx and, you know, 27 different restaurants and, you know, medical marijuana shop and, you know, all this stuff that it's not true.
So when I'm in Flagler County, which is like Flagler Beach, Palm Coast, so kind of A little bit of the northern part of the district from where I live.
The last time I was there, or not the last time, but a couple times ago, I had a kid walk up to me and he's like, Aaron, you know, I'm out of high school.
What am I supposed to do here?
There's no long-term industry.
Yeah, I mean, there are some family-owned businesses, but they're, you know, we're so close to the Space Coast.
We have all of the infrastructure in place as far as the railways to be able to transport material back and forth.
It's really something that we need a representative in Congress that understands that and can really take that to the next level of saying, okay, we're just north of the Space Coast.
What industry can we bring here that's going to be able to help the next generation stay here?
So, not to pivot, but you know, I think I've seen you run a lot on this American First policy, just like kind of Fishback has been doing.
And when you say America First, what does that look like to you?
You know, day-to-day, you know, when you're governing, like, what should voters expect you to prioritize in your first year that, like, if you were to get elected?
What's one of our biggest concerns in the state of Florida?
Energy cost.
So, how does that translate to America First?
Well, over the next four years, based on the current trajectory, Floridians are going to pay about 40% more for electric costs.
So, what I would like to do is use the technology that we currently have: clean coal, natural gas, and the turbines are already built where we can produce energy in the next two, three, four years to be able to make up that gap so that we don't have those increases.
We're already going to have 20, 30%, but we need to head that off to before we get to the point of Europe where energy costs is the dominant question on everyone's mind.
We don't want to get there in Florida because it's too darn hot here in the summer.
It gets real hot here is when the grid can't even keep up.
No, no.
And especially ERCOT is widely hated in Texas because of all the grid failures and issues during winter storms and other such high wind events and whatnot.
But for your state specifically, or go ahead, Tim.
Yeah, I mean, you guys deal with not just that, but you guys deal with things like beach erosion.
You've got insurance issues.
Something about, I think I saw reading about a terminal.
Like, you've got a lot of things going on.
And if you were to pick a specific plan, like, how would you, you know, what federal level would federal lever would you use in order to kind of like tackle some of these major issues that are happening, not just around any new bills?
So let me tell you that the first thing that I would like to do: I would like to tackle beach erosion.
Without our beaches, we don't have tourism in this district.
Without tourism, we don't have any of the hospitality stuff.
One thing that we could do on a federal level to ensure long-term funding for beach erosion, because, for example, in one of the counties, they have two options, and they need about $12.3 million a year ongoing to mitigate beach erosion.
So they have two options: raise property tax or raise sales tax.
And that's it.
So it is possible to create a long-term bill to mitigate beach erosion and have the Army Corps of Engineers in charge of that.
That would really be one of the top priorities that protects our future and also protects our citizens in Florida from higher taxes.
Well, I mean, I don't think that there's one person on the planet other than Maduro himself that would argue the point that he was a good person.
Right.
Where you get involved in foreign entanglement was, you know, today the president said, you know, we're going to be there for more than a year.
You know, a reporter asked him, are you going to be there three months, six months, a year?
Oh, no, we're going to be there longer than that.
That's where I'm not into nation building.
We have spent on countless trillions of dollars nation building.
I don't believe we're the world's police.
Okay, you know, there needs to be a coalition between Central and South American countries.
And you have some really strong Central and South American countries.
But, yeah, like Brazil.
I mean, take one of their neighbors and say, okay, how are we going to jointly do this?
I'm not for endless nation building.
I don't think it accomplishes what we want to accomplish.
You know, basically, at this point in our history, we've spent more on nation building than we have on Social Security, than we have on faith, than we have on Medicare, than we have on veterans issues, than we have on building our military.
It's completely unnecessary.
You know, someone asked me the other day, they said, well, you know, 90% of the money that goes to Israel comes back through defense spending in the U.S. to Boeing and other companies.
Okay, that's great.
I would much rather Boeing build the next generation jet, you know, a copy of the Concorde so we can still travel supersonic than all of these endless foreign wars.
Let's build something that makes Americans proud and not keep blowing things up.
And I think that that's what really forward into the future is look at the Republican Party.
Period of my time, I would independent now, but there's a I really wanted to like that and lean in that direction.
And that was because of the things that Trump ran on, like ending the foreign entanglements, you know, bringing back American manufacturing, doing things for the people.
And I think going forward, if you're a Republican candidate and you want to win, you got to be anti-war and you got to be anti-war vehemently.
I mean, this is not a controversial position to say that we shouldn't be funding death or murder anywhere, right?
Now, I've seen you opposing more funding for Ukraine, But you have, you know, provided unconditional support for Israel, which, you know, what is the rule that explains both?
Like, how do you defend it without sounding inconsistent?
Because like, obviously, Ukraine is a very big issue.
And now Israel is a very big issue at the same time where people are trying to conflate those two situations.
So I think that you're looking at something that's older.
If they had elected me the first time, I wouldn't know all the things that I know now.
I wouldn't understand.
If they had elected me a year ago, I wouldn't understand how bad this one Middle Eastern country is and how genocidal their leaders are and how they want to kill everybody.
So I think that you're looking at a much older foreign policy that was written.
I was going to say, and like I had that realization as well, because I didn't know about any of this stuff, but then you find out about it and you're like, wow.
I mean, you just, you know, when you go to church, you're taught that, you know, Israel is our greatest ally, that we have to do exactly what the Bible says, where, you know, this is what we're supposed to do.
And then you start, I read the Bible and then I'm like, well, where does it say, you know, these certain passages?
And you start looking and then you can't find them.
And you understand that certain things have been twisted to fit a certain narrative, but that's not exactly what the Bible says.
Well, so the Bible does not say that we have to support the state of Israel.
It doesn't even refer to Israel as even the nation specifically.
It's referring to Israel as Abraham's seed, right?
And then eventually that becomes the church, right?
I will make you a father of many nations, not just one, right?
So it's been, it's a bastardization of the scripture.
And it's the Schofield Bible, which came around in the early 20th century.
And it's all kind of, it's very sad because like I have boomer grandparents that I love and respect very much, but it's very sad with older people that have been propagandized through this religious system for such a long time to believe in this very, this very weird, like nationalist, but for another country thing that becomes pseudo-religious.
You're a thousand percent correct because, you know, a part of this congressional district encompasses the villages.
And if you're familiar with the villages in Florida, it's the world's largest retirement community.
So you have all of these older boomers and they believe that we have to spend all of our money and treasure taking care of a foreign nation.
And anyone that's my age, I'm 45, my age or younger, I think we've come to the realization, hey, why do we have homeless veterans on Daytona Beach?
And we're sending all of our money 6,500 miles away and it just doesn't stop.
It's endless billions and billions and billions of dollars.
And it's not just foreign aid.
It's the banking system that we've created in the United States.
It's the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve just creates money out of thin air.
If you look at some of the major banks on January the 1st, the Federal Reserve came up with $105.993 billion To provide liquidity to banks in the United States overnight.
And that's the thing is, we're told as American taxpayers, I think the American taxpayer revenue, I think it's like 4.8 or like 5 trillion, whatever it is.
Well, the one thing that I don't like is the poverty rate in this congressional district is three and a half percentage higher than the national average.
We're at 14.6 versus national average is 11.1.
So we have a higher poverty rate.
We still have inflation.
You know, I don't care what anybody, what Washington tells us.
You know, I go to the grocery store.
I have one rescue dog.
So I buy dog food.
I buy dog treats.
They can tell us that things are getting cheaper, but we're the ones that actually have to take our cash to the grocery store and pay for it.
And it's the biggest bunch of horse hockey that you've ever heard in your life.
You know, you can't continue just to tell us the sky is green and we look up and the sky is blue.
We're like, okay.
You know, at some point, we have to stop.
We have to stop the cycle of electing such entrenched special interest people.
And it's, you know, it's there are our congressional candidates in Florida that now we're fighting with the Republican Party of Florida because they don't even want to let us come speak at their meetings.
And it's, yeah, I mean, it's at some point, one of the things that we have to fix is campaign finance.
You know, there's too much money in politics.
I believe personally that every U.S. individual, not corporation, but individual, should be able to contribute $100 per month to whatever congressional or whatever candidate that they want to contribute.
But no individual should be able to contribute, you know, this endless supply of money.
You know, one very famous lady that we all know who we're talking about.
She told President Trump that she would give him $250 million if he wanted to run for a third term.
I have a question based off of that because you're running against fine and he obviously has these giant lobbies and PACs and money offers that are going to him and he's well literally in Gordon by the way.
He's well funded.
And you're kind of starting this grassroot.
If you started getting bigger money offers from like PACs, lobby groups, so on so-called dark money or allies, what do you refuse and what do you accept?
And this is a thing we discover with independent candidates like you, like with Fishback, or really not independent Republican, but running like a more grassroots style campaign.
You guys are the most prepared.
You guys are the most knowledgeable, most on the ball, because you have to be.
So U.S. Code 601 in 611 definitions, it says engages within the United States in political activities for or in the interest of such foreign principle.
So everyone has always said in the past that, oh, well, APAC doesn't need to register as a foreign lobby because it's American money.
I don't give a flying frick if the money came from the moon or if the money came from U.S. citizens.
It is a 100% fact that they engage within the United States in political activities for or in the interest of a foreign principle.
I don't think it's literally got the flag and everything.
And it's crazy to see a congressman like Randy Fine, where if you go to his congressional office, he's got the American flag and then he's got the Israel flag.
I mean, you have a much easier time counting the, I think, so out of 535 members of the House and Senate, I think you have, it's like 492 take money from APAC.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just a crazy, crazy number.
And you're like, how did our government get to this point where we continue to do this?
And if you look at it from a different point of view, so over the last 40 years, if you take every dollar that the Israeli lobby has spent in the United States, they have a return rate of 1,000 to 1.
They get back $1,000 for every dollar that they spend.
And they lobby in plain sight with backbone planes.
And the Saudis are just giving us $600 million deals as if, you know, there aren't small nuances in there for people to get specific contracts to go to specific companies that are owned by this politician or he's in bed with this family member who's also associated with that politician.
Like it's all wrapped up in this one convoluted scheme.
And this is the thing ultimately, like people can make promises for us that run for office and get elected.
But ultimately, if you get in there and then ultimately, it's just like a grift mill.
We want to see people that are open, like you like fishback from the jump saying, hey, this operation's got to end, not just because it's immoral and it's wrong.
It's bad for the country.
And this is why we're not going to have a country anymore.
I mean, my big thing is, everybody says, how are we going to be able to trust you?
Well, do you think I'm going to do any worse?
I'm the one that shows up in the community every single day at every single event.
I would be ashamed to the point of, I would, I mean, I would have to go bury my head in the sand rather than show up at these events and say, oh, I'm sorry that you can't afford gas and you can't afford groceries, but don't worry, I've got $22 million in the bank.
How do you protect yourself from getting absorbed in the swamp?
Because not that you would do this, but I've seen a lot of people go in with good intentions.
And then either the man in the black suit shows up or the system's such a mess that like, you know, it's hard not to just be like, if you can't beat them, join them.
Like, how do you protect, you know, your moral conscience?
So my goal, my ultimate goal is to get three of us to Congress together.
And if we all get elected at the same time and we're all representing the same general area, then we'll be able to work on things and we'll be able to have each other's back to the point of saying, okay, you know, this, this really can work.
You know, I fly back and forth up north all the time.
I fly my Spirit Airlines until they go out of business or they kick me off.
I'm going to keep buying my $68 round trip plane tickets.
That was the first time I have ever heard anyone answer a question like that with like complete honesty, but then also like a legit game plan because everyone else just goes on and be like, well, I just wouldn't get corrupt.
It's just, I'm too strong mentally to just do that.
It can't be that, you know, we keep sending hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people and expecting a different result.
Well, how do we make the result different?
We have to change, we have to change the approach.
So if the approach is, okay, there's going to be a group of us.
And, you know, if I start going out to the Capitol Grill for dinner, Mike and Marcus are going to be like, hey, Aaron, I thought we were supposed to be at Jimmy John's having Philly cheesesteaks tonight.
But, you know, one of the big things, and a lot of people are like, well, how do you, how do you tackle such a behemoth?
How does David beat Goliath?
Go back to the special election.
And in the primary, my cost per vote was about $5 in the primary.
And Mr. Fine's cost per vote in the primary was $100.
So I said that after that happened, I just kept my mouth shut and I didn't say anything between then and the general election because I knew the house was close and we needed to keep that seat.
I wanted to shoot myself.
But I said I needed one of two things.
I either need a lot more time or a lot more money.
So literally, as soon as he got elected, I filed my paperwork the next day.
I sent it to Tallahassee the next day.
I'm like, I'm starting right now and I'm going to go out there.
I'm going to go to every single event that I can possibly go to.
I'm going to get to know every single person across this district.
I'm going to find as many volunteers as I possibly can.
And right now, I'm up to about 60 volunteers already.
You know, the election's six and a half months away.
So we have a plan to be able to knock on 100,000 doors.
Sounds ambitious, but you take 100,000, you divide it by 60.
Well, now you've got, you know, people that need to knock on 1,500 doors.
And you say, okay, well, we've got 20 weeks to do that.
Okay.
So you don't need to knock on that many doors.
You know, it's a simple numbers game because a lot of people think, oh, it takes millions of votes to win a congressional seat.
It doesn't.
The most number of votes that anyone has ever gotten in this congressional seat in a primary was Governor DeSantis when it was his congressional district.
Oh, I was going to say, don't you think he's probably just sitting back vacationing almost like he's got it in the bag and just thinking, you know, no one's going to really be able to compete because I've got APAC behind me.
He's probably needing Trump's endorsement and all that.
I mean, however, if you look at the state of Florida and you look at national politics and you look at the chairman of the Florida Republican Party, the chairman of the Florida Republican Party has done a wonderful job.
I mean, he lost the city of Miami for the first time in 40 years.
Great.
You know, take him out and tar and feather him.
And if you look at on the national level, the RNC chairman who came from Florida, who used to be a state senator, who also used to be, guess what?
If you didn't know that, when they both served in the state legislature together, how many races have we won on a national level as Republicans since President Trump won?
We've won zero governorships.
We lost New Jersey.
We lost all three of the Supreme Court justices in Pennsylvania.
We lost the governor's race in Virginia.
And we barely squeaked by with a congressional win in Tennessee.
That's it.
So we took a Trump plus 28 district in Tennessee and pushed a candidate across the finish line by plus 13 or 14, whatever the final number was.
Part of it comes down to is, you know, we always think that the country is just like completely on one side or the other.
What I'm starting to realize on that silent majority that we talk about, a lot of people are like us where we're kind of like in the middle ground where we're just kind of going for like, we want somebody to just common sense and actually going to fix the issues that we're running, that they were running on and do what they say.
I wasn't expecting, I was expecting for you to be well spoken, but I wasn't expecting some of the answers that I got where they're like very based and like just grounded and just common sense.
And I just keep sit there for the monotony of everything.
Personally, what do I like to do?
I like to read a lot.
I like to learn.
I like to continue.
I like to continue to educate myself.
Usually, not once a month, but once every couple of months, I'll just reread the entire Constitution and there'll be little bits, nuggets in there that you're like, huh, I never thought about something that way.
So, you know, at the end of the day, I just want Florida to be the free state of Florida.
I want my neighbors and my community to feel like, okay, you know, this guy, I might not agree with him on everything.
And I had a guy call me yesterday and he's like, you know, Aaron, I really don't agree with you on foreign policy.
Well, and I won't tell you what his name is, but I said, well, I know you don't.
He said, but I know that if you're our congressman, you'll make sure we're taking care of us.
And that's the country that I grew up in.
I grew up, I was born here in Florida, but I grew up in the first congressional district in Kentucky.
So a very rural area on a 160-acre farm.
And when I grew up, our congressman used to come to our high school and talk to us.
And my grandfather owned a small family business.
He had about 30 employees.
And the congressman would come have lunch every once in a while.
And when my grandfather passed away, congressman came to his funeral.
It was just a point in time where we could respect each other.
I think with our current congressman now in the sixth congressional district, the respect is gone.
I was talking to one of the party officials in one of the counties, and I'm not going to say which because I'm sure it'll get back to whoever.
And this person said, you know, after this last meeting, they'd gotten three calls from people on Congressman Fines staff just absolutely berating this person for allowing myself and the other congressional candidates to speak.
And, you know, if I ever did that or if I ever lost respect for the people, you know, I hope that you put me in a boat and you take me out to the middle of the ocean and you just dump my body and leave me there because if we just need to get back to a point in time where we can respect each other.
And that's the cornerstone of everything you've talked about tonight.
You've talked about, you've talked about where you stand, but at the core of it all, away from it is that you want to be a public servant for your district, for your state, for your country.
And like, that's what we saw with Fishback and it's what we're seeing with other people.
It's so refreshing to hear these things from people who are running for office.
And it gives me hope, honestly, because I've gotten to the point where I'm on the same thought process as you, where the fines, we're just a commodity at the end of the day.
The Randy fines just look at the people as a commodity.
And for you to run this grassroots campaign and actually run on the things that you're doing.
Yeah, I've had one veteran that I've spoken to on three different occasions now that I'm trying to get him help.
And he lives in Daytona Beach.
And he called me one day and he said, Aaron, I have called Congressman Fine's office five times and I have gotten one call back and they just belittle me like.
Nothing we can do about that.
That's not the answer that I'm looking for.
I'm looking for, okay, how can we help?
And if this is not the right person, you know, you have the balls and you pick up the phone and you call the assistant VA secretary and you say, hey, I need some help here.
I've got a constituent in need.
What can we do to make sure this is taken care of?
That's the point that we have to get back to, where we're taking care of the people here.
Yeah, no, I think we actually, I think we want you back on in a couple months, in a few months, once the race is a little bit more developed, we'd love to check back in with you and see how the campaign is going.
I mean, we're really pulling for you, man.
Like you convinced me because I can just tell when someone cares versus when someone doesn't.
So there are many different things that you can do.
You can donate.
You can send me an email to volunteer.
I have a volunteer coordinator that if you click on messaging or privacy or contact, if you click on contact, you know, it brings up all my information.
That's my actual phone number.
Guess what?
If you pick up the phone and you text me or you call me, this is the phone you get.
I mean, every one of these guys we talk to that's independent, grassroots, super based.
Super based, on target, nailing it.
And, you know, like, it's like you say, like, it makes you feel more positive about the future.
And I know there's a lot of black feeling that I do and whatnot, but if we were actually able to, and I think with the show, with the gray area, it would be a cool thing to do.
If we were able to figure out these cool candidates, you know, these people that are coming up, be able to give them a platform, just tell people about them and give that message of, hey, like, we're scouting out.
Like, we want to find people like us that are just running for office.
Of course, if we're so lucky to be graced by someone tonight that lives in or around his area, if you can help this guy out, I mean, any single thing we can do to help a candidate like this that says, hey, you know what?
I promise I'm not going to take foreign money.
I promise, like, I'm against foreign entanglements and stuff like that.
That's what we need to hear.
And with him, with fishback, I mean, Florida's got a lot of good options.
I think they got a lot of good options.
And even Ron DeSantis, and we criticize him, whatnot, like he ran that state real good.
You can't say Ron DeSantis net positive.
Yes, but you've got a big story, Tim.
And even though a little sluggish today, I'm kind of waking up out of the fugue and having a good time.
We have big plans for Gray Area in 2026, and we're a lot old, a lot more motivated.
That's one.
We're also helping us produce and helping us put shortclips.
Phenomenal job at that.
We're trying to do a studio upgrade.
We're in here.
We're trying to, on the technical side, one switch for us remote and not have to do a situation where outside of this room, there would be someone on the computer.
There are apparently ways you can do it virtually now.
We're looking into stuff.
And like, look at that.
That's total honesty.
That's total transparency.
Like, that's it's the company secrets that we've been working on, right?
We got, we got a lot of stuff coming down the pipe.
And specifically, Tim, like, he's figuring out a way to do it and he's going to introduce me to that way to do it.
But we're contacting these smaller, you know, political candidates, these more independent figures across a variety of different genres of punditry, right?
I want to thank the senator from Virginia for leading this effort.
There's likely no issue more important that confronts us as a nation, as a people, as a Congress, than whether or not to send our young men and women to war.
I take a back seat to no one in my disdain and loathing of state-sponsored socialism.
In fact, I wrote a book, The Case Against Socialism, describing the historic link between socialism and state-sponsored violence.
I wish the people of Venezuela well and sincerely hope that they will not repeat the mistake of electing socialists that have plagued the nation since the 1970s.
Whether or not socialism is evil, however, is not the debate today.
The debate today is about one question and one question only: Does the Constitution allow one man or one woman to take the nation to war without the approval of Congress?
Full stop.
That question is bigger than regime change in Venezuela, bigger than the claims that the ends justify the means, bigger even than the depredations and evils that multiple socialist autocrats have perpetrated upon the great, once great country of Venezuela.
Even those who celebrate the demise of the socialist authoritarian regime in Venezuela, as I do, should give pause to granting the power to initiate war.
Ultimately, he's making the point of, hey, a big reason why Congress just kind of mums the word on this sort of thing is because if there's a vote on the floor, their opinion of what they're supporting is actually out there versus keeping it nebulous and having Trump take all the heat for things.
Well, that's fine, right?
Because no one's going to look at a little old old Congress lady or little old senator.
I guarantee you, there's probably that 11 that it would take for two-thirds.
There's some, there's 11 people in that room that are like, damn, I would vote against this, but they're too afraid of what would happen if the thing didn't go through and then they become a traitor and they get pushed out like a MTG.
And not only that, they're literally, they're literally like, I mean, if you remember Elon, it's just like, I'll give unlimited money, like to whatever campaign, as long as it's against X issue.
And I'm just using him as an example, but there are other people like that with vast amounts of political capital.
No provision in the Constitution provides such power to the presidency.
No Supreme Court has allowed the Congress to abdicate its role in the decisions of war and peace.
And no congressman of any self-respect will argue otherwise.
Our leaders debated fully whether or not to grant this power to the president, to a man from Jefferson to Hamilton, the spectrum of our founding fathers.
They all agreed with the words that Madison wrote that the executive is the branch most prone to war, and therefore the Constitution, with studied care, vested that power, vested the power to declare war in the legislature.
Yeah, the whole reason why the Constitution was created, the whole reason why you had these three legislative, these three branches was particularly they were afraid of this happening.
And Trump, in real time, is like, I don't want to say bringing back the monarchy, but he's really showing the presidential powers because before, if I look at it was willing to do it.
No one was willing to do it.
And the same thing, like Biden didn't have a backbone to like not do certain things or like to play hardball when it came to the Ukraine war.
It was just basically bending over backward to taking it.
But when it comes to this, Trump's realizing he's just seeing how far can I go before someone tries to stop me.
And then they have to go vote and introduce it'll take them more time, yeah, to go and bring this all the way to the point where it hits the president's desk where he's able to do anything in between there without it because it's not in law, right?
And then people will hear your point and they'll hear you talk about the Constitution and the checks and balances and it needing to be balanced and this being incorrect and it being a major problem.
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They'll go, Of course, we knew that we know about the Constitution.
It's like the erosion of our system is nearly complete, and people are so happy about it at this point because they've been trained to be happy about it.
Like, this is the only expression of toughness you can have because you're not winning at home, you're not winning at work, you're not winning at life.
But let me give you, go you can go back to us real quick.
We'll come back to this video for sure.
Let me give you guys a quick analogy.
Okay, we do this, we call this an engineering.
So, I work at a site where the site has been there around probably like 40, 50 years.
Okay, a big problem that you have in engineering is when the site first opens up, they have a bunch of standard operating procedures and SOPs, they have a bunch of specific instructions and bill of materials and all these different things that correspond to items that were around or people or systems that were in place during the origin.
40 years later, those systems, some of them are still in place.
And the problem is, is people are working around the system instead of actually addressing that this needs to be corrected.
So, now the company right now is dealing with a lot of these old practices where somebody had an initiative and they decided for some reason this is how it should go.
And it's slowing the business down to where it's not as profitable as it once was.
And once you have that situation, you have to go back and look at: okay, where are my issues?
Things change, society changes, uh, technology advances.
The founding fathers didn't have you know an Apple iPhone in front of them, you know, when they went to go create the Constitution, it was all pen and paper.
So, now that being said, it would take us so much.
Our government is so inefficient, it would take us so much energy just to even amend certain parts of the constitutions or give nuances or to be able to correct certain things.
I'll remember all I'm saying is it's like the systems that we have in place would take so much energy and effort to actually go and change that it's like, what's the point?
And no one wants to spearhead that too without there being a bunch of roadblocks and putting your whole thing on the line because they're meeting people who have made money and it really is just that basic thing: oh, hey, he does the military operation, the war, whatever you call it.
Constantly playing catch-up, and it's like you have legislative, the judicial, and then you have the executive up on this ladder where it can't be touched, it can't be reached.
And for something to happen, they have to climb all the way up there.
It really is the only thing because they're able to, you know, I've seen people come out with a lawsuit and then they're able to freeze things in real time until they actually get through the process.
But the judicial system is also slow.
A lot of these court cases will take even longer than a bill to go through Congress.
So something, something's not right here.
Something is not, something's not adding up.
And Trump sees that.
all of these things are in place.
And so he's like, let me just break things fast so that you don't have enough time to catch up to actually fix it.
And then we forget about the ramifications on what this means for a global stage.
Like even for us to sit here and consider Greenland as like the 51st state and saying that we're going to take control of them and absorb them, even though they're literally part of NATO through Denmark is like, but it is, it is just unfathomable.
I think he got so angry during that time period that like you put a man through court for that long and all these ridiculous lies that he's like, I don't care.
And that's, that's the thing that's so dangerous, though.
And this is the real meta-level stuff on Trump and just post-Trump and where we're headed with that Indianapolis footage and whatnot.
You have he he he created a political movement and he created an extreme element of that movement that was matched by the left or you could say the left was there and he matched it, whatever you want to say.
And now we're seeing these things like the prosecution and persecution of Trump, kabuki theater, like not legitimate stuff.
They call him Russian agent.
He wasn't a Russian agent.
They said he overvalued the Mar-a-Lago property and tried to him in jail for that.
The indictments, I think we can largely say that that's bs.
But people still believe, including a lot of people in that Minneapolis crowd they believe that he's a Putin agent imperialist, Nazi.
People are also talking and even in that four hours of sleep, you may not even get that four hours because they're doing some military operation over halfway across the world.
Hold on, maybe they do actually give everyone baby blood or something right like the adrenaline.
Like this is a known conspiracy theory because like, how do you function, even with Biden?
Right, we saw a lot of different Bidens.
You'd see Biden, he'd come out and he'd be like yeah, and you see Biden come out and be like I am uh activated, I am Joe Biden, like the Terminator, with like the whites of his eyes showing and all of that.
And then you see Trump, and it's just not the same Trump that we're used to, number one.
But there are moments where, like we watched the Uh press conference he gave after the Venezuela strike and he's reading off the paper, he's like yeah, no.
But then when the reporters are asking questions, he comes to life.
He's like yeah, he better watch his ass, you know.
So like there's still some energy there, but it's so drained and it's so misdirected.
And I mean obviously, like we've said on the show, like we think he's covering stuff up.
Right, it's not just the covering up, but I think his energy and effort is so spread like just take a step back and look at how many things are all going on at once at the same time.
I don't even know, I can't even keep up with the news, but somehow he is like involved in the things, just like an Elon Musk running like 20 companies and and different stuff.
I think he would get a lot further if he tried the uh, the uh Xi Jinping method where you just transplant.
Not that big heart.
It's more so you strategically uh operate and you and you say things when you need to and you say it in a presidential way and then you attack when necessary.
That's the whole the whole time we forget that China has been quietly building their arsenal and they've silently been hitting hinting and making it very clear to everybody.
And he just came out like a week or two ago saying we will be taking uh Taiwan.
And yes, and they're unified and we're not ultimately, you can look at their government and criticize it and say all manners of things about it.
Ultimately, what do we have here?
Every four years, we might get a new crackhead in charge, right?
And then the Congress and the Senate are all bought off by the special interest groups, which prioritize foreign governments and then their own investments over the Americans they're supposed to serve versus China, where, yeah, you got a social credit score and you got censored internet, but the government is actually building a country for you and trying to do business for you.
So like it's a thing as to where everything that Trump promised and didn't deliver on, the left-wing, the communist, they will promise it too, and the young people will believe it.
I think there are certain countries, and for example, I'll give an example for like India that are showing that you can gain power, you can make money, you can be have an amazing GDP without like destroying everything in your path, right?
Like if you look at how a country like India operates, they're either like third or fourth in terms of GDP, and their purchasing power per capita is like pretty good for the average person.
Like a lot of Indians, like you go there, they're living good lives.
A lot of people are happy with their government overall as far as what motivates.
Mass killings and a lot of the stuff that was created.
And you can say that these colonialists had a good part to deal with a lot of the mess that was created in those environments, creating arbitrary borders and all these different things.
But I'm just saying, you look at India.
They're making money and they don't require to dominate another country in order to do it.
You do it off of pure merit.
And I'm saying we have enough brain power here in the United States.
We have enough money.
We have enough resources to actually do it the correct way and cooperate.
And the last thing I'll say is that like because Russia and China don't really see like India as a threat, India gets to grow naturally without having like these natural enemies that like are trying to see them fall or they're not interested in like being the biggest baddest wolf.
But those, I guarantee you one thing, China will probably surpass the United States, but then at a certain point, India is probably going to be number two in terms of GDP.
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