Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Dana White on FBI Gambling Ring, White House Fight, & Francis Ngannou Beef Explained
Aired: 2025-11-18
Duration: 01:47:58


=== Oval Office Walk (14:14) ===

[00:00:00]  I mean, the fighters are literally going to walk from the Oval Office.
[00:00:02]  Really?
[00:00:03]  Yeah.
[00:00:04]  I mean, they pass a couple executive orders.
[00:00:08]  It's going to cost us a million bucks to replace Valon.
[00:00:11]  Wow.
[00:00:11]  Wow.
[00:00:12]  There was only some people that weren't deported that could do that for super hole for like a few more months.
[00:00:21]  Do you want to dwarf the Super Bowl?
[00:00:22]  No.
[00:00:23]  I want to dwarf fucking soccer.
[00:00:25]  Give me 30 fucking million in credit.
[00:00:28]  Let me bet a million dollars a hand and let's go me versus you.
[00:00:31]  If you fuck around with any of those fucking casinos, you're crazy.
[00:00:34]  You might as well go out back and light your money on fucking fire.
[00:00:37]  So this guy basically lied and said.
[00:00:39]  I saw you talking about the gambling.
[00:00:41]  The day of the fight, which was a couple weeks ago, the bet monitoring system hit us up.
[00:00:45]  They said there's some irregular shit going on with this fight.
[00:00:48]  I literally went in the back and called the FBI.
[00:00:50]  Holy shit.
[00:00:51]  Trust me, I've had my moments with plenty of fighters.
[00:00:54]  Dan, do I have a little story for us?
[00:00:55]  I guess the one I will tell you is when you think about where boxing is right now, how fucked up the sport is.
[00:01:02]  Start the pod.
[00:01:03]  Start the pod right here.
[00:01:04]  It was Saudi money to make these kind of fights.
[00:01:07]  Yeah.
[00:01:08]  You know what I mean?
[00:01:08]  Yeah.
[00:01:09]  Money that makes no sense financially as far as a business goes.
[00:01:14]  Yeah.
[00:01:15]  You cannot run a fucking business like that.
[00:01:17]  But you're going to change it.
[00:01:18]  I'm going to try.
[00:01:19]  You're going to try to change it.
[00:01:20]  I'm going to try.
[00:01:21]  Let's figure out how.
[00:01:22]  Yeah.
[00:01:23]  How do you do it?
[00:01:24]  Yeah.
[00:01:24]  What did they say about it?
[00:01:25]  You tripped it apart and you built it from the ground up.
[00:01:27]  There was like every single fight is a going out of business sale.
[00:01:30]  That's exactly what it is.
[00:01:32]  You know what I mean?
[00:01:33]  Yeah.
[00:01:33]  Let's get as much money from all the guys on this couch as we can.
[00:01:36]  And let's not make them feel like they got what they paid for at the end of the night.
[00:01:43]  Were you surprised at the Crawford victory?
[00:01:47]  Every guy who knows about boxing told me Crawford would win.
[00:01:52]  Yeah, same.
[00:01:52]  Okay.
[00:01:52]  So here's the thing.
[00:01:54]  I was at Canelo Mayweather in Vegas.
[00:01:57]  Like I saw it live.
[00:01:59]  And I wasn't surprised because I was just the biggest Mayweather fan.
[00:02:04]  I mean, this is the greatest great that I've ever seen, right?
[00:02:07]  But I thought the narrative after that fight and for the next, whatever, 10 years or whatever it was, is that Canelo learned so much from that.
[00:02:15]  And you saw it.
[00:02:16]  Like he was fantastic.
[00:02:18]  Like somehow he carried power coming up in weight.
[00:02:20]  Like it was all this.
[00:02:21]  And it was as if he was right back in the ring with Mayweather.
[00:02:25]  It was amazing.
[00:02:26]  Yeah.
[00:02:26]  What Crawford did.
[00:02:27]  Crawford is that good.
[00:02:28]  He's that good.
[00:02:29]  Yeah, he's that good.
[00:02:30]  My boy who boxed Matt McCoy almost boxing the Olympics.
[00:02:33]  Well, tried to, but he was like, Crawford is the best I've ever seen.
[00:02:37]  Just the stuff he does, the IQ, the power, it's insane.
[00:02:40]  I thought that was a great dude, too.
[00:02:42]  I actually really enjoyed working with him.
[00:02:44]  Yeah.
[00:02:44]  Yeah, he's such a good guy.
[00:02:46]  Fun guy.
[00:02:46]  Yeah, he's a good guy.
[00:02:47]  Team, a bunch of good people.
[00:02:50]  It was great.
[00:02:50]  It's so easy to work with people when they get paid.
[00:02:54]  It's so interesting.
[00:02:55]  He's always in a good mood.
[00:02:58]  Guys, we got Dana White back on the pod.
[00:03:00]  Let's go.
[00:03:02]  Dana came in hot.
[00:03:03]  I'm not going to lie.
[00:03:04]  We got about 20 minutes of the craziest stories you've ever heard.
[00:03:06]  None of them will end up on this podcast.
[00:03:10]  You've got to give the other podcast.
[00:03:12]  Yeah, fair enough.
[00:03:12]  Fair enough.
[00:03:12]  But we got to get something.
[00:03:14]  You did promise us you'd tell us the whole UFC White House card, so that's really good.
[00:03:17]  Yeah, that was appreciated.
[00:03:19]  We did promise that we would do that.
[00:03:20]  We don't.
[00:03:20]  So right now we're dealing with all the logistics for this thing, which is.
[00:03:24]  Is it true that Trump is remodeling the White House just for you?
[00:03:28]  Did you?
[00:03:31]  That's all I need.
[00:03:34]  No, you know what?
[00:03:35]  He told me.
[00:03:36]  He didn't need a UFC rig, Donnie.
[00:03:37]  No, when he was starting this project, he told me, he said, listen, this place has needed a ballroom forever.
[00:03:43]  And the place needed, you know, to be touched up.
[00:03:47]  I'm doing it.
[00:03:48]  It hasn't been done in 100 years.
[00:03:49]  When you're looking at the AI image, it's a little crazy.
[00:03:52]  It's crazy.
[00:03:54]  Fucking fat ass.
[00:03:56]  I love it.
[00:03:56]  We're literally building that thing because what I didn't want was a lighting grid blocking out the White House.
[00:04:04]  I want the whole White House to be the background of this fight.
[00:04:06]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:07]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:08]  This fucking tape, this fight will live forever.
[00:04:11]  I mean, yeah, it will.
[00:04:12]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:13]  You don't want to not see the fucking White House.
[00:04:15]  I said, I don't give a shit what this structure costs.
[00:04:17]  I want to see the White House.
[00:04:19]  And then are you at all concerned about the card itself?
[00:04:23]  Like a lot of things need to lead up to this, right?
[00:04:26]  Like certain fighters need to be healthy.
[00:04:27]  Yeah.
[00:04:28]  Matchups need to be exciting.
[00:04:29]  Listen, I can't worry about that.
[00:04:30]  American boys.
[00:04:31]  That type of stuff.
[00:04:32]  You know, we deal with that every day.
[00:04:34]  So see, I don't think all Americans, I think all non-Americans, knock out of the night, golden visa.
[00:04:39]  Oh, no.
[00:04:40]  Let's not give a golden visa to the winners.
[00:04:42]  That's a good non-American winner.
[00:04:43]  That's funny.
[00:04:44]  Remove citizenship from the American Liberty School.
[00:04:47]  I love that.
[00:04:48]  Rest of your life in Dagestan.
[00:04:50]  People are so critical of everything.
[00:04:53]  Believe me when I tell you, we're paying for everything.
[00:04:56]  The government isn't paying for anything.
[00:04:59]  Even I said earlier, it's going to cost us a million bucks to replace the lawn that we're going to tear up.
[00:05:05]  Oh, wow.
[00:05:05]  Wow.
[00:05:07]  Yeah.
[00:05:07]  There was only some people that weren't deported that could do that for CBS.
[00:05:13]  These prices are going crazy.
[00:05:15]  Donald, put an ice on a hole for like a few more months.
[00:05:19]  Wait until July or something.
[00:05:24]  A million bucks for another lawn.
[00:05:26]  It's going to be a million bucks.
[00:05:27]  Okay, obviously you're getting crazy.
[00:05:29]  Well, we have to.
[00:05:30]  So the South Lawn slopes like this.
[00:05:32]  Right.
[00:05:33]  So we have to build it up and make it all level, too.
[00:05:36]  Oh, yeah, no, the logistics on this thing is insane.
[00:05:40]  I mean, security must be crazy.
[00:05:42]  Security is going to be crazy.
[00:05:43]  There'll be under 4,000 people there.
[00:05:46]  And I don't even know how people are going to get selected yet.
[00:05:50]  We have to work that out.
[00:05:51]  Can I tell you a nice PR move?
[00:05:53]  Pack it with as much military as possible.
[00:05:56]  Well, that is the plan.
[00:05:57]  The plan is that the president wants to do it for the military.
[00:06:01]  I actually love that because I'm like an immigrant kid and I was like, man, I don't know what the White House symbolizes, like all the most dignified aspects of America and having sports there.
[00:06:10]  I was like, I don't know.
[00:06:10]  But you know what?
[00:06:11]  I'd be fire if it was the people who serve the country.
[00:06:13]  That's exactly what that president wants to do.
[00:06:15]  That would be a cool because then it's kind of hard to hate on it.
[00:06:19]  You know what I mean?
[00:06:20]  Listen, this will be the most watched fight of all time.
[00:06:22]  I mean, people from all over the world are going to watch this fight.
[00:06:24]  What are you going to do when I ask you for six tickets?
[00:06:28]  What are you going to say?
[00:06:29]  Everybody's asking me for tickets.
[00:06:31]  Are you already getting hit up?
[00:06:32]  Yo, hell yeah.
[00:06:33]  You're going to say serve your country.
[00:06:35]  I'm going to be able to get a ticket to the White House.
[00:06:37]  John Jones is even willing to be there.
[00:06:40]  He's willing to come out of retirement.
[00:06:42]  Are you saying no to Jones?
[00:06:44]  What's the...
[00:06:45]  I haven't said yes or no to anybody yet, but I can't put John Jones in a position where he can, you know.
[00:06:56]  Right.
[00:06:57]  You can't let this get canceled.
[00:07:00]  I had a deal with him.
[00:07:01]  We had a deal to fight Tom Aspinall.
[00:07:03]  Really?
[00:07:04]  We had a deal.
[00:07:05]  What happened?
[00:07:05]  And he said, you know what?
[00:07:06]  I'm not going to do it.
[00:07:08]  He didn't want to do it.
[00:07:09]  Yeah.
[00:07:09]  I can't be in that position.
[00:07:10]  I got to have somebody.
[00:07:11]  You know, people talk shit about McGregor.
[00:07:14]  McGregor, McGregor, when you walk in the room and you're three days out from the fight and you're like, your opponent fell out.
[00:07:23]  There's a great video of this to you.
[00:07:25]  Well, I'm going to the gym.
[00:07:26]  When I get done working out, let me know I'm fighting.
[00:07:28]  Don't give a shit.
[00:07:30]  Doesn't want any input.
[00:07:31]  Doesn't get 30 people on the phone.
[00:07:33]  What do you think about this?
[00:07:34]  What do you think?
[00:07:35]  Just let me know I'm fighting.
[00:07:37]  So you can say whatever you want about Connor.
[00:07:39]  Connor's been that guy forever.
[00:07:42]  How badly do you want Connor to be at that fight?
[00:07:47]  Well, listen, the rest of this year has to play out.
[00:07:52]  Big fight on Saturday night.
[00:07:53]  Yes.
[00:07:54]  We're recording this year.
[00:07:57]  And we'll start making these decisions in February.
[00:08:00]  But I'm going to do.
[00:08:01]  So no decisions yet.
[00:08:02]  There's no like, okay, we need to have Predeta at this or something.
[00:08:05]  I'm sure everybody's asking about this.
[00:08:06]  I even feel like a little hacky asking you, but I need to know because I'm curious.
[00:08:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:08:10]  There's got to be like an ideal situation.
[00:08:12]  What does?
[00:08:13]  From the White House.
[00:08:14]  That would be the dream.
[00:08:15]  I'm going to put on, obviously, the card that people expect to be at the White House.
[00:08:22]  That's what I'm going to put together.
[00:08:23]  So it's going to be Patrick.
[00:08:24]  Trump versus Biden.
[00:08:25]  It's always about the fans.
[00:08:27]  What do the fans want to see?
[00:08:29]  And what would get everybody excited?
[00:08:32]  But yeah, I mean, the fighters are literally going to walk from the Oval Office.
[00:08:36]  Really?
[00:08:37]  Yeah.
[00:08:37]  I mean, if you're a fighter, I mean, they're going to walk from the Oval Office.
[00:08:43]  Why don't they pass a couple executive orders?
[00:08:47]  They will walk from the Oval Office.
[00:08:49]  So when I took my team out there to pitch the president, so I was telling my team, you know, there's this right offside off the Oval Office, the assistants where they're saying that.
[00:09:04]  And then there's a big conference room.
[00:09:07]  Trump guys, I mean, Clinton got his dick sucked there, dude.
[00:09:09]  Was it the old place?
[00:09:11]  Yeah.
[00:09:11]  Oh, okay.
[00:09:13]  Not in that office.
[00:09:14]  That's a different one.
[00:09:15]  So there's an office that, you know, when you first walk into the Oval Office, the assistants sit there.
[00:09:20]  You get into the Oval.
[00:09:21]  And then once you go down, there's another hallway there on the left-hand side.
[00:09:25]  That's that office.
[00:09:26]  And then there's the presidents have another office back there.
[00:09:30]  So I was telling my team, I said, and this is one of the million things I love about Trump, but I said, this is probably going to be in the conference room, but I'll make sure you guys get to see the Oval Office.
[00:09:41]  No, he did it in the Oval Office.
[00:09:43]  The whole presentation was in the Oval Office.
[00:09:45]  It was incredible.
[00:09:46]  And like my team was geeking out for two weeks that they actually got to add a meeting.
[00:09:52]  So he's stoked about it.
[00:09:53]  Now, is he doing this because he loves EOC or is he doing it because you're like one of his kids almost?
[00:09:58]  This guy is like...
[00:09:59]  He loves the EOC.
[00:10:01]  We're sitting there one day.
[00:10:02]  He says, if you go to the White House, right?
[00:10:07]  Nobody is more proud of the White House than President Trump.
[00:10:12]  He tours everybody.
[00:10:13]  He does all these things.
[00:10:14]  He loves it.
[00:10:16]  He said that they.
[00:10:18]  They've needed it.
[00:10:19]  Like he said, they've needed a ballroom for 100 years.
[00:10:22]  They've needed a ballroom there.
[00:10:23]  They don't have enough space.
[00:10:24]  And he goes, and some of the stuff that's going on right now needed to be done, but none of these other presidents know how to do it.
[00:10:32]  He's like, this is what I do.
[00:10:33]  Dude, this is one of those things where it's like, and obviously everything is a whole fucking political story.
[00:10:37]  There'll be somebody even clipping this whole thing.
[00:10:39]  But if there was one issue that you wouldn't think people would care about, it's the guy with a career in real estate doing renovations at the White House.
[00:10:48]  If there's one thing that you would just go, yeah, maybe we look at something else.
[00:10:53]  It was the guy who's been renovating buildings for the last 50 years, renovating a building.
[00:10:58]  Anything he does, they're going to go after anyway.
[00:11:01]  Did you see the thing with the Osbournes?
[00:11:05]  Oh, yeah.
[00:11:07]  Yeah, that was really sweet.
[00:11:07]  You guys see that?
[00:11:08]  So the Osbournes are doing their podcast or whatever it is.
[00:11:12]  And they're like, should we play the message?
[00:11:16]  And it says the Osborns out President Trump or whatever they were saying, like he did something terrible.
[00:11:24]  And they play the voicemail and it's him saying, I'm sorry to hear about Ozzy.
[00:11:29]  He was a good guy, obviously very talented.
[00:11:32]  And says, he called to give his condolences.
[00:11:39]  And then Sharon Osborne says, this man has never treated me and your father with anything but respect.
[00:11:47]  And she goes, and the crazier part is I'm not American.
[00:11:50]  Never voted, never will vote, don't want to vote.
[00:11:54]  So the guy doesn't need anything from me.
[00:11:57]  And I've been saying this about Trump for 10 years.
[00:12:00]  I mean, anytime, anything he would call and it was just, he is the best guy.
[00:12:08]  You know, he's a good guy.
[00:12:11]  Do you find it difficult to even say that now because everything around him is so radioactive?
[00:12:15]  I've been saying it for 10 years.
[00:12:17]  I know you have to.
[00:12:17]  It's always been that way.
[00:12:18]  I know that's what your loyalty is.
[00:12:20]  And you strike me as a guy.
[00:12:20]  That's loyalty.
[00:12:21]  It's like if somebody was talking shit about him.
[00:12:24]  Yeah, they would be right.
[00:12:25]  Right?
[00:12:30]  Moby cars.
[00:12:32]  Well, you know what I'm saying?
[00:12:33]  If somebody was talking shit about somebody that you know very well and know who exactly who they are, you would go out and you would tell the truth.
[00:12:42]  100%.
[00:12:43]  Right.
[00:12:43]  And understand this.
[00:12:44]  When I was doing this, everybody absolutely positively guaranteed me that he would not win.
[00:12:52]  This guy's never going to be the president of the United States.
[00:12:54]  It's never going to happen.
[00:12:56]  And you're going to put yourself out there.
[00:12:58]  And I said, yeah, because...
[00:12:59]  You got nothing to lose.
[00:13:00]  He's not going to be able to do that.
[00:13:00]  That's the only thing I got nothing to lose.
[00:13:01]  I fucking love the guy.
[00:13:04]  It's legit.
[00:13:05]  I'm not lying.
[00:13:05]  I'm not trying to get my buddy to become the fucking president of the United States.
[00:13:10]  This is something you care about.
[00:13:11]  Everybody told me not to fucking do it.
[00:13:13]  Yeah, fuck that.
[00:13:14]  I'm sure they said the same thing to Tyson.
[00:13:16]  And like Tyson to this day has always defended him.
[00:13:18]  You ask anybody that's known Trump for a long time, they'll all tell you the same thing.
[00:13:22]  And it's the truth.
[00:13:24]  And even a brilliant move by Kid Rock.
[00:13:27]  Kid Rock calls me and says, Hey, I need a favor.
[00:13:32]  I said this Bill Maher, Trump, you know, dinner up.
[00:13:37]  And I'm kind of freaking out now.
[00:13:39]  He says, if this thing goes fucking south.
[00:13:41]  Not good.
[00:13:42]  Yeah.
[00:13:42]  He goes, will you come to this dinner too?
[00:13:45]  Oh, and you were at the dinner?
[00:13:46]  Yeah.
[00:13:47]  And I said, and I said, I said, yeah, I'll come, but I'll just fucking show up at the White House.
[00:13:53]  So I call him and I said, hey, Kid Rock wants me to come to this dinner on Monday with Bill Maher.
[00:14:00]  And he says, yeah, if you want to come, come.
[00:14:03]  So we go to the dinner.
[00:14:04]  It was incredible to be at this thing.
[00:14:07]  So Bill Maher.
[00:14:08]  So one of the things that the president busts my balls about all the time is I don't wear suits.
[00:14:14]  Right.
[00:14:14]  So I don't wear suits.

=== Bill Maher Dinner (02:57) ===

[00:14:15]  I go fucking showing up there.
[00:14:16]  And he's literally busts my balls all day.
[00:14:20]  Even at Mar-a-Lago.
[00:14:21]  When you go to fucking Mar-Lago, have any of you been to Mar-a-Lago?
[00:14:24]  You go to Mar-a-Lago.
[00:14:25]  It's like, it's like a Tuesday at dinner.
[00:14:28]  People are wearing tuxedos and shit at this place, right?
[00:14:31]  And I fucking show up, you know, in jeans and tennis shoes.
[00:14:35]  He's like, Shirnski, get out of here.
[00:14:40]  So Bill Maher walks into the Oval Office and it's me and the president, Bill Maher and Bill's Maher.
[00:14:49]  I don't know where Kid Rock was.
[00:14:50]  He was doing something, but he walks in and Bill Maher is shitting himself.
[00:14:55]  He's like, there's no way I wasn't wearing a suit to this thing.
[00:14:59]  And he goes, he looks at me and he goes, that's definitely from the Zelensky collection.
[00:15:06]  And he's like, I need a drink.
[00:15:08]  And anytime you need a drink, the president will get you a Coke, you know?
[00:15:11]  And he's like, no, I need something harder than a Coke.
[00:15:13]  So he starts drinking and he brings in this list of all the things the president has called him over the last 30 years.
[00:15:21]  And I said, this is awesome.
[00:15:23]  And I had them, I literally had them both sign it.
[00:15:28]  And I have it.
[00:15:28]  They both signed it.
[00:15:29]  And it hangs in the front.
[00:15:30]  We come up the elevators in the UFC to the executive office.
[00:15:34]  It hangs on the wall.
[00:15:35]  I heard Bill tell this story.
[00:15:36]  I thought that he kept it.
[00:15:37]  You have it.
[00:15:38]  There were two.
[00:15:38]  He brought two copies of the logic.
[00:15:41]  He brought two copies.
[00:15:44]  Yo, Rhode Island.
[00:15:46]  My bad I missed you guys last time, but we're coming back.
[00:15:50]  Okay, we're coming back.
[00:15:52]  Providence, Rhode Island, March 28th.
[00:15:54]  This is the only show that I have on schedule right now.
[00:15:58]  Providence Performing Arts Center, great comedy festival they got going on out there.
[00:16:03]  I'll be honest, this might be their first year.
[00:16:07]  I'm not exactly sure, but we're going to be there.
[00:16:09]  We'll see you out there March 28th, theandreasouls.com for ticks.
[00:16:13]  Peace.
[00:16:14]  Also, guys, tour dates.
[00:16:16]  There's only one I care about right now.
[00:16:17]  This is a literal dream come true.
[00:16:19]  Radio fucking city music hall.
[00:16:23]  Thank everybody who watches podcast.
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[00:16:27]  April 18th.
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[00:16:40]  Suck is damn.
[00:16:41]  Live.
[00:16:42]  Suck is there.
[00:16:44]  Suck is there.
[00:16:45]  But for real, light it up.
[00:16:46]  Go get those tickets right now.
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[00:16:48]  April 18th.
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[00:16:52]  Let's do it.
[00:16:53]  Hey, what's up, guys?
[00:16:54]  Really quick.
[00:16:54]  I'm going on the road.
[00:16:55]  I'm being Philadelphia 40, Indiana.
[00:16:59]  Is that it?
[00:17:01]  Damn.
[00:17:02]  Okay, I'm also going to Chicago, Hoboken, and a bunch of other cities.
[00:17:06]  I'll see you guys there.
[00:17:06]  Thanks so much.
[00:17:07]  MarkAagnonLive.com.
[00:17:09]  I commend Bill for going, by the way.
[00:17:10]  100%.
[00:17:11]  I think.

=== Meeting Obama (08:21) ===

[00:17:12]  Well, listen to this.
[00:17:12]  So then, you know, he goes in, you know, we sit down for dinner and they're going back and forth on policies and what they agree with, what they don't agree with.
[00:17:26]  We go through the whole dinner.
[00:17:28]  And then after dinner, Trump gives Bill Maher a full tour of the White House.
[00:17:32]  Like, incredible tour.
[00:17:34]  Now, think about how long this guy's been supporting Democrats, whatever.
[00:17:38]  Nobody's ever invited him out and tour to the White House.
[00:17:42]  President Trump did.
[00:17:43]  And again, to Bill's credit, he went on his air and said, Well, I can tell you this: the guy I've hated for 30 years was not present at this dinner.
[00:17:54]  And, you know, he told the truth.
[00:17:56]  But that is the case whenever you meet people in person, right?
[00:17:59]  You get like a three-dimensional view of who that person is as a human being.
[00:18:03]  And I think that's the tricky thing when that is the scary thing for people when there are individuals that are platformed.
[00:18:10]  Like even Trump coming on the pod or even Bernie coming on the pod, whoever comes on our pod, it's scary when you see someone that you don't like look friendly and nice.
[00:18:19]  It's terrifying.
[00:18:20]  And there's an actual challenge all my thoughts in it.
[00:18:22]  Exactly.
[00:18:22]  It's like, well, I was supposed to hate this person.
[00:18:24]  And then it turns out that they're kind of a good dad.
[00:18:27]  I don't want to hate someone who's a kind of a good dad.
[00:18:29]  You know what I mean?
[00:18:30]  And I think that's that visceral reaction where you start going, like, I need to hold on to my view of this person that I hate.
[00:18:36]  And I will fight tooth and nail to do it.
[00:18:39]  People know him politically.
[00:18:40]  And people can agree or disagree because that's politics.
[00:18:43]  100%.
[00:18:43]  But then you know him personally.
[00:18:44]  You're dead on.
[00:18:45]  What do people misunderstand about him as a person?
[00:18:47]  That when you see him talking at like a political thing, you go, oh, they're missing this.
[00:18:50]  Everybody in this room, everybody in this building, everybody in this fucking city, if I took you to dinner with Trump and we had dinner for an hour, you would laugh your fucking ass off for 45 minutes.
[00:19:03]  And then when we got up and left dinner, you guys would walk outside and go, holy shit.
[00:19:09]  You know, that was awesome.
[00:19:11]  And I love this guy.
[00:19:12]  This guy's hilarious.
[00:19:13]  We did the, did you see, can you see if you can get that clip up of him?
[00:19:17]  This is the funniest shit where the guy who runs Syria came on, Sim came to the White House, he had him in the Oval Office.
[00:19:24]  Is it the how many wives he has?
[00:19:26]  On the cologne?
[00:19:28]  Okay, okay.
[00:19:29]  So this guy used to be like, oh, this one that came out today.
[00:19:31]  He said, we're all my gays for Trump's.
[00:19:34]  And the guy goes, woo!
[00:19:36]  And he goes, you?
[00:19:37]  You don't look gay.
[00:19:43]  Hold on.
[00:19:43]  Play this.
[00:19:44]  Play this clip.
[00:19:45]  Yeah.
[00:19:51]  It's the best fragrance.
[00:19:52]  Come here.
[00:19:59]  Just take Pat Joe, put it in.
[00:20:01]  And then the other one is your wife.
[00:20:08]  I never know.
[00:20:09]  With you guys, I never know.
[00:20:11]  With you guys, I just know.
[00:20:13]  But it is a...
[00:20:15]  So funny.
[00:20:16]  But it is like, it just neutralizes the room, right?
[00:20:19]  Like, he's in it.
[00:20:20]  There's going to be this like stick up.
[00:20:21]  This guy was probably, I think, on like a terror watch list or something at one point, right?
[00:20:25]  The guy that's running Syria.
[00:20:26]  I think he was part of...
[00:20:27]  Something like that.
[00:20:27]  It was something like that.
[00:20:28]  Now he's running the country.
[00:20:29]  So you're going to have to, you're going to have to have a meeting with this person who's running a fucking country, right?
[00:20:35]  And I'm spraying you down with fucking cologne the second you walk in.
[00:20:39]  So fuck.
[00:20:40]  And but you look at his demeanor, like he's serious, and Trump is spraying him with cologne.
[00:20:45]  He just starts to break.
[00:20:46]  Yeah.
[00:20:47]  And there, I think there's a lot of utility in that.
[00:20:50]  Like, wouldn't you rather kind of, I would imagine, like negotiate with someone that you feel like there's some level of rapport.
[00:20:58]  Yeah.
[00:20:59]  Look at everything he's got done in the last eight, nine months.
[00:21:02]  Some people are very upset about that.
[00:21:09]  There's like, there's this thing with Trump where it's just like, even the people that don't like him will watch that and then they'll laugh.
[00:21:15]  Right.
[00:21:16]  So there is this version where I don't think people want Trump gone.
[00:21:20]  I think they want him to be like, you get to live in the White House and we'll move the White House to another building.
[00:21:26]  And then we're just, you get to still be there and you meet with all the dignitaries and everybody and just have the best time.
[00:21:32]  He's like a king or a queen in England.
[00:21:33]  Exactly.
[00:21:34]  Like you're there.
[00:21:34]  You represent.
[00:21:35]  And it's just, we have fun.
[00:21:37]  You don't even have to tell him he's not president anymore.
[00:21:40]  He's getting shit done.
[00:21:41]  No.
[00:21:41]  He's getting shit done.
[00:21:43]  Have you ever like seen something you did politically and disagreed and then talked to him in person and been like, yo, Donald?
[00:21:48]  No, no.
[00:21:49]  So obviously, it's like friends that you'll have or family members.
[00:21:53]  You don't necessarily agree with everything they believe in or agree with or like or whatever it is.
[00:21:58]  But, you know, it's the same with any president, though.
[00:22:02]  I mean, nobody ever agrees 100% with the president of the United States and all their policies and whatever it might be.
[00:22:09]  But I'm an American and they're the presidents.
[00:22:12]  Like the whole time when Biden was president, people were like, he's not my president.
[00:22:17]  I got some bad fucking news for you.
[00:22:19]  He is your president.
[00:22:20]  If you're an American, this is the president of the United States.
[00:22:23]  And it's going to be what it's going to be for the next four years.
[00:22:26]  And then we all go out and vote.
[00:22:27]  I remember that feeling going away around George W. Bush or Barack Obama.
[00:22:31]  People be like, that's not my president.
[00:22:33]  And I always, again, I'm like old school in that way.
[00:22:35]  I was like, nah, that's your, whether you voted for him or not, I don't like a lot of what Trump is doing politically.
[00:22:39]  Dad is the president.
[00:22:40]  And meeting him, charming, warm, brilliant, like EQ, genius level, unbelievable.
[00:22:46]  I got nothing bad to say about him personally.
[00:22:48]  So when I was at the inauguration, there were all these memes that were going around that I was mad dogging because I was sitting right behind all the ex-presidents at the inauguration.
[00:22:59]  And who are you mad dogging?
[00:23:03]  Obama.
[00:23:04]  They said I was mad dogging Obama.
[00:23:05]  Are you sizing him up?
[00:23:08]  UFC White House.
[00:23:09]  If Obama was the only president turned around and said to me, hey, Dana, congratulations on all your success.
[00:23:16]  No way.
[00:23:17]  I said, thank you, Mr. President.
[00:23:18]  I shook his hand.
[00:23:19]  And he couldn't have been any nicer.
[00:23:21]  Well, that's the thing.
[00:23:21]  I mean, you could tell with Obama that you would immediately like him anytime you get to meet him.
[00:23:26]  100%.
[00:23:27]  Yeah.
[00:23:27]  Absolute charming guy and speaks well.
[00:23:32]  A brilliant representation of America.
[00:23:35]  I think that's what, like, I was on Rogan recently.
[00:23:37]  We had that conversation.
[00:23:38]  It was one of those things where you felt like, wow, this person is a brilliant representation of America.
[00:23:45]  And you felt very comfortable with how he was viewed.
[00:23:49]  I think Trump is more polarizing.
[00:23:50]  There are people that love him.
[00:23:52]  There are people that hate him.
[00:23:53]  And don't get me wrong, Obama was polarizing too.
[00:23:55]  But in terms of like the rest of the world outside of braces places that were like, how?
[00:24:00]  You know, I think that they were like, oh, wow, this guy is a great representation of the office.
[00:24:05]  Trump does it in a completely different way.
[00:24:07]  And Trump's a guy that can roll into any country and get a deal done.
[00:24:11]  And, you know, the thing about Trump that, you know, I don't know how you can hate it is he is America first, man.
[00:24:18]  He is.
[00:24:18]  Yeah.
[00:24:19]  Well, I think you're starting to see that like both sides of the political aisle want America to be first.
[00:24:24]  It's a very cool thing that is happening in that regard.
[00:24:26]  I think unfortunately it comes from a place of people are struggling, you know, and it's like when you're struggling, you're like, I would like us to be the priority, not anybody else.
[00:24:35]  When you're flush, it's like, hey, let's give everybody a little something.
[00:24:38]  So true.
[00:24:38]  But when you're struggling.
[00:24:40]  Have you learned anything from him?
[00:24:41]  Like, have you ever seen him operate in a way where you're like, oh, wow, that's a very savvy business move?
[00:24:47]  Yeah.
[00:24:47]  One of the things that I like about him is, you know, everybody thinks it's the opposite, but it's completely not true.
[00:24:54]  If you look at what they did to that guy leading up to this election and the last one, it's pretty crazy.
[00:25:00]  And when he would talk about Drain in the Swamp in DC, you know, he hasn't been, he hasn't been as, you know, like going after the people that went after him the way that people said he would and whatever.
[00:25:18]  The first thing he did was started meeting with all these people.
[00:25:21]  And again, there are certain situations that I know about personally that, you know, to be honest with you, I don't know if I would have met with some of these guys.
[00:25:32]  I'd have been like, fuck them.
[00:25:33]  Fucking meet with these guys.

=== Siloed Theater Talk (03:13) ===

[00:25:34]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:35]  And he's not like that.
[00:25:37]  Takes everybody's call, meets with everybody.
[00:25:39]  And, you know, give us one name.
[00:25:44]  As soon as the podcast's over, I'll say, does it rhyme with Billy?
[00:25:50]  I don't know anything about her or his relationship with her, but I'm assuming that's not good and never will be.
[00:25:59]  That goes both ways.
[00:26:01]  All right.
[00:26:02]  So there's this thing that's happening where you keep on grabbing another thing to build up to be the biggest thing in the world.
[00:26:09]  Right.
[00:26:09]  And are you afraid that if you don't have a thing to make the biggest thing in the world, that like you'll just die or something?
[00:26:16]  I'm genuinely curious.
[00:26:18]  So what happened to me was, you know, my whole Gary Breckett story.
[00:26:22]  I met Gary Breckett.
[00:26:23]  I know it.
[00:26:24]  Got my health in order.
[00:26:25]  Yeah, you saw that happen.
[00:26:28]  Once that happened, pop out of my head.
[00:26:31]  It changed everything.
[00:26:32]  Oh, so now you got your life back.
[00:26:34]  I feel like I'm fucking 30 again.
[00:26:36]  And I want to take on more things.
[00:26:38]  And yeah, I enjoy doing it.
[00:26:40]  Okay.
[00:26:40]  So I'm curious your take on this.
[00:26:43]  Like, you've seen a lot of movies struggling, I imagine, recently.
[00:26:46]  Literally been talking about this for two months.
[00:26:48]  Wow.
[00:26:48]  Okay, good.
[00:26:49]  Okay, let's get into this because this is one of my favorite topics, especially recently.
[00:26:54]  He's been talking about this for three days at least.
[00:26:56]  It's not just movies.
[00:26:58]  I think we're no longer existing in what we grew up with, which was monoculture.
[00:27:04]  A thing happened and everyone was aware of it.
[00:27:06]  There was much less outlets and there's much less overall conversation.
[00:27:11]  Now things have become so siloed.
[00:27:13]  And now specifically, like the difference between TikTok and Instagram, like Instagram is the people you follow in their content.
[00:27:18]  TikTok, you don't even have to follow anybody.
[00:27:20]  It's just what the algorithm sends you.
[00:27:22]  It has really kind of diversified our knowledge set.
[00:27:25]  And movies, there's an issue, obviously, because like going to the theater is kind of antiquated.
[00:27:30]  But it's not even that it's antiquated.
[00:27:33]  It's like everybody doesn't know about the same thing.
[00:27:38]  And I'm very curious your take on this because you put on events.
[00:27:42]  How do you find a way in a place where we are divided into a thousand different silos to get everybody on board with a singular event?
[00:27:53]  So think about this.
[00:27:54]  So when we were kids, you had a handful of studios, right?
[00:27:59]  And all these scripts would come into these studios and they would pick the best of the best.
[00:28:06]  Those were the movies that they invested in and they made.
[00:28:10]  So I saw this thing on social media not too long ago.
[00:28:14]  It was showing like the movie, the summer lineup.
[00:28:18]  Remember, so you had the Christmas lineup, Thanksgiving, summer.
[00:28:21]  Summer was Will Smith.
[00:28:23]  We watched Will Smith take on July to July every single year.
[00:28:26]  It was, you know, you had like a summer where, you know, Top Gun and like every movie was like, holy shit, those are all badass classic movies.
[00:28:35]  Now there's so much fucking garbage being made because there's so many different ways to consume content, whether it's, you know, the streaming services or social media or whatever it is.

=== Devil Wears Prada (02:48) ===

[00:28:47]  I think that, you know, they're just pumping out a lot of garbage now.
[00:28:52]  And like I agree with 100% with what you said.
[00:28:56]  We're not all aligned like we used to be.
[00:28:58]  And, you know, because if a blockbuster movie was coming out, you would fucking hear about it.
[00:29:03]  Everybody knew.
[00:29:04]  And it was a must-see.
[00:29:05]  You got to go see it at the theater.
[00:29:06]  It used to be packed to sell out.
[00:29:07]  You couldn't get tickets.
[00:29:08]  Exactly.
[00:29:09]  And if you weren't there, you felt a little bit of FOMO, right?
[00:29:11]  There was like this sensation of everybody's going to see this thing and I'm not.
[00:29:15]  You saw it.
[00:29:16]  I didn't see it.
[00:29:17]  You didn't see it.
[00:29:18]  It's fucking great.
[00:29:19]  Now I got to go see it.
[00:29:20]  There's absolutely none of that shit.
[00:29:23]  I don't even know when new movies come out.
[00:29:26]  But I will tell you this, in the car, we were just driving over here and on my Instagram was the, so I was telling a story like a couple months ago around the Crawford Canelo fight.
[00:29:39]  So I have just discovered this new artist who I think is going to be big.
[00:29:44]  Her name is Billie Eilish.
[00:29:48]  And there's this video of her.
[00:29:51]  And I guess it's right when she came out.
[00:29:53]  Everyone was busting my balls on social media because I didn't know the Reading Festival was in England.
[00:30:00]  But she comes out.
[00:30:01]  She's a young kid that wrote this song probably in her fucking bedroom and comes out.
[00:30:06]  And I don't know if you've ever seen this video, the Reading Festival of her.
[00:30:10]  And she sings that song, Bad Guy.
[00:30:12]  It's fucking awesome.
[00:30:14]  I love when creative people create something and the whole fucking world just consumes it.
[00:30:23]  There's this thing about when it hits and everybody's into it.
[00:30:26]  That's just really cool.
[00:30:28]  No matter what.
[00:30:32]  I'd never heard of Billie Eilish before.
[00:30:35]  I'm not in the demo.
[00:30:36]  I'm sure she doesn't want me in her demo.
[00:30:37]  Look at this.
[00:30:38]  Wow.
[00:30:39]  And listen, they're all singing it.
[00:30:41]  What was big about this was she wasn't like the main event.
[00:30:45]  She was like in the afternoon.
[00:30:46]  Yeah.
[00:30:46]  And nobody was expecting the crowd that she got.
[00:30:50]  And when you watch this clip, it's really badass.
[00:30:54]  And I was like, this is amazing.
[00:30:55]  And then on the way over here, I saw the trailer for The Devil Wears Prada 2.
[00:31:01]  Dude, how fucking cool is that?
[00:31:04]  So I love that.
[00:31:05]  There's no more of that shit.
[00:31:06]  You don't see things that are that good and that creative.
[00:31:10]  Now, again, we're not in the Devil Wears Prada 2.
[00:31:15]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:16]  But we're good at that.
[00:31:17]  But we might be my parents.
[00:31:19]  When you see something that's reluctantly, this is not what I thought you were going to do.
[00:31:27]  He's like, yo, Billie Eilish, Devil Wears Prada.
[00:31:29]  Badass.
[00:31:30]  Ann Hathaway is still stunning.
[00:31:32]  Oh, my God.
[00:31:33]  Beautiful.
[00:31:33]  Beautiful.
[00:31:34]  God.
[00:31:34]  This shit doesn't happen anymore.

=== Game Seven Matchmaking (05:35) ===

[00:31:36]  People don't.
[00:31:37]  This will decide of things anymore that make you go, fuck, I got to see that movie.
[00:31:40]  This will decide if this if movies are done in the theaters, this movie right here.
[00:31:44]  Because the existing IP movies still work.
[00:31:47]  The other thing is, when you went to see movies, part of the appeal too was the fucking trailers.
[00:31:52]  You didn't want to miss the trailers in the beginning of the big movies that were coming out.
[00:31:56]  Alex, the trailers happened before the movie.
[00:31:58]  You show up 20 minutes late to everyone.
[00:32:00]  There's many movies before that.
[00:32:04]  I'm missing out on movies.
[00:32:06]  But that, but when you think about that, all that shit goes away.
[00:32:10]  Yeah, because we're watching on Instagram.
[00:32:11]  You're watching on YouTube.
[00:32:12]  It's just the business.
[00:32:13]  The whole experience is watered down.
[00:32:15]  But this is existing IP.
[00:32:17]  I'm talking about like new movies.
[00:32:19]  What gets people excited about?
[00:32:20]  You're exactly right about that.
[00:32:22]  Is they don't make any new creative movies that you go, oh shit, I got to go see that.
[00:32:25]  No, they do.
[00:32:26]  Two or three or you know.
[00:32:28]  They just had a movie with Leo made by directed by Paul Thomas Anderson.
[00:32:32]  It was called One Battle After One Battle After another.
[00:32:35]  And it was, by all accounts, an absolutely sensational movie.
[00:32:38]  I think it probably grossed like $100 million.
[00:32:40]  Right now, it's probably on track to lose $100 or $200 million, but it is a fantastic movie with a superstar director, superstar lead actor, but it doesn't penetrate culture.
[00:32:50]  What's it called?
[00:32:51]  I didn't even know it was.
[00:32:51]  Exactly.
[00:32:52]  One battle after another.
[00:32:53]  But this is Leo.
[00:32:54]  And I just heard about fucking Billy Island.
[00:32:58]  So what I'm trying to understand is, like, does this also affect fights?
[00:33:02]  Like, Canelo Crawford, we're talking about the biggest fight in the world.
[00:33:06]  That's how big something needs to be for all of us to go, I'm locking it, I'm watching it.
[00:33:11]  The White House is another one where if you insert politics into this, also, it's like politics is the last thing that kind of brings everybody together.
[00:33:18]  And I think that's why a lot of people are talking about it all the time because that's the way you can get like the biggest mouthpiece so you can get to the most ears and eyeballs.
[00:33:25]  But like when you think about that with promoting a fight, you guys are putting fights on almost every single week.
[00:33:30]  How do you penetrate a thousand different silos?
[00:33:33]  Do you do a thousand different podcasts or is there a way to shine a light bright enough on every single one?
[00:33:39]  Well, where we're lucky is that we have a built-in fan base that knows what's going on every weekend.
[00:33:47]  And, you know, it goes like this.
[00:33:50]  I was in the Middle East and I was doing PowerSlap and I was with Nina Drama and we were doing a stream live.
[00:34:00]  They said, why does next week's card suck so bad?
[00:34:02]  Who said that?
[00:34:03]  One of the people in the stream.
[00:34:04]  And I said, ha ha ha.
[00:34:06]  Oh, I saw this clip with suck when it didn't even happen.
[00:34:09]  Yeah.
[00:34:10]  Yeah.
[00:34:10]  Watch it on Saturday.
[00:34:12]  Yeah.
[00:34:12]  If it sucks, then fuck.
[00:34:13]  And how many UFC cards fucking suck all the time?
[00:34:16]  So this is, you know what I mean?
[00:34:17]  So this is where with your business, which is really different than boxing, which I hope you change about boxing.
[00:34:23]  I've been a lifelong boxer.
[00:34:24]  Like my dad covered boxing back in the day.
[00:34:25]  I used to go to Ollie's Camp in the Poconos, like generation boxing super fan.
[00:34:30]  I would go to boxing fights and the thing would be absolutely empty until the last fight.
[00:34:34]  Like empty.
[00:34:35]  You remember like maybe the last two people start trickling in with the UFC.
[00:34:42]  People are there for the fucking prelims, which is like not even a thing that exists in boxing.
[00:34:48]  And I think it is because a UFC fight, even with people that you don't know, an MMA fight, is more entertaining than a superstar boxer fighting some tomato can to pad their record.
[00:35:01]  It's because of the matchmaking.
[00:35:04]  You have to build fights.
[00:35:06]  There's a couple of things that you have to have in the equation to build something.
[00:35:11]  First of all, you have to have talented people fighting at the right time.
[00:35:16]  And there always has to be what's at stake.
[00:35:19]  Yeah.
[00:35:20]  What I'm always selling is what's at stake here.
[00:35:23]  So many belts.
[00:35:23]  Let me tell you what I don't give a shit about.
[00:35:26]  The fucking Dodgers and the Blue Jays.
[00:35:30]  Okay.
[00:35:31]  I could give a flying fuck about any of that, who wins or whatever happens.
[00:35:36]  But guess what happened?
[00:35:37]  Fucking they went 18 innings, so Tani gets on base nine times.
[00:35:41]  I hate baseball.
[00:35:42]  That game is a bad thing.
[00:35:43]  All this shit happened.
[00:35:44]  Me and all my fucking friends, as soon as we got back from the Middle East, we watched game seven.
[00:35:49]  Locked in.
[00:35:50]  And game seven pulled off.
[00:35:52]  We watched every fucking second of game seven.
[00:35:56]  You know why?
[00:35:57]  Because there was so much at stake and so many big things happened and so many stars and records that could be broken and all these other things.
[00:36:06]  And guess what?
[00:36:06]  People start giving a shit.
[00:36:08]  So is that what you're that's really interesting?
[00:36:10]  So with matchmaking, are those the conversations?
[00:36:12]  100%.
[00:36:13]  You're going, what are the stakes of this?
[00:36:15]  Two undefeated guys.
[00:36:16]  This is going to be a future division.
[00:36:17]  And you're doing that with as many cards on or many fights on the card as possible.
[00:36:21]  100%.
[00:36:22]  That's really at stake.
[00:36:23]  Yeah, because if I'm not invested, why?
[00:36:25]  It's the movie shit.
[00:36:26]  It's like, if I miss this movie in the theaters, in two weeks, it will be streaming.
[00:36:31]  What's at stake?
[00:36:33]  And that's the difference.
[00:36:34]  And that's the how do you do that matchmaking?
[00:36:36]  But I mean, with all the promotions, the different belts.
[00:36:40]  Well, he's carving that out.
[00:36:43]  No belts.
[00:36:45]  You'll fly for our belts.
[00:36:46]  He's UFC in boxing.
[00:36:48]  You sign all our fighters round up and rebuild it.
[00:36:51]  Wow.
[00:36:51]  Wow.
[00:36:53]  But everything in life and getting people invested is what's at stake.
[00:36:59]  And when you think about something like if it's not the fucking Red Sox or the Yankees or the, you know, especially in baseball, baseball is, you know, is getting a lot older and the game fucking takes forever, especially in the regular season.

=== Morgan Morgan Vampires (03:34) ===

[00:37:12]  There's 100 and something fucking games.
[00:37:13]  And, you know, it's not built for this day and age yet.
[00:37:20]  They pulled a massive number on game seven.
[00:37:23]  And I'm just being honest.
[00:37:25]  I'm a guy who could give a fuck about anybody.
[00:37:29]  I did every fucking second of game seven because there was so much at stake.
[00:37:33]  All right, guys, let's take a break for a second.
[00:37:35]  You show up to a blood drive.
[00:37:39]  Person in charge?
[00:37:40]  Who is he?
[00:37:41]  A vampire.
[00:37:42]  My God.
[00:37:43]  Oh, no.
[00:37:44]  Fantastic job for a person at a blood drive if you were a vampire.
[00:37:48]  Right?
[00:37:49]  Yeah.
[00:37:50]  Alcoholic working at a bar.
[00:37:52]  Yeah.
[00:37:53]  But what happens?
[00:37:54]  One sip and then what?
[00:37:56]  Your donation is gone.
[00:37:58]  Oh, shit.
[00:37:58]  It doesn't go to someone in need.
[00:38:00]  It doesn't go to someone who needs your blood in their body.
[00:38:03]  It goes right to the vampire who devours it.
[00:38:05]  Dr. Acua.
[00:38:07]  Damn, Mark.
[00:38:07]  That was crazy.
[00:38:08]  Dracula.
[00:38:09]  Yeah, we got it.
[00:38:11]  We got it, Mark.
[00:38:12]  We got it.
[00:38:13]  We got what you're talking about.
[00:38:15]  You didn't even believe in yourself when you did it, dude.
[00:38:17]  I missed it.
[00:38:18]  There's a reason why you wouldn't let a vampire run the blood drive.
[00:38:24]  Just like there's a reason why Morgan and Morgan is America's largest injury law firm.
[00:38:29]  Ah, when you have a problem, you want the experts to be on your side.
[00:38:36]  Not like some vampire in a disguise at the blood drive.
[00:38:41]  Oh, he's in disguise.
[00:38:43]  That's how he got away with it.
[00:38:44]  Dude, if he wasn't in a disguise, you would know it.
[00:38:49]  Exactly.
[00:38:51]  And then you wouldn't give him your blood.
[00:38:53]  Are you fucking crazy, Mark?
[00:38:56]  If you showed up and there was a vampire at the blood drive, you think you could give him your blood?
[00:39:00]  I was expecting 10 Jamaican women, but actually it's a Transylvanian guy in a cape.
[00:39:13]  Why is there a non-Claude is going on already?
[00:39:20]  Morgan and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting vampires for the people over 35 years now.
[00:39:28]  And non-vampires.
[00:39:29]  Yeah.
[00:39:30]  And non-vampires with over $25 billion recovered for their clients.
[00:39:35]  Morgan and Morgan knows a thing or two about fighting vamps.
[00:39:40]  God knows.
[00:39:41]  And to get you the compensation you deserve, hiring Morgan and Morgan, it's like hiring an army of vampires.
[00:39:49]  At a blood drive.
[00:39:51]  At a blood drive.
[00:39:53]  But it's also like hiring an army to go to battle.
[00:39:55]  They've got more than 1,000 lawyers in 100 offices nationwide.
[00:39:59]  If you're injured by someone else's negligence, you deserve to be paid.
[00:40:07]  Not all law firms are the same.
[00:40:10]  Hire the wrong one.
[00:40:13]  You may have two holes in your neck and live forever.
[00:40:18]  From her fanplay.
[00:40:20]  Yo, get that shit ready to go.
[00:40:22]  Okay?
[00:40:23]  You are the wrong one.
[00:40:24]  You may be beat before you even start.
[00:40:27]  If you're ever injured, you better hope there's no vampires near.
[00:40:39]  But if you do get injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan and their fee is free unless they win.

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[00:42:27]  You love vampire.
[00:42:32]  Let's get back to the show.
[00:42:33]  You love vampire.
[00:42:35]  When we were younger, there were these 24-7 documentaries on HBO for boxing.
[00:42:39]  You remember those?
[00:42:40]  Yep, of course.
[00:42:41]  And what I think they did is they created stakes for boxing casuals and people that weren't even boxing fans.
[00:42:47]  All of a sudden, they started to like fall in love with these people and realize what was on the line.
[00:42:52]  And F1 kind of did this also.
[00:42:54]  Dude, F1 did it and you found like Americans never gave a fuck about Formula One and they put out this drive to survive and all of a sudden, you know, chicks are finding the drivers cute and are they going to get married to this, you know, girlfriend that they're estranged with?
[00:43:06]  Yeah, inserting stakes.
[00:43:08]  I wonder if that's.
[00:43:11]  How do you just do away with all these promotional teams?
[00:43:14]  Because that's a lot of money.
[00:43:15]  They have fighters under their contract and stuff like that.
[00:43:18]  Like, how are you going to just be like, well, you know, if you look at the whole world, there's lots of up and coming guys.
[00:43:23]  So when you talk about them having these guys under contract, they got guys that are, you know, you got Tyson and Tyson Fury and all these other guys that are already big stars and everybody knows.
[00:43:37]  I'm going for all the guys that are going to be stars in five years.
[00:43:41]  You build this thing from the ground up.
[00:43:43]  Get rid of all the sanctioning organizations.
[00:43:45]  I'm not going to deal with the WBC and the IBF and the WBA.
[00:43:49]  Wow.
[00:43:50]  What type of pushback are you receiving from them?
[00:43:53]  Fuck them.
[00:43:54]  I don't give a shit.
[00:43:55]  They don't matter to me.
[00:43:57]  They can still run their business.
[00:43:58]  There's still going to be Eddie Hearn and all these other guys out there that still do it and will play by their rules.
[00:44:04]  But there's probably a lot of people that don't want this to happen.
[00:44:06]  Yeah.
[00:44:06]  And money behind this to stop it from happening.
[00:44:08]  We'll see.
[00:44:10]  We'll see how it plays out.
[00:44:11]  But you're not wrong.
[00:44:12]  You're not wrong.
[00:44:13]  You're right.
[00:44:13]  There's going to be chrono fighters.
[00:44:15]  That's what I'm starting to realize.
[00:44:16]  You need dangerous shit happening in your life constantly.
[00:44:20]  That go against me.
[00:44:22]  And that's part of the fun of it.
[00:44:23]  What if everybody one day just started loving you, Dana?
[00:44:27]  What would you do?
[00:44:28]  Would you just retire?
[00:44:29]  Retire.
[00:44:31]  I saw a clip of you talking recently about how you wanted to be a fighter.
[00:44:34]  And then you're like, oh, you know, I don't have it to be a fighter.
[00:44:37]  I think you're wrong.
[00:44:38]  I think you are a fighter in a different arena.
[00:44:41]  Everybody is in some way.
[00:44:43]  I mean, you guys all, we all fight different things every day in our normal life and in our professional life.
[00:44:50]  Mark has to fight to keep cocks out of his ass.
[00:44:53]  That's not true.
[00:44:54]  Hold on.
[00:44:54]  I don't fight it.
[00:45:01]  You don't look gay.
[00:45:03]  You don't look gay.
[00:45:04]  He has a losing record on that.
[00:45:08]  Professional fighter.
[00:45:10]  It's just such another level.
[00:45:11]  Oh, it's insane that normal people can't understand the way that these.
[00:45:16]  But this pressure of going up against these institutions of boxing is a different level that a lot of, you know, even fighters probably wouldn't want to deal with.
[00:45:24]  People are going to want to kill you.
[00:45:25]  Yeah.
[00:45:26]  I don't know about that.
[00:45:27]  You don't have that much money that you're going to just be taken away from an industry?
[00:45:31]  Yeah.
[00:45:31]  You don't think.
[00:45:32]  Yeah.
[00:45:33]  But is that like...
[00:45:34]  You're not worried about that?
[00:45:35]  Do you know?
[00:45:36]  Okay.
[00:45:37]  Does that go through your head when like you are starting to not when you're starting to disrupt business, when you're starting to disrupt these institutions?
[00:45:45]  Obviously, not everybody just says it out loud.
[00:45:48]  You know, like, are there people that are trying to, they'll send bots at you?
[00:45:51]  They'll try to make you look bad.
[00:45:53]  They'll try to, are there these other ways that they can try to malign you?
[00:45:57]  There's no doubt about it.
[00:45:58]  Yeah, that happens every day.
[00:46:00]  I mean, the way that I look at my life and my job and everything, I say every day, I get out of bed and I strap shit on and I go in and go to war.
[00:46:09]  I mean, that's, that's like a lesbian.
[00:46:11]  What we do every day.
[00:46:13]  Strap the shit on.
[00:46:17]  That's it.
[00:46:21]  But that's the idea.
[00:46:22]  Every single day you're like, I'm getting after this and it's going to be a fight every single day.
[00:46:28]  And then you take a vacation and it's probably miserable because you don't have to fight every single day.
[00:46:35]  My biggest trip is probably every year I go to Italy for like 10 days.
[00:46:38]  And yeah, by day six or seven, I'm confident a bit to get back to work.
[00:46:42]  Yeah.
[00:46:43]  What's the biggest challenge with taking the UFC model to boxing?
[00:46:46]  Is it these specific people?
[00:46:48]  Is it the quality of the fights?
[00:46:52]  I don't think that there's a real challenge in it.
[00:46:55]  I think that you're going to see over the next couple of months, there's a lot of people that are going to want to be with me.
[00:47:01]  One of the things that I do is the money gets spread out to everybody.
[00:47:05]  In boxing, a lot of these guys that are trying to make it make hundreds of dollars around to fight.
[00:47:13]  And there's this narrative out there that our fighters don't get paid.
[00:47:20]  And there's been plenty of competition for the UFC over the last 25 years.
[00:47:29]  But everybody always ends up with us.
[00:47:32]  And why is that?
[00:47:35]  It's because they're scared of you.
[00:47:36]  There's plenty of that.
[00:47:37]  I mean, the PFL is out there right now.
[00:47:39]  These guys have been, I mean, I don't know how much money they're upside down.
[00:47:43]  I know the one fighting championship is hundreds of millions of dollars that they've spent.
[00:47:49]  Yeah.
[00:47:49]  And who's propping it up?
[00:47:51]  I don't know.
[00:47:52]  I don't know.
[00:47:53]  Can't be fun, though.
[00:47:54]  So an interesting thing about like about MMA specifically, I don't know if this is something that you guys kind of created, but this is different than boxing.
[00:48:02]  And I'm curious if you change this for boxing.
[00:48:04]  Is that losses on your record does not deprive you of a career?
[00:48:09]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:48:10]  So when, you know, when I told you about ripping it down and rebuilding it, you know, when we were building the UFC, one of the things that I noticed is that, you know, our turtle got he kept signing contracts with HBO, win, lose, or draw.
[00:48:25]  And the reason is because people want to see great fights.
[00:48:28]  And what I always talk about is I sell holy shit moments for a living.
[00:48:31]  That's what I do.
[00:48:33]  And when you guys stay home, first of all, I got to get you to stay home every fucking Saturday.
[00:48:38]  Yeah.
[00:48:39]  Right.
[00:48:39]  And when you do, you know, you're putting off other things, whether it's going out that night, taking the wife out, doing stuff with the kids.
[00:48:47]  So what I can't have happen every fucking Saturday is you go, he got me again.
[00:48:52]  I should have fucking done something else, which was terrible.
[00:48:54]  Yeah, we got to feel like we're robbing you.
[00:48:57]  The fight's got to be so amazing that we're like, holy, it's got to be the World Series.
[00:49:00]  It's got to be a lot of fun.
[00:49:02]  Like, fuck, those were, and it doesn't have to be every fight.
[00:49:04]  I need three or four of those.
[00:49:06]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:07]  Three or four of those moments and watch some good fights, a variety of different things.
[00:49:11]  There were some knockouts, some submissions, you know, some fights that went the distance.
[00:49:15]  And at the end of the night, you feel whether you came to the event live, you stayed home and watched it, or you went to a bar and watched it, you feel like you got what you came to see.
[00:49:26]  Is there anything he had something that reminded me of something you said earlier?
[00:49:30]  You said John Jones pulled out of the Aspenol fight.
[00:49:32]  Is it because he's holding on?
[00:49:34]  And I love John Jones, but is it because he's holding on to that zero loss in the loss column?
[00:49:37]  Because you didn't say why.
[00:49:39]  Listen, there's a lot of things about John Jones.
[00:49:46]  You know, if you look at a lot of the things that he's done outside of the octagon, John Jones doesn't run from guys.
[00:49:55]  I don't think John is afraid of a single human being on this planet.
[00:49:59]  And here's the thing.
[00:49:59]  It's funny because people go after me for saying John's the goat.
[00:50:05]  What has John done that makes my business life so much fucking easier?
[00:50:10]  Wait, wait, why, why would they go after you for saying, like, is that a controversial statement to say that?
[00:50:14]  They're just fucking nuts, you know?
[00:50:15]  Who knows?
[00:50:15]  They're like, oh, Dana's fucking glazing John Jones and he's this and that.
[00:50:20]  He's the greatest of all fucking time.
[00:50:21]  Yeah.
[00:50:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:50:22]  It's not like John Jones has done so many great things for my business.
[00:50:26]  And to prop John Jones up again is, you know, John Jones is the fucking greatest of all time.
[00:50:31]  And for those of you that have to deal with it, I sat next to him with the sphere fight, him and his brothers.
[00:50:38]  R.I.P., one of them, actually.
[00:50:39]  I think one of them pissed past.
[00:50:40]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:41]  His brother just passed away.
[00:50:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:43]  But yeah, I don't think he's afraid at all.
[00:50:46]  Not even any man.
[00:50:48]  But it is interesting that the White House events elicits that.
[00:50:54]  Maybe it's stakes.
[00:50:55]  Maybe it's the excitement.
[00:50:56]  Maybe for a guy like him, where he is in his career, what gets him up, was it you that posted the Marvin Hagler thing?
[00:51:04]  Yeah.
[00:51:05]  I love Hagler, by the way, too.
[00:51:07]  So, but, and also did it right, like goes to Italy, becomes an actor, like gets the anyway.
[00:51:14]  But, but yeah, maybe that's what he needs.
[00:51:16]  Maybe he needs an event that big for him to go, okay, I'm going to dedicate myself the way I need to dedicate myself to get my body in shape to get my mind in shape to really prepare.
[00:51:27]  Like maybe he needs stakes to be that high.
[00:51:29]  Jones has, I mean, you've seen it so many times, has that dark side to him, like when him and Cormier don't think they're on camera and they're talking, they can hear each other, get ready to go on sports number or something.
[00:51:41]  And Cormier goes, I ought to come over there and spit in your face.
[00:51:47]  And Jones goes, you know, I'd kill you, right?
[00:51:51]  And DC goes, you could never kill me.
[00:51:53]  He goes, Daniel, I'd kill you.
[00:51:55]  If you ever spit in my face, and you look at John Jones, and there's another John Jones one where he's like all happy and he's at like some sponsored event, a sponsor, and some guy comes up and starts talking shit to him.
[00:52:07]  And John's got like this whole, Jesus Christ, is this really happening here?
[00:52:10]  And he's laughing and whatever.
[00:52:11]  And then the guy says something about his brothers, and you see the fucking switch, man.
[00:52:16]  And John goes, don't hold him back.
[00:52:19]  Stop holding him back.
[00:52:20]  Let him fucking go.
[00:52:21]  And then the guy that's trying to act whatever wasn't pushing as hard as he was.
[00:52:25]  You know what I mean?
[00:52:27]  It's a fucking great clip.
[00:52:29]  You got that one?
[00:52:31]  Hey, see if you can get that up.
[00:52:33]  Is there any fighter throughout your entire career that you've been afraid of?
[00:52:39]  I mean, you know, when we get up there and we do the face-offs, it's like some of these guys, like fucking Derek Lewis, when Derek Lewis, you know, he goes deep when they go to face-off.
[00:52:51]  And then I try to put like some pressure on these guys so they don't touch each other.
[00:52:56]  And when you get two of these heavyweights, like Derek Lewis and most of these other fucking heavyweights, you can just feel.
[00:53:03]  It's like, what the fuck?
[00:53:06]  It's just, hopefully it's just the level of respect that they won't go fucking great.
[00:53:10]  I'll end up in like the ninth row.
[00:53:14]  Powerful.
[00:53:15]  You could feel like the tension between them.
[00:53:17]  Oh, yeah.
[00:53:17]  Oh, yeah.
[00:53:18]  So you don't think that those moments are manufactured?
[00:53:20]  Like they really are trying to get after it in those days.
[00:53:23]  So you've been away from your family.
[00:53:25]  You're not eating.
[00:53:27]  You're fucking cutting weight.
[00:53:28]  You know, you got the pressure of the fight coming up.
[00:53:31]  It's like at that moment when they face off at the fucking weigh-ins, it's like they're so ready to go.
[00:53:37]  And you just, you know, our whole job is to, because what fans love is that fucking face-off.
[00:53:44]  Who looks scared?
[00:53:45]  Who looks fucking, you know, who looks in shape?
[00:53:47]  Who looks good?
[00:53:48]  Watch this.
[00:54:10]  And that's what they're doing.
[00:54:12]  He backs up.
[00:54:13]  Don't hold him back.
[00:54:13]  We need to hold him back immediately.
[00:54:15]  Yeah, all of a sudden that guy started to get back.
[00:54:16]  Look how easy it was for that guy to just go, hey, let's get on moving very easily.
[00:54:20]  You're right.
[00:54:20]  Yeah, John looks at him and says, don't hold him back anymore.
[00:54:23]  Whoa.
[00:54:23]  That's crazy.
[00:54:24]  That's scary.
[00:54:25]  Okay, so Derek, it was just pure, like, there's size here.
[00:54:29]  And God forbid he swung, eclipsed you, you're gone.
[00:54:32]  But has there even been a fighter where you're like, I don't know.
[00:54:35]  Like, I don't know if this guy likes me.
[00:54:37]  And I don't know.
[00:54:38]  I mean, I don't know if any of them like me.
[00:54:42]  Trust me, I've had my moments with plenty of fighters.
[00:54:45]  And, you know, yeah.
[00:54:47]  I don't ever talk about all of that.
[00:54:50]  Has Dana Wayne got a little story for us?
[00:54:52]  Behind the scenes shit goes on every fucking week.
[00:54:55]  Really?
[00:54:55]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:56]  Yeah.
[00:54:56]  Is there anything you could bestow upon the boys?
[00:55:01]  I guess the one I will tell you is, you know, some of them have been public and most of them have not.
[00:55:08]  But, you know, everybody has this thing about Francis and Gagne.
[00:55:12]  Francis and Gagne is a bad guy.
[00:55:16]  He's not a good guy.
[00:55:17]  He plays the whole, I don't understand the language.
[00:55:20]  And he tries to come off like he's a fucking nice guy.
[00:55:22]  You know what I mean?
[00:55:24]  And people go, oh, the language barrier probably.
[00:55:27]  No, there's no fucking language barrier with this guy.
[00:55:31]  He's a bad guy.

=== Francis Private Plane (02:54) ===

[00:55:32]  And I told my guys, you know, I wanted to cut him early.
[00:55:36]  And two of my matchmaker guys were like, oh, no, you don't understand.
[00:55:39]  I said, guys, let me tell you a story.
[00:55:42]  When somebody shows you who they are, believe them.
[00:55:46]  Believe them.
[00:55:47]  And this guy has shown.
[00:55:49]  So he's going in to fight Stipe Miocic in Boston.
[00:55:53]  And he knows he's going to fucking kill Stipe, right?
[00:55:57]  So after the press conference, we're walking down this hallway and he comes over to me and he grabs me and he says, let me tell you what's going to happen.
[00:56:08]  His English is fucking great.
[00:56:10]  Okay.
[00:56:11]  No language barrier whatsoever.
[00:56:13]  When this fight's over, you're going to book me a private plane to Paris.
[00:56:19]  And I said, I laughed and said, oh, yeah, he goes, I'm not joking.
[00:56:24]  You're going to book me a private plane to Paris.
[00:56:28]  Okay.
[00:56:30]  So we go our own ways.
[00:56:31]  Stipe Miocic beats the fucking shit out of him.
[00:56:35]  Beats the shit out of him.
[00:56:38]  So that ended that whole conversation.
[00:56:42]  And I should have fucking cut him that day.
[00:56:45]  Then he comes up.
[00:56:48]  So when this guy was.
[00:56:49]  So this is the first time they.
[00:56:51]  Yeah, this is our first sort of sort of running.
[00:56:54]  Yeah, the first.
[00:56:54]  Yeah.
[00:56:55]  So then, you know, when you're an athlete that's signed by the UFC, you, you know, you get full access to the Performance Institute.
[00:57:06]  And, you know, you can eat there for free.
[00:57:08]  Everything's free and do all this stuff.
[00:57:10]  This guy was fucking living there, right?
[00:57:13]  And he had just fought.
[00:57:14]  And he comes up to my office.
[00:57:18]  And, you know, he's in the hallway or whatever hanging out.
[00:57:21]  And I said, come on, what's going on?
[00:57:23]  And he was pissed off that he didn't get a $50,000 bonus in his last fight, that he didn't get the bonus of the night.
[00:57:32]  And I said, well, Francis, you didn't get it because this, that.
[00:57:36]  And he's in my office and he's arguing with me.
[00:57:39]  And I'm like, yeah, this guy got this.
[00:57:43]  This guy got that.
[00:57:44]  And this is why.
[00:57:45]  So the conversation's over.
[00:57:48]  I'm starting to leave.
[00:57:49]  And he grabs me by my shirt.
[00:57:51]  Fuck.
[00:57:52]  And like pushes me back in my office.
[00:57:53]  And I said, dude, get your fucking hands off me.
[00:57:57]  Those were the words that came out of you when Francis and Guy grabbed you by the shirt.
[00:58:01]  Yeah.
[00:58:02]  Wow.
[00:58:02]  And, you know, it would have been like, I hated this.
[00:58:07]  It's like, just snuggled me this shirt.
[00:58:10]  But it's no, I could see in this guy's face and in his eyes and the way he's acting who this guy really fucking is, you know?
[00:58:21]  And, you know, then my guy Hunter was, they were talking about something.

=== Betting Irregularities (11:39) ===

[00:58:26]  It might even have been the same thing.
[00:58:28]  And when Hunter started to walk away, Francis grabbed him by the fucking back of his collar and fucking pulled him back.
[00:58:34]  Said, we're not done talking yet.
[00:58:36]  Wow.
[00:58:36]  Yeah.
[00:58:37]  So there's a lot that went into your dissolved relationship.
[00:58:41]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:58:42]  So this guy's not a good fucking guy.
[00:58:44]  He's a bad guy.
[00:58:45]  And if you look now, now he's over and he's done a deal with PFL and Saudi Arabia.
[00:58:51]  And now he's asking to fight, you know, me and John Jones need to fight and fucking, you know, I'm sure they wish they never fucking signed him.
[00:59:01]  You know what I mean?
[00:59:02]  Yeah.
[00:59:02]  And I don't have to hear one word from any of those guys over there to know because I know I've dealt with him.
[00:59:07]  I know who he really is.
[00:59:09]  Yeah.
[00:59:10]  Yeah.
[00:59:11]  Yeah, that's unfortunate.
[00:59:13]  Yeah, it's always, those are the tricky things when you like, you have an idea.
[00:59:17]  And I never talk about this type of shit publicly, but I feel felt like after the conversation in the hall and all the other shit happened.
[00:59:24]  You got to give us a little bit of a warn I'm willing to give you.
[00:59:26]  I guess it's that one.
[00:59:27]  I mean, yeah, I can imagine that that's got to be the truth.
[00:59:30]  But these type of things happen, you know?
[00:59:32]  Yeah.
[00:59:33]  We're in the killer business, man.
[00:59:36]  These guys are fucking killers.
[00:59:37]  And, and, you know.
[00:59:39]  Are there certain guys that you think they don't have the kill instinct in them, but they're incredible athletes and amazing martial artists?
[00:59:47]  100%.
[00:59:47]  So, like a Wonderboy, for example, like maybe he's, maybe he's a dark dude on another side.
[00:59:51]  Right.
[00:59:52]  Like, amazing.
[00:59:52]  I don't think he's a good person.
[00:59:53]  I mean, he seems like he doesn't.
[00:59:54]  He's probably a bad example.
[00:59:58]  He's a talented, great, amazingly talented and seems like a good dude.
[01:00:02]  And like, I feel like if he permanently injured someone in the ring, he would probably feel a little bad about it.
[01:00:07]  Like, I think he seems to be a little bit more.
[01:00:07]  I think he'd feel a lot of bad about it.
[01:00:09]  I mean, one of the things that, you know, I'm going into boxing in the almost 30-year history of the UFC, there's never been a death or serious injury.
[01:00:20]  You know, we spend a shitload of money on health and safety to make sure that these guys are whatever.
[01:00:25]  Now, in boxing, you know, three, four, five guys die a year.
[01:00:28]  Dude, it's wow.
[01:00:30]  How are you going to stop that?
[01:00:31]  Spend the money on health and safety.
[01:00:34]  So we make sure that we know most of the damage that happens to these guys is training for the fight.
[01:00:41]  You know how much shit we catch in the UFC by making sure that these guys do all the right shit?
[01:00:47]  And it's not cheap.
[01:00:48]  What do you mean?
[01:00:49]  MRIs and, you know.
[01:00:51]  Oh, so this is the advantage of having that fight facility.
[01:00:55]  Well, no, it's fucking expensive.
[01:00:58]  You spend shitloads of money to make sure that these guys go to the doctors and get all the proper shit done so that you know a healthy guy or girl is stepping into the octagon that's not.
[01:01:09]  But it's huge for the business.
[01:01:10]  I mean, like, it's everything.
[01:01:12]  It's obviously huge for the business, but it's huge for me.
[01:01:17]  Personally, I don't know how I would react to that happening.
[01:01:22]  I don't know if I could deal with that.
[01:01:26]  And I don't want to.
[01:01:28]  I don't ever want to fucking know.
[01:01:30]  Boxing is peculiar in that way.
[01:01:31]  So we will spend the money.
[01:01:33]  But it's also like the nature of UFC is like when you concuss somebody, they might get hit one more time if the ref doesn't jump in.
[01:01:41]  But that fight is pretty much over.
[01:01:43]  With boxing, they let you get back up.
[01:01:45]  Well, and it's not even that as much as it is leading up to a big fight, right?
[01:01:53]  How many punches do you take sparring, preparing for that fight?
[01:01:57]  Jim Warriors.
[01:01:57]  What happens with the UFC guys is they're going to do some sparring, but they're doing grappling and they're fucking, you know, all this.
[01:02:03]  James Tony was going hundreds of rounds a week.
[01:02:06]  Through hundreds of rounds.
[01:02:08]  And you see the unfortunate damage on guys like the guys who get a little bit punchy.
[01:02:13]  Yeah, it is a different.
[01:02:15]  It makes sense.
[01:02:16]  It's like that's your league.
[01:02:16]  You're investing in your players.
[01:02:18]  So just like NBA, NFL.
[01:02:20]  You got to keep them healthy.
[01:02:21]  But like you said, the sparring is throwing punches.
[01:02:24]  So how do you do you limit the sparring?
[01:02:25]  What would you do?
[01:02:26]  There's, you know, you can't limit the sparring.
[01:02:28]  What you do is you just, you have to stay on top of the health and safety issues and make sure that we know.
[01:02:33]  But some guys do it less.
[01:02:35]  Max was saying that he.
[01:02:36]  Most of the people that die are the guys that go in and have a pre-existing thing from sparring and getting ready for the fight.
[01:02:44]  They're brainble already there.
[01:02:46]  And we do notice these things with UFC guys.
[01:02:49]  I mean, we've had guys who have had aneurysms and all kinds of shit leading up to a fight.
[01:02:54]  We catch it and pull the fight.
[01:02:57]  Dude, we've had people retire.
[01:02:59]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:01]  So there's, I saw you talking about that, the Dulgarian guy in the gambling.
[01:03:06]  Yeah.
[01:03:06]  And you've seen it happen with the NBA.
[01:03:08]  We had like shams on here and stuff like that.
[01:03:10]  Do you know who he is?
[01:03:11]  He's the guy who like drops all the way.
[01:03:14]  Breaks all the information.
[01:03:15]  Like this guy's getting traded.
[01:03:16]  Yada yada.
[01:03:17]  An interesting thing happens with the shams kind of interview and also this John Tay Porter guy.
[01:03:22]  I don't know if you heard of him, but he was playing for the Raptors and he did like some stuff.
[01:03:26]  So there's these things that exist now, these prop bets, right?
[01:03:29]  Especially in sports, like under four rebounds or something.
[01:03:32]  If you're like a bench player, it's very easy to get three rebounds, pull yourself out of the game, be like, oh, my back hurts.
[01:03:36]  I want to sit.
[01:03:37]  What is interesting about like the idea of like the fixing of these sporting events coming out is that I don't think the people gambling knew that the gambling companies were aware of big money being put.
[01:03:51]  You know what I'm talking about?
[01:03:53]  So, like, for example, when they see big money being put on an obscure bet, that's flagged in a system.
[01:04:00]  So, a lot of people are talking about like gambling in sports as, oh my God, this is a big deal.
[01:04:04]  And there are going to be fights that are fixed or whatever it is, which I want to get your take on.
[01:04:09]  But is there a version where like this is the reason why you want to make gambling legal, not illegal?
[01:04:17]  Because now you can flag this type of activity.
[01:04:20]  100%.
[01:04:20]  The more data that you can collect, you know, you have these bet monitoring systems out there and they see irregular stuff happening.
[01:04:28]  You know, there's the goofy clickbait that's all over the internet.
[01:04:32]  We're hearing that hundreds of fights are being no, they're not.
[01:04:35]  Right.
[01:04:35]  There were two.
[01:04:36]  Okay.
[01:04:37]  Two that were being checked out.
[01:04:40]  What was the other one?
[01:04:41]  It was one of them.
[01:04:42]  This was one of them.
[01:04:43]  And I can't remember the other one, but it was connected to a whole team of guys.
[01:04:48]  Yeah.
[01:04:48]  And James Kraus was, you know, the coach of all these guys.
[01:04:52]  Okay.
[01:04:52]  Yeah.
[01:04:53]  He's being looked at in this whole thing.
[01:04:55]  Could you break that down?
[01:04:56]  Because I don't get what actually.
[01:04:58]  Yeah.
[01:04:58]  So what happened was the day, the day of the fight, which was a couple weeks ago, the bet monitoring system hit us up at like one o'clock in the afternoon.
[01:05:09]  And they said there's some irregular shit going on with this fight.
[01:05:12]  You know, there's big bets on this kid to lose in the first round.
[01:05:17]  This is not like a big name in the sport.
[01:05:19]  Right.
[01:05:19]  Right.
[01:05:20]  Like it was a fight night at the apex.
[01:05:22]  Oh, wow.
[01:05:23]  And it was, you know, it wasn't a high-level fight.
[01:05:26]  Okay.
[01:05:27]  So, but the odds were huge.
[01:05:30]  The guy that they were betting on to lose in the first round was like a four-to-one favorite, a three-to-one favorite or something like that to win the fight.
[01:05:38]  Got it.
[01:05:39]  So only somebody that might know a little something would put that kind of bread on a bet like that.
[01:05:44]  So they called us and told us, and our lawyer called the fighter and his lawyer.
[01:05:49]  They're already at the apex and warming up and said, there's some irregular betting going on on you right now, losing the first round.
[01:05:59]  Are you hurt?
[01:06:01]  Because the guy could be hurt and guys in his team know it, but nobody else knows it.
[01:06:07]  Do you owe anybody money?
[01:06:09]  Has anybody asked you to ask him this before the fight?
[01:06:13]  Yeah.
[01:06:14]  Whoa.
[01:06:15]  Before the fight?
[01:06:15]  Holy shit.
[01:06:17]  And his lawyer.
[01:06:18]  Right?
[01:06:19]  Oh, wow.
[01:06:20]  So then they said, fuck no.
[01:06:22]  What?
[01:06:22]  This is weird.
[01:06:23]  No, absolutely not.
[01:06:24]  I'm going to kill this guy.
[01:06:25]  Blah, So we said, okay.
[01:06:27]  So we let the fight go.
[01:06:29]  And then we're sitting there and the fucking fight goes to the ground.
[01:06:33]  The kid gets his back.
[01:06:34]  And I'm like, he's got him in a fucking rear naked choke.
[01:06:38]  So I call my chief operating officer.
[01:06:40]  I said, he's got his back.
[01:06:43]  Oh, he got out of it.
[01:06:44]  Oh, no, he's back in it.
[01:06:45]  Oh, that fucking fight's over.
[01:06:47]  Finished.
[01:06:48]  And my chief operating officer goes, motherfucker.
[01:06:52]  I literally went in the back and called the FBI.
[01:06:55]  Wow.
[01:06:56]  Holy shit.
[01:06:57]  Okay, okay.
[01:06:57]  Went right in the back and called the FBI.
[01:06:59]  Okay.
[01:06:59]  The FBI fucking showed up, you know, on Monday.
[01:07:03]  We walked him through everything, and now there's a full-blown investigation.
[01:07:07]  I will be the one that will bury you.
[01:07:10]  I will fucking bury you.
[01:07:12]  Well, yeah, you need to.
[01:07:13]  Yeah.
[01:07:13]  Because it protects the brands.
[01:07:15]  You need to protect the sport.
[01:07:18]  To come into any league and start fixing or throwing, you know, fucking fights or games or any of that shit.
[01:07:27]  Yeah.
[01:07:28]  I can't imagine that's the first time, like, you haven't had other instances.
[01:07:32]  Yeah.
[01:07:32]  So, one other time that something was flagged, and that was the James Krauss's camp thing that I was telling you about.
[01:07:40]  And that's what sort of kick-started this whole thing.
[01:07:43]  Now, once the betting service calls us and lets us know there's some irregular activity, yeah, we're all over it.
[01:07:51]  So, that's so that's it's so it's not like you know, you see things online and they're like the FBI is investigating them and all this shit.
[01:08:00]  I called the FBI.
[01:08:01]  Yeah, I called the fucking FBI.
[01:08:03]  It's like it's it's so fucking crucial.
[01:08:05]  Also, also, sometimes you don't even need to.
[01:08:07]  Like with the NBA, the FBI was notified first, and they started notifying the teams.
[01:08:12]  And they set up something where like they saw the irregular betting pattern happen once and they didn't clip the guy and they waited for it to happen again.
[01:08:19]  And on the second time, they arrested.
[01:08:21]  And there was another player where it happened once and then he never did it again.
[01:08:26]  So they weren't able.
[01:08:27]  They were like sitting there waiting for almost like a sting operation for him to do the betting.
[01:08:31]  So betting is so regulated.
[01:08:34]  So this is okay.
[01:08:34]  And like you were saying when you started this whole thing, when you have more of like if it's a guy with a leather jacket in a bar and you're doing a prop bet, yeah, you could fix things easier.
[01:08:44]  When you have these things that are itemized and you know the exact volume of the bets and something gets irregular, it's going to be flagged.
[01:08:51]  But I do think it's important for you to speak on that because people don't maybe understand why it is actually safer and how like I think the people that are fixed trying to fix these things and the fighter trying to throw it, they're too stupid to realize that it's going to get flagged.
[01:09:06]  The more people that realize this stuff gets flagged won't bet on legitimate betting platforms because they'll be worried they'll get caught.
[01:09:14]  So when we sat down and talked to the FBI, the FBI already fucking knows where they bet.
[01:09:19]  It's what they do.
[01:09:21]  You know how fucking stupid you have to be to do this and to be a fighter?
[01:09:25]  So how do you punish them then?
[01:09:27]  To throw a fight?
[01:09:28]  Is that like lifetime ban from anything?
[01:09:30]  There's a fucking meme out of me out there saying federal fucking prison.
[01:09:34]  You're going to go to federal prison.
[01:09:37]  And that ain't like going to the fucking, you know, the jail down here.
[01:09:40]  Federal prison is.
[01:09:41]  Fez is better than jail.
[01:09:43]  Fez is kind of nice compared to jail.
[01:09:45]  Jail for a while.
[01:09:47]  I would have to start streaming experts.
[01:09:50]  That's what they say.
[01:09:51]  Fed time is a little nicer than if you're talking about Fed time being like the country fucking crime you're talking about.
[01:09:59]  That is the worst thing.
[01:10:01]  Okay, Lee, we got to fight it for you.
[01:10:03]  Yeah, this isn't a white collar facility.

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=== Pay Per View Pride (14:59) ===

[01:13:57]  I saw this clip the other day of Nick Diaz and Nate Diaz saying that he got into it with you like at a club or something.
[01:14:04]  Nick Diaz was actually the one in the middle of it cooling everything down.
[01:14:09]  We were drinking and yeah, that was, but this shit, it's like when he said that and that clip went viral, everybody's like, oh shit, this shit happens every fucking week.
[01:14:20]  Is this like not stupid shit in a bar like that, but we were out for the when the ultimate fighter would end, I would take everybody out.
[01:14:31]  And, you know, he was with one of the teams and that's how that went down.
[01:14:35]  But yeah, shit goes on every week.
[01:14:38]  And this is the stuff that you have to assume we're in the fight business of the crazy shit goes on in this business, but it's not something you just fucking run around talking about.
[01:14:48]  Yeah.
[01:14:49]  Yeah, that's like you got to keep, what is it, family politics with the family.
[01:14:53]  100%.
[01:14:54]  Yeah.
[01:14:54]  How is the Paramount deal changing the league?
[01:14:58]  So what I love about the Paramount, there's a lot of things I love about the Paramount deal, but if you look at the investment they've made, what does that tell you?
[01:15:09]  Tells you they're going to fucking do everything they can to help make The brand and sport bigger.
[01:15:16]  And these guys are so fired up to be in business with us, the whole team from CBS to Paramount.
[01:15:22]  And it's really been a great experience already.
[01:15:25]  And we haven't even started working together yet.
[01:15:27]  So I'm really looking forward to it.
[01:15:30]  I was just doing an interview with a student the other day from USC.
[01:15:35]  And in the interview, he said, Wow, you know, you're Dana White.
[01:15:38]  You did the UFC.
[01:15:38]  You don't have to prove yourself.
[01:15:40]  I said, You're wrong.
[01:15:41]  I literally, I'm coming out of a seven-year relationship, going into a new seven-year relationship with a duff with a different partner.
[01:15:50]  And yeah, I got to prove myself all over again.
[01:15:52]  I'm going into boxing.
[01:15:54]  You got to prove yourself again.
[01:15:56]  You know, everybody's shitting on power slapping.
[01:15:58]  It's not going to be prove myself over here.
[01:16:00]  We just started a jiu-jitsu league.
[01:16:02]  Got to prove every day when you get up.
[01:16:05]  You can't be living on shit you did yesterday.
[01:16:08]  You got to, you got to prove yourself every day.
[01:16:11]  Do you feel proud of yourself?
[01:16:12]  You ever feel proud of yourself?
[01:16:14]  Um, I don't know if I would say I feel proud.
[01:16:18]  Um, I'm always looking at what's next.
[01:16:22]  Uh, what aren't we doing right now?
[01:16:25]  Do you allow yourself to look at what you've done and be like, God damn, that's crazy from where I came to where I am?
[01:16:32]  Yeah, I guess so.
[01:16:34]  Not really, but like, is there not a moment where you're looking at like an Instagram post of the Paramount deal and you're just looking at the size of it and you just go, Wow, like I went through a lot of shit and built something with a lot of great we bought our way onto TV for $10 million.
[01:16:55]  I mean, that story is awesome.
[01:16:56]  Yeah, but like, is there not a lot of people?
[01:16:58]  Those are all good stories and whatever, but yeah.
[01:17:01]  And yeah, we got 7.7 billion, but now we got to go deliver for the next seven years.
[01:17:08]  That's how I look at it.
[01:17:09]  So now the monkey's on your back.
[01:17:10]  It's not like, yay, we got seven, you know, it's like, fucking, now we got to deliver.
[01:17:14]  Yeah.
[01:17:14]  The president of the United States looked at me and said, why don't we do a fight at the White House?
[01:17:18]  And I said, yes.
[01:17:20]  Now, now we have to deliver.
[01:17:22]  Yeah.
[01:17:23]  You know, it's never about, I, I, you know, oh, I'm so proud of myself for fucking wow.
[01:17:28]  Look at what we know.
[01:17:29]  I mean, personally, I want you to be proud of yourself, but as a fan, don't.
[01:17:35]  Personally, I want that for you.
[01:17:36]  And as a fan, it only takes you a couple of deal unfulfilled.
[01:17:39]  Yeah.
[01:17:39]  Yeah.
[01:17:40]  Are you worried at all that now that there's no more pay-per-view, like maybe there's less excitement to have to tune in on a Saturday?
[01:17:47]  Cause they know, like, oh, I can get it for free.
[01:17:48]  No, I mean, if you look at the fans are not stupid, right?
[01:17:53]  Fans know what's up.
[01:17:54]  It's like, um, you're always going to have the fucking dildo from the guy who's worried about it.
[01:18:07]  He has a white guy every day.
[01:18:10]  I was talking about the guy from the stream the other day that's talking shit about a fight before it happened.
[01:18:17]  When a card ends, judge it.
[01:18:18]  And if it's bad, I'll be the first one to say it's bad.
[01:18:21]  But as we get into this new deal and it's on Paramount every Saturday, the fans know when there's good fight.
[01:18:28]  Everybody's buzzing about this Saturday.
[01:18:30]  Yeah.
[01:18:30]  As they should be.
[01:18:31]  This card is incredible.
[01:18:32]  So I actually think for consumption patterns now, the fact that if you already have the streaming platform, you'll be able to consume it opposed to the pay-per-view model.
[01:18:44]  I actually think that that would be huge for viewership.
[01:18:46]  Way bigger.
[01:18:47]  First of all, the ESPN Plus model, you had to pay for ESPN Plus, then you had to pay for the pay-per-views.
[01:18:54]  It was like $1,200 a year to be a UFC fan.
[01:18:58]  It's $100 a year to be a UFC fan now.
[01:19:02]  It's fantastic.
[01:19:03]  But just in terms of the fact that there's so many different things to consume, back to what we were talking about, like movies, we're so bifurcated in what we're consuming.
[01:19:12]  The fact that I know I can watch the UFC and stream it immediately.
[01:19:16]  There's no hang-ups, nothing in the way.
[01:19:18]  It's almost like what I felt with watching football games on YouTube TV or watching basketball games.
[01:19:23]  It's like it was so easily accessible right on my phone, no matter where I was.
[01:19:28]  Yeah, I think this will be huge.
[01:19:30]  Huge.
[01:19:31]  Is this going to affect fighter pay?
[01:19:33]  Because sometimes they would get a piece of the pay-per-view.
[01:19:36]  Yes, they did, but we can work that out for seven points.
[01:19:39]  Yeah, now how are you going to?
[01:19:43]  Yeah.
[01:19:44]  So, you know, when you start breaking down how it used to work if you were a world champion, you can do the math to figure out what's going on.
[01:19:55]  Oh, there's a bare men for what a world champ gets, but now that can go.
[01:20:00]  Going back to something Andrew was bringing up earlier, I think one of the things that helps the sport grow and penetrate all cultures is like superstars.
[01:20:07]  I don't know Kali Shi Al Danu's a great fighter, blah, blah, blah.
[01:20:10]  Who do you think is a superstar that's coming?
[01:20:12]  Like a Connor McGregor type, a John Jones type?
[01:20:14]  Who's a young fighter that you're like, that guy got it?
[01:20:17]  Because apparently Connor, you knew right away.
[01:20:19]  When we do the, yeah, well, Connor and Ronda are like, and Chuck Liddell was that for me too.
[01:20:26]  The old owners of the UFC didn't like Chuck Liddell and didn't like his mohawk and a bunch of other weird shit.
[01:20:32]  But I always thought Chuck could be a big star.
[01:20:35]  And more importantly, I knew Chuck could fight.
[01:20:40]  And that's really the key.
[01:20:41]  The key is when you find somebody, Connor was, you know, the unicorn, maybe?
[01:20:49]  Yeah, in a way, because I didn't know if he could fight, but when I had dinner with him, his fucking personality was so off the charts.
[01:20:57]  I'm like, everybody's going to love this fucking guy.
[01:21:01]  And if he can even fight a little bit, he can be big.
[01:21:04]  The question is, like I told you guys earlier, what's at stake?
[01:21:08]  Can he be a world champion?
[01:21:10]  That's the, you know, if you want to find these kids, male and female, that you think have the potential to be world champions.
[01:21:19]  Now, the first time I ever met Ronda Rousey, she grabbed me at a weigh-in and said, could you give me 10 minutes?
[01:21:26]  And I had known who she was because I'd seen her, you know, and I knew she could fight.
[01:21:32]  So we went back into the back room in the green room at the arena and we talked for probably 20 minutes.
[01:21:41]  And I was, there was no fucking way I was doing women's fighting.
[01:21:45]  Now, what you have to remember at this time is I was still trying to sell men to get on TV and none of the fucking networks wanted it.
[01:21:53]  Who wants to see this pretty girl up against the fence, getting her fucking face smashed in with elbows?
[01:21:59]  I'm like, you know, people hate seeing the guys that this happened to.
[01:22:03]  So that was my mindset back then.
[01:22:06]  I was the guy that was flying around meeting with all, just think about it.
[01:22:09]  I'm flying around meeting with all these 65-year-old editors of the paper, of the newspaper.
[01:22:17]  That still existed when we started with this thing.
[01:22:19]  And they're all ball and stick guys.
[01:22:21]  They know boxing.
[01:22:22]  They're never going to get fucking UFC.
[01:22:24]  And my attitude was this.
[01:22:26]  These guys are all going to be fucking gone.
[01:22:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:22:30]  Within the next 10 years.
[01:22:32]  And there'll be a whole group of younger guys that hopefully we can.
[01:22:35]  It was the guy.
[01:22:36]  Burke Sugar.
[01:22:36]  They got this.
[01:22:38]  So if you think about what I was dealing with at that time, and then to think about women.
[01:22:42]  So I go in and I start talking to Rhonda for like 20 minutes, 10 minutes into the conversation.
[01:22:47]  I'm like, holy fucking shit.
[01:22:49]  Star.
[01:22:50]  I might do this.
[01:22:51]  She's the one.
[01:22:52]  I think she's the one that if I'm going to bring women into the UFC, I can launch the whole thing with her.
[01:22:58]  I didn't know that that's what the role she played in female UFC.
[01:23:02]  She opened the door for women.
[01:23:04]  Boy, what is it about her?
[01:23:05]  Would have never happened.
[01:23:06]  Everything about her.
[01:23:07]  The confidence in herself, the way she talked, the things she said she was going to do.
[01:23:11]  I've dealt with those type of personalities before, and I fucking knew 10 minutes in.
[01:23:16]  As soon as I walked out of the meeting with her, I called Lorenzo and I said, you know, I'm going to fucking believe this.
[01:23:22]  I think I'm going to do this women's thing, man.
[01:23:24]  I'm going to do it.
[01:23:25]  That's awesome.
[01:23:26]  I think this woman, Rhonda, is the one to do it with.
[01:23:30]  So then when I moved forward with it and I made her the headliner in Anaheim, and the co-main event was Dan Henderson and I think Machita.
[01:23:44]  I don't remember, but I remember the fucking backlash that I got from that was like, holy shit.
[01:23:51]  Yeah, I guess women do deal with some fucking shit that I got from this thing.
[01:23:58]  It wasn't until that moment.
[01:24:00]  No, seriously.
[01:24:02]  No, seriously.
[01:24:03]  The fucking shit that was being said online about the fact that these women were the headliner of this.
[01:24:11]  Why did you make it?
[01:24:12]  Was it not a championship bout between Leoto and was at the point in time needed to be a championship?
[01:24:17]  I don't think it was.
[01:24:18]  Yeah.
[01:24:19]  I don't think it was a championship fight.
[01:24:23]  And the championship fight's always going to fucking headline.
[01:24:26]  And if you're going to fucking go, go, right.
[01:24:28]  So leading up to that thing, the backlash and all the people talking shit and all the stuff.
[01:24:33]  Then that night we're in Anaheim, fucking sold out, right?
[01:24:37]  And the minute she fucking walked out, I was like, you made the right decision.
[01:24:42]  What?
[01:24:43]  The fucking place erupted and went crazy.
[01:24:44]  Oh, they were in.
[01:24:45]  And when she won, the place went crazy.
[01:24:47]  And then Ronda Rousey was a fucking rocket ship after that, you know?
[01:24:53]  But yeah, it was pretty weird to, you know.
[01:24:59]  I did not expect that type of backlash.
[01:25:02]  You thought that they were going to support you.
[01:25:05]  I didn't know if it was going to be supportive or if it was going to work or whatever.
[01:25:08]  I think you just think it'll happen and maybe there's some backlash, but then the level probably is like if I was going to do it, she was the one to do it with and launched the whole thing.
[01:25:17]  And then behind her came Joanne Jay Check, who's a bad little motherfucker.
[01:25:22]  You know what I mean?
[01:25:23]  And you just started to see women's boxing was always more like a novelty.
[01:25:30]  Like they had no fucking defense.
[01:25:33]  Yeah.
[01:25:34]  So then these girls are coming out.
[01:25:36]  Their technique is unbelievable, knocking girls out.
[01:25:40]  It's finishes.
[01:25:41]  I think finishes are huge.
[01:25:42]  And you weren't seeing that in female boxing, dude.
[01:25:44]  Do you think that's a good thing?
[01:25:44]  The co-main event this Saturday.
[01:25:46]  So Shinko versus Whaley.
[01:25:49]  And when you talk about a super fight, you're talking about two different girls in two different weight classes that are agreeing to it.
[01:25:54]  And the number one versus number two pound for pound in the world.
[01:25:58]  That's a fucking super fight.
[01:25:59]  Which fight is 50?
[01:26:00]  And both of these women are nasty.
[01:26:03]  Nasty.
[01:26:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:26:04]  Okay.
[01:26:05]  Well, see, can we get that whole card up?
[01:26:07]  Because what do you think about Jack?
[01:26:11]  I think the kid's unbelievable.
[01:26:13]  He hasn't lost a fight in 10 years.
[01:26:15]  Yeah.
[01:26:15]  He's on an 18-fight win streak.
[01:26:18]  Islam is on like a 15-fight win streak.
[01:26:20]  He's about to tie the UFC record for, you know.
[01:26:24]  The consecutive victory.
[01:26:25]  Yep.
[01:26:25]  But Islam's coming up.
[01:26:28]  And Jack, let's not forget, he just beat Bilal Muhammad, you know, who's a tough, durable dude.
[01:26:37]  I was.
[01:26:38]  And a problem for everybody he fought before Jack.
[01:26:42]  I was impressed at Jack's ability to keep it standing.
[01:26:46]  And if he can manage to do that with Islam, not wrong.
[01:26:49]  That is going to be.
[01:26:50]  Now, Islam can strike too.
[01:26:52]  That's the thing that I think a lot of people aren't considering with this.
[01:26:54]  Like, there's this idea that, like, oh, he's Daghestani.
[01:26:56]  It's just the wrestling.
[01:26:57]  Like, no, no, Islam's got striking.
[01:27:00]  Khabib and Islam are different fighters.
[01:27:04]  And the question is about Islam, too.
[01:27:06]  Will he be even more of a beast because he doesn't have to put all that weight?
[01:27:09]  Wait, that's yeah, Leon's back there.
[01:27:13]  Sean, I love Sean Brady, man.
[01:27:15]  Yeah, this Pradus Edwards fight so awesome.
[01:27:18]  Pradus is another one.
[01:27:19]  You have these guys that come up, these like characters that are just so endearing.
[01:27:23]  Murab's another one of them.
[01:27:24]  Like, there's something about him where I don't know.
[01:27:27]  You like, you know, very little about these guys.
[01:27:30]  You see them in like tiny little interviews.
[01:27:32]  You see them on like a little thing on TikTok, but they are incredibly charismatic.
[01:27:39]  And I don't know if that adds to stakes, but like once you actually feel like you're rooting for somebody, which is not like a decision you make, I think your kind of body naturally decides if you like somebody and want them to win.
[01:27:49]  Yeah, you're kind of like invested in their entire career.
[01:27:53]  Like Holland is another guy.
[01:27:55]  Like, I'll watch every time Holland fights.
[01:27:57]  He's fun, isn't he?
[01:27:59]  And you have him fighting like 40 times a year or something like that.
[01:28:02]  It's unbelievable.
[01:28:03]  So, you know what's incredible?
[01:28:04]  So, Kevin Holland's story: Kevin Holland fights on in the very, very early days of the contender series.
[01:28:11]  And he's literally talking shit the whole time he's fighting.
[01:28:15]  And it was driving me crazy.
[01:28:17]  And I called him Big Mouth.
[01:28:18]  It was great.
[01:28:19]  And I didn't take him, right?
[01:28:20]  Oh, you didn't?
[01:28:21]  No, I didn't sign him.
[01:28:22]  I was like, I don't want this fucking guy.
[01:28:23]  He's got a big mouth.
[01:28:24]  He's out there acting like he's a fucking world champion while he's trying to get his way into the UFC.
[01:28:29]  I'm not interested.
[01:28:31]  The way that fate plays out, I mean, a fight falls out on one of the cards coming up like that week or the next week or whatever.
[01:28:42]  And it's in his weight class.
[01:28:44]  Do you remember?
[01:28:44]  And I said to the matchmakers, I said, call fucking Big Mouth.
[01:28:48]  See if Big Mouth will take this fight.
[01:28:51]  Wow.
[01:28:51]  He agrees.
[01:28:52]  He comes in on short notice, takes the fight, and the rest is history.

=== Rebellious Polymarket Demographics (07:58) ===

[01:28:56]  Who'd he fight?
[01:28:56]  And you want to talk about a guy that's made a shitload of fucking money?
[01:29:00]  He's a shitload of money.
[01:29:02]  But he shows up.
[01:29:02]  And people love him.
[01:29:03]  He shows up, though.
[01:29:04]  People love him.
[01:29:05]  You call him, he'll show up.
[01:29:06]  And you need guys you can rely on.
[01:29:08]  Wait, wait, who do you remember who he fought?
[01:29:10]  I don't.
[01:29:11]  I don't remember.
[01:29:12]  Joey, can you bring up the list of the fights though?
[01:29:14]  His first fight in the UFC.
[01:29:16]  I want to know the calciods for the Jack Islam fight.
[01:29:20]  See if you didn't have this shit last time I was here.
[01:29:23]  No, look, look, this is great.
[01:29:25]  I love this.
[01:29:26]  We're looking at some things.
[01:29:28]  So what do we got?
[01:29:29]  71% Islam, I think.
[01:29:31]  Yeah, Islam is a pretty heavy favorite on college.
[01:29:33]  Oh, wow.
[01:29:33]  Yeah.
[01:29:34]  Is that, would you say that that's how you feel about it?
[01:29:38]  You think Islam heavy favorite?
[01:29:40]  No.
[01:29:40]  I just think that's a closer.
[01:29:42]  Way closer.
[01:29:42]  Yeah.
[01:29:43]  Way closer.
[01:29:44]  I agree.
[01:29:45]  Why are people sleeping on Jack?
[01:29:46]  We did the whole polymarket thing today, too, and it was the same.
[01:29:50]  It was way off in my opinion.
[01:29:52]  But these fucking things are pretty good.
[01:29:56]  I mean, I mean, these prediction market things are pretty fucking good.
[01:30:02]  We've just seen guys with devastating ground game just dominate the strikers before.
[01:30:05]  So I think people get people get swayed by that.
[01:30:09]  But all you need is Jack told me.
[01:30:10]  What was Kevin Holland's first fight in the UFC?
[01:30:13]  You need someone like Jack just to connect once and the fight changes.
[01:30:17]  And can he keep it standing?
[01:30:19]  Like he was saying, can he stop Islam's takedown?
[01:30:23]  Yeah.
[01:30:24]  It's going to be a whole different fight if he can.
[01:30:26]  I saw something interesting in Islam when he's striking.
[01:30:29]  He'll go back directly backwards.
[01:30:31]  Oh, which creates a problem for him if Jack is.
[01:30:35]  Santos, who's a bad motherfucker.
[01:30:37]  That's right.
[01:30:38]  Wow.
[01:30:38]  He came in and fought Tiago.
[01:30:41]  I remember when he fought Jockare.
[01:30:43]  Do you remember that fight?
[01:30:44]  Yes.
[01:30:45]  Yeah.
[01:30:45]  Jockare where he knocked him out from the bottom.
[01:30:47]  From the bottom.
[01:30:48]  Yes.
[01:30:48]  Yeah.
[01:30:49]  Mark does that all the time.
[01:30:54]  This is insane.
[01:30:56]  That's aggressive from the family.
[01:30:58]  I have done it.
[01:30:59]  We can't.
[01:31:01]  Put my child.
[01:31:02]  I'm watching this right now.
[01:31:03]  Okay.
[01:31:03]  Sorry.
[01:31:04]  Won't do that at all.
[01:31:06]  You do so much stuff.
[01:31:07]  What are you most excited about right now?
[01:31:11]  I'm obviously very excited to head into the Paramount deal for a lot of different reasons.
[01:31:16]  You know, first of all, how into the sport they are and how much they've invested in it.
[01:31:24]  My long-term goal is to take this thing everywhere.
[01:31:29]  I believe that this works everywhere.
[01:31:30]  And like I always say.
[01:31:33]  I'm sure I said it last time I was on the show, but if I didn't, I'll say it now.
[01:31:37]  PowerSlap will be bigger than the UFC.
[01:31:39]  You think?
[01:31:40]  You don't have to train for 10 years and be this elite athlete and all the stuff to do it.
[01:31:45]  And guess what?
[01:31:47]  People all over the world, when the fight goes to the ground, not everybody understands it.
[01:31:51]  Not everybody's going to like it.
[01:31:53]  Everybody understands a fucking slap.
[01:31:56]  And when I tell you I sell holy shit moments for a living, we could watch the whole card on Saturday and maybe we don't get one.
[01:32:03]  And PowerSlap, it's one, two.
[01:32:05]  Holy shit.
[01:32:07]  Yeah, every slap is a holy.
[01:32:08]  And when you look at, so everybody that talks shit about PowerSlap in the early days, I mean, we have like 30 million followers in less than three years, you know?
[01:32:18]  So you can follow on Instagram because every time you see it, I listen, I'm not a PowerSlap fan, but every time a PowerSlap video comes up on my feed, I will watch it to completion.
[01:32:31]  And that's what I noticed about myself.
[01:32:33]  I'm the most jaded, jaded motherfucker ever when it comes to fucking sport, right?
[01:32:40]  When it comes to Moe and guy, slapping a hillbilly.
[01:32:43]  Watch the slap reels over and over again to see who won.
[01:32:48]  And then when I first started this thing, you know, I had all these guys that are smart guys whom I respect saying, yeah, it's short, snackable content that people are going to watch, but no, people are hitting follow and they're following it.
[01:33:02]  Right.
[01:33:03]  You know?
[01:33:04]  So, and now people are showing up to it and it's starting to, and I've already been through this.
[01:33:08]  I already know how this works.
[01:33:09]  And we continue to pull massive numbers.
[01:33:14]  We're going to double what we did last year.
[01:33:16]  So maybe it's as far as views go.
[01:33:18]  Maybe we're not invested in the characters yet.
[01:33:20]  Maybe we're not.
[01:33:21]  And it's a much younger demographic, too, which I love.
[01:33:25]  And that's what you need.
[01:33:27]  It was the same thing with the UFC, too.
[01:33:29]  Interesting.
[01:33:29]  The UFC was a much younger demographic, right?
[01:33:31]  Than Boxing.
[01:33:33]  Boxing was legacy.
[01:33:34]  Baseball guys and the football guys.
[01:33:36]  And we had a much younger demo.
[01:33:38]  And for that time period, that demographic was online.
[01:33:44]  There used to be this site you'd go to and you could talk everything MMA and fighters would go in there.
[01:33:49]  It was called The Underground.
[01:33:51]  And everybody was in there talking about UFC.
[01:33:54]  And realistically, back then, that was our only form of advertising.
[01:33:58]  So when Twitter and social media started, I was like, let's get in.
[01:34:03]  I mean, that was my, you know.
[01:34:05]  Do you, it's so funny.
[01:34:07]  Like UFC, when it, or MMA in its early stages, I remember it being this like rebellious martial art form.
[01:34:16]  Like just, you didn't even know if it was totally martial arts.
[01:34:19]  Some of these guys look like they were coming out of some like backyard brawl, just absolute tough guys.
[01:34:24]  Some guys in fucking geese.
[01:34:25]  It was just so abstract.
[01:34:27]  It felt like on some Street Fighter shit in a lot of ways, right?
[01:34:31]  Now you guys are the dominant fight sport, right?
[01:34:34]  I think that you've passed boxing.
[01:34:37]  Now, yes, there's going to be a boxing fight that, you know, clips some crazy number, but in terms of like regularity and interest, completely inconsistent, the boxing shit.
[01:34:45]  And when a big one comes, people are like, oh, we should probably see it.
[01:34:48]  We should get in.
[01:34:48]  That's fair.
[01:34:49]  It's like we'll see another one for three years.
[01:34:51]  Top Gun Maverick.
[01:34:52]  It comes out.
[01:34:52]  Oh, my God.
[01:34:53]  Movies are back.
[01:34:54]  It's like, not really.
[01:34:54]  That's Top Gun.
[01:34:55]  This is like a legacy.
[01:34:56]  That's a great point.
[01:34:57]  Okay.
[01:34:58]  But is it weird not being the rebellious one?
[01:35:03]  Is it weird being the legacy sport now?
[01:35:09]  You're this guy who's constantly fighting against you.
[01:35:11]  But I think we still are that.
[01:35:13]  We still have that.
[01:35:15]  You have the spirit, but you're one.
[01:35:17]  We're one of the big major brands, but we still have that.
[01:35:21]  We went through COVID.
[01:35:23]  I'm always first with shit that other tires to fight them.
[01:35:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:35:30]  Okay.
[01:35:31]  We announced the polymarket deal today.
[01:35:33]  Oh, right.
[01:35:34]  Okay.
[01:35:35]  You know, and how we're going to integrate it into the television show and all that stuff.
[01:35:41]  We still do things that the older stiff leagues won't do.
[01:35:46]  Okay.
[01:35:47]  So in terms of how you see yourself, you still see yourself as rebellious in terms of the behavior and the actions on behalf of the business, but you do recognize that like you guys are the thing.
[01:36:01]  Is that weird for you to even say?
[01:36:04]  No, no, it's not.
[01:36:05]  What am I feeling right now for me?
[01:36:06]  What is this hesitation?
[01:36:07]  That's not how I look at things.
[01:36:09]  I don't look at things like, oh, we're it.
[01:36:11]  We're the thing.
[01:36:12]  We're there.
[01:36:13]  We made it.
[01:36:14]  Yeah.
[01:36:15]  There's still a lot of work to do.
[01:36:17]  I mean, that's an interesting perspective.
[01:36:18]  It's like, then you rest on your laurels.
[01:36:21]  It's like, it's the Marvin Hagler thing, dude.
[01:36:22]  It's like, if you want to fucking get busy and you want to fight, you got to put yourself in prison.
[01:36:27]  I mean, that's what he was saying, right?
[01:36:28]  Yeah, 100%.
[01:36:30]  There's still a lot of work to be done.
[01:36:33]  When I tell you that I want to be the dominant sport, I'm not talking about goofy other fucking leagues like PFL and all this other shit.
[01:36:40]  You want to dominate sport.
[01:36:42]  Dominate the NFL.
[01:36:43]  So the fact that there's the NFL, the fact that the Super Bowl is the biggest event of the year, you're like, no, I never looked at all the other combat sports guys as my competitors.

=== Casino Data White (11:03) ===

[01:36:54]  I always looked at, because even from the, from the joke.
[01:36:58]  I'm trying to get it.
[01:36:59]  I was trying to get in the paper.
[01:37:00]  You know what I mean?
[01:37:02]  So if I'm in LA, I'm competing with the Dodgers, the Rams, the fucking, you know, the Lakers.
[01:37:08]  That has always been my competition in my mind.
[01:37:12]  Do you want to dwarf the Super Bowl?
[01:37:13]  I want to beat every...
[01:37:15]  No.
[01:37:15]  I want to dwarf fucking soccer.
[01:37:17]  The World Cup.
[01:37:23]  Those are what I set my standards at who's my competition.
[01:37:29]  Not these other goofy fucking leagues and shit like that.
[01:37:32]  I don't even think about those guys.
[01:37:34]  Yeah.
[01:37:34]  I mean, speaking of battles, last time you're here, you were talking about your war with Caesars.
[01:37:38]  Yeah, you were up 16 million.
[01:37:40]  Have they got you back at all?
[01:37:42]  Yeah, I'm in a war right now with the Bellagio.
[01:37:47]  Have you gone off of Caesars?
[01:37:48]  You were so I'm a Caesars guy.
[01:37:50]  Love Caesars.
[01:37:52]  I'm saying last time you were here, you were like, listen, I almost gamble anywhere else.
[01:37:56]  They take care of me no matter what.
[01:37:58]  I won't say the brand, but like you even say like sometimes casinos do some sneaky shit where they say that they'll extend a certain amount of money.
[01:38:05]  Yeah, that was some fucking shithole up in the river, the waterfall.
[01:38:12]  The Buffy, Niagara Falls, Niagara Falls.
[01:38:14]  Exactly.
[01:38:15]  If you fuck around with any of those fucking casinos, you're crazy.
[01:38:19]  You know what I mean?
[01:38:20]  You might as well go out back and light your money on fucking fire.
[01:38:23]  Can you explain?
[01:38:23]  It's kind of a hustle.
[01:38:24]  It's like they say that they'll extend a certain amount of money to you.
[01:38:27]  Yeah.
[01:38:28]  So this guy basically lied and said, you know, I said, you know, let's say a million dollars.
[01:38:33]  I don't remember what the number was now.
[01:38:34]  It was so long ago, but I said, can I get a million dollar credit line?
[01:38:38]  And the guy said, yeah, no problem.
[01:38:40]  So then we show up there and he gives me like 200,000 in credit.
[01:38:43]  And I said, no, I want a million.
[01:38:44]  He goes, well, yeah, you got 200.
[01:38:46]  If you lose, then we'll go another 200.
[01:38:49]  We'll go, you know, we'll get you to a million.
[01:38:50]  I said, okay.
[01:38:51]  Right.
[01:38:51]  Cause I'm from Vegas.
[01:38:53]  You don't fucking say that in Vegas and then not deliver.
[01:38:57]  It's just, it's impossible that that would happen.
[01:38:59]  And this motherfucker did it and literally said, ah, that's all we can do.
[01:39:05]  And, you know, you're in one of those situations where it's like, this fucking, this scummy piece of shit place and this fucking scumbag just lied to me, you know?
[01:39:15]  And there's nothing you can do.
[01:39:16]  There's no retail.
[01:39:16]  If you live anywhere near Niagara Falls and you're playing in any of those casinos, be careful.
[01:39:22]  You'd be better off taking the money that you're going to lose and fly to Vegas and play there.
[01:39:28]  And so what's happening with the Belagio now?
[01:39:30]  So September 1st, I started playing Baccarat over there with these guys.
[01:39:36]  You know, I fucking jump around here and there and I have not lost since September 1st.
[01:39:42]  Wow.
[01:39:43]  Can you say that?
[01:39:45]  Or the first week of September.
[01:39:46]  Like the first week.
[01:39:47]  Can you say that's the first month for?
[01:39:50]  I hate doing this shit.
[01:39:54]  What if we bleep it?
[01:39:55]  What if we bleep it?
[01:39:55]  Yeah.
[01:39:56]  Okay.
[01:39:56]  Believe it.
[01:39:57]  100% believe it.
[01:39:57]  Bleep it.
[01:40:00]  Wow.
[01:40:01]  How much since the first week of September 2007 11?
[01:40:04]  This is like fucking too much cloody back at it.
[01:40:10]  Wow.
[01:40:12]  Wow.
[01:40:13]  Yeah.
[01:40:13]  Since the first week of September.
[01:40:15]  Now, hold on.
[01:40:18]  At a certain point in time, do you go, all right, let me chill for the next one?
[01:40:22]  Well, I think I told you guys, I look at every year as like a war.
[01:40:26]  And there's different battles inside the war that year that you go through.
[01:40:31]  You know, the war in 2025 is going to end very well.
[01:40:35]  And then I go into 26.
[01:40:37]  Buddy, you're a fighter.
[01:40:38]  It doesn't matter what you're doing.
[01:40:40]  You're a fighter.
[01:40:41]  Every year is a war and backhand.
[01:40:44]  Background.
[01:40:45]  Okay.
[01:40:46]  All right.
[01:40:46]  So when you're up, I know, I know he's got to go.
[01:40:48]  Okay.
[01:40:48]  So when you're up, because you got to get out of here, but when you're up crazy, what is the energy like when you're walking into the casino?
[01:40:55]  Hey, Elliot, bring my phone in here.
[01:41:01]  I like this.
[01:41:01]  Yeah, I mean, when we go in, I got my whole crew that I roll with every night when we go in and when we get in there, you know, there's that hyped up like a fight.
[01:41:16]  All right, while you get that up, when you're down and you're walking around the casino, what is the energy?
[01:41:21]  You know, it's again, you can say it's like a fight.
[01:41:25]  It's the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows.
[01:41:28]  The problem is for people who gamble, that, you know, get depressed and fucking, you know, you can't do that.
[01:41:35]  You got to be ready to, you know, you got to get back in it.
[01:41:38]  This was the night before we came here.
[01:41:41]  Jesus Christ.
[01:41:42]  Hold on.
[01:41:44]  Yeah, that's nuts, dude.
[01:41:45]  Okay.
[01:41:46]  Bleep it again.
[01:41:47]  What is that right there?
[01:41:48]  So this is in duffel bags?
[01:41:56]  Yeah.
[01:42:00]  Sometimes suitcases, you know, depending on how the money is.
[01:42:03]  And then before you lift it, you make them count it out so you can walk.
[01:42:07]  You don't leave the credit there, right?
[01:42:08]  You want cash.
[01:42:10]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:42:11]  You like the humidity.
[01:42:12]  Oh, man.
[01:42:12]  I like cash.
[01:42:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:42:14]  Don't wire me shit.
[01:42:16]  Give me my cash.
[01:42:17]  Bro.
[01:42:18]  And then when you're walking with the cash out of the casino, you have the bags, right?
[01:42:22]  Like people know you.
[01:42:24]  You're like mayor of Vegas, right?
[01:42:26]  Yeah, where we go, though.
[01:42:27]  We go.
[01:42:27]  But is there a part of you that just wants to walk right through the main?
[01:42:32]  There's no money left in the casino, guys.
[01:42:35]  There's not a little bit.
[01:42:37]  No.
[01:42:37]  No.
[01:42:38]  I mean, fuck.
[01:42:40]  He's trying to leave a lot of that scene, man.
[01:42:42]  I love that.
[01:42:43]  Tell me if this is just right before you leave.
[01:42:44]  Tell me if this is just pure clickbait, like TikToks and shit like that.
[01:42:48]  Or this is, or you felt it.
[01:42:50]  I've seen these people on TikTok saying like Vegas is having a rough time.
[01:42:55]  Do you think that that's true?
[01:42:56]  Are there too many casinos?
[01:42:58]  Is that pure bullshit?
[01:42:59]  Just people can't afford it.
[01:43:00]  So, we were just in Vegas a few days ago and we were at the Bellagio.
[01:43:06]  Packed.
[01:43:07]  Fucking wall to wall.
[01:43:08]  So, this is bullshit.
[01:43:09]  There's so much bullshit that comes.
[01:43:11]  I used to love the Vegas.
[01:43:13]  What happens if Vegas stays in Vegas?
[01:43:14]  Now it's like there's all this, you know, clickbait bullshit, right?
[01:43:18]  Like there is everywhere else.
[01:43:20]  Now, Vegas has become like its own celebrity that gets attacked.
[01:43:24]  And you know what I mean?
[01:43:25]  It's pretty weird.
[01:43:26]  Like, as an it has its own identity that you have now, is it possible that there's so many casinos that some aren't as busy as others and they're trying to point it out?
[01:43:35]  I think what people point at is things that which I agree with 100% that I hate about Vegas, and I love that fucking city.
[01:43:44]  Paying for parking, fucking bullshit.
[01:43:46]  I saw a video about this too.
[01:43:48]  Absolute fucking bullshit.
[01:43:50]  Bro, taxes used to be free.
[01:43:52]  Any of these fucking casinos that are charging for parking is disgusting.
[01:43:55]  And listen, if you, if, if you're a Vegas guy and you like to go to Vegas, then stay at station casinos, any of the Fertidas properties, they don't charge for parking.
[01:44:03]  It's like old school Vegas and resort fees.
[01:44:06]  They're hitting people with resort fees, which is another fucking dirty.
[01:44:10]  Yeah.
[01:44:10]  You know, I think that was the sentiment that they felt like, especially if you're maybe nickel and dime.
[01:44:15]  Yeah, well, the beautiful thing about Vegas is somebody that didn't have a lot of money got to go and feel like someone special.
[01:44:20]  Yeah, but they still do have places.
[01:44:23]  But they do have places that you can go where you could play $5 tables and do all that shit.
[01:44:29]  I made $45.
[01:44:30]  I'll show you a photo.
[01:44:31]  But you know, you're not wrong because I was that guy too.
[01:44:34]  I used to play the fucking, I love that.
[01:44:37]  And you can't take that away from Vegas or you're going to hurt the city.
[01:44:42]  But there still are places.
[01:44:43]  Like if you go downtown, you can play at the D, you could play at Circa.
[01:44:48]  And there's great places downtown.
[01:44:50]  You can still get great food at great prices.
[01:44:54]  So, you know, you're not rolling into fucking Bellagio.
[01:44:58]  The wind are the biggest pussies in the fucking world, man.
[01:45:02]  Listen, if you, when you're in Vegas, you don't gamble at the fucking wind.
[01:45:06]  Tell me, tell me.
[01:45:06]  You eat there.
[01:45:07]  Win, win, win.
[01:45:08]  You eat there.
[01:45:09]  So the wind.
[01:45:11]  Because the wind does everything, they'll do everything they can to make sure you fucking lose when you play there.
[01:45:17]  They're the fucking worst.
[01:45:19]  How?
[01:45:20]  They have the best restaurants in town, go fucking eat there, and then leave and go play at fucking Caesars or Bellagio or one of those places.
[01:45:28]  How can they make it?
[01:45:28]  Because if you play big money, what they'll do is the same shit that I was talking about over at the shithole place.
[01:45:35]  They won't let you bet enough.
[01:45:37]  They won't give you big enough limits.
[01:45:40]  They play these little pussy games that you can play to make sure that, you know.
[01:45:44]  And if you listen, everybody who plays, you know, there's the nights you go in and you get in a hole.
[01:45:50]  If they stack the deck against you as far as how much you can bet per hand or what your credit limit is, it's hard to lose.
[01:46:00]  It's hard to get out of that hole.
[01:46:01]  100%.
[01:46:02]  But I know you want to take them down because I know after this Bellagio thing is done, I know that you got your eyes set on something.
[01:46:07]  Oh, fuck that.
[01:46:08]  I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even ask to play at the fucking wind.
[01:46:13]  No way.
[01:46:14]  No way.
[01:46:15]  And the chicken shit that they've done over the last fucking 10 years is fast forward five years.
[01:46:20]  Data White buys the wind.
[01:46:23]  Wait, they've done shit to you over the last five years.
[01:46:26]  Oh, you know, with all the money you brought in.
[01:46:28]  I had a buddy of mine who was running the casino and he's like, no, we're not going to let you play the way you play here.
[01:46:33]  Wow.
[01:46:34]  They wouldn't let you bet what you normally bet and they wouldn't extend the credits where you normally do.
[01:46:39]  So word is getting around.
[01:46:40]  So my thing is, give me as much, give me 30 fucking million in credit.
[01:46:45]  Let me bet a million dollars a hand and let's go me versus you.
[01:46:48]  I'm working on a whole deal with this thing right now.
[01:46:50]  Is this the Netflix thing that there's well?
[01:46:53]  No.
[01:46:53]  The Netflix thing is different.
[01:46:57]  I'm doing a documentary on Vegas.
[01:47:00]  And yes, some of my shit's in there, but not like it's being.
[01:47:02]  But yeah, I'm doing that.
[01:47:04]  But I want to do another thing with Netflix, too.
[01:47:06]  You versus the casino.
[01:47:08]  You versus the house.
[01:47:09]  You come in like a title fight.
[01:47:10]  You know what I mean?
[01:47:12]  They show all the odds on why they should win and I should win.
[01:47:16]  And we go one night, a million a hand.
[01:47:19]  What's the odds in Baccarat?
[01:47:21]  What do you mean?
[01:47:21]  What are the odds?
[01:47:22]  Even more.
[01:47:23]  It's 100% even.
[01:47:24]  Well, they have to have a little extra.
[01:47:26]  It's as close to fucking even as you'll get on any game on Baccarat.
[01:47:30]  So you have a chance.
[01:47:31]  Yeah.
[01:47:31]  Baccarat is a fascinating game.
[01:47:34]  Yeah.
[01:47:34]  So you have a million.
[01:47:35]  A million a hand, $30 million credit line.
[01:47:38]  Yes.
[01:47:38]  And one night.
[01:47:39]  Yeah.
[01:47:40]  And we just live stream it.
[01:47:42]  On Netflix.
[01:47:43]  We do a Netflix show like a, like, like you would do, you know, like we did the Canelo Crawford fight.
[01:47:48]  Yeah.
[01:47:49]  Wow.
[01:47:50]  Wow.
[01:47:51]  I'm in.
[01:47:52]  Yeah.
[01:47:53]  I'm in.
[01:47:54]  Data white, everybody.
[01:47:55]  Data white.
[01:47:56]  Thank you, brother.
[01:47:57]  Thanks for having me.
[01:47:57]  Thank you, man.