Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Schulz Reacts: Kanye & Playboi Carti DELIVERED | F2 Patreon Clip
Aired: 2022-02-25
Duration: 15:57


=== Rushed Execution and Team Dynamics (06:24) ===

[00:00:00]  what up people sheltered here and you guys are about to listen to a clip from our weekly patreon episode if you want to sign up to our patreon support the flagrancy support what we are doing completely uncensored flagrant content you go to patreon.com slash flagrant2 with no more interruptions here is the exclusive clip did you guys like dondo mark two i only watched like part of the music video just like the highlights I don't understand.
[00:00:29]  At first I thought the set was fire.
[00:00:30]  Okay.
[00:00:32]  House, water, lit as fuck.
[00:00:34]  Okay.
[00:00:35]  What?
[00:00:36]  Did you see that?
[00:00:38]  I did.
[00:00:38]  I was the first person to saw it.
[00:00:40]  By bus.
[00:00:42]  What do you mean?
[00:00:42]  I bought a platform before you did.
[00:00:44]  No, I was looking at it the whole time.
[00:00:46]  We're in here editing.
[00:00:47]  Isn't that nice?
[00:00:48]  Must be nice, huh?
[00:00:49]  Yeah, it must be.
[00:00:50]  Yeah.
[00:00:51]  Piece of shit.
[00:00:52]  But no, I thought it was fire.
[00:00:53]  I thought visually it was sick.
[00:00:55]  I didn't hear any of the songs and I didn't hear any song that was new.
[00:00:58]  I just heard all the old songs.
[00:01:00]  No, he had a couple of new ones on there.
[00:01:01]  I didn't even notice them.
[00:01:03]  I didn't hear any clips from it.
[00:01:04]  Nothing.
[00:01:05]  And then the sound engineers apparently all got fired.
[00:01:08]  That's what people have been saying.
[00:01:10]  They should.
[00:01:10]  They should have.
[00:01:11]  They fucked it up.
[00:01:11]  What?
[00:01:12]  They fucked up.
[00:01:13]  You look like Kanye, honestly, when Kanye was standing there just fuming, so heated, standing there through his fucking microphone.
[00:01:20]  That's what I look like every weekend when everyone literally have to go through the fucking okay.
[00:01:27]  So we thought visually it was very interesting.
[00:01:30]  Obviously, the performance wasn't incredible.
[00:01:32]  There were some mic issues, etc.
[00:01:35]  What I'm curious about in terms of his team is like, he just fires people.
[00:01:40]  Who rehires all the necessary people?
[00:01:44]  Yeah, I don't even understand.
[00:01:44]  He's handling all that.
[00:01:45]  Like, he's coming up with these ideas, right?
[00:01:48]  There's no way he knows how to like call all these different businesses and execute said ideas.
[00:01:52]  Running a stadium-sized show like that is like insane.
[00:01:54]  Logistically, so who's really doing all this?
[00:01:57]  And who's taking his ideas and turning them into reality?
[00:02:01]  That's what I'm curious about.
[00:02:02]  Yeah, he has a chief of staff.
[00:02:04]  I know someone that was on that team, like a chief of staff.
[00:02:06]  And then he's got like, that's the creative director.
[00:02:08]  That's the fashion person.
[00:02:09]  That's the touring person.
[00:02:10]  That's the design.
[00:02:11]  What happens when he fires everybody?
[00:02:13]  People waving the wings.
[00:02:14]  I don't know.
[00:02:15]  And then does he call new people?
[00:02:16]  Like, I don't see him doing anything outside of like thinking of creative stuff and then just kind of like spewing them at people.
[00:02:24]  And then they go actually make it happen.
[00:02:27]  Yeah.
[00:02:28]  That's what I assume it is.
[00:02:28]  I'm really curious about those people that can execute his vision.
[00:02:33]  Well, I think it's like, you know how he's always name-dropping big icons in fashion and tech and all of this?
[00:02:37]  I'm sure he has this person that says, get me the meetings with all of those people on those teams.
[00:02:43]  And I think he's just building up all, I mean, he just knows these folks, like these like lighting designers that would do that show.
[00:02:49]  That was stunning.
[00:02:50]  And there's people around him that I assume that just want to be around him.
[00:02:53]  Yeah.
[00:02:53]  Like watching the Kanye doc, it's like, bro, this guy lifted his whole life.
[00:02:57]  I mean, Grant, I don't know what he's doing in Chicago, but like changed his whole life, moved to New York just to follow Kanye around as like a nobody producer rapper person.
[00:03:04]  He knows all the Virgil Ablos.
[00:03:06]  Like you just know that he's got his finger there.
[00:03:09]  And anyone would be like, yo, I'll fucking take shit from Kanye for a month to just work with him.
[00:03:14]  I'm just saying, I'm very impressed with execution.
[00:03:16]  Everybody's got ideas.
[00:03:18]  Few people have good ideas.
[00:03:19]  Even fewer people have incredible ideas.
[00:03:22]  But executing ideas is hard.
[00:03:26]  And obviously it gets easier as you become more famous, right?
[00:03:30]  Because you have the funds to do it.
[00:03:32]  But that's what we saw on the concert.
[00:03:34]  The execution of the audio side was.
[00:03:37]  And he does a lot of stuff rushed.
[00:03:39]  I don't think this show was planned that far in advance.
[00:03:42]  Like the tickets just went on sale the day before.
[00:03:46]  So it's like.
[00:03:48]  That's funny.
[00:03:50]  Yeah.
[00:03:50]  So it's like, if you're rushing a show in a fucking arena, something's bound to go wrong.
[00:03:56]  I'm surprised it looked as good as it did.
[00:03:58]  Yeah.
[00:03:58]  Plus, the live stream component, like live switching, you have basically like a whole like TV production arm that's like manning all the cams and live streaming and switching everything to all the different platforms.
[00:04:09]  It was on Instagram, it was on stemplayer.com, it was on Amazon Music.
[00:04:13]  Who's doing movie theaters?
[00:04:15]  Well, he set up that company is a creative agency.
[00:04:18]  He set up a creative agency for this reason, and then you start just adding these things.
[00:04:23]  So he's been planning this for a long time.
[00:04:24]  And he's spending a ton of money.
[00:04:25]  I mean, literally, he outed one of the guys on Instagram for spending too much money.
[00:04:32]  That person was probably like top in his field and running and shit.
[00:04:35]  Ciao.
[00:04:36]  Yeah.
[00:04:37]  Yeah.
[00:04:37]  He at the rate and pace that he's going, he's spending crazy amount of money.
[00:04:42]  So he's just blowing crazy, Brett.
[00:04:44]  He's not going into like contract negotiation with these different vendors and trying to find a way to get a lot of people.
[00:04:48]  Let me try to get a deal.
[00:04:50]  We need this.
[00:04:51]  How much is it?
[00:04:52]  Sure.
[00:04:52]  Yeah.
[00:04:53]  Got you.
[00:04:54]  Okay.
[00:04:54]  That makes a little bit more sense.
[00:04:55]  But I don't know.
[00:04:56]  Maybe I'm alone in this, but aren't you guys impressed that like, yeah, it can be done.
[00:05:00]  Yeah.
[00:05:01]  Like, I don't know to me.
[00:05:02]  Yeah.
[00:05:03]  But he also just has the clout money and like legacy just to speak things into existence and they get done.
[00:05:08]  Yeah.
[00:05:08]  And that's, I think that's the biggest part because without the clout, no one's going to take that.
[00:05:14]  Shut down their whole life and then go do it.
[00:05:15]  Yeah.
[00:05:16]  I mean, we have a buddy of ours, kid super, who uh was telling me he went, he was telling us that he went to work with him for a couple weeks.
[00:05:23]  And like he said it was, it was a, well, he was a big fan of Kanye.
[00:05:26]  I wonder if we can even share this.
[00:05:27]  Yeah, I'm sure we can.
[00:05:29]  But he was like, it was dope.
[00:05:30]  Like, he just like said, hey, go cook up some cool stuff.
[00:05:36]  You have ideas?
[00:05:37]  Come on, hit me with ideas.
[00:05:38]  Like, it wasn't an actual structured job, but he also did say he fired the whole team while he was there.
[00:05:43]  Oh, wow.
[00:05:43]  Yeah.
[00:05:43]  Including the person who was supposed to pay him.
[00:05:45]  Oh, wow.
[00:05:46]  Yeah.
[00:05:46]  So he didn't get paid.
[00:05:47]  I was like, did you get paid?
[00:05:48]  He's like, that guy got fired.
[00:05:51]  Yeah.
[00:05:52]  Wow.
[00:05:52]  And I'm sure he could hit up the new person or whatever it was, but like, I don't know.
[00:05:56]  I'm just so fascinated with who's running that.
[00:05:59]  Just from building this, like all of us building this, the organization and like the structure and that kind of stuff, that is the most foreign stuff for me.
[00:06:09]  Like it's easy to get a bunch of us here and like work on a group project.
[00:06:13]  That's easy.
[00:06:13]  That's fun.
[00:06:14]  Then you start to grow it beyond the team and that gets difficult.
[00:06:18]  Just finding the right people, hiring people.
[00:06:21]  Like he got over this hump where he just fires everybody.

=== The Peloton Funding Reality Check (03:50) ===

[00:06:24]  Yeah.
[00:06:25]  That's fucking you're asking someone to commit their life, change something.
[00:06:30]  Like those people he fired probably gave up everything.
[00:06:32]  Yeah.
[00:06:32]  Yeah.
[00:06:32]  To go work for him.
[00:06:33]  But he's got the cloud that you can just call up someone and be like, yo, Kanye West wants me to go to Chicago to work on this thing.
[00:06:38]  I'm gone.
[00:06:38]  But don't you care a little about them?
[00:06:40]  Their families?
[00:06:41]  Like, I know they're just like, oh, that's a different level of narcissism, like where it's just like, whatever it takes to get me to do my thing.
[00:06:50]  Yeah.
[00:06:50]  And I don't care.
[00:06:52]  Like, matter of fact, if you fucked it up, that's on you.
[00:06:55]  And all those people were trying their best.
[00:06:58]  But like, and ultimately they fucked it up.
[00:07:00]  Don't get me wrong.
[00:07:00]  I'm just saying, like, oof.
[00:07:02]  Yeah.
[00:07:03]  Like those people that can do that, like the people that work for those corporations and they lay off 30,000 people on a Monday.
[00:07:08]  Yeah.
[00:07:08]  This guy, the guy that did it on Zoom, like however many people, like 2,000 people are just like, so well, we're terminating this whole department.
[00:07:15]  Yeah.
[00:07:16]  And they're all just like looking at fucking Macs they can't afford like fuck and Peloton.
[00:07:22]  Yeah.
[00:07:23]  Yeah.
[00:07:23]  What happened with Peloton?
[00:07:24]  They like laid off 2,800 employees and just gave them a free subscription at the end.
[00:07:30]  Yeah.
[00:07:30]  You're going to have some extra time.
[00:07:31]  I don't know if it was just that, but that was like a part of the package or whatever.
[00:07:34]  Yo, that's a, I mean, like, we'll get back to Don in a second, but like, that's a tricky thing about Peloton.
[00:07:38]  Like, anybody who's used Peloton acknowledges it's awesome.
[00:07:42]  Like, you used to work out Peloton.
[00:07:44]  You're still doing Peloton.
[00:07:46]  No, I actually sold my interesting in solidarity.
[00:07:50]  Like the working class.
[00:07:51]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:07:53]  I don't know.
[00:07:53]  I thought it was phenomenal.
[00:07:56]  I think the organization of it, the classes of it, the motivation.
[00:07:59]  I mean, I'm fortunate enough where I get to like work out with a person.
[00:08:02]  Yeah.
[00:08:02]  But if I couldn't, like being able to have that access, which is great.
[00:08:06]  It's one of those things where it's like, this is a CEO problem, not a actual business problem.
[00:08:12]  And that's what the CEO is the one that came in and fired folks.
[00:08:15]  Yeah.
[00:08:15]  I don't know if it's a CEO problem.
[00:08:16]  Go, go.
[00:08:17]  I think it was, it was hype.
[00:08:19]  So so many people bought it early.
[00:08:21]  We're buying an overpriced piece of equipment.
[00:08:26]  Like we know it's overpriced.
[00:08:27]  And then eventually after having it a while, it's like, this is good.
[00:08:31]  It runs great, but it's too expensive for what it is.
[00:08:36]  You can get an exercise bike, attach an iPad to it, and like it's a fraction of the price.
[00:08:42]  Well, that's what they also offer.
[00:08:43]  Like for me, it wasn't really the bikes.
[00:08:45]  It was the workout classes.
[00:08:46]  I would just put my phone up on a treadmill on the road and then do the whole class from the treadmill.
[00:08:51]  That's like $40 a month for those classes are what's added and more expensive.
[00:08:55]  And then people might be financing the bike.
[00:08:57]  But actually, when they pitched and got their initial investment, they sold it not as a bike company.
[00:09:03]  It was literally one of the old spinning bikes with an iPad attached and says, this is a multi-billion dollar content media company.
[00:09:10]  So that's what like the new Pelotons, the screen turns around so it can be for the floor exercises.
[00:09:15]  Yeah, I had that one.
[00:09:16]  The overpriced treadmill that Andrew almost got eaten by, that doesn't make sense.
[00:09:21]  I don't know how many people are buying $4,000.
[00:09:23]  No, but even the bike, I have the bike that turned, or I had the bike that turned, and it was $28 when I first started.
[00:09:27]  Oh, you didn't buy the $60 Amazon piece that just lets you front it on the version one?
[00:09:31]  No.
[00:09:32]  Loser.
[00:09:34]  That one didn't have Beyonce.
[00:09:35]  I'm not going to get that.
[00:09:36]  That's a good ass point.
[00:09:36]  Come on, bro.
[00:09:37]  That's a good ass point.
[00:09:38]  But like a few months later, it was down to $1,900.
[00:09:42]  So the price of the bike kept dropping.
[00:09:45]  And now we're realizing like, oh, it's not worth that much.
[00:09:48]  Now, do you think it's possible that the value of the company, like many companies, was inflated because of the pandemic?
[00:09:56]  Absolutely.
[00:09:57]  And then they built their business and expectations on that inflated.
[00:10:01]  On that inflated price.
[00:10:02]  So now we're seeing a like regression to the mean, like where the actual true value is for the company, but they're freaking out like something's wrong.
[00:10:11]  And it's like, fam, you were never that lucrative.

=== Jordan, Trauma, and CTE Concerns (05:42) ===

[00:10:14]  Yeah.
[00:10:14]  Like maybe you would grow to that one day, but of course people are going to go on Peloton when they're literally can't leave their house.
[00:10:20]  It's illegal to go to the gym.
[00:10:21]  Illegal to go to the gym.
[00:10:22]  And the second gyms open up, you know, we're going to want it extra.
[00:10:26]  We're back in the gym.
[00:10:26]  We're working out.
[00:10:27]  We're realizing how much these classes are great.
[00:10:29]  We're going to our trainer, et cetera.
[00:10:30]  That's going to cool off too.
[00:10:32]  Yeah.
[00:10:32]  So these gyms are popping now as well.
[00:10:34]  They're going to get that 30%.
[00:10:36]  They're going to get the 30% boost where the dip came for Peloton and these other maybe like workout, other kind of like workout exercise apps, et cetera.
[00:10:44]  That's going to come back down.
[00:10:46]  And then maybe Peloton comes back up.
[00:10:48]  Just not as high as it was during the pandemic.
[00:10:51]  Maybe they meet in the middle or something.
[00:10:53]  Maybe a more honest like evaluation of what their product and company is worth.
[00:10:56]  100%.
[00:10:57]  Because it's fucking like if you got bred, it is fucking convenient to just have that shit right there.
[00:11:01]  You have 30 minutes.
[00:11:02]  You can go in and know there's a 30-minute workout.
[00:11:04]  Yeah.
[00:11:05]  Dude.
[00:11:05]  Yeah, it was convenient.
[00:11:06]  It was fire.
[00:11:07]  I loved it.
[00:11:08]  It just once shit started opening up.
[00:11:10]  It's like the gym's still better.
[00:11:11]  Yeah.
[00:11:12]  It is better.
[00:11:12]  Yeah.
[00:11:13]  Being with a person is 100% better.
[00:11:16]  But this convenience is valuable.
[00:11:17]  Yeah.
[00:11:18]  Yeah.
[00:11:19]  Okay.
[00:11:19]  But on Kanye, you should watch the duck.
[00:11:21]  Yeah, I got to watch it.
[00:11:22]  I got to watch it.
[00:11:23]  It's a cool cultural moment, like that he's like putting on all this shit, like the stem player, the music video, and then he has like the dock that's going to drop in like multiple parts.
[00:11:33]  I think over time, like as the episodes drop, there's going to be more things that are revealed that I think will like drive convo and like eyeballs.
[00:11:40]  Yeah.
[00:11:40]  That I just think is like, will be an interesting moment to be experiencing in real time.
[00:11:45]  Okay.
[00:11:45]  I'll make sure I'll watch it.
[00:11:46]  This is going to be his Jordan dock.
[00:11:48]  That is big.
[00:11:49]  This is hoop dreams, though.
[00:11:50]  This is a different story.
[00:11:51]  Yeah, but it's still different.
[00:11:52]  The story is different, but I think it changes people's perception of time.
[00:11:56]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:11:56]  But go back to what Jordan did.
[00:11:58]  I mean, I don't know if this was good for Jordan.
[00:12:01]  That's my point.
[00:12:02]  I don't know if it'll be good for Kanye.
[00:12:03]  Oh, it's really that honest?
[00:12:05]  The first episode is amazing, but it's like, I could see it dark.
[00:12:08]  But it is honest, though, in the sense that it's like, yo, this is a kid from Chicago.
[00:12:12]  Like, this is his relationship with his mom.
[00:12:13]  Like, it feels vulnerable.
[00:12:14]  And if it continues to be that vulnerable, then it would reflect the truth of his character, which is both good and bad.
[00:12:20]  Yes.
[00:12:21]  So I think at the end of the day, it will be good for him because people will understand his outbursts a little bit more.
[00:12:27]  Yeah, probably.
[00:12:28]  And I think the Jordan dock was good for Jordan because he had a whole generation that didn't know how great he was.
[00:12:34]  So even though we saw some asshole sides of him, it's like at the end of the day, it was over.
[00:12:39]  And I wonder if Jordan and maybe Kanye are okay with that because they understand what it takes to be great.
[00:12:44]  Yeah.
[00:12:45]  So they're like, yeah, this is the cost.
[00:12:46]  Yeah.
[00:12:47]  Well, you think you're just a sweetheart?
[00:12:48]  Like, I'm not a politician.
[00:12:50]  Yeah.
[00:12:51]  Right?
[00:12:51]  Like, they're going, I'm a basketball player.
[00:12:53]  I'm an entertainer.
[00:12:54]  In order to do this at the highest level, it requires sacrifices.
[00:12:58]  I'm not here to be liked by everybody.
[00:12:59]  Yeah.
[00:13:00]  Where a politician, something like that coming out, it would be absolutely devastating.
[00:13:03]  Yeah.
[00:13:04]  Jordan still has that drive in him.
[00:13:05]  Like you said at the all-star game, he told Manchester.
[00:13:08]  Yeah, yeah, lace him up.
[00:13:09]  Yeah, you beat AIDS, be me.
[00:13:12]  I missed that line.
[00:13:13]  I said that shit.
[00:13:14]  Beat AIDS, be me.
[00:13:15]  Whoa, 100% crazy.
[00:13:18]  Do you know when this Kanye doc ends?
[00:13:19]  Because if it's this guy, Cootie, that was following him forever.
[00:13:22]  No, when in his career journey, no, no, no, I don't.
[00:13:25]  Because if it's ending before he's even with the Kardashians or before he went a little kooky, this is only going to make him look spectacular.
[00:13:32]  Yeah, we don't know.
[00:13:32]  Oh, yeah.
[00:13:33]  It's the glory days of Kanye.
[00:13:34]  The director is that guy Kootie that's been with him since like he's been with late 90s, early 2000s.
[00:13:39]  So that's all hoop dreams and that's all phenomenal.
[00:13:42]  Everyone's going to be a fan of Kanye.
[00:13:43]  It's just also excellent.
[00:13:44]  Like in the way documentary filmmaking is like creating.
[00:13:46]  Make me feel however the modern Kanye does not speak on this first episode.
[00:13:51]  This is not him commenting.
[00:13:52]  This is literally just voiceover and archival from the perspective of Sky Falls.
[00:13:57]  I mean, he speaks a little and the way he talks is so different.
[00:14:00]  Like, did you notice that?
[00:14:01]  Like, he's talking like...
[00:14:02]  Old Kanye speaks.
[00:14:03]  Yeah, like an 80.
[00:14:04]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:14:05]  What do you mean by that?
[00:14:06]  He just sounds like an 18-year-old kid that grew up in Chicago.
[00:14:08]  Like he sound, like, he speaks with like a Chicago dialect.
[00:14:10]  Like, he's speaking like, like, he, it's interesting because you see the influence of like living in Chicago, but also having like academic parents.
[00:14:18]  Yeah.
[00:14:18]  And like how he's trying to deal with that as like a person.
[00:14:21]  I don't know.
[00:14:22]  It's just really interesting.
[00:14:22]  He also had a retainer in his mouth the whole time until the accident put a fucking bar through his mouth.
[00:14:27]  Yeah.
[00:14:27]  Oh, he had a retainer.
[00:14:28]  Yeah.
[00:14:30]  Before the accident.
[00:14:31]  Yeah.
[00:14:32]  You think that accident, now that we know like the effects of CTE and that kind of stuff, you think the accident has done something to his mental health?
[00:14:39]  I think it was a jaw break, but did it break?
[00:14:41]  Dude, it's your jaw.
[00:14:43]  If you create enough force to crack your jaw, your brain is going to shake in your skull.
[00:14:47]  Yeah.
[00:14:47]  If you're already predisposed to mental health issues, like having CTE can perpetuate and like exacerbate that.
[00:14:53]  Is that right?
[00:14:54]  I think so, yeah.
[00:14:54]  If you're predisposed to that type of thing, like head trauma can because some people get a bunch of shit.
[00:14:59]  Get a bunch of head injuries and like the encephalopathy doesn't actually manifest the same way.
[00:15:02]  I think also the death of his mother that we all know.
[00:15:04]  I think you just made that shit up.
[00:15:06]  I think you just made that shit.
[00:15:09]  Encyclopedia or something like that.
[00:15:10]  What does CTE stand talk about?
[00:15:12]  That's the end part.
[00:15:13]  That's the E.
[00:15:14]  No.
[00:15:15]  Yeah, that's when your head turns to Swiss cheese.
[00:15:19]  That's not what CTE stands for.
[00:15:21]  I thought it did.
[00:15:22]  No, I thought it said it's a chance to be a child.
[00:15:23]  Chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
[00:15:26]  But what does it actually mean?
[00:15:27]  Chinese terrorism.
[00:15:30]  Encephalopathy.
[00:15:31]  Encephalopathy.
[00:15:35]  That's what it really is for.
[00:15:37]  My bad.
[00:15:38]  Fucking sellout.
[00:15:39]  Makes sense.
[00:15:41]  But yeah, Kanye Dog is fire.
[00:15:43]  You should watch.
[00:15:43]  Yeah, we always talk about that with Antonio Brown.
[00:15:45]  We talk about those with these athletes.
[00:15:48]  I wonder if there's something that happened.
[00:15:50]  I mean, that's like a huge accident we're talking about.
[00:15:52]  Yeah, they cover the next episode.
[00:15:54]  I don't actually know how bad it was.
[00:15:55]  Massive brain damage,