Andrew Schulz recounts his WWE Raw altercation with Logan Paul, where he was thrown into the ring after refusing to lie about a match. The hosts debate Hollywood's post-Weinstein overcorrection and moral frameworks, questioning if secular ethics lead to societal collapse. They analyze U.S.-Israel relations, arguing that foreign aid relies on emotional perception rather than logic, especially as domestic economic struggles wane support for conflicts. Finally, they examine LeBron James's diminished leverage regarding his son Bronny's NBA prospects, contrasting modern media scrutiny with the protective era of Michael Jordan. Ultimately, the episode suggests political and cultural narratives are driven by tribalism and dopamine-fueled conspiracies rather than objective truth or shared prosperity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Raw Wedding Balls Special00:13:05
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant.
Listen, I just got to start off the show by saying I did not know that that was going to happen last night at Raw.
I mean, a Logan mentioned that, like, hey, I might like point at you or something like that.
And then this Judas runs up on me and tries to make me lie to everybody at Madison Square Garden.
If we were at like the Brooklyn Nets Arena, whatever the that's called, okay, I'll lie all day.
I'll do whatever you want for the wrestling, right?
Not in Madison Square Garden.
So I tell him the reel, which I think you should do to someone who I thought was a friend.
The guy invited me to his wedding last week.
So I have to tell him, like, listen, nobody's here to see you.
You're not even wrestling tonight.
His ego is so fragile, he grabs me, he pulls me over that.
I saw it in front of my wife.
Yeah.
That's pretty emasculated.
I just put out a special about how my balls don't work.
Yeah.
And now I get bent over a railing in front of my wife.
And in front of Dub.
Both of them.
Both of my wives.
Both of my wives clutching their pearls.
Just faint a word, man.
If it's on site for local.
Yo, to be honest with you, I was shocked that you didn't pull up, bro.
No, I didn't try.
I was shocked.
I was a little too far back.
Really far back.
You were like second row or something like that.
I saw you.
A little too much effort here.
You did that?
Honestly.
Honestly, I felt let down, bro.
I felt let down.
Because I had my boys right there.
I had my boys right there, and I thought you were going to jump in that ring.
Thank God for AJ Styles.
I mean, you're a die-hard.
I'm not going to have perfectly time ticket bags.
Well, when did you buy tickets for this?
Second?
You bought tickets for this?
Yeah, I bought tickets for it.
I got to take my calendar.
Where did he buy it?
We bought the tickets for it.
Like months ago.
Yo, months ago.
Like the second it was announced, I was like, oh shit, Raw's coming.
I'm going to that shit.
Like when who was fighting?
When Seth Rollins were announced.
They were going to be headlining in a steel cage match.
Have you ever fucking seen a steel cage matched before yesterday?
I've never seen a steel cage.
Yeah, and it changed your goddamn life.
Yeah, I thought it was sick as hell, to be honest with you.
Yeah, so did all of us.
That's why 18,000 people were there.
I can't see that.
Not Logan Paul.
You fucking jerk.
Okay?
And you guys could have had my back.
You could have had your moment, okay?
He got brand new Air Force Ones.
He wasn't going to ruin him for that.
Why don't you take off your shoes like that little Asian girl wrestler that came into the ring?
You know, that was the best moment.
Mark got a video.
That was cool.
That was kind of her promo, and she was just leaning into that accent.
She was going for it, though.
And she slapped the shit out of those girls, man.
Oh, yeah.
I like that kind of energy.
You saw the jewelry fly everywhere?
Yep.
Yeah, that was far.
Yeah.
I like that kind of energy.
You saw Dove reaching for it.
She's in Jim.
He's like that thing for Fantastic Beast.
Anyway, now Logan needed to get his, bro.
I ain't going to lie.
I thought that was crazy.
Yeah.
That was messed up.
So we'll see what happens.
He got to check in when he comes back to the show.
No, you know, he got to check in.
Matter of fact, I might go to your wedding now.
I wasn't going to go, but I might go to your wedding.
I might hit you with a fucking suplex.
Okay.
I also just like to point something out for the historic record.
I think I'm the only person in wrestling history to be pulled over a railing, thrown down on the floor like a rag doll, rolled into the ring, put in a suplex, not officially suplex, and still jumped on a top rope.
Nobody in the history of wrestling has done less to get on those side.
So you look at it, he was like, fucking, I'm going to go.
I'll be honest, I wasn't going to do it.
Then AJ was like, yo, go do it.
Go jump up there.
And I was like, I ain't going to ever get this opportunity.
No, worth it, though.
Oh, yeah.
It's worth it.
Me and Miles is like, oh, man, he's going to hurt himself jumping down.
I was like, he gonna pull something when he jumps down.
There's a moment where I thought I was going to catch my foot on the way up.
I didn't know if you jump on the top rope or the second rope.
And I was like, I thought about the top rope.
I was like, ain't no way I can balance on that motherfucker.
Actually, kind of like went like this.
And he went face to scorpion.
Stretcher him out.
He would have left looking like Rey Mysterio.
There was a match.
I don't know if y'all saw that when Rey Mysterio, he did that, like jumped off the thing.
Is it really him?
I think it's like shamoo.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
You know how like shamoo, they would flip out with another shamoo.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I figured that.
Yeah, exactly.
So they hit up fucking Home Depot.
You know, whatever.
You get one whatever city you're in.
That's the mystery spot.
That's mysterious.
You never know who's under there.
There's no way.
Now, this one is incredible.
That dude's like 50 years old.
And he did that one move.
I don't know if anybody saw it.
I thought they were going to stop the match.
He did this one move where he like flips off and he is like ankles are supposed to go on the guy's neck and then flip the person.
Okay, yeah.
He was on like the top body.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
He does it, but when he's coming down, he hits his neck on one of the ropes.
Oh, shit.
Oh, I missed that.
And like his head slams back.
And I was like, oh, he's dead.
This is 100%.
Son, so many times last night, I was blown away.
I was blown.
I thought I was at like a Bonnie Blue meetup.
There was everywhere.
When they're doing the punches and shit, you're like, all right, this don't really look real.
Like, whatever.
But anytime they're jumping off a ship, it is insane.
Yeah.
Like, you still got to land from 10 feet in the air.
I don't know how these guys, I mean, I'm 41 years old.
There's no way I could do this and then do anything the next day.
Yeah.
I mean, you rolled into the ring pretty good.
My hip hurt.
I did PT this morning.
You're feeling it?
Say what?
Are you like, you feel good?
Tell me, I'm all right.
I'm all right.
You look fucked up.
Because he passed the physical, remember?
Yeah, he passed the physical.
You had to pass the physical.
If you don't pass physical, you can't get in that ring.
Exactly.
Shout out to the New York State Athletic Commission.
Let's go.
Sometimes bureaucracy works.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, for six.
That's why I didn't jump in.
I didn't want to get you in trouble.
Because you didn't pass the physical.
He did the physical.
Yeah, I know.
Pussy, bro.
Big time pussy over there.
That's great.
You got a lot of juice, man.
That's great.
Was that the last time you got a physical?
Other than last night?
I think I had to get one for Netflix.
I told him that shit.
I was like, by the way, I already got a physical for Netflix.
And he was like, yeah, I think it might be a little different physical.
How come physicals in high school they had to touch your balls?
Do you remember that?
No, they never did that with us.
Mark Tomo, tell us about what happened when you were funding the ball.
Tell us what happened when you were homeschooled about this physical movie.
So your priest gave you physical stuff.
No, bro, it was not a priest.
Every school.
This story is so fucking traumatizing about you, bro.
Did this not happen with you guys?
You don't need physicals for high school students.
No!
They would touch your balls.
Yeah, if they did that, they would know my shit was just sitting at the bottom.
So I'm the face of sperm that sucks.
Yeah, I know.
You know how many dudes is coming up to me on the street like, yo, I got the same problem.
There was a dude on a city bike that literally hunted me down on the street just so you could be like, yo, my sperm sucks too.
What do I do with that information?
I mean, you just dap him up.
I did.
It's like when you do an advertise for AIDS and shit.
Fuck you.
I'll forget that.
You know, Magic Joss.
That should be the marketing for Netflix.
You should do a billboard.
Like, like an IVF thing.
Just like your face.
Shut up, Mark.
You piece of shit.
You're a real jerky.
You're a real asshole.
You guys complained about how one ball was just crazy big.
You're smart.
Why did you actually get it checked out?
Why didn't I get it checked out?
Yeah, well, you had that ball issue for mad long.
Well, I don't know.
It made for great content out of the pod for years.
Yeah, yes, it did.
But I think it's probably because I'm not like somebody on this podcast that tries to get his balls rubbed by every man in his fucking life.
Oh, tell us about that.
Yeah, tell us about that.
Okay, Miles.
And when you were not in school, I know.
First principle you go to.
Was it a Florida thing?
I can't tell if you guys are fucking there.
It's like the Florida thing.
When you did physical balls before David comes in here and slams it on Miles' nose.
Miles going to beat him, too, and he's not scared.
Yeah, David's in the building today, so we can talk about this little gay romance as boss.
I can't wait.
You got to fill people in for anyone.
But we hired three women in the office.
I didn't realize that Miles is going to fuck the guy who's already working here.
Is that an HR violation?
Well, I said nobody harass the women.
I said specifically to all the other guys, listen, there are women that are working here, and there's going to be no fraternizing with them at all.
We need to respect.
We have a rule.
There's a rule.
You do not fraternize with the women at all.
I'm a rule follower.
Yeah.
I followed all the rules correctly to the T. Not mix this up.
So what are you trying to say?
I'm just saying you said a rule and I have not broke it.
I'm a good employee.
And then you are a good employee.
You do no wrong.
But are you having a sexual encounter with David again by any chance?
No.
There were no, I did not have sexual relations with that ads man.
What'd you call him?
Adsman.
That's a nickname in a bedroom.
It's like madness, bro.
Oh, fuck.
Damn, Miles.
Are we going to bring David in?
Yeah, we got to bring David in because the people know, right?
We were talking about on public episode.
No, no, it was Patreon.
Oh, it's Patreon?
Yeah.
There's no way.
It was on patreon.com.
Yeah, Patreon.
Patreon.com slash flagrant?
I think so.
Oh, my God.
That felt like a shameless promo.
That one exactly felt like it was a completely shameless promo.
It felt like me showing up to WWE Raw the week.
Yeah, something special came out.
That was real.
Even though I bought those tickets months ago.
When did we buy those tickets, Duff?
Do you remember?
2022.
2022.
You know what's funny about wrestling?
Wrestling fans are like, I actually really like this about wrestling.
So back in the day, there was this illusion that wrestling wasn't scripted and all these like punches were landing, whatever.
Now the base is so acutely aware that it's scripted.
Now you don't have the facade.
There's no like thing that there's no lie that needs to be told.
Now you get to get them on story, but they appreciate that they know all the terminology.
They know like baby face.
They know heel.
They know all that kind of stuff.
They know like when you get a move done on you, it's called a bump or whatever.
So, you know, they're seeing this thing happening and they're reacting to the thing as if it was a script, which honestly really hurt me because I didn't realize that this whole fucking thing was going to happen in the first place.
Yeah.
You know, but and I felt I felt this is your close friend.
Yeah, this is my close friend whose wedding I was going to not go to already, but now I'm really not going to go.
But I did get an invite.
Man, it's on site for him.
It is on site.
Okay, but I do appreciate the wrestling fans as well.
I'm trying to say.
I was surprised to see the amount of adults there.
I thought I was going to see way more kids.
Like it was like maybe five or six.
Mark and I are the only people that have kids in all of New York City.
And you're the only one.
Two toddlers in New York City.
And Mark and I own them.
Yeah, that's maybe it.
But the whole thing Al kept on leaning over.
He's like, yo, where are the kids, dude?
Yeah, you're a fucking crowd.
I was trying to keep him away from this.
I'll try to get him out physical.
What were your guys' takes on it?
What did you guys think about the whole spectacle?
Oh, it's great.
It's just like, it's nice because it's sports, but you're able to interact with the athletes in an honest way.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you go to like an NBA game, you can't talk all the shit you want to talk.
Yeah.
Whereas with these guys, you can go crazy.
And just like, it's.
They talk shit too.
Yeah, it's funny.
This motherfucker with one of these guys was talking crazy shit to me.
Say what?
I watch a special.
That shit sucks.
Oh, that's crazy.
Yeah.
So now I'm like reflexive.
My wife is right there.
You insult me.
And I'm like, yeah, hey, why you got knee pads on?
And then the dude came.
So the guy comes back.
The guy comes back afterwards.
And like, I'm like, I'm like trying to dap him up.
And he goes, he's like, he's like, I can't slap your hand in front of all these people.
Like, he's really keeping up the case.
You know what I mean?
He's like, because I can't slap your hand in front of all these people, but I just want to say, I like you.
You're a funny guy.
And I'm like, oh, thank you.
And he goes, I can't slap your hand in front of all these people.
And I'm like, okay, you're a piece of shit.
Like, I didn't understand.
I didn't know how to be angry and positive.
You know, but it's, yeah, the commitment to it.
Yeah, dude.
Also, you know, what's what's what's?
This is the most embarrassing thing is uh, when you're not in the action, you don't know what to do.
So, like I have a lot of respect to the people who aren't doing the thing.
They're like on the sidelines but they're like invested.
Still, they're doing their little thing.
They're like emotional or they just did a move on, someone did a move on them and they're like reeling, but they're committed to that.
Yeah, because there's a moment where i'm just sitting on the the ropes.
I'm like, so what y'all doing, like this seat is fire, you gotta get this front row seat.
Like i'm just there.
At one point I just shook the ropes.
I didn't know what to do.
You need to go, you need to.
No one told me what to do in that moment, not that there would be anybody telling me.
I didn't even know I was gonna.
It's raw, it's monday night raw, it's raw yes, it's.
But there is a moment where you get thrown.
You're like, and then age comes in.
You're like, all right nice, and then Aj slaps you, stand up.
You're like, yeah, it's my deep breath.
You know you're not injured anymore.
Macaulay Padded Chair Moment00:08:48
Not at all.
He gave me the.
He gave me the energy.
I needed telling you it's raw out there bro, you're 100 right, you're?
That's amazing.
What's up, guys?
World's fastest dates ever.
Okay, don't fast forward.
All right, we're gonna be at Maryloo in New York City march 25th.
I'm gonna be in Portland Maine, april 27th.
I'm also gonna be in Bangor Maine, on the 26th, and then a bunch of other dates are gonna be announced very shortly.
Uh, we got Atlanta, we got Charleston, we got Indianapolis, we got Portland.
Oregon will be later buffalo, Philly and Raleigh all coming up.
That will be available on my website Themarkhagon.com and uh, we'll see you guys there.
Thanks so much.
Can you take that stupid picture of the three of us now?
This is nice.
I've just my wife hiding from the camera.
This is beautiful Dove showing off his jawline looks good, honestly.
Yeah, the the other fans over there were awesome because we were with like the hardcore.
Yeah fans, and tell me their reactivity.
What are they?
Going crazy, and they're aware of all the storylines, they're aware of everybody and they're like talking.
They're like, oh, we're on the road to Wrestlemania.
Just get ready.
After Wrestlemania it's gonna suck, like they.
Everyone's got like their own, like directorial cuts of what should happen.
Love it.
There was one dude in the very front.
So everyone that bought a front row seat got a commemorative chair to take home with them.
And there was, wait, what so?
Like, if you, if you bought like the front row seats on the lining, they gave you a commemorative like uh, WWE folding chair with, like the logo and stuff on it logos they're just getting you to clean up.
Truly yeah true, to find a way to get the fans walking out with chairs yeah, and they're on their.
And there's a guy in the very front in a wheelchair oh, no.
And they were like, do you want your chair?
And he was like yeah, and they were like, all right, we'll take it.
He's like, I can, i'm in a wheelchair.
And so now the management and msg is like, take the chair.
He's like, I, I want it, but I can't.
Can you mail it to me?
And the guy's like, no, I can't mail it to you.
So now they're like trying to hang on the back of his electric wheelchair.
It's like a whole thing.
He's there with his dog the dogs barking wheelchair with a dog too, that's fine.
Yeah, he was like a, like a husky, He was mushing.
He was flying.
You never see that.
The disabled Eskimo, that's fire.
What was your favorite match?
I mean, Steel Cage is crazy.
The ending with Roman Reigns.
Yeah.
That motherfucker, like, there are certain dudes are just, they are it.
He's like a superhero.
I didn't get it until I saw him first.
Yeah, he has presence.
Yeah.
Seeing it live, they're people that can really like command the energy and they like milk the energy.
And also, there's a physicality to it.
Like, he's a huge guy that's incredibly agile.
And when he did that spear or whatever the fuck it is, was like right in front of us, it was unbelievable.
Also, the CM Punk and Seth Rollins dudes.
This is another thing I look at.
Like, how much do you believe what's happening is really happening?
Like, how much do you believe the pain that you're enduring is really there?
Like, if you watch them, they believe it.
Oh, yeah.
They are 100% in.
They're like sweating.
They're exhausted.
And we can kind of become part of that reality if they actually commit.
Oh, yeah.
And CM Punk's sitting in the cage as people are leaving.
He was the last one to leave.
Yeah.
I think he was just sitting there the whole time.
Yeah.
Just milking for the next 35 minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's awesome.
No, it was like seeing those two guys, like that was, that was really elite.
Yeah.
Like those, those guys probably doing it decades, but that was elite wrestling in terms of like commitment to that match.
Oh, I mean, taking a suplex off the top of the cage.
Nah, crazy.
It's insane.
Yeah.
Like the way the crowd reacts.
That's far.
I didn't realize how hard the canvas is.
Like it's like a hard, like I thought it would be like springy.
Yeah, you should see how hard the floor is.
It's even harder.
Wait, is it padded?
I actually want to.
No, it's not padded.
My hip was a padded.
It's not landed right in my fucking hat.
It doesn't have like a little like.
It's like a yoga floor.
No, that shit is made out of concrete.
They make it look like padding for the people at home.
But in reality, for those of us, the professional people, those of us who are actually professional wrestlers and been in that environment, it's harrowing.
That experience is harrowing.
For real, dude.
You would make a great professional wrestler.
I mean that.
Listen, that's the last thing I want to do.
Why are you going to lie to him like that?
Before you make that decision, can I just show you one move real quick?
You're telling me, hold on, Al.
You're telling me that this doesn't introduce excitement in this crap?
That's calm.
Like, you shook it like it made noise.
I dumped it.
It doesn't make noise.
I felt like it got the fans into it, though.
I got it.
You know what I mean?
I found that out.
Nah, wait, keep it out.
Damn, man.
I didn't know where to put my hands.
I think I almost grabbed his tuckers.
Oh, watch this.
Watch this.
Watch this now.
Oh, my God.
You was in it.
You was in it.
So now I don't know what to do.
I was just chilling at a bar.
Yeah, you're supposed to be hurt in the corner, man.
Yeah.
So that stuff is great.
It's just crazy.
Yes.
So here's this moment right here.
We're like, I want to dap him, but I don't.
Okay.
So before that, I wanted to go dab him, but I didn't want to mess up his celebration and just be out there like this.
But he was great.
Are we missing on John Cena, though?
I was trying to see heel John Cena.
Yo, we got to see heel.
I mean, like, he should have snuck in like a leg drop or something, just something a bit surprising.
That would have been.
That would have been hot.
That would have been.
That's the other thing.
Like, I wonder if I did some extra shit, but it was, it actually worked out.
I don't know if WWE would be that mad.
Why would they?
But if it doesn't work out, yeah, that's even better, though.
Then I'm never going to be WWE champion.
You know, and that's another thing that's probably really important.
But not working out would be way funnier.
You going up on the ropes and falling over Scorpion through a table, ruined Rey Mysterio's whole match.
But they'd be like, Yeah, this is perfect.
This is actually way better than what we thought was going to happen.
Yeah, dude.
You versus John Cena.
That's what I want to see.
Hell yeah, man.
Seeing home alone there.
He was hype.
He loves his wrestling shit.
Yeah, he really loves wrestling.
He really loves.
Yeah.
Cole Colk.
Macaulay Colgan.
Yeah.
You didn't see Macaulay Colton?
No.
He was here all the way.
He was hype.
No way.
I asked him about the MJ shit on the way out.
I just asked crazy questions.
That's crazy.
You can't ask about that shit.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, what about?
Didn't they sleep together or some shit like that?
What?
Didn't he do like sleepovers?
He was physical.
He got a physical.
Not anything weird, bro.
How do you ask that?
I just, no, I just went up to him.
Yo, it was a pleasure to meet you.
Like, did MJ fuck your butt when you were a kid?
Like, and how Jackson?
Like that, like that.
How'd you ask it, Brian?
I asked him.
I was like, yo, did MJ fuck your butts?
Or did he jerk you and other kids off?
And he was like, he was like, yeah, that happened.
I was like, how did he do it?
No, I didn't.
I was pussy.
I just said, hey, pleasure to meet you.
What's up, man?
Damn.
Yeah, yeah.
What would you have said?
Now you're about to tell him some shit, right?
Yo, MJ is a legend, right?
Two Replicas.
What do you say to Macaulay Colgan?
Son, Michael Jordan.
Was a legend.
I mean, both were legends, though.
Both of the legends.
You would say that.
You would go, yo, Michael Jordan.
Right?
Michael Jordan did what to you?
He'd be like, nothing.
He'd be like, see, he proved it.
See, he's innocent.
I'll be honest, the only thing that I don't like about WWE is the fact that we can't bet on it.
Okay.
That's kind of like.
I always thought it was Logan Paul.
Also, Lo, there's two things I don't like about WWE.
Okay.
It's Logan Paul.
Okay.
This part-timer.
Yeah.
And of course, the fact that we cannot bet on it.
And, but luckily for us, there are plenty of sports that we can't bet on.
Obviously, great UFC card.
I mean, Justin Gage is back in the fucking win column.
Amazing fight against Fizzy, that Fizzy Ev, however, you pronounce his last name.
Preda versus Nkolaev, that was wild.
I did not see that coming at all.
I'm like, I need to have a talk with Izzy about that.
That was crazy.
Anyway, plenty more UFC.
We got Volk fighting in UFC Miami.
I think that's 314.
I think that's April coming up.
That's going to be wild.
That's a great card, too.
Plenty of ways where you can put some money down.
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Yo, take this bird off.
The Sandhill Crane.
His brother's eating majestic birds.
Oh, yeah.
What is the situation?
All the presidents.
Mark's plugging the fucking time.
I'm trying to get my views up.
My bad.
My bad.
Shut out of camp.
Shut out of camp.
No, my brother called me and I was like, what are you doing?
He's like, oh, I'm cooking up some Sandhill Crane.
And I was like, what do you mean?
He's like, yeah, it's the ribeye of the sky.
It's like one of the nicest cuts of meat that you can buy this side of the Mississippi.
So now he's gotten into exotic meats and apparently you can buy it online.
It's super, super rare, very expensive.
It's delicious.
Is it legal?
I think it's legal.
Okay.
Yeah.
I killed one of those ones.
Really?
On a golf course.
Did not mean to.
Oh, it's like, there's no way I'll hit that one bird square in the fucking head.
But your friend said, yo, I'll kiss you in the mouth.
And I fucking turned it to Tiger.
Hold on, we got to get David.
So, so I don't know if any of you guys have listened to the Patreon.
Did we say exactly what happened?
Not exactly.
All right.
So on New Year's Eve, this is a very quick version of it.
You can hear the full story in detail on Patreon.
But basically, New Year's Eve, David allegedly says, Yo, I want to come kiss you, whatever, on when the ball drops.
And then Miles is like, bet.
And then Miles hits David up later because David hasn't followed up at all.
And he goes, yo, by the way, you made a great decision to stay in.
Like, it's rainy outside, which to me, in retrospect, is like, you felt rejected.
And you're like, I just want to make sure that you're not out.
And then David's like, all right, bet, I'll come kiss you, whatever, if you want that.
And then so he comes to meet you, and you're already there with two other gay guys.
You're hanging out with a bunch of gay guys.
That's very true.
And then 20 minutes after the new year, so nothing to do with the ball dropping or anything, you guys share a kiss with your lips, one lip on top, like that.
Also, his birthday.
No, no, no.
20 minutes after my birthday.
Okay, okay.
So that is forgot that part.
That's my birthday kiss.
Okay, so Dave, I don't know how much you heard of how I just broke that story down, but is this more or less true?
Yeah, sure.
100%.
So again, did you feel a little bit like sad for him?
Like you would like flippantly said, yo, we're going to totally like make out on your birthday or whatever, like make out on New Year's, joking around.
You don't follow up because obviously you're not going to kiss Miles, right?
You guys like work together.
You also both like women.
And then he hits you up later in the night.
He does hit me up.
Yeah, he goes, God.
What do you not hit him up?
Can I ask Miles two questions?
Yeah, please.
Miles, your memory's bad.
Like a lawyer.
That's not really a question, right?
Would you agree that your memory is bad?
Leading the witness.
Look at him dominating you, son.
I know.
I don't understand why you like that.
He didn't even ask a question.
He just said, Miles, your memory's bad.
Miles goes, I would say, at times it can.
Your memory's bad.
Okay.
And you would say, My memory's phenomenal.
Yeah.
Okay.
I wanted to clarify that.
He's going to remember when you hit in front of the bed.
I tried to blank it out.
I tried not to do that.
Okay.
So, all right.
So your memory's bad.
Your memory's phenomenal.
Okay.
Okay.
So what do you think exactly is going down?
So what happened was we were at dinner for Miles' birthday.
Yeah.
With Shifty.
It was me, Shifty, and Miles.
And I was saying, like, oh, shit, I've had like a phenomenal streak of having a New Year's kiss for the last seven years.
Yeah.
And exactly.
David, on New Year's Eve, I don't have a great memory, so maybe you can remember this really well.
On New Year's Eve, have you ever kissed a guy besides me?
No.
The worst fucking lawyer in this room.
Yeah, I'm going to jail.
You're worse.
This is my time.
This is my time.
But you're lying on the stand.
How can you prove that I'm lying?
You've told me before that.
Yeah, he just said that so you wouldn't suck that.
I mean, he's continuing to lying on the stand.
Like, you guys are both talking about your fucking.
He's lying.
Got him.
Got him.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, go, go, go.
So I'm like, all right, my streak's at risk because the woman I was speaking to at the time was out of town.
So I'm like, Miles, if I see you around New Year's, I'm going to go after it.
As a joke or serious?
It was kind of as a joke.
Don't fuck his cottage.
What do you mean by that?
Hold on, hold on, Miles.
He might be back.
Look at Brandon's face up there.
Brandon, I'm spawning.
I don't get you coming out.
Fucking sky.
He's like, shy, man.
What the fuck?
So I'm out in Nice Village and I'm texting Miles.
Like, hey, I'm at this party.
It's kind of ass.
So after the ball drops, I'm going to come to you.
Share me your location.
I go to the bar.
Miles is at the back table with him, his girl, and then a gay couple.
I walk in, and Miles gets up and meets me halfway.
Oh, no.
So he initiated this pack.
I initiated it by going five blocks out of my way and meeting me at the bar.
I know.
I was going there to say hi to you for New Year's.
Oh, shut up.
Oh, shit.
It's crazy.
You play that.
It's crazy.
It's so good.
I didn't Uber to you.
I was at Studio 151 on Tennessee.
It's crazy.
He Uber to me and I stood up and he's like, You fucking.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, some might say that you put more of a commitment into it, but you could also say that your excitement, right, made you leave your table and, you know, go.
I've never left my table and walked five steps to go meet a friend to come back sit down.
Like, that's a weird thing.
It was on the way to the L.
So I'm like, I'll stop by.
Yeah, you're on the way.
Exactly.
Miles went out of his way and met me in the middle of the bar.
You left?
Yeah, that's some dirty dancing shit right there, bro.
Hold on.
So, okay, so he walks up, he grabs you by the waist.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And then we packed.
Miles leaned.
Miles is like.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So Miles did turn his head a little bit.
So I was like this.
You went straight.
Yeah, yeah.
No, but not even straight.
I kind of like tuxed my chin in.
And then Miles went, oh, that's not true.
No, Brandon, what are you thinking, bro?
This is unique.
Y'all were bullshit.
I'm in there just like, who else have you kissed besides me?
Yeah, that does seem jealous right there.
I'm saying is untrue.
I'm being slandered right now.
Okay, so hold on.
So, so you obviously are approaching David, right?
Like, so David has to dab him up.
I got to dab him up.
That's not true.
And he's well.
That's not true.
Already.
And I was like, God damn, bro.
Hold on.
So you say, God damn, bro, get away from me.
And then what do you do?
Then he grabs my face.
That's not true.
That's not true.
You grabbed his head?
No.
I couldn't get away.
That's not true.
He met me at the bar.
Why would I initiate it if he's already walking towards me?
He came to my bar.
You gave a bouncer your ID.
You literally go, hey, are you old enough to get in here?
And you're like, yeah, I am.
And also, I'm on a mission.
You did a lot of steps to come see me.
I'd been at that bar for hours.
You were on the way to the L like it was convenient for me.
Convenient.
That's crazy.
Okay, who pulled away first from the kiss?
No, I screamed out loud.
I said, get away from me.
I can both downplay.
Take both walls.
He's like, I'm going to kiss you.
Beth, come through.
That's what we're both mad about.
I know.
Now they're both angry.
Yeah, what went wrong, man?
What happened afterwards?
Yeah, this feels like something personal.
Yeah, I feel like there's something else going on here.
We got the rest of the night.
I went back with a girl to her apartment.
And because she was so horny.
Did you guys end up hooking up at the apartment, you and the girl?
Yeah.
And did you guys have sex?
Yeah.
And did you think about David's face at all there?
No.
No images of it popped in.
No thoughts of the kiss at all during the entire sexual encounter.
There's no point where, oh, that was funny when we kissed or whatever.
No.
Yeah, that was almost like a threesome because she had both of us alive as long as she was.
Oh, that's a good point.
Interesting point.
Yeah, damn there.
Close to it.
Devil's Triangle there.
What did the gay couple say about the kiss?
Did they rate it?
No.
No, I don't know.
Did you share with the gay couple that you guys just had a kiss?
I think they saw it.
I think they watched it.
They saw it.
So the whole bar saw.
Not a whole lot of it.
Was it a gay bar?
No.
Straight bar.
East Village.
What was the name of the bar?
You guys tried.
They turned it down and they hung over.
It was a good bar.
It was a nice bar.
It's a good time.
And then has it been awkward at all between you guys since?
Have you guys?
No.
Don't say so.
No, no, no.
Our relationship got stronger, if anything.
I'm trying to play.
No, we're great.
We're very good friends.
Do you guys think it'll happen again?
No.
No.
Would you guys just do it now for funsy ones?
He's like, how much is it?
No, no.
I'm going to kiss in my own mouth once for like 10 grand.
You said no to that?
Yeah.
For 10 grand.
On the pod, yeah.
Hold on, hold on.
Would you guys, could we reenact it?
Hold on.
Can we reenact it?
So one of you comes down the stairs and then one right here, and then you just meet right in front of the foliage.
One little peck, and then we just move on with the show.
We have so much to discuss.
Come on.
No, because David's dad will kill him next time he sees him.
And if we can't have that.
That's not true.
It's just a fun little game.
We'll blur it.
We'll blur it.
No.
Yeah.
Give me the thing that you have.
Exactly.
No.
Damn.
Just giving Miles something to be insecure.
No shit.
He got hips.
He's not insecure about kissing.
So that wouldn't be something that would make you feel comfortable at all.
Like, we could show how progressive we are on the flavor podcast.
We're all good.
What's the number?
What's the number?
There's no number.
What do you do?
There's a number.
There has to be a number that you can do it with.
Well, it does make me feel he's more straight than you.
Exactly.
Like, he's just like, this doesn't matter at all.
I could do it for like 20 bucks or whatever.
Yeah.
And then like his summary is going to be, I'll pay you to do it.
I'll give you guys 20.
Some people did it for free already.
Yeah, you already did it, and the world knows.
So we might as well just see you guys do it again real fast.
No big deal.
It's a fun little thing.
It's wrestling.
Hey, David.
It's everything's wrestling.
It's a fun little thing.
Gay fabe.
That's all.
No, wrestling's incredibly real, and this is fake.
So it wouldn't be right.
Well, the kiss might be scripted, but you know, the love is real.
Two grand.
Two grand.
What the fuck?
No.
No, we're not going to.
I mean, there's starving kids in Africa, bro.
We're not going to give you guys two grand.
There's a poor gay couple in this stage.
I think it's a fun little game to play.
Listen, you guys do it.
Hold on.
You guys do it.
And then me and Alex will do it after.
You guys do it.
After, we'll do it afterwards.
We'll do it right afterwards.
Guaranteed.
We're going to do it right afterwards.
You have to keep in all seriousness.
You have Alex's word.
We'll do it afterwards.
I swear to you, Alex in my life.
I'll never know.
Never lie.
No.
So we're not going to get any little peck?
Just a peck.
A peck.
No.
Right into the Blue Chew ad.
We do a peck.
No.
That's honestly great for the sponsor.
That's a great, that's a great sponsor.
So I call him admin, but no.
This would be a bad idea, dude.
Miles, come on, bro.
For two grand miles.
Each.
Each two grand.
We're going to put a GoFundMe or something.
We'll have it.
No, I don't, but they're not going to pay.
No.
No.
Two grannies, considering.
What's the number, Miles?
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It's got to be a picture.
You're going to say no to 2500?
2500 for a peck?
Something you've already done?
Damn.
You've already did it.
Yeah, it's a different thing.
This is how it happens in Hollywood, bro.
This is Weinstein's hotel right now.
Sax.
We're going to make it.
No, no, no.
Thanks now.
All right, guys.
Let's take a break.
Yeah.
How's the feedback from the specialmen?
Oh, that's been crazy, man.
Thank you, everybody who watched it.
I appreciate you guys so much for doing that.
Yeah, it's just been really, it's been really awesome, man.
We'd beat Roberts and Nero.
That was fire.
Oh, hell yeah.
Yeah, we'd be Bobby D. We'd beat Drives to Survive.
That was cool.
Megan Markle.
Love is Blind.
I think it's still charting on Netflix right now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're in the top three right now.
So we've been vacillating.
Fucking Kate Hudson and Chet Hanks, though.
That's a banger of a show.
Chet Hanks.
That's a tough one to go.
He don't lose.
That motherfucker never loses.
Fucking Chet.
Shout out to y'all, man.
But yeah, it's just been, it's been so cool, man.
Honestly, like, maybe, maybe the coolest part is just a lot of people who went through IVF and like way more harrowing stories than ours, like sending me these long DMs and shit.
And I try to read them all and just kind of like about their experience.
And then some of them will be like just laughing about it.
And then some of them would be just like really like emotional things.
And now they got to laugh at this experience that was like really brutal for them.
Like people going through it for 11 years.
And then they would always end the message about like, you know, with their kid or just how excited they were to have their kid.
And I think that's maybe the coolest thing is like seeing how excited people are to have families and like just this unbelievable enthusiasm to like bring life into the world.
And yeah, every message like, I'm here with my one-year-old and I'm watching this shit.
And yeah, it's just a that to me has been just unbelievable.
Just incredible.
Random people have been hitting me up like from high school that I haven't talked to in like 10 years.
No way.
Just being like, bro, just put on the special.
Crazy.
Like, didn't know what to expect.
Like, but we're going through the same thing right now.
Like, I didn't even know this about them.
Like, they're doing IVF.
It's like popped up within like IVF community forums.
Oh, that's fire.
Like, some people send me links where they're like, yo, there's this form.
People are, it's like 100 comments long.
Just people being like, this was our, like, he's just talking about our experience.
Oh, that's so cool.
So it's fire.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm getting DMs of people just like showing me their miracle babies of what they're saying.
Yeah.
Like, I know you're probably getting that times a million.
No, but it's awesome.
Yeah.
You touched people's soul with this one, bro.
That, yeah, it felt really good.
I felt, yeah, I just felt really proud of it.
You know, I was obviously proud of it before when you're editing it, but you're also watching it so many times that you're like, you just lose sight of everything.
You know, you're just like, is this even funny anymore?
Like, and then hearing the reaction to it is very validating.
And then, like, even having people say, I did not know what to expect, like that, like a lot of people getting emotional at it.
That was really cool.
Just to make a piece, a piece of art that they could, you feel all these, the gambit of emotions.
And yeah, I guess surprising people.
Like, even articles that will come out where there are people who they, you know, they definitely did not maybe expect to like something that I did.
And they were maybe kind of offended by some of the topics, but the story penetrated past their, I don't want to call it like prejudice of me, but like this, this woman wrote this article and it was like really cool.
And she went through it and it was for like parenting magazine or something like that.
But the jokes were not necessarily jokes that she would laugh at.
Like, and that's fine.
People have their different types of sense of humor.
I don't care.
But like, it's so, it's so cool.
Like the story allowed her to laugh at some of the jokes and allowed her really relate to the journey.
And I thought that was awesome.
One, for her to even feel comfortable saying that.
Like a lot of these people, even writing an article like that, they're like scared about the scrutiny.
And so many people are like terrified of like pissing off their publication or pissing off their community or whatever it is.
But yeah, the fact that she felt compelled to share that.
And then all these other people commenting on it, just saying how they also watch it.
It's really cool.
And hopefully destigmatizing it a little bit because I know it can be that shit can be like lonely and isolating.
So if we can just make it make it funny and make it a sort of like a source of pride, not embarrassment, like, yo, I'll do anything to have a kid.
Like I will fucking pay any amount of money.
I'll inject anything in my body.
Like that's how much life is important to me and like family is important to me.
And I think that's how you should look at that.
That's how I said, like initially I was embarrassed as fuck, don't get me wrong.
I'm like, will my wife even want to fuck me anymore?
Like I literally went through those emotions.
Like, will she not see me as like a virile man?
And like, will something instinctually shut off for her?
But eventually, you know, getting to that point where it's like, nah, like, this is, that's amazing how much that she wants to have a family with me.
And like, that's amazing how much we want to have, how important it is.
Yeah.
That the love is so strong and you would go through such a difficult process.
Anything.
Yeah.
I'm going to lie to my kid.
I'll tell him he's IVF.
I think shelled out money for you.
I think anybody should do this shit.
Yeah.
I'm for sure.
He's like, you got me for free?
Damn.
Shows this kid.
They put down cash for this.
He goes through some shit.
It's real.
It's real.
I'm not letting him watch the special.
Yeah.
Sarroga would be like, yeah, we love you so much.
We put you in another box.
Everybody like the fucking moms.
Nah, that is.
Yeah.
So now that's been very cool.
And man, and just super grateful.
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And the amount of people just sharing it.
Like, there's so many people posting and going, yo, friends, check this out or saying, go check this out.
And that's really how I realized things were like, you could do awesome promo.
We had some very cool promo.
Like, shout out Matt for doing it.
You can do all these things.
But if at the end of the day, the people don't share it.
Yeah, word of mouth is the.
Word of mouth is the real, really the only thing that moves it, right?
It's like if the people watch it and they share it, they tell their friends, that's what's going to happen.
And yeah, like the, like, I think it's possible, you know, you see a lot of like people, like they pop into the top five or they pop in the top 10 and then they kind of like leave quickly.
They get like a big bump.
And just to be there like throughout the week is just like awesome.
Just fucking awesome.
So many people have hit me up about the outfit specifically.
Oh, word?
Yeah.
Oh, that's just.
Which I thought was a fire outfit, but the amount of people being like, yo, where can I get this?
Shout out to Amay, man.
Shout out to Teddy.
Have you gotten those messages?
People are like, yo, I need that.
I was like, all right.
I've been sending them links.
I've just been, I've been, I've been lining them up.
That's an age difference for sure because everybody hit me up.
It's just like, man, I went through this shit.
Where the pants were.
Anyway, so I appreciate y'all, man.
Thank you so much.
If you haven't checked it, go check it out on Netflix.
And yeah, thank you, bro.
Dude, I had heard an interesting take from somebody who will remain nameless, but somebody was saying that the, I even hate saying the word woke, but like the wokeness of Hollywood was a reaction, like an overcorrection to what happened with Weinstein.
So everybody felt, not everybody, but I guess a lot of people there felt as if Weinstein was an example of.
Don't even go anywhere.
Because Weinstein was an example of what all of Hollywood was, right?
So they're like, the world thinks that we are all these horrible pistols just bringing girls up to hotel rooms, et cetera.
So what we have to do is prove that we are not that.
And then they overcorrect in the other direction.
That's a good take.
I thought it was interesting.
I mean, it could be one of these like, you know, with posthumous justifications.
Yeah.
But, but I do see that like, because that is kind of the stain that Hollywood had, and maybe even still has for a while, right?
Like Hollywood is just a bunch of pedophiles.
They're just saying that about everybody in Hollywood.
So they're reacting to like online chatter, right?
And they're like, oh my God, they think all of us producers, we're all just a bunch of these and we fuck with kids and we just don't care about people at all.
And it's uncomfortable environments for women.
And then maybe all this rhetoric gets pushed during that time period.
Yeah.
I think that plus Trump.
Oh, of course it was right around like 2015, 2016.
All that converged.
But it's kind of interesting.
I never thought of that as like reactionary to Weinstein.
I thought it was just like this cultural impulse.
Yeah.
But having specifically Weinstein being like emblematic of Hollywood and then all these other producers going, oh, fuck, are they going to think that's us?
Oh, especially because everyone knew the Weinstein shit.
That's everyone.
It was an open secret.
Everyone was like, Yeah, this guy's a creep.
Like, Courtney Love's like, Yeah, don't go to his hotel room.
Like, everyone knows.
Some of these motherfuckers will tell me, like, yeah, everybody knew about it.
They'll like tell me in conversation, like, because they think that, like, they're telling me something that, I don't know, they're like sharing with me.
They're like, yeah, everybody knew about it.
And I'm looking at these motherfuckers, like, well, why didn't y'all do something about it?
Like, is there something we don't understand about this?
Yeah.
Like, that was a crazy conversation I had.
Yeah.
With a dude who's like related to an agency.
And he was just like, yeah, I mean, people knew they were just sending girls to his hotel room.
Wow.
But they're like, if we make a little mermaid black, then we're fine.
But nobody talks about it.
We don't have pedophiles anymore.
100%.
When you get things are swinging back and all the woke shit's done, are they back to it?
You would hope not.
We got to look into it.
You hope not.
Yeah.
There's a lot of new stars in hot.
Yeah, we should have just told him that.
Like, hey, you don't have to do all the DEI stuff.
Just stop.
Yeah.
And that's fine with us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe that is.
Okay.
So that's the other thing.
It's like, now, let's say it's all merit-based, right?
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Like, acting is pure merit-based and like nothing else matters, right?
So you're just going to hire Meryl Streep to do everything.
Right.
But these executives and producers, like, they don't want to have sex with Meryl Streep.
Right.
And she doesn't want it.
I mean, speak for yourself.
Would you take down Meryl Streep?
Miles, would you do that?
For sure.
Oh, I knew.
I know you like that.
I know.
What's the other Meryl Streep?
What's her name?
There's like two of them.
Sally Field.
No, no, there's another one, too.
Helen Mirren?
Helen Mirren.
Yeah, yeah.
That Meryl Streep, she's fucking good.
I'm for the story.
For the story.
What are you talking about, dude?
To have a romantic trist with Meryl Streep.
That'd be insane.
I mean, she's pretty.
She got a little of that.
Who's the woman who knows all about home decor?
Martha's Stewart.
She got a little Martha Stewart in her, right?
But Martha.
She got David lips.
I see why you like her.
Yo, how do you know his lips that well?
My son, I'm just trying to make a joke.
She makes a joke.
That was insane.
That was kind of crazy.
Brandon does that face.
That's how you know it.
That was wild.
My bad.
I'm not going to look bad.
My bad.
David's sitting in pitch black, and you know the exact shape of his lips on Helen Marin's face.
He got some lips on him.
I got lips.
Is that something that you see in men sometimes?
I mean, now that the focus is on him, he got some lips.
You just mad because he got lips that you don't.
First of all, he has his big-ass mustache.
I got to hide the fact you don't got a lip.
I peep game.
If you have a top lip, you got to get some.
You can just get a big ass mustache.
Okay.
And I just focus on my bottom lip.
My bottom lip is nice.
I'm more bottom lift.
I got that from my mom.
You're bottom, yeah.
That's the term.
You look community.
That's the turn.
It's the turn.
Oh, man.
Actually, I don't even know if my mom got a bottom lip, man.
I was looking at my, I was at the museum.
I went with Shiloh to the Museum of Natural History, and I was looking at all these dinosaur bones.
And I was like, that's what my mom's mouth looks like.
It's just John Jaw.
Clamp.
She's a herbivore.
My mom looks like a herbivore.
Damn, Larry.
Shout out Larry Legend for that one, right?
That's what I'm talking about.
That's pure love.
That's true love.
I'm going to watch this.
With all due respect, though, mom.
With all due respect.
With all due respect.
I can't say that.
Andrew, stop letting your friends run holes in my walls.
Yeah, bro.
So constantly, constantly.
I told you my mom took my nephew to the natural history.
She's like, none of these exist.
I literally, I'm not even joking.
I'm not even joking.
Did I try to tell you this?
We went and little Ollie was like, I saw a dinosaur at the museum.
And my mom was like, what did you really see?
And he was like, I saw a reenactment of dinosaur bones.
And she's like, what did you really see?
Like, I saw a plaster mold of what they thought dinosaur bones would have looked like.
And my mom was like, see, there you go.
They've never discovered a dinosaur bone prior to 1826.
And everyone's like, yeah, dinosaurs aren't real, whatever.
Ruins the dinner.
Then my mom leans over and goes, but dragons.
Dragons.
No way.
She's like, dragons are in the Bible.
Look into it.
I love your mom.
Our mom should go to the National History Museum.
I mean, that would be a wild experience because my mom will believe anything.
Like, I get that from my mom.
The last article I read, that's the truth.
Yeah.
My mom is 100% on that shit.
She'll just be sending me wow.
I don't even want to get into it.
But like, I know how, like, she's not built for the internet at all.
Yeah.
Because my mom likes to research.
She likes to read.
But before you would go get a book from like Barnes and Noble, and there was someone who looked at the book to make sure it was somewhat true.
And now my mom's just on Google.
Getting caught by ads.
Oh, no, it's not good.
It's not good at all.
Bro, I was with Derek Pose.
I saw him get caught by an ad.
Oh, yeah.
Like, we were scrolling on my phone.
He goes, wait, doctors hate this trick?
No way.
I swear to God.
No.
He was like, what's the trick?
What's the trick?
And I was like, Derek, this is an ad.
He goes, no.
They're like, I get it, bro.
I get it, man.
I get fished almost every day.
I got to send screenshots to Tanya.
I got to send screenshots of Tanya every single day.
The group judges his defense against internet hackers.
Somebody added my email to their security email.
They made a fake email that kind of looked like mine.
It was like or something like that.
And they're like, they added my actual email to that.
And I got this notification from Google about it.
And I at least now can check if it's a real Google notification.
Because used to, I would get these notifications from like super Google at something.net.
Gmail.
Yeah, I would get those.
I'd be like, God damn, they got me in.
Yeah, it's Gmail.
So, and then I hit Tanya with that.
She's like, please don't ever respond to anything.
She's like, the way that you should respond to any of these concerns is just ignore all of them.
Yeah.
Schultz just fished the fuck out of himself.
I'm going to have to believe.
It looks like my email.
Say it out loud.
No, no, I said the fake one.
It looks like yours.
Dang it, man.
I'm really not built for this.
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I'm really not built for technology.
Come on.
Yeah.
She's trying to sneak out again.
All right, David.
Thank you.
Anyway, going to the Natural History Museum with your kids is like the coolest thing ever.
You should definitely do that when he's like a little bit older, where they recognize shit.
Because they're still at the age where they don't know what's fake and real.
So like every doll that my daughter has, or every like, uh, she like loves animals.
So every like fake stuffed animal, she believes is a real animal.
Oh.
And then she sees my dog and she also believes it's a real animal because it is.
But she cannot discern between the two.
So when we're at the Natural History Museum and you see these like beautiful recreations of like what a woolly mammoth was, she's like, that's an alive animal.
Oh, that's awesome.
And she's just losing her fucking mind.
I mean, it was the coolest.
You get everything.
Like nothing's actually made for adults.
I'm realizing now.
It's made for your kid to look at it and go crazy and you just sit there smiling for hours.
Yeah.
Oh, it was.
I mean, it was so.
But she's going to start asking you questions soon.
And then you're even better.
But then you're going to have to come up with answers.
No, you just make shit up.
I have no problem making shit up.
You're like, are dinosaurs real?
Are you going to 100% real?
Okay.
Okay.
So you're going to lie to her?
No, I'm not going to lie.
I bet.
But yeah, I think that they're real.
I think they were birds.
Yeah, they had feathers and shit.
Like, that's something I learned.
Like, they got some good little information at some of these booths.
So on islands, right, that are remote.
This museums, yeah, they would have got some shake information.
I know, they do.
It's not just pictures.
So remote islands, and the information informs like the world that we live in, right?
So on these remote islands, the small animals tend to be much bigger because there's not as much natural predators there.
Right.
So there's more of an abundance of food.
The big animals tend to be smaller, right?
They have these like tiny miniature elephants that exist in some parts of the world, and they're like the size of a dog.
And they get smaller because there's just not enough food for them to eat in this tiny little island.
They're just walking around all day.
Insular dwarfism.
Yeah, is that what it's called?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
And then what do they call the gigantism is what happens to the small animals.
And then that's why you'll see like Samoan women are so big.
And it's just because.
No, that's not wait.
What do you mean?
It is.
No, I think there wasn't enough natural predators so they could just eat all this.
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I did a little bit.
I think there was like a there was like a line of thinking.
And then I took it there.
And I was like, look at these gigantic Samoan women.
There was nothing to eat them.
So they ate everything.
We need to bring Roman Reigns.
That's critical thinking.
They're the only Asians.
We need Roman Reigns.
We need Roman Reigns.
Asians are small, generally.
You go to Asia, they're little, they're itty-bitty.
And then on this little island, they small and are huge.
See Honda.
And I think it's because they have all the coconuts or whatever they eat at their disposal.
And there's no real big natural predator.
Oh, wow.
What's a Samoans' natural predator on an island before white people?
Heart disease.
I don't know.
Son, if you get a heart attack from eating pineapples, you don't deserve to live.
Yeah, it's crazy.
White people really brought heart attacks to the islands, huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's amazing.
We brought Fanta, and they started dying at 50 years old.
Before that, they would just live in eternity.
They're eating vegetables.
Yeah.
Sugar and cigarettes.
Yeah.
You guys did it.
Is that the thing?
Sugar, cigarettes, and alcohol.
Yeah.
I thought that the Native Americans were on the smoking shit way before us.
I mean, tobacco, right?
Oh.
Yeah.
A little peace pipe.
But yeah, I started putting shit in it.
What do you mean?
Like, put other chemicals in it.
Like menthol.
Yeah.
That's what we're putting it.
We're making new for them.
They weren't sugary enough for a diagnosis.
I turned that shit into a hookup.
It's like holding my breath to smell good before killing myself.
I ain't gonna lie.
Menthols are amazing.
Yeah.
Like those, remember those camel crush sigs?
Oh, Uyeda loves those.
Oh, oh, just phenomenal.
A way better cigarette.
I never understood that.
Like, I don't, I feel like, why do you need your cigarette to do extra things?
You know, Mark, you love sugar more than anybody on this planet.
I gave it up for Lent.
I'm glad you brought this up.
I gave it up for the Lord.
Ada Reese's last night.
I threw it away.
I watched him throw it away.
I really didn't watch it.
I was trying to correct him.
Yeah, don't throw those away.
Miles fishing out of the garden.
That's what you really gave up sugar for Lent for Lent.
Come on, dude.
And you only have to give up one thing?
Or you give up multiple things?
You give up multiple things.
Wow.
I knew a guy that used to inflict pain.
He said, I have nothing to give up.
So I put like a little bead in my shoes so I feel pain throughout the day.
Stupid.
Sorry, guys.
What did you give up?
You're Catholic?
You're a good Catholic.
You gave up something?
Absolutely nothing.
Did you even do Ash Wednesday?
No.
Did you?
No.
I'm not ashy enough, bro.
I just didn't put lotion on my forehead.
Ash Monday through Sunday.
Is your forehead too big?
But yeah, I didn't get to do Ash Wednesday.
I missed out on it.
We were in Austin.
I would have gone.
Yeah, I saw one dude.
Son, there's churches everywhere.
You could have done it if you really wanted to do it.
Yeah, that's the thing.
You can make the sacrifice that we're doing.
I'll take some dirt off the fucking ground and put this shit.
It's bigger than that.
I just prayed.
I've been praying.
And so I just prayed to God.
I asked what I should give up.
He said sugar.
He said, it's his will for me to get shredded for the summer.
This is what God wants me to do.
Okay.
So I'm just following the Lord.
Shout out to the Lord, bro.
The Lord always looks out of it.
Did you do Palm Sunday?
I used to like that day.
Yeah, you could turn it.
Yeah, that was fun.
Yeah, that was a cool one.
Are you giving up anything for Lent?
No.
Come on.
But I did see an interesting conversation.
There's this guy that was, there's this show online where somebody goes and they sit in like a room full of people, right?
And you sit in the middle and then other people can come sit across from you and then you guys debate for like three minutes.
20v1.
20v1.
Yes.
It's like the balloon popping for white nerds, right?
And you know, exactly, right?
And then, so there's this guy like Sam Cedar who was sitting down.
And then there's this like Latino kid who sits like across from and he's having this argument about like the importance, I guess, of morality.
And I think Sam, he was like asking where his morality comes from.
I mean, we can probably bring up a clip or it doesn't matter.
But it was interesting, this take that he had like that you need a religious foundation for your morality.
Otherwise, you end up just justifying whatever makes you feel good.
And you can't just keep doing whatever makes you feel good because you won't have good societal outcomes from that.
And he was taking it to the extreme of you won't even have procreation.
Like if you take it to its furthest logical conclusion, just doing whatever makes you feel good in the moment will lead to population collapse.
How?
Because if you fucking, that makes you feel good.
And a couple going to get past the goalie.
Yeah, but maybe you fuck with a rubber because having a kid might not make you feel good.
It's not sad and make you feel good.
I mean, you write my voice.
It's a Monday Night Raw.
Watch this.
Watch this.
Are you an atheist?
I'm a Reformed Jew.
I should say that the way that these shows are set up, I don't think he knows what everybody else's arguments are going to be used against him, but it seems like everybody else there knows what that person in the middle thinks.
And they're there essentially to refute whatever their beliefs are.
Yeah.
And usually they'll bring up a topic and then whoever wants to go can pop it.
Yeah, yeah.
Got it.
But everybody comes there with ammunition.
And that person in the beginning is not, I mean, you should be prepared to defend your beliefs, but you're going up against somebody who's already thought about every argument against you.
So like one person is prepared, the other person is not.
But continue.
And so we have a civil society.
We have laws.
That is an interesting point that he was making right there, which is like, if laws are based on like societal cohesion, but not some like moral framework, right?
And society chooses to do something that we might morally object to, if you go along with the societal decision, you could get some shitty outcomes.
So the idea of having this like moral framework that informs the societal decisions, much to their chagrin at times, can sometimes protect the human experience.
You know, so a society all goes, hey, we should have slavery.
And then the moral opinion is, no, that's wrong to subject people to that sort of behavior.
You can thwart what society wants.
I mean, this would be the argument, like why you want something out of simply what makes people feel good to be what drives your like moral compass.
But couldn't you say the same the other way around?
Because it's like, if you have the moral framework of religion, then we'll never have like gay relationships.
100%.
That's why this is like a, I'm not trying to say one is right or wrong.
I'm just saying it's kind of exposing the limiting factors of both.
It's like we want the moral framework of religiosity when it comes to like how we treat one another.
But then there are certain hang-ups with that religiosity.
And then we go, actually, we don't want the religiosity.
So it's kind of like we're picking and choosing what we feel like is right.
I think he's using the term what civil society is, but like civil society throughout history has believed in some pretty nefarious shit.
So yeah, it's an interesting, I think it's like, I think this, keep on going.
I don't want to interrupt at all, but I think it's like a really interesting discussion.
Like, how do you figure out what is the best version of society for the most people?
And the reality is you kind of need to pick and choose for both.
You know, you need a moral framework that you might object to that's brought to you by God or some higher power or something else, but you also need to break that framework so that certain people can have the rights that they deserve as part of this idea of a civil society.
I don't know if you get there without both.
You can't just rely on people to make the right decision.
I think is what I'm trying to say.
I guess if you are an atheist or a secular person, you could argue that, oh, all of these religious dogmas just come out of basically the same exact thing.
So you're saying that the morality is internal before religion.
If God doesn't exist, which I think would be his argument, that there is no God.
So therefore, the rules that are laid out within Judaism, Islam, Christianity are just human beings creating what they think the social structure should be.
And then the pushback someone might give is like, yo, we've created some fucked up rules that like really hurt a lot of people.
And so that's so arguable.
Over time, we've gotten better.
And this is the best time to live ever in history.
100%.
I guess my question is, and I don't have the answer.
My question is like, what is the impetus for that?
Like, what made us realize, was it this internal morality that we have?
Like, was it kind of like erupting and we realize, hey, this is actually wrong.
This goes against what we want internally.
And we like turned a blind eye to it.
Like, what?
Well, secular people might lean on like natural law and say like, there are certain things that violate what it means to be like a fruitful human.
So like infringing on someone else's life or like sexual violence, stuff like that.
So like we know that internally as a species that that is not good.
So you could come to that conclusion outside of it.
But why the fuck have we done it throughout the majority of history?
If we know that it's so wrong, why have we done it continually?
Like murder and things like that.
Murder, you know, assault women, all these things.
Why you point it out?
That was kind of like hot water.
I said the same.
You might put the gloves down.
But keep going.
Keep going.
Or like Alex O'Connor.
Yes, yeah.
He'd be a good person to.
Right, he's great.
But he popularized this idea.
I forget what philosopher came up with it, but it's a, I think it's ethical emotivism.
So basically, it's this idea that you can basically just say like something that happens, you could say, oh, boo that thing.
So like murder.
You're not saying like murder is right or wrong.
You're not putting like a truth value on it.
You're just saying boo murder.
So like your emotional reaction to murder to something is what justifies your moral compass.
And then ideally, whatever the majority feels about a specific thing then creates the social fabric for how that's enlisted into law.
So then how have we been so comfortable with murder throughout history?
Well, within our own civil society, we're not.
But then when it comes to like war, that's not murder.
So there are these little spaces where murder can exist.
Right.
It's justified, self-defense.
And what if it's a duel?
Well, then if both parties are consenting, then it's not murder.
Oh, it's no victim.
It's not murder.
What would it be called?
It's just killing.
Yeah.
So murder is the idea that one party is not consenting.
And I guess both parties are consenting to whatever's happened.
It's like a boxing match when one person ends up dying.
But I guess with a duel, like the explicit purpose is to kill.
So one of us will die.
Yeah.
And if they're both consenting to do it, assuming there's no coercion, then.
I guess maybe there's like a so I guess maybe Sam's position is a little bit more optimistic about the human experience.
It's like, hey, we are internally good and we know the right thing to do.
And when we're put in situations where we're allowed to freely access our internal morality, we will act right.
Yeah.
And I agree with that.
But also I have empathy for the other guy because it's like he might subscribe to this idea, like there's been a lot of times where we don't act right and we act horribly towards one another.
And then having this moral framework that's given by God or religion or whatever is a is a constant reminder that we cannot fall victim to our instinctual desires in these motives in these moments.
But sometimes they've used that moral framework to do horrible things.
That's why this is an interesting discussion.
I'm not saying that you're wrong about, but that's why it is really interesting because there's so much evidence to us doing horrible shit.
And it would be nice if there was this framework that we could look back to and be like, hey, hey, we're doing horrible shit because God says it.
Or now I guess we have in America, the Constitution says it.
It seems like we need something to remind us constantly and that we can do a lot of justification for horrible behavior if we want.
And we can even use religion for horrible behavior too.
I mean, people have done it throughout history.
It's happening right now, right?
But they're like murking these Christians out there in Syria.
And I'm sure that there's like a moral justification for that.
There's not this like boo murder.
They're going, nah, you know, the man upstairs justifies this in some way.
Like, I thought I know a lot of these shows are like based on like dunking on one another, which is kind of unfortunate.
I wish there was a lot more like good faith conversations for people online where it wasn't like, I'm going to win.
It's more like, what do you feel?
Oh, that's an interesting perspective.
And like, I feel this way.
And then that person goes, I can see why that's important.
Unfortunately, this dunk culture that gets eclipsed.
But I thought this set it up that way.
But the discussion is like, no, it's like, here, keep going.
You have low reproductive birth rates.
I just don't see a justification for gay outside of it, just feels good.
Pause.
So, that's okay.
So it's an interesting feeling.
It's like, usually, I think with at least in America, the feeling of, hey, this feels good.
And this is good that we're talking about this, Miles, is that like this feels good to go like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If someone's in the room, there's really no reason for us to talk.
But he goes, he goes, it's not like it's right or wrong.
It's just, I don't feel a justification for it outside of this feels good.
So his, I guess, argument hinges on this idea, just because something feels good doesn't mean that it is best for society.
And he'll, he makes more wild shit.
So you're okay with a 45-year-old dad with a 19-year-old daughter as well.
He came ready.
This guy came ready, right?
And this, I think we've even had this discussion here, which like, okay, you have people that are related having sex without the fear of reproduction, if they are consensual, is that okay?
It feels both good to both of them.
They're adults.
They're consenting.
And it doesn't, I guess, negatively impact society.
Should we restrict their ability to do that?
Yeah, it's a fire philosophical debate.
Like the first day in my philosophy class in like college, this is one of the questions they brought up.
This is the, what was it?
Dr. Small.
Yeah, Dr. Small.
Same sex incest.
Yeah.
Is that unethical?
Because same sex removes the fear of producing a child that has some sort of issue.
So what's the problem?
So what's the problem?
Now, this is where we go back to the O'Connor argument where it's just like you have this innate feeling of boo.
Yeah.
That's bad.
What does that come from?
Is that because we've been told incest is that?
Well, that's the thing.
Have we been told it or do we innately feel it's wrong?
Like, is it built into our personal constitution?
And you could argue on a biological basis that humans feel that it's wrong.
Why?
Like through like pheromone.
So like a person would be more attracted to a like a dissimilar person than to a relative based off of like pheromone levels and stuff like that.
Okay.
So like for the reproductive health of a society, most people would go to diversify their genetic lineage.
But then you look at throughout history and probably the most septy is good.
I mean, yeah, Doug's entire family looks identical to one another.
So there's been a lot of inbreeding in his family.
And it's kind of worked out for them.
Maybe others, it hasn't, right?
But there's a lot of similarity.
I mean, like, yeah, but they all have asthma.
So it's like the good with the bad.
How do you have asthma with that nose, right?
You feel like you could get some oxygen in there.
It's the bend.
It's the lawn right there.
Not too hard.
Yeah, we need to hire a contractor.
You got to straighten it out.
That's why we all get nose jobs.
It's a deviated septo.
Anyway, I thought, I thought this was an interesting discussion.
Like, it's cool to chew on these things.
I don't know.
What is your take on it?
What do you think is, what do you think determines our decision making of right and wrong?
I think there is something innate.
I do think that there's like a biological natural law.
And like as someone that believes in God, I would like to believe that there is some type of like order that God put into the universe that people can come to know without God.
But then additionally, if you come to follow some type of faith background, that those things are also instilled.
Okay.
But then I also think that those things get like antiquated over time.
Like the Levitical laws of like eating pork and stuff probably existed in a specific timeframe where pork was very dangerous.
Right.
And then as time has gone on, it's no longer as dangerous.
Sorry, Jews and Muslims and Ethiopian Christians, apparently.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
There's a bunch of people that don't eat pork.
Wow.
Which you start to look at how many people don't eat pork.
You're like, why are we eating this?
But then I think like, I don't know, I think all the faiths that have persisted probably have a lot of roots of the same things that help society prosper.
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So you could make the argument that reinforcing those beliefs might be the best thing for society at large.
Good point.
But we also live in a non-theocratic society.
Yes.
So like as someone that lives in America that likes religious freedom, I also don't want to be bound by the mandates of any specific religion.
Yes.
Whether that be Islam or Christianity or Judaism.
Right.
So because it infringes on your personal freedom.
Right.
Like it would be nice if there was a Catholic country that existed that had some type of Catholic theocratic laws that if I so chose, I could move to.
But I like to live in America where people can practice freely whatever they want.
I do as well.
But he was looking at like, I think he's chalking this up to like a leftist issue.
And maybe he has issues with leftist ideology and it's easy to like, you know, reconstruct an argument afterwards and like place it on top of it.
But he's pointing at, you know, birth rates declining.
And he's trying to say, if you see more like left-leaning ideology in countries, you see birth rates declining.
And he's going, okay, is this a like repercussion of this way of thinking where you just do what makes you feel good?
Now, maybe, maybe you have less people and maybe society collapses hundreds of years now.
Who fucking knows?
But I don't know if we build society simply to create more people.
Right.
Yes, there's a way to make society so we just make more people and it is more beneficial for that specific thing.
But I don't know if that's the goal of civil society.
Right.
I could also argue this is, I think, a slippery slope argument.
Like it seems fallacious on its onset to say like the logical conclusion of XYZ philosophy is decimation of a population.
Because you could say the inverse that, you know, the logical conclusion of like a hyper-religious society is going to be like oppression of women and gay people getting murdered.
Right.
You can make the exact same argument and yeah, just an oppressive way.
So to me, I'm like, it seems like kind of misguided.
I don't know if that was intention, but like I think it's framed poorly.
Yeah.
You could also make you could also make the point that like, is a declining birth rate or a increasing birth rate like positive for society?
We don't know.
If it declines, does society actually get better?
There's more resources per person.
Like does utopia happen because there's more resources per person?
Or is it an increasing birth rate?
Does that actually make the earth die faster?
Like we don't actually know.
I've always wondered that.
I'm like, maybe this is just the order of things and we're just like leveling out.
Like we used to put so much emphasis on have as many kids as possible.
And now like look at the little resources we all have and everybody's complaining.
So maybe this is just like, hey, bouncing itself out.
Yeah, it's a leveling, a natural leveling.
Which even that idea I think comes out of like agrarian societies and shit.
And this is from someone whose parents had seven kids.
Yeah.
But like I'm pretty sure even prior to like pastoralist and agrarian societies, people were having like three or four kids.
Yeah.
Like women were having like their periods like 18 or 19.
Yeah.
So they had it way later.
Yeah, they were having it later.
And so like in hunter-gatherer societies, they still have them later.
And then typically women would breastfeed the whole time.
They were emitting like prolactin and estrogen so that they weren't able to get pregnant for longer periods of time.
Oh, so it would separate the kids.
That's an important component to talk about.
When a woman is breastfeeding, it's much harder for her to get pregnant.
So if you're breastfeeding for two, three, four years, that you have a five-year gap in between kids.
And if you had four kids, think about that.
That's 20 years of baby making.
So if you start at 18, you're done at 38.
And you might have three, four, you have three or four kids.
That's assuming every pregnancy went to term.
Like that's a really interesting point.
And I talked to an anthropologist that said, like, it's actually potentially more beneficial for children to have more individualized time with the parent.
So like having multiple kids really close together could be detrimental for the development of kids, that giving them more undisputed attention for like four or five years is actually better for like the survival of the species.
I mean, that makes a lot of sense.
And this is in hunter-gatherer societies where people are just like eating off the land and living off land.
Well, 100%.
I mean, like you have a kid right now.
You know how much attention they require.
Like they're walking around.
You need to walk with them every single second every day.
If you have one that's five and they kind of know the rules where they should go, they can almost like help out a little bit.
They're not looking after them, but they can teach the kids something like that.
You can ask them to hand you something and you can look after the other kid.
But looking at two, looking after two kids that are under three years old.
I mean, it takes a village shit.
Like that's where you need grandma.
Yeah.
Or you need grandpa.
You need somebody else looking after those kids.
It takes a lot of attention.
So I think about this question a lot.
Like, what is, what does it mean to actually be human and what is best for humans?
And I think people go back and they go like, oh, like 2,000 years ago.
But like, that's still like a very recent development in humanity.
So like, is it potential we go 10,000 years ago?
Like Homo sapiens have been walking around the way we are for like what, 100,000 years?
Yeah.
So like 2,000 years is just a blip.
So like, have humans existed for most of the time in the way that we were 10,000 years ago, living, walking around, having sex, eating a mango?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, is that what most of humanity has been?
So then when it comes to like moral frameworks, like, should we be trying to go back farther than we're really looking at it?
You know what I mean?
Wait, explain that.
Like, should we be going back to like, okay, what are humans really supposed to be doing?
Okay.
So like, oh, we should have a bunch of kids because that's what people did a thousand years ago.
Well, it's like, well, actually, that is a blip in the overall scope.
For most of human history, people were having three or four.
Yeah.
Once we started farming, yeah, then we start going, let's have seven.
So you have societal explosions, but also you need people to work the farm.
Work the land.
So it's like, it's like your retirement policy almost.
You have one kid.
How are they going to take care of their family and you and your wife when you're too old to do anything?
You have seven, you can mitigate that risk across seven different bodies.
That's the, that's the like big issue with the declining birth rate in certain countries.
They have aging populations that no one is there to take.
This is like Japan, right?
South Korea and certain other countries.
I mean, every developed country, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, America is going to run into it in the next like 50 to 80 years.
And so again, the concern is that there won't be enough or that the burden of the parents and the grandparents will be on the grandkids and they just won't have enough resources to protect, provide.
Yeah.
And they also won't have enough time for themselves to benefit society.
They're spending all their time taking care of an older people.
That's right.
They have to develop a business.
They have to create something.
They have to.
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Cuomo was just trying to help out.
Say kid.
What did he say?
Cuomo was just trying to help out.
Wait, what was Cuomo doing?
Oh, he put all the fucking old people in there.
Yeah, he's like, oh, we can't pay for these motherfuckers anymore.
Accelerations, John Cole.
He's trying to run for mayor now.
Oh, yeah.
You think he's got it?
I mean, on name alone, he'll get the push to the mayor.
That is the thing about politics.
We forget pretty quickly.
We forget pretty quickly.
And like, there are certain names, especially in, I mean, at least New York, but definitely in politics in general, where like people go, oh, they're familiar with the name.
Like you see this person, you know what you're going to get.
And then you see some other random human being.
And if he doesn't create enough buzz, if he doesn't have like superstar power, like Trump had superstar power.
So he could kind of muscle his way in.
But if it's Cuomo versus random name person that used to be the comp troller of the city, yeah, Cuomo's blowing that guy out.
Yeah.
So he would run against Adams.
Oh, is Adams even still able to go?
Of course.
That's the boy.
Every other week he's getting arrested.
No, I saw him at Zero Bond fingering chicks the other day.
Shout out Adams, bro.
That's going out.
No, he writes a poem.
He's in the fucking record room.
Yeah, cool.
Is he married?
Say what?
He's Batman.
This is what we need.
New York needs a mayor Adams on his hired stuffy cornball.
He likes to, you know, talk to his constituents.
Yeah.
Listen, he's acutely aware of what the women in New York City do.
I mean, would you not, if you're not married, you're the mayor of New York, you're not like dipping some strain every once in a while?
Only $100,000 from the Turkey guys.
He's like, only the goddamn hairline, I'd be like, listen, motherfuckers, compromise.
We wanted presidents to be married.
Mayors, nah, I want you outside.
I think we need Adams on the pod, bro.
Because I don't know if we could let Cuomo be the mayor, bro.
I could set that up.
I think we need Adams on the pod.
Dead up.
That'd be fire.
I think we need that.
We need to have a real talk with him.
What would you ask him?
What do you want to know?
He might be a little afraid to come up here, though.
Nah, that motherfucker got no fear.
He got, I was a police officer energy.
Yeah, because he was.
That's what I'm saying.
But they have a different confidence.
Yeah, you know.
And no, I don't think he's scared.
They got that confidence that they can do whatever and get away with it.
He's away with it.
Yeah.
We're not talking about it no more.
What did he even do?
I don't know.
Do you know what he did?
I don't.
Does anyone know?
You don't know?
No one knows.
Don't call me that.
This is the beauty of headlines, bro.
It really is the beauty of headlines.
It's like it's like kickbacks to open some Turkish like I think it was construction for the Turkish embassy or whatever, like that.
And it's like, low-key, build your embassy, bro.
I don't like a couple free flights.
Two counts.
Solicitation of a contribution by a foreign national and bribery.
How do you feel about that?
Come on, bro.
Like, what?
What is like, how do you do that?
How are politicians not doing that?
That's the question.
Yeah.
So here's a concern: the concern I imagine is this: if you're a foreign country, right?
And you see a rising star in the American political system.
If I'm a foreign country that I want and I want any influence in American politics at all, and that is advantageous to foreign countries, obviously, you get in bed with these guys when they're real young, like before they're even mayor of New York.
And you got a little thing on them that you're not really going to talk about.
And they're not really sweating because they got these, you know, political dreams.
And hopefully they get to be president one day.
I mean, if you're going to be mayor of New York, there's no way you're not thinking I could be president.
Oh, yeah.
It's the next logical step, right?
So if you're Turkey, if you're China, if you're Qatar, if you're anything, right?
You go, all right, let's see if we can just, you know, talk to that guy.
Let's throw a little money in his campaign.
Let's do whatever we can.
And then if he does rise to this political superstardom, he does become president, then that's a phone call away.
And you're like, listen, we would really appreciate it if you don't make these tariffs too crazy.
You know, we're boys.
Remember back in the day, we gave you that 100 grand, and that's your way of going.
We don't want to make this a big problem.
It's like getting it on the seed round.
I mean, if I'm another country, that's what I'm doing.
I'm looking at every young political star potentially, and I'm going, I love what you're doing.
How can I help?
Not even trying to bribe you.
How can I help?
And then, you know, becoming friends.
Yeah.
Wow.
So we could let him be mayor.
He can't be president.
That's crazy.
He's already bribed by the Turks, right?
For 100 grand.
But mayor, I like it.
Mayor, I like it.
Someone say president is a Russian asset.
I don't know.
Some people say, is he still a Russian?
Debunked.
I think that's what Sagar said.
We trust the last person that spoke to him.
It's definitely not Russian.
Who's he supported by now?
Who's it's actually it was it?
No, Trump is like, stop it.
This guy, Ian Carroll, went on rogue with my mustache and talked so much about how Israel is influencing.
Like it was like Epstein shit.
It feels like there was no new conspiracies that were brought up.
It was like the same conspiracies we've heard for the last decade.
Yeah, but Twitter.
But what's it?
It's big, juicy one.
It's a juicy one that's still not fucking answered.
We never get an answer to that, bro.
9-11.
We should get an answer.
We know who did 9-11.
Yo, Dove, you gotta, y'all gotta do.
I know, Ian Carroll doing some nasty work.
Y'all gotta check that whole fucking out of it.
But black people are someday.
Now, that motherfucker spins.
Jews, you got to be careful.
Yeah.
Okay.
Jews made the little NAACP or everything and black people are going to ride from.
We had this for a while, but he is cooking right now.
So what is he doing?
What is he actually doing?
What do you mean?
Like, what is he saying?
Like, what is going so viral on Twitter specifically?
Because I just see Twitter and it's like, it's back to like everything is the Jews' fault.
So, but what specifically is he outing?
What is he?
What connections is he?
I don't know all the specifics, but the thing that people just keep trying, they can't seem to separate is that he's saying the Israeli government and everybody ties that by anti-Semitism and he's talking about all Jews.
And I don't think he's doing that.
Right.
But that's the way it seems like online.
That's the only thing that I don't like because it's like he's really clear and just being like, oh, it's the Israeli government that's doing all these things.
And then everybody's like, oh, anti-Semitism be saying Jews cause the rest of the internet's just tying the two together.
But he's not saying that.
Sorry.
So this is the tricky thing: is like he's, you should be able to criticize every single government on the planet.
You should be able to criticize Israel.
You should be able to criticize Russia.
You'll be able to criticize China, whatever the fuck you want, you should be able to criticize.
Now, it is tricky, right?
Because Jews in America and Jews around the world naturally are very supportive of Israel.
So sometimes that support gets conflated.
You're like, are you supporting that country because they've allegedly done those things?
Or are you supporting them because you like a Jewish homeland and you feel safe there and you've been reading all the books forever and you just want that place to exist?
So I think that there is a separation there.
But if you're somebody who hates Jews and you hear that rhetoric from Ian, you're going, see, this is why I hate him because of all this shit.
I can see that.
Right.
So it is a, but the thing that I've seen like kind of explode the most is this idea of like foreign influence, right?
Which is a very reasonable discussion to have.
Like if you feel like other countries are influencing America, we should be able to look into that influence and be critical of that influence, right?
Now, that's not to say that we shouldn't take foreign investment.
Give us all your fucking money.
Do you know what I mean?
If Saudi Arabia wants to buy a trillion dollars worth of planes that don't work, absolutely.
We'd love to sell you planes that don't work.
We literally sell them planes with the technology that doesn't make them as good as they can be.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, it's like go-karts.
We put the governor on that shit.
That plane goes 100 miles per hour.
Because in case you act up, we need a 200 mile per hour plane to take you out.
Oh, that's fine.
I believe that's the understanding.
We're not selling them.
We're not selling the F-35s.
We're not giving anybody F-5, but I think you give them like F-16s.
You give them the top of that shit.
We're not giving nobody those F-35s.
Hold on.
Hold on.
You know something.
We don't know.
We have plenty of people that have F-35s.
Other countries don't have the F-22, I believe.
Not 35.
UK has it.
I think Israel has it.
I think.
I like how you guys play.
You can't put it first.
I don't think six countries have this.
The United States does sell F-35 Lightning II fighter jets to other countries.
Don't do that to me, Mark.
Yeah.
I mean, Dove is a little autistic about the planes.
He loves the fucking planes, so I trust him with this kind of information.
But I think, so here's, I think, the tricky thing, right?
Is that it looks like there's this influence, right?
And a lot of people in America, like they make this big concern.
How do I even say it?
Because I don't want to discredit people who care about what's happening in Gaza.
Like, I think there are definitely a lot of people in America around the world care about what's happening in Gaza.
And they're like, hey, this feels excessive and they don't want people dying.
Right.
I also think there have been plenty of other times throughout history where like America has been responsible for the murder of tons of people, a million people in Iraq.
And like, yes, there are Americans who are concerned.
They're like, this is fucked up.
We don't like this.
This is horrible.
But there's a little part of Americans who are like, yeah, but the gas is like 250, right?
So, I think there's a little part of this discussion which is kind of missing, which is like, what are we getting out of this tragedy?
We're supporting this tragedy, but what do we get?
And I think it's on like Israel, to be honest, to explain if we're best friends, if we're our closest ally or whatever it is, like you, it's up to you to explain to Americans if you want to continue to get that support, why we're so close.
What is the information?
Now, I hear a lot of people when I ask, they're like, we get, what is it called?
Intelligence.
Okay.
So, intelligence can essentially mean like, hey, there's this terror attack that's going to happen.
You guys should do something about it.
Let's operate in the best case scenario, right?
And I know there's already people on the air and they're like, oh, you're fucking, you're just bootlegging the Jews or whatever the fuck it is.
I'm just saying, best case scenario.
They've given us information to thwart 20 more 9-11s, let's say.
Because I doubt there's one planned attack on America, right?
There's probably a bunch.
So let's say they've given us information that stops 20 others.
They can't tell America, by the way, we gave you the information to stop these attacks because now you're going to give up those people that are embedded in those like terror institutions or even the country's governments that are playing these attacks.
So now you remove your intelligence.
So there is a version where America is giving them this amount of money a year and we're getting intelligence that is valuable to us, but you can't communicate that to American people.
Okay.
Well, you need to figure out something else to communicate.
Even if they did communicate it, I feel like people wouldn't believe it.
That's all I can do.
Imagine they put out like, you know, a news headline, the Israel Times.
They're like, Israel stops terror attack in America.
Yeah.
Everyone be like, yeah, all right.
Of course you did.
Because now you're just saying it because it didn't happen.
But if you are, because here's the reality of the world, like once control the media.
But this is the reality of the world.
It's like once something happens, like the government is always going to be a reflection of the people.
Right.
So like if there isn't support for something in America, you will not get money eventually.
Wait.
There's waning support in America for the war in Ukraine.
Okay.
Right.
Americans are kind of suffering.
They feel like they don't have money here.
And they were like, why are we sending billions of dollars over to this other country?
I don't really know anybody from there.
I don't really understand how it's an existential threat to us personally.
Like, I don't get it.
And I can't afford eggs.
So like if any billions of dollars are going anywhere, send it, send it over here first.
I think that's the feeling a lot of Americans have.
I think if the economy was absolutely flourishing, we don't give a fuck about U.S. aid.
We don't care about the plays they're doing in the Philippines or whatever the fuck they want.
But in America, when times are tough, naturally, and I think it's a very reasonable response, we start looking at where the money's going.
You know what I mean?
Like if you're not spending a lot of time with your dad, but your dad's out here doing all this other shit, you have some resentment towards all those other things your dad's doing.
You want to hang out.
So I think in those moments, it's up to those countries that are getting help to show us the value that they're bringing to us.
You have to find a way to communicate that value.
Otherwise, Americans start feeling taken advantage of.
Now, we might not be.
And you have to leave that space open.
I think people are like, they're determined that they know exactly what's going on.
There's a little bit of an addiction to conspiracy in general.
They're very exciting and fun.
They make people feel really smart.
Like you know something nobody else knows.
That's the quickest way to feeling smart.
But I think there is a burden on any country that we're giving money to.
It could be Ukraine.
It could be Israel.
It could be fucking any other country.
There's a burden on them to understand what they're bringing.
I think partially that was the mineral deal they were doing with the Ukraine.
I think it was like, I think it was like, listen, we need to, you need to give us a reason why we should continue giving you weapons.
And that would have maybe pacified the American people.
We'd be like, oh, yeah, we got all their minerals.
So honestly, we get this shit cheap and it's actually beneficial to us.
So I think Israel needs to figure out what that mineral shit is.
And you have to do that for a geopolitical reason because you have to convince the American public it is worth sending our money that can make our eggs cheaper or whatever we believe.
It doesn't matter if that's reality, it's perception.
What do we believe to be true?
Yeah, you got to figure that out because it feels like in America right now that support is low.
And when the economy is tough, the ideological wars don't go as far.
Like, yeah, like, can you explain?
That is great.
Like, if things are expensive and I'm having a hard time buying food or supporting my family, I don't give a fuck about communism.
I don't give a fuck.
I don't care about terrorism.
I don't care about none of these people.
I'm not supporting democracy.
Who cares?
Like, that is a place of privilege where we could worry about your issues over there.
My house is communist.
We're all splitting one omelette.
This is hard.
Like, I focus on the communism here, not over in like Vietnam or whatever.
Like, yeah, let's do this.
100%.
And so, the second the economy gets tight, everyone's like, all right, where's the money going?
Yeah.
I do think that some of the frustration in Gaza is that, and maybe there is, but I'm missing it, but I don't see enough Jewish people speaking out against what the Israel government is doing.
Like, I'm not subscribed to like what's, I don't know, one of your institutions, but I just don't see it.
So, it's like, it seems like all Jewish people are in support of what's going on over there because no one's speaking out against it.
That is, and then, yeah, that's an interesting, that's an interesting point, too, which is like, because even within Israel, it's quite divided, right?
So, but that is an interesting thing where it's like, if you feel under attack, your knee-jerk reaction is to support the side that you believe is defending you.
But by doing that, you're supporting the actions of the government, which a lot of Americans feel is like, okay, you did the job, and now you're twisting the knife.
Israel Nuance Perception Threats00:14:53
Now it feels like it's wrong.
Now it feels like it's going too far.
Yeah, yeah.
Now you're asking Jews to like defend everything ever.
But here, well, here's the other thing.
Here's the other thing.
You can make the argument.
Oh, no, yeah, you could.
It could be a slippery soap, and I can understand why they wouldn't want to be like, all right, we're doing this, bad.
And then we're like, see, and now what else are you doing bad?
I can see that I morally prove myself to every person that I meet everybody.
But I think Americans, we did it once we realized, hey, there's no weapons of mass destruction.
We are here for no reason.
This is wrong.
Let's stop this.
I think we called ourselves out on that shit.
Have you apologized?
Yeah, Al, did you post it?
I feel like I've never heard of it.
I put a post up.
I black squared it and shit like that.
Say something in Iraq.
We were right now.
We were like, it took us a while.
We definitely got out national resources.
It took us to March 2025.
We were calling out, we were saying, like, this war is wrong.
Like, I think the people were calling saying the war was wrong once we found out that we're in weapons of mass destruction.
Well, here's the thing.
You don't think so?
There's a lot of people that aren't.
I feel like there's a lot of people that aren't going to say it's wrong.
But another thing that we got to decide is like, we can't get caught, we can't get caught up in right and wrong.
We have to get caught up in perception.
Perception is reality.
And this is important for countries to understand.
The perception of Zelensky coming into the Oval Office, not wearing a suit, doing like a vague threat about it could affect you guys, and like being contentious with Trump and JD Vance, the perception to Americans, most of us, who aren't really informed about the conflict, was like, hold up, son, I gave you $400 billion and this is how you talk in our White House.
Cut the money off.
Now, there is much more nuance to what's happening in that war.
There's much more nuance to what's going on in the world.
Like if you talk to people that are from the countries that are around Russia, they get taught every single day in school like Russia still thinks Estonia is part of Russia.
You know, all those countries like we might be Russia one day.
So like they have a different perspective, but it's up to those countries to understand American perspective.
It don't matter what your reality is.
It matters if you want the money and you want the support, you have to meet us where our reality is.
You know, this is, we get into these discussions all the time in American culture where it's like about like the trans debate or something like that.
And, you know, somebody goes, I don't want trans women competing against women in sports.
And a lot of like left-wing people will be like, oh, that's a red herring.
And that's not actually a real issue.
It's like, okay, that might be what you feel, but you're not addressing what these people feel.
It's like you get, it's like you do something to upset your wife.
And then she's like, that upset me.
And you're going, but that's not a real issue.
Does that work ever?
No.
But I paid for the apartment.
Exactly.
They don't want to hear that shit, right?
You have to meet people where they feel.
So a lot of times people get caught up in these like logical arguments and like, oh, but America actually did this, which is just as bad as that.
That might be true and factually true, but the reality of what we live in is the perception is off.
And you need perception on your side for the support that's going to allow you to continue, I guess, doing whatever you want to do for your country.
Then you're battling the emotional volatility of a populace rather than the logical coherence of the leadership.
Welcome to geopolitics, my boy.
But then you would hope, like, okay, we're dealing with like the logical leaders that are going to support what's best for their people, despite them not knowing what's best for them.
I don't think we're dealing with, though, I think we're dealing with, I think they're also reacting to the emotional volatility in their countries.
Like, I think, I don't think it's surprising that like once this war starts ratcheting up, Putin starts going back to the Orthodox church and talks about like how important it is to be in church and church of the foundation of family when apparently before that, you never even saw him in one.
So if you're gearing up to war, you want God on your side.
You know, like he's making emotional moves.
Trump makes emotional moves all the time.
People don't trust the food.
Put the guy who says the food is bad as the leader of the food.
That's what we did in America, right?
Like we don't trust the alphabet agencies.
Put the chick who says that these alphabet agencies are not working in the best interest of the people in charge of the alphabet agencies.
Like these are emotional reactions.
Whether or not they'll be fruitful, we're going to see.
But you have to be aware of what people are thinking.
And you can't just go, you guys are stupid.
It's like, all right, keep saying that.
You're going to lose money.
I think that's like the skill of a leader.
It's like, I mean, this is a movie, so it's probably complete bullshit.
But I've used this reference before, but I forget who came over.
It was like the king of England to get support for the Americans.
Like the king came over and like, I think it was, oh man, was it FDR told him?
He's like, yo, you got to, if you want Americans who are German immigrants and Italian immigrants to go to war against Germany and Italy, to go to war against their relatives, their cousins, their uncles, you need to convince us that you are like us, that you are more like us than they are.
You need to eat the hot dog.
You need to wear some regular shit and eat a hot dog.
Don't act like some king that we fought wars to get away from.
You need to feel like you're one of the boys.
So you got this king who would eat with a knife and fork and perfect manners going, all right, let me scarf a hot dog.
And that's how simple Americans were.
I'll be like, God, motherfucker, we got a guy for him.
He's like Glizzy.
That's what I'm saying.
He didn't eat it this way.
That shit with the corner records club.
Oh, yeah, the long one.
That should have me dying, bro.
The funniest part is somebody said, someone said, yeah, yeah, I bet you eat the Snickers from the top down so you feel the veins.
Damn.
That is how I eat it, though.
How else treated Snickers, bro?
So what do you think we do in these type of situations?
Like, yeah, what do you do when there's like waning sentiment?
Put yourself in the shoes of another government.
You can put yourself in the shoes of Israel, Ukraine, whatever.
It depends what cards you have to know how to play.
For example, like, I mean, if you're China, then all of a sudden your cards open up way more.
Because why you have to control a little TikTok and control not necessarily how people feel from the messaging you tell them, but rather what you subvert into the content of the app.
What about America?
Well, no, real quick.
Just on this one, this is really interesting.
It's like, right now there's this distrust of media, right?
Like if there's any reporting that's like protecting Israel, right?
The knee-jerk reaction from people who are critical of Israel is, yeah, but they control the media, right?
So you can write it off immediately.
The subversive nature of TikTok is that it's everyday people in their bathroom just saying some shit and it pops up on your phone.
You don't see some news ticker.
In a weird way, we have more trust.
That's fucking so like the way you subvert the narrative is you have regular people echoing the sentiments instead of the professional journalists, which now don't have, we don't have the same faith in.
Or what America did in the Cold War with modern art or with, you know, rock music and like in like in what was the rock music thing?
Just like putting it into Soviet like countries, basically, like putting into the Soviet Union, like sneaking in like albums and sneaking in Western influence or then even just like promoting modern art and like, look at how free we are.
And you're able to then win this culture war and the soft power.
People are like, man, America's pretty cool.
We're not as rigid as over here.
You know, we're not, they're not totalitarian, you know?
And so with that, you can change the hearts of people and then get them to not fight as fervently for the country that they're technically named.
Israel, y'all need two more seasons of curb your enthusiasm.
Stat.
Yes.
Yo, Larry David, get off the couch and get back to cooking.
That might be the only thing that capacify Americans.
Yeah, yeah.
A 22 episode season of curb your enthusiasm.
We'd be like, what's the deal with Hamas?
What if we bring back Seinfeld?
Yeah.
Yo.
Yeah.
We do need like Israeli soft power.
You know what I mean?
If like the Israelis really want to win it over, because we got Jews in America, but we're just like, ah, they're American, you know?
Like Larry Davis, he's American, right?
Seinfeld's American.
You need an Israeli, you know?
That's interesting.
There's no like relationship between America and Israel in terms of the Israeli people.
Our idea of Jews is the American version of them.
And then that's it.
And it's kind of like just the Ashkenazi New York.
We don't really know Jews outside of like white New York Jews.
Yeah.
We have no idea of like the Dove Juice.
Like the African ones, there's no concept of that in America.
And I wonder if that like skews the perspective of what's happening in Israel.
You think it's just these white people that look like Seinfeld in Israel, right?
When it's a bunch of darkies like Dove.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, like, what is the, what is the perspective of like an Israeli to an American?
Like, what is that?
Hasid.
Yeah.
Like, really?
Yes.
I feel like, yeah.
And I don't know if it's propaganda or what, but like, you see Hasidis just pop up on Twitter or like on Instagram and they're just killing them.
They're just going off in the comments.
I mean, they're fun to make fun of them.
I feel like the dude that would come over here sometimes who would sit at the table.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Our handler.
Yeah.
We have, yeah, yeah.
Israel sent us a handle.
Exactly.
That is what I think.
We got an APAC delegate.
They're like, somehow, this guy with a fucking yamaka can walk into the studio.
They're good.
He got assigned from the Israeli government.
He's like, yeah, go look at these guys.
College is a gay.
Yeah.
I can't get Amsterdam or something.
Like, no, no, no.
You go over there.
How lucky is he?
He could be in a bomb shelter.
No, he's making gay jokes with us on Flavor.
That's what we mean.
Exactly.
Yeah, we need to look into this show.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Like, perception is important.
There are so many people online who will give you every single like statistical fact and they'll be like, yeah, but America did this even worse in this time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you think we care about that?
We don't care about that.
You are dealing with emotional people.
There's that Jonathan Hait book.
It's called The Righteous Mind.
Yep.
Read that shit.
Read that shit.
Okay.
Because you're trying to logically address what people are going through.
And just like arguing with your wife, that shit ain't going to work.
You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason into.
In the first place.
Yeah.
100%.
We are your wife.
You got to treat everybody like your wife.
Yeah.
Especially on the geopolitical stage.
You could do the strongman shit, but then you got to be able to bang out.
Not everybody is strong.
Yeah, people try to do this turn like George Floyd and shit.
They were like, oh, black people, like, actually, technically, cops kill you guys the same as other people.
Oh, yeah.
How'd that make you feel?
They're like, shit.
It's like you go, you know, you don't go, oh, those are the stats.
Well, I'll.
And all lives matter.
Like, come on, bro.
Yeah.
So it's like, you need to be met emotionally.
You need someone to acknowledge, like, yo, it does seem fucked up.
I get why you guys feel that way 100%.
Like, I see these videos and it's fucking disgusting.
It's terrifying.
Right.
And then you could also go to cops and be like, listen, it's hard to be you.
It's hard to make those decisions in the moment.
Like, that's a fucking tough job.
Like, you're going out there.
We're an armed public.
You don't know who got a gun and who doesn't in America.
Like, that's a scary fucking place to be.
You start there.
But nuance is uncomfortable.
It is very uncomfortable.
But it is more comfortable if you at least meet somebody where they're feeling.
Like if you acknowledge what they're feeling and not make them feel like a retard for it, which is like what our, I don't even know if it's like our, our political rhetoric has become.
It's just this like dunk on economy.
It's like, you're stupid because, you know, I'm right because it does require a lot of like empathy to be able to be like, hey, I feel for what black people have gone through historically and currently in America, but also I feel for what cops are going through.
And it's hard to feel like, oh, I understand what, you know, Ukraine's going through, but I also understand what Russia's going through.
I understand what Gaza is going through.
I also understand what the Israelis are going through.
Do you think it would help if like a prominent Jewish person came out and was like, hey, you guys don't understand we've been at war with these people for a really long time.
Yes, maybe the government has been gone a little heavy-handed with the response, but until you're in it, you really don't get it.
So you think that would help any sentiment?
My concern is you can't start any discussion with you don't understand.
Okay.
Well, but put it differently.
I think, I think that.
Hey, we got attacked.
Like our response, you might deem it as excessive, but we feel this is what's necessary in order to like end this conflict that's been going on for all these years.
In my, again, I don't know, but my estimation, it doesn't feel like they're very concerned with the perception of what's happening.
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
Like, I think people need to speak out more to help with that perception.
Yeah.
And I think that there's like a lot of like.
Because without speaking out, we feel gaslit.
Like, oh, we can't say anything because you're just going to call us anti-Semitic.
Not us.
I'm just trying to speak.
Yes, yes, that that would potentially be thrown out 100%.
Yeah, it's a, it's a really tricky situation.
I don't know what, I think that what people want to feel, the people who are really against this war, what they want to feel is that they're right, that the war is bad and it's wrong and what's horrible, what's happening.
So it's going to require somebody on that side going, you're right.
It's horrible.
It's happening and this has gone too far and this is disgusting.
But we're still going to do it.
Like that's a very tricky position to be in.
You know, so it's like, but again, I think a major component of this that nobody's talking to is Americans not really knowing what we get out of this support.
Like, what do we get out of it?
What is the concern?
Like, if we found out that like Hamas was also behind all these potential terror attacks that were happening here and their base that organized them was doing that and that there was four different attacks that were about to happen.
They were thwarted because of that intelligence, blah, blah, blah.
Then all of a sudden, Americans might go, whoa, whoa, okay, okay, okay.
We're under serious threat.
You know what I mean?
Like we might feel under serious threat.
So we're like, all right, if you got to bang out, you got to bang out and we got you.
But I think Americans are removed from that threat.
I know 9-11 was that long ago, but I think we are, we're quite removed.
We're definitely removed from the existential threat of Russia.
Like we just don't feel it.
I can't speak for everybody, but I don't, personally, I don't feel it.
We forget.
Forget quick.
I don't feel like... Eric Adams is running for a mayor.
We forget.
The GOAT, bro.
We got Eric Adams.
You invade us when we got Eric Adams.
I'm not afraid.
Not afraid at all.
You know, he'll have four Turkish airliners in Russia tomorrow.
Okay, with bad bitches.
The best hairline you've ever seen.
That's what I'm talking about.
But then the question is: what if they can't find a justification for why America needs to support Israel?
Is it a necessity for the state to then create propaganda?
Or do they just say, hey, unfortunately, we don't have any background?
So I think the concern right now is that like propaganda in its old form is no longer useful.
Okay.
Useful meaning, no, sorry, effective.
So like, I don't think the, I don't even know what the propaganda is anymore.
Propaganda Good Evil Statecraft00:03:40
I, like, I don't even think they're effective.
But, but, like, what is the propaganda that they're giving us?
Like, the only way that propaganda works is if you create a threat against me.
Like, what is the concern for me?
And I don't see that.
The only argument I see is like, well, America would, would have done something 10 times worse and has in the past.
It's like, all right, but you not us.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, like, okay.
Yeah.
So it's like, if again, I, that, that's where I'm saying.
It's like, you have to, we have to feel an actual, the propaganda has to induce an actual fear, which is what the propaganda for communism did.
Like, that's MacArthurism or whatever happened.
Like, we're like looking for people.
And oh, these Hollywood slubs, they're actually fucking communists.
The American way is going to be completely destroyed.
Like, there was real threat to America.
Right now, we don't feel threat from Hamas at all.
Right.
And so the fact that we don't feel threat and we're supporting this thing, which we're seeing all these videos and it's like horrifying.
And you're just like, whoa.
So what is, I don't even know if they're giving propaganda.
Like, what is the like, what is the good, useful propaganda?
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the point is that there isn't really.
Yeah.
Because Americans don't know why there's all this stake.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, so it's tricky.
And this is one of the things that, like, we're talking about like how leaders got to get support for things.
We're not talking about whether things are right or wrong, right?
Right or wrong is in the eyes of the person that's doing the doing, right?
Like I'm sure they feel justified.
They're like, look what happened to us.
We're responding to this attack.
And I'm sure Hamas feels justified.
They're like, look what has happened to us.
And then we did that.
So both of them feel like they're in the right and the other is in the wrong.
And we're sitting over here going, what's this got to do with us, yo?
Eggs are fucking $100.
Why'd they get $40 billion when eggs are $100?
You know, buy $40 billion worth of eggs before we go do this shit.
So you need to massage.
If you want support, you need to work on that.
Because if not, you are going to have so many people asking questions about this.
I think if the economy was absolutely flourishing, everybody's rich and Bitcoin's at 100.
I don't even think we're looking about what's happening in Ukraine.
I think everybody's trying to buy a G-Wagon.
Everybody's trying to start up some business on Instagram.
Like when the economy is doing well, Americans, we don't even look outside.
We only look outside for vacation.
We're not looking where the money goes.
It's like everybody gets robbed.
Everybody who makes a lot of money, like an athlete or a rapper or something like that, like a musician, everybody gets robbed when they're making all the money.
They don't realize it until they default on their house.
And then they're like, well, my money manager took $5 million and this person.
You don't notice that in the moment.
Yeah.
When I had to pay taxes, I'd like unsubscribe from HBO.
Immediately.
I just look.
I just look to see what's going on.
But then HBO will send me an email and be like, you watched these shows this past year.
I go, oh, that's.
Give me my propaganda.
Good point.
Tell me what I paid for.
That's a good point.
And then HBO will set up a terror squad from Netflix to shoot up my house.
I go, whoa, we got to get into it.
I mean, that is my evil statecraft.
If I was like the Machiavellian king of Israel, you prop up Hamas terror cells in America.
Okay.
Secretly, surreptitiously, through some other country, some type of proxy war.
And then they cause domestic terrorism within the United States.
And then we go, Hamas can't exist anywhere.
We got to get rid of whatever Hamas exists, we're rooting it out.
Now, you're not suggesting that they do this.
This would be I've just been reading 48 Laws of Power.
So that seems like a very effective book to learn how to deal with these things.
Rogan Tennis Beach Paddle00:08:31
So now I've become a master of power and deception.
But like, I don't know, if I was an evil, you know, you know, world builder, that's what I would do.
If we don't care about you, you're not getting our money.
Did you learn to hypnotize yet?
No, that shit is fake.
I think Al could be hypnotized 100%.
I know why.
The fuck?
He thought he was white in his past life, bro.
I still need that past life regression.
Low-key, we need a hypnotist on the pod to hypnotize you.
I think you're going down.
I wouldn't let you guys do it here.
Fuck out.
Oh, come on.
No, you're going to have me kissing myself.
I was about to say, fuck, I was about to say I'm going to come back to it, kill myself.
Fuck out of here.
We did.
We got a mentalist at the last Mary Lou show.
Okay.
Oh, it was the best.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
Tell me what happened.
This guy, Josh, the foodie magician.
Okay.
Which also, can we just point out a lot of people think that Jews have magic?
Yeah.
Which I don't think that's true.
Okay.
But every famous magician is Jewish.
So you guys do have to answer for that also.
Yeah.
It's just, there's a lot.
Copperfield, David Blaine, this guy, the foodie magician.
Houdini.
Houdini.
Yeah.
Infamously magic, guys.
We love magic.
That's you get it.
So I don't think Jews have secret powers, but you guys are the closest to having secret powers.
If we just look at magicians, whoa, I'll take it.
But he went up on the show and like guessed all this crazy.
Like, he like knew the restaurant that I like, my favorite restaurant, wrote it down on a thing, revealed it, and then had it on an Instagram post from two months ago, like the name of the restaurant, everyone else's things.
He guessed like some girl's like dog.
And then all the black comics on the show were just fucking furious.
Just watching the show just from the back.
Just like, what the fuck is he doing?
Am we supposed to believe they don't control us?
Pissed off.
He didn't come to my show.
I went to the later one.
Yeah.
We just had an annoying couple in the front that I was so happy.
She like they went to the bathroom, the couple, and then while coming back, they both bust their ass trying to get back to the table.
It was so good.
And then she tried to get up and bust her ass again.
No, no.
I had to run out laughing.
Yeah, I would have like disrupted the show if I could have bothered.
How often are you doing the show?
Monthly?
Yeah, once the last Tuesday of every month.
So the last Tuesday every month, Mark does a show at Mary Lou and Mark and Joey Avery.
They run a show at Mary Lou.
Great comedy show and an awesome venue.
I used to go to used to be a place called Cafe Orland.
And Jamil and I used to have breakfast there every single week of our lives.
The first podcast I ever recorded my entire life that never saw the light of day, me and my boy Bobby, you guys know Bobby.
Yeah, yeah.
Recorded at Cafe Orlando just on a random like Zoom, Zoom mic with no actual microphone.
What was the discussion of that podcast?
Just some wild shit.
Probably the same thing we discussed.
But yeah, so like it's a great show.
I've done it.
You guys should go check it out.
And it's the last Tuesday of every single month.
So have you posted tickets for the next thing yet?
No, we're actually going to be posting today.
Okay.
So today we'll come out.
Go get them shits.
It's fantastic.
They do two shows a night.
And you never know who's going to pull up.
You guys have some nice little lineup.
Yeah.
I like this.
I like this a lot.
Very fun.
Very fun.
Yeah, it's a good time.
All right.
What else we got before we wrap this up?
Are we going to run through some feelings?
No facts real quick.
Let's get it.
You saw Kanye talking to Faith Rogan?
Oh, poor Kanye.
Oh, poor Kanye.
No, poor Kanye.
Fuck Kanye.
Did you see this?
Click it.
Kanye goes on Twitter and he's like, guys, I'm playing another podcast with Joe Rogan.
Here you go.
And then Rogan tweets out and goes, yeah, it's not me.
Do you think Kanye did that on purpose?
Like, he got to know he's not talking.
You can't let him have it all, man.
Come on.
You think he's just doing this?
He's just, he's like, he knows he's not talking to Rogan.
He's just, yeah.
Like, some people are pointing out, like, oh, it's fake text messages and da-da-da-da.
Yeah.
And then, like, he put the whole thing together.
There's also another.
Did you really give Kanye that much credit?
I really couldn't believe that he was talking to, he thought he was talking to Rogan.
Maybe.
I bet you he was trying to get on and then it wasn't really lining up.
And so then he put it out in the universe.
Oh, to try to force his hand.
Something like that.
Like, I don't know.
But Rogan's not that tight.
No, not at all.
Nah, this is just, yeah, sad.
I think somebody just hit him with like, hey, this Rogan is my new number.
He just believed it.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, yeah, I guess that would get me.
That would get you.
Yeah.
Fishing scam.
Oh, I get fish all the time.
Also, shout out Rogan, man.
That was a fun episode.
The paddle community internationally is going crazy.
Oh, yeah.
It's lighting up.
Yeah, because we spoke about paddle.
Like, he didn't know what paddle was.
And it's also, it was so interesting.
Like, Rogan knows pretty much everything.
So him finding out about something is like rare.
And like, he was like, man, what is this sport?
Like, he literally knows everything.
He talks to every expert in every field.
And then I bring it up.
It was so cool just to see every paddle page talking about it.
I don't know what the, what it's similar to.
Like, it's like we're like part of like an indie rock band or something like that.
And then we get mentioned on MTV or something.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a new sport.
You're right.
It is new.
But it was cool to just talk about on like the biggest platform in the world and then also see all the people in the community be really excited about it.
Yeah.
This also just shows like, obviously everybody knows the biggest platform in the world, but it does, it is, I imagine, quite validating for this sport that we're all obsessed with that we have to tell people is not pickleball every single day to like get spoken about on this thing.
And then Rogan being like excited about it.
Well, that's what Joe's best.
Yeah.
Is that like you tell him something new and he goes, I'd love it.
I'd want to know about him.
Yeah, yeah.
Whereas Alex over here, that shit is gay.
It usually is some gay shit.
Do you see?
Y'all recorded yourself playing.
It ain't that generous.
See what you're a fucking tennis post.
She does these like cryptic little tennis posts.
Well, do you know how to have him matching outfits and shit?
I do that shit too.
I ain't a lot of shit.
I have my child.
Oh, I said, what do you want for Christmas?
I go paddle up.
But you act like that's new.
You match all the time anyway.
I know.
Nah, but you got to flex when you're in a court, bro.
You got a stunt on him.
Yeah.
I mean, you even have to tie him.
Like Agassiz, yeah.
That's why you're matching with a couch runner.
You know how like when we would play ball back in the day, like the dude that had the perfect basketball outfit was always ass.
Always asking.
That's me.
But now I get why they did that.
Because up to the point when they play, they don't really look like ass.
And they, so you basically have like that 15 minutes of warm-up before the person that you're playing against know you suck.
Where you're like, all right, I got it.
Like when we were in Dubai and we were in Abu Dhabi, they gave us the paddle shirts with our names on them.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm showing up to the court with a fucking name on my back.
My name.
They think you're Emirati.
They think I play pro for UAE.
Propaganda.
Soft paddle.
Nah.
So my birthday's next week.
And so for this weekend, I'm going to a tennis hotel.
That's a paddle name.
I've heard about these.
So five, six different courts.
They just, all year round, they have like different trainers there and shit like that.
And so players just come in and out, all inclusive.
Where is it?
In Dominican Republic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They have them like Hawaii Beach.
So my shorty will just be on the beach.
I'm going to be playing all day.
Perfect birthday.
This is like perfect.
This is the dream.
Robin Nadal has it in Mallorca.
I think people go for the week.
They don't have a paddle hotel?
Sheltie, you need to do that.
I need to make it.
You need to do that.
Basically, any vacation that we try to make up, we're first looking at Jason and I are going, like, okay, where's the paddle?
Right.
And we thought that we had that locked in with St. Bart's, but like, getting anything to a Caribbean island is like just this mound of bureaucracy you have to get through, even for like these rich bougie people.
At the end of the day, like, there's something funny about government.
It's like, even the richest, most bougie people, they got to like tuck their cock between their legs and beg some local mayor, please, can I get my panel card?
And they, the mayors just go, we're too busy.
We can't do this.
Wow.
So they didn't have it up.
But every vacation I try to take, I want to make sure there's better.
So what you're doing, I'm like so envious of it, it's unbelievable.
My girl's on board.
I was like, oh, she gets to go to the beach.
Yeah.
You guys have a nice breakfast together.
You have a nice dinner.
And then you play in between, and she hangs at the beach.
She reads.
Great.
Tell me this isn't an awesome vacation.
Every year.
Playing tennis every day, very white, but having a whole week.
A whole week for your birthday, very black.
So I think it's like I get that.
So you need to do both.
LeBron League Bronny Father00:09:51
We take it over to sport.
We got Coco.
We got Sheldon.
We got a few.
That's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, there are a few.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're doing good.
Watch out.
We're going to come for paddle, bro.
I would love that.
I would love that because you are kind of like imprisoned.
There's a fence.
All right.
Stephen A. Smith got into a beef with LeBron.
Yo.
You saw this?
Yeah.
Stephen A for president, bro.
Yo, Stephen A is he's that's a real one right there, bro.
A lot of people would be terrified of beefing with LeBron because of the leverage he has over the sports media.
Yeah.
And Stephen A don't give a fuck, bro.
It's actually interesting.
I wonder if you cannot give a fuck more now that like information is decentralized.
Like he has his own podcast.
Like he doesn't need ESPN.
Even if ESPN was like, hey, that's the golden goose.
Don't piss off LeBron.
He'd be like, all right, I just won't talk about it over here.
I'll just get all the ratings on my pod.
So I wonder if you're getting like a more honest version of sports journalism where back in the day it was very much curated.
So you need to get scoops.
You need to get all this stuff.
And he just got 100 M's.
So they're not upset of what he's saying about LeBron.
They're like, yo, run it up.
Run that shit up.
But that was a big misstep on LeBron, though.
Can you tell me what it was about?
I mean, it was just like, keep my son's name out of your mouth type thing.
Son, your son is a professional athlete, LeBron.
I get, I get what's that?
I don't think it was about his son specifically playing.
It was something that he compared Carmelo and his relationship with his son to LeBron.
Oh, and it was like, it was sort of like a weird little like sneak test, from what I understand.
And so he wasn't insulting the way he played the game.
He was insulting his role as a father.
Yeah, it seems more like that, to be honest, from what I understand.
Like I was reading up on a bunch of people that were like sort of pinning it and like the time code of what he was saying.
Yeah.
But he said a bunch about Bronny.
So it's like, I'm pretty sure he's just tired of him constantly bringing up his son.
Well, look, here's the reality.
But he just made it 10 times.
So, like, this is one of the quotes he said: I'm pleading with LeBron James as a father.
Stop this in regards to Bronny's playtime in the NBA.
Right.
And the idea is the only reason Bronny's there is because he is LeBron's son.
Yeah.
Which is a perfectly reasonable excuse.
Now, I will say there's G-League games where Bronny seems to be going off.
So, but when he plays at the elite level, he doesn't have any numbers that reflect his ability to play in the end.
And that's what I believe Stephen A is saying, where it's like, he's not ready.
Yeah.
And then LeBron's coming at him, like, yo, as a father, stop talking about my kid.
So, this is a tricky thing.
It's like because your father is in this advantageous position, you're going to be able to bestow certain opportunities upon your kid.
And he even mentioned this before.
He's like, you know, I see white people do this all the time.
They get their kids jobs that they don't deserve.
So he goes, so I support you doing it.
But at the same time, that doesn't mean it goes without criticism.
Just like it doesn't go without criticism when you see the Nepo baby shit with white people, with Jews, with anybody, right?
It's like we criticize the Nepo babies.
We like to see people who have earned things and deserve things.
We just don't have like commentary for hed funds.
We should.
We should.
We shouldn't have a Stephen A for head.
We should.
And every week they just go through all of them.
They're like, yo, this trade, this person hired this guy.
That was fucked up.
They got money from this person.
That'd be fire.
We should just have a watchdog that just goes off on all the financials.
This is so boring to look at all that financial person.
Steven A can make it awesome.
That person makes it a monk before they get to it.
Yeah, also that.
Anyway, the point is, is like, I guess you can't have it both ways.
Like you can get your kid a job that maybe he doesn't deserve, but you can't also say nobody's allowed to criticize him.
And if he doesn't deserve it, this is a merit-based business, sports.
You're going to get extra criticism.
So I get it as a father.
Like you want to ride for your kids.
I 100% understand that, but it's not going to stop it.
Like LeBron can say whatever he wants.
The only thing, the only reason I would say don't do it is because it's just going to put more gas on it.
That's what he, yeah.
Yeah.
And this is my first second thing in the past week that I've heard LeBron saying about the media.
What'd he say?
Like he was talking about this thing with, who was it?
Anthony Edwards, I think?
Where he was like, or I forget, Tatum?
Where he was like, why do you want to be the face of the league?
So you just get criticized all the time, get criticized every day, day in, day out.
Everything you do picked apart by the media.
So it feels like at this point in his career, he's like, I should be beyond this, but I'm still getting nitpicked at every single turn.
You know what's interesting, man?
Is that I don't know if this same criticism would happen 10 years ago.
LeBron has one probably year left.
He might do two or three.
He could play as long as his body holds up and his body looks great.
But let's say he's got one or two years left.
When the media knows you have one or two years left, you don't have the leverage that you had when you have the next decade to dominate the sport.
The media is moving on and finding new stars.
They're not as reliant on you for the success of the league as they were in the past.
Like it's in the media's best interest, if you're a superstar, for you to be a superstar.
Because the bigger you get, the more attention these people in the media get.
I think it's probably one of the arguments for protecting.
They say they protected Jordan, right?
It's just like, yo, can you just not post bad shit about the golden goose and let us.
And that's a difference, though.
I feel like they've always talked shit about Braun.
Yeah, it's very little, but they've always done it throughout his career.
He wasn't clutching in the beginning.
You're right.
You're right.
Just record in the finals.
Like he never got the Jordan treatment.
And maybe that's why he's disgruntled about.
Yeah, but why do you think that is?
I think just too much competition in sports media.
And it's like.
Oh, wow.
That's interesting.
He's like, you need a take.
And there's 40 different shows and they're all going to have a take.
And what's the most interesting take is saying that one of the greatest of all time is actually not the greatest.
And that's, yeah, that's what we do just with everything.
So imagine if you're him.
He's like, yo, look at what I've done.
And that probably fuels you when you're like 28.
But when you're 41, you just.
And you've already done everything.
You've won all the records.
You're the lead score.
Like, you've done everything.
And you're like, finally, this will shut them up.
Nope.
And then you're like, fuck this.
Yeah, because your greatness isn't what shuts them up or not.
And I wonder if there's even a part of him that's like, I've been subjected to this my entire life, my entire personal life picked apart.
I can't live in privacy.
Like everything sucks.
And now I'm putting my son through this.
So he's probably trying to squash it early.
Like, yo, chill.
And that's you could talk about me, but chill out on, oh, that's a good ass.
Yeah.
I wonder if he feels like a little bit of a sense of like, yo, I'm putting my son through this terrible bullshit I put myself through.
And he's a great player, but also like, we're good.
Like I did this because I'm, I came from nothing in Akron, Ohio.
Yeah.
My kid doesn't necessarily have to go.
He really doesn't have to go through it if he doesn't want to.
But like now he's going to be subjected to it even more scrutinized.
I was compared to Jordan and now my kid is going to be compared to me.
And like, and he probably feels personally responsible because he knows that something doesn't belong in that spot.
And it's because he leveraged his son to get in that spot.
So now you're responsible for all that hate.
I wonder if he's grappling with that thing where it's like, is this Bronny's dream?
Is he doing this to impress me?
Have I kind of like pushed this ambition onto him?
Like, that's a tricky one.
And through no fault of his own, like, just by becoming this virtuoso at this thing, your kids are going to want to end it.
If you see how much people admire your father, you want to do that thing that they admire your father for, naturally.
I want to be a comedy just because my dad told funny stories.
Facts.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So imagine your dad's the greatest ever.
You're like, yeah, you want to take a part in that lineage.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's tough.
It's tricky.
And I feel for LeBron.
I wonder if he justifies it like.
I feel for both Braun and Bronny.
Oh, sure.
But I wonder if LeBron justifies trying to squash the criticism by saying, you don't talk about any other G League player like this.
Yeah.
Like he's like, yo, just treat him like every other G League player and don't cover him, which you do.
So he goes, he might think in his brain, he might be, you're just doing this to either get at me or because you know it's clicks, but it's not genuine or authentic because you don't talk about G League players at all.
But he's got to reconcile the fact that they're not treating Bronny as a G League player.
But he doesn't see it like that.
I bet you in his mind, I bet you, LeBron is like, no, Bronny should be in the NBA and he should be in the G League.
Like he's better than these other guys.
I see him hoop with them.
Like he actually has guys on his team that I'm sure he's like, Bronny's better than him.
I don't even know why the fuck we got this bum on the team.
And also there's that bias of being a dad.
Like everything you see in your kid is going to be the best.
So I wonder if he genuinely believes that the criticism is unfounded and he's reacting in kind.
And it probably is because the fact that he's balling in the G League, like it's probably a mental thing when he gets in.
Also, like when we saw him at the garden, like he gets put in with 30 seconds left.
And obviously he's, they're going to try to get him some buckets.
But keep in mind.
They call it garbage time for a reason.
Facts.
But think about it.
If you're playing D on the last 30 seconds of a blowout, you're also the bum on the other team.
And you're like, I ain't letting this kid score.
So he's not going against garbage time defense.
He's going up against some young whipper snapper who's like, Bronny is not scoring on me.
This guy everybody calls a bum is going to score on me.
Then I'm going to lose my 10-day contract.
Fuck that.
I'm putting the clamps on this kid.
So he's probably going against weaker defense in the G-League just in terms of effort.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
Because they're treating him just like another player, probably.
There's probably a little ego.
I'm sure compared to the league, it's like, but different level.
Yeah, it's tricky, man.
As a dad, I get it.
As a dad, I get it.
But, but as, yeah, that was like Zelensky.
He should have done that in private.
That's the misstep.
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Yeah.
You know, you got Stephen A's number.
You could have just had that same combo in private.
Also, Stephen A told us, like, he's when somebody tells me in confidence something, I maintain that confidence.
He's like, that's how you build trust for the players.
Remember, he was on the pod saying that?
He's like, there's a bunch of things that people told me in confidence.
I don't let that go out there in the world.
If something happens publicly, I will address that.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, that was like an emotional.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A little misstep right there on Braun's part.
A little misstep on Braun's part.
I wonder if he has told him in private.
Ooh.
I wonder if he's like, hey, just chill with all that.
Yeah.
And then didn't chill.
Yeah, it's possible.
It's possible.
What you saying, Dev?
Look at Mark's Tucks for some breaking news.
Oh, what do we got?
Ukraine agrees to U.S.-led ceasefire plan if Russia accepts.
So, so real quick, just on this, this is something that I've been thinking about a little bit recently.
I'm not talking about like the fringe groups, like the fringe right or the fringe left, right?
Talking about like the average, just kind of like working American.
I think that we agree on like almost everything in not in terms of like what is a better functioning government or that kind of stuff.
In terms of like human to human basis, you're like, I don't want these people to suffer.
I want people to have an opportunity.
Some people think that that opportunity is better when things are privately run.
Some people think it's better when there's a little bit bigger government that can offer assistance.
But like on the human to human level, that what they want for each other is very similar.
So our reaction to this administration and the past administration is really based on optimism or pessimism.
So I treat this administration with optimism.
Like I see Trump's tariff stuff and all those other things.
And I'm like, okay, it's hard to litigate something geopolitically in the public eye, but maybe this is his version of getting a better rate by throwing these tariffs.
And then they come back and they go, okay, don't give us 100%.
Just do 10% and then we'll lower your tariffs that we impose on you.
Like, like, and I wonder he's negotiating.
Unfortunately, he has to negotiate in front of the world and he can't exactly tell America, yo, by the way, we would just, I'm not really going to do 100.
We're just trying to get them down because once he does that, he loses the leverage.
Right.
So I treat it with a little bit more optimism.
Whereas somebody who doesn't like Trump, but is still just like a reasonable person, he or she looks at it with pessimism.
They're like, he's going to tank the economy.
He's going to destroy this.
But it doesn't mean that we don't want the same thing.
We want an American, America that flourishes.
And we just get caught up in the tribal rhetoric.
But I really think that's, and then the same thing with like the Democrats.
There was a pessimism that we looked at the Biden administration with the people that were more sympathetic to what Trump was saying, right?
We're like, yeah, I don't think America will be as good if that happens.
I think that more people will suffer or at least not be able to move out of this very difficult situation they're in.
But in terms of what we want for each other, I think it's very similar.
Yeah.
I think we just get caught up in this, like, it feels so black and white.
It's really not.
It's like, yeah, we want things to be cheaper.
The Democrat people or Democrats are like, yeah, I think that the Democrats have a way of doing that.
I think it's going to be better for people.
And Republicans are like, yeah, I actually don't think that that's been working.
Let's try something different.
But the way that it's spoken about online is so good versus evil that I think we think that we're on opposing sides in terms of the end goal.
We're really not.
It's just like, for example, Charlamagne is more pessimistic about what Trump's administration is doing.
I'm more optimistic about it.
I'm sure if the Democrats were in power, he would be optimistic about what they're doing and their strategies.
I might be more pessimistic about it.
We both want the same thing.
We want better trade deals.
We want better things for America.
We don't want some shit that's fair.
Fuck fair.
We want to come out ahead.
I want a better deal with Canada, a better deal with Mexico, a better deal.
I want to win all that shit.
And it's kind of a, I feel like where I sit is like a dumb position sometimes because like I feel so jaded by political discourse that I just am like, wait and see.
Yeah.
Which I've said before, but like it's kind of a cop-out fence-sitting answer.
But at the same time, I'm like, is the ceasefire good?
It's like, all right, it's good.
But then all of a sudden, part of Ukraine gets absorbed and you're like, is that doesn't seem good?
And then the Soviet Union reorganized.
You're like, is that like, I don't, you know what I mean?
So it's like, until it actually affects me on like a personal basis or like the American society at large.
Yeah.
I kind of try to reserve judgment where I'm like, just wait and see.
And which isn't a good position necessarily from like a broadcasting standpoint.
You know what I mean?
Because people want to know what they want a feeling, they want opinion.
But I also think like sharing that sentiment is important because there's people that also feel that way.
There's a lot of people like that.
Because this shit really is a Rorschach test, right?
Like, and I'm exposing my bias.
I see that there's a ceasefire deal, right?
So, this is my bias right here.
I'm like, all right, Trump pulled the money after that meeting, and all of a sudden we got a ceasefire deal.
Right.
Now, that might not have been how it has gone at all.
Some other shit might have happened with European support.
And then somebody else backdoored with Putin and had a conversation, whatever.
But in my biased mind, I'm like, see, sometimes you got to play hardball, and then it ends up working out.
Let's see how these tariffs work out over here.
And which goes back to perception because I'm pretty sure Trump is going to frame it that way.
Of course.
And then his base will be like, see, I told you so.
And then his opposition will be like, this had nothing to do with you.
This was actually negotiated by Saudi Arabia and there's another deal or whatever the fuck.
But yeah, all the noise online is just like sports analysts.
Everybody wants to be first to the take and you need to have the more outrageous.
Salacious, outrageous take.
How are you going to get views?
Yeah.
Like you almost wish that there's a way that you could be like, how far does the pendulum need to swing before the most salacious thing is the most trustworthy thing?
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Like, I feel like...
Are we in those times?
Well, I don't know.
Like, every time I think we are, and then like you could say, wow conspiracy theories.
And it seems like all of Twitter is like, yep, that's fact.
That is 100%.
Like, I wonder when conspiracies are just so mainstream that there's like this thirst for, all right, just tell me the boring truth.
Oh, you mean when it swings back?
I thought you meant the okay.
Like, I feel like right now we're like at the top of the swing where conspiracy is everything.
Like I'm like, I can't wait till like some doctor comes on and goes, all right, we did all the tests.
This is the boring truth about vaccines.
This shit is boring, but this is what it is.
Yeah, but we like story.
We like a good story.
Conspiracy is a good story.
You're right.
No, but I wonder like the societal value in conspiracy is like you know some shit that nobody else knows.
But if it becomes so popular, right?
The new conspiracy will be the truth that thwarts the conspiracy.
Everybody knows the conspiracy.
Like I remember I first read that Dan Brown book.
Yeah, Da Vinci Code.
Da Vinci Code.
And I remember just being at parties in college, like, yeah, but this painting actually means this.
The Ninth Temple.
And it was just great.
It felt so cool to share that information.
Oh, this is you at the fucking museum.
You're like, oh, yeah.
Samoan women are bad for this reason.
But I wonder.
And then once that book became so popular, regurgitating that information was less, like there's less dopamine.
Yeah, because you'll tell people and they go, yeah.
Yeah, I read that book too.
CIA killed JFK.
Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then someone's going to be like, well, did you know?
It was actually a crazy guy named Lee Harvey Oswald.
Everyone's going to be like, no way.
That's crazy.
Right.
Like, I wonder if once conspiracy theories become so mainstream that you no longer get the dopamine hit from sharing that like secret information, that now the cool information to know is, yeah, I mean, 9-11, like this guy was on the job.
He had the information.
He decided to not look into it.
And he fucked up in order to cover his ass.
He had to blanket statement that this really happened.
And that's why it appears like it's this grand conspiracy, but it's really just incompetence at the highest level and somebody trying to cover up or whatever the fuck it is.
And then people go, what?
That's what really happened.
Like, I can't wait to society is so aware of every conspiracy that the boring truth is the hot shit.
I don't know.
I don't think we ever get to that.
I think I haven't.
I think what you just said is boring.
I know.
I know.
What happened to building number seven?
That's what I'm saying.
That's what we want to know.
And then even if the truth comes out, then people go, oh, well, we can't trust the authority of where the truth came from.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, you kind of see with like alien bubbles where people are like, oh, aliens are real.
Everyone's like, no, you're crazy.
And then everyone's like, no, aliens are definitely real.
And then eventually the government's going to be like, yeah, aliens are real.
And people will be like, this is a psyop.
This is trying to make like global control.
These aliens are fake.
And so aliens.
It's a really underwater type shit.
Yeah.
Like you go from, oh, aliens are real.
They're covering it up to then, oh, they're obviously flouting aliens to trick us.
So it's like, I think it just shifts form just due to the subversion of authority.
It's like, no.
Yeah, I don't know if it changes.
People need storytelling and they need.
a search for truth.
And there's always like these threads of truth that exist within all these conspiracies that people want to tie onto.
God damn.
Yeah, dog.
I just want to know the world isn't as bad as it feels.