Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect the Met Gala's controversial Rosa Parks outfit, critique Hollywood's financial motives behind LGBTQ+ narratives in The Last of Us, and debate Formula One's exclusivity versus NASCAR. They analyze Ibrahim Traoré's anti-French coup in Burkina Faso, question Nayib Bukele's alleged $31 million cocaine trafficking ring via Beans of Fire, and explore whether urban density triggers societal decay similar to John Calhoun's "rat utopia" experiment. Ultimately, the episode challenges narratives on diversity, geopolitical shifts, and resource ethics. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hollywood's Forced Authenticity00:14:27
I played with Mark the other day.
Paddle?
Yeah.
Sanchez?
What's interesting is Al might not have been the weakest leg.
Vala wasn't bad.
So Vala is still the worst?
No, Vala plays every day.
There's no way.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
He is going to watch this and be crushed.
He's been working so hard, bro.
He plays all the time.
He's on group chats.
He's developing like paddle culture stuff.
And you have a baby you take seven months off and you wipe the floor.
He has nerve damage to one of his legs.
Is that present at all when he was playing?
It's both.
And he's not even here.
I wish he was.
Can we call him? Saul, dude.
Yo, Mark is talking shit.
He said he busted your ass in paddle.
Stop, stop.
No, they're enjoying.
He's full of shit.
First of all, I won with everyone I played with.
That's a paddle.
He played with Al and they got bageled too.
He lost 6'2 because it was Al.
Mark said he came on the pod and he goes, I think Vala has nerve damage in both legs.
That's what he said.
I did not say I volunteered.
That's fucked up.
And he knew you weren't going to be here, so he knew he could talk shit without you doing your act outs.
Let's set it up.
Look when I'm back on Wednesday.
Let's set it up.
All right, dude, we'll set it up.
All right.
We'll love you.
Bye.
Bye, Val.
Damn, you and Vala got like an interesting rivalry.
What's that about, you think?
I think.
Shifty is not allowed to have joy today.
Shifty, we're being sad and bitter today.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Okay, Shifty's about to have the youngest hip and leg transplant in history.
Something Vala should have done two decades ago.
And today is our bitter, sad day.
And then once we process all this bitter and sadness, we move on.
But if you find Shifty laughing throughout the episode, we have to stop the pod and acknowledge it.
Yo, but do it after the summertime.
Don't do it now.
Wait, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
He's like pain.
He's in chronic pain every day.
Walk it off for a couple of days.
He's been walking it off for a year.
He got hit by a car twice, this fucking idiot.
That existed.
Companies denying defending insurance companies.
Yeah, 100%.
He's about to go at him, bro.
I'm telling you.
Shifty!
No more joy!
Can we get a cam on Shifty?
Can we get a joy cam on Shifty?
He gives a Luigi vibe, doesn't he?
Shifty's got super Luigi code.
Oh, shit.
He does kind of look like it.
Okay, Shifty, can you tell us why you were giggling when I said that Vala and Mark have a little rivalry?
Can you tell us that, please?
In the most sad, sardonic way possible.
Mark, you remember when you crushed Vala's sushi in front of him?
What happened?
We were filming that video for the Toronto promo, and we're all eating out there, and Vala said something smart to you, and you didn't have a slick comeback or anything.
So you just took your thumb and he was eating sushi and he was all happy and you mushed his sushi.
And Vala went from laughing like, haha, to truly serious.
So mad.
And then Mark's right about it.
We're going to learn that for a bit, huh?
You know what I'm saying?
Sometimes you don't need a slick come back.
Sometimes you need to put your palm in somebody's sushi platter and it works just as good.
No, Mark.
Yeah.
You become a tyrant.
No.
Vala always starts it.
I don't like this idea that I'm bullying Vala.
Okay.
Vala.
Mark said he mushed your sushi one day.
You didn't do shit.
Mark said he walked up to your sushi platter and he put his thumb in your spicy tuna roll and mushed it and you did nothing.
You sat there and took it.
No, no, no.
I've been waiting for him to have a kid so I can mush this thumb.
Damn, bro.
You didn't have to go full pockets on my nose.
He just gossiped your kids just now.
Damn, bro.
Why are you going after the kids?
Damn, this is.
I got to hang up before this shit gets too serious.
Jesus, we were just having fun.
This guy went nuclear.
You can't.
Hey, listen, great Kashmir, bro.
I get it now, Hindustan.
I get it now, Hindustan.
Damn.
Damn, bro.
What the fuck?
He's a wild dude.
He's still upset about that sushi mushroom.
Yeah.
Love 40, bro.
That's me and Baula's whole relationship.
You had him love 40.
Yeah, just in life.
You know what I mean?
It's just love 40.
I'm just a point away from Desmond.
That is so tough.
It's just love 40.
That is so fun.
Oh, man.
That is a bar, though.
I am going to use that.
I think it's 40 love, though.
You're serving, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is a good point.
Yeah, why do I have to do that?
I mean, Love 40 doesn't say it sounds like he's losing.
Yeah, yeah, but it was still fun.
We got it.
We got it.
But obviously, now that everybody listens to the podcast is a battle of fish and eyes.
My feel confused about that.
Oh, guys.
Okay.
So what was gayer last night?
Last of us or the Met Gala?
What do you want to talk about?
Oh.
Well, can you explain Last of Us?
Yo, can I tell you something about this?
So the video game was gay.
They had like a lesbian thing in it.
And you had to do the mission gay.
You have to do it.
You gay.
Yo, that's really funny.
They don't.
Shifty, you're laughing and feeling joyful again.
I don't like you laughing, feeling joyful up there.
Are you upset that the TV show is accurate to the game and they assume I'm all upset?
Who watched it the first time?
Met Gala on his show.
But it might be positive.
Look how gay the world is.
Yes, finally.
Yeah.
Okay.
Look at how gay he's sitting.
Yeah, look at him.
You think I'm going to be upset and gay shit?
40 love.
Suck it.
40 loves on the show.
So, no, like, okay, so I hadn't thought about it while I'm watching The Last of Us because I played the video game.
It was obviously very traumatic for me when the little lesbian girl started making out and having sex.
Because I've known Ellie, the character, since she was a teenager.
I don't want to watch this girl.
It's like a daughter to me, practically.
You know, now she's a fully grown lesbian and she's just fingering somebody dirty on horseback for four days, no shower.
There's a lot of things going on.
Also, they didn't need to show the fingering scene.
That was a little much.
I know I'm becoming an old man.
See?
But like, she don't even, she's not even a seasoned lesbian, like, doesn't even unbuckle her belt.
What does she do?
She's like pulling at the jeans, trying to squawk the hand underneath.
Her wrist is all caught.
It's crazy.
Like a puppet?
She's just watching the game.
Anyway, so yeah, so I was watching it and I'm curious what you guys thought of it.
Okay.
You know how like Hollywood, okay, Hollywood wants to make money.
We understand.
This is the point of Hollywood, right?
And then like sometimes there's virtuous people caught up in every industry and they start like putting justifications on their actions like we all do that make them seem a little bit like more benevolent, right?
Fair enough.
So, but in my experience, Hollywood is very reactive.
Like a movie about ice skating does really well.
There'll be five more ice skating movies, right?
Horror movies do well.
They go, okay, horror is it.
R-rated comedy does well.
Okay, let's make R-rated comedy.
So what I think is happening with like the, the, you call DI or, you know, like trans stories or gay stories, whatever it is, like what I think has happened is there was some very brave filmmakers, like Brokeback Mountain.
That could have been a huge fucking flop, right?
You put this movie out.
They're like, hold on, gay cowboys?
Like, who's going to go watch this?
And despite the fact that it could have been a huge flop, the actors in it were brave for doing it.
It's not like there's like all this reward for doing a gay scene.
At the time, like you could look at those characters and be like, ah, they're gay now.
I don't want to see them in action.
You lose your role in Hollywood.
It's courageous.
The movie, just as a theory, movie does really well because it's a good movie, but it's also like brave and courageous, right?
The Hollywood industry reacts and goes, oh, that makes money.
Let's do the gay shit.
And then the executives lower level start going, we have to share these marginalized stories.
We have to do it.
And they might actually believe that shit.
But at the top, they're just reacting to whatever is successful.
Once the top is forcing in stories that they don't actually really care about, they're just doing it to make money.
The people see it as forced.
If it's an authentic, pure story, it doesn't matter if it's gay or not, or it's DEI or not.
Like Jordan Poole's shit isn't DEI.
We just like it because it's cool.
Jordan Peel, Peel.
Jordan Peel, right?
Yeah, my bad.
My bad, Jordan.
One of them is really good.
So Jordan, Jordan's Peel stories really work because they're like authentic, right?
And the crowd reacts to it because they're authentic.
It doesn't feel forced.
When the forced shit happens, we go, eh, this is stupid.
And then we find reasons we justify the blame why it sucks.
We're like, oh, this is DI.
This is the other thing.
No, no, it's just inauthentic.
It's late.
And it's no longer rebellious.
It's no longer shocking.
It's no longer different.
It just feels like they're cashing in on this idea.
Here's the problem.
When the tech industry wants to cure cancer, they do it for money and they're very open about it.
They're like, we think we can make money curing cancer.
Like this drug might help it or whatever it is.
We can use AI to like locate it early and then remove it, whatever.
If it can't make money, they're like, all right, we can't deploy cash towards that.
Hollywood has already made their bed with we're doing this because it's important to share marginalized stories.
Once those stories stop making money, the execs at the top are like, damn, we already told everybody we're doing this because it's beneficial to the world.
When in reality, we're just doing it to make money.
So now we can't exactly pivot off of it too fast because then it's going to expose the lie that we were doing this for some benevolent reason in the first place.
Okay.
Thoughts.
Yeah, I mean, Bezos has a quote where he went viral on Twitter recently where he was like, in order to get outsized gains, you have to bat against conventional wisdom.
Yes.
So like, if you go against the grain, you're going to strike out nine times, but if you hit it, you have potentially a thousand X reward.
And so I think that happens in the film industry where going against conventional wisdom, listening to a gay cowboy movie, it goes crazy.
And then, of course, everyone chases.
I think that happens in every industry.
To bring that up now, though, this is the game.
They're being accurate.
I'm actually saying the game is not a good example.
Okay.
But it gave me, it just gave me like an idea about the industry in general.
But you're not saying that this episode of Last of Us felt forced.
No, When I first played the game, I'm sure we can look back at it and I probably have a completely different opinion than I have right now because it's me.
Yes.
Hippocrates.
But like, when I played the game, I was like, is this forced?
Are they trying to be progressive?
Has it always been a kind of progressive pushing show?
Like, was the video game industry very scrutinized?
Like, what was happening at the time when it came out, Shifty?
Do you remember?
Like, the reaction of it?
Yeah.
I mean, it hadn't really happened to have like the character, like a main woman character be gay like that in the video game.
Because I remember kind of like around this time.
Remember, there was this big thing in video games where they were super sexist and this was like tangentially related to me too, and like they were oversexualized, et cetera.
Yeah.
So it was the complete opposite.
But also the dudes.
So it was rebellious, you could get the dudes were gay before that, though, right?
Who?
In Last of Us?
Oh, they had the gay dudes, but in Last of Us, it wasn't that big a deal.
Right.
It was like kind of subtle.
It was barely even mentioned.
And then the episode they made out of it was fucking incredible.
Right.
And I think that was also transformed.
They just made a dope episode.
And we all liked it and it felt authentic.
It didn't feel forced.
So here's the unfortunate thing.
You do something that's no longer rebellious.
It becomes the norm and it feels inauthentic.
And then there are people that are creating authentic stories that are like that.
But unfortunately, because everything around it feels so inauthentic, it gets jumbled into it.
Yeah.
So while this was a rebellious story to tell in video games the five years ago or seven years ago, whenever they started writing it, now because of like the trend around forced diversity, it can get looped in of it.
Yeah, into that, which is like it's unfair to that because it's authentic to the game.
Yeah, I think it happens.
Like you mentioned the medical industry.
I think they also sometimes couch stuff in like flowery language to make it seem like, oh, like our mission is, you know, someone in my family had cancer and so we're doing cancer research.
Yeah.
And it's like, okay, it might be that also.
Again, it's hard to like judge people's internal intentions, but there's also the financial component, obviously.
Yes.
So I think every industry, like, their motivation is ultimately financial, but they will kind of frame stuff and like, oh, our brand statement is, you know, make people fit or make people smarter.
But it's like, okay, it's that plus money.
I wonder if they were honest about it from the jump, like they are about different genres of film.
Like if R-rated comedies are popping and then a bunch of other R-rated comedies come out, it's like they're like, yeah, yeah, this is really successful right now.
So we're trying to do that.
And then when they pivot away from it, we're not upset because they're not going, it is important for us to promote comedy at an R-rated level and dirty words are good and all these other virtual undercut whatever thing they're putting out if they're like, oh, we're doing this, we're telling you in advance, we're only doing this because it's worth it.
You're right.
They have to give us a little bit of a lie.
I also don't think that these studios are like ideologically consolidated.
Well, there's one ideology.
I think that they, I think they're you bring in different people.
So like, you'll have these, like the executives and the and you know the finance people and the number people that are obviously okay, we want to make money, make sure it's profitable.
But then they're like okay, let's bring in some creatives that are living in a car, you know, that are just making these beautiful movies, and they probably don't give a shit.
And then they're amalgamating this group of people that all have different strengths.
Yeah, so I think that you know obviously, stratifying it.
Okay, you have people that just care about the money, but then you have people that are like, no, I care about only the mission, and then they butt heads and then hopefully, they make a good product.
Yeah, or you start like finding people that can execute the types of stories that you think are profitable.
So it's like that's what they do right yeah but, and you're, but you're specifically choosing them yeah exactly, but then those people but those people are authentic about the way that they exactly.
They're not uh, I guess you know lying when they're out there, being like no I, we need to make this story because this is important to me in my life.
Yeah, they were just picked because that is what their mission is right yeah, and then the studio brings them in and says okay, let's make a film yeah yeah, it's just an interesting way that, like you know, once a trend starts it, you see everything that's created through that lens.
Like we talked about it a lot, even with, like the Disney shit back in the day, like none of us thought about diversity and Disney was wildly diverse back in the day.
Like Aladdin, the first thing that we're watching is there's no white people and none of us were like where the white people?
Mortal Kombat Colorism00:12:50
I thought they were white.
Yeah right, like someone had to tell Akash was like I really related to Aladdin because it was the first brown person.
I was like who's brown in Aladdin?
I was like Aladdin was like me, the Cheeky.
Like I had no clue who was brown in that movie.
Yeah, but didn't feel like I know it was Asian, but it didn't feel like oh, we need to give you an Asian story so that the Chinese market will buy it and we can make billions of dollars.
I watch anime.
Are the characters white or is that what agents think they look like?
Yo, the eyes are too big to be like part of.
Like you're making a good point because the eyes are cartoonishly big.
Yeah, which is not what they're known for, and so why would all their characters Not represent them?
Look at those eyes.
It feels like they're making fun of white people.
Doesn't it?
Yeah, these round-eye motherfuckers.
Right?
And then maybe they think we have superpowers because of the nukes or something.
Oh, that's possible.
Hold on.
Let's go on.
It is odd that a lot of their fucking characters in animes are fucking white.
Well, there is that colorism shit.
Right?
In Asian culture.
Which I don't even think.
But you can be the fairer-skinned Asians.
But oh, you think that they look white even outside of.
Yeah.
I got you.
Okay.
In Street Fighter, was Ryu white to you?
Yeah.
Right.
And his brother was white.
Ken is obviously white.
But was Ryu white?
In my head, yes, but I think his origin story was he was half white half.
Which one was Ryu?
The main one.
The guy.
That guy?
Jesus Christ.
What the fuck was your child?
Street Fighter?
Ours?
You have to understand Street Fighter for us.
The fuck.
It's like Mortal Kombat.
Just playing Mortal Kombat.
So that's the thing.
And I'm surprised even you weren't more Mortal Kombat.
No, I had cousins.
Oh, so you were playing.
Yeah, Street Fighter was like the OG game.
Mortal Kombat introduced blood.
Yeah.
And blood was like so badass.
That was like the rebellious thing.
I went to the code.
Yeah.
And like, low-key, you know who did that too?
The NHL video game.
You could make their head bleed.
Oh, really?
Like, if you drop mitts, you can fight.
Yeah, you fought, and then you could make something.
There was that scene in Swingers.
Like, make him bleed, make his head bleed.
What's wrong with us?
Even as kids were like, I want to play the game where you get to murder the person in the goriest way possible.
Do you remember NFL Blitz?
Oh, yeah, of course.
You could break legs and shit.
It was like CC.
Oh, didn't they do the x-ray thing where like they would hit?
It would slow down, throw an x-ray, and the leg would fucking snap.
Yeah.
What's wrong with us?
Remember that TV show, Scarred?
Oh, God.
I couldn't watch that movie.
Nah, I couldn't watch that show.
The whole show was just people breaking their bones.
No, it was bad.
They're just like, what's up, guys?
Welcome back to Scarred.
And then a guy would hit a 10-step, like, you know, rail grind and then snap his leg bone sticks out.
You know what it was?
It was the closest thing to a TikTok scroll.
Yeah.
Oh.
Like, that was a TikTok scroll for that time.
Yeah.
Where it was like 30-second video, something horrible happens.
Next one.
30-second video, something horrible happened.
That's what America's funniest home videos is, too.
When you think about it.
That's TikTok.
100%.
Is that what the soup was?
Dharmic, whatever it is.
The soup, yeah.
Sort of.
It was like a reality show where it was, I think, talk show back in the day.
Yeah, and he would just sort of go over the news like quickly.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
There was just more, like, he would react to it a little bit more, but yeah.
It is funny.
We're watching the same content we did back in the day.
Yeah, yeah.
It never changes.
Never.
There's a gay character in Mortal Kombat, I think.
Can you pull a Valdo?
I think that was his name.
Did you ever play Mortal Kombat?
Yeah, but I don't remember.
There's Valdo.
Bro, there was one.
He was like a BDSM guy.
I've been homophobic for quite a few years.
Make him bleed that way.
Bro, me and my dad used to play this, and I would pick him.
My dad would be like, why'd you pick him?
That's crazy.
I don't even remember this guy.
That's how much I blocked him.
I remember being embarrassed because I picked him and my dad was like, why?
And I was like, I don't know.
I thought his hands are cool.
He's got good attacks.
Valdo.
No.
There was Scorpion, Rapier.
Yeah.
There was, what was the other guy?
Fucking was the other guy?
Siegfried was one of them.
What?
What?
With the giant sword.
Bro, I got it.
I thought.
I thought, how long I thought you got it?
Bro, some dude crushed me in the meeting.
I still kind of want to know what that one is, but I'm not going to ask him.
The comments tell us.
Some guy was like, bro, on the pod, y'all got Putin.
I was like, why Putin?
Yeah.
So I got Charlemagne with the Justin Thoreau one.
That's a real guy.
That's a great one.
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, who's this?
Oh, these are all the guys.
I don't even think you play Motor Kombat.
What are you just asking?
Who's this?
Oh, no, no, no.
Soul Calibur?
I was playing Soul Calibur today.
No, Mark.
I was playing Soul Calibur.
I've been on fighting games more than y'all, is what I'm saying.
No, you haven't.
Yes, I have.
You did like pillow fights into your nickname.
She's a fucking homeschool ass.
I don't want to listen to talking about video games.
You're going to talk about lesbians getting after Last of Us and not taking off the belt before you finger a girl.
What kind of insane thing is that?
Really?
That's what you're doing?
Son, Parallel fingers.
Go do it, do it.
Okay, literally.
This is exactly.
She goes from on top of him.
I'm going to do it lefty.
She could just take off the belt, right?
This is cool.
This is the worst place for us to say that.
Listen, I'm trying to teach Ellie how to finger a bad bitch, okay?
Because I look dressed just like Dina.
She's got to skip off and go.
That's when the apocalypse dies.
We need a pillow fight immediately, bro.
A man just took your belt off.
She goes really quickly, and you ain't even budged, too.
You was going left.
You saw me do that one-handed.
I know that was a little bit more.
If I move, it's gay.
That means I'm scared.
You know what I mean?
Let me suicide.
Let your fucking meat fall out.
Do you think Kay didn't do that?
Is grab the boxers from here and scoop up and just let their meat fall off?
Oh, that'd be sick.
That's kind of smart.
What do you think?
Why are we switching a blue chew lights?
No, those are rainbow lights.
Also, guys, tour date, June 19th and through 21st.
I'm gonna be in Salt Lake City at Wise Guys.
All those dates and plenty more at Akashing.com.
Now let's get back to the show.
Hold on a second.
Don't skip forward, guys, because it's the world's fastest ad read.
My name is Mark.
I'm coming to America.
We got Raleigh, North Carolina, Poughkeepsie, Portland, Fort Worth, Austin, Stanford, Philly, Levantown, Chandler, and San Diego.
More dates to come.
You can get it at my website, markgagnonlive.com.
Anyway, Last of Us, best show on fucking TV.
It's incredible.
Yo, HBO on a run right now.
They just announced Squid Games coming back June 27th.
HBO?
HBO?
That's Netflix.
Yeah.
Whatever.
It's all the same.
Yo, HBO's on a run.
Let's go.
They already put out this movie.
Soon as the end of the day.
She still says the TV is HBO.
If it's scripted, it's HBO.
If it's scripted, it's HBO.
He's like, I was watching the Knicks game on HBO.
It's crazy.
Did you see the story on connection?
That was an epic fail right there, man.
God damn, did I get that one wrong?
And I really wanted to give credit to HBO.
I was like, they're back.
Y'all are doing nothing besides lesbian finger scenes for no reason in the middle of the Last of Us episode.
So if it was a dude, she just came out handy.
Son, son, stop, stop, stop, son, stop, She just announced she's pregnant, right?
She goes, I'm pregnant.
They start fucking, and she's immediately trying to abort that fucking baby.
No way.
Look at that.
Look at.
She got the Rhinestone belt on.
Oh.
Don't she look too young?
They're too young looking.
Yo, come on.
Just say stuff.
Oh, wait, my bad.
She did unbuckle it.
My bad.
Look at you.
Hey, my bad.
Oh, she got her arching and everything.
You barely got two digits in there.
Get out of here, bro.
Get the fuck out of here.
That's all you need to do.
Come on, it's the apocalypse.
You fighting through Bush.
There's no way.
She got a UTR.
That's just 100.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy.
You know, I just mourning of Burning Man right there.
Look at the fucking location.
Whoa.
Look at this.
Look at this.
And then they go for it.
Wait a minute.
Immediately.
She's like, finger me.
I don't think she unbuckles that belt.
I don't see any unbuckling.
Nah, you don't.
No, the belt's not unbuckled.
You just hate it because she did it so smooth.
You ain't catching it.
The belt has not been on the bottom.
She's jumping it off.
Look at that.
She is herself.
What show were you?
Washing.
Yeah, bro.
Not with you, bro.
I'm off.
Hey, I'm off.
Hey, so I'm washed.
So that's you know, I'm washed.
I thought I knew something and I don't.
Your whole fucking anger was because he didn't unbuckle.
In the video game, she undoes the belt.
And in this one, I hit double X for belt.
I was spamming X to get the belt off.
I got nothing.
I got nothing.
I'm wrong.
Nah, the cuddle of it out there.
That was crazy, though.
You ain't even get your shit off.
Oh, this is the video game version?
Oh, hell yeah.
Yeah, look at the most watched.
Go to most watch.
Yeah, that big one.
Yup.
Look at this.
Oh, they made the Spanish chick ugly in the game.
She had gay energy the whole time, though.
It's like not shocking that she's gay.
Which one?
Ellie or Dina?
I don't know about Dina.
I haven't seen the show.
Yeah, shut up.
Tell us about Burkina Faso or some shit, man.
They did a video game about that.
That shit is crazy.
I'm going to tell Dave Portnoy to send you to Auschwitz too, bro.
Yo, Dave Portnoy sending him away.
He's sending people to Auschwitz, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
True.
Of all times to go, now is probably the better time.
Do you get to, can you extend?
Like, could you stay and then just chill in Warsaw for a minute?
Get a beam.
Smoke poles.
Yeah, that's going to be sick.
I mean, because apparently Warsaw is like a good, fun time.
Oh, yeah.
I saw a girl on some TikTok.
She's from Poland.
I've seen the same one.
I've seen the same one.
I've seen the exact same one.
I'm all on the same algorithm.
The hottest one.
I'm a six in Poland.
And she's like, I'm a 10 in the United States.
I'm a six in Poland.
I was like, you're what?
In Poland?
Wait, you got to pull this up.
Is she more a six or more 10?
Which one?
No, she's a legit 10 that calls herself a six in Poland.
You know all about this.
Stop acting like you.
Can I try to act?
What is Poland?
Hello?
God damn it.
There's a white woman in Poland?
Hey, shit, bro.
You're dumber than a polo.
I was a six in America at 10 in Poland.
Yo, I can't.
That was mean.
I don't know.
This guy's a mean guy.
He just called you dumb.
You just called out dumb.
Yeah, because he's pretending he doesn't.
What?
You just called him.
We were just talking about looks, like, and him being a handsome black man in Poland, which they don't have.
They're very proud of Noah.
Whoa, whoa.
He's doing this.
I called you handsome, and he went, No, I'm reacting because we're not doing this right now.
I was making fun of him for being dumb.
You made fun of Vala for having no legs.
You made fun of Al for not being good looking.
I'm the nicest guy, and everyone's trying to make me a bully.
No, you're a piece of shit.
You got to say you're the nicest guy.
I'm not going to be a good weekend, bro.
What happened, bro?
Yeah, he's bitter.
Something happened.
Something happened.
Where was the show?
Charleston and Atlanta.
Charleston, South Carolina.
Charleston, South Carolina.
And then Atlanta.
And where Val is from?
Nope.
No.
Where is he from?
Pakistan.
Pakistan.
He finished from Virginia.
Oh, Virginia.
Yeah.
All right, go.
But it was crazy.
What happened?
Shows were wonderful.
No issues with that.
What black guy hurt you?
Did the black guy hurt you?
Yeah.
Heckled or something?
No, they were wonderful.
It was technically in Alpharetta, which is not Atlanta, apparently.
Yeah.
I told many people Atlanta, and it was just, I lied.
Yeah.
I mean, it's closer.
That's all.
That's Atlanta.
It's like, how big is Atlanta?
Extreme.
You could go a little outside of Atlanta and it's a way different death.
No, of course.
I'm just saying, like, you would say that you're in Greater Atlanta.
No, of course.
It's freezing.
What is the goal?
Have we spent too little on air conditioning this month?
Is that the goal?
Do we have a quota that we have?
Oh, we got a quota.
Because if we don't spend it, I'll get a full hoodie on.
Imagine what we're feeling like.
We're getting blasted by the AC.
He does it sometimes.
We went to a nice dinner.
It had steaks the night.
He had just had a hoodie on it.
My head hurts, and for some reason, wearing a hood makes it feel better.
I don't know why.
I diagnosed.
You got that vaccine for me.
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He's so bad.
Shifty.
Oh, man.
Oh, is this the.
Yeah, let's look at what a six in Poland looks like.
In Poland, solid six, but in America, solid 10.
Okay.
You think other people would agree?
I hope.
I mean, pause.
If that's a six in Poland, they're doing everything right with the immigration policies.
You don't want to water that down.
Like, you got a really good thing going, and you don't want to water that down.
Is that how what is that?
What I just said.
Sounds a little xenophobic.
Yeah, can you be xenophobic for the sake of the attractiveness of your people?
Because you can't guarantee every immigrant coming in is going to be a 10 out of 10.
Unless you vet them.
If you vet them based on looks, then you go, okay, this is great.
And so there's an app where everyone can just vet, and if you're above a 7-2, then you get to come in.
But if you mix that with a little melanin, if it's the right melanin, if it's the right melanin, you got a bunch of seals coming in.
No disrespect, obviously.
Seal, incredibly talented singer.
You know what I mean?
Speaking of seal, he performed that fucking where were we at?
Live.
I'm like, damn.
Kiss for the rope.
That's the bang.
It is.
It is.
Damn, how can you?
Shut it down, though, right?
You really need one.
You need one hit.
He looked like he got kissed by the thorns.
I can't be the first person that said that joke.
I could not be the first.
He kissed the stem of that rose a few times before he made it to the pedal.
So he was there.
It was his daughter's 21st birthday.
And they show his daughter.
It's like, I don't think that's his daughter.
Beautiful.
Yeah, but I mean, she's her complexion.
I'm like, Seal is way too dark to come out with that.
I think that you're making a really gross allegation right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Say it about it.
I'm standing on that.
Okay.
Nah, Seal, you need 18 years back of that buddy sound.
Yo, hey, got you, kid.
That shit is not him.
That's what Heidi Klun.
Yo, shout out, Seal.
Obviously, Seal, we're joking.
We're joking, of course.
He had an acid attack or something, right?
Like there was.
What do you have?
Lupus.
Oh, come on.
It's a medical issue.
Oh, come on.
Come on.
An acid attack.
Joey put in the notes.
That's fucking fine.
Joey put in the notes.
He put in the notes.
Jesus.
It was not my fault.
It was Joey's fault.
Look at that.
Joey put in the notes.
What?
That's his daughter.
All right, we got to look at it.
All right, there we go.
That shit don't make sense.
No, we got to look into it because that face ain't even scarred.
Seal has discoid lupus, a form of lupus that mainly affects the skin, causing coin-shaped lesions and scarring.
Don't even do it, Mark.
Tell her you didn't do it.
Well, not as severe as systemic lupus, which can affect organs.
Discoid lupus can still have a significant impact on a person's life.
Seals openly discuss his, I swear, I thought he was.
I apologize, I am sorry.
I thought the story was he was a homeless guy and he was burned with acid.
Was he homeless?
Did I make that part up too?
I think he was a strong artist.
Black people drove, didn't you?
No, he was homeless.
Keep thinking this is Medea something.
Was he homeless?
Was he fucking homeless?
Yes.
Okay, Pierre Seal, born Seal Christopher Seal.
Sandra Bullock adopted him.
If you were wrong on this one too, you would have to leave.
Okay.
He experienced homelessness during his youth.
At 15, he ran away and spent time couch surfing with friends or staying in homeless hostels.
Okay.
Yes.
Where he was later attacked with acid.
That's not insane.
It is.
AI over you.
He chose to live on the streets, letting his ass feet heal on his own.
Look at the bottom, though.
It says, You can watch this video and learn more about a Navy SEAL who joined the French Foreign Legion.
What does that have to do with the SEAL?
Also, Al might be right.
Okay, so Al SEAL adopted one of Heidi Klum's daughters.
Come on.
Depending on the one you were seeing.
Come on.
When racism works out, come on, man.
Now they do that.
Although he was going to get a rap.
I know.
I know.
He did that shit like he was a conductor of an orchestra.
Come on, man.
What a great guy.
No, I think I actually feel guilty about what I've said.
You should.
I feel he's a nice guy.
He's a good father.
He's had an insane life.
He fled his country or some shit.
Now, now, now.
I think.
Now.
Let's find out.
You're doing now.
Let's double check.
You're doing squid games.
You're doing squid games.
Did he flee his country?
If you're mixing up with Francis and Ganu, it's going to be very born in London.
But where does he live now?
In America.
Fled his country.
Mark, take the L, Mark.
No, he fled England.
Mark, take the L. He's in England.
He left.
Mark, if you don't take the L, we'll never learn.
Whoa.
Banger of a performance, man.
He killed it.
Shout out to his family.
Hey, shout out to his family.
Beautiful daughter.
Beautiful daughter.
Yo, Formula One, greatest live sporting event in existence.
WWE two weeks ago.
Prisoner of the moment.
They call me a prisoner of the moment.
Formula One is the greatest live sporting event in existence.
No, it's not.
Name a better one.
Everything.
You have Formula One waiting two minutes.
Yeah.
You can't watch the sport.
You can't watch the sport.
I could not.
No, listen, look at this.
If you want to see peak athleticism, look at this.
Look at that tire change.
This is in slow-mo, by the way.
Look at that.
Oh, yeah.
What am I doing?
You're such a dad.
What am I doing?
You are such a dad.
Like, how does he?
Okay, now go to the next one.
This, this right here is, I'll never live this down.
I don't know what the fuck.
Like, it looked painful.
Son, there's a layman.
I've watched that video a hundred times.
The guy that I'm talking to has a very thick German accent.
When a white guy with a thick German accent extends a hand, I'm assuming fucking handshake, or he's, you know.
So it's one of those two.
I'm not assuming he's going for the dap at all.
If you notice, at the last second, he brings his hand up.
Obviously, he felt my aura.
He was trying to match my aura.
He's like, there's no way a guy this cool and this athletic and good at doing things he's never done before could possibly go for a tap up.
Watch it one more time.
I want you to focus on his hand.
Oh, there is something.
There is something going on.
You would have missed it.
By a mile.
By a mile.
Buy a mile.
Yeah.
Buy a mile.
But you're like right there.
Son, Al.
They've got the glasses on.
I'm feeling very excited.
There's a lot of fumes.
This is like a lot of jet fuel we're basically working with there.
Now, this is the other angle, which I think shows how quick we put the tire back on and how stupid I look accelerating.
Yes, what?
I don't know what I did.
I wish I could justify what I did.
I think I was looking for people to like high five, and everybody was like, this is pretty normal.
So I was just like, okay, I'll just keep on doing karate.
You never look more Italian.
This is the most Italian thing.
You celebrate it like you won.
I beat the other guy.
I beat the other guy.
The other cars are faster.
So basically, stake this car.
Next year, Audi takes over and Audi is going to build its own engine.
And they hope in four years they'll be able to be at the top.
But right now, they buy a Ferrari engine.
Okay.
And who knows what Ferrari gives them?
They'd probably give them some fucking Fugesi shit.
And there's no way to check on it.
But it is probably a Fugazi from Ferrari.
So, of course, if you're getting an engine that they purposely, you know, we give the shitty fighter planes to like the Middle Eastern countries.
That's what Ferrari is probably doing to us.
So all the teams, like the builds of their cars are secret.
Yeah.
Secret, but then there's like certain standards that you have to uphold and you can call the other ones out for it.
So there's, dude, okay.
Because like, why don't you just copy the best cars?
That's what they try to do, but like the tiniest little wind resistance thing can change everything.
So there's a game of like milliseconds.
The reason why I said it was the best event that I've ever seen, obviously we had like this unparalleled access.
It's like ridiculous what we got to see.
Like it's a different experience.
I get it.
But it brings out this like juvenile part in you that when you hear the sound of the cars.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what I never thought I had that in me to be like, vroom.
I was saying it.
And there was video of me like as it go by, you'd see my mouth go vroom.
So it brings out this like childish nature in you.
And you're literally looking at like a rocket ship on the ground.
That's what it is.
Like feeling that power pass, it is something.
Were you able to go to any like good turns where they would do the passing?
Not really.
I was just like the paddock area.
So that's the one thing I would think that they could work out better with the sport.
Because when you watch them drive by you, it is fucking miraculous.
Especially when it's raining.
They're shooting up all this rain and there's zero visibility.
I was asking the driver, I was like, can you see anything?
And he's like, no, not really.
And I'm like, how are you driving?
He goes, we kind of have the tracks memorized.
So you're kind of like in like a flow state.
So you're reacting.
You can see like the lights in the car in front of you go red for breaking.
So you know it's kind of time to break.
But he's like, visibility is almost zero when it's raining.
And them setting each other up to do these passes.
And you know, like there's a guy who just had a kid three days ago, Max Verstappen, right?
So there's a little part of you going like, oh, he's going to be a little safe today.
And you're like, no, he's not.
He's like cutting people off.
He's like, if you want to pass me, we're both going to crash or you're not going to pass me.
Wow.
You had a kid three days ago.
Do they do any like pageantry shit where like they start the engines all the same time or like a flyover?
The whole thing is pageantry.
They had a fucking car flyover.
I got to do this walk where you like walk.
And I'm just in the walk is just every all these famous people and that kind of stuff.
And everybody is submitting to the excellence of the cars.
Nobody's doing the walk like I'm the thing to see here.
Everybody's doing the walk like, oh, wow, that's that machine that cost $300 million to make.
That's that thing.
It's just, it's just pure excess.
It's like everything Americans should like and nothing Europeans should like.
Like this is popular in Europe.
Oh, yeah.
But it shouldn't be.
Like Europeans should revolt.
They should be like, oh, this money spent on this.
We should put it towards healthcare and like feeding the homeless and giving them housing.
Like we're talking about $300 to $500 million a car.
Yeah, it should be just Russian shit and American shit.
Exactly.
We're the only ones that actually care about it.
And for whatever reason, it doesn't, like, we have NASCAR, but NASCAR feels more working class.
They're driving like police cars.
The cars don't look fantastic.
They have fake headlights on them.
Yeah.
Do they really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they're not driving at night.
So why do you need headlights?
Yeah, they got painted on headlights.
It's all one car body in NASCAR.
That's so funny.
They all have the same car body.
It's just stickers.
Make them look different.
Stock car.
Stock car.
I mean, it was just, I'm no bullshit.
And I am a prisoner at the moment.
I admit it.
It was the coolest thing that I've ever fucking seen live as a sport.
I still don't know if the drivers do anything.
Like, there's a little part of me that's like, if you put me in the best car, I could probably beat the worst car.
Me.
You don't think that?
At all.
I think the drivers have like psycho.
Yeah, because you have to be willing to go at those speeds.
Look at this.
And you're not going to do that.
You get to 80 and be like, oh.
Shelter drops.
Your wife drives you, bro.
What do you think you're going to do there?
He got in an F3 car and then got claustrophobia.
I did.
I couldn't breathe, but that's when we were having a lot of trouble getting pregnant.
And I was really stressed about that.
But I had to get out.
And you know what?
It wasn't even an F3.
It was like an F4.
So before we went on the race, there was a, it's so funny because, you know, this is, these are big corporations.
Everybody's a little bit like careful with their words, you know?
So before the main race starts, there was like a woman's F1, right?
It's called like F1 special or some shit.
I don't know.
But they're trying to like get women into driving, which is crazy because it's not like they have to lift anything.
Like the car does all the driving.
So you think that they could do it, right?
Is it like G-forces?
Like, what is the justification?
I don't know.
As far as I'm concerned, the G doesn't exist.
So I asked him, and I was like, I go, you know, I'm just trying to like make stupid fucking jokes.
And I'm just like, so, you know, the, I'm sure the women, there's a lot more crashes than the women's circuit.
Like, I'm just whatever, joking.
And the guy goes, um, well, there would probably be some good Google searches about that if you'd like to see.
And I go, what do you mean by that?
And off camera, he's basically like, yeah, they're fucking crashing all the time.
Like, we can't put them in the formula cars because it costs too much to fix, but it's not that they crash.
Wow.
That's so funny.
Is it during the race or just parking?
But it was sick.
So you didn't like it, Al.
I mean, it was cool.
It's not, it's not bad.
It's just not the best live sporting event.
I'm just playing a Knicks game during playoffs is 10 times better.
The energy that you feel, obviously, during a Knicks game is really cool.
I will say that that Knicks game exists for like three hours.
And this is like three days.
Oh, yeah, okay.
And like, so there, and then just all the different things that you are seeing and the amount of people that just kind of like submit themselves to the awe of the experience.
Yeah, the spectacle.
Yeah.
And again, it's like nobody is too cool for a fast car.
Yeah.
It just kind of levels the playing fields.
Like fucking Timothy Chalamet's there gawking at a car, the same car that Kirk Douglas is gawking at.
All these NFL players are there just like, you just can't believe it.
I mean, it must be the most expensive sport.
It has to be.
Right.
Like, there's nothing even remotely.
It's like SpaceX.
It's like if SpaceX was for fun.
Yeah.
Like that, every one of these is a rocket ship.
Yeah.
And every single race, something's going to break and they're going to have to rebuild it.
Yeah.
And there's also something about it, like, you can't just try it.
You know what I mean?
Like, basketball, like, you watch a game and then go try basketball.
And virtually every sport has that.
Whereas F1, like, you'll just never barrier to entry is insanity.
Yeah.
Like, we were doing go-karting, and we were like, it's that's as far as we're willing to go.
I'm not going faster than that.
Like, even like Abu Dhabi, we had the access to do F4.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, so even if you wanted to, you couldn't do F1.
Yeah.
So I think that there's also, like, for famous people specifically, there's like an exclusionary aspect.
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100%.
Where they're like, yeah, you just get to watch the most expensive thing, money that I don't have to do a crazy sport that I'll never try.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, I don't know, it's impossible.
Yeah, it was just fucking, it was just really cool.
I want to go to another one.
Who was the coolest person you talked to?
I don't know.
Trying to think.
Any interesting people?
You're like, oh shit, this person's here?
To me, like the most interesting were like the engineers and the people working on the cars.
Yeah.
The little things that, you know, can make such massive differences, how piecemeal the cars are.
Like, everything can be removed and a new thing put on within seconds.
So your firm wing gets fucked up.
There's another firm wing.
Boop, boop, bat.
So you have a spaceship that can be completely rebuilt in a matter of seconds.
Yeah, it's just the monocock.
That's really like the middle part.
I space the same.
You could have the engine and gearbox break down, and within an hour, they have a new engine and gearbox put into a car, everything rewired, and you're racing.
Wow.
So if you fuck it up in the trials or whatever it is, it's just like.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
That's dope.
Unbelievable.
And who are these guys?
Are they like quants kind of like socially awkward genius types?
Some of them are maybe.
And then some of them seem like they were just kind of like the guys who do like the union shit at the theaters we go to.
You know, it's just like a dude who like roadie.
Yeah, like roadies, like for musicians, like that same kind of vibe.
Like, I just love cars, like mechanics.
Like, what would be the coolest job if you were a mechanic?
Oh, yeah.
You know?
It's like I could fix cars in New York at a shop or I could work on a fucking Formula One team and travel the world.
Are any of them like former athletes?
That's what I heard, and I looked at them.
It didn't seem that way.
But I heard all of them were like, oh, Formula D1 guys.
Not at all.
They're all kind of small.
All the drivers are really skinny.
Yeah.
Like really skinny, really lean.
Some of them are tiny.
Some of them may be my height, but like lean, every single one.
Oh, that's interesting.
Apparently with NASCAR, it's that way.
It's like all like D2 football players, a guy that got drafted and then came out.
And now he's just like pit guy.
Yeah.
Moving, you know, gasoline around.
Yeah.
Which like, it's kind of sick if you're a former pro athlete to go fuck around some cars.
And same kind of, I wonder if lifestyle is more similar.
It's like you're traveling every single weekend, super high stakes.
You're part of this crew.
How much do they get paid, do you think?
I don't know.
I'm trying to, I like, I was trying to crunch numbers on everything.
Like, who gets paid the most?
Driver.
No, I think it's the principal, like the person who is like the head of the team who has to like hire all the different positions.
I actually don't know if the drivers are that respected.
Yeah, that's what I'm curious about.
Are they like a jockey?
Yeah, that might be like a harsh thing to say, but like I think that the leaders of the teams and like the top engineers are the more coveted people than the drivers.
Interesting.
Because you could take the worst driver and put them in the best car and they would be competitive.
That's what I wanted.
Like horse racing, you know the horse's name.
You know what I mean?
You don't know the jockey, but you know Sea Biscuit.
I didn't know one of the guys that was driving a car for our team.
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I didn't know him.
I met him and I didn't know if he was like a guy that does the pit stop or if he was driving a car.
I didn't want to be disrespectful, but I didn't know.
Do you know him now?
Nope.
He didn't even finish the race.
I was like, you got to finish for me to take a pit home.
Oh, man.
What happened?
The tire you changed flew off.
It was crazy amount of access that you get.
Like, I'm surprised.
Like, before they just let everybody walk, not everybody, but they let people walk on the grid where all the cars are set up.
And it's like, you could sabotage another car.
Right?
I don't know how you would do it, but you could walk up, look at it, unscrew some shit.
Throw some acid on someone's face.
Who knows what you could do?
Acid attack.
I saw Seal there, actually.
That's why I brought him up.
Yeah, handsome, great guy.
Sweet.
Sweet guy.
I can't believe I said that joke about the thorns.
That was so rude.
I think Al sets a really disgusting tone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I definitely didn't.
He's like a bully.
Like a bully.
He brings out a very mean energy.
Yeah, you really do.
I think it was right to call out that his daughter looks very different from him.
Oh, because he's white.
She's white.
Whatever.
Anyway, it was great.
Shout out to Carbone.
Carbone hooked us up.
Reunited with my boy, my twin, Ryan Clark.
And Jelly.
Also, Jelly is fucking incredible.
I actually got to see him do like a full show.
He's incredible.
Like, he's incredible.
And I mean that in that like he understands.
You could tell he's done decades of shitty shows.
Yeah.
This is the difference maker.
The people who've done decades of shitty shows know how to really like galvanize and rile up a crowd and play a crowd like an instrument.
And the people who have just are a pop star and then they have their hit, without their hit, they don't really have anything.
Yeah, they're learning how to live perform after they're famous.
Exactly.
You could tell he's done.
the toughest, hardest fucking shows.
Because when, because I was curious, I was like, what's he going to do?
Like, we're in this like at this Carbone Beach dinner.
Like, there's all these like fancy people there.
They might not even know country music that much.
Maybe they don't know some of his hits.
I'm like, how is he going to handle this?
And within 30 seconds of bringing it up, he's like kind of doing call and response, almost crowd work-esh stuff, really getting people excited.
Banger of a song that maybe people know but didn't, but it had so much excitement that they're getting riled up and they're giving into it.
You couldn't even tell that he was a bit concerned because like he mentioned that a couple times.
He's like, yo, I'm going to turn this shit into a honky talk.
I didn't realize all you guys like fucking country music the way here play.
Oh, hell yeah.
Look how much.
Pause right there.
Pause right there.
Go back a little second.
Why were you hesitant to put your whole hand on him?
It seemed like you're doing that.
That's Jesus.
What is wrong?
Is that not clear to you guys?
It just, it felt like you wanted to.
It felt like you wanted to embrace him, but you were like a little insecure.
Pictures of trauma.
He was holding on to the camera.
I'm a little strong if I grab him.
You know, he's delicate.
No, you wanted to cross that arm over his chest and just hold him.
But look at your hand.
Look how uncomfortable that hand is.
It looks like not your hand.
Tell us what's going through that moment because you obviously want to be part of this singing and you want to, were you not drunk enough to just be yourself?
I didn't know the words.
To be honest with you, I did not know the words.
If you really look close to me, I'm doing one of those things where you just like, and how early in his set did he play this?
Now this is maybe like midway.
Yeah.
But no, he just did, I mean, he did rap songs.
He did honky tonk.
He did old school classic.
He covers like it was, it was truly amazing.
And the next day he went to go perform in a stadium in Las Vegas with Post Malone.
And then the next day came back to run a 5K in Miami.
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That was crazy.
Oh, really?
I think in Tampa, right?
Some player Florida.
Yeah, yeah.
That's cool.
Now he's moving.
He's moving different.
He's moving different.
Hey, shout out to Jelly.
Lost some weight.
Let's go, Jelly.
Looking great.
Looking great.
I said, yeah.
Jelly's the man.
And how's Ryan?
Ryan was great.
Ever since y'all passed it up, everything's good.
Everything's great.
We had a great conversation.
We had a great conversation.
It was fire.
Just great.
All right.
Oh, yeah.
I got to meet the most talented human being on the planet.
Dressed like Street Fighter, man.
That shit is fire.
He's got World Combat.
Yeah, Jamie's the fucking man.
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Definitely cool.
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Do y'all care about the Matt Gallon?
Sort of in a weird way.
You see, like a crazy off, you're like, oh, that's kind of interesting.
I still barely understand what it is.
Me neither.
I barely, I barely get what's going on.
What happens inside?
It's a dinner, right?
Yeah.
I feel like it's just like Carbone Beach.
Sit down, dinner, then everybody gets up, somebody performs.
But this is the same shit.
This is a fundraiser.
I think it's one of those fundraisers.
Right.
But like, that's the thing that I don't get.
So, like, does it start as a gala?
A lot of these high society events, they make fundraisers as an excuse for like rich and fancy people to celebrate themselves.
So I think it's more about celebrating yourself.
And then you realize, oh, shit, if we keep celebrating ourselves, poor people are going to fucking shoot us in the back of the head.
All right.
So let's make it a fundraiser for a cause.
Right.
But I think that's after the fact.
I don't think that's.
And then the clothing brand picks a celebrity.
I think they make the outfit for them.
And I think they donate on their behalf.
Right.
Yeah.
Celebrity just gets to go.
Right.
But it's more about like a qualification.
Like if you're invited to this event, then you must be like one of the most famous people, whatever it is.
So I think it's like very exciting in that regard.
And then I get why people go.
I get why brands do it.
Like that part all makes sense.
I'm so curious about like the fascination.
Like the amount that it grips people.
People love fashion.
Yeah.
They love famous people.
And they love fashion famous people and judgment.
Exclusivity.
But you also get to judge.
Like you get to be, you know, like one of those chef shows.
You get to say if the food is good or not.
Right.
So I think it like puts us, all of us that are not invited, that are not the famous people that are not, you know, part of like the inside circle.
Not only do we get to judge them, we get to make fun of them because a lot of them are dressed like really foolishly.
That's a good point.
So in a lot of ways, like it's, and I'm guilty of this, like it's easy for us to just sit back.
Oh, look at these fucking stupid people.
But it's like, that's kind of the event's purpose, in my opinion.
They're submitting themselves for judgment.
And there are these designers that are trying to do like the most provocative, ridiculous things.
And on some level, I like that.
Like, I like, I love it.
I like it when people try.
Yeah.
Like, what's his face bringing the piano on his back is fucking retarded.
Yes.
But I like that there's an attempt made to do something.
He's also not doing it, right?
Like it's the designer being like, this is what you're going to wear.
I think you could say no.
You have an idea of what how does it work?
Like, do the designers be like, this is what we're thinking?
Yeah.
And then they collab with them.
They collab with it.
Provocative Fashion Designers00:15:10
Yeah, I didn't know that.
And I like this.
He got music on his back.
Like, that shit, just the messaging for that, I think it's dope.
I'm surprised how easy he's walking around.
I mean, do you think it's an actual piano?
No, I know it's not.
No, no, no.
Of course it's not.
But he's moving very easily around.
Like that shit's still as wide as he's not bumping nobody.
He's not knocking motherfuckers off.
He thought it was real.
No, he did no way.
He definitely unstrapped it and started playing after it.
Like, he definitely did that.
Yeah, walk yourself out of it.
I thought it was a real brand.
You got to take that.
You're watching this video.
You got to take hell.
You got to take that L. He's walking around with a grand piano.
How can he hold such weight walking up those stairs?
I hope there's a video that comes out of him playing that shit.
I'm going to get it.
It might be playable, but it's not a full excitement.
Yeah.
No, if it's playable, then I won.
No, it's just it is just it isn't.
The point is that it's heavy.
You're concerned because it's heavy.
And it's wide.
It's uncomfortable.
He's moving around.
When you see people walking around with like a bunch of balloons, so you're like, how are they doing that?
They're not flying away.
They're staying on the ground.
That makes so much strength.
Dude, I wish I could be in your head for a day and just see the world.
You know what I mean?
You wouldn't see much.
You would love it.
You'd just be staring down at your holding this thing up, dude.
This is such a big penis.
How did you know Seal's daughter wasn't real, but the piano was.
A broken clock is right.
Two times a day.
Oh, Mr. Milchik.
Who is this?
The guy from Severance.
Oh.
Okay.
All right.
Swag.
Nice and hey.
Viva Lisa from Light Lotus.
Oh, yeah.
She's.
This girl is unstoppable.
Have you heard the whole controversy with this outfit?
Tell me right now.
So Rosa Parks is in her vagina.
I've seen people on Twitter getting pissed off.
Wait, what?
So, again, the theme is black dandyism.
So on the outfit, there's different historical black civil rights leaders.
And one of them.
Are we serious right now?
Google it, bro.
I mean, I might have fucking got, but I'm 99% sure.
Did you see this?
No, but I do have a joke, so keep going.
So apparently, there's many different civil rights leaders, and Rosa Parks is over her crotch right there.
Oh, but there's many of them.
Yes.
Not just Rosa Parks.
But to my understanding, that was the one that people were mad.
Why would they do her like that?
Do who?
Rosa?
No, this girl.
This Asian chick.
I don't know if they're doing her like that in a negative way.
You know, she's going to get.
What's wrong with the vagina?
I think vagina is the most respectable part.
I think it's the most respectable part of a woman.
No, think about it.
Like, there could be no more respectable part of a woman's body than the vagina.
It's in many of our definitions what makes a woman a woman.
Yeah, but put it like not on a sideways one.
No, but this is.
Al, what do you think?
Do you think, with all due respect to Lisa, do you think the lips are dark?
Because then maybe they put her in the color section.
That's hot.
Oh, we're going to hell.
Which would be the most disrespectful thing to do to Rosa Parks.
That's the worst thing to do.
You got to put her in the white section.
Yeah.
Right?
That's fucked up.
That was fucked.
But all these people on Twitter are mad about me.
Like, you shouldn't have put it on.
Oh, stop being angry.
They're trying to tell Rosa to leave.
All right, put it.
Let's City Sweeney immediately.
Let's just watch it.
And Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
Personally, I think she ate and left no crumbs.
Personally, her body is teased.
My honest opinion.
Oh, that was good, bro.
That was good.
I thought she could have done more.
I hate you out.
That is the most amazing critique.
How is everybody's jaw so perfect now?
Like, how does everybody have this immaculate jawline?
I also have that question.
Like, what is that?
What is that selecting?
Is that makeup?
Like, what is giving everybody perfect jawlines?
The zempi, maybe?
I don't know.
But even Ozempic, I don't know if it can actually restructure your jaw.
But if it, I think it just, like, depletes so much of the fat and muscle in your face.
It kind of like brings the bones out.
Oh, wow.
But the rest of her doesn't look Ozempic.
Yeah, true.
She looks milk.
It's like Halloween.
Here's the thing about the mech out.
That's fun.
Once we accept that we're the ones that benefit the most, because we get to make fun of and potentially humiliate the most famous, successful people on the planet.
Yeah.
And that is like by design, what the show is about, whether or not they know it, but it's what it is for like the majority of people.
It's kind of great for us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was the theme?
They could just be like, and they could just hate him because he wasn't there.
Because he wasn't there.
So it kind of like works out for everybody.
And I like the designers trying to flex.
Why do white people went so like go better, go harder?
This is a regular outfit.
Yeah, but black dandyism is the theme.
Just a little bit of a, you know, gotta be delicate.
Camp of Rosa on your pubes, and you know, I think everything's gonna be just fine.
Wait, did Kamala go?
Whoa, what is she there?
Obama.
Half black.
Half white.
Oh, I didn't know that she went.
That's kind of fire, dude.
Is that her first time?
Like, is that her first public appearance since?
Who's that?
No, she's done like some speeches, I think.
Is that Lisa?
Jenny, another person.
You thought she did.
Alpha tape, bro.
Like, seriously?
You guys set me up for these things and make me look so bad.
It's a profile of an absolutely beautiful Asian woman at the Metcalf.
You've just seen Lisa, though.
I think that's Lisa.
And there's nobody that can prove me otherwise.
DNA says.
Yeah, you're like, let's see the panties.
We already Maury Povich for Schultz Asian.
Jesus, guys, stop it.
You are not Lisa.
Yo, let me tell you something.
This motherfucker's too handsome.
Oh, yeah.
This motherfucker is too goddamn handsome.
Yeah.
Who is it?
Dampson.
What is the name?
Idris.
Idris.
Dampson Idris.
I've got enough of these British Idrises.
Yeah, there's something about Idris that makes you so cute.
All right, hit that turnaround.
Nah, it turned around with the little smirk.
Like, if we're going to be real, you started freaking laughing.
I was joking.
I was joking.
He turned around with a smirk.
He does it to smirk.
What is it with a smirk?
That was the hand on the shoulder.
Yeah, it was.
Yo, now, just embrace it.
You're wearing near polish.
I saw this gay, non-gay, gay guy that we know.
You can't say he's handsome.
He is.
Why'd you just say that?
Yeah, but now you're talking about charming.
He's also that.
I'm talking about that shit.
I was obsessed.
I almost choked to death on this shit.
I saw this shit.
I was like, damn, I got to get that move down in America.
Look, Dexians.
Fuck you.
Can you try it now?
You got your camera over here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Camera's over here, Al.
Whatever.
Your camera's over here.
I can't.
He's too smooth.
He's too smooth.
Pharrell, he could have gone harder.
I'm surprised.
I mean, he designed all the shits, right?
Well, he just designed the Louis, right?
Yeah, just Louis.
But I mean, there were mad people in Louis.
He did Sabrina Carpenter.
He did Dochi.
He did a bunch of people.
I think, what's her face?
Lisa was in Louis Vuitton.
Which one was that?
Which alpha was that?
Lisa, Jenny, Rachel, Jessica, whatever fucking Asian girl I saw on the carpet.
That's fucking mambo number five.
No.
Lisa.
Lisa's man is the heir to Louis Vuitton.
Oh.
Did you guys not know this?
I was aware.
Did you guys not know this?
If you guys have researched Lisa, you're busy learning about Jenny.
I'm locked in on Lisa.
I know that she is going to be the technically the heir as well once I get married to Louis Vuitton.
Did you not know this?
I didn't know she was going to be the heir of Louis Vuitton.
Not only Louis Vuitton, LVMH.
Whoa, that's a lot of money.
Arnaud's kid is married or fiancéed up with Lisa.
That's sick as hell.
Yeah.
Lucky him.
Yeah.
Are they married?
I don't know.
Let's look it up.
Why is what are you guys doing right now?
You're plotting on something.
I know.
I'm not plotting.
I'm scary a lot.
Lisa's reportedly in a relationship with Chedri Ghana, the son of luxury conglomerate LVMH boss Bernard Arnault, who is worth over $180 billion.
You gotta pull up a picture of both of them next to each other.
Wait a minute.
Sounds like you're making a joke.
What do you know that we don't know?
Come on now.
Come on, Kenny.
This guy, this stupid episode.
He's like a fryer.
What is he doing over there?
He's accentuating the jaw.
I can't do that.
Oh, no.
This is the last thing.
Oh, no.
That's not fair.
You've just taken a shitty picture of him.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
No, that's every picture.
No, he looks better in that one.
Damn.
Yo, shout out to him for starting MySpace, man.
Listen, Lisa, Lisa is.
That is crazy.
Nah.
Money really gets you everything, bro.
Nah.
Nah.
He got the baddest Asian bitch in the world.
He looks good.
He looks like a young Wayne Gretzky right there.
That's the angle he needs.
Stop hating on him with those other angles in that haircut.
You need to go, it's a little better.
Now we're doing a little better.
So she got twin sisters?
Man, Alex, you're being really insensitive.
You're being really insensitive.
Mark is littering.
You're being insensitive.
He's clearly with her girl group called Black Pink, which is another way to describe where Rosa Parker was sister.
Yo, how do we have a podcast, man?
There's too many people that listen to this for us to be, you know, not taking things more seriously.
Yeah, we need to be more.
As Charlemagne says, you know, we're not mature enough to have this conversation, and it is very true.
Yeah.
You know, this is an influential platform, you know?
We decide who rules the free world on this platform here.
Oh, that's a good point.
That's bad.
Yeah.
That's bad.
Too much power.
We owe it to the audience, bro.
We got to step it up.
How do we do better then?
Just try to, you know, influence elections.
Here, have you ever flicked a zip in somebody's face?
It's going to use it at Nasty.
It's nasty.
Can I have a fresh session?
Yes, I got you, my boy.
I got you, my boy.
Any other funny outfits?
Like, oh, they put, what did they put Stevie Wonder in there?
Oh, no.
Come on.
I mean, every day's a neck out for him, dude.
What am I wearing now?
Are you going to let him talk about one of your heroes like that?
Stevie's lying.
Yeah, he's lying, bro.
He's 91.
Stevie's lying.
Do you think he's been pretending to be blind all this time?
Bro, I was talking to Dune Atlanta about this.
White people and black people conspiracies are so different.
Okay.
Like white people are like 9-11, the moon.
And black people are like, Stevie Wonder's lying.
Black people are getting into the flat earth shit, though.
Have you been seeing?
I've been seeing clips of Mark Lamont Hill on Joe Budden's podcast.
No.
Have you been seeing him going back and forth?
I did.
This shit is hilarious.
Because black people are just getting into the conspiracies from about like five years ago.
Okay.
Flat Earth being one of them.
Have you seen any of this?
Have you seen any of them?
I haven't seen it, but I'm already disappointed.
Okay, why?
Because, come on.
Just don't do it.
It depends.
If you're having fun, then it's great.
Are they having fun or do they really believe it?
Let's find out.
You never know.
It could be content.
Oh, if it's just for content, then it's fine.
Wasn't Kyrie a flat earther?
Yeah.
Sometimes shut up and dribble is real.
What?
What?
Come on, guys.
I don't know if Kyrie was on flat Earth.
Yeah, I think Kyrie was back in the day, remember?
I think so.
Yeah.
But he's on everything.
He also said some other wild shit.
He's an internet kid.
Like, whatever's happening.
He's popping on the moment.
Yeah.
You were right about that.
Yeah.
Like some guys over here.
He apologized in 2018 for his flat earth comments.
What's the name of the god in the nation of Islam that created white people?
Have you seen this?
There's a god in the nation of Islam that created white people.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
I was looking at this as well.
I was just responding.
I mean, that's cool, bro.
You pull up Yakub.
Pull up a picture of Yakub, dude.
Oh, this shit is awesome.
You got that up quick as fuck.
So this is Yakub, all right?
Yeah.
Stephen A. Smith.
He's going to be hosting first take this morning.
Let's see what he got to say.
That is fast.
That is crazy.
God damn, bro.
Oh, my God.
Like, the alien god even has a receding hairline.
That's fucked up.
But yeah, apparently he, like, I don't know all the details, but he's like inventive white people, I think.
Like, that's like a battle against black people, something like that.
Really?
Yeah, I don't know what the deal.
Someone should fact check this.
I don't want to be disrespectful to the nation.
You better watch out.
I know.
They don't play.
They're going to curse your wife out while you pass by.
I mean, of all the Islams to piss off, the nation of, I think, is the least dangerous.
You know what I mean?
Nah, they get down.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah, but they don't get down in the way that we're afraid of.
I mean, some would say they do.
They have like the militant motherfuckers.
Yeah, but they're not going to just blow up the plane.
Oh, okay.
That's the concern.
Yeah, in the hierarchy.
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, yeah.
I think the ones the least afraid of are like the Kyries that they're Muslim today and then they're not.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he's Native American tomorrow and all that kind of shit.
Also, Yakub created white people because he has two brains, as you saw in that image.
I just looked this up.
Created white people with one half of his brain and then his brain blew up and he died.
So just want to let you know that's the white people come from.
Yo, poor one out for the dead, dude.
Shit.
Bone Broth Fasting Support00:03:43
We put him on a t-shirt.
Nah, I believe that.
That's what white people do, bro.
He just got Yakub.
Got him airbrushed on a tall tee.
Let's go.
Have you heard that Elmo's black?
No, I thought he was gay.
Oh, he's like a New Yorker, they're saying.
Wait, what?
Some girl at the show is like, no, Elmo is a black man.
Like, there's a whole movement about Elmo being a black dude.
Why does the character have to be black?
It's a Muppet.
That's what I said.
Is it a Muppet?
No, it's a Sesame Street.
He's a Sesame.
He's a Sesame.
But the voice of Elmo is black, dude.
That's why they say that.
Oh.
Oh, Kevin Clash.
Hell yeah.
But yeah, that's what that's what Black True is.
I thought they were saying he was gay, but maybe that's Ernie.
Yeah, Burton Ernie or are they?
100 P.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, dude.
No way.
A weekend in Switzerland, just Burt and Ernie.
You're telling me they're not gay?
Oh, my goodness, good.
Also, everybody that's wondering where Akash is, we can't tell you.
We cannot tell you right now.
There's a reason why we didn't bring it up early in the episode, but we cannot tell you where he is, but we hope that he comes home safe.
That's all I'm going to say.
Yes.
We want to make sure that he comes home safe.
He's not in Burkina Faso, where there has been a successful military coup that Mark will explain to us right now.
He was diligently doing research before this podcast began.
This is wild.
Didn't even say hi to any of us as we walked into the studio.
I was just, I was fucking face deep in my Mac, just getting hyped up, I'll be honest.
Okay.
Because Ibrahim Traori.
Yep.
That guy.
Here.
Come on.
Come on.
Come sit here.
Oh, hell yeah.
Let's go.
Come here.
Come sit here.
Break it down.
Yo, we back.
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Come on.
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Okay.
You ready to talk about Burkina Faso?
Yes.
And just be mature about this.
Okay.
This is a serious issue and it's affecting a lot of people.
Where is Burkina Faso?
So let's G, teach us.
Yeah, let's learn.
But first of all, where is it?
West Africa.
It's near like Mali.
Okay.
And for years, they were colonized by the French.
Okay.
And the French basically colonized them and started taking all the resources.
Yep.
As they do.
As they do.
Only them.
Well, they apparently have their history of colonization is different.
So, like, the British sometimes would come in and like nanny state, but the French would just come in and be like, we're taking everything.
Taking it all.
So then they get independence in the 60s, but the French leave, but then prop up a bunch of their backed politicians that then run the country and just kind of siphon off all the resources to the French.
Right.
Also, the U.S. kind of comes in, starts siphoning off resources.
And didn't they leave military there that were able to like just like break up conflicts?
Yeah.
Like, even though they were free, they were like, nah, we still got a leaf from our military.
They had a presence, and then the president was, you know, backed by the French.
And then they get this guy's son Cara back in the day, he gets assassinated and he was trying to like liberate the country and nationalize the resources.
Right.
And then gets assassinated.
And then basically from then until like 2016, they've just been under like the kind of like French, you know, colonization, stealing all their shit.
And then in 2022, this dude comes in and says, nah, fuck that.
What's his name?
Ibrahim Traori or Triori.
Okay.
Something.
And yeah, basically just takes back the country and starts nationalizing all the resources.
So does a coup, creates a government, and he's not the leader of it.
He's 37 years old.
Fire.
And is just running the country.
Was he a military guy?
Yeah.
Formerly military.
And then, so how did he get the loyalty of the military?
Basically, he was just like, yo, this is fucked up what they're doing.
All these presidents are like humanitarian candidates, siphoning off of resources, leaving our country in squalor.
Burkina Faso has like historically the lowest GDP or like of the lowest GDPs.
40% of the country lives below the poverty line.
Everyone's struggling, but they have the fourth most gold of any African country just getting crushed.
And they're like, what is happening?
Why does this keep happening to us?
And so then they do a military coup, and then the guy that leads military coup ends up getting ousted by him.
So it's like a coup of a coup.
Oh, shit.
Of another coup.
Like, there's just like all these different coups.
And so he eventually gets appointed by like the coup board.
And they're basically like, yeah, Ibrahim's going to run it.
And now everyone.
Why did the first guy get kicked out?
Do you know?
They were unsure of his loyalty.
And then also he wasn't going hard enough on the jihadists.
So there's two problems happening in Burkina Faso, where the one is like the French occupation.
And then the other thing is you have jihadists coming in from like Mali that are now displacing all these people in Burkina Faso.
So they're coming through.
Like 2 million people have been displaced, thousands of people have been killed by this militant Islamist regime trying to create an Islamic state.
What's their name?
They're connected to Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
They have like super specific sets.
Like I don't know what the clique specific name is.
But yeah, basically he's come through and be like, yo, we're nationalizing the gold.
We're kicking all the jihadists out and we're going to make Burkina Faso great again.
There's been like two assassination attempts on it on his life.
Oh, yeah, so far, like that we know of.
And they've tried to like coup him.
So he got super popular recently in April because they tried to do a coup on him.
And he's like, nah, fuck that.
And taken.
So now what happens internally is that you have people within like your own regime trying to take you out.
So there's other people vying for power, like people that helped you get to your position now trying to take you out.
So now he's creating a system.
I don't even understand how they're doing it.
There's not even a ton of coverage on this.
It's like hard to find.
And he's basically like quelling internal coups and basically appointed himself as like the leader of the country.
Holy shit.
Kind of did away with like the democracy hit a quote where he was like, democracy has never progressed a country.
No country's ever developed under democracy.
We need like a strong king to like rule this shit.
And it seems like he's doing it.
So the people of Burkina Faso are like pretty stoked on it.
And now this like authoritarian kind of thing is like spreading through Africa where people are like, we need this in every former colonist state because all of Africa has been now like beholden to their colonial ancestors or their parents rather.
I imagine in the near future there will be no buying of the rights to your natural resources.
They'll only be partnering.
Like I think recently in like Trinidad, there was this leader who sold all of the because Trinidad has oil.
So I think they like sold all the oil rights to the Chinese for like 100 years or like leased it for 100 years.
And like the way this thing happens is that they cut the deal so that that specific person gets super rich, you know, at the cost of the people.
And this happens, I'm sure, all over the world.
But I imagine like as, you know, maybe one of the benefits of globalism is that there'll be these like there'll be these like like international policy like laws in place that will protect the colonial countries from doing this.
But at the same time, these smaller countries do need the investment for infrastructure.
So if you've got all this oil and you need to find a way to get it out, but everybody's living in poverty, you need investment.
So it can operate in a similar way to, I'm trying to think, like I mean, UAE is, in my opinion, the best example of this.
Okay, give me, give me.
So like their British mandate, the English control the whole area and it's not even UAE, it's all the separate emirates.
And then they find oil in the 50s and then Sheikh Zayed brokers a deal with the British and is like, hey, we're going to give you the oil.
At first, they started just getting, like, taking the raw oil, not refining it in the country, not helping the people, just getting all the oil out of there.
And he goes, no, no, no, no, we're going to come together, unite all the emirates, and then nationalize the oil and refine it all here, and then partner with BP so you guys get rights.
And then partner with the U.S., Exxon, all them.
You guys get rights to the oil.
And then that's where the petrodollar comes from.
So like, hey, we're all going to trade our oil.
We're going to give you guys good deals.
We're going to partner with you guys and we're down to play ball, but we're going to help our people first.
And was diplomatic enough to make it work.
Like he didn't get ousted or you know replaced.
I mean, there's a way where it's actually cheaper for the colonial countries to do this because they're like, hold on.
So you'll organize it, stop all the warring factions, because if there's war in the country, we can't extract the oil.
If we have to worry about Giottis blowing some shit up or a coup happening, it stops the oil from coming.
So there's a certain amount of like money that you have to pay for protection for your goods.
So it's probably cheaper to have a leader that will give you access.
And then that leader goes, okay, how much are you paying to protect all this shit?
Okay.
Well, you don't have to pay that anymore because I'm going to protect it.
But I want that delta.
Yeah.
So historically, the cheapest thing was, let's just put our guy in who's going to give us everything.
Yes.
And now let's go.
We'll make him a millionaire.
Yeah.
And we'll just take everything.
But now the people are going, they're educated enough and maybe the internet is available enough where people go, okay, this isn't fair and we're getting fucked.
And there's other examples, I guess, in Africa or even the Middle East where like there's a different system that actually benefits the people.
But then when you have situations like this happen, then they just take them out.
Like Gaddafi.
That is, yeah.
I mean, that happens all around the world.
But now maybe there's enough security where you don't get to do that.
And it's also like there's a lot of shame that goes along with that.
Like back in the day, you could take someone out and nobody really knows about it.
But like if it's making news and somebody gets killed, you have to go, well, who killed him?
And then if it trickles back to France, imagine how we're going to look at Macron or the leadership over there that's basically okaying the murder of a not only the government official, but like the leading government entity in an independent country.
That's a yes and no because a lot of people, it's over there and we can just, it's like out of sight out of it.
And you're kind of you just fund a sort of separate military group.
So don't handle the money.
And you fund five of them.
Yeah.
And then whichever one wins, you're like, oh, great.
We got our guy back there.
But there's a cost too for that.
It's like what the mafia bosses will always say.
It's like, when we're all at war, we're not making money.
Yeah.
Brings way too much attention.
Yeah.
I think that the best, I really think that even for the colonial powers, it works better if you just take, maybe you're making 10% less, maybe you're making 30% less, but you don't have to worry about shit.
And you get to act like you're this like benevolent partner.
Like, wouldn't you rather the world see you as somebody who's like lifting up these African nations instead of this like diabolical, like, I don't want to say like terrorist, but like colonial state.
But it's like they, they kind of do.
So like some of the colonists are like, no, no, we have like aid programs and we're getting you guys aid and we're helping out.
But even that gets caught up by the people in charge if they're corrupt.
Right.
So then the food actually reaches the people.
There's that great example of, I think it's Botswana, if I'm not mistaken.
But there's this leader who is just like, I mean, you could argue, maybe look it up right now, but like one of the greatest leaders in history.
And he basically took this African nation from squalor to like the highest like GDP of any African nation, the highest levels of education.
And he like slowly did it piece by piece.
But first was, I think nobody actually had rights to their minerals.
I think they had like diamonds.
You can look at it and see if it's Botswana.
I'm not exactly sure.
I forget this guy's name.
I should know the name.
But like great example of this.
Like you can do it.
You can pull your country out of extreme poverty, but you cannot do it without the natural resources.
Like the number one, like, because without that, you just have nothing to pull from.
What are you going to do?
Tourism?
Nobody wants to go there.
People getting shot.
They think your country's full of AIDS.
They think.
They think.
No, but unfortunately, that is the perception, right?
So people aren't going for cute little vacations over there.
One of the reasons why we can go to the Caribbean and all this kind of stuff is because we're like, oh, it's safe.
Yeah.
Burkina Faso is in a tough spot because they're landlocked.
So they require and rely on all their neighboring countries for transportation.
Botswana too.
So those are the ones that are most difficult because they're also easily invaded.
Yep.
You're so dependent on the people around you.
Can you check to see if it is that guy?
And then what's interesting is that a lot of people in Burkina Faso now, Ibrahim is kind of like partnering with the Russians a little.
Oh, boy.
Like trying to, you know, get some infrastructure, trying to like cozy up with them because you kind of do need to.
You need a daddy.
You need a little bit of a partner.
Yeah, and so now Russia's like, hey, you know, you've been screwed over by the French, the Americans, da-da-da.
And the American diplomats are like, hey, this coup thing is crazy.
And the Russians are kind of helping him out.
Yes.
What is it?
So Red Say, Kama.
Yeah, Kama.
And it was a comma is elected as first president.
And then he was just like, I mean, there's a great YouTube video I watched on it.
And like, some of these guys do these like really in-depth historical accounts on YouTube, like really well-researched with imagery and all that stuff.
But this guy, Kama, I think he's no longer in power.
And I think the guy who followed him, there isn't like tons of support.
But I imagine he was in power for years.
I think he had like a white wife too.
And that was a little bit.
Snowbunnies, man.
Yeah, he got snowbunnied a little bit.
I think he was educated in England.
If I'm not mistaken.
I just hope we start seeing more of this happen in Africa and the countries just get their resources back because there's so much wealth in Africa and it's just being fucking started.
No, I know.
But yeah, you get people partnering.
And like the tricky thing is you kind of need these people to be educated outside of their country.
Because if they're educated within their country, they're probably part of the propaganda machine that's kept people at bay.
So it's almost like you want them to go to the colonial powers so they can learn what happened to their country in the most effective way.
And then like go to these like institutions like Oxford or Harvard or that kind of stuff.
And like you'd like study business or geopolitics and you learn how trade actually works.
And then you can start to broker these deals and build these relationships with the other countries.
Yeah.
Especially right now where like everybody's terrified of the value of currency.
Like I think gold is at like $3,000 a pound or something in the same price.
So right now is the perfect time to own your fucking gold rights.
Wow.
You know, that's fascinating.
Yeah, because that's the hedge against currency.
Yeah.
And he's looking at the farmers too.
He's like giving farmers free tractors.
Like he's like, so far it seems like everyone likes him.
Yeah.
This is since 2022.
Yeah.
What he does with this sort of unchecked power, we shall see.
That's the thing.
You need someone who's like truly benevolent.
Yeah.
Can you make sure that was right about that, Botswana guy?
I don't want to get that wrong.
And then I think there's like a moment inside.
There's a YouTube video called Saratsa Kama, a life and legacy of Africa's best president ever.
So that's it might be, but there's a few that have been done on it.
But it's specifically like what he did.
Like at a certain point, there was like invasions.
He's like, okay, well, oh, the first thing was after natural thing, it was investing in education.
He's like, because an educated populace is going to continue to innovate.
And his wife was white, it looks like.
Yeah.
Like he had these like step to being a first world country or whatever it is.
And like he fucking knocked it out of the park, you know.
But naturally, having the resources was amazing.
I think at one point, Batan was like part of Zimbabwe or something like that.
But like there was, he had to worry about invasions.
He's like, okay, now we have to invest in military.
Like he just went through the process and he had enough support from the people.
And it's possible.
I guess that's the point.
It's like, it is possible.
He's got to be immune to that corruption, though.
And that's hard.
You get a seat at the table and they're like, bro.
Yeah, no, that's rough.
Let's just give you everything you've ever wanted.
Like, he grew up in a town of 2,000 people in the middle of Burkina Faso, one of the most poor countries ever.
And now people are going to him being like, yo, let's do a deal.
Let's work this out.
You'll be a millionaire, da-da-da, billionaire.
And you got to be able to be like, no, I'm good.
I'm going to help my people.
What if that guy, what you guys have enjoyed?
Oh, that's right.
So, like, what if there's a like, I think about this all the time with Bukele?
I would love to have the El Salvadorian president because it's like.
Did you see the?
I think it's him, but he just got caught selling a bunch of Coke.
Bukele?
I'm pretty sure.
I would look that up.
Yeah, look it up.
So it's like before I congratulate him.
He owns some coffee business in Miami.
And they just, it was a huge bust of like $30 million worth of cocaine that was supposed to be shipped to Germany.
Like, these motherfuckers are crazy.
But check that, just double-check, but I'm pretty sure that was, it's like Western media isn't covering it.
Only like Latin American news is covering it, and they're trying to keep it like super hushoff.
And so he's doing what the CIA did to his country here.
Nice.
Yeah.
That's like get back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, or what we did in Afghanistan when we took all the heroin fields.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, don't sell it in your own country.
But if Canada can sell asbestos to Thailand, then why can't El Salvador sell Coke to some other country?
Like, it's what we tell people all the time.
Like, the issue is taking advantage of your own people.
So that you can get rich.
Fucking over other people.
We seem to look the other way.
America's done it.
A bunch of other countries have done it.
It seems like that's how you become a superpower in a way.
Whether it's through colonization or through selling, you know, narcotics.
But like, there's a market for this shit.
The problem is, is when it just completely erodes the fabric of your society.
Yeah.
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I'm pretty sure that is the bust, but apparently, it was supposed to be in a shipment with this coffee that he partially owns.
But we should put it allegedly right there.
Yeah, yeah, allegedly.
The point that I'm trying to make, and I'm not trying to cap for him, but it's like, I wonder if on some level, let's remove this because I don't know what the truth is here.
Okay, you've taken your country from the most dangerous country in the Western hemisphere to the safest.
Okay, you have like 85% approval from your people.
Okay.
We'll look into it one second, believe that up.
You have, I imagine it's a democracy, so there are term limits.
Maybe.
Let's say there are.
You know, the next people that are going for election.
You know them.
You know them well.
What if you see them and you're like, yo, they can't do it?
Like, this guy's kind of corrupt.
I've been like looking the other way about it, but I know he's easily influenced.
This guy's a fucking idiot, but the people like him, but they don't realize that he just doesn't have what it takes to do this shit.
I understand the impulse to tyranny, even if it's benevolent.
Now, I'm sure there's bad people that look at that same situation and they just go, I just want to keep my power.
These people can't do it, but you really, you just want to keep your power.
But is there ever a situation where you're like, I'm good.
I don't think these guys can fucking do it.
Do I let it go because that is what upholds democracy?
Or do I create a tyrannical state because that's what upholds the society that is benefiting everyone?
I guess what I'm trying to say is like there is a little bit more nuance to the need for power.
And it is possible that there are certain people who are like, I don't even want to do this shit, but it's going to fall apart if this guy gets in power because I know him.
I've seen him be corrupted already.
Yeah.
Well, everyone likes a good king.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you've got a good king that's running shit well and everyone's cool, like, most people are down with that.
They trust him.
Yeah.
Like a wise king.
You know what I mean?
I mean, Saddam ran into that issue with his fucking lunatic son, Uday.
Oh, yeah.
You know, Uday?
No.
He was like an absolute fucking evil motherfucker.
He would have got him right there.
I didn't say who.
I said, no.
No, Uday was his actual son, and he was like an absolute fucking lunatic.
He tortured people, abused people, threw like crazy parties, would make people.
He was like actually Game of Thrones king.
Joffrey.
Joffrey type shit.
Yeah.
And Saddam would try to reel him in and would burn his cars.
Like he owned a bunch of nice cars and he burned his cars one time to like threaten him.
He put him in jail for like a night.
But like Saddam couldn't really reel him in, but also I'm going to count to three Uday.
Torturing.
But Saddam would also then name other people his successor.
And it would piss Uday off even more.
He had his like crazy shit happen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When you know there's no repercussions to your actions, you're going to act out.
Yeah.
And he was just, he tortured the Olympic team.
He's like one of the most brutal dudes ever.
Like the stuff he did is insane.
There's old documentaries on like his atrocities where he's just like pulling people off the street, fucking murdering them.
Also, like, where does he learn that shit?
You don't learn that shit from the movies.
Like you're seeing that within your family dynamic, or at least you're seeing your dad use power in that way and you think it's okay.
Got his uncle shot.
He did some wild stuff.
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Yeah.
Or you can just step it up.
Like, yeah, maybe, but maybe there's a version where he feels like stepping it up is currying favor with his father.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to say that like Saddam is this like fucking I guess my point is he's not this like great guy.
His son is even worse.
Yeah.
I've seen kids like this on much like lower levels where it's just like you got this like rich kid.
You guys probably grew up with him and where like they never really get in trouble for every anything.
They get you went to private school.
Shut up.
No, I didn't.
You went to private school.
No, I didn't.
It was private.
Your bard was, you had to take a test to get in, but there was no payment for it.
I thought Bard is private.
No, it's public.
Not public.
I mean, you have to test to get into the school, but outside of that, you just know payment for it.
Swear to God.
Come on, Tony.
I'm just smart.
But the tricky thing now with Ibrahim is that all these other countries want authoritarian leaders.
Like there's like a push towards authoritarianism because he's been so great so far.
Yeah.
That now are you going to have other countries in the region being like, where's our Ibrahim?
And then are you going to get bad actors that are like, I'll do it.
I actually think he's right, though.
I don't think democracy is the quickest way to progress.
Like democracy led us to civil war.
Let's not.
Maybe not the quickest.
In Ferris, he said no democracy has led to prosperity or something like that.
Oh, well, that's bullshit.
He's not worried about democracy.
The quickest way is what Singapore did.
Yeah.
Like 50 years, you go from a jungle to a first world country.
Like the quickest way is you have like a party in charge and you hope to God they're benevolent and then you ride that shit to the wheels fall off.
And then maybe then once a culture is set, you could start to create some form of democracy.
But I have a hard time believing that like you just go, oh yeah, we'll all vote and everything will be perfect.
It's like you haven't even established what the culture is, what you guys need, what the identity is.
No, you need like an educated populace.
You need people to have access to info.
Yeah.
People are so easily manipulated, especially now with the internet.
You're going to just let democracy happen in Burkina Faso.
Yeah.
Just hand out cell phones to these people in the middle of wherever the fuck they're living.
And like, yeah, you're going to see some shit get riled up.
No.
Yeah.
No country has developed under democracy.
I also don't think that people give a fuck about democracy anymore.
I think that was like.
No, like, I mean, that's funny, but that's.
But, like, but no, I mean, like, you know how we used to feel like it was our job to spread democracy?
Oh, yes.
Like, I don't think Americans care about spreading that shit.
Like, we just want people that agree with our way of living.
So if you got a dictator that agrees with it, bet.
If you got a prime minister, bet.
Yeah, it's so crazy.
Even like Vietnam time, how they convinced people that communism was like an existential threat.
I do think that is true.
But like, how do they get people to be like, yo, we got to stop it?
Well, I got to look more into this like McCarthy shit or like the MacArthur, MacArthur.
Yeah, I got to look into those hearings because he might have been right about that shit.
Like, cause I think that there is, like, I think communism is very seductive, right?
Especially when it's not applied.
When it's not applied, it looks like the best thing ever.
Like, we have to support people.
We have to help poor people have a part of the industries in which they work.
So they're not just cogs in the machine.
And if you have a populace, especially in a time like now, which just feels like jobs are hard to get and they're slowly being more and more taken advantage of by the wealthy, introducing an idea like communism, call it something else.
Americans would be like, really into it.
This sounds great.
If done right, it's actually a great thing.
Exactly.
But it's never done right.
Never done it.
Right.
But like the fact that it sounds like a great thing can easily sway an uneducated populace or even an educated one.
Matter of fact, sometimes education is even better, right?
Because you'll see like what the true benefits of these things are.
So I understand Americans at that time going, shit, this is spreading because all these poor people around the world really want some equity in the industries that they're building up.
If that continues to spread, it could easily spread over here because why wouldn't every American want that?
But that could kill, potentially could kill American prosperity if it's not done right.
So I get like it as an existential threat.
Us being over there in Vietnam, I don't know.
I don't know why we think like if Vietnam falls, then Kansas City does.
But I do get the idea that like, uh-oh, this shit is kind of cash and steam.
And then I furthermore get why the rich people in America would really not want that.
Yes.
So it's like, it's almost like double incentivized.
Do you know what I mean?
Like the rich people who are like, we definitely don't want this.
This is going to fuck our business up.
And then like the permanent government people going, yeah, it hasn't really worked in any of these other places, but it's really seductive.
All right, we're in cahoots on this one where there might be things that the rich people really like, but the American government is like, nah, you got monopolistic practices.
We need to break that shit up because it's actually going to fuck people over.
And the rich people are like, no, no, that's what we do.
We fuck people over.
Yeah, you're not going to do it now.
Yeah.
So when rich people and government are aligned, you're fucked.
Right?
When rich people in government are not aligned, there's a battle.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Wait, which one?
The one with the about cocaine?
Yeah.
What's up, guys?
So pretty much Bukele owns a coffee brand called Beans of Fire, which is based in Miami.
And they just got caught with $31 million worth of snow powder.
You know what I'm talking about?
$31 million in their shipment to Belgium.
So the president personally owns, Bukele personally owns a coffee brand that's based in Miami that's shipping drugs to Belgium.
But for some reason, nobody's talking about it except Hispanic news sources.
So Bukele responded at saying that somebody's trying to smear him.
So let me get this straight.
Somebody put $31 million worth of snow powder in a shipment just to smear dictator Guannabin.
And why does he own a coffee company based in Miami?
This is what I told you guys.
This is what Duerte did in the Philippines.
Pretty much they took out the competition in El Salvador.
He took out his drug rivals in El Salvador and they are becoming the main providers of drugs, the main sellers, the main cartel.
And that's why he's best friends with Donald Trump.
So our tax dollars are going to a drug dealer in El Salvador.
I'm not, yo, low-key, I'm not against this.
It's fucked up.
No, go on it.
Go on it.
It's fucked up, but the world is fucked up.
Okay.
So like when asbestos was banned in Canada, they were still selling it to like Vietnam or Thailand or something like that.
Like they already recognized that asbestos was causing cancer.
So they banned in their own country, but they were still shipping it out to their world countries where they would eventually go get cancer.
And I don't know if it was as direct as asbestos.
Maybe asbestos was in like the drywall or whatever the fuck they were sending.
But like they knew that there was something that was banned in their country that they were sending it out to the world.
I think this shit probably happens a lot.
I think that there's probably chemicals that we create here that we're like, ah, this isn't even good for our food, but we'll send it out to other countries.
But why are you okay with that?
I'm okay with it.
I'm not saying it's good, but what I'm saying is I don't know if this is dissimilar to practices that we and other like righteous first world countries do.
Therefore, I get it, but I'm still against it.
I would say, hey, of course, don't do it.
The right thing is to say, don't do it.
But the other thing is to be like, okay, we have all these fields.
We've seized the fields.
We have all this cocaine.
We can find ways to sell it.
We can profit off it.
Whether we continue to do it or not is, I guess, up to us as a country.
They get to decide whether cocaine is illegal to sell for people or for the government in their country.
Canada decided that it was illegal, but they still were producing it and selling it.
So it's your product.
If other countries want it, they can find a way to get there.
And listen, it's fucked up.
What to me is most important is that you're prioritizing your own people.
So if you're uplifting your own people through what we would deem as like nefarious acts, yeah, maybe it's like a little bit, maybe it's bad, maybe a lot of bad, but it is less bad than selling those drugs to your own people.
Okay.
Is it possible that there's a cartel that's like, yo, we're going to ship this stuff.
We own the shipping and we're going to throw our own product in there and then it'll get sorted out when it get lands.
I also don't, not only do I think that's possible, I also think it's possible that there is somebody trying to smear him.
Perhaps.
Like, I think it's very possible you have someone with that much power, that much support, and he's saying certain things that are disrupting, I wouldn't say disrupting governments.
$30 million to smear a person.
But again, these cartels make crazy money.
Like, $31 million, it's almost tricky because it's like, it is a lot of money objectively, of course.
But if you're a cartel with hundreds of millions, billions, it's like, oh, we can use this for political leverage or, yo, we're just going to throw this in our shipment.
And maybe that's the only one that got caught.
You know what I mean?
Like, there might have been two cartels and you take out all the criminals.
Like, aren't they, they're supposed to be all locked up right now.
That's, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, if this shit is still happening, then does the government happen?
Or does the government take it over and then it's like a national resource?
That's their current seems more likely.
Look.
And I'm like, if America was trading to the fucking heroin in Afghanistan, which I don't know, I don't have like factual evidence that we did that.
I think at some point in time, we did take over like the poppy production, which eventually becomes the heroin.
And if that was part of the GDP of Afghanistan and they recognize it and they're like, well, we can either give them the money or we can fucking sell this shit.
Are we really going to shit on El Salvador for doing it?
I guess to me, what's most important is if you're trying to uplift a country from poverty, destitute poverty and violence, like there's probably going to be, you're going to crack some eggs on the way.
Yeah.
And I'm not.
Greater good is.
Is how are the people doing?
Now, the costs of how those people are doing are how people in Belgium are snorting Coke.
I'm like, boo-hoo.
If he's selling asbestos to third world countries so his people can be okay.
It's like, okay, you're fucking over more poor people so that your poor people can get rich.
I'm not saying it's okay to fuck over rich people, but like I imagine in Belgium, you have a choice whether or not you're going to buy fucking cocaine and snort it when you go out drinking.
Yeah, yeah.
And then gatekeeping a different country doing the shit that a bunch of first world countries do.
Wait, what is that?
What is that?
Like if a bunch of first world countries do a bunch of fuck shit to get rich and then other countries try to do it.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
We did that shit with like low-key.
I kind of feel like we did that shit with the Industrial Revolution.
It's like we were polluting the whole fucking world and became an industrial superpower.
Then the rest of these countries try to do it.
We're like, we have to worry about the environment.
Like China, what are you doing?
Smog.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to make some pro-China argument, but it's like, what do you think our skies look like from 1800s to 1960?
But it is kind of smart though.
100%.
It is kind of smart.
If you're running it, if you're America, being like, yeah, you guys can't do what we did.
This is what I'm saying.
Like, the expectations for your country are different for the expectations for the world.
And I'm kind of okay with that shit.
And if we can use these different levers to apply leverage so it's more beneficial to us, I'm kind of okay with that.
Like we don't live in this utopia where every country just wants every other country to do well.
This shit is a race.
So we got to treat it like a race.
I wouldn't say I'm okay, but I do recognize the game.
Maybe okay isn't the right word.
I recognize game.
I'm like, yeah.
This is the game and we have to play it within the confines of our ethics.
And the ethics within our country are different and we acknowledge this than outside of our country.
And we got allies and then the ethics with our allies are like a little bit closer to us.
Like, so how we treat Great Britain is going to be a little different than how we treat some third world country.
Yeah, yeah.
And what we're willing to do.
And I'm not pearl clutching.
Like, oh, this is the, these guys are the mafia.
I'm like, everyone's the mafia.
Everyone's the mafia.
Okay.
I, I hate when we get too far into Trump's, but this stuff is like, I feel he's moving in a way that's just like so in your face.
Before it's like rich people just paid behind the scenes.
You don't really know who was doing this shit.
Now you think it's blatant.
Yeah.
Like what are the examples of that?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but like the crypto coin thing.
Like where it's like.
What do you do?
So now it's the top 50 holders get a meeting with Trump.
What?
Just paying for access.
So he's essentially selling access.
Yeah.
Now, I. Shit is a little crazy.
So I I agree with what you're saying, which is like, what you're doing is you are pulling away the curtain yeah, and like, and I don't know if that's good or bad.
Well well, the thing is that we like curtains.
We like curtains.
Curtains help everybody.
They keep your private private and my private private, and what we do behind those curtains nobody really knows about.
And if people don't know about it, we can pretend it's not happening.
And the reality is the rich people always paid for access.
Goldman Sacks did it with Obama, somebody other company did it with Trump.
Some other company did it with Combo.
Like, all these countries are paying for access.
There's a reason why all those billionaire corporations were lined up behind Trump during the inauguration and they gave him the million bucks each, like they paid for access.
But what he's saying is, hey guys uh, we do pay for access here.
And I think the American people are like, why don't you just lie to us and do it like y'all did before?
We don't want to think that that's how things work.
So I know it seems like i'm probably defending him.
I'm not.
I agree.
I like to think that there is no access paid for.
The problem is is that I wonder if him and other, I wonder if his administration specifically, since he was one of those people that paid for access.
I wonder if he's like, doesn't everybody know this is how it works?
Like now, we're just letting people pay for access.
Yeah maybe maybe yeah, I don't know that's when I ask a question, it's like no judgment.
I was like I don't even know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's just like.
It's just so different than how things have always been.
You know what i'm like?
It's whoa.
It's like when you're at one of these fancy events and like you know, somebody's like somebody's eating their food the way you would just eat your food, like if I got a chicken tender, i'm eating it with my fingers, and all these other fancy people like why do they?
We eat this with a fork and knife.
It's like you're only doing that because everybody else here would look at you funny, but when we're all home alone, we eat it with our fingers.
Now, I don't know if that's.
I don't think that that's a good justification.
By the way, I think that there should be no pay for access.
I don't think it should be transparent, or I don't think it should be.
Uh face yeah, either way.
So I get that you reaction you have.
You're like what the is happening over here and I I guess I just wonder if like, if they're going yeah, this is how it is.
We're just telling you probably.
Well, that's kind of the accelerationist thing where it's like there's people that don't like Trump, that are like it's good what he's doing, because he's airing it all out and then hopefully people will see how corrupt everything is and then we can fix it.
But let him air it all out, let him do all these things where they expose how corrupt everything is and what he's doing is wrong.
But the next thing will be better because we can stop it.
Oh, got it.
So Trump is not airing it out in a way to expose other people.
He's even exposing himself, is what they would say.
But through exposing himself, he is exposing the system that does exist, just behind closed doors.
And once we're all privy to the system that does exist, then we could change it, because that's what I feel like his administration does all the time.
The second, they do something with immigrants.
They just go, oh look, how many immigrants.
But I think Obama was like I was, Obama's wife Michelle was like uh, i'm.
I was crying when I saw the deportations and then they were like, your husband deported four million more people than he did.
Right, like and I Think that's what the Republicans get a lot of wins on is that the Democrats kind of virtue signal without reflecting on like, what they've done?
And then the Republicans come in and dunk.
So, what Mark is saying is like the next 10 years, whatever it is, could be a reflection of what both parties have done, either out in the open or behind closed doors.
Creating Internal Bad Guys00:03:51
And then we as Americans get to go, yeah, we don't like any of that.
That's ugly.
I hope we can.
Either fix it or put up some more curtains.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or I don't know.
Maybe what I'm curious what you think.
Like, do we just take all the curtains away and just kind of be honest with who we are?
Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if you can have a society function that way, though.
Probably not.
I have no idea.
I don't know if any country's really done that where all the curtains are off.
Actually, this is the Vietnam thing.
I'm watching that documentary on Netflix right now.
I want to hear about that rat thing, too.
Oh my God, that shit is far.
Did you get into that?
Did you do the episode on it earlier?
Okay.
Does it conflict if we talk about it?
No, no, not at all.
But the Vietnam thing, like, they made an interesting point in the doc where they're like, that is the moment where America, all like the curtains started to tear.
Like, that was the moment.
Because right after World War II, I imagine we are heroic, virtuous, benevolent, kind, caring.
Our Americans died for other people to live, and there's nothing more beautiful than that.
Through the 50s, you got some Pacific theater stuff, but it's like, oh, they're just patching up World War II.
No one even really knows what's going on.
And then Vietnam is the first moment where it's like, yes, we're going to do it again.
We're going back out.
And then they get out there and they're like, why are we, what are we doing?
Why are we here?
Like, what is the point of all this?
Yeah.
And then you start to see like the tears come in.
Like, all the conspiracy stuff comes in around that time.
Like, JFK, obviously, the Gulf of Tonkin stuff.
Like, what is what is America actually?
Yes.
And is it good or bad?
I don't know.
You get like a rise in conspiratorial thinking.
I imagine good or bad.
I don't know.
I imagine like upon learning these things, like during that time, I imagine upon like once the once you see terror is in that fabric, there's an extreme pendulum swing where everything becomes conspiracy, which is not dissimilar to kind of what's happening now, which is like, whoa, we've seen some fabric tears, like big time, and then the conspiracy shit went crazy.
And the craziest version is flat earth.
But the fact that we could believe everything is a conspiracy.
Like Bukele said, they're smearing me.
And my knee-jerk reaction was like, that could happen.
Like, things have happened like that.
Or he could just be selling the, like, yeah.
Okay, so that's so that's Vietnam era disillusion.
Yeah.
Have we ever recovered from that?
I don't know.
I'm, I mean, I don't, I mean, no, like, I think the cracks are still there, but as long as everything's fine, you don't really notice.
Yeah, you only notice the cracks when the, when the economy is.
I think we would have after 9-11 if they didn't expose the weapons of mass destruction.
So if we, if we just went on believing it, yeah.
The fact that there was this self-reflection going, hey, there were no weapons of mass destruction.
What we did was fucked up.
And a bunch of these military companies got rich.
Because I never saw the country together as one after 9-11.
Everybody was like.
American flags, pro-America, everything.
Like everybody.
I'm so diabolical.
Now there's like a part of me that's even thinking like the real puppet masters, like when there's no actual bad guy for us to fight out there that's like threatening, do we create internal bad guys and then rebuke them as a country?
Now we're united again.
Then a new internal bad guy.
Rebuke united.
So it's like weapons of mass destruction.
That's bullshit.
We're all coming down and we got that bad guy out of here.
And now we're heroes of our own story without needing a Hitler or without needing a Mussolini or without needing a Stalin with Stalin.
Weren't we kind of aligned though with Stalin?
I mean, in World War II, but then the second war ended.
And no.
He was the threat of communist.
But I wonder if you're like doing like next level, what is that?
Like countrycraft?
Yeah, statecraft.
Statecraft.
Yeah, dude.
Genetic Social Detachment00:08:23
That's kind of scary.
Yeah.
But that's probably the conversations they have.
They're like, yeah, we got 350 million people.
How do we get these people to just chill the fuck out?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then kind of like the movie, the movie studio thing, you probably have real people that have like real honest opinions.
You believe that we need to do this.
And then you have the, you know, people at the top maybe that are like, yeah, we just need to keep the money coming in, keep everything moving economically.
And then they kind of team up, push an ideology, and they're like, yeah, we can, we can become number one with this.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay, tell me the rat thing.
Here's the shortest version.
Universe 25.
You ever heard of this?
No.
There's an experiment that this guy did in the United States, the guy, John Calhoun.
And he was a researcher at the National Institute of Health.
And basically, he was doing these rat experiments where he was trying to see basically the effects of urbanization.
So like post-World War II, you have these cities propping up all over the country.
They're like expanding.
You got New York, Chicago, LA.
They're becoming these massive hubs where people are living in these small, tiny little apartments.
And basically, he was doing these rat experiments to see if you had all your resources met, you had food, you had housing, all that stuff.
Just by overpopulation, would it lead to social decay?
And so he takes, real quick, because I think it's really important.
There's enough food.
Yep.
There's enough shelter.
Okay, so you are met with everything you need or we thought that you needed to thrive.
Yeah.
So he creates what he calls the rat utopia or the mouse utopia where it's 10 square feet and they have all the food possible.
They have all these compartments.
It has a holding capacity of 3,000 mice.
He drops eight of them in there with like robust DNA that they can procreate effectively.
And for 100 days, they just start, you know, banging, just mouse sex everywhere.
They have a bunch of kids.
And then slowly things start to decline.
So around like two years in, it's like a 600-day, or it's like a five-year experiment.
They're all helping each other.
They're living great.
There's like, there's everybody's happy.
And everyone's cooperating.
So like the mother kids, the males are like protecting their families.
And then at a certain point, out of like a thousand rats or a thousand mice, it starts to fall apart where now there's conflict and around like these high traffic zones.
So like whenever the mice are coming into contact to each other, they're like hyper aggressive.
And then the female mice are not protecting their young.
And then they start getting into cannibalism.
And the mice are actually eating each other.
When they don't have to, there's enough food.
There's enough food.
Oh, even when the population grew, they just kept the food at a level where everybody, oh, yeah.
So there's enough food for every mouse.
So every time a new mouse is born, they inject more food, more food, more food.
So everyone has enough food.
But they're still fighting.
And they're still fighting.
And then they're creating...
Tribalizing, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And they have all their different compartments.
They can all spread out.
And then at these food centers, these like high traffic zones, they start to get aggressive.
And then it goes even further.
Once they get to like 2,000, the birth rate starts to drop.
They stop procreating.
Mothers stop protecting their kids.
At certain parts of it, there's a 90% mortality rate of young because mothers are not protecting their kids.
And so then you have hyperaggression from the males, lack of maternalism from the females.
And then the most interesting part is that you get some of the mice that become socially detached.
So he calls it in the experiment, the beautiful ones.
And there's an interesting parallel with Japan.
So the beautiful ones in the experiment are these mice that basically just checked out.
They had food.
They would go in their little compartments and they would just groom themselves like neurotically.
And they were pristine.
They were like the most beautiful mice of the whole thing.
Some of them were like, you know, chewed up and eaten up in battles and stuff.
These ones were just fully detached.
They were like, they had nothing to do with the society.
Now, there's a thing happening in Japan right now, the Hokio, the Hokimori, if you can look it up.
And basically, it's a group of people in Japan that have kind of like dubbed themselves these like detached people of society that don't really participate.
They get like some assistance from the government and they just kind of like live in their houses and they don't really go out and they are completely isolated from any type of community.
And as a result, yeah, the haikikomori.
They just leave in extreme isolation.
And people have pointed to this, be like, this is basically the beautiful ones of the experiment.
They just kind of detach fully from society.
But I would also imagine that the birth rate decline mirrors the decline of birth rates in urban centers.
Right.
That's what people have said.
Yeah.
The violence.
It's like, it's not like, and again, I can't speak for everyone in New York, but it's not like people, like, I see fat homeless people here.
You know, like, you like, there's food here.
There's food centers.
It's not like there's starvation happening.
Yes, there are people that are worried about their next meal, but it's different than in third world countries.
Let's put it that way.
And there is access to resources if you need it here.
Yes.
So, but you still see this like reduction in birth rate.
You still see the tribalism.
You still see like hyperaggression.
And it's funny that like it's not about resources.
It could be simply about proximity and how humans interact with one another when there's too many of us in too small space.
We're not just fighting over fucking gold or water or food.
It's simply we're not supposed to be around each other like this.
It could literally be that.
Yeah.
And so the eventual conclusion of the experiment, it didn't even get to the holding past.
It got to like 2,300, 2,400.
And then the numbers started going down.
They stopped reproducing until eventually the whole society just fell out.
They call it behavioral sink.
Behavioral sink is just the whole thing basically just like crashed down.
And the interesting part is they took some of the mice out and put them into normal enclosures.
And even the mice that they took out never adapted to the new enclosures.
They continued to have aggressive tendencies or non-maternalistic tendencies.
And so they still had the maladaptive behavior from the original experiment.
And then the kids of the mice with maladaptive behaviors continued to have hyperaggressive tendencies.
And so there was like an epigenetic problem within the mice where they could prolong the effects.
This is actually something we should talk to Atia about with the epigenetic effects, like where you could potentially pass on trauma.
This is really interesting.
Women are born with all the eggs that they'll have throughout their menstrual cycles.
Therefore, they're less susceptible to epigenetic factors.
Meaning, like whatever's happening in your environment and how it influences you, what you pass on, since they're born with all the eggs that they'll have, it's harder to transform those eggs and then pass on those genetic differences.
What essentially is happening is all of evolution is happening through sperm.
So the things that happen to the male, remember, we reproduce sperm every five days or whatever it is.
Like you bust a few loads and then you continue having.
So the things that are happening in your life that are impacting your life, the food that you're eating, the environments you're in, the things you're experiencing, you could say it is passed through to your young through the male because that sperm can be manipulated by the microplastics or all these other things that are happening in the world.
Kind of interesting that like evolution is dependent on the man.
You know what I mean?
Like this is happening to women just at a much slower rate.
Not saying that these things aren't affecting them.
They 100% are, but they're not changing the eggs in real time.
Yeah, yeah.
Whereas like the sperm can be changed like month by month.
Yeah.
It's just kind of a crazy thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, and I don't know if this works, but like you going to war and coming back and carrying that trauma, I don't know how that affects your sperm.
I don't know.
But if there is some sort of societal or environmental effect on your sperm and it could impact it, like, is there a point where you go, I think you got to hold off five years so you can work through this stuff that's in your body.
Like you were exposed to this thing in at war.
It could be Agent Orange or whatever like that.
That's going to be in your sperm.
Or you were addicted to heroin for X amount of years.
Like you need to flush whatever you got out before that same thing gets passed on.
I don't know if the research has been done to that level, but it's kind of cool to think about.
Yeah, I've even read some stuff like epigenetics.
This might be pseudoscience, but epigenetics is environment, right?
It's just like epigenetics, as I understood it, is like basically passing on genes and having traits in your young that are environmental from the parents.
Right.
So it's basically like if the parents experience something, it's possible to genetically pass.
That's just what I want to clarify.
But like through like emotional shit or like high stress environments, like high anxiety parents having children in high anxiety times could create high anxiety children, even if they're no longer anxious or raised in a non-anxious environment.
I don't know necessarily what the data is on the current science, but I've heard these things.
This is the cool shit to learn about, though.
Yeah, we should talk to a T about it.
Epigenetics and Environment00:02:59
Yeah, just one thing on the rat experiment.
I feel like people in condensed areas tend to be a bit more open-minded and liberal towards other people because of the close confidence.
100%.
Isn't that like going against what happened in that experiment?
Critics of the experiment would be like a few things.
One, humans aren't mice.
That's the obvious one.
Like they don't have the consciousness or like the ability to like discern threat or not.
They just kind of acting on it.
They probably have lower capacity to change intellectualized situations.
And then additionally, people said that this is not a utopia.
He called it a rat utopia.
They're like, there's high density channels where people are bumping into each other.
There's intentional conflict on these frequency corridors.
Where one, if you can build an urban design well enough, you can decrease that.
And two, in the wild, mice, when they're experiencing a threat, are going to run.
They're not going to fight.
And you have no place to run.
Exactly.
They're fighting because they're in an enclosure.
Gotcha.
That's a good idea.
And so they're like, you can leave a city, you know, like you can run away from a conflict.
Things like that.
To wrap this up, go to jail.
Exactly.
More so.
Nicely ranjill.
But as a result, policymakers have taken the experiment and applied it to like theme park design, jails, all that kind of stuff.
Smart.
Where they're like, okay, in the experiment, there's only four zones where they can get food, something like that.
And now they're like, disperse it, put it all over.
So now theme parks will have food, like tiny little 50-person stands all over rather than one giant spot where everyone can get food because they're trying to lower contact.
I would also say another criticism of the experiment and why you can't exactly compare it to the urban centers in America is that like, and maybe this is why the urban centers continue to thrive, is because people move here.
If it was just us, it would fall apart.
I genuinely believe that.
And I think a lot of us end up moving out.
Like a lot of my friends that grew up in New York have just moved.
They went to the suburbs.
They don't go too far, but they get out of it.
They get out of the rat race.
And like even like, you know, I mean, your sister went to Philly.
Yeah, but ever since she was young, she never liked being around people.
Like she was a suburban person.
Right.
I mean, you guys grew up in a beach community, so there is a beach.
She's probably searching for that.
But in all seriousness, I think that what allows these urban centers to continue this inorganic way of living is this influx of new people hopping on to the American dream.
And I don't know if it was just us.
Like I think about this a lot.
Like we're used to it and we're accustomed to it, but it is unnatural.
Well, then you look at Japan, you're like, okay, very low immigration, very low immigration.