Kamala Harris and Donald Trump clash in a debate where Harris strategically baits Trump into absurd claims about eating pets, while Taylor Swift's endorsement signals a major cultural shift. The hosts dissect Harris's subtle half-truths versus Trump's egregious lies, critique moderator bias, and explore the cynical reality of corporate influence. They further analyze Tucker Carlson's provocative WWII theories, debating whether challenging historical myths serves truth or merely fuels antagonism, ultimately questioning if national identity preservation justifies strict immigration borders against multiculturalism. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump's Decisive Victory00:14:24
Trump versus Kamala, the thrilly in Philly, Orange versus the new black, the felon and end of melanin.
This debate had it all.
Kamala shocked Trump up top by giving him a Central Park V and that's the first time in history a politician went limp in her hands.
Trump started out strong and Kamala seemed nervous.
She was sweating like Dave Grohl at a paternity test, but then everything changed.
Kamala baited Trump like a master.
She played Trump like a steel drum.
How did she do it?
She said people were walking out of his rallies.
Donnie melted.
I mean, if he was anymore unhinged, he'd be a door on a Boeing flight.
He was furious.
But with the election on the line, he composed himself and responded with a thoughtful counterpoint.
They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
They're eating the cats.
They're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there.
What?
You're saying the hungry, hungry Haitians are eating dogs and cats.
Donnie, that's absurd.
Caribbean men don't eat pussy.
Speaking of which, Taylor Swift posted this picture endorsing Kamala Harris.
Now, you'd think she was endorsing Trump the way that she's grabbing that kitty.
I mean, she's clutching that cat like she just saw a Haitian with chopsticks.
Okay, last Haitian joke.
Taylor's endorsement of a politician is massive and probably the biggest poll boost from teens since Doctor Disrespects DMs.
And that was basically it.
That's the whole debate.
No one really explained how they would achieve any of their goals.
Just continuous name calling ridiculous claims and partisan insults.
So the question is, where do we go from here?
The answer?
Nowhere.
Trump and Harris will continue to lie to get votes.
The media will continue to make money spinning the lies.
And we will all be anxious and filled with dread watching the spin.
I mean, just ask yourself, who do you think won?
Let me guess.
The candidate that you are already supporting?
Of course, because that's how it works.
That is the system.
The truth is subjective.
So I want to remind you right now, it is incredibly important that you go out there and vote.
Because remember, this election is the most important election of our lifetime.
Until the next one.
Okay, boys.
Uncle Donnie got absolutely dogwalked by Kamala.
And here's the thing.
I want to hear what everybody has to say about it.
But what is so hilarious and is also so disheartening and so proof that there is no truth anymore is that everybody saw with their own eyes.
Like if you're an objective viewer, you watched it and you're like, she did better than he did.
Maybe you really like him.
You like everything he's saying.
We all find him funny.
That's no longer taboo.
We all find him fascinating and interesting.
And I actually think that there is, I do believe there's part of them that really does want to help.
I genuinely do believe that.
I know, you don't have to, but I genuinely do believe it.
I think there's part of them that genuinely does want to help.
But he got worked.
He got absolutely worked.
He got worked.
But if you go online, the echo chambers exist.
He's touting it as a victory.
All of his supporters are like, oh my God, that was fucking amazing.
Trump is killing it.
The moderators were so biased, but he still killed it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I realize now that the reason truth doesn't exist anymore is because if you only operate within your narrative, that becomes your truth.
So there's a million different things.
You choose your own truth now.
You choose your own truth.
Truth doesn't exist.
You believe whatever you want.
All of his supporters are going to think he fucking won, even though they know they're fucking lying to themselves.
The Kamala supporters, the Kamala supporters are going to think they won, which they should.
Yeah, they should.
She did a better job.
She out, it's not only outclassed, she out-strategy that he's not.
Oh, it's like Art of Living.
It was Art of Louvre.
Let's get into that.
You guys go.
Go, Mala.
Okay, go.
Go.
I mean, literally, the biggest point is the fact that she was able to bait him so easily.
Yes.
Yeah.
The first 20 minutes, I'm watching, and I'm like, Trump is cooking.
Yo, this Trump's cooking.
This Trump is fire, polished, strong, polished, not emotionally volatile or reactive.
Oh, fire.
I'm watching.
She is nervous.
She got the hands going.
Once her hands come up, she doesn't know the next word.
She's just.
Yeah, we've all been here.
Right?
So she's looking a little bit flustered.
She started a little nervous.
And it was like, you know, this is the big stage.
This is your moment.
You win this.
The election is probably yours.
She's got everything to lose because she's coming in.
At least the perception is she's on top, but we don't know what the fuck truth is anyway.
I hit him with the handshake, which I thought was a smart point.
She went to his side.
Yep.
I'm invading your territory like you're in Ukraine.
Yeah.
And I liked his name.
Kamala.
Like, say my name right.
Yeah, she pronounced the fuck out of it.
And he goes, yeah, have fun.
Yeah.
Let's have some fun.
And she goes, operate in good faith or something like that.
Some gay shit.
I thought that was pussy.
But, okay.
He's cooking.
Okay.
Then what happens?
I want to make sure we all think it's the exact same moment.
1,000%.
Go to his rallies.
I'm going to invite you to go to his rallies.
He perked up.
He's like, what?
Okay.
This is what makes me great.
Why would she compliment me?
Did you notice people are leaving early?
You fucking switched all back.
You soon.
If you literally watch the transcript, it goes at like 37 minutes, she says, go to his rallies.
People are leaving.
And at 38 minutes, he goes, they're eating dogs.
They fucking explode.
Kamala eats dogs.
They all want to eat dogs.
He just didn't know what to do with them.
Oh, my God.
And I think it brought him back to, I think there is a situation with Trump, right?
Trump has always been famous.
He's always been successful.
And there's been this relationship with him where it's like, he's this famous, successful guy, but not fully taken seriously.
Yeah.
Like he's got all these buildings.
He has this show on TV that's amazing.
And you're like, wow, this guy's really entertaining, but he is kind of silly.
When he dances, it's kind of silly.
And I think there's a little part of him that feels laughed at.
And his protection against being laughed at is the success.
His justification for where he is is, I'm a billionaire.
He loves it to many billions.
So many billions.
He's like, look at the numbers.
You can say whatever you want about me.
Call me goofy.
Say I'm orange.
Say my hair is whatever.
But the numbers prove I'm a billionaire.
I'm successful.
And the people love me.
Look at the numbers from my show.
Look at the numbers from my rallies.
The only way to sell books is with my name.
And when she said, people are walking out of your rallies, even if it's not true.
Yeah.
Boom.
It tapped back into that young man in New York who wasn't really taken seriously by his contemporaries and was trying desperately to be this famous, successful guy, creating his own narratives, being his own publicist, calling companies saying billionaire Donald Trump.
Great insight.
And I think that imposter syndrome kicked in.
And it was, this is an 80-year-old man.
She pulled the Trump.
She pulled it.
She pulled the truck.
And it wasn't real.
Trump always takes personal shots at you and then gets you off your game.
And now you're trying to address those personal shots.
And now you're not talking about the actual issues.
And I know I know that there are like super Trumpers that are watching this right now and they're unable to accept the reality of what happened.
I just want to remind you all.
A month ago when Kamala was announced as the nominee, okay?
And all of a sudden the media and the people came out like she was the next coming of Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
And we all were like, this is so phony.
Yeah.
Nobody liked her for three and a half years.
Where is all this support?
This is absolutely bullshit.
Supporting Trump today and acting like that was a great performance is the exact same thing that the Democrats did with Kamala.
The exact same thing.
She did nothing for three and a half years, and they were like, She is a genius.
He did nothing last night.
No, he did less than nothing.
Yeah.
He got walked and out-strategized and out-manipulated.
Same echo chamber after Biden, the people who were just like, Biden didn't do that.
At least he told the truth.
Bullshit.
He got dogwalked by Trump.
Call it what it is because if you're not honest, no changes are going to happen.
He didn't get dogged.
He got put to sleep by Trump.
That dog couldn't walk.
Yeah, That was a much more decisive victory.
But still, this was clearly a victory for Kamla.
No, it's not even a question.
And what's, I read a Wall Street Journal like op-ed, the guy clearly wanted Trump to be, wants Trump to be president.
And he said it well.
He said Trump handed her the victory.
Anytime, dude, economic policy, he could have hammered her.
She didn't have one.
That's why I thought the line was funny because if you read her economic policy, it's four lines.
It's C-Spot Run.
Yeah.
Which is like a funny way of saying it's nothing.
There's nothing there.
But every time she just wouldn't answer and would bait him, and he would take the bait and make it about defensive.
He was, he was.
And I think throughout his life, throughout his career, he's had to defend his brand, defend who he is, because I think there maybe is a little imposter syndrome.
We all have fucking imposter syndrome.
It's crazy when you look at people who are billionaires and they have it.
It's crazy when you look at like superstars that have it.
You're like, how could you not believe in yourself?
Everybody's got a little bit.
That's part of what got them there.
Of course, it's that drive.
Yeah.
That insatiable lust.
I'm not good enough.
Yeah.
Now I'll be good enough.
Now I'll be good enough.
And what was amazing is, and we've never seen this, he was on defense the entire rest of the Democrat movement.
And he didn't have to be.
He could have just been like, hey, why aren't you doing all the policy stuff you're talking about right now?
There it is.
Like, do you support all of Biden's stuff?
Like, why did you support Biden for four years when he was completely at the very end?
But at that point, it's over.
Too late.
Too late.
She threw him over.
She was reactive.
That was his game plan.
It was supposed to be that whole time of just tying her to Biden.
This is more Biden.
He, once you got that audience crowd comment, he was off his game.
And what she did was so masterfully.
She points out that all the other leaders love him because he's so easily to be manipulated.
And then she just show it happen.
She showed it happened.
That's a good point.
Wait, break that one down.
So she basically said, other leaders love Donald Trump because he's so easily manipulated.
You can get this guy to do anything you want to.
And as she's saying that, she's proving it by goading him into any argument she wants, setting the debate on her terms.
You're watching it happen in real time, whatever she's accusing him of.
And she lied out the gate with that Project 2025 shit.
And the difference in how they both lied on each other and how the other person reacted was just crazy.
Like Trump never took it well when she lied about him.
When he lied about her, she clearly had practiced it.
She would just kind of smile, look down.
Like they, they worked on how she looks when he's talking, I'm sure, for hours.
Her debate prep was 10 times better.
Oh, unbelievable.
I mean, and she didn't come across as like goofy.
You know, she usually has this like goofiness to her, a silliness that is not representative of a person in that type of in that position of power.
Yeah.
I'll just be honest.
It just came across.
And that was like a big concern.
There's like an instability to her demeanor.
Like, I don't want you doing the cackle.
And I understand that this has been inflated, I'm sure, by the right, but I don't want you doing the cackle while you're negotiating with Xi Ji Ping.
You know what I mean?
Like, I want you to show strength.
And I saw a lot of strength.
Yeah.
One thing that is kind of some gender shit is she's going to always have to worry about getting emotional.
Like, because you're going to be like, man, I want this hysterical bitch in office.
We can't have a woman.
There's going to be people on some level thinking that.
So I'm saying she has to be very measured.
And the strength can't be too aggressive.
Like, everything has to be measured.
And I thought she really did that well.
This is how you know that it was a decisive victory.
And I have no proof to back this up at all.
But you know it.
But I know it in my heart.
Yeah.
I think Taylor Swift is liberal.
Yeah.
She immediately posts her support for Kamala, right?
I don't know at what point in time in the debate, maybe it was right after the debate, but she posted it that night.
But after it's known that there's a decisive victory.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And when Taylor, the most powerful woman in music, one of the most powerful people in the world culturally, when she puts all of her weight behind one of the nominees, that is a, that's not like a flippant decision.
No, Yeah.
She knows exactly what the fuck she's doing.
And I think she waited to the point where she was putting her money behind the winning horse.
Yeah.
If this debate goes better for Trump, I think she stays so far.
She stays quiet.
Absolutely.
I don't think she matches a single word.
She's not here to do recovery work for Kamala.
She's here to jump on at the end of the war when you're about to win and then take the credit.
Because it can hurt her fan base too.
Please believe if you got every woman in the world, there's going to be some conservatives in that fan base.
1,000%.
So she knows she's going to take a hit.
So she has to do it at the point where it's so decisive that even the Trump women that come to her shows are like, yeah, he did kind of get cooked right there.
He doesn't look that good.
She looks strong.
Beyonce can be an outfront liberal because most of her fans are black women and black women tend to be liberal.
So me being outfront liberal just feeds them what they want.
Taylor.
She got to meddle around a little bit.
She got to be a little more neutral.
Yeah, yeah.
Taylor, I got this whole cross-section of middle America.
They have different beliefs, a lot of undecided people.
I have to pick the moment or shut the fuck up.
I got to be very strategic in how I do this.
And she, again, she did at the right time.
How'd you guys feel about the fact-checking of the moderators?
I do think they are biased against Trump.
I do.
No, so here's my thing.
I don't know enough.
I don't know enough.
But was Trump just saying more outlandish shit?
I was wondering.
So they were both lying, but Trump's lies were so crazy.
Egregious that they're fact-checking it.
Now, would Kamala lie with truths?
Kind of.
I forget exactly what it was.
I need to look it up.
But I think that's the fracking thing.
So I'm pretty sure she said, like, oh, yeah, we're going to ban fracking in this one specific place.
And then when Trump called her on, she's like, I never said that.
I'm not doing it.
Strategic Messaging Shifts00:14:43
And I'm pretty sure that was like just a blatant lie, but it's so subtle and nuanced that no one's going to even look into it.
So everybody, so everybody's going, the ABC moderators were so biased and they were correcting Trump on everything.
But if you say super egregious lies, they're very easy to push back against.
If you say half-truth lies, like it looked like the way politicians lie.
Where it has enough truth where it's like, well, technically some of those jobs came from this.
It's like, all right, am I going to stop the debate to check her on something that could technically fit under the umbrella of truth, but she might be misleading in the way that she says it.
So I thought it was kind of unfair when you saw all the Trump supporters going, oh, it's so biased.
And look at the moderators only correcting one side.
I think you have to hold Trump a little bit more accountable.
Be better with your lies.
Here's what a thought also crossed my mind.
Viscerally, I did feel like, I felt like it was biased, but then one thought crossed my mind.
Maybe they don't correct when one politician lies about the other politician.
Like if Kamala says Trump supports Project 2025, it's not moderator might be like, it's not my job.
That's Trump's job.
So he's like, no, I don't support Trump Project.
But if you're trying to give him a minute to respond.
If Trump goes, people in the Midwest are eating cats.
It's like, well, I got to, the Midwest can't speak for itself here.
That's a great point.
Lie on the person in front of you.
They can respond.
I'm going to give them a minute.
Yeah, Kamala's lies mainly seem to be about Trump.
And Trump's lies just like, again, the nine-month ban thing.
Or the nine-month banana.
Yeah, the abort board thing.
Like, yeah, they're killing babies after they're born.
That's not an abortion.
Also, that was another thing that he did.
He would get so, he was so like emotionally out of control that even when he had her on something, he would just keep spouting off, and then they'd move on.
Like, with the abortion thing, he's like, did you say or do you support seven, eight, even in the ninth month?
Yeah.
He could have stopped right there and forced her to say yes.
I wanted to know her answer.
I really actually wanted to know.
And they're probably going to do it even afterwards, like that person in Virginia.
And then the moderator goes, okay.
And now next question.
Force her to answer the question.
She was ready to lower rates and shit like that.
I did see her say that's not true in that moment, but I would love.
When he was asking, I was like, I want to hear her address this.
But she was ready to fight back because during that, she was like, oh, well, why don't you answer the question?
Would you veto a federal abortion bid?
So it's like, she was ready.
She was ready.
No, she had an answer.
He didn't even let her give her pretty exactly.
With these debates, you got to let them sink their own shift sometimes.
And I think what Trump had done really effectively in debates in the past, especially when there's nine people on stage and you have the audience, because the audience does play a part.
I was watching it at the comedy cellar, right?
Upstairs.
There's a bunch of people watching.
And when he would do his little quips, it would get laughs.
That is rattling to an opponent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?
So if Kamala is hearing a thousand people in an auditorium laughing at what he's saying, all of a sudden, Trump is starting to get more energy.
He's starting to feel and also, you know what?
He's not going to be as emotionally volatile because he feels the confidence.
That imposter syndrome is going away.
The worst thing that I think, the worst thing for Trump in this debate was not having an audience because he constantly needs the feedback to let him know.
And I get this as a comedian.
Hey, you're funny.
You're good.
People like you.
When he's just spouting off, he's seeking it, but it's not there.
Any comic will tell you the first laugh frees you up so much.
You want to get that first laugh as quickly as possible.
I remember him always saying that he was, he figured out comedy very quickly.
He was like, that first laugh, you need that quickly.
Because then you just go, we're having fun.
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Every debate with an audience, he does well.
And think about how he does well even at his rallies.
He has an audience.
That's why he loves the rallies.
I'm getting the feedback.
I'm getting the clearance.
You're not always needing that.
Yeah, we're silencing the imposter syndrome.
You're great.
You're funny.
People love you.
When you're talking to one woman who you know hates you and then two moderators that you're unsure about their biases about politics about who they want for president, he probably just feels under attack.
And when you feel under attack, you need to defend.
We don't need him defending.
Right?
Yeah.
I also want to point out.
But also, that's his fault.
He needs to be more prepared.
Yeah.
We're not like making excuses here.
You need this is the job and you need to prepare for the job.
And then even to the preparation thing, like, do you have a plan?
I have a concept.
Concept of a plan.
That's the same thing I didn't like about Kamala.
She seemed to have no plan.
So for Trump to not have a plan, I was very deflated by that of like, well, what the fuck, man?
It's cool to have a plan.
Don't say it.
Yeah, I know.
Be like, I have a plan that will be released once I'm elected.
Pivoted and didn't acknowledge it.
She didn't have a plan.
What?
Yeah, she never addressed that.
I don't really have one.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, I don't think Kamala said that many great things.
She just didn't say any bad things.
She was very polished.
She was a politician.
No, she had some good shots.
She had some good.
But when she said 81 million people fired Jonathan Trump, that was a lot of fun.
Oh, that hurt him, dog.
That hurt him so.
I heard his shot.
No, no, she had bars.
He's saying she didn't have substance.
100%.
Yeah, yeah.
100%.
She was saying some wrong things.
He also has some funny bars.
No, the C-Spot run shit was good.
That shit got fun.
That was good.
I'm talking.
Wake him up at 4 p.m.
Wake him up at 4 p.m. was for, I didn't think I'm talking like that.
That didn't hit.
In the comedy seller, that shit got a huge laugh.
Oh, really?
Because she said that, I think, in a bunch of her.
He's mocking her.
But because the mics are off, it didn't.
Yeah, I didn't hear her talking.
Yeah, I didn't hear her talking.
It sounded like he just said it.
That's interesting.
We heard her.
I don't know.
And it is unlikable when she says it.
And when I didn't hear her, I was like, why are you just go on, dude?
I felt like he said it because he was annoyed and then tried to cover.
That was my read of it.
Yeah.
We have a president who doesn't know he's alive.
Yeah, just for a good day.
It's so good.
Great.
Great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there's what I will say is this.
All the people that had this instant enthusiasm for Kamala a few weeks ago based on absolutely nothing.
Yeah.
After this debate, they're going, because now they get to look like they were right the whole time, even though they had no fucking clue this was going to go well.
Right?
Yeah.
I've been wrong the past two elections, but my thought was the election hinges on this debate.
Because if you're undecided, you're probably like, I want to vote for this girl.
I just don't know anything about her.
I don't like her.
I don't know if she's presidential.
And I felt like even though she didn't give us real substance, she looked presidential.
Yeah.
And I think the problem with supporting Trump's performance is that if you're not going to be honest with him as one of his supporters, if you're not going to be honest with him about this performance, why would he do anything different in the next debate?
And if he doesn't do anything different in the next debate, he'll continue to dig himself a hole.
He's going to dig himself out of a hole in this next.
There's going to be another debate, right?
They asked.
Trump's team hasn't agreed to it yet.
I think they should, to be honest.
Oh, they need it.
I think, yeah, I think they should.
It wasn't the other way around.
No, no, no.
No, Kamala immediately said.
Okay, there was something on the 25th that was supposed to happen, but let's see.
Because she knew she won.
So the smart move is be like, we want a second election.
And his handlers are going to be like, or a second debate.
And his handler is going to be like, whoa, we don't want a second debate.
But a second debate where he's prepped.
Because her policies, she has no policies.
The past four years, nobody's really happy with.
What policies?
Like, she has some policies.
What are they?
I don't know.
They're all of them, but they're on her website.
And she did.
She did not have them on her website for weeks.
And that, as somebody who's like, I don't have like a real horse in either one of you in this race.
I'm cool with whatever.
I'm looking at her website being like, give me something.
And it wasn't there for weeks.
And it's like, buddy, this is the bare fucking minimums.
Give me some policies.
Here's the reality.
One that really resonated amongst people.
I was watching at a bar, and it was actually a mixed crowd.
There was some conservatives there as well.
The $15,000, I think, technically.
$50,000 startup.
$15,000 for $6,000.
For a child, $6,000.
Yes, sorry.
That one resonated amongst everyone.
Like, even conservatives, like, yeah, that's good.
Like, so that one hit.
Give people money.
They both have policies on their website.
No, but Kamala Kamla just added them fairly.
But at least she said it when asked.
Here's reality.
He really didn't say anything.
Kamala's not going to do anything novel, right?
She's not going to do anything unique.
If Kamala wins, it's going to be more of the same.
This is the system that America has developed.
And this sounds very cynical, but where you basically put two candidates up that both are in bed with the most powerful corporations of the country.
And those corporations make sure that they're still going to be able to suck off the teeth of the government, which is essentially off the teeth of the American people.
And both candidates will ensure that.
Trump is the wrinkle in this.
He's the person where he's like, these corporations go, I don't know if I'll be able to suck off that teeth.
I might be able to.
And Trump might be looking at them like, no, you'll be able to.
Please give me the opportunity.
Or he might go, fuck them.
I don't like these corporations.
So, but if you get Kamala in there, it's not going to be some crazy, you know, watershed moment for America.
It's going to continue.
Whatever's happening now will continue.
If your life is pretty good now, that seems like a good vote for you.
If you're likely to mean something, pardon?
It will optically mean something.
Sure, optically.
But like, yeah, and actually that is important.
Like, I think that was the Obama thing, too, which is like, I think that was very important for people culturally outside of the fact that it was just more the same politically.
Yeah.
Right.
But culturally, that was a big moment.
Maybe women are like, hey, we want a woman out here.
I don't know.
I think it's only the media that makes it seem like, oh, if one side wins, it's going to be the end of this country.
Yeah, but both sides.
I think all people understand like, hey, things aren't going to change that much.
Well, Trump also said that.
He's like, they're destroying the country.
Oh, yeah, yeah, both sides.
Yeah, both sides do.
Because Kamala's like, 2025, he's going to march.
He's like, this is the end of the country.
Also, that's another thing that we should talk about with the Trump rhetoric.
It's like, it's getting really exhausting.
Like, the country's going to be done in two years.
It's over.
They're destroying it.
It's like, there's only so much of that that you can take as an American before you start going, yo.
Fuck you.
Yo, watch your mouth.
You're still talking about my fucking country, man.
That was the internal comment specifically.
Nobody cares.
Don't make sense.
Nobody says.
Nobody cares.
Don't distract.
No, he's saying America is done.
America is over.
This country's going to shit.
And it's just like, it's like when people are talking shit about New York.
Remember during the pandemic?
It's like, oh, there's robberies everywhere.
I was like, yeah, oh, there's a migrant crisis.
It's like, okay.
And then after like a few weeks of that, I was like, yo, mind your fucking business.
Don't you worry about your fucking city.
That's what you're fucking city.
You got migrants in your fucking city.
Handle that.
Yeah, why are you here then?
Yeah, exactly.
Go home.
You know what I'm saying?
You're talking shit about New York.
You're not even living here.
Why do you care?
Why does this bother you?
So it's like, Trump needs a new thing.
It can't be this disaster talk where every single day, America's going to fall apart.
It's going to be like, bro, we heard it.
We're here.
What's funny is that's what the Democrats tried to do to him in 2016 and failed.
Yeah.
We know that's a losing strategy.
Instead of inspiring people to vote for you, being like, you can't vote for that person.
Yeah.
Bro, people don't work.
Both won in 2020, though.
Well, I think we were in a pandemic and just being like, look at what the fuck is going on.
This guy caused it.
You see what I'm saying?
We want hope.
We want positivity.
You don't need to tell us the country sucks and the migrants are coming and destroying everything.
Just tell us how you're going to fix it.
Tell us how you're going to make it great again.
That was a good strategy.
Tell us why it's going to be so good.
Tell us why the economy is going to be.
I know he mentions it, but we don't need all the disaster talk.
Okay.
You could go in here and go, listen, I don't care how bad these people have made the country because I know once we get in here, we're bringing it back and we're bringing it back better than ever.
Give me positivity.
Give me hope.
Yeah.
Like the fear-mongering, it's just exhausting.
It's every YouTube title.
It's every tweet.
It's every Instagram post.
We're exhausted.
We're desensitized to it.
And we're starting to resent it.
At least I do.
Like the way that he frames how he's going to improve things.
It's like it's so hyperbolic that it's like, it's not real.
Like, you're not going to cut down energy costs by half.
Like, how the fuck are you going to do it?
He just says these.
I will say that does that worked for him in 2016.
He just said, I'm building the wall.
All these claims worked.
But I think, again, even just saying, I'm going to do these things.
That's positive.
That was the one thing Cono said.
I'm going to get this tax credit.
I don't know if you're going to get it passed, but the whole bar was like, let's go.
I'm going to give this to you.
He don't do that now.
He's just doing the, this is the worst.
America's done in two years.
Israel won't exist in two years.
Like all these crazy things.
It's just like, but he's talking, the wheel's going to keep on spinning.
Hit that fucking Khaleesi.
I'll break the wheel.
Now you might get my vote.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But just we need some more positive.
He just needs a different gear.
Yeah.
Invasive Duck Species00:06:30
It's like the eating cats and dogs thing was a good angle.
I liked it.
Apparently, there are cats getting eaten in Ohio.
Really?
Did you see this video?
No, tell me.
This is hilarious.
I think it was an American black woman, right?
I mean, don't spoil it, dude.
You're fucking ruining the conspiracy.
This is video footage in Ohio.
Okay.
This is the story that a lot of people have posted since this, which I actually have a theory about.
What did you do?
Was you killed a cat?
Smile for me.
Smile as you go like this.
Did you eat that cat?
Did you eat it?
No, why'd you kill it?
Did you guys see all this?
No, we pulled up and she was just laying there with me.
Did you see her eating it?
She was eating it?
Yeah, she was.
You call the Humane Society to see if they'll come pick those cat up.
It's diseased.
Did you eat that cat?
No.
Mouth full of blood and fur.
Wait, was it?
No.
So basically, this woman is not an immigrant the way the Trump claimed.
Also, this is not in Springfield.
This is like three hours away.
Got it.
And so I think this is just like a regular crackhead psycho that just like can I just ask a question.
All right, let's have some fun.
Please, please.
Oh, let's have some fun.
Why don't more people eat geese and stuff?
I always think that.
Like every time I order like duck at a restaurant and I also like go see ducks in like a pond.
Like I took Shiloh to go see ducks.
Yeah.
And like I'm looking at all these ducks and I'm just like, I could just, I could just take one of these fucking ducks.
Yeah, there's just free food in the lake.
There's food everywhere.
Yeah.
I'm like actually baffled it doesn't happen more.
Yeah.
That's true.
No.
What's the species of duck that's peaking?
Peking is a is a way of no, no, no, I know, but I mean, what species do they use to make that that one?
The ones in the in the in the ducks, though.
Do you really know?
How many ducks are ducks?
How many ducks are you?
There's a lot of different ducks, bro.
Dude, I was right is a mandarin duck.
I mean, that's convenient.
Yeah, that's what I said, being racist.
And turns out I fucking nailed it.
Okay, but in all seriousness, I feel like you guys.
They're really pretty.
I don't know.
I'm not getting any reaction out of you guys.
Say it differently like I okay.
Like, and if the reaction can be negative or positive, but I feel like there's no reaction.
What I'm asking is, we buy food at the supermarket or restaurants.
We buy duck, right?
We buy it.
Right.
And there's ducks at the ponds, right?
But we don't just take those.
Let me ask you like that.
Because I'm just not getting any reaction out of you guys.
I thought he meant like we weren't bringing it on the political level, like he was criticizing.
And I was like, what's happening?
And then he's like, Mike, insane theory.
You're not responding.
Is that insane?
I guess I didn't.
Ducks aren't.
I thought it wasn't insane enough.
No, no.
It makes sense, to be honest with you.
But I also don't know if you can just be in the park killing.
Let me phrase it like this.
Let me phrase it like this, right?
You live in like nature, right?
And there's an apple tree right there.
Yeah.
Right?
There's also apples at the grocery store.
Yeah.
Now, me, knowing me, I would go to the apple tree and I would pluck an apple out of the apple tree and then I would make my apple with honey or whatever.
None of that is true.
You don't need any of that.
You wouldn't do any of that.
You would have Uber Eats get you the apple.
Totally honest with you.
We got two apple trees on the property in the Hamptons.
I haven't eaten one of them apples the whole summer.
But you shouldn't have done it.
But I have eaten the tomatoes from the garden.
But you used apples.
You didn't eat the fucking apples.
Yeah, that's probably a bad pick.
Any of them.
That was a bad surgeon.
No, no, we picked them.
We picked them.
My wife picked him.
My wife picked them.
You did.
Go pick me some tomatoes.
That's fine.
So that's the same as sending her to the supermarket, pretty much.
Okay.
Okay.
My point is.
I think it's because they're in parks and you can't just be in parks killing these animals.
They're probably protected species.
Okay, so that's what we're protected.
Like Central Park isn't like actual force.
I feel like it's an invasive species.
Well, the shit is invasive.
No, they're protected.
Yeah.
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
He's up, dude.
It's a federal law that protects birds and their habitats.
So we all found this out right now.
This is not a good idea.
We know ducks walking around Chinatown.
Oh, I mean, there's nothing walking around.
Exactly.
There's nothing walking around Chinatown.
Nothing.
Let me tell you a story.
Let me tell you something.
This is the dog.
Rat tree?
Can I just say this?
This is my story about invasive species.
The Chinese are hearing all this stuff about the Haitians and they are saying, do not say a word.
Let them get this smoke.
Let them focus on them voodoo, motherfuckers, because if they even look over here, it is a problem.
Yeah, I don't think that painting duck is a species of duck.
I think that shit is a cat, to be honest.
No, it could be a cat.
It could be a cat.
There's a lot of things that could be.
My point is, my point is, is that I do find it peculiar that we are judging these people for just taking the food in the pond.
Like, why is some food allowed to just be in the pond and then other food not?
That's a good point.
There's a whole subculture of people eating roadkill.
You ever heard of this?
Yeah.
Mark, that's fucking disgusting.
Wait, what?
That's a dead animal.
It's a carcass on the side of the road run over by a Jeep Wrangler.
No, it's basically like there's people, you call them, you're like, hey, I just saw a deer.
It just got hit two minutes ago.
He'll pull up in three minutes, pick up the deer while it's still breathing, cut the neck, take it home.
Okay, that's a different thing.
You'll be on the phone with RFK.
Exactly.
I'll be right there.
I'm just saying, this guy right here, right?
He has a satchel.
You know, he's going to work.
He's going to work.
Our neighbor from Miami.
What were those big birds that were walking around?
Let me tell you something.
How do we know he's not trying to save the bird?
Can I tell you something now?
I'll tell you for a fact.
No one was injured.
And I'll tell you how I know.
Because when we lived in Miami, we lived in a neighborhood where people were eating all the animals in the fucking neighborhood.
There's no question.
We went to a cookout and they service.
It's not even a...
There's not even a question in my mind because you would hear the birds going, cook!
And it would happen regularly.
Primal Eating Instincts00:05:41
People were eating, but I didn't judge them.
That's how you knew it's food.
That was our rooster.
You would hear the guns.
It's absolutely food.
But they're not protected in Miami probably like they're protecting.
But Kier, can I just say one thing?
Yeah.
We never knew about the protection.
Yeah.
We never knew about protection.
Okay.
I don't know about animal protection.
I just knew you don't eat the ducks.
But nobody told me there was an animal protection act or a duck flying act or whatever the hell these things are.
I didn't know.
I just knew if you let me see animals, I'm probably not supposed to eat them.
I knew that.
Yeah.
Right?
That's just something I innately knew.
I think it is possible that there are certain species of human being that do not have that primal instinct.
Yeah.
They have a primal instinct where if you see food, find your skeeper.
That I think is the real primal instinct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't have the primal instinct.
Yeah, I have this like human instinct.
Human.
It's been like my primal instincts have been neutered.
I've been cucked by the government.
They dangle food out in front of us.
They go, oh, look at inflation.
Inflation is 100%, but you can't have a bunch of people.
That's a perfectly good dog right there.
That's a perfectly good dog.
There's a whole park of dogs.
I could go to a dog park with a fork if I wanted to.
But no, the government keeps you done.
Put the fluoride in your water, and now you don't even know you can eat the dog.
I don't even know I can eat it.
So this is something that we need to discuss.
And I think there should be a little less judgment.
You know how, like, when the Muslim immigrants in Europe come and you got to teach them not to rape women.
Jesus.
You got to teach them.
You got to.
You got to take them to school and be like, hey, you can't rape women, please.
And they're like, but look, you can see their forearm.
Right?
And then, yeah, but you can't do it.
And they're okay.
I want to, but I want to sleep.
But you can't.
You're not allowed.
These are pure German women.
What do I do instead?
You got to get a job.
You can stack the meat and then shave it or whatever you guys do.
You got to do something, but you can't the women here.
Can I trick kids with ice cream and make them think they're eating?
We love that game.
We love that.
That is a really fun game.
The cone inside the cone, and then you switch it.
I mean, obviously, we're mixed in Middle Eastern countries.
You know, I don't think the Turkish have that problem, but still, we like that game.
That's good for you.
But the women, what is that?
What is that?
Good.
No.
We got to try it again.
Women is the thing to do.
No.
No.
Sorry.
Sorry.
No.
Sorry.
Bad.
Sorry.
Okay.
My bad.
Okay.
You should take a few lessons.
Nine means night.
Okay.
Years old?
No.
God.
No matter what your book says, you cannot do it.
No matter what this book says, you cannot do it.
Okay?
Not here.
Not in Germany.
Okay, so they did that.
They went through that process where they slowly indoctrinated them with this idea that you cannot rape women.
To a street nightclub.
Mark.
Dude, that's one of those BDSM clubs.
No.
Okay.
No, yeah, because you can't go to the nightclub because they got alcohol.
So you got to find another place to do it.
You got to do it somewhere else.
They always get you.
Okay.
That process, that didn't happen overnight, teaching Muslim immigrants how to not white women in Europe.
That doesn't happen.
You think that happens in 24 hours?
That takes weeks of training and schooling and propaganda.
Okay?
Hell yeah.
You think that immigrants coming here are going to see a perfectly good mallard?
It's true, dude.
They come from places where there's not a lot of food.
That's why they're here.
Yeah.
And yeah, we just got food protected.
That's crazy.
It is actually on some levels insulting.
It's immoral.
It's insulting.
They're coming here.
They're starving.
They've got their bags.
The streets paved with gold and food, bro.
That's the gold they're talking about.
But they're like, don't touch.
Yeah.
That's grass.
We're not going to grow anything on it.
Animals.
They can't eat.
Crazy.
I'm insulted.
Really makes me understand how the Muslims are feeling.
That makes sense to me.
I'm missing it.
There's food out on the streets and I can't.
Got it.
Okay, got it.
Now I get it.
I get it.
Okay.
So that's all I'm saying.
So we got to teach everybody.
Exactly.
That's on us.
There needs to be a government program.
That is on us.
Yo, our bad.
Our bad.
Yeah.
We should have been more forthcoming with that information.
If we're going to invite cultures here, we have to understand what's normal where they're from.
Okay.
Your boy barbecue, Mark.
Yeah, Sappas.
Sappas.
Barbecue.
Maybe the current leader of Haiti.
We don't know.
Eats human beings.
Yeah.
You think he's going to bat an eye at a goose on the street?
They came to America being like, yo, we're going to really tone it down.
We're not going to eat dogs and ducks.
Yeah, if I see an easy-to-catch goose, I'm going to catch it and I'm going to take it off.
You're not going to eat a human here, though.
Not here.
Can't do that.
It's crazy.
We're in America.
Maybe that's what Trump was saying.
Maybe that was his policy.
They're eating cats and dogs.
I'm going to put a stop to it.
I'm going to teach them.
We're going to indoctrinate them.
Maybe that's what he was trying to say.
But the fucking moderator.
The biased moderators cut him off.
See spa run.
He was running from a Haitian.
That is actually true.
That's what the book's about.
But that is insulting of us, right?
To not recognize another culture.
Just assume that they're going to be fluent in hours.
I think that we have to stop doing this.
Let's teach them, okay?
Yeah.
Dogs.
Yes.
Can you eat them?
No.
Cats.
No.
You cannot eat cats.
Why?
Not enough meat.
Okay.
Morgan's Controversial Claims00:03:49
So it's more of a nutritional thing.
It's more of a nutritional thing.
There's just not enough meat.
Rabbits.
Yes.
Okay.
Well, that's a pet also.
Also, not much meat on a rabbit.
Yeah, but you can eat it.
That's what you can eat it at a restaurant.
That's a French, that's a Haitian delicacy.
Yeah.
Rabbits are totally fine.
Keep going.
Guinea pigs, yeah.
But rabbits are a pet.
So, like, how if you come over to America, you're fobbing it up.
Yeah.
And you see a rabbit in a cage.
Horses are pets.
Doesn't that mean you can't do it?
Wild rabbit is fair game.
So what are you allowed to eat?
Wild rabbit may be fair game.
So if it's a rabbit with a name, you can't eat it.
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Absurd Gambling Scams00:15:21
What about a fish?
Fuck yeah, what if it's in a tank?
That's too that's too little.
There's nothing there.
You can eat a fish in a tank if you want to.
You might get kicked out of the dentist's office, but you can just give it a rib if you want.
I mean, I think you can eat fish.
Like, I think if you buy a fish, you can do whatever you want with it.
If you want to eat it, if you want to do that prank where you swallow it and throw it back up and it's still alive, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think you can do whatever you want with a fish.
All right, fair enough.
That is a good question because if you buy a dog and you eat it, that's illegal.
But if you buy a fish and you eat that, that's a magic drink.
Yeah, yeah, you can do whatever you want with fish.
I think we feel very comfortable in the United States of America with that.
Now, there are certain fish that aren't a certain size, right?
They have these like size and weight limitations with fish.
You can't keep them and eat them if they're not big enough.
Oh, yeah, you gotta throw them back.
You gotta throw them back.
That's a good point.
So, that's where you have to spit it back up.
That's what you're gonna do.
That's throwing it back.
Yeah, literally.
Exactly.
All right, what about turtle?
Can you do the turtle?
Yeah, sure.
All right.
I mean, that seems kind of, I think age matters with a turtle.
Yeah, if it's like a 200-year-old tortoise, that's fucking delicious.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's vintage.
That's a vintage tortoise.
Why are we making a big deal of this?
Like, I genuinely am kind of like eating someone's pet is crazy because it's someone else owns it and that's stealing.
It's almost like taking someone's bite.
It's more theft.
Yeah, to be honest, if he didn't say and dogs, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
I believe that.
Yeah.
I believe that.
Yeah.
I do believe that.
They're eating cats.
Good riddance.
But it's other people.
It's the iguanas of New York City.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's another Haitian person that was like, yo, I was going to eat that and then they stole my cat.
So I'm pissed off.
That is one of those tricky situations where it's like the mafia can't call the police to help.
You know, they want to, but it's like you're also doing something illegal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's theft.
You can't steal someone else's food or yeah, you just stole someone else's shit.
That's where it's fucked up.
But I believe eating a duck that you find in a pond, I'm okay with that.
Now, I understand it's wrong and it's not proper etiquette, but I don't think it should be that much judgment.
I think that people, people feel it adds to like the aesthetic of the park.
That's that's what you're fucking with.
But you just need to tell them that once.
Squirrels fuck up the aesthetic of a park.
I like a squirrel.
I'm not a squirrel.
It's kind of cute.
But also, what's the dog in New York?
Well, we got to cull the population a little bit, I think.
It's too many.
I like the squirrels.
We like the squirrels.
I think the Hawks been thinking.
What little creatures are so sweet?
They introduce them to Central Park.
They throw them in there, baby.
I know.
Fucking run around.
I know.
They're cute.
Possibly we can kill.
Possibly can listen.
Here's the reality.
I think we've stretched this bit out as far as it can go.
So I think we can move on, but we have to find another thing to move on to.
Is there any more reflection?
What does Trump do from here?
Oh, I have a question.
Yes.
Where did you guys watch it all at?
I think that's a very interesting thing.
I watched that myself.
It's almost a Super Bowl thing.
I was at a watch party at a bar.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
It felt like Hillary Trump.
Like, it's big.
Like, people were excited.
Bro, how pathetic are other countries, man?
Where, like, do they even have this?
Do they even have debates?
Like, no one even fucking knows shit about other countries.
Yeah.
Like, other countries are watching our presidential debate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys suck.
I was in Europe and every cab or person I talked to was like, so who do you think is going to win?
Like, it was.
It's fire.
We got you locked and loaded.
Put some respect on for that.
We just started doing that.
You meet a Ukrainian, be like, so who you got?
Who you think is going to win?
Yeah.
Yeah, we got to start checking these motherfuckers.
Oh, we know your shit.
Just ask who you think is going to win to any country.
Yeah.
Who do you think is going to win your election?
The problem is, we don't even know what they have.
We don't have prime minister, presidents, high-rank, dictator.
We have no clue what's going on.
And they act like that's our fault.
No, you're not popping enough.
Thank you.
I don't got to know the underground artists.
You know what I mean?
I'm not doing this.
Bro.
And it's not like it matters.
We're going to pick them anyway.
It's not like it matters.
We're going to pick them anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
But this idea that we're dumb because we don't know about their shit is just so arrogant.
It's arrogant.
It's really arrogant.
You know what I mean?
Like, some people hit me up and like, yo, I can't see the thicket.
It's not in theaters where I live.
And that's my fault.
That's our fault for not making the movie bigger.
It's not their fault.
They live in a shit place.
You need to have big, big movies to be at this shit place theater.
That is true.
Okay, that's not their fault.
I do get annoyed at that.
They live in a shit place.
Bro, some places are shit.
They are shit.
And I don't want to be one of these.
I don't want to do what Trump is doing.
It's all falling apart.
But some places, man.
Some places have been fell apart.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, yeah, people should be allowed to petition to become America.
I think that should be fine.
What do you mean?
Like a different country.
Like if Madagascar was like, hey, we want to be a part of America.
They should be allowed to apply and then we can accept them.
I've let Madagascar in off of that movie alone.
Yeah, exactly.
And you become like a territory and then you just, we're cool with y'all.
And I'm like, we'll back you up.
What type of responsibility do we have?
Yeah.
We get the resources.
Yeah.
Like Alaska.
I think like Puerto Rico kind of like we have Guam and I don't know if I fuck with Guam.
Yeah, yeah, right.
But we need that to keep an eye on us.
I wasn't going to say that.
I disagree again.
No, we do.
No, Miles are jumping on that one.
I was emphatically agreed with you.
No, we do.
We need to be close, right?
We're going to see what's going on over there.
It's easy.
Small population, but good advantage for us.
Good advantage right there.
You know, Hawaii, too.
We can't let them set up shop halfway across the Pacific.
Yeah, yeah.
Hawaii.
Yeah, Hawaii.
We got Guam.
We probably got some other shit over there too.
To do what?
To keep an eye on them.
Who's them?
You know who they fucking are.
The Reds.
We need to keep an eye on the Reds.
Yeah.
Semiconductor.
See what they're doing.
Because they're up to some shit.
Also, Kamala, they should have corrected her on this on the he sold chips to China.
And Trump corrected it.
It was Taiwan that sold the chips.
But maybe he gave the permission for Taiwan to do it.
I'm not exactly sure.
It wasn't an American company making the chips in Taiwan.
I don't believe so.
Company in Taiwan that makes Taiwan semiconductor.
Yeah, that's that's Taiwan.
Oh, okay.
But I guess we have some sort of jurisdiction over their exports, I would imagine, when it comes to China because we're protecting them from China.
Yeah.
Like we're the last barrier of entry for China just not demolishing them.
So I wonder if that's that was her like half-truth.
And like there's a perfect example of like a half-truth.
Like, yeah, they sold it, but you could have vetoed the sale.
Yeah, but also that's Trump to Trump could have defended that himself.
That's about Trump did this.
He could have.
So like the moderator might pull that.
One thing I thought the moderator, I don't know if this is true, but Trump corrected the moderator at one point when the moderator corrected him and said, actually, violent crime is down.
According to FBI data, he said they excluded the biggest cities and that.
So that was why I was like, oh, that's weird.
If that's true, why would they interrupt him with that?
Is that true?
Because I know it's down in New York and I believe it's down in LA.
I think it's up on the animal kingdom.
Do we look into that?
But you are right.
I was violent class crime in the animal kingdom.
What about birds and fowls?
Yeah, they're getting fucked up.
But you're right.
U.S. does exert some export control on TSMC to sell to like Chinese company Hawaii.
Hawaii.
Huawei.
Huawei.
They need to start a new company and they're just buying chips through this new company.
I think that's like I heard that's up to you.
I'm sure there's a way to circumvent it.
Yeah, yeah.
But again, this is a perfect half-truth from Kamala.
Yeah, yeah.
Where it's like, not really, what is the joke you guys are laughing at over there?
By my pronunciation of Huai Why?
Nothing.
It's getting bombed from that.
Paul's bombing from the rafters.
What are you saying?
I bombed outside the club.
Holy shit.
You guys would pronounce it Huawei.
I thought we were all going to pile on and no one's already.
I missed it.
Can somebody break down tariffs?
Don't those hurt us by us implying tariffs on other countries and then they're just going to sell us their goods for more and then those that extra cost goes to us, right?
So that is one way of looking at it.
Okay.
The other way of looking at it is by applying those costs, you would allow American companies to compete.
You disincentivize importing and then you incentivize American companies to build and make their own stuff and then build up manufacturing.
And then the only way that, let's say, China, let's say, for example, it's like t-shirts, right?
I'm just going to use round numbers.
Hey, we're going to put a 20% tariff on t-shirts.
They used to be $100, now they're $120, right?
So now it's $120 to get a t-shirt.
Well, in America, they stopped making t-shirts because they couldn't make them for less than $110.
But China made them for $100.
Well, now that it's $120 for a t-shirt in China, right?
American companies go, well, shit, I can make one for $110.
So now we got t-shirts for $110.
Now China goes, well, fuck, the only way I can sell t-shirts to them is if I make it for less than $110.
All right.
So now we got it for $105.
Right.
So now we're getting a $20 credit, I guess you could say, like a, and then they're taking $15 of that hit, not us.
Now, this is not all industries because not all industries can compete with these imports.
So if you don't have an American industry that can now make the goods within that 20% range or whatever the tarot is, tariff is then that cost of good will just get put on the American citizens.
And doesn't it take a while?
Like if you just put a tariff on one particular thing, doesn't it take a while to get industry started here?
Like by the time we actually t-shirts, you can make an affair.
Yeah, I think it does, but I would also think, because on the surface, that sounds like a good idea to me because I think Middle America lost all the manufacturing, and that's one of the big contributors to decaying.
This would essentially build it back up.
And even if it took time, you're going to build a factory.
That's going to make jobs.
Like it might take some years, but I do think long term, I like that idea.
That would be the idea.
I'm using really round numbers, and it might be so much cheaper to do things in China that even with a 20% tariff, that it doesn't make sense in America.
But some people might spend a few more dollars on a shirt that's made in America than something made in China.
And there are issues with Chinese goods, especially when it comes to like clothing.
Since they're made in like such bulk and the communication is quite difficult, there's a lot of times there's like mistakes.
Right.
And that isn't an issue in America.
You're talking of someone who fucking speaks English, knows what you're trying to do.
You can go to the factory and be like, yeah, that's the one I want.
You're not flying to China every time you have a new order.
So even though it's a little more expensive, you won't have as many mistakes that you ultimately have to pay for.
So the cost might be even.
So that would be the argument for tariffs.
I'm sure there's a perfectly good argument against it that would convince us all as well.
But I've seen people presented on Twitter as very cut and dry.
Like you charge more money for them.
They just add to the cost of good.
It's more expensive for the American people.
I don't believe it's that cut and dry.
Gotcha.
And it might not be as cut and dry as what we're saying, like he said.
But yeah, to me, in theory, that makes great sense.
We should bring manufacturing back to America.
But as is, we can't compete with sweatshops.
But guys, okay, listen, can we just hold on for a second?
There's all this discussion about the election.
And at the end of the day, we are Americans.
Actually, it's not just Americans.
This is a global phenomenon.
Do we care about the election?
Sure.
But the other thing that we're thinking is how can we make money on it?
Yes.
Right?
How can we be the aristocrats?
Yeah, the aristocrats make money on the election.
Yeah.
Right?
The military industrial complex, wow, you're in a different seat, makes money on the election.
What happened to Ah, Gosh and Alex?
They're probably collecting their bags of money.
That's what they're doing.
They found a way to make money on it.
What I'm trying to say is the most American thing and the most international thing is probably to find a way to profit off of elections.
Now, how can we do that?
The everyday man, the regular folk?
There's no way for us to do it.
Mark, I'm going to make you eat your words.
Oh, no, don't.
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Before the debate, Trump was the favorite.
What?
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And then what happened?
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I haven't checked it just yet.
But before it was, you put $100 on, you're making shit, $192.
That's fire.
Yeah.
That's sick.
That is, it is sick, but has that changed?
I don't know.
I guess we got to see if anyone's eating dogs out there.
I mean, if they are eating dogs, maybe you continue to be the favorite.
But if they're not, well, maybe Kamal is up.
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Can you move back to your regular seat?
Can we bring the minorities back?
Guys, come back.
Yeah, it's almost like we kicked the minorities back out for this segment.
They can't gamble on that.
They're not allowed to do that, right?
We just want the elites to be able to do it.
It's almost like the elites of the pot are talking about how we can make money off the election.
Right, Dove?
We should.
Why is Dove just kind of squirmed out of here?
I don't know.
We should probably stop talking about this when it suddenly catches on to this highly devious plot.
Yeah.
Oh, we're going to be so rich.
Did you see Kamala kind of blame China for hiding COVID?
Yo.
Oh, yeah.
I need my apologies.
I'm literally watching.
I'm canceled or whatever that fucking term is, stupid term.
Republican Primary Tactics00:08:01
People are saying I'm a racist.
People have called me racist.
Yeah, and you've been trying to educate immigrants for years.
You've been trying.
That's all I do.
You've been trying to educate these.
That's what I do.
I mean, during that time, you were the Leo DiGabrio meme where you would just like point it out to screen.
He's like, that's me.
I mean, it was crazy to see.
Her just be like, yo, they lied about it.
That's what we said in the Netflix special.
And there's fucking article after article about, remember, I didn't get to perform in that Toronto venue that we originally booked?
Yeah.
Massey Hall.
It was Massey Hall because of exactly what the presidential nominee said on stage.
Yeah, this is what she said.
When we know that she was responsible for.
That's not what she said.
You mean to tell me this guy's racist?
How dare you?
These are crazy.
Yeah, how dare you are insane.
What fucking insane people you are.
Fucking shifty.
Okay, sir.
That's all.
So remark for nothing.
When we know that she needed to do that.
I know, right now, that's what she said.
The dumplings did it, and they need to be punished.
Wow.
I agree.
Okay.
Through an education system.
Biggest news of the night.
What's the biggest news of the night?
Y'all mother.
She threw her support behind Kamala.
Didn't we talk about this?
Yeah, she did.
Yeah.
What a fucking new move.
That was a long time.
No, I like how you teed that up, though.
That's just a lot of fun.
Yeah, right.
But it was a long conversation.
That's a four.
It was like a four-minute conversation.
And you participated before the podcast.
That's crazy.
Time before the pod.
Oh, you were in that combo.
Yeah, you participated.
What was the last time you nutted, yo?
Al gets dumb when he doesn't nut.
Yeah, you got cumbrains.
He does have cumbrain.
I can tell he got cumbraid.
Stop the whole podcast.
He stopped the whole.
Guys, hold on.
Hold on, everybody.
Yo, we did talk about it.
We did talk about it.
He's got Beyonce and all that shit.
That's crazy.
That's the only word he heard.
I feel vindicated because I didn't bring shit up.
I said last week on the pod all the time, but there's at least seven days in between.
I'm like, oh, man.
Quite a nut.
For you guys, most fair format for the next debate.
Or what should he agree to?
I thought this was fine.
And actually, I don't want there to be an audience.
This isn't.
I mean, it is a popularity contest, but it's not like a who can kill and who can rile up the audience.
It's at a comedy contest.
Yeah.
This is literally just say the words and then we digest the words.
Yeah.
That's it.
Okay, so same format, but it can't be, he's going to say can't be this three-on-one that I just experienced last night.
So he's going to oppose stopping.
What if each one can pick a moderator?
There's a board that selects if they can improve it or not.
I mean, if they both got to pick a moderator, that might be too messy.
But like, just both of y'all keep that shit in check a little bit.
But y'all are the Trump wants his person, Kamala wants his person.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
They said Kamala was wearing earrings with a microphone in them.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's a nice little bit of a title.
A microphone or earrings with a nice speaker.
A speaker in them.
Yeah, like earbuds.
That's so.
Oh, let me see this.
This is crazy.
It's a great idea.
Honestly, if you ever had an earbud in your ear and be able to talk that long, that's impressive.
That's impressive.
We've done shows where we have the earbuds.
What's it called?
The RFP or whatever the fuck?
Whatever the fuck it is.
The inn ears?
RFP.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's hard to pay attention to what's going on and listen to a note.
And like, I don't believe it.
I don't believe this shit.
And honestly, if she did, I'm going to vote for it for sure.
But they could be queuing her up while Trump is talking.
But even then, now you're not listening to what he's saying and you look a little confused.
I'll tell you the bar to say right after.
So these are her earrings.
I believe they're made by Chanel.
She's worn them multiple times before.
With that being said, people are saying, oh, these earrings right here are the Nova H1 audio earrings.
Oh, God.
And they're actually...
People are fucking losers.
They're actually headphones.
Unbelievable.
I mean, they're looking for any excuse to why Trump didn't lose.
Like, yo, stop being.
Dave looks like objectively different.
Like, what are we even talking about?
I don't think it was an earpiece, but I can see why.
But in this one, the one that's the actual speaker is just the round thing, right?
The one that was.
Yeah, I think it connects behind the ear too.
Who is the person that finds this stuff?
Like, that starts these theories.
Are you just trying to disrupt things or do you have like an actual mental illness?
The Russian government.
Something's wrong.
Oh, yeah.
The Russian government.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that actually makes a lot of sense.
That makes more sense than anything.
But if your boy loses, it's like you're looking for anything.
I'm not that hard, dude.
There's people that look.
Yeah, but Trump should have had an earpiece, too.
I'm saying, yo, bandage on the ear, headphone underneath.
Yeah, that's fine.
AirPod.
Bang.
Yeah, he didn't milk the bandage that long.
He could have milked that shit for a minute.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just make that his Nelly shit.
Just every time you see him, just got this shit on.
Yeah, dude.
You know what?
This really made me wish Vivek had won the primary.
He's too brown to win a Republican primary, but I feel like...
Nah, he, yeah, of course I love him.
Melissa just speaks too far above the average intellect.
Like he can't dumb it down.
And I think that's the real issue.
It's going to be his, I think that's why he should be in like an advisory or cabinet role because he needs somebody that can basically teach him how to speak to sixth grade IQ.
Yeah.
That's how you speak to the country.
And he just doesn't know how to do it.
But yeah, it would be the same.
Like the things I like about Trump's policies, whatever, I feel like he would do that without being going off the rails.
Yeah.
I just think you can't slash all of the institutions by that many people and the country still like function.
Indians save money, baby.
That's what we do.
All right.
Someone pointed this out on Twitter, bro.
This shit is kind of fire.
The comment just says Trump's neck pussy looking crazy to me.
Yo.
Nah, that's AI.
That's gotta be.
Yo, that's crazy.
That's gotta be AI.
How did that happen?
Al getting delicious.
I know, right?
Yo, that shit looked good.
I was about to get smart.
That shit look good.
My Puerto Rican came out.
That's like, look at my lips and shit.
Damn.
Look at that thing.
Yo, look at that thing.
Oh, bro.
You see this?
What?
Taylor Schwartz endorsed.
That's what you saw.
Really?
Holy shit, that's crazy.
What the hell?
All right, so Alice.
What's your hot take 30 minutes later about Taylor Swift and Dortson?
Yo, what's your hot take?
Y'all, mother, I'm about to make this one white there.
Exactly.
Do you think she moves the needle?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, man.
These little bags of the fallout girl that helped.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Actually, after going to that concert, yeah.
But y'all look at the NFL's numbers last season.
Yeah, she moves the needle.
Yeah.
But actually, I don't think she.
Sorry, go.
So I was going to change gears completely if you bunch this stuff.
I don't think she's getting any Republican to vote for Kamala.
I actually don't even know if that's possible to get someone to switch parties just with an endorsement.
But isn't this what we see?
Exactly.
I think that she might be convincing undecided.
And that's huge.
And that is huge.
This is what we talked about on Patreon, which I guess will come out after this.
But the Patreon we talked about, where it's like it's 40% and 40% already know exactly what they're going to do.
That 20%-ish in the middle that's undecided, they can be swayed by the debate.
They can be swayed by Taylor Swift.
I think maybe a debate plus Taylor Swift might be like, hey, you just feel on some level more okay voting.
I think the only thing that mitigates her endorsement is that people, at least from my opinion, already knew kind of what side she was on.
Swift Endorsement Impact00:15:24
Yeah.
Like she has like on-camera appearances talking about how much she doesn't like Trump.
Yeah.
And so I think to the average person, it's like, yeah, we know she's just not a surprise.
But like if this was someone completely out of left field, like if Milani was like, hey, I'm endorsing Kamala, we'd be like, whoa, that's Kamala.
Yeah, I hear you.
I hear you.
But I think it's also a big statement not coming up in support for Kamala.
So it's like, what do you mean?
What you mean?
If she just stays silent, like we talked about in the discussion, like if Kamala bombed and she didn't say anything, then I think that I don't know if that would go noticed, but the fact that she came out and said something, people are like, all right, that means she did well.
And like, it just adds to the idea that she did well.
If you're undecided and you're like, who do I just want representing the country?
Yeah.
Because not saying something is also saying something when you have that much influence.
Can we talk about what a legend Dave Groll is?
Can I pee real quick?
Yo, can you really quickly you go pee?
We're going to start talking about this because he timed this up perfectly.
He's like, yo, there's a debate happening.
I got some news to tell everybody.
I got some information to drop on the internet a second that the whole world is talking about some other shit.
Yo, this is genius.
Yo, but what's so interesting about this, and like I'm trying to be positive.
I'm trying to be understanding.
He fathered a kid out of wedlock.
Dave Grohl is the lead singer of the Foo Fighters.
Okay.
He used to be the drummer for Nirvana.
He used to be the drummer for Nirvana.
But he has over the last 30 years been regarded as the greatest human being in history.
Which he still may be.
But meaning, like everyone loves Dave Grohl.
Yeah.
He almost like does the right thing.
He is so lovable, so endearing, so charming.
In every interview, he's charming.
He'll bring the right person on stage and sing the song with them together.
He'll support everything he needs to support.
He's perfectly managed his celebrity like to perfection.
He's one of the few incredibly famous people, and there's a handful of them.
Yeah, it's like him and Keanu Reeves.
Literally that.
Are the only incredibly famous people that everyone just seems to love?
Who I think you think is the same person.
Yeah.
Probably.
I mean, like, I thought that was Keanu Reeves.
Staunch conservatives.
Like, yo, the Matrix guy does music.
And he's nice to us.
But staunch conservatives love him.
Yeah.
Staunch liberals love him.
Everybody loves this guy.
He is an all-around, seemingly just great fucking guy.
Okay.
There's another wrinkle to this story that I'll tell you in a bit.
So, yeah, just to catch up, Keanu Reeves fathered a baby.
So, and then all of a sudden, he knocks up some other chick outside of his marriage, which is like, this is not at all in line with the perception of Dave Grohl.
Yeah.
Who happens to be married to the daughter of one of our teachers at UCSB?
And the opening, do you remember this?
The opening lesson, the teacher brought it up.
Love this guy.
He's the best guy.
And I was like, wow, everybody loves it.
Even the guy who's fucking, you know, his daughter's getting none of him still loves him.
Everybody loves this guy.
So there's more going on.
Maybe his marriage isn't that great.
Maybe they're just kind of, you know, keeping it together for, what is it, keeping up with the Joneses or whatever that term is.
We don't know exactly what's going on.
No, I don't think that this is the case, but I do think it is funny.
This happened immediately after kind of publicly beefing with Taylor Swift.
This is going to add to the lore that Taylor Swift is somehow some genius mastermind.
Talk to me.
Literally, he was on stage being like, yeah, we don't use AI when we sing, unlike some performers or something.
And like took a shot at her.
You remember this?
Yeah.
And then she took a shot back or something like that.
She's like, I sing all my own songs and I'm still popping.
I don't remember the exact details, but basically they were going like jawing at each other.
And then a month later, he's like, yeah, I knocked someone up.
My bad.
And you think she sent a honeypot?
She's a honeypot or something.
She sent a honeypot.
She sent the Dave Grohl honeypot package.
How does she do it?
How does Taylor always do it?
No, it is just ironic that like the second you go to Taylor, cosmically somehow.
No, dude, she needs to be stopped.
Like she's just unstoppable.
Do we know who the mistress is?
Yeah, this is the mother of his job.
Let me find out, though.
But I want to know.
Like, did he like Schwarzenegger with it?
And the home.
Was it the nanny or was he having a whole relationship on the side?
And then.
Let me find out.
So here's my question, though.
Does this change the perception of Dave Grohl at all?
Probably a little.
Yeah.
I had nothing to know.
No, it definitely changed your perception.
You know who he is now.
I think Al likes him way more.
This guy's awesome.
He's a rock star.
He fucks people.
I know him.
That's great.
I'm just saying, like, when you're known as kind of like, if one of the Oasis brothers fathered a kid outside of wedlock, you'd be like, yeah, that's what they would do.
They're like kind of, you know, curmudgeony rock stars.
Yeah.
But when you're the nicest guy in the world who loves family and loves togetherness and all of a sudden cheating on your girl is one thing.
Fathering a kid.
Yeah, That's crazy.
That's insanity.
Yeah.
I mean, he probably didn't want her to keep the kid.
But still, you nut in a girl.
Like, you have a whole family and a wife, and you're no rubber nutting in a girl on the side.
Yeah.
Like, so what I'm starting to wonder is, like, do we have to look back at the way that we've perceived Dave Grohl as a marketing campaign that we've all fell for for years?
I think people.
Or is this an innocent mistake?
I think people need to stop upholding random people that they don't know as perfect deities that can do no wrong.
Like, we just do this all the time where you just see a guy and you're like, that guy's perfect.
And then they do anything wrong.
And you're like, how could they do this to me?
It's like for the first time.
You guys also lean into that shit, Mark.
They lean into the character of I do everything right.
And that's my only issue.
It's like, it's very easy to share the wrong things you do.
And it's also very easy for you and your publicist to come together and put marketing dollars behind how awesome and genuine and beautiful you are.
And you might get an ego boost out of the whole world thinking you're the best guy in the world.
But I think every famous person does this.
Every publicist is like, okay, go do the dog charity and we're going to sleek it to TMZ or whatever.
You know, I think that's just the nature of what being a famous person is.
And so he just happened to take hold within the minds of the people.
And they were like, yeah, this guy is the greatest guy.
And then I think it's on the people to be like, yeah, not every person's perfect.
I bet you this rock star that's been famous since he was 15 years old probably has done some fucking work.
Also, to be fair to him, he's not taking every photo up.
He's not taking every that we just find the cool things he does, like bringing his uh the son on stage to play the drums or whatever.
That was him, right?
That was all it wasn't his son.
It was the yeah, the band member who died.
They had his son play the drums.
We watched the video, yeah, so emotional beautiful.
I'm like, go, go, go.
So I'm just to Mark's point, yeah, these guys, a person is all things, not can be.
We all are all things.
Yeah.
Anybody could slip up, I guess.
They've been married 21 years, so I'm not saying that makes it acceptable, but like, if people slip up after a long time, it happens.
Yo, but slip up is like, I know what you mean.
This is if he, if he just cheated, it's one thing.
It is different.
It is different.
I mean, but you don't know if like the condom broke.
Like, you know, again, I'm not defending the guy, but I'm just like, he just impossible to get pregnant.
So the amount of times, the amount of times he would have to fuck this girl and nut in her for her to get pregnant is you can't even count them.
You can't even be like, you did IVF with you.
One night stand.
You didn't know how you lied.
Yeah, that's right.
I don't even believe in one night stands.
I don't believe in this.
Like, you know, when like the athletes get their girls pregnant all the time, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're fucking thousands of girls and nutting in them.
And then eight got pregnant.
They also have like the best sperm.
Objectively.
I don't even believe that.
No, I think it's gummy bears.
It's the most athletic sperm.
It could get over any obstacle.
Yes, but I understand that, but I don't subscribe to it.
How not?
I don't believe it.
I just think gummy bears would look like these motherfuckers.
Like, that's good jeans.
Yeah, I don't believe that.
That's actually.
I understand the point you guys are making.
What I'm saying right now is no.
What I'm saying is no.
You're listening to the abortion debate.
You're like, why would you kill a kid if you paid money to put it in there?
Exactly.
Why would you kill them?
Exactly.
Craziness.
When I hear these people arguing over abortion, I'm like, what do you mean?
Like, there's no babies.
What are you talking about?
Like, it's impossible to get pregnant.
Like, what are you even thinking?
Why is this even an argument?
Dude, someone has it?
I'll bet you to keep it and take it off your hands.
Yeah.
Exception for incidents.
You're not going to do IVF on your sister.
This is disgusting.
This is fucking.
Wait, don't think about it.
Don't think about it.
You're right.
You're right.
Don't think about it.
So when I hear this, I'm like, wow, like this guy, this guy really wanted to get this girl pregnant.
That's how I interpret it.
I genuinely am like, he wanted her to be pregnant bad, and that's why he nutted in her for 10 years straight.
That also could be true.
We don't know the info.
He hasn't said her name.
He just put that there.
How old is Dave Grohl?
He's probably 50s.
Yeah.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get a 50-year-old rock star.
55.
55-year-old rock star has been doing fucking drugs and drinking the majority of his life.
Bust one time in some Russian honeypot and she's pregnant.
No!
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Maybe he's been fucking thousands of girls.
That's the one he got.
That I subscribe.
Maybe she's Latina.
Maybe.
And this is a big, there's a lot of different outliers.
That is the outlier.
Malcolm Gradwell should write an entire book about this outlier.
This is true.
Now, I will say, now we're talking here.
If this is just what he does, he just busts down every single girl on the road.
Just nuts in every single one.
Then, and this is just the one that got pregnant?
Because what might come out is other girls might be like, he's acting like he doesn't do this, but like he fucks us all at Dalconhams and that's kind of his kink and he likes to do that.
Then what is the perception?
I think that he's cool as fuck.
He's a rock star finally.
He's a guy.
Not this gay, likable shit he's been doing.
I'm a hero or whatever that song is.
What is it?
There goes my hero.
Which is what his fans are thinking.
Apparently, there's cheating allegations in the 90s with Winona Ryder and many other people that he dated in the 90s.
Okay, so he was just fucking all these bitches and one's finally.
A hot musician bangs people.
Come on.
Why you got called hot?
Because he's a hot guy.
No, I don't know.
Nobody considered him hot.
I knew this dude.
You like that type?
This guy is hot, dude.
What are you talking about?
This guy is shit.
No way, dude.
Come on.
Is he Asian?
I mean, I was about to say.
He is actually 100% Korean.
He looks like Ben Uyeda's Down syndrome brother.
There's no way.
He's got to be Asian.
He's just bright, I think.
Maybe he's just bright.
No.
He's a girl.
No.
Damn, I wish we were.
Come on.
I do think if you marry a rock star or an NBA athlete or a professional athlete in general and they cheat, as a woman, it's like, what do you think was going to happen?
Like, y'all don't even know I'm going with the metaphor.
It's like if you're tall, you're going to cheat.
Right?
Like, you got to expect that if you date someone tall.
Yeah, because you can see so many other girls.
Exactly.
Define tall.
I don't know, like 5'9?
No, but like, yeah, exactly.
It's like, you know, you're with the tall guy.
He's going to bang his head on shit a little bit.
And that's something you have to expect.
Both heads.
Fight.
But yeah, dude.
Chunky to get shot at again.
Yeah.
That might be the only thing that can save him.
I mean, like, I don't want that to happen.
I just want to classify.
He wants to win.
But if he wants to win, I think another attempt would be helpful.
I don't want that to happen.
And I hope that that attempt fails.
Just pointing that out here, that is the tragic.
Did I say something illegal?
It was illegal right there when I said.
I don't think it's illegal.
But if Kamala wants to lock it up, but she also has to fake one.
She got to eat a cat live.
She got to eat a cat live on TV.
She got to skin a cat and barbecue.
Tear it up live.
Wait a minute.
No, that's not what she should do.
I got a little tricked right there.
I think they both need to do assassination attempts.
On each other?
Duel themselves.
Exactly.
Duel?
At the debate, they're both like, whoa.
Dude, it's flying past both of them.
I mean, if someone tries to shoot a Kamala and she evades it, she wins.
It's not even a fucking question.
She wins.
She wins, guaranteed.
Not even a question.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Speaking of Taylor Swift.
Wait, real quick.
How much of her doing better?
How much of her?
I hate you.
I hate you with all my heart.
Oh, no, but actually, her man biting your style.
That is true.
That's crazy.
Welcome to the club, my boy.
That's all I'm trying to say.
You gave it up, club.
You gave it up.
You did give it up.
So the moment you faded, he's like, it's mine now.
You did give it up.
He did win.
He did win.
Yeah.
But now it's his.
And he blamed it on the movie, so he can't even take credit like he wanted to do it.
No, I didn't want to do it.
The movie asked me to do it, so I got to give them the credit.
But he is, there's one where he has his hair parted, like I have my hair.
It is like shockingly similar.
Yeah.
All I'm trying to say is, you know what I mean?
European Mindset Confusion00:04:58
Like, welcome to the gang.
I'm the innovator.
It's all good.
Did he just get tired of being good looking?
I don't understand.
That was going on to both of us.
You just hurt everybody's feelings.
Yeah.
You killed two birds with one stone.
I mean, that is the haircut to make yourself look uglier, though.
Like, you'll never be able to do it.
When you did it, you knew you were.
You're a handsome guy.
You just, that haircut made you less handsome.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But you knew that.
Why y'all care about being handsome?
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
Believe it or not.
Holy shit.
Oh, my God.
Wow.
Wow.
Y'all are crazy.
Making me say them things.
Making me say them.
Boy, cooking.
Oh, my God.
No, but pull him up at the U.S. Open because that's when he really looks like Joe.
Yeah, you know exactly where it was.
Yeah.
At all times.
I don't even think it was U.S. Open.
I think the bucket had the Gucci bucket at the U.S. Open.
Oh, wasn't he?
I think he was going to something else.
Not like I've been paying attention.
Yo, we are gay guys.
We are gay guys.
Yo, what's wrong?
I don't like the full Gucci fit.
We judging motherfuckers for eating animals we already eat when there's guys butt fucking sucking cocks.
What?
You know what I mean?
It's about that neighborhood.
We're talking about that.
We're talking about the Haitians.
We're talking about the Haitians in Springfield, Illinois.
You're going out to the West Village.
There's guys sticking their dicks in poop for the love of the game.
Find a hole in the logic.
Come on.
Find the hole in the logic.
Find the hole in the middle.
Let's work with Weezy and find the hole in the logic.
Find a hole in my logic.
Haitians don't do that.
They're not going to put their dick in locking.
Never.
No.
Never.
Never do such a thing.
They will eat a duck whole in one bite.
They will.
Sometimes.
They will.
They like duck.
But they won't put their dick in a shitter.
Yo, shout out to Haitians, bro.
I defend y'all, man.
Yeah.
Imagine seeing them do the whole neck breaking thing with a duck like that.
That's a little bit of a video you see about this neck break.
The way you kill it one time.
I don't know how you kill a chicken.
You twist a chicken's head off.
A duck.
You have to spin it around like that.
How'd it feel?
Kind of weird.
Made you feel sad a little.
You know that like psychos do that when they're kids, right?
I didn't kill him for fun.
I went hunting.
I went home.
No, I didn't go hunting.
You didn't go hunting.
You fucked up.
Yes, I did.
You were one of them.
You are close.
You're fucking.
You went hunting for fun, for the record.
Yeah.
Go because you needed the food.
I did go to Central Park.
I went to Central Park and I got the duck.
You were close, Mark.
And I gave it to a Haitian guy.
What do you always say about Mark?
I was a Layton Bedwater.
Always say.
Of all of us, it is definitely the close.
He was killing animals as a child.
I was a layton bedwater, too.
This is another symptom.
No, I used to do that shit off of pure laziness, bro.
Respect.
That's fire.
Pure laziness.
Pure laziness.
I'd be waking up.
I'd be like, oh, I'm not trying to get up.
And I just pee on me.
That shit was wild.
That's crazy.
That shit was fire.
That's crazy.
Ah, so warm until it's cold.
So warm until it's cold.
Bro, what did you do then?
After that, we get out.
Go down the little ladder because my brother's sleeping beneath.
Oh, I'm going to see now Chinese water torches.
Like that.
That's how COVID started.
Boop.
Boop.
Damn.
That's crazy.
The good old days.
So nice.
To be a kid again.
Literally.
And just pee in your bed.
Just to let it rip in your own bed.
Yeah.
The comfort of that, the warmth.
But you would change the sheets the next day.
Nah, you just bury your dick in that piss mount.
What?
What?
Speaking of tailoring.
So I just can't understand just sticking your dick in the face.
Yo, the European minds cannot fathom pissing in your bed, letting a Chinese water torture onto your brother's forehead.
The European mind cannot.
Why is the European mind incapable of fathoming burying your dick into a twin-size mattress and just peeing through it till you hit the coils?
Why can the European mind not fathom that?
Why can they not fathom it?
It's something that drives me crazy.
The European mind getting up, walking to the toilet, peeing in it.
The European mind.
Tenet Media Politics00:06:57
Country sun.
Country sucks.
That's a good country.
The European countries suck.
The European countries.
Run by some fat dyke in Germany.
She's not even there anymore.
She's done.
What is her name?
How can you possibly understand?
Mama Merkel?
Yeah.
How can she possibly understand?
I don't know.
Sticking your dick in a piss match.
She doesn't fucking know anything.
Built like grew.
Making laws.
It's fucking European minds, bro.
Yeah.
So anyway, if you were present, what would you do?
What's up?
What's up with Tenet Media, bro?
Oh, yeah.
That's kind of weird.
Shout out to them.
Yo, we fucked up.
How did we not get a bag for that?
I know.
What the hell are we doing?
I've been a Russian puppet for a long time.
We're backing up Trump for free.
Say again?
Yeah, what the hell?
We're fucking idiots.
Is that what they were doing?
Yeah.
Yeah, they were backing up Russia and shit.
So it's who?
Tim Pools?
It's a bunch of people with Tenet Media.
Their involvement, I don't know the exact details.
Lauren Chen.
Dave Rubin.
Dave Rubin.
They claimed that they didn't know.
No, they didn't know, but they didn't bother to look into it.
Yeah.
They were getting crazy bags for doing shit that didn't deserve the crazy bag.
Yeah, you're getting $400,000 a month.
That's kind of crazy.
I work for four videos.
You think your content for fire?
Oh, yeah, just four videos?
Yeah, come on.
And the chick worked for Russia Today before, right?
Melissa Chen or whatever her name is.
Lauren Chen worked for Russia Today before she started the Tenet Media thing.
Oh, wow.
I'm pretty sure.
I'm not sure.
Listen, whatever.
Get your money.
Yeah.
Also, I don't think they changed their, by the way, I don't think they changed their perspectives, but I also don't think that was the goal of the campaign.
I think the goal of the campaign wasn't for them to spout out disinformation.
I think the goal of the campaign was for us, the American people, to not trust any media.
Because if those four people are bought, who else is bought?
So you think it was their goal to get caught?
Yeah, no, I don't, I don't think they're upset at getting caught.
Because now I'm like, yo, who's put who's putting the money up for Rumble, bro?
Are we talking about Operation Mockingbird right now?
The greatest CIA operation ever.
Talk to me about that.
Basically, the CIA from Declassified Doctor.
The CIA had basically put money towards independent journalists and media figures to basically buy their influence.
Well, well, well.
Well, from being classified documents.
Well, they button out there once again.
So let's think about it.
Who's putting the money up for Rumble?
Rumble is clearly giving an outlet for, I would say, like the most divisive voices online.
Yeah.
Right?
You don't even need to pay them to say the things they're saying.
All you need to do is amplify the voices that are saying these things and give them a platform because what you want is just disruption in America.
You just want people fighting.
You want people saying crazy shit and reacting to crazy shit and making it seem like everybody here is at each other's throats.
That's what you want.
And it really doesn't cost that much for a country.
We're talking about a country here, right?
If a country is just like, all right, shave off a billion dollars.
Russia's like, hey, listen, shave off a billion dollars of, you know, our new oil profits and just sow some disinformation in America.
You know, prop up a bunch of these streaming platforms, boss up a bunch of there's, I don't know what you even call Rumble.
I guess it's stream, but it's also like videos.
You know, and like, I don't know.
I don't know where Tucker, I don't know where Tucker's at.
Tucker's so egregious.
You could do an entire video talking about how great Russia was.
That's the only reason I'm like, I don't know if they're propping him up because he literally was there like saying how amazing a Russian grocery store is.
Like that would be like two on the nose, but maybe.
Like who's the money behind?
Like, I want to know where the money is, but the fact that I want to know might be the point of the campaign.
It was just really interesting to see independent media within a few years completely discredit itself.
We were so excited about independent journalism until they got the taste or independent journalists got the taste of money.
Yeah.
And they immediately leaned into whatever gets them the most views and the most money, which is exactly what CNN does and Fox News does.
It took a matter of years before greed completely manipulated free media.
I wonder if it's cheaper.
Like, I wonder if the money it takes to buy a CNN or to buy a Fox is so much more than 100 independent and much less dangerous because CNN and Fox got to vet you a little bit because they're on the hook with their, what's it called?
They're publicly traded companies.
So they're on the hook with their people on the stock, people on the shares.
And if it looks like they're corrupted, forget it, game over.
I mean, my understanding is that Fox would have won that Dominion lawsuit.
Like if it actually went to court, but Rupert Murdoch and the other top brass at Fox would have to take the stand and admit that like they push out propaganda and that it's sensationalized.
And that would tank the company.
And that is worth way more than $800 million.
Wow.
So they're like, fuck, they got us by the balls.
Okay, give them $800 million because we'll maintain Fox, which is a billion dollar franchise.
Yeah, wow.
But that's, it's way cheaper to buy them off.
You're paying $100,000 a video and then they'll say whatever they're already saying.
Again, I don't think...
Tell me where I'm wrong in this.
Sorry.
Let's, because they're saying what they're, they're all saying, like, we didn't know we're victims.
Tell me where I'm wrong.
Is it not worse that you're just saying what you believe and Russia is using that to be like, oh, this is perfect propaganda for us?
Like, if you're so American and what you're saying is something that Russians are looking at and being like, oh, this is great for us.
This is going to ruin America.
Is that not worse?
I would almost rather you be for sure.
Here's the reason why I think it's worse is because that assumes everything America does is good.
Okay.
Right.
And everything Russia does is bad.
And I don't exactly think that's the case when it comes to maybe the Ukraine-Russia one.
Right.
people would be pointing out like oh we're giving 50 billion dollars to ukraine in weapons this is stupid we should be helping people here that obviously helps russia but that is just like a foreign policy policy dispute that can go either way okay so they're cherry picking the things that help them it's not as opposed to like everything you say and they're also utilizing things that help them in ways that the person saying it might not think initially but i don't know if that's necessarily like but also weren't they told weren't some of them told what to say Because I saw there was one video where a guy was like, oh, Ukraine's our enemy or some shit like that.
Yeah, Tim Pool had said on an earlier stream, I don't know the exact date, but something to the effect of like, Ukraine is the enemy of America.
Historical Fact Assumptions00:14:14
Yeah, there is no proof as of now that he, the only two people I think that they know for sure that knew were Lauren Chen and then whoever the other founder.
She started it.
Her and her husband started the tenant company.
So yeah, they're definitely spies.
They're also from Canada.
And that's another thing that fucking is annoying.
It's just like, yo, mind your business, yo.
Yeah.
If you're from Canada, don't start a fucking media company in America.
I'm all about like all of you mind your fucking business.
When it comes to our politics, mind your fucking business.
Don't start a media company here.
Don't do that shit.
Mind your business.
Go talk about your shit.
Yeah.
I mean that.
John Oliver, go talk about your shit.
Yeah, but they should not pop him.
Say again?
They should not.
That's what annoys me.
I mean, it was kind of annoying when Trevor Noah would talk to Americans about racism.
And it's like, buddy, couldn't you like not walk down the street with your fucking like, yeah, you guys don't know anything about the country.
You don't, you haven't lived in Alabama.
You haven't lived in Arkansas.
You're using these places as punchlines, but you don't know anything about them.
Like, it's just not.
Shut up.
All of you.
Shut up.
You're just here to be famous.
And this is your way to be famous, your way to make money.
But shut up.
I'm sorry.
Like, it is, it is getting a little bit annoying.
It is.
This is your choice.
You came here for fame.
And this is the avenue of fame.
I would feel uncomfortable going to a foreign country and then shitting on half of it.
Like as my job every week, I would feel uncomfortable.
I would feel, and also the Americans were so self-loathing that like we allow it to happen, which is like hysterical.
That's a product of privilege.
Being self-loathing.
Of course, 100%, which is a great point.
But if we went to another country and did it, they would fucking rate us.
Imagine an American goes to England, puts on a weekly talk show where he shits on half of England.
And look at these poor fucking, what do you call them, yokels and these dumb motherfuckers up in Yorkshire and these idiots.
They would be riding in the streets.
Let's go do a daily show in Iran.
Let's do a daily show in Iran.
Great fucking idea.
That'd be fun.
It's almost like comedians going to other countries and shitting on them every time they get there.
Well, I would think, I would think that I do it in a way that acknowledges, like, I'm very deliberate about the way I do it.
It's like, hopefully, when I leave, those people there go, wow, he like really took some time to understand the culture and really figure out what's going on here.
That's a peculiar thing.
It's also like, this is a stupid way of saying it.
It's like my way of saying, thank you for coming out.
But it's my way of going, hey, like, I'm not just going to make this only about me.
I want you to know that I appreciate you guys being here and I appreciate your country.
Yeah, it's not politically driven.
Yeah, it's not shitting on the political.
I'm not trying to get you to vote red or blue.
Yeah, based on, I know you're fucking around.
But like, there is, it is a good thing to bring up because I think that could be a reaction.
But I think the distinct difference is like, I'm doing it out of like love.
I'm like, hey, I love, I appreciate you guys being here and I want to let you guys know, hear some jokes about you guys too.
When they're doing it here, they're doing it for money and fame.
Yeah, they're interested in these topics for sure.
But I imagine if someone was like, hey, can you guys not do that show?
And instead, I just want to make you an action superhero.
I think they'd be like, okay.
Do you know what I mean?
That's why John Steiner is a good person.
I don't think there's many people that would say no to that.
Of course not.
But you're giving me $100,000 for an eight-minute video.
I'm like, Joe, down shit on Iron Road.
So that's the reason why I don't criticize them because I don't think they knew.
No, I do criticize them.
I don't think that they knew.
And you don't go asking where the money comes from.
So you're talking about the tenant media guys right now, right?
Not John Oliver Turvino.
No, The tenant media guys, you don't go asking where the money comes from.
Like, we don't ask where the fucking money comes from.
We're going to do a sponsorship on this podcast today.
I haven't vetted any of these companies.
Blue Chew could be owned by fucking China for all I know.
And they're trying to get our dicks hard.
They're trying to get our dicks hard.
They do a good job, they are doing a good job.
Yeah.
Now, so, so it's very...
So I do like have some empathy for the not the Lauren Chen one and her husband, who clearly are Russian.
But Tim Poole and all these other guys.
I do have some empathy.
And they apparently gave him a story.
They said that they've said that the funding came from a fictitious persona of a wealthy European sponsor, Edward Gregorian.
Gregorian, yeah.
I would take the money.
I'd be like, that's good enough for me.
This is a wealthy guy that wants content for his thing.
He wants Trump to win or whatever.
He's like a right-wing dude and he's going to make money on it.
You could be like, all right, maybe.
The point that I think that we should be making here is that all of the independent journalists and independent media that has been shaming mainstream media for being biased, for being bought by the corporations, I think it's very hard for them to continue doing that, knowing that they don't spend that much time vetting the people sponsoring their videos.
Because if you really care about being unbiased, even if you are in your videos, the fact that the people know that you've been bought by special interest groups, it can discredit what you're saying.
In the same way that we discredit CNN or Fox News for maybe not being as critical as they could be about the pharmaceutical industries because they are responsible for 50% of their ads.
Now, CNN and Fox might be like, we do stories all the time about how fucked up the pharmaceutical industry and the Sackler family pushing fentanyl or whatever it is.
But the perception is still you're bought.
It's also worth noting that the report basically says that they had influence on their content.
So it wasn't for some of them.
I read that the DOJ said that all them outside of the Lauren Chen and her husband, all the other creators are not being accused of ties or espionage or having their videos be manipulated.
That's what I read in the DOJ report.
This says the two defendants requested that tenant influencers produce content blaming the Crauc City hall attack on Ukraine and the U.S.
But that doesn't mean that they were forced to make that content.
It just means that that content aligned with what they did.
No, I think they're saying they asked them to make it, but it doesn't say who.
It could have been one person.
Like they asked them to make that content and the rest of them didn't know.
Right.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
No, it doesn't say which one.
And it always just says like commentator one and two and just says their subscriber amount.
So it doesn't actually say who did what.
But according to this, it just says that two defendants requested, the two defendants requested that tenant influencers produce content blaming this attack on Ukraine.
So if they're requesting it, again, I don't know if they agreed to it.
Maybe they said no.
They could have asked, yeah, they could have just asked Lauren Chen and her husband and then they decided who they wanted to make that content.
They told those guys to make that content.
They made that.
And maybe they said no.
The guys who didn't know.
They don't want to.
Yeah, I don't know necessarily, but if there is an outside influence and like foreign dollars changing the type of content that you make, to me, that is more egregious.
I think the important thing is we are all willing to sell out.
Myself included.
Russia, what's up?
We need to be.
All this time I'm not getting a bag for saying I'm teen China over here, man.
I'm missing out.
Yeah.
For years.
Yeah.
What'd you think about the Tucker interview with the martyr made guy?
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw the closing clip.
You guys didn't watch it?
No, I saw the clip.
I saw some clips.
It's not even close to as bad if you watch the whole thing as the way it's being perceived on.
Yeah.
The way that I saw it on Twitter was: this guy said the Holocaust wasn't that bad.
It was poor planning.
The concentration camps were poor planning.
I think it was actually the planning was really well done.
It was like a masterful planning.
And then Winston Churchill was a coward and like the true enemy of the war.
Those are like the sound bites that I heard and saw.
Okay, so here's what I'll say.
I listened to the whole thing.
A couple things going on here.
If you're a historian, if you dedicate your life to, okay, he says a couple things.
He says he likes creating content around a cultural mythology.
And what happens is every culture has their mythology.
There's religious mythology, but there's also cultural mythology.
Meaning, like this is the course of history in America.
This is how we see it.
And this is exactly what happened.
And we do not chip away at that.
We do not offer alternative takes.
This is just what we all accept happened.
And the way he framed it is: and oftentimes, like, that isn't exactly what happened.
It is just the framework of what we want to believe happened.
And there is wiggle room for truth.
Now, the way that he describes the Jews, what happened in the Holocaust in this brief moment, and Churchill, I'll start with the Churchill thing.
This is pretty interesting.
He goes, I once said to a friend, and I may have been being hyperbolic and purposely antagonistic, but I said to him, The real chief villain of World War II was Winston Churchill.
But he caveats it, going, I'm trying to antagonize him.
And what he strikes me as is a guy who gets his intellectual rocks off by exposing things to people that they feel they truly understand and showing them that there is another take that they don't understand at all.
Now, the problem with this is nobody does as much research as him except the other experts.
The rest of us don't.
We watch a few World War II movies, we learn about it in school, and we're like, that's what happened.
And then he comes over and he goes, the original idea of the Germans and Hitler was not to have not to just kill all the Jews, that this was a, how did he phrase it?
Did he use specific language?
I don't remember.
It was a planning error.
And basically, what happened is they had all these people and they didn't have enough food to feed them.
And there's even letters from the guards: would the humane thing be to do is kill them instead of having them all starve slowly throughout the winter?
Okay.
Now, here's the interesting thing about this, right?
None of us have read anything about World War II.
None of us can refute that.
None of us have read the letter he's referencing.
None of us have read the books that he's referencing.
We don't know.
Do we want to read the books?
No.
Are we going to read the letter?
No.
You know what's way easier?
This guy's a fucking anti-Semite.
That motherfucker hates Jews because I don't want to read.
That is way easier.
And that's what we do with most things.
When we have to do a lot of intellectual heavy lifting, we just go, I don't want to deal with this fucking shit.
We do it all the time with black people.
Somebody offers certain statistics about, you know, black crime and these things.
And then someone goes, yeah, shut up, you racist.
And it's like, I do think with what he's saying here, like, there's just a couple questions that you would ask follow-ups.
Like, why were they in the camps?
You can't, why did they not get the what?
What's going on?
Okay, it's like even having this conversation.
I think what we have to acknowledge here is that most historians that have reacted to this have said that he's incredibly wrong.
That he is, in my estimation, he's just trying to have a hot take about history.
If you dedicate your life to history, you can't just write a new book that's the same book that everybody's written.
You're not going to sell any copies.
So he's trying to be like almost a comedian about it, where it's like, okay, here's another angle you didn't know about.
Okay.
I think a lot of times historians do this when they want attention.
Here's the reality.
There is maybe some truths in this thing, but it's not as sexy when there's just little bits of truths.
It's sexier and gets the entire internet talking when you come from a completely different angle.
Okay.
So just to copy that.
You said something real quick.
This wouldn't it be easy to just ask follow-up questions like, why were they in the camps in the first place?
Yes.
His argument would be like, okay, what we're doing is we're purifying the German identity.
Yeah.
We don't consider Jews German.
We also don't consider the Catholics Germans or the Blacks Germans or the fucking gypsies or whatever.
I think they were also in the camps as well.
So the Jews just happened to be the largest minority in Germany at the time.
It's not like there were tons of fucking Muslims and shit there.
Jews are large.
So they're the largest quantity of people that are in the camps.
There's also this idea that they've been being blamed and Hitler used this hatred of Jews and they're controlling the banks and they're the ones that are suffocating the German economy.
He uses fear-mongering to build this kind of support, which he's not acknowledging close to enough in this argument.
He's not the Mein Kampf thing that you brought up last time.
It's like, isn't that the whole point of the book?
I don't know.
I haven't read Mein Kampf, so I can't say whether he said, yo, we're going to gather them all up and kill them.
But even after Mein Kampf like Patsy's coming up in power, like Andrew's saying, Jews are mentioned in every single topic.
Absolutely.
So again, even this is like so delicate to talk about because in my head as we're talking about this, I'm like, oh, they're going to take some excerpt out and say, oh, they're apologizing for the hog.
That's why these conversations are impossible.
Don't worry, keep it while we do it.
Yeah, he has a pass.
Exactly.
Again, this is like the way to have a hot take on history.
You see it all the time.
I wonder if historians will also do this where in the conversation, there is a basic assumption of facts that they don't always reiterate them.
Like, you know, like when comics hang, like the jokes will be dark and fucked up.
Because there is a basic assumption, like, yeah, we're comics.
Like, I'm making fun of like your dead dog because that's what we do.
And that's what, like, we're friends like that.
So I wonder if historians do that where they're like, oh, well, did you know this about World War II?
And the assumption is like, yeah, Hitler's bad.
But they don't always reiterate it because they're sort of desensitized to the topic at hand.
So I thought that.
And then he was on Twitter defending his position.
I read this whole thread of basically like, it's basically the word he's apologizing for Hitler.
I wouldn't say he's apologizing.
He's like, this person is horrible.
What he did to humanity is disgusting, is awful.
It's vile.
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That's not what he's saying.
It's incredibly viable.
Vile.
But what he's saying is that in his position, he didn't think that Hitler wanted to extend the war and that it was actually Churchill.
And then he, there's like a veiled suggestion that Churchill had some debts that were paid off by, he doesn't say it, but the Jews and he's kind of in the pockets of the Zionists and they wanted this war expanded.
And that's why he continued the war when what he alleges is that Hitler was trying to sue for peace.
He was like, I don't want to go into Britain.
I got everything that we need.
We're good to go.
And does he substantiate this?
Or is this just like?
Yeah, he's like, they dropped pamphlets and did all this other shit.
And he's saying like, even what he's saying is like Churchill was just all they had, I guess, at the time were these like firebombs that you could drop.
And he was just firebombing the black force.
anything to continue the conflict.
He wanted to continue conquering.
This is getting ready.
No, no, no.
This is what he's saying.
This is what he's saying in the interview, right?
Now, of course, this is incredibly engaging because you're like, whoa, I haven't heard this side of history at all.
I just heard the side where Churchill is this like brilliant, powerful, brave leader that saved the world from speaking German.
It also feels like it's politically and culturally convenient.
Well, I mean, I'm sure that's why Tucker's having them on.
I mean, I don't know.
But it is like, there's like so much anti-Israeli vitriol and 12.
Oh, yeah.
And then it's like, also, World War II, the Jews did it.
You're like, whoa, what?
Also, by the way, just a technical thing on the bombing runs, like this is proven the Brits would do the bombing runs at night because they're getting picked off out of the sky every two seconds.
The Americans, who actually had some consideration, were doing the bombing runs in the day.
We're talking about the Black Forest drops or something.
We're talking about a different time.
We're talking about before the Americans have even engaged in the war and before Britain is even officially at war with Germany.
So like, I think Germany invades Poland, then they take France.
And then apparently Hitler's going, yo, I don't have any intention of going to Great Britain.
Like the real war is going to be East.
That's called the phony war, I believe.
I don't know the term for it.
But yeah, again, so you're listening to this and you're like, wow, I haven't heard this take on this historical event.
And even if you disagree, you're going to read the whole thread.
You're going to go through it.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Like, I'm not even saying it's a pick on you.
Dove would read the whole thread because he'd be so riled up by it.
I just, I understand what he's.
Yeah.
That's how we're paying attention.
We're talking about it right now.
These historians, man.
Just stick to ancient civilizations and aliens with a cloud.
So we know, you know, Jews actually started aliens.
You know that, right?
Really?
You didn't know about this, too?
You didn't know about this.
I believe this.
What's actually, it's interesting you say that.
When there's enough time, you can speak about the historical moment, right?
Yeah.
And nobody really cares.
Like, if somebody's talking about like what, you know, Alexander the Great really did or what he really conquered and someone has an alternative take.
It's not like the Macedonian community is coming out.
Well, actually, technically, his body didn't go to Egypt and it went over here.
And we have maybe a few people, but it's so distant.
It is funny because sometimes you will see people doing this and you're like, wait, what's going on?
Yeah, you know what I mean?
I was talking about Mehenjadara.
What's that?
The Mehenjidara, like this ancient civilization that got destroyed and there's bodies everywhere.
But no, I brought it up and I was like, yeah, it's located in modern-day Pakistan.
And then there's all these comments of people being like, it wasn't Pakistan back then.
That was India.
We built that.
And I'm like, you're, come on.
So, perfect example.
It's like only a small faction of people are going to be like really riled up about it.
And it also doesn't matter.
And it doesn't matter.
But this is so close.
And it is, like he said, part of our accepted mythology.
The Western mythology that is accepted is this.
And when you chip away at that, there are going to be people that are incredibly angry.
One, because they're like, have I been lied to my whole life?
Well, I'd rather not be lied to my whole life.
I'd rather have this guy be a liar, right?
Because I don't want to do all this research and learn all this different reality.
Like, of course, it seems disingenuous to take out specific soundbites to make him look terrible.
Now, he doubles down on other things that I think are very would cause a lot of engagement, but also I would might be seen as racist.
I don't think they're racist per se, but it's this perception that like he has empathy for like the white people in England that like died.
Their ancestors died in World War II.
They fought this war to maintain the idea of what an English person is.
The whole argument is we can't let Germany take us over.
We'll lose our identity as England.
We should die and all these people should die so that our children can grow up with an English identity, something that we preserve for a thousand years.
Doesn't seem racist at all.
Now, he's like, now you have all these immigrants coming in and completely changing what it is to be an English person and an English identity and what is England.
And he's like, well, what the fuck did we do all that fighting for?
What was the purpose of that?
And he thinks a country has the right.
He goes, he goes, his argument is that this is American influence over the West, where Americans' identity is built around accepting immigrants and give us your wheat, give us your hungry.
And we've never had this moment where being an American is this one thing.
It's always been about accepting.
Right.
And we're kind of imposing that on these countries that have existed for thousands of years.
Now people are eating dogs in fucking Enn Palace.
What's going on?
Yeah.
They're coming over here.
So, yeah, I remember.
I was seeing that stuff.
And I was like, okay, this is what the guy is doing.
This is he's catering to a fan base.
He's going to get his money.
Go ahead, buddy.
And I don't, but at the same time, like, I don't, I don't know if that's like a horrible argument.
I think you have to like spend some time in Europe to understand it.
Because if you try to understand through an American lens, it makes no sense at all.
Like, what makes New York amazing is the diversity.
What makes New York amazing are all these different cultures.
We're all living together.
We're sharing culture and we've curated the most amazing city in the world.
It's truly amazing.
He's a comedian with some really interesting premises.
Yeah.
But you shouldn't take him seriously when you go home.
But I don't know if you, I don't know if you believe that.
Because if all of a sudden, again, white people started moving to India and changing what Indian culture is.
Like you've already complained about Indian culture becoming too westernized.
Yeah, but that's Japanese people started coming and then making it a little more Japanese.
I'm going to cut you off because India got imperialized, got conquered.
India was supposed to have an entirely different trajectory.
It got robbed, pillaged, raped, fucked.
Now I have a sensitivity to it.
England didn't get imperialized, robbed, pillaged, raped, fucked by any of these foreigners for sure coming in.
No Indian country.
That's not true.
You're bringing in Indians when you have the British Empire for sure.
But I mean, like, of course, the Roman Empire conquered them.
I mean, not by, but not exactly, not by the people that you don't like.
He doesn't have a problem with Romans, Italians coming over.
No, he does.
He's a problem with Italians.
Yeah.
You think those guys that are rioting.
He's saying each country, like if Italians came and made England Italian, he is an issue with it.
He doesn't like the no-border policy.
He doesn't, so he's like, every country that fought for their identity should be able to uphold that identity.
The people he's defending, they don't have a problem with Italians.
The people he's saying, I understand where they're coming from and sympathizing with.
I'm not going to argue on them.
But that's who he's supporting.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
What I'm just saying, I hear what you're saying, but his argument about a nation being able to fight for its identity.
And if it doesn't, by not accepting large amounts of immigrants, they're looked at as racist.
I don't know if they should be looked at as racist.
If the idea of fighting that war was to preserve the English identity and accepting large groups of people from other countries is naturally going to chip away at that singular identity, I understand the logic behind it.
That could be one of the many emotions, but I do think there's some racism involved in the same way that like they're not going to be upset at the Italian restaurant opening up in their neighborhood.
You've made that argument.
I'm not saying that.
I'm making it.
And this is just what I'm saying earlier.
That's a great premise.
I can't find a ton of holes in it.
A comedian has a great premise.
You can't just find the holes in it.
It's fun.
But we both know at the end of the day, this is not like a real thing this person believes or you should know.
See, I don't like getting into those arguments where it's like, we're going to assume what they really mean.
Like, I'm just trying to have the argument based on the words that are said, which is, does a country like, does Hawaii have the ability to maintain their Hawaiian culture?
And when Western culture starts to come in, or even Japanese culture, where these other cultures start to chip away at the Hawaiian identity, do they have the right to be frustrated with that?
Or are they racist when they're frustrated?
Yeah, but again, you're talking about a colonized place that was in, like, that's where the difference is.
Okay.
It just isn't.
It's decolonization.
Like, just do a thought experiment.
Just do a thought experiment.
Yeah, as a thought experiment, if they had never been colonized, don't worry about it.
Everybody's been colonists.
So that cancels out everybody.
I mean, they're still colonized, like right now.
Okay.
Okay.
This is why these things are so difficult.
It's really hard to just even hypothetically discuss it.
Like if Mexico got mad at a bunch of Americans moving in, I would honestly be like, eh, a country changes.
Like Mexico has been its own country for a long time.
Country changes.
It's not Indians moving into England where it's like, well, we have to come here because you actively took all of our jewels.
They're still in your fucking palace.
So I have more opportunity here.
I'm coming.
You think those jewels are doing anything?
India was a wealthy.
Jewels are going to help 2 billion.
I hate this revisionist history where India was wealthy and now all of a sudden they're broke.
Yeah.
How is that now all of a sudden?
Like, what are you even talking about?
I mean, Africa, like they took all their resources and Africa is still a poor continent.
I mean, like, I just know that you don't have anything to substantiate that.
So it's like, there's no way to we're living in like a world where like there's no way to prove the trajectory would have gone completely positive.
There could have been influences.
I don't know if it's been completely positive, but it would have been.
I said it was just a completely different trajectory.
I didn't say it was worse.
Right.
Completely different trajectory.
They did not have control of.
In that situation with Mexico, like I would totally understand if Mexico is like, hey, I don't want you chipping away at our culture.
I think that is happening a little bit.
I think some Mexicans are mad at the like El Salvadorians come up and like they take over like little enclaves or something.
I was talking about Mexican buddies.
He's like, yeah, like there's like, they have like immigrants that are moving through and they get annoyed by it.
I don't know if it's all of Mexico.
I doubt it.
And again, we're different in especially like New York because this is part of our identity.
We've had these different groups of people that we fully embrace coming in here and becoming part of the fabric of what it is to be an American from the beginning.
Even when we went west, there's Mexicans, there's Native Americans, there's always all these different people.
Even when we're uniting the country, we were colonies of different countries.
So there are different cultures for us to even handle.
You go down to New Orleans and there's like French speakers.
Like there's just all this different stuff that we've had to deal with.
So this is our idea of what a country is.
Some of these scoop the bagel ass people like they get the fucking dialogue.
That's racist.
Get those people out of here.
So I do think we're projecting our idea of like acceptance on other countries that are just like, hey, listen, we've worked thousands of years to curate this identity and we don't want to water that identity down.
And the people that do come in here, and if they end up watering it down, it's not going to be something we like.
And don't call us racist for that.
You tell me if I'm wrong.
Like, let's say a bunch of Chinese people started to move into Italy and they started to like change what it is to be an Italian.
Are they wrong?
Are they racist for that?
No, probably nationalist.
But is that wrong?
I mean, I guess it depends to what degree.
Oh, based on our perspective of a country, that's wrong.
But we also don't have thousands of years of history and like identity built into that.
Like, I don't, I would feel wrong.
Like, I know India is a different example, but like I'd feel like, let's say we, white people, just Europeans started moving into China and slowly changing China and making China more white.
Like, I would, and they were like, hey, we don't like how China is becoming so like westernized.
Like, we're losing our cultural identity.
I wouldn't be like, you fucking racist.
How dare you?
Like, I'd be like, yeah, I get that.
Like, we're coming to your shit and then making your shit ours.
We talk about this with gentrification all the time.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about.
Like, when it comes to gentrification, we unanimously agree it's wrong.
And then when it comes to the gentrification of a country, we don't like it, but we don't stop it.
Yeah, that's true.
But it's oftentimes the people that there don't have the power to stop it.
And if they maybe did have the power, they would do something.
I guess like.
I think it's like a power and affluence thing.
Like, I think powerful countries that don't accept immigrants in large degrees are then seen as xenophobic.
Yes.
Whereas poor countries that don't accept them are seen as protectionist.
They seem like they're conserving their resources and not just letting anyone.
And maybe that's why Italy wouldn't bother me as much.
Also, maybe just Italian culture is cooler to me or whatever.
So the Italy thing, I'm like, I get it more for Italy than England.
England, I also think if you have a problem with the people coming in, that's a little different than saying, hey, if you're going to come here, just assimilate.
If you're going to come here, do our shit.
I wouldn't love that, but I get it.
If you're going to move to my country, embrace our culture, this is what it is.
If they're telling the people, come here and embrace what it is to be English.
Muslims, stop doing that to women.
That's fine.
But when you have a problem with them coming in, it starts to feel different.
So here's the thing.
You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you say, hey, if you come here, you got to take on our traditions and customs.
Like France basically says, hey, you can't wear the hijab.
You can't do that.
Then all of a sudden you're like, well, you're not really a free country.
These people can't even live free.
Right?
Like they're criticized all the time for the lack of freedom that they're giving Muslim women.
I think they said they couldn't wear hijabs during the Olympics.
Like, so they're restricting their freedom.
They're basically saying you're free to be French, but then don't be not French about it.
But then also, they don't want to restrict their own citizens.
So if you're a citizen of France, you can, you have the freedom to reject French shit, but not if you're coming from the outside.
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I guess what I'm trying to say.
I think this notion of a free country is very American.
Okay, that's fair.
Like, I don't know if that's a part of the cultural identity of Western Europe.
Okay, that's fair.
That's fair.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, well, maybe France, liberté, galité, like freedom is part of the liberté, galité, what's the other thing?
Fraternity.
Fraternité.
Yeah.
So like freedom is in the slogan for the country.
I just don't know if it's built into the cultural ethos the way it is in America.
Okay, fair.
I guess what I'm trying to say is like, this is a very difficult conversation.
Not difficult maybe, but prickly conversation where every side has like decent justification.
And I think all too often, because we don't want to have the conversation, we're like, ah, you're a racist.
Yeah, shut up.
You're racist.
I don't know if that is.
And I don't think I would call a country racist if I was the one coming into their country and trying to change it to making it easier, to make it easier for me.
And they were like, and they were rejecting that.
I wouldn't call them racist.
I would be like, that's inconvenient to me because I want my shit, but you're not racist for that.
I am coming to your country trying to change it to make it good for me.
I feel like that's a little, that's a little much.
Like, I'm going to your shit, trying to make it more comfortable for me.
And when it's not, you're racist.
Yeah, I think it is a power thing, though.
Like, if you're coming from America, it's like, oh, yeah, you're already coming from like a superpower.
Yeah.
If you're coming from a much worse off country that's still developing, then I think people would be like, oh, why can't you help the needy?
Like, I think like these concepts of like.
That's a, that's an American, that, and that was the argument he was making.
This is an American identity that we are putting on European countries that have fought for thousands of years to not have.
Like, there's a reason they got borders out there in Europe because millions of people have lost their lives over thousands of years to watch out those borders so they can keep their languages and their cultures.
They're like, I don't want to be French.
I'm from Switzerland, but we almost speak the same language.
I don't fuck with you.
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a new idea.
No question.
I think like a thousand years ago, if you lived in Rome, or 2,000 years ago, if you lived in Rome, like your ethnicity didn't really matter so long as you assimilated to being Roman.
Like, I don't think they had the same even understanding of like race and ethnicity the way that we do now.
I don't think they saw people as like, oh, you are an African person or you are an Asian person.
I think they were like, you are Roman or not Roman.
And so.
Is that fair?
Unless you were Jewish and the push of the ghetto.
Yeah.
Even back then?
Yeah.
But it was fine.
But I think these are like, I think it's not necessarily built to like racialized lines as the way it is now.
I think the idea of ethnicity was different.
So I think that that is uniquely American, the idea of ethnicity because of the way America developed through colonization.
Like the idea of race and like blackness and whiteness kind of comes out of that, to my understanding.
And so now that race is sort of constructed, I think it has been exported to other countries where it's like now they're grappling with this idea of racism without necessarily the historical heritage of racism as we've had in America.
Yeah.
So whether or not they should or shouldn't, I think is like up for debate.
I don't know if it's necessarily settled.
But don't you think that like part of the ethos of America to accept you're hungry, you're weak.
That wasn't part of the ethos of these other countries.
I think the only time they were accepting immigrants is when it was beneficial to them when they needed cheap labor.
And I will say, like, if a country like France needs cheap labor because their people won't work and they ask these people from foreign countries to come in, that is a very different situation than if they're being benevolent and bringing people in that need help.
If you're being benevolent, you're truly just helping people, then you want to add the expectation you want to add the expectation of, hey, fall in line with what this country is.
That's fair.
But if you're bringing them in so you can pay them almost slave labor, and then you're on top of that going, but also it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't have it both ways.
Again, it's just a fucking, it's a tricky one.
It's a tricky conversation that we like immediately label people and make radioactive.
But if you really kind of zoom out, it's not that, it's not that immediately.
Yeah, it's probably more nuanced.
I also just know nothing about European immigration policy.
And also, I think the understanding of like what is and isn't racist, I do think is culturally tethered.
Like we don't necessarily have colorism in the same way as it exists in like Brazil and parts of South America.
But like it's that exists there.
So what they would consider is racist is probably slightly different than what we would consider it as.
And I think it is tied to like the violence that your history has gone through.
And I would also say to Akash's point, it's like, if you have colon, like England, I have far less empathy for.
And like France, I have far less empathy for us because if you have colonized these nations and you have, I'm not saying like they deserve to be there, but a lot of these, I think the communities of these countries that grew within England did it when these countries were still part of the empire.
What is it called?
The British Empire?
Yeah, there's a there's a name for it.
I don't forget the name, but like Jamaica, for example, I think was part of the British Empire.
Even Canada was still loosely the Commonwealth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Australia.
The Cayman Islands.
Yeah.
So, like these people going back to, you know, the homeland, if you will, it's not their homeland, but it's the homeland of the center of their government, the center of their decision-making.
I don't think that you can fault them in any way for that, especially when you've controlled those regions and you're extrapolating resources.
Yeah, so I think that is that's where I feel like it's a little bit different.
But if it's a country that you have no connection to at all, I get it more.
Then I get where they're coming from more.
That's okay.
Then that's that was my point about India.
And I sorry for being reductive about your point.
No, that's fine, but this strikes me every time I go to India, like the infrastructure is fucked and all of that.
But it was a country that once they got freedom, not only had everything been kind of plundered, they got 400 million people when they start the country.
It's a lot.
America starts with 13 colonies.
I want a thousand people and then it expands and it gets to build up everything as it expands.
India starts with no money and 400 million people.
They got more people then than we have in America now.
It's incredibly different.
One-sixth of the landmass.
So every time that strikes me, and it's like, yeah, I get if I got to go to England, some of this is your fault.
Maybe not all of it.
Some of this is your fault.
I'm bringing my shit over in the same way that you feel about the labor.
It's like, this is.
Yeah.
I do think, yeah, I don't know.
That's why, yeah.
That's why it's almost like a shame.
No, it's not a shame.
Like, I like the fact that this information is available on a podcast for everybody to consume.
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Maybe the problem is like Tucker is so radioactive in the perception of him that even a conversation like this is going to be viewed through the lens of that radioactivity.
You know, like if this guy maybe, maybe, is talking to some fucking NPR PBS nerd or something like that.
John Stewart.
Or even like, here's an alternative take on this.
And I understand that this is going to be inflammatory, but let's try to extrapolate this without name calling and give me pushback.
You need healthy pushback, is what I was going to say.
Instead of Tucker going, yeah, where's the fucking Nuremberg trials for this?
Then it starts to look a little bit weird.
Yeah, he's like excited about it.
Do you think he knew what he was doing in that point?
The one that is going back to the killing of people during World War II, did he specify Jews or civilians and POWs?
Because I think what happens is like groups that have been pushing like this is the history of the Holocaust.
They're saying we have this proven.
And then he's bringing up a point about some German officer who was talking maybe about some civilians and POWs in Russia and they didn't understand like what to do with them.
And that's the point he's making versus like the Germans had a plan for many, many, many years to kill the Jews.
Like that's just fucking proven.
And Tucker's not there to like call him out on that point.
Was he choosing to not specify because he knew this could get some action?
I think here's, I think this is the reality.
None of us had ever heard another take outside of the Germans had a plan to kill all the Jews.
None of us have ever heard it.
And then he comes out and he's like, yeah, that wasn't their original plan.
That wasn't their, he goes, that wasn't their original plan.
And none of us can cite a book or a speech or anything where Hitler goes, yeah, that's my plan to kill all the Jews.
But he's the way he was talking about.
Hold on, hold on.
Here's the question.
And this will be the deciding factor.
Can you cite a line where that was said?
So the argument of what I read after that.
The answer is no.
No, he quoting.
He was quoting one German officer that said this, and other people are like this.
You're salading.
That's not what I asked you.
And this is why what these guys do is so effective is they can attack the accepted truths that none of us have even bothered to research because we've accepted because we've accepted as truth.
None of us have even, you would, no one even would go.
Let's see if Hitler actually said that.
We're like, of course he said he did it.
He murdered six million fucking Jews.
Like, I don't need proof of it.
The proof is right there.
My father went to all the concentration camps.
He saw it.
And so, just to substantiate what he said, he's not saying this guy is right.
He's just saying we can't prove him wrong because we've accepted it as right.
So we don't do the research to refute that.
You can't prove it.
We haven't done the research.
Watch this.
It's like this.
It's like this.
If he came up to me, he's like, you know, you were really born September 23rd.
I go, what?
He's, yeah, you were born, you know.
I go, no, I was born October 30th.
He's like, no, that's just what your parents told you.
Yeah, it's very told you.
Like, you know, there's a report from the hospital at Mount Sinai that there was an Andrew Schultz born on the 23rd.
I don't have any information.
But you have the birth certificate.
What?
You have the birth certificate.
But I don't have it on me.
I'd have to call my mom.
I'd have to find.
So you know what I'm saying?
Like, you right now, all of us now have to go and look for when Hitler's like, we have to kill all of them.
And this is the plan.
And Goebbels or whatever his name is saying, hey, this is our plan.
Let's put them all down.
We have to go find that because it was just an accepted piece of knowledge that, and I'm sure there's hundreds of times out there where they were like, explicitly, this is our goal that we're going to do.
But because we don't know the page of fucking MindCom for whatever propaganda journal they're putting out, because we don't have it.
We don't have to react to everything in real time.
We don't have to react to every piece of information.
But that thing has come out for weeks and none of us have gone and done the research.
Like that's more what I'm trying to say.
And I agree with you.
We don't have to, but that's why it's effective.
Because one, there's a whole bunch of anti-Semites on the internet that would love for his shit to be true.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
But two, because we just accepted this reality that he threw a fucking nuclear bomb in the middle of, and then none of us could defend it in that moment.
Yeah.
Every World War II historian is trying to debate the guy, which to me shows that he's a little bit of a Fugesi.
But that's what I was saying.
He had chose the language in that moment to not specify Jews so that they could say, wait, I was talking about bodied by a World War II journalist, 100%.
But what he is exposing, which I think is interesting, is that accepted cultural mythology is something most of us cannot defend because it is so accepted and it's so ubiquitous that you would never even get pushback from a person.
Like in our life, you would never think to this what we all are taught.
It's what we all agree on.
We've all agreed upon this as a society.
Who needs to find any evidence to support something we've all agreed on as a society?
It's like everybody in the world is religious.
I don't got to prove God exists.
There's no atheist.
Great, exactly.
And then if one guy's like, God doesn't really, especially when the start of the episode is like this guy Tucker is putting on a platform.
This is the real voice, the greatest historian.
You're like, and that's where you stop.
I did all the work when I was a kid and watching the movies.
And now all of a sudden, one podcast and it's all fucking up.
And to Andrew's point, this might have been a cool, interesting discussion if you had someone who was willing to give him pushback and have a healthy discourse.
Hey, let's see what's on friendly terms.
You're providing an alternate point of view.
I obviously don't agree with it.
Let's talk this out.
Because if somebody was well-versed enough to be like, okay, I know what you're referencing with that message, but here's a clear letter from Hitler to Goebbels where he says the only path forward is to eradicate the Jewish people.
What do you say to that?
And then he goes, And for all those listening at home, that's what happened.
The Wancy Conference, final solution, all that stuff's real.
Well, but that's that's great that like you can reference it, but like let's find that, like find the line.
And that completely discredits what this guy says.
You also don't need to know everything, though.
Like if someone brings up a counterpoint, like I think one thing is you can just be like, oh, I've never looked into this.
I don't know the information offhand.
I need to think about it.
Yeah.
Like, I think not knowing is also fun.
And then also not needing to know, being like, this doesn't really affect me.
It's not above my line of, you know, personal intrigue.
Like, it doesn't really matter at the current past.
So I'm not going to look at that.
I think that that's a great point just for life in general.
I think with this specific thing that like there is so much cultural mythology built in specifically for Jews to like hear this alternative version of what something that is like so near and dear to their identity, their parents' identity, like to hear this other take where it's kind of like flippantly thrown out that they weren't really targeted.
They were just part of the prisoners of war.
I think that's...
And I think when deconstructing cultural mythology, I think you should take care to try to couch it in what your intention is.
So like, okay, here's the thing that's going to go against what you think.
This is not trying to justify like the flagrant anti-Semitism that's been happening and pervasive in culture lately.
This is not trying to say that the Jews did World War II.
This is just to bring up a more nuanced counterpoint to this one specific thing.
And you can use that to frame your belief unless you are trying to cause that point.
But like he said, and I thought that this was the most telling part of the whole interview, and this is the lens I look through it.
Like he said to his friend, I wanted to antagonize him.
I wanted to speak hyperbolically.
And I think that is what he gets off on.
I think this guy loves the fact that the internet is going crazy because that's why he looks at, that's why he defended Jim Jones and that whole thing.
It was completely misrepresented.
He was actually a civil rights hero.
Like, this is what he does.
Like we were saying, it's a comedian taking a contrarian take.
Wasn't he an intelligence officer?
I think he was.
But I think that's contrary to what the goal of a historian should be.
I think it should be ideally trying to look at truth and examine it and not to antagonize people.
He's doing it for him.
Yeah.
His goal is him.
I don't know why he's doing it.
But if that is the case, to antagonize instead of truth, I think it's.
I think we can safely extrapolate he's in it to make money as opposed to be a historian.
I don't know.
Well, I don't know.
I don't even know if it's money, Akash.
I literally think it might be.
He said it for him.
He said it better.
There's an ego thing there.
Whereas if you're a true historian, ideally, it has nothing to do with you.
Yeah.
You understand how small you are.
Yeah.
Like you're honoring the events.
Yeah.
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