Flagrant - Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh - Schulz reacts: Whoopi Goldberg SUSPENDED For Jewish Comments Aired: 2022-02-04 Duration: 12:39 === Defining Race and Latinos (04:10) === [00:00:00] What up people? [00:00:00] Sheltie here and you guys are about to listen to a clip from our weekly Patreon episode. [00:00:04] If you want to sign up to our Patreon, support the flagrancy, support what we are doing. [00:00:08] Completely uncensored, flagrant content. [00:00:12] You go to patreon.com/slash flagrant two. [00:00:15] With no more interruptions, here is the exclusive clip. [00:00:20] Whoopee Goldberg was Whoopi Goldberg was suspended from her job at the View because of her comments on the Holocaust. [00:00:33] Specifically, those comments being that she did not see Jewish people as a race. [00:00:39] She thought that the Holocaust was about white people killing white people and the evils of humanity. [00:00:46] Yeah, I thought that's what she was saying was a more macro view, which is, oh, hey, listen, at the end of the day, it's just people treating people inhumanely, regardless of race. [00:00:54] Yeah. [00:00:54] Which you could say about anything, which is always a dumb thing. [00:00:56] I don't know. [00:00:57] White people always got to do that with the Holocaust. [00:00:58] That's so weird. [00:00:59] They always got to try to find a way. [00:01:01] They're like, everybody wants to be a comic when it comes to the Holocaust. [00:01:04] You know, anything about the Holocaust isn't about Jews. [00:01:06] It's about people. [00:01:07] Yeah. [00:01:08] It's like a big premise that they got to fucking deliver on. [00:01:10] Not worth it. [00:01:11] It's the all lives matter argument. [00:01:12] Yeah. [00:01:13] Yeah, it really is. [00:01:14] Yeah. [00:01:14] But the easy argument to say about people saying, oh, Jews are always saying that they're a race and a religion and blah, blah, blah. [00:01:20] Like, that's what Al and I were talking about the other day. [00:01:22] Here's the easy argument. [00:01:23] We didn't create that. [00:01:25] Hitler did. [00:01:26] He's the one that said that Jews were the inferior race. [00:01:28] So it's like, talk to him. [00:01:29] Go ahead. [00:01:30] No, he just said you're inferior. [00:01:32] But he didn't. [00:01:33] It's not that you guys were a race. [00:01:35] Yes. [00:01:36] We're a tuberculosis. [00:01:37] I think in Mein Konf, it's like we're the tuberculosis of a race. [00:01:41] We're in Jesus. [00:01:42] Bro, you read Mein Konf? [00:01:44] Yeah. [00:01:45] You're a piece of shit, dude. [00:01:46] Right, but I guess a powerful book. [00:01:47] I was like, how did he convince all these fuckers what he was doing? [00:01:52] To get on board? [00:01:53] No, no. [00:01:54] I think that the idea that the Jews are a race started way before. [00:01:58] Yes, I'm just saying. [00:01:58] But like, that's an easy argument for me to say. [00:02:00] And also, because people come at me all the time, like, oh, you guys consider yourself a race. [00:02:04] I was like, let's go blame real quick. [00:02:05] Okay. [00:02:06] Tell them about other people. [00:02:08] Race is invented. [00:02:09] I don't want to sound like some fucking liberal arts professor here, but like a Somali dude is just as much genetically in common as like a Swedish guy, right? [00:02:16] So like race is... [00:02:17] The base markers are very slight. [00:02:19] Yeah. [00:02:19] So like if race is a whatever, social construct or whatever it is, if we acknowledge that race is invented, but we acknowledge that race exists, we have invented it, you can't stop the sliding scale, right? [00:02:31] Everybody wants to have, wants to or believes in their own race. [00:02:35] So you can't really take it away from people. [00:02:36] Like how many races are there? [00:02:37] Back in the day, there was three, right? [00:02:39] It was black, white, Asian. [00:02:40] Well, you guys want your own race. [00:02:43] Indian, we probably, Indian Pakistani, we'd look at Desi or whatever. [00:02:45] We'd look at its own race. [00:02:47] Arabs probably want their own race or Middle Eastern people want their own race, right? [00:02:50] Latinos. [00:02:51] Latinos want their own race, right? [00:02:52] And then you have Caribbean Latinos, and then you have like Central American. [00:02:55] Afro-Latino. [00:02:57] Then you have Native American. [00:02:58] So each person is kind of developing their own sect kind of based on like physical characteristics. [00:03:05] I think the interesting thing about Jews is, is that it is probably the most diverse in what we view as racial group. [00:03:14] Whereas like, yes, you have light-skinned black people, dark-skinned black people, and their facial characteristics change like an extraordinary amount when you go from East to West Africa, right? [00:03:22] Even body types, everything. [00:03:24] But Latinos, it's like you can have blonde hair, blue eyes, and you can have the suit, the darkest of dark Latinos. [00:03:29] I would say Latinos is the closest and probably actually equivalent because you have Jewish Latinos as well. [00:03:34] But like you have black Jews. [00:03:35] You have Jews from Ethiopia, right? [00:03:37] You have Jews that look like dove. [00:03:40] And then you have the whitest of white Jews, right? [00:03:43] So it's an interesting concept to look at where we're like, okay, our idea of race is physical characteristic. [00:03:51] But this group of people, which we also see as a race, encompasses many different races as far as we understand. [00:04:01] So it is confusing. [00:04:03] Yeah. [00:04:04] That being said, if we're just going to play the game of everybody has their race, why are you stopping at a Jews? === Nicotine Alternatives with Lucy (02:46) === [00:04:10] That's a little weird. [00:04:11] But just to that point, if the conversation has to do with the Holocaust. [00:04:15] Just one thing. [00:04:15] Just one thing. [00:04:16] And the reason why Whoopi does it is because Whoopee has existed in Hollywood for so long that Jews and white people are synonymous to her. [00:04:26] In the same way that I'm sure like a lot of basketball players see Jews as like my agent or the owner of the team. [00:04:33] And they just start to see these white guys, right? [00:04:36] So they're not interacting enough with maybe black Jews. [00:04:38] They're not interacting enough with Sephardic Jews. [00:04:40] They're not interacting with all these different types of Jews, right? [00:04:43] So it's a kind of like newer thing for them. [00:04:46] For sure. [00:04:47] But if you're going to say that, you can have these arguments now and present day with different groups. [00:04:51] But if you're talking about the Holocaust, I even remove myself because this is something that happened to Europeans, right? [00:04:57] So that just puts you in that vacuum. [00:05:00] You guys are protected by the Musis at that time. [00:05:04] Well, Morocco, we were. [00:05:05] Yep. [00:05:05] Not all. [00:05:08] Morocco's king was lit. [00:05:09] But you know what I mean? [00:05:09] So I'm just saying her argument has to do with taking white people and then separating them into another race. [00:05:16] Yes. [00:05:16] In Europe. [00:05:17] So you can't say, oh, but now in Hollywood, you got everything and blah, blah, blah. [00:05:20] And this is humanity. [00:05:21] So that's an easy argument for people to say. [00:05:24] I also want to say, like, I don't even think she's an anti-Semite. [00:05:27] I don't think either. 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[00:06:54] Now let's get back to this exclusive Patreon clip. === Avoiding Cancellation Mistakes (05:41) === [00:06:57] I think the biggest thing was it wasn't like the Jews aren't a race. [00:06:59] It's like removing Jews from this horrific event that happened to them. [00:07:04] It'd almost be like it'd be like somebody going, 9-11 happened to all Americans. [00:07:11] And then us New Yorkers being like, did it though? [00:07:14] Did it really though? [00:07:15] Like, yeah, it happened to America. [00:07:17] It was an attack on America. [00:07:18] But like, specifically if they go, my brothers saw the people jump out the building. [00:07:22] If you lived in Omaha, you didn't see people jump out the building in real life. [00:07:26] And if specifically they said it wasn't an attack on New York, it was an attack on America. [00:07:30] You'd be like, yo, fuck you. [00:07:31] Fuck you. [00:07:32] Don't make this a larger scale thing. [00:07:33] Fuck you. [00:07:34] Yeah, exactly. [00:07:34] If you zoom out enough, yeah, we're all humans. [00:07:38] Yes. [00:07:38] But a specific group of humans were affected by, or was affected by this thing. [00:07:44] And like, I mean, it has deeply impacted their identity. [00:07:50] So, to kind of remove them from that. [00:07:51] And I mean that from 9-11. [00:07:52] I mean anybody who's went through tragedy. [00:07:54] It's like, it literally be like, listen, slavery happened to Americans. [00:07:58] Yeah. [00:08:00] Did it? [00:08:02] Yeah, a couple Irish people. [00:08:04] We're indentured servants, but I'm pretty sure we know the group that it was targeted. [00:08:08] And you're touching on such a trigger point because you guys have said this to me. [00:08:11] You explained the Jews really are fearful this could happen again. [00:08:16] So anything that seems like it could be leading down that path is going to be a fucking reaction on a thousand. [00:08:22] So if somebody's saying, oh, no, the Holocaust wasn't even about Jews, they're not going to hear the rest of the argument. [00:08:26] They're just going to hear, oh, they're trying to act like this didn't really happen to us and it wasn't insane what happened to us and six million of us didn't die. [00:08:32] This is a fucking problem. [00:08:33] Shut this down right now. [00:08:34] The reaction is going to be an overreaction. [00:08:36] 100%. [00:08:36] And it's understandable. [00:08:38] Now, do we think that she should have been suspended? [00:08:42] It's like it's stupid, but it's like, okay, this is. [00:08:46] Can I suggest something? [00:08:47] Yeah. [00:08:48] Bring on a Jewish person that can explain to her why it's offensive. [00:08:54] Yeah, that's way better. [00:08:56] Sorry, have the conversation live with someone who's intelligent and articulate enough to explain why this is offensive and why it's important to the community that it's recognized in this way. [00:09:06] That's right. [00:09:06] Have it live for everybody else who might also be confused instead of for two weeks, a bunch of fans of the view who like Whoopee going, oh, this is so sensitive. [00:09:14] Why are they doing this? [00:09:15] It's fucked up. [00:09:15] It's almost like you stir up more anti-Semitism and create even more confusion during the process. [00:09:21] Have someone explain it. [00:09:22] If the problem is education, which clearly it is, the solution is education, not cancellation. [00:09:29] Yeah. [00:09:29] I think they're trying to placate the Jewish community to be like, oh, when people say fucked up things, they get punished. [00:09:34] Yeah. [00:09:36] They are doing that, but I don't know if, I don't know if that gets us to a better place. [00:09:40] I think it just gets us to a more silent place. [00:09:43] And then we stop asking questions that could actually put us in a position where we really understand people's feelings. [00:09:49] Right? [00:09:49] I think one of the big problems, especially with race and even religion in this country, is like people are so worried about having, people are so worried about making a mistake, not like what Whoopee made, but just making a mistake that could offend somebody. [00:10:02] You know what I mean? [00:10:03] Like, you ever in the back of an Uber and like you want to ask the guy where they're from, but you're like, I don't want him to feel like he's not American or something like that. [00:10:12] Or I don't want him to feel like he's not part of this. [00:10:14] Let me just not ask anything at all. [00:10:15] I don't want to potentially create some discomfort. [00:10:17] You go, hey, buddy, where are you from? [00:10:19] And you're asking that because you see his fucking name on the thing and it's got all these different letters and no vowels. [00:10:23] And you're like, oh, maybe this is going to be an interesting conversation that we could have. [00:10:26] But you're like, and then if he goes to you, I'm from America. [00:10:30] You're like, okay, well, I guess this conversation is done. [00:10:33] I always go, oh, are you from New York? [00:10:34] That's smart. [00:10:35] And then they always go, no, I'm not. [00:10:36] I go, oh, where'd you grow up? [00:10:38] And then I'm like, boom, dude, it's tough, don't you? [00:10:40] No, but it's like, wow, don't learn it. [00:10:43] But this is really interesting. [00:10:44] What a fucking rigmarole y'all got to go through. [00:10:47] But no, no. [00:10:47] What you did is you found a workaround, right? [00:10:49] You asked a question that you already knew the answer to so that he alley oops you for the question you really want. [00:10:54] Yeah. [00:10:55] Sometimes they do say, yeah, I'm from Bushwood. [00:10:57] Right. [00:10:57] Like, I've grew up. [00:10:57] My parents are Nigerian, but I've lived here my whole life. [00:10:59] And I go, oh, okay. [00:11:00] Right. [00:11:00] But you asked a fake question to get to the real question, which is un but which is you being like smart and working yourselves around this like uncomfortable situation. [00:11:09] And the problem is, we're so worried about getting canceled or making somebody feel uncomfortable, et cetera. [00:11:13] We can't even ask the questions that are going to stop us from being ignorant. [00:11:16] And the ignorance is what's going to cause us to be canceled in the future. [00:11:19] So educate these motherfuckers. [00:11:20] Somebody says something offensive, bring them back on. [00:11:22] And you also got to understand it's not really a punishment. [00:11:25] Whoopi Goldwood's not hard up for money. [00:11:26] You just gave her a two-week vacation, a little slap on the wrist. [00:11:28] In a year, everybody forgets about this. [00:11:30] Her two weeks might be a little stressful, but at the end of the day, it's not a real punishment. [00:11:34] You're just doing this to appease the masses and quiet the outrage people. [00:11:37] But they're always going to, they're going to find another outrage. [00:11:40] Yeah. [00:11:40] Another girl could come on. [00:11:42] Anna Navarro could say something that pisses them off. [00:11:43] And then that's a thing. [00:11:45] Just have the conversation. [00:11:46] I think it gets dealt with in an actual way. [00:11:49] Now, when you say, should she get suspended? [00:11:50] It's like, should she get two weeks' vacation? [00:11:52] If someone from Nebraska said sitting next to me on a show, 9-11 didn't happen to New Yorkers. [00:11:58] It happened to all Americans. [00:11:59] Yeah. [00:12:00] I might swing on them, bro. [00:12:01] Yeah. [00:12:02] There might be another 9-11, bro. [00:12:03] There might be another one. [00:12:05] Yo, Joy Behar is pussy, bro. [00:12:08] Isn't she Jewish? [00:12:10] I don't know. [00:12:11] I mean, there's got to be one Jewish person on there. [00:12:13] Got to be at least, right? [00:12:15] I mean, those executives at least. [00:12:16] In the studio. [00:12:17] Right? [00:12:17] Yeah. [00:12:18] Walk on set. [00:12:21] I think swinging on Whoopee. [00:12:22] She looked like she was fucking. [00:12:23] Whoopie. [00:12:23] She's probably throwing her hands, though. [00:12:25] She's not sure. [00:12:25] She's built like Roy Wood Jr., bro. [00:12:28] No, she is, right? [00:12:29] Joy's 30. [00:12:30] Say what? [00:12:31] Joy's a talent Catholic. [00:12:32] She is? [00:12:32] Oh, fuck. [00:12:33] Do they have any Jews on the show? [00:12:34] The bosses. [00:12:35] Whoopie. [00:12:36] Whoopie, I guess. [00:12:37] Yeah, besides Miss Goldberg? [00:12:38] Yeah.