DJ Akademiks and Andrew Schulz dissect DJ Akademiks' firing of staff Rory and Maul over alleged intimidation, contrasting their $40k salaries with Joe Budden's alleged exploitation. They analyze Tekashi 6ix9ine's strategic use of controversy versus his actual lack of violence, comparing his independence to Drake's corporate dominance and Floyd Mayweather's longevity. The conversation critiques Spotify's algorithmic blackballing, mob justice in cancel culture, and the financial realities of hip-hop wealth, ultimately arguing that true power lies in independent business acumen rather than traditional industry gatekeeping. [Automatically generated summary]
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Squashing The Beef00:15:04
Both of them together, be just a butthead, and tell them to come up with a fucking six times more like Trump.
The rappers get very sensitive about their money because they're lying.
I'd be sensitive too.
They're like, You'll never see him post that's Twitter.
I've criticized Nikki.
Nikki fans will turn me down.
Like, I've thought, like, am I gay?
No, they're good.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant 2.
We have an illustrious guest today.
Yes, Son, who I'm very excited to have on the podcast.
Matter of fact, I don't think we could start it with the album.
Oh, y'all do all the good stuff on me.
You know what I mean?
You got any for me?
Come on, man.
Hey, listen, man.
We got the Adriena Chrome for Alex Jones.
We got the Hennessy XO for the one and only DJ Academics.
Listen, you want to credit that over there, Act?
I'm just writing this narrative and saying that, hey, listen, y'all needed a little bit of extra diversity.
Salute to my man Alex over there, but y'all need some extra diversity.
Y'all been going vibe for this Alex Jones shit, man.
Y'all bring some color to the set.
I mean, look at that guy right next to you.
They don't count you for no like.
What is that?
You said we had this solidarity.
And you only want that shit when it's time to march, huh?
Truth be told.
I've been like, I've been doing the Googles now.
Okay, talk to me.
To be honest, at first, I was like, y'all look kind of crazy for even thinking that, but I'm like, I can see why.
But it's not in a bad way.
See why what?
See why what?
I can see why with the Alex Jones.
You see what Joe said.
Come on, let's kick it off, man.
Don't worry.
Hold on.
I got time for you.
Let me get.
No, but you want some ice, bro?
Of course.
Do you want some ice?
Okay, we could do something.
What type of hoodie get?
Let me give me some good stuff.
Okay.
We asked Ak if he wanted water when he came to the podcast.
He said he only drinks liquor.
That's his exact words.
I only drink liquor.
Okay, so let's start it off.
Wait, who said what?
Man, don't act like, are we acting like you didn't hear?
Yeah, I love it.
I don't know, bro.
I love the subliminal.
I truly have not.
I truly have not.
He's planning a wedding.
He's an Indian wedding.
That's a very big deal.
I got Eric this weekend, bro.
You hear his little frame of reference.
Yo, you went to Rutter's.
That is an Indian wedding.
That whole campus is one big ass Indian wedding.
You should know about this, bro.
Like the whole little business school over there.
I love them, though.
You know what I mean?
All right.
Stop talking about that boring nerd shit.
Let's talk about some real stuff and let's pour this liquor.
What do we have to discuss?
Bro, you've been actually been trending for like the last week.
What happened?
What happened, man?
What happened?
What?
What happened?
I don't even know.
I was at the beach.
Well, first of all, man, I was at the beach.
I was in the Hamptons.
Because honestly, I really want to squash the beef between you all me.
Okay.
First of all, which Joe are we talking about?
We're talking about Joe Biden?
I assume.
Yeah, President United States.
No, no, we're talking about the President University.
Oh, Joe Buden.
Oh, Joe Buden.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Listen, you know, I love Joe Buden, bro.
I think he got a cute little Patreon.
It's cute.
You know what I mean?
His Patreon's cute.
He got a cute little Patreon, bro.
I'm just saying, release the numbers.
He got a cute little Patreon.
No, I don't usually shout stuff.
I usually don't talk about people I've passed.
So, you know, you brought him up, but like, I don't talk about people I've passed.
I used to talk about when he was bigger than me.
And, you know, now he got to use my name for a while.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
He got to use my name for clickbait, Act.
I mean, times have changed.
He used to never talk about me.
Wouldn't have let me at me on a podcast.
Now you got to say my name.
You really think.
You got to say my name, bro.
You can't say shots.
You got to do that.
Crazy.
They ain't calling me, baby.
All of a sudden change.
Say my name and say my name.
I come over to sleep for a man.
I used to do a show with him, man.
I can't.
He don't get a long leg.
Yeah, used to, motherfucker.
Used to.
A lot of people used to do showed up.
Scott Jesus.
I don't know.
There's a lot of people used to work for Joe Biden.
Joe Buddy.
He's the Trump rap.
Oh, a lot of ex-employees, bro.
You're fired.
Isn't that what he said?
Fired.
He compares himself to more like Dave Schaelle.
Yeah, I would too if I wanted, if I was actually Trump.
Yeah, Trump.
I can't remember.
I'm not Abraham Lincoln.
You think it's Andrew, Andrew, Andrew?
This really started.
Hey, you know who I'm like?
Gandhi.
Yeah, I mean, you are like, I'm just like Gandhi, you are like Gandhi.
I'm just like Martin Luther King.
Martin Luther King.
You know what I mean?
Jesus right now, Mark.
That's literally Jesus.
We got Jesus on the podcast.
We got Jesus over here.
We got Gandhi over here.
We got Gandhi.
Who am I?
I'm just Andrew Schultz, bro.
Why are you here on?
Is this all because I remember y'all did like a joint podcast before?
Obviously, you know, you do brilliant idiots with Charlamagne, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And for whatever reason, you were not invited.
There was a lot of shots taken at you.
After that podcast.
I didn't say it was about Joe.
After that podcast, they did one with Joe's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you weren't invited.
I was told I wasn't allowed to be there.
Okay.
You felt a certain type of way about it.
Yeah, sure.
At the time, yeah, I said.
Don't shrug, you know, because I hear the shots.
I'm trying to get to a point.
No, no, I'm saying honestly, at the time, yeah.
I was like, okay, I thought we're, you know, creating this cool kind of, you know, fake beef shit.
And I want to be part of it.
I want to talk some shit.
It's podcast beef.
And I know you're going to talk about me, so if you're going to talk about me, why wouldn't you want me there?
Is podcast beef like good for business?
No, because we don't beef with nobody.
We're the best in the business.
We really are.
So it's like, this is boring for me.
Like, I don't want to.
I want to edit this out.
Yeah.
Like, I don't want to talk about it.
I want to have fun.
But Joe needs it.
Let's help Joe.
We need to help Joe.
Joe is down bad.
Say what?
You think he's down bad?
No, I don't think he's down bad, but he's not up.
No way.
He's not up.
Okay.
The girl that talks about sucking dick for a living got 60 million from Spotify.
60 million from talking about sucking dick calls her throat the gluck cluck 3000.
That's what she refers to it at.
I didn't even make it up.
She goes, it's the gluck cluck 3000.
I need to see what that's about.
No, she got 60 million.
I don't know.
Sign up to the saddle.
She showed us off.
No, she's just talking about sucking dicks and she used to suck this to call her daddy.
I'm pretty sure she does a little bit more than that.
Come on.
Bro, bro.
Does she do it?
She just tells stories about sucking dicks.
That is what I do.
This is how bad girls are telling stories.
They got to actually suck dicks to make that money.
This one girl that could tell stories made 60 fucking million.
In a roundabout way, you're almost hinting like Joe fumbled the bag.
No, no, we already said that.
But he said exclusively he fumbled the bag, and then he's just, you know, copying the video, and it is what it is.
That's what I think his perspective for you guys to have because you guys are independent.
Yes, of course.
Well, as independent as you can be, we do rely on big tech.
No, of course, but like, you know, him, him, we do rely on big tech.
You know what I mean?
Him going independent, though.
In the Chinese slave camps.
Him going to the pennant, though.
Yeah.
Like, I would imagine you guys would like salute that move.
That's the thing I can't understand about the little tips right here.
You know what I mean?
Like, you both are on Patreon.
Oh, you want me to be logical?
Yes.
Oh, no, no, no.
That's no fun.
Yeah.
This is feelings.
Whatever he does is wrong.
Whatever we do is right.
No, I salute it.
I just think, give us some credit.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Why you get on Patreon?
Was that your idea?
You never seen anybody else do it?
Okay.
So you guys feel like, yo, you guys discover the moon and here he comes basically, you know what I mean?
With a title, all that.
Honestly, I don't really think about it.
I'll be honest.
I don't really think about it.
I thought it was funny that he went from never saying my name to needing to say my name.
And that was cool because it's like, wow, I'm at a point where you have to.
Even if you don't want to, you have to.
And that was a cool thing.
You heat up the streets, huh?
Say what?
You heat up the streets.
I don't know about the streets.
I was in a Hamptons.
I was just chilling.
Here's the thing.
I really, I'm weird and I'm kind of like this in my relationships as well, where it's like, I'll have like a fight with my girl.
Like, we'll argue about something.
I'll forget what we fought about.
Really?
So, like, I know that I'm not supposed to like Rory and Maul, but I forget why.
Really?
Yeah, I don't know why.
Who's dissing on you?
But for what?
What were they dissing on?
Because of something I said?
Because if I make fun of you and then you make fun of me back, that's okay.
I have the memory of an elephant.
I remember.
Yeah, listen.
What's up?
You came recording.
As soon as you sat down, save it.
Yeah, okay, good.
Talk to me.
To be honest, I forget what I said.
Well, even in that podcast that you didn't go to, I remember like the little Bako dude, he was like, yo, I'm funnier than Andrew Schultz.
Yeah, but we know that that's crazy.
Like, it's like.
I mean, does he believe that?
Of course, he can't believe it.
There's no way he can believe that.
I mean, hey, well, listen, you haven't gotten past it.
Me, I save stuff like that.
Yeah, but like, it's like, it's like somebody saying, like, it's like your girl saying that she could beat you in arm wrestling.
Yeah.
It's cute.
You know what I mean?
It's not real.
It's like, oh, that's adorable.
Like, you think you're funny?
Like, I don't compete with people in funny that don't go on stage.
Yeah, the only thing is, I'm watching the craziest thing.
And I kind of watch all this like podcast dynamic shit.
Yeah.
And I'm watching like the audience.
Like, I don't know if it's Joe's audience or just the podcast audience.
They're rooting for these dudes who felt who seem now to be the victims of Joe.
But it's so crazy that they co-signed all the time.
They sat next to him.
It was like everything he said, they were ad living like Damigos.
So the whole time it happened, they're ad living.
Matter of fact, I remember when he was talking about the Spotify thing, like they were ad living talking crazy shit.
People don't think we got a plan.
People don't think that we're smarter than the average Joe.
And I'm looking like, these dudes don't even know how much the deal is for.
Now they come out and start crying.
Shedding a tear is the easiest way to get back on people's good side.
Everybody forgot that.
Everybody's like, yo, we want him to win.
Let's get these guys to the top.
And I'm like, is this entertaining to everybody watching?
Or are you so mad at this guy who I think that nah, the tears got to be justifiable, though?
If you just see a grown man whining, you're like, shut the fuck up.
You don't like grown man whining.
But if you feel it's justified, then, oh, shit, the emotions were on their side.
You can't PR-wise, fire two people, not even have them there, and then expect people to not be like, that's kind of fucked up.
And then on that same podcast, have the one guy left be like, yeah, the Spotify deal was a bad deal.
When you yelled at us for three hours about how it was a great deal, and we're fucking idiots and we have no right to only thing I said was a bad deal.
I said he wasn't even crazy if he asked for 50 million with Spotify.
And then, who the fuck is the Indian dude?
Blah, blah, blah.
I defend you.
I'm just saying that's a bad deal.
You acknowledge it.
Acknowledge it.
Well, is that what we were arguing about?
That's what I said.
I don't know where y'all be getting.
I did, bro.
I started catching the tears.
Good life, man.
I like that, bro.
I'm just trying to be like, act, bro.
I'm just trying to be like four and zero.
I see the car collection.
I'm still riding Uber.
I'm still riding Uber.
That's a collection.
I know you got the real stuff.
I don't got nothing.
I got a fake Porsche.
I got a fake Porsche.
You got to pop up on my Netflix.
I'm great, dog.
I don't know what you're saying.
I was going to try to fight out.
I was going to try to be humble, but I'm great.
All right.
So when are we all going to mend this relationship and all come together and be a big happy family?
Because I'm ready to forgive Rory and Maul for what I said about them.
What?
Hey, I forgive y'all.
Now that you guys are doing your podcast out of my boys' podcast studio, I forgive y'all for what I've said about them.
Okay, so the money is keeping the money in the family.
You good?
Bro, it's family paying them out here.
That's it, bro.
I like that.
I didn't say pimping them out.
I didn't say pimping them out.
Nah, none of that.
You know what I mean?
Put that bussy on the streets, boys.
That's what I'm telling you.
That's the best way to squash me.
No, wait, hold on.
No, when you have mutual, uh, mutual assured, not destruction, but benefit.
Like, you know how they said, uh, mutual interest, mutual interest, like two countries that got a McDonald's, never been a war.
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Like, if we both want to make money, if we're out here for capitalism, then let's cook.
All right, just objectively speaking, before we get onto this whole forget this shit, right?
Yeah, have y'all watched like what them two dudes got going on?
No, yes, that should look pretty.
That should look beautiful.
The studio looks fire.
I ain't lie.
He got his hand in the pockets right now.
He's on defense or something else.
You press record and we record it.
I just want to make sure.
House Botox working overtime.
So stop.
I know you don't like them, but one, the show is good.
Clearly, you see it.
You see the numbers.
You see the numbers.
This is not talking about it.
You see the numbers.
By themselves, they're doing better than Joe right now.
I'm just saying.
Oh, shit.
Whoa, he shit as Destroy.
He should have buckshot.
Let's just forgive it, forget.
No, they're not doing better than DJ Academics.
Okay.
Spanish pounds on.
Buck, buck, buck.
Listen, I think, and I'm being very fair and objective.
We got to give it six months.
It's a new podcast.
It's like four episodes out.
Yes.
Are we really like, are you going to be the hottest thing out?
Are you going to say smoke and Joe with like 400, 500 episodes, four episodes in?
Come on, bro.
I'm just saying, Joe's numbers is kind of going down.
And also, here's the thing.
We don't have that.
He's buying the paywall.
Is his audience has just hated him at this?
Yo, they're looking at Joe like Joe's.
You know anything from Instagram?
Derek Jackson.
Yeah, they feel lied to.
They feel lied to.
Like, they actually want him to just apologize and be like, I'll change.
How do you feel about that?
Do you think that they should feel lied to?
I could understand.
They grew a liking to these dudes.
Joe was spewing this creator, creator, creative.
Listen, I've always said to Joe, he's one of the best at creating a narrative.
I watched it.
I sat right across from him on Everyday Struggle, and I heard him say things.
And, you know, whether he believed it or not, I knew everybody that heard him believe it.
Trump.
And again, I mean, I think that's a shit pro.
But still, in terms of when you have people buying into an ideology, yo, people are buying in.
Sure.
And then the moment people seize that, wait, do we not?
Oh, you hustled me.
Nothing's going to change.
They're mad.
Snake oil.
I really feel like they're supporting these other dudes to piss him off.
Nah.
There's a little resounding.
Maybe their podcast is good.
I tuned in.
I tried to watch a little bit of it.
And I really watched it because I wanted to see if the production was better on their shit than our shit.
Because Alex got a lot of shit.
Now he got it.
If their audio was a little bit more crisp, I'd be upset.
I'd be upset.
If the visuals were a little bit more crispy, why not slide it here?
Go in there.
You think he's taking equipment from here?
No, it's top tour.
Alex Top Tour.
Joe Button would say, you're fine.
Yo, I love how you fire them whenever we're there.
You got to fire this chair sometimes.
Fire the chairs.
Let me tell you something.
Arcash said this shit yesterday.
Manipulating The Platform00:06:08
He texted me.
He goes, We're talking about you coming on.
He goes, Yo, you got to find it.
Is academics?
How is Academics the only person that can make Twitch fire?
Like, there are so many people on Twitch all playing Call of Duty.
Oh, my God, dude.
Shot me.
That's all they're saying.
I only signed up for Twitch to watch you.
Yeah.
I only signed up to watch.
I think I told you this shit.
And bro, that night, that night, I was sitting outside of Koyotaco, Miami, Florida, parked illegally in my car, watching you on my phone go crazy.
And every time you got to reset it, you got to watch a fucking ad again because I didn't pay.
So I'm losing out of some content.
Bro, it was unbelievable.
Only are you good, your boy, who's got one of the funniest Instagram, Grand Wizard Chat.
Yeah, chat, nigga, of course.
Bro, this is one of the funniest Instagram.
It's a private account, one of the funniest Instagram followers.
Yo, he's hilarious.
Listen, that's one of my loyal followers, man.
I'm bringing him to the top.
You really are.
I'm bringing him to the top.
You need to.
He's a good guy.
Because he's a character on the Twitch, it feels like.
Bro, the setup is.
Like, he's my assistant.
He's like, he keeps me up there throughout the day with everything going on.
It's unbelievable.
Everything.
Everything.
But I'm going to be honest.
Anyway, you killed it.
That night was fucking unbelievable.
Now, unbelievable content.
No edits.
Live in the moment.
Energy crazy.
And I'm not bullshit.
I do not give out compliments like this often.
They know this.
It's very hard to impress me.
That shit.
I mean, I was texting Charlamagne.
I was like, bro, I don't even know what I'm watching.
This shit is crazy.
It was absolutely crazy.
It's a little bit of head and dog.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
But the accent.
Oh, though, you got to treat yourself right, bro.
You got foreigns, dog.
Listen, man.
Listen, I'm a cheap date.
I'm a cheap date, man.
I get it going on.
Turn the cameras on.
It could be a little blurry.
Listen, as long as I'm in my element, I'm ready to go.
But I do want to, and I want, and I want, I see you're really quick to forgive these dudes.
And let me button up this point first.
Listen, okay, go, go, go.
The reason why I go so hard at them.
Yeah.
And I would have been forgave them.
Because really what happened was.
They might have said some wild shit about me that I'm forgetting that I might not forgive.
Yo, these dudes were hating on me.
So I went on everyday struggle, right?
But so far, I forgive him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I went on everyday struggle.
And me and Joe were on it.
Yeah.
They were like, Joe, like, you know what I mean?
Shoe cleaners, landscapers, pool cleaners, all that type of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They find out that Joe's doing a show with me, and it's an industry type of like, you know, mentality to be like, yo, why is this guy?
Like, I just came in a big audience.
They're like, how does he, why is he deserving, right?
Yeah.
Don't slick hate.
They're just overtly.
Get to the point they're overtly like, we're going to fuck with this guy.
They're saying it on the podcast.
Yeah.
And it happened for a couple years.
But I don't know, for whatever reason, the last like year or two, it felt like my platform and the dynamic of hip-hop, it just made a flip where people are like, you can't get around them, right?
Bro, I'm going to ask you about you're the most influential voice in hip-hop.
Now, I say this doing a podcast with Charlemagne, right?
I also say this.
I'm going to agree with that one.
Now, Charlemagne, Charlemagne is one of the most influential voices in media.
Yeah.
You have chosen to stick specifically to hip-hop.
There was a time where Charlemagne was the most influential.
I feel like you got a great hip-hop.
But no, of course, you'll get there as well if you choose.
We all continue to move on in our respective art forms.
But Charlemagne specifically went from talking about hip-hop to having politicians on talking about mental health.
He's continued growing that way.
You continue to grow.
But right now, I'm going to your page if some shit goes down.
I appreciate it.
For real.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know why I know that Lil Luzy pulled a gun out of St. John.
I don't even know who St. John is.
I don't know.
If somebody showed me a picture of St. John, I would say it wasn't that.
But I know it because I was looking for it.
But what you've also managed to do in the past year, year and a half is go from a hip-hop information site to your own persona much more so.
Yeah.
Like now, DJ Academics said some crazy shit on Twitch.
That's as much a DJ Academics story as the other shit you're important.
Did you make that choice consciously?
Like, yo, I need to do this for me.
No, I did Twitch because I had a million.
This is like 2017.
I had a million subscribers on YouTube and I realized I had to get more PC and I'm like, fuck.
Just because I remember I gave commentary on a Ray Rice situation and like YouTube did some shit to them.
They like spun my account around.
It did some shit to it.
I'm seeing yellows all over the place.
I'm like, whoa.
You did commentary like play by play.
I mean, he had the yellow market.
He did a madden.
I mean, kind of flip.
Damn goes, Fraser.
Damn ghost.
Hit the Joe Madden.
You guys are fucked up.
You guys said that.
I was just quoting.
I don't know.
This is all art.
Hey, YouTube Madden.
This is art.
This is satire.
Madden.
Okay.
So, in reality, I started realizing, I'm like, hey, certainly.
Alex is crazy, bro.
Yo, Alex, anytime you say something crazy, you just go, yo, Alex.
Blame on the black guy.
You blame him on the black.
You see how they do.
You see how they do.
I see how they do.
He's a black lesbian.
They can say, come on.
I'm listening.
I can't take the heat on this.
Come on, bro.
I got some shit cooking up.
I can't stay in the penalty forever.
Just point to that guy.
You know the hustle?
Yeah, I do, bro.
But I'm a cat by potato, bro.
Pass it along the line.
Get it.
So, really, I went on Twitch to just communicate with my core audience.
I wanted to find a core.
Yeah.
Because truth be told, people don't realize about building the audience.
Listen, you're going to have the masses.
Yeah.
But you need a grand wizard chat nigga to ride for you.
Yeah.
That's the person who you have 300 of those.
You know, the movie 300?
You have 300 of those better than 10,000 people.
So I went there and I'm like, if they will follow me off platform to somewhere else, they got to make an account.
At that time, it wasn't that easy to watch it on your phone.
And if they would watch me, they're my core audience.
That's why I'd then be like, yo, that's the chat niggas, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And that grew that over time, people just start stealing bites from that to say, he said this.
I used to, it was a secret thing.
Building A Core Audience00:15:33
Yeah.
It was supposed to be like just for a portion of the audience.
Now they, so I used to be talking crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm talking bop.
I'm telling you, listen, I'm stitching everybody.
I'm like, yo, yeah, I ain't gonna lie, I talked to a rapper yesterday.
He told me to slap this girl and said, I'm saying everything.
I'm even dropping.
At first, I'm dropping names because I'm thinking it's only my true, true.
It would be like Patreon because it's Patreon.
So I'm just giving it up.
All of a sudden, one day I look up.
It's like on a blog.
I'm like, and then I'm like, I can't deny it.
I'm on video.
I'm calling 4K.
So after a while, I'm calling 4K.
That's better than the UFOs, bro.
Yo, I figured out to kind of like, you know, manipulate a little bit, but it became almost like a platform where people wanted me to, you know, get on there and just keep it real.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
And as long as I didn't go too far, I was good.
So that's pretty much how you went too far when Rory and Maul got fired, bro.
All right.
All right.
So let me address it.
We like too far.
Let me address that.
This is the too far channel.
All right, hold on.
But that shit was too far.
I was to put them bums in a bump, bunkbed casket, man.
I'm sorry, man.
I'm going to tell you why.
You don't want them bum ass niggas pulled up to my house.
Wait, really?
Yes.
Paid the toll?
Fuck heels.
Well, yeah.
But listen.
Wait, were you more disrespected by the car?
Yeah, because where I live at, Akea, come on, man.
They saw him coming a mile away.
They hit you like, yo, someone's coming.
My neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on over here?
They thought it was my relative, like, yo, wait, you having a cookout?
I'm like, no, she's a bum.
You guys trespass.
He's in here.
Like, we're looking at him like, how did he get here?
So I have him on my security ticket.
Like, they pull up.
It's a huge, it's a huge light.
I'm going to just call it a compound.
You know what I mean?
Tax purposes is a shack.
They pull up, they swing open the door.
They're in the car.
It's two-dos.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think the dude was the other black dude on the show.
But who's that?
Are we acting like we don't know names now?
Mealyma, bro.
Okay, okay.
As I said, you're just trying to keep it.
The other one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He puts his hand out, and my mailbox is down there by the street.
Yeah, yeah.
He puts something in my mailbox.
Yeah.
And then I found it later.
Now, I didn't realize that it could have been something malicious until because I got a lot of enemies.
Bill trying to kill me.
Nikki boyfriend trying to kill me.
How many rappers are I'm beefing with?
I'm beefing like I like to keep a healthy list of like 10.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, make sure I gotta watch my back every little time.
I'm glad you came to our studio.
Yeah, you know, of course.
Of course, the first time I do my Googles, you know what I mean?
My guy Did the neighborhood check and I'm like, oh, I'm straight.
No, no, you're not.
Oh, wow.
There's some chick that just got tackled out of nowhere.
Like, the chicken is groping right outside.
We're moving right the fuck up out of here.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm too big for that.
I'm like, Jersey.
I'm like, Anthony Schultz is here.
I'm like, yo, this nigga is probably cooling with his toes out.
No crime.
Schultz.
Yo, that Miami look was crazy.
We didn't know.
I didn't know that shit was going in.
We did have a nice one.
So, I see it.
I see the letter, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They left you a letter.
It was a Hallmark card.
And the Hallmark card said, it was one of those like.
They got to do one of their sketches where they're picking out that card.
Is it open enough?
Like, this is open information.
I posted it.
Oh, please.
Rory, can you tell your workers that tell your workers?
Nah, stop it.
Stop.
Tell the two stooges.
You know what I mean?
Stop.
Pull both of them together, Beavis and Butthead, and tell them to come up with a fucking produce it in the studio.
Yeah, I gotta keep that.
The keeper, like, listen, send it all.
I want a preview.
Yo, you're not calling him Beavison.
Come on.
You got him sitting in the seats like that, too.
That's good, bro.
Stop.
You gotta get Grand Wizard to edit the video.
Yo!
Yo, Grant, Grant, we're gonna do this.
Okay, no, no, but I'm rooting for them.
I like them.
So shut up.
I like them, bro.
I truly root for them.
I truly do.
Bro, I like them, bro.
Yo, yo, so literally, I looked at this shit.
Now, I didn't know who really it was about at first, right?
Yeah.
Because truth be told, I can't.
That's why I'm angry at them.
Yo, I can't really see who's in the car.
I was going to say, I was like, you remember it.
I don't know.
Now that you said, yeah, but it was like fake pull-up.
I think they were just trying to push some girls.
Like, yo, we're coming for him.
I'm like, I don't got a membership.
It's so hard.
They were trying to smack you, man.
You think?
It is possible they just saw another white yacht dude with a big nose and they were like, Andrew Schultz at South House.
And it's just some soccer friend.
If you listen to this story, you'll realize these niggas actually think they're like some fake monsters.
Oh, really?
Like, they think there was some.
So the card was a threat.
Like, it had smiley faces, all type of.
It's like, it's like, yeah, it's Crayola.
Like, there's a little kid colored outside the lines.
Whoa.
Anyway, it was like, yo, happy boss day.
Now it's shit on them, call them stooges and workers.
They were denying that they were workers.
And I just knew it.
Like, people think that Joe is female information.
I'm like, bro, I do business with companies.
You do business with companies.
I know when they're doing business with three people or one person.
Yeah.
They were doing it with Joe.
And Joe was then doing his separate business with them.
Now, I pointed out the obvious and they were really upset because you know what?
It was exposing them to be the fraud because they were speaking on everybody else's business.
When it came to Gilly and his business, super outspoken.
They're like, yeah, you guys got to get your contracts in check.
This 10th.
No.
They were talking about game.
Yeah.
Hilly and Wallow.
Yeah.
Yo, yo.
I love those guys.
Those guys are great.
Are you cool with them?
Tell them to come on the pod, man.
They are legends, bro.
No, they are.
They are.
I love those guys.
Hilarious.
So I get the letter.
I can't really see who's in the car, but I see the car pull up because it's on scary camera, right?
Yeah.
And I'm like, damn, I got so many fucking enemies.
I got to go down the list.
And so me and my guy and another guy who really does a lot for me, I'm like, yo, who the fuck could it be?
So they're looking at me like, Nick Mill don't drive a Kia.
You really got to go to the middle of the moment.
Oh, could be a goon.
You know what I mean?
He sent the goon like, I mean, okay, this is the crash dummy right here.
Just go take him out with the Kia.
Oh, my goodness.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, somebody who's probably down bad.
Anyway, later that night, I'm on Twitch.
And I think I was listening to Tori Lane's album.
Now, I'm going to be honest, when I'm on Twitch, get him off the hen dog.
I'm having a good time.
Yeah, yeah.
I think I fell asleep by the way.
That's one.
That's why.
That's a PhD up.
That's Infinity House.
I'm falling asleep off Twitch.
I didn't really fall asleep.
I slept like an extended blink, bro.
Like, I was schooling.
I was schooling.
I was schooling, man.
Third back in the day, we were in class.
I'm going to let this one sleep.
This one, you know, I'm just going to close him for a second.
He was knocked at 20 seconds.
It was like the extended blink, bro.
I'm telling you, man.
Anyway, out.
He's extended drinks.
Yo, Truth and Toe.
I was passing.
I ain't gonna lie to you.
My man comes to my crib.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He turns off the stream.
I somehow just like move into the next room and start sleeping.
And I kid you not, like, I'm drunk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He says to me, and I don't know, it's the first time.
You know how they said, like, cocaine, like, if you're drunk, you're like mad sober again.
Yeah, yeah.
Somehow, while I'm about to just take a nap, well, this is gonna be really a nap.
He says, Rory tweeted at you saying you were like, you're getting paid to paid to sleep and listen to Tori's album.
And my eyes opened up like I just seen God.
I jumped right back on stream.
So, anyway, I'm tweeting at him.
I said, yo, hop on my stream right now.
Because honestly, I think none of those dudes, this is why I think they're really trash broadcasters.
I've always asked them, I said, I don't think Joe would let y'all get in a room to do a podcast or whatever with me.
But let's all get a mic.
Because I don't really think none of y'all are talented.
Let's get to it.
So, I'm like, I don't know why you got to.
I'm like, yo, I said it's a handicap mask.
Y'all could do the fusion.
I got both of y'all at the same time.
It's like two people with half a brain.
I got y'all.
Okay.
Anyway, he starts tweeting back at me because he doesn't want to come on the stream.
Oh, you invited him on the stream?
Yeah.
So this is the best.
He refused to go on the stream.
Yeah, this is real time.
Yeah, yeah.
All of a sudden, he started tweeting out numbers.
I'm like, huh?
First tweet has one number.
Second tweet, two numbers.
Third tweet, three numbers.
Fourth tweet, four numbers.
And I still can't get it.
But in his messages, right?
So it'd be like one.
Then one, five.
And I'm making these numbers up.
He actually tweeted actual numbers.
Then it looked like he was trying to send a message.
I'm telling you, he thinks it's some godfather shit.
He says to me, listen, if people wanted to hurt you, we could have heard it.
Like something like that.
Then it clicks.
The nigga tweeted out my zip code.
So now I connected.
The letter is the same thing.
Letter in the mailbox.
I didn't receive the threat because I got mad enemies, right?
I'm thinking, Rory, like this fucking albino dweeb, like dropping off a fucking Hallmark card.
I'm not scared of this.
This clown.
What were we about to call him?
What?
You always went full Jamaican right there for a second.
Listen, y'all don't have to believe this.
Y'all don't have to believe it.
Anyway, so it quickly dawned on me.
This fucking clown was trying to intimidate me.
Yeah.
Drop something off of the mailbox.
Now he's so mad I didn't connect the threat to him.
He's tweeting out my zip code.
I'm like, bingo, I've been on his ass ever since.
Ever since.
But that's disrespectful to tweet out your zip code and also leave.
Bro, if somebody comes to your house, listen, I don't know where people come from, but you come to somebody's house, you're playing death games.
And why do you think he would do that?
It would have been fire for me.
He was like a Hallmark confusion.
He's one of those people.
Sorry for your loss.
That shit would have been terrifying and scary.
He's one of those people who I don't know.
Maybe he's of the mindset that says, yo, Akis, like, they can't, they can't content for content.
Listen, when I'm on Twitch, I'm like Mike Tyson, Javante Davis.
Not how many people can match you.
I am going crazy.
You can't respond to me on that.
Like, that's my fucking, that's my arena, right?
So, I don't think they ever wanted to respond like that, but it was pissing them off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I think they were like, yo, you know what?
That's my arena.
It's like, I'm going to feel like a gladiator panel.
Yo, so I think, bro, yo, with a mic on, I don't think them dudes could fuck with me any day of the week, any second of the day.
Like, bro, them dudes, I'm telling you.
Yeah.
I used to listen to Joe's podcast.
I used to tell him, I said, bro, every time, I'm like, could you have them clowns stop chiming in when you're spinning game?
Yeah.
Because sometimes you speak, I know you already fucking, but you spin game.
Tell them clowns to shut the fuck up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Them dudes is getting $40,000 a year, man.
Shut up.
Nobody want to hear you talk about like, like, you're really breaking down the break.
Shut up.
You know what I mean?
Shut the fuck up.
Like, Joe could talk about it.
Now it even made more sense because he was swindling them bum ass niggas.
That's true.
They thought it was cool.
Swindling.
Yo, Alex, man, I hope you charge the bum ass niggas twice.
Like, double the rates.
They're dumb as shit.
I'm telling you, you gotta do it.
You gotta do it.
Yo, do you think Joe felt guilty when they would defend him swindling them?
Like, do you think there's ever a part of him on the podcast when he was like, man, I got these motherfuckers wrapped around my pinky, bro?
I'm gonna be honest.
And I still think he probably feels this way, and I feel this way too.
Yeah.
Like, are you really robbing somebody?
Like, all right, you guys do Flagrant 2 and the primary host is Kash Yuray.
Everybody has a piece of this podcast.
Okay.
But here's the thing.
If you thought, man, I'm carrying these niggas.
Like, LeBron, I'm like, remember that, remember that horrible Cav Steam broke to like the finals?
Yeah.
Eric Snow.
Yeah, yeah.
Bro, he had like water boys on it.
That shit was crazy.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, if you feel you carry these dudes, you're probably looking at them like, you should be working at Walmart.
Right, right, right.
Like, bro, I'm always.
So when I'm hearing Joe talk about it, he's like, yo, they're getting paid like $100,000.
These dudes are bums.
That's what he's thinking.
Like, he's not thinking like, we created this.
I think maybe his audience is probably trying to show him, like, no, it's not just you.
We actually did like people.
Well, if we're being honest, doesn't that mean that they like them and that they resonate with them?
Like, if we're going to give Rory Ma all the credit they deserve, if people are going to listen to podcasts, how about this?
If six months from now, people are still listening at these numbers, don't you got to say, all right, you got something.
Maybe you don't understand it.
I'll also say people do.
When you say they can't, they're not as good.
That's fair.
And for you to say to that point, for you to say, they're not as good as me, you are incredible at this.
Like, I'm already seeing, like, you can carry shit on your own in a way.
Not a lot of people can.
So to say, there's no way they're as good as me.
Cool, but you're top whatever, whatever, what at 0.1, 0.001%.
So they can still be good and not be as good as you.
All right.
As Andrew said, you want me to be logical or you just want me to be logical.
Emotional.
We do a thing here called feelings, no facts.
Hit it.
No, no.
Honestly, I'm going to be logical with this one.
All right.
I actually, like, they do have their worth.
And I do think the audience loves all three of them together.
But the chemistry.
Yeah.
But I still think, and this is, this is one of the reasons why, you know, in 2017, when I got on Everyday Struggle, like, you know, I was doing my YouTube thing and, you know, I felt I was really good on good on that, you know, platform, but I'd never really been on camera.
I never really like.
You were awkward at first.
And that's what you're saying.
You learned how to be good.
Exactly.
And I looked at that and Joe was a fucking pro from day one.
Yeah.
He was a pro.
And what I was even thinking about these dudes is like, you don't, as much of an asshole he is, you don't know the benefit and the luxury you have working with someone.
Like, if you, when you work with Charlemagne very early on, when someone could do some heavy lifting and do some things that maybe you weren't, you're not there yet with.
I'm not here without Charlotte, man.
And I don't mean that in terms of like the access to people.
I mean that in terms of the access to skill.
It's like motherfuckers that play in Europe and then they come to the NBA.
You learn how to play basketball in the NBA.
I remember this.
There's a reason why Luka Donchich goes back to Slovenia and that team makes the Olympics for the first time, I think, in their country's history.
It's because Luca's been playing in the NBA.
Charlamagne says I'm a professional talker and that motherfucker is so good at talking.
And you got to rise your shit to that.
And I wasn't even close when we first started.
It was something I got to get better at every single time and see how good he was and try to pick up a little bit of that every single time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I hear you.
I hear you.
And that's what I'm saying.
Well, it's a sink or swim moment, but you can evaluate off the first six months.
They have to show if they could end up being what you are.
I'll say this.
I'll say this.
This is what I'll give them credit.
Guys, I fucked up.
Okay.
I was supposed to tell you about these shows I have dropping this Friday.
Tickets go on sale this Friday because we're adding shows in a bunch of markets and I fucked up.
Giving Credit Where Due00:15:06
Okay.
I was too drunk off the hen dog and I didn't tell you during the podcast.
So I'm telling you right now, it's very important.
September 20th, we are taping the special in Austin on the 19th and 20th.
Those shows are all sold out.
So we added a fourth show on the 20th.
Okay.
You can get those tickets this Friday.
Austin time, 10 a.m.
All right.
We're also adding a late show in DC.
Very important.
DC is sold out.
So we're adding another show that night, October 23rd.
November 6th, San Francisco.
We just put up the San Francisco show.
Y'all gobbled up all those tickets.
So we're adding another show at the Masonic Theater November 6th.
And then Chicago, November 13th.
We are adding a late show in Chicago.
I cannot believe it.
That is absolutely insane that we are.
But thank you guys so much for go get those tickets.
Minneapolis, we're adding another show.
November 18th, third show.
And we are coming back to Florida.
Jacksonville, December 5th.
Remember, these tickets are going to be available Friday, 10 a.m. in each of those local markets.
So go get them at theandrewsholtz.com.
www.theandrewsoltz.com.
Do not trust any other websites because you don't know if they're scammers.
You don't know if they're scalpers.
You don't know what the hell is going on.
We have the accurate links that you could use on our website.
Also, my boy Akash Singh is getting married this weekend.
Wish him happy marriage.
But also, he is on tour as well.
Go to Akash Singh.com.
Check out his full tour schedule.
Go check out his shows.
He's absolutely murdering on the road, selling out these shows.
So get those tickets early.
Now let's get back to the May.
What I admire about them is a lot of people wouldn't take that chance.
They took the chance to fail.
And if I'm being honest, well, no, a lot of people would go, all right, let me try to get another job.
Let me do some AR shit.
Let me do something else in music.
Maybe there's opportunities they could have got.
And this way, they couldn't fail in front of all the people, right, that are looking at them going, can you carry a show?
Now they said, fuck it.
We're going to go do it.
We're going to prove that we were a valuable asset to Joe's podcast.
And in six months or a year, we'll see if they are.
But I admire them taking the chance.
A lot of motherfuckers don't take the chance.
They sit on the sidelines.
They bitch.
They complain.
They whine.
They don't do shit.
I admire that.
It's not even hate.
This is actually a little bit of hate.
A lot of logic.
All right.
Joe Budden, or Joe Buden, as I'm going to call him.
He has a podcast network, correct?
Kind of.
You never help him with YouTube, bro.
Hold on.
Who's the idiot running his shit?
I know, hold on.
Before we get it, before we get there.
You know the internet.
Hold on.
This is his shit.
All right, before we get there, before we get there.
Son, if Rory or Maul has a bad deal, think how bad that deal on the Joe Buden network is.
No, no, hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, Think about this, though.
Think about this.
You getting spotified out that bitch.
And this is why I realize people are blinded by their need to have sympathy for these dudes more than actually being objective.
Right.
Y'all was on that.
Y'all was on Joe Bun podcast for four years.
Why y'all never did nothing on the side?
You brought up a great point.
Why I never did.
Why I never did this before?
Why I never did skit?
Y'all doing skits.
Did Joe have y'all really locked in the basement?
Right.
Really victimizing y'all?
Like, this was like the R. Kelly show where apparently Kelly got people.
They got to look at the walls like y'all couldn't do anything.
Yeah.
I always thought they had some type of deal where they couldn't do anything else because I've been inviting myself.
Y'all want to have a conversation.
We can get on a platform.
It could even be y'all shit.
But no joke.
Get Joe out of it.
I don't want your daddy here.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they never did it.
Now they're forced to sink or swim.
Everybody's giving them the credit saying, oh my God, they had to do it.
Why didn't they do it before?
They didn't have to, though.
They didn't have to.
What would they be doing?
They didn't have to.
And I'll be honest.
Bro, it's not this.
They'll go back to them on the plugin.
They could have sunk.
You got to give them credit.
They're swimming.
They're swimming because of the disappointment off Joe.
But they're trying to swim.
Yo, just because it happened out of desperation, I also have another point where he was like, where like, if they truly felt like they were partners in this thing and they want to give their everything to it because they truly felt they're partners, I'm not mad at that at all.
Like, I think that that's admirable.
Everybody's sacrificing their personal desires to build the band, right?
Like, you look at that band Queen, you know, Bohemian Rap City, that song, that kind of shit.
It's like that one, the lead singer, Queen, he got the deal to go do the album by himself.
And then when he was writing the album by himself, he was like, man, this shit ain't as fun.
I like being with the boys.
And yeah, I'm the fucking lead singer, but it's more fun, the thing that we built with the boys.
So if you want to put everything into that, I don't knock you for that.
I understand where you're coming from in terms of leverage.
But if you truly believe that you're a family, I'm surprised you're even making this point just because of this.
Being someone that I've seen you do a million skits, this is outside of Brilliant Idiots.
Yeah, 100 million skits.
I've seen you do so many shit on YouTube, on other shows.
I seen you go to like, it wasn't even MTV with some other shit.
It was Oxy.
I don't know what you was on some shit.
I was like, that shit was.
But I seen you do so much.
I've always thought of it like this.
And I'm pretty sure you thought of it like this.
I'm going to do things outside of this, hopefully to bring it back to the squad.
100%.
And when you look at it, bro, them dudes are just showing up to a job.
They never ever try to promote it outside of that.
They weren't hustling and trying to make the Joe Bunny podcast bigger.
When there was a pressure I needed to make it for Spotify, Joe had to do it.
Joe had to do all the legwork.
Of course, I'm going to look at you like a worker when I'm the only one doing all these extra shit.
Yeah.
Is that not fair?
Yeah, I tell you, no, no, no, no.
I think it's a reasonable argument.
Alex, come on now.
I know you're getting paid, but come on, bro.
I'm saying it's a reasonable argument, but I don't know what they were doing behind the scenes.
Like, they have stuff going on outside of just the podcast.
So you can't say that they're not doing anything, but they just weren't doing that for benefits.
I'm just saying, by them growing their awareness, like in their public persona, it also brings eyes to the show.
But he's saying they weren't doing anything to grow that.
They never did that.
I mean, they all had something that it would have a decent follow up there.
Here's the thing.
There's two ways to go about it.
One way is use the opportunity you have and then deliver the best content, the best material.
Like I remember when Brilliant Idiots was the only thing I had, right?
I'm researching.
I'm getting ready to have my fucking argument.
I'm looking at all these videos.
I'm reading.
I'm making sure that I can be the best that I could be.
90% of shit we didn't even touch.
But just in case we touched it, I want to be ready to go.
You know what I mean?
Like this was fight night.
Every single, whatever, Wednesday we recorded or Thursday, whatever.
So if that was the approach to the pod, I respect that.
If you're on your PC, I don't listen to the pod, so I don't know what their contributions were on the pod.
But I hear what you're saying as well.
Andrew, I'm a hustler.
You feel me?
The reason why some of these people, they criticize me about my space or my role in hip-hop is because ain't nobody can say I interned for them.
Nobody can say that I was carrying air crate.
Nobody can say I was doing bitch work.
Nobody can say I begged them for shit.
I literally came in and I built it and I recognized an audience and I did whatever that audience was, wanted to try to increase that audience.
And the audience is the only reason why I'm here.
So I've been the hustler of the hustlers to try to get to this point.
I'm going to give you another example.
Wayno was a dude just on Twitter before he got on Everyday Show.
She was a Wayno, man.
I like Wayne.
I love Wayne.
When Wayno came on, and I told you, Wayne will tell you.
I told Wayno, I said, Wayno, use this opportunity to hustle.
Man, the next week I looked up, this dude is doing correspondence at Made in America.
Next week I look up, he's moving around, and that's a hustler.
That's someone who I could tell.
And at the end of the day, he was doing all those things saying, hey, I hope y'all come.
As I'm trying to build my own personal shit, come fuck with me at Everyday Struggle.
He's trying to contribute.
I don't think these dudes were.
And maybe it's a little bit of hate, but I just think that's a fair and objective point.
I think it's fair.
I think it's objective.
I think there's two ways to look at it.
One way to look at it is just this is the platform where we all get something out of and then trying to find a way to get the most out of it.
The other thing to look at is like, yo, this is something we're nourishing and trying to build together.
So there's two different things.
I think both are fair.
I don't want to go, go, go.
Button it, button it.
I don't want to talk about it anymore.
I really want to get to this Joe shit, dude.
Okay, go.
I'm so mad.
Go, Because I don't see why.
I feel like if you could forgive these dudes for everything they've said about you, I don't think Joe ever really violated it to like, if I were you, I would feel bad.
Like, he gave me some strays, which I think you were the most objective during that conversation.
I don't know if he said anything mean about it because he said he's in the dude.
Nah, he just said he was an Indian dude, man.
Like, that's like belitting him.
Like, yo, you're like this.
He's like being an Indian.
He's proud of being an Indian.
Oh, you're like the furniture.
He doesn't even acknowledge you as a person.
Like, he's not even giving you credit.
Like, you're one half of the show, pretty much.
Nah, I am the Indian dude.
I love being the Indian dude.
I'm the Indian dude.
I think maybe he messed up and he should have said, that's the Indian dude.
That's probably what he meant.
I guess what he meant.
That's probably what he meant.
He's like, the Indian dude.
No, no way.
Nah, because I'm sure what he meant was, that's the Indian dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Why am I supposed to be upset at a joe?
Son, he just went on a rant trying to make you look like a fucking racist.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Why would you fuck with somebody?
All right, wait, All right, hold on.
Yeah, but that's been done.
Like, we already know it's not the case.
There's nothing forgiving.
Wait, wait, can we dissect that?
Sure.
I think he definitely framed it in a way that was definitely attacking you.
And obviously, there was some angle attacking.
Not even something.
Come on, son.
Hear what I'm saying.
I think, but I've told you this, though.
I said, yo.
Maybe, I don't know.
No, no, I did.
I did.
I texted you.
I was like, yo, listen, I love what you're doing and how you're growing.
And I said, there's me being someone who's grown an audience, I've always recognized when there's a gap in entertainment.
And I always super serve that gap.
And I said, I said, Rogan moved to Spotify.
I said, hey, a lot of the things he talked about or even people he talked to that his audience were interested in.
I think you've done a great job of taking that gap.
And I think you're going up the ranks and flourishing, filling in that gap, right?
Now, I wouldn't even dare to say, oh, that's some racist kick out.
I think that's where, you know what I mean, using the Alex Jones thing went off the rails.
But I give you props for that.
Now, here's the thing.
I think what he was trying to say is that, which I think is just so unfair, right?
Because even though you did a show with Charlemagne, you're not married to be in like this hip-hop ecosphere.
Like, you could branch out and do whatever you want, but that's what he was setting up.
He was like, hey, we got to know you because of Charlemagne.
And now you're talking to these other people who don't seem to be connected to the culture.
And some of them we might look at as anti what we got going on.
Yeah, I just, I don't know what, what, what, it's just so hypocritical because he attacks him for speaking to Alex Jones, but TI spoke to him and he didn't say work.
And then two days later, his fucking manager is saying, yo, let's have Alex Jones.
Let's be honest what Joe's doing.
You're capping for him.
Yeah, you're capping for him.
You're capping Joe.
I'm not capable.
I'm not challenging for what he said.
I'm just explaining the angle that I think he probably shares.
Can we talk about relevant people?
You.
No, there's one argument.
He's so harder, man.
There's one argument that Joe can come at me for.
That's the only one.
And if you're a white guy, that's it.
You just have to tie some sort of racism into it.
And then you're going to get automatic support because your people have to support it.
You don't want to be the black guy that's defending the white guy when the other black guy calls him racist.
You know how fucking strong in your integrity you have to be as a black man to go.
I'm going to go to the Steven Jags right now.
He's defending Rachel Nichols.
And people probably killing him.
He's done.
Exactly.
So it's like it takes a black dude that is super strong in their idea of who they are and not concerned of public persona in order to defend the white guy against racism for the black guy.
So it's a very easy trope that you could slide into.
Anybody who wants to criticize me, of course, you're going to criticize me through that lens, especially if you're going to come from like Joe's perspective.
But we heard it a million fucking times, blah, blah, blah.
But I think Joe just wants Alex Jones on a podcast because he knows his views.
He just wants attention.
He gravitates to whatever the attention is.
I'm saying my man sounds like an attention whore, man.
Yeah, he is.
It's classic.
Not whore thought, maybe.
Maybe an attention thought.
But no, he's good at getting attention.
The reason why I'm not a fan of Joe is simply because, like, once, at least this is for me, just with people in general.
Like, I value authenticity, right?
Like, I think if you're an authentic person, there's some that I can be drawn to.
And that's throughout any art form.
I don't even care if your music isn't that good.
If you're authentic, I can look past it.
I don't care if your comedy isn't even like the most pristine in terms of like the words that you're using, but if you're super authentic, I love it.
I'll gravitate towards you.
I think Joe is fraudulent as an entertainer.
As a person, I don't know, but I see through the facade.
And you can only fool so many people.
You know, Trump had like, you know, Hudson Yards, that area of Manhattan.
Yeah.
Right.
He had that land for a while.
I was talking to Chris Voss as a CIA negotiator guy.
And he had that land for a while.
He just couldn't get anybody to develop on it.
Right.
So Trump would use his name and then try to get these developers to build some shit.
He couldn't get anybody to develop it because they didn't want to deal with Trump.
Because Trump had basically worked with everybody in the city, fucked them all over, and they're like, we're not working for you anymore.
He sells that, and then all of a sudden, Hudson Yards explodes.
And now you have all this shit over here.
And I feel like that's the type of person that Joe is, where it's like, he's just going to continue fucking over the next person, the next person, the next person, the next person.
And then you run out of people to fuck over.
And when you run out of people to fuck over, now you're in a dire situation where you're struggling and you'll say anything you possibly can.
Yeah, and jokes aside, that's what's happened to him.
That's why people are with Roy and Maul because it's like, yo, he's going to do right by these dudes.
You can say what you want.
He fucked over whoever.
But those are his boys.
I believe in him.
He won't fuck them over.
Then when it seems they got fucked over and they had, then everybody's like, oh, okay, that's who he is.
And they stuck with him through that.
And I've ridden with them for sticking with him.
No, I agree with that.
I agree.
Like, that's fair.
See, that's not even hating.
That's fair.
I think he's in a position where that's how the audience perceives him.
Smart because your business dealings with him, you always had your autonomy.
So you're like, yes, I'm going to use, I'm not saying use in terms of like a bad way, but like you're like, I'm going to use this guy's ability to create gravity and attention, right?
He could create gravity and tension.
Motherfuckers want to talk about him, right?
I'm going to use him.
People were always going initially.
I don't know.
I peep game from early, but initially they're like, oh, Joe is just going to capitalize on the fact that Ak got all these fans.
He's going to get all these fans and blow up the podcast.
But I'm like, no, Ak is using Joe.
Life After Leaving Complex00:03:51
Joe's going to say the wild shit.
Act's going to be right there next to him.
The show blows up.
Act gets sure.
You use each other, but nobody looked at it like you were using him.
People were looking at it like, yo, oh, Joe blew up off act, pulled all these people.
I've never seen him before.
So like, I was a little bit.
I peep game.
It's like you basically let the clown dance.
You were like, tap, dance.
You let him fucking tap dance.
You sat there the whole time and you're like, make have beef with the Migos.
Have beef with all these other motherfuckers.
You take on all this beef.
I'm going to chill.
I'm going to collect these views.
I'm going to talk about it on my reaction channels.
I'm going to do all that shit.
Keep on fucking dancing.
And I think that's why you keep around because you'd like that motherfucker to dance for you, bro.
No, I'm going to be honest.
I think I'm honest, bro.
I'm going to be honest.
It's good content.
Me and him were dancing.
That's what I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
Whatever you think is going to be.
You're pimping too, bro.
He makes pimping Joe.
It's both ways, though.
It's both ways.
But another thing.
How?
How's it both ways?
He's getting off of you.
I think he can't.
You don't have business dealings with him.
We're going to fuck you over.
I think what people look at me for, right?
Is the younger demographic, especially with hip-hop.
You're the guy, right?
You're the guy.
And you're really smart.
And your business is on point.
And you found a dude who's willing to dance for you.
By the way, by the way.
By the way, Andrew.
Pick up the peace there.
Pick up the peace there.
Pick up the piece.
Yo, after Joe left complex, that's one of the reasons I guess like there's so much, maybe like you can call it assault or whatever the case is.
When I left, when he left complex, Joe, right?
Yeah.
Joe was he came to me.
It's an even Charlotte McKinley.
He was like, yo, you should do the Revolt thing.
And I'm like, okay, sounds good.
Like, and, you know, we have light conversations over text.
Like, you know, me and Joe, we had a good amount of conversation, but I was like sitting here with my lawyer saying, all right, when is Revolt gonna come pull up to me and talk to me?
Never happened.
Because you're not.
You're not dancing for no complex.
And you know the key word you said in that fucking sentence with my lawyers.
The lawyer is the key word.
If you don't got a lawyer, this is not yo, you're go on.
Complex came to me and said, What did Kaiser So say, bro?
Yo, yo, they said, Here is the keys.
This is Kaiser Sose.
Whatever we have left, you can have it all.
They said, Here's the keys.
Like, you, whatever we have left, you have.
And I said, I could follow Joe or keep your own shit.
Or be here and also be the man of this, you know, I mean, this empire here.
And then I started thinking, I'm like, no one at Revolt ever approached me.
Those same dudes killed me for it.
They're like, oh, this dude's dumb.
He don't know business.
That's what he told me.
That's what they said publicly.
They said, because, which probably I would have probably had to sign a Joe, sign a Joe to do whatever deal he had, right?
Turns out that would have been the same deal they were in.
ACI turned out for them.
Yeah, not that good.
You're Kaiser Sosa.
Have you seen the usual suspects?
No.
You haven't seen that movie?
That's why you don't like talking about you.
I've been trying to ask you questions about you this whole time.
You're not having it.
You keep the heat off you like Kaiser Sosa.
He came in limping.
I think he came in limping.
Everybody think Ak is silly.
Everybody think Ak is drunk on Twitch.
Just talking crazy.
Of course you do.
Yeah, you do.
Of course you love that.
Because smart motherfuckers like to like it when people think they're dumb.
Because that's another thing they used to say about me.
They say, yo, they say, yo, why are we taking this kid who's just like drunk all day on Twitch?
And I had to send them dudes with it.
Like me and Twitch, we had a really good, you know, you know.
You got a situation.
I know how.
You got a good situation.
This was early on when they were offering guarantees for hours spent.
Yeah, it was multiple of what they were even getting paid by Joe.
But they were talking crazy about me.
Like, yo, this dude looks crazy.
He's just on Twitch.
And at that point, I'm like, these dudes are all mouth, no business.
Mouth With No Business00:16:06
I get offended because a lot of times when people don't like me, they can't give the credit you're giving.
They can't be like, you know what?
He's smart, though.
He's doing it right now.
They're blind about it.
Hey, so they're like, oh, we fuck him.
He's just drunk.
He's just doing this.
They can never see, hey, I've made really careful, calculated moves to get from where I was to get here.
First of all, this is something about like us, I think, on the pod.
I think we do this pretty well.
But, and I won't speak on behalf of you guys, but like, I don't care if like if someone hates me.
If I think you're good at shit, I'll tell you.
Simple as that.
I think there's so few people who are good that I can't not give credit, even if you hate me.
Or even if I hate you.
If it's good, it's good.
Simple as that.
But I like you.
So this is very easy.
But when it comes to, when it comes to like business and comes to knowing how to operate, I admire that you haven't asked for too much credit or respect.
That you're like, the money's coming in.
Everything's flowing.
I don't need motherfuckers to sit here and say, I'm the king.
Yo, you know their biggest knock at me?
What is that?
They're like, yo, you couldn't get to sit at a table with Jay-Z.
That's her thing.
Do you want that?
I don't know.
Well, I don't know what it would bring.
So they tell me these things that I'm like, what is it?
What would that mean?
But why would that, why would you, what do you want?
In the industry, apparently, like at that point, like you have gotten to the epitome, like the heights of being able to move shit around.
And they're like, oh, you're doing meetings with these people.
And I'm like, I don't really care to.
But I don't know what I'm missing out on.
So maybe I'm missing out on some shit, but I don't know.
I don't get it.
But I look at it and I'm like, yo, if I got this far by doing it my way and also being independent, relying on my audience, why do I need to play?
They always tell me I got to play these industries.
A little bit of pimping.
I don't know why the pimping is.
A little bit of pimping.
That's a real pimp right there.
A little bit of pimping, bro.
That's a good point.
I'm doing that shit.
All you gotta do is come.
If there's one thing you get from this podcast, this is a shrewd operator.
Yeah, dude.
I knew you were smart as fuck.
We looked it up.
What's his major in college?
Biomathematics.
Biomathematics.
I don't even know that that was a major, bro.
I didn't know that was a major.
It's a smart motherfucker over here, and everybody thinks I was in college and I was like, yo, listen, I just can't turn it up.
I looked at college as a business from day one.
Biomathematics.
I was born in Jamaica.
So I'm an immigrant.
I pulled him over here and I'm like, when immigrants come here, we look at everything as we can't fuck around.
We can't just chill.
This is the shade.
So I'm like, listen, I'm going to college.
My mom, I remember when she bought me a $2,500 laptop.
It was a lot.
And she was like, I'll do anything for your studies.
I got to make it.
Got to make it.
So I went to college and I'm like, I'm going to be a doctor.
Not going to lie.
I think the science was fucking me up a little at first.
The math I was nice at.
And then what happened is second or third year, like, I was like with my counselor and I was like trying to figure out.
I'm like, I did so many math classes, so many science classes.
I was like, I don't think I want to go to law med school.
They combined it and there was one major that fit both and was like bio-mathematics.
I'm like, dude, I'm like, do they get paid at least six figures?
I had to.
I couldn't do less.
And once I seen that, I had to do it.
Here's what you have, though, that a lot of book smart people don't have street smarts.
You are clearly book smart and you are incredibly street smart.
People would say, I don't have street smarts.
But that's exactly what we're saying is that's what makes you so street smart.
And I think some of the reason you get hate, I've been thinking about this, is because you created a market that didn't exist.
You found a void in a market that wasn't even there.
Hip-hop TMZ, essentially.
I just figured out what it was.
I know you're going to say some bullshit.
And it's going to sound foul, but you got to just feel me on it.
The cultural impact within hip-hop is the closest I could think of is Perez Hilton.
Do you remember what Perez Hilton did to the game when Perez came around?
And I'm not saying that in like any belittling way because some gay dude is in Hollywood.
What he did, he blogged.
I don't know if he identifies as he or whatever the fuck he is.
I don't even know.
But he blogged.
I have no fucking clue.
He blogged.
He all of a sudden, his Instagram and blog blew up.
And then all of a sudden, he's ending up on TMZ.
He's under a Hollywood reporter.
And he was a personality.
So it wasn't just this is the information.
It's this is the information from this personality that we really like.
That didn't exist in hip-hop.
Adrian Wardronowski or whatever, if you want to be whatever about it.
What he is for the NBA.
If there's some shit up too.
Like the way he's almost, he could be his own site.
Yeah.
And I'm pretty sure he gets paid by, I believe he's with ESPN now.
He probably gets paid as if he could be.
Exactly.
And he's just a guy that just had the inside track on all this stuff.
Around 2014, I looked up and I like, you know, I always wanted to be, I just wanted my banner in the rafters in terms of effective, right?
Really just affected.
I wanted at that point being a personality.
Looked up Charlamagne a lot.
And then I was thinking, I'm like, listen, the breakfast clubs are the breakfast clubs.
How do I get to that level platform?
I want to be on radio in a premier market.
And what I realized, times were changing.
If you're someone right now that want to get on radio, nigga, you are lost.
You know what I mean?
And it started changing for me because I saw Beats One pop.
I'm like, maybe it won't be like terrestrial radio.
Maybe it'll be like, you know, some digital radio.
And then it turned to, wait, why are you caring about radio, this, that, and third?
Build your own platform.
Yeah, the people.
You know what I did?
I built my own shit and I'm me on my own shit.
Yeah, yeah.
You get me?
So it was me also realizing the time and times of adjusting it.
But honestly, I looked up to, you know, Star, Charlemagne, Wendy, all of those people.
I looked at them as like the super jocks.
So let's talk about this then.
Because I'm curious what you think it takes to become a superstar in hip-hop.
Okay.
And is being able to rap good even in the top five most important things?
Yeah.
It is.
What does it rank?
It can't be one.
You think so?
To be a superstar.
I'm not talking about be good.
I'm talking about superstar.
Takashi was a superstar.
Okay, okay, good.
All right.
Self-admitted.
Can't rap.
Now I get what you mean.
One of my favorite bars from him is when he was on the, what was it?
What's her name?
The Puerto Rican girl.
Angie Martin.
I don't have him on the show.
What you have him on the show?
Who?
Yes, 100%.
I'm fascinated by him.
You should show the goons on the show.
Say what?
The goons in the streets?
The streets probably watch you.
We're not from the streets, guys.
We're not part of the streets.
He's wearing a fucking painter on his shirt, okay?
You have an ascot on.
I have an ascot on.
He's in the hand of the.
It's Jerica's birthday still.
Yeah, he's from the cul-de-sac.
I am from...
No.
I'm from the Manhattan Streets.
Okay, the Avenues.
I'm from the Avenues.
So, but he said, my music is trash, but it's hot trash.
Do you remember in the Angie Martinez interview?
It was fucking phenomenal.
And I want to talk about him, but like, he's a superstar.
Self-admitted that I don't make the, I'm not the best rapper, but superstar.
So, what makes superstar?
I think in a music sense, rapping is always going to be in there.
But I think you could get to it without that.
It's not necessary.
If you have.
It's not necessary.
You have that charisma, that personality.
Um, what most rappers, and like I've had this conversation, I was trying to sign this one guy because I was thinking, I'm like, I have the real cheat sheets of the whole game.
Like, anyone who I put on my page where I talk about like everybody wants to go look at him, like, shit, I'll just start signing them up.
I'll just go, I'll just pick up like it.
I mean, one of the stooges, you know, I mean, like, just pick him up from the bus stop and just make him lit.
Right?
And I was going to turn your guy into like the next Eminem, man.
Like, he was close.
But I was thinking, yeah, tell them how you say you let them use the studio if they clean it.
Oh, my.
Yo, yo, I kid you not.
I walk out of my house.
I walk in my house one time and I see this dude.
He looks exactly like Rory.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cleaning my fucking pool.
I thought I was like, fuck.
This is some real godfather.
You know, white pool cleaning?
Yes, you made it.
Listen, this is some Forrest Gump shit.
I'm just trying to tell you.
Yo, I keep telling everybody, listen.
Maybe that's when he was dropping off as a cleaning flyer and somebody else dropped off a thread.
And then that's where you got confused.
I'm going to be honest with you.
And that's the thing.
I keep telling people, man, this independent shit that I've done is treating me well.
I didn't know other people weren't, you know what I mean, reaping the fruits of their labor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But these days, I'm realizing it, and I'm sorry.
Like, y'all should have, you know, I mean, kept owned your own shit, built your own shit, not relying on other people and relying on other corporations who could just terminate you when they want to.
It's no problem.
You should work with corporations, but make sure you got your own shit.
Because you know what I got going on?
I'm pretty decent.
Okay, so back to building a superstar rapper.
Okay, so a superstar right now.
You could get around it.
I think you can get around it.
You can get around it, but you won't ever be in that conversation of being the best.
And if you don't care for that, okay, if you don't care for that, if you just want success, like there are certain people, and again, I can always liken these things in comedy because that's my expertise, right?
I don't have fucking rap to save my life, but I look at them and I go, okay, now you can't be a comedian that's a superstar.
That's not funny.
That's not funny, right?
But there can be comedians like Andrew Guys Clay is Takashi, if you will, in terms of ascended to the highest highs, but not necessarily the funniest joke writer in the world, but he was such a character.
Did he have a shtick or he had a shtick?
He had a little bit of a stick.
Larry the Caleb guy had a shtick.
Larry the Caleb guy had a shtick, right?
Like, so there's these guys that they reach the highest levels.
They don't want to be thought of as like the greatest artiste.
They're not the fucking Kendrick Lamarz of the world, but they still could go to the highest level, right?
Change their lives, change their families' lives.
And I'm just, I look at the rap game in a similar way.
Like, even like Jeff Ross, who's like a really good roaster, but like, I don't think Jeff will go, yeah, I'm as good as Dave Chappelle at stand-up.
He'd be like, I'm great at roasting, and I've got a fun, cool personality that exists within that.
In comedy, is stand up the grade, grading area of like funniness.
Or is it like skits?
Is it stand-up?
Yeah.
So people judge you.
So if you are nice at stand-up, you're just automatically ascending to the top list.
To put it in perspective, nobody thinks Key and Pee are funny.
In a conversation, let me add a caveat.
Yeah.
And like, nobody would go, yo, who's your favorite comedian?
And then say Key and Peele.
Key and Peel are great at sketch.
They're fucking brilliant.
They're amazing.
So funny.
When you go, who's my favorite comedian?
Like, they don't even enter.
Because if you can't go up there and do it alone, if you can't go up there with nothing, just you and the audience and do it alone, you're not in the conversation.
Yo, nobody thinks he is funny or Peele is funny.
They think he and Peel are funny.
The sketch show is great.
And they think the guy who does the movies is brilliant.
He's brilliant.
Hilarious, brilliant.
I wonder what you guys think about that.
That's Keith.
Jordan Peel is brilliant, this guy.
I wonder what you guys think about this.
I don't know if you're in tune with all these guys.
You know, there's a lot of been, there's been a lot of Instagram comedians, but you know, for example, like DC Youngfly, I felt like you know, he popped off raw funny.
He's like staring.
Raw funny stare.
And I think he's doing really good funny stand-up, and he's a setup, right?
He just started doing stand-up.
Yeah, and he's good.
And then two other people, right?
So I remember seeing, you might laugh me out of the gym, but like Fat Boy at first.
And I was like, I think this is just a shtick.
It doesn't matter.
He's at the, I know him.
He went to the breakfast club and he was like, where did breakfast?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think we have that.
I think a lot of people could see that and be like, yeah, that's not going to keep going up the comedy ranks.
But there's this new dude, Drewski.
Yeah.
I think he's doing a lot of skits.
But I still, I'm looking at him.
I'm like, is this only, could he survive if this is all he does?
Where it's kind of a shtick, but he's really good at skits.
But I don't know if he could get on a stage with a mic with 1500 motherfuckers in the audience and fucking have them just like just stringing them on and have them just break out in tears laughing.
Nobody can unless you're an expert at this, especially if you're doing it for an hour.
But let me ask you a question.
Yeah.
He could put in the time.
Like, I'm sure.
He doesn't need to get there.
Because right now.
No, he doesn't.
It's a different game.
It's like you said, like, I wouldn't say that comedy is antiquated because at the end of the day, it's like motherfuckers still want that person-to-person experience.
The same thing with like, you know, seeing a concert.
They want to see that in real life, feel that energy, watching the basketball live without doing it.
Jordan Peel and Key, you know, they became super.
I don't know if they're superstars.
There's a different thing with stand-up, bro.
And I'm telling you, is it?
And then a Peel in the director world is going to be a Titan.
Yeah, he's a genius.
You know what?
In a comedy sense, though, is he?
Nah, he was funny, bro.
I always thought he was the funny one out of them, too.
He's a genre bender in his films, though.
Like, get out is a type of like comedy horror.
Like, and that's very, I guess what I'm saying, like, if you're looking at like guys who are real lyricists, like a Kendrick, right?
You know what I mean?
There's a group of comedians that you're like, okay, we aspire to be nice as fuck with the bars, but we also aspire to be successful enough where we could be in the conversation.
The best rapper, like bar for bar, isn't even in the convo, right?
Like, he's some rapper that maybe you know about, maybe, and you're like, wow, this guy's brilliant, but his beats are trash.
You got no personality.
He's better off writing for people.
Nobody's talking about him except like couple backpackers and I want to mention this.
I'm dissing him now.
Fair enough.
But again, it's not on him.
You're basically saying, like, yo, the part of comedy that you're rap that you're really good at is not the full package.
But like, Kendrick is a full package guy.
Like, maybe some J. Cole people put full package.
Like, back in the day, I'm, you know, I'm older, but like, Biggie was a full package guy.
It was personality.
You never saw a big dude acting like this.
Like, so you have this personality mixed with bars.
Story.
Yeah, so I think.
Pac, like, gravity, bro.
You need to be around him.
He talks, you listen.
Like, I think personality is more important to get there, but to stay there, you need the skip.
Yeah.
So, like, all the superstars that are still around are because they're good.
Gotta have both to be.
Like, all the other ones that just had the personality.
You can burn white hot for a bit, though.
Fizzle out.
But to his point, you can burn white hot, fizzle out, but still make fucking tens of millions of dollars.
Yeah.
Larry the Campbell guy was getting 500,000 a night through.
Yeah.
Yeah, you can still like Takashi, for example, he could still do shows, but he's not really popping no more.
So you could still get money, but I'm just saying he's never going to be considered a superstar.
But even to that point, though, like, you know, and maybe I'm just shooting with some bell because it's my homie.
Like, he got blackballed, though.
Who?
Like, 6,000.
100%.
So it's not like, it's not like it's like natural, organic fizzling out.
Like, we're over the stick.
It's like the industry came together and said, we hate this motherfucker.
And we're talking about blackballing on a level of where DSPs are like, yo, if he drops music, we're going to just act like he don't exist.
We're going to be his digital service, bro.
Yeah, like Apple Music.
Of course, like he drops music.
There's a whole new music list.
Like, people play this or new radio.
Yeah, yeah.
People open up their Apple Music and as much choices.
You're always like, pass me the aux.
Most people, 85%, when they get on their fucking phone, they just hit a playlist.
They think they're making a choice, but really they're making a choice out of a set list that someone else created.
Are you really making a choice, right?
So they realize, yo, we don't gotta.
Blackballing In Music00:11:40
Kaiser Soze, bro.
Smart guy.
He doesn't gotta put everybody up in this joint.
Yeah.
People who we think are just morally corrupt or whatever the case is, we'll get him the fuck out of here.
The industry wants nothing to do with him.
He's not on any of those lists.
His music, he had one number one, and it was just, he was white, lightning hot when he just came out of jail, right?
And afterwards, he's been down for music.
Yeah.
And he's not going to get support.
So that's the only reason why I look at it.
I'm like, yo, I think that shtick could have continued.
Why'd they blackball him?
Why do you think?
You beefing with too many people.
So he understood.
And again, I'm fascinated by this dude as like a case study because I think he exposed so many things, right?
Like, it seemed like, yeah, like, he's just funny, but like, he really, it seemed like, and again, I'm an outsider, so I'm curious your perspective.
Like, and I also think you played a massive part in this.
There was the artist, and then there was the promotional outlet, and they were intertwined.
And like, he would do something, and you would make it go viral, and all of a sudden it was viral over here as well.
It was like part of the reason why I believe my platform is hated by a lot.
Because before I was a fringe outlet that contributed to the noise, for one singular moment and one singular artist, I was the platform that broke and maintained the hottest artists in the world.
And when they saw that, that you could circumvent every other thing.
Yeah.
I mean, labels still come to me now.
Like, they pitch artists to me all the time.
They're like, they asked me to hang out with motherfuckers.
You want to hang out with this guy?
Yeah.
You want to go on vacation with this guy?
You want to do like because they want to recreate it.
And I understand that part.
And of course, like, again, who are they asking you to hang out with?
Like, random people.
Like, who?
Like, I mean, I want to like.
You can't say.
I mean, I could say, like, for example, every link.
Yeah, yeah.
When someone's album's coming out, yo, you want to play video games with them?
Yo, you want to, like, they'll bring them into my arena.
You get me?
Yo, you want to, you know, go to the city and like walk through their hood.
Yeah, I mean, it's like, and I'm usually like, no, no, not that guy.
Like, that guy literally, his best friend got shot last week.
Why the fuck would I go warp the same walk?
I'm not doing this.
You know what I mean?
So, like, I understand.
And to your point, of like a shrewd operator, like, of course, I hit these motherfuckers over the head.
Like, you don't get the cribs and shit that I got going on unless you realize how important you were in that moment and then forever.
And continuing, you pimp that out.
I do pimp that out.
Just like how you pimp out of sleep.
I got you.
So this was the perfect deflecting, bro.
He knows who he pimped.
Yeah, I know.
I know what I pimped.
See, I know what I pimp people out.
Man, I hit these motherfuckers over the head, man.
But not Takashi, because I feel like it was like.
I feel like you guys both had this moment that happened together, each in your individual fields.
But those individual fields required one another to reach the superstardom, right?
Like, he needs the promo.
You need the things to promote.
If no rappers are doing nothing, you got an easy day on Instagram, right?
Yo, here's the thing.
The way how you think, right?
In terms of like, and you referred to like Joe as Trump, six times more like Trump.
We did a whole piece about it.
Yeah.
We literally did it.
Remember that shit?
We did a whole piece about kid you not.
I like, I'm cool with his label.
They spend zero in marketing.
Like, he's the marketer doing everything.
Son, like, to the point where I know I could call his label right now and be like, yo, could you have a Lambo outside and probably a private gender and be like, oh, oh, of course.
Well, they love me because it was such a mutually beneficial thing.
I never even charged.
I'm like, I'm good.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, but that is priceless.
Every single day he was dominating the news cycle.
I remember having a conversation with him.
I said, listen, the normal rap for any type of rapper, right?
Like in terms of how they move two weeks before their album and the week of their album, they get all the attention to do press runs, they're beefing, whatever the case is.
A month later, they're quiet as a motherfucker, as a church mouse, and they're touring.
They're collecting the bags.
They don't keep, he stays in the news cycle all the time.
24 hours a day, all around the clock.
And how calculated is that for him?
Like, is he waking up in the morning going, okay, how are we going to affect the news cycle?
It used to be super calculated.
I think he's in a rut right now.
No, no, before, before I'm talking, like in your guys' heyday, was it like we wake up in a hotel and you're like, well, most of the things I end up getting blamed for a lot of things.
Like, he's, he's, he could run a newspage.
Like, I'm going to tell you how just methodical.
And this is where people don't realize people, it looks organic.
Yeah, yeah.
And it is organic.
But a lot of you are rapping.
He's a little to him.
He fucking understands it.
He was a cameraman.
He was just running.
He was a cameraman.
He edited all his videos till he went to jail.
Son, once we every, remember when he got kidnapped, he was editing a video with Nikki Minaj.
Son, once we got to the show.
Yo, he told me the story.
Yeah.
Because he would just play this.
Imagine being one of the biggest superstars in the world.
Yeah.
And the label is probably like, you could have like, you know, for like a Drake, they were like, the budget for the video is a million dollars.
Director X company.
Yeah, a million dollars.
He gave a million dollars to God's plan, right?
For 6'9, he could have probably commanded a budget of like 300,000, right?
Yeah, yeah.
You know what he would do?
Just him and his two homies, they grab a camera, and probably the props are where they're gonna, they're gonna film in a hood somewhere, right?
It'd probably be like $20,000.
Like, if that, that's even a lot.
Just keep that wrestling.
It's not even, no, I don't even think he was even thinking about that.
I think he would just ask the label.
The label was like, wait, you only need like $10,000?
Okay.
Like, this is the cheapest thing we've ever paid for.
Yeah.
I think Nikki comes to one of the joints, and I think she was like, yo, whoa, no, she's a queen.
Of course.
Like, no, I'm not about doing your little hood videos.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get this production value up.
Matter of fact, I need a bunch of jets.
You know what I mean?
Which is which is dope, you know?
But he's always had that approach of it's almost like a YouTuber that did music.
Yeah.
He used to call me every day and it would be almost like, yo, act.
I'm posting at three o'clock.
Make sure you grab it from my page and post it.
Repost it, right?
His thing with three o'clock is that's the kids are out.
That's the time throughout the day that's most active.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the kids finish school.
Yo, when people, like, most of these rappers who are promoting their shit, they put up a preview at 3 a.m.
Yeah.
They don't even care.
It's 3 a.m.
I'm in the studio.
I'm drunk and high.
Fuck it.
Let's, you guys to check it out.
He was careful and meticulous enough to say, hey, how do I work all this Instagram, social media shit to my advantage?
Well, think about it.
Think about the time.
Kids, let's say you post something at 12.
The kids can still see it at 12.
They can't share with their friends.
They can't comment.
They're trying to hide their phone in class.
They're maybe running to the bathroom to do it.
At three, that's when you get the algorithm pumping.
Everybody's out of school.
They're passing all around.
You want to be part of this thing that's going viral.
You're creating your own content based on it as well.
I mean, you have that freedom because you're probably not with your parents just yet studying.
So there's that little gap.
Once we found out he edited his own shit, because we're in the fucking trenches with creating content, right?
So, once we found out he edited his own shit, it flipped my whole perspective on him.
And I was never some of his anti-ham.
I was super impressed by the way that he could galvanize people's attention.
And there's a lowbrow way to galvanize, which is beef.
Beef is lowbrow.
Beef is like.
You want to hear a crazy story?
All right, go, go, go, go.
But I want to create a caveat before I criticize.
Just like beef is lowbrow in the same way that like mafia movies are lowbrow.
Like it's easy to get me interested in mafia.
It's easy to get me interested in selling drugs.
You know what I mean?
You make a movie about fucking potatoes and you make it really good.
That's impressive.
You know what I mean?
That being said, it's what you do around that.
And that motherfucker knows content.
And most importantly, he knows how people react to content.
Yo.
All right, ghost crazy story.
So this is in the midst of the beef.
Everybody wants to kill him.
One week he's beefing YG.
The next minute he's beefing with somebody else in New York, Casanova.
He's going crazy.
By the way, so surreal and crazy to me.
He's living in Brooklyn, like just on the same street.
It's crazy.
It was so anyway.
You can't move him out.
You weren't like.
I told him, I said, bro, you got to come to Jersey.
I want to show you higher living.
Like, you're getting way too much money.
But for whatever reason, that was just.
And I don't know.
For people who grew up in a certain environment, maybe that just still feels at home.
You don't want to like, and also you might not even think that's struggling.
You know what I mean?
Like, now he's used so much higher living, but like before he was just like, I'm comfortable here.
Yeah.
Like, even when he got kidnapped, he was across the street from a park.
It was like, they were playing basketball all day.
Like, how the fuck do you go in and out of an apartment building?
And it wasn't like a high-rise, just like, it's like a two-family apartment.
Anyway, I kicked it with him one day.
And like, we went to the mall or something like that.
And he's surrounded by all these gang dudes and Zen third.
And I always respected him because while those elements were around, he knew like, that's not me.
And he always made sure it was like, all right, cool.
Y'all chill over there.
I'm going to just go kick it with ACK.
That's how we build a real relationship.
And we're kicking it, whatever, whatever.
And even then, like, they're following us to the thing.
They got all types of cars.
He's like, nah, I'm riding ACK.
And we're driving.
Like, I have my car at this time.
Some convert.
It's a coop, right?
He brings his backpack, whatever the case is.
We go to the place, and I remember we got separated, or like he had to go with them somewhere.
And I dip, he calls me later and says, Yo, Ak, I have a video dropping tomorrow.
I need to edit it.
I left my backpack in your fucking car.
And I'm going to be honest with you.
The whole time, I'm sweating bullets.
I'm going to tell you why.
Everybody wants to kill him.
I'm thinking he probably has all types of legal guns.
I don't know what he got in this backpack.
But I'm wondering, I'm like, yo, I always thought, I'm like, yo, what type of kid is this?
Because he presents to me a certain front, and we're cool.
And he's always very organic in it.
He seems sincere.
But sometimes when I see him beef, and I'm like, this guy looks like he either got a death wish or he knows something that I don't know, right?
Yeah.
And I'm looking at the bag and I'm like, should I open this motherfucker?
Let's check this out.
Because I'm like, it's no way.
Please.
It's no way he's talking so crazy.
And in this bag, he don't got at least five guns.
He got to.
And I'm like, this is early on in a relationship.
Yeah, this is early on.
It's early on.
But I'm like, yo, but everybody wants to kill him.
So I'm like, all right.
Should I open?
I'm like, yo, I feel like I'm kind of invading this privacy type of shit like that.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to come bring the bag early in the morning to wherever you live at.
And I go to the car and I see the bag and I'm like, nah, bro, you should just stay out of whatever you got going on.
Just drive it.
And another mind says, Ak, you and him are kind of cool.
You need to know.
Fucking open the bag.
I open the bag.
And when I look at it, it's a fucking hard drive, a computer, and like a couple sticks of gum.
That's it.
I swore there were going to be guns.
I'm like, it's no way you have everybody wanting to kill you, and you don't have like he was like super carefree.
Like, all right, cool.
And I'm like, you have to have a bunch of guns in there.
And I'm thinking, like, these guns, I'm like, I might get pulled over.
These guys, like, these guns might have bodies on them.
Like, this is the Treyway guns.
Oh, my God.
I'm freaking out.
And I opened it.
I'm like, oh, it's a fucking Apple Africa.
369, bro.
He's out.
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Doesn't say he's free him from the DSPs and like let him have his shit back.
Okay, so what did he know?
What were you going to say?
I just don't think it was a full black ball because I think the fans also lost faith in him.
Similar what happened kind of with Joe.
It's like he's saying, but he put a message out.
It's like, I'm gangsta.
And like, to an extent, I believed it because like he was talking that shit.
He had dudes that were about it.
And maybe he wasn't doing it.
But if you roll with dudes that are doing it, like you kind of accomplish.
But the moment he gets in trouble, he sells them out.
So now it's like the thing that I liked you for, I no longer believe it.
And so it's like, eh, and I can't hear the music to say.
There came the biggest question because I used to talk to him in jail and I said, yo, you're going to get out and the streets ain't going to fuck with you.
And I remember him saying, listen, I had my reasons.
If they can't accept it, it's going to be whatever.
Yeah.
But I have a completely different audience that don't give a fuck about that type of shit.
And it's true.
Like, I went to a show.
They don't, you would think they were looking at him like it was his house.
Like, they didn't care who he told on.
You know what I mean?
They're like, oh my God, like, like, they look at the pretty colors and they love it.
And, and, and, and that's where I was saying, I don't think you might look at it because the quote-unquote streets turn their back on him.
Like, maybe you won't listen to him making that type of music and be like, oh, yeah, we believe it.
But there's a whole different audience that loves it.
Like, keep in mind, he dropped an album while being blackballed and still sold 50-something thousand.
They blackballed Tori.
And respectfully, I love Tori.
Tori's not, Tori's not selling records.
They're black.
When they hit you with that black ball and they take off those playlists, it's hard.
Like, to give you the equivalency, if the industry had supported that album that sold 50-something thousand, he would have sold at least 220.
But I mean, there was room because he was using bots.
So break that down, bro.
That's almost superstar numbers.
That's superstar numbers.
No, no, no.
Where you get down, like, yeah, how do you get break that?
Because about 80, I keep saying around 80% of plays from an audience is driven by playlists.
So if he was supported, it would be at least four times the amount.
Here's the thing: his numbers without it was still strong enough to still appear.
It looked weak because you're looking at him as superstar, but for anyone else, it's not going to be this.
That's what I'm saying.
He could exist.
Maybe it's not the audience.
Like, if you go into the fucking hood, you probably ain't going to hear his music.
But if you go to like a lot of these places that have a lot of Hispanic people, I learned a lot about demographics.
I went to a lot of shows that he did.
The demographics is wild.
Mexicans love him.
Yo, we performed right near.
I remember we went in there and they're like, the reason we have like, I'm like, did y'all have like 300 cops because of 600?
Like, no, the cartel just had no, no, they're like, we just had like, there's a cartel war like not too long ago, like right there.
I'm like, huh?
We're probably in the wrong place with the world's most famous ditch.
Hold on.
Anyway, we go and perform, sells out the whole fucking venue.
All Hispanic kids.
Yeah.
A couple whites in there, too.
Yeah.
Not much blacks.
But I get to realize, I'm like, shit, you could sustain a career off of that audience.
It won't be your conversation piece.
Yeah.
But are the numbers real though?
Because there was a little speculation he was using bots.
The numbers got to be real when you get 7,000 people in the arena in Hidalgo, Texas.
That's the other thing.
It's like tickets at the end of the day.
Are you selling tickets?
Do people leave their crib?
But yeah, maybe he is using the bots.
I guess the bots were to inflate the YouTube numbers or something like that.
Everybody uses bots.
Let me put this back.
Everybody uses it.
Teach us about bots.
I'm going to use bots.
I didn't learn that.
No, you don't want to use it for like your regular YouTube channel.
It's going to fuck up what you got going on.
Yeah, yeah.
What I'm talking about is like the music industry.
The music industry has always been less make the fans think this is hot that they now like fans is radio when they play a song 20 times a day is called radio programming.
You're programming the mind of a stand or like someone who's impressionable.
So you need to make them think no one wants to support the thing that no one's fucking with.
But if it's like, yo, this shit did 20 million a day.
Yeah.
You know what kids are going to be like, yo, this is hot.
And every label puts at least at least 10 to 15%.
And I would speculate, this is just me, between 10 to 15 to 30.
Now, the ones who go wild and get like 70 to 80, it's clear.
Like you could tell them that you're like, no, this is all fake.
And that's where they fuck up.
Like, who?
I mean, I think at times, I think François Tan did it.
Really?
Or his label did it for him.
So he might not know.
I think Soja Boy did it one time too.
Really?
I don't know if he did it.
Again, I'm saying the artists, but I don't think they're doing it.
It's their labels.
Which song?
I remember Soja had a song.
It had like 4 million views and like 40 comments.
Like it was wild.
That's when they weren't buying the comments too.
You got to do the whole package.
You got to buy the views, the comments.
The likes probably.
I know someone who does that shit for like for labels and artists.
I won't expose what artists or label who, and like some of them is just smaller artists just trying to seem bigger.
And the dude is like, yo, yo, he's like, yo, my fingers fucking hurt because I have to type comments as like 50 different people.
Like you have to type all those comments.
You get me?
Labels Faking Streams00:15:18
Oh, shit.
And again, it's cool if you're not wilding out.
But if you see rapper A with 5 million views, you're like, we never heard about you.
It's fake.
Right?
So usually labels, they gauge it.
People think this video should do about 100,000.
We're going to make it seem hot.
It's going to do around 200,000.
But we're going to put extra comments in there and this and third.
That's how they do it.
You know?
It's all about manipulating the audience.
And Takashi was a master at it.
But I'm not saying in terms of that, but like, of course, like...
Without bots.
What did Tekashi understand about people that the average person doesn't?
That's a good question.
I don't think it's what he understands about people.
Oh, actually, you're right.
And he understands, I think he understands about the industry and people.
Okay.
People primarily want the bullshit.
They want the bullshit.
They want the bullshit.
Okay.
They don't want this.
They want to get on Instagram and watch shit crash.
Chaos.
Logical nuance.
Fuck all that.
They want like, and that's why I took a page.
That's why when we started this shit, I said, listen, fuck all this background question, bio math.
Matt, let's get straight to the beef.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's get off top.
I was going to ask you if Takashi influenced you because you, I got pissed real bad, but I'm going to ask this question.
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We had to take a little pee break.
Akashi.
Letters, bro.
What's up with y'all, man?
So he got me to me, bro.
He got every 90 minutes.
I got a pee.
No, I think I just small penis, small bladder.
It's all small.
What's he going to do?
Here's my question.
Yeah.
I noticed: is this something you picked up from Dekashi going at all these rappers and essentially being like, you ain't going to do shit?
Like when you went at Meek, he was doing it first.
You went at, were you doing that first, or was that?
No, I'm going to be honest.
I've always had like, but it was more of a challenge in dialogue, right?
I think now, you know what I mean?
Like, I just started to realize how stupid it is.
That's what Sixan did expose.
Like, they ain't going to do shit.
They ain't going to do shit.
That's what I'm asking.
They ain't going to do shit.
That's what I'm asking.
They ain't going to do shit, bro.
Like, he definitely exposed.
Yo, I used to think these dudes were killers.
I'm like, yo, a nigga like me got to have like 40 bodies.
Nobody knows about it.
He's buried somewhere like in Oklahoma.
This guy's, yo, you hear how he's rapping.
He's the then you see these dudes like swing.
Like, you see the punch in the back.
You're like, hold on.
This is not a killer.
No, he's a shooter, though.
You got to be a shooter.
This guy's, this guy's a killer.
And then you realize, like, yo, in reality, all the rappers who are killers, they go to jail like really quickly.
Like, everybody else really considers themselves as a brand.
And working in media, you started seeing how fake this shit was.
One of the first times Meek Mill ever, you know, him and his team got mad at me.
I posted a video.
This is how much they want to keep their gangster image.
I posted a video of Meek Mill in the hood, right?
He goes back to Philly after, well, there was a big ass block party.
I guess, I don't know if it was a shot fired or something like that.
Someone sent me a video of six armed police officers off duty, of course, who are working security for him with their guns drawn and they have him in the middle like he's fucking Trump or fucking Biden.
And I posted, I said, hey, me, Meat Mill being being secured by his security after, you know, there was like a fight or whatever the case is.
They hit me, yo, take that damn, take that.
I'm like, wait, what?
Now, they gave me the most bullshit reason.
Oh, nah, it's probation.
It's probation.
I'm like, y'all are on Instagram the whole time showing y'all at the location.
Why can't this part be shown?
The facade that they're giving you is that these dudes are killers.
Yeah.
For 6ix9ine to still be alive after this long says something, right?
There's some credibility to what you're saying, but at the same time, you know, it's not all fluff because you do keep your location secretive for that purpose so they can't catch up to you.
No, no, no.
Well, here what I'm saying, though.
The people in the world.
Well, you don't tell people where you live.
No, but I'm talking about like he won't even like geotag where he's at or stuff like that because he knows people are looking for it.
No, no, no.
Like if you walk in Philly right now talking about aren't rappers.
Yeah, but you know they expressed man.
He exposed he didn't like even when I know people are saying he exposed Chicago.
Nah, it's not Chicago.
He was trying to expose the Chicago rappers.
He was trying to expose particular rappers.
And what people don't want to admit in rap is that these dudes are multi-million dollar brands.
Yeah.
And they rap like they're murderers.
And they act like they would throw it away for nothing.
They won't.
That's the part of it.
You know what I mean?
It's like, hey, listen, whether, and to be honest, you get to a certain level.
Like, Meek Mill could roll around with 30 people.
Like, yeah, if I have no security and I run into Meek Mill with his 30 paid goons, there might be a problem.
But am I really like thinking Meek is a killer?
He's not.
Do you think Meek Mill is a killer?
Let me ask you a question.
I do think he did stuff in his past.
He has okay.
He's a multi-million dollar rapper.
We don't care about his past.
That sounds cute.
He went to jail.
He went back to jail for a wheelie and then he started crying.
Now he's free.
Wild.
Now I'm being honest with you.
I had to evaluate.
I had to, like, there's a point where I realized the moment I realized that what you're scared of with rappers, I could also do, bro.
You think I don't got the same amount of money to have 30 people walk around and go every single place with me?
No, I feel that, but I'm saying, you know, how it's not, we would be calling the rappers stupid if they're out doing the stuff that they're rapping about, but their goons around them is the people who are supposed to take care of that.
So it's like, there's going to be somebody who just wants to get Meeks Mill's favor and be like, yo, I got ACK.
And he won't even be Meek's man, but he'll just stall off on you and be like, yo, Meek, I got him for you.
Okay.
Like, you know that could happen.
Now, now, you're right about that.
But I'm supposed to be scared of Meek Mill for that.
That could happen anywhere.
I could say something about any rapper and I don't even know the person has a problem.
And then, hasn't happened to Charlotte?
That's true.
Super fan.
It could happen.
But it's not.
What I'm trying to say is that are scared of the rapper.
You're scared of that rapper.
Yo, yo, the guy who works for Meek doesn't want to lose his job either.
Especially not for catching a body for what academics are.
Meek don't want to go back to jail just to smack him.
Neither does the security guard that gets to fuck bitches on the side with Meek, that gets a tour around the world with Meek, that gets to go to Sixers games with Meek.
You think he's risking all his acts to shoot at?
No, Meek is hanging with billionaires.
Yeah.
It's a different world, bro.
Yo, yo, yo, the only thing, what I realize in terms of the industry, if I was beefing with some hood niggas who really didn't have nothing to lose, I would be really scared.
I realize these niggas are brands.
And I know, bro, I've literally been in a situation where I told my guy, I said, please don't do nothing because they're going to say, I did it.
I don't move around like that.
I don't want nobody swinging on nobody on behalf of me.
That's not my thing.
So when you have money, power, and influence, and especially you're in hip-hop, and you have an entourage.
That's the job of the entourage.
But that's not so.
The fans think that you're scared of the rapper.
That's not the case.
There's certain rappers, they're actually still living like they're goons.
Who?
Who's I see?
He's in jail.
He was in a club.
Somebody apparently pickpocket him for 40k.
I don't know how that happens.
And he takes out a gun.
He takes out a gun.
Like, what I'm trying to say is that only the idiotic rappers are still operating like they're goons.
And 6ix9ine did help expose that.
Because, and that's why the casual fan, I think, loves him.
Because the casual, right?
Not the person who's from the streets, the person who's not from the streets wants to believe that all those people talking that street shit that they're intimidated of are lying.
Don't you want to believe that the people that you're scared of are full of shit?
Yo, hear what I'm saying.
I remember, because I was trying to talk to nine out of many beefs.
Like, yo, he's on 6ix9ine.
But he's using these beefs like tokens, right?
It's not.
No, no, no, no.
But he's also, he's like, yo, stop thinking everybody's these killers.
And I think his perspective was he was rolling with a bunch of dudes who literally were trying to kill people.
And I think he was like, hey, I'm in this young part of my career and I see the risk of actually having these people around.
Like, for example, I remember telling him, I said, yo, first of all, it's a conflict of also interest.
I'm like, yo, I love Chief Keith.
Please leave Chief Keith alone.
Don't beef with Chief.
Also, the internet narrative is that Chief Keith is one of the most ruthless humans on earth.
Yeah.
Is he?
Now, here's the thing.
For him, he's like, what?
Chief Keith came to New York, and this is all documented and recorded.
He's touched everybody.
It's cool.
You know what I mean?
We're not saying nothing.
His dude shot at Chief Keith.
He's like, if he's a ruthless guy, we're shooting at him.
What's going on?
And then I think for the fans, they're like, wait, how does this happen?
And I do think that's what I was saying about rappers.
Certain rappers are like that, but most rappers, they're brands, bro.
And I know, listen to a gangster rapper rap gangster music.
We want to be so married to the lifestyle that you think they're doing it.
You forget that they're managing a multi-million dollar brand that only a few and only the stupid ones would jeopardize.
Like, yeah, I don't disagree.
I wouldn't jeopardize my brand.
Like, you think if Meek Mill was really a killer, Meek Mill would have been done something to me.
I'm telling you.
But if he did, he would jeopardize everything he got going on.
So what I'm saying is that he's not going to be able to do that.
But even the entourage point, real quick, even the entourage point, if you got, using his word, a multi-million dollar brand, you can't have an employee.
What happens when an employee says some shit that's a part of Nike?
They cut that motherfucker loose.
You can't do that around me.
You got to have your shit tied if you're in my entourage.
Yeah, you need professional intel.
Yes.
No, what I'm just speaking to is that it's not tough for ACK to call out Meek.
It's easier to beef with rappers than real.
It's not going to do anything to him to jeopardize what he's doing.
That's his point.
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, it's not tough.
Let me play this.
That's his point.
I could call out Meek.
Hold on, Yo, I could call out Meek.
I would never go to Philly and be like, yo, all y'all gangsters in Philly's pussy.
No.
Yeah.
Never.
Yeah.
Ever.
But Meek Mill don't even be in Philly.
Meek Mill flying around on probably just a helicopter is going to Michael Rubin's house and goddamn what's the other dude that owns the robber crap.
But I'm saying that rappers live and they benefit and profit off the facade, the perception.
Yes, in his previous life, he used to do a lot of those things.
At this point, coming out of jail, do you really think?
And I think that's the point.
Okay, so I'm with you on that.
So 6ix9ine sees this.
He understands, okay, these guys are million dollar brands and they have to operate like brands.
Like the street shit is, I want to get in.
Anybody who doesn't do that, all go to jail like 6ix9ine did.
100%.
If they didn't go to jail, ask yourself, what are they doing?
Young boys, I think, in jail now, right?
Anybody who does that, go to jail.
So when you've been listening, if your favorite gangster rapper has been rapping about killing people for the last 20 years and he don't even have a jaywalking ticket, he exposed that part of it.
Okay, so when he decides to beef, is he simply going, okay, I need to stir up the internet.
Let me start talking some shit about somebody who says they're a super thug, but I know they're not.
Yeah.
Simply, that's it?
No, no, no.
Or is it more methodical?
Because, you know, he has a recent issue with Lil Dirk, and I hate it.
Yeah.
Because, you know, one of my favorite rappers is King Vaughan, and he passed away.
Yeah, yeah.
And I consistently tell him, I'm like, hey, first of all, King Vaughn passed, you can't keep dissing him.
Yeah.
Like, what's your issue?
And I, and I even, I even told him, I'm like, maybe you do need a little bit of therapy because I think the beefing at first was, you know, you just responded.
And it hit in his mind is that I'm doing my thing, but I've never just dissed you randomly.
I'm responsible.
That's because you talked about it.
I'm responding.
I'm responding because you randomly said, fuck me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and because you just said, fuck me.
Now it's on forever.
Don't get mad.
And 50 used to say this.
They look at 50 was like, yo, they look at me after I shoot the motherfucker, but nobody saw any stuff on my shoe.
You know what I mean?
So, and his thing was like, don't judge the response when you didn't have the same energy for the person who kicked it off.
And I think that's how he still views it.
I remember even with the Dirk thing.
Explain Dirk.
So him and Lil Dirk, I think there was pretty much almost no issue.
And Dirk was almost kind of in the middle when it came to his issue with Chief Keith.
And all of a sudden, when he gets locked up, he's now labeled as a snitch.
You know, Dirk chose, he's like, all right, he's going to stay away, clearly, right?
Dirk never really dissed him.
Right.
But I think, number one, he signed King Bond.
King Bond rapped about him.
And it was like a rap.
It was like, yo, 6ix9ine said he seemed it, you know, and I think he talked about him a couple times on live.
And I think for 6ix9ine, it was just like, hey, if you like me, just ignore me.
But if you comment on me and it's negative, I'm going to have to say that.
You're going to say something.
And he went at both of them.
And I think what happened, truthfully, I think Dirk took that energy and he blew up.
Dirk's one of the biggest artists in the game right now.
Harnessing Russ Energy00:03:29
And I told him that.
I said, yo, he harnessed your energy.
He didn't respond to you.
And at the moment when you were getting blackballed, he got everybody to support him because it was the antithesis of you.
It's kind of like what happened with Rory and Maul and Joe.
Yeah, 100%.
That's one of the reasons why this is going to be the last time I mentioned it, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unless I'm, you know what I mean, checking the accountant with my man Alex over there.
You hear what I mean?
We got to check the accountant.
Stop it.
You got to check the accountant over there, man.
Looking good?
We got to check it out.
You got to check it out, man.
We got to check the accounting, bro.
He's a wild boy right here.
He's a wild boy.
In that little piss break, I gave him my email.
He's going to send me the Excel spreadsheet of the guys.
We got to look at it.
We got to look at it.
We got to look at it, bro.
We got to take a look at the books.
How much are they paying?
We got to know.
Like you were saying.
As you were.
I love Alex.
He'll be like, yo, you're making this difficult for me, man.
I got you, bro.
I got you.
Russ is the reason why I have this.
Why?
Is it because of independent angle?
I heard he was doing a song a week and I was like, I'm being lazy.
So I started putting out a stand-up clip a week and my career fucking exploded.
I have, I've told him he came on Brilliant Idiots.
I was like, I owe so much of this to you.
Unbelievable what he did.
He has diehard fans.
Like, bleed for him, fans.
All right.
But you're.
Does MGK have those?
And I just don't know.
Here's the thing, though.
Yeah.
Your admiration for Russ is literally because of Russ's work ethic and what he's done to build his audience.
It's not because you see his talent level and you're like, I get why this is.
No, I fucks with the music.
No, I heard a song and I didn't know he was white and I liked it.
Then I found he was white and I stopped listening to him.
It's a factual thing that happened.
No, but seriously.
Yo, we got diversity on this podcast.
I like this.
I like this.
White rapper races, dog, all day.
Yo, I think it's one of those things where I went to a Russ show and I'm kind of liking him to Russ because I remember not understanding Russ.
And I'm like, I understand the independent working to build something aspect.
You know, I've done that, but I couldn't understand who these motherfuckers were who liked this shit.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
You were looking for the demo.
Like, what is it?
I remember he was like, yo, sold out the, it was the fable center.
Yeah.
12,000 people.
I'm like, I got to interview one of these 12,000 people.
I had to find them.
I got to find it.
And it wasn't that his music was bad, but I'm like, respectfully, like, I went to Uzi concert.
It was like 3,000.
How is this motherfucker who in the culture we would say Uzi's like miles beyond doing way more tickets?
Let me go see what that demographic is.
And I learned about demographic.
And I remember someone said something to me.
It was like, hey, number one, he benefited from staying on the road early in terms of Russ.
Yeah.
Stayed on the road early.
He was always, he doesn't do what rappers do, which is, I'm at a club every night.
I'm getting 20,000 and I'm just like with the DJ while y'all play my songs.
He performs it.
He was like, not doing your club.
Book me to perform at your city.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And even though the person comes to the club or a different club in that city like five times to make five times more, he's like, no, I'll take the L now and I'll come there once and do a rush show.
Riding The Drake Wave00:15:40
Yeah, yeah.
And it paid off for.
All right, guys, we're going to take a break for a second.
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Now let's get back to the show.
Yo, how's the cheeks looking like now after you got the Netflix joint?
No, I'm married, bro.
Bro, like pre-dad.
I'm married, bro.
You know what I mean?
You gotta get a wigwink.
Come on.
Yo, you gotta be a different game when you invite them to the crib and you just happen to turn on Netflix and you're there.
And you're there?
Oh my God.
No, no, no, no.
I was wiped out for all that shit.
But I'll be honest with you, and I'll say this as far as cheeks go.
It's like everybody's everybody.
Everybody, I was Miami wiped up.
I'm wiped up, but everybody's fucking the same girls, put it that way.
That is true.
I got to a point, you probably experienced this too.
It's like, you he's like, you're like, why not fucking the basketball player I liked, girl?
I fucked this chick that Neat Mill fucked.
And the whole time I was so paranoid, I'm like, this might be a setup.
But it's the same hoes.
Everybody's fucking the same hoes.
Yo, I seen a chick, a chick, like she, she quote unquote, exposed me not too long ago, but like, like, I think I had a threesome with her.
Nigga, I seen her, which I think he's just dumb for it.
Adrian Broder was eating around the back of a car.
I'm like, what's going on out here in these streets?
I'm like, yo, are we?
It's like, the female population is like, that's what people don't realize.
No, no, this is 100%.
It's like, it dawned on me.
This is earlier in my success.
Obviously, way before my life.
Damn, AB.
Come on, bro.
Legend, bro.
He's at like five sex tapes a week.
He don't care.
Yeah, you fight for a living.
Fucking is nothing.
At least the tape, bro.
He got some CTE or something.
Probably.
He's punching the head ever since like 12 years old.
He's been getting punched in the head.
Non-stop.
But the point with these girls is like, this is what happens: you reach a certain level where you have you start sleeping with these beautiful women, right?
And then you realize, oh, these beautiful women are sleeping with these famous people, right?
And you're like, oh, I'm not as famous as them, but wait, why am I fucking their girls?
Wait, what?
Oh, there's the same girls that are.
There's a finite number of girls.
There's literally, I bet you.
Yeah.
Under 1,000 women that every famous dude is sharing.
Under 1,000.
Under 1,000, I guarantee.
Now, we're not talking about my athlete in J-Lo.
Hold on.
We're talking about the girls he fucks in between J-Lo and the other bitch.
My views of women have been warped because of that.
Because those women, their earth spins differently.
It spins like backwards.
Like, I'll share on Instagram.
Like, for example, right?
There was this girl on Instagram.
She was on some podcast.
And she was like, yo, listen, yo, my ex still pay all my bills.
Oh, I saw that girl.
Wildin'.
Wildin', right?
And gotta be stupid.
Head gotta be stupid.
Guck, gock.
Clock, clock.
No, no, no.
Clock, no.
Clock.
Hold on.
The new joint just kids.
Well, it gotta be head on demand then.
Say what?
You gotta be head on demand.
You're not my ex at that point.
You're my fuck buddy.
The head is so crazy that, like.
That you're still remembering it and paying the bill every month.
Fucked up.
The head is so crazy.
You're beating your dick like that.
That bitch ain't her right pay.
You're being a dick to your memory.
This bitch needs cable, yo.
You good?
You got HBO Max?
What do you mean?
Oh, my God.
That's how crazy the head gotta be.
100%.
Or you were into some foul shit.
This is what I think that is.
You're into some super weird shit.
That makes sense.
She was willing to do it with you, and she's going to keep it a secret as long as you keep on paying the bills.
Paying for silence.
You like shit going your ass.
You like shit going your ass.
They're going to cut this.
They're going to cut just this part.
You like shit going your ass.
I kid you not, though.
I'm going to be honest.
But I don't want to mention your name.
I feel like.
Go, go, go, go.
You kid me not.
A girl who I've been with, right?
And I almost, I was, there's a few women who I've, I always told him, I'm like, yo, I was your starter dick to the industry.
Like, I was like the first semi-right.
My dick was the AR.
Yo, you are the greatest influencer in hip-hop, bro.
I'm not like soldier, but come on.
But yo, so I looked at them and I said, yo, so you're telling me you're fucking on because like this chick came back and was like, yo, yo, you think you're popping?
Like, you know, I'm fucking Gunna, young thug.
Name a budget, right?
She named this one guy.
She's like, yo, he did the weirdest shit with me.
I'll just say he's an RB singer.
He's like, he drink.
Nah, not the drink.
But she said he had me peg him and had me use a dildo to fuck him in the ass.
Nope.
And if you listen to his music, straight love, boy shit, man.
And like, to this day, I always argue with him like, you're lying.
Who are we thinking, Al?
I don't listen enough RB.
It's gonna be in the comments.
Who we think, Al.
I'm not messing up.
I want to call her a liar, but why lie?
No, no, but there's 10 other girls with the same story by the same name.
Wow.
How famous a musician?
Yo, how confident are you to have 10 women do that to you?
That none of us are talking about.
They lost their vices.
That's what I'm saying.
So it looked like he's not paying the cable bill after he's done, though.
He got to keep paying him because Drake takes care of these girls.
That's why you don't hear nothing.
Yeah.
His baby mama has never ever said a word.
Never said she popped on Twitter for one day.
Like, he ain't shit.
I was looking at one of her videos and I thought the sound was all.
She was just mute.
I was like, what the fuck?
Drake got this one good.
But the thing with the Drake thing is quite interesting with him because there's a level.
Okay, there's street gangster shit, just like with Mafia shit and everything.
There's also a level of corporate gangster that people don't recognize.
The corporate gangster is way more ruthless because you affect way more people's lives.
Of course.
Like, you want to talk about like...
Like the people in Detroit that took those factories out of Detroit and just decimated the city.
That's gangster on a level that doesn't exist in Chicago.
You're talking about generations of families just being destroyed?
That's a different level of gangster.
So with Drake, I'm thinking it's like there's a different level because he's so intertwined with these corporations that it might be on some corporate shit.
Like where it's just like, oh, if we're beefing, I'm not going to have you beat up outside of a club.
I'm just going to have your career just in.
I'm going to take your livelihood.
Yeah, your livelihood.
Not your life.
No, I think the dope thing about Drake, and I've watched it, is that like his influence and what he pays attention is all the way at the top.
He'll be rapping about fucking sitting with like the guy who pretty much owns the whole music industry, Lucian Greens.
And then he'll still won't be big enough to sub some.
I'm going to just say he's unknown because he probably has like 15,000 followers in the city.
He'll sub him on a song and everybody won't even get it.
But for that one guy and that whole city, they're like, yo, Drake just killed you.
Like, Drake just, like, there's this guy in Toronto and like his whole thing is like, yo, you can't face me.
Like, they talk a little weird there.
And Drake, Drake, Drake said it on, like, I think the lemon pepper freestyle.
And he was just like, yo, face who?
Like, yo, I can face.
And he's just violated him.
Nobody knows, but that guy knows.
I'm like, how is Drake still tapping into shit like that?
Like, you're supposed to be this guy who's who's moving like companies with your words and shit like that.
But he still cares about that.
Well, this is what I think is so impressive with him and why he's able to like maintain his status for so long is that he basically births the next generation of artists and intertwines himself to those artists.
And now they're forever indebted to him because he's given them their first number one.
So it's like it almost behooves him to pay super close attention to who the next generation is or the next type of music coming out.
Like he was popping on the London shit for a minute.
Obviously, Migos.
Everybody's like, oh, I want to do something with you.
And he'll use his influence not only to help himself, but to help other people.
But by helping them, now those people are like, yo, Drake's the man.
Like he made me a millionaire.
Drake made me a million.
How could I not love him?
I've always said Drake is the best A ⁇ R in the game.
So this motherfucker, like every, on everybody early.
Migos early.
Lil Baby, early.
I text Mark.
I text Mark this the other day.
I go, maybe it's a couple weeks ago.
I go, yo, I go, how do I do an album with another comic?
Like, I could bring comics on my podcast.
I could, you know, and we put different comics on the podcast and really kind of...
I think Drake be rocking these motherfuckers to sleep.
I think he saw Futures Wave and Futures at the Future Hive.
And he was like, hold up, I'm beef with Meek.
I just dropped like a project that's good.
Yo, Future, let's tag team.
Let's do an album.
Let's go on tour.
And then he's like, I think he's always looked at it like, yo, I'm going to ride your wave.
And I know you're wave.
Your wave won't be as long as mine.
So instead of being, I think that's a selfless thing, though.
Because when usually people see, yeah, when people see competition, they're like, fuck you.
People create the fuck you.
It'll be like, yo, Andrew, there's a new dude.
He's funnier than you, bro.
Yes.
Yo, he's a new guy.
He's the new you.
Yeah.
And you know, you know what that usually says?
Like, he's that motherfucker.
Like, what are you talking about?
I like him.
Like, Nikki couldn't do that.
Nikki couldn't check her shit when she should have written a wave.
She should have put her hand around Cardi and said, you're my shit.
Love you.
She should have put her hand around Iggy Azalea.
She should have put her hand around Drake.
Because they weren't going to last.
Like, no, I love, yo, I don't know why they think I hate Megan.
So, yeah, your favorite industry friends.
You look right at Tori, like, you need more bullets?
Yeah, I think Tori did it, man.
Yes.
I want to talk about Tori in a second, but just to finish this Drake thing, the idea is like, how could I help a young comic?
Like, I can bring a comic on my podcast, and we've had comics on our podcast, and they've been able to blow up and like build followers.
It'd be bring him on tour, but it's more just like, do what a fuck with it with a rapper, you could do a song with him.
Yeah, if you're on tour with a comic, you're still on stage separately.
You can't really ride that wave with a collaboration.
He opens for your audience.
A song is together.
You hear Drake a little baby on a song.
Like, Drake's already on Lil Baby.
He's like, oh, Lil Baby's having a wave.
Let me hop on.
Yo, is it like I see Kevin Hart?
Like, he'll put a lot of new, like, didn't he do it with a female comic?
I don't think she's that funny, but what's her name again?
Tiffany Addish.
Yeah.
Like, he'll put her in a movie.
She's great.
So, in movies, that works like that, but like with Stand Up specifically, Stand-up is such a unique individual art.
You're by yourself.
But I'm also like, yo, I want to do more for people.
One, I want to like showcase people who I really believe and I think they're really funny.
But how could I do it in a way where the audience really enjoys it?
They enjoy the new person, but they also enjoy the thing I'm giving them.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't think you could do it.
I think Drake goes, we're going to do an album together.
Now all the Drake fans go, well, I'm going to listen for Drake.
And then they hear this other person.
It's almost like golf, though, man.
Son, it is so individual.
It's hard.
Yo, it's so much like golf.
It's like, yo, you can't really like Tiger Woods could have never put his hand around Rory Macruory or whatever the guy.
You don't say any Rory's name right now.
You hate all Rory's.
No, bro.
That's Rory.
The one you told me was Rory.
This one's called Rory.
Like, come on, man.
You do the version of Drake that you are able to do already.
It's like when you go to a city, you look for somebody that you think is funny to open for you.
You're exposing them to your fans.
I know, no, no.
Like, that's the best you can do for stand-up comedy.
I can do anything.
I think, and this is, I don't know how I think Rogan doesn't.
Yo, Rogan did it with me.
He does it through the pod, right?
I think Rogan sees.
He's the kingmaker, bro.
He's the king.
And when a lot of people who weren't in tune with you before him, when they think about your rise to wherever you go, they look at it as, yo, Rogan put us on.
And I think that makes him even more dope.
Like the thing with Drake, Drake used him putting on, he didn't put on a lot of artists, but it made it seem like it in the mainstream sense.
So now he's the biggest AR, right?
Rogan seems like the AR of comics.
Like, yo, you go in there and he gives you that cosign.
Son, it's not only comics, it's like comics, scientists, intellectuals, workout dudes, diet.
Like, he's the AR of life for a swath of the population, you know?
So his influence is immense.
But I'm thinking there's got to be another way.
Like, there's got to be another way.
Like, like me and Akash, me and Mark, like we can do a joke together or something like that where like you get to experience that person's humor, but you also get to experience my humor.
Like, I remember I had this one kid come on stage once.
He was just in the crowd and his friends DM'd me before and they were like, yo, or he DM'd me.
He was like, yo, my friends said they would give me $100 each if you would bring me on stage to do a show.
We're in this theater in Edmonton.
And I was like, fuck it.
All right.
Like, I didn't tell him, but I was like, yo, if you're here, come on stage.
He came on stage and he did a joke and it was funny and it was a cool moment, millions of views, whatever.
But like, I'm looking at that moment.
It's like, how do I do that for comics I really like?
Like, how do I promote someone whose comedy I think is dope and like kind of build them up to what I have in the same way that Drake has done?
Because let's say Drake is doing it completely selfishly.
Let's say he's not doing it because he wants to ride away.
Let's see he's literally just like, yo, these people are dope and they deserve some love.
Like, if it's coming from that place, shit, I would do that.
Do you feel like there's a need, a necessity to almost, you know, I always said that, even like with my audience, I'm like, listen, I don't really have much industry friends.
And I hope someone from my audience, and a few of them have started to pop up doing whatever.
I'm like, my only ask is that you just pass it along.
Yeah.
In terms of, I gave you the shout out and I gave you the opportunity.
Don't take the baton and run it wherever you're getting to along the way.
If you see someone else dope, pass it on too.
You know, it kind of creates like a tree in terms of influencing.
That's what I always say.
Like anytime people will say thank you or whatever, like for the opportunity, it's just like, yo, you're going to get somebody that's in the same position you were in.
Give them the opportunity.
Don't hoard that shit.
Don't keep it all yourself because a lot of motherfuckers want to keep it for themselves.
Selfish.
Yeah.
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You're right.
Yeah.
I don't know.
There's a proper way in comic, though.
He figured it out with music.
For Drake to be on top of the music industry, he had to do that.
Is he the greatest rapper ever?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Instantly.
Yeah.
And the reason why I'm saying is that we're not talking about just when people hear that, they instantly just think about bar for bar.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's like when you think about, I think overall, Floyd might be the best ever.
But if you actually think about boxing, probably ain't.
You know what I mean?
Probably who?
He probably isn't.
No, Floyd is the greatest ever.
I mean, I think that's arguable.
You know what I mean?
Some people would still, like, what are you going off?
Are you just going off technical skill?
Are you going off the fact that he's undefeated?
Are you going off technical skill?
You're going off.
That's his point.
His point is, you got with Beonte.
I'm so, but here's the thing with Floyd with me.
It's like, I not only think Floyd is the best boxer ever, I think Floyd is the best person at any task ever.
I think Floyd is better at boxing than Jeff Bezos is at business.
I think Floyd is better at boxing than Elon Musk is at building spaceships.
I think Floyd is better at boxing than Da Vinci was.
Da Vinci was at inventing shit.
When you say boxing, I think he's the best at boxing as in seeing the whole game and playing it right.
I think the conversation, if Floyd took certain fights and may have lost and his record wasn't 50 and 0, but 43 and 7, very different.
We don't even talk about it.
But nobody's meeting him.
But here's the thing, though.
There was a strategy.
His approach of the game was also up there with his skills in the ring.
You get me?
And I think with Drake, when I say he's the best rapper ever, I'm not only talking about like just rapping.
I think he's seen the game and done all the necessary things to capitalize and be at the top.
Okay.
There's really only one other person you can compare it to, right?
It's Drake or Jay, right?
What Is the fruit that has come from Jay's tree?
What is the fruit that has come from Drake's tree?
But is that, are you counting that though?
I'm just curious of it because the one knock on I count that legacy, but I don't count that in you being a rapper.
No, no, no, no.
I don't think in terms of skill.
I'm just, well, okay, let's stay on just who's the best ever.
So, you know, I think you're talking about like in terms of what Jay has done that has he's left with the game.
I agree, but I don't count that in being the best ever.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.
I think that's fair.
I only count that in your run.
And whether your run was assisted by, hey, in years you were weak, you put your hand around the hot guy or years like you were weak and you switched genres or whatever the fuck you did.
Drake made sure he had an ironclad hold on the game consistently for 10 plus years.
And Jay was always one of the top five.
Yeah, yeah, some years he was one, some years he was two, some years he was three.
But I think what he gave to the game in terms of people, influence, his impact, people cloud their thoughts in thinking about it to say he's the best.
But that's just his legacy.
You look at it as a knock when I say that like Drake did this with these other artists.
I don't look at it as a knock.
I think that what he did is unbelievable.
Like those other artists got way more out of it than Drake did.
Like he gave them tons of exposure.
You're talking about like, you're talking about a world superstar going on and going on a song with a guy who's hot in a small portion of the population.
Like maybe within that population, it's like the Uzi shit.
Like you were saying, like Uzi's selling 3,000 tickets.
He's not selling out arenas, but the whole world is like, can't stop talking about Uzi.
You let me know if I'm describing this enough.
I'm describing it as, for example, it's like teaming up in the NBA.
Yes.
Like people want to see LeBron not have no one on his team and just always be Cleveland champions.
The moment he says, AD, come over here.
Oh, fuck.
He's, you know what I mean?
But that is smart.
Yeah.
But I think what we're looking at with Drake is that we give him props for like helping other artists, but we're like, that artist could have competed with you at some point.
You get me?
Yeah.
And that's what I'm saying.
Rock him to sleep because there's a point that in 2015, if you go back when Future was so hot, if you could have forecasted, you'd be like, yo, maybe Future could, if he keeps this up and keeps ascending, maybe he could topple Drake.
I don't think I could.
Well, but Drake pretty much overshadowed his wave.
Travis, I think, maybe to a certain extent, people are starting.
Charlamagne said that about Baby.
Like, he believes Baby's a guy.
I don't believe Baby's a guy yet.
No.
But I think Drake is smart.
Drake, Drake won't ever make it like Lions in the Sand.
I think he'll always collaborate, help, and he'll always have those moments with that person, knowing he's going to outlast him.
He's like Floyd in a way.
Floyd never knocks the motherfucker out, but he's like, yo, you go 12 with me.
By the 12-round niggas, what do I want?
Right?
Like, yo, maybe the first couple of rounds.
That's diabolical.
That's brilliant.
That is next level diabolical.
That's why he's one of the best.
If you can't beat him, join him.
Join him so they can't beat him.
He can't beat you.
But you also got to believe in your shit.
You also got to believe when you're on the track with every one of these motherfuckers, you're going to be nicer.
You got to believe because that is immense self-belief.
Because if you're willing to go on the same song with all these different people, you're basically saying, I'm better.
I'm better.
You know what's funny though?
Like, Drake hopped on a.
This last track with Baby, I was disappointed because of that.
Baby wanted him.
Baby washed him.
Baby killed him.
Washed him?
Washed him.
Baby doesn't resonate with me.
I don't get it.
We're 37, so I don't think we're supposed to.
I think the way Drake capitalizes is because you know how an old rapper you can hear his music and it sounds a little dated.
They can't stay with the time.
So what Drake can capitalize on is like, hey, if I get on a song with this person who has a hot sound right now, I can now take this sound and it doesn't look like me copying because we're collabing on the sound.
And he was getting accused of that when he was doing a lot of that London shit.
And so he has lasted because now I can stay with all the new sounds that are going on because I'm just hopping on the new guy.
But then I could also come back to my singing shit, my emo shit.
And so it's like Drake's album never sounds like his features.
His plan is perfect.
It's like Dave Portnoy.
It's Portnoy.
And he's like, yo, I'm going to do a TikTok podcast.
You guys are 45.
Yeah, he does a podcast with Josh Richardson or whatever.
I am such a fucking hippie, bro.
Here I am thinking he's trying to spread the Burning Man love.
No, help other people's careers.
And the whole time he's like, I'm riding a goddamn wave.
Somebody told me this about Drake.
And I think it's very true.
I do think he's at an interesting point in his career.
And it's the point of his career where for the people like me who like him and love him, like, as I said, Drake is the greatest of all time.
You're now about to hit your 30s or you're in your 30s.
Yeah.
The new kids, Drake is cool, but he ain't young boy.
He ain't baby.
He ain't.
Is that true?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, for the new kids, yeah.
Drake is cool.
Like, they're like, okay, it's like, I remember when I came to hip hop, I was like, oh, Jayce's cool, but why are y'all riding his dick?
Like, I was just going to say, he's not revolutionary anymore.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think for my generation, it's like, yeah.
And it's like, how do you?
You know what's crazy?
Jake couldn't break that mold.
You type in Drake to Instagram and it doesn't come up.
You have to type in champagne.
Poppy.
You already had like 50 million followers.
But still, he's at that point where you realize how much demographics matter because it's who the kids love now.
And what was told to me, which I kind of agree, was like, yo, the kids who love, say, a young boy or baby, they'll never love Drake more than those guys.
Okay.
They might like Drake.
He's the kids.
He's 24 years old.
I mean, but kids are even younger than me.
But yeah.
So your generation.
No, no, hip-hop.
Let me tell you this.
What people don't realize is, by the way, this is one of the reasons why hip-hop, like when you're 24, you're busy with a job.
You're not affected by hip-hop.
You do have consumer money, but you're not on message boards.
You're not on fuck that's what, you know, Instagram, TikTok.
If you have a full-time job and come home doing TikTok dances, you got problems.
It's high school.
Listen up, nurses.
Back to work.
High schoolers.
He's just doing them dancing.
And I would say college.
High schools and college dictate the conversation of hip-hop.
After you leave college, now you have the money to spend.
So that's why some people don't care about being in the conversation as long as they get people like him.
He's going to spend the money.
He's going to, like, for example, young boys hot with the 14 to 18-year-olds.
If he goes on tour, you got to sell tickets to 20 bucks.
You don't have much money.
You know, when Drake goes on tour, you want to get even fucking 50 rows near the stage?
600.
Yeah.
Yes.
You know why?
Fucking working.
This is a once in a, you're seeing Drake, 600 bucks.
You could probably include a meet and greet, everything you want to do for a young boy or artist that appeal to that younger demographic, and their max ticket would be like $100.
And that's what I'm saying.
Wow.
It's interesting because the kids primarily help control the conversation.
But a lot of the income.
That's why J. Cole is still.
J. Cole benefited because he targeted the college kids who then graduated and started paying hard-earned cash to see his concerts.
Smart.
You get me?
But people are always shocked by all these rappers that are appealed to like 17-year-olds.
Like, yo, why are they doing stadiums?
Why is Russ doing bigger arenas than Uzi?
Yeah, Uzi fan is like 17.
Do you think Uzi fans about to drop 300 bucks to see him in Madison Square Garden?
No, it's not going to happen.
Explain.
There's two people I need you to explain in hip-hop to me: Louis Vert and NBA Youngboy.
Youngboy is Youngboy is the black Joe Rogan for black kids.
Get the fuck out of here.
They look at, and let me explain how I look at Rogan in terms of I believe a lot of white dudes look at him.
Like, yo, that's a dude who we drinking water.
That's why you pee all the time, bro.
That's a dude who we like to be like.
We like how he represents himself.
That's a dude.
Like, we want to emulate him.
NBA Youngboy?
Yes.
I'm out of here.
All the kids in the inner city, they literally dress like him.
Okay.
They dress like him.
They want to talk.
Like, he has a Louisiana accent.
There's motherfuckers from California trying to sound like him.
Say, like, they talk just like him.
And what is the gravity?
Like, what does he do?
What does he represent?
Like, it's because they feel like he's.
Give me backstory a little bit on him.
Again, I'm too old.
And that's why one of the reasons he's locked up, they actually believe, like, yo, it's like Chief Keith in 2012.
They're like, yo, he's real and he's in the hood and he's us.
If we're 17, we're him.
We ain't got shit, but shit, we're going to do regular hood shit.
We might be for this person, do this, do that.
Like, they look at him, and in the weirdest way, they dress like him, try to talk like him.
And because of that, they just emulate to him.
And that's why Youngboy for black teens overall, I think maybe for a little bit, Uzi had that, but not like this.
Like, this guy is the quintessential for a black teen, the hood nigga.
They all want to be like.
Hood black teens.
We're talking about.
So where's I mean, I mean, even people from the suburbs who, because that's what hip-hop is.
Like, like, hip-hop is just a vehicle that brings people from the suburbs and from like rich upper-class neighborhoods through.
It's like a safari through.
Vicarious safaris.
I've always said modern day cowboys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like I get to be out in the west, like killing people, but I don't actually have to do it.
But I'm telling you, they look at Youngboy and they're like, this is the guy.
They have picked him.
Uzi is, you know, I think he's almost.
Now, can I ask you a question real quick about Youngboy?
Is part of that because he popped on YouTube and that's where all the young kids are watching TV, if you will?
I think you're partly right.
He went around the industry standard of how they release music when he was on house arrest and he couldn't really put stuff out.
He used to just put out music videos a lot randomly and he would just put messages in the description because they banned him from social media.
And he would just like put out a lot of stuff and his audience are used to consuming.
If you look, that's why his audience always hit me up like, yo, he's number one this week again, even though he's been locked up for like a month.
But on YouTube, they're conditioned to consume his content.
But also vice versa, if you're only consuming content on YouTube, you're not used to spending money too.
You know what I mean?
But they love him.
I'm telling you.
Okay, now, Uzi.
Uzi is Uzi is a golden era of new music.
2016, I think people looked at you.
Think about the rappers that came in then: Kodak Black, 21 Savage.
Yachty was there, but Uzi was there too.
It was a start of the youth having an identity in music.
Think about before.
Like, yeah, you have Fetty Wap, that was 2015, but nobody was.
2016, I remember, is when I was like, oh, I'm old.
I don't get it.
I remember saying, I don't get it.
And I was like, oh, I'm old.
That's it.
And also, it was when streaming started to matter.
Music was primarily targeted to people.
I'm sorry, what's the name?
I'm sorry.
Mark.
Like Mark, who's you're 24, you can spend some money.
They used to ignore all the kids.
That's how I blew it to.
Because streaming put the kids on with streaming because the kids are always going to stream, but they were like, a stream is worthless.
And then it became worth something.
And then the artists that no one would talk about, they would just be like people lost on SoundCloud.
They became the number ones.
Superstars.
Yeah.
And Uzi was part of that wave.
Uzi's part of that wave.
And to be honest, he's one of the most talented ones from that wave.
And the one who is probably like, he's transcended just that wave to now.
He's just a superstar.
Okay.
Why is he a superstar if he's selling 3,000 seats?
That's a good question.
I mean, is it the age thing?
No, hip-hop to this day hasn't equated superstar to touring.
Superstar is album sales, superstar is social media presence, superstar is consumption.
And of course, business-wise, and when you look at, hey, how much inbox office revenue did you pull in?
Yeah.
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You know, hard tickets for the year.
Yeah.
He might not be up there.
You still consider that person superstar.
Also, too, with hip-hop, people don't realize a lot of artists that, like, who do you think is a superstar?
Just give me a quick name.
In what rap?
Yeah.
Drake.
Beyond Drake.
Jay-Z.
Okay.
The Migos.
Sure.
The Migos can't do a stadium arena tour.
Tickets in hip-hop is really hard to sell.
Wow.
And people don't realize that.
Wow.
You know, like Post Malone could go do a post.
But if you're Amigos, you're not doing an arena tour.
Unless Drake brought you, like, Drake and the Migos.
Is it just having white fans?
They'll buy tickets.
Is that what it is?
Partly, but also hip-hop is a genre.
It's unlike the movie industry where people are so used to getting it free.
If I watch every NBA Youngboy video on YouTube without even YouTube read, why the fuck am I going to pay $300 for a ticket?
But if you go into bigger venues, you can't sell tickets for $20.
No, get out of here.
Yeah, you're just not going to make enough money because the cost for the venue are just so.
Of course.
But that's not the same because I give away tons of content.
That's my strategy.
I give away tons of stand-up and then people come out.
Is it because stand-up live is better than music live?
Music live is usually worse than for me.
They're used to paying for the movies.
The movie industry did some great shit.
I mean, pirating really started and affected the movie industry and the music industry at the same time.
Yeah.
But the movie industry or the film industry, period, just dealt with it better.
People still have the mindset that music should be free.
That the experience they're getting from listening to people perform these songs should be at a minimal.
It's a reason why festivals came up because for me to justify paying two, think about it.
For a kid to justify them paying 200 bucks, they want to see Travis.
I need Drake.
Give me Travis, Drake, Uzi, Lil Baby.
Give me everybody on earth performing and I can go to whatever stage.
But when it comes to a movie, it's like, nah, I just paid 20 bucks for the ticket.
I went with my girl.
I then bought like 40 bucks in food and I enjoyed it.
Shit, it was a date.
It feels like an experience.
Music just kind of feels like, and that's where the music industry didn't do enough brainwashing.
They didn't do, they didn't make the audience feel like it was something anymore.
So people still think it should be free.
And only the upper echelon artists could command hard dollars.
Do you think that that also has to do with crossing over to a white and Latin audience?
And there's just so many more people when you do that.
Like, if you're popular within black people, that's 12% of the population.
If you're popular within white people and black people, now you're at 75%.
That's like Jack Harlow.
Like, he's selling crazy tickets now.
And I'm assuming his audience is primarily white.
You just got more people to sell to.
So when a lot of people go, like, oh, they're white artists, they're able to sell.
It's like, you just have more people to cook it.
Somebody told me just last night, they're like, yo, it was two people.
And I'm pretty sure people are going to get upset at this, but this is true.
They said, yo, Lil Baby's on tour currently.
They said, Lil Baby's ticket, he's trying to do arenas about 10,000 to 15,000.
You would imagine his baby.
They say his tour is doing bad.
They're like, you'll never see him post that his tour sold out.
It's not selling that much.
They're like, Jack Harlow's on tour.
Sold out.
Sold out.
But he was smart, though, coming off the pandemic.
And maybe the pandemic has something to do with it.
Jack Harlow is doing smaller venues.
He's doing like 2,000 venues.
Yeah.
Sold out.
All of them shit sold out.
But Baby, as much as you would think, if I told you to name five current artists you think are the biggest, he would be in that list.
It wouldn't fit me.
Yeah.
Really?
This is what I'm trying to explain to you.
We're out of touch.
Like, baby, for and yellison.
Well, you know, this is the thing.
Yo, damn shorts radio.
You watch?
So it's like, I admit I'm watched.
Like, I admit I'm a different generation.
Nobody.
I listened to Olivia Rodriguez.
You fucking bitches to dead air?
Yes.
To the AC.
Nah, I fuck with them.
Yo, yo, a chick told me that recently.
She was like, yo, why don't you like put on a play or something like that?
I don't want to hear beats and rhymes on a fucking you.
Man, I want to hear like money heights play.
Cause you know these guys.
Shut the fuck up.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Like, I got to keep it 100, but still.
Yeah, Lil Baby does not resonate with me.
And I think that you guys are kind of caught in a vacuum where you're like, yo, baby's the base.
Because I hear Charlemagne talk about it.
I hear certain people within hip-hop like, yo, Lil Baby's the biggest thing in the world.
I can't speak on behalf of all whites, but let me just finish this point.
I can't speak on behalf of all whites, but I have a feeling that Lil Baby is massive amongst black people.
Yes.
And there is a huge chasm between white and black people on Lil Baby Get On Board.
And that is your ticket sale slump.
And I think that's why Drake wins.
If you can't touch the people who are out of touch, you're probably not going to be able to sell arenas like that.
And by the way, and I remember, like, again, even some of my confusion watching the Russ thing.
And even I went to 6ix9ine show.
Like, he basically looked at me and was like, same thing with the hood.
The fucking percent.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Like, he said to me, he said, he said, and I hope he doesn't get mad at me bringing that.
It was a private conversation.
He was like, yo, if me and Lil Baby go to Switzerland and we both throw a show, by the way, he's done Europe like four times, sold it out, right?
If me and baby go to Switzerland and we do a show, who do you think people are going to know?
And then you get to realize the grand scope of things in terms of, like, to me, baby is the hottest rapper.
Like, the way we talk in hip-hop about babies, like, he reminds us of the run or when Wayne was about to get on his run.
But of course, Wayne then had to have a lollipop.
A Millie had to go crazy.
Like, there was a bunch of crossover songs.
And then I look at Baby.
I'm like, I ain't going to lie, man.
We bump it, but within certain vicinities.
Bro, I listened to him.
Isn't that his song with Drake and Baby on it?
I can't remember a baby bar.
What?
And you guys are saying he washed Drake.
I think he speaks too fast or something.
I don't fucking know.
He makes me feel old, bro.
He makes me feel old, bro.
I'm honest.
Like, I listen to it and I'm trying to get on.
Everybody's talking to me.
All right, what about like Roddy Rich?
Nope.
I like a couple of his songs.
No, you like the box.
The box.
I like the box because that all is up on the playlist.
Like three years ago.
I listened to Michael Booblay.
You listen to Michael Booblay?
Is he still there?
He is.
Here's the thing.
I like that baby.
I haven't met you yet.
Hold on.
By the way, and I think this is where like, you know, perspectives all matter.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I'll be sometimes so consumed in this rap world.
Exactly.
That I'll hear some other.
Yo, this feels so embarrassing for someone who runs, you know, a page that surround that we cover the musicians' lives and whatever, whatever.
That song, which isn't like, you won't hear it if you go to your favorite hood club.
Like, what was that shit?
I'm like, I'm a leader.
Oh, I heard it on Fortnite a bunch.
I'm like, what is this old ass song?
Then I heard it for real, for real, in real world.
Like, long after, I'm like, wait, this is a hit?
I've never, like, some of these songs, like, Leave the Door Open.
It's Silk Sonic.
Silk Sonic.
I don't know if you're not.
Oh, yeah.
I thought that shit was Usher.
That's one of the shit.
You ever heard of Olivia?
There's Olivia.
Rodrigo, son.
I've never heard a song.
I just heard her last night.
I never heard a song.
This is number one.
This is what's happening with the internet is that we can get all lost in our little in the other part of the world.
It's huge.
Son, I literally put on, I'm trying to find some new music.
Just listening while I run because I need distraction.
I go, what's the top hits?
This bitch got eight of the top hits.
The top hits on Spotify is her whole fucking album.
I started listening.
A regular person in hip-hop doesn't know one song.
That's Lil Baby.
She's Lil Baby.
Questioning The Audience00:15:34
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That's what I'm trying to say.
It's like, Lil Baby just hasn't crossed over.
As someone who, this is what I do for a living, right?
Is I perform.
I sell tickets.
What's his face?
Uzi's driving Bugattis and shit, putting $20 million diamonds in his forehead.
When I find out I sell more tickets than Lil Uzi, I'm like, oh, shit.
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But like, a lot of that is hip-hop.
Put it like this.
Ticket sales is such an interesting conversation that most artists won't get into future meat mill like two years ago, the last time when meek dropped an album, they try to do a they try to do on average 12 to 15,000 venues.
They cancel half of it, couldn't do it.
It's hard to sell tickets.
Community couldn't even sell tickets, but it all it does tie back to your demographics population.
Daniel Hernandez, that's a massive Latino population.
6'9 can sell out easier because he's talking to his people.
If you're a rapper and the other races don't fuck with you, you're talking to 12% of the U.S. population.
And they're concentrated in a few different cities.
You can't go to Wichita, Kansas that easily and sell out if white people don't know about you.
That's why I think Drake had a cheat code.
Drake got a fucking cheat code.
Why?
Man, Drake's speaking 15 different.
Yo, he spoke Arabic on one of his last songs.
Come the fuck off.
He knows what he's doing, bro.
He spoke Arabic.
He spoke Spanish with Bad Bunny.
He has a song that I still listen to that is speaking Portuguese, is running the Brazilian charts.
Like what?
That's what that's why when you know, as much as you'd be like, yo, hey, like you try to like almost kind of gauge it, like Jay to be like, all right, you're at the point where you're supposed to get out of here.
You have to realize this motherfucker is serving everybody.
Like, he's like McDonald's, for real, for real.
Like, he got like, you know, McDonald's might be a little might have a little hyphen over the name in a different country.
That's Drake.
That's Drake.
He is so good when it comes to that.
And I'm looking like the guy is speaking, he's in the islands with it.
He brought it back to Toronto.
He sounds like he's from Houston.
When he wants to get Gex, he's from Chicago.
Yeah.
Then when he wants to get like he's on a West Coast tip, he's from the West Coast.
Then he gets international with it.
He's speaking Portuguese, Spanish.
The next thing he's going to do is fucking speak Latin, man.
What the fuck are we going to do?
That's great.
You got to be, yo, I'm, I give it up to him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he does it in a way where it seems authentic.
I do think, though, but that's where you know, I think, you know, you almost have to, um, it's like error correction.
Cardi B's Spanish, 6ix9ine Spanish.
Drake is half black, half white.
We can't expect someone like Lil Baby, who's straight black from the hood, to compete with those numbers internationally.
So, so when we say, like, at what point do y'all think that Jay was doing arenas and just Jay alone?
I'm not talking about Jay saying I'm bringing the whole Rockefeller.
Oh, no.
There's always a couple artists hot.
It took a while.
When you're like multilingual, when you're multiracial, when you are kind of socially ambiguous, or shit, if you're just white, you are going to be able to appeal to much more of an audience.
You feel me?
Like, truth be told, there's no black guy that could ever have the reach as Rogan.
Let's be honest.
No.
Can we actually have a real conversation?
Just numbers in America?
No.
Because part of Rogan's appeal is that a lot of people could see yourself in that person in themselves.
Like, you can't.
Like, you can't.
You could.
He can't.
I don't.
That's facts.
I love Rogan's great.
I don't see myself in him.
Yeah.
And because I've seen that shit happen all the time here.
Like, put that.
They don't listen to music that much, but whenever they're like, oh, shit, you heard that song?
It's always a white rapper.
And I'm like, don't put that in.
No, not me.
No, I was putting it in Easter.
Like, they'll jump on Jack Harlow.
They'll jump on somebody.
How the fuck do you hear Jack Jack Harlow?
No, for real.
I've never heard you say like, how did you hear Jack Harlow?
The new black put me on.
NLE Chiapa is my guy, bro.
You were talking about half a dozen times.
Just because he's like years ago organic.
He's like, no, it was because he's growing season of Flower Pot in his kitchen.
Honestly, watching his YouTube channel rebirth has been fascinating, dude.
Like, he's been algorithmed.
I'm watching this guy, and I actually hit Duval about it.
I'm like, yo, this guy's actually really curious about truth and shit.
Should holler at him, like take him under your wing.
Like, he's a guy who's curious.
He wants the fucking truth.
And he's getting YouTube algorithmed into like selling different fucking teas and shit.
I think that that is almost not saying he's copying him at all, but that's why people thought and he passed away executacion.
Yes, yo, X.
He was, he, once you started tapping into like, you know, like higher level thinking, some different shit.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, all right, cool.
And I've realized, I've ranked it too.
I was like, listen, if you want to have a show about gossip, the ceiling's here.
Okay.
You want to have a show about gossip, life experience, ad sports, ceilings here.
Okay.
And if you want to have a conversation about, you know, other levels of like, you know, the conspiracy theories and shit, fucking ceiling's here.
And that's very true.
You know, so like I watched X do it and like it almost turns to be a cult.
It's almost like people are like, even with Alex Jones, like I don't even think like, I don't even think Alex Jones cares enough to be a racist.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't think he cares enough to be a racist.
I think he's so racist.
I think he's stuck on his own thoughts of what he thinks the world is and what's going on.
But what does he say that's racist?
Well, I don't know.
We happen.
That's the thing.
This is what I think happened.
It's like black people, we don't really pay that much attention to what's happening in the white world.
And we kind of just group a few niggas together.
Exactly.
So we grouped him with the Rush Limbaughs.
We grouped him with a lot of the Fox.
As soon as he rocked with Trump, he was like racist.
As soon as he rocked with Trump, if you came out of the doors, Trump, they'll be like, of course, of course.
And that's what it came.
And that's why it's dangerous because people in music, they know music.
They're masters of music.
But a lot of them don't know anything else.
And then they leave music, they start talking about politics.
And Meek Mill is a perfect one to get in, right?
It's like you start talking about politics and you just told a company line with the political takes.
But politics is a different beast, bro.
Like these people do their Googles.
Like, you do not want to be in a Google contest with Alex Jones.
The motherfucker finds out who the pedophiles are.
He finds out who the dirt, the bushes.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you don't think he's going to expose you?
If that wasn't the content that he was making, I don't think after he got blackballed from all social media and like, you know, content platforms that he'll be still, you know, still doing good.
Oh, because he has the cultist following.
Yeah, you have to, he had to be doing that to still survive.
You're talking to a motherfucker that finds the dirt on the people who it's hardest to find the dirt on.
That's a bad man to be in, bro.
Especially, if you got dirt, that's a bad man to be involved with.
I watched those episodes and I loved it.
And I remember just thinking to myself, I'm like, you guys are such, you guys are in the perfect place.
Like, you know, you know, I always told people if I didn't pop off from what I did, I could always find the need of an audience and somehow try to serve it.
So I would pop off doing something else.
And I think the great people who know how to build an audience always figures that out.
And I think right now we're in a need of like, bro, if you look on social media, Twitter, and Instagram, like, is this a bunch of people with pussy-fied opinions?
You can't talk about certain things.
You can't laugh.
And maybe comedy helps.
I think comedy definitely helps you guys, right?
Yeah.
Because I was watching, like, y'all just, you could roll up in a joke.
And as long as the joke's funny, it's like, oh, it's cool.
No, we're joking.
But like, in reality, there's certain things that you can't even, you can't even talk about.
And I watch people, if you do it on Twitter, you're getting roasted and canceled.
If you do it in most platforms, you're getting fired, roasted, and canceled.
And I watch you guys like touch on subjects.
And I was watching, I think it was like the Black News Network.
I didn't know that existed, but Mark Lamont Hill had Judge Joe Brown talking about Bill Cosby.
Wow, boy.
And truth be told, I was watching them engage.
And, yo, you got the clip, right?
Yeah.
Play the clip.
This is the craziest shit.
I would love to hear what you think about it.
Yo, I feel like I missed out on his show.
Joe Brown.
That's Joe Brown, bro.
Yo!
This guy does not give a fuck.
Once you get the handlebar mustache, you know the opinions are going to be wild.
You just check that out.
That's why we fuck with old people, man, because they just can't not say what it really feels.
Look at Mark.
Look, Mark trying to hold it together, bro.
Hold on.
They are inebriated where they are high or drunk.
You cannot have sex with them.
It is not sex.
It becomes rape.
And even though you say we certainly kill states in certain states, it's not for every state.
And it goes in the state.
It goes into the back.
I didn't know I was going to get punched, so it ain't my fault I got a DUI and killed somebody.
I thought it was a great point.
How do you think that's going to flow?
I thought it was a great point, though.
Whoa.
Right.
But the difference is that person has a responsibility to get into the car.
This is why I'm this is now Mark knows because he's involved in the political world, but like this is why if you're entering the political realm, you're entering the legal realm, it's different than gossip.
Music and sports, let me say this: music and sports is gossip.
It's nonsense.
Comedy, music, sports is gossip.
It's nonsense.
It's POV.
Nobody could call you on it.
When you start entering legalese and you start talking to judges, politicians, the fucking political pundits and shit, all they do all day.
Mark Lamont Hill has done this.
He's a beast.
Mark Lamont Hill will find the best arguments of things.
Regardless if you agree or disagree with the argument, he will do the reading.
He will do the research.
So he's ready for that debate.
That's why I'm saying, like, if you enter, like, if you enter a debate with one of these guys, this is all they do.
This is their life.
They live and breathe this.
They have an opinion and they find all the best research.
They literally fund think tanks.
They spend hundreds of that, millions and millions of dollars just telling smart people that come out of Ivy League schools to find the best way to argue their opinions.
They're ready to go.
You don't got a chance unless you're about that life as well.
Of course.
So he thought he was going to throw this point up, which is, hey, listen, if you're sleeping with someone who's under the influence of alcohol or drugs, it's rape.
And then Judge Brown just hits him with a, well, what if somebody's under the influence of alcohol or drugs and they get into a DUI and they get into an accent and kills it?
Is that not their fault?
They chose to take the drugs.
I thought that was a brilliant counterpoint.
I'm going to be honest, though.
I love Mark Lamont Hill.
I hated how he approached this.
And I saw him later on the E Lamenta.
He pretty much said, I'm sorry the interviewer went that far.
And I don't hate him, but I hate people who go into a conversation or a debate only with the hope and result that you have to agree with what you're saying.
He clearly was not going to agree with what you're saying.
And instead of understanding his point, you just found it so detestable that you weren't even trying to, they were talking over each other.
You also got to serve your audience.
Your audience is going to be super disappointed if you hear him out.
A lot of people have created an audience that doesn't allow you to question without being disappointed.
Like if Mark Lamont Hill was like, okay, I don't agree, but I just want to hear you out.
They would say, how could you give him that platform?
So he has to argue with me, has to talk over.
He has to tweet afterward that he's disgusted by it.
As opposed to, it's only the law in certain states.
That might sound fucked up to you, but it's a fact you can't argue with.
Yo, and this is why I felt how Mark Lamont Hill was going about it is exactly what social media is.
Yeah.
Like, if something is tweeted out, nobody even wants to hear the pit.
Just agree.
Shut the fuck up and agree.
Yeah.
And if you're not shutting the fuck up and agree, like, that's, I feel like that, that was the sentiment.
Like, just shut up and agree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, we'll agree that, like, all right, cool.
Legally, like, he got off, but like, he's a predator.
We're just going to call him a predator because we all agree he's a predator.
And he was like, no, no, we're not going to call him that.
And he, I could tell it was almost he was, he was getting heated.
Just kind of, yeah.
And watching that is how social media operates with anything.
Yeah.
And I hate that because that's really, that's really not true free speech.
And he kept saying, Judge Joe Brown, he kept saying, yo, what a lot of you guys are talking about in terms of you want to describe him as this or you hoped it turned out this way, that's mob justice.
Like, no disrespect, but the Me Too movement started out very pure and then turned into mob justice.
Yeah.
A lot of social media is complete mob justice.
Yes.
And I watched someone who, and I think, you know, he's in a very special space of his life where he just don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
It's not like he's on TV.
He's not like he's a sitting judge somewhere.
Like he's just cooling.
So like he could just say it and get off his shit, whatever.
But I feel, and if I would take a poll, I think a lot of people think, I'm not, maybe not about this particular subject, like Judge Joe Brown, but a lot of people about many subjects that you're scared of, you're too pussy.
And that's why I love what y'all do because sometimes I see y'all voice it even in a funny way and y'all see him not serious.
I'm like, they think that shit.
Maybe funny though.
Maybe.
It's possible.
You don't know.
Edit that out, please.
Isn't that what's black and though?
Yes.
Isn't yeah, like whether like you could take away from this and be like, yo, Judge Joe Brown's an idiot.
But for the mere fact that he could voice his opinion, and even if you didn't agree, you're like, okay, some of the stuff he makes sense.
It became almost outlawed to even acknowledge that.
If you acknowledge that, you're a rapist offender.
Canceled For Calling Her Out00:10:04
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You're a victim oppressor.
You know what I mean?
You need to be canceled.
And I watched this and I'm like, damn, this is exactly Twitter.
If you say anything to the contrary of what the mob is saying, you're the problem.
That's what this conversation was for, Twitter.
And it is.
You're right.
An unpopular opinion makes you unpopular to a lot of people.
One unpopular opinion is enough.
It should be that.
You guys build this podcast.
I'm like, at some point, somebody in the room must have said, yo, let's chill out.
Because we might want to get with Netflix and they might see some shit.
And that joke, that joke, they might not hit you with a Drake well played.
They might be like, you fucked up.
Let me tell you what will happen.
This is something I realized.
They cancel the people that are attached to corporations because it's not really you they're trying to cancel it's the they're trying to get a billion dollar corporation to bend to their whim so what happened is we put out the netflix special right and then like there was Was like some people reacting to the Netflix special, right?
Like, they thought it was really fucked up.
Like, we made some jokes.
They thought there was like some insensitive jokes about like Asians or something like that.
We literally made fun of every single race.
We're so like diabolical with it.
Like, we went through all the jokes and we color-coded them for political party.
So, we're like, okay, do we have a decent amount of like several jokes?
Literally, fair, dude.
Yo, we're making fun of gays, lesbians, transgenders, everybody gets the job.
Blacks, whites, everybody, males, females.
And of course, there's one offended party.
Of course, we should be.
It's just white people offended on behalf of another group, right?
It was Asians in this circumstance, right?
And what was so interesting is we say fucked up shit on this podcast every single week.
Yeah, every week.
Nobody cares.
The second there was a corporation that they could attack, the second they could go, Netflix, how could you platform this person?
Netflix, how could you?
It's nothing to do with Andrew Schultz.
It has nothing to do with Mark Gagnon or Alex Media.
It was how do I get the billion-dollar corporation to move based on what I feel.
And to your point, maybe it happened and I wasn't aware, but I didn't hear a lot of cancel Joe Rogan type things until Spotify.
Oh, yeah.
Now, every week.
You hear it.
The only time you would hear it is whenever he would endorse a political candidate and the opposition would make him radioactive so that it would remove his endorsement.
Yeah.
Yo, it happened to me.
But Spotify, yes, 100%.
Yo, it happened to me with Complex.
I'm sure.
And I was definitely a little bit, you know what I mean?
A little bit off the head, dog.
But still, I said something about Chrissy Teigen.
What did he say?
Oh, yeah.
So, anyway, I didn't like it.
All right, so Chrissy Teigen, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She out of here, bro.
Well, it's funny because when I had a gripe then, they were like, oh, the way you said it, fuck you.
You know what I mean?
They got me out of here.
No, but really, so Chrissy Teigen, this whole bullying thing, she's always done it.
I remember, like, again, this is when like 6ix9ine just went to.
I remember she had tweeted some thing.
I was like a picture, like a made a picture of me and 6ix9ine, like cuddling.
And she made like almost, it was super like homosexual reference to it.
And I was like, wait, this is all cool.
And I never say anything about it.
And then she said something else, but it was like, I think I was trending at the day.
And she like retweeted and be like, yo, what a fucking weird, like something like that, right?
Yeah.
Now she deleted all those tweets.
I realize she's great these days.
But I told you, copy save.
You know what I mean?
Files save.
I always do it, right?
And one night when her husband, John Legends, album dropped.
Legends.
The motherfucker's so like, 13,000.
John Legends album dropped.
Oh, John Legends.
I thought he was pluralizing his last name.
Oh, no.
His album, his album dropped.
And she's so outspoken on social media.
And I was reading.
I do sales for everybody in hip-hop and just music period.
I was like, how the fuck does he suck like 13,000 when his wife is on Twitter starting up every conversation and hailstorm every day?
Why doesn't she use her platform to promote his fucking album?
Yeah.
Now, granted, I did mention some colorful language and I might have said the B-word, okay?
But still, it was meant in the context of, hey, check your chick in terms of her always getting at people.
What did you call her?
You call her Buck Choi?
Listen.
But, and by the way, you know, I did later apologize.
You called her bitch?
I had to.
I'm going to be honest with you.
Why?
Because at first I wasn't going to.
And by the way, there's been times when.
Now you could call her a bitch, right?
Like she told a 17-year-old girl to die to kill herself.
Well, that's also the thing with social media.
That was before people knew she was a bitch.
That's the thing with social media.
Now they're just like a bitch.
You could get away with saying the craziest shit if you're a bitch.
Call her a bitch.
Call her a bitch now.
No, no, of course.
She told a 17-year-old girl to kill herself.
Well, here's the thing.
That's bitchy.
Can you say bitchy?
No, no, no.
I have a lot of people.
You can't say bitchy.
Well, I wouldn't.
Why?
I'm going to tell you why.
And I'm gonna tell you why I apologize.
Because, and I've been, I remember when Sizza was like upset.
Like, one time I described her on Twitch, and then she came in for an interview, and she saw it.
That's like, because I didn't know how she looked.
And I was like, and I made a description of how it sounded.
She was upset.
And Complex wanted me to apologize.
I said, no.
The reason why I apologize for the Chrissy Tegan bitch.
Was that no.
Just say it, bro.
You want to say it?
No, I don't.
You don't think she's bitchy?
I'm going to be honest.
The reason why is like, I worked with a female, Nadesska.
And I remember her telling me, she was like, yo, listen, I know how supportive of me you are.
And, you know, you know, my plight through this entertainment industry.
And I'm going to be honest, when I watched what you said, granted, I get that she said things about you before, but it felt like you were belittling women.
And I had to apologize, even though I was trying to personalize it to her, but the mere thought that it was like I was trying to just offend all women.
But you weren't.
You're calling her specifically a bitch.
But if it's someone that's on your side, I know you're everybody loved her.
Calling her that particular word was calling everybody.
Was calling everyone.
That's right.
Because they were.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she's on Axe Side.
She's like, yo, you've done a lot for me.
I know who you are.
I'm just telling you, it's still to me with that knowledge sounded this way.
Yeah, she called you a batty boy, bro.
No, she did.
But you can't let me know.
Also, I learned another thing.
Because when I tried to explain it at first, everyone was like, yo, where are the tweets?
Like, we don't even know where it doesn't even exist.
Like, you just seem.
So I was caught in a vacuum where they're like, we didn't see when she provoked you.
We only see when you shot up the club.
Like, nobody saw when she spit in your face outside the club.
And now you're like, fuck it.
I'm going through the junk.
This whole shit gets shot up.
We only saw that.
So, and I was like, you know, I took the L, but I watched what she's going through, and I kind of feel bad for her.
I feel bad for her because it's a lot.
They're doing a lot.
I think she's been the person that's leading the mob to try to get people out of here before.
And she never realizes that when that happens to you, there's never a point of sympathy where someone says, Well, I think she gets it.
Chill.
There's never a point of redemption and be like, yo, I think she's sorry.
There's never a point of anything where it's like, yo, all right, yo, you know what?
Let's give her another chance.
Those things never happen with cancel culture.
And she's been on the opposite side.
So I look at it and that's why I don't like, I'm not happy about it.
Because truth be told, the person I am, and apparently the person, all you guys are, like, we will all get canceled for a bunch of shit and come back.
Because cancel culture now means like we ain't fuck with you for this week, but it's probation.
Next week?
Yeah, probation, sure.
Next week, if you like do some funny shit or you go viral, we fuck with you.
My shit is like, I don't know.
I don't like people who pretend to be perfect.
Like, she's canceling all these people knowing full well she told a 17-year-old kill themselves.
Like, that's crazy.
Like, you're acting as if you're perfect.
You're criticizing people for their worst moments.
But how well you had bad moments?
How could you blame her?
A lot of the things a lot of things you're accusing her of wasn't just in the dark.
Some of it was, someone was through DMs.
But she was kind of doing a lot of this stuff on her timeline and people were supporting it.
That's what I hate about it.
It's kind of like the Ruri and Millie Mo type of shit I was telling you about.
You're going to sit here and listen to this nigga and say all this shit.
And then now you're going to jump off the bandwagon and get mad at the nigga for saying the same shit that you were sitting with them.
She was doing, she never only did this in private.
She did this in public and private.
And nobody was like, while y'all were on the Chrissy Teigen bandwagon, no one said, hold up, Chrissy, no, you wilder with this.
No, chill.
No one did that.
By the way, one of the other people who claimed that she said something about them, the dude at the time was being canceled for being potentially racist.
Everybody on the timeline was like, get that.
No, Sabab is like, kill him.
We don't care.
Now, when everyone's like, yo, level head.
That shit all come.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whoa, okay.
I know we meant kill him then, but like, we didn't mean to actually tell him to kill himself.
Yeah, you did that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on, you're flip-flopping.
Yeah, that's the thing that that's what people do.
And I guess that's what I get annoyed about.
I just thought the timing of canceling her was weird.
It was like two weeks after she lost her kid.
And then she had, I remember some thing where she got an expensive bottle of wine, and everybody's like, what if she's not in touch?
This stupid bitch.
She was saying the expensive wine wasn't good.
But don't you think, like, these people, like, if you're ready for a cancellation, it's because you've been building it up and you just haven't given people an option.
Who do you think she pissed off?
Let's get on her conspiracy theory shit, bro.
Who the fuck she pissed off?
She pissed off right-wing Twitter and right-wing Twitter was just waiting for me.
She pissed off whoever the fuck was on that plane for Jeffrey Epstein, man.
We got to figure it out.
Yo, while they wanted me to react to her, they kept sending me manifests.
They're like, yo, she was on the manifest.
I'm like, I'm not touching this with a 10-foot pole.
No, they didn't.
Yo, what you need to fucking attack her or respond to her.
They tried to label her.
Yeah, they tried to label her a pedophile.
Yeah, they try to go for her being a pedophile.
Geopolitical Strategy And Apps00:12:47
Because that's their thing.
Like, so conservatives, the extreme right-wing conservatives.
All right.
So the liberals, if they don't like you, they call you racists.
Yeah.
But for the extreme right-wing people, calling you racist is like, eh, there's worse things.
So it's like, that's not really moving the needle, right?
So they got to have what's their extreme.
Their extreme is pedophilia.
So if they don't fuck with you, you're a pedophile.
You are a pedophile.
Like, that's what it is.
Doesn't matter who you are, what you do.
They will find a tweet.
They did that with the dude from Marvel or whatever.
James Gunn, the director.
Something they did with Tom Hanks at one point.
Tom Hanks, they said, was a pedophile, bro.
Oh, yeah, it is.
Wrap everyone under.
Yeah.
Yo, yo, let me ask you one question.
All right, go.
Because I've seen it happen.
And maybe people always said I was salty because of it.
I just didn't see it lasting.
You were one of the early, and I maybe still haters of Clubhouse.
And I went on there and I knew something was up.
They, all the people that owned it, they're like, hey, you've had the biggest, we had Chris Rock in here.
We had this.
You had the biggest house.
You had the biggest room.
And it was like a bunch of like these people having a confrontation intervention mobile.
And you've never believed in that platform.
And watching what happened to it, I don't think you're that resistant of like TikTok.
Yo, son, the only reason I hate TikTok is because it's like a Chinese spy tool.
Like if we invented it, it is, objectively speaking, the greatest social media platform I've ever seen created.
It's unbelievable.
I can watch it with my girl for an hour straight and be completely entertained.
I can watch it with them for an hour straight, be completely entertained.
Wasn't it supposed to be sold to like Microsoft?
Yeah, but they have these back channels to get the data.
All social media is data, right?
It's just mining data.
And if you're big enough as a business in the United States of America, you're intertwined with the government, right?
Like, so, I mean, Alex Jones' thing is like the NSA runs Amazon, not Bezos.
You know what I mean?
Like, you just, you get big enough within business where they don't just let you operate freely.
You think you're just gonna, you think you're just gonna make billions of dollars and the U.S. government is gonna say you don't have to pay taxes?
Yeah, that's your agreement.
It is weird.
We got monopolistic measures, controls, and all that.
And the last monopoly I remember breaking up was ATT in like 1990.
They're doing all right.
Yeah, yeah, but that was since what 30 years you had Amazon.
Walmart was damn near one at one point.
They haven't broken it.
They get big enough to have a government job.
That's how the fucking game works.
I kind of disagree.
I think we're at a teetering point.
Something's going to happen to all these companies.
Like, think about it.
I think the government has to do something about Instagram and Twitter.
I think if you see Nigeria said, fuck out of here, they told Twitter to get the fuck out of here.
They do.
Like, Nigerian president tweeted some shit out.
And Twitter said, this is too violent.
We can't.
And Nigeria's like, what the fuck?
We run our shit, not you.
You get the fuck out of here.
And America doesn't like that.
Well, we create the social media apps.
All the other countries use the social media apps.
We get all the data from those other countries, how their people act, how they operate, who they want to vote for, what they consume, how they live.
China makes a social media app.
It's not like Trump.
Everybody's probably.
Everybody around the world, everybody around the world loves this social media app.
But now we're not the ones getting the data.
We're not the ones getting the information.
We're not the ones profiting off of it.
That bothers us.
The only reason I'm upset at it is because China bans our social media apps.
If China was like, yo, it's a game who creates the hottest shit.
We could have Instagram there.
We have Facebook there.
They do TikTok here.
I'm cool.
But the fact that they go, no American apps can exist here.
Fuck you.
We have ours.
For smart on their behalf?
Yeah, sure.
I mean, I think that's where the U.S. government is going to come into problems.
For any government to really control the people and every government, even if it's like it's a government where it's not like just completely totalitarian, where they're just ruling everyone.
You know what I mean?
It's like you need the government law and rule to maintain order.
And you always got to control two things, which is media and, of course, religion.
Of course.
And if you quote unquote...
Well, those things control people.
Right.
And if media is allowed, and for example, like Twitter, Twitter could say, hey, I don't want the president to say this.
I don't think the government should say this to their people.
I think that's a big problem.
But what if Twitter's the government?
That's what I'm saying.
Facebook's.
But if the government has to do something about the whatnaby government.
Well, it depends who's really the government.
The president was really running.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like, it's preposterous to think that America, the course of this country, which is decided 50 years in advance, 100 years in advance.
Like when we decide to go from the Atlantic to the Pacific, that wasn't a decision made for the president to look good in the next quarter.
That was a decision made for the course of this country for the next century.
Right?
So it's like you're making, there has to be some governing body that's making decisions for the next 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 years.
You can't make decisions four years at a time.
We, the people, think we do.
And we make cute little decisions four years at a time, right?
Trans bathrooms are regular.
Like all the little shit that doesn't really matter.
That they get us to argue about all this.
Yeah, nothing.
But the real decisions made, like where the fucking oil's coming from?
Are we moving from oil to electric?
Are we going to the moon?
Like the real shit.
Like what our geopolitical strategy is.
That isn't four years at a time.
Like I might be like, yo, really?
You better hope there's a big brother.
You think this fucking Corpse Biden is running shit?
You really think this 90-year-old man is running shit?
This is what he's having.
You're out of your mind.
This is what he's tapping into.
Yo, but think about it real quick.
He's tapping tonight.
I was watching you and I'm like, yo, like, and I'm like, maybe I do need to think about it.
Do a brainwashing with it.
It's not brainwashing.
Think about it like the music business.
It's no different.
If you take it at face value, you go, oh, I guess these artists are just popular.
And I guess, hey, you know what?
There's a video that has 4 million views and 40 comments.
I guess people didn't think like commenting today.
Or are there people puppeteering the business of it?
Okay, good.
So what if you know?
Say what?
So what if you know or aware that that's happening?
You're right.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so now you know what doesn't matter.
Now what?
I'm grateful for it.
People are upset at it.
Oh, there's this.
Are there actions?
Hold on, because I think that some of this thinking also fuels some of these like, like, you know, regimes to be like, yo, let's get, let's become like a little militia in case the government, the government come and try to take our guns or try to like, you know, oppress us.
Like retards.
What do you do with the information even if you know that they're controlling it all?
Assuming I'm upset that there's people controlling it.
Oh, so you're cool with it.
Yeah, it's just like not knowing.
It's like, who cares if it's not as long as it's our boys.
As long as it's the boys, we're good.
It should be the boys.
As long as it's America and not China.
Which probably isn't going to be the case.
We're talking proudly.
Or white boys.
I had to translate it for me.
We call the boys the army, like the military.
Okay, so it's America.
For example, World War II, we sent the boys out there.
So you're just talking on some patriotic shit.
Like, as long as we beating their ass and we're running this shit, hey, I know.
America first.
He's like, as long as it's just us, we don't give a fuck.
Son, I don't care what color they are.
If they wear the American flag, I don't care what gender.
It could be a big old training with dick and tits.
I don't give a fuck.
If the big old train of dick and tits is like, yo, we're taking out whoever's talking shit.
As long as we run this shit, I don't care.
That's it.
That's it.
So we fighting each other.
We fight each other like crazy over like what decisions get made with like the presidency and all the other shit.
Who give a fuck about other countries?
This is sometimes I hate it.
Ask the question you want to ask.
Don't preface it.
Ask it.
You care about other countries.
No, because I hate when they have no.
I hate when they have like presidential debates and they're like, yo, so what's your foreign policy?
I'm like, I don't give two fucks.
I never care.
Who gives a like, yo, what the fuck you gonna do over Egypt?
I don't give a fuck.
Who are gonna make me more money?
That's yo, listen.
That ain't got nothing to do with me.
Just make sure them motherfuckers don't fuck with us.
This is our foreign policy.
It ain't them fuck with us.
We're the ones who knock.
Yeah, we always be talking about it.
You know what I'm saying?
Don't fuck with us.
Like, we scared.
We pulling up and it's not Ikea.
We out here, bro.
We are out here.
Oh, my God.
You gotta look out for everything.
Hold on.
But is there ever even a thought?
And that's why I said I wouldn't even care about it.
Is there ever a thought that we would lose handle on control pretty much the fucking ask this cuck?
Yep.
This cup is pro-China.
Oh, you think China's finna run a shit?
Yeah, China's finna run shit.
China's gonna take a shit.
Can I tell y'all the real shit?
They're in all our books.
They know everything.
They know all our secrets.
Maybe that's why we can't fucking TikTok then.
I might be with you then.
Listen, if I was living in China, I would be on China's side.
Shout out to Jamaican.
I'm with whatever side I'm on Detroit, y'all.
I'm there.
You just got here, dog.
You just got here.
I'm on whoever's side.
That was the winner's side.
That's what I was saying.
You know, it's funny.
Is it like, it's good to be a winner.
This is what I agree.
China's going to take over, right?
And then, like, the whole hip-hop community, they've been called all these like crazy, like, white militia people like nuts.
They're going to be like, oh, we're going to go rock.
Oh, shit.
They were going to be.
We were the boys.
Where the fuck were y'all at?
We got the guys.
Get the boys.
Get the boys.
Get the boys, yo.
Get the boys.
Hey, listen, man.
Get the boys.
Right now, it's not focused on that right now.
You're not focused on that right now.
It's like Independence Day when the aliens came.
We all did that shit together.
Everybody's on the same team.
That's the thing.
When it's us against them, we are all us.
I can't see.
Now, you know, China is trying to make some moves, man.
And as they should.
Like, yo, you want to be number two your whole life?
Here's the thing about like China's doing what they should do.
Now, when I say that, I don't mean like slave camps and all that kind of stuff.
That's fucked up.
Like, don't treat people like shit.
But wanting to be number one?
I've had a fucking view of like China's power.
I'm only thinking that, yo, they just make everything, all the shirts that we got and hats and motherfucking TikTok.
You see my man John Cena apologizing in Mandarin?
Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
I saw when the basketball players speak up.
I was like, what the fuck is going on with this?
Yo, as like an American, isn't there a little part of you?
It's like, yo, hold up.
Why are we bending over?
Like seeing LeBron grab his ankles for China, that didn't make you feel comfortable a little bit.
Spread.
Spread.
But it's a power of the dollar, though.
It's just power of the dollar.
But I do think there's, it, it only goes so far.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're not controlling.
Like, we just want to tap into their market.
So we'll play nice to tap into their market.
But for them to get to the point where they're controlling.
Whoever pays you controls you.
Yep.
Yep.
Whoever pays you controls you because they control what you think, what you do, and how you act.
That's control.
If you can't have an opinion, they control you.
Whoever pays you controls you if you care about that payment.
So like what China did, which is brilliant, is they go, oh, Americans are the most greedy motherfuckers on the planet.
They'll literally do anything for money.
They'll sell out their own brothers for money.
We will do that shit.
It's sad, but we will sell out our own values.
We will sell out anything for money.
We are sluts.
Fucking whores.
And they came through with the big bank and they were like, hey, sluts, get that gluck gluck ready because your boy's coming through.
Right?
So we need to back, we need to chill off on that.
Like, yo.
Yeah, but if China about to take the shit over, like.
Not, not, not, not.
All right.
If they are, what the fuck could you do?
I do.
Nothing.
The boys do.
What the fuck could they do?
Nothing.
Yes.
Hey, bro.
Biden, hit that button.
You fuck my dad.
You fuck with Biden.
I think he's a nice guy.
I think he's a good guy.
Like, listen, I think we finally got a placeholder back up in office.
Exactly.
Get that motherfucker here.
You know, we ain't got to worry about him.
Cruise control.
We finally got to control.
Because he's not making none of the decisions.
Like, he's the perfect example of how the presidents don't make decisions.
And the reason why Trump was such a hostile environment is because he started making decisions.
And the powers that be were like, I knew Biden was a little pussy when, like, recently, after the, you know, the runner that smoked a little weed.
Yeah.
She's a little bud.
You know what I mean?
I know Trump.
I don't care if I claim Trump don't like black people.
Trump would have been like, fuck the Olympics.
Guaranteed.
You know what I mean?
At least he'll have a backbone.
This guy is just so bland.
He's like, well, the rules are the rules of the role.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
It just feels like he's just cruise control.
Trump As A Placeholder00:02:55
I was literally talking to my boy about that shit.
And I said the same thing.
Trump was like, weed's legal now in the Olympics.
Oh, you didn't know?
Oh, you didn't know?
We go to those Olympic O's with the peace.
Second of order.
Exactly.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, but like, we could tell Biden, he's just cooling.
You know what I mean?
And maybe the country needs that because I ain't gonna lie.
Trump did have his shit like too much.
Yo, it was entertainment, though.
But I'm not saying it was good for everybody, but that shit was classic.
It was classic.
Talk about Obama not pulling tracks and troops out of your rocking shit.
I don't care.
I want peace at home.
I don't care.
The temperatures are so much lower.
Like, everybody's chilling.
Nobody's crazy.
Nobody's upset about things.
And that's what you would want if you're the power of the world.
Isn't it crazy that people think that most issues are fixed when the president just ain't saying shit?
When he shuts the fuck up, it feels like everything's cool.
Well, that's being.
Like, oh, this is better.
Well, think about it.
Think about how it works.
Like, if the powers to be, I don't know who the fuck they are, don't ask me.
But if the powers of B are making those decisions or making decisions, right?
And the person that's in power.
I was watching Infowars.
I was watching.
This shit is, I kid you not.
This is like, yo, he said, like, Hillary Clinton and all these people, they're controlled by the counseling.
Like, it was a documentary.
He was walking in the streets.
It's like, it's right here behind these walls.
And I'm like, I'm going to start Googling the fucking thing.
I'm like, what the fuck?
They got this shit hidden in plain sight.
The fuck is going on?
I'm like, hold on, this bohemian girl.
What the fuck?
Yo, that shit is ridiculous.
If you jump into that world, you gotta be careful in that world because, like, this is the thing.
This is the crazy thing is that he lost me when he said he saw some sacrifice.
That shit was tweaking me up.
I don't, I don't, I don't put that ass motherfuckers.
I don't know.
Bro, that's Jamaica, right?
Aren't they sacrificing chickens?
Nah, goats, bro.
Go to goats.
You can eat that motherfucker anyway.
She is Haitian.
And another thing against why I hate Haitian people, but we're not sacrificing no animals.
We eat them.
That's what I'm saying.
We eat cows, we eat pigs.
But are you religious?
That's what halal is.
You sacrifice and eat.
I am.
Christian, right?
Yeah.
Christians know nothing about human sacrifice.
I'm not religious.
I'm going to be honest with you.
The older I've gotten, I've gotten more spiritual.
You know what I mean?
I'm referring to Jesus, bro.
No, I understand.
I understand.
Like, human sacrifice is baked into humanity.
Like, you go to the Aztecs, you go to anywhere.
You find these groups of people that's what fights humans.
The older I've gotten, I've realized that religion always served a place to help the government control the people or have them do whatever at their will.
If you were the government, wouldn't you enlist somebody with that much influence if you were the government?
Now, if you're religion, you are trying.
I always assume the best of people who are religious because the people I've come in contact that are religious.
Have you ever been religious?
Nah, my parents didn't raise me with any religion.
Satanic.
Human Sacrifice In Humanity00:07:31
Nah, that's what we call it.
That's what we call him.
I mean, I've seen this motherfucker.
How did you get like this?
Yeah, he was here.
Pray before a meal, not nothing.
Yeah, this dude is something else, man.
Not praying over your food makes you satanic.
What's up with you, man?
That's not Jamaica.
This guy is.
You fuck black.
We just not racist.
Was you racist?
No, I probably live a more or less religious life.
I guess I got that from Jordan Peterson.
He's this dude.
I asked him, I was like, you believe in God?
He goes, no, but I act as if a God exists.
I got into Jordan Peterson after watching Kevin Samuels.
Who's that?
Oh, Kevin Samuels.
He's the black Jordan Peterson.
Yeah, he's a black dude version of it.
Yo, yo, I know.
I watch all this internet shit.
And this is why, like, it's hard for me to really.
Can I tell you why I love black women so much, bro?
Please.
Because.
Talk about my queens.
Yo, black women are the best.
Oh, my God.
Because this is a social clip.
White women, if you hurt their feelings, they'll be hurt.
They won't snap back.
They might try to say that they're offended and cancel you or some shit like that.
Black women, if you hurt their feelings, they will break you.
It's like Kevin was Kevin was talking wild about these black chicks rating him or whatever.
Like that.
Black woman went back in his Facebook and found him looking super sus.
Best investigators of all time.
So they turned him gay.
Of course.
It was unbelievable.
It was a 24-hour period.
They're like, wait, you said who looked like a linebacker?
You are gay.
It was unbelievable.
They got him out of here.
Well, I mean, like, truth be told, though, I think that's what I'm saying in addressing.
But he's not really gay.
They've just trying to.
Man, I don't know what's going on, man.
No, bro.
I think he is.
No.
He got some tendencies in my life.
What kind of tendencies?
See what in good shape?
Black women, bro.
Black women, bro.
I'm telling you.
What's the On Dard telling you, brother?
All right, that's what I'm saying.
You have a retard, though.
Nah, he's a little sus.
He's a little zesty.
Yeah, zesty.
Perfect, perfect way to put it.
I could not say Eddie better.
He's a little bit.
Zesty.
Zesty.
He's a little flexible, you know.
You think he's feeling a little flexible?
No, no, I think it's something certain pitching.
Like, there's certain mannerisms.
We kind of get those.
But I'm going to be honest, though, I haven't done my full research.
Like, black women, they'll like I started getting that, for example.
Like, I used to get, like, I've criticized Nikki.
Nikki fans will turn me gay.
Like, I've thought, like, am I gay?
No, they're good.
They're good.
Like, you're thinking, like, what the fuck?
They'll think, yo, they will think, they'll be like, yo, academics likes pussy.
Boy, pussy.
Like, for real, like, and they'll come up with all this type of shit.
You're like, fuck.
Like, you see the evidence?
You're like, what was the evidence they had on you?
I need to know.
No, they would just take screenshots of, like, in this conversation, they'll take certain angles of just your hand, like, the way your lips are quivering.
Like, yo, just say, I dap it up with you.
Yo, just look in his eyes.
You can see all this.
I'm telling you, for real, for real.
Like, they'll create the shit.
So that's the only reason why I can't say it.
God bless you.
Because they're only coming up with like these artifacts.
I don't see him acting like that.
The only thing you can say is that I think it's an exhausting task to sit and argue with black women.
Like, that is exhausting.
So, if you really go through that, you gotta be careful.
Yo, yo, the mere fact that he does that, like, play this.
This is how black dudes handle black women.
And this is how we handle our queens.
You got it.
Like, you got it.
Two to three max back and forth.
You got it.
After that, you're going in the territory of her putting hands on you or some shit where the police are going to be called.
You should not do it.
No.
You get me?
Yo.
So, so when I see you going back and forth, and I'm like, you got it.
But this guy, yo, this guy got a lot of patience.
Oh, he likes arguing.
I've never met a dude that like arguing with females like that.
I mean, and also he'll be arguing about certain shit that's like you can't tell a female you know them better than themselves.
You know what I mean?
But that might be shtick.
So I can't write them off.
But a gay dude would say that.
A gay dude would say, I know women better than they know women.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to be honest with you.
I think it might be the opposite.
Okay.
I've seen people, like, for example, there's an influencer on Instagram called like Justin LeBoy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he writes captions that a lot of women think that women would say.
There's sometimes pandering to women.
Like, for example, I think with him, pandering to women probably gets him more pussy.
Oh, he's straight.
Yeah.
No, he is.
Yeah.
But if you ever, like, just.
I don't know him.
I don't.
I don't know who he is.
I just women are so shocked by him.
Yeah, yeah.
Because, and he's not doing nothing that Grand Wizard.
Graham Wizard posted a thing where Drewski responded.
He just said, shut up, man.
N-word to Justin LaBoy.
Yeah, mad people liked it.
Yo, here's the thing.
All he's doing is like he's listening to what black women say and saying, you're right.
I'm a man and I agree.
And he posted from a male perspective.
And you know how women argue.
If they could find one guy that agreed, he's the guy.
I told you I was fucking right.
You a piece of shit.
He agrees.
Why can't you be more like him?
Is he Derek Jacksoning it a little or what?
Well, until he gets found out and not just, bro, come on.
Not as much yet.
No, until he gets found out.
And that's what I'm saying.
With Kevin Samuels, he's super like he's super dismissive of women.
He puts them down.
Yeah.
But don't get his rejection.
Don't they ask for it in his defense?
Yeah.
Because a girl not a good defense they were asking for like that.
No, no, like they asked to be rated.
Like they like no, no, no.
He breaks them down.
Like they'll be like, hey, they call in, like, can you tell me?
They'll call in and say, hey, I want, you know, a man who's financially well off.
Yeah.
And he'll look at them and be like, you weigh 260.
You're 260.
Yo, you look like a fucking beach whale.
Like, yo, look at your face.
You got, like, look, you got three kids.
He pretty much belittles a lot of their self-esteem to supposedly ground them in their expectations.
Oh, he's saying he's doing it for their benefit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right, right.
What that might be, maybe, who knows?
Sometimes what people say on camera is not what they mean.
He might be the guy who's like simping, the guy who's like, you know, he doesn't treat and talk to women like that in his spare time.
Cause I've seen videos of him like just casualty around women.
He's not dealing with them like so authoritatively.
Like he's kind of very nice to them.
But on a show, the shtick is shitting on women.
Oh, it's like, yo, wait, you want, you want this type of guy?
You got two kids.
And there's you live in the projects.
Saving Money On Honey00:02:42
Look at wait.
And all these other dudes that are losers on the internet that are wrong, they don't got girls.
They want to see the money.
They want to see this guy basically shit on women who probably would then shit on them.
But they're like, okay, since I could never get a chance to shit on you, I'm watching him do it for you.
You're going to reject the girl that would reject me.
Yeah.
Yes.
I see.
It's more gay of the guy who's trying to get other men's approval by shitting on women.
No, I don't think he's getting.
Hold on.
It's a business strategy.
Hold on.
It's a business strategy.
Listen, Derek Jackson, I think at one point, once he started getting his first side chicken, he said, man, this cheating shit is kind of good.
Man, this little side bitch pussy is amazing.
First side chick?
Yeah, Oh, he got a lot?
Yeah.
Glorious fucking bitches the whole time.
I thought he's faithful, that guy.
Yo, hold on.
What's going on?
Yo, I don't know what.
Yo, wow, bro.
Yo, here's the thing with him.
Derek Jackson's cheating.
Yeah.
Bro, that shit is fucking.
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Derek Jackson is cheating out here?
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Hacked one time, and the hacker tweeted out like bad baby shit.
I was hacked.
Oh my gosh.
If you were hacked?
That was.
Who hacked you?
Grand Wizard?
Because that shit was terrible.
That hack was amazing.
And actually, that's how I got cool with Twitter because the person, I guess they realized that.
You sound like who hacked you?
Yeah, they got jokes, bro.
So that's the only one that stuck.
So that were tweeting out stuff like, yo, I love Drake's Pete's, all that type of weird stuff.
Nobody cares.
It's not that funny.
That bad baby shit?
Son.
What was it?
Bad Baby got mad titty.
Yo.
Y'all laughing about it.
Yo, y'all laughing about it, but that week, it was...
Sounds like you could say it, son.
It sounds like you could say it.
Like, usually when people, you know, usually when people hack, right?
They go for the gay shit immediately.
It's always the gay shit, right?
They did, though.
They did the gay shit.
That didn't slide.
Yo, they sent 20 tweets.
Bad baby got mad titties.
It was so believable that all the responses to it was like, yo, Ak is a wild boy for this fuck.
Yo, yo, here's.
Nobody was disagreeing.
They were like, nobody was like, this is disgusting.
Yo, here's the funny part about it, right?
That was a fake tweet.
That was a fake tweet.
Yeah, yeah.
But here's the funny thing.
But did she have mad titties for a 15?
I don't, yo, I can't even.
No, no, no.
Here's the thing.
I can't even cover her.
I can't even cover her because the titties are too big to cover her.
This is why Ruri could never mess.
This is why Ruri could never.
Who are you comparing, bro?
No, yo.
Yo, here's the funny thing, right?
So, Nikki fans, they'll bring that up.
Like, how could you remember you tweeted this out?
Who cares if it's fake, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nikki's actual husband is a sexual offender.
Like, yes, son, her brother is in jail.
You didn't see this?
Yeah, I forgot it.
That remnant.
Exactly.
But that's why I realized in jail, bro.
Yo, she was touching the kids at daycare.
Like, who was she?
No, he, he, he, he, yo, you're not on Twitch.
Yo.
Yo, here what I'm trying to say, though.
They will attack you with the same joke that the person that they're defending is 100% guilty of.
Yes.
They don't care.
You like kids?
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, hold up.
Hold up.
But now, after all the smoke is cleared and like we're just, everything's cool.
We're like, we regular, like, like, how much titties would you say that she has for a 15-year-old?
Are you mad?
I'm going to keep it real with you.
There's certain people in the entertainment industry.
Uh-huh.
You good.
You ever heard of Color Ray?
Yo, that was.
And Coleray's of age, her body looks underage to me.
I cannot look at her in a sexy.
She looked like one of the aliens who was serving coffee in men in black.
I said that to you.
Did you really?
I put a side-by-side on Twitch.
No, you did, man.
I did.
And I said, yo, Cola, I fuck with you.
But yo, yo, it was the BT joint where she was on the red carpet.
I literally put them side by side.
I said, Cola Ray, you look like one of the worms in Men in Black.
I fuck with you, though.
And you fuck with her heavy, like to the point where I'm like, are you getting paid?
No, no, why are you so attached to her?
Like, what is it?
Well, this is the thing that people don't get, and that's why me and Takashi work pretty good.
It's like, if you, if people, and that's why I was supposed to, if people talk about you negative or positive, I don't care.
I look at the comments.
If there's 2,000 comments every time I post you, we're going.
Oh, we post you all day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're posting all that.
If everybody loves you and there's three, 300 comments, we're not posting you.
I'm sorry.
So who the fuck am I posting?
Act is Drake.
Oh, Drake.
Agus Drake.
Drake Ademics, bro.
That's why you understood the greatness because you got it yourself.
You saw that little wave with Joe.
You're like, let me ride this little wave.
And then, when that's what about, you're like, let me find a next one.
We got Takashi.
I, yeah, I this new one, Coy La Ray.
Don't pimp about it.
That gets you to at least be honest.
Bad baby.
Yo, look.
Big ass waves.
Hold on.
And broadcasting.
I think Charlamagne and Joe are one A and one B. Stop.
Stop it.
You're being ridiculous.
No.
No, I'm saying talent.
I'm not told my competition.
Talent.
Not even.
Stop it.
Stop it ridiculous.
You don't think you're talented?
You're more talented for sure.
No, no.
No, I don't think he's talented.
He's a good person.
I don't.
You don't believe that.
You don't believe it.
I don't think that's what I'm saying.
Someone who dealt with words.
Steve, let's be real.
It'll be 20 years.
Stop it.
Someone who dealt with word for 20 years, whether it was rap, poetry, whatever you want to call it, and now is speaking for a living.
You don't think there is some talent there?
I used to be like, yo, the people, hold on.
I'm agreeing with you.
For people to be let down, they had to believe.
Most people would want to get people that high up a belief system.
There's two.
To sell them the dream, you got to be a master salesman.
You're selling the dream for that long.
There's two fans.
I think there's two fans for Joe.
You're bugging by saying he's not talented.
You're bugging by putting him on the same path as Charlamagne.
You're bugging.
In talent.
Yes.
Yes, nigga.
He's talented for sure.
He's talented, but he's like, they're all great talkers.
Charlamagne can be on Breakfast Club and then he could be on CNN and they both engage in conversations.
Like Joe can't do that.
Stop it.
Yeah, like Joe can operate.
Joe can operate in one space.
I remember once I was watching Sports Center randomly.
He was on Sports Center just sweating like a crackhead.
And I was like, oh, this guy can't operate out of his space.
No, he's a sweatshop because he wore fucking mink to the stupid ass, but it just didn't work.
It just didn't work for him.
But he can operate with his face.
But I just don't find him that.
I don't know.
I just don't find him that talented.
Once you see the facade from the outside, I was like, this guy creates gravity.
Like, oh my God, like, you have to give it up if someone creates gravity.
Like, my first attraction to Takashi was like, wow, this guy can create gravity.
And then I realized he actually had it.
Like, I go, oh, this guy's a super talent.
We had a discussion here about Takashi.
And I won't say who said what because I don't want to incriminate anybody.
If you want to say who said it, then Alex was cool.
Alice don't fuck with him.
No, no, no, no.
It's not Al.
Maybe it's not Akash.
I've talked to people all day who hate his guts, but we just have the time to.
I'll say this was what was said.
I don't know who said it, but we'll say it.
We were having a discussion with whether he was a like high IQ genius or whether he was so addicted to attention, he was willing to do whatever it took to get the attention.
And I'm not going to say who said what, but that's interesting.
That was my thought when you said that.
He's both.
Yeah.
I think he is super smart.
I think he is a high IQ.
Super smart.
And social intelligence through the roof.
Through the roof.
And I learned it.
He's one of the only people who, and that's what I was saying.
That's how he exposed the rap industry.
I think it's.
Don't go to.
No one would taunt Chicago on camera.
And even, even if you're going at nighttime, no one would go there.
He saw the shit.
He saw him put his life on the line in situation.
And I'll be like, why are you doing this?
Yeah.
Because he got nothing to lose.
But that's no, I think to me.
Okay.
The genius is not executing the plan.
The genius is understanding society and knowing exactly what to do in order to rise to the heights of entertainment.
But that's bunk.
What's that do?
Boonk something?
No.
It's the same shit.
No, Takashi stuff.
It wasn't.
It was.
Takashi didn't need beef.
Takashi could play soccer and motherfuckers be like, this guy's hilarious.
Takashi could run it in a fucking hotel room.
It'd be hilarious.
He also found his self-deprecation.
So he'd do this super beef and then he'd do comedy.
And I'm watching the comedy and I'm like, bro, cut the beef.
You're funny.
So if he was such a genius, like, why isn't shit popping right now?
Wouldn't he figure out a way to pivot transition to make shit pop?
The justification, at least for me, the justification for him was always numbers.
So it's, we're billboard, we're number one, the songs are popping, everything's killing it.
So he could always go back to that and be like, I'm doing bigger numbers than your favorite rappers.
The second he gets blackballed, he can't lean on the numbers.
Now that he can't lean on the numbers, they have something that they can attack him on, which is, yo, you're not doing sales anymore.
And he hasn't been able to navigate out of it.
No, hold on, I'm going to be honest.
I think Shoals 100% right.
He's one of those people, the reason why, and at one point, me and him were going to do a podcast.
Oh.
And get the fuck out of here.
Hold on.
Yo, here's the thing.
Discussing music, he is up there with anyone.
I could sit across.
I bet.
Because he's a nerd.
Numbers, he knows numbers better than me.
And if you think I know numbers, he knows.
If you ask him right now, what did Kanye sell in 2006?
He tells you to the exact.
I know it.
I knew it.
I knew it.
Like, yo, he would be like, yo, act.
Like, I know all the same shit you do.
Like, we argue all the time about it.
He knew everything precisely.
Precisely.
Navigating Blackballing Risks00:14:24
And please don't get me wrong.
I don't have anything against Takashi.
I just don't like.
Yeah, you do.
No, I just don't.
I don't like how he navigated after the whole criminal situation.
Yo, call it out, Mark.
Call out.
Can I explain?
Can I explain?
Yeah.
Because I did like him prior to that shit.
No, you didn't.
Yes, I did.
What are you talking about?
I was fucking with him up until that shit.
But you can't ride with niggas and then turn your back on him.
Anytime we would play with him, we're having fun.
Build the wall.
But I'm just saying, it's like, I just can't ride with a person like that because I'm a person on character.
It's like I ride with my niggas.
It's like we all, we ride together, we die together.
And that is how your boys fucked your girl.
Yeah, but we don't know what happened to make my boys fuck my girl.
Because if everybody's happy, your boys ain't fucking your girls.
I'm going to be honest.
Nah, nah.
This is a weird situation.
The deeper you get in that conversation of why he snitched, the more you have to almost adopt street principles.
Because the idea of not snitching is solely about street principles.
You get me?
Again, if you guys work together and you find out he's been fucking your fiancé and you thought he, I don't want to put it out here.
Going married this weekend, bro.
And listen, you guys were cool or you thought you were cool.
You would instantly say, that was never my friend.
Right.
Right?
In the streets, apparently, I've been told I'm not a street nigga.
If they fuck your baby mama, they shot at you, they kidnapped you, you either got to do it back or somehow handle it, but don't tell them.
It's weird.
Yes.
That's his point.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's what I'm saying.
To people who don't care about that element.
No, no, no.
It doesn't make sense.
But for people who do, it's difficult.
I'll say this.
For the street logic, the whole idea with the street shit, and this is not just like black gangs.
This is Russian mafia, Italian mafia.
It's just anybody who operates outside of the police, everything has to be handled outside the police.
Thank you.
Right?
So if I fuck hypothetically, if his girl gets fucked, he needs to keep that street shit and then handle however he wants to handle.
That's being said.
The way I, the caveat I create is I never believed he was part of the gang.
Okay.
I believe the whole shit was made up from the beginning.
And the fact that he just hired the gang like security.
And that's where I go into this other thing.
Because I felt that it was an understanding.
Yeah, there was one time he invited me somewhere in Brooklyn.
I don't even, I don't know, Brooklyn like that.
So he invited me somewhere, and it was where his childhood home was.
It was like still really messy this and third.
It was him and like his childhood friends.
What do you say?
And I remember.
Oh, I thought you said pussy.
No, Bushwick.
Wow, I remember kicking it with them and while kicking it with them.
And I was like, yo, all that shit we're seeing in Gumo and like all this blood, this, blood, that.
I'm like, bro, that's not you.
This is you.
You're super funny.
This and third.
And you know, this is going to backfire at some point.
And I remember he said, yo, hey, this is what I got to do right now to get out of here.
Yes.
I'm in it right now.
You feel me?
And I thought if I could see that on a few times of meeting with him, how could you be a whole gang that was around him every day that did that actually thought that he was not going to tell?
Stop it.
By the way, in hip-hop, in hip-hop, stop it, no, I'm serious.
You're capping for your boy.
I'm not capping for him at all.
I've talked to Shadi.
But I can also see that with Shadi in jail.
And hold on, I'm going to show you how fair I'm being.
Based on that, I then look at it as because they've also floated this theory about him.
And I'm always honest with me.
Even we've had that conversation.
I'm like, maybe he was manipulative then.
Because I talked to Shadi in jail.
We talked on the phone.
And I said, Did you think this wasn't going to happen?
And he said, I thought Boy was going to ride.
Yes.
And yes.
But everybody outside, everybody outside didn't say that.
Even though they smashed his girl?
Hold on.
Who smashed his girl?
Shodi?
No, man.
Why is that crazy to ask?
That's too much.
Why is that?
Hold on.
You don't get into those type of details.
Come on, man.
All right, whatever.
Go.
Sadly, we don't snitch.
Who smashed his girl?
It was supposed to be Shadi, right?
It was Shadi.
But who's good?
Listen, but here's the point.
I get to love Bush.
I love the Bush.
You know, I love the Bush.
You love the what?
I'm the bullshit.
Oh, are we bullshit?
No, no, no.
In terms of, of course, I will discuss anything.
I heard you tweeted.
She got mad titties for I hated her.
Really?
I hate that chick.
Why?
She didn't fuck you?
No, Honestly, because when he was locked up, and this is some of the blowback of 6ix9ine.
Yeah.
I think that's part of the reason Meek don't like me.
People start, they stop being able to separate us.
Yeah.
When he would pop up, that's why, even now, when he comments about Dirk stuff, I don't post it.
I don't repost every other blog repost what he says on my page.
I can't repost it on my own page.
You know why?
Because they're thinking me and him are huddled up in some room giggling and like, yo, send, send.
You know what I mean?
So let me ask you this: why is it that all these rappers that have million-dollar brands, as you say, which we believe that they understand and that they do, can separate their personal life from the gangster shit that they talk about.
But they cannot separate one, you from 6ix9ine or 6ix9ine from the gang shit.
A lot of them do.
Like, I think most of them that don't separate me from 6ix9ine, they hate 6ix9ine so much.
And they've always questioned themselves, why, if, because this was an orchestrated thing to get really like they start pressing people who are controlling DSPs, like, yo, you can't be a real nigga if you make him playlists and you got that dude on it.
Don't why are you putting his music on there with real niggas?
You know what I mean?
So it became a decision that you had to pick a side.
You get me?
So when everyone gave up on him and everyone said, all right, cool.
You know what?
Like, everyone, there's no one on the side.
There's no one riding for him.
So, okay, cool.
It's easy to go with everyone else.
When it came to me, I'm like, I'm gonna still post him and stuff.
So now they look at it to say, We've pretty much got rid of him from most presence in hip-hop, except you keep doing it.
So fuck you.
So, like with Meek, he thinks I'm gonna get rid of you, and that's the last remnants you can't.
You know what they're doing?
Those are the people that cancel.
That's what cancelers do.
I'm gonna get billion-dollar corporations to bend to my women.
I'm gonna get social media platforms.
I'm gonna get Spotify.
I'm gonna get all these to do what the fuck I want because I'm inconvenienced because I feel hurt.
Lo and behold, all these rappers talking about family.
When I got suspended from complics, I heard Meek Nose calling around giggling, hoping, like, really hoping, like, yo, they got him.
Like, imagine a rapper caring that much.
Like, yo, yo, did they fire him?
Yo, they got him?
Oh, yes, like you with Rory and Maul.
Nah, no, no, actually, no, no, I don't, I don't care if they succeed.
I just know when they got fired, bro.
Oh, yeah, of course.
I signed up for Twitch.
Oh, of course.
I had to.
I downloaded the app.
No, I had to.
Just because it proved it wasn't about them getting fucked up.
He's a school shooter.
No, it wasn't.
He's a school shooter.
No, no, no.
But that's why.
If Akasha was like, yo, y'all, y'all cracking jokes, this had third, and he's like, yo, yo, I'm not you the fuck out.
Like on some real shit.
Like, he's like, you know what I mean?
Like, done that many times.
Yeah.
No, but if he was like that, he's a school shooter.
If he was like that a couple of times and he's looking around the room like he's looking for like an AK-47 or like a fucking AR, motherfucker, hold up, man.
You might have to take a couple episodes off.
Akash, you tweak it, bro.
And you're also coming at this from the perspective of a guy who put a Hallmark card in front of your house.
Like, that's a little crazy.
That's when I would be done.
I'd be off.
So you have a different perspective, also how crazy you are.
And this is why this also, I'm kind of, I'm watching the train wreck or whatever it's going to end up being.
Like, if they do succeed, they could now talk to me on a level plain foot.
And I have no problem with it because I like to talk to people who built it themselves.
And even if they have a head start, sustain it.
When they sustain it, a year from now, if they want to say act, what up?
I say, what's cracking with you?
I think that's fair.
I'm not going to give you no credit before the wave that you're having amplified.
So you're looking at this.
This is interesting.
And if they're being honest, then they should respect this as well.
This is interesting, which is you were saying, yo, y'all were speaking about me as if you've built something by yourself.
They were criticizing the moves I made when I was in the position.
First of all, super green.
I didn't have someone like Joe who was an industry veteran, whether he was going to manipulate.
This hadn't third according to them, right?
I didn't have that person right there with me along the way.
I had to make these decisions.
They're criticizing me, like basically acting like I'm a bum.
But I had to do it on my own and get in these rooms on my own.
Y'all been assisted.
Yo, y'all been on this dude's back like a backpack.
And now y'all finally get to do it on your own.
So in a year from now, if y'all are still thriving and y'all say, yo, act, what's up, pussy?
I'd be like, now we could talk because y'all have sustained.
I think that's fair.
I think that's fair.
And that's what I was trying to say in the beginning, where it was just like, yo, they had the balls to go potentially fail.
A lot of people.
They were never going to fail.
But no, no.
A lot of six months of your year.
Like you said.
No, no, in the first month, it was like they can't still fail down the road.
My point is, if you are willing to take the risk, you're willing to take the risk of failure.
And that failure will happen in front of potential hundreds of thousands of people.
How many people listen to their podcast?
So I respect that.
I respect motherfuckers who are taking a risk.
I do not respect people who sit on the sidelines and they criticize.
There's a Teddy Roosevelt quote.
I don't know the whole shit, but someone could look it up.
But he got a great fucking quote about critics.
It's like, yo, be about it.
Do it.
Put yourself out there.
And honestly, if you put yourself out there and fail, I'm not even going to criticize you, bro.
I'm the type of person, like, when I pass you, like, I haven't mentioned Joe since I passed him.
I haven't mentioned him because there's no point in mentioning him.
It's not close.
He might have more.
No, no, You don't think so?
It's not close.
How do you?
It's not close.
Shoes, we got to be objective here.
We're objective.
Now, I'm going to be honest, I talked to Joey, and Joe's like, yo, listen, he got some good shit going on over there.
Like, I think people think he's down bad.
He's.
No, no, no.
I didn't say he's down bad, but we passed him before this whole thing happened.
It's just.
By the way, I think this is a great time to announce it.
I have a podcast coming, so I would.
Okay.
Oh, shit.
I'm jumping.
Where, where, where?
Huh?
Where?
Listen, it'll be coming a few places, man.
But I'm hopping in all these conversations.
And you know me, I'll be about to be happy.
So anybody who started.
Listen, I'm going to tell everybody now.
Are you recording it at WTF Media Studios?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No.
Come on, bro.
Come on.
I ain't going to lie to you.
I'm so petty.
I was like, I was about to ask you if you try to sell a studio.
I was going to buy it just to have control of that.
Don't stun on me.
Don't stun on me like that.
Yo, don't try to flex on me.
Don't see that.
I'm just trying to say no.
Notice me.
I'm going to say, like, offer it, boy.
What do you say to the podcast?
What do you start to podcast?
Next month, do you have a place that you're doing it?
I have my own place in Jersey.
You want to do it in Jersey?
We can set up.
I'm going to lie.
Y'all are out in the like.
No, no, no.
I'm five minutes from five minutes from Times Square.
Okay.
It's right outside Hollow Town.
Who goes to Times Square?
You are from Jersey.
No, that's the press run.
When artists come in, they go.
They're in that vicinity.
Artists come to where the heat is, bro.
I'm the heat.
Exactly.
So they're going to come to Jersey and come to wherever.
But I'm in Jersey.
Can I say this?
Can I say this?
Maybe we'll tell people.
We've been looking at new spots for a studio.
You know what I mean?
Maybe we need to create a little.
Maybe we need to create a little vibe.
You know, you take a floor, we'll take a floor.
And then we...
Nope.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
We got people after this motherfucker.
No, no, no.
Leave it to that, man.
I'll just say.
All right, we'll talk afterwards.
I like this.
Because you want to be in the city, you know what I mean?
You want to be able to be part of that press run or whatever.
You're trying to combine?
What's up?
Oh, no.
WTF Media Studio is not included in this.
I was going to say, as long as my name is in the credits of Rory and Mealy Mo's podcast, I'm strong.
Oh, my God.
Nah, no.
Come on.
Alex Media is always included in whatever I do.
But WTF Media Studios, I'm not asking you to move your studio.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He already has his space.
He's expanding.
We're expanding.
Oh, word.
Yeah, bro.
Second space.
That Rory and Maul money is good.
That's good money, bro.
I'm just saying.
The checks are going to be a little bit more.
What do they pay you, bro?
What do they pay you, bro?
That's KD money.
That's coming from KD.
That's coming to him.
And that's money they're getting now.
How do you think I'm going to survive in this podcast space?
And what's the dudes and the don'ts?
You don't got to ask me that, bro.
No, no, but podcaster is different.
He's good.
He's good.
I tell you this.
He's good.
If there's one thing that I will credit myself with, is I can tell when motherfuckers are shrewd operators in the game.
I picked it up early with that kid right there.
Mark, I picked it up early with that kid right there.
I picked it up early with that guy right there.
But we've been, you know, we've been buddies forever.
So like we probably didn't even know this about each other when we were starting comedy.
This guy over here, but you, Takashi, like there's certain people where I'm like, nope, this motherfucker knows exactly what he's doing.
If people keep on stumbling into the next great opportunity and you think is stumbling, they might have planned to walk that way.
No, no, I like the thought of stumble.
No, no, let people.
You don't want people to think you're stumbling, but we know.
By the time people figure it out, you got to be up so much.
It's like they can't get rid of you.
You know what I mean?
But of course, I like to just, you know, you're so far ahead of you.
You stumbled so far ahead.
You know, man, that's the thing.
Stumbling Into Greatness00:05:58
Like, the way that I handle, like, we've spoken way more about like Joe or anybody on this podcast than we've ever on our own podcast.
I think we gave him bars maybe once or twice on the whole thing.
We never really talked about people.
That was sub-dissing them, man.
I'm like, that's one thing with Twitter.
Really?
We did?
Nah, nah, nah.
The call him daddy shit.
Oh, I'm talking about this podcast.
On Brilliant Idiots, I killed them with Call him Daddy.
Yeah, but on this podcast, we don't really talk because they were talking about it.
No, I know.
But like on this one, I don't really talk about anybody.
But if there is, you know, if there is any energy that comes out negative, it's inspiration for me.
You know, it's just inspiration.
That's a tool.
Just knowing that that's there.
That's like, oh, that's a that's interesting.
That person feels that way.
And then I'm just going to surpass them.
And then once I surpass them, it's all just love, you know.
But it's always motivation.
I never really like operated with, you know, in terms of Takashi has with like using beef for value because you got to keep on using the beef for value.
Well, maybe not be for value, but I'm going to be honest, like through my like, you know, you know, career, I've always used out.
Like I never felt like people gave me the proper due.
And I was like, all right, cool.
I'll like instead, I'm never the person to say, yo, look at me.
Yo, didn't you see when I did this?
I'm like, all right, cool.
I'm going to just work harder.
Yes.
And at some point, like, I'm in a weird space now.
Like, even to hear you be like, yo, act.
And I've heard it from a few people, like, yo, you're one of the guys.
I don't even say me guys.
You're one of the guys in terms of the voice when it comes to hip-hop these days.
And I'm like, I don't like this praise.
Like, this is, this doesn't really tell me, yo, get the fuck back to work.
It's almost kind of like a, okay, you did it.
And I'm like, ah, I fuel myself so much off, you know, and I look for that.
Like on Twitter now, I love when they're like, yo, I hate this dude, or this dude is trash or whatever.
I need that to kind of fuel myself.
You got to make that adjustment too.
Because like, there's an adjustment that has to happen when you're on top.
And very few people know how to lead.
They know how to gain power.
They don't know how to lead.
Maybe you're not.
Maybe you are, but like, you're going to need to know how to prepare for that.
Like, it's like there's a million people in the world that know how to get to that position, right?
Million is still very few.
Maybe there's 10,000 people that know how to ascend to the highest ranks of whatever their industry is, but a fraction of them know how to lead there.
It's the same thing with like kingdoms and that kind of shit or presidencies.
It's like very few people know how to lead.
It's so easy to fight.
Like Trump didn't know how to lead.
Trump knew how to win.
Like he knew how to win a presidency, but he didn't know how to president.
He knew how to say everybody else ain't shit.
Like he didn't know how to bring people together and really lead them to something.
Once you're on top, that's the adjustment you gotta make.
It's hard to make that adjustment because if your whole life is fighting against motherfuckers, you don't know what to do when there's nobody fight against.
Because eventually you're gonna get in power.
And when you get in power, there's gonna be a moment where people look at you and they go, all right, what do you want to do?
And if in that moment, you still gonna induce fear, they're gonna go, I feel uncomfortable.
Somebody tell me, take them someplace, bro.
I'm gonna be honest with you in watching.
And I've always say, like, again, for me, just like you, like, I love giving up like proper respect.
And even, you know, whatever you might think about Joe, like, he was, he was a part of my ascension or wherever I went to.
And I always show respect.
That's, I always, like, I'm never the person who's, you know what I mean, just kind of negative about whatever.
And I look at Charlamagne and I've watched his career.
Like, you know, he's been such a great person to me.
Like, man, one of the great things I ever did when I met him, like, I never asked him for shit.
Only for him to have like that line of communication open that he could tell me what I'm doing wrong or just kind of lead me.
And watching how he's gotten to this level and the mistakes he's made and him realizing the mistakes and pivoting and doing everything and just seeing where he's gotten one of the things.
I don't know how I'm going to get it, but he's someone who I think he's helped put other people, other talents on, but he's brought people together.
Yeah, he don't need to.
And I look at it, I'm like, damn, my shit's a lot of chaos right now.
I'm like, will I get to that point?
And I'm like, maybe I'm in that chaotic part of my career because, like, I feel like I'm fighting for a space.
Yes, but war that's a fair.
Once I'm there, maybe, maybe I'll get to that point where I'm like, all right, cool.
Now let's, everybody, let's go.
You know what I mean?
Son, you win the war, and then you need to know how to lead during times of peace.
And leading during times of peace is harder because motherfuckers complain about everything.
When we're at war, everybody's on the same team.
What we were just saying, like, if aliens come invade, we're going to call China.
We're going to call Russia.
Like, in every single movie, we'll be like, yo, are we all humans?
Yeah.
All right, let's fuck these green motherfuckers up, right?
Like, everybody's on the same page.
But times of peace is when we get ornery, right?
We get uncomfortable.
We complain about everything.
Oh, this bathroom isn't what I like.
Oh, look how people are dressing.
This pronoun doesn't fit me.
There's all this bullshit that we got to complain about.
And leading during those times where everybody got it good.
And you're also the same leader that was like, you know, the fucking war I had to go through to get here, motherfucker.
And you're complaining about bathrooms.
You know how many people I had to beef with.
You know how many people I had to punch in the fucking mouth?
It takes a unique individual to go from that to that.
Like, Rogan is that.
If you want to give Rogan credit for anything, it's his ascension.
Going from Carlos Mancia's steals, and I'll walk up on stage and call that motherfucker out stealing jokes to where he is now, like putting people on, kingmaking.
Like, if you want to give him credit for one specific thing, the transition between ascension to power and like benevolent dictator with power, like giving it out and trying to give people the voices they deserve, that's rare.
Because most people hold on to power tight.
You seen that bitch, Rachel Nichols, whatever, the ESPN chick.
Being Part Of The Conversation00:09:01
Like, they tried to let the black girl, Maria Taylor.
Yeah, she tightened it.
She was like, she's taking my job.
Oh, I thought you were about diversity.
Everybody's about diversity until the diversity comes for them.
Like, all these white chicks are about diversity in the office.
And then a black woman comes around and it's like, well, we don't need to be that diverse.
This one's pandering, man.
I hate what McLemore was like, no, just give it a Kendrick.
Like, so pussy.
It's like, the only way to talk about it is like, yo, just basically say, I'm not shit, and I'm only here to upload.
And I'm like, yo, in reality, and I heard just, I heard someone say that recently, like, yo, you don't have to be like racist to be like, yo, yo, say you're a white.
I'd be like, yo, I like being white.
If you say, I like that.
If you say, I like being white, you can't say that.
I know.
You can say you like being.
There's a discussion.
I can say I like being black.
I like being Jamaican.
Nah, because black is a culture.
White is not a culture.
That's the distinction.
Like, white people, black people don't know where they're from, a lot of them.
You know where you're from.
You're Jamaican.
But like a lot of black Americans don't know where they're from.
So they can't say, I like being Congolese because they don't even know what the fuck being Congolese means.
That's taken from them.
White people know where we're from.
I can say I like being Scottish.
White people can say, I like being Irish.
He could say, I like being French.
You could say you like being your culture, but you can't say you like just having your white skin, even though that shit is lit.
Oh boy.
Sometimes I be walking out of stores without paying for shit and people just let me, bro.
You know how dope that is?
You've never done that.
Sometimes I'm not.
No, no, no, no, but I forget.
I just forget to pay and I got to walk back in like, yo, y'all even charge me?
That's lit.
I got to walk back.
Oh, you know, you never did that.
Yo, you have to like grab a girl's bag as like a joke.
You ever done that before?
Yeah, on the train, but you give it back to her.
I'm just like, I'm just playing.
Give me some advice real quick.
Yeah, yeah.
On a podcast.
Yeah.
B-White.
Yeah, I can't do that one.
Sammy Social tried.
I don't know if it worked for me.
Yo, why haven't you signed?
Like to like a, I don't know.
I didn't get $60 million offer yet.
Did they come with 30?
No.
Well, 30 for how long?
Three years?
No.
Depends.
I don't know.
I got to talk to these guys.
I started to kind of feel like waving a flag of independence, not just to be independent, but to operate like how y'all have been.
Super organic, non-like, hey, this person's policing us.
I think it's worked for y'all.
And I look at that and I'm like, is there ever a price for that?
Yeah, Netflix paid it.
Yeah, but you're still you.
No, no, no, no.
They didn't pay it in that regard.
I understand what you're saying.
And like, my whole thing with independence has always been like, I want us to be able to say what we want to say, make the jokes we want to make, have the opinions that we want to have.
The only way you could do that is if you're not tied to a network that is at the liberty of your opinions.
Like if you're, let's say, for example, like Netflix, right?
Or HBO or Amazon.
Like, you know, Amazon, the majority of their business is selling probably home goods, you know, paper towels, food, that kind of stuff.
So if they're promoting something that is spicy content, they got to be concerned because they don't want to fuck up the main bag, right?
Netflix, same thing.
They might have to be a little bit concerned.
So the same thing with Apple.
You know, like, I don't think Apple is going to put out anything that's like R-rated or anything like that.
They want to sell headphones.
You have to be concerned with these types of things.
So I understand where the business has come from.
So I need to make myself big enough.
We need to make this podcast big.
And when it comes to stand-up, I'm thinking about myself in the podcast.
We need to make ourselves big enough where it's worth the risk.
Chappelle can say whatever he wants on a podcast because he's worth the risk.
Yeah, I asked because I feel like for Rogan, he was on the same path, but like there was always a price.
$100 million, I'm out.
Oh, that's why I ask you.
I'm like, is there like a certain amount you're like, I'm out.
Well, I think it's way more than 100 million, but I won't speak on his numbers, but way more.
Well, I don't know.
Rumored 100 a year, but whatever.
And this shows how dope he is that they put the number that was way less than it was.
And he was like, yeah, that's it.
It's no eagle, man.
It is a superb.
Here's ego.
So here's what I would say about the money.
This is what the money allows you to do is like the money, there's a, there's a, not only financial freedom, but there's like a freedom of your mind.
Like you're able to like tap out of the thing that I'm sure we go through every single day, which is like looking, all right, how many comments?
2,000 or 2,000 comments on a post?
Okay.
Like once you get that guaranteed check, what are they paying for?
You're already making that money.
Like you could make that money without them.
That's fine.
But they're paying for your comfort.
They're paying for you to go, I'm going to post it because I want to post it.
If it doesn't have it, it doesn't have it.
Like you pay for me to post the shit I want to post.
So I think there's a little bit of that that goes into it.
But in terms of like my whole thing as far as like independence goes, it gives me the most leverage when it comes to negotiating with these corporations and it allows me to say what I want to say.
So if I want to do a deal with Netflix, if I want to do a deal with Amazon, if I want to do a deal with Spotify, they know that I don't need them.
So now we're coming to the table and we can have a real negotiation instead of a, this is the check, whether you like it or not, that's what you're getting paid.
Well, you talked about raising the independent flag, it's actually the best sales technique because it lets everybody else know the price is way higher than you think.
The second you say I'm not for sale, the price is really high if you want to buy me.
It doesn't mean I'm never for sale.
People know that.
There's an amount of money for everyone.
But the price goes way up when you say I'm not for sale.
If you say, hey, I'm fielding offers, oh, all right, I'll come in pretty low.
But when you say I'm independent, motherfuckers are like, man, if we want this guy, we got to go over it.
It's like a house now on the market, right?
Exactly.
So, it's like, I mean, if I was going to do a movie, if I was going to do a TV show or those type of things, and they weren't going to let me film the podcast, I would say, this is how much I'm losing.
Do you want to pay me that much?
And then they would have to make that decision because you have to pay me for the job and you have to pay me for what I'm losing.
Yeah.
So, the same thing goes for if we were to go to Spotify or if we were going to go to Apple, we were going to go to wherever the fuck we go.
If they make some crazy offer, and that's something that we want.
The biggest issue with that for me is not really the money.
The biggest issue is I like being part of the conversation.
I like having this podcast.
Like, this podcast is going to stir some stuff up.
It's going to be fun.
We've been talking for four fucking hours.
I love it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, this is going to be like a normal stream for me, man.
That's nothing for you.
But we talk.
That's part of the talent I'm noticing, though.
First of all, you talk this whole time.
You don't look tired.
Second of all, no pea breaks.
Blow my fucking mind.
The p-break thing.
Four and a half hours, dog.
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm a major.
Point is like, is like for me, like, I love being part of the conversation.
And, but then again, I might get to a certain age where I go.
I just want to have the conversations I want to have.
And that there is a, you know, a tap-out price or that kind of stuff like that.
But the only reason that you're able to get that is if you establish what you're willing to say or not say.
And the way you establish what you're willing to say is by being independent enough to actually say it.
There's a lot of people who like we know who are not themselves on media.
And then the second they get off the media, they're like some wild ass boys.
And we're like, oh, where is this?
Oh, you can't be like that.
So you have nothing to lose.
People know who Ack is.
They're not going to find out who Ack is from a podcast.
You can act exactly how you act on a stream.
The great thing, and as I'm like hopping into the podcast space, is like, I feel like, and this was one of the greatest, I always tell people, I'm like, listen, I took the Jay-Z approach.
Even sometimes people think I don't like Jay-Z.
I'm like, listen, they want to sign Jay.
Jay made his own record label.
I was trying to get on radio.
I kept hearing from everybody, you got to go intern to center.
I just made my own platform.
And now I'm so just tied into the conversation.
I don't ever really have to worry about, okay, like, and I think that's where, like, you know, in terms of say, I'm going to sign a deal or something like that.
It's like, I look at it like this.
I've never done a podcast before.
I do all these other things.
If I could still do all those other things and do a podcast, do I not still affect the conversation?
Now, if it was at the, if it was like, hey, you're doing this, you can't post on Instagram.
You're not on Twitch.
You're not, you're only behind this paywall.
Yeah.
I think I'll be fucked.
Yes.
100%.
But I feel like as long as I'm on Twitch, as long as I'm able to do my YouTube videos.
You're still dropping this shit on IG all the time.
Of course.
I feel like, and you're relevant without the podcast right now.
Yeah.
And that's what I, in me hoping to hop into the space, that's what I'm trying to see what's going to happen.
I haven't even started the podcast.
You think about selling it.
This guy, man.
Where do you want to go?
Listen, man.
Who do you want to sell out to?
Listen.
He's got a plan out.
Hey, listen, listen.
Only things I'm just trying because who's the podcast with?
I don't know what's going on.
Is it going to be another person?
Is it going to be another person all day?
Relevance Without A Podcast00:15:32
No, no, no.
It's going to be just you.
It's going to be me rotating, yes.
And rotating, yes.
Okay, great.
Me rotating guests and also like, you know, special guests in terms of like celebrities and shit like that.
Right.
But I'm not trying to get Ruri and mealy mold.
You know what I mean?
Like, all of a sudden, I built two dudes up.
They start crying online, said I robbed them.
And everyone hates me.
Not bad.
I'm good.
And then with Alex over there.
You feel me?
Now let that happen.
Act, I like your ascension.
I like how you built your own tribe.
But the way you've done it, you've kind of not been like an industry darling.
Like, do you feel isolated from your peers?
Like, you know how Charlemagne celebrated.
I don't see you celebrated by the industry.
Does that bother you?
If it bothers me, I think it fuels me.
That might be a sign of bothering.
I guess it bothers me and it fuels me.
I think that'll change.
I think, again, to your Perez Hilton point, it was new media.
Never seen before.
Eventually, it will become the norm.
Exactly.
And then you're like, I looked at, I looked at, like, notice, well, I guess I'm going to disrespect them.
Fucking the source.
They took something from my Twitch.
They just fucking clickbaited.
It was like really a poor article they wrote up saying, I hate Meg the Stallion because she's a black woman.
Right.
Like, just kind of throw it out there with a clickbait.
Like, yo, kill him.
You know what I mean?
And I looked at him.
How old is Meg, by the way?
She's her 20s.
I think she's been like 23, 24.
23.
Mad titties in 23.
But I look at that whole thing.
That's a fact, though.
That's a fact.
Yo, I've never met.
I think Meg probably thinks I hate him.
But wait, why do people say you hate her?
All right.
Do you like her?
I do like Meg.
Do you think she's a good rapper?
Yes, I do.
Do you think she has mad titties?
I will not comment about that because I don't want that to be a headline.
No, no, no.
I don't even look at Meg sexually.
I'm going to be honest with you.
Really?
I don't.
Height?
I think Mega chokes like me.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
People think I don't like Meg because I give objective criticisms about women.
And this is where it goes back to even the Coke Wild Hill and Judge Joe Brown thing.
They want me to say Meg is phenomenal.
And I said, listen, I don't like Nikki.
Nikki husband trying to kill me, whatever the case is, but Nikki is a very superb talent in hip-hop.
I mean, she can.
And that's bad, bro.
And if we're graded on that scale, just like we grade Drake on the scale of Jay, I don't think Meg is near Nikki.
You know what they say?
I hate black women.
Because of the narrative around Meg currently, you need to just agree.
Yes.
And because I'm not agreeing, it feels like I'm anti-black woman.
And I realize it's just horrible.
Do you think Tori shot her?
I'm going to be honest with you.
And Tori's my guy.
And I've never talked to Meg, but this is what I think happened.
Okay, hit it.
I think there was an argument.
I think somehow a gun got pulled out.
I don't know if Tori did it or Tori had the gun in his hand.
I don't think, just based on her wounds, I don't think she was shot directly.
The bullet ricocheted hit her, but it was at the result of an issue she had with Tori Lane's that happened.
There was two other people that the news never mentioned in that story.
And I'm always shocked.
And I speak to Tori a lot.
And he never says really what allegedly happened, but he always says, act, I am innocent.
Like he swears up and down.
But you know, I'm still not going to be the sublime dick rider.
So I'm going to be like, hey, I do think she got hit with a bullet.
Not that I got shot at her.
I believe the gun accidentally discharged, hit the ground.
The bullet then hit her, which still, you could technically claim you got shot.
I think that's why Tori's going so hard because maybe he wasn't the one with the gun.
Or maybe he's arguing the semantics.
I think a lot of this is the semantics.
Maybe he's like, I didn't shoot you.
Yeah, the gun shot.
But that wasn't my intention.
Yeah.
I shot at your feet and then it happened to Richard Shade.
This is the same thing.
It's like when you spill your coffee and it goes on your friend.
Yo, this shit happened 15 months ago.
Like, why the fuck is like what?
Like, why don't you throw your coffee at your friend's feet and then stumble and drops get on him?
So here's the thing.
What Tori has done is the most impressive run I've ever seen in an artist.
The guy got accused of shooting a human being.
A woman.
A black woman.
Keep in mind, he was coming off a high quarantine rate.
Was pulling 300,000 people.
Yeah, which he stole from us, but that's fine.
What?
Gets on.
No, whoa, way, way.
Of course.
Quarantine radio, Tori Pilford.
Of course, bro.
From the Flagrant Boys?
Yo, we did.
We did.
Corona's got a lot of people.
We were doing Corona's got talent.
And all of a sudden, quarantine radio popped off.
He killed it.
Don't get me wrong.
He killed it, but that's us.
That's not the first time Tori has nipped a little something.
Tori might have someone in the crew.
Bro, you're fucking soldier boying it right now.
I love him.
Fuck it, man.
He's soldier boy.
You're the first.
The first, bro.
But I think what he's done is so fucking impressive.
Like, you have the accusation of shooting a black woman, and then he just releases non-stop music non-stop on Instagram.
Like, I'm having fun.
Like, he hasn't not smiled in 15 months.
Like, all he's been doing is enjoying himself for 15.
I'm on a boat.
I'm making a music video.
I'm on a roof.
But it's one of those things you got to laugh that you don't cry because he is blackballed.
You've heard nothing on the charts.
He dropped a song with the baby.
Yeah, yeah.
Brilliant video.
Did 10 million in a week.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Didn't chart.
Didn't chart.
Number one on YouTube, right?
Yeah, number one on YouTube.
Trending all the time.
Didn't chart.
So he's doing one of these things where he's like, I'm going to pretend that optics-wise, it looks like he's great.
Yes.
I'm pretending why this shit is happening.
They have eradicated him.
I've talked to him, though.
The great thing about him, he's like, yo, listen, I'm not going to.
And I think this is where 6ix9ine is at right now.
6ix9ine is like, yo, fuck.
I'm a numbers guy.
I love talking with my numbers and y'all blackballing me.
Like, this is discouraged me.
Wow, Tori Lane's.
I talked to him and he's like, this has encouraged me.
I'm going harder.
And I'm going to act like nothing's going on.
And I'm having blackboards.
That is brilliant.
And didn't Tori buy back his masters?
Like, isn't he independent now?
Yeah, he's independent.
So it's like, even if he doesn't sell crazy numbers, he's still making money.
Of course, he's still making money.
But like, someone like Tori, when he came in the game, he went out to Drink.
He wants to get to the top.
He doesn't just want to be in the cop or like in the mix.
He wants to be at the top.
You can't be in the top if the DSPs, and we're realizing what true blackballing is.
But who is the mafia that can do that?
Like, what?
Who can blackball you?
Who can get you out of here?
But who are they?
Like, who is this group of people that just goes, Tori's blackballed?
They're like a news network in a sense.
They're like Mark Lamont Hill in a sense.
They're looking at the audience to say, wait, the consensus is y'all don't fuck with Tori.
All right, cool.
We don't want to piss you off more by suggesting you Tori's music to listen to.
Take him off all playlists.
And who is the person that gets to make that decision?
Yeah, like name a name.
Who's somebody in the map?
Who are these incredibly powerful people that are the gatekeepers of fame and fortune?
I'm going to be honest, I would think whoever is looking at the optics or bottom line for Spotify.
Did you just say the Jews?
No, no, but are there like a group of people?
Is there a conglomerate?
Is there somebody else?
The person who controls the biggest playlist, like 25 million people on Spotify, is my man Carl Cherry, right?
And Cherry?
Yeah, yeah.
And I've even asked him, I'm like, yo, what's up?
Like, why don't you?
And I think it's, I think it's bigger than him.
It's bigger than him.
It has to be bigger than him.
Yeah, it's just like Top.
He's the guy.
He creates one of the best playlists, but I think it's almost something that is like, yo, hey, listen, company-wide, if we're supporting these motherfuckers, and by the way, they tried it before, but they didn't do it right.
They said anyone who had cases of violence towards women and like really indecent shit, take them all off.
So they took off Chris Brown, R. Kelly, Michael Jackson.
Here's the thing: people love him to Michael Jackson.
You can't do this brown.
So people got mad, like, boy, yo, chill.
So, really, what they were trying to get at was like XXX because his girl had a picture with like a super black eye, right?
And everyone's like, no, get him off.
But they made a blanket rule.
Yeah.
So the blanket rule hit all-time people.
Then people are like, wait, Tupac had a rape case.
Like, whoa, you're taking on my pac.
So, what's happened now?
The DSPs could be like, Yo, uh, what's the consensus about Andrew?
Y'all don't fuck with him?
90% don't fuck with him?
I just get him out of here.
Smart, you can't do it as a whole.
You can't be like, Yo, all comics that do blah, But if you do a one-off where you kind of know the consensus, it works.
Yeah, and this is the interesting thing with algorithmic playlisting.
But everything's algorithmic.
Yes, yeah, but like, this is what's interesting about the algorithm: is that before when you would like search for music on Apple Music or something like that, you're searching song by song.
They didn't just pop up another shit that happened right afterwards.
Now it's we're gonna play music based on the characteristics of this song.
So, other people that listen to this song also listen to this other one, right?
But if we find out that every time we play a Chris Brown song, we get complaints at the Spotify headquarters because, like, why would you suggest this man who's beating a woman, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, we don't want that smoke.
We'll just not suggest them.
Interesting, interesting, interesting.
But that happens everywhere, though.
But here's where it's interesting: there's immense power within the algorithm because if that's the new way we listen to music, it's not I'm going to listen song by song, choose, choose.
I'm just going to let the algorithm decide what comes next.
If that is the way we listen to music, that's the new radio, if you will, like you were saying before.
And there's a person that's in control of the radio saying, This guy doesn't get radio play.
That's the new band from radio.
That's you are done.
So, who is you?
Who is the person that's making that decision?
Twitter, like every app wants to keep you on the app.
Yeah, that's the thing, right?
So, like, we don't want you to just come for one thing, then leave, right?
Yeah, so Twitter might be like, Hey, but you just skip the song, it's not a big deal.
Like, they don't want sketch, they don't want skips, they want you to be a zombie, like, hey, just hit play.
It's just a cruise control experience.
Oh, it's like it's like Instagram, it's personal.
Now, this is Instagram shadow bans people all the time, but but here's the thing: this is my pushback when it comes to that kind of stuff: is that on YouTube is getting 10 million plays, so that means there are people that are enjoying the songs, they're enjoying the music, so there has to be something personal going on here.
There has to be a human being, I'm gonna keep it true with you: the 10 million, it might not be 10.
Told you, really, some bots waving out, Andrew, you said it's a who?
How many bots you think, bro?
Hey, listen, listen.
All I'm saying is that if y'all try to blackball me everywhere, I would want people to feel like, no, the people still fuck with me and make at least one outlet look.
This shit is chess.
Yep.
So, you know what's crazy is that for a moment in time, the music industry, which has been like inherently mafia running.
By mafia, I don't just mean Italian mafia, I mean like controlled by like a select group of people.
They've controlled who becomes famous, right?
So control for it still is, but for a brief moment in time while we were alive, there was justice.
Like, there was a SoundCloud period within music that might never ever happen again.
And it only happened because of the changing the guard because the internet causes chaos, it causes disruption.
And musicians popped out that the people wanted that had no push from these record labels.
It was justice in music for a moment, and that's fucking gone now.
And it sucks, but how cool is it to be around that time?
It was a fleeting moment.
And you know how the music industry treated that like the new piracy of how they were going to handle it.
And the way they were going to handle it is that whatever new system or app that comes up with Discovery, whether it's SoundCloud or TikTok, the thing with SoundCloud, they fucked up because they're a music streaming app.
So their revenue has to be from streaming music.
TikTok, they're just a content app.
Music just happens to be the background, whatever, right?
What the music industry did, they said, hey, well, we own all the rights, so the shit you're playing.
We're going to sue the shit out of you unless you figure it out with us.
And what most people did, SoundCloud did it.
That's why they're relevant.
SoundCloud is owned partially.
And by the way, Spotify did it too.
Spotify is owned partially by the record labels.
Ah, so now, hey, listen, we own the shit that y'all claim y'all finding new arts.
Oh, you're finding new arts on Spotify?
Adorable.
Exactly.
It's all good.
You know what I mean?
So it's like they.
So did that time ever really exist?
Where?
No, no, they never did.
They used the leverage of their catalog.
And you could go back and see the articles.
They're like, yo, SoundCloud, you have on till this day to strike a deal with us, or we're going to remove all of our catalog from your site.
And SoundCloud, they were feeling the pressure.
They're like, hey, well, could we pay for an extension?
So they use doodles small sums of money.
But the industry is looking like, we want billions of dollars.
That's happening on Twitch.
They happened on Twitch.
Amazon Music has a deal with the labels.
But Twitch, they're like, wait, wait, wait.
So you just had a dude with 100,000 people play our song that could have been 100,000 streams.
And he played it like five times.
That's half a million.
Then he played a bunch of other songs and we owned a catalog to all that shit.
How much money are we getting robbed for?
So what Twitch is trying to do is they're trying to negotiate, but they're trying to negotiate like how TikTok did.
The way TikTok did, they did it smart.
TikTok showed, hey, we're not just stealing from y'all.
We help y'all because we make this shit popular.
Yeah, yeah.
So whatever price you were going to say we have to license, you should probably give us some low balls.
You should pay us.
We're making your song hot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm with that.
So now it's probably a favorable thing.
Like, hey, you know what?
We'll give you like a couple of seats on the board and some ownership if we pay almost nothing.
That's smart.
And that's smart.
And Twitch is there right now where Amazon is like, listen, we own you and everything, but we got our own deal.
Y'all figure out what y'all got to go do.
Or y'all got to stop playing the music because it's a weird spot.
So they leverage shit in a very smart way.
And that's why the music industry won't ever go away.
It's almost impressive how quickly they got back their stranglehold on music.
I mean, there was like a five-year gap where they lost it.
They sat down, they figured it out.
The same power players adjusted and then immediately got back complete and total control.
Mafia, dude, it's fucking impressive.
You need to find out who they are because I bet you it's 10 people.
I bet you it's less than 10.
I mean, I know a couple names, but I won't mention them.
I like what I do.
Music Industry Stranglehold00:03:02
But in every industry, though, like, if there's an industry already generating billions, you don't let new discovery or a new app come and topple you.
Or if you do, you sell before.
You become MySpace.
All right, take it.
Let me cash out.
You get me?
But if you're the music industry, you own the catalog.
Could you imagine conversations you're having with people to be like, yo, you want to fuck with us?
You'll never hear Drake on this fucking app again.
We own Drake's catalog.
You'll never fucking hear Drake.
We'll never hear the weekend either.
That's a lot of leverage, dude.
That's a fucking leverage.
And they use it well and they use it to kind of get their power back.
And I got to give them credit.
It's diabolical, but you got to give them credit.
It's like the evil genius is.
The film industry did it better.
How'd they do it?
The film industry, when pirates started happening, like the things they did to pretty much still convince the consumer, because even with what we're saying about music, people still feel like they don't, or they shouldn't have to pay for music.
The music industry just adopted to the consumer's lack of wanting to pay to say, we'll allow you to stream and we'll monetize that some way.
Right?
The film industry, they didn't say, hey, watch all the movies for free and we'll figure out how to make the income.
That's what the music industry did.
So that's what I'm saying.
The film industry did it better.
Because they never got to this point.
They're still struggling, bro.
Yeah.
Well, they're doing it now with, hey, if you get HBO Max, we'll just put the movie up there in three weeks.
Watch it at home studios are Hollywood, though.
Hollywood is, this is what happened.
The reason why Hollywood bends over for China is because they can't sell DVDs no more.
So DVDs were big business now.
Sell them shit in China.
No, but half of the big box office for those movies is Chinese ladies sell them to us.
Yeah, right?
No, but like we need, we need they need to make up their money for in foreign sales.
So and the move and the movies that make money overseas are like action movies.
That's why I like Fast and Furious.
That's big money over there, right?
Like a comedy is not big money.
They don't understand English.
They're not going to get the cultural nuances of comedy.
That's why Netflix, part of why Netflix signed Adam Sandler to such a big deal is because in China, they just love him.
Because Netflix and China.
They don't have Netflix in China.
Well, oh, maybe whoever told me that's an asshole.
Yeah, bro.
You think they're going to let us infiltrate them with our fun cults?
No, but there are American comedians that are like physical comedians that do translate.
Europe overseas, he's big.
And they just crunch the numbers.
They literally crunch the numbers all the time.
Remember House of Cards, that Kevin Spacey shit?
They found out that people love Kevin Spacey and then they loved, who was it?
David Fincher is the director or something like that?
Of House of Cards.
For the first one.
For the first time, they have this big director.
They're like, oh, yeah, people love their movies.
And then they have this actor.
Oh, they love him.
And they're literally just like, why don't you guys do something together?
Our fans love it.
Everything's data-driven over there.
Yeah.
Adam Sandler's movie Murder Mystery is the same thing.
Oh, yeah.
People love murder mysteries.
They love Adam Sandler.
Make a murder mystery movie, comedy.
Crunching The Numbers00:03:35
Fun time.
I wonder if it reduces the creativity that we see on these platforms once everything becomes algorithmic.
When you come to them with like some unique idea that's never been proven before, so there's no data to prove it works.
And then they're like, we just do things that work over here.
Like proved to us that it's going to be more so, right?
Like, I remember even like the Honda of 3000 song could be another fake story I heard.
But I heard a lot of fake shit.
I heard, hey, yeah, he wanted to put out for years.
That's my news source.
No, but I heard hey yeah, you want to put out for years.
And everybody's like, I don't, I don't get it.
What is this?
And then when they did Love Box and Love Alone Speakerbox, he put that out and he just fucking took off.
And everybody's like, really?
This is got to work wild cards into the budget.
Or they go, like, our budget is going to go towards these algorithmic, like, data-driven points.
But like, this amount of money is just going to be for lottery.
Let's see if something works.
And that's the beauty of YouTube is like, you get to try your shit first.
Yeah.
How much of like, you know, even, you know, just being creators do you care about or you follow big tech?
Because I don't me, I'm like, all right, TikTok is a thing.
I bet I'm going to put some of the brand on there.
Like, I'm figuring out.
I'm like, all right, cool.
If this is, you never want to be the person who's like, no, I'm going to stay on Facebook.
Fuck everything else.
You know what I mean?
The whole antiquated person.
I've done that with TikTok a little bit because I was being more political about it.
But it's such a fascinating fucking app.
Like, we got to put some stuff over there.
The other thing that I think I've lost by not being on TikTok for so long is that content curation changes.
Like how people create things for the internet is dictated by the program they're using, the app, right?
So like, since I haven't been on the app, I'm missing like certain trends.
I'm missing certain songs that are popping, not for dances, but like some, you know, how sometimes people build a joke into a song?
Like, this is what it looks like when I do this.
This is what it looks like when my wife does it.
And then social media, and this is what I look at.
I'm like, yo, it's so people, like, obviously, we strive to, you know, kind of find that organic growth or whatever.
Yeah.
Like, I had a meeting with TikTok when I first, like, you know, got on TikTok.
Yeah.
And they literally told me, they're like, yo, you get on this bitch.
They're like, yo, just tell us.
We're going to give you the count, blah, blah, blah.
Verify you.
It's like, yo, we're going to hit a lever.
Yeah.
That's what he said.
We're going to hit a lever.
It was like some matrix shit.
We're going to hit a lever.
And you're going to grow like you've never grown before.
And I kid you not.
I would wake up and be like a hundred thousand.
And they're like, yo, we're promoting you.
Yeah.
Just keep doing what you're doing.
Just bring it over here.
Okay.
And I'm like, fuck.
Wow.
And I remember they even told me because I was like, I was slacking on the content a bit.
They're like, hey, listen, we got the lever on.
You know what I mean?
Like, you talk, because I told them to meet and I was like, yo, I just want to have all my platforms with a million people.
And they were like, no, we'll get you there.
Like, just post anything.
And I was like, yo, I always, being someone who created shit organically, I'm like, but also I realized with Instagram too, Instagram plays with whatever lever they have.
They probably be like, yo, you know, it shows you're shadow banned.
Fuck it.
Yeah, they did that to us.
They get upset at you.
You post the wrong shit for sure.
But it does feel like, I don't know, TikTok, I'm not.
I don't know.
It's like, I know too many people that just got a million followers out of nowhere for like followers to matter.
I think the most brilliant thing about TikTok is that it's not the people you follow.
Like TikTok basically said this.
TikTok is like, you don't really want to see what your friends are doing.
So we're going to remove that for you.
Shadow Banning And Levers00:09:43
Yeah.
I don't want to see my friend playing with their dog or their stupid birthday party or their kid doing this shit.
Show me the goods, bro.
That's a great.
So TikTok is like, we're the explore page.
It's nothing else.
Everybody, they even says the when people type it on, it's like, yo, FYP is like the for you page.
For you.
That's it.
This is for you.
We got all the bullshit out the way.
We got all the birthdays.
I got you from Pornhub.
Pornhub has a for you section.
And it's based on what you've been searching.
That shit is always hard.
Porn is the soldier boy of technology, bro.
Kid you not.
They always first.
I'm telling you, whoever got porn up should come out and say it.
They do.
They say, yo, we invent all this shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, look, Al's about to piss himself.
We've been talking for four hours and four.
Quick question, bro.
Did you get your 10K from Bow Wow?
It was 20K.
Oh, 20K.
And truth be told, you know, I think we know the answer.
I don't know how to disclose that.
I think he got some child support proceedings.
And according to him, he said he gets $300 a week.
So you got a lot of the judge, dog.
Hey, if you had a baby model who's saying, I don't want to disclose anything, but he got some child support shit that you did.
I can't disclose if he paid me.
Because if I tell you, he gave me 20 ranks, and then the baby mama take this clip and be like, yo, you heard what academics said?
He got 20 bands.
You think this motherfucker can't afford to give me 10 bands a month?
Well, you tell me after.
He got his 20 grand.
Hey, Academics got his 20 grand from borrowed it from Jermaine Dupree.
Okay.
And he got his 20 grand.
I'm not cake it, man.
You think Balloon's got some money?
Yeah, he's up.
You think?
He's an actor.
Yeah.
Actors don't make no money.
What?
Lotto tickets?
That shit is 2009.
CBS Miami.
How much CSI?
CVS, bro.
He works in CBS.
That showed the long receipts in that man.
He's like the forensic team.
Hey, they don't make any money.
Actors are broke, son.
All these actors are broke.
Oh, my God.
That guy who's without.
Shut up.
Oh, shut up.
The guy with Laurie Harvey is not broke.
Who's that?
Michael B. Jordan.
He's a movie star.
Michael B. Jordan.
He made $20 million a movie.
He's good.
He's a movie star.
What about these guys who...
Michael B. Jordan's broke.
That's way different than CVS Miami.
You're talking about Creed and fucking a TV show on late night.
Actors make some money.
He was probably making.
Actors make more of rappers.
Bow Wow on the CSI thing, 30 grand an episode or something.
Something like that.
Because he's more known up to 50.
Maybe tops, 50 grand an episode.
Rappers are the brokest.
Are they really?
Stop it.
You love that.
I don't know this.
I'm being dead serious.
I know every rapper who lives in Jersey.
I have the third biggest house of all rappers.
Really?
Active rapper.
Who's number one?
Eight boogies before me, and I forgot the other rapper.
Oh, you remember.
Why are you nodding your head?
Oh, no, that's just dope.
The boogie with the hoodies got.
Nah, look, but we got a crib.
Rented or owned?
I assume owned, but also I fell for that trick.
I bought a Lambo, told them some rappers, they're like, you bought it?
Yo, they looked at me stupid.
What's wrong?
Yo, we threw it up for a post.
Like, yo, we get, like, the lease was covered by the promo.
And I'm like, wait, I own this shit forever.
I bought a cash.
Like, what would we do?
I realize it's all shit.
It's smoke embarrassing.
That's a smoke embarrassing.
Rappers, what people think about.
When they're rich and they're just like, it's a depreciating asset.
Why would you do that?
No, rappers.
People think rappers are just like collecting checks because they show cash.
If you showed, yo, Netflix just gave me the bag with like a million dollars in a bag.
Right, right, right.
Bro, they would think you get a million dollars every month.
That's how it looks.
So rappers show you the money.
And then you think it's always coming in.
And you think it's always coming in.
Rappers get paid a few times a year.
Yeah.
You get an advance before an album that's half up front.
It's almost like a deposit.
You get the other half when you turn the album.
These motherfuckers, some of them, they take long to turn the album.
Most of them don't get no royalty statements.
Maybe they have a pub deal, this, and third.
They might get paid twice a year.
And then afterwards, they're getting shows.
And unless you're like the top of the top who's really caking from shows, and keep in mind, you got a crew of entourage, expenses, cars, jewelry, all these things you got to pay for.
Most of these rappers, truth be told, people don't realize there's many rappers you may know their names.
They don't make a million dollars profit.
They pull in a million.
They don't make a million profit.
They're like IG host.
Of course.
So what's up with all the cars and the jewelry and all that kind of stuff?
Do you think that?
Listen, the car that Sweetie had that Quavo bought her.
Yeah.
It's back in the dealership somebody else bought it.
Yeah, it's all for sale.
Yeah.
Most of them shit, that's what I'm saying.
Migos make a million dollars a year.
No, no, no.
The Migos, but what do you think the Migos make a year?
Because if you asked me, I would think they're making like 20 million each.
No, I don't think that much.
No.
Well, when people see the lifestyle, again, they're looking at your, you got to look at the rap fans?
You got to do a pocket watching segment of the podcast, dude.
Nah, I do.
That'd be fine.
Just a whole segment.
I'll be watching promotions.
Let's go talk to.
This is fun.
This is fine.
Yo, you know what, yo, truth be told, I'm finding out people aren't as rich as they think.
But none of these.
I heard about certain rappers who, I don't want to say this particular rapper's name.
He had to call his, like, he's in a car dealership.
One of the biggest rappers.
Had to call his label.
Hey, I need this $100,000 to get this car.
He's supposed to carve flex on Instagram.
Like, you know what I mean?
Who, who, who, who?
What type of rapper?
What type of rapper?
Some of the rappers I like.
Nah, I can't be able to do it.
Uzi?
Nah, I ain't gonna let you do to me.
Uzi?
I ain't gonna let you do to me.
Uzi had to call the label?
Nah, stop it, brother.
Dude, not Uzi.
Baby.
Oh!
No, no, baby.
Yo.
Nah, no, no.
I'm not going to be, because your rappers get very sensitive about their money.
Yeah.
Because they're lying.
I'd be sensitive too.
I mean, also, it's not kind of lying, too.
Like, the top of the top thing.
Wait, wait, wait, it was Uzi or baby?
Nah, I can't tell you.
It was Lil Baby, bro?
Nah.
It was Lil Baby.
Lil Baby couldn't pay for his car.
He was just posting on his car.
No, it's not Lil Baby.
It was a little dirt.
Little Dirk.
But you didn't say it's not a little Uzi.
So it's Uzi, bro?
With all his phantom, not phantom, is his Bugatti.
It's a million dollar Bugatti.
Rappers have outlandish.
He at least that diamond in his hand.
What's going on?
Just to speak on Uzi, and I fuck with Uzi.
I heard Uzi pays some ridiculous amount in like insuring.
I don't know if it's insurance and payments per month for his car collection, like something to the tune of like almost a million a year.
Just think about expenses.
A million a year in insuring those cars.
Now, I got a couple cars, and it does cost a lot to.
He has about eight times my collection.
He has a car that costs like $4 million.
The Bugatti.
Oh, it's just super customizable.
Yeah.
And where is he generating this money from?
Music.
Is music paying like that?
But that's the thing.
Opener up.
Rappers.
Listen, you look like you're frugal.
In terms of if you made $2 million, look like you, well, you white.
You probably spend $50,000.
You're not even doing too much.
Like, he's keeping it at the minimum.
Rappers, they make a million.
They're spending $1.2.
Rappers are spending the money.
They're negotiating already.
Wow.
What's the next deal going to be?
I bet.
I'm in a dealership tomorrow.
Were there any that did it smart?
That's the saddest shit I've ever heard.
But for most of them, it's like.
What were you saying?
Like, were there any that did it smart?
Like, I always hear about Rick Ross, like, buys much, like, wing stops or whatever.
Like, are there any rappers that we put out of the equation that are actually set financially?
I'm going to be honest, most rappers who are in the game long enough learn it.
It's like a kid learning to ride a bike.
There you go.
That makes sense.
You come in the game and you've seen everybody do it this way.
Yeah.
And you're like, all right, I got to do it this way.
And then you realize later on when you're actually, when taxes come get at you, when your house is about to get foreclosed, you're like, yo, I got to start.
That's when you see they stop copying new chains every fucking week.
Like, it's not feasible to be like, yo, it's a new piece.
And then you see the new piece.
You know what I mean?
Like, I seen Yachty show me a million dollars in jewelry.
Some of those jewelry he won't even wear ever.
Wow.
Again.
Well, he bought it at a time when it was all about just showing it off.
But they're old now.
Like, he's not, like, he doesn't wear that much jewelry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yachty's on TikTok kicking it.
Yeah.
And killing it too.
Yeah.
So now it's like, what is that million dollars in jewelry really worth to you?
Maybe you should try to get your money back somehow.
So a lot of rappers are bad with money management.
Also, you're playing the game of keeping up with the Joneses.
Okay, you got a Maybach chuck?
I got to get one too.
You got this?
I got to get one too.
There's a comedian friend of ours named Damian Lemon.
And he said, he said, dudes will go broke trying to impress broke dudes.
That's crazy.
Fuck, that's a bar.
That's a fact.
Like, the thing with music is you can see the wealth.
Like, niggas wear their riches and they show you it.
Yo, I just copped this.
I just copped this.
Here's the money in the bag.
Like, no one says, yo, listen, yo, I got the money in the bank.
That sounds weird.
It's like rappers act as if, like, rappers act as if, like, every person they meet is like, you ain't rich.
You know what I mean?
But look at my backpack.
I promise I'm rich.
I'm a million dollars in my backpack.
I ain't gonna lie.
I did that dumb shit one time, too.
Showing Off American Greed00:03:07
Like, in terms of not like what they're doing, but I'm like, you know what?
Maybe I should just have like $10,000 to $15,000 in cash just in a safe.
Like in the house.
Like, let me just leave it there.
And, you know, rainy day, who knows?
And then after a while, I'm like, why is it here?
Yeah, what?
I remember going into the safe and I'm peeling off like 200 bucks because I was going to the store and I'm like, this is obnoxious.
They accept cards.
You can buy your groceries with fucking credit.
That it is somehow a mindset that's poisoned, like you know, a lot of people that come up, yeah, you know, idolizing that rapper lifestyle.
Like, you kind of want to, like, if you're not showing it, you don't got it.
Yeah, a lot of things with music is kind of sick, but that's you know, that's an American thing.
No, no, no, a lot of things specifically with rap.
I say, like, rap is a microcosm of American culture, in my opinion.
Like, American greed, American, you know, it's we're immigrants, dude.
Like, we're immigrants, we came from nothing.
The second we got something, we want to show it off.
That's America.
Look how big the fucking plates are of food.
Like, if you go to France, the plates is just enough.
Everything has its purpose, right?
Because they've been around for thousands of years.
They figured out what their fucking culture and identity is.
Americans, it's like everybody here, all of our parents.
If our parents aren't immigrants, our parents' parents are immigrants, right?
So everybody was broke.
They came here like, nah, I made it.
Streets are paved with gold.
Like, this place didn't attract people who didn't want to make money.
They said the streets got gold.
So the gold-diggingest of motherfuckers on the planet came here and they're like, we are here to dig and show our relatives we got it.
They legitimately told my mom in her village back in like the 50s, probably that when you open the faucets in America and turn on faucet, honey comes out instead of water.
I'll give you one.
They didn't even have faucets.
I'll give you one minute.
The first time when I came to America, I was born in Jamaica, right?
And the first time when I came to America, the way they described America, I thought the plane was going to land on the clouds.
I thought that I thought that was America.
They made it sound like paradise.
And I was like, well, if what y'all are talking about is paradise and I live down here.
Yeah.
This fucking plane about to land on the clouds and I'm about to hop on something like, oh, this shit is cushy.
Like, damn, we don't need no shoes.
We good.
And then when I landed in JFK and it was like sleet, and I was like, this is disgusting.
How is this paradise?
They killed it for me real quick.
Yeah, but that's true, man.
That's what we all want.
We all want to show off.
We all want to get something.
And then I think after a while, like you, you hear the term like old money in America.
It's like all those people that were old money, like the fucking Kennedys and shit, they all made their money selling drugs or selling alcohol.
They were doing foul shit and they were just as glitzy and glamorous.
And then after a few generations, they were like, oh, okay, we're not supposed to be glitzy and glamorous.
Let's just calm it down a little bit.
And then this whole idea of like class comes around.
Like, class is the most bullshit fucking idea.
I'm realizing.
Class is just a way where rich people can shit on people who just became rich.
Old Money And Drug Sales00:02:41
Like, that's the whole thing.
It's just like, oh, you show off your money.
Oh, yeah, you don't do that once you've had it a while.
Yeah, it's new money.
So I'm, I was just out in the Hamptons.
You know, the thing in the Hamptons is you get an old car and you leave it beat up.
What?
Yeah, you get a real old car.
What you doing in the Hamptons?
Old classic car.
Old classic car.
Y'all start watching his podcast yet?
That's after the Ruri and Millie Mona.
Did he show you the show?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Does he show you the shit?
Oh, now you bring it up.
Everybody gets to look at the books.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, our books are open.
By like four lines.
My share, your share, and what you don't need to give a fuck about.
Yes.
And total.
Yeah, for this podcast, I know the numbers first.
Netflix deal.
I just guess.
I never asked, to be honest.
I thought it would be awkward to even ask.
Yeah.
Mark knows it.
Mark is a co-creator.
He got a piece of it.
Yeah.
Mark is richer than me, for sure.
I don't know about that.
Ever since you bought the Bitcoins, probably.
I'm going to be honest with you.
One of the dopest things, like, you know, you got to share, man.
If you make money, you got to share.
Yo, what Charlamagne always did that helped me, like just talking to me, like from way back, even early breakfast club days.
He was never, like, he always disclosed, like, yo, this is what, this is what I'm getting.
And I always thought I felt really privileged to even get that information because I got to have a sense of what reality was.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
That's why, like, you know, at certain times, I'm like, well, my guys, like, unless he's lying to me, like, he's telling me this is what reality is.
But this other nigga's told me I might be on some shit.
You know what I mean?
So, like, you got to share information, man.
You got to share information, especially when it pertains to, like, I don't know, like, making money.
It seems braggadocious, but if you let people know what their expectation is and then they can achieve it, you know, like you find out, like, put it this way, Joe Rogan or the dick-sucking girl, like, getting crazy money from Spotify.
So, you're disrespectful, man.
Her name's Alexandra, the dick-sucking girl.
Every girl sucks dick.
Why are you calling her the dick-sucking girl?
She's the dick-sucking girl.
I'm the supreme talent.
I'm typing that.
Tiana Trump, the dick-sucking girl.
Nah.
She ain't got no 60 million.
Her dick sucking ain't worth it.
She don't got $60 million dick sucks.
Yo, she tweeted out that she fucking for like 500 bucks.
She got better get a podcast.
Yeah, she better.
That's your new co-host.
We got to get Tiana on the podcast immediately.
But wait, what was the point we were about to say?
By sharing information.
Oh, yeah.
It's like the second you find out she gets 60 million from Spotify.
Now, if you do a deal with Spotify, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yo, here's the thing, though.
Bargaining With Max Contracts00:03:43
Pocket watching could be positive and negative.
Let me tell you this.
This is where complex fucked up.
Okay.
The moment, and I remember like just even being around people who were barely above entrance status.
Yeah.
And they could see like shit that should only be privy.
Like, there's a lot of pimping going on.
Like, the workplace, like, capitalism is pimping.
Yes.
Yo, you make, I'm giving you 15 an hour.
You're making me 200 an hour.
Okay.
Now, if you knew you were making me 200 an hour, you're going to be a little bit upset.
I think the way that I've heard it said is if an employer paid an employee what they're worth, they wouldn't make any money.
Yeah, but also if the employee knew what they were making the employer fully, you would never be happy with your paycheck is.
I know, that depends.
I'm going to be honest with you.
If I knew I made somebody $5 million and they paid me $200,000, I'm not happy.
Because now I'm like, damn, why can't I get a half?
Why can't I get one fifth?
You start almost bargaining.
You're bargaining with what you made someone as opposed to what you're being given.
You almost become ungrateful.
Your ego steps in to a certain extent.
And then like you reach certain amounts of money and that you can't fathom.
And then that goes away.
Like, I have a buddy of mine who's who he's in the NBA and he like, I don't like saying what he does at the NBA, but basically in terms of contracts with players, sometimes you'll offer a contract to a player and this is a human being that cannot fathom the amount of money that you just put on a check.
And that might not be the max contract.
Say what?
Sounds like that's a general.
He's up there.
So that might not be a max contract, but it might be a few million off a max contract.
But you're looking at somebody who goes, if I sign on that line right there, nobody in my family will ever have to think about a certain thing again.
And then all of a sudden you start to go, that's enough.
25 million.
You said 28 million is enough.
Well, it's 24.
Well, it's 23.
You know what I mean?
And you're not resentful.
You get to a certain amount of money where you're just like, I'm doing pretty fucking good.
Okay.
I am too.
I believe that.
I believe that.
But still, like, I think even LeBron James would probably get 30 to 40 million a year.
LeBron is the most underpaid athlete in history.
Okay, but he's probably.
If we saw it on payment, I'm pretty sure he could probably do a good estimation himself.
Like, yo, you just made the NBA $4 billion and you got paid $30 million.
Like, you tied.
I think the Lakers make $40 million a year.
Now he's trapped.
Here's the thing.
He's trapped in a system where there's nothing you can do about it.
But that's what I'm saying about accounting.
If it's your boss and you feel like you're like an integral part of it and you're not that replaceable, you might be like, fuck it, I'm going on strike.
Yeah.
Give me $100 million going on strike.
Now in the NBA, you can't do that.
Like, they're so tied into, it's so tied into like, you know, these labor contracts.
It's like, yeah, all right.
Well, we have a players unit and does that third.
Go on strike, motherfucker.
Well, that's where the issue is leverage.
How replaceable are you?
If you're just a fucking intern, you're just a fucking intern.
I will easily find another fucking intern.
If you're a guy that can't be replaced, my leverage is, hey, I'll walk and then they're going to be like, fuck, we got to pay this guy.
Let's figure this out because I can't lose him.
I can't replace him.
Everybody thinks about like, you know, ways that they should be making more, how they make more money.
Have you never had a contract or money dispute with your homies?
No, never.
But I've also, I'm also like, I don't know, I'm pretty, I try to be pretty fair, overly fair when it comes to money and stuff.
But like, what I what I try to do is incentivize effort, right?
So it's like everybody thinks that they're being underpaid, right?
Leverage And Replaceability00:04:12
But if you create an environment where they can make money, they just have to suggest things, ideas, et cetera, they can make money.
You know, like Mark busted his ass on the Netflix special.
So he made a lot of fucking money on it.
And he earned it.
He busted his ass, you know?
He should be richer than me.
He don't seem like he's complaining.
No, no, no.
I've always said that.
He's taking advantage of opportunities.
Same with Alex.
Alex never had to ask me for a raise.
I'll come out of these pimping ruining me anymore.
No, but in all seriousness, I'll just fucking, I mean, I don't want to disclose information, but like he just fucking murdered it when we did this music video.
And I pulled him aside.
I was like, I was so impressed with what you did.
I don't know.
I like to create that kind of environment where it's like incentivized.
Hey, you got an idea?
You want to cook something up?
You can make money at it.
This is for everybody.
We're here for everybody.
You want to make some money?
Think of ideas that make us some money and guaranteed you make some money.
That is.
Anybody who wants to bring ideas to it, the best idea wins.
I have no way you go when it comes to ideas.
You guys, I have the ego.
I'm not saying I don't have ego, but when it comes to an idea, if you guys have a better idea, have I ever said, no, we have to go my way?
No.
Let's win.
Say again?
Why'd you come in from Miami?
It's about to get hot, son.
It's about to get hot.
No, it's good weather here.
It's about to get hot.
It's really hard.
No, it's different hot.
No, but it's actually hotter here pretty much every day in Miami so far.
Wouldn't you guys want to see more around where it's driving me a little crazy?
No, you know why I think a big reason you want to come back, and this is why I didn't argue.
I think a lot of his stand-up is, and he's mentioned this to me, so I'm not fucking revealing anything, but like, it's fighting back against the noise around him.
And in New York, there's a lot of people who were always offended by this or offended by that.
In Miami, it's a vacation city.
Everybody is just like, dude, we're happy to be here.
That's great.
It's amazing.
Miami's income.
When he said that, I was like, yeah, man.
All right, let's go back.
For me, things to do, man.
I got a special to do.
Like, there's work that we got to do, but we're going to, I like the idea of taking say what?
Yeah, I was in a club last night.
It was like, oh, it's back.
Oh, that's crazy.
It's like 1,200 people.
That shit was.
No, no, no.
We're back.
Like, our mask wasn't in sight.
Everybody's coughing on each other.
It's lit.
People sharing drinks.
No, we're back.
Yeah, we're back.
We're fucking back.
Anyway, yo, Act, tell them where they can find you, bro.
This has been a five.
We did five hours.
This is great.
Longest ever.
I think this is the longest podcast we ever did, bro.
It's five hours, man.
It's an average Twitch.
Average Twitch, man.
Tell them where they can find you, man.
You can definitely find me on Instagram at Academics.
You know, that's where I keep up with the happenings of hip-hop.
I'm on Twitch as well.
I'm telling you, it's a great watch on Twitch.
If you've never done Twitch before, this is a good entryway to Twitch.
You get warmed up.
Like, you play some music and that kind of shit.
But once you start the shit talk, it is.
Someone told me, and that's when it dawned on me.
That's when I started looking to the podcast thing because they said, Yo, what you're doing on Twitch, you're doing a podcast every time you and I wasn't thinking about it like that.
I started to think about it like more like a show because I started having like, hey, let me have my topics in an order like that.
I want to talk about this.
And once I start talking about it, I almost black out.
You know, it's like, in a sense, like, I'm passionate about most of the shit I'm talking about.
And the great thing about it, too, is like, you know, for my time in like everyday struggling, like working at complex is like, they're giving you topics and like some of the things I really don't give a fuck about.
Like on this platform, it's whatever I do care about.
Yeah.
So I'm passionate about everything that I'm going to talk about or I wouldn't talk about it.
Yeah.
So I think that's a great experience for like, you know, a viewer who, you know, likes kind of conversation.
And I won't say it's as wild as what y'all got going on.
But I just want to say that.
I mean, yeah.
It's wild.
So check him out.
YouTube.
And also, really, the big announcement, my podcast is coming next month.
What's the name of it?
I don't know if I could name it.
I don't know if I could tell the name.
They're running it through a whole thing to make sure I'm not like breaking people's trade.
I don't know what's going on.
What's the tentative title?
I can't give it out.
Yeah, no, they're doing a trademark search.
Announcing The New Podcast00:00:46
This is your big announcement.
What I would like for y'all to do, though, because I would like for y'all to be on my podcast.
Of course, I would love to, you know, have you guys guests.
We're there.
I watch you guys all the time.
I think you guys, the path you guys have built and where you guys are going, I'm like, this is genius.
And I could, I always appreciate genius when I could say, if I wasn't doing what I'm doing, I want to do that shit.
Respect.
And that's dope.
So I like what you guys are doing, but make sure you guys, you know, you guys got to be one of my first guests.
We in there.
We in there.
100%.
And then we're going to slander everybody you don't like.