Michael Irvin recounts his NFL journey, detailing how he used aliases to evade hotel bans in Dallas and leveraged a business degree to negotiate draft rights over Green Bay. He shares financial wisdom learned from O.J. Simpson regarding dynasty trusts and warns against squashing signing bonuses on luxury assets. Irvin contrasts his servant-leadership style with Troy Aikman's authority, explaining how storytelling engages the brain's imagination to create lasting memories. Ultimately, his anecdotes illustrate that overcoming poverty requires strategic planning and emotional intelligence rather than just athletic talent. [Automatically generated summary]
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Sexy Travel Stories00:14:52
Longest third leg on the Cowboys.
The longest third leg in the world.
Bullshit.
But I am not lying.
How many ladies in the hotel?
C-T-E.
C-T-E.
I can't recall.
Are you hot?
You're not hot, right?
I'm hot, yeah.
Hot.
Not hot as in heated.
I mean, I'm just hot and ready to go.
Sexy.
Shit.
I'm glad you said it.
You know?
I mean, you can say it as a man.
It's okay.
It shows your manhood that you can look at another man and say, of course.
But of course, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Of course, yeah.
It just means he's a sexy man.
Tell the truth.
You mean some guys are just so sexy you have to acknowledge it.
Yeah, you know, think about it.
Yeah, let's think about it.
Why do they say tall, dark, and handsome?
I am he.
Okay, let me stop messing around.
Who's the sexiest man, though?
Who's the sexiest man?
Yeah, hottest dude.
Second to you.
Who would you call it?
Like, Idris?
Idris.
Idris.
Idris is a joint, bro.
And sexy.
That's the thing.
You have to be cute.
See, oh, you keep.
No, no, no, don't be cute.
Sexy.
Sexy says you look like a man, you walk like a man, you talk like a man.
You're a man.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
So Idris is number one?
Yeah, Idris.
Idris, my boy.
That's because I heard people say you kind of look like Idris, so I got to put him up there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Right.
They do that.
But yeah, I would consider it.
Hottest white dude.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Who's his hottest white dude?
Sexiest white dude.
In this room.
Brad Pitt is a sexy white man.
That's a sexy motherfucker.
He's a sexy white man.
He's a sexy white man, dude.
Brad Pitt is a sexy white man.
Over Brady?
Over Tom Brady?
Yeah.
No, he said that name.
Absolutely sexy to Tom Brady.
He's sexy to Tom Brady.
You're not impressed by Tom Brady.
No, no, no, no.
Tommy is goofy.
No, but Tom, I always say this.
I measure men in distance travel.
So in distance travel, I'll give it to Tom.
Okay.
Because when I saw Tom, that first picture coming out at the comeback, that does not look like a man.
That should get that wife.
He earned his wife.
If somebody had taken you and put a picture of Tom and any other quarterbacks up there, that first picture and say, go get your family.
Y'all got to bet every dime y'all have on which one of these dudes will never make it in the NFL.
Everybody will put every dime on Tom.
So distance travel to where he is and sexy.
And I don't know how he done got to look as good as he looks, you know, from where he was.
You think he got some lip fillers or something like that?
You think he got the Brazilian butt lift?
No, I think he got a lot of pocket fillers with those Super Bowl winners.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And for some reason, for some reason, money always makes you sexy.
You know what I mean?
It makes you look better.
It does.
It does.
Go back.
You weren't always sexy.
You fucked with Eddie Mercury.
Go back to the early Eddie days.
Oh, Eddie looked good still.
Eddie looks good now.
Yeah.
But when Eddie first started out, you're like, damn.
Yeah, but he was like 17.
That was a boy.
And then he came into a man.
Damn, it is sexy.
It had something to do with it.
When Eddie was broke, he was, he's all right.
Yeah, yeah.
He got rich and all got the right clothes on.
He's sexy.
Beverly Hills cop, too.
Eddie was a sex piece.
Yeah, he was a sexy bitch.
I love Eddie, man.
That's a funny dude.
Yeah, 100%.
Have you met Eddie before?
I don't think I've ever met him.
Really?
I don't think I've ever met him, but I would love him.
This guy's doing a movie with him right now.
Yeah, yeah.
What is it like working with Eddie, man?
It's fun.
What the ones do is that?
He's not as social as you.
Let's say that.
Yeah, yeah, he's not as social as you.
Eddie's in his own world, man.
He's been famous since he's 18 years old.
Yeah, he must be.
He's always been the most famous guy since he's 18.
So, like, it's people get uncomfortable around him.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right, right, because he's Eddie.
Yeah, and we could have been uncomfortable around you, but you came in with so much energy and positivity.
I want to kill that.
You want to kill you.
You're talking about sexy guys.
That's why I'm coming.
And that's why I want to kill it to make the room right.
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody, and it's just out of respect.
You respect me.
Also, you got to fight for your normalcy.
I'll give Seinfeld credit on this.
Apparently, Seinfeld makes people treat him normal.
Like, if he asks you to go get coffee, right?
And then you don't call him within the month to go get some coffee.
He goes, Hey, stop being weird.
I asked you to go get coffee.
Right, Call me back.
Oh, you did.
He's just being nice.
He's really trying to go get coffee.
Let's be friends.
But when you're with someone famous, what's up?
Can I get him closer to the mic?
Oh, he's minding up his mic game.
He is, but you're going to hear you guys.
I just want him, if we can.
Yeah, Michael, we don't have those fancy lobs on the SPN.
There you go.
I got you.
I don't mind.
I don't mind putting this thing close to my mouth.
I don't want to block his whole face.
You over here told by sexy men and then you want to stick something in my mouth.
I got issues with it already.
Make sure y'all ain't trying to get me with that.
Sorry, thank you, though.
I got a pretty big voice.
I never heard anybody say that.
Yeah, he's just nervous.
He doesn't want to fuck up.
Yeah, he doesn't want to fuck up.
Oh, my God.
You're absolutely good.
Don't worry about it.
We got it.
Okay, where were we talking about hot guys and putting things in your mouth?
And then what happened, dude?
What happened to this podcast?
Like, we're usually, you know, talking about girls and sports and stuff like that.
I like that.
You changed the game, though.
Yeah, dude.
Listen, man.
I didn't change the game.
We just had a natural conversation.
I don't know how we got there, right?
We were just shit.
Don't know how we got there.
You're the greatest, dude.
No, no, you were saying I look good, and I was just saying, we got to be saying you look good.
However, I got to get it out there, right?
Put it on me.
He came in like people say I look like Idris.
I don't know what to do.
Saying I'm a sexy mob.
It's all good.
Michael, you know, you got a family member.
Here's a Dallas Cowboys.
Born athlete.
Born and raised Dallas Cowboy.
Can I tell you?
You are my favorite athlete of all time.
Hey, Not just Cowboy, athlete.
I appreciate you saying that.
I really do appreciate you saying that, man.
I'm sorry we look like we looked yesterday, though.
God, man, that game.
I don't care.
You got me three Super Bowls.
I'm sitting next to you.
I appreciate that.
I don't give a fuck about it.
I'm so funny right now.
We hadn't won one in 30 years.
And when I was, you know, listen, man, okay, okay.
Since we're all family like this shit, you know, it was young Buck, man.
I was young Buck, man.
I was winning them Super Bowls.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I was young.
I came from the ghetto of Florida.
I'm the 15th of 17th.
Ain't never had nothing, right?
Never had nothing.
So I went lunch food.
I went to Super Bowl.
So what?
I took a little friends of mine and we went to a hotel room and had some fun.
We had to make that.
What do you say to him now?
They took me to all of that.
We ain't won a Super Bowl in 30 years.
I bet y'all will leave me in that hotel room now and then be alone.
Do what you want to do, Mike.
Just come on out here and get us another damn Super Bowl.
We ain't had one 30 years.
Let's go.
I bet you'll take it down, right?
Yeah.
See, they were busting it up.
You can't do this.
You can't.
Come in there now.
Listen, we understand.
The city should get back in the shop.
Because we ain't won in a long time.
I bet they'll take that shit down.
I bet y'all.
Feed the man.
Give the man what he needs.
I'm just joking.
I'm the one.
I'm the bullshit.
But I'm not lying.
In a humorous way, but it is the LLA.
It's a Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
That's the gospel.
That's the gospel.
How crazy would do?
You learn when you go to these cities because I get to travel to all these cities to do games.
Yeah, yeah.
Dude.
And women.
Whatever the NFL team is.
Yeah.
Wherever the NFL team is, is where the city is.
Yes.
You know, team doing well, see the hype, spending a lot of money.
Team doing poorly, sit it down, ain't spending no money.
And it's been, you know, we've had some times in Dallas.
And I say, dang, man, God ain't gonna let you.
You should have just left me alone.
I wouldn't mind nobody in that hotel room.
You'd never be alone because a lot of that thing was.
How many ladies in the hotel room?
CTE.
CTE.
I can't recall.
CTE.
This is where you can use certain things to your advantage.
This is what you do.
Right there, right there.
That's what I'm saying.
And it's so funny.
I meet people all the time.
They'd be like, Michael, we met.
Do you remember?
We met.
I said, met where?
It was at one of those.
I said, CTE.
I don't remember none of that.
I don't remember none of that.
That's what he told me.
No, no, no, no.
What's your name?
Putting in a dollar.
You know, what's your name?
Uh-uh.
Put a dollar in his head.
What's your name?
I said, CTE.
I don't remember none of that.
I took too many hits.
Oh, good.
Okay, so no hotel memories.
No, no, not hotel memories.
He had his own house.
It wasn't a hotel.
It was his own house.
Well, it started out as a hotel.
It started as a hotel, but that got expensive.
Isn't that expensive?
I appreciate somebody who's a foreigner.
It's going to sound like it was an all-the-time thing when I said it got expensive.
Yeah, yeah.
It got expensive.
Yeah, expensive enough to buy a house.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, please.
I think I can tell you this.
Why it got expensive?
It's not that it was an all-the-time thing, but it was, I'm 100%.
Yes, yes, I'm aware.
Best way to explain is I'm 100%.
And when you got me focused on one thing, I can go hard at it.
When I was on something else, I'd go hard at it.
So, so, so, so, I had to leave the hotels because what happened was, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't just stay in one room.
Oh, right, right, right, right.
So, so I would have 101, 201, 301 right by the elevator.
Right, right.
So I'm up in 101.
What is up in 301?
And I wrote elevators.
Can I tell you where I lose a little respect?
Just put them in one room.
No, because there are different people in the game.
People in the game now.
And I would say this in my young years, these are my young years, folks.
Don't take them now.
My young year.
I would come off the football field where I was double teamed.
I said, well, wait a minute.
You can't go to single college in the hotel.
Double team me on the football field.
Who are you?
So, so right.
So, so when you know it's like, hey, man, go ahead and say, go find your corner, go find your safety.
And come on back.
I'm just joking.
It's comedy.
Yeah.
It's comedy.
It's a comedy podcast, dude.
I get bullshit, but you ain't lying.
You ain't lying, though.
You are not lying.
Not one lie has been told.
That's true.
Not one lie has been told.
It was crazy.
There were so many hotel rooms that got expensive.
Y'all bought out.
So get this right.
So after, oh my God, man.
When they caught me, when they called me, we went to court.
Oh, get up on that mic.
And we went to court, right?
When they caught me, the district attorney had all my hotel records.
Right.
Hate it.
I don't know, man.
Yeah, that's right.
What's that about?
He found them all.
And every time, and he's a true story.
Every time I checked in, y'all know the owner was Jerry Jones.
Yes.
The head coach is Jimmy Johnson.
Jimmy Johnson.
Yeah.
So every alias was Jimmy Jones or Jerry Johnson.
I crossed up the two names.
There was a player named Jimmy Jones.
This poor guy in all kinds of trouble with his wife.
He was in Miami, too.
He was selfish, you know.
So he never was selfish.
He crossed up their names, you know.
He did.
He was my boy, man.
Jimmy Jones, my boy, man.
He's a good dude, man.
But yeah, I use those names, man.
I shouldn't have used those names.
I think what I gave it away is when I kept pulling up in all my cars, my Mercedes, my Big Lee, and I was sneaking around, but them motherfuckers had Playmaker and Mike Irving.
So hey, I'm rolling.
Maybe I should have taken another car.
So, so, so that's how I speaking in the hotel.
Hold on.
Name on.
Oh, my God.
So that's how we got to the house.
Yeah.
It's so funny.
I remember Leon Lett called me one time.
Leon Lett called me.
He said, Big Cat.
Big Cat.
Thank God.
Big Cat, great dude, man.
He's defensive line coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
Now, he called me and said, Playmaker.
I said, what's up, big fella?
He said, hey, man, I heard we've been infiltrated.
I said, this ain't no damn movie.
You've been watching, but you ain't closing down nothing.
With you.
I'm not closing down the White House.
Right.
So, so, so, so, a few weeks later, I'm sitting in meetings.
I'm like, here, we're getting ready for games, putting in the plays.
Jerry calls me over to the room, goes to the office.
I said, What?
I said, Come on, man.
Let me meet you.
I said, I get late.
He said, No, he wants to see you now.
I went over.
I said, What's up, boss?
Boss Story Breaks00:04:42
He said, Michael, there's a story breaking about some White House you had.
He said, He said, You know what I tell you now?
As long as you tell me the truth, I can fight for you.
But you got to give me the truth.
What's with this story?
How much truth to it?
I was stuck for a minute.
I just kind of think, like, okay.
He said, Tell me the truth.
I'm going to tell you the truth.
He said, What were you guys doing here?
I said, Boss, let me tell you.
We were trying to do the wrong thing the right way.
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
It's a beautiful answer.
I thought, it's the truth.
We were trying to do the wrong thing.
The right way.
Yeah.
Try to stay out of trouble.
A little money.
I thought it was a brilliant plan, actually.
You know, a couple guys throwing a couple hundred dollars in a month, and we got use of a home, big old house, five-bedroom house.
It was laid.
It was laid everywhere.
Now, and it worked for me.
It was laid everywhere.
Because we were like, okay, we don't want to have all these cars.
We would park somewhere else and everybody would shutter over.
You know, we shutter over to the house.
So we'd have been in the house without all these cars because we picked up a neighborhood with older people.
So we're going to.
You don't want to upset the homeowners association.
We just don't want to fuck.
Man, but then, you know, as like all plans, as you go through it, everybody started drinking and alcohol.
And then you just, you got, everybody started parking at the house.
You say everybody and you exclude yourself from everybody.
No, no, no.
You weren't doing any of that at the White House?
No, the drinking, nothing?
No, no, I was the president.
No, no, no.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to exclude myself.
I was on that.
You would never.
You don't need to do this.
No, I'm good joking.
I'm good joking.
I'm good bullshit.
I'll let you put a hand on.
Oh, my God, dude.
Yeah, be serious.
Be serious.
Don't stop.
Can't stop.
Won't stop.
It's good to be able to just talk about it, man.
Now, I'm going to tell you, I want to whoop his ass.
What you want to do there, young man?
I want to whoop his ass.
I want to spent my money on some crazy things.
You'd have got them girls anyway.
Why you need to buy all that jewelry?
But that's so bad.
It's not the ass.
That's not the host.
He said, you only spend some money.
Bad financial planning.
Right, No, no, no, no.
You needed experience with the women.
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't have that, and I'm a lady.
And honestly, it's part of the old, like, you know, old, old days back in the Coliseum when the Warriors got the women after they won.
The Gladiators.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what it was.
So, so, so, you know, that's kind of how I worked in my sick head.
Now, now, you guys are the toast of the town of Dallas.
Was it insane during that run?
Like the amount of girls coming up to you guys?
Was it you couldn't even walk down the street?
Yeah, and you can't, when the Cowboys were winning, and everywhere we went now, this was everywhere we went.
We had to, when we, when we get in the city, we would say we're going to stay at this hotel.
Of course, we would have to send out a lot of dummy, dummy routes on the routes we were taking or people wanting to line up and wait on you to ride by on buses.
And no matter what, they always found the real hotel.
They always found the real hotel.
And the girls would always be there, man.
They'd be waiting.
He's a good host.
You're just being at the hotel.
Yeah, he's just a good host.
Waiting there?
Yeah, the big Cowboy fans.
The Cowboy fans.
We worship them in Dallas.
But they would just find out what room you're in and then just wait outside the rooms.
Well, they can't get on the floors because we had security on every floor.
Yeah, security on every floor.
But they would be waiting outside.
And of course, then, you know, we were trying to get those floor plans of the hotel.
I couldn't find the floor plan.
Most of those 11 bitches.
Get in the floor plan.
How did we sneak them through?
Can we get them through this vent?
Mission impossible.
Right, right.
No, I was pretty focused on football.
For some reason, I had messed in my own head that, you know, I don't want to weaken my legs before a game.
Yeah.
You know, so I was pretty good before games, unless you were, you know, IAN.
You were a Columbian or a Phoenixian or Italian.
I-A-N, I'll be having these.
Sneaking Through Vents00:03:34
Okay, I'm just putting it in.
What about?
What about you?
What about Caucasian?
All right, all right.
I better stop.
I better stop.
Never.
That's why I like doing stuff like this.
Do you remember your wildest night ever?
I want to know what the wildest night was.
Don't say CTE.
You want to use your CTE card.
He remembers now.
I remember them all.
He did not forget.
Those are not the thing.
I'll tell you, we're at a wild night.
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And it was one off season.
I was hanging out over at this apartment we had.
This thing went in progress.
It went from a hotel to an apartment and then the house.
Right.
I just didn't hear about departments.
But we had to get out of the apartments because we were making too much noise and too many people were complaining.
So that's what we needed.
We stretched out a little bit.
But I was in an apartment.
Let me tell you a system I went through and what I figured out.
So I would always work hard.
And we always started training in March, right?
First, second weekend in March.
My birthday was March 5th.
So I thought, that worked perfectly.
You know, so we go to Super Bowl February from February after the Super Bowl until the second weekend in March.
I had about a good month, a good month.
Going crazy.
Nonstop.
They said, go get away.
I got away.
I gotta wait.
And one time I was wilding out and I had, man, you know the number.
Yeah.
What are we talking about?
I had quite a few people with me.
How many?
Quite a few people.
Double digits.
I'll give you double digits.
Oh, a jury, yeah.
Me with double-digit people with me.
And Leon Lepp.
Yes.
We're all at placed Leon Lett.
And I probably was in there for about, you know, 30 hours?
Wow.
You know, I used to be going on LeBron for 30 hours.
I got about 10 in with me.
And Leon Lett came in.
I said, Cat, what are you?
And came in with a dude.
With a dude from his hometown from Alabama.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I said, Cat, man, what are you doing?
I don't know this dude, man.
I'm sitting up here naked with all this going on with us.
I said, what you doing?
Cow, you're going to bring him over here like that, man.
And then I thought about it.
I said, don't worry about it, Kat.
Y'all get a drink.
Don't worry about it.
Because I looked around and saw the double-digit numbers.
And I looked at him and he was like, that's what I said, don't worry about it.
Look at him.
He's not telling.
He can't.
He's going to say things.
But ain't nobody going to believe it.
I said, they're going to say, push double line.
You did, you saw what?
I said, he all right.
But he was like, he ain't believing.
So I can't tell him that this is.
But he ain't believing what he's saying.
I said, oh, we okay.
He gonna tell it.
But ain't nobody gonna believe it.
He doesn't believe it.
Oh, my God.
We cool.
So, so, yeah, it was.
And then we became boys.
Yeah, but yeah.
I can tell you another Mike Tyson.
Yeah, talk to him.
Yeah.
We're in New York.
Here in New York.
Mike Tyson had really just got out.
Yeah.
Just got out.
And I really hung to him.
Yeah, yeah.
And we were like, hey, man, listen, listen.
I said, hey, we're going to go to dinner.
He just got out.
I'm still on probation.
I'm on probation.
I just got out of my mess.
I just got still on probation.
And we go out.
And he, Michael Man, Michael, yeah.
Listen, man, we get out.
We're at club.
They said, man, he said, man, he said, Michael, man, you, he said, you, you, I heard about you and them pink toes.
You were talking about.
Yeah, yeah, we know, we know.
The pink toes?
It's white women, yeah.
Snowbunny.
And you've been what I said.
You will tonight.
Wow.
I am.
You will tonight.
I said, we will get showed tonight.
And we went back to his suite over.
He was over at Trump Tower at this big suite, man.
And we took, you know, everybody in there.
We all go.
So we're leaving.
We're leaving.
Me, Mike, me, Tyson, and all our buddies.
Yeah.
And sitting there, we're getting in my limo.
We're getting my limo.
We're going back to his suite.
Yeah.
T.O. was sitting there.
T.O. was leaving the club, too.
I said, hey, man, anyway.
He said, no, we're going to go.
I said, oh, come on, man.
We're going to get a ride.
Put T.O. in the room, quit a car.
We all go.
We get back to the hotel suite and we start, you know, T.O. looking around.
Mike Tyson, look at the young man, because he was just a young buck.
Look at the young buck.
The young buck said, oh my God, my career is over.
I'm with Mike Tyson and Mike Irving.
Because he always like, I said, okay, man, you need me to take the, I get my limo to send you home.
He said, he said, yeah.
You can take the limo to go home.
And then I, you two.
Y'all ride with him.
You got a road game tonight.
I don't you two ride with him.
He's a little shy.
Make sure he's okay in the car, you know.
Oh my god man yeah, we did some.
We did some crazy things, man oh.
And then Mike Tyson, of course, after a couple we didn't mess around for hours he takes my limo.
He's gonna take the limo, make an errand, run errand.
I don't know where this joker went.
Man, i'm calling.
Can you bring back that damn limo, man?
Dude, when I when that driver got back, He looked like Mike had nothing to kill through hell.
I said, Peter McGee, he said, hey, man, Mike had me everywhere, man.
I said, why you didn't tell me you had to get back?
He said, tell Mike Tyson what?
I hate that.
Mike Tyson.
That's my dude, man.
I love Mike Tyson, man.
He's the greatest dude in the world.
He had such a big heart, but was so ferocious, man.
But I just love the dude.
I read a story recently where I think it was maybe one of his trainers or somebody was saying that he would sleep with girls before the fight to take the edge off so he wouldn't kill the person that he was about to fight.
Like he was trying to weaken himself so he wouldn't be too violent.
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Hey, boy.
But the fighters are different, though, dog.
You know, John Joe was a great friend of mine.
He's kind of told me some of his pre-fight stuff, man.
Them fighters were, boy, they different.
That's why I respect the hell out of them.
I respect the hell out of them, man, because I'm talking about, boy, y'all do what you, whatever y'all got to do.
Yeah.
Get your ass in there.
Hey, man, I ain't bothering y'all.
Do what you got to do to get it.
But you weren't scared.
Like, you would think that.
Yo, you, I read some stories.
The Eugene Lockhart story.
Yeah, but that's different.
Tell that story.
Because you were kind of sweet.
You're standing up to a guy that's bullying a team employee.
So let's just break the break it down.
How y'all heard?
Who told me?
I told you I thought that's what I was saying.
Let me first tell you this.
Lockhart is my boy.
Oh, now Eugene Lockhart was my boy.
Eugene Lockhart was my boy.
He said that he said he was my boy.
I made him my boy that day.
Let me tell you what made him my point.
When I first got to Dallas, he was living in this area called High Country.
And he was telling me all about it.
Man, I'm like, you know, I'm the brokest dude in the world.
I'm the 15th of 17 kids.
I just got here.
I don't have anything.
So I was looking for a house.
He was like, me get a house over in my area, the Highlands.
I was like, okay, I came and looked.
And I did buy a house over there.
And it was great.
And it was great.
Still own the house.
My daughter has the house now.
I got plenty of homes everywhere, but it's just different.
It's different.
When you got 16 brothers and sisters, like I got four or five summer homes in Florida, I just got some of them Negroes in all of them.
So they won't leave.
Every time I buy a home, they come over and visit.
I said, man, this is my summer home.
And I said, okay, man, time to go now.
And he said, well, we're going to stay.
I said, no, dude, we got to go.
This is the summer home.
But we'll stay here till you come back in the summer.
It don't work that way.
They have done this in every home I have.
And I keep on.
I own five homes in Florida.
And when I go to Florida, I have to go to a hotel.
This true story.
This true story.
Messing around with my brothers and sisters, them Negroes.
They were all like, man, y'all go home, man.
And then it was like, no, we're going to stay here and take care of the house for you.
We're going to take care of the house for you.
But every day, my office gets a call.
We're going to take care of the house.
We're going to take care of it.
But they got a call and said, yo, the water, this is leaking.
I said, well, tell them to fix it.
You know, they're calling the office to get the money.
Facts, y'all living in the house.
They don't do anything.
So, yeah, family is a whole other mother.
You ever wish you had half that many children?
Yeah.
You ever wish you were the eighth or nine?
Wish I was an only child.
Yes, but I have to look at it on the other side.
I said, you know what?
God gave me a football team to live with so I could learn how to lead football team.
And everywhere I set these feet in the sand, I have left a footprint of greatness because I am an S brother.
What I mean by S brother, when you say, Did you win a championship?
No, I want championships.
I want championships on all levels.
I'm an S brother.
All levels, all ships.
That's what I call it.
You own a house in Florida?
I own houses.
And you got a lot of Negroes living in houses in Florida.
That's all I'm saying.
But they're my family.
They're my family.
Lockhart.
Lockhart.
God made sure.
And he made family blood.
Because he knew you couldn't cut them loose.
He said you can't cut them loose.
They part blood.
That's just the way it is.
But Lockhart made.
I got a house over by Lockhart's.
And Lockhart was my boy now because you got to remember now.
I just moved to Texas.
I'm coming from Florida, young buck.
Yeah.
I'm in Texas.
I didn't understand all the rules.
They were closing down the liquor stores.
They closed down at nine o'clock.
And I was like, what, man, nine o'clock.
But see, Lockhart, what's up, man?
Yeah, man.
What are you doing?
He and his wife lived right up the street.
And I wasn't married at the time.
I wasn't married.
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I said, man, yeah, man, I got a party going, man.
But the liquor stole clothes.
Shit, some Crown Royal and Valkyrie on the doorstep.
I'm going to just come through and scoop it.
And he would always look out for me.
Now, he may try to scoop by later on.
You think he can get some, of course, the Crown Royal.
But we were boys.
We were boys.
But that time, this was at his restaurant when we got into it.
Lockhart owned the restaurant.
He got into it.
And he was just, and I was like, Lock, man, let's stop, man.
You were bullying the team employees, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm not big on that.
I'm just not big on that.
I'm not big on taking advantage of small people or somebody that, yeah, I just wasn't big on it.
I said, Lock, you got to stop that, man.
I said, I'm not okay with that.
And, you know, yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I had to just situate it a little bit.
So he stopped, but he stopped.
It was all cool.
And we were able to get back to it.
And we really got into a little fight at the Cowboys Cafe.
Now, I was, my brother, when I was somewhere playing, my brother goes over because we were playing pool.
That's where we used to hang out.
They used to wait on us to come back from games at the cafe because that's where all the girls were waiting on us to come back from games, too.
So everybody waiting on us.
But I would come back, and my brother was over there, and he got into a fight with somebody right at the Cowboys Cafe.
I come back, fight's over, everybody's gone.
A couple days later, I go, oh, somebody, I said, what's this?
You're being sued.
I said, why are you suing me for what?
So some fight at the cafe.
I thought it was Eugene Lockhart.
Suing me for what happened at cafe?
Yeah.
Joking?
Now I looked into it.
It was that dude.
He was suing me because he was in a fight with my brother.
I said, how the hell is that?
I'm playing football somewhere in another city.
What does that got to do?
So, yeah, that brought that back up.
So, yeah, it was crazy, man.
It was crazy.
Have you ever been intimidated by someone that you play with?
You don't seem like someone that scares either.
Let me tell you something, though.
I don't.
And I don't.
And I don't.
And somebody asked me that who, late in the year, late in my career, we signed Alonzo Spellman.
I remember him.
Yeah, yeah.
Bipolar.
And this is when Lonzo had some issues.
We didn't know that, yeah.
And we watched him have some issues and they played out on TV and God bless him and everything, man.
When we brought him in the locker room and I saw him, he was, you know, Luzo Spellman like six, eight, man.
I mean, muscles everywhere.
I mean, and dude, I was like, boy, that's the only dude I ever looked at and said, because you don't know that's the only dude that I could say I was truly intimidated with.
I walked around real carefully.
All right, Big Fellow?
Hey, you know, Lonzo Spellman looked like a man, man.
He was just, he was stacked.
He was stacked, but just probably him.
But generally speaking, like when you're playing against any other team, were there any players that maybe you weren't intimidated by, but like you really respected and you didn't, you know, push them in a certain way?
See, and here is this man world that we are afraid in.
Was there somebody that made you the best way we could state that made you check your courage?
Yes, absolutely.
Somebody that makes you.
And I always tell people when I'm explaining, they say, well, Michael, you were fearless.
Stop saying that.
Yeah.
Are you joking?
No, I'm not fearless.
Courage does not say fear did not exist.
Courage said that fear exists, that you had the ability to overcome your fear and go forward, which is a great attribute to have.
But fear is real.
We're playing, I said, man, we're playing dudes like, I'm playing running lot.
Yeah.
Like running lot.
And people think, you can go run across the middle.
Yes, I'm afraid.
That dude right there cut his own damn finger off to get back in the game to hit somebody.
You hear his finger, hit somebody?
They said, You can't go back in.
Why can't I play?
Well, your finger is hanging off.
Well, the only way you play, we cut it off.
Well, quarter it off then.
I was like, don't fade to just come back and hit somebody.
Why wouldn't I be scared to go and hit somebody?
It's crazy.
You know what I'm saying?
It's crazy.
Of course, I'm scared.
Oh, my God.
I'll help people because courage says fear does exist.
How do you overcome that fear?
You got to put that great fear up against a greater fear, a greater fear.
So every time Troy called 262, that means double slant.
I'm running a slant route.
And then you break the huddle, and everybody's saying, Watch Michael on the slant.
They know you're running the route, right?
They know you're running.
But I would line up.
I said, damn, I'm going to run this route.
As soon as I got in the stance, Little Michael started talking to Big Michael.
Because Big Michael was scared.
But Little Michael said, Big Michael, you got to run this slant.
I said, no, man.
And then Little Michael said, Big Michael, if we don't run this slant, we may have to run back to the ghetto.
I said, you know what?
We're going to run this slit.
I'm scared to go take that hit, but I ain't never going back to Big Bro.
I'm going to run this slip.
I put it up against a greater fear.
I want to ask you about that because I've heard you say that.
And you can't go back to the ghetto.
How do you stay hungry after you made tens of millions of dollars?
You got two Super Bowls.
Because he's kind of climbing.
I'm trying to climb three.
I'm saying by the third time, by 95.
Okay, okay, you're right.
Like at that point, you went back to back.
Then you lost one year.
And now it's how do you stay that hungry when it's the man.
Haven't I been telling you about all the Negroes that got as far as I missed that explanation?
He's got tenants, bro.
The only Negroes are sitting like this.
They're not way here.
I can't go back in the ghetto.
My brother can't go back to the ghetto.
I'm going to be fine.
I'm going to tell you something too, man.
I always say this.
You see Jerry Jones, Bill Gates, Jeff Basil.
People ask me what I'm saying.
Michael, because I leave my house Wednesday to go do the Thursday night game.
I leave Thursday night game, go all the way to LA to do shows Saturday and Sunday in LA.
I leave LA Sunday, fly out here to do shows Monday and Tuesday.
Then I go back home on Tuesday night and start all back over on Wednesday evening.
And they said, why are you working so because there's no bitches anymore?
You got to do something to build a diet.
That's true too now.
When he said, Idol minds becomes the devil.
Keep them busy.
I want to stay focused because remember, I'm 100%.
Yes, in a good direction.
I got to keep it in a good direction.
And that's the truth.
But look at all the great, the every the richest people in the world are still working.
You know what I mean?
They're still working.
They're still working.
What the hell are you talking about?
Stop working.
First of all, it's not just about the money.
It's about your mental health.
I got to keep, I got to get up and go try to be the best at something every day.
It's just a part of it, man.
If you don't do that, oh, so you transferred the passion.
So you had it for sports.
You stopped.
Now, did you know this, or did you learn this after having some tough times when you left the game?
Well, when I first left the game, right, when you first leave the game, you realize how lost you are because all your life playing football, everything's been scheduled for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now you have freedom, non-stop freedom.
You've regimented.
And it's not just freedom.
It's not just freedom.
You're rich with freedom.
Shit, I had freedom when I was broke and couldn't do nothing.
Freedom ain't the problem.
It's rich with freedom.
Rich with freedom and that little mug on the shoulder.
Get off that shoulder.
He's saying, do this, do that, do this.
Michael, we should.
I always say it this way.
I got to be careful.
I can't let the kid in me kill the king in me.
You know what I mean?
We all got a kid and a king in us.
And the king is our best us.
But that kid is our crazy us.
You know, he's supposed to do crazy shit.
And you got to let him out sometimes.
You just got to keep it to you and yourself.
And then keep it quiet.
Whatever you do, keep it quiet.
Let them out.
And then get back to your king.
So when did you transition?
Yeah, was there like a moment where you're like, I can't keep doing this?
When I first retired, dog.
And remember, I told y'all I had a system, right?
Yeah.
Like, and I would be fucking around, getting high and off season for that month and a half.
But when I stopped, it was over.
Yeah, I never had a problem.
Yeah.
Until I retired.
And then I retired, right?
And I said, okay, okay, okay.
Okay.
This me last weekend.
Let's have a great one.
Have a great one.
We done.
And I have a great one.
I stumble on it on Monday or dude.
You did.
Sleep for two days.
And that's it.
It's over.
And then, you know, go somewhere.
I don't know.
Go get some milk from the store and run into two or three of them.
And then I'm like, what the hell is going on?
You know?
And then I went out again.
And I was like, whoa, wait a minute, man.
Wait a minute.
Why am I doing things after I said it was over?
It always worked before when I said it was over.
But this time, I kept falling back and falling back.
And then that's when I realized because I had to start studying my own self that all I was doing was switching addictions.
So since I didn't have anything to put my energy in, I couldn't come out of what I was in.
And that wasn't that tough thing.
Yeah.
That was a tough thing.
So I had to learn to stop doing all this shit.
You know, obviously, I used to talk about people.
How can they not stop?
Why aren't they strong enough to stop?
You know what I mean?
Because you always had football.
Because I always had football.
And when I didn't have football, I was like, oh, oh, this is the kind of problem where I mean, you got the time, you got some money.
And you just kind of fell back into it, man.
So once I learned that, then I understood what I needed to do.
And what did you shift the addiction to?
Work.
You were like, I got to go and right, right.
And that's why I work the way I work.
It's an addiction.
Work is the dictionary.
So maybe life is addiction.
You just got to find the way.
Let me put it this way.
Maybe success is addiction.
You just have to make sure you put that focus and passion into positive things instead of drugs, all this other stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Because I relate to that.
Right, right, right.
But now, when you say success, happiness is the word I would put in there.
Must be your addiction.
What makes you happy?
Winning football, championships makes you happy.
You tell what makes me happy, man.
Winning football is great, and I love football, and I love nothing.
But when I see, when I look at my little granddaughters right now and I say to them, Papa gonna take care of you from the grave.
That makes me happy.
You know what I'm saying?
Papa will be taking care of you.
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You can live the lifestyle.
That's not the issue.
It's how you get to live the lifestyle.
That's the issue.
Money is, you got to know how to spend your money.
Simple things.
Simple things.
And I talk to young man about this all the time because you got to imagine, okay, here's a young man.
He growing up like I grew up with nothing.
Nothing, yeah.
With nothing.
And then it's not just he grew up with nothing.
What did he see?
He saw everybody that had anything around him get it taken, repossessed, houses, cars, because they couldn't keep up with payments.
This all he's like.
So now he just getting, I'll do simple numbers.
He just got a $5 million signing bonus.
$5 million signing bonus.
And this dude wants to say, man, I got $5 million.
Here is where he used to get the way he is.
I call sometimes your greatest asset is your greatest liability.
He used the poorness around him, the poor and the poverty around him as fuel. to make him a great athlete to make it.
But now, now you use your yesterday to set your tomorrow, but now your yesterday is hurting your tomorrow because when he gets the $5 million signing bonus, he says, I want to get my house.
I want to get my cars.
So he spends, he buys a $3 million house.
Say he spends a half a million dollars on cars.
He's three and a half million dollars.
Yeah.
And he said, I'm buying mine flat out.
So nobody gonna come to our take it from me like I saw them taking it from everybody else around me.
Stupidest thing in the world to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You get the $5 million, you said it over there.
You go ask somebody, let me borrow $3.5 million against that $5 million.
And I'm going to buy all that stuff I want, but I'm going to leave that $5 million sitting on principal.
And then I'm going to make the interest off that $5 million to pay back the loan of the $3.5 million.
And I never touched my principal.
So you cannot let the pain of yesterday mess with your tomorrow.
Another thing we do, and I learned this from OJ Simpson.
It's called a family skipping white women.
I learned it from OJ Simpson.
It's called a family skipping dynasty trust.
You put all of your family members on the name in this trust.
And that's what I got, Irving Family Skipping Dynasty Trust.
Anytime I give money out to anybody in my family, they get to pay the tax on the money at their bracket.
So when we pass out money as athletes, we give to our families all the time.
We're paying at our, we're giving it to them at our tax rate.
If it's in the trust, when I give it to them, my mom's tax tax break is way different than mine.
So I'm going to end up giving her the money to pay for the tax dude, but I'd just rather, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, 100%.
It's these things that causes a man to go.
Yeah, how did you learn?
How do you pick these up?
Well, my degree is in business, first of all.
My degree is in business management organization.
And back then, you had to graduate early to leave and go to school early.
So I graduated after my junior year of eligibility and went to the draft.
That's how I controlled my draft.
Like, when Green Bay called with the seven pick, Green Bay, like, Mike, cool.
We're going to draft a receiver right here.
And we're thinking about it.
I said, no way, Green Bay.
Really?
No way.
Don't do it, buddy.
Don't do it.
I'm not leaving Florida for Green Bay.
Wow.
Really?
No, I'm too dark.
That's because I like the sign.
That's why I'm this guy.
It won't work in Green Bay.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
And see, they couldn't draft me because if team drafted you, I could have dropped the class, gone back to summer school, and they would have lost the drive choice.
And I could have applied for a supplemental draft.
So I had total control.
That's why I did.
I learned that from Bernie Cozar when he graduated a couple years ago.
The slowest quarterback in Madden history.
I was the brokest dude in the world sitting to negotiate with the NFL.
No way.
No way.
I knew I was only going to play in Dallas, L.A., or New York.
I was willing to give up some ends on the front end because I know I'll make it back up on the end of the day.
If you had been in LA for marketing.
I thought this whole time is because you were a cowboy fan, yo.
I'm so disappointed.
My dad was a big cowboy fan.
Yeah, yeah.
But no, I did.
We were cowboy fans.
We all be huge cowboy fans.
But I knew I was going to go to Dallas.
And then Jimmy, Jimmy came to me, Jimmy Johnson.
He said, Michael, he said, I understand what you're doing.
I can appreciate his sister, but Dallas is going to draft you.
He said, none of them damn shenanigans with that.
I said, no, Coach, I said, I'm going to go play for Dallas.
This is going to play for Dallas.
I said, so why would you think I would do?
He said, I'm just telling you.
He said, I'm telling you right now because I got an OYO buddy friend of mine who's about the Dallas Cowboys, about to buy the Dallas Cowboys.
Isn't that crazy?
I'll be joining you next year.
Oh, shit.
So you knew it was going to happen.
He was coming.
I knew he was coming.
Oh, and Jerry bought the team the next year and brought in Jimmy.
Wow.
And you've been playing for Jimmy.
Yeah, at the U, yeah.
Oh, my God, dog.
A couple weeks ago, when they gave him his Super Bowl, his Hall of Fame ring.
Jimmy.
Jimmy Johnson.
Yeah.
At Cowboy Stadium.
Yeah.
My God, man.
Hey, listen.
You're good.
I was right in back of him.
He was right there addressing the crowd.
I had just seen Jimmy at the Hall of Fame.
You know, he just got in haul and he was happy.
And I see him happening.
And when I saw him, I ain't never seen him this happy in my life.
And I just started crying and crying and crying.
I'll get emotional talking about it now because I sat there and looked at him and like, damn, look at all of this.
And the people were going crazy.
And I thought about the whole journey and all that we've done together.
And I was like, man, all of this could have been gone if he wasn't a great man that he is.
Because I got into shit on my first day in college.
I heard about this.
I mean, I'm swinging and whooping people's ass my first day in college.
I had just got there.
And they were playing with freshmen on the table, on the table.
Freshmen can't eat.
I'm like, dude, I'm one or six.
Let me, I ain't never see a steak like that.
We ain't had it.
My mom, she would take whatever they had around the house and whoever she was clean, who she would clean with, whatever food they would give her.
And she would put it all in a pot.
They call it a casserole.
We don't even know what it was.
But now I had a training table, all this food.
And they were making the freshmen's wait.
I was like, man, I ain't waiting, man.
They ain't come here to play, man.
I got to make some money now.
So this big lineman kept trying to make me wait, make me wait.
And I did.
I did the first couple of times.
And then he tried to go and order the same damn steak I wanted.
Man, I cracked his head with that click and started whooping.
They took me.
This is my first day.
They took me to Jimmy's office and I walked in.
Jimmy said, Mike, he said, Son, you just got here, son.
We can't be fighting our teammates, son.
We can't do it.
And I'm thinking, he's about to send me home, man.
I just got up out of that damn ghetto.
But he did.
He said, you're a young man.
I'm not going to suspend you.
He said, I'm going to take it up with my senior because he should have known better not to let it get to that situation.
So I was just thinking about all the time that I had screwed up that first year.
That wasn't the only fight.
That was the only fight.
I got in another fight a week and a half later in the weight room with linebacker.
He pushes me because we're changing the music.
Freshmen were supposed to lift and we're lifting.
Freshmen.
Then they come in early and they change the music.
I said, hey, man, still the freshman hour.
We got 10 more minutes.
That's it for the freshman.
We're not doing that.
I'm going to twist it back.
And then they come and switch.
I said, dude, I said, we got eight more minutes.
You just killed two of them, but we're going to take our eight minutes.
I switched it back.
And then he pushes me.
I said, oh, okay.
Okay.
And they get it between us.
Coach comes right down, calls us upstairs, a private meeting.
We got a team meeting.
And I was up there on steam.
I'm on steam.
I ain't heard nothing.
He said, Do you joking in that room?
What?
I got to see this Joker.
What?
Hey, Jimmy said, I want both.
Michael, I want you.
And it's come down in the middle of this right now and shake hands.
And I was still on steam, dog.
I was like, I totally joked, man.
I ain't with this.
I ain't here for this, man.
I got to make some money.
I get my family like that.
Hell, man.
And a whole wilderness walking down there.
He said, just shake his hand.
Just shake his hand.
Just shake his hand and it's over.
And the closer and closer I got, the harder and harder I got.
And as I got close to him, I held out the left hand.
Oh, shit.
And that's just out of left hand.
And I held the he was shaking.
I said, oh, you okay?
Yeah.
And then it knocked him out, broke his jaw and everything.
Wow.
But Jimmy called me.
I said, I'm definitely getting.
I'm definitely going home.
And he called me off.
First thing he said, he said, because he's a big, big boxer fan.
He used to bring all the big boxers over to talk to us.
He looks at me, said, Son, have you ever thought about boxing?
Stop, damn.
You know, so what I was thinking about when he was getting his ring and I saw him so happy and all the moments and all the things we won national championship, we won Super Bowl.
Man, we lived a life, man.
And I said, oh my God, all of it.
I could have missed it all if he had just sent my rude ass back home.
None of it would have happened.
And I just couldn't stop crying because thanking him for just believing in me till I got through that rough time.
So obviously he sees great talent in you.
That's why you're playing.
Yeah, he would say, if you're good, you get away with more, right?
Yeah, Jimmy.
Well, Jimmy said, yeah, I want to don't, don't, don't, don't, he said, I'm not, don't talk about my fear.
Fair says everybody gets the same thing.
Just say every just says everybody gets what they deserve.
If your ass is out here and you're not making a whole lot of plays and I got any kind of problem, get on out of here.
But if you make plays after plays after plays, we run into a little hiccup.
We can work through that.
No matter what that hiccup is, we can work through it.
Guys, I'm going to quickly interrupt this incredible interview with the legend, the playmaker Michael Irvin, because I got to tell you about the infamous tour.
We're coming to Florida, okay?
Not this weekend, but next weekend.
We're in it.
We're going to be in Jacksonville.
All right.
Jacksonville, make sure you go check that out.
We're also coming to the Laughing Spree Fest in Boca and then closing out the year in Boston, New Year's Eve, and the day before New Year's Eve.
We got three shows at the Wilbert Theater.
Make sure you go check that out.
Also, Toronto, things have been crazy.
Keep adding shows.
Wild times.
Massey Hall shutting us down, but we're coming back and we just keep adding shows and stuffing in their stupid fucking faces.
So Toronto, thank you for all the love on that.
Plenty more shows up at theandrewschultz.com.
We added a bunch more shows.
California, New Orleans, a bunch of other places.
Go to theandrewschultz.com.
Check those out.
The infamous tour is coming, baby.
Akash, what you got?
This weekend, I'm going to be at Zaney's in Nashville.
Cop your tickets.
Hurry the fuck up.
December 9th through 11th, D.C., I'm going to be at the Comedy Loft come through January 7th and January 8th.
I'm going to be in Dallas at Hyenas.
Come buy tickets.
And also, hit up Michael Irvin.
Tweet him.
Hit him on IG to tell him to come through also.
And you know what?
Let's just get back to that interview.
But my question is like he sees the talent, but there's also something that he sees in you.
And that's like how to coach you and how to bring out the best of you.
So do you think early on he understood you can't really tell Michael what to do?
Right.
Jimmy's a psychologist.
So tell me when you start to realize, like, oh my God, he knows.
Go, go, go.
You hitting hell on the head because I'm going to tell you something right now.
I was a freshman.
When I came in my freshman year, we had just lost two of the top receivers in college football, Ada Brown and Stanley Shakespeare.
And I was just a freshman.
I'm sitting in there watching film, watching film.
And dude, Jimmy walks by, that psychology part.
He walks by and he sees me in the studying.
And this is after we went through all the fights and everything, and he sees me in there studying, studying, studying.
And he said, hey, he said, hey, I said, what's up, coach?
He said, you read the paper?
Everybody's wondering, what are we going to do?
Now that Eddie Brown is 30 Shakespeare's gone, what are we going to do at wide receiver?
He said, hey, son, wait till I show the Michael Irving.
Don't let me down.
I said, what?
I refuse to let you give him up.
Are you crazy?
That's it.
Oh, dog.
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I put on a 50-pound weight vest, go run 70 flights of stairs all day.
That's all I was thinking about.
Boy, I'm going to show him.
Boy, I'm going to show.
But he knew.
He knew that.
He knew stuff like just little things like that to push you.
You know what I mean?
And bring the best out of you.
He was great at it, man.
Because there's certain coaches that might see you and they might coach you a different way.
And then you guys just have animosity to be funny.
Right.
But you wanted to walk through a wall for that.
Right.
And with Jimmy.
And he did it with Charles Haley.
He did it with Charles Hayes.
Same thing.
Charles Hay talks about all the time.
He said when he got there, we got Charles Haley from Sam Friend because, you know, Chuck had Charles had supposedly, you know, stood on top of the head coach's car and just took out that third leg he has and just watered it down.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What?
Yeah, yeah.
Charles Haley was the wildest.
Yeah.
And I ain't, when I sell third leg, that's what it is.
I'm talking about it.
Second leg.
Third leg.
Longest third leg on the Cowboys.
Longer third leg in the world.
I don't watch enough flicks to know.
Hey, nobody got Chucky.
I watched enough flicks to know.
Hey, nobody got Chucky, dog.
Hey, I'm bullshit.
All right, let me stop.
I don't want a fella.
Take my job.
I said, I'm sorry, NFL.
This is not becoming on it.
I don't want to be ready.
I'm just sharing old stories.
So Chuck came over to the, and then Jimmy knew how to do it.
And Jimmy knew it, right?
Jimmy went at Chuck one time, yelled, and went at him.
And Chuck was just, and he went in a tank.
He went in the tank.
And Coach said, hey, come to my office.
And he talked to him about it.
And Coach, and Jimmy, and Charles said, Coach, you know, I just, you know, I just, it just bothers me when it's like that.
Coach said, no problem.
Okay.
He said, that's how you work.
That's what I work with.
He says, I can work with that.
He said, I'll pull you aside if you need be.
I don't mind.
He says, I'm glad you're telling me this.
That means something to a man.
And he says, from that point, Charles said, we never had any problems because that was it.
You're dealing with grown men.
That's what makes football such a great sport.
And most worlds, in most worlds, I tell people, most worlds, most people, in order to be the best in their world, they're sitting on a computer or design approach.
In football, in order to be the best, you have to go through what hand-to-hand, man-to-man comeback.
It's not just about skill, it's also about will.
Since it's another man, I got to look in another man's soul who wants to take care of his family, who wants to feed his wife and kids, and say, I want it more than you.
You know what I'm saying?
So, so it's not just about my skill, it's also about my will and having a coach that knows how to tinker with your mind to make sure your will is right.
It's insane basically in this game.
Makes all the difference in the world.
Because it is tricky.
Like, you want, there's certain people that can make you want to give everything for you.
Right, And they just have to be able to find that trigger.
How?
Right.
And how do they do it?
And that's interesting that he was able to do it.
And he was able to do it differently for you than necessarily for Chuck.
As a leader of a team, too.
Now, I had to find that with the players.
I'm going to tell you something, dude.
There's a dude, dog.
But there's a defensive back.
This dude was a physical freak of an athlete.
And I mean, he would be killing it in practice.
And then we get in the game and different things happen.
And so I'm like, man, I got to figure this out, man.
Let's go.
And everybody's yelling, let's go, let's go, let's go.
And it never really got to anything.
So I said, okay, this is what I got to do.
I said, I'm going to have to spend some time.
I'm going to take some time.
I get in my car.
I go.
I go over to his house.
I go to his house.
I say, okay, this is what I'm going to do.
I go to his house.
I said, hey, man, what's up, dog?
I said, man, I'm in the neighborhood, man.
He said, yeah, I might say, I'm going to stop by and have a drink.
He said, all right, come on by.
I went by.
Dude, he had his little daughter.
Let's call her Pam in his hand.
And when I got to the door, he said, man, come on in.
Mike, man, baby, we got something to eat or drink.
Never put down the pam.
Then when he got ready, walked me to the car.
After we're not, hey, and everything, walk me caught.
Neil put Pam down.
He said, all right, see, ladies, we're playing with, man.
I got in the car.
I said, I got this Joker now.
Yeah.
I got him.
I got him.
See, in order to lead, I mean, you got to know what makes the man.
What makes the man.
Now, the next time we get in the game and he wasn't doing well, everybody, yelling at him.
And he's really tanking it.
He's tanking.
I just walked by him.
I said, hey, man, I said, hey.
That's the best you can get, Pam.
That's all she deserves.
I walked off.
Oh, this was a whole new motherfucker.
Oh, I'm talking about the dude with killing everybody.
I said, I got him now.
That's all I had to do.
And anytime things got, I just picked up Pam.
I said, hey, man, Pam gonna need you, man.
This is the best you had to give him.
You're going to be able to take care of her playing.
Like, you ain't going to be in lead long.
Woo!
Whole new man come out.
You got to know what pulls a man.
You know what I mean?
Like me, if you'd have said, take care of him.
Oh, hey, man.
All you had to do was say, I thought you said you were going to take care of your mom.
You think you could take care of her with this effort?
Oh, you'd have got a whole nother effort.
A whole nother effort.
What makes that man tick?
As a great leader, if you are a great leader, you got to leave.
That's why I always tell people: don't be so quick to want to get in the leadership role because you see it as a position of dominance and dominion over people.
A real leaders, real leadership is not about dominion over.
It's about servitude, too.
You got to serve everybody.
You got to get the best out of everybody.
And bossing people just don't do it.
And especially today, especially today.
And you can't just boss people any kind of way and think there's no repercussions because they got all the momentum.
They're going to put all they're going to post about it.
They're going to complain about it.
You know what I mean?
So you have to be careful, even with that leadership.
It's about servitude.
So who was the best leader you played with?
Because I heard you say Troy all the time, but it seemed like you were.
I remember whenever you would go out, the team would not win.
We were 3-0 when you had your injury that ended your career.
And then we finished like 8-8.
The Cowboys said we, the Cowboys.
Yeah, yeah.
So to me, it always felt like you were the heart, but everybody else says Troy.
So why was he the better leader?
Well, Troy, Troy was the director, and we needed that.
We needed someone that's straight, that straight leg, straight, that's straight.
And Troy was straight with that.
That was good.
We need that.
Now I'm rallying the troops.
Let's go.
You know, Troy's going to come to me.
And I'm going to go to Tampa.
I'm going to rally.
Let's go.
And I'll never forget it.
Even Troy would say this.
One time I was hurt and I couldn't practice.
And we went up to DC.
We lost the game.
And on the plane back, Choice said, Can I talk to you?
And I came back, man.
He said, He said, How you feel?
I said, Man, McQuad, I had to pull McQuad.
I said, He said, Man, he said, I know you're not healthy, but can you just come back to practice?
I just, your practices aren't the same without you out there.
Even if you, Mike, I know you're not 100%, but I just need you out there because the practicer, you know what I mean?
That's leadership.
Yeah, that's leadership.
You have to know what you need for that team.
And for him to come and say it, you know, I say, absolutely, Roy.
I'll be out there.
I'll be out there and make sure.
Because I just kept it going.
You know, in practice, I kept it going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love it, man.
We don't want to take all your time, man.
I think all your time.
I've been talking.
I'm in the only one talking, man.
We're just so, hey, man.
We're just so grateful you came through, man.
Big fans over here.
We want to tell people about the things you got going on.
So please tell them everything, all the information that they can get.
How they can consume Michael Irvin in as many ways as possible.
It's crazy, man.
It's everywhere.
Well, let me get all my social media at Michael Irving88.
So that gives you that.
But now, also, y'all do a podcast.
Oh, you gotta check it out.
Mike Irving podcast.
And everybody's in this world now.
Gotta do it.
And I like that.
I like it because it's a long form.
You know what I mean?
I mean, it's not just bitch.
TV, you know, I'm on TV Thursday night football.
I'm on TV Sunday, NFL game day, a Monday first take.
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I get to speak in spurts to people.
But when you do these, you get to speak long form with people.
And that's always incredible.
That's why I do enjoy.
I enjoy going off the rails and phenomenal.
You're phenomenal, man.
You're the greatest, dude.
Yeah, this is absolutely great.
I think you have a lot of Flavorant Soup fans going to check out your podcast.
That's my society.
I appreciate that, man.
I appreciate it.
I see y'all build this thing up and doing it right over here.
Hey, we're trying to work on this.
Anything we put up at this building, I was like, damn.
He's backing together.
All them passes I caught on right back in this shit.
You know what I mean?
All right, but I was thinking it's so funny you say that because I was this kind of stuff I tell my lady at home, right?
Y'all know, like, yo, my lady, I said, baby, can you take the guy?
I said, take the garbage out.
Use these hands?
These hands that brought you out of the hell hole that you were living in?
How would you put these hands upon garbage?
Boy, you'll take that garbage.
That's okay, baby.
I tried, but I just, you know, have fun with that thing.
I know, Arkash, Arkash said it was mandatory viewing.
Yeah.
That you watch your Hall of Fame speech.
He said it is the greatest Hall of Fame speech he's ever seen.
It's the greatest speech I've ever heard an athlete make.
I appreciate you saying that, man.
26 minutes, no notes.
No notes.
No notes.
Off the dome.
After the podcast, I can see how that's possible.
Off the dome.
But these are things you've probably been thinking and planning your entire career, your entire life, maybe.
Like you're imagining.
Yeah, just living.
And just living it, you know.
And as a communicator, now I like to joke and have fun, but I also study it.
You know, I understand the power of communication and I understand how the brain works.
In our brains, we have what you call sensory receptors, millions of sensory receptors in your brain that you bring in and galvanize information through your five senses, your ear gate, nosegate, mouthgate, touch gate, or through your five eye gate.
Through those five senses, you have millions of receptors in your mind, in your brain.
In that same brain, you have billions of receptors in your imagination.
So when you're in class and your teacher's speaking, turn to page 35.
On page 35, you'll be like, You're falling asleep because he's only talking to the million of receptors in your brain.
Yeah, so as you're bringing that information, you're falling asleep.
But in a movie, you'll watch a show that you've seen before and you'll be wide awake late at night.
We ask, no, you should be asleep.
I do it all the time.
You know, you should be asleep because the movie's coming in story form.
Yeah.
The movie activates the billion of receptors which keeps you awake.
This is why they play music before the scene.
Don't yeah, done.
Don't now, even scenes you've seen before, your brain starts thinking of possibilities.
You're jumping before anything even happens because they've activated the billions of in your billions of receptors in your imagination.
In the Hall of Fame speech, I don't speak linearly.
Everything I speak is in story form.
Even when I'm saying to my wife, for better or for worse, are the words they say to you before marriage.
Baby, I have worked tirelessly to give you the for better, but I also gave you the for worse.
Now I'm giving you and telling her I'm sorry, but I'm giving it to you in story form.
It brings you into it, and then you'll start living those moments, not just hearing those moments, feeling those moments, because I touched the four lobes of your brain, the four lobes of your brain: your SM, A T, L M, and F E brain.
Your S M is your sensory motor brain, A and T is your attention and think your brain, L M is your learning and memory brain, and anything that touches all four, you will always remember.
That fourth one is your feeling and emote brain.
You think your feelings just come from your heart, but this is also in your brain.
And anything that touches all four, you should remember it forever.
That's why I can play a song, just the music, and you ain't heard it in 10 years, and the words will pop right back just like that.
Now, I'm giving y'all for free what they pay me millions.
Finance vs Football00:01:11
I shall stop right here, right here, guys.
The playmaker, Michael Irvin, make sure you go check out Michael Irvin podcast, check him out on ESPN, all the goddamn chime.
And, dude, you're awesome, man.
You are a real, you are a real talent outside of your football talent.
I think that that's something people have learned from watching you on TV and definitely interpersonal relationships.
But it is so nice to see someone who has achieved success and then be completely justified in their success after meeting them.
Like certain people you meet and you're like, oh, they got lucky.
And then certain people you meet, they're like, if it wasn't football, if it was finance, he was going to be this successful.
If it wasn't football, it was politics, he was going to be this successful.
Like Dallas got lucky that you got football.
So if it was some other shit, the same thing was going to go down.
I appreciate it.
So it's a pleasure meeting me by that.
I'm absolutely right.
Yo, they say, Don't meet your heroes.
This was better.
This is better.
This is better than I thought it was.
Anything you need, we're here for you, my brother.
So just let us know, okay?
And we're moving to Manhattan.
So don't worry.
We're having back.
You're going to have me back just to see the new bill.