Oct. 31, 2025 - Gray Area - Rex Jones & Tim Tompkins
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| InfoWars as a brand is extremely valuable. | ||
| The name is valuable. | ||
| The trademark is valuable. | ||
| Even though we don't trademark our content, that's actually a threat that the bad guys could do. | ||
| It's like they could issue takedown orders and say this is copyrighted material from InfoWars. | ||
| We are InfoWars if they buy the company. | ||
| That would be a big threat. | ||
| It is a standard, you know, and that is important. | ||
| It is a symbol. | ||
| It is a, like, you know, Alex compares it to the golden eagle of the Roman Legion. | ||
| And like, if you know anything about Roman history, they would literally send armies to recapture standards. | ||
| Like it wasn't a small deal. | ||
| It was like the entire country was in shame until they recaptured those standards. | ||
| So, you know, and there's something powerful about that. | ||
| And the name Infowars, the logo, InfoWars, it is a standard. | ||
| And that's not, that's not diminishing its consequence. | ||
| It's like, you know, elevating it to its problem. | ||
| Yeah, it makes it become more legendary. | ||
| It matters ultimately. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The problem is the problem they're running into, and the reason this is so unbelievably and unprecedentedly complicated is because they're using the law in a way it's not supposed to be used. | ||
| The law is designed specifically to deal with monetary damages, usually having to do with like what you would think of when I say defamation. | ||
| If somebody is telling everybody, hey, don't go shop at that grocery store. | ||
| I got food poisoning from there. | ||
| And this, you know, grocery store says, hey, when they started saying that, we lost 20% of our customers. | ||
| You know, they owe us that difference because they defamed us falsely. | ||
| That's sort of what the law was written for. | ||
| And it can get complicated, but that in its essence. | ||
| So they don't want monetary damages from us. | ||
| They want to destroy us. | ||
| And so they're trying to like destroy the thing that they're actually legally supposed to be building up because the idea is that if you go into bankruptcy and everything, so the idea is the law is designed to maximize payout. | ||
| When the magician is like waving a flag in the air, you should be looking at his other hand, right? | ||
| It just, the Alex Jones trial has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. | ||
| It has nothing to do with anything that happened around Sandy Hook. | ||
| It has nothing to do with getting money from Alex Jones. | ||
| It has nothing to do with what he owes or what he doesn't know. | ||
| It's just, you know, all of that is the distraction. | ||
| All of that is the smoke and mirrors. | ||
| The reality is they are just trying every hook and crook they can imagine to destroy InfoWars and steal it from Alex in order to destroy it. | ||
| Harrison, how are you doing tonight? | ||
| I'm doing all right. | ||
| How are you fellas? | ||
| We are doing great. | ||
| We're doing phenomenal. | ||
| I was just over at my grandparents' place and some people from the office were over there doing the little Halloween celebration. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
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Oh, nice. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then we came back to do the show. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| I've some sort of crazy stomach bug has been burning through my family for the last 72 hours. | ||
| So yeah, I might not be the highest energy here, but I'll give it all I've got. | ||
| No, it's okay. | ||
| Man, you got a lot of swords. | ||
| I never noticed that. | ||
| Yeah, I go more for quality than quantity, but yeah, I got a good amount. | ||
| Dude, that's pretty badass. | ||
| I got to be honest with you. | ||
| I never noticed that. | ||
| I've seen a lot of your streams, but I never noticed. | ||
| So how was War Room today? | ||
| Were you there for that? | ||
| I don't do Warros. | ||
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It's Sunday. | |
| Forgive me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's Sunday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get things coming out like that. | ||
| Sorry about that, but we've just been talking about the news. | ||
| We've been talking about Venezuela specifically. | ||
| I've seen a lot of people predicting early, early conflict in that area. | ||
| Do you think that's going to happen soon? | ||
| What's your take on what Trump's doing down there? | ||
| It definitely seems like it's going to, something's going to happen soon. | ||
| Either it's going to be conflict or some sort of, although I don't know, it looks like it's going to be conflict because Maduro is basically capitulated on almost everything, but not everything. | ||
| And the U.S. still hasn't accepted it and just sent an aircraft carrier group down. | ||
| So I think it's expanding. | ||
| I think it's accelerating. | ||
| I think we'll probably see some fireworks one of these days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was just, I was thinking about all the little jihadis that we love so much over in the Middle East, you know, like the wind-up toys, the people that we recruited, like Al-Qaeda and ISIS and all those fine folks that now run Syria. | ||
| It's just, you got to think about the amount of like paramilitary groups in Venezuela, right? | ||
| All the little like goodies for us to make deals with. | ||
| Like, it's probably what they're looking for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, here, here's the fun part. | ||
| They're the same groups. | ||
| That's the real fun part. | ||
| Even better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, Harrison, what do you think the macro level argument of why we're even doing this in the first place? | ||
| Like, it's the drugs. | ||
| The 10,000-foot view. | ||
| Do you think it's the drugs? | ||
| Do you think it's the oil? | ||
| What do you think is the real cause of why we're in there? | ||
| It's not the drugs, but it's the drugs is what they say. | ||
| It's the narrative. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think it's the drugs. | ||
| I don't, you know, it's kind of hard to put your finger on. | ||
| They've wanted this for a very long time to an almost comical degree. | ||
| Like, I think it was during Trump's first administration that one of his like main guests at the State of the Union was the previous iteration of the woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize. | ||
| Yeah, they want her really bad. | ||
| They want her really bad. | ||
| Well, right before her, I think was a guy, I want to say his name was Juan Gallardo or something like that. | ||
| And Trump introduces him at the State of the Union in like 2018 or something and is like, the actual president of Venezuela is here. | ||
| Like, give us a round of applause. | ||
| So like they've been wanting to, you know, put a puppet on the throne for a decade at this point. | ||
| Why they're doing it now. | ||
| I mean, I, you know, I hate to be that guy, but I can't help but think it has something to do with Israel, possibly a little bit to do with what's going on, because Iran has close ties to Venezuela and there's supposedly Hezbollah all over Venezuela, like training the Venezuelans. | ||
| And they're almost like following that model in a way. | ||
| So, and I've heard there's like some, there's some island called like La Margarita that is just like literally a Hezbollah like place, like headquarters there. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| And it's funny because I heard that from like Hezbollah news sources. | ||
| Like I, that's how I know that. | ||
| And then I said that at one point, people are like, oh, that's a Mossad talking point. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't hear anybody saying that. | ||
| Everything I hear is about the drugs or some people are talking about the rare earth minerals or the oil. | ||
| I've heard the oil is not high quality, but maybe wanting to deprive China of that. | ||
| And I think there's there are valid geopolitical, you know, risk style reasons to want to try to drive out China. | ||
| But I don't know if those rise to the level of what we're seeing with Venezuela. | ||
| But what do you so here's my thing? | ||
| We go in there. | ||
| We have all these ships parked around, but most of them are like special operations ships, like quick strike ships. | ||
| We've got a bunch of like smaller helicopters and whatnot. | ||
| We've also got, you know, the jets and the missiles and the 5,000 people stationed in Puerto Rico, I believe, as well as like 5,000 Marines that are like actively in that area of the world, like right now on the water. | ||
| But at the end of the day, what happens? | ||
| We go in there, we strategically, quote unquote, take out the leadership, kind of like the Israelis tried to do like in Doha, like with like a big strike somewhere where we know they're all gathered. | ||
| Like we just decide to like hit the button one day. | ||
| We're like, we're doing this now. | ||
| Like we're going to go in there. | ||
| Like we're going to take out that Congress that doesn't like us. | ||
| I could see them doing something like that because the Israelis have really set the profile for like prior to the Gaza conflict. | ||
| You'd say something like that is unthinkable. | ||
| But I think it's totally thinkable now to say like, hey, they're all drug dealers. | ||
| This is an arco-terrorist state. | ||
| We've got to lock on his office right now. | ||
| We know where he is. | ||
| We're going to send the missile. | ||
| I think that's kind of likely. | ||
| I think that's what we'll do. | ||
| Also, China has pretty deep ties to Venezuela. | ||
| Yeah, they love them over there and they've poured in and they're the ones that want to build all those all of those offshore drilling platforms. | ||
| Yeah, they've invented some crazy like floating oil rig that they're trying the new technology out there. | ||
| But you're right, Harrison. | ||
| I don't think oil is the play because we have enough oil here domestically in Texas that we've been opening that up since the Biden administration. | ||
| So there's no reason for us to go for that. | ||
| I heard another interesting story. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm like my father. | ||
| I just can't stop. | ||
| I heard one more interesting point. | ||
| And I'll let you just give us what you really believe on this. | ||
| I heard that both Argentina and Venezuela, one of those places we basically control already with Malay, I heard they have massive aquifer resources and a lot of fresh water. | ||
| So I had heard this and I was like, that's kind of interesting. | ||
| But what do you think about all this? | ||
| I hadn't thought too much about that. | ||
| It's also awfully close to Antarctica, isn't it? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Now that I think about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think Venezuela, I think the ideal outcome for the Trump administration would be like the like so much pressure and there would have to be some amount of like hardcore action on the ground. | ||
| But basically to have Maduro replaced and ideally probably like tried by his own people and executed like Saddam was. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Because I think, I don't know, I'd have to look into it a little bit more when it comes to Maduro himself because it seems like the strategy is just Maduro is the bad guy. | ||
| And then the other thing that I've heard, and this is from Patrick Byrne when he was on my show, is that there's a there is a literal cartel that just sort of is the Venezuelan government and they're like kind of in extraction. | ||
| Oh, they're going to die. | ||
| They're going to get. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I think, you know, when they're going after the cartel in Venezuela, they're going after the government of Venezuela. | ||
| It's like the cartel is called like the suns, the generals of the sun or something, like S-U-N. | ||
| And in Venezuela, the generals all have like a sun appaulet on their shoulder. | ||
| So it's like, okay, the military is literally this cartel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So yeah, and in terms of oil, it would be, you would make money from it, but it would also be about depriving, yeah, depriving China's taking advantage of it. | ||
| And China's, you know, makes big moves against South America and has for a while. | ||
| Like Trump never has never liked Naya Bukele because China helped pay for a lot of some of the big infrastructure that El Salvador has done. | ||
| I think they help pay for like their library and stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they've done a lot of that. | ||
| But that's the China's play. | ||
| They're propping up a lot of these third world, second world countries with the loans because they know as soon as they own they have the loans, they own these people. | ||
| They're doing the same thing in Africa. | ||
| They're just basically going around for the smaller ecosystems that they feel like they can extract resources from. | ||
| So I get that perspective. | ||
| And Bukele, yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Well, yeah, they're and they're doing it explicitly to contradict like the way that America does things. | ||
| Like they're doing it in a way to seem as generous and as giving as possible, but it is not their intention. | ||
| Bukele is like a real smooth operator, like to be able to work with the U.S. and China and get something out of both of them. | ||
| I mean, that dude, I mean, El Salvador, I always thought was, you know, like a horrific place to visit with all the crime and whatnot. | ||
| But I've known multiple people that have gone over there now and they say it's great. | ||
| Now, of course, it's great because they got the giant prison, but you have to walk around on your hands and knees all day. | ||
| That's the only activity they let you do there. | ||
| I mean, it's a real thing as to where like we had Gitmo, and then now we have somewhere to send people. | ||
| It's not even in the U.S. or U.S. territory. | ||
| So, all in all, the Venezuela stuff, I've just seen more and more people on like Judge Napolitano's channel and Dialogue Works talk about it and talk about it being imminent. | ||
| And I've heard reporting from other people too. | ||
| But what do you think about the war in Iran? | ||
| Does that start before the end of the year? | ||
| Does that happen later? | ||
| Or does that happen at all? | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| That is another good question. | ||
| It's definitely going to happen. | ||
| I mean, I think it's going to happen at some point. | ||
| I think this would be a question I'd want to put to Lebanon John, my co-host on Moonbase Live, because, you know, when you start an operation, you know, is determined by what part of the year it's in. | ||
| So I'm trying to think of like, would they want to start something big over winter or would that even matter with the style of attack it would be? | ||
| You know, I genuinely don't know. | ||
| And I don't know if they know. | ||
| I think that Trump has seriously started to push back on Israel. | ||
| And as much as some of the stuff could be seen as like symbolic or cover or sort of letting the Israelis off the hook or giving them a pass or whatever it is, clearly the war is not ending in a way that Israel wants or is sort of at the head of and dictating the well, I mean, everyone underestimated the Iranians, right? | ||
| They said, hey, like, I mean, Israel was the first strike in the war and it's all about, hey, we're going to decapitate their military leaders. | ||
| So they don't have the ability to have a command structure. | ||
| And then all the people here are actually Persians and they love us anyway. | ||
| Just let us strike the country and we'll figure it out pretty pleased. | ||
| And then Iran is like, okay, we're going to send hundreds and hundreds of these missiles at you. | ||
| And even if you shoot all of them down or most of them down, some are still going to get through. | ||
| Don't they have hypersonics? | ||
| Yeah, they have hypersonic missiles. | ||
| And this is the key mistake, it seems, in the U.S. military. | ||
| After World War II, no one ever thought about messing with a country that had like 22 or whatever the number is aircraft carriers. | ||
| Like that amount of firepower that you're able to quickly deploy with the missiles and whatnot and the payloads they're able to carry now. | ||
| No, everyone's like, yeah, we're just going to let America do what they want. | ||
| And that's why most of our bases are focused around that across the world. | ||
| But these other countries, they said, look, we don't have the money for aircraft carriers or fighter jets that are going to be comparable. | ||
| We can start building missiles, though, rocket equal cheap. | ||
| So they started building these systems and it doesn't take all that much money and they can shoot down or they can shoot something that we have to shoot down. | ||
| And then we pay like 20, 40, 50% or 50 times more to destroy the thing with like a million plus dollar system than they did with just some little rocket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Iran has literal cities underground full of rockets. | ||
| Like they have underground rocket systems. | ||
| They've been working on this one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, they've been stockpiling forever. | ||
| And, you know, it's hard to say what exactly it's hard to say what exactly the future of war even looks like. | ||
| Because yeah, I mean, Iran has hypersonic missiles that you can't stop. | ||
| The Iron Dome is extremely expensive to operate and could easily be overwhelmed. | ||
| I mean, that's why everything that Israel does is only able to be accomplished under the purview of America will kick your ass if you try to retaliate. | ||
| So brother. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, but that is also predicated on the Samson option and Israel having nukes, you know, like Alex always says they have them. | ||
| Here's the thing I have with nukes. | ||
| Like, I know everyone talks about them. | ||
| Russia's like, we've got them. | ||
| We'll use them. | ||
| We'll use them. | ||
| But the thing is, is like, okay, let's be real, guys. | ||
| Across all of these, you know, nuclear powers, no one's stupid enough to do them the mass, you know, the mutual destruction, right? | ||
| Everyone has enough common sense not to do that. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Even if Iran has, even if Iran has them, right? | ||
| I mean, Pakistan has them too. | ||
| They're not going to use that. | ||
| No one wants to be the first one to actually decide to blow themselves up because there's no amount of, you know, all of those places are close to each other. | ||
| You know, nuclear fallout doesn't just happen local. | ||
| It travels thousands of miles. | ||
| So no one's stupid enough to pull that. | ||
| So I hate when you know the nuclear button is always the thing that's just could happen though, right? | ||
| I mean, like, you look at what the Ukrainians did, for example. | ||
| They attacked part of Russia's nuclear triad and like they attacked their bombers. | ||
| And that's something that in their code they are supposed to go to war over and respond with such kind of force as was used against them. | ||
| But Harrison, like maybe Tim is right. | ||
| Like we saw them do nothing, right? | ||
| We didn't see them do anything after that. | ||
| Like, so the only time Russia has responded with a weapon that can carry a nuke was when they first started doing those long-range strikes. | ||
| It must have been like close to two years ago. | ||
| Yeah, with Biden, it gave them authorization. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they used the Orechnik missile, which is a MERV, a multiple like re-entry weapon, and it drops multiple of multiple payloads from one rocket. | ||
| They shot that. | ||
| And after that, there was no more, there was no more escalation. | ||
| So maybe we'll see that start to happen again. | ||
| What do you think, Harrison? | ||
| Yeah, in terms of, well, when it comes to the Middle East, the nuclear threat is that Israel has submarines off, you know, lurking off the coast of Europe and pretty much every major city and could launch from there. | ||
| So, and that would be, you know, it's the Samson option. | ||
| It's like the last ditch. | ||
| Tell them about it, Harrison. | ||
| Tell them about the Samson option. | ||
| Well, the Samson option is a doomsday machine. | ||
| It's the doomsday device. | ||
| It's, yeah, Israel has nuclear weapons and subs sort of strategically placed around the world. | ||
| And if Israel goes down, then they'll bomb every capital, basically. | ||
| It's loving and if I go down, you come down with me. | ||
| Yes, literally, yes. | ||
| And think about the gall of this, the balls, the nerve, really, of all this. | ||
| But they go, look, we may have nukes. | ||
| We may not. | ||
| We're not going to tell you if we have nukes or not. | ||
| But we do have this thing called the Samson option where we'll launch the nukes that we may or may not have at any time to defend ourselves if we're existentially threatened. | ||
| So I mean, yeah, I mean, and the people making that like literally we will blow up the whole world with nukes threat wants us to go to war with Iran because they might get nukes. | ||
| And they might have one in the future. | ||
| Because imagine the type of people like Iran having nukes. | ||
| It's like, you just threatened to bomb the whole fucking world. | ||
| What could Iran do that's worse than that? | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And the thing about the bunker busters that we were talking about, you know, we're trying to act like Iran wasn't prepared for something like this already. | ||
| We don't actually have probably that level of detail intel to know how deep their you know tunnels go. | ||
| And they probably pulled a lot of stuff out of the mountains. | ||
| Yeah, they probably pulled a lot of that stuff out already before we even bombed, but it was good posturing for us. | ||
| That's the narrative about the war coming up next: is where is the enriched uranium? | ||
| Because they did get some out of there. | ||
| But go ahead, Harrison. | ||
| Well, no, well, that is the weird part: is that like a lot of the Middle East is kind of like open play acting. | ||
| It's really strange. | ||
| Like between Iran and Israel, there was a time, I think it was after an Iranian leader was assassinated in Syria, I think is what it was. | ||
| Because, you know, for the last two years, Israel has been assassinating people all through Syria and Iran and Qatar and everywhere. | ||
| And there was a big exchange, and it came out later that it was all play acting. | ||
| It was Iran telling Qatar, who told America, here's where the missiles are going to be. | ||
| Here's when they're going to be fired, and nothing got through. | ||
| Then the next time, some things did get through, but our bombing of Iran, I'm fairly sure, was not a complete surprise to them. | ||
| And they'd either gotten stuff out or it had never been there. | ||
| Had a long, you know, warning time before that. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then, like, the response, it's all like choreographed. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| It's very weird that they do this and then sort of say that they did it. | ||
| Like, it wouldn't be, you know, it's one thing if you're like, oh, we fired missiles, but they stopped them, darn it. | ||
| But then later, you know, they'll be like, yes, we were in communication with Iran about when and where the missiles are going to be. | ||
| And it's like, why do it if you're just going to explain it later? | ||
| That's why it's, that's why it's hard to say how the war in the Middle East is going to be because it's like it's impossible to fucking know, man. | ||
| I couldn't have predicted the pager attack against Hezbollah, right? | ||
| So there's like, that was nuts. | ||
| And they gave him a golden pager. | ||
| They gave Trump a golden pager. | ||
| I mean, it's so sick. | ||
| And like, what that's a celebration of death, number one, that's what you're gifting him. | ||
| And like congratulating him in some part for his complicity in it. | ||
| So at the end of the day, it's the Star Wars narrative that always gets painted. | ||
| They do it about Ukraine a lot, but they do do it about Israel. | ||
| And, you know, it's the evil terrorist living in a cave with the bomb in the AK-47. | ||
| And he had a pager that he was using to commit his crimes. | ||
| We put a bomb in it. | ||
| These are people with families. | ||
| And like a kid holds the pager, boom, lose a leg, lose an eye. | ||
| And there are cases of this. | ||
| But, you know, everything's justified in war. | ||
| The Ukrainian press gangs for Little Zelensky, where they throw the young men in the truck and then send them to the front line. | ||
| It's all justified. | ||
| Do you think that we'll ever deploy troops in any one of these conflicts, Harrison? | ||
| What your approximation? | ||
| What's your view on that? | ||
| I do not think Trump is ever going to deploy troops for the sake of the Greater Israel Project. | ||
| I think that's a red line for him. | ||
| I think he'll sell them weapons. | ||
| I think he'll give them weapons. | ||
| We are putting 200 troops as a like management force in Gaza, which I'm actually in favor of because I don't want because who else is going to do it, the IDF, right? | ||
| It kind of has to be us. | ||
| Because I don't think they'd let Turkey in either, but that would be the other option. | ||
| And I wouldn't want NATO, you know, it's like, okay, that should be us. | ||
| That should be American troops if, you know, if there needs to be anybody better than the UN or NATO or anybody else I can think of. | ||
| So no, I don't, I don't think troops are. | ||
| And that was always my red line. | ||
| And always what I said about Trump. | ||
| I know how pro-Israel he is. | ||
| I don't like it, but he will never commit troops on the ground in the Middle East for the Greater Israel Project. | ||
| And that is a prerequisite, is a necessary ingredient of the Greater Israel project, a Greater Israel project. | ||
| Like they cannot take on Iran. | ||
| They cannot conquer all of Syria. | ||
| I mean, they can destroy it and destroy a lot of it, but like to take out Iran, you need boots on the ground, more boots on the ground than Israel can or certainly is willing to supply. | ||
| And I don't think Trump's willing to do that. | ||
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| And the thing about it is like the boots on the ground situation. | ||
| You see what happened in Europe, especially, I think it was France when they flirted with the idea of committing troops and you just saw the protests and the riots and people were like, hell no. | ||
| And, you know, every they backed off. | ||
| They were like, oh, we're just kidding. | ||
| We're not actually serious about this. | ||
| So, I mean, the same thing could happen here. | ||
| It's like, I know there's going to be, you saw the no kings protest. | ||
| Imagine boots on the ground and they're just going to be like, what happened to Afghanistan? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What happened to, you know, Syria? | ||
| What happened to all these other things that you said, okay, I'm going to create peace. | ||
| But ultimately, I know everyone talks about the Middle East and I'll toot this horn till I die. | ||
| I think Taiwan is the play that creates World War III. | ||
| Like I, that's the little silent tiger that's going on in the background that like we need those chips. | ||
| We're already moving assets out there. | ||
| China's basically said by 2030, I think like that we're taking this land. | ||
| And think about what that has the potential to do to the global economy as well. | ||
| If we get forced out of Taiwan or something happens, if they just like they're there one day, they're on the beach and they're just going to take over the place. | ||
| I think that there are controls and commands in place to blow up the sophisticated facilities. | ||
| That's actually going to play. | ||
| That's definitely what we'll do. | ||
| And then we don't have the ability. | ||
| Maybe that's why he's putting all the money into chip building over here, even Biden. | ||
| If they do this and there isn't a resource for that anywhere in the world, but we're the only ones that can make it again because those Thailand people that work in those plants are apparently on our side. | ||
| You know, like there's a lot of like really weird things that could trigger the next collapse. | ||
| What to you screams this is going to be the next thing? | ||
| Is it the inflation? | ||
| Is it the Taiwan situation? | ||
| Is it the war? | ||
| What is it for you, Harrison? | ||
| What do you believe? | ||
| I don't think Taiwan is necessarily going to be the flashpoint because I think that it's, I mean, until we actually get the chip making factories up and running. | ||
| And these things are insane. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I, if it's like possible for me to understand some of the things that they do. | ||
| Like it is, it is genuinely unbelievable, like down to the atomic level has to be precise. | ||
| So, you know, I don't think that we'd be willing to blow that up. | ||
| I don't think China would be willing to blow that up. | ||
| And I think China is just waiting us out. | ||
| I don't think China wants to start a fight. | ||
| And if I was China, I wouldn't want to start a fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| America's already winning. | ||
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| Look at the look at the trajectories. | ||
| As long as nothing changes, we're going to fizzle out and they're going to continue to conquer. | ||
| So I don't know if they would. | ||
| Russia and China together. | ||
| India. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Nations. | ||
| We've driven Russia, China, and India together, three places that have historically hated each other, but now they're friends because they have a common enemy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is an inexplicably bad strategic decision by the masters of the new world order. | ||
| Like it has to be malice. | ||
| There's no way that it was like an accident that you drive China into the or Russia into the arms of China if you think that China is going to be this big existential threat, which they obviously are more so than any other group. | ||
| So that had to be deliberate because they're deliberately trying to destroy us. | ||
| And again, I think, you know, I think the struggle between Israel and the Trump administration is like the great untold story of this last year. | ||
| And it has been about a year, right? | ||
| When he got elected in November's, well, even before that, but it's been a, it's been sort of an underreported area of friction that I don't know if people realize like how big the implications of these things are because they're not earthquake things, right? | ||
| It's not like a Watergate level scandal where like it becomes the top story, but it's the type of thing that normally never gets reported on or just works. | ||
| And so you never really hear about it. | ||
| And it's stuff like SignalGate, which SignalGate was a pretty big story, but like the real story of it was that Mike Waltz was in communication with Netanyahu pre-gaming before Netyahu met Trump. | ||
| He was like a traitor for Netanyahu and he leaked the signal chat to like another Zionist guy that's the head of the editor. | ||
| He's the editor of the Atlantic magazine to leak the signal chat to try to oust Pete Hegseth because he was resisting war with Iran. | ||
| And like, so this has been like a theme. | ||
| And then like JD Vance is having, or it was either Vance or Hegseth, Dan Caldwell, this guy I was tweeting about today because I was sort of researching some of this stuff. | ||
| But people who were anti-war with Iran got fired, were subject to like, you know, scandals that ousted them. | ||
| And then I think it really accelerated recently. | ||
| And I don't know if the timing is like coincidental around the assassination of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I also think it might. | ||
| Like I think the propaganda front for Israel has been super dire for a while now. | ||
| And Charlie Kirk and then getting blamed for Charlie Kirk was like a double whammy for them, whether they did it or not. | ||
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| So like assuming they're completely innocent, you just have like your number one propaganda guy in America who was the spearhead of your massive new propaganda push on the eighth front. | ||
| He just died and now everybody's blaming you. | ||
| So I think maybe they took and they should have, if they were wise, they would have taken a look at things and gone, all right, we got to change tactic here. | ||
| Seems like they've just doubled down on the propaganda, which is retarded, but in line with the previous pattern of behavior. | ||
| And that was when, you know, Trump really started to push for Gaza, got this Gaza Peace deal that Israel obviously doesn't like, is sort of holding Israel's feet to the fire. | ||
| I mean, you never hear Trump make hardcore definitive statements about foreign policy, especially when it comes to Israel, especially if it's not in Israel's favor. | ||
| And yet multiple times he has reasserted they are not taking the West Bank. | ||
| And then they hold this vote saying they are going to take the West Bank. | ||
| And JD Vance gives an interview where he's like, that is a personal insult. | ||
| And I take it as such. | ||
| And that's not going to happen. | ||
| And then Trump issued another. | ||
| So like, okay, it's not, we're not like conducting regime change in Israel like some people, including perhaps myself would want. | ||
| We're not embarked on a new crusade by any means. | ||
| But the fact that Trump is sparring with Netanyahu in public, Trump saying you are not taking the West Bank and then Yahoo saying, well, we're an independent country. | ||
| We can do what we want. | ||
| I mean, these represent like major fractures that require either a unbelievably giant false flag, which I hate to think is the next thing, but it probably would be. | ||
| We have our soldiers over there now. | ||
| I think it'd be bigger than that. | ||
| I think the thing is, like when I, when I try to like play it out of my head, even 9-11 wouldn't be big enough this time. | ||
| It would have to be something because it wouldn't be like COVID. | ||
| COVID was unique because it was so subtle. | ||
| It was an invisible enemy. | ||
| It was people forcing it on each other. | ||
| And it was slow and it was a slow burn. | ||
| I think something that just, I hate to say it, it would have to be like a nuke going off in a city. | ||
| It has to be something so crazy that like, despite all of the shit we've been through, it'd be at the level where people just go, I got to listen to the government because like I'm going to die if I don't kind of thing. | ||
| It has to be such a level. | ||
| That would be very effective too, but it's the initial cost of doing something like that. | ||
| It changes the world forever. | ||
| So, you know, maybe they are like, as Tim was saying earlier, I believe that you were really right about that. | ||
| And now that I think about it, just for a few more minutes here. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Just, you know, the cost of using a nuclear weapon or anything. | ||
| Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense, especially if you're just talking about defending. | ||
| But if there's nothing left to defend, what's the point? | ||
| Well, I mean, my thinking is like what Harrison's saying is they could set one off against themselves and then say that Iran did it. | ||
| I think it's a really big bomb. | ||
| It's not nuclear where you've got the radioactive fallout, but let's say like you've got like a cruise missile that like clears out like four blocks or something. | ||
| I think it shows up in Russia, you know, first. | ||
| And I think it'll just be more of those like medium range ballistic missiles. | ||
| Like they're going to get more of those storm shadows from the people from Britain. | ||
| The British are going to send them more storm shadow missiles. | ||
| And they're not just sending the missiles anymore, as I'm sure you know, Harrison. | ||
| They're sending the people with them to like do the guidance system and whatnot. | ||
| Those are British soldiers or British intelligence. | ||
| So I think that if they send a lot of those into Russia, they're going to get met with a response with the Arreshniks, not just in Ukraine. | ||
| Think like a place like Germany or a place like a manufacturing center over there, I think that would be highly likely to get hit. | ||
| And I think that that's where we'd see those weapons used first. | ||
| I mean, what we've seen so far has been false flags against Poland using drones and missiles. | ||
| Yeah, because, you know, all you really need is that Article 5 invocation. | ||
| All you need is a deliberate attack on one of the NATO allies. | ||
| So, I mean, that's such an easy false flag to pull off. | ||
| I mean, they've actually done it a few times. | ||
| It just hasn't worked exactly. | ||
| They've been either caught or it's been foiled. | ||
| Apparently, I was trying to look into this. | ||
| I can't find any stories about it, but there are a few. | ||
| Apparently, they like have the guy who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. | ||
| yeah Germany wants to try them but they're not extraditing them because they're basically like we sent that guy I guess Yeah, they're basically like, it was war, so it wasn't a crime. | ||
| So we're not extraditing him for trial. | ||
| Yeah, you know, that's such a crazy narrative. | ||
| When I looked it up, they just say like a Ukrainian crew blew it up. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| And it describes like an, it describes like a Navy SEAL diving mission. | ||
| And it's like, oh, yeah, you know, like, we definitely helped out here. | ||
| We're definitely a part of this situation. | ||
| So, I mean, we've talked, we've talked about the wars at Nazium. | ||
| I really appreciate you giving us your takes and your points on this because I really think you have a fine geopolitical mind. | ||
| I know you interview a lot of great people that talk about these things. | ||
| I liked a lot of your takes. | ||
| So going more domestic, I'm sure you've been talking about this on War Room with the government shutdown and whatnot. | ||
| The EBT. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big one. | ||
| Yeah, the EBT. | ||
| Snap benefits. | ||
| Snap benefits. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| These poor people, we can't let them starve. | ||
| I mean, have you seen their poor crying faces on TikTok? | ||
| The babies, we're going to let babies starve. | ||
| No, I think it's, I think it's maybe an unintentional, like brilliant piece of propaganda to have all these people making these videos being like, I got seven kids and it's taxpayers' responsibility to feed them. | ||
| Like, do people realize that this is 40 million people in our country? | ||
| Literally, they're like intergenerational. | ||
| So, you know, yeah, it's way, it's, dude, it sucks. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| At the same time, it's like impossible to claw back entirely. | ||
| And I don't know if I'd want to entirely if we could. | ||
| Like, cause I was going off on this. | ||
| On War Room, I was like making fun of those videos so bad. | ||
| I was not being nice about it. | ||
| And then, and then, of course, a woman calls in and is like, well, like, my husband like became an alcoholic and was like beating me. | ||
| And I have three kids that are all under six. | ||
| I was on EBT or M on EBT. | ||
| And I'm like, all right, I'm not against you having it. | ||
| Like, you're not who I'm talking about. | ||
| That's not who I mean. | ||
| It's the people with the full shopping carts making TikToks. | ||
| Child tax credit and all of that. | ||
| You know, like it's complicated. | ||
| Well, there's legitimate cases for it. | ||
| Like I've mentioned already on live, like when I was younger, I was a, I was a kid who was on Snap and EBT. | ||
| Like my parents were going through like very hard financial time. | ||
| Now, we didn't, luckily, you know, everything 180 and we went, you know, in the opposite direction as a family, but there was a legitimate time where the benefits were important. | ||
| So like I see the case scenario of like, you know, people who are just on it when they're in a hard time or transition. | ||
| And there's legitimately like a big portion of the population that are, you know, representative of that, you know, group. | ||
| But ultimately, I think the problem I have with this whole snap benefits is like, you know, it's become a martyr situation where there's like real people being affected by it. | ||
| And the Democrats are using it as like you said, you know, that talking point to just be like, look at these people. | ||
| This is what the Republicans are going to do. | ||
| In reality, none of those people in the White House give a fuck because none of them are in snap benefits and they all have millions of dollars sitting in insider trading and all these other different things. | ||
| And they're just in a bubble that has nothing to do with what the reality of situation is. | ||
| This makes me think of two interesting questions. | ||
| Number one, Harrison, how long do you think this continues? | ||
| And number two, who gets more blamed for it in the popular like voter-based slash opinion, the Democrats or the Republicans? | ||
| Who's it worse for, in your opinion? | ||
| It seems like Republicans are sort of winning on the messaging. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think we're seeing that. | ||
| And that's surprising, but it's true. | ||
| Like, you know, as far as I can tell, it is the Democrats that are causing this extension. | ||
| And the Democrats are out there actually saying verbatim, you know, the pain that we cause American families will benefit us. | ||
| Or like, that's our only leverage, I think they called it. | ||
| So it's pretty sick. | ||
| So yeah, they're clearly, they think it works for them somehow. | ||
| Maybe they think it creates riots that puts Trump in a more vulnerable position. | ||
| Maybe they're actually trying to create like the Black Lives Matter style, like people looting stories. | ||
| You should do that. | ||
| You know, it's enough people. | ||
| If enough, if it goes on long enough, that could be a scenario. | ||
| I also, I don't know. | ||
| I also think Democrats, like how long, honestly, are they going to let their constituents starve? | ||
| Like they have to, they can't let it go on that much longer. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I think I can't imagine it lasts all that much longer. | ||
| I think once the EBT runs out, it'll come to a conclusion one way or another pretty quick. | ||
| So I hope I just don't, you know, unless it is actually they're deliberately trying to like create chaos and create looting situations. | ||
| Cause I think that's going to happen fairly quickly. | ||
| Well, I mean, I know Tim has some questions for you. | ||
| Yeah, my questions are more surrounding InfoWars. | ||
| I didn't get a chance to personally thank you, but when I did go up to InfoWars, everybody was super warm and welcoming, including yourself. | ||
| So it was very nice to meet you in person. | ||
| Very tall guy. | ||
| I was like, how are you doing? | ||
| But overall, I felt the warmth of it. | ||
| And then also just seeing, you know, the death of that place. | ||
| And I know it's something that's talked about a lot, but damn, dude, that's dark. | ||
| Dang. | ||
| But like, here's the thing. | ||
| From my stories with you and, you know, just talking to everybody there and just seeing, you know, the real stories that they had, and you could just see the somber sadness behind their eyes. | ||
| You know, it's just like everyone's in that state. | ||
| So my question for you is just like, you know, based off of everything that's happening more recently, how are you feeling? | ||
| Like what's going on? | ||
| You know, what's the day-to-day looking like? | ||
| And, you know, the inside scoop of, you know, what people could understand about the situation. | ||
| Yo, thank you for, yeah, that was, and that was fun meeting you too. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, the great thing about InfoWars is the people. | ||
| So, you know, the building is very cool. | ||
| The building's very nice. | ||
| The building is historic and like important because it's like legendary kind of to me is how I feel about it. | ||
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Right. | |
| And obviously it's great. | ||
| I feel, I'm just sick of it. | ||
| I'm just sick of the bankruptcy, the lawsuits. | ||
| I mean, it's been over two years at this point. | ||
| And it's just like, and it's not anybody's fault except for the people suing us. | ||
| Like, this is no, you know, I'm glad Alex has fought as long as he has. | ||
| I think I completely understand and 100% back his fight the entire time and would continue to back him long into the future if that was necessary. | ||
| But on the other hand, you know, at a certain point, it's like the lawsuits, the bankruptcy going through this is more damaging, is like clinging on to the symbol might not actually be worth what we could achieve by breaking off and just doing our own thing. | ||
| That being said, you know, who knows if they just don't launch more lawsuits and we never get out of this. | ||
| So me being like, ah, finally, we're done with the lawsuits. | ||
| It's just an illusion anyway. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So it's, it's all been so insecure for the last couple of years and so, you know, waffling back and forth. | ||
| A long time ago, I just got over reacting to updates because they were constantly being reversed. | ||
| And you can only be, I mean, the way I always describe it is like, you know, being led to the guillotine and then your execution has stayed. | ||
| There's only so many numbers of time where you go, are you actually going to drop? | ||
| Well, you dropped the fucking blade already. | ||
| You know, part of me is like, it's torture. | ||
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Just already or is it just pull the damn cord? | |
| So yeah. | ||
| So when it comes to, it's like it's, uh, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to say because on one hand, it does suck. | ||
| It does make me want to mourn. | ||
| It does make me, but then it's like that's what they want us to do. | ||
| That's what they, that's what they expect. | ||
| That's how they're going to feel. | ||
| And so sort of in defiance of that, I just want to be like, you know, so anyway, now we're doing this and it's going to be way bigger, you know, like, right. | ||
| Okay, enjoy it. | ||
| Have fun with that. | ||
| We don't even need it anymore because it is the people. | ||
| It is the spirit of InfoWars. | ||
| The building is wonderful, but that's not, but it's wonderful because it houses the people and the people will stay together. | ||
| The people are loyal. | ||
| The people are friends with each other and love each other. | ||
| Like, so we're going to be together no matter what the next manifestation is. | ||
| And the spirit will be the same. | ||
| The audience will be the same. | ||
| So losing the building is incredibly unfortunate and annoying and frustrating. | ||
| But at the end of the day, I just see it all as enemy action. | ||
| I just see it all as like, you know, a fort that we've been holding and, you know, waylaying the enemy and retreat or withdrawing from that position is not in any way a defeat. | ||
| It's just a tactical strategic requirement. | ||
| So I don't, I don't, it doesn't feel like a death of Infowars. | ||
| It feels like a capturing of a banner or a fort. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| My thinking on all of it is I kind of mourned it and made my peace with it back during the quote unquote, you know, auction that never happened because that's when I thought it was truly over. | ||
| And I listened to that call and I was like, oh, it's, it's not over because the judge struck everything down. | ||
| Eventually he said, you can't do that. | ||
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| So that was the night I took the, I took the photo of Alex like hugging Owen and we were like drinking champagne on the right on the set. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's that's when I thought it was going to happen. | ||
| And then it kind of gets pushed into limbo. | ||
| I mean, there have been large portions of the time where this whole thing has been in limbo. | ||
| So at this point, it doesn't feel like a death. | ||
| It feels like a transformation. | ||
| I would not call it a death in any sort of way. | ||
| I would just say, you know, moving on into the future, we're going to, it's, it's a, it's a remodel, you know, because we're losing this giant chunk of time and energy debt that we were in because we're in all these cases. | ||
| It doesn't have to be InfoWars. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Now it's just going to be Alex Jones Network. | ||
| So I have a question. | ||
| I'm very happy about that. | ||
| I have a question for both of you then on this case. | ||
| Then it's like, I understand, you know, the want to keep it going. | ||
| And I know Alex has his justification for why he's continuing to fight because maybe I'm incorrect about this, but he doesn't want to be seen, you know, just cowing and just belly up in this situation. | ||
| But like, what's he wants to last? | ||
| And what's driving him? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| What's driving him, you know, to hold on for so long? | ||
| I'll explain because I definitely don't want what I said to be like, oh, you know, it doesn't matter that InfoWars as a brand is extremely valuable. | ||
| The name is valuable. | ||
| The trademark is valuable. | ||
| Even though we don't trademark our content, that's actually a threat that the bad guys could do is like they could issue takedown orders and say this is copyrighted material from InfoWars. | ||
| We are InfoWars if they buy the company. | ||
| And even though that wouldn't really be valid because it was copyright free, you can't later go back and copyright something. | ||
| Interestingly enough, the reason that's the case is because there was a, I think it's the same case or a very similar precedent of Oracle, Larry Ellison's company, tried to sort of retroactively copyright Java. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they, you know, the court said, no, you can't do that. | ||
| If it was free, when you gave it out, it's free forever. | ||
| So, but big tech companies, when they get a takedown order, could choose to comply with it, even if they aren't legally compelled to. | ||
| So that would be a big threat. | ||
| It is a standard, you know, and that is important. | ||
| It is a symbol. | ||
| It is a, like, you know, Alex compares it to the golden eagle of the Roman Legion. | ||
| And like, if you know anything about Roman history, they would literally send armies to recapture standards. | ||
| Like it wasn't a small deal. | ||
| It was like the entire country was in shame until they recaptured those standards. | ||
| So, you know, and there's something powerful about that. | ||
| And the name InfoWars, the logo InfoWars, it is a standard. | ||
| And that's not, that's not diminishing its consequence. | ||
| It's like, you know, elevating it to its property. | ||
| Yeah, it makes it become more legendary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I just think, I just think it, you know, the brand InfoWars, the like Alex did pour everything into this and built it himself. | ||
| And taking the name is, in a way, destroying an aspect of it that it won't be able to regain. | ||
| The good news is that, like, you know, with Alex serving as that, as the central node, as the son of the solar system and sort of the rest of InfoWars revolving around him, no matter where he goes, that solar system can maintain and grow and more people can be brought into it. | ||
| And yeah, it can be, you know, weaponized even further against the NFL. | ||
| Well, then, from a legal standpoint, because I know they're trying to do the whole auction, what does the defense look like when you try to argue back, you know, and try to say, no, this is ours? | ||
| Like, I don't really understand the nuances of, you know, nobody understands. | ||
| Nobody understands. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| It is all gibberish and bullshit. | ||
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| It's because the thing is, it's like Infowars got sued and Alex Jones got sued. | ||
| And so Alex Jones's personal property is tied up, but Alex Jones owns InfoWars. | ||
| So if he's paying, but if he owns Infowars, but InfoWars is so, it's so unbelievably complicated. | ||
| And the problem is, the problem they're running into, and the reason this is so unbelievably and unprecedentedly complicated is because they're using the law in a way it's not supposed to be used. | ||
| The law is designed specifically to deal with monetary damages, usually having to do with like what you would think of when I say defamation. | ||
| If somebody is telling everybody, hey, don't go shop at that grocery store. | ||
| I got food poisoning from there. | ||
| And this, you know, grocery store says, hey, when they started saying that, we lost 20% of our customers. | ||
| You know, they owe us that difference because they defamed us falsely. | ||
| That's sort of what the law was written for, and it can get complicated, but that in its essence. | ||
| So they don't want monetary damages from us. | ||
| They want to destroy us. | ||
| And so they're trying to like destroy the thing that they're actually legally supposed to be building up because the idea is that if you go into bankruptcy and everything, so the idea is the law is designed to maximize payout or in our case, maximize payout because our payout is so unachievably high, all they can do is try to get the most. | ||
| Whereas in another case, if the award was 5 million and Infowars is worth nine, then it would be an easier thing to swing. | ||
| But because our punishment was so astronomically and unachievably high, they're trying to get the maximum amount of money, but they're going, okay, the way to get the maximum amount of money is to let Alex Jones keep running it. | ||
| It makes a ton of money with him running it as a successful business. | ||
| If you want the maximum amount of money, he should keep running it the way. | ||
| And they got offers based on this. | ||
| They did. | ||
| But can they force him to stay as the slave horse continuing to go on air? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| No, but they can garner his wages for the rest of his life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they can take his image. | ||
| They can claim that they own it and they can do like AI Alex and they have all these little plans and things that they want to do. | ||
| It's all very sick. | ||
| At the end of the day, what do you think? | ||
| Do you think the Onion is going to get it in any way, shape, or form? | ||
| Because the way I see it, if everything's just going to be taken by like the state court and sold, you know, that domain name is very valuable. | ||
| I'm sure it gets sold to someone. | ||
| I'm sure they might buy it. | ||
| But there isn't really a collected singular place to buy all of his assets as there was before at the time of the auction, I believe, because some things like his social media accounts, the court has ruled and said, no, you can't take these. | ||
| There are some other examples like that. | ||
| His personal one. | ||
| They can take the one that Infowars owns. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| They can't take it well. | ||
| They're trying to take real Alex Jones. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that's why they're trying to use his image. | ||
| That's legally dubious too. | ||
| I mean, it would be a massive injustice if The Onion is allowed to purchase it, but there's been a series of massive injustices that started and then continued through this whole process. | ||
| So that's not necessarily a reason why it wouldn't happen. | ||
| So because I mean, to me, if The Onions backroom deals with the manager of the bankruptcy trial, the auction was so offensive that the judge had to step in and say the whole thing was null and void. | ||
| Like, shouldn't they not be allowed to participate anymore? | ||
| If you're caught doing it once, why are they still allowed to like be making offers and such? | ||
| So, you know, that article that they wrote about you guys just to spit more on top of it, the guy who owned it. | ||
| You saw that article, right? | ||
| He's referring to the Onion article written by the CEO. | ||
| And we've gone over it before. | ||
| I'll pull it up here. | ||
| I just don't think. | ||
| Yeah, I have an analogy for all this. | ||
| And it's like, okay, and I don't believe this is as bad as what we did. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But just giving the analogy. | ||
| Let's say you had a couple of drinks, you got in your Hyundai and you went on the road and you hit someone's car and maybe they like busted a leg. | ||
| Let's say that person goes to like the personal injury defense attorney and then they sue you. | ||
| Let's say you own a mansion for exactly two and a half million dollars and that person gets exactly two and a half million dollars or more money and they come to take your property and get it sold off, right? | ||
| That's what the court would do. | ||
| Would the person that's trying to get the property be allowed to like deface it and like crap on it and break it and just make it worthless and null and void? | ||
| And then that's the service of the court because they're not actually trying to preserve the value of the assets. | ||
| They never have. | ||
| It's always been about taking the platform off the air. | ||
| So how are you allowed to punitively sue someone when you're supposed to get cash restitution? | ||
| That's how it works in civil court. | ||
| It's a pseudo criminal court that they've almost put on the thing, right? | ||
| They've said, not only will this be sold and taken from you, we're going to degrade it until it's not really the same thing anymore. | ||
| And then that's your punishment. | ||
| Yeah, that's how it is. | ||
| It literally should be illegal. | ||
| It literally doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But it does, it does appear to be what is happening moving forward. | ||
| So you just have to, you just have to remember that just like Venezuela, I mean, you know, we say these things a lot, but like they're very true. | ||
| When the magician is like waving a flag in the air, you should be looking at his other hand, right? | ||
| It just, the Alex Jones trial has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. | ||
| It has nothing to do with anything that happened around Sandy Hook. | ||
| It has nothing to do with getting money from Alex Jones. | ||
| It has nothing to do with what he owes or what he doesn't know. | ||
| It's just, you know, all of that is the distraction. | ||
| All of that is the smoke and mirrors. | ||
| The reality is they are just trying every hook and crook they can imagine to destroy InfoWars and steal it from Alex in order to destroy it, which they shouldn't be allowed to do legally. | ||
| But they are. | ||
| They tried to rig the, you know, bankruptcy auction. | ||
| Nothing happened to them. | ||
| You know, so who knows? | ||
| Who knows what the future holds? | ||
| The patterns, logic, previous behavior, none of it matters, I guess, when it comes to Alex Jones. | ||
| They get to do whatever the fuck they want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So is this the I don't know? | ||
| How do we get back to how it was before? | ||
| I'll just go to my bed. | ||
| No, the two, two ads. | ||
| All right, but now he's kind of zoomed in. | ||
| But you're zoomed in too. | ||
| So what happened? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead and try to fix that. | ||
| No, we appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And this is a new show. | ||
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| Harrison, you are an American G. You are unk, but in the best possible way. | ||
| You've been around since I was a wee boy, you know, growing up in the office. | ||
| Can I tell stories about that? | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| No, I just, I, it's, it's true, man. | ||
| I just remember, I mean, you must have been, I think you were 15 when I started working there. | ||
| And I just remember like at 15, we'd go out to get, you know, enchiladas for lunch or something. | ||
| It would be you and then a bunch of 30-year-olds and you're like leading the conversation. | ||
| I was just like, yeah, this dude is Alex's kid. | ||
| It was impressive to see. | ||
| That was such an awesome time. | ||
| That was such a great time. | ||
| And, you know, Owen and you kind of came up roughly around the same time period. | ||
| And it was just magical back there. | ||
| I mean, before the lawsuits and before really even the deplatforming, it was just, it was fairy tale land, you know, always exciting things happening, people running around, positive energy, you know, kind of a little bit of positive aggression. | ||
| And the way that everyone was just on target, we're like, yes, we are alternative media. | ||
| We are a network. | ||
| We're here to give people what they want, which is the best possible show at the best possible news. | ||
| And we didn't have, you know, other cares or worries that we had to prioritize or focus on. | ||
| And all that money was there really to build the office. | ||
| And I remember when we had our giant warehousing operation. | ||
| And I mean, that's why I do business now is because, you know, one day I want to get back to that same point because it was really the growth of a honest American company, you know, and it was a media company and we were giving people news on the same scale during the Trump campaign as some of the major networks. | ||
| And, you know, that's common now. | ||
| These major networks, like pretty much a lot of people, all of them get more views than they do, right? | ||
| Because it's so horrible in the aggregate. | ||
| But we were one of the first people or one of the first networks doing that for people. | ||
| And I remember when we got banned off YouTube, we had like 2.8 million and billions of views and Crowder had 200K. | ||
| And now Crowder has like 5 million. | ||
| So think about where we'd be at. | ||
| She has 10 plus. | ||
| I posted a thread a couple of days ago and I covered it on War Room, but I clipped out this woman who was an expert witness for the prosecutors or for the whatever, the other side during the Sandy Hook trials. | ||
| And she's basically an academic whose job is to like study InfoWars in order to try to combat it. | ||
| And she talks about going through like 1,500 studies. | ||
| And I mean, she, her quote is like, it's impossible to overestimate or overstate Alex Jones's impact. | ||
| I think all the way back as early as 2011, Alex had more influence than Glenn Beck and Rush Lindbaugh combined. | ||
| And then, of course, like 2016, he was even bigger. | ||
| So like, when you say we are as big as mainstream media, we were significantly larger than any influence they all had combined. | ||
| Like, that's the crazy thing. | ||
| So I joined right at the end of that. | ||
| I joined early, like February 2017. | ||
| So like right after Trump was inaugurated the first time, because I was kind of like, okay, I got to get involved now. | ||
| Like, all right, Trump's in office. | ||
| Time to like really, you know, get to work. | ||
| I didn't think it was possible before it actually happened. | ||
| So I missed the whole 2016, like when it was really like rocket boosters firing, just going balls to the wall. | ||
| Hiring blimps, like fighting the young Turks. | ||
| Like I, I missed all of that, unfortunately, but I, but you're right. | ||
| There was still this like, we'd won, Trump was in office, everything was silly. | ||
| The memes were flowing freely. | ||
| They were starting to try to combat us, but they still had no idea how to do it. | ||
| So they were coming out with like, of course, I'm angry, like that type of stuff. | ||
| That was supposed to take us down. | ||
| Like, that's when they were trying that type of stuff. | ||
| And it only made us bigger and was funny to us. | ||
| And then we do like live three to five, you know, starting in 2018, which was just like us learning how to do a live show by just doing a live show and like taking calls. | ||
| Dude, it was a, yeah, it's been very fun. | ||
| It's been extremely fun. | ||
| And I'm very excited to see what the, what the next chapter holds. | ||
| I, I actually have a, um, I'm curious, like when I know you joined InfoWars during that time period, but like help me understand what that looked like. | ||
| Cause I know you used to be a lot more left-leaning probably and a little bit more Democratic, if I'm not mistaken, but you weren't Trump. | ||
| You were, he was let, he was not, not say left-leaning. | ||
| I meant to say you weren't, you were an anti-Trump right now. | ||
| I just called him out. | ||
| He wants to duel you now. | ||
| I thought you were an anti-Trump. | ||
| Hold on one second. | ||
| Just keep talking. | ||
| But I just want to understand, how did you get involved with InfoWars in the first place? | ||
| Like, what was that process like? | ||
| Because I heard Chase's story, but I'm curious, like, how did you get involved? | ||
| What made you, what was that signing look like? | ||
| Well, I, I responded to a Craigslist ad is how I got involved in InfoWars. | ||
| I was never a lefty. | ||
| I would never say that. | ||
| I did vote for Obama in 2008 because I was 18 and agreed with a lot of what he said on the campaign trail and then very quickly learned that that was all bullshit and that he was a fraud that I had been duped. | ||
| And so, but I'd always been very anti-Bush's anti-neocon, anti-overseas war. | ||
| So I wasn't going to vote for McCain anyway. | ||
| I also didn't like that he picked Sarah Palings. | ||
| I thought that was a irresponsible decision and probably the most important decision he makes as president. | ||
| So I had reasons to vote for Obama. | ||
| And they were the same reasons I voted for Trump. | ||
| It's just Trump's the real deal. | ||
| Obama was lying, but they said a lot of the same things about ending the war, you know, prioritizing Americans. | ||
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They always say they're going to do it. | |
| And then, but then like all my friends that we were all on the same side, they all just like kept loving Obama. | ||
| And I was like, that like, what? | ||
| But, you know, he was lying about all that stuff. | ||
| Like, none of that happened. | ||
| He didn't end wars. | ||
| He accelerated them. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| I think it's just like they like the way a person looks, right? | ||
| Like Newsome. | ||
| Like, Newsome is objectively horrible. | ||
| California has a flaming dung heap of a place to live, literally always on fire. | ||
| And like, he looks presidential. | ||
| He should be our president. | ||
| He looks presidential. | ||
| And then you get someone like Patrick Bett David, and he's just like, Yes, I think Gavin Newsom is very impressive. | ||
| I don't agree with what he says, but I think that he's very impressive. | ||
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I don't know how to sound like PBD, but yeah, no, it's surface level. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like they do these debates. | ||
| Didn't they do one between him and someone else, like Ron DeSantis or something really weird? | ||
| Didn't that happen? | ||
| My hallucination? | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember hearing it's so weird how many of these like whack pack meetings end up happening. | ||
| You know, we're like, yeah, slam something together, see if it works. | ||
| It's, it's all just like first order thinking or like, um, yeah, first order thinking, basically, it's like, you know, well, they want to do good, and that's sort of what matters. | ||
| And if you point out that them trying to do good actually doesn't do good, you're kind of just being mean when they're trying to help and you're trying to stop them. | ||
| So, you know, I think it's very, yeah, kind of like childish surface level, you know, appreciation of what's actually happening. | ||
| And so, you know, I was never, I would never say I was liberal, but I was more libertarian. | ||
| And, but I tell this story all the time. | ||
| My co-hosted on Moonbase Live that we do almost every Wednesday, some the occasional Thursday. | ||
| He grew up, well, he didn't grow up in Lebanon, but he was from Lebanon and his household still watched like Arabic news and stuff. | ||
| And so I was in sixth grade, 11 years old, when 9-11 happened. | ||
| And so then all through middle school, he was my best friend. | ||
| And I would just, I was just getting the real truth about the Middle East as a middle schooler from like, you know, what the Arabs were telling each other rather than the American media and learning just like that, you know, because in the morning in middle school, they'd be showing us, you know, the latest broadcast from Osama bin Laden's cave. | ||
| And my friend would be sitting there going, That's not Osama bin Laden. | ||
| He's not even speaking the right language. | ||
| Like he's got a gold watch on. | ||
| That's not allowed. | ||
| This guy's fatter than the guy they showed last week and sort of red pilling me then. | ||
| So while my, I grew up and my parents were extremely sort of like traditional conservative, I was very much like, fuck the bushes, fuck the war, fuck Cheney early on, but was always right wing. | ||
| So, and I always loved Alex and I grew up on Alex. | ||
| I probably, you know, I saw a loose change when I was probably 15. | ||
| Like I knew about him forever. | ||
| When I came to Austin, I would like listen to him on the radio. | ||
| And I knew where the office was because I had a friend that worked next door and told me one time, I was like, yeah, you like InfoWars, right? | ||
| You know, I work right next to them. | ||
| So then, so basically, I didn't go to college. | ||
| After high school, I started just filming weddings and commercials and music videos and just doing freelance video stuff. | ||
| And I did that for about 10 years and then decided I needed to get a job. | ||
| And sort of the first job I applied to was a Craigslist ad for a nationally syndicated radio station that they didn't say the name of, but I knew where it was because my friend worked next there. | ||
| So I put two and two together and applied. | ||
| You know how to find the little Hobbit village, dude. | ||
| You know how to get in there. | ||
| So when you applied, you just got to answer back and then you went through this regular interview. | ||
| It probably wasn't like a normal interview. | ||
| Was it Dew? | ||
| Did Dew interview you for your job? | ||
| He did, but actually the first people I saw were Buckley and Nico because the ad I responded to was not an ad I would have normally responded to. | ||
| I only responded to it because I knew it was Infowars. | ||
| So it was a, it was the radio log. | ||
| It was like a, you know, somebody just almost like a secretary for the radio show, which I didn't really want to do, but I knew who they were. | ||
| So then I applied and it was at a, you know, in a building downtown that they'd rented to do interviews. | ||
| And I just walked in and was like, so this is InfoWars, right? | ||
| And they kind of looked at each other and were like, why? | ||
| And I was like, because I really want to work for InfoWars. | ||
| And then I gave my resume and my reel. | ||
| And they were like, oh, you do video. | ||
| Like, you shouldn't be doing this job. | ||
| You should be doing this other job. | ||
| You're going to go interview with Dew and uh and uh Zimmerman. | ||
| And so I went and I interviewed with Dew and Zimmerman and they hired me on the spot. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was a real fun time. | ||
| There were a lot of you know crazy characters around. | ||
| And dude, and Zimmerman was like 15. | ||
| Like, how old was Zimmerman? | ||
| He was like 23. | ||
| He's like as old as I am. | ||
| He was so young. | ||
| I don't even, was he 23? | ||
| I think he was even younger than that. | ||
| I can't remember that. | ||
| He seemed, he seemed older. | ||
| And then I looked, I was like, wait, I think he was like five years younger than me. | ||
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So I think he was like, yeah, Sammy. | |
| You know, he's a good, he's a good guy. | ||
| There are a lot of good people, man. | ||
| And like, Zimmerman is a very good guy and a very impressive guy. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Well, I mean, going forward, we've got, you know, kind of another limbo period. | ||
| And then we've got the Alex Jones Network. | ||
| You've got Moonbase. | ||
| And then how can people find you and support you? | ||
| Will you support me by going to the AlexJonesstore.com/slash Harrison? | ||
| That'll support me. | ||
| Use that code. | ||
| Use that code. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The AlexJones store.com slash Harrison and get yourself some bovine colostrum. | ||
| Why don't you? | ||
| Yeah, you can follow me at Harrison H. Smith. | ||
| I'm on Rumble at Moonbase Live. | ||
| I think that's also YouTube. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| And X at Moonbase Live as well. | ||
| So yeah, we do Moonbase every Wednesday. | ||
| And I made it a year ago on the off chance that Infowars goes down. | ||
| So I'm just, I just sort of keep it up doing a show once a week. | ||
| You've obviously been on it a bunch, Rex, and we're going to start getting more guests. | ||
| So yeah, just follow me, Harrison H. Smith, and watch the war room each and every weekday. | ||
| Whoo, not morning. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| This is the first time I've done the spiel. | ||
| It's been a bit of a second. | ||
| Yeah, I know you like the afternoon for sure. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
| I would be asleep right now if I was back then. | ||
| Yeah, no, each and every weekday afternoon, 3 to 6 p.m., infowars.com forward slash show, banned.video and streaming on X. Indeed. | ||
| Well, thank you, dude. | ||
| Is there anything else you wanted to talk about? | ||
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Phenomenal interview. | |
| No, no, that was super fun. | ||
| Yeah, we should do it again. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Thanks, y'all. | ||
| Awesome, dude. | ||
| Well, God bless and good luck. | ||
| And I'll see you soon. | ||
| I know I will, but everyone should go subscribe to all of Mondays. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Are you coming on tomorrow? | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| If you want me to, I'm there. | ||
| I don't actually know. | ||
| Usually we do every Monday, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let me know. | ||
| Let me know if it's okay. | ||
| And then we'll come on. | ||
| We'll talk supplements or something fun or take calls. | ||
| We'll make it happen. | ||
| Thank you guys so much. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Dude, you're awesome. | ||
| Thanks, Harrison. |
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