Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - RZA Taught Kanye, The Truth About Kendrick vs. Drake, & ODB Used a Paper Towel Condom??? | Ep 702
Aired: 2026-04-29
Duration: 02:42:33


=== The Metal Mike Connection (08:04) ===

[00:00:00]  What's up, everybody, and welcome to Flagrant.
[00:00:02]  And today we are joined by a true creative legend, the inspiration, the seed, the architect.
[00:00:09]  We're here with Rizza, everybody.
[00:00:11]  Rizza's on the couch.
[00:00:12]  Thank you, Rizza.
[00:00:14]  Dude, thank you so much for coming.
[00:00:15]  I have a question I have to ask you.
[00:00:17]  I've wondered this for probably, God, I don't know, 30 years.
[00:00:22]  There is a guy in my neighborhood.
[00:00:25]  I grew up in the East Village.
[00:00:26]  Okay, there was a guy, I don't know if he was homeless or not, but he would ask for money on the street on 4th Street in Lafayette.
[00:00:31]  I know you're talking about Augur.
[00:00:33]  There's no way.
[00:00:34]  Mike.
[00:00:35]  How the fuck?
[00:00:37]  No way.
[00:00:38]  He told us this.
[00:00:38]  I was like, don't bring it up.
[00:00:39]  He's not going to know.
[00:00:40]  So there was a guy, Metal Mike, right?
[00:00:41]  Yeah.
[00:00:42]  Metal Mike, okay?
[00:00:43]  And the thing about Metal Mike was, I've been waiting to ask you this for years.
[00:00:47]  I can't even.
[00:00:48]  I'm shocked he knows this.
[00:00:49]  I'm sorry that I doubted you.
[00:00:50]  I didn't know if he was being genuine or if he was maybe battling schizophrenia or something like that.
[00:00:56]  Like, I had no clue.
[00:00:57]  But the thing was, you could go up to him, you could be like, yo, what's Wootzang up to?
[00:01:02]  And he would give you detailed information about what you guys were doing.
[00:01:06]  You know what's so crazy?
[00:01:08]  He was.
[00:01:08]  He was homeless.
[00:01:10]  And I think one day, I'm better, maybe came up to me, maybe asked for a few dollars one day.
[00:01:16]  I might have blessed him heavy.
[00:01:18]  I'm that type, you know?
[00:01:19]  Yeah.
[00:01:21]  But I might have talked with him for like 10, 15 minutes, right?
[00:01:24]  And this is when Fourth and Broadway Tower was the Tower Records.
[00:01:27]  That's right.
[00:01:28]  Yeah.
[00:01:29]  G Street Records was in that building.
[00:01:31]  Oh.
[00:01:32]  So check it out.
[00:01:33]  Russell Simmons lived on the top floor of that apartment.
[00:01:36]  Exactly.
[00:01:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:01:37]  It was an old share apartment, actually.
[00:01:39]  That Russell got from Cher.
[00:01:41]  But anyway, and G Street was in that building, and there's also another studio there.
[00:01:44]  So I will always see him.
[00:01:46]  But eventually, he became my man.
[00:01:47]  That's my man, yo.
[00:01:49]  If I had something, he saw me.
[00:01:50]  If he saw me, his day was good.
[00:01:52]  Yeah.
[00:01:52]  You know what I mean?
[00:01:54]  I understand.
[00:01:55]  He was good.
[00:01:55]  Like, mom, I'm going to eat well today.
[00:01:58]  But then also, it came to a point where I was like, yo, yo, fuck it.
[00:02:02]  Hand out some stickers, bro.
[00:02:04]  You know what I mean?
[00:02:05]  Yeah.
[00:02:06]  And then, like, I don't know what we had in common and shit.
[00:02:11]  But I, you know, at this time, I spent like a whole hour talking to him.
[00:02:14]  Really, you guys can connect, yeah.
[00:02:15]  So, you so you probably, if he told you some bro, he got it from the source.
[00:02:19]  That's what I was always going to.
[00:02:21]  And there were people that would go up to him, like this was the allure of Wu Tang, right?
[00:02:25]  Growing up in New York City, which is like, and also, you don't have the internet this time, right?
[00:02:29]  So, the access is actual, like, you know, word of mouth information, yeah.
[00:02:34]  And he had it.
[00:02:35]  There would be dudes that would pull up, throw him five bucks, what up, metal mic, yo, what's up, dude?
[00:02:40]  Oh, and then there was just like random insider, they're working on the album.
[00:02:44]  It's coming together.
[00:02:46]  That's insane.
[00:02:47]  Why did they call him Metal Mike?
[00:02:48]  Do you know?
[00:02:49]  I don't know if it was Metal Mike or something Mike.
[00:02:51]  Motor Mike, Metal Mike.
[00:02:52]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:53]  I just remember Mike.
[00:02:55]  There was something else in front of his name.
[00:02:57]  But yeah, it wasn't Mental Mike.
[00:03:01]  It might have been.
[00:03:02]  I didn't want to make any assumptions.
[00:03:05]  Where's Mike at today?
[00:03:07]  Where is Mike?
[00:03:07]  I haven't seen Mike in years, bro.
[00:03:09]  I feel like I haven't seen him when the World Trade Center came down or some shit.
[00:03:13]  Like, not the whole city changed.
[00:03:16]  I remember that shit.
[00:03:18]  He told me he was like, Yo, they're gonna hit the tower.
[00:03:26]  Anyway, if he is out there, you see this podcast, what up, bro?
[00:03:31]  Long time, man, Mike.
[00:03:32]  Mad love to you, bro.
[00:03:34]  We always believed you, by the way, Mike.
[00:03:35]  You know, let me get to ask you what Wu Tang was up to.
[00:03:38]  We always believed you, man.
[00:03:40]  You got all this, like, just doing the research on you is really fun because it's like nostalgia, it's like the little memory lane you get to walk down, like you grew up in the city, especially, and uh.
[00:03:51]  I was watching this Drink Champs app that you did.
[00:03:54]  It was like four hours with Nori.
[00:03:56]  Shout out to Nori.
[00:03:56]  It was unbelievable.
[00:03:57]  And there's a moment early in the episode where you even go, like, I want to make sure we have time to get into shit.
[00:04:02]  Like, I think you thought it might be like an hour or something like that.
[00:04:05]  And it's like, you guys had plenty of time.
[00:04:07]  You told it all.
[00:04:08]  And I was sweating in that motherfucker.
[00:04:10]  But you told this amazing story, and it was like a Bible verse you referenced, even where you're like, one positive decision can be responded 10 times.
[00:04:18]  Yes, yes, yes.
[00:04:20]  And it was this decision, like, you had 20K and you wanted to decide what you were going to do with your life.
[00:04:26]  How old are you at this time?
[00:04:27]  This is right before Wu Tang, so I'm 21, 22.
[00:04:30]  Okay.
[00:04:31]  Yes.
[00:04:32]  Can you break down this moment?
[00:04:34]  Yeah, without incriminating.
[00:04:35]  Like I always try to say.
[00:04:38]  So at the end of the day, you know, I had 10K, Ghostface had 10K.
[00:04:43]  That made the 20K.
[00:04:44]  Got it.
[00:04:44]  Yeah.
[00:04:45]  And the gag was the plan was to get a brick.
[00:04:49]  Yeah.
[00:04:50]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:51]  And at the time, you know, my pops had to connect.
[00:04:55]  You got to call Uncle Joe.
[00:04:56]  Uncle Joe.
[00:04:58]  Yeah, Uncle Joe had to connect.
[00:04:59]  And he's like, all right, so I decided to go down and meet Uncle Joe and talk to him about it.
[00:05:06]  And yeah, we talked about getting that brick.
[00:05:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:05:11]  You know what I mean?
[00:05:12]  I wasn't vegan, Danny.
[00:05:13]  So your brain wasn't operating like that?
[00:05:16]  I probably knocked out like 17 chicken wings that night.
[00:05:20]  Cocaine is vegan, I think.
[00:05:24]  But to paraphrase it, because I told it annoyed, I should paraphrase it now.
[00:05:29]  But the thing was, yo.
[00:05:31]  I had a baby in the oven, or maybe just born, right?
[00:05:34]  So life was like, what are you gonna do?
[00:05:38]  And when you do negative shit, negative shit happens.
[00:05:42]  Like, at this time, and a brick could get you straight, but this is like after I just won the trial.
[00:05:48]  Right, yeah.
[00:05:49]  After Dirty had got locked up, after we fucking tore this fucking Ohio town upside down.
[00:05:55]  Oh, shit.
[00:05:56]  Constantly making a fucking newspaper.
[00:05:58]  Yeah.
[00:06:00]  And it was like criminal activity.
[00:06:02]  Was not only hurting you, it's hurting your community.
[00:06:06]  Yeah.
[00:06:06]  It's hurting your family.
[00:06:08]  Yeah.
[00:06:08]  It's a fucking really big chain reaction of criminal activity.
[00:06:13]  But yet, money leads you to want to do it, right?
[00:06:16]  Me, money leads you to do it.
[00:06:18]  And so we figured, yo, if we flip this 20, we could at least get 80.
[00:06:22]  It's a nice come up.
[00:06:24]  It's a nice come up, right?
[00:06:27]  But then I was like, nah.
[00:06:31]  What happens where you go, no?
[00:06:32]  And that single decision.
[00:06:35]  Might be the most influential decision in music.
[00:06:40]  It's not just hip hop, but like that one decision spawns everything.
[00:06:45]  So, what happened?
[00:06:46]  I get back to Staten Island.
[00:06:48]  And mind you, I just got to add this part to it.
[00:06:51]  You know, Ghost's already been shot.
[00:06:54]  You know what I mean?
[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:56]  And, you know, in the way he got shot based on, like he said, took a bullet, like I got fought in that.
[00:07:05]  Really?
[00:07:05]  I got fought, yeah, because I'm part of what's happening.
[00:07:08]  I bought him here.
[00:07:10]  To this thing and shit, you know what I mean?
[00:07:11]  So, my man Wise got shot, you know what I mean?
[00:07:15]  So, it's just like, but we're talking about doing it again.
[00:07:18]  You know what I mean?
[00:07:19]  You're feeling some sort of responsibility and almost guilt about this.
[00:07:22]  Yes.
[00:07:22]  And then I'm taking this fucking walk.
[00:07:25]  And mind you, like I said, I'm acquitted of a crime, right?
[00:07:29]  I'm ready to have a second chance.
[00:07:32]  And so, and I have a child, so I'm walking and I'm thinking, yo.
[00:07:36]  And I advise this to anybody take long walks.
[00:07:39]  Amen.
[00:07:40]  Amen.
[00:07:41]  I'm walking through standing.
[00:07:43]  People thought, I learned this, people thought I was losing my mind.
[00:07:47]  Because I'm walking and I'm talking to myself.
[00:07:50]  But I'm calculating.
[00:07:52]  I'm thinking, like, yo, that's it, that's fucked.
[00:07:54]  Nah, I gotta do like this.
[00:07:56]  Oh, what up, yo?
[00:07:57]  What up, yo?
[00:07:58]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:00]  Maybe you did have a feeling.
[00:08:01]  He started copying on motorbike, right?
[00:08:03]  Yeah.

=== A Second Chance Walks (15:17) ===

[00:08:04]  Him and Mike were close.
[00:08:05]  Yeah, you're in a motorbike.
[00:08:07]  You guys were talking to me yourself.
[00:08:09]  I was talking to him.
[00:08:11]  I was in frequency with him.
[00:08:13]  But Punchline came, yo.
[00:08:15]  It was like, nah.
[00:08:16]  And I just told Ghost, I was like, yo, we won't separate here.
[00:08:23]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:24]  So, yo, I don't want you.
[00:08:25]  Holding me down.
[00:08:27]  I want you, like, just go ahead, live your life.
[00:08:29]  I'm gonna go live my life, yo.
[00:08:31]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:32]  I appreciate everything.
[00:08:34]  Gave him the big hug, gave him his 10, took my 10.
[00:08:37]  How did he react to that?
[00:08:40]  He understood in a sense of, like, he always, like, Ghost always looked at me as a big brother.
[00:08:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:47]  You know, he was the big brother of his family.
[00:08:49]  Maybe he saw me as a big brother, as well as his brother.
[00:08:53]  Of course.
[00:08:53]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:54]  At one point, his mother called me him.
[00:08:55]  That's how much me and him, we lived together.
[00:08:58]  So that is my brother, right?
[00:09:00]  But yeah, he was like, okay, cool.
[00:09:03]  And he might have went and kept doing what he was doing.
[00:09:06]  You know what I mean?
[00:09:07]  But I kept on that journey, right?
[00:09:10]  And it took maybe a month later where I was like, I went and saw a man named Mr. Smith.
[00:09:17]  Mr. Smith was the father of my old manager, Mel Kwan.
[00:09:22]  Okay.
[00:09:23]  He used to always like to play chess with me.
[00:09:25]  And so I went over and played some chess with him and shit.
[00:09:28]  And he was the one that started a company called Yamaker Records.
[00:09:31]  Okay.
[00:09:32]  Where he signed Sir Abu and the Divine Force.
[00:09:36]  And I always see the records stacked up in his house, a little brownstone in Brooklyn on Parkside Avenue.
[00:09:42]  Always.
[00:09:43]  And they ran the company out of their brownstone.
[00:09:46]  And so I was just like, I want to start a company.
[00:09:49]  So that's where you're soaking up game and you're realizing I could do this as well.
[00:09:52]  Yeah.
[00:09:52]  And it's not this unattainable thing where I need this office in Midtown.
[00:09:56]  Right.
[00:09:57]  I can do it.
[00:09:58]  He did it right there.
[00:09:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:00]  And he gave me the advice.
[00:10:01]  He said, Go see Mr. Bill Warren.
[00:10:04]  So, Bill Warren, people always say he was a lawyer, but he seemed like he could, like, where's Bill Warren at?
[00:10:10]  He's in Hong Kong.
[00:10:11]  Like, he was always.
[00:10:13]  Very mysterious.
[00:10:14]  His office, his office, now that you fucking make me go back to Mr. Warren, his office in 70s Street, whatever, up in the upper 70s, was in a building at an apartment.
[00:10:29]  Go in, Mr. Warren.
[00:10:30]  Chevy Wood.
[00:10:30]  I never forget the little Chevy Wood Japanese shit he had in there.
[00:10:33]  You know what I mean?
[00:10:34]  But, I said, yo, I want to start a company.
[00:10:36]  I want to do this.
[00:10:38]  And I basically, the 10,000 went to form Wu Tang Production.
[00:10:43]  So I formed Wu Tang Production.
[00:10:45]  And at this point, do you know I'm going to be producing everything?
[00:10:48]  I'm going to be the architect of all this?
[00:10:49]  Do you know the talent that you want to bring into it?
[00:10:51]  Or are you first going, this is just the brand, and we just need to start with one record?
[00:10:58]  Yeah, the idea was to start with a record, start with a company, build a company, get an identity of the company.
[00:11:06]  Right, the logo is the identity of the company, so that was really just my business card.
[00:11:11]  I mean, well, first it was going to be some other if you ever see the with the head, but but it was but it became my business card, okay.
[00:11:19]  And then that same business card is the cover of protect your neck.
[00:11:22]  I just went to one of those magnifying places where they put the photography, he shot my business card and just blew it up.
[00:11:30]  Hilarious, okay.
[00:11:31]  That's how that's my first, but the first inception was what is the brand, yeah, what is the brand, and I knew what the brand was because Wu Tang was like.
[00:11:40]  Like, special to me in the sense of it was the illest Kung Fu movie I ever saw.
[00:11:47]  It was the illest technique, like the sword style, it was the best sword style.
[00:11:51]  And I just used, like I said, the Bible.
[00:11:54]  In the Bible, it said, when Jesus comes in the last days, it says, out of his mouth came a double edged sword, and he used it to smite the nations.
[00:12:04]  And I was like, well, a sword out of his mouth.
[00:12:06]  That's a crazy image.
[00:12:07]  Yeah.
[00:12:07]  But your tongue is shaped like a sword.
[00:12:09]  Yeah.
[00:12:10]  And so I just took it as a metaphor.
[00:12:12]  Then I was like, well, we got the illest lyrics.
[00:12:14]  And I already had a lot of different tapes from DEC, MEF, all of us.
[00:12:18]  They always come to my crib and make tapes.
[00:12:21]  So I said, let me form the company.
[00:12:23]  And go and sign them to my record company and start producing music with them.
[00:12:28]  You know what I mean?
[00:12:28]  The first one to sign was Meth.
[00:12:30]  Really?
[00:12:31]  That's why I call him Wool Brother Number One.
[00:12:33]  Oh, wow.
[00:12:34]  I didn't know Meth Man was first.
[00:12:35]  Yeah, he signed the contract first.
[00:12:37]  Yeah.
[00:12:38]  And how long to get all the rest of the guys?
[00:12:40]  I mean, not that long.
[00:12:42]  Like, you know, within six months, everybody was in.
[00:12:45]  Do you have to pitch them on this greater idea?
[00:12:48]  Are they all trying to get their own record deals at the time?
[00:12:51]  Like, where are people in their lives?
[00:12:52]  Yeah, everybody's trying to get a record deal.
[00:12:55]  Everybody's dreaming.
[00:12:57]  Got it.
[00:12:57]  But me and Jizza have already touched the dream.
[00:13:01]  Yes.
[00:13:02]  Right?
[00:13:02]  Jizza had an album out, Was From a Genius.
[00:13:04]  We were so proud of that.
[00:13:05]  I had the Prince Rakim EP out.
[00:13:09]  And it was like, so from their point of view, they made it.
[00:13:17]  You know what I mean?
[00:13:18]  They're in the system.
[00:13:19]  So you had something validated, something qualified.
[00:13:21]  Yeah.
[00:13:22]  Now, to have my own company was a whole other thing.
[00:13:25]  And it was like off the record, but on the record, we're on the record.
[00:13:29]  It was other people vying.
[00:13:31]  Too, like, because what happened, Shaheem was like Shaheem, his first lyric came out of my rhyme book.
[00:13:38]  You know what I mean?
[00:13:39]  He's my little brother's best friend at that time.
[00:13:42]  They would seal my shit and go make demos.
[00:13:43]  No way.
[00:13:44]  Yeah.
[00:13:45]  Until, of course, he started writing his own shit.
[00:13:47]  That's when he was like 12, right?
[00:13:49]  But anyway, but Shaheem, he ends up signing the deal with Virgin Records through a whole nother system.
[00:13:57]  Right?
[00:13:58]  And I felt left behind on that one in all reality.
[00:14:00]  Oh, really?
[00:14:01]  Yeah, because it was like, Because Shaheen was like, I thought he was one of us.
[00:14:05]  He was one of us.
[00:14:06]  But he was also being produced by a great producer who didn't, who I just think he's a very underrated, unsung producer named RNS out of Stapleton Projects.
[00:14:19]  If it wasn't for RNS, I'm going to give him some credit here.
[00:14:21]  I have the SP 1200, he had the EPS.
[00:14:26]  The EPS is a keyboard.
[00:14:27]  Got it.
[00:14:28]  He had to go down south, he had to do something for the summer and go with his family.
[00:14:32]  He let you hold it?
[00:14:33]  He took the SP 12 because you could fit that.
[00:14:36]  In the trunk.
[00:14:36]  You can't fit the keyboard.
[00:14:39]  And so he gave me the EPS.
[00:14:40]  And so now I'm like, okay, what's this shit?
[00:14:44]  And what it did, the SP 1200 was stuck with 10 seconds, 12 seconds of sample, right?
[00:14:49]  2.5 seconds per pad.
[00:14:51]  The EPS had about maybe 20 some seconds, but it wasn't limited.
[00:14:57]  You could use it.
[00:14:58]  In other words, on the SP 1200, just so you guys could follow, no matter what, you're never going to get more than 2.5 seconds to use at a time.
[00:15:07]  So that's why we speed the shit up and then slow it back down.
[00:15:10]  Yeah.
[00:15:11]  On the EPS, you can use your entire 10 seconds at once.
[00:15:16]  So it gave you a little more flexibility when it was released.
[00:15:17]  Super flexibility, you know what I mean?
[00:15:19]  So if you go back and think about Wu Tang music a little bit, you'll notice the two bar, four bar phrases is coming versus the one bar phrase.
[00:15:30]  And this is because of the limitations of production.
[00:15:33]  Exactly.
[00:15:33]  Oh, so production limitations influence the way that you guys are creating the music.
[00:15:39]  Also creates a different sound that nobody's really hearing at the time.
[00:15:43]  Exactly.
[00:15:43]  And it's also, it's either limiting you or expanding you.
[00:15:47]  Now, the other thing about the EPS was that now that I got the sample on a key, it spreads across the entire keyboard.
[00:15:58]  So now I got 61 keys.
[00:16:00]  Yeah.
[00:16:00]  Oh, so now you can really play with the sample.
[00:16:02]  Exactly.
[00:16:04]  Oh, shit.
[00:16:05]  And you were like one of the first, you were stacking like 10 or 15 samples on one track.
[00:16:09]  Yeah.
[00:16:10]  Most of the time it's just like one or two.
[00:16:11]  And people not think, and because we have a lot of producers that they're making it for the SP121A is a drum machine that samples.
[00:16:20]  Right.
[00:16:20]  The EPS is a piano.
[00:16:23]  Yeah, that's it.
[00:16:23]  The samples.
[00:16:24]  Am I okay?
[00:16:25]  Am I?
[00:16:25]  So, anyway, I know we kind of did the whole thing.
[00:16:27]  No, no, this is interesting because I don't want to like go too far here, but like, but am I crazy to see your influence on Kanye's production?
[00:16:41]  And has he said as much?
[00:16:42]  Like, in a way, yeah.
[00:16:44]  Because to me, I see it.
[00:16:45]  And I see like you taking these samples, especially the old samples that are done on the keys, taking these songs, chopping, speeding them up, and then.
[00:16:53]  I think you see a lot of that influence in Kanye, especially with the vocals.
[00:16:58]  Yeah.
[00:16:58]  No, Kanye, first of all, respect to Kanye and another genius in art, his art and his fashion speaks for itself.
[00:17:09]  But he, you know, I don't know.
[00:17:13]  I try not to self praise himself.
[00:17:15]  Let me do it.
[00:17:15]  Let me do it.
[00:17:16]  Let me say this.
[00:17:17]  Let me just say this.
[00:17:18]  I also want to.
[00:17:20]  They did an interview with him one year and said, Who is your hero?
[00:17:25]  And the answer was the Rizza.
[00:17:26]  Yeah.
[00:17:27]  Wow.
[00:17:28]  And that's respect.
[00:17:29]  And I look at him as a brother, a good friend.
[00:17:31]  Anytime he hits the phone and needs me, I'm there because I really respect him.
[00:17:37]  But when the blueprint came out, I was impressed by that album.
[00:17:42]  Yeah.
[00:17:43]  You know what I mean?
[00:17:46]  Right?
[00:17:47]  All the way.
[00:17:49]  I'll take.
[00:17:49]  But I was pretty, Wu Tang was pretty fuck y'all.
[00:17:52]  You know that, right?
[00:17:53]  He was pretty like, oh, y'all are shit.
[00:17:55]  Y'all niggas are weak.
[00:17:55]  Yeah, But time was moving and, you know, and others were evolving.
[00:18:04]  And when I heard the blueprint, I was like, okay, niggas got it now.
[00:18:07]  Really?
[00:18:07]  And so I called, I actually remember, I think Jay Z was on Hot 97, and I dialed up, bro.
[00:18:13]  And I was like, yo, I want to just say, yo, congratulations.
[00:18:17]  This shit is, yeah, this shit is right.
[00:18:20]  And he was like, yo, I got the whole blueprint from you, Viz.
[00:18:22]  Wow.
[00:18:24]  So, wow.
[00:18:26]  Has there ever been a moment in your career where the people you influence have not given you?
[00:18:31]  Your flowers, because it seems like everybody gives it up.
[00:18:37]  It doesn't seem like there's an ego when it comes to you.
[00:18:40]  I mean, it's in back and forth, yo.
[00:18:42]  The culture has each one teach one.
[00:18:45]  That's one of our lessons, right?
[00:18:46]  Each one teach one.
[00:18:48]  So if you were able to be someone that, you know, if you were the caveman that started using fire.
[00:18:55]  Yo, you got to spread it.
[00:18:56]  Yeah.
[00:18:57]  Now you're using fire, they go, oh, this guy made fire.
[00:18:59]  Good.
[00:19:00]  Now, motherfucker, yo, how about this?
[00:19:02]  How about a grill, motherfucker?
[00:19:05]  And put some oil in that shit.
[00:19:07]  Oh, we could bake with it, guys.
[00:19:10]  But maybe I'm the first one to rub the two sticks together to make the fire.
[00:19:13]  Right.
[00:19:14]  But then once it's there, others continue to build.
[00:19:17]  And then for me, I got to say, Molly Maher, right?
[00:19:20]  Molly Maher was the guy that, yo, I used to fucking wait outside the radio station to try to see this guy.
[00:19:27]  How old are you at this time?
[00:19:28]  It's 13, 14, you know what I mean?
[00:19:31]  Maybe even 15, 16, even up to there.
[00:19:32]  I remember somebody said, oh, I know Molly Maher.
[00:19:35]  Meet me at the Hoyt Street stop on the A train.
[00:19:40]  And you know, he's gonna be there.
[00:19:42]  That sounds like a setup, bro.
[00:19:43]  No, no, no.
[00:19:44]  Me and Dirty was right there.
[00:19:47]  Was he?
[00:19:48]  No.
[00:19:49]  I didn't meet Marley Marr, bro, until like 94 or something, like years later, bro.
[00:19:55]  No, I met him before that.
[00:19:56]  Actually, another way Marley inspired me was that I met him before that.
[00:20:02]  When Roxanne Shantae was working on the album, I had a chance to meet her.
[00:20:06]  So I'm 19 now.
[00:20:07]  Okay.
[00:20:08]  And Prince Raheem has just signed the deal.
[00:20:11]  And, you know, so eventually I'm going to start making my song.
[00:20:14]  But also, people.
[00:20:17]  You know, people know that I'm a lyricist.
[00:20:19]  Right.
[00:20:19]  They'll know I'm a producer.
[00:20:21]  Nobody.
[00:20:22]  Oh, really?
[00:20:22]  You were going for rapping first.
[00:20:23]  Yeah.
[00:20:24]  Oh, wow.
[00:20:25]  Nobody won't let me make the beats.
[00:20:27]  Wow.
[00:20:27]  All my tracks, besides, you know, I made the All We Love You Rock King track, but even then, Prince Paul had to help me.
[00:20:33]  Interesting.
[00:20:34]  Right.
[00:20:34]  So they sent me to DR, period, Backspin, all the producers Dice, Uptown, Easy Mo B. Easy Mo B made my first.
[00:20:47]  B side on my single.
[00:20:49]  Was it because you weren't able to do it at the time or they didn't trust you doing it?
[00:20:52]  They didn't trust me.
[00:20:54]  And also, and maybe rightfully so, because my equipment was a four track with the turntables and you hear that shit, it's like, okay, hold on, I'm trying to hear this.
[00:21:06]  But I don't know, there was something maybe that was more authentic about it.
[00:21:09]  Maybe that cut through.
[00:21:10]  But the production did feel a little bit different.
[00:21:12]  Right.
[00:21:13]  But at the time, there's no proof, right?
[00:21:17]  Right, right, right.
[00:21:18]  So, but anyway, we.
[00:21:22]  We lost the train, but at 19, known as a lyricist, I didn't break in, but I got a chance to meet Molly Marden.
[00:21:36]  And I went to his crib up in the Palisades, up in that area.
[00:21:43]  And the dude had an SSL in his house.
[00:21:47]  What's an SSL?
[00:21:48]  So an SSL is the mixing board.
[00:21:51]  It's the board, bro.
[00:21:53]  So it has all the.
[00:21:54]  It's the board.
[00:21:55]  The shit probably at the time was $300,000.
[00:21:58]  Oh my God, okay.
[00:22:01]  So he has an SSL in his crib.
[00:22:02]  You see these in all the studios.
[00:22:03]  So the barrier to entry, I think that's where a lot of like, especially like young people right now making music, the barrier to entry to making music back in the day was financial, bro.
[00:22:12]  Oh, financial.
[00:22:14]  To even get in studio time was probably crazy.
[00:22:16]  It's still crazy.
[00:22:17]  But an SSL with a two inch 24 track reel to reel, Marley Ma had that in his house.
[00:22:25]  It was called the Marley House of Hits.
[00:22:28]  And he had a radio line already connected to his system so he could broadcast directly from his house.
[00:22:37]  Yeah.
[00:22:37]  This is, he had that shit back like 91, 92.
[00:22:41]  Wow.
[00:22:41]  Right?
[00:22:42]  So I saw that.
[00:22:43]  I saw the SSL in his crib.
[00:22:46]  I saw this dude build the whole studio in his fucking house, bro.
[00:22:49]  And so that's what I did.
[00:22:51]  Yeah.
[00:22:51]  You know what I mean?
[00:22:52]  As soon as I, you know, I had a Mackie.
[00:22:57]  What is that?
[00:22:57]  So a Mackie is like, Two grand, all right.
[00:23:01]  It's a mixer though, you know what I mean?
[00:23:03]  The Fisher Price.
[00:23:04]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:23:04]  The Fisher Price should.
[00:23:06]  But eventually, of course, I got an SSL.
[00:23:09]  Yeah.
[00:23:09]  I mean, I bought a million dollar SSL when I made it, bro.
[00:23:13]  I was like, but get an SSL.
[00:23:14]  So you knew that producing was the key.
[00:23:16]  You knew that that was the stronghold for the business.
[00:23:19]  Yeah.
[00:23:20]  And I heard, I'll say this with you, bro.

=== Buying That Million Dollar SSL (05:28) ===

[00:23:21]  I heard, overheard somebody was like, yo, Salt and Pepper is making beats now, right?
[00:23:28]  I think my manager, Mel Kwan, because he knows everything.
[00:23:31]  Yeah.
[00:23:31]  I had to face.
[00:23:31]  He's the one that's.
[00:23:32]  And I'm trying to get in.
[00:23:34]  I said, wow.
[00:23:35]  So, yeah, they paid her 35 grand to make a track.
[00:23:38]  I said, 35,000.
[00:23:39]  Wow.
[00:23:40]  Yeah, so when you go platinum, you could charge that.
[00:23:44]  I was like, I gotta go platinum.
[00:23:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:23:48]  And yo, I went platinum.
[00:23:50]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:51]  Where was the place that you would go dig for samples?
[00:23:54]  Anywhere.
[00:23:55]  But of course, in the village, there was a store right there on Forth and Broadway.
[00:24:01]  Well, Tower was on Forth.
[00:24:03]  Well, Tower was for, like, if you want to, I mean, well, Tower had the jazz band too.
[00:24:06]  I was like, dude.
[00:24:06]  Yeah.
[00:24:07]  But not Forth and Broadway, Sixth Avenue.
[00:24:11]  Oh, that's Village Records.
[00:24:14]  That's called Village Records.
[00:24:14]  Was it?
[00:24:15]  Isn't that?
[00:24:15]  On 6th and Bleaker?
[00:24:18]  And Bleaker, yeah.
[00:24:19]  Yeah.
[00:24:21]  Yeah.
[00:24:22]  So now he was smart, right?
[00:24:23]  You go in there to buy a record, bro.
[00:24:26]  Like he had James Brown Black Caesar, which is an album.
[00:24:29]  You want to get that.
[00:24:30]  And I never got a chance to really make a track off that down and out of New York City, but I always wanted to.
[00:24:35]  But he was selling that shit for $100.
[00:24:38]  Oh, because he knew what it was.
[00:24:40]  Yeah.
[00:24:40]  Like he had the big samples in there.
[00:24:43]  $100, boy.
[00:24:44]  You know what I mean?
[00:24:45]  Because he knows if you're going to use this, you're going to go make a song, you're going to sell it to B for 35 grand.
[00:24:49]  Yeah.
[00:24:49]  Wow.
[00:24:50]  So he was jacking prices up like that.
[00:24:52]  So, yeah.
[00:24:54]  You're an interesting one because I don't know if anybody teaches you anything.
[00:24:56]  You kind of just observe and then execute.
[00:24:59]  Respect.
[00:25:01]  Of course, people teach you.
[00:25:02]  Yeah, I'm not shy to learn from you today, bro.
[00:25:06]  I don't know about that.
[00:25:08]  I don't know about anything to offer you.
[00:25:10]  Hey, your timing.
[00:25:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:15]  I got you.
[00:25:15]  I got some timing.
[00:25:16]  My timing is going to be different next time you see me.
[00:25:21]  But is that like, is that your process really?
[00:25:23]  Just kind of like constantly absorbing?
[00:25:26]  Yeah, I think that's what an artist is supposed to do.
[00:25:28]  We ingest so you could digest.
[00:25:30]  Yeah.
[00:25:31]  If you don't ingest, what you're going to digest?
[00:25:33]  Dude, I think that's.
[00:25:34]  At least that's my theory in terms of like taking time off from creating sometimes.
[00:25:39]  Like you got to live a little if you want to share something with the world.
[00:25:42]  Exactly.
[00:25:43]  And then what I do, I like.
[00:25:48]  Because of my whatever that is in my brain that just keep bong bonging, if I don't take time off, I shift disciplines.
[00:25:56]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:58]  So it's like, okay, well.
[00:25:59]  Because I need to take time off of this thing.
[00:26:01]  Exactly.
[00:26:03]  So, like, I'm writing the script right now, or I'm supposed to be writing this shit.
[00:26:08]  I've been writing it 30 days, bro.
[00:26:10]  Yeah.
[00:26:11]  But I got this beat machine I've been carrying with me, Sprite System, this little weird beat machine.
[00:26:17]  It's cool, though.
[00:26:18]  And I just been playing with that every day as my pastime while I'm promoting the film.
[00:26:23]  So, by the time I finish getting out of this and seeing the shit I see, and I've probably been to six cities in fucking four days.
[00:26:31]  Yeah, but I'll get it.
[00:26:33]  When I sit down, the lyrics for these characters will flow out.
[00:26:37]  Wow.
[00:26:37]  Announcements Denver, we have added another show.
[00:26:43]  It's going to be on Sunday, I think, 7 15.
[00:26:45]  I believe those tickets are on sale literally this morning.
[00:26:49]  So, go get them right now if they're available.
[00:26:51]  Then I'm going to be out with Jelly Roll, Los Angeles, Netflix, and the Joke Festival.
[00:26:55]  The Greek Theater, we just had a bunch of great comics on that show as well.
[00:26:58]  Salt Lake City, you're sold out.
[00:27:00]  You guys have been asking for us to add shows.
[00:27:02]  I will get back to you on that.
[00:27:03]  Then we're going to be in Virginia Beach, June 5th through the 6th.
[00:27:08]  Then we're going to be in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
[00:27:11]  TheandrewSchultz.com for all those tickets.
[00:27:13]  We should be adding some more dates soon.
[00:27:16]  Thank you guys so much, Tampa, for great shows.
[00:27:18]  That was amazing.
[00:27:19]  Love y'all.
[00:27:20]  Yes.
[00:27:20]  Tampa was amazing.
[00:27:21]  I also want to thank the good people in Providence, Rhode Island that came out to the show.
[00:27:24]  We had a wonderful time.
[00:27:25]  And if you were in Plano, Texas, Chandler, Arizona, Pasadena, California, San Diego, or Detroit, at the end of the year, I'll be coming to you doing one singular hour stand up comedy.
[00:27:34]  Come on out, take a photo, shake my hand, and have a great time.
[00:27:37]  Alex, what's up?
[00:27:38]  And guys, I'm throwing a tennis series this summer.
[00:27:41]  There's three dates.
[00:27:42]  Just head over to All Love Racquet Club on Instagram.
[00:27:45]  I got the link there.
[00:27:47]  We got music, food, free giveaways, a lot of tennis.
[00:27:50]  It's going to be some fun stuff.
[00:27:51]  What do you think is the thing in you that you're not scared to just try something new?
[00:27:56]  Because starting the business, even going from the streets to music to film, like what is it?
[00:28:04]  I mean, at the end of the day, it's you, right?
[00:28:06]  Like, who's going to stop you from being you?
[00:28:08]  But you never get scared, like, oh shit, I don't know how to do this thing.
[00:28:11]  And then you just, like, I'm sorry.
[00:28:12]  No fear of failure?
[00:28:13]  Yeah.
[00:28:14]  Nah, because I mean, I don't fear failure.
[00:28:20]  I'll say this to you I believe the success is completing the task.
[00:28:25]  Hmm.
[00:28:27]  Okay.
[00:28:27]  Like, to achieve the goal, that's the success.
[00:28:31]  Whatever happens after that is whatever.
[00:28:33]  You can't control that.
[00:28:35]  What about, like, interests that you took up?
[00:28:38]  Bullied or seen as weird when you're young, being into all these kung fu movies or reading Eastern philosophy or Islam?
[00:28:45]  Are you afraid people are going to be like, oh, what is this thing?
[00:28:48]  Playing chess.

=== Choosing Your Best Part (03:38) ===

[00:28:49]  Yeah, I might have a.
[00:28:53]  I might.
[00:28:54]  Not now, though.
[00:28:57]  My high school girlfriend told me this.
[00:29:01]  She had a chance to bring me back all my fucking letters and shit.
[00:29:05]  Wow.
[00:29:06]  Yeah, it was just a time.
[00:29:08]  She was just like, She's trying to get back in.
[00:29:12]  No, She's totally a sister.
[00:29:14]  No, of course.
[00:29:15]  I'm married to my wife now.
[00:29:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:20]  That's time.
[00:29:21]  No, it was good.
[00:29:22]  Well, it was to give a memory of myself because I wrote a letter that was very egotistical, conceited, foresighted opinion of what life is going to be for her and what life is going to be for me.
[00:29:41]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:42]  Can you write?
[00:29:44]  And, no, she turned out wild.
[00:29:46]  But.
[00:29:48]  No, no.
[00:29:51]  But the point of it was that, and I hate to say this, but my conceit and confidence was almost at a level of naiveness.
[00:30:03]  It can blind you sometimes.
[00:30:06]  But that energy meant that that is what I am and I can do.
[00:30:14]  Yep.
[00:30:15]  So there's a lesson when you study the mathematics, right?
[00:30:20]  And I know the mathematics can be controversial to some people, but this is the 5%er?
[00:30:23]  Yeah, the 5% mathematics.
[00:30:24]  The first question, right?
[00:30:27]  It says, Who is the original man?
[00:30:31]  And then it answers the question.
[00:30:33]  It says, The original man is the Asiatic black man, the maker, the owner, the cream of the planet Earth, the father of civilization.
[00:30:45]  Preach.
[00:30:46]  The God of the universe.
[00:30:47]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:30:48]  Okay?
[00:30:49]  That's the first question, bro.
[00:30:51]  Yeah.
[00:30:51]  And you got to memorize that.
[00:30:52]  So now you're walking around, wait a minute.
[00:30:54]  That's me.
[00:30:55]  That's me.
[00:30:55]  You know what I mean?
[00:30:56]  Yeah.
[00:30:56]  And then later on, there's a, no, seriously, later on, there's another lesson that it says this question is crazy.
[00:31:04]  Not crazy, crazy, like crazy.
[00:31:06]  Yeah.
[00:31:06]  Like, like, Mike.
[00:31:07]  Yeah.
[00:31:09]  Mike, that up, Mike.
[00:31:10]  But crazy in the sense of, okay, but the question says, why do we let Why did we let a half original man like Christopher Columbus discover the poor part of the planet Earth?
[00:31:27]  Ooh.
[00:31:28]  And it says, because the original black man is God, an owner of the earth, and knowing every square inch, he chose for himself the best part.
[00:31:39]  He didn't care about the poor part.
[00:31:41]  Now, take that into consideration.
[00:31:44]  You got to choose for yourself the best part.
[00:31:48]  And once you choose that best part, you can't care about the poor part.
[00:31:52]  Now, where's the true best part?
[00:31:54]  Where?
[00:31:54]  Wherever you stand, bro.
[00:31:56]  Where you stand.
[00:31:58]  And so, with that confidence, I mean, I got that when I was 11.
[00:32:01]  Oh, wow.
[00:32:01]  So that's deep.
[00:32:02]  Yeah.
[00:32:02]  So now I'm 16.
[00:32:04]  Yeah.
[00:32:04]  I'm like, I'm writing her a letter like, if you don't.
[00:32:07]  Shoes up.
[00:32:08]  If you don't break.
[00:32:09]  If you break up with me.
[00:32:10]  You're going to do the poor part.
[00:32:15]  And the fast part is going to be.
[00:32:20]  Wow.
[00:32:20]  So going back to your question, it's like, with that type of confidence in me, right?

=== Where You Stand Is True (13:29) ===

[00:32:27]  And no doubt, because Papa Wu always said that too.
[00:32:30]  So Papa Wu, I remember.
[00:32:32]  Papa, when I was like 14, and he used to always drink vodka.
[00:32:37]  Everything he said made fucking sense.
[00:32:41]  Okay.
[00:32:42]  There's always a guy on a block that's sober, nothing makes sense.
[00:32:52]  Everything he said made sense.
[00:32:55]  I was sitting there one day, had a cold.
[00:32:58]  I just kept sniffing it up.
[00:33:00]  He said, Nah, God, let it run.
[00:33:04]  I'm trying to get it out the city.
[00:33:06]  I'm trying to come out, God.
[00:33:08]  I was like, you're right, that's good.
[00:33:10]  I mean, he said, Yo, God, he said, Yo, it was some shootout shit.
[00:33:15]  He said, Man, a lot of niggas die from the sound.
[00:33:20]  You know what I mean?
[00:33:21]  He said, Niggas, they be scared.
[00:33:23]  Right?
[00:33:24]  He said, When you consider shooting, God, do the knowledge first.
[00:33:27]  Don't fucking let the sound scare you.
[00:33:31]  Right?
[00:33:31]  People run.
[00:33:32]  And I was like, And yo, he said that to me, trust me.
[00:33:34]  And would you believe, like two years later, I'm in a club.
[00:33:37]  Okay.
[00:33:38]  Right?
[00:33:40]  And shots go off.
[00:33:42]  You start doing the knowledge.
[00:33:43]  Yo, and I didn't, yo, I seen people move.
[00:33:46]  I said, well, I'm moving.
[00:33:47]  No, they do not.
[00:33:48]  Bam, I saw the nigga fall.
[00:33:49]  No, I know he fell.
[00:33:53]  I'm not exaggerating, bro.
[00:33:55]  You took him out?
[00:33:56]  No, no.
[00:33:58]  I still.
[00:33:59]  Moving knowledge, Ricky.
[00:34:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:02]  Yo, and when the bullet hit him, and yo, and yo, when the bullet hit him, we didn't see who was shooting.
[00:34:08]  But I tell you this, bro, when that bullet hit him, the face he made, the impact of that bullet while he was running, unforgettable.
[00:34:19]  It's almost like a vibration came off this motherfucker's face, bro.
[00:34:24]  Then he hit the fucking floor.
[00:34:26]  Then after that, one, two, three, four, five, six, because you should count to seven sometimes.
[00:34:31]  Six, seven.
[00:34:32]  Okay, it's moved.
[00:34:34]  Why count to seven?
[00:34:36]  Because.
[00:34:37]  Hold on.
[00:34:38]  We need a security camera footage of a shootout.
[00:34:42]  Everybody's running, it's just a few dudes, like one, two, three, four, five, six.
[00:34:48]  Yeah, because you should try to do things within a pace of seven breaths.
[00:34:51]  You should think seven times.
[00:34:53]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:34:53]  You could think, you actually can think seven times before you respond.
[00:34:57]  That's how fast the mind moves.
[00:34:59]  But motherfuckers is going off the impulse, off the fear.
[00:35:03]  Right?
[00:35:03]  So the punchline I was trying to get to, I digress by going to the runny nose and to the shooting.
[00:35:11]  But other thing Papa said was that, yo, God, don't let doubt into you.
[00:35:16]  That's why Old Dirty says it on the song War High.
[00:35:19]  Because Papa Wall was talking to me, Dirty, 12 o'clock, the young guys.
[00:35:26]  He was an older God.
[00:35:27]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:35:28]  And he would say, Yo, God, don't never let doubt enter your mind because doubt stops you.
[00:35:32]  And so I entered a lot of these arenas without doubt.
[00:35:36]  And Dirty says it on the song Rawhide.
[00:35:38]  He goes, I never let doubt enter my mind because I know when I touch the mic, there's the rhyme.
[00:35:44]  You know what I mean?
[00:35:46]  So it's like, don't, this is it, bro.
[00:35:48]  Flow.
[00:35:49]  And so that's been my personality with so many things.
[00:35:51]  As you get older, of course, human nature, life experiences, Failures, right?
[00:35:58]  Like, don't matter, like, I don't have failures, you know what I mean?
[00:36:00]  But my failure is that failure.
[00:36:02]  It's like, like we were talking about chess earlier.
[00:36:04]  Like, I played a lot of chess because you could die a thousand times on the chessboard.
[00:36:10]  Okay, so what?
[00:36:11]  Play again.
[00:36:12]  Yeah.
[00:36:12]  Just make sure that don't happen in life.
[00:36:14]  You know what I mean?
[00:36:15]  So, yeah, anyway.
[00:36:18]  No, I just love this idea of like, don't let doubt creep in.
[00:36:21]  Yeah, bro.
[00:36:21]  And like the confidence and the power of confidence.
[00:36:24]  There was this thing with Wu, I felt.
[00:36:27]  And not even was, still is, is it like, it just felt like you guys had decided that you were the best at rapping.
[00:36:36]  And nobody else decided it, and you guys did, and then everybody else was like, yeah, I think they might be the best at rapping.
[00:36:43]  It's like you can almost, you can almost like ooze confidence into reality.
[00:36:50]  And yo, listen, hold on.
[00:36:51]  Now, if you go pound for pound and you write out our lyrics, you might find that we were right.
[00:36:56]  No, I'm not saying you're wrong.
[00:36:58]  I know, I know, I know.
[00:36:59]  It's like you guys believed it, they manifested it first, yeah, they manifested it into reality, right?
[00:37:04]  Right, and then it just became this thing where it was almost like people who were hip hop heads took on Wu as an I as part of their own identity.
[00:37:15]  Like, if you with Wu Tang, it was a way where you could communicate, like, yeah, I like real hip hop, right?
[00:37:20]  I like real rap, right?
[00:37:21]  Right, opposed to, I don't know, maybe there's some mainstream, I'm not sure I should have talked to anybody, but it's like, yeah, and I'm I always wondered where that ethos came from, but it's got to come from you guys believing it, yeah.
[00:37:33]  And if it looks like there's fractures in the belief, why would someone else believe it?
[00:37:36]  Exactly.
[00:37:37]  That's true.
[00:37:38]  So if you all felt you were the best, who in the group was the best of the best?
[00:37:43]  But that's good because it interchanged.
[00:37:45]  Oh, so.
[00:37:46]  Even to you, it interchanged?
[00:37:47]  Yeah, we talked about that.
[00:37:48]  At one point, yo, like, first of all, the Jizzle was the best.
[00:37:52]  That's who I always thought.
[00:37:53]  You thought lyrically was.
[00:37:54]  That was the.
[00:37:55]  Okay.
[00:37:56]  But then as time went on, somebody else could sit in that seat, right?
[00:38:00]  Or somebody could say something that year.
[00:38:02]  Like who?
[00:38:03]  Like, at one point, Killer Priest was the best.
[00:38:05]  You know what Killer Priest is?
[00:38:07]  No.
[00:38:07]  Exactly, right?
[00:38:09]  But he's one of us, right?
[00:38:10]  At one point, Killer Priest, we was like, Killer Priest is the illest nigga.
[00:38:14]  What was the song?
[00:38:15]  What was the.
[00:38:16]  He fucking wrote, when he wrote that Heavy Mental album, and he had to sit almost there.
[00:38:24]  But what happened was, you may know him from the Jizza album, he's on that song, Bible, Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
[00:38:32]  Before Leaving Earth, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:33]  Right?
[00:38:34]  But at one point, and so Jizza, he's a Jizza student as well.
[00:38:39]  So, Killer Priest, Me and Master Killer are all students of the Jizza.
[00:38:43]  And Dirty became my student.
[00:38:45]  And the rest of the Wu brothers look at us, me, Dirty, and Jizza as the three elders.
[00:38:50]  The three elders.
[00:38:52]  And then they pick it from us.
[00:38:53]  But then when Ghost became the best, yo.
[00:38:55]  Yeah.
[00:38:56]  No, seriously.
[00:38:57]  Ghost became the best.
[00:38:58]  And it was my job.
[00:38:59]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:39:01]  And then even like with Ray, like Ray, like from 2004 or 5 or some shit.
[00:39:11]  Like when he started doing the purple tape part two.
[00:39:15]  What about what?
[00:39:16]  Well, part one, it was Ghost that just like fucking like, who the fuck is this guy?
[00:39:22]  Like, I remember Dirty said it.
[00:39:23]  Dirty was like, yo, Ghost is the best now.
[00:39:27]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:39:28]  Now, is there ego between the guys, or is there like, is there this like camaraderie where you just kind of accept this martial artist is the nicest at this point in time?
[00:39:37]  I mean, you may feel differently, you know what I mean?
[00:39:39]  So, but it's never, you know, like if you feel that way, what you gonna do?
[00:39:44]  You gonna go right.
[00:39:45]  Oh, so you could, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:48]  You know who's killing it right now?
[00:39:50]  To me, almost like 20 bars back to back meth.
[00:39:54]  Yeah, Meph has gone crazy.
[00:39:56]  That is nasty, dude.
[00:39:57]  What the fuck?
[00:39:57]  Meph is like.
[00:39:58]  He's lifting.
[00:40:00]  Yeah, he went total superhero on the mic, in the gym, on the front of the camera.
[00:40:07]  Yeah.
[00:40:08]  And it's like, at one point, you know, he was always.
[00:40:12]  He was nice.
[00:40:13]  Yeah, he was always.
[00:40:14]  Like, trust me, when we first came in, like, every one of them had something from me sitting here as the Abbott that was the best in that field and the best technique that adds to the wool.
[00:40:26]  You know what I mean?
[00:40:27]  It's like, I knew Ghost and Ray were street niggas, and all the street niggas is fucking with these niggas.
[00:40:32]  For real.
[00:40:33]  And not no facade.
[00:40:36]  Real.
[00:40:36]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:37]  They trusted it.
[00:40:39]  Yeah, these are the high school dropout felons that's about to fucking make a record.
[00:40:45]  Yeah.
[00:40:46]  With the talent to do it.
[00:40:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:40:48]  Right.
[00:40:49]  And you knew meth could cross over.
[00:40:51]  Yeah.
[00:40:51]  You knew meth was going to be mainstream.
[00:40:52]  And also, I felt that even though as time changed, I think he.
[00:40:59]  He's less flowing than he used to because now he's kind of patterning his, like he kind of has a pattern that he maybe used 10 times in a row.
[00:41:07]  But in the beginning, I said nobody in the industry flows like meth.
[00:41:12]  Meth invent flows every day.
[00:41:14]  In fact, if you go back and check Method Man Flows, you can find 10 other successful rappers that are taking that one flow and it made it their entire, their entire flow.
[00:41:25]  Okay, when you guys see, you said this earlier about like it's important to pass it on, like you make the fire and you go do that.
[00:41:31]  When you guys are talking amongst yourselves, are you going, man, look, we birthed all these dudes?
[00:41:37]  Like, are you seeing your influence in music?
[00:41:40]  Not just music, but like, especially in music.
[00:41:42]  And is there like a pride in it?
[00:41:44]  Or is there a part where, like, oh, they're biting?
[00:41:47]  There's some sharks out there.
[00:41:49]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:49]  In the 90s, it was probably, we probably reacted more like biting.
[00:41:52]  But now it's.
[00:41:53]  I don't want a nigga sound like me on no album.
[00:41:56]  Yeah.
[00:41:58]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:59]  Yeah.
[00:42:00]  But then as we evolve, it's also like we actually.
[00:42:03]  I think we actually appreciate the culture, the other heroes, and even admire them now.
[00:42:09]  Which is serious.
[00:42:10]  It's a beautiful thing, bro, to get out of your own way.
[00:42:13]  Bro, yes.
[00:42:15]  But hard for creatives.
[00:42:17]  Yeah, but beautiful because it's just like, you know, it's like Mike Tyson, right?
[00:42:24]  Of course, he was the champion of my generation, bro.
[00:42:28]  It's like one of the, like, come on, Mike Tyson.
[00:42:30]  Yeah, come on.
[00:42:30]  Right?
[00:42:33]  Muhammad Ali's generation is like, nah, Muhammad Ali.
[00:42:35]  Every generation is going to have their own.
[00:42:37]  Exactly.
[00:42:37]  There are kids that grow up with LeBron that never watched Jordan play.
[00:42:40]  Exactly.
[00:42:41]  And we're arguing with them.
[00:42:42]  Yeah.
[00:42:43]  But why would we?
[00:42:44]  They only know LeBron.
[00:42:46]  Exactly.
[00:42:47]  And now, the beauty of it all, though, is that there's a Hall of Fame.
[00:42:51]  Yes.
[00:42:52]  Right?
[00:42:52]  And it ain't one person in that Hall of Fame, it's hundreds of people.
[00:42:56]  Right.
[00:42:57]  So.
[00:42:57]  But you just got inducted into it.
[00:42:58]  That's what you got inducted into.
[00:42:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:00]  Congratulations, brother.
[00:43:01]  Thank you.
[00:43:01]  Thank you.
[00:43:02]  Can I ask you a story about ODB?
[00:43:06]  This is what I heard from Joe Rogan.
[00:43:08]  He references this.
[00:43:09]  Recently?
[00:43:10]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:11]  I saw a clip of it and I didn't hear the whole story, so I'm so curious.
[00:43:15]  He is incarcerated at Rikers for a period of time, and then you and the rest of the squad go to visit him.
[00:43:21]  And what happens in that visit?
[00:43:23]  Oh, they let us in.
[00:43:25]  They let Wu Tang perform in Rikers, bro.
[00:43:27]  Hold on.
[00:43:28]  They performed?
[00:43:30]  Straight up.
[00:43:30]  But do you have to, like, petition the city?
[00:43:32]  Tell us the whole story.
[00:43:34]  What happened?
[00:43:36]  I forgot who did the business.
[00:43:37]  I think Mook, my cousin Mook, he was on the management team.
[00:43:44]  He might have been the one that kept working his hand to get it done.
[00:43:48]  But Dirty was locked up, bro.
[00:43:49]  And I don't know who came with the idea.
[00:43:51]  Because it wasn't me.
[00:43:53]  But it was like, yo, let's go and visit, let's go perform in Rikers.
[00:43:57]  We can perform in Rikers with Old Dirty.
[00:44:00]  Like, in jail, they're going to let him come, and Wu Tang is going to perform in Rikers Island, bro.
[00:44:06]  Yo, that's crazy.
[00:44:07]  No, sis, but the funny part.
[00:44:08]  I don't know if you could be in prison going, ooh, baby, I like it raw.
[00:44:12]  Skip that one.
[00:44:15]  Skip that one.
[00:44:19]  This guy's good.
[00:44:19]  You know what's so crazy?
[00:44:24]  Dirty went in there vegan.
[00:44:26]  No.
[00:44:27]  When I came in, we got in there.
[00:44:29]  They was like, lunch.
[00:44:30]  He was like, he had two hamburgers.
[00:44:32]  And he was like, yo, God, fuck that.
[00:44:34]  So you got to eat meat in this motherfucker's house.
[00:44:37]  So you got to eat meat in this motherfucker's house.
[00:44:43]  So you guys show up, and is it planned that there's going to be a concert?
[00:44:46]  Yeah, yo, yo, seriously.
[00:44:47]  Like, they had it set up, bro.
[00:44:49]  They let the guys out and shit.
[00:44:52]  They let the prisoners get their little location.
[00:44:55]  They got the wool.
[00:44:56]  It wasn't a great sound system.
[00:44:59]  This is the producer talking.
[00:45:02]  It wasn't the great sound system and shit.
[00:45:04]  But yo, nah, but we did that for him, with him, for him, and for Vikers, bro.
[00:45:10]  Which is crazy in hindsight.
[00:45:14]  Like, there's so many things that's kind of like, I won't say a blur, but like you bring that up, it's like, that kind of don't make sense.
[00:45:21]  It sounds crazy to me.
[00:45:22]  Yeah, no, no.
[00:45:23]  At this phase, it's like, wow.
[00:45:26]  The, the, the, the, what do I call it?
[00:45:29]  Our camaraderie, our brotherhood, our single focus awareness.
[00:45:39]  I'm gonna say that single, like, it's our world.
[00:45:43]  We're moving in our world, regardless of the world.
[00:45:47]  How do you get so many people to get on board with one vision?
[00:45:54]  That was, we gave our word on that.

=== Our Single Focus World (14:42) ===

[00:45:57]  You know what I mean?
[00:45:59]  Did it help that you guys had relationships prior?
[00:46:02]  That it wasn't just an art thing because sometimes people can be looking for opportunity in art.
[00:46:08]  Not just art, but just any kind of like entertainment.
[00:46:11]  So maybe the relationship isn't as strong as you think it is because it's actually more opportunistic.
[00:46:16]  This is literally family.
[00:46:17]  You guys were actually family.
[00:46:19]  Our mothers knew each other.
[00:46:20]  Yeah.
[00:46:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:46:22]  Our mothers knew each other.
[00:46:24]  Some dude's first blunt is at Capadonna's house.
[00:46:28]  His mom was letting them smoke it.
[00:46:29]  Not to talk about Miss Linda like that.
[00:46:31]  My mom's name was Linda.
[00:46:33]  Too though, right?
[00:46:34]  But I'm just saying.
[00:46:35]  Could be anywhere though.
[00:46:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:38]  But you know, it was just like, but she said she'd rather it happen there where she could see them than rather it's somewhere in the streets.
[00:46:45]  You know what I mean?
[00:46:47]  You know, Miss Dell, you know, my moms, like Dex said, you know, they come to my crib and you could make these demos and you could turn the music up and you could get that music out.
[00:46:59]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:01]  That was our.
[00:47:04]  Some of us, our childhood, young adult, like me and Raekwon's in the third grade together, bro.
[00:47:08]  Crazy.
[00:47:09]  So it's just like, and not only were we in the third grade together, he was my best friend.
[00:47:14]  You know what I mean?
[00:47:14]  It's like he wasn't in the third grade, it's like some kid over there that I remember from the third grade.
[00:47:18]  We walked home from school every day, you know what I mean?
[00:47:21]  Yeah, before this happens, and then what a month saw you on that.
[00:47:25]  Then I moved to uh Brooklyn, yeah, and I go to a uh, I'm like 11, 12, um, go to a weed spot.
[00:47:36]  That's how it was back then.
[00:47:37]  He's working in there in Brooklyn.
[00:47:41]  Oh, oh, like, yeah, that's it.
[00:47:46]  That's how that's how the woo life is like that, you know what I mean?
[00:47:48]  It's like it was so.
[00:47:50]  But I think it starts with my mother.
[00:47:52]  You got mother and my mom's.
[00:47:55]  Like, you guys know, when you was in Howard, when I was living in Howard, my mother was living right there.
[00:48:00]  It's like, oh, wow, right.
[00:48:02]  So, our mothers had history and vibes.
[00:48:07]  And so, when we came together, it was another layer.
[00:48:11]  Now, some of us, not that, right?
[00:48:12]  Because Meph is from Long Island.
[00:48:13]  Yeah.
[00:48:14]  But still, he moved to Staten Island at 14.
[00:48:18]  Got it.
[00:48:18]  So now, in two years, he's part of the crew.
[00:48:21]  Yeah, he's in it.
[00:48:21]  Yeah.
[00:48:22]  Wow.
[00:48:22]  Wait, but you moved to Brooklyn and then you moved back to Staten Island?
[00:48:25]  Yeah, I've been back and forth between Brooklyn and Staten Island.
[00:48:27]  I'm born in Brooklyn, FYI.
[00:48:29]  Kings County Hospital.
[00:48:30]  Of course.
[00:48:31]  All the fuck is going to die.
[00:48:33]  But at that time, it's gotten better.
[00:48:37]  It's gotten better.
[00:48:38]  It's got time.
[00:48:41]  Brownsville, baby.
[00:48:42]  You know what I mean?
[00:48:43]  Basically.
[00:48:45]  But my grandmother always lived on Staten Island.
[00:48:47]  So you're there on the weekends or whatever?
[00:48:48]  There on the weekends or there because, you know, man, let me say one thing about my family, bro.
[00:48:55]  Before I was 20, I lived in 21 different locations.
[00:48:59]  Wow.
[00:49:00]  Yeah.
[00:49:01]  That's us, bro.
[00:49:02]  And it was always like, you know, like, oh, Linda and those kids back on the streets again.
[00:49:07]  Really?
[00:49:08]  Yeah.
[00:49:08]  It was tough.
[00:49:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:49:10]  Yeah, it was tough.
[00:49:10]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:49:11]  So, but that's New York.
[00:49:13]  It was always something like, oh, my mother just got a new apartment.
[00:49:16]  She sent us down south until she got herself together.
[00:49:19]  Right.
[00:49:20]  Okay, now she's bringing us back.
[00:49:22]  Mind you, it's like, it's already five of us.
[00:49:24]  It's a two bedroom.
[00:49:25]  Yeah.
[00:49:26]  Right now it's six, right?
[00:49:28]  Another six kids.
[00:49:28]  So now we come back.
[00:49:31]  We're happy to come back home.
[00:49:33]  Somebody, I don't know if my little brother might set the mattress on fire.
[00:49:37]  Oh.
[00:49:39]  Back down south.
[00:49:42]  Back to Staten Island with grandma.
[00:49:44]  Then I'll say, oh, you got another place where you live on 169 Cooper Street.
[00:49:49]  Fucking, that's the LL train, the Wilson Avenue.
[00:49:51]  Bro, that's a long ride, bro.
[00:49:54]  You guys had a, you were 11, one out of 11?
[00:49:56]  Yeah, one out of 11.
[00:49:58]  Where does somebody with 11 kids in New York City live?
[00:50:02]  Swear where they can, bro.
[00:50:04]  No, listen.
[00:50:04]  I don't know.
[00:50:05]  It's yo, when Ghost, like when Ghost wrote the song, because Ghost, so Ghost, I think he's one of five or six.
[00:50:12]  Dirty is one of seven.
[00:50:14]  Dirty parents, let's talk about New York, they're both city workers.
[00:50:18]  His father's transit and mother's a 911 officer.
[00:50:22]  So they got Christmas toys.
[00:50:24]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:50:30]  Ghost's house is single mother.
[00:50:33]  My house is mostly single mother.
[00:50:35]  My father.
[00:50:37]  Moved away when I was three.
[00:50:40]  Then my stepfather moves in, but then he goes to jail.
[00:50:44]  So it's that.
[00:50:46]  My dynamic is that.
[00:50:47]  So my mother is a single mother.
[00:50:49]  And when we say, a ghost said, four in the bed, two at the front, two at the head, yeah, that's my house right there.
[00:50:57]  Wow.
[00:50:57]  You know what I mean?
[00:50:58]  It's like, yo, you wake up, somebody's toe was in my nose.
[00:51:04]  I mean, you just think about it, like, people living in Owasa right now, they might go, okay, if you have a house, you can find different places to put people.
[00:51:12]  When you're in an apartment.
[00:51:13]  Bruh.
[00:51:14]  Yeah.
[00:51:14]  Let me get one more of those.
[00:51:15]  I want to go poverty porn here.
[00:51:20]  But, bro, at one point, 19 people, two bedroom apartment, bro.
[00:51:28]  No way.
[00:51:29]  Check this out.
[00:51:30]  Damn.
[00:51:31]  And you're not even Mexican.
[00:51:33]  You know what your bed is?
[00:51:37]  You ever seen those moving blankets?
[00:51:39]  Yeah.
[00:51:40]  You got to make a pile.
[00:51:41]  No way.
[00:51:42]  You know what I mean?
[00:51:42]  And, yo, I'm going to school.
[00:51:44]  And I got a girlfriend.
[00:51:46]  Right?
[00:51:46]  Like, this is.
[00:51:47]  You bringing her over?
[00:51:48]  No.
[00:51:50]  Everything I did was timed.
[00:51:53]  Like, I know if I leave school early, get there at two.
[00:51:56]  Nobody's gonna be at the house.
[00:51:58]  Exactly.
[00:51:59]  But you gotta get her out before 3 30 when the rest of the kids are back.
[00:52:02]  Exactly.
[00:52:03]  Bro.
[00:52:03]  Wow.
[00:52:04]  It was a very, yeah.
[00:52:07]  I didn't have a nickel for the bus, bro.
[00:52:10]  I had the bus pass and no nickel.
[00:52:13]  I'm not making this up, bro.
[00:52:15]  Hold on.
[00:52:15]  Hold on.
[00:52:16]  But you know what happens, though?
[00:52:17]  I walk to school.
[00:52:18]  This is high school.
[00:52:19]  Why?
[00:52:19]  Because they gave you the half fare.
[00:52:21]  They gave you the, no, the half fare was not bad.
[00:52:24]  I had the nickel pass.
[00:52:25]  It's even better than a half for the hair.
[00:52:26]  All you gotta do is pay a nickel.
[00:52:28]  But you didn't even have the nickel.
[00:52:29]  When I was a kid, I had a bus pass where you could just go or whatever.
[00:52:32]  It was like they gave you the school bus pass.
[00:52:34]  Yeah, but you had to pay 45 cents.
[00:52:35]  No, it was totally free.
[00:52:36]  You were totally free?
[00:52:37]  Yeah, in the white schools, they just give you the whole thing.
[00:52:39]  That's crazy.
[00:52:39]  There you go.
[00:52:40]  Motherfucker, you know.
[00:52:42]  Yeah, I got the half pass.
[00:52:43]  That's crazy.
[00:52:44]  So it's a half original man, right?
[00:52:46]  Going to school is a half original man.
[00:52:48]  Discovering the poor part of the place.
[00:52:50]  We let him do it.
[00:52:52]  No, fucked up.
[00:52:53]  No, the pass was based on how close you lived to the school.
[00:52:57]  So we live downtown, but I went to Wagner Middle School.
[00:53:01]  Okay.
[00:53:02]  Wagner's on 76.
[00:53:04]  Okay, okay.
[00:53:05]  But we live downtown.
[00:53:06]  Right.
[00:53:06]  So I think it was far enough where you got the full.
[00:53:09]  But that's for the train.
[00:53:10]  For the subway, yeah.
[00:53:11]  But you could use it for the bus system.
[00:53:12]  For the bus.
[00:53:13]  Yeah, but Staten Island, look, Staten Island don't really got a train system like that.
[00:53:16]  So they just make you pay a nickel.
[00:53:19]  Pay a nickel.
[00:53:19]  You got to pay a nickel.
[00:53:20]  And would the bus driver ever not let you on for.
[00:53:23]  Bro, some days I got on because I put my hand over that motherfucker.
[00:53:31]  You're kicking it.
[00:53:31]  Kid off the bus for not having nickels.
[00:53:33]  They kicked me and my little brother.
[00:53:36]  My little brother always tells me this story because this happened in Brooklyn, though.
[00:53:40]  So, Dirty House was he lived in Linden Plaza.
[00:53:43]  So, now I moved back to Brownsville.
[00:53:45]  I'm living in Van Dyke Projects, right?
[00:53:48]  Which is tough.
[00:53:49]  That's it right there.
[00:53:51]  And this is the eighth grade, though.
[00:53:53]  So, like I said, I live 21 places, bro.
[00:53:56]  I've been to, if I go through the list of schools I've been to, you know what I mean?
[00:54:02]  Most people go to two, you go to three schools.
[00:54:05]  You go to elementary, middle, high school, done.
[00:54:07]  Yeah, no, bro.
[00:54:08]  You went to 20.
[00:54:09]  Not 20 schools, but I went to a lot of schools.
[00:54:11]  I went to, for elementary, I went one, two, three, five.
[00:54:14]  Jesus.
[00:54:16]  For junior high, I only did two in junior high because junior high is a short stretch, but I did IS 61 on Staten Island, and then I went to 275 in Brooklyn, which is on Rockaway and Heckman.
[00:54:29]  Listen.
[00:54:30]  How is that?
[00:54:31]  Is that by you?
[00:54:31]  No, no, no.
[00:54:32]  That's Jabraka Wipova.
[00:54:33]  You know where Amboy and all that shit is?
[00:54:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:37]  Yeah.
[00:54:38]  It's just like MOP.
[00:54:40]  Those are real.
[00:54:41]  They're real.
[00:54:42]  Like that neighborhood, those are my homies back in that day.
[00:54:45]  You're 13 years old, but the dude you're hanging with in the eighth grade, he's 16.
[00:54:50]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:54:53]  He's in the middle school.
[00:54:54]  Yeah, he's 16 in the middle school, yo.
[00:54:56]  And that school had a fucking.
[00:54:59]  Driving you to middle school.
[00:55:02]  Yo, that school had a fucking.
[00:55:05]  Bro, it had like another, like a mental health wing.
[00:55:10]  Like a mental impaired wing.
[00:55:11]  Oh, yeah.
[00:55:12]  Oh, yeah.
[00:55:12]  They put the re reason though.
[00:55:13]  Yeah.
[00:55:14]  Yeah, you want to put that.
[00:55:15]  They should do like that.
[00:55:17]  Oh, they were too close.
[00:55:18]  There's some spillover.
[00:55:25]  That's not a good idea.
[00:55:30]  You had a few trickle into your classroom.
[00:55:32]  You're dealing with a lot of different problems, bro.
[00:55:38]  Anyway, let's get out of that shit.
[00:55:43]  What happened?
[00:55:44]  What happened?
[00:55:44]  That's what I need to know.
[00:55:45]  In which way?
[00:55:46]  I need to know what happened when they were mixing the classrooms.
[00:55:49]  Man, all type of shit, bro.
[00:55:50]  I mean, you're dealing with, first of all, you're dealing, first of all, that school, the school is, trust me, that school was like, it was dangerous, man.
[00:56:03]  Okay?
[00:56:04]  And maybe I was, you know, I was naive, part of the fucking danger at the end of the day, right?
[00:56:09]  I'm running with, you know, running with the, with the, with the, but yo, like, like, like, students from that school, you know, they made the paper.
[00:56:17]  Yeah.
[00:56:18]  You know what I mean?
[00:56:18]  And not in a good way.
[00:56:19]  Yeah.
[00:56:20]  You know what I mean?
[00:56:21]  You know, like, Like, so on, shooting here, shooting here, death here, death here, death here.
[00:56:26]  So, there's two things that's happening.
[00:56:28]  One, you're dealing with poverty and oppression in communities.
[00:56:32]  Two, you're dealing with now taking these communities, this, this, this, and you're stuffing all this fucking energy in one place.
[00:56:40]  You got some motherfuckers that ain't playing with a full deck.
[00:56:43]  They're up in there too.
[00:56:45]  You know what I mean?
[00:56:46]  You got girls that's up in there too.
[00:56:48]  And they're loose, and it's too much shit, bro.
[00:56:51]  And then you got teachers that don't care.
[00:56:55]  I did have one teacher that did care, right?
[00:56:57]  Not two that care, but this one teacher, I forgot his name, but I won't forget his moment.
[00:57:04]  I was scientifically advanced, right?
[00:57:08]  My ideas about science was like, you know what I mean?
[00:57:14]  And they wanted to send me to Stuyvesant.
[00:57:17]  Oh, wow.
[00:57:18]  Yeah, you know what I mean?
[00:57:19]  It's like I was there.
[00:57:21]  For anybody who's not from New York City, Stuyvesant is like the elite of elite schools in the city that you have to test into and like.
[00:57:28]  Yeah, I didn't get close.
[00:57:30]  Yeah, me neither.
[00:57:31]  There's Stuyvesant, then there's Brooklyn Sec and Bronx Science.
[00:57:35]  And those are the three most elite educations you can get in New York City outside of going to some fancy private school.
[00:57:41]  And even a fancy private school, I don't know if the education is going to be as competitive as a Stuyvesant.
[00:57:48]  But I just started playing hooky.
[00:57:51]  Really?
[00:57:51]  Yeah, I started playing hooky.
[00:57:52]  So the teacher sees you and he's like, all right, this kid is actually really sharp.
[00:57:57]  We have to do something to harness this energy.
[00:57:59]  We got to get him out of here.
[00:58:00]  Because there's a direction he could go over there.
[00:58:02]  Yeah, we're going to send him over there.
[00:58:04]  And then my drama teacher, I do remember his name, Mr. Greenberg, he realized that I had this type of like, the thugs was listening to me.
[00:58:18]  Oh, so you had like a leadership call?
[00:58:20]  Yeah, the skinny dude got all the big motherfuckers fucking with him.
[00:58:26]  Right?
[00:58:26]  And so he realized that.
[00:58:27]  He's like, they keep gravitating.
[00:58:29]  But I was kind of, my knowledge was ahead.
[00:58:31]  You know what I mean?
[00:58:32]  So, does he pull you aside and say something?
[00:58:33]  Yeah, he's like, okay, I want you guys to perform at the school play, you know, whatever, big school performance this year, right?
[00:58:44]  You know, I'm going to pass all of y'all basically, and you guys do this.
[00:58:47]  And motherfuckers, he says, and I want you to kind of lead it, right?
[00:58:51]  So, I get the team together, right?
[00:58:54]  And I put together an idea that we're going to do like a, we're going to be preachers, and we're going to do a sermon, and we're going to do all this shit, right?
[00:59:04]  And it's kind of cool.
[00:59:05]  And we do it for the teacher.
[00:59:06]  We rehearse it.
[00:59:08]  And he's like, you know, he's like, you, yeah, it's going to work.
[00:59:14]  The day of nobody shows up.
[00:59:19]  Damn.
[00:59:20]  All the, but these are, trust me, these are thugs, bro.
[00:59:23]  They're not getting on that stage, bro.
[00:59:25]  But that's how, like, the fear of talking in public is greater than the fear of shooting people in the street.
[00:59:32]  Yo, you know what?
[00:59:33]  Yeah.
[00:59:35]  Isn't that crazy, though?
[00:59:37]  But what happens is that, so, but it's what I learned from that.
[00:59:39]  That is great.
[00:59:40]  So, wait, do you still do it, though?
[00:59:41]  Well, no.
[00:59:41]  Check it out.
[00:59:42]  That's what I learned.
[00:59:43]  I get there, and it's a slot.
[00:59:46]  And Mr. Greenberg is like, I'm like, nobody's here.
[00:59:50]  He's like, go do it yourself.
[00:59:52]  I'm like, he says, go do it yourself.
[00:59:57]  And he walks away.
[00:59:58]  And the slot is coming.
[01:00:00]  Like, it's like 20 minutes of the slot.
[01:00:01]  I'm like, what the fuck?
[01:00:05]  Like, I'm thinking about it.
[01:00:08]  And then I go sit in the fucking audience, bro.
[01:00:12]  Wow.
[01:00:13]  And when the time comes, guess what happens?
[01:00:16]  The curtain opens.
[01:00:17]  And fucking Mr. Greenberg is there by himself.
[01:00:21]  And he pissed on the fucking greatest improvisation I've ever seen in my fucking life.
[01:00:25]  He's using different voices.
[01:00:27]  He's doing all types of shit, bro.
[01:00:30]  I mean, blowing my fucking brain.
[01:00:32]  And I was like, holy shit.
[01:00:34]  And I learned from that moment that, yo, bro, just do it.
[01:00:38]  Just do it.
[01:00:39]  Just do it.

=== Mr. Greenberg Opens Curtain (11:23) ===

[01:00:40]  No doubt.
[01:00:41]  I left school.
[01:00:42]  I never went back to that school.
[01:00:44]  After that moment?
[01:00:45]  After that moment, bro.
[01:00:46]  Why?
[01:00:46]  Because this is like towards the spring, again, close to summer.
[01:00:48]  Fuck school.
[01:00:49]  Right.
[01:00:50]  I'm just saying.
[01:00:52]  You can't learn in the spring.
[01:00:54]  The weather's and shit.
[01:00:55]  The parks open.
[01:00:57]  I said, I'll go to 42nd Street and sit in the fucking theater.
[01:01:01]  Then they started, then you get arrested.
[01:01:03]  Right.
[01:01:04]  Back in those days, they were arrested motherfuckers.
[01:01:05]  Me and Dirty was in the back of truant vans weekly, bro.
[01:01:09]  Yeah.
[01:01:10]  Hmm.
[01:01:11]  42nd Street.
[01:01:12]  Still, bro, I don't know.
[01:01:14]  You think about this shit.
[01:01:15]  Yeah, I think about it.
[01:01:16]  I got to think about it.
[01:01:17]  Where the fuck is the system at, right?
[01:01:20]  I guess the system is that.
[01:01:22]  The system is.
[01:01:25]  Penal.
[01:01:26]  Yes.
[01:01:26]  The system is more penal than.
[01:01:28]  Yes.
[01:01:29]  Yeah, that's what it is.
[01:01:30]  It's not trying to create opportunity or.
[01:01:33]  It's penal.
[01:01:33]  Yeah.
[01:01:34]  So, anyway, but yeah, I don't know how we got to all that shit.
[01:01:36]  We're going outside.
[01:01:37]  So, anyway, so what do you do?
[01:01:38]  So, you leave school.
[01:01:39]  I leave school.
[01:01:40]  Do you leave out of like guilt or shame or do you leave just out of both?
[01:01:44]  Both.
[01:01:44]  Interesting.
[01:01:44]  So, you did feel.
[01:01:46]  No, I felt fucked up that I didn't stand up for the moment.
[01:01:51]  I felt even more fucked up, but yet I was inspired that, wait.
[01:01:55]  Because I never even seen my teacher do this shit, bro.
[01:01:57]  So you saw a different side of him and you're like, yeah.
[01:02:00]  In fact, he always said, like, his claim to fame was that he was invited.
[01:02:06]  I don't know if it was the Grammys or the Oscars, but he did something that he got an invitation to California, whatever that was.
[01:02:15]  And that was, like, his claim to fame.
[01:02:17]  He's just a Brooklyn school teacher, white man, green eyes, kind of looked like, kind of had a little bit of.
[01:02:28]  Oversized Hackman in him, little Gene Hackman, because they have a little Gene Hackman in them and shit.
[01:02:36]  Mr. Greenberg, that's, and you know, you don't even believe his story.
[01:02:41]  Yeah.
[01:02:41]  Like, yo, yeah, I was, you know, I've been, he's an English teacher and a drama teacher.
[01:02:45]  Right.
[01:02:46]  But when he did that, I believed him.
[01:02:49]  Yeah.
[01:02:49]  You know what I mean?
[01:02:50]  And I thought.
[01:02:51]  Sorry.
[01:02:52]  Did he do a rendition of like your play or he just freestyled?
[01:02:55]  Yo, he just freestyled, bro.
[01:02:57]  He did voices, he did Abbott Casa.
[01:03:01]  Yo, this dude was good, bro.
[01:03:04]  He was killing it.
[01:03:04]  I'm telling you, I was like, holy shit.
[01:03:07]  But then, like I said, I kind of whimpered out of there, didn't go back to class.
[01:03:11]  I was smoking weed already by then anyway.
[01:03:13]  So just know that, which was sad.
[01:03:15]  I don't smoke weed now.
[01:03:16]  Thank you.
[01:03:16]  But I was, you know, just ran with my man, Scientific.
[01:03:20]  Shout out to Scientific.
[01:03:22]  This dude, Scientific, yo.
[01:03:24]  It's another guy who taught me something.
[01:03:25]  Let me tell you what he taught me.
[01:03:27]  So now, this is like all the same, like last two months of me being at this school.
[01:03:32]  I'm getting out of here.
[01:03:33]  Okay.
[01:03:34]  I'm leaving.
[01:03:35]  But Scientific, he never comes to school anyway.
[01:03:38]  But it's me and him, another brother, General Bourne, and some other brothers and shit.
[01:03:44]  And you know, we who we are.
[01:03:47]  Damn, but nobody's really coming to school that much but me.
[01:03:50]  Right?
[01:03:51]  And then there's this big giant motherfucker, bro.
[01:03:54]  That I don't know how I got into a beat for this nigga, bro.
[01:03:58]  But this nigga had it out for me.
[01:03:59]  He had to be 17, bro.
[01:04:01]  Or either from the special head side or something, bro.
[01:04:03]  This dude's mad.
[01:04:04]  Yo, this dude's.
[01:04:07]  You know what I mean?
[01:04:07]  I did not have the confidence to fight this dude.
[01:04:11]  You know what I mean?
[01:04:12]  I'm 12 going on 13, right?
[01:04:13]  13, whatever, going on 14 maybe.
[01:04:15]  Whatever, whatever.
[01:04:16]  I didn't have it.
[01:04:16]  You're not fighting a 17 year old.
[01:04:17]  You're not fighting a young man.
[01:04:18]  And not, and he was, and he was, yo, and his physical appearance.
[01:04:24]  You know what I mean?
[01:04:25]  Like some dudes, like, yo, they look like it.
[01:04:27]  Yeah.
[01:04:29]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:04:31]  He got the size and he got the fucking look.
[01:04:33]  Yeah.
[01:04:33]  And he just was like, yo, after school, you know what I mean?
[01:04:37]  He's gonna do me in.
[01:04:40]  And shit.
[01:04:40]  And yeah, I had to duck out early that day.
[01:04:45]  You know what I mean?
[01:04:48]  And when I did, I ducked out.
[01:04:50]  I went to my man's scientific neighborhood.
[01:04:52]  Scientific was selling weed and all that, so he was already slinging.
[01:04:55]  And I caught up with him.
[01:04:57]  And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:04:59]  Oh, yo, yeah, you know what, yo, this, this, yo.
[01:05:02]  No, in fact, no.
[01:05:03]  I caught up with him.
[01:05:03]  I didn't tell him.
[01:05:04]  Somebody else told him.
[01:05:06]  Oh, that you had the fight and then you weren't there.
[01:05:08]  Yeah.
[01:05:08]  So you pull up with Scientific.
[01:05:09]  Scientific's like, yo, why aren't you at the time?
[01:05:11]  Yeah, so I'm like this, right?
[01:05:13]  Scientific is up here to me at the time.
[01:05:16]  He's like Joe Pesky type shit.
[01:05:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:19]  The giant dude is up here.
[01:05:21]  Okay?
[01:05:24]  And scientifically comes to school.
[01:05:27]  He doesn't never come to school.
[01:05:29]  He comes to school the next day, bro.
[01:05:33]  And comes to my class and everything.
[01:05:36]  And then, you know, come to class.
[01:05:37]  We get out of the class.
[01:05:38]  And he said, Hold on.
[01:05:40]  Who was it?
[01:05:40]  I said, Oh.
[01:05:42]  Oh, him?
[01:05:43]  Yeah.
[01:05:44]  Come on.
[01:05:45]  Walked over, grabbed this motherfucker by the collar, bought him, smacked him twice.
[01:05:49]  Pow, pow, pow.
[01:05:51]  Do you ever.
[01:05:52]  Fuck with Raqim.
[01:05:53]  My name is Raqim then.
[01:05:54]  You ever fuck with Raqim again?
[01:05:55]  Yo, you know.
[01:05:56]  You know.
[01:05:57]  He's my son.
[01:05:59]  That's my son.
[01:06:02]  Whoa.
[01:06:02]  Yeah.
[01:06:04]  I was inspired like a motherfucker.
[01:06:09]  That was a David Goliath moment for real, yo.
[01:06:11]  And I took heed to that.
[01:06:14]  Like, two things.
[01:06:16]  One, it's great to have somebody that's champion with you.
[01:06:20]  Oh, hell yeah.
[01:06:21]  You know what I mean?
[01:06:21]  Nobody takes over nothing.
[01:06:24]  You know, no general.
[01:06:25]  No.
[01:06:26]  King takes over the country without good generals.
[01:06:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:06:30]  No general takes over without good soldiers.
[01:06:32]  You know what I mean?
[01:06:33]  So that's vital.
[01:06:35]  And then you got to know when to be the general, when to be the soldier.
[01:06:39]  You know what I mean?
[01:06:42]  I was a general at that time too, because, yo, he just did that for me.
[01:06:46]  No reward, no return.
[01:06:47]  He just don't fuck with him.
[01:06:50]  Yo, somebody just told me this the other day.
[01:06:52]  Wow.
[01:06:56]  Okay, I'm going to shout you out.
[01:06:57]  What's up, Ellis?
[01:06:58]  So Ellis, he's Method Man's manager.
[01:07:01]  He just told me a story that he never told me.
[01:07:04]  He's proud of us being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
[01:07:07]  And he just told me about some shit that was going down in the hood back in the day where, you know, some dudes had it out for me.
[01:07:17]  It was just a little neighborhood war shit.
[01:07:20]  But he told them, nah, they came to get him to join the fight against you.
[01:07:25]  Yeah.
[01:07:27]  And he told them, nah.
[01:07:28]  Math or Ellis?
[01:07:30]  Ellis.
[01:07:30]  Ellis said, no, I'm not doing it.
[01:07:31]  He said, nah, that guy is special.
[01:07:33]  He's going to be a star.
[01:07:34]  How old are you at this time?
[01:07:36]  Maybe 18 now.
[01:07:37]  Maybe 17, 18, yeah.
[01:07:39]  And so, this beef is potentially very dangerous beef.
[01:07:43]  Yeah, at that time, yeah.
[01:07:44]  Wow.
[01:07:45]  Yeah, and he just told me that.
[01:07:48]  He never shared it with me.
[01:07:48]  He just shared this with me, like, after the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announcement.
[01:07:52]  He said, Yo, I'm going to tell you something.
[01:07:54]  I never told you.
[01:07:55]  Yeah.
[01:07:55]  Basically.
[01:07:56]  Like, he saw that I was trying and I was striving and I had an energy.
[01:08:02]  You know what I mean?
[01:08:03]  So, I think that's been one of my blessings in life is that.
[01:08:09]  Sometimes there's always one amongst you that is the Noah.
[01:08:13]  He's the one.
[01:08:14]  He's the one that could build the ark.
[01:08:16]  He's the one that could guide you out.
[01:08:18]  You know what I mean?
[01:08:19]  And not just putting it all on myself.
[01:08:20]  I think me and my brother Devon, we become the Moses and Aaron of our community.
[01:08:29]  We become that Moses and Aaron that's able to.
[01:08:32]  If you look at Woo Bo, it's a lot of people that come out.
[01:08:35]  It ain't like two.
[01:08:36]  You know what I mean?
[01:08:39]  It ain't even just the 10.
[01:08:41]  Right?
[01:08:43]  It's hundreds of reality.
[01:08:44]  But even on the artist side, you start going to Sons of Man, Royal UFAM, Killer Army, Black Knights, North Star, Cream Team, I could keep going, TMF, you know what I mean?
[01:08:57]  Like, you could keep going, GP, like, you could keep going, right?
[01:09:02]  Everybody had a chance for a better day.
[01:09:06]  Everybody had a chance for, like, yo, you know what I mean?
[01:09:09]  We could do this, you know what I mean?
[01:09:10]  And I don't care if it's 30, 40 grand, 50, 60 grand a year.
[01:09:15]  Better than nothing.
[01:09:17]  Exactly.
[01:09:17]  It's a chance, you know?
[01:09:18]  And some of them is hundreds of thousands.
[01:09:20]  Yeah.
[01:09:21]  You know what I mean?
[01:09:24]  So I take that blessing in my life to be what they call the Abbott.
[01:09:30]  And I probably was even the Abbott back in junior high school.
[01:09:33]  I probably was the Abbott in high school, not even conscious of it, not identifying it.
[01:09:38]  And doing all the negative shit, even in the negative world, I mean, it was like 22 people in my crew, bro.
[01:09:45]  Oh, really?
[01:09:45]  Oh, wow.
[01:09:46]  You know what I mean?
[01:09:47]  But I was leading them.
[01:09:48]  To nothing.
[01:09:49]  Like he got shot, he got shot, he got shot.
[01:09:52]  Wow.
[01:09:52]  But then in the positive side, yo, everything turns around.
[01:09:56]  Families, communities are better.
[01:09:59]  Did any of the negative stuff follow you into the positive side?
[01:10:03]  How long before that subsided?
[01:10:06]  Like, were you concerned as you guys are on this rise to superstardom that some fuck shit from back in the day was gonna catch up?
[01:10:13]  I mean, Wu Tang.
[01:10:15]  They were involved with a lot of.
[01:10:16]  Yeah, I mean, yo, you heard about the fucking.
[01:10:20]  The Delphonics come to do a song with the Wu Tang Clan.
[01:10:23]  You know who the Delphonics are?
[01:10:25]  Philly Soul Group.
[01:10:26]  Oh, yeah.
[01:10:27]  Man, you're not.
[01:10:28]  Yeah.
[01:10:28]  Here I come.
[01:10:29]  They, like, we big fans of their shit, right?
[01:10:32]  Yeah.
[01:10:32]  Ghostface, oh, he loves them.
[01:10:33]  He loves them, man, yeah.
[01:10:35]  And William Hart, Major Harris, Major Harris is the one who made the song, Time Won't Let Me Wait, the one that Luther Rancher did over.
[01:10:44]  Anyway, these are big soul songs for us, right?
[01:10:48]  They come visit us to do a song.
[01:10:52]  And then somebody was like, yo, let's do a pizza run.
[01:10:53]  I don't know, it went from pizza, blunts, and 40s and some paper.
[01:10:58]  I didn't go, I had to stay in the studio working on the track.
[01:11:01]  Shit.
[01:11:01]  Come back, man, the band got shot up.
[01:11:04]  No way.
[01:11:05]  Yeah, buses.
[01:11:06]  And they was like, hey, man, don't worry about the blood.
[01:11:09]  We've seen all that shit in Philly.
[01:11:11]  Wow.
[01:11:11]  But I'm just saying, yeah, of course.
[01:11:13]  The element of danger was there.
[01:11:15]  All right, guys, you see the light.
[01:11:16]  You know what time it is.
[01:11:17]  All right?
[01:11:18]  You know what time it is.
[01:11:20]  Blue Chew got a new product.
[01:11:24]  Your girl's getting dug out.
[01:11:26]  Andy Dufresne.
[01:11:29]  Andy Dufresne.
[01:11:31]  The man crawled through shit for freedom.
[01:11:33]  You don't got to do it.
[01:11:34]  I thought you were talking about that Epstein victim.
[01:11:37]  I'm like, what's going on?
[01:11:38]  Come on.
[01:11:39]  How do you always make it bad?
[01:11:41]  How do you always find it?
[01:11:42]  It's like, talk about Shawshank Redemption.
[01:11:44]  I said, Shawshank.
[01:11:44]  Fuck your bitch to death.
[01:11:45]  No, what the hell?
[01:11:47]  Jesus, Shawshank Redemption.
[01:11:49]  You cannot bring that up in an ad about blue chew.
[01:11:51]  That's crazy.
[01:11:52]  Doesn't your shit go to the left a little bit?
[01:11:53]  That's the Shank part.
[01:11:57]  Yo, Shawshank Redemption, your girl, man.
[01:11:59]  She deserves it.
[01:12:02]  Stop being selfish.

=== Therapy And Medication Together (03:23) ===

[01:12:04]  It's not just about you.
[01:12:06]  Yeah.
[01:12:06]  We know you're going to finish.
[01:12:08]  Okay?
[01:12:09]  What you can do is with Blue True Gold, you're hard within 15 minutes.
[01:12:14]  Ain't no way in 30 minutes anymore.
[01:12:15]  You might not have 30 minutes of chit chat.
[01:12:17]  You might talk yourself out of some pussy in 30 minutes.
[01:12:20]  That could happen.
[01:12:21]  And then you just rock hard and alone.
[01:12:23]  You rock hard and alone.
[01:12:24]  What are you going to do?
[01:12:25]  Fuck covers.
[01:12:26]  You're going to wrap them covers.
[01:12:28]  No, we're not going to talk about it.
[01:12:29]  We're going to talk about what you're going to do to that girl because there's 15 minutes left.
[01:12:32]  You got 15 minutes of chit chat.
[01:12:35]  I used to have a little story that I would tell when I didn't have anything to say.
[01:12:39]  Mm hmm.
[01:12:41]  And I told it to a girl twice by accident.
[01:12:44]  She told me, she's like, You already told me that story.
[01:12:46]  I was like, Listen, man, I got another 26 minutes.
[01:12:50]  I ran out of material.
[01:12:52]  Okay, we got to do it.
[01:12:54]  But now with gold, it's faster.
[01:12:55]  15 minutes.
[01:12:57]  15 minutes.
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[01:12:58]  Light work.
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[01:13:13]  Mm hmm.
[01:13:16]  It could be dangerous.
[01:13:17]  It could be treacherous.
[01:13:19]  It's treacherous.
[01:13:20]  Want to know how I got these scars?
[01:13:22]  All right, that's.
[01:13:23]  Cut that out.
[01:13:24]  Stop watching movies late.
[01:13:27]  Stop watching.
[01:13:28]  Did you know he was referencing?
[01:13:29]  Shaw's Hank Redemption, bro.
[01:13:31]  Come on.
[01:13:32]  Come on, Ann.
[01:13:33]  Joker.
[01:13:35]  You want to know how I got these scars?
[01:13:36]  The Dark Knights.
[01:13:37]  Oh, okay.
[01:13:38]  Yeah, Dark Knights.
[01:13:38]  Come on.
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=== Making It Easy To Access Help (15:07) ===

[01:15:27]  Now, let's get back to the show.
[01:15:28]  Guys, in the spirit of New York, a great New Yorker, Rizza, the Rizza on the podcast, Bobby Diggs.
[01:15:37]  I wish that we got to talk about our New York Knicks.
[01:15:40]  You think he's a Knicks fan?
[01:15:41]  What do you mean?
[01:15:42]  There's no choice to be anything but.
[01:15:44]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:15:45]  He lived in Ohio for a little bit, he lived in Charlotte for a little bit.
[01:15:49]  What's coursing through his veins?
[01:15:51]  From Brooklyn, he's born in Brownsville.
[01:15:53]  What's coursing through his veins?
[01:15:56]  I don't know.
[01:15:57]  It's the New York Knicks.
[01:15:58]  It's the Knicks, maybe.
[01:15:59]  Dolan's all in that.
[01:16:02]  God, man.
[01:16:04]  How are you trying to do with that?
[01:16:06]  He's a good guy.
[01:16:07]  I still got playoffs I want to go to.
[01:16:08]  Dolan.
[01:16:11]  No, in all seriousness, Knicks taking this series.
[01:16:15]  By the time this comes out, because we're recording this Tuesday, game tonight.
[01:16:21]  We'll be up 3 2.
[01:16:22]  We'll be up 3 2.
[01:16:23]  And then I think, what did the chance, what do we have at winning the series?
[01:16:27]  Is that 69%?
[01:16:28]  What does Calce have at 69%?
[01:16:30]  69%.
[01:16:30]  So it's light, it's light, it's light.
[01:16:33]  I mean, it's picked up from last week.
[01:16:35]  Last week we were looking at this and the odds were like, you know, 16 or something.
[01:16:38]  No, what's this?
[01:16:39]  No, no, don't be careful.
[01:16:40]  10?
[01:16:40]  It was so high.
[01:16:41]  Was it single digs?
[01:16:43]  He's talking about the side of your face.
[01:16:44]  He's talking about the side of your face.
[01:16:46]  That's not a thing.
[01:16:47]  Yo, cut that off.
[01:16:48]  Yeah.
[01:16:48]  Cut that off.
[01:16:49]  I understand.
[01:16:50]  Cut that off.
[01:16:51]  You're putting forth the Magic's odds because I don't know if you guys have been seeing, but the boys down in Orlando have been cooking.
[01:16:56]  I mean, they just won against Detroit.
[01:16:58]  I don't give a fuck about the Orlando Magic.
[01:17:00]  Detroit's the first beat.
[01:17:01]  Look at the volume on it.
[01:17:02]  Look at the volume on it.
[01:17:05]  Go look at the volume on it.
[01:17:07]  It's got a 24% chance of winning.
[01:17:08]  A million, bro.
[01:17:09]  A million.
[01:17:10]  1.7, right?
[01:17:10]  1.7.
[01:17:11]  All right, go look at the volume on the Knicks.
[01:17:14]  Okay, what do we got?
[01:17:17]  Wait, wait.
[01:17:18]  1.8?
[01:17:21]  Nah, something gotta be off.
[01:17:24]  Something gotta be off.
[01:17:25]  Nah, bro, if you wanna make some money, you gotta back up the Orlando Magic.
[01:17:29]  I'm telling you.
[01:17:30]  Damn, I guess they're gambling.
[01:17:31]  They're the eight seed.
[01:17:32]  They're the eight seed.
[01:17:33]  There's nothing to do over there.
[01:17:35]  Bro.
[01:17:36]  I think it's more of a boredom thing.
[01:17:38]  Nah, nah, nah.
[01:17:40]  They got money.
[01:17:41]  They know how to make a come up.
[01:17:43]  How do they find time to watch the games in between?
[01:17:46]  Between like cheerleading conferences.
[01:17:48]  Okay, there is a lot of cheerleading conferences.
[01:17:50]  Like, how do they do it?
[01:17:52]  There is a lot.
[01:17:53]  They have so many cheerleading conferences.
[01:17:55]  That second screen viewing right there, you just pull up on the side.
[01:17:57]  While you're watching a cheerleading conference.
[01:17:58]  How will just fucking put up 20?
[01:17:59]  Yeah.
[01:17:59]  It's kind of nice.
[01:18:00]  I mean, Cade Cunningham had 25, but coughed it up eight times.
[01:18:04]  All right.
[01:18:06]  Then this is your angle of, or sorry, not that part.
[01:18:08]  This might be the most fraudulent first seed we've seen in a minute.
[01:18:11]  I mean, you're telling me you win 60 games, you can't score for five minutes in the playoffs?
[01:18:16]  Punch license, this is your style.
[01:18:18]  Detroit plays like a team that just discovered the playoffs are harder.
[01:18:22]  Right?
[01:18:23]  I mean, come on, bro.
[01:18:24]  Hot take, clip this.
[01:18:26]  Cut that part.
[01:18:27]  If Orlando wins the series, it's going to be the one of the worst collapses for a first seed since the modern playoff history.
[01:18:31]  This is career altering for Trey Young and the Hawks.
[01:18:34]  You know, the worst collapse in history is I think it was your grandma's rectum.
[01:18:39]  The bunker.
[01:18:40]  No, actually, all that stuff.
[01:18:42]  Cut all this stuff out.
[01:18:43]  During World War II.
[01:18:45]  Cut all this stuff out.
[01:18:45]  Remember when we ever rectum?
[01:18:47]  We can't put this in, bro.
[01:18:49]  My nephew's been watching the show.
[01:18:50]  Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
[01:18:52]  What's the odds when you have?
[01:18:53]  Grandma.
[01:18:54]  That's not a cow sheet.
[01:18:55]  That's not a cow sheet.
[01:18:57]  Oh, yeah.
[01:18:57]  The closer line Detroit season went from work contenders to where a documentary.
[01:19:01]  Let's get back to the show.
[01:19:03]  In that early crew, who was the funniest one?
[01:19:05]  Like, especially when you were growing up, like middle school, high school, is there someone that sticks out here like, yo, he was the funniest guy?
[01:19:11]  I mean, Dirty is the funniest, bro.
[01:19:13]  Yeah.
[01:19:14]  Dirty is so, Dirty's the type of dude, bro.
[01:19:16]  I don't know, you know, you got children and all that, but know that your pop's the type of nigga, yo, that wrapped a paper towel around his dick because he didn't have a condom.
[01:19:36]  Put a dish rag on his shit, bro.
[01:19:41]  He might have been in the other school.
[01:19:43]  Put a dish rag on that shit, bro.
[01:19:47]  Yo, that is hilarious.
[01:19:49]  Yo, I always wanted more dirty stories, man.
[01:19:53]  That's super absorption, though.
[01:19:54]  That might work.
[01:19:54]  I've seen the commercials.
[01:19:55]  I've seen the commercials, though.
[01:19:57]  Nothing drips from the moment up.
[01:19:58]  That's the brawny promise.
[01:19:59]  We came from fucking.
[01:20:00]  I told Joe Hogan this story the other day, but I say he was the ultimate, ultimate.
[01:20:07]  Ultimate expression of freedom.
[01:20:09]  In fact, I'll tell you a different story.
[01:20:10]  Yo, the dude, the dude fucking takes the car, like, yo, I wanna go, like, yo, chill, we making a song.
[01:20:21]  We got the Wu Mansion, we got the studio in the basement, the whole Molly Ma thing, right?
[01:20:26]  We got ours.
[01:20:26]  Yeah.
[01:20:27]  All right, so let's, you know, let's make some songs.
[01:20:29]  All right, all right, I just gotta run out and do something.
[01:20:33]  And yeah, I think I know what he had a BM, whatever the fuck he had.
[01:20:38]  Goes out.
[01:20:41]  Tears the car up, crashes, comes back, asks for somebody else's car.
[01:20:47]  I'm gonna get another car.
[01:20:53]  Yo.
[01:20:53]  Yo, he gets it though.
[01:20:55]  No, who gives him the car?
[01:20:57]  Me.
[01:21:00]  Of course, of course, of course it's me, right?
[01:21:02]  Yo, doesn't make it out the driveway.
[01:21:05]  Another one.
[01:21:06]  Now, mind you, the driveway is a little back.
[01:21:08]  No, no, no, no.
[01:21:11]  Give us some justification.
[01:21:12]  The driveway, bro, is.
[01:21:15]  Going to the Batcave.
[01:21:16]  It's like this.
[01:21:18]  It's like the driveway is at least three New York City blocks.
[01:21:22]  We live, the house is in the fucking woods.
[01:21:25]  Batman shit.
[01:21:26]  Yeah.
[01:21:26]  All right.
[01:21:27]  So there's a chance at high speed going out.
[01:21:32]  Yeah.
[01:21:32]  He's clipping.
[01:21:32]  What kind of car are we talking?
[01:21:35]  First, he fucked up the BM.
[01:21:36]  I think for me, it was my Range Rover.
[01:21:38]  Okay.
[01:21:38]  So he fucks up that one.
[01:21:40]  Yeah.
[01:21:41]  Then he wanted another one.
[01:21:43]  But somebody came and got him instead.
[01:21:45]  And the big idea where the fuck was he going?
[01:21:49]  No way.
[01:21:50]  Did he have a car?
[01:21:52]  Yo, what you call him?
[01:21:53]  Yo, did he ever say where he was going?
[01:21:55]  Yo, what you call him?
[01:21:56]  Rest in peace to 12 o'clock.
[01:21:59]  So, there was this dude that would get us cars.
[01:22:02]  Like, you know, you can buy them, right?
[01:22:04]  Like, first of all, to be honest with you, we don't got a license, bro.
[01:22:08]  We're sitting on a half a dozen cars with no license.
[01:22:14]  Okay.
[01:22:15]  Let's just keep it real.
[01:22:17]  This is hip hop, right?
[01:22:18]  We're going to find this form.
[01:22:20]  Yeah.
[01:22:20]  Yo, I don't got, I didn't get a license to like, Oh, oh, two, oh, three.
[01:22:28]  I got my license like in California or some shit when I'm with my new wife or some shit.
[01:22:33]  I don't drive now at all.
[01:22:34]  Yeah, but 12 tells me Dirk just got the new Benz.
[01:22:42]  This is uh, he's happy now.
[01:22:45]  He is the type of dude that he, he like he drives like a maniac.
[01:22:49]  Yeah, I'm not here for this, so all I need to do is describe what somebody told me on the BQE.
[01:22:55]  Okay.
[01:22:58]  He crashes the car.
[01:23:00]  The car flips upside down, bro.
[01:23:05]  Dirt gets out and just leaves.
[01:23:09]  And left.
[01:23:09]  12 o'clock is in the car still.
[01:23:12]  Just upside down?
[01:23:17]  He just left.
[01:23:17]  Bro.
[01:23:19]  Stop laughing to the other dude.
[01:23:21]  He's okay.
[01:23:22]  He died.
[01:23:22]  But he was like, yo, the nigga just left and went to try to get another fucking car.
[01:23:27]  No way.
[01:23:29]  No way.
[01:23:30]  I'm not exaggerating this shit, bro.
[01:23:32]  12 is just upside down.
[01:23:33]  Like, yo, I was like, yo, what the fuck?
[01:23:37]  I was like, yo, what the fuck happened?
[01:23:40]  Take off my seatbelt, please.
[01:23:42]  It was 6 o'clock.
[01:23:44]  Let me digress to something.
[01:23:46]  So, anyway, first of all, thank you for inviting me.
[01:23:49]  Dude, of course.
[01:23:50]  I'm doing a big press run for my new film.
[01:23:53]  Oh, no, I want to talk all about the film.
[01:23:54]  I watched it last night, by the way.
[01:23:55]  Respect.
[01:23:56]  The reason why I'm bringing it up is because my character is named Unique.
[01:24:01]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:24:01]  And ODB's name is Aeson Unique.
[01:24:04]  Okay.
[01:24:04]  So I named the character after him.
[01:24:06]  That's awesome.
[01:24:07]  And there's a scene in the movie where the car is upside down.
[01:24:11]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:24:12]  So this time this guy helps.
[01:24:16]  So, point being made is like, my love for my cousin and for him.
[01:24:23]  I'm glad that I'm able to be an artist that I could find ways to inject real life stuff in.
[01:24:30]  Real life stuff.
[01:24:31]  And I make it magical, of course.
[01:24:32]  Of course, yeah.
[01:24:33]  But, you know, ODB's older brother name.
[01:24:36]  Is Ramsey.
[01:24:38]  That's why my story is unique and it's Ramsey.
[01:24:42]  And my older brother's name is Randy.
[01:24:44]  And that's why his government name is Randy.
[01:24:46]  Is actually Randy.
[01:24:47]  Oh, wow.
[01:24:48]  So, yeah.
[01:24:49]  You said that ODB is the ultimate expression of freedom.
[01:24:53]  Yeah.
[01:24:54]  Is that the magnetism of him?
[01:24:56]  I think so.
[01:24:57]  Because I remember, I mean, I'm sure you remember the moment where it's like, it was like MTV was obsessed with him.
[01:25:02]  He had crossed over too.
[01:25:05]  And I don't know if you could write that, not you.
[01:25:07]  Of course, Yuko, but like the average person, I don't know if they could just write down why they love this guy.
[01:25:13]  But it was a visceral reaction before you could like game algorithm and like promote something.
[01:25:20]  Like, I don't even know if MTV was going, is this the right thing to promote?
[01:25:24]  Right.
[01:25:25]  It didn't even matter.
[01:25:26]  Right.
[01:25:26]  It didn't matter.
[01:25:27]  You could make the argument that he was doing everything for them not to promote him and it was working.
[01:25:33]  Right.
[01:25:33]  Right.
[01:25:34]  It was like true rockstar shit.
[01:25:37]  Yeah.
[01:25:37]  And not rockstar in like the contrived version where you've seen rockstars try to protect.
[01:25:41]  Tend to be rock stars.
[01:25:43]  Like, okay, like my forefathers put all the furniture in the hotel room on the ceiling, so I'm gonna do that.
[01:25:48]  Right, right, right.
[01:25:50]  It was like watching somebody that didn't know how to exist in any other way, shape, or form.
[01:25:55]  Yeah.
[01:25:56]  He, bro, yeah, talking about hotels.
[01:26:01]  I was just saying, yo, bro, you know how many hotels got destroyed by this system?
[01:26:09]  Tell me, tell me.
[01:26:10]  Yo, I remember Sleep Revival, this Wu Tang ain't even popular yet, bro.
[01:26:14]  They invited us.
[01:26:20]  To the BMG conference or some shit.
[01:26:22]  And they're trying to like convince the executives that this is the new group.
[01:26:26]  They're going to be this, they're going to be that.
[01:26:28]  The single was doing well, but put money on these guys.
[01:26:32]  And fucking, we go there and they want us to perform in front of them.
[01:26:37]  And we do, first of all, Dirty starts the performance off and just waits if it's somewhere over the rainbow.
[01:26:45]  Okay?
[01:26:46]  So that's just to give you.
[01:26:48]  That night?
[01:26:48]  Yo, this is great.
[01:26:50]  No, seriously, bro.
[01:26:50]  But that night?
[01:26:51]  What are these execs?
[01:26:53]  What are these execs in suits thinking?
[01:26:55]  That's no saying.
[01:26:56]  Okay.
[01:26:57]  But forget that.
[01:26:57]  But then that night, bro, and I'm not gonna act like I wasn't part of it.
[01:27:01]  Like, cause I can sit there and I like to talk about him, but still, I'm gonna give him the ringleader role of this.
[01:27:07]  Bro, I don't know what made him get the idea.
[01:27:11]  I don't know if because maybe the girl was in that room or this or whatever, you know, groupies or whatever.
[01:27:17]  But he was like, yo, yo, God, I got this fire hydrant, right?
[01:27:22]  Fire extinguisher.
[01:27:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:27:24]  Say, yo, look at this shit.
[01:27:26]  You hit one puff and it does this.
[01:27:30]  He's like, yo, let's go hit niggas' rooms.
[01:27:36]  Okay.
[01:27:38]  Okay.
[01:27:38]  Yo.
[01:27:40]  Yeah, I did it.
[01:27:40]  Did it.
[01:27:42]  Stop.
[01:27:43]  Stop.
[01:27:44]  They would open the door.
[01:27:45]  He would light up the whole room.
[01:27:47]  Yo, just like.
[01:27:49]  Or even, you could put it like right there and push it through.
[01:27:52]  And then put it through.
[01:27:53]  Whoa.
[01:27:54]  Whoa.
[01:27:54]  But now, I mean, everybody would see it.
[01:27:58]  Meth was superheated.
[01:27:59]  He had a dime piece in there probably back then.
[01:28:01]  I don't know.
[01:28:04]  Okay.
[01:28:05]  But, you know, I don't know.
[01:28:07]  I guess that's what I'm saying.
[01:28:09]  It just opens the door covered.
[01:28:11]  First of all, you don't realize that that stuff is not easy to come off.
[01:28:17]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:28:17]  Fire extinguishes shit.
[01:28:19]  It's fire retardant.
[01:28:20]  Yeah, you got to basically throw that couch away.
[01:28:23]  Just remove it from other hotels.
[01:28:26]  And so now Steve Epica got to get this bill.
[01:28:29]  Right.
[01:28:29]  And he didn't complain then.
[01:28:31]  He talks about it now.
[01:28:32]  Like, you don't know, you fucking got, like, you guys, like, the chick, like, We had the chairman of BMG there, bro.
[01:28:40]  And they fucking came with this fucking bill for Wu Tang Clan.
[01:28:44]  It was like he had to convince them.
[01:28:47]  It was going to be worth it.
[01:28:48]  Yeah.
[01:28:49]  He was right.
[01:28:49]  He actually said, he might have said, like, they're rock stars.
[01:28:52]  He might have used that as a fucking slogan unintentionally.
[01:28:55]  But here we are in a rock and roll.
[01:28:57]  Yeah.
[01:28:59]  Past fire.
[01:29:00]  Wow.
[01:29:01]  It's just, yeah.
[01:29:02]  I always wondered, like, in the 90s, everybody's trying to be, like, gangster and all that type of stuff.
[01:29:07]  Why did.
[01:29:08]  ODB choose Old Dirty Bastard for his name?
[01:29:11]  Well, I gave him that name.
[01:29:15]  Because most of our names come from inspired by Kung Fu movies, one way or another.
[01:29:20]  Okay.
[01:29:21]  So there was a, you know, in the Kung Fu, I don't know if you've watched them, but they always say, You Old Dirty Bastard!
[01:29:26]  They always say that.
[01:29:28]  That's the translation, that's the dub Dover version.
[01:29:29]  Yeah, it's the dub Dover version.
[01:29:31]  And then there was the drunk master was always considered the Old Dirty Bastard.
[01:29:36]  And Old Dirty did the drunken style.
[01:29:38]  That's what he said, my style, I do the drunken style.
[01:29:40]  I mean, he could drink 1040s.
[01:29:43]  And still get on the microphone and bust your ass.
[01:29:45]  You know what I mean?
[01:29:45]  Oh, okay.
[01:29:46]  And he actually gave Raekwon the name The Chef.
[01:29:48]  Raekwon had his name, but Dirty was like, nah, he's the chef.
[01:29:52]  He's the only one that kind of like, that Dirty actually gave that title.
[01:29:58]  Raekwon was Raekwon, but The Chef.
[01:30:00]  Why did he make him The Chef?
[01:30:03]  I feel like it was for two reasons.
[01:30:05]  One, from the movie The Mystery of Chessboxing, there's a character called The Chef that ends up teaching the student, but you don't know the chef could kill and kick ass.
[01:30:14]  Ah, yeah, yeah.
[01:30:15]  Yeah, so I think that was one of the reasons.
[01:30:16]  And also, You know, cooking up marvelous styles.
[01:30:21]  Yeah, we're poor.
[01:30:22]  I pour yours, you pour mine.
[01:30:23]  Fair enough.
[01:30:24]  Cooking up marvelous styles.
[01:30:25]  So that's why he got the chef.
[01:30:27]  Of course, Ghostface Killer from the movie Mystery of Chess Boxing, Ghostface Killer.
[01:30:32]  Everybody wanted that name, though.

=== Why Dirty Named The Chef (09:16) ===

[01:30:35]  That was all I wanted.
[01:30:36]  After the fire extinguisher, everyone was Ghostface.
[01:30:42]  Didn't he break out of prison one time to go perform with y'all in New York?
[01:30:47]  Or like a rehab facility or something?
[01:30:49]  Yeah, they were looking for him.
[01:30:53]  And he fucking left and he showed up at the Hammerstein Ballroom in disguise.
[01:30:59]  What was he disguised as?
[01:31:01]  What the dough he had on?
[01:31:04]  Cheers.
[01:31:07]  Mark, you want a little?
[01:31:08]  I'll get a glass.
[01:31:09]  Miles, can we get one more glass in for.
[01:31:11]  You got to start.
[01:31:12]  You got to start.
[01:31:14]  Okay, so the Hammerstein Ballroom.
[01:31:16]  He's in disguise.
[01:31:17]  He pulls up.
[01:31:18]  He probably still has like a medical bracelet on or something.
[01:31:21]  Yo.
[01:31:22]  That was a weird night.
[01:31:26]  I bet.
[01:31:28]  There was something beautiful about it, though.
[01:31:30]  Okay.
[01:31:31]  Because he was there.
[01:31:34]  And he wanted to be there.
[01:31:35]  Yeah.
[01:31:35]  You know what I mean?
[01:31:37]  And I was so happy.
[01:31:39]  I kind of, I don't like how I reacted that night.
[01:31:43]  Like, I think I did it.
[01:31:44]  I think I was wrong that night.
[01:31:45]  Why would you?
[01:31:46]  I think I was too happy and too in the moment of the brand and too in the moment of the visual look of it.
[01:31:55]  That I didn't really take the consideration of the danger that my cousin was in.
[01:32:00]  Oh, wow.
[01:32:02]  Yeah, I think I was too much being a fucking Abbott executive type motherfucker.
[01:32:07]  Chasing the success and what this event would be and how amazing this would be received.
[01:32:12]  Yeah, I think I was fucked up in that because I saw the footage of it and Dirty said, nah, Rez, nah, I can't stay long.
[01:32:21]  Like, I can't, like, and I was like, you know, I'm like, yo, we got Dirty.
[01:32:26]  Man, fuck all that shit, bro.
[01:32:27]  This shit is serious.
[01:32:28]  And I just, I think that's been a few of my flaws is that the small humanness of it, the small human compassion of the moment, I may sacrifice that for the bigger picture.
[01:32:55]  And then you got to say, is the bigger picture worth it?
[01:33:00]  Hindsight is 20 20, or whatever the cliche is.
[01:33:03]  It's easy to look back as someone who's achieved all the things and go, Oh, I wish I did those little moments differently.
[01:33:10]  But that perspective also might have allowed you to have 100 people escape poverty and live their dreams.
[01:33:18]  Somebody said that, I forgot you said that, Tarantino said that to me one day.
[01:33:22]  He said, Because one day I really was really like, I don't know, I felt like going back, it was shit happening, and I just felt like.
[01:33:30]  I don't know, maybe I should fucking do something, you know?
[01:33:35]  And he was like, come here, sit down.
[01:33:38]  Let me pour you a drink.
[01:33:40]  He said, oh, actually, he said, I'll make you a margarita.
[01:33:43]  So he makes me a margarita.
[01:33:44]  I was making a margarita.
[01:33:44]  He makes me a margarita.
[01:33:46]  And he did say this to me.
[01:33:48]  And now I'm taking back, I'm not taking back what I felt wrong at, because I do realize that for the W, my sacrifice, yo, I wouldn't even, like, if my mom wanted to come, no.
[01:34:04]  Why?
[01:34:04]  Because I felt like what we were doing was just too much and too that for her.
[01:34:11]  Well, that's being protective of your mom.
[01:34:13]  Yeah, even though that's a lot of respect for her almost.
[01:34:15]  Yeah, I didn't want her to see me jumping up cursing like that either.
[01:34:18]  Right.
[01:34:18]  Yeah.
[01:34:19]  Now, I'm sure as a parent, you're like, one of my kids has achieved something that.
[01:34:25]  Yeah, he's Moses.
[01:34:26]  Yeah, it's like almost nobody in history has achieved, and I just kind of want to witness it.
[01:34:30]  Yeah.
[01:34:31]  She doesn't care if you're cursing, bro.
[01:34:32]  She knows you're her first words.
[01:34:33]  I was wrong about that.
[01:34:35]  But then also, Like me and my siblings have been talking, and it's just like at one point, if you wasn't wooed, bro, you couldn't see me.
[01:34:43]  Really?
[01:34:43]  Yeah, it was that tight.
[01:34:46]  Bro, I was so engaged, you know.
[01:34:50]  Oh, wow.
[01:34:51]  So I'm serious.
[01:34:52]  I mean, my first house, I remember I said, I bought my first house in Cleveland, which was, I would drive by the Rock and Bowl Hall of Fame all the time, too.
[01:34:58]  So it's a blessing to be in there.
[01:35:00]  But I bought that house.
[01:35:02]  Whoa, that's wild.
[01:35:04]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[01:35:05]  But I bought that house to move my woman and child to Ohio so that the Staten Island house can be the studio.
[01:35:14]  And I stayed there.
[01:35:15]  Interesting.
[01:35:17]  Okay.
[01:35:17]  And I stayed there.
[01:35:19]  I'm talking like months and funk and.
[01:35:22]  And Liquid Sports and Cuban Lynx, bro.
[01:35:26]  It's like when Way Kwan said with the boots, that paved the way, nigga, I didn't change my shoes, bro.
[01:35:31]  He was like, yo, these niggas wearing that same, you wearing them same shits for two years, Abbott.
[01:35:35]  Like, so, so, I'm just saying that, I'm not knocking it.
[01:35:39]  I'm just saying that when you think about those moments like Dirty on Stage, his life is on the line in all reality.
[01:35:49]  And I'm like, the woo.
[01:35:52]  It's more important than this moment.
[01:35:53]  Yeah.
[01:35:54]  And what happened the next two days later?
[01:35:56]  Put back exactly, and I could.
[01:35:58]  I didn't even get like, I didn't even get like my love for him is like in the Bible, it says uh, David and Nathan.
[01:36:07]  I don't know if you read the Bible, I don't know about David and Nathan, but you know, there's a story in the Bible.
[01:36:12]  It's like the reason why David lives and why he doesn't kill Saul to become the king because Saul's son was Nathan and he was you know the prince, yeah.
[01:36:25]  But David is about to become the king, yeah, over this father.
[01:36:30]  Right?
[01:36:31]  But their love was so strong, like their spiritual love.
[01:36:35]  Like, it wasn't the.
[01:36:36]  I mean, some people try to misinterpret that shit, I don't know.
[01:36:38]  But it was their spiritual love was just like, yo, that's my man.
[01:36:42]  Yeah.
[01:36:43]  That's it, yo.
[01:36:43]  And they was like this.
[01:36:46]  And they were saying that love was so strong that it helped David become the king.
[01:36:52]  You see what I mean?
[01:36:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:36:54]  And so I was saying, me and Aeson was like, so.
[01:36:56]  Severing that love wouldn't allow him to be the king that he needs to be.
[01:36:58]  Exactly.
[01:37:00]  And so with Aeson, it's just like, it's like, In that moment, it's almost like I even sacrificed that love because I didn't even give him that fucking hug.
[01:37:12]  I'm not going to see him until years later when it's not even him.
[01:37:17]  You see what I mean?
[01:37:19]  So that's what I mean.
[01:37:19]  In hindsight, I'm like, okay, for the woo, what a sacrifice.
[01:37:24]  And that's my family.
[01:37:25]  He's our brother.
[01:37:26]  And all of us love him.
[01:37:29]  And all of us probably could say something very similar, but he's also my blood.
[01:37:34]  So that's another equation there.
[01:37:37]  Do you regret not spending more time with your kid and having them go to Cleveland?
[01:37:44]  I don't regret now.
[01:37:46]  You know, I have a beautiful wife, and my new wife came in to help me raise my children.
[01:37:51]  My ex wife, we ended up.
[01:37:53]  You know what I mean?
[01:37:55]  And my new wife came in.
[01:37:57]  And my son, you know, I know we're going deep here, but my son said this to me, and all praises are due to Allah because I'm happy that I can hear my son say this.
[01:38:05]  He said that.
[01:38:08]  He never, he didn't miss me because when I was there, I was so present.
[01:38:13]  He was like, his friends, he's like, my friends asked me.
[01:38:15]  I was like, no, like, dad, no.
[01:38:17]  Like, like, dad is the type, and I'm that type of dude, bro.
[01:38:20]  Like, I mean, even right here, I'm fucking, like, but the, like, I'll put on a, I'll make a movie just for my son.
[01:38:29]  Like, you know what I mean?
[01:38:30]  Like, look at this, I made for you.
[01:38:31]  Like, and I'll sit with his toys.
[01:38:34]  And then I score, and then I score it.
[01:38:39]  I'm that type of, like, I'm like, you know, I'm that type of.
[01:38:43]  When I'm a deer, I'm engaged.
[01:38:44]  Yeah.
[01:38:45]  So he told me he didn't, you know, all my sons, you know what I mean?
[01:38:50]  But daughters maybe a little more, takes a little more.
[01:38:54]  And I gave more.
[01:38:56]  Like when I realized, when I was, and I said this to any father, that when you realize that something is off course in your household, you got to get in there.
[01:39:03]  Get in there, bro.
[01:39:04]  Take the time.
[01:39:05]  Be patient.
[01:39:07]  You know, my daughter, I didn't know what to do, right?
[01:39:10]  I didn't know how to communicate with her.
[01:39:13]  I was working on that TV show, Gang Related, and we had this other guest.
[01:39:18]  Actress who maybe had two episodes with us.
[01:39:20]  And, you know, she would hear me vent because the lead actor, Ramon, we became, you know, we do a TV show, we become brothers, right?
[01:39:27]  So, they hear me, like, yeah, my daughter.
[01:39:29]  And she said, well, girls are different, Bobby.
[01:39:32]  You need to just text her every day, even if she doesn't respond.
[01:39:39]  Text, call every day.
[01:39:41]  I said, and eventually, she will respond.
[01:39:45]  And about four or five months later, yeah, and then we build the relationship that's beautiful now.

=== Vibrating At A Different Level (15:18) ===

[01:39:51]  Wow.
[01:39:52]  Yeah, you need to push through that boundary because what she's feeling is that you don't want to be there.
[01:39:56]  And it's very difficult to show love to somebody who is rejecting the love.
[01:40:01]  Yeah.
[01:40:01]  But that's actually when they need it the most.
[01:40:03]  Yeah.
[01:40:04]  Yeah, that's tricky.
[01:40:06]  Yeah.
[01:40:06]  Yeah.
[01:40:06]  The kids stuff.
[01:40:07]  Yeah.
[01:40:08]  So fascinating.
[01:40:08]  You mentioned this earlier.
[01:40:09]  It's like when you lock in on something, that's like so focused.
[01:40:13]  And then, like, you haven't been writing because you're focused on editing the movie and things like that.
[01:40:18]  So you'll get so focused.
[01:40:21]  Have you adjusted?
[01:40:22]  To find like balance to be able to do multiple things, or is you still operate the same way?
[01:40:28]  I think I got balance now.
[01:40:29]  It's just like, look, in the middle of this interview, pull some fucking Evan Sake.
[01:40:37]  You know what I mean?
[01:40:39]  So I've not found the balance, but because there's certain things that I love that I do.
[01:40:45]  You know what I mean?
[01:40:47]  So I love piano.
[01:40:51]  90% of the time, if I'm home, The first thing I do after a cup of coffee is sit by the piano.
[01:40:58]  Get out of here.
[01:40:58]  You wake up, coffee, and just hit the piano.
[01:41:01]  Wow.
[01:41:01]  Or the guitar.
[01:41:03]  The guitar is right by my bed, bro.
[01:41:05]  So I get up, I'm about to go and have the coffee, pick the guitar up.
[01:41:08]  And you know what?
[01:41:10]  I'm not a singer, you know that.
[01:41:11]  But I could sing my wife a song.
[01:41:14]  Quite sure she's enjoying it because it's me.
[01:41:18]  I know I'm not hearing no Luther Vangels.
[01:41:21]  No, it's over there.
[01:41:23]  But at the end of the day, though, I love music.
[01:41:28]  And also, before I face the world, you know what I mean?
[01:41:32]  It's like I try to give myself some time.
[01:41:35]  And then the second thing I've learned is well, first of all, the blessings of life, right?
[01:41:42]  So, we all would say, because you took a year off or something like that, right?
[01:41:46]  Yeah.
[01:41:47]  So, you ran around, you did your shit, but then you're home and you're fucking your home is heaven.
[01:41:54]  That is the problem.
[01:41:55]  Sometimes it gets really comfy.
[01:41:56]  Right.
[01:41:57]  But that's the beauty of, Going out, right?
[01:42:00]  Kings don't build castles for kings.
[01:42:04]  Kings build castles for queens so that when they come home, they're in heaven.
[01:42:10]  I feel like that.
[01:42:12]  I've been blessed with that kind of life, you know what I mean?
[01:42:15]  On this project, even more, my wife is a producer.
[01:42:18]  So I came here from, I left her, she's right in the hotel room waiting for me to come back.
[01:42:24]  Wow.
[01:42:24]  Was that tricky to have her input on the.
[01:42:26]  It's great, great, great, great.
[01:42:28]  Because first of all, it's truth.
[01:42:30]  Yeah.
[01:42:30]  It ain't gonna be no bullshit.
[01:42:32]  Yeah.
[01:42:32]  That's corny, motherfucker.
[01:42:35]  Yeah.
[01:42:35]  Even I said something the other day, she's, cause she actually sometimes comes to the interview.
[01:42:39]  The other day, I guess I was, I don't know, I started talking about some sex or some shit.
[01:42:43]  And she said, after the shit, she was like, chill out on me.
[01:42:48]  I'm talking about the sex.
[01:42:49]  I was relating it to something in the film.
[01:42:51]  You've seen the film, of course.
[01:42:53]  And shit, right?
[01:42:53]  It's a nice little scene.
[01:42:55]  Nice little scene.
[01:42:56]  Yeah, it got some little debacle in there too.
[01:42:58]  Yeah, it was in there.
[01:43:00]  She was, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
[01:43:01]  She was bouncing on it, man.
[01:43:02]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:43:04]  She was bouncing on it.
[01:43:06]  It is weird because they're in high school in the movie.
[01:43:09]  So you're like, yo, I know these actors.
[01:43:15]  Yeah, so anyway, but it's in the movie.
[01:43:20]  But she's right.
[01:43:21]  That's not what the movie's about.
[01:43:22]  Yo, does he nut right when the cops come in?
[01:43:25]  That's funny, eh?
[01:43:26]  I thought it was hilarious.
[01:43:28]  I thought that was hilarious.
[01:43:30]  The second the cops come in and the dude just busts a little bit.
[01:43:34]  The girls bounce on him like crazy.
[01:43:35]  Like, I would have been nutted.
[01:43:38]  But he doesn't know.
[01:43:40]  Hold on.
[01:43:40]  I would have been nutted.
[01:43:42]  But he doesn't know until the Two cops come in, like, I ain't put a.
[01:43:45]  What type of internalized trauma is that?
[01:43:49]  You just need a little more sometimes.
[01:43:51]  You just need a little more.
[01:43:52]  Oh, but you got to get him over the edge.
[01:43:54]  Exactly.
[01:43:54]  So that guy, RJ Seiler, plays that actor.
[01:43:57]  Yeah, he's great.
[01:43:58]  He's good, man.
[01:43:59]  You seen him in the Book of Clarence?
[01:44:01]  You ever see that one?
[01:44:02]  Yeah.
[01:44:03]  That was good.
[01:44:03]  He's good.
[01:44:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:44:04]  What's Book of Clarence?
[01:44:05]  That was the Keith's big role there.
[01:44:08]  Oh, Keith Stanfield.
[01:44:09]  Jay Z produced that.
[01:44:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:44:12]  How did you get Michael Jackson's daughter in that?
[01:44:15]  Paris Jackson.
[01:44:16]  I got lucky, bro.
[01:44:17]  That was crazy.
[01:44:19]  Yo, she.
[01:44:19]  Because I didn't know she was in it.
[01:44:21]  Yo, Mike, until you saw it.
[01:44:22]  I'm watching him, like, wait a minute.
[01:44:24]  Was this Mike's kid?
[01:44:24]  Like, this is insanity.
[01:44:27]  Yeah, she.
[01:44:28]  It was my casting agent, Kim Harding.
[01:44:31]  She said that Paris is acting now and she's looking for good roles.
[01:44:35]  You mind if I send her the script?
[01:44:37]  I said, yeah, send it to her.
[01:44:38]  And then she responded, and then we got on the Zoom.
[01:44:41]  And yeah, I was like, you know, first of all, it'd be a pleasure.
[01:44:46]  The thing about her that I think is special is that she doesn't need to do it at all.
[01:44:50]  Yeah, at all.
[01:44:51]  Right.
[01:44:52]  And when you're doing a movie, bro, you got to get up six in the morning, sit in a fucking makeup chair, deal with a bunch of motherfuckers you don't know, and then go be somebody that you're not.
[01:45:04]  Right?
[01:45:05]  Most people do it for money.
[01:45:07]  Yeah.
[01:45:09]  Or a lust for fame.
[01:45:11]  Yeah.
[01:45:11]  She don't need none of that.
[01:45:13]  Yeah.
[01:45:14]  So the only way she could do it is if she's a what?
[01:45:16]  An artist.
[01:45:17]  And she is, bro.
[01:45:18]  Really?
[01:45:18]  She loves it.
[01:45:19]  She's an artist, bro.
[01:45:21]  First of all, she has.
[01:45:23]  Every actor got something like Shamik Moore, who's the lead character.
[01:45:26]  He's a sponge.
[01:45:28]  Interesting.
[01:45:28]  He's a sponge.
[01:45:29]  He'll sit here, soak it up, soak you up, go give you back.
[01:45:33]  You know what I mean?
[01:45:34]  I want to.
[01:45:35]  She has what I call the muscle memory of an actress.
[01:45:38]  I've seen that in Uma Thurman and I've seen it in Lucy Liu.
[01:45:43]  Which is the way this table is, if the scene was this.
[01:45:56]  She's gonna do it again.
[01:45:58]  Exactly.
[01:45:58]  Exactly.
[01:45:59]  Interesting.
[01:46:00]  And I was like, that's okay.
[01:46:02]  I said, she's actually meant to be an actress.
[01:46:05]  It's up to her.
[01:46:05]  If she wants to be, she can easily be.
[01:46:08]  Did you ever meet Mike?
[01:46:10]  I never met Michael Jackson.
[01:46:11]  Oh, wow.
[01:46:12]  Nope.
[01:46:13]  The only one I know when I met him in our crew was Ghost and Ray, because they called me that day.
[01:46:17]  What the?
[01:46:18]  How did that happen?
[01:46:20]  They was, I think they met him.
[01:46:21]  They met him twice.
[01:46:22]  They met him at the Hit Factory in New York, and then they met him at the Hit Factory in Miami.
[01:46:27]  What did they say when they came out of the movie?
[01:46:30]  They said he was like a prince.
[01:46:33]  Like a, not prince, the artist, of course.
[01:46:37]  There was a guy, he was like a prince.
[01:46:39]  The esteem.
[01:46:40]  Yeah, like, like, like, like, I couldn't imagine.
[01:46:43]  Like, he probably, like, remember I talked about the guy who had that little small vibration?
[01:46:47]  Yeah.
[01:46:48]  He probably had a vibration that was like, bro.
[01:46:51]  But you see it, and you, as a person who's famous, you know it and you probably feel it, right?
[01:46:57]  Like, you know, when you're in a room and people recognize you, you can feel the attention going to you.
[01:47:01]  And then there's people that, like, I remember once I was at the Comedy Cellar, it's a comedy club in New York.
[01:47:07]  And greatest comedy club in the world.
[01:47:08]  I know that.
[01:47:09]  You know, you know.
[01:47:10]  Of course, of course.
[01:47:10]  So, and Madonna was there for some reason.
[01:47:15]  And, like, I don't think we forget how famous Madonna was, like, you know, is.
[01:47:21]  Or is, like, of course.
[01:47:22]  But it was a fascinating thing because it's not like there aren't famous people that go there regularly.
[01:47:28]  But she was just at a table.
[01:47:30]  And the feeling was nobody in that room could concentrate on whatever they were pretending to talk about.
[01:47:37]  Like, you and I are talking.
[01:47:39]  Right.
[01:47:39]  But both of us are kind of veering off.
[01:47:42]  You're feeling this energy.
[01:47:43]  Yeah.
[01:47:44]  And like, I always wonder what that does to a person.
[01:47:48]  That's vibrating the energy.
[01:47:49]  And it's getting that energy vibrated back, like constantly gravity on you, no matter where you go.
[01:47:57]  You know, let me give you a small theory on it.
[01:47:59]  And I don't got those type of people's energy, right?
[01:48:02]  I got my own.
[01:48:02]  But I, so it took me years for my wife to watch me perform.
[01:48:09]  Hmm, if she looks, I'm stumbling, bro.
[01:48:13]  Interesting.
[01:48:13]  Oh, wow, you know what I'm saying?
[01:48:15]  Why, why does she know a different version of you?
[01:48:17]  Whatever, like, I don't, maybe you know what I mean.
[01:48:21]  It's maybe it's like, it's like, yeah, it's like, don't look at me, wow, you know what I mean.
[01:48:26]  Because is this, you know, I mean, so it could be also, I'm so enamored by her, you see what I mean?
[01:48:33]  So it could be, you know, the same way, but but I'm saying it, I'm trying to say that that maybe that's some energy in that to where a celebrity or somebody they have a chi that.
[01:48:43]  That rattles you.
[01:48:45]  You know what?
[01:48:45]  I did an interview on KTLA last week.
[01:48:52]  And I watched KTLA every fucking morning.
[01:48:57]  I wasn't really on point the first minute.
[01:48:59]  You were nervous a little bit going into it?
[01:49:01]  Yo, bro, the first minute, I didn't even think I was nervous though.
[01:49:04]  I was backstage talking to motherfuckers all shit.
[01:49:06]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah.
[01:49:08]  Yeah, you're gonna do.
[01:49:09]  Yeah, cool.
[01:49:10]  Oh, yeah, I'm trying.
[01:49:11]  Okay, put the mic on.
[01:49:12]  Yeah, yeah, put the mic right here.
[01:49:13]  I got an inside pocket.
[01:49:14]  Yeah.
[01:49:15]  Boom.
[01:49:17]  I sit down and shit.
[01:49:19]  It's like, oh, so these motherfuckers are fucking.
[01:49:32]  I was like, oh, shit.
[01:49:35]  I was like, just froze up a little bit.
[01:49:41]  It ain't no time for nothing but, like, so, anyway, no, no, Have you met people like that where you just gave them a presence and you're like, oh, they're cheating?
[01:49:59]  It's crazy.
[01:50:00]  Like, they're vibrating at a different level.
[01:50:02]  Yeah.
[01:50:03]  Who are some people that come to mind?
[01:50:05]  I mean, over the time, so many different people you meet like that, like you feel them.
[01:50:13]  You know, Mike Tyson was like that to me because I was such a fan.
[01:50:17]  You know what I mean?
[01:50:18]  He's my brother now, but like.
[01:50:25]  For me, it's different, right?
[01:50:26]  If I can't say the name, I think Denzel Washington had an energy that made me kind of like a little shrinking energy, right?
[01:50:43]  Because that's the best way to use it.
[01:50:45]  I think that's a good terminology.
[01:50:47]  A shrinking energy.
[01:50:49]  Motherfuckers that can shrink you.
[01:50:51]  You know what I mean?
[01:50:53]  And I think he had it on American Gangster.
[01:50:56]  He's the greatest actor in the world at the time.
[01:50:59]  He's Denzel Washington.
[01:51:01]  Still, yeah, still.
[01:51:03]  And I just, you know, like they was like, Oh, you want to meet Denzel?
[01:51:08]  And I was like, Yeah, exactly, right?
[01:51:11]  And it was like, Okay, we're going to bring you to his trailer.
[01:51:14]  Now, you don't go to a motherfucker's, only groupie's going to go to your trailer, right?
[01:51:22]  I mean, I'm a groupie.
[01:51:24]  Bro, hold on, hold on, you know what?
[01:51:26]  That's what I'm trying to tell you.
[01:51:27]  I went to his trailer, but, but normally, I'm not going to nobody's motherfucking trail.
[01:51:35]  Yeah.
[01:51:36]  So I go to this trailer and they knock, boom, boom, boom, and the door doesn't open.
[01:51:44]  They came and got me.
[01:51:45]  Oh, no.
[01:51:46]  So they bump on the knock again.
[01:51:49]  The door never opened, bro.
[01:51:51]  It never opened.
[01:51:52]  Okay.
[01:51:54]  And eventually my car came and took me the fuck home.
[01:51:58]  Okay.
[01:51:58]  So I don't meet on this shit, right?
[01:52:02]  So, and I was a little puzzled by it, but.
[01:52:06]  And I always, my fucking hand was sweating anyway, so maybe it's a good thing I did to him.
[01:52:11]  But then there's a scene in the movie where they say, where Russell Crowe's character is gonna examine him and go through all the history and they're gonna break it all down.
[01:52:23]  And the scene was written that Russell Crowe and Vinzel are gonna have that moment.
[01:52:28]  But Russell, he already built this commodity with all the actors and his police force.
[01:52:33]  He was like, no, mate, me and my guy is gonna do that.
[01:52:37]  You know, that's like, I wouldn't do that by myself.
[01:52:40]  My whole crew who helped bring this down would be here.
[01:52:43]  That's how it would work.
[01:52:45]  And Rilly Scott was like, okay.
[01:52:46]  You know what I mean?
[01:52:48]  And so now I'm in a scene with Denzel.
[01:52:50]  Yeah.
[01:52:50]  Wow.
[01:52:51]  Right?
[01:52:52]  And, bro, he didn't speak to me.
[01:52:59]  Like, he almost didn't look at me.
[01:53:03]  You know?
[01:53:04]  And I remember, like, on the first two takes going back out, and Rilly Scott was like, I don't know.
[01:53:12]  Like, you know, like, what's up with this guy?
[01:53:15]  And I was living in my own head, so I kind of took it a little personal.
[01:53:19]  But it wasn't not me.
[01:53:20]  He didn't speak.
[01:53:20]  He didn't speak to none of us.
[01:53:21]  He spoke to us.
[01:53:23]  Okay, and even that was.
[01:53:26]  And so it kept going.
[01:53:27]  So anyway, this is take five.
[01:53:28]  And Billy's trying to tell him, you know, give him some director advice, whatever the fuck he was saying, right?
[01:53:33]  And now we're at take four or five.
[01:53:36]  And it's the same thing, bro.
[01:53:40]  You know what I mean?
[01:53:41]  I threw some lines in Staten Island.
[01:53:42]  You know what I mean?
[01:53:45]  And when you watch the film, it's in this, the scene is in there.
[01:53:49]  And, but at the very last moment of the last, okay, we got it, right?
[01:53:55]  Somebody says something.
[01:53:57]  He said, What?
[01:53:58]  I fucking posted, he said, What?
[01:53:59]  Why would I be fucking smiling with a fucking bunch of cops?
[01:54:01]  I'm Frank Lucas.
[01:54:03]  Oh.
[01:54:04]  Why would I be friendly to a bunch of fucking cops?
[01:54:06]  I'm Frank Lucas.
[01:54:08]  He's staying in character.
[01:54:09]  Oh, wow.
[01:54:10]  Right?
[01:54:11]  Now, I still didn't get it.
[01:54:14]  I mean, how could I?
[01:54:16]  I'm new.
[01:54:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:54:17]  This is my what?
[01:54:18]  Second, third film?
[01:54:19]  Imagine your second, third film and you're sitting across Denzel fucking watching.
[01:54:22]  Yeah, it's a blessing.
[01:54:23]  But I'm new.
[01:54:24]  So now, and I go home and I tell my wife, I'm like, I don't think Denzel likes me.
[01:54:30]  She said, What's your man?
[01:54:32]  I said, I don't know, baby.
[01:54:34]  Like, I knocked on his door.
[01:54:35]  You know what I mean?
[01:54:36]  Going through every moment.
[01:54:37]  Like, yeah.
[01:54:38]  And she's like, I don't know.
[01:54:41]  Because she loves Denzel.
[01:54:42]  Of course.
[01:54:43]  And shit.
[01:54:44]  And so I wanted to be able to come home and say, Yeah, Denzel, my man.
[01:54:49]  But what finally happens, bro, which shows how amazing he is, now it's the premiere.
[01:54:57]  And we walk in the red carpet, and somebody comes from behind and grabs me and then gives me a big hug, like from the back.
[01:55:03]  And I turn around, fucking Denzel Watson.
[01:55:05]  Whatever it is, you're great in the film and shit.

=== Trust What You Put On Body (03:39) ===

[01:55:10]  I'm like, oh shit.
[01:55:14]  He's like, take a picture.
[01:55:16]  And took a picture with me and my wife and all of us.
[01:55:19]  And I seen him after that, and we're cool.
[01:55:21]  Wow.
[01:55:22]  But I was like, oh shit.
[01:55:23]  And I was, you know, everything was like, ah.
[01:55:25]  Yeah.
[01:55:26]  He knows me.
[01:55:27]  He likes me.
[01:55:28]  I'm cool.
[01:55:28]  Because you didn't meet Denzel.
[01:55:30]  Frank Lucas.
[01:55:32]  Exactly.
[01:55:33]  And that's the kind of professional that he is.
[01:55:36]  And that's the kind of professional that really, if you're serious about that craft, right, I think that's a smart approach.
[01:55:45]  I don't know if I could do that because I come from different disciplines.
[01:55:49]  So I bring a different discipline with it.
[01:55:51]  Sure.
[01:55:51]  You know what I mean?
[01:55:52]  But he's one of the best to ever do it.
[01:55:55]  So it makes totally, total sense and shit.
[01:55:58]  He probably tells that story.
[01:55:59]  He's like, I was waking up.
[01:56:01]  Cops is banging on my door.
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=== Peace Of Mind In Texture (12:49) ===

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[01:59:14]  You were telling us a story before of going to this rapper from Detroit, his first album release party.
[01:59:20]  Oh, I went to Eminem's first album release party.
[01:59:24]  I met him there.
[01:59:25]  I was the only East Coast motherfucker in there, bro.
[01:59:28]  It was in LA.
[01:59:30]  How did you know about him?
[01:59:32]  Who, Eminem?
[01:59:32]  Yeah, because before the album is released, I think the single's doing well.
[01:59:36]  Yeah, the single's doing well, yeah.
[01:59:38]  But he wasn't the sensation immediately.
[01:59:40]  Well, he, I mean, I think lyricists recognize him immediately.
[01:59:44]  So, okay, so the community, the people who are rap, rap, rap.
[01:59:47]  Yeah, lyricists recognize him immediately.
[01:59:50]  Now, I didn't meet him back.
[01:59:53]  So I had other guys that worked underneath me.
[01:59:58]  My up and coming crew was staying at the Oakwood Apartments.
[02:00:01]  So, there's a place in California called the Oakwood Apartments.
[02:00:05]  In those days, all artists would get an apartment as a corporate housing.
[02:00:10]  Someone else has told me about this.
[02:00:12]  Yeah.
[02:00:13]  It was also, I think, like if you were doing pilot season.
[02:00:16]  Yeah.
[02:00:16]  Like your mom and you would come, you're like a child actor and you get an apartment there.
[02:00:20]  Yeah, you get an apartment.
[02:00:20]  The Oakwood Apartments.
[02:00:21]  A lot of actors or up and coming artists.
[02:00:23]  Yeah.
[02:00:25]  Eminem was there at the Oakwood and he met some of the younger Killer Bs.
[02:00:31]  Like a guy named Holocaust and all these dudes.
[02:00:36]  Interesting name.
[02:00:37]  That's his fucking name, bro.
[02:00:39]  Some guys are killer, you know what I mean?
[02:00:44]  What's bigger than a killer?
[02:00:45]  How'd it go in the entertainment business?
[02:00:48]  One single.
[02:00:50]  Actually, rest in peace.
[02:00:52]  He passed away.
[02:00:52]  You know who could quote Holocaust lyric from beginning to end?
[02:00:55]  The Jews.
[02:00:56]  Seth Rogen, bro.
[02:00:58]  Get out of here.
[02:00:59]  Seth Rogen knew that shit.
[02:01:00]  When I met Seth Rogen, he knew that whole fucking verse.
[02:01:03]  The verse is amazing.
[02:01:04]  It's not a.
[02:01:05]  Is it in German?
[02:01:08]  Okay.
[02:01:12]  I never actually had to say his name like that.
[02:01:17]  I guess.
[02:01:17]  You just called him Koss.
[02:01:19]  You just called him Koss.
[02:01:21]  Or Holland.
[02:01:23]  He was good.
[02:01:25]  He had some shit as a West Coast killer bees and shit.
[02:01:29]  But anyway, they met Eminem back in those days and shit.
[02:01:33]  And they told me about him and shit.
[02:01:35]  You know what I mean?
[02:01:35]  Because they were getting to Cypher's.
[02:01:38]  Okay, so they knew there was like some news percolating.
[02:01:40]  Yeah, but when I went to the album, I just went, like, and I think in that phase of my life, trying to move, I moved to Cali, you know, I'm the type of motherfucker that will show up.
[02:01:54]  You know what I mean?
[02:01:55]  If somebody, like, oh, they got a hip hop so and so tonight, so and so, you want to pop in?
[02:02:00]  Yeah, why not?
[02:02:02]  It's a party?
[02:02:05]  Yo, and I'll be the only motherfucker, yo, bro, I'll be the only motherfucker from the East Coast in the whole fucking party.
[02:02:10]  You know what I mean?
[02:02:13]  But there was love for Wu Tang.
[02:02:14]  Yeah, it was love.
[02:02:16]  I felt super comfortable, and it is love.
[02:02:18]  Come on, Dr. Dre, that's like the godfather of it all.
[02:02:22]  You know what I mean?
[02:02:24]  And even when I first met him, it was like a pleasure, like a joy.
[02:02:28]  I imagine when he meets you, given how much he cares about, especially like rabbit lyrics, he's meeting someone he's admired for a very long time.
[02:02:41]  Is there like.
[02:02:42]  It's mutual.
[02:02:42]  Yeah.
[02:02:43]  Of course, of course.
[02:02:44]  Yeah, I gotta say.
[02:02:45]  Yeah, no, no, it's mutual.
[02:02:46]  He loves the game.
[02:02:47]  You can really feel like he's going to be.
[02:02:48]  Yeah, no, he's going to be some great compliments.
[02:02:51]  And it's mutual.
[02:02:51]  It's like he's one of, if anything, if you want it to sound like a fucking record, you gotta emulate him.
[02:03:00]  You know what I mean?
[02:03:02]  I wasn't trying to sound like a record, honestly, until I was trying.
[02:03:07]  Like for many years, I didn't try to, I was trying to sound like the demo.
[02:03:10]  You know what I mean?
[02:03:11]  I wanted my shit to sound like, yo, son, this shit niggas made this shit.
[02:03:15]  Like, I was all grimy.
[02:03:17]  You wanted it to be like, yo, bro, fuck that.
[02:03:21]  Lo fi.
[02:03:21]  Yeah, you know how it is when you first.
[02:03:23]  I mean, especially like, I'm a generation older than you guys, but hip hop started on fucking tapes, bro, with hisses.
[02:03:34]  My dad used to work at NBC, he would like produce the news on NBC.
[02:03:40]  He was first in Baltimore, and then he came up and he did a news story, and it was the first ever news story on rap music.
[02:03:48]  And he went up, and there was a guy named, it was up in the Bronx, there was a club, I forget the name.
[02:03:53]  The Fever?
[02:03:54]  I don't know, I gotta ask him, but.
[02:03:56]  It was DJ Hollywood.
[02:03:57]  Yeah, DJ Hollywood.
[02:03:58]  Yeah.
[02:03:59]  Classic, yeah.
[02:04:00]  And he was like, dude, he was like, this guy was like, he was just kind of freestyling.
[02:04:03]  He was going like off the.
[02:04:05]  And imagine like a white dude that grew up in New York.
[02:04:08]  Never heard this shit before.
[02:04:09]  He hasn't heard of it.
[02:04:09]  He's there and everybody's telling him about this.
[02:04:12]  Like, this is very old.
[02:04:13]  My dad's old.
[02:04:13]  He's 80 years old, you know what I mean?
[02:04:15]  And he goes in and he actually met with like Russell in his like midtown one office with no desk.
[02:04:22]  Right.
[02:04:22]  It was just a telephone and two chairs.
[02:04:24]  Right.
[02:04:24]  Right.
[02:04:26]  But he said he was, Curtis Blow was there and stuff, but he said there was something about that, like that DJ Hollywood guy.
[02:04:32]  Right.
[02:04:32]  And I was always curious, so like people came up, or at least were like aware at the time.
[02:04:35]  Yeah, DJ Hollywood had tapes floating around.
[02:04:37]  Like, I'm more of the era of Cold Crush Brothers, which is, you know, Cold Crush Brothers.
[02:04:44]  No.
[02:04:45]  Okay, so Cold Crush, I mean, people were arguing that Grandmaster Cass of the Cold Crush Brothers might be the third rapper.
[02:04:57]  In history.
[02:04:59]  Really?
[02:04:59]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:05:01]  You might be the third.
[02:05:03]  They're saying there's a guy named Copeland Rock.
[02:05:04]  Yeah.
[02:05:05]  Right?
[02:05:06]  He might be the first rapper in history.
[02:05:08]  Rapper in history.
[02:05:12]  Melly Mel.
[02:05:13]  Yeah.
[02:05:14]  Grandmaster Cass.
[02:05:15]  These are amongst the considerable, these are considered some of the first.
[02:05:20]  And if not, definitely in the Bronx.
[02:05:23]  You know what I mean?
[02:05:23]  Where it comes from.
[02:05:24]  So, right.
[02:05:25]  So, yeah, Cold Crush Brothers.
[02:05:29]  That was that song from the Cold Quest Brothers, the Fantastic Five, Fearless Four, Crash Crew.
[02:05:42]  So, this is percolating at the time.
[02:05:44]  This is that's tapes, bro.
[02:05:45]  And this is like, I'm trying to figure out what it connects to.
[02:05:49]  Like, I remember when I was a kid, do you remember like the Jackass, that show Jackass on your TV?
[02:05:53]  Yeah.
[02:05:53]  Before Jackass, there was this thing that Bam Margera and his brother and their friends did.
[02:05:58]  There was a skate video called CKY and CKY2K.
[02:06:02]  It would mix skateboarding with pranks.
[02:06:04]  Okay.
[02:06:04]  This is the first experience I had with something that was like viral through like handing it to people.
[02:06:10]  In the same way that tapes, I think, were like, I remember getting like Big L's tape.
[02:06:15]  Right, right.
[02:06:15]  Right, right.
[02:06:16]  And it was almost people would gatekeep big out a little bit.
[02:06:18]  It's like, it's a secret, right?
[02:06:20]  Yeah, I don't know why they felt like they wanted to be secret, but the only way you could hear about shit, it wasn't marketing, it wasn't fucking promo.
[02:06:28]  Somebody had to hand it to you.
[02:06:28]  Someone handed it to you, and maybe you could like burn a copy of it.
[02:06:32]  Oh, yeah, you got your fucking Kanye box, and you fucking.
[02:06:35]  Yeah, press record, and then.
[02:06:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:06:38]  Yeah, so that's.
[02:06:39]  So that vibe and that feeling was always important to me.
[02:06:42]  The vintage sound of hip hop.
[02:06:45]  So you leaned into that.
[02:06:47]  Yeah.
[02:06:47]  When Jizzle did his first album, Uh, Worlds from a Genius.
[02:06:51]  Um, it was in the studio, like he had the demo first.
[02:06:55]  I had the demo on cassette.
[02:06:57]  Then when he put the album done, it, it, yeah.
[02:07:01]  So, what you made it more like the demo?
[02:07:03]  No, what he, what I'm saying is that I have the demo of his album, which I love.
[02:07:08]  I love, love the album was too refined.
[02:07:10]  Then I get the album, like, yo, it sound like what is like what happened?
[02:07:14]  Like, something is like it don't sound like you.
[02:07:16]  The readiness, the soul, yeah, yeah, whatever they did in that mixing board.
[02:07:21]  So, so now my goal was.
[02:07:24]  To make sure that that doesn't lose.
[02:07:26]  So when you put it on 36th Chamber, right, this is go to the tape.
[02:07:29]  You turn it over, and Cream, yo, you hear the tape, be like, hey, yo, son, class, hey, yo, son, like all that shit happening, bro.
[02:07:38]  It's real.
[02:07:38]  It's real.
[02:07:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:40]  It's real.
[02:07:41]  And then when the beat finally drops, because you don't think it's going to drop, you know what I mean?
[02:07:46]  And I'm actually doing it live.
[02:07:48]  I'm doing that live.
[02:07:50]  I mean, because I'll be like, on 7th Chamber, I. Press every snare manually.
[02:07:59]  Wow.
[02:08:00]  So you're keeping the timing yourself.
[02:08:02]  Yeah, every fucking snare.
[02:08:03]  And you can hear it flap, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
[02:08:07]  I got it now.
[02:08:08]  You know what I mean?
[02:08:11]  I'm living it.
[02:08:12]  You know what I mean?
[02:08:13]  It's not perfect, but it's real.
[02:08:14]  It's real.
[02:08:15]  Exactly.
[02:08:15]  Not perfect is what people say.
[02:08:17]  So the guy that does the audio, you met him earlier at Time Cassette.
[02:08:20]  He's the best at, in my opinion, doing audio for stand up comedy.
[02:08:24]  But a thing that we always talk about, like when we're filming specials, is like, You need to hear the audience.
[02:08:30]  Sometimes people who do audio for stand up, they just want the words to sound perfect and then the audience.
[02:08:37]  And I go, when you're at a comedy show, sometimes you won't even hear what the motherfucker's saying because people laugh.
[02:08:43]  Someone's ordering a drink behind you, there's a glass somewhere.
[02:08:46]  Just like make it.
[02:08:46]  That's smart, yeah.
[02:08:48]  Like give people that experience where they feel like they're there.
[02:08:51]  That's smart because your special actually do sound good.
[02:08:54]  Yeah.
[02:08:54]  No, no, so.
[02:08:55]  Shout out to Tom.
[02:08:55]  You know what I mean?
[02:08:56]  Because I've seen specials where it's like it's hollow.
[02:08:59]  Like somebody put a filter over that shit.
[02:09:01]  And they do.
[02:09:02]  Because they want to make it perfect for the standards of what the stereo should be.
[02:09:07]  Yeah, right.
[02:09:07]  Netflix want it like this.
[02:09:09]  It's not a sitcom with a laugh track.
[02:09:11]  It's human beings who laugh at weird times.
[02:09:14]  Sometimes they laugh late.
[02:09:16]  Sometimes they're kind of like repeating a word from it.
[02:09:19]  Make it ugly.
[02:09:20]  It's like Richard Pryor, right?
[02:09:22]  Remember when they're walking in when he was live in some sense?
[02:09:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:09:25]  The guy walks up to him, takes a picture.
[02:09:26]  It's like, it's so real.
[02:09:27]  It's the realest moment.
[02:09:28]  Yeah, he's like, well, and he lives off it, he lives into it.
[02:09:32]  I think that's one of the special sauce with Wu is that you felt like it was not only the characters, right?
[02:09:38]  Characters, I'm using that.
[02:09:39]  Respect, respect.
[02:09:40]  But like not only the people that populated it, but also like the sound.
[02:09:43]  Everything about it felt so authentic that it made things that weren't that feel mainstream or, I don't want to say processed, but like in reflection of it.
[02:09:56]  Right, I know what you're saying.
[02:09:57]  I know what you mean.
[02:09:57]  It's like it's almost like you're like the hoodie skateboarder.
[02:10:02]  Mm hmm.
[02:10:03]  Is better than the fucking Olympic ice skater.
[02:10:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:10:07]  Fuck all that shit.
[02:10:09]  Even though it's all great talent, it's all great talent, but it's like.
[02:10:12]  I don't need the tassels, bro.
[02:10:14]  I don't need the tassels.
[02:10:17]  That's it.
[02:10:17]  I want his sneakers scuffed.
[02:10:18]  Right, right, right.
[02:10:19]  I want his jeans ripped.
[02:10:21]  Right.
[02:10:21]  Makes sense, yo.
[02:10:23]  But I will say there was intention to that, to the sound.
[02:10:27]  You know, it was intention and it stayed like that for a while.
[02:10:31]  Because when I did the Method Man album, I felt like that we went to the studio on that album.
[02:10:36]  I didn't, I never liked, I ain't gonna say I never liked it.
[02:10:38]  I love what we did.
[02:10:40]  But I just felt like it was, I let too many fingers touch it.
[02:10:43]  So when I went to Cuban Links, I didn't let nobody touch it.
[02:10:45]  Nobody touch it.
[02:10:46]  You know what I mean?
[02:10:47]  I didn't even go to the studio.
[02:10:49]  I did.
[02:10:49]  I put the board in my house, put the two track reel in my fucking house.
[02:10:55]  And if you even listen to that album, even though it's going to sound whatever way it's going to sound, you may hear stuff that has more sonic weight to it.
[02:11:03]  But sonic ideas and the way that the MCs sound, I had every one of their compressors set.
[02:11:11]  So when Ghost came, you listen, like in the early albums, Ghosts sound like Ghosts again and again and again and again.
[02:11:19]  He stopped sounding like ghosts, but he started sounding a little different than the place I had him in.
[02:11:26]  You know what I mean?
[02:11:26]  Oh, because they stopped putting those compressors in the same place.
[02:11:30]  Stop using what we use.
[02:11:33]  This is, you know what I mean?
[02:11:34]  Like the setting.
[02:11:34]  Like we came there today, I had a setting.
[02:11:37]  Like maybe these lights are preset for you.

=== Keeping The Board Safe At Home (11:51) ===

[02:11:39]  Of course.
[02:11:39]  Every time you sit here, bro, it looks like your show.
[02:11:42]  If you guys got to break this shit down and move, it is.
[02:11:46]  It's not a little different, but it's a little different.
[02:11:48]  So you had the ghost setting.
[02:11:49]  Yeah, I had everybody's setting, bro.
[02:11:52]  I want to ask you a question.
[02:11:53]  Yeah.
[02:11:54]  Because I just we talk about Mr. Fry.
[02:11:55]  Who name you know, name five Patrice O'Neill?
[02:11:59]  Patrice O'Neill?
[02:12:00]  Patrice O'Neill?
[02:12:02]  That's your favorite?
[02:12:02]  Patrice O'Neill.
[02:12:03]  Wow, that's my top five.
[02:12:05]  He's funny to her.
[02:12:06]  Yeah, wow, that's good.
[02:12:07]  Die line, die line, die line.
[02:12:10]  Now, listen, this is I've seen everybody live, uh huh, and I've seen them on their recorded stuff, right?
[02:12:16]  So it's I'm not just judging off of like what you see on video.
[02:12:19]  There's some people where you see they're like they're special, and in my opinion, it's not like the best representation of them, not even because of the jokes.
[02:12:27]  Sometimes, like, their energy doesn't permeate the television.
[02:12:31]  That's true.
[02:12:31]  You know what I mean?
[02:12:32]  And there are some people who permeate the television, but, like, in person is not as impressive.
[02:12:36]  Right.
[02:12:37]  I don't know what that is.
[02:12:37]  I don't know what that force is, but some people have that gift or that thing.
[02:12:41]  Right.
[02:12:42]  To me, it was just the most fully formed.
[02:12:47]  Like, he could give you great jokes.
[02:12:49]  He could bring you into the joke.
[02:12:52]  He could make you think it was happening in real time.
[02:12:55]  And he could do a joke about the toughest thing and get you to laugh at it.
[02:13:01]  I'm gonna go back and study him.
[02:13:02]  I've seen some of his work, but not a lot of it.
[02:13:04]  And he is funny.
[02:13:05]  But I'm gonna go take another observation.
[02:13:07]  Elephant in the Room is the one that's probably available now on Netflix and Comic Central.
[02:13:12]  Look, he passed like RIP.
[02:13:13]  You didn't put out a ton.
[02:13:14]  I don't know that he passed.
[02:13:16]  I can see it.
[02:13:17]  It's almost like a Biggie.
[02:13:18]  No, no, Biggie was bigger.
[02:13:19]  He was more renowned, but like.
[02:13:21]  Well, he's one of those super, like a Big L maybe.
[02:13:24]  That's maybe a better.
[02:13:27]  Like everybody knew about him.
[02:13:29]  But to me, it's like not even.
[02:13:32]  Okay.
[02:13:32]  I haven't seen anybody touch it.
[02:13:34]  Who's your favorite comedian?
[02:13:36]  For me, Richard Pryor just always seems to have always.
[02:13:42]  I still got him as number one because he was able to.
[02:13:48]  My stomach growled.
[02:13:48]  Hear that?
[02:13:49]  That was a long growl.
[02:13:50]  I thought it was the subway.
[02:13:52]  That was a long growl, bro.
[02:13:56]  I never heard someone say my stomach's growling while it's still growling, bro.
[02:13:59]  You got a subwoofer in his soul, bro.
[02:14:02]  He's a real producer.
[02:14:03]  I drunk before I ate.
[02:14:05]  My stuff is like, yo, bro, that's what you're giving me?
[02:14:07]  Seriously?
[02:14:08]  That's rice.
[02:14:09]  It's rice.
[02:14:09]  Yeah, it's rice in there.
[02:14:11]  It's some koi.
[02:14:14]  Richard is fantastic.
[02:14:15]  The reason why I say him for me is I just never seen nobody before or after animate anything into a situation.
[02:14:26]  Yeah.
[02:14:26]  Like, he's like, yo, the dog, he had the dog always barking at me and shit, right?
[02:14:32]  And shit.
[02:14:33]  He said, then he had the monkeys, and then the monkeys died and shit.
[02:14:38]  And the monkeys died.
[02:14:40]  I was fucking sad.
[02:14:41]  My monkeys died and shit.
[02:14:42]  And I was sitting there, and the fucking dog that used to chase me, he jumps over the fence and shit.
[02:14:48]  You go, hey, man, sorry about your monkey.
[02:14:53]  Yeah, that's sad.
[02:14:54]  I was going to eat them and shit.
[02:14:57]  You know what I mean?
[02:14:58]  He's like, you know, don't let that shit get to you, man.
[02:15:01]  You know, that shit could fuck you up, you know?
[02:15:03]  Yeah, be strong, man.
[02:15:05]  All right.
[02:15:06]  He said, then the dog licked my hand and he ran and jumped back over the fence.
[02:15:10]  But before he landed, he looked back and said, now you know I'm going to be chasing your ass again tomorrow.
[02:15:15]  I was like, so is that a different?
[02:15:17]  No, Richard's.
[02:15:18]  And the jokes still hold up.
[02:15:19]  You listen to like old prior, like they still work.
[02:15:22]  Like a comic could do them today, like maybe changing like a little, like some language stuff, but like it's the essence is still there.
[02:15:27]  A lot of old comics, it kind of ages.
[02:15:28]  Yeah.
[02:15:29]  Yeah.
[02:15:31]  Comedy doesn't age well a lot of times.
[02:15:33]  Hey there, watch it.
[02:15:33]  Hold on.
[02:15:36]  Again?
[02:15:36]  Train's coming.
[02:15:39]  Who's an artist you would love to work with that you haven't been able to?
[02:15:44]  I don't know.
[02:15:45]  I'm open to artists.
[02:15:46]  I just, musically, You know who I never, this is corny, but I said it 100 times.
[02:15:52]  I'll say it again.
[02:15:53]  I never really worked with Lion Hill, bro.
[02:15:56]  She's out there again.
[02:15:58]  I know, but I never, like, if that was something that I think should have happened, and definitely in our primes, it just never happened, y'all.
[02:16:05]  That would be fire.
[02:16:07]  Can you maybe even get her to put out another album?
[02:16:11]  I know, we've been waiting a long time for that.
[02:16:13]  Might be.
[02:16:14]  She already got the Apple number one album of the fucking history.
[02:16:19]  I think they got it right, too.
[02:16:21]  She killed it.
[02:16:22]  Okay, so.
[02:16:23]  Just real quick, Big L to you.
[02:16:26]  What was happening in your life around that time?
[02:16:30]  Big L's a very New York-centric.
[02:16:31]  Big L's my man, bro.
[02:16:33]  Wait, you knew him?
[02:16:34]  Bro, I don't talk a lot about Big L and shit because that's my man and shit.
[02:16:39]  And me and Big L was rhyming back before Wu-Tang.
[02:16:43]  Get the fuck out of here.
[02:16:45]  Wait.
[02:16:45]  So, people outside of New York, I don't know if they really know Big L that much.
[02:16:50]  Yeah, he's growing, though.
[02:16:52]  It's weird.
[02:16:53]  He's growing.
[02:16:53]  Even in Europe, sometimes they'll be aware of him.
[02:16:57]  He's like one of those.
[02:16:58]  Like, it's certain jazz musicians too, right?
[02:17:01]  That you realize that they were another pillar of it, right?
[02:17:06]  Another energy of it that you don't realize until you realize it.
[02:17:10]  I think he was ahead of his time, bro.
[02:17:13]  He was special, bro.
[02:17:14]  And that was my man.
[02:17:15]  That was my man, man.
[02:17:17]  I know Method Man said one time that I don't want to repeat it.
[02:17:21]  You know, times that got tough with Big L, so he became a street pharmacist.
[02:17:27]  I thought his brother was the street guy, and he was.
[02:17:30]  Either way, I remember I had to dial him.
[02:17:33]  But that was my man, though.
[02:17:36]  Right.
[02:17:37]  I mean, I had a drug moment.
[02:17:38]  I don't talk too much about my drug moments.
[02:17:40]  Right.
[02:17:40]  So long.
[02:17:41]  Yeah.
[02:17:41]  But I had a drug moment a little bit.
[02:17:43]  I was fucked up.
[02:17:44]  Really?
[02:17:44]  Yeah, I was lost in the sauce, bro.
[02:17:46]  Using or distributing?
[02:17:48]  No, using, bro.
[02:17:49]  Really?
[02:17:49]  Like, I didn't know.
[02:17:50]  Yeah, I kept it to, you know, especially after my mom's passed, yo.
[02:17:54]  My mom's passed, it's just like, I don't know, I lost myself for some years.
[02:17:58]  It wasn't reasonable.
[02:18:00]  It was kept, you know, I kept it.
[02:18:03]  Contain and shit, you know what I mean?
[02:18:07]  it wasn't publicly exposed.
[02:18:09]  Right.
[02:18:09]  You know what I mean?
[02:18:10]  I ain't gonna get mad, bro.
[02:18:12]  You don't even wanna get into it.
[02:18:13]  I call it, you know what?
[02:18:15]  I made my own formula.
[02:18:16]  Get the fuck out of here.
[02:18:18]  The shit I was doing, bro.
[02:18:19]  You are a producer.
[02:18:20]  Bro, the shit, yo.
[02:18:21]  Yo, all of Sam, bro.
[02:18:24]  Yo, the shit I put, yo, trust me, you packaged the shit I made?
[02:18:28]  Trillion, trillion, man.
[02:18:30]  Trillion, man.
[02:18:31]  I'm serious, bro.
[02:18:31]  Really?
[02:18:32]  You packaged what I came up with?
[02:18:35]  Wow.
[02:18:35]  How long?
[02:18:37]  Like, how long did you go through that period?
[02:18:39]  I feel like it lasted at least.
[02:18:42]  At least, uh, probably seven years.
[02:18:45]  No fucking way.
[02:18:47]  Like, Bobby Digital is a product of that.
[02:18:49]  Oh, wow.
[02:18:51]  How did you kick it?
[02:18:52]  How did you.
[02:18:53]  Yeah, what cut you out?
[02:18:54]  Yeah, like, we'll talk about that another time.
[02:18:57]  Fair enough.
[02:18:57]  Okay.
[02:18:58]  Yeah.
[02:18:58]  Wow.
[02:18:59]  But it's gone.
[02:18:59]  I don't even smoke weed.
[02:19:00]  I know.
[02:19:01]  Wow.
[02:19:01]  That's interesting.
[02:19:02]  Saki's good.
[02:19:03]  Fairly indulged in sake.
[02:19:04]  Wow.
[02:19:05]  Because I love when you started doing the Bobby Digital stuff.
[02:19:07]  I was like, oh, wow, I'm just seeing a new side of you.
[02:19:09]  And I didn't know that I was.
[02:19:10]  But I saw the future.
[02:19:11]  Wait a minute.
[02:19:12]  What do you mean?
[02:19:14]  5e digital.
[02:19:15]  You saw the future as inspired by this consumption or because you've always had a kind of foresight in what was going on?
[02:19:21]  That accelerated my foresight.
[02:19:23]  Damn.
[02:19:28]  And then was part of that future bad if you didn't kick it?
[02:19:33]  And that's why you're like, I got to get off this shit.
[02:19:35]  Guaranteed.
[02:19:37]  Wow.
[02:19:39]  So, some like spiritual experience type of thing?
[02:19:42]  These guys trying to dig at me.
[02:19:44]  Sorry, bro.
[02:19:45]  Don't do this.
[02:19:46]  Let's come back.
[02:19:46]  Let's come back to another time.
[02:19:48]  Wow.
[02:19:49]  Oh, yeah.
[02:19:50]  Sorry, sorry.
[02:19:51]  You were saying about L. You guys were close.
[02:19:53]  Yeah.
[02:19:54]  You had to call and be like, listen, dude.
[02:19:56]  No, I was calling him for the lead.
[02:19:58]  Yeah.
[02:19:59]  He had one third of my formula.
[02:20:00]  Yeah.
[02:20:01]  I need a sample.
[02:20:03]  Well, at least 20 machines.
[02:20:06]  He had 25% of the formula.
[02:20:07]  I had to get it from him.
[02:20:09]  Yeah.
[02:20:09]  Wow.
[02:20:10]  But that was a real thing that rappers used to do.
[02:20:12]  Like, would go to other rappers' hoods and, like, battle.
[02:20:16]  Like, that was a real thing.
[02:20:17]  Because you hear stories of Big L and Jay Z having these rappers.
[02:20:20]  Yeah.
[02:20:20]  And that's how you met L.
[02:20:22]  Yeah.
[02:20:22]  At a battle?
[02:20:22]  Yeah, I met him at a battle, yep.
[02:20:24]  Wow.
[02:20:24]  And Nasty, just nasty.
[02:20:26]  Nasty.
[02:20:26]  I forgot who was there.
[02:20:27]  I feel like Fat Joe might have been there back then, too.
[02:20:29]  Was it uptown, the battle?
[02:20:30]  No, we were in D.C.
[02:20:31]  This is like 90.
[02:20:33]  Yeah, I feel like this is 90.
[02:20:37]  And pre written stuff or.
[02:20:39]  Whatever, whatever you got.
[02:20:41]  Bro, maybe the reason I like a lot of it is because he had some bars that were hilarious.
[02:20:45]  Like, I think a lot of the.
[02:20:47]  There's a lot of dudes that battle rap now that are like genuinely.
[02:20:51]  Geniuses at it.
[02:20:52]  Geniuses.
[02:20:52]  Yeah.
[02:20:53]  Like, I watched so many of these guys, and they're phenomenal and they're funny, and it's kind of like joke writing in a way.
[02:20:58]  Yeah, it's like roast jokes.
[02:20:59]  It's like roast jokes, right?
[02:20:59]  Yeah.
[02:21:00]  And, but he would just have these lines that would have me fucking dying, bro.
[02:21:05]  No, he was good, man.
[02:21:06]  He was special.
[02:21:08]  Just, first of all, just like, he was my man.
[02:21:11]  Like, what I mean by my man is like, every time I saw him, I felt good.
[02:21:17]  You know what I mean?
[02:21:19]  Like, and even when Ghost saw him, who didn't know him like I knew him, He felt good.
[02:21:25]  Really?
[02:21:26]  Like, you know, some people was like that.
[02:21:27]  Like, you see them, and it's like, yo, it's my man right here.
[02:21:31]  Yeah.
[02:21:31]  You know what I mean?
[02:21:32]  He makes you smile.
[02:21:33]  He's real.
[02:21:34]  He's still real.
[02:21:36]  He wasn't nothing but real.
[02:21:38]  He's an artist, and he was real.
[02:21:40]  You know what I mean?
[02:21:42]  And I ain't saying like I spent a thousand days with him.
[02:21:45]  You know what I mean?
[02:21:45]  Sure, but you felt a connection with him.
[02:21:47]  You thought he was.
[02:21:48]  positive energy.
[02:21:49]  Yeah.
[02:21:50]  Especially.
[02:21:51]  What happened to the guy?
[02:21:52]  And he'll bust a look.
[02:21:54]  Yeah, he has 16 ready.
[02:21:56]  Anytime.
[02:21:56]  He has 16 ready for you.
[02:21:57]  You want it?
[02:21:59]  You know what I mean?
[02:22:00]  You got it.
[02:22:00]  Did you ever have to battle him?
[02:22:03]  I don't know.
[02:22:04]  I don't know about that.
[02:22:05]  I won't speak on that.
[02:22:07]  Wow.
[02:22:08]  Wow.
[02:22:10]  I want to know that one.
[02:22:12]  Maybe off air.
[02:22:13]  Round two.
[02:22:14]  Well, yeah, that's round two.
[02:22:15]  That's round two.
[02:22:15]  We're going to learn a lot of stuff.
[02:22:17]  He's a special dude.
[02:22:18]  So let's keep that specialty there.
[02:22:20]  Let's do it.
[02:22:21]  In thinking about rap beefs, I'm so curious your perspective on the current state of hip hop and rap.
[02:22:26]  Obviously, Kendrick and Drake had this massive thing a year back.
[02:22:30]  And I know you kind of helped Kendrick a little bit when he was first starting off, helping with some samples and clearing some stuff.
[02:22:36]  And then obviously, you and Drake, it seems like, have some relationship with Wu Tang Forever and things like that.
[02:22:40]  So, I'm curious when you saw that going down, what was your perspective?
[02:22:43]  And now that things are kind of settled, what can you say about it?
[02:22:46]  I mean, hip hop is a sport as well as an art form, right?
[02:22:50]  It's like chess chess is a sport, but it's also an art form and it's also a competition.
[02:22:55]  So, hip hop to me is very similar.
[02:22:57]  So, I thought it was great and healthy.
[02:23:01]  The only thing that's, you know, that's we could look at in perspective is that because it's black culture in a way, even though it's not, but.
[02:23:13]  It's just.
[02:23:14]  It is.
[02:23:14]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:23:14]  But it is.
[02:23:15]  You know what I mean?
[02:23:16]  I say it's not because, fuck, where's Rick Rubin?
[02:23:18]  Where's Charlie Chase?
[02:23:19]  You know what I mean?
[02:23:20]  Charlie Chase was part of the first cruise, Grand Wizard Theodore.
[02:23:25]  I think Charlie Chase was Puerto Rican.
[02:23:27]  Tito from the Fearless Force, Puerto Rican.

=== Hip Hop As A Sport (08:08) ===

[02:23:30]  It's a black contribution to pop culture that has become the dominant force in pop culture.
[02:23:36]  Yeah, just capital C culture.
[02:23:37]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:23:38]  But, you know, the brothers put a lot in.
[02:23:41]  Yeah.
[02:23:42]  No question.
[02:23:42]  They created it.
[02:23:43]  Right.
[02:23:43]  So, and because of that, It comes with our stigma of you stuck on my shoe, yo.
[02:23:52]  You know what I mean?
[02:23:54]  In the old days, you couldn't even wear a Kango, bro.
[02:23:57]  Why?
[02:23:58]  You got to defend that.
[02:24:01]  No, I'm serious, yo.
[02:24:03]  Why do you have to wear a Kango?
[02:24:04]  Yo, bro, if you wore a Kango, in the days when hip hop was first formulating, you better be able to fight or have a gun or run fast.
[02:24:13]  What am I saying when I put on my Kango?
[02:24:15]  You're saying that I can hold this shit down, kid.
[02:24:18]  Wow.
[02:24:19]  If not, give me that.
[02:24:21]  I can't go.
[02:24:33]  I can't go.
[02:24:35]  Nobody stole it from me.
[02:24:37]  My North Face, yes.
[02:24:39]  I'm saying, wait, look, look, how they stole your North Face.
[02:24:45]  They snatched it?
[02:24:47]  I'm saying, wait, look, look, There was a little phone booth outside.
[02:24:55]  This is back when we're using payphones, like call our parents to shit.
[02:24:57]  No, I was like fucking 11, 12 years old.
[02:24:59]  A couple kids ran up on me and him, and they were like, yo, we're gonna need that.
[02:25:03]  And I was the last one of my group that got robbed.
[02:25:05]  Right, right.
[02:25:05]  Like, I watched my buddy get his jacket, his new face backpack taken, and it was like, I was front row at the garden.
[02:25:11]  I was like, oh, this is crazy.
[02:25:13]  He got a knife.
[02:25:14]  He's out there, we just skip over you.
[02:25:18]  He's like, dang, this is cool.
[02:25:20]  I was like, I don't think they want mine.
[02:25:25]  I got purple.
[02:25:25]  But anyway, yeah, they got my shit.
[02:25:27]  But that's how hip hop was.
[02:25:28]  Like, you know, you could be in that street jam and you got your whatever you got on, you got to be able to hold that down.
[02:25:34]  Right.
[02:25:35]  Right.
[02:25:35]  So, meaning, because of that nature of it, when a hip hop battle starts, we don't know if it's going to always stay with the art.
[02:25:43]  We don't know if it's going to always stay on the wax.
[02:25:47]  And so that's what makes it delicate.
[02:25:50]  And then when the lyrics, you know, to me, when Kendrick wrote that lyric, To his son, I mean, to his daughter, to his mom.
[02:26:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:26:04]  Yo, gee.
[02:26:06]  He broke him apart.
[02:26:07]  That was deep, bro.
[02:26:08]  He broke a heart, bro.
[02:26:09]  That was deep, bro.
[02:26:10]  I was just like, mm, mm.
[02:26:13]  That's, you know, that's, that lyric was strong as Nas writing the Core Mega.
[02:26:16]  Mm.
[02:26:17]  You know, I thought you were going to go Ether, but.
[02:26:19]  No, no, the song The Core Mega, bro.
[02:26:22]  One Love?
[02:26:24]  For us who live this shit, Nas wrote one of the best rhymes in history with that and the other song They Gave You Power.
[02:26:32]  I Gave You Power.
[02:26:33]  He's writing from the perspective of a fucking gun.
[02:26:36]  Oh, wow.
[02:26:37]  Like, so, and Kendrick, to me, Rose to that level when he fucking wrote this fucking letter to this dude.
[02:26:46]  But now it becomes, it goes back to what Jay Z said recently.
[02:26:53]  It's unnecessary because can it become personal?
[02:26:56]  Can it become back to, you know, Biggie and Pac?
[02:27:01]  Right?
[02:27:01]  You know, Pac says, I fucked your wife, bro.
[02:27:07]  Yeah.
[02:27:08]  You said it kindly.
[02:27:11]  Yeah, you said the kind of.
[02:27:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:27:13]  Exactly.
[02:27:14]  But still, that's a hard, it's a rhyme.
[02:27:18]  I lost my first battle to a nigga, right?
[02:27:20]  I didn't lose a lot of battles.
[02:27:23]  I lost this one battle, though.
[02:27:24]  I won most of my battles.
[02:27:26]  Maybe two of my life I lost.
[02:27:29]  But this dude, I'm maybe 13, 14, and my name is a scientist.
[02:27:34]  All my lyrics is scientifically deep, bro.
[02:27:37]  I tell you how the sperm go to the zygote, mitosis.
[02:27:47]  I said that shit.
[02:27:48]  It's girls and the whole crew.
[02:27:50]  We in the, you know, like 20 people, bro.
[02:27:53]  Yeah.
[02:27:54]  And, you know, I'll go first.
[02:27:55]  I said that shit.
[02:27:56]  I thought I killed this nigga.
[02:27:58]  This nigga said, I don't know, I forgot his name.
[02:28:01]  I don't know if it was Mikey D or some shit, whatever.
[02:28:03]  Nigga, my MC Mikey D, you talking that scientific shit.
[02:28:06]  I'll make you get on the knees, nigga, and suck my fucking dick.
[02:28:10]  Damn.
[02:28:10]  And the crowd's off?
[02:28:14]  I'm like, yeah.
[02:28:15]  What?
[02:28:15]  You can't say that.
[02:28:17]  Why don't you say what the fuck is this?
[02:28:20]  That's not clever.
[02:28:21]  It was no comeback.
[02:28:22]  You can't.
[02:28:22]  It was no comeback.
[02:28:24]  He called you a nerd.
[02:28:25]  Right.
[02:28:25]  Yeah.
[02:28:26]  And now, and yo, and we thought about like, do we fight?
[02:28:30]  You know, me and Dirty, we was like, yo, I can stab this nigga.
[02:28:34]  You really?
[02:28:36]  Like, yo, it felt deep.
[02:28:39]  Because this throwing out a suck my dick is deep.
[02:28:41]  You have to fight.
[02:28:43]  It's deep.
[02:28:43]  But it was a lesson.
[02:28:46]  Look, you hear Dirty.
[02:28:49]  He'll say shit like that quick after that.
[02:28:51]  Yeah.
[02:28:51]  By the time, you know what I mean?
[02:28:53]  Yeah.
[02:28:54]  I'm gonna bust your motherfucking ass right now.
[02:28:56]  I'm the one man on me, A song.
[02:28:59]  He even said, right?
[02:29:00]  You could suck my dick.
[02:29:02]  He said it in his own shit.
[02:29:04]  So that's what he learned from that moment.
[02:29:06]  That's what he learned.
[02:29:06]  Yeah, from that moment, you learn like, sometimes all that.
[02:29:10]  Dirty said, oh, on that song Stomp.
[02:29:12]  He said, niggas wanna get up and rap Man, fuck that.
[02:29:17]  That's it.
[02:29:18]  That's it.
[02:29:19]  Should I make his head?
[02:29:22]  That's right.
[02:29:23]  I mean, sometimes, but sometimes that's what resonates the most.
[02:29:27]  Yeah.
[02:29:27]  Damn.
[02:29:28]  But so, going back to your question, I think hip hop is doing great, bro.
[02:29:32]  Yeah, like, regardless of what is lacking, of what that battle did, and you'll learn May 15th, Drake will let us know what the Iceman thinks about it.
[02:29:45]  And you'll know.
[02:29:47]  But you'll know it's his talent, it's his skill.
[02:29:52]  Is he coming in, Muhammad Ali?
[02:29:55]  Right?
[02:29:56]  I gotta be careful saying this.
[02:29:58]  Because when Mike won the belt back, but I was so hurt, personally heartbroken when Buster Douglas took it from him or Buster Douglas.
[02:30:12]  I'll tell niggas, don't get Buster Douglas out this motherfucker.
[02:30:15]  You could get Buster Douglas.
[02:30:17]  You can.
[02:30:18]  You got to be careful, bro.
[02:30:20]  The dude took down the champ.
[02:30:23]  You know what I mean?
[02:30:24]  And nobody expected that.
[02:30:28]  Right?
[02:30:28]  So now, how do you come back from that?
[02:30:31]  You know what I mean?
[02:30:33]  So, and I'm not saying that this was a Buster Douglas fight.
[02:30:35]  This was two swordsmen at their peak, throwing rounds for rounds for rounds for rounds.
[02:30:41]  All respect to Buster Douglas, but Kendrick's not a Buster Douglas.
[02:30:44]  No, hell no.
[02:30:44]  Kendrick is a master, Drake is a master.
[02:30:47]  The two sports class, somebody's sport broke on that one.
[02:30:50]  Okay?
[02:30:52]  But he went home.
[02:30:54]  Right?
[02:30:55]  That's like chess.
[02:30:56]  You could come back and rock another day.
[02:30:58]  And so I'm so excited to see what he does with this new album.
[02:31:02]  He may go, who knows what he's going to do?
[02:31:03]  We're going to find out.
[02:31:05]  But if he comes like lyrical back on that, bong.
[02:31:08]  But if he comes back like, yo, I'm making hits upon hits, bong.
[02:31:12]  You know what I mean?
[02:31:12]  So I'm excited about that.
[02:31:13]  But I love hip hop.
[02:31:15]  I'm pessimistic about it.
[02:31:17]  And I think that.
[02:31:18]  You're optimistic or pessimistic?
[02:31:19]  Yeah.
[02:31:21]  I love hip hop.
[02:31:23]  I'm optimistic about it.
[02:31:25]  And I think that it continues to do what it was meant to do, which is inspire, enlighten, and feed so many families.
[02:31:31]  Love.
[02:31:32]  Where can we see this movie, man?
[02:31:33]  In theaters.
[02:31:36]  This weekend, May 1st.
[02:31:37]  You know what I mean?

=== Kendrick Is A Master Not Buster (06:16) ===

[02:31:39]  Theaters everywhere.
[02:31:39]  Go check it out.
[02:31:40]  Presented by Quentin, by the way.
[02:31:42]  Your homie, Quentin Tarantino.
[02:31:44]  One Spoon of Chocolate.
[02:31:45]  Presented by Quentin Tarantino.
[02:31:47]  Executive producer.
[02:31:48]  So it means that there are going to be white characters saying the N word.
[02:31:52]  100%.
[02:31:53]  Those are the qualifications.
[02:31:56]  That's the qualification.
[02:31:59]  Family Amber.
[02:32:00]  Feet.
[02:32:00]  Wait, is that feet?
[02:32:01]  No.
[02:32:02]  I was disappointed.
[02:32:04]  I'm a man of culture like Quentin.
[02:32:06]  Hey, Bobby, no feet in this.
[02:32:08]  Fucking movie, buddy.
[02:32:10]  Can you send us out on one more story?
[02:32:12]  Oh, yes, please.
[02:32:13]  You were telling me before that there was a time that you went to Shanghai.
[02:32:17]  Oh, okay.
[02:32:17]  And you had to try to figure out a bathroom situation.
[02:32:19]  Do you want a story or a round?
[02:32:21]  All of it.
[02:32:25]  Okay, then I'll give you some more to fuck with.
[02:32:27]  I'm going to start with a story, then I'm going to see if I got one bar for you.
[02:32:30]  Oh, yes.
[02:32:31]  Okay.
[02:32:31]  Yes.
[02:32:32]  So, no, we were talking about filming.
[02:32:36]  So, One Spoon of Chalk is my fourth feature film.
[02:32:39]  And my first film was called The Man with the Iron Fist.
[02:32:42]  And I shot that in China.
[02:32:45]  Russell Crowe, Dave Batista, Lucy Lewis, such a great cast, right?
[02:32:50]  But in 2010, 2011, when we were doing the film, outside of Shanghai, all the bathrooms still had the stand up joints.
[02:33:02]  Yeah.
[02:33:02]  You got to squat the plot.
[02:33:03]  You know what I mean?
[02:33:04]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:33:05]  I've seen them.
[02:33:06]  Yeah.
[02:33:06]  They still got them?
[02:33:08]  In parts of southern France.
[02:33:10]  Oh, wow.
[02:33:10]  Can you bring this up?
[02:33:11]  I don't know.
[02:33:12]  So that means that you're shitting, bro.
[02:33:15]  There's a hole in the ground.
[02:33:16]  A hole in the ground, or.
[02:33:17]  But even a hole in the toilet.
[02:33:19]  I mean, not in the toilet, but like you go into a stall and you squat and you plot, right?
[02:33:25]  Oh, what if you got bad knees?
[02:33:27]  You got to be strong, bro.
[02:33:28]  They don't got bad knees in China, bro.
[02:33:31]  That's why they just like squatting on the street and shit like that all the time.
[02:33:36]  Boom.
[02:33:36]  What?
[02:33:37]  So check it out, right?
[02:33:38]  That's a nice one.
[02:33:39]  That's a nice one.
[02:33:39]  I'm not going to even know what to do.
[02:33:41]  But go back to that one.
[02:33:42]  That top fourth one there.
[02:33:44]  Right here.
[02:33:44]  Yeah.
[02:33:45]  Yup.
[02:33:46]  There you go.
[02:33:47]  What?
[02:33:48]  Little grates so you don't sleep.
[02:33:49]  That's a nice one as well.
[02:33:50]  There wasn't that nice back, back, back, back when I went there, right?
[02:33:54]  But here's the punchline.
[02:33:56]  I got you.
[02:33:57]  Now, I'm bringing over 20 Americans as heads of departments and things of that nature.
[02:34:04]  So we're like, yo, we can't.
[02:34:08]  First of all, I'm the most finickiest bathroom user you're going to ever meet.
[02:34:12]  That shit is on my writer.
[02:34:14]  What's on your writer?
[02:34:16]  What's on your bathroom?
[02:34:17]  I got to have a personal, clean, private space, bro.
[02:34:21]  That's mine.
[02:34:23]  Nobody else could use it.
[02:34:25]  You know what I mean?
[02:34:25]  You got to mark me off my space.
[02:34:29]  You had 10 siblings growing up, so now you're joking.
[02:34:32]  I need my own, bro.
[02:34:33]  Bro, I had on my TV show, I had a trailer.
[02:34:37]  That's my dumper, right?
[02:34:40]  And my younger brother, who really doesn't really respect me as the Rizza.
[02:34:46]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:34:47]  And maybe not even as his big brother, because, of course, mind you, he's like fucking little Herculean looking motherfucker.
[02:34:53]  Black Superman.
[02:34:54]  Two inches taller.
[02:34:56]  Oh, wow.
[02:34:56]  Muscles.
[02:34:56]  Exact.
[02:34:57]  Bitch, about 350, 400.
[02:34:58]  Oh, shit.
[02:35:00]  Right?
[02:35:01]  But regardless, he's still my little brother.
[02:35:03]  Yeah.
[02:35:03]  Younger brother.
[02:35:05]  So, bro, would you believe that we get to set?
[02:35:10]  I go, Sam, I'm going to get breakfast for everybody.
[02:35:13]  Get breakfast.
[02:35:13]  I give him breakfast and everything.
[02:35:15]  And then I had to go and do some fucking, you know, check the monitor, whatever.
[02:35:19]  He didn't do it.
[02:35:20]  Bro.
[02:35:21]  He didn't do it.
[02:35:21]  The dude goes in my fucking trailer today and blows it up.
[02:35:25]  No.
[02:35:28]  No.
[02:35:28]  I came in there, bro.
[02:35:32]  Yo, I kicked him off set.
[02:35:36]  I banned him.
[02:35:37]  Too much Szechuan.
[02:35:38]  Yo, yo, he had a job.
[02:35:40]  I had him working in security.
[02:35:42]  He got fired that day, bro.
[02:35:44]  No way.
[02:35:44]  I said, yo, bro, you know, I only got one fucking rule.
[02:35:48]  That's it.
[02:35:49]  Don't use my fucking bathroom.
[02:35:54]  So, going back to China, right?
[02:35:56]  So, we said, okay, let's build a Western bathroom.
[02:36:00]  Yeah, that's a reasonable thing.
[02:36:01]  And we do.
[02:36:02]  So, we build it and we build with urinals.
[02:36:05]  And we built with toilets.
[02:36:06]  Great.
[02:36:06]  Right?
[02:36:07]  Of course, you know how a Western bathroom is.
[02:36:09]  You walk in the bathroom, what's first?
[02:36:11]  Urinals, then toilets.
[02:36:13]  Okay.
[02:36:14]  So, day six, seven, whatever, Rick Yoon, another actor, he's an Asian actor, he's in the film as well.
[02:36:23]  He plays Zing Yi.
[02:36:25]  He comes into the lunchroom.
[02:36:26]  I also had a separate lunchroom because in China, lunch is whatever you open it and whatever's in that motherfucker.
[02:36:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:36:33]  I had a catered lunch.
[02:36:34]  So, you're working with me, you got, you could choose 10 motherfucking things.
[02:36:37]  Yeah.
[02:36:38]  So Rick comes to lunch and he's just like, yo, bro, I'm disappointed, man.
[02:36:44]  So, what you mean?
[02:36:44]  You said, disappointed in my people, bro.
[02:36:48]  That's what you fucking talking about, bro.
[02:36:49]  We having a great time.
[02:36:50]  It's no, bro.
[02:36:51]  I just came from the bathroom, bro.
[02:36:54]  Yeah, Ed?
[02:36:55]  Yo, bro, somebody shitted in the urinal.
[02:37:04]  I don't believe him, bro.
[02:37:07]  I can't believe him.
[02:37:10]  I'm like, nah, I can't.
[02:37:14]  I'm like, nah.
[02:37:16]  I don't believe them.
[02:37:17]  Four days later, I go to the bathroom.
[02:37:22]  No, no, no, no.
[02:37:25]  Two of them shits, bro.
[02:37:30]  I'm like, what the fuck?
[02:37:31]  I don't get it.
[02:37:31]  I couldn't.
[02:37:32]  But I understood what happened.
[02:37:34]  They should have put the urinals secondly.
[02:37:37]  They got too excited at the urinals.
[02:37:39]  They thought it was a fancy toilet.
[02:37:42]  They're like, I don't even got to.
[02:37:47]  I'm not exaggerating this shit.
[02:37:49]  I'm not making it up, bro.
[02:37:51]  I just learned a lot about culture there.
[02:37:53]  All right, we need the bar now.

=== Too Excited At The Urinals (04:38) ===

[02:37:55]  We need the bar.
[02:37:55]  I need the bar.
[02:37:56]  Let's see what I got.
[02:37:58]  All right?
[02:37:58]  That'd be hard to do.
[02:38:00]  You got to arch up and shit.
[02:38:02]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:38:03]  I can imagine how scared they're.
[02:38:04]  So they start to flush, it doesn't go.
[02:38:05]  And they're like, uh oh.
[02:38:09]  Oh, dude.
[02:38:09]  So give me a.
[02:38:12]  What kind of bar you would like?
[02:38:13]  Oh, dude.
[02:38:14]  Yeah.
[02:38:14]  That's on.
[02:38:15]  You, you, you.
[02:38:16]  It's on you.
[02:38:16]  You're an architect, bro.
[02:38:18]  In a notes app, too, right?
[02:38:20]  I love it.
[02:38:21]  Yeah.
[02:38:21]  That's me.
[02:38:22]  Every day, still me.
[02:38:23]  You sit.
[02:38:23]  That's fire.
[02:38:25]  You heard his orchestra album?
[02:38:26]  You can do the whole album with the Denver Orchestra.
[02:38:28]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[02:38:29]  It's just a whole-on orchestral piece.
[02:38:33]  I gotta give you something good because I got a feeling that somebody's gonna see it, you know?
[02:38:41]  Okay, so this particular bar, right, was supposed to be.
[02:38:46]  So at the end of my movie, One Spoon of Chocolate, there's a song that comes on that my buddy Bacon produced and I rhymed on.
[02:38:56]  And he gave me this track a while ago.
[02:38:58]  And in the track, The hook says, maybe your God is something like my God.
[02:39:05]  Right?
[02:39:06]  It says, all the bullets and the guns we use to hide our lies.
[02:39:12]  You know what I mean?
[02:39:14]  It says, maybe your soul, I'm paraphrasing, maybe your soul is like my soul.
[02:39:20]  We all suffer in the past and nothing ever lasts forever.
[02:39:25]  Maybe we can pray together and see eye to eye that your God is.
[02:39:30]  And my God is the same God.
[02:39:34]  And then I wrote a verse for it, which we didn't use.
[02:39:36]  His name is Bacon?
[02:39:38]  Yeah.
[02:39:39]  It's going to get hard to Muslims and Jews to get on board with it.
[02:39:46]  Exactly.
[02:39:47]  I want some bacon.
[02:39:48]  Turkey bacon.
[02:39:49]  It's Turkey bacon.
[02:39:50]  Turkey bacon, yeah.
[02:39:51]  So, but who could split the atom into 10,000 pieces?
[02:39:55]  My thesis it can be achieved through telekinesis.
[02:39:58]  It was made from his image.
[02:40:01]  We could trace all ourselves to the same lineage.
[02:40:03]  We all have the same arm, leg, leg, arm, head, appendages.
[02:40:08]  We fought scores of wars with hordes of men carrying shields and swords, guns and missiles in the name of the Lord.
[02:40:15]  And they gave him a thousand names.
[02:40:18]  But the birds, the bees, the sea and the trees, the sun and the moon and the stars, they see him as the same genderless, creator of the Genesis without a nemesis.
[02:40:28]  The one with no beginning or ending, omnipotent.
[02:40:32]  But we separate ourselves on borders and believe the lies our forefathers taught us.
[02:40:38]  Even the Arabs were subjugating their women and burying their daughters, hiding the side of castles made of brick and mortar, then build cities that pollute the very air and water.
[02:40:49]  From the Spanish Inquisitions, the Crusade, Muslims against the Christians, Buddhists against the Taoists, Hindus and superstition, all prowess or power attacking the powerless.
[02:41:00]  Is this an act of war or an act of cowardice?
[02:41:04]  The inability to accept we are all showered by the same rays of the sun, days of the month.
[02:41:09]  We all start out smaller than a micro dot and grow from old to young.
[02:41:13]  We all walk with two legs and speak from one tongue.
[02:41:17]  I prefer to drop love while some prefer to drop bombs.
[02:41:20]  At the barbecue, my aunt and uncle used to argue about what God would do, what you should do, what they expect God to do, but doing for themselves was hard to do.
[02:41:32]  The solution could be if we just came together, but they didn't bother to.
[02:41:38]  We play together as kids.
[02:41:40]  On the military, we slay together.
[02:41:43]  Politically, we can hate together.
[02:41:46]  But won't we just get on our knees and simply pray together, stand together, face each other, and see eye to eye without shame and proclaim, maybe your God and my God are the same?
[02:41:58]  Ooh, that's right.
[02:42:02]  Theresa.
[02:42:03]  Bung, bung.
[02:42:04]  Yeah.
[02:42:05]  Good go, man.
[02:42:05]  This was an honor, bro.
[02:42:07]  Thank you so much, man.
[02:42:08]  I'm sorry to steal that one.
[02:42:09]  My bad.
[02:42:10]  Thank you so much, bro.
[02:42:11]  Thank you so much.
[02:42:12]  This is amazing.
[02:42:13]  Make sure you guys go check out the movie.
[02:42:15]  Yes, tickets on sales now.
[02:42:16]  Everyone, tickets on sales right now.
[02:42:18]  One spoon of chocolate.
[02:42:19]  Bung, bung.
[02:42:20]  Go check it out.
[02:42:20]  And you got more coming as well, right?
[02:42:21]  Yeah, I'm on a mission.
[02:42:23]  I love it.
[02:42:23]  I love it.
[02:42:24]  And when you have been on a mission in the past, it has been incredibly fruitful.
[02:42:27]  So we look forward to indulging in his fruit, my friend.
[02:42:30]  Thank you.
[02:42:30]  Thanks for inviting me.
[02:42:31]  My man, this is awesome.
[02:42:32]  Thank you.
[02:42:33]  Thank you.