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Miles vs Mark in the Tub00:14:42
Can I be honest?
If I had to choose who I would rather have in my place, no question, Miles ever mark.
Really?
Miles has such a good house.
Wow, 100%.
Miles would clean up after himself.
Miles would probably do dishes and shit.
He would feel very guilty about it and really overcompensate.
Mark would take this shit for granted.
He came in your tub and didn't even watch it.
That's the thing.
You don't want to go to take a shower after a weekend on the road and then step in another man's cum.
You're saying you don't want to walk into your shower, open up the shower curtains.
I thought that was really interesting.
Jerking off into the shower and not cleaning and then closing the curtains to like hide the evidence.
And then I opened the curtains and I splat, stepped my foot right into a pile of cum.
A pile of cum that hadn't congealed yet.
He kept that bathroom just warm enough.
He kept it just warm enough to move.
Yeah, the liquid form of cum.
And I stepped and I just broke it and splattered it.
Yeah, it's still warm.
I didn't know that you were standing outside the tub in like location, location, location into the tub, not in the tub.
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, I think I was laying down in the tub.
You had a toilet.
No, no, you can't go in the toilet.
That's crazy.
Laying down in the tub is a crazy thing.
That's a committee.
You were not laying down in the tub.
There's no laying down in the tub.
No, no, no.
So you're standing up in the shower.
You jerked off onto the floor and you thought it would drain in and then you forgot to do the water.
Yeah.
And then I went to take a shower and then I stepped on a sticky substance.
Mark you've peed substance.
You've peed in so many sinks.
How did you not think the sink was what are we talking about?
P here.
We're talking about a man's pump.
No, I'm just saying he's already cum on the bottom of my foot that I've never recovered from.
He might have peed in your head.
Can I be honest with you?
To this day, my right heel is far smoother than my left.
Something happened.
Something there is some sort of like lotion substance that hit my foot and I have a softer right heel because of that.
Don't even say you're welcome.
Don't even try to own it.
I'm just saying, you need to bottle that.
That's what I'm saying, right?
It's a fountain of youth.
Yeah.
Well, it kind of is.
Do you guys all want to be younger?
It is the fountain.
It literally is the fountain right there.
Beef tallow.
Literally.
Never have to exfoliate again.
You know it was crazy.
Well, what?
What is what's crazy?
What's crazy?
Miles was homeless and had a cleaning lady.
Yeah.
That is fucking crazy.
Fine.
Well, that is crazy.
I was homeless and none of you guys took me in.
What about that?
I took you in.
I let you stay in my apartment.
For a night, okay.
You can stay in there as long as you want.
You mean that?
Yeah, because you got really comfortable.
I feel like you thought it was your apartment.
You can come in things and I'll clean them up.
But where's going?
Did you not shower after?
No, I didn't.
It's him.
That is the craziest thing.
Isn't that the craziest thing that he jerked off and then didn't wash after?
Wait, did you wash every time?
It takes more work than not.
But you wash every time?
If I had foreskin, I would wash it.
Right?
You just pee and blow a bubble.
But you wash every time you stroke your shit?
Well, I usually stroke my shit in the shower.
Really?
While I'm showering.
Okay.
I don't go to the shower.
You got naked, got into a shower, stroked your shit, and didn't turn the water on and left.
Wait, wait, wait.
You keep the hood on.
Are you guys just getting this?
No, I thought you were.
I was just getting this.
I thought my mind showered.
It's a shower.
And then jerked off, but you're not going to get it.
You like the conditioner settle?
You really enjoy the time.
You know what I mean?
Five minutes, you're in.
You're out.
It's efficient.
Exactly.
You had a dry jerk, but in a shower.
That's what I said.
Laying down fully lights off.
Is insane.
And that's the jerk off that we know about.
There's no way that you only jerked off once that weekend.
Yeah, it might have been more times.
I don't know.
Yes, young young Mark.
You empty the cut.
This is how I know that he did it more than once.
Oh.
Because only if you did it several times would you forget about one.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
That's the only point.
You did it like five or six times.
You'd be like, oh, I got to make sure I clean up all my camera towels, my little tissues.
Oh, if I got it on his pillow, I got to flip the pillowcase or something like that.
And then you just forgot about it.
You know, he's fucking jerking off of my bed 100%.
100%.
If you flip it, it's like a new pillow.
For real.
See?
Call me that for going on the fucking carpet and hot testing.
Like that is impulsive back.
Because you don't even know who's going in there.
I know one person's going in there.
Yeah, that's fucked up.
I did to strange and just did it to your friend.
Yeah, exactly.
Isn't that crazy?
I don't think we've talked about this enough.
Like, it's just hitting me again.
Like, what happened to just drop a load?
You were in the most savage place in your life back then, and I don't think you fully processed how fucked up it was.
I know.
But you're not mad about Miles jerking off in the studio?
You know, it's interesting.
I, because we did find the loop here.
We all remember this story.
Yeah.
Right?
And, you know, obviously there's somebody here with an extraneous circumstance that they have to use lube.
Terminal, gay.
Wait, what are you talking about?
You're talking about Miles' terminal gay?
No, not that at all.
And I think they've fucked up.
David's terminal Gaynors?
No, none of them are terminally gay.
I mean, I guess you could make the argument that, like, if you're gay, you die.
Everyone's dying.
Everybody's dying.
So, heterosexual and homosexuality, both terminal illnesses.
That's a good point.
100%.
But yeah, there was some lube around here, and I thought that somebody was having sex in the studio.
I did think that was happening.
I thought you were doing it with that girl from Athens, the Greek girl from Athens.
I thought you were bringing her into the studio, and I thought you were doing unthinkable things.
Not Athens, Georgia.
I thought you meant that.
I was like, dude, I don't know what we're talking about.
I don't think I have any sex with a girl from Georgia.
There's black women there.
Miles, with what we know about you, you're going right to the source.
European whites.
Blonde blah.
Yeah, true.
That's true.
Okay.
No, I was having, I was not having sex in the studio.
But that would be smart.
It's homeless.
Fuck a waitress.
Now she brings free food.
God damn, that would have been.
I was doing a lot of way games at that time, just trying to sleep anywhere.
Why were you homeless here, though?
I don't understand.
It was between two apartments.
How long?
45 days.
Again?
No, I was.
That was at the time.
I was homeless for 45 days.
Twice?
The first time in Brooklyn, 45 days.
Second time here, how long?
We were overlapping the leases at this studio in the old studio.
So I was bouncing between them.
Oh, you were living large?
Living large.
Two places.
I feel mad.
You guys are not blaming African guy.
I'm not blaming you.
He has two hours.
Mark said, two places to stay.
He's got so many spots.
I say, hey, come over.
He goes, no, it's fine.
I got my own place.
I want to have women over all the time.
Philandering.
That's an outject.
There's dozens of women there.
You think that he would bring women back to your house to step in other guys' thumbs?
Do you hear how emasculating that is?
A girl goes to the bathroom to wash off.
Yeah.
How do you think I feel listening to this guy banging headboards all night?
I'm trying to sleep.
There's no headboards in this studio.
I don't even have a headboard at my own apartment.
That's how I know.
Headboard is overrated.
What do we think in this headboard thing?
Women make a lot of money.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, it's not.
What do you get out of a headboard?
It just doesn't look like you're a fucking OnlyFans girl.
Tell me.
Yeah, like if you just have a bed and nothing.
I just have a bed and nothing.
You might have another career we don't know about.
No, women forces get headboards.
That is true.
My wife didn't.
We don't have a headboard.
We have a nice bed module.
Yeah, they make it class up the joint.
That's like a thing.
I got it.
Okay.
Yeah, it looks objectively.
Things on the walls.
Yeah.
No art and no headboard.
I'm sort of, I'm drinking orange juice out of the carton, feeling real good about being a bachelor right now.
You all just got to stay in your place.
Yeah.
Can I be honest, does it bother you at all?
What?
You didn't let Miles stay and we tease you about it?
Yeah.
It bothers me that Miles is hurt.
That's my favorite answer.
That's my favorite answer.
Just like, it bothers me that he thinks something bad happened to me.
I didn't, nothing bad happens.
Miles says it's okay.
And it turns out I feel great for that.
Look, it's all very hazy.
Okay, it was a different time.
I was abusing a lot of substances.
I don't really remember everything.
All right.
I was going through a lot.
What were you abusing that?
A lot of coffee.
That's when I first started drinking coffee.
Yes, yes, yes.
Sugar.
There was a lot of water.
I was doing a lot of sugar.
COVID.
A lot of Jesus crackers or something.
Yes, exactly.
High off the Jesus or something.
It was a dark time in my life.
And I wasn't a good enough friend of mine.
Are there places that have better wafers than others?
Like, are certain churches known for a good wafer?
I don't think so.
I think they buy them in mass, huh?
Yeah.
Unintended.
That's fine.
Click at you.
But yeah, no, it's all standardized.
So there's just one wafer.
Nobody throws a little extra sugar.
What does it taste like?
Because we're not allowed to eat it, actually.
I have to.
That's true.
Yeah.
I got told I wasn't.
I went to church with a buddy, and I guess I didn't know if I was.
You didn't do communion?
I didn't know if I had communion.
But when you go up there, you have to do this.
If you're not Catholic, you're not allowed.
You're going to hell.
Even though you're at this church, I need you to know you're going to hell.
Even if you're Catholic, if you're not in a state of grace, if you committed a mortal sin, you haven't gone to confession, you can't take it.
Oh, so if you haven't confessed, you can't take the body.
It's a mortal sin.
You killed somebody?
You killed someone.
Had impure thoughts.
No, if you like acted on them, sex outside of marriage would be considered.
What about leaving your best friend homeless for 45 days?
I think the priest would look into it.
Yeah.
What kind of friend?
You know?
Oh, I heard a good bedboard.
What about when you poundtown, you never want to like.
I'm married.
Yeah.
I'm married.
Sometimes it.
I'm married.
My wife has been pregnant for the last four years.
And there's no grab onto a headbutt and go to Poundtown.
It's like, are you recovered yet?
Oh, you are?
Okay.
Let's get the doctor to put something else in there.
For the last five years of my life, I played no role in putting babies in my wife.
Yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
Isn't that crazy?
I mean, I don't even think I sent a text to the doctor like, yo, thanks for this family, bro.
Like, you got to shout out him to spec.
That's nice.
I know.
I didn't even use his real name.
I should have, right?
Like, I don't know.
I thought that maybe he wanted his privacy.
You know what?
If my kid goes up and shoots a school, you know what I mean?
It's all part of this.
It's on his contact.
That's exactly okay.
We hope that that didn't happen.
No, we hope that that bring guns to school.
It's not peaceful protests.
As long as you don't have school.
You can bring guns to school, exactly.
And the teachers should also have guns, but if you're protesting, you can't do it.
Would I make this up to you?
Can you stay in my house now?
No.
No, I'm so lucky.
No, because Nanita is now.
Yeah.
So you only need me when you need me, huh?
Desperately allergic to cats also.
So I can't do that.
Oh, yeah.
There was somebody.
We had a cat at the time.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Thank goodness he didn't stay.
I think Mark has thought about this.
No, no.
I think he's thought about this, and I think he feels fine with his decision.
I don't think it bothers him.
I've told you, if Mark wasn't religious, he would be a like sociopathic, super powerful, super rich, evil.
He'd be like Luthor.
Possible.
I'm already a piece of shit.
And I'm doing my best.
Why are you a piece of shit?
Well, his friends are homeless and he makes him sleep.
Exactly.
I mean, there's that for sure.
Spends a lot of time outside of the house instead of being a father.
There's that.
Damn, are we just banging on Mark today?
What the hell is going on?
We're friends.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's how it happens, dude.
They love you.
You just notice things over the day.
I'm not like, who's a great guy?
You know what I mean?
Collins is a great guy.
No, I'm shit.
He's a fantastic guy.
No one in the studio is a great guy.
He's got a gay podcast studio that he's expanding around the world.
Yeah.
That's for all the years of homophobia.
He's making up for the 90s.
He's a tone.
We got to give these gay people voices.
I was giving them wedgies.
They should be able to speak about it.
Yeah, you got to give a pod to like somebody you bullied in high school.
Ooh.
That would be funny.
Actually, I never bullied.
Really?
Yeah.
You ever accidentally bullied?
I tripped a kid one time and then I felt really bad about it.
Really?
Yeah.
But he was like running down the hallway and I was like, oh, this is going to be so good.
Oh, no.
And then he went flying.
Big backpack, too.
Backpack comes over the head.
Did you apologize?
I did.
That was really when the kids get the backpack with the wheels, are the parents not involved in that?
Are they not going like, dude, you're going to be fucking ripped apart in school?
Like, I think about that.
I only knew one dude with a backpack with wheels, and it was the tight end on the football team, 6'2 black guy.
Yeah, so you're not saying nothing.
You can just roll around the college campus.
That's kind of swaggy.
The backpack was fired, dude.
If you're some little white nerd and you got a backpack with wheels in it, it's like, yeah, you're going to go through hell.
Yeah.
And the parents should know.
They should be aware of it.
They're like, this is a bad decision for you socially.
Yeah, but when you're a kid and you want something, your parent, you just want to make your kid happy.
Also, weird kids oftentimes have kind of weird parents.
That's true.
That's true.
I didn't realize this until I went to my weird friend's house and I was like, oh, your parents are also kind of dorks.
And I was like, oh, this all makes sense.
What happened without saying names?
I mean, just like, he was just kind of like my dorky friend.
And I went over to his house and then his parents also was great here.
Miles is not a dork, dude.
Miles is never a dork.
But actually, that doesn't check out because his dad is super swaggy.
Miles also a huge dick.
Remember when everybody in the high school found out he was fucking mixed up.
He swing in the hammer, dude.
Yeah.
There you go.
Reason number 10 not to stay myself.
There's no room.
There's no room.
Also, God forbid he gets out the shower.
Oh my goodness.
It's really seen one.
Yeah.
He slips on seam and the thing flies out the chair.
She can't risk that.
She's like, they come that big?
Yeah, exactly.
You can't risk that.
That would be rough.
Do you ever have your girl talk about the size of your dick and then you look at her like, man, you ain't seen dicks before?
Your girls give you compliments and be like, boy, I got to keep her on brass this man.
She does not know what is out there.
She does not know.
It's like the Native Americans who've never seen a ship.
Big Dick Energy and Fear00:03:28
You know what I mean?
They're just staring off in the distance.
Like, is that a UFO?
Like, that does, like, isn't it?
Thank God.
Out of respect for men, I feel like I need to correct the record.
Okay.
I want to pull up a video and be like, nah, this is a piece.
I tell my wife it's AI.
I tell her it's AI.
I'm like, nah, man, you can't believe that.
That's Sora.
No way, that's a real dick.
That guy right there.
Oh, my God.
What would you even do with all that?
What would you even fucking do in all that?
Oh, that's smart.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
I would fucking hurt you.
Dick like that.
I might get you pregnant naturally.
They can be child dicks like that.
You don't even fucking mind.
What's wrong with you?
Like, the spur barely have to swim.
It's there.
They just got to jump over.
Remember when Jack and Titanic got onto the ship?
They did that little leap thing.
That's all you got to do.
Yeah.
It is dangerous.
It is dangerous.
We got to start that campaign.
Like, big pieces are dangerous.
Well, didn't the fucking, who was it?
The Greeks or the Romans did that?
Oh, yeah.
What was it?
Which one was it?
I thought it was the Greeks, but maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah.
We're like, they tried to do, they tried to gaslight women into thinking small dicks were more masculine.
Yep.
God, what a time that would have been for me.
But like, this is the beauty of propaganda.
Yeah.
Like, we forget that sometimes propaganda works for us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like when the government's on your side, when the king is a little dick and he's like, these big dick motherfuckers are hooligan.
They're like beasts.
You don't want them around.
Michelangelo's David.
Can we pull up David real quick?
Why?
Does he just have a regular one?
Yeah.
He got a little one.
He has a little one.
He's got big hands.
And they say it's because he's afraid and he's staring at Goliath, Goliath.
And that, like, it's a fear response.
Oh, his dick shriveled up.
No, hold on.
That's a fear response.
This is the supreme man.
All right.
This is where this is what men are supposed to look like.
His hands and feet are twice the size of the average man and his penises.
God, that'd be a horrible fate, dude.
Yeah.
My shit matches.
You know what I mean?
But if I had big hands, I'd be like this.
I feel, oh, I'd feel horrible.
I once asked the girl, do I have big dick energy?
She said, no, I said, thank God.
Woo!
That is a good ass point.
Big dick energy can backfire.
Little dick energy and then surprise is probably better.
Exactly.
Like the Asian with a regular dick probably gets the best reaction from the girl that they're hooking up with because they're going in.
Whereas like the black dude with a regular dick, it's a disappointment.
Yeah.
Like every when they see your shit is only like eight inches and three quarters of an inch.
Right.
They're like, that's it.
That's all I got.
It was all I got.
Disappointing.
That shit is wild.
That's all I got.
Yeah.
Stand at the base.
That's like a small mic.
Why your dick running daycares?
Tell your dick that's not the daycare pro.
Oh, man.
But this, this is the best thing.
Today I learned ancient Greeks preferred small penises as it was thought a man with a large penis was a barbarous half animal with no self-control, while a man with a small penis was smarter and closer to the wisdom of the gods.
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And that got the foreskin on it.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it's adding half.
Like a very groomed pubic hair.
He got edged up.
No skin.
Yeah, man.
Greeks, man, you tried it.
That should probably work for a few hundred years, too.
Probably.
Like big dick dudes were like tucking just out of sheer fear that someone would think they were part animals.
Yeah.
They were selling supplements.
Like, dude, this would make your shit shrink immediately.
Dude.
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Now let's get back to the show.
All right, let's do it.
Let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis.
ICE murdered an American citizen in cold blood, and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Like plain and simple.
Yeah.
I see the administration trying to spin it and it's fucking disgusting.
It's like they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage.
We're going to try to see what's really happening.
All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his First and Second Amendment rights, right?
He has a right to protest.
He has a right to carry a firearm.
He's a legal gun owner, right?
There's no question about this whatsoever.
And the administration immediately comes out and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened.
Yes.
And that is what they do, though.
But that is what they do.
And I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia.
And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened.
And you're not going to just lie to us, plain and simple, like that.
And yeah, it's just, I mean, to me, it's like you can have, first of all, I know we've had Trump on the podcast.
I know there's probably people like you guys are the last ones that I want to hear talk about this.
I don't think any of us are having this conversation to like curry any like goodwill or, you know, get people to like us or something like that.
This is something that is undeniably abhorrent and we should be called out.
Simple as that.
It's disgusting.
I get the frustration.
People are like, oh, but you guys were with them.
It's like, yeah, I get it.
100%.
I get it.
Again, if you never want to watch another thing again, because we have Trump that says totally fine, respect it.
I completely get it.
You're 100% allowed to be frustrated.
We made that decision knowing it was open to criticism.
All right.
There it is.
No knock on any criticism.
That being said, like moving forward, we don't just like stay silent when something has this.
Like if we do have a platform, there's people that we're talking to, you know, and we see something that is just so blatant.
There's no like partisan bullshit with this.
If you see it with your own eyes, you know exactly what happened.
And there's something disgusting that's happening, not only in Minneapolis.
I'm sure it's happening in other parts of the United States where it's ICE is under the guise of security, right?
Under the guise of safety, because that's what they're doing, right?
Is every time something horrific happens, they keep going, but look at the pedophiles we got.
Look at the murderers we've got.
Look at all the violent criminals we've got.
I looked at the numbers.
It's 5% of the people they deported are violent criminals.
Yes.
There's probably more pedophiles in the Oval Office.
If you bring up another fucking pedophile about deporting and you're not releasing the Epicene list, just shut the fuck up, all of you.
Yes.
I don't want to hear anything else about, oh, we got to deport the pedophiles.
They're right here.
They're right here.
They're a list of them and you're not exposing it.
And this is the thing that we've been asking for even before Trump was in office.
Anyway, point being is you see this act and then you see ICE and the way that ICE is operating, right?
with I mean, masked guys, no Gestapo-ish.
100%.
Like, I heard people bringing it up and like, sometimes people are trying to go like, oh, you're exaggerating.
No, no, no.
You have to understand.
It's like you have a government enforced militia with no accountability.
Poor training.
Inexperience, poor training.
Obviously, you saw from this circumstance, no effort to de-escalate, if anything, efforts to escalate the situation.
And yeah, it's just absolutely, it's absolutely disgusting.
And then when you see the administration defend it, you go, well, where will the accountability ever come from?
This is a government enforced agency and the government is backing them immediately without even reviewing the tapes saying that they did nothing wrong.
So you have guys that you don't know their names.
You don't know what they look like that the government is backing with impunity.
What do you think is going to happen?
More of this is going to happen.
Joey's from Minneapolis, obviously.
He was saying they have more ICE officials or whatever than they do law enforcement, like actual police officers in Minneapolis and St. Paul.
And apparently they have a quota of people and that's why they're in such a rush to arrest as many people as possible.
They're doing things that objectively, objectively, I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, objectively are unconstitutional.
So no matter which side of the aisle on, you would like to uphold the constitution a little bit, right?
Like you can't enter someone's home without a warrant and not some like federal administrative bullshit warrant that they're trying to like skirt around it.
You cannot enter someone's own without an actual warrant.
I think it's like the fourth.
Judicial, fourth, the judicial amendment, fourth or judicial amendment.
It's the fourth amendment.
Yeah, fourth amend amendment.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's like, and they're just entering homes.
Dude, I saw them arrest somebody for having an accent.
And the ICE agent that arrested him had an accent.
Did you see that video?
And the guy was like, you got an accent too.
Exactly.
And it was just like, you're seeing these, they're, I mean, obviously you've heard of the situation of them deporting legal residents.
Like we, at a certain point in time, and I think this is why there's zero support for this.
I think it's important to speak up because I've spoken to a lot of people who are seeing it and they think it's abhorrent and they go, I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about it.
I don't know if they feel like exposure to Trump or whatever like that.
I think those are the moments where you got to speak up, especially because you see how Trump moves.
It's like, hey, you speak up, you're up.
All right, then you're out.
Who gives a fuck?
And that's the problem.
Everybody in his administration wants to be there.
Well, then I'm not even talking about people in the administration.
I'm just talking about regular people that were sympathetic to some of the immigration reform that Trump was talking about and then are realizing, no, this is not what they wanted at all.
And now they're just kind of quiet because they're worried about like getting licks or getting public lashings or criticism on the internet.
Get it.
Get it.
And anybody who wants to criticize us for platforming, 100%.
That is fair.
100%.
But that doesn't mean you just stay quiet.
Like if you see something that you look at and you're like, I don't think this is America that I want to live in, and which is the sentiment of everybody right now.
There are a few like ideologues in the internet that are trying to defend this.
I'm sure you guys have seen it.
But I think the majority of Americans are looking at this and they're going, this is not a country that we believe that we are.
And we can't continue to support stuff like this.
And I think it's important to talk about it.
So I'm just going to give you pushback.
I don't think the criticism that we're getting for having Trump on is fair because one, we've had people from both sides of the aisle on.
And it's like, we've never been a podcast that's like, hey, you should listen and do what we say or tell you to do.
We're just curious guys who wanted to have a conversation with the guy running for office, running for presidency.
We wanted to have Kamala on as well.
So it's like that criticism, I don't think it's fair.
They're just because we had him on and now they're like, oh, everything bad he's doing, we're attributing that to you just because you had him on.
And I don't think that's fair at all.
Because that's not what you wanted.
If he came in here and said like, oh, hey, we're going to forcefully remove all of these illegal immigrants the way that they're doing it.
We wouldn't be for that.
A lot of pushbacks.
I mean, we specifically push back.
I specifically told him, I was like, dude, you hired illegals.
I was taken care of by illegals.
Like, let's have a pathway decision.
Let's have some empathy.
And he's like, we're going after the criminals.
And maybe I naively believe that he would do that.
But it's very clear, like, just by the numbers, that that's not what's happening.
Yeah.
And they're using this bullshit of like, we want to make sure you guys are safe and secure.
How is this more safe?
Tell me how this is more safe.
I don't feel any safer walking in any downtown of any city I perform in.
It doesn't feel any safer.
Yeah.
It's also, it bugs me when there's like a false dichotomy where people are like, yeah, dude, but you can't just let like the borders be completely open.
So this has to happen.
It's like, well, there was a time when people were coming in illegally and then they were deported humanely.
And that I think there is a way to do both.
Right.
Like Obama deported people that was done with civility and like keeping human integrity intact.
Whereas this seems like it's intentionally cruel.
Yeah.
And intentionally chaotic.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know if someone comes in illegally and like, you know, they get caught and then they get deported.
It's like, I think most people are like, yeah, you know, kind of, you know, GG's.
And they were aware of that risk when they came illegally.
Right.
And again, I don't want it to happen.
I wouldn't want it to happen to my friends.
Like, I think 100% ICE is doing is awful.
But again, it's the cruelty and like that cruelty is a feature of the system.
And it seems to be rewarded by the administration.
Right, exactly.
And at bare minimum, defended.
Yeah.
With zero reflection or accountability.
I was shocked that they each echoed the exact same sentiment.
Not a single one of them was like, hey, we have to look at the footage.
Immediate knee-jerk reaction.
It was like a group text went out, like, hey, show strength.
That is exactly what happened.
Yeah.
Group signal text went out.
Yeah.
Guarantee you.
And that's the most concerning thing to me because we can see in like the line of duty, like shit happens, right?
Like, I don't think the ICE officers are going out, how can we shoot an American citizen today?
Right.
I mean, yeah, I think they're going to intimidate people, but like as far as like killing goes, I don't know.
But as far as like the recourse that happens after an event like this, you would hope that there's going to be some type of fair third-party investigation and holding people accountable.
Yeah, the Trump, the grossest part of the Trump issue.
I think that's what you want to happen.
That's what you want to happen.
The gross part of it has seen his first administration.
He doesn't like being held accountable for anything.
And I don't think it's any different.
The part that got me in a statement was immediately deflecting to Ilhan Omar and how she has so much money, which is a thing.
But like someone is dead, and then within two sentences, you're trying to deflect onto Ilhan Omar being crooked with money, which I do.
I think she probably is.
Look into that too.
Yeah, this ain't the fucking time in the same statement.
But just as you want accountability for her, if that is fucked up or if it is crooked, then we want accountability for this.
Yeah.
And accountability for her is not accountability for this.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fucked up, man.
It's just horrendous.
And by all accounts, he seemed like a good guy.
Like, he's literally like a gun owner.
He's a like a, like, as far as like the American sort of like stereotype goes, like, he's working with veterans, a legal gun owner, protesting, doing all the right things.
Probably voted for Trump if we just look at the facts.
Yeah.
This guy's supporting veterans.
He, again, legal gun owner, which in and of itself, usually that's a single issue thing.
So it's like, you got no sympathy for one of your own?
I guess regardless.
I'm not taking away your second amendment, man.
Yo, you saw him say that.
I think one of them said, I forget who is like, why would you take a gun to a protest?
Yep.
Yeah.
And I've seen this all over the internet, but people are like, where was the same energy with Kyle Rittenhouse?
Yeah.
No problem when he took a fucking AK to the protest.
Yep.
So, which I think is an incredibly fair argument.
Yeah.
It's even talking to like my conservative friends, it's like, imagine in the future, which this probably wouldn't happen because I just don't see it being a like a feature of the Democrat Party.
But like, imagine two cycles from now, you have a Democratic president that's like, hey, we want to make sure every gun owner in America has the right paperwork, all the right registration for the rest.
Instead of going after illegals, they're going after gun owners.
But you just want to make sure everyone has the right paperwork.
That's all.
They're stopping you in the street.
They're like, you look like a gun owner.
And they're sending mass people around to people's houses that have guns.
They're like, hey, we just want to make sure you have all your weapons.
Is that cool?
Like, it would be pandemonium.
Like, everyone would be like, why are you doing this?
And I'd be curious.
I don't want to push back against that, too.
I don't want to live in a country where you just have like massed agents going around, like, checking people and around people.
But because it's happening to brown people, people voted for it.
Like, he said he was going to do this.
Not in the manner that they're doing it, but he did say, Hey, I plan to deport as much people as possible.
I think that I think the argument would be like deporting people that are not legally here in a humane or kind way would be much more digestible than this horrific shit that we're seeing.
And not saying that those people that are deported couldn't then get legal status at another time.
Me personally, I would rather a pathway to citizenship.
But if somebody goes, hey, we need a strong border and we should have laws.
And if you enter the country illegally, you should be removed and then try to re-enter legally.
If somebody said that, I wouldn't go, you're crazy.
Yeah.
And Frida Zakaria, who is a liberal who I think is awesome, came on here and said, yeah, the Democrats gave asylum to too many people.
It was just like a very easy excuse to get, and we just let everybody get asylum.
We shouldn't have done that.
So again, I don't think what was going on before was good, but what is going on now is so undeniably bad.
And I don't know if you remember, like five years ago, we were talking about police reform during COVID.
And I was like, if this was happening to white people, it would get a much different response.
And I think Black Lives Matter should highlight the times when there is like police abuse or whatever toward a white person, a U.S. citizen.
And I think that's part of why you're seeing so much outrage.
And I think that's the one silver lining of this thing is you're seeing abuse to U.S. citizens, white dudes.
And it does, it hits people differently when they look like you.
That's just what it is.
If the guy looks like, you're not a bad person for feeling this way.
When you see yourself reflected in a guy that's a victim that's getting brutalized, it hits you differently.
And that's the one like kind of silver lining of this very dark cloud is like, oh, now you're seeing it happen to everybody.
It happens to everybody.
And now maybe we should do something.
I mean, like, couldn't you just think about it?
Like, if your face was shown on all those videos that are out there, if your name tag was present, if your badge number was there, wouldn't you act differently?
Yep.
And if it wasn't, you know, if you were a completely anonymous human being, you would also act differently.
And we have to accept that given these circumstances and given the support, and I would even say like the push of the administration to behave in a certain way, you're just going to get more of this if you don't change it.
Like this doesn't stop today.
If they don't change it drastically, we'll just have more and more of this.
Plain and simple.
And it's probably safer for federal agents, right?
Like if they have their body cam and they're accountable to the law, they're going to operate in a way that's going to not get them caught up in shit like this.
So I'm like, I feel like it's just better for everyone if you are operating within the law.
I mean, I feel like that's kind of dumb that you even have to say it.
No, say it.
I just think it's important to say.
I think it's important for us to say.
And it's like, yeah, I just say, yeah.
How do we get the current administration to stop conducting themselves in the manner that they're doing it right now?
Well, I think that protest is the way to do it.
I think you're already seeing them start to back off from it.
Like Trump's saying Trump's going to fire, maybe he might fire fucking, I mean, he'll be, he'll.
I think Bovino already got swapped first.
So Bovino got swapped.
Homan's going in.
Maybe he fires Noam or something.
Somebody's going to have to take the fall for it.
And I think that he said he's like, I had a great call with Waltz, the guy he called retarded for the last three months.
He does, I had a great call with Waltz, and it looks like we're on the same page.
But this is the example and the power of respectful protests.
Another thing you do is vote and like contest.
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That's the other thing.
Midterms are coming up.
They're going to get absolutely washed in the midterms.
Even try to defend this or continue to defend this and continue these raids.
They're going to get at, they were already going to get smoked, and it's going to be a fucking bloodbath if this continues.
It's not popular.
Have you met one person, like an actual human being, not some like ideologue on the internet, like an actual human being that goes, Yes, this is exactly what I wanted.
I haven't, but we're also in a fairly liberal place.
Yeah, I don't have too many conservative friends.
I mean, I reached out to like my people that are conservative, like ideologues, but also just like random, you know, like dads that live in Florida and shit.
And even they were like, Yeah, this is not a good thing.
Like, this is not what I want.
Will the bad sentiment last 10 more months?
Midterms are in 10 months.
The thing is, though, I feel like they already know the midterms are lost.
And that, I mean, this is like now conspiracy land, but I'm like, is this a push to be like, hey, this whole country's in disarray, martial law, we got to cancel the midterms.
It's corrupt.
Oh, my gosh.
Like, I know this is crazy, but I'm like, I think that would get met with crazy uproar.
Yeah, but anyway, he could do it.
This is also going to cause a shutdown, probably.
There's like a over-the-ice funding.
Yeah, there's an ice funding bill that's going to be pushed through in the next like 10 to 15 days, depending on snow and a few other things.
And this will probably cause a shutdown.
So like that will dramatically affect how this administration navigates that.
You know, it's really unfortunate because like Trump has this unbelievable ability to take a bipartisan supported issue and make it into a culture war.
Like he's unique in his ability to take something that everybody supports and then make it divide everybody right down the middle.
This one isn't even divided down the middle.
I feel like most rational people are like, this is fucked up.
This got to stop.
This is not the America we want to live in.
But like if he literally just came out and did exactly what he was saying on the pod with us, which was we're going to deport the criminals, I don't know a single American that would push back on that.
I'm sure there would be people, but if they're like, we're going to go deport, we have, they're arrested, they are in jail currently, they're awaiting trial.
There are people that have committed crimes and they're still illegal, but they're back on the streets.
If he just sent those people back, do you think that there would be culture war about this?
Do you think there would be mass protests?
I don't think so.
But like you said, there's only 5% of the people that's been deported.
So then his numbers would look low and it will look like not a job.
Is that why they're just deporting everybody just so the numbers look good for him?
Yes.
Why Minnesota?
Why is he going to Minnesota?
Is there something I'm saying?
He's everywhere.
Yeah, he's not going to go to the first place.
But I think Minnesota specifically just had the most confrontations.
Okay.
Yeah.
But a lot of that's my interpretation, at least.
So a lot of blue states.
That, okay.
That's what I was wondering.
Yeah.
No, I wouldn't, I would probably make the argument that the blue states are more often like sanctuary cities where they're looking out to protect the illegal immigrants that are there.
I mean, I think there's a lot of illegal immigrants in Arizona.
Yeah, but I don't think Texas.
I don't think the state will protect them as much.
I think the state would probably cooperate to get them the fuck up out of there.
Whereas in Minneapolis, I think the state is a little bit more empathetic to them and they're like, no, we don't want you to just do these fucking searches and we don't want you to, we're not going to have law enforcement go support you on these raids.
And I think that's where there's going to be some.
Okay, maybe not the state will push back, but I think the people, I think the people, when you start taking people that they have connections with, like, hey, you may be the home attendant or you may be whatever.
Like, I have a relationship with you.
And now you're just grabbing this person that's loved and worked with all this time.
That's what you got to think about more.
Like, it's like, you got to think about the restaurant that you're going to and the guy that works there.
You got to think about your gym and the guy that you see working.
They're like, you got to think about each one of those people that's being taken away, not the violent criminals.
Get them the fuck up out of here.
But the people that are just being asked in the street, hey, you have an accent, where are your papers?
When you start imagining those people as these people you interface with on your regular everyday life, it just becomes like just horrendous.
Yeah, it's fucked up.
Yeah.
It's fucked up.
It's fucked up.
Yeah.
And I don't have any like real faith in anything they do being out of any kind of goodwill anymore.
I was willing to have that in before the election because I felt like liberals had kind of fucked things up and then they're running Kamala that nobody really supports and they just foisted her on us and XYZ, but that got used up pretty quickly.
And now I don't really think anything they're doing is with any good intention.
That's like out the window for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you think that they react to?
Like, what do you think the way to get them to change course on this?
The NRA is apparently pretty upset.
And I think the NRA send them a lot of money.
And then that's going to make them react.
They haven't donated that much in recent times.
So they're not as, they don't have as big of a voice as they used to have.
So then what does Trump react to?
Like what is what is, does he react to the stock market?
Does he react to GDP?
Like what are the what are the metrics that can be used to make the administration bend to the whim of the people?
I think stock market and popularity.
Yeah, I think if his own people stop buying the BS, then he's like, oh, now I know.
You should find another hustle.
Like you said, his own people are being quiet.
They might not agree with what's going on, but they're not talking about it.
I've seen some like dudes who are like, yo, I was at January 6th and this is fucked up.
I'm not standing for this.
I'm speaking out.
The fact you know people actually, I don't know them.
I'm on fucking, I'm on social media.
I've seen.
He didn't say I know.
I go to one government protest.
No, but like, you know, I've seen these people on.
You kept in touch and Instagram.
And I'm like, good for you.
Like, that's fire because you're standing up for your principles.
You're standing up for what you think is right or wrong.
Like, we might disagree on so many other fucking things, but that's the thing.
It's like, I don't need to agree with you on everything, but I need to agree with you on basic right and wrong.
This is wrong.
There's no way to justify this shit.
And I understand that there's like a lot.
I understand when these kind of things happen, you know, most people just retreat to a side, right?
Because there's security in the side.
Some things are so fucking blatant.
It's just right or wrong.
The side is right or wrong.
It doesn't matter you're left or the right.
The side is right or wrong.
Nobody's watching this and be like, this is right.
This is the America I want to live in.
Unloading a clip in a U.S. citizen is wrong.
For exercising his constitutional rights.
Yeah.
Like, don't bring up any bullshit.
I think fucking even Kash Patel said something like, why would you bring a gun to a protest, right?
Was it him that actually said it?
He said that.
Exactly.
It's like, are they not even thinking before they're tweeting these things?
No.
They're just following the company line.
But the company line would say you should be able to bring your legal firearm where the fuck you want in America.
So it's like they're not even, they're scrambling to defend something that's indefensible to the point where they're willing to rebuke their own constituents.
Exactly.
They're willing to insult their own constituents.
Like, how dare you live a constitutional life?
How dare you exercise your constitutional rights?
You should just do whatever the fuck we tell you to do.
Yes.
And that's why I wonder when his base is going to open up and see that.
This is the play that they've been playing since.
Yeah.
Yes.
It is a, it's like, it's, it's an interesting thing because I think that we have like an all-time low expectation of government.
And like we have an all-time low expectation of faith or trust in government, you know, like government officials enriching themselves on both sides of the aisle.
Right.
So it's like, it's almost like it's horrible when we see, you know, Trump's family make hundreds of millions of dollars on fucking meme coins.
It's horrible when you see Pelosi do it.
It's horrible with the Nepo baby shit.
Like it's horrible, but for whatever reason, we're almost like desensitized to it because we're so used to it happening.
Right.
This feels distinct.
This feels different.
This feels like something I haven't seen in my lifetime in America.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, this isn't like run of the mill political corruption and cronyism.
And to me, this doesn't feel different.
Like during the BLM stuff, like I feel like cops were killing people and immediately they were trying to turn the person who died into the aggressor and like make them the reason why that situation happened.
Like Philando Castillo.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, like before an investigation happened, it was like, oh, wait, he sold drugs back in the day or he's a user or a gang member or something like that.
That's a fair point.
So this is not new.
That's a fair point.
This guy was white, Alex.
That's very new.
He's not seen like serious shit, bro.
I've seen some like folks in Minneapolis.
Like I've seen them.
I've seen like some liberal folks in Minneapolis say that they were buying guns and they wanted to make sure they could defend themselves against tyranny, et cetera.
And it's like, again, I grew up in New York.
We weren't allowed to have guns.
I don't have any kind of like infatuation with guns.
But what?
No, no, no.
You finish your point in then.
But like, in a weird way, does this highlight, I can't even believe I'm saying it, but like the importance of an armed republic.
And you know what's crazy?
Because of what just happened, I'm second-guessing whether or not I should get the gun that I'm currently applying for.
Because you're worried that if you had a gun in an altercation like this, it would put yourself up.
Literally, he was just doing the right thing, coming to this woman's defense.
Yeah, I know.
That was the crazy thing.
The ICE officer, I don't even know if anybody's talking about like throws the woman over.
Pepper sprays her.
Like he's just trying to protect her.
No.
There's no way you do that.
What's that?
The only pushback on that, and I've just been reading online, like sort of things about this.
Yeah, because I was reading what I wrote just a second ago under my burner account.
But some people, some conciliatory people are saying that he should not involve himself in an escalating thing while armed.
Go fuck yourself.
So that's so that's the argument that we were saying.
It's like, okay, what would we say to our children?
We would say that.
We would like, hey, don't involve yourself in a conflict like that if you are armed.
You're raising the stakes.
What would we say to any of our friends?
Comply with law enforcement.
That's what we would say to anybody that we care about, we love because we want to see them come home at night.
That's what we would say.
But there is a higher expectation that we have for law enforcement.
Of course.
And the reality is, is that a lot of these ICE dudes, these aren't like lifers working for ICE.
A lot of them have like six weeks of training.
So they're undermanned, undertrained, and zero accountability for their actions and no identity to reflect upon.
You know, it's like.
And we would tell people, hey, don't get involved, but I know myself, if I saw a wrong happening, I'm going to shit and you ended up in prison this week.
I saw something wrong that had to step in.
Yeah, I did that shit and I ended up in prison too.
We're not a black man in an establishment.
Next time we're in Ghana, I'll do it again.
But yeah, so it's.
Yeah, he did the noble thing.
He did the heroic thing.
That's what you hope your son does in general.
But even though the selfish party's like, no, just come home.
But if your son did that and survived, you'd be so fucking blind.
Yeah, like a mother's medical background.
Who better to be around?
You know what I mean?
Than someone that actually has a medical training to assist.
That's what I was like.
I was really thinking.
I was like, holy shit, because I know once I have it, I'm going to have it on me.
Always.
So I'm like, fuck, that could be me.
Yeah.
I mean, that is something to consider, though.
No, I'm still getting it, though.
Obviously, still get it, but it is something that is always concerning.
I can imagine.
Like you're carrying a firearm, things can escalate to death very quickly.
Yeah.
I think people say that.
They're like, if you own or carry a firearm, the likelihood of you dying by gun goes up.
Oh, yeah.
Like a significant percentage.
I think a lot of that might be suicide.
So I don't know if that like skews the data a bit, but yeah, it's just horrific.
And you want to know some crazy shit?
Have you, you know, you know, like, and this is not to get conspiratorial, but it's pretty like blatant.
So like the U.S. just takes over a TikTok, right?
Like Larry Ellison and like a few other people bought it.
Yeah.
There's been all these people that are like political commentators on TikTok and Instagram that like I follow.
Some have been very critical of me and us, whatever, but I still follow because I want to know what's going on.
All of their political stuff is being throttled to zero views.
If you talk about ICE or anything political, if you're even talking about the weather, zero views.
You could talk about other bullshit.
So, and again, I'm not making some like, China's the best argument, but like we talked about.
We are China too.
Like we were concerned with China controlling TikTok because it was like they could control the algorithm, what we can or can't see.
And it's like the second America gets it, there's no videos about ICE, no videos about the shooting, no videos about political pushback and this, right?
And now it's probably advantageous for China if those videos proliferate TikTok, right?
Because it's going to cause more unrest in America, et cetera.
But it's crazy the second that we get control of it, it just so happens to be a data outage at a data center.
Wow.
It just so happens.
Yeah.
Wow.
It just so happens the biggest political controversy of the year right now in the United States of America.
The biggest social media platform in the world just isn't working.
Yeah.
Wow.
And people's views throttled to zero.
They don't even know how to throttle it right.
You throttle it to like 100,000 views.
They throw that shit to zero.
That's like Russia.
That is like state-sanctioned censorship.
I don't think they care how it looks.
I don't think they care about optics.
Well, you saw the CBS 60 Minutes thing.
They're like, what were we going to do for?
Did you see this?
Yeah.
Robbie sent me this tweet.
They're like, what are we going to do for 60 minutes this weekend?
This is this past Sunday, right?
This is this past Sunday.
They're like, we're going to do a movie night.
Now, again, maybe they had this booked weeks in advance and they have to do it according to scheduling.
They didn't have a story set up.
Like, I'm sure there are other arguments you can make, but it looks incredibly tone deaf.
Tone deaf and coordinated.
Who's the network that fired Stephen Colbert?
Who's the network that Larry Ellison also owns?
Yeah.
Right?
So it's just like they're going to, I bet you, CVS is going to tank and probably they're going to kill TikTok because now you saw that new terms and agreement, whatever.
No, what does it say?
Like now they can like track your geolocation.
They can get so much more information from you.
And like people are deleting TikTok now.
And I'll be honest with you, I don't think people care anymore about that privacy shit.
I think that was popping for like a few years where people are like, I'm going to put a sticker over the camera on my computer.
Now they're like, watch me.
Like I'm going to stream 24-7.
I don't give a fuck.
It's maybe it popped up on my algorithm, but it seemed like I don't think people, I think he's saying people won't stick to it.
Yeah, there's a handful of people that won't, but I think at the end of the day, people are going to gravitate towards attention.
Dokamine addiction wins.
Yeah.
Also, somebody else, my boy Matt McCoy pointed this out.
If you have clear, do you guys have clear?
Yeah.
They got your full fucking retina scan.
That's a private company.
Yeah.
They can do whatever they want with that.
It's like crazy.
It's nothing I'm going to give you that you don't already got.
You got my entire retinal scan.
Fingerprints, retina.
It's all you.
You can do whatever you want.
If it saves me five minutes of getting on the planet, hey, you want my commute, my DNA.
What you are.
Apps Tracking Your Every Move00:02:23
Yeah.
I mean, Facebook kind of proved like the privacy shit.
No one really cares about it if it's convenient enough.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, like that was years ago.
That if it's like, this shit's popping, like, yeah, take it.
Yeah.
The only thing that will matter is, is the TikTok experience still fun?
And if it's not, then it's a problem.
But I wonder if it's so throttled right now that people just start to, I don't know what they'll weigh.
Will they weigh distraction over information?
Will people be like, all right, I'll just watch like stupid cat memes.
I don't care.
I'll just watch housewives clips.
I'll just do this dumb distraction.
Unfortunately, most likely.
They will.
So then, yeah.
I support that.
Apparently, that privacy thing is less egregious than possibly thought about.
These are things that were already fact-checking for us.
No, that's a nice fact.
I can sense the trepidation in you sharing this information.
I understand it's not coming from you, Miles.
You're just sharing like this on the internet.
So please.
It's a little less egregious, apparently.
It's that the data is being stored now locally in California, and there are laws in California that tell you that your data is being tracked.
So it's just a disclose more.
It's a disclosure.
Got it.
So they were just doing it already.
Apparently, so.
I don't.
I mean, of course, they're all tracking it.
Dude, have you ever got like a nonsense app, like an app that like just opens a door to your gym and then immediately asks, would you like this app to track your other apps on your phone?
I'm like, what the fuck are you?
You just opened the door to the gym.
Why do you need to track my other apps?
So every app on your phone is getting information from every other app on your phone and every place that you go.
And Palantir has it.
They got it.
It is what it is.
We live in a police state.
It's fun.
You know, it's fine what Palantir is.
I feel like I'm missing out on selling data because I feel like that's a new hustle, like just get people data.
And everybody that signs up for my podcast studios, it's like, I have all that data.
Why can't we just sell you our data individually?
Guys, if you need information, I'll give you my shit.
People know where the gays are.
We have neighborhoods.
We don't need to find it.
We don't need to find it out for them.
I got the loud ones that like to talk in front of bikes.
They have all in Manhattan below 168th Street.
God damn it.
Living in a Police State00:04:59
So, yeah.
So what do we do?
What do we, what do we do moving forward?
Look, here's the thing.
And like, obviously the internet is going to frame certain things certain ways, and that's completely fine.
And people are digesting information in 60-second clips, et cetera.
And that allows people to frame situations in a certain way, people in a certain way, 100%.
I don't expect everybody who watches clips of us on the internet to watch every single interview we do.
Like, I'm sure there's definitely people who saw us interview Trump that never saw us interview Bernie, Buddha Judge, or the handful of other Democrats that we've had on the pod.
I get that, and that's totally fine.
And that's the world we live in when we decide to put stuff out on the internet.
Give us credit for getting Zoron elected.
Yo, we get no credit.
We're getting big Zoe.
We fixed the bump on the Williamsburg bridge.
That's us.
I want that credit.
No, but so like I understand that that is, that is just the cost of putting stuff out there on the internet.
And the internet is so siloed that you're only going to get the specific things.
I get that.
And there's, it might be frustrating, but it's no like complaints.
But I think the, I think the important thing that we're doing is like not retreating to the security of a side.
And I think that's what a lot of people end up doing in these types of situations is they just go, oh, there's a lot of criticism out here for having this take.
And, you know, despite having Trump on the pod or something like that, I'm just going to avoid the conversation entirely or I'm going to retreat to the Trump side.
And it's just like, I don't know, I don't think that's anything that we've done.
I don't think it's anything we will continue to do.
I think from the day he's been in office, we've been holding him accountable and bringing on voices here that are incredibly critical of him and giving them a platform to speak on those criticisms.
Yeah.
Politics is just messy, dog.
It is.
I don't know.
I love it.
I mean, it's fun to talk about, but my issue with like having politicians, like, they just got a lot.
Yeah, I like real housewives.
I like politics is real housewives for men.
Yeah, but say your point.
This is a good point.
But just like having politicians like on any show, they kind of have to bend the truth.
They sort of are required to lie, right?
Like they have private donors that are giving them hundreds of millions of dollars in order to lie.
So I'm like, you ask them an honest question.
And they're like, yeah, whatever.
They're also genius level manipulators.
I can't think of a politician we didn't like.
And we didn't walk away being like, I like that guy.
Trump.
Just be silent.
You didn't find his, I'm being serious.
You didn't find himself remotely charmed by him.
I just thought he was a lot more savvy than I thought he was.
That's what I like.
So he was savvier in his ability to charm, but you still looked at it through the lens of he's putting something on.
He's just trying to win.
I think to Akasha's point, it's like, yeah, you sit down with these people, like, you know, sitting down with a Buddha judge.
You're like, wow, this guy's so fucking smart and he's thoughtful.
And he like meets you where you are emotionally.
And, you know, Bernie's just coming in.
He's just like a wrecking ball of like old school New York charm.
And you just want to fucking hang out with him at, you know, play chess in a park or some shit.
Like Bernie Charming and how little he gave a fuck if we liked him or not.
Yeah.
I found that very nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I try not to be like too black pilled about this shit because I just get like, I don't know.
Like, I don't, I don't, I don't.
Sorry, what's black pill?
It's just like so honestly, nothing matters.
Nothing matters.
Nothing matters.
They're all liars.
They're all pieces of shit.
The world is going to go to shit.
Why are we worried about it?
Which is the easiest way to go through life.
That's how I, that's, that's my inclination.
Have you seen everything everywhere all at once or whatever?
You know, the dark donut or the dark bagel hole or whatever.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think that's what okay.
I think that's a metaphor for it.
It's like, yes, life is, or life could be meaningless.
We could choose to subscribe to this thing that we're thrown into the world and eventually we die.
So what's the point in caring?
What's the point of trying?
And what's the point in trying to have a positive perspective on the world?
And that is the easiest route that leads you to the most misery.
And like the dad in the movie makes this choice to be fucking happy despite every reason to not.
And that is the harder thing to do.
And he's a fighter.
And if you notice, in like the, I don't know, not dream sequences, but the alternative realities, like he's an amazing fighter, right?
Because like that is the fight.
Sometimes just being happy in the presence of misery is an amazing fucking fight.
I don't know.
That's how I looked at it.
And I was like, oh shit, he is the bravest fucking character.
I think the daughter realizes it.
His wife realized it too.
She thought he was just like a little bitch the whole time.
And she's like, no, that's the strongest motherfucker here right now.
It's to not fall victim to this shit and to push through and to try to find some joy, try to find some happiness and try to find some positive perspective.
So I try to hedge that with like optimism where like I like Zoron.
I'm optimistic, but I'm also like, I just, I don't know.
Like, I just, I want it to work out.
And so I just choose to believe that it'll kind of work out.
But I don't know.
I get cynical in moments like this.
I'm like, dude, I feel that way.
Yeah, I feel that way about Zoron.
I've always felt that way about Bernie, and it fucking drove me crazy when they robbed him twice.
And I even think there's, you know, things that Trump says are seductive.
I'm going to end the wars.
It's like, I would like those wars to be ended.
That'd be fucking awesome.
Finding Joy Amidst Chaos00:02:54
Now here we go.
Are we going to fucking start another war with Iran?
You know what I mean?
Like when he says, we're going to cap credit card debt at 10%.
When he says we're going to stop institutional banks or whatever from buying up all the single-family homes, I go, that would be fucking, that would be awesome.
And if he's able to do that shit, I'll give him credit for it.
I'm not going to sit here and not call out a strike when it's a fucking strike.
But this is fucking heinous.
I think he was starting another war within the U.S. Exactly.
And then you got to call that out too.
You know, it's, and you're going to get the licks and we're going to get the licks.
And that's totally fine.
That is what it is.
Again, we're not, yeah.
But yeah, but if he throws too many balls, then the strikes don't matter, in my opinion.
That's an interesting perspective.
All right, guys.
Let's take a little break.
I'm going to change topics.
We're going to talk about some sports in a second.
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Now, let's get into some sports.
All right, we're back.
I saw Joey Avery, shout out Joey Avery, have an interesting take.
He's like, he goes, I wonder, I might butcher this because I wonder if the powers that be choose to create the most political division around big sporting events because they know that there will be convenient distractions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's funny.
Right?
Like, if you are going to do some wild shit and you know for a fact that in a week or two, everybody's going to be focused on this big game.
Yeah.
And then the week before it, all the media attention is going to be about the preparation for this big game.
Like, will it squash the momentum of that very divisive conversation?
Interesting.
I thought it was the Epstein followed all this time.
That is the other key.
Yeah.
Where are them at?
Yeah, yeah.
Conveniently not talking about.
We're on like the fifth level of distraction.
Yeah.
We have the distraction of the distraction.
Yeah.
We're the new distraction.
Speaking of which, dude, Seattle and New England, right?
We're back.
Everything's fine.
Football's on TV.
Football's on TV.
The Patriots are back in the Super Bowl.
They have given us a phenomenal playoffs.
Yes, the playoffs are so good.
Forget everything.
Can you break that down?
I know nothing about either team.
Both games were good.
I felt bad.
It was Denver and New England.
Denver was the number one seed, and New England only beat them 10 to 7, but Denver lost their starting quarterback at the end of the game before.
So they had a guy who had started like four games in his entire career coming in.
And at first, he was playing well.
But then with an inexperienced quarterback, what you do is you just blitz them.
Once you get really experienced, you love when they blitz you, which is like you see your four linemen and they send other people.
And when you're really experienced, you're like, oh, if you're sending people, it's like double teams in basketball.
And that means let me get it out on how to break the defense down.
But once they started blitzing him, he got flustered.
He fucked up.
He made a couple mistakes, and that's the only reason New England won.
They're a good team, but I didn't realize how good Denver was until I saw them just dominate New England's offense.
New England is a good team.
They got a great coach.
That guy, Mike Vrabel, who was a Patriots player, came back, and it's like the fucking chosen one, basically.
Oh, that's cool.
They went from, I think, 4-13 last year to 14-3 this year.
Wow.
Insane turnaround.
Dan, he's the only real change they made.
They got Stefan Diggs a good receiver, but like, it's him.
And then they're playing Seattle, who I didn't think would win because their quarterback, everybody kind of thought choked in big moments.
He was like highly touted out of college.
And his first game, I saw him in college is a big game.
He played really well.
But he said, this kind of fucked his career for years.
He was not playing well, and he was playing the Patriots.
And they caught him on a hot mic.
He was playing horribly.
And he goes, I'm seeing ghosts out there, which is like the worst thing you can get caught saying if you're a quarterback.
It's like, oh, God, this guy's mentally fucked.
I thought they say that when there's a white corner.
Go along.
Yeah, well, now then you're cooking.
Then you're wide open.
What do they call it?
Milk check?
Yeah.
You heard that term?
No.
And when a white guy's guarding you in basketball or football, they're like, milk check.
Rage.
Wow.
There's a couple good white corners now.
I mean, in history, there's been a couple.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.
Yeah, it's like Cooper DeJohn.
Cooper DeJohn.
I think Jason Seahorn had like a year.
Yo, he had a year.
He was nasty.
Then he had a bad knee injury.
I think he just had a white knee.
Yes.
He gave everything that one year.
And then his knees are like, come on, guys.
We got milk check.
We play safety.
That's what they do, the white corners.
Yeah, just stay in the middle and tell people what to do.
Yeah, that is true.
But then this guy, Darnold, played, and then everybody thought he would kind of shrink in big moments.
He had a couple bad games last year in big moments.
This year, the Rams pass defense is not good, but he played his ass off in the championship game.
So I don't know if he continues.
If he plays like that against New England, they have a historically great defense.
Seattle does.
New England is good, but historically great defense.
Young quarterback who's really good.
He's going to get better, but you can still kind of fuck with him.
Probably he's in like his second year.
So I think I think Seattle would win.
Rams Defense and Big Moments00:08:48
I don't know.
What are the odds?
Seattle 68% and New England 33%.
So right now, Calci is at Seattle, 68%.
If Sam Darnold plays well, I think it's locked in.
And they beat the shit out of San Francisco the week before, and he didn't even have to play that well.
But San Francisco is very beat up.
So I don't know.
I think New England is a really good team.
I think I would pick Seattle, but it really is all going to depend on how this quarterback plays out.
Who do I support?
Because on the one hand, New England is like a legacy team.
Everyone loves them, yada, yada.
But also their fans are annoying.
They had enough.
But they're also the underdog.
Yeah, they had enough.
They never, yeah, I don't think the Patriots are ever the underdog in a Super Bowl.
They're like the latest.
They're leading underdog.
You had a lot of success, and then you had like five, four bad years, and now you get it back in the Super Bowl.
Now you got a great quarterback again and a great coach again.
Y'all could wait one more year.
Wait, but your hunch is that Seattle's going to win?
I think Seattle's going to win, which means you're going to win.
All the way, go pass.
All the way.
Yeah, I probably will.
Yeah, I'm going to drop some money on New England just because he thinks Seattle is going to win.
I got my camera equipment back, so if you'd like to pawn it to get money, let me know.
You got everything back?
I got everything back.
Wow.
I was honestly most concerned about it.
I mean, obviously the camera equipment sucked, but all my drives, all my shows, all my sets, I'm trying to build the hour.
That's the thing I was fucking freaking out about, but I got it all back.
Pawning a hard drive is, that is a dedication to gambling.
Yeah, right.
Because how much do you get for a hard drive?
Like $100.
Not even, right?
A nice hard drive.
Yeah, nice hard drives are expensive.
Really?
Yeah, we had a lot of shit on it.
And a pawn guy understands that?
How do they have so much knowledge?
Right?
Like the pawn guys, you have to give it up to them to like know how much everything is.
They're like antiques road shows, but for new shit.
But even old shit, like whatever you watch the night's ever heard of the internet before.
Son, but before the internet, I'm saying like you would go with a revolutionary like war hero ring and be like, how much is this worth?
30 grand.
That's it.
Yeah, yeah.
No, okay.
You never missed out on some shit, to be honest with you.
You never did the price is right showcase showdown?
Is that what it's called?
Remember that game where you're like, why didn't the pawn shop owner just go on there and dominate every prince, right?
Yeah.
Because you just know, oh, that jet ski is obviously 8K.
Bang.
And he gets a jet ski out of here.
8K, I'll give you three.
Yeah.
Yeah, what do you get for the pawn?
Do you get the value of the good?
Or is it 50% of the value?
Is it 80%?
Like, what?
No, it's usually a small, small fraction.
Really?
You never see Pawn Stars?
People who go there are desperate.
I love cash.
I love Pawn Stars.
But the idea is what?
You're getting a fraction of it and you're going to eventually...
So you're essentially getting like a loan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And instead of the interest, it's just a low value.
Right.
Right.
So, like, you have this $10,000 item.
Here's $1,000.
And then if you never, if you come collect it, all right, fine.
And if you don't, then I just resell it.
Pawn stars is fire, bro.
I used to watch that show.
I would see little Eps or whatever, but it was fire.
Yeah.
Some guy fucking pawned a bunch of camera equipment in the stage.
He seemed like he was stressed.
He seemed like he was really in a bad spot.
And they looked at it.
They're like, this hard drive is $100.
And they're like, yeah, and it has comedy on it.
They're like, I'll give you five.
He's going through a hard time.
But like, if you're the pawn, if you're the pawn guy.
I didn't say anything.
Yeah.
You think the pawn shop is what he's stressed about?
But if you're the pawn guy, like, are you judging the desperation and giving a number based on that?
I think so.
Oh, probably.
Yeah.
So you're looking for like marks on his arm.
Yeah.
You're smelling his breath for alcohol.
Like, you're seeing how desperate they are.
And then you're giving out money based on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No one's ever given someone a good deal behind a bulletproof glass window.
If you're going into negotiation with a guy with three inches of plexiglass in front of him, you're probably going to get rinsed.
Yeah.
Odds are.
Is that ethical?
What the pawn shop?
Or is it predatory?
Yeah.
To own the pawn shop?
Yeah, probably predatory.
But not unethical.
I mean, what is ethics, right?
Yeah.
Oh, God.
Have a fucking opinion.
I hate when you do that.
You ask the question.
It's the formulated morals of the world.
That's a no question.
We live in a society where it's legal, so yeah, it's ethical.
Oh, God.
I personally wouldn't want to do it.
Thank you.
But you asked me if it's ethical.
If you asked me if I would do it, then no.
But if you got to ask the question of something's ethical, then you already know.
I would hope that you say yes so I could open one.
That's really all I wanted.
Nah.
You didn't give me that.
You don't want that.
No.
You don't want to be in the pawn shop.
I would never go to an Indian pawn shop, them cheap motherfuckers.
You ain't getting nothing.
Yeah, exactly.
You're trying to give him your wife and they give you $5.
You pay me a dowry.
You get your camera equipment back, smells like curry.
You know what?
Come on, dude.
You didn't like that?
No, come on.
No, come on.
I need to be more specific.
All right.
It smells like turmeric.
It smells like turmeric.
Turmeric is better.
It's a little better.
Turmeric is better.
I like it.
I like it.
Give me a punch.
Come on.
You get your camera equipment.
It smells like a bunch of people.
That's what I was thinking.
Honestly.
Honestly.
It's about girls.
I'm going to be a cultural specimen.
I want to be the one to say it, but that's what my thought was.
That was better?
That was where I thought it should go.
Just a humorous standpoint.
You know what I mean?
If we're only talking humor.
That was just lazy racism.
That was the only one I have.
That's why racism works.
Yeah, dude.
This is educated, informed.
Nuance.
Nuance racism.
Yeah.
I appreciate that.
Absolutely.
Pawn shops had good bikes when I was a kid.
I'd get my shit stolen all the time.
And then I'd go.
And then buy your bike back.
I'll buy another bike.
You're buying someone else's stolen bike back.
Exactly.
How does the pawn shop handle that?
Like, how do they make sure it's yours?
And then once it's pawned to them, do they own it?
Yeah, you have X amount of time to buy it back from them.
No, no, no.
So I steal something.
I go to the pawn shop.
I pawn it.
How do they make sure that it's mine to pawn?
No, that's what pawn shops are for.
They're not chilling.
So it's all stolen shit.
So like green.
So what are the legal ramifications right there?
Because there's none.
The cops aren't going to go, yo, this is a stolen good, so we're going to take this back and the pawn shop loses money.
And they say, prove it.
Yeah.
Like, no, they told me if I called the cops, this is why I didn't.
They said the cops would confiscate the equipment.
Yeah, but you don't have to show proof that you bought it, go through all that rigmarole and all that shit.
Nobody wants to do that.
I'm amazed you got through rigmarole.
Yeah.
I'm so proud of you.
Can we just let it go?
In my head, the next word is going to be.
But I'm proud of you.
Yo, you're a bully.
Yeah, you're a man.
You're a bully.
He's a bully, man.
He said a multi-syllabic word.
He got through it.
Just let him get his double in, man.
I'm not trying to come.
I'm trying to give love where I could give love.
You got here dressed like a YN right now with a fucking higher head is fire, right?
Yep.
I know.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Nah, that was good.
No, he pulled a grenade on me, so I got to get him back.
Also, I got my Christmas gifts finally shipped up from Florida.
Do you know what this is?
Let me see it.
Oh, no, you don't want to touch this.
Tuning fork?
This is a jaw harp.
Yeah, the mouth banjo, dude.
I literally saw it on it.
Sounds like the Australian outfit.
Yo, white people, bro.
I swear to God.
How sick is that, right?
Y'all need more fun.
What?
This is my Christmas gift.
This is what I got from my secret sand.
Why did you get this?
Oh, then that's an awesome gift then.
I feel bad.
I've shitted all one of your family's gifts.
No, it's secretive.
They don't know who it is.
Have you fucked up yet and hit your teeth?
Yeah.
Oh, that shit'll rattle your head.
Miles do know about this?
Yeah, mouth banjo.
The white delicious.
It's an all-time mouthbanch.
It's called a mouse harp.
I've never heard of a mouth banjo.
It's called a Jews harp.
What do you call it?
The other name for it is a Jews harp.
I wasn't going to bring that up.
Some people call it a Jew harp.
I personally.
Is this because it's a gift that's from a cheap motherfucker?
I personally don't use that verbiage, okay?
But why is it called a Jew harp?
I actually don't know.
I think it's supposed to be jaw harp, and then people kind of like twin.
Jaw harp.
No, that's not.
Nah, it's not funny enough.
I gotta go through it.
Can you get the etymology on that?
In the meantime, this is a little ditty.
Jew harp.
Here we go.
It's from it's uncertain if it's connected to Jewish people or Judaism at all.
The old English word, the Guga.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
The jujempre.
The ju harp.
It's French, dude.
This is like European.
This is a European instrument.
Now, are you actually doing anything with your mouth?
Free Soloing and Jaw Harps00:15:12
Yes, bro.
My mouth is doing insane tricks.
Look.
Oh, okay.
Come on, dude.
Does it make another sound besides that one?
Yeah.
That was sound as mildly.
Do you want an A?
Can you play something?
What's up?
You want to play something?
Yeah, like something that sounds like a song.
Okay, I mean, all right.
There we go.
You got a tackle foot, and your boy's got a spoon.
He's playing screams on his leg.
Okay, maybe with the spoons, those little things almost.
I'm just practicing.
My lessons, I haven't started my lessons yet, but once I get my lessons, then it's going to be over for y'all.
So it goes from that, and then you guys have to climb buildings.
That's like.
Yeah, let's talk about that.
Let's talk about Alex Honel.
That shit was crazy.
We were debating the Alex Honold's climb outside.
Okay.
Because someone in the studio, I won't say who.
Hold on, can we stop before and just say one thing?
Uh-oh.
Have you ever seen a sporting event that was more anxiety-inducing for a longer period of time than this climb?
You can say the World Cup.
So you sit in anxiety.
That World Cup final.
We all watched it.
It was terrifying the entire time.
Wow.
I feel that with boxing matches sometimes, but at least you get a little bit of a break.
This shit was well for you specifically.
Pacifically.
Because you hate heights.
Huge fear of heights.
Yeah.
But we were talking about it out there and someone said that this was selfish to do.
Why?
What?
He has kids.
He's doing this and Wally has children.
Yeah.
It's part of the conversation.
I don't think it's selfish.
But he's also, this is how he feeds them.
That's what I'm saying.
He's a high-risk job.
Also, I don't even know if this is risky.
He made this shit look wild easy.
Nah, that is risky.
It's so hard to watch it.
Bro, you got to get some clips of this.
It's risky for me to do this.
This shit is stupid, bro.
This shit is so fucking stupid.
Why is this a little selfish?
It's like, just why?
Why do you think it's selfish, Miles?
Because I don't want to watch you die if you fall.
Bro, he's so safe.
But then don't watch.
Well, we are watching to see if he dies.
Yes.
Well, I couldn't watch it.
I had to wait till he did it to watch on Twitter.
Oh, really?
You made sure he made it.
I can't watch that shit.
See, that makes sense.
You got to see when he climbs up like these little dragon portions.
You see those like silver things that are extending out past the building?
So the thing about this is like there's nothing that he can grab his hand on and like hook behind.
So all the grabs he's doing, he's holding it like brick.
Fucking crazy.
Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
Yeah, just standing up there is insane.
Yeah, I think you need to see him go up.
I think they're called like the dragons or whatever it was.
Also, like there are people working in the office.
How is like there's one crazy person.
It's all it takes to do a jump scare.
Yeah.
And he slips for one second, he falls and he dies.
Yeah.
And he does have a wife and two kids.
And I get the idea that it's selfish.
Like there are certain things I would not do now that I have a wife and kids, but I also don't do these things for a living.
Like this is what he does to provide for his family.
He's really different.
He's literally winning.
He's going to end up there is probably crazy.
Crazy.
No, it's not.
But weren't you saying that he's missing a part of his brain?
Yes.
I think he's a Mydilla.
Then it's not that crazy.
So you think the only thing that's crazy about it is the fear factor.
And once you eliminate the fear factor, it's just climbing like you're at the park.
He's just a retard.
That would explain the strength.
That would explain the strength.
He's a decent place.
Look at this.
Look at this.
I mean, that's.
This is actually the worst angle for it.
This is right now.
He's extended off the side of it.
Al, I want to be with you and make this like, oh, I'm not going to be able to do it.
But this is awesome.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Wow.
So there was an hour and 20 minutes of this straight.
Wow.
You watched it for me.
Son, I watched the whole thing.
My wife tried to watch something else on the TV.
I had it on my phone watching the entire time.
I wish we can put a whole lot.
I just want to know the race of people watching.
I don't know if I'll be able to watch this.
I don't think it's a single black hat.
Nah, this is fire.
I think it'd be more fun to watch with black people.
Yeah.
It's like magic.
But it's too long.
It's too long.
Yo, when are you going to fall already?
But the entire time you're thinking, man, this guy could die in front of the entire world and his family live on Netflix the entire time.
It's crazy.
The smile is crazy.
Some motherfucking doing this.
I'm willing to bet this was easier than most of his climbs.
Most of his climbs out in the wild are way harder than this.
El Capitan is way harder, like by 10 times.
El Capitan, that's the...
That's the one he did on free solo.
It's like the most difficult.
But yeah, I really are just watching.
Like, I don't know if you're hoping that he falls, but it's part of it.
You're not hoping that he falls, but you know that that is those are the steps.
But it's like NASCAR.
It's like you don't hope they crash, but it's like, hey, if we get a crash, it's exciting.
No, I want to see him defy.
I think it's a little bit of that in y'all.
I want to see him defy death.
That's the stakes.
Like, you are sports because you're like, yo, someone's going to lose.
Someone's dream is to win a Super Bowl and they're going to lose.
Now, this is a physical feat that defies death.
And that's a pretty fucking cool thing.
And it's hard.
It's not like.
Again, this is easier than what he normally does.
Fine, but this is fucking hard and scary.
And this guy just beats it.
Yeah.
That's cool.
He's built different.
I won't hear y'all.
But this shit is fucked up.
That is greatness.
I'm not even bullshitting.
That is greatness.
No, he's missing a part of his brain that makes him afraid to, like, if there's no fear, then he's just climbing.
I honestly think even if you didn't have that part of your amygdala, you couldn't.
And with your grip strength, you couldn't do this.
No, no.
You got grip strength.
I wouldn't ever attempt to do this kind of thing.
But if that part of your brain was missing, you still, the physical feat is still impressive.
No, I can do that.
Easy.
Easy.
You know, it requires leg strength, right?
Son, I dropped a few pounds.
I can lift my body.
That's no, there's no legs here.
It's all arm strength.
I got that.
He said an interesting thing.
I was watching him talk about climbing and he said that he goes, climbing is closest to going on the stair master.
And I go, what?
And he goes, most things that you scale, most rocks, like if you're at like a climbing wall that's indoors somewhere, what they do is the walls often like extend out at a negative angle.
So you're kind of like, yeah.
He goes, but most of these, these walls that we scale, these mountains that we climb, have a slight decline.
And you don't see it when you're watching the videos, but like essentially you're using your hands to make sure you're staying on the wall, but you're pushing yourself up with your feet and you're kind of like leaning into the wall.
And I think that's missed in the way that they captured on video.
The way they capture it on video looks like it's flat, right?
And you're like, how the hell is he holding on with something that's two centimeters?
He's kind of like leaning into it.
Not to take anything away from him.
It's absolutely terrifying.
And then there's strategy.
You got to figure out, okay, if I move my leg here.
Wait, what?
Did he eat midway?
No.
I thought I saw something.
I think he might.
There's been, I think when in Free Solo, he's like...
He has a little bite.
Yeah.
He's like grabbing like a little trail mix snack.
He's having a great time.
Literally the whole time he's having a, what were you going to say, though?
Strategy.
Oh, yeah.
Like, if you put, like, again, I don't know shit about climbing, but like, if you put your one leg up, all of a sudden now you're like, okay, I got to get my other leg over to this other hold.
So you got to like jimmy around in order to strategize the whole climb to know where to put your body.
He must have visualized this climb a thousand times.
Yeah.
Every step.
I think he did it prior with a harness.
So he knows the route that he's going to go.
But like there's also things that you don't consider.
Like the building is dirty and greasy, he said.
And it rains like a few days before, so they couldn't do it.
So they were going to do it live a few days before it rained.
So naturally, you're not going to be able to do it.
And he goes, yeah, but the building is dirty and greasy.
And it's really interesting.
So he has this chalk in his back, right?
But it's so windy.
You see the chalk flying out of his bag throughout the climb.
Wow.
So there's a part of you going like, is he going to run out of it?
He's going to run out of chalk.
And the shit is so greasy.
Like there's parts where he's climbing up and he's using his feet to wedge, but they're not wedged on anything.
He's just kind of like pushing against like a flat glass.
And as he's pulling himself up, his feet are sliding down.
Fuck that one.
No, no, it's crazy.
Dude, like I was looking at some of the climbing stuff.
That's awesome, dude.
I wouldn't do it.
Look, there's a moment.
There's a moment right here.
I think you'll see it in a second if we keep going where he does like a, it's called like a bat hang or something like that.
Watch.
Both hands off.
What the hell?
You'll see him sort of shake them out.
Yeah.
He's flexing.
At that point, he's just doing like an emote or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just sick.
This is what it's all about, dude.
Watching humans do awesome shit.
Yep.
Right?
You can do awesome face.
This guy's adorable.
Can you, though?
Yes, you can.
I think we need to stay.
Y'all need stuff.
That's the difference.
We're not doing this.
What's the awesome thing that doesn't have steak?
And the steaks might not be physical.
They could be like emotional.
You know, it could be like public speaking is obviously terrifying for most people.
So they see that.
They're like, oh my God, that's so unnerving.
I would never want to do it.
So what's the thing that you see with no steak that you're still like, this is fucking awesome?
Fuck, I'll need some time to think about it.
He likes in IG videos.
What are the IG videos you like?
The cooking ones?
Cooking.
I likes cooking IG videos.
So like cooking is so and look, I love food, but it's so mundane.
All the cooking shows got to time it.
Right?
Like they're like, you got to do this in under 30 minutes.
And it's like, no, you don't.
You cook it in as much time as it takes to cook, but there's no steaks.
So they're like, it's got to be.
You only got five ingredients.
You got to make something.
You got to create steaks for shit.
Right.
Because I think humans react to steaks.
It's like we love boxing or MMA because we know it's the highest stakes.
You can fucking die in there.
You never watch the Humans Are Awesome compilations on YouTube?
You never seen this?
Oh, dude, it's the greatest.
What are you saying?
This is, they go viral every year, but it's just white dudes doing white bullshit.
And the whole title is just humans are awesome.
And it's guys just jumping off clips, like cliffs and squirrel suits and shit.
See, white people doing white people shit.
I mean, there are some versions of that.
Like you saw the one, we probably even watched it on the on the pod where like where the guy is in the squirrel suit and oh, and he flies through the rock.
Crazy.
That was crazy.
That doesn't get you fired up that you don't.
Hell yeah.
Now that one I go, that's that's too.
That one it looked cool at it because it looks fun.
But also, it's like, if you only pay attention for when they do these life-risking stuff, now we're encouraging them to do the life-risking stuff.
We got a population.
Bro, he was bad.
He designed trying to impress you, motherfucker.
He does this alone.
He's been climbing for years by himself.
Let me tell you something.
This is how difficult it is.
He's starting to get it paid now.
Exactly.
He's making money, but this is how hard it is to have two kids.
That is his just time away.
You know what I mean?
Like, he goes, it's so funny because everybody without kids kept going, like, he has a wife and kids.
Why is he doing it?
And like, once you have kids, you're like, nah.
And if I get it, you want a few minutes just by yourself.
When he's on the top and no one can talk to him, also, he's capping throughout the whole thing.
He's going through it with the new boy, right?
Throughout the whole thing, he goes, yeah, I think my headset's broken.
I can't really hear you guys.
All right.
Yeah, I pulled that.
He can hear y'all.
I've done that.
You know what I mean?
He just needs some time by himself so he can enjoy this beautiful climb.
Yeah, this guy's a hoss, dude.
You've heard of Pro-Life Spider-Man?
No, what about that?
Oh, yeah.
Pro-Life Spider-Man is a kid who's in his early 20s.
He's like a very sweet-looking kid, and he free solos buildings all over the world and in New York City.
He did some crazy ones here without the fanfare of like Netflix.
And he films himself the whole time, like repeating, I think, Bible verses and also talking about the fact that abortion is bad.
And then he always gets arrested at the top and then hopes that the news will cover it and ask for his statement.
And the statement is that abortion.
Abortion is bad.
There's another guy named Alain Robert.
Alan Robert, yeah.
Alan Robert.
French Spider-Man.
French Spider-Man.
And he's, he's just, he looks like he's 100 years old.
No bullshit.
And he's been doing this since like the 70s.
Forever.
He climbs buildings.
Like, that's his thing.
No ropes, free solo.
I don't even think they have a spectacle around.
Oh, so this guy ain't even doing nothing new.
Fuck what we tuned in for.
The thing that's new, the thing that's interesting is that it is live streamed.
Yeah.
Yeah, we've never seen that.
This guy don't even want to see him die on the spot.
Why do we watch people go in circles in NASCAR?
That's what I'm saying.
That's how you prove my white people.
Y'all love this shit.
All right, so what's to potentially see somebody die?
So what is the, I mean, the joke is obviously like, it's so dangerous being black that this is not what you guys do for fun.
Like this, I've heard versions of this job where it's like white people, it's so safe that we got to find death for fun.
Yeah.
But like, what is the thing that you, you're like, okay, I got to try that shit.
I don't try anything that I can die now.
I used to back in the day.
Like, what?
What would be skydiving, bungee jumping?
Skydiving, bungee jumping.
How so, you get it?
Yeah, but that's when I started hanging out with y'all.
You didn't skydive until you're hanging out with me?
No, I did it once before, but it was with a white dude.
There you go.
Yeah, I don't think there's that many skydiving instructors that aren't white.
No, I mean, the guy I went with, like, it was a group of us, and I was one black guy.
Yo, if you saw a black skydive instructor, what would you, what would your interaction be?
He's just as qualified, all right?
I would say more qualified.
You probably jumped on the plane.
Yo, that is, that is interesting.
Like, not as he is qualified, but like, if you saw him, would you, would you be like, what brought you here?
Like, would you have a moment where you would pull him aside and be like, how did you end up in this case?
I would just think he grew up in the burbs.
That's it.
You're like, you grew up with white people and you don't know how crazy this is.
And what if he's like, nah, bro, I'm from the hood.
Like, I just love skydiving.
It was this or drug dealing.
That's how you got out.
Fuck, sling some rocks, bro.
Nah, bro, climb some rocks.
That's what it's all about.
I'm telling you, there's another dude.
Oh, what's his name?
I can't remember his name.
Caveman something, but he's a black dude that goes and like interacts with the wild animals.
And like he goes and finds anacondas in the Amazon.
Not real Tarzan?
Maybe.
Maybe.
I can't remember.
Remember Brother Nature?
What happened to that kid?
Yeah, I remember him.
With the deer.
Canela.
The deer than Canela.
Adorable.
What happened?
I missed something.
I don't know.
If you guys want to watch another great thing that sort of feels like this, Man on Wire is a great doc from like late 2000s.
Yeah.
Where a French guy, I think, put a wire across the Twin Towers and walked it and like laid down and did some wild shit.
Yeah.
Wow.
You ever seen the Alpinist documentary?
That shit is insane.
Yeah, that one's wild.
If you like Free Solo, you got to check that one out.
Insane.
The Alpinist, I think he's French Canadian.
That shit is insane.
He would do free solo ice climbing.
Whoa.
And which is like the most dangerous climbing.
I don't want to spoil it, but he dies.
Really?
Stuck Upside Down in Caves00:05:57
There you go.
That's crazy.
But he doesn't do it for the doc.
What's his name?
Mark Andre Leclerc.
Leclerc.
He was a Canadian rock climber.
Yeah.
That's sad, yeah.
That would have been so cool if he lived.
But he did live for a while.
And then he died doing what he loved.
He died.
All right.
Here's the one that I, where I start to, where what you're saying resonates.
Okay, ready?
I think it's called Sperlunking.
Oh, yeah.
What's that?
Yeah, this is crazy.
I don't like this.
Exploring caves.
Oh, Schultz, have you seen the nutty putty instant?
Son, I'm too claustrophobic for this.
That terrifies me.
Son, sometimes looking at that.
They're going into these cave systems.
I don't understand what they get out of it.
I don't understand why they do it.
I have no understanding whatsoever what compels them to go.
Look, it's not like, oh my God, here's this beautiful view.
Like maybe at the end, you get to some cave where there's this underground, beautiful site, and you get to see just boogers hanging from the ceiling.
To me, there's nothing exciting or beautiful.
When you're at the top of that fucking building or top of the mountain, you're looking the entire world as far as the horizon can see.
I get that.
That is appealing at least.
You go to the top of the World Trade Center, or you go to Top Empire State Building, you look out, you're like, whoa, this is an amazing view.
So I at least get that a little bit.
This shit right here, I don't understand why they do it.
And sometimes they're going in these cave systems.
Look at that.
Sometimes they don't know where the cave systems go.
What the fuck is happening?
They got to take off the helmet to get through and they can't get out.
And sometimes they just die there.
Sometimes they got to hold their breath to go under the water to come up the other side.
There's some wild shit.
Yeah.
Sometimes they just get stuck and it rains and now they're stuck in the cave and they drown in the cave because they didn't expect the rain.
Yeah.
So when all them little kids went missing, they were slunking.
They were slunking and it rained and it flooded the cave system.
Yeah.
This is like wild.
This shit is way like how you feel about him climbing is how I feel about him.
I don't like this.
I can't even look at it, dude.
It makes me uncomfortable.
There's one called the Nutty Putty Cave Incident.
It's a really sad story.
It's really you'll watch these videos where they describe what happened and there's like uh there's no video of it.
It's just diagrams.
It makes my chest yeah the nutty putty one is tragic.
Tragic.
It stresses me.
Well bring it up guys.
There's no video.
It's only an analysis and then a diagram.
There's a guy named John Jones and he is in the nutty putty cave.
I think it's in Utah.
He's going deeper and deeper thinking that he's going to like find either a way out or a place to turn around.
He ends up getting so deep in there.
He's sort of lodged upside down.
There's the image right there.
And his other buddy, he goes, dude, I'm stuck.
I can't get out.
His legs, they have to like, he's so stuck.
So his buddy crawls back out and then goes to get help.
And it takes hours to get help.
And the people come in and he's been stuck upside down the whole time.
And they start to try to figure out how to get him out there.
They have rescuers.
They put this crazy pulley system.
And they're like, dude, we might have to break his legs the wrong way to pull him out.
All of this awful, awful stuff.
And the video will explain it way better.
They finally get it attached to his legs, if I'm not mistaken.
And they start to get a little bit of movement with them.
And it's like it's a wire attached to a thing, attached to a thing attached to a single thing.
It's still alive.
It's alive right now.
Still alive.
And he's on comms, so he can talk to them.
Yeah, they get a walkie-talkie down there to him so he can talk.
They start to, they start to get him out.
They start to get him out.
And all the things break from the holds they were in.
And he falls back deeper into it.
Nope.
They get him a phone and they drop the phone down there.
And he like slowly falls in and out of consciousness, tells his wife he loves him, and he dies.
And they seal the cave.
But why did he die from what?
His head's upside down, cold, exposure.
He's down there for like 24, 48 hours.
He's freezing.
It's like camera raised.
Can't breathe slowly.
Like the blood is filling up in your head and lungs.
Oh, yeah.
That shit is crazy.
Sorry to bring the mood down, but I watched that video and straight up, like, that is sweaty palms.
Yuck.
Yeah, I don't support that activity at all.
We should make that illegal immediately.
What is the benefit of that?
And I guess you're so tight, you can't even like move your arms to when you're falling back down, stop.
Yeah.
Because you're stuck like this.
Yeah.
And you can't even move your foot.
Because I was like, well, I need to stop himself.
But you can't.
Yeah.
Because you're like this.
Trapped.
Why didn't you back in?
If you don't know where that, like, where it's going to end, if there's even an end, why didn't you back in?
Because I guess you need to see where you're going.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, this one stresses me out.
I hate this.
But how is this?
The guy's climbing the side of a building.
There's only two things that got to happen.
He makes to the top or dies.
And this stresses you out.
Both stress me out.
That one is stressed me out, but it's not as crazy, though.
My biggest fear is being buried alive.
It's like my greatest fear in the world.
Really?
Yeah.
And how does that manifest itself?
It's not like my actual fear, but like if you think about what's the worst way to die, claustrophobia.
Yeah, I'm claustrophobia.
That scene in Kill Bill is like, I'd just die.
I would just give up.
Yeah.
When you watch the Mr. Beast thing where he's buried alive, watch it.
Can't even watch it.
Wow.
David Blaine did it.
Yeah.
Nope.
Yeah, I hear you on that, dude.
That is just.
But like, do you think backflipping is cool?
Yeah, it looks cool.
It's cool.
It's cool because it's hard to do.
Like most people can't.
And it's a little dangerous.
Yes, a little dangerous.
Yes.
But if you can pull it off, it's sick.
Yes.
This is just that times of bajillion.
Nah, but this is like death or you succeed.
That's a backflip.
You get hurt or you do a backflip.
But Blackfoot, people aren't dying doing backflips.
But if you want to be more hardcore, you just stress.
Fear of Being Buried Alive00:04:54
That's what I'm saying.
You guys need to be more hardcore.
Yeah, why do we feel that need?
I don't like the people that jump from building to building.
I watch that on Instagram all the time.
I don't understand what they do.
I saw a guy jump from a building onto a light pole and slide down.
I hate watching.
You like those, don't you?
I don't think I like it.
Okay.
I just think I can't look away.
Yeah.
I think watching humans do incredible things is cool.
Football is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things.
Basketball is cool because it's human beings doing incredible things.
Don't look at the free throw line.
I feel this is a cultural thing.
Like, I think you grew up seeing all the extreme stuff and then it's like we're desensitized to this.
And we need a little bit more.
It's watching porn.
Yeah.
It's like you're just watching regular fucking, and that's funny.
And like, and you grew up culturally not watching these things.
Yeah.
So when you see somebody like do a kickflip, you're like, what the fuck?
We need to see somebody climb a building.
That's why we're blown away by magic.
That's the wildest shit.
I think it's because y'all believe it a little bit.
I do think y'all believe it a little bit.
No, no, no, no.
A little.
I think we are very like spiritual.
And it's like, nah, that may be the devil's work right there.
So stay away from us.
That's what I'm saying.
That's actually what he said.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, fuck you.
That's granted.
Ask a Korean person about like spells.
And they'd be like, nah, I don't fuck with that.
Yeah, we don't.
We don't fuck with that shit.
So my nanny won't read Harry Potter Halloween books.
Wait, what?
Spot.
Spot has a Halloween party.
It was around Halloween.
And I was like, oh, yeah, Shiloh really likes this book.
And she's like, oh, okay, that's great.
And I was like, do you want to maybe, you know, give it a check?
And she's like, I'll let you read that one.
And I was like, are you not into this?
She's like, no, no, no, nothing with the demons.
I don't.
I go, what about Harry Potter?
She's like, of course not.
I don't.
And then I was like, no, but I mean, I don't want to, you know, impose my cultural values on you at all.
But like, it's just like for fun or whatever.
She says something like, the devil's always fun.
Like, she said something like specific bars.
What is the word?
Like, the devil's not a guy with the horns and a pitchfork.
He comes to you as everything you always wanted.
Exactly.
Something like that.
She said something, and I was like, whoo.
That shit was whack.
That shit'll get you.
It's easy for me to make fun of it because I'm like, come on, I was like, Halloween, but also, I would never do a Ouija board.
Oh, I don't fuck with that shit either.
I don't fuck with that shit either.
I don't fuck with that shit either.
Yeah, I wouldn't do a Ouija board.
Son, I don't, yeah.
I've never seen a ghost or nothing like that, but I wouldn't.
I just wouldn't want to.
What?
The way that you feel about it climbing the wild.
That's how I feel about a Ouija board.
We're walking down the street because Mark was dealing with this existential threat of what is it?
What is the word?
What?
When we were walking to Wolfgang's.
Paranoia?
Yeah, he was dealing with this existential threat of like paranoia.
He's like, Do you ever get paranoid?
Is that like something that affects you at all?
And I'm like, nah, I don't, not really.
I don't really get paranoid.
I'm worried about what?
I wasn't dealing with it.
I just brought it up.
Yeah, no, you mean that.
As I'm saying that, I veer off the sidewalk into oncoming traffic, right?
As I'm going, nah, I don't really just, it's not something I even think about.
And then Mark just starts laughing and he goes, What are you doing?
And I go, oh, there's a ladder right there.
I'm not going to walk under a ladder.
Avoids the whole ladder onto the street.
I take oncoming Toyotas over a ladder.
And I followed him.
Because I'm not going to be the dumbass to be like, well, I'll go through the ladder.
You know some shit I don't know.
So I'm going to go around it.
Also, when we were kids, 90 sitcoms always had a Ouija board episode where they fuck with the Ouija board and something bad happened.
And every time I was like, why would you ever get it?
What's the point?
That's my ladder shit.
It's so easy to walk around the ladder.
Real traffic.
Yeah.
I still don't step on cracks because I don't want to hurt my mom.
If you step on a crack, you break your mom's back.
That's what they said.
And I still avoid cracks to this day.
Damn.
Yeah.
I have to change the pace of my walk.
Really?
You actually?
Yeah.
I swear to God.
You don't want to crack her back?
Yeah.
What?
Relax.
What?
I can't even relax.
My mom watches.
Relax.
Wait, why?
All due respect.
I don't want anyone's back to get hurt.
My mom was telling me she doesn't respect the all-due respect.
So I'm just letting you know.
The next time she sees you, she's going to have some words.
Miss Media.
Yeah.
Miss Media.
I love you, Miss Media.
You know I love you.
It's with all due respect.
I feel I've only said kind things.
All right.
Let's just stop.
Mark was talking about getting your back cracked, and I feel like we're all due respect.
That is a violation.
Don't step on cracks.
That's our whole thing, right?
Don't step on cracks.
Yeah, but you immediately jump to her back in a crack, which I think is not with all due respect conversation.
Yeah, I don't want her vertebrates get fucked up from what?