Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh dissect Kim Kardashian's potential romance with Drake following her divorce from Kanye West, analyzing how he monetized controversy before damaging her brand. They debate Ted Cruz's negligence in leaving his dog during Texas power outages versus AOC's political turkey distribution strategy. The conversation shifts to honoring Patrice O'Neal's legacy of raw emotional honesty over factual accuracy, contrasting his human flaws with mythologized superheroes. Finally, they scrutinize Chris Delia's apology for texting underage girls, arguing that vague explanations fail to address predatory conduct, while promoting sponsorships for Honey.com and Policy Genius. [Automatically generated summary]
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Leave That Dog In The House00:14:31
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to Flagrant 2.
It's your boy Shelton.
We're here with Akash saying Alex Media.
Dove Mammon is in the passenger seat right now as Mark is still getting feasted on by the Rona.
Dove is out.
He's officially Corona-free.
Technically.
Technically.
You still have Corona.
You've tested positive for Corona.
What?
I think we should be able to talk about this.
Yeah, you didn't tell?
He just got a test.
He's filled with Corona.
He's fucking riddled with it.
But since it's been two weeks since what?
You had a symptom or something like that?
You're allowed back out.
Two weeks since the onset of symptoms.
And that's like super safe.
10 days is good.
Exactly.
But technically, he's still got Corona.
Moderate to severe asthma.
I know.
He's still got Corona.
I just want to point out he's still got Corona, technically.
All right.
Hey, we all had antibodies, bro.
We good.
Mark makes me feel different right now.
Mark is still getting feasted on, man.
And he's having a rough time.
He's dying, though.
He's fucking dying, bro.
You guys laugh every time you see that.
Oh, funny.
Who wanted Florida more than Mark?
Who believed in Corona less than Mark?
Who was more flippant than Mark this whole time?
I know that last one, but you got it.
That motherfucker was disrespectful to the virus, yo.
No respect.
He does.
He would take his mask off everywhere, bro.
Every time he would just do...
So Mark, when he's in the spin cycle, does waiter hands.
Mark, when he doesn't care, does like one of these.
Hey, Mark, you're not wearing a mask?
I mean, you know, you get sick.
Let's see.
Akash is loving Mark being sick, by the way.
Nobody is more happy about Mark being sick than I'm.
You're right about it.
You know how good it is to not be sick for once?
Yo, Corona's really worked out for you, yo.
He's been great, dog.
You took out your competition in New York.
Oh, wow.
Yo, you go back to New York.
You're going to be up at every single club because you damn near killed all the old people that are doing it.
All I want to keep me out is Colin Quinn.
Motherfucker me.
Damn it.
Shout out to CQ, man.
Can't take out CQ.
You destroyed another podcast.
Yo, hey.
You destroyed a podcast.
You destroyed a podcast that spread a rumor about you.
You right.
You goddamn right.
I forgot.
That's payback, bro.
Hey, hi, Henas.
Bye, Hinas.
We were supposed to have Giannis on the pod today, matter of fact.
Oh, really?
Yeah, we were.
And then he couldn't come down for some reason.
Maybe because there's a Rona outbreak over here that maybe, maybe.
He's one person who cannot get it again.
Yeah, yeah.
That almost broke him, bro.
I called him once, dude, and he sounded like Marlon Brando in the fucking podcast.
I was like, how you doing up there?
Man.
I don't know what it's like.
It's taking over my brain.
It's taking over my body.
I just need to get a test.
Like, why don't you go to the hospital?
I can't leave the house, man.
Breathing is hard.
Thing is hard, bro.
Dude, it was some long days for him, bro.
I'll tell you about Yanni.
Long days.
Yanni was going through some long days with that Corona.
Yo, bro.
Yo.
Yeah.
For the benefit of everyone watching, can you pull your shorts down a little sut?
You showing mad thy meets up.
I'm wearing compression shorts, bro.
Like, you got to see how you look right now.
That's wild, son.
Yo, you got bad bitch confidence with that.
You really do.
I got some legs, though.
Let's be honest, bro.
I've had a whole new level of confidence in my legs ever since I came out here.
I'll be on the motorcycle, bro.
And when I wear these shorts on my motorcycle, bro, it looks like I'm not wearing anything, dude.
Yep.
It looks like that right now.
And I'm telling you, I see like gangsters out here, like Haitian gangsters with the fucking weird dreads that go up like Krussy the Clown.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that Kodak shit.
That Kodak shit.
I see them double-taking me, bro.
How can somebody be that gay, son?
Disrespectful.
But the legs, go back to me so I can see me.
The legs are different, bro.
Look at that shit right there.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
That's a nice little step.
Now, if it wasn't so hairy, it'd be all right.
Yeah, I guess I got it.
Her level of hair is repulsive, though.
Anyway, so what's going on this week, man?
We had a bunch of shit to talk about.
We had a lot going on.
We could talk about Ted Cruz.
Everybody going after Ted Cruz, man.
I know we spoke about on the Patreon, but I've been thinking a lot about this.
I don't.
Yeah, okay.
So here's the thing.
I don't blame him for leaving.
He left his dog, yo.
That I get.
That's the most relatable.
That's the most relatable shit I've ever seen.
You were just in Aruba recently, right?
Was your dog with you?
No.
Okay.
Have any of y'all taken your dog on vacation?
Yeah.
When?
On vacation, did you take your dog?
I have taken my dog on vacation.
When?
When we came to Miami, before we left the dog.
That's not vacation, motherfucker.
No, no, no.
Before we lived here, a trip to Miami, the dog.
Taking a trip to San Diego, brought the dog.
Aruba is like international.
Yo, that's some pussy ass shit, though.
This dog's like a rat.
Yeah, you could take it.
You could fly the same ass dog as me.
First of all, watch your fucking mouth.
We talk about happy dogs.
How are you talking about?
Yeah, you got that right.
I'll be honest with you, though.
The leaving the dog shit, anytime I can leave my dog, I leave my dog.
Oh, I love my dog.
But anytime.
Anytime.
I got Mark living on the property.
I can't wait till he's not getting feasted on so he can just look after my fucking dog when I got a go place.
Okay?
He don't know that.
Hey, Mark, can you look after the dog, bro?
I love it.
It's amazing.
Okay, Dove, can you walk the dog while we go out to dinner?
Me and my dog is a little bit more than that.
Dove sent me of you walking your dog in the rain.
It's the funniest, funny video I've ever seen.
I never related to your boy Ted Cruz more.
You look so you can only see Andrew from the back walking mad, fucking slant-footed out here.
High shoulders.
Mad slant-footed.
I look like Larry King.
Yeah.
I look like I'm being hoisted to heaven.
Isn't that what Larry King looked like?
Somebody had him by the suspension.
He's like, come on, Larry, it's done.
Nah, he was walking like Phil Jackson in that video.
Bro, you got the Phil Jackson going.
You can't see his face at all, but you can tell he's never been less happy in his life, bro.
My dog jumping around all willy-nilly because she don't know what rain is, motherfucker.
Stupid ass dog.
You know what I mean?
She don't know she's going to fuck up the furniture.
Like, she don't understand things.
I'm just looking at this dog like, you know how long it's going to take to dry your ass out?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
So leave the dog.
I get that.
100%.
Nah, that's vile.
No, no, no, no.
That's vile.
Okay.
Don't heat that little ass dog.
Say what?
No heat for that little ass dog.
It's built out of warmth.
Nah, a dog that little, that could go.
No, Dogs don't have houses.
Dogs that small don't survive, bro.
Yes, they do.
Those damn dogs.
No, we got them.
We bred them, motherfuckers, for the house.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, la, Nah, there's like a chart of what's going on.
Okay, what kind of dog is it?
It's a little multi-pood dog.
Are you sure about that?
Yeah, look at the picture.
His name is Snowflake, ironically.
Ain't that some shit?
Hilarious.
Ain't that some shit?
Hilarious.
Looking out the window at Manchester Trad Cruz.
Hold on.
Back to Ted Cruz.
So leaving the dog, I 100% get because it's not a vacation if you have your dog.
It's almost not a vacation if you have your kids.
I believe that too.
It's a poodle.
No, that's a full-grown poodle.
Bro, look at that window.
Look at that window.
That's a little tiny ass dog.
That window next to it.
Nah, that's a full-grown poodle, bro.
No full-grown poodle.
That's a full-ass-grown poodle.
That's an ugly ass dog, I'm going to be honest.
Anyway, back to this.
So, Ted Cruz leaves the dog, right?
100% understand leaving a dog.
Never.
But you have.
That's the thing.
You're being in the house.
Leave it in the house.
You want to leave it outside the house, Akash?
You leave it at a day.
It's fucking freezing outside.
You're in the middle of an ice cold.
Where would you leave your house?
You've got the whole fucking house.
Where would you leave the dog?
Not in my house.
With friends.
Stop it.
At a doggy daycare.
Shouts to pup culture.
Why wouldn't you have somebody check on the house?
You better have a security guard or somebody check on the house.
The security guard was checking on the house.
Everybody's going through no fucking electricity, no water.
Like, you gonna tax somebody to go in a fucking winter storm?
How we know his house doesn't have it.
Freezing dog.
That's why they left.
No, they left because he didn't want to deal with all the bitch assness that was going on in Texas.
He left.
He's a big cat.
Getting cut.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Yes.
Yo, y'all are being fake right now.
No, y'all are really being fake.
Left our dog ass.
No, y'all are being fake.
Oh, don't say, y'all.
I'll get rid of the dog.
Thank you.
I'll just run it back and get a new one.
I took my dog to the fucking vet.
Your dog told me.
The vet told me it was $1,000.
I told my girl to her face.
I go, we could buy a brand new dog.
Leave it there.
Run it back.
$1,000?
A brand new dog with none of these problems.
That's why they started making toy dogs because they toys lead them toys there.
And I love my dog.
You can't buy one of your dogs for no thousand dollars.
You know, good and goddamn well.
You can't buy it.
I spent a thousand back home in New York and then another thousand here.
And then I was like, if this happens again, we could buy a new one.
So if it's a bad thing, I'm not going to get pet insurance, son.
Pet insurance, bro.
The pet insurance.
It's the only insurance that's worth it.
Yeah, I do have pet insurance.
I don't know what the fucking deal with it is.
I don't do that kind of stuff.
You had to just get your dog, like let your dog die.
Say another one?
Yeah.
No, I don't want that dog to die.
I don't want the dog to die.
That's not it.
I just don't want to fill out paperwork.
I don't want to do any of that shit.
So I ended up just paying for things.
I don't want to do paperwork.
My point is, I can't believe you're making the argument that you should bring your dog on vacation.
You're a liar.
You went to Aruba.
You didn't bring your dog on vacation.
I didn't leave him at the house.
Where'd you leave him?
Doggy daycare.
So with a bunch of other dogs who could fucking gnarl in your dog's stupid face the entire time.
You have no clue.
Oh, we have clues.
We get no clue.
We get videos.
You don't get no videos.
You got to look on their Instagram story if you want to see what's happening with your dog.
Different daycare, bro.
Shouts to pups at play in Montclair, New Jersey.
There you go.
We out here.
Okay, point is.
You left your dog.
We get some free boarding for that.
You left your dog.
So is the issue leaving the dog or is it leaving it in the house?
Leaving it at the house stranded.
Now, question.
No heat.
Question.
If you stayed in Texas, which is what you wanted them to do.
Yeah, Ted Cruz?
Hold on.
Where would they be?
At the house, correct?
With how much heat?
Yeah.
Find a place for them.
No, no, no, no.
How much heat?
Hey.
No, no, no, no.
Answer the question.
Don't wriggle out of it.
How much heat?
They have the heat of love.
No, The warmth of human bodies.
The warmth of human bodies.
Right, right, right.
So, in other words, the same amount of zero heat.
No.
Oh, my God.
That's a different.
We're going to really do it.
Am I talking to a woman?
I'm not talking to a woman right now.
We're not going to have a logical fucking discussion right now.
How much heat would be in the house if they're there with the dog?
The same no heat, right?
So you're okay with the dog having no heat as long as humans are there, but you're not okay with the dog having no heat if they're no humans.
Send the dog and your wife and kids to motherfucking Cancun and you stay and handle business.
Yes.
Well, now we're getting to where I want to go.
Now we're close to where I want to go.
Okay.
Long has a way to get there.
Because I'm arguing with a fucking female the whole time.
I'm asking you a simple fucking question.
Would you allow your dog to do it?
I can't because of you.
Is the dog warm?
And there's love.
The kids love.
Says that shit.
The dog's gonna be warm because of love.
Who is that?
The dog is cold because there's not enough love.
The guy would not love me for his dog.
I know exactly how much a dog weighs from looking at the fucking picture of him at the door.
Yeah, I know.
He's a poodle.
He's a multi-poo.
I don't know.
I think all dogs are big.
So, it's not a fucking dog if it's not.
My point is, my point is, point I'm trying to make is this.
You're okay with the dog being cold in the house already.
This is, let's just be logical.
You're okay with the dog freezing his ass off as long as human beings are freezing their ass off with it.
You didn't say take the dog and send it somewhere warm.
You said be at home with the dog.
Did you not?
Sure, sure.
Okay.
Let's go.
We're getting somewhere.
Thank you very much.
So why don't you do this?
Leave the fucking dog there.
Let other human beings take care of the dog while you go on vacation.
Why can't you do that?
That's better.
That's my suggestion from the beginning.
I said multiple times, have somebody else take care of it.
Did it with a friend?
They proved it.
They did.
The guy kept on shut up.
If I'm going to leave, let me find a friend who got power.
Here, you take the dog.
We can't.
I thought no one has power.
Some people had power.
That was part of the problem.
Some people didn't lose power, didn't lose anything.
And other people, that's what they think.
Like rich suburbs in Dallas, for a fact.
I got friends that are like, bro, I didn't like it.
Hotels or generators.
People were.
There is options.
Leaving the dog at the house, that's where I'm like, bro, there's options.
If we in the house together, I'm not looking at options.
We just trying to survive.
If I'm fucking escaping, leave the dog with somebody.
Don't just leave the motherfucker at the house alone.
Leave that dog in the house, bro.
Yeah.
I believe in it.
I mean, it makes more sense to leave it with somebody, but I'm so dug in on this argument that I'm like leaving the fucking.
Now who's the woman?
Now who's the woman?
Now I'm the woman.
Now I'm the woman.
You made me become a woman by you being so feminist about this argument.
That's what I'd be doing.
I know.
I know.
You're very good at it.
I transferred.
I transferred it.
I'm very good at feminizing.
I do that shit.
I do that shit, yo.
Listen, so you want the dog to be taken care of?
Sure.
Yes.
You can't empathize with someone who just wants to leave their dog and leave their responsibility so they can enjoy Cancun.
You did it in Aruba.
So you must be able to empathize.
Not like that.
No, no, no.
When you decide to put your dog somewhere else, you go to Aruba, what were you thinking?
What would be best for the dog or what would be best for you?
I got to go.
I can't bring this kid.
What's the best option where I can take a vacation and he's taken care of?
It's a dog.
It's not a kid.
And you could bring a...
You could bring it.
You could find a hotel that allows it.
Accommodates dogs.
No, if you're trying.
And this is where Cancun, it's valid.
If you're like international, it's just different.
They're not like, you got to have like different shit.
You got to try a little harder.
You might have to do it.
You got to care a little bit more.
We'd like to.
Oh, it was too last minute.
Yeah, yeah.
You were just thinking about you guys.
So that's where I can understand.
Why don't you think about it ahead of time and think about your dog?
Do you care about your kid?
I'm sorry, your kid.
But that's where I can understand.
You're your child with some random people.
That's where I can understand.
I'm Claire, New Jersey.
Vacationing With Your Dog00:06:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know the pup factory.
People leave their kids with a child.
They probably make glue out of your dog, bro.
People leave their kids with babysitters?
Say what?
People leave their kids with babysitters.
I'm sorry.
White people.
No, White people get away with it.
No, no, no, let's go back on this babysitter thing.
I can't wait.
I can't wait.
No, People leave with babysitters.
Let's go back to the old podcast.
Only white people leave their kids with babies.
Indians, we would never leave our kids.
We love our kids so much.
We leave it with relatives.
I got money now.
I can't keep back an Indian all the time.
I got to be a little white.
Market.
Market.
I love it.
I love it.
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AOC was literally handing out turkeys in Ted Cruz's neighborhood, bro.
And it was a brilliant political move because is she doing it to kind of like grift off the situation?
Sure.
But everybody's okay with grifting if there are people benefiting from it.
For example, if you're a rich person and you give a lot of money to charity, nobody cares that you're writing it off in taxes because there are so many people that are taking advantage of that charitable donation.
So she raised millions of dollars.
She's leaning into this, but she's basically digging Cruz's grave right now.
Every million it goes up, that grave gets a foot deeper.
It's over for that moment.
Brilliant.
But keep in mind, remember she said Ted Cruz, she blamed him for what happened to her?
She was like, Ted Cruz reminds me of the guy who sexually assaulted me.
Do you guys remember that?
She said a few of the senators who were inciting, she felt like we're inciting the riots and then telling people to get over it.
She was like, that reminds me of the guy who assaulted me or when I was younger and just telling me to get over these things.
Do you guys remember what I'm talking about?
I thought, I don't know the full clarify though.
Yeah, well, she also blamed Cruz and other folks for allowing her to be exposed to potentially getting murdered, but then she like clapped back at him when he agreed to her tweet about the congressional look into GameStop and all of that.
And she brought it back again, like, oh, I don't care that you agree with me.
You almost had me murdered.
Right, That was a point where, like, yeah, Texas.
So this is a personal vendetta, but this is a savvy political chick, bro.
You can savvy with she a star.
She a fucking star, dude.
She's savvy, dude.
She's fucking savvy.
She's not dumb.
She's not dumb.
She knows what she's doing.
And she's, it's even not even beyond the Ted Cruz thing, is the biggest thing, but also it's a red state where they're going to be inclined to hate her.
But as somebody whose parents are stuck, yo, God bless her.
You're the best.
You can flip people like that.
Yeah.
Nobody in Texas.
Yeah.
The easiest way to get people on your side is to give them money.
Yes.
Andrew Yang went from nowhere.
Right.
Like, who the fuck is Andrew Yang?
Right?
Asian dude out of nowhere becomes a presidential candidate just by saying, I want to give everybody $1,000.
Literally, all he goes, I want to give everybody, I believe in universal basic income.
People are like, I don't know what the fuck that is.
You want $1,000?
Bro.
Yeah.
This fucking Chinese guy's smart.
This guy's genius.
I love this Chinese.
Yang gang.
Yang gang.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Remember?
Yang gang.
Yeah.
I didn't know.
All he listened.
Do you know a single policy of his outside of I want to give everybody a thousand dollars?
No, absolutely not.
Automation, he knows is bad.
I'm with that.
And he's smart.
He probably knows a bunch of shit.
Maybe he was a businessman.
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
He's running for mayor of New York.
Everybody in New York is like, I think I like this guy.
Not because he's walking in bodegas and grabbing fucking fruit salad.
He's going to give everybody $1,000.
Even if he hasn't said that, everybody in New York is like, oh, yeah, the Chinaman is going to give us $1,000.
We got to vote for that guy.
If you give people money, they like you.
Yep.
Very simple.
Yep.
And this chick, AOC, is out there handing out ducats in Ted Cruz's backyard.
It's unbelievable.
It's actually better than turkeys.
Like, if instead of turkeys, you were just handing people $100 bills, don't you think they'd like them a lot?
Go to the Boston market, save $80, live a great life.
What fuck?
What poor person got a big enough oven to fit a 20-pound turkey?
No, but she's a frozen turkey that down the next block they're trying to sell.
They're flipping turkeys.
Yep.
Dude.
Anyway, so she's a fucking savvy chick, this girl.
She's a star, and Ted Cruz is getting cucked out.
King Cuck, getting cucked out in your own state by your biggest political rival.
That's so true.
Oh my God.
This guy just watching her give out money and then he's like, here, you want some shitty bottle of water?
You can't even get motherfuckers a sent you.
No way.
That's right.
He's giving the water with the salt in it.
He was giving the Publix brand.
You're giving Publix water out there, bro.
So the crazy shit about AOC also, or maybe this is the thing with Ted Cruz, is like he's completely devoid of understanding social interaction.
So he could be like on the spectrum a bit.
Like he understands how to play the character of a human being.
Like anytime you see him talking, you're like, oh, he's playing a character of a human being.
You know, it's like almost like a comic that has like a fake voice.
You're like, oh, there's a funny character you're playing, but it's not really you.
Right.
Will Farrell is great at this.
Now, so if you look at him through that lens, he can be smart and completely devoid of any rationale as to how this could affect him negatively.
He's just looking at it like a robot.
He's like, well, if I move out of my house and go to a hotel, how's that different than if I move out of my house and go to Cancun?
Like, they have internet in Cancun.
They have internet in my hotel here.
I can't meet with people because of COVID.
So what's the difference?
I can get my work done in a hotel in Cancun, or I can get my work done in the hotel in downtown Dallas, wherever the fuck he lives.
Kanye As A Fake Character00:15:21
Right?
I mean, I can see how an autistic person or a spectrum person would go through that logic and go, yeah, it's not that bad.
I just think he's a coward, but I could, fair.
I'm just afraid of it.
But if he was a coward, he wouldn't go.
If he was a coward, he'd be so terrified.
Cowards live in fear, right?
They live in fear of public perception.
They live in terror and fear of being actually physically harmed.
He would be fearful of the physical harm or emotional harm.
He's so autistic, it doesn't occur to him that part, but he's also like, I'm, or so socially stupid, but he's also like, I'm cold.
I don't want to be cold.
I'm not sitting here for this.
I'm getting the fuck out.
Right.
Some coward, cowardly shit, though.
I guess what I'm trying to say.
You know why we want him to stay?
Because misery loves company.
My parents are miserable.
Motherfucker, you miserable.
Yeah.
You the senator.
You miserable, dude.
Fucking petty, bro.
Patrice said the best shit about Bush.
He goes, I love Bush.
And they were like, why?
He goes, he goes, this is after the 9-11 shit.
He goes, he goes, he goes, because his whole shit is, if we, if we die, everybody dies.
Yeah.
And that's lit.
If we gonna die, everybody's gonna die.
Yeah.
So I love the misery love company.
That shit is, that shit is.
I'm just trying to find some rationale.
Okay.
So let's move on.
What else was Kim and Kanye?
Okay, Kim and Kanye.
Game over.
Game over.
Thoughts?
I mean, we saw it coming, I guess, for a while.
I think Kim.
Who's next?
Is the only thing I've been wondering?
I think it's Drake, right?
It's got to be Drake.
There's only one way to go.
Only one way to go.
And it's such the Kardashian move.
And it's such the Drake move.
Because Drake, we talked about dancing on Greys.
Drake will dance on your shit.
He don't give a fuck.
Drake is a killer.
Yeah.
I didn't even put that together.
Like his beat with Kanye.
Oh, he wants it, bro.
Yeah.
He's a little friends with the Kardashian.
Oh, yeah.
That's the neighbors.
They were all homies.
Yeah, and he's been alluding to it for a while, but now that it's donezo, it's the perfect move for both of them.
He already alluded that he fucker.
Yeah, but now there's no, there's no need to allude anymore.
Now you're single.
Now I can just openly be with you.
The J-Lo style post or whatever he did, even if it's not real.
Remember that post he had with J-Lo where it looked like they had been fucking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He could do the exact same thing with Kim.
Not that one.
I forgot.
They're all snuggled up.
I think they're wearing bathrobes or some shit like that.
Yeah.
Something.
It was like a couple years ago.
He came out to her residency in Vegas and they would hang out.
A picture like that.
You're both in robes.
And they know what they're doing.
They're like, yo, let's shake up the internet for a day.
Gosh.
You could do the same shit.
And who's more willing to do that than Kim?
And she always moves up.
Yeah.
This is.
I don't know about fame or any of that shit, but Drake is a mega megastar who's seen as sane and cool and all of that shit.
And like, that's the, that's the only, only chess move left.
And it's checkmate, really.
Is it weird that like with there's much to criticize about the Kardashians, don't get me wrong.
Okay.
But with Kim, specifically, and Kanye, I think she's the victim.
Without a doubt.
Like, like, we could talk about all the things that the Kardashians do that are potentially disgusting.
Yep.
But in this specific relationship, like, remove Kim as the person who came to fame through a sex tape and her mother essentially pimping that out and like them, you know, projecting this specific lifestyle and potentially using and cooking up this drama and destroying maybe people's lives on the way and profiting off of that, right?
Let's remove them from the Kardashians.
Specifically, Kim Kardashian with Kanye West.
Yeah.
If Kanye is crazy, which I think we believe is true.
Yep.
Mentally ill.
Mentally ill.
The politically correct podcast.
We're just calling fucking Ted Cruz a retard for 30 minutes.
But if Kanye is mentally ill, I know motherfuckers are mentally ill.
Yeah.
That shit is exhausting, bro.
Yeah, you have a different level of empathy for that.
Hey, this guy is driving tanks in Wyoming.
You got to just put up with him, want to go drive tanks in Myoming, support him along the way.
You bailed his broke ass out.
Think about this.
You marry this guy who's telling you he's a genius all the time, and he just keeps losing more and more millions.
And you're looking at him like, ain't looking too genius right about now, right?
Finally, you get him cooked up with some power players, right?
The scooters of the world.
Yeah.
To get the easy thing going, he becomes a billionaire.
Sure.
I don't know if he gets that connect and that gets that put together without Kim.
I don't know if they.
It's interesting.
I don't know.
He had enough to bring all of those people to him before the Kardashians came around.
That's wild, dog.
That was disgusting.
That shit grossed me out.
I felt like a Kardashian.
I was looking like Kendall.
When you get that out from Bash Milma?
I might have.
I got it at Bash.
What was their store back in the day?
Bash.
Bash.
I got it.
So I think Kim is definitely the victim.
I'm surprised they lasted that long.
Yeah.
And we're losing victim.
We're using victim loosely here.
She's dealing with a horrible person to be with.
She's the hero.
She's dealing with a crazy human being.
Yeah, all these terms are relative.
Yeah, yeah.
I guess that's what I'm saying.
I don't want to exaggerate.
There are women.
It's tough for me to feel bad for any Kardashian because I don't look at them as human beings.
But if I put on the glasses of this is an actual human being with a soul, I see how she's the victim.
This is the only way I look at it.
If she didn't have kids, I'd be like, you're an idiot.
Like, why are you staying with this guy?
Why does she keep having kids, though?
I think she loves having kids, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a woman.
That's what they do.
Cute kids, too.
Yeah, and they make some cute kids.
So, so here's the thing.
Like, you love, potentially you love this guy.
Yeah, she definitely has to.
Who's crazy, right?
You stay with him, you rock with him, he's broke, fucking your whole brand up.
You could clip that off.
It's not like she hasn't clipped motherfuckers before.
He's doing crazy shit that makes your brand look stupid.
One second.
She make the MAGA shit made her look crazy.
She's trying to get goodwill in the black community for fucking decades.
What do I have to do?
I'm getting black guys out of jail.
And then all of a sudden, my black husband, who's the father of my half black kids, is walking around a fucking MAGA head.
What the fuck are you doing?
I push back on that.
Whoa.
What is it to push back on?
Because every bit of controversy does help their brand.
I mean, she started.
She started her past.
I'm telling you, yes, they have found a way to monetize interest.
I agree with what you're saying right here, Akash.
Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is if they have eyeballs, they make money.
It doesn't matter if they're good or bad.
I think they are keenly aware of that and do a lot of things to get eyeballs.
100%.
I also do think she's been doing a lot to curry favor within the black community specifically of late, getting the criminal justice reform.
She's rebranding herself.
That's why I feel worse for her because she's actually, we can see the work that she's done to rebuild.
This ain't legally blonde, bitch.
Sit your ass down.
But I mean, like, she's not so focused on just like breaking the internet and shit like that.
Like, she's just a mom who loves her kids and who's been trying to make her marriage work.
She really hasn't been doing all the fucking bullshit she used to do in the past.
So that's the only reason why I feel sorry for her because she's actually tried to get in and made.
No, I feel sorry for her.
I don't feel sorry.
I feel sorry for her.
So that's not what she signed up for.
I'm also fine.
I believe in Dog.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
I would be totally okay with that if they were there.
But they did live apart for a good part of the last three years.
He was living in Wyoming.
She's living in LA.
Like, they weren't even living together.
So that's fire.
That's fire.
This guy's crazy.
That's fire, dawg.
This guy's crazy.
She's like, I'm driving a fucking tank, Dolo.
Just living her life.
So point is, I don't know.
I don't know.
Like, I'm looking at this situation and I actually am like, yo, she was a ride or die ass chick for this fucking crazy egomaniac who did nothing positive for if she's, if the premise is, all I do is care about the brand and all I want to do is do more shit for the brand did nothing positive for the brand.
Nah, it definitely helped the brand in the beginning.
You did Kanye.
Linking up with Kim legitimized her from just being like some athletes, bitch persona, that's like on Instagram and shit like that.
Like she became high fashion after Kanye so it boosted her brand.
But then she capitalized off that and created an empire with it.
So Kanye definitely helped her because we were looking at we were looking at her like before.
Who were her guys?
Reggie Bush, who was a college star, fine as a pro, nothing crazy miles.
Austin couple, good years, and.
And then she married Chris Humphrey.
Yeah.
Come on.
My man is like selling houses or something.
Yo, you know what's crazy?
It's like she could have really liked them, yo.
Like she could have liked that.
Like this is, this is how fucked up we are, right?
Is we're like, yo, you didn't just gold dig and go after the most successful famous person, you idiot.
When, when we should be looking at her going, oh, shit.
She actually found some guys that weren't the best, but maybe they had a cool personality and they connected and that's why she fucked with them.
And we're criticizing her for that.
We're criticizing her for what we wish every girl would do.
I'm actually not.
Like a dude's personality.
I'm not.
I'm not with Chris Humphreys because of how good he is.
I'm not criticizing her.
I'm making fun of them.
You had bum dudes.
That's fine.
You had bum dudes.
Great.
You loved him.
I don't, that's like.
How you making fun of them?
They got to fuck Kim Kardashians getting six rebounds a game.
Yeah, I'm just making fun of their skill level.
That's it.
As a pleasant athlete.
But for the brand, you're not elevated.
You're not elevated marrying Chris Humphrey.
You're not like, oh, shit, Chris, Kim Kardashian got Chris Humphrey.
You're making my point.
Exactly.
No, so I can agree with your point.
I'm just saying, even then, to agree with Alex's point, then when you get with Kanye, now you're a different person.
Yeah.
You go from...
I'm talking about Kim now, but Kim, when she was with Chris Humphreys, we like some people wouldn't want it to fuck her.
She had a sex tape out.
Like, that was her claim to fame.
Who would want to wife that?
A lot of people would have wife.
Mad stank on her.
Like, nobody did.
There you go.
Now that's a great argument.
Kanye removed the sex tape stank.
I'll give you that 100%.
Empire blew up after that.
So there was still the stench of the sex tape.
Even though the sex tape became like a popular way to become famous, you know, we saw a lot of girls do it.
There was still a stench of it, right?
And they had their TV show and there was this home family and you got to, you know, understand them and meet them and they seemed normal and they said Bible after to promise something like that.
She didn't say that before she was taken to Dangle.
But in all seriousness, she goes and gets with Kanye and all of a sudden he removes that stench.
And that is invaluable.
And I wonder if that was by design on her behalf.
And I wonder if his ego was also going.
A little part of him was like, you know how like a chef goes, yo, I could turn this parsnip into a steak.
Yeah.
I could sell that shit for $100 because I'm so nice at being a chef.
These motherfuckers will eat a parsnip steak.
And I wonder if he was like, I could turn this slut.
I could turn this sex tape slut who fucked, you know, wide receivers that barely in the league still into the most desired woman on the planet and remove the stench of that sex tape.
Have her talk in the presidents.
I wonder if that was his ego tapping in.
Maybe.
Because he claimed to do that for Amber.
And he would remember when him and Kim first got together?
He would dress Kim.
Son, he was obsessed with her for a while.
Son, Kanye.
He made her.
That's how I take.
She's mentally ill.
Yo, go on.
I mean, listen, you in love with this Kim Kardashian?
You obsessed with Kim Kardashian?
Writing diss songs for Chris Humphreys?
Before that, it was Amber.
Nah, diss songs for Chris Humphreys is hilarious.
Diss songs with Chris Humphreys.
That's his lunatic behavior.
You posted stats.
You don't need to do a whole song.
You don't need to whoops.
He want the song, bro.
That ill-ass beat, you know what I'm saying?
Chris Humphreys listening to that shit like, really, bro?
Come on, man.
I'm already me, bro.
I don't know.
I'm listening to that shit.
Like, I made it.
I made it.
This is the greatest thing.
Nah, he's like, you're bullying me now, bro.
You're bullying me, bro.
They put me on TV for half a season and she divorced me for ratings.
Yo, bro.
That's desperate.
They made him look like an asshole.
Yo, but Kanye takes bodies off of your belt.
Yeah.
Like, everybody, if you're a girl and you got a hundred bodies, right?
You got a hundred dicks, is what I'm basically trying to say.
Kanye knocks off 90% of your dicks.
If the slut march was a person, it would be Kanye West.
Here's the thing: he ends up a slut.
Well, that's a hilarious observation.
Slut March leans into being a slut.
Kanye removes your slut.
I don't know if he's still got the clout to do it, but at one point in time, he had enough clout to make people forget that you were a stripper, forget that you might have done some sex for money, who knows?
And forget that you had a fucking sex tape out.
That's clout.
When your dick cleanses a bitch, your dick cleanses bitches, bro.
You're dipping them in holy water.
Holy water.
Jesus walks.
Yo, he's real tall.
Baptizing bitches.
Baptizing these hoes, man.
Kanye is the gold.
Hallelujah for hoes.
You say you put your dick and a girl and there's one more body.
He puts his dick in girls.
Pulls out bodies.
Pulls out bodies.
Holy shit.
He's got that motor combo, motor combat scorpion dick right now.
Get over here.
Finish her.
Wow, dude.
That is.
I mean, I don't even know if Kanye knows this about himself.
Yeah, he probably doesn't.
He would have bragged about it already.
He says, I made these bitches famous.
He never said I made these bitches virgins.
I made these bitches bodiless.
I made these bitches slutless.
He removes your slut.
I hope he hears this.
He got to put this in the next track.
He does.
That's an amazing ability.
Yo, you think single Kanye is going to put out good music?
No.
He's driving tanks in Wyoming.
I can't wait for 808.
That makes him fire, bro.
I don't think he's heartbroken enough.
Kanye Removes Your Slut00:05:24
What?
I don't think he's heartbroken enough.
All right.
And I don't.
I'm worried if he don't off himself, real talk.
Well, if he offs himself off himself, I don't think it will be off of, I don't think it will be off of Kim.
And I'll tell you what.
He's not heartbroken, but he'll off himself.
Not off of Kanye.
He's off himself himself.
That's not the point.
He's just off himself.
Like, somebody will go to him and be like, bro, you're not that genius, bro.
You just go boom, boom, bap on a fucking soundmaker.
You know what I mean?
Like, this guy really compared himself to fucking Elon Musk.
And we bought in.
This is what Kanye does.
We bought in.
Bangers.
That's it.
And then sing shitty.
Nah, stop it.
I've never.
Stop it.
Don't do that.
We bought into the Kanye genius and that you would drive me crazy.
Don't do that.
I was working out to him yesterday.
Yeah, come on, son.
That motherfucker got some hits.
I could love you on music and you might be a genius.
I felt a little less slutty after working out.
There we go.
I did, bro.
I really did.
Yo, you put Kanye on at a party.
You could put Kanye on the hood.
You could put Kanye on in a bougie ass party.
Kanye's in and out.
Kanye's in and out.
You could have In N Out at some fancy fuck.
If you brought In N Out to some fancy party in Star Island in Miami, people would lose their fucking minds, bro.
They would go, we got an In-N-Out truck at the, how'd you get this here?
It's $5 hamburgers.
These motherfuckers are billionaires.
They will lose their minds, right?
In and out, for whatever reason, crosses all class boundaries.
Okay, I'm with you.
Keep going.
In and out, you could put him at the bougie.
I mean, in and out.
Kanye West, you could put on a Kanye West mix at the most bougie party or the hood.
Nobody's mad.
White people love Gold Digger.
White people love Gold Digger looking at their wives.
They're sitting on the couch looking at their wives like, bitch, you done did it.
I'm proud of you, bitch.
But isn't that true?
Yeah, yeah.
Poke holes if they're there.
Absolutely.
Nah, that's valid.
That's valid.
Did it take Kanye and Kim getting divorced for me to realize how dope Kanye is?
I think so.
No, you know what it is?
Kanye, but you know what it is?
I don't agree with the reasons why Kanye believes he's dope.
Okay, now I'm with you.
Keep going.
So Kanye is like, oh my God, I'm like the most amazing music.
Fashion.
Fashion.
Who cares?
I don't care about those things.
But, and I've seen better clothes.
I've heard better music.
He's a great producer.
I'm not going to be a good person.
Is he not going to be influential with fashion?
I don't even think he was at least.
Oh, no, no, you're right.
I agree with you in terms of influence.
I don't think he's innovative.
I think he's influential.
Influential.
Very.
So he'll take some shit that exists and use his influence.
And he wears it.
A great.
Old fashion.
Why are you digging?
Why are you putting holes in a great shot?
I understand this old-fashioned.
Why are you walking?
He's making me walk like Jack Sparrow, bro.
I got to avoid these little landmines and things.
You know how Jack Sparrow be walking like this, jumping back and forth.
That's what I'm doing right now.
But that's a very important distinction.
What Akash just said.
Not innovative.
Influential.
And that is my, that is why I give pushback whenever he refers to himself as a genius because he's comparing himself to people who are innovative, not influential.
But what he did with the church thing was pretty innovative, bringing that back.
Capitalize on God.
That's been done many times.
Hold on, but you're saying his style of it.
Going to church on a Sunday and playing singing.
But like he changed.
Black people haven't been doing that for a minute.
How long black people been going to church?
Not even going to that Puerto Rican ass church.
Hold on.
How long black people can go to church on Sunday and sang it?
How long black people are made of fire?
He's making it popular.
Usually he steals our shit.
Now he's stealing your shit.
Let me tell you something.
This Jewish guy wanted to go to Sunday service.
Yeah, but you never been to black church.
Black church service slaps.
I want to go to church.
I should be slapping.
Kanye church service slapped less than the average AME.
I'll tell you that right now.
I'm going to give a pushback on that one, bro.
I was with you up until you said that shit.
I don't like any of y'all.
Be honest.
I got to suck my dick, to be honest with you.
I'll tell you one thing.
If I suck your dick, you a hoe, bro.
God, they can't remove that dick, right?
Ain't nothing.
Yo, can Kanye fuck a dude and then they not gay no more?
No, probably.
Holy shit.
Probably.
Holy shit.
Yo.
Probably ask Jeffree Star.
What's good?
Yo, maybe that's the Jeffree Star movie.
Jeffree Star was like, how do I get these bodies off of me, bro?
I got too many bodies.
And Kanye was like, hold my tapioca soda.
Whatever he be drinking, bro.
You know he wants a new shit.
Tapioca soda?
Sounded hot, bro.
You know what?
Tapioca.
That's just sound like a Jack Johnson song, right?
I just thought he was rich, so that's what you're drinking.
And I didn't want it before God left.
I'm like, damn, I'm that poor tapioca soda.
Tapioca soda, son.
Tapioca soda, bro.
Y'all don't even know about that.
That comes with the watches, too?
She did.
I got to see that shit.
Oh, shit.
I got to get this back to my girl by four.
She's like, okay.
So there's the discrepancy.
I understand Kanye's greatness, and it's for none of the reasons why Kanye believes he's great.
That's a great way of putting it.
That's a great way of putting it.
Supporting Our Own Until Success00:13:29
And then I think it's almost like...
You understand Kanye's genius, I think, right?
Because his music is great.
He makes great music, but that's it.
I can only give him the credit for genius if it's intentional.
And I don't know if what he's doing is intentional because his greatness is not what he takes pride in.
So I think that he, the things he takes pride in, I'm like, eh, about.
But by acting the way he does and creating the way that he creates or influencing the way he creates, it has a monumental side effect that I think is fucking unbelievable that I don't know if he's aware of.
Right.
And I wonder if he was like, Yeah, actually, I just do all this other marketing shit so I can really do this.
I'd be like, you the motherfucking, you're right.
Go stand up there with Bezos and stand up there with Musk.
And you got it.
You got it.
You done fooled me, bro.
Yeah.
You got it.
Right.
I don't know if that's what he's saying.
But maybe.
It could be.
I'm literally, as we're talking right now, doing a 180 on Kanye, but it's not for the reasons Kanye says.
That's bad.
Because it's undeniable.
His, it's influence.
Oh, he's incredibly influenced.
That's what it is.
It's fucking influence.
And of course, him and Kim created a.
What is her actual.
She's an influencer.
She's the influencer.
He is the influencer.
And both of them together created a mega church of influence.
But then he started fucking up the brand.
And he started fucking up the goddamn brand.
Holy shit.
That was the mega church of fucking influence.
Whatever they wore, it was unbelievable.
Yeah.
Weren't they the ones that made Champion hot?
Like they just started wearing champion and then all of a sudden this shit is that right?
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Anything before we move on?
I think you got that point.
So you know how you guys said that if Drake gets with Kim, that would kill Kanye.
I think what would kill him even more is if Beyonce and Jay-Z become cool with Kanye.
I mean, become cool with the Kardashian.
Okay, go.
Because he has, for the last decade, been trying to get back in Jay-Z's good graces.
And then, like, it kills him that they don't fuck with him at all.
And Beyonce doesn't like Kim.
That's why they didn't go to the wedding.
That's kind of what created their little beef to begin with.
Yes.
And so now.
I've been filled in on this.
It's because Kim is cool with Rachel Roy.
And that's the guy that Jay-Z cheated with.
Girl, girl.
Yeah, the girl that Jay-Z cheated with.
No, I didn't hear that part.
I'm sorry.
I'm not in the gay circle.
Hey, bro.
We got the tea in the gay circle.
We got the tea, we got the dick, we got the cum.
We got it.
We sipping on all of it.
Yeah, so that would kill him.
I hope that doesn't happen because that would kill Kanye.
I don't think Beyonce would do that.
I actually never fucked with Kim.
I think Kanye will be back cool with Jay again.
Oh, now that they.
Yeah, the reason they don't hang out is because my wife don't like your wife.
Now you divorced.
We good.
Yeah, but Kanye has done too many things to piss Jay off and shit like that.
But Jay, I think, also knows how good it would look if he took Kanye back in this moment.
Kanye's a broken man.
And Jay is the capitalist.
Yo, Jay's a genius.
Jay's a genius, though.
That's a genius.
That's a genius.
You know why I appreciate Jay?
Is because he's so transparent with his fraudulence.
Yes.
That like, you're like, all right, I get it.
Like, he'd be like, we got like, yo, we gotta, we gotta support our own.
You know what I mean?
Like, I got a product that's black owned.
We gotta support our own until it's successful enough for me to sell it to some white motherfuckers that be oppressing us.
Like, literally, he's like, why are you buying that other champagne?
Right?
They look down on us.
And just recently, he sold the 50% stake of Ace of Spades to Moe and whatever.
Moay Hennessy.
Moay Hennessy, right?
So it's just hilarious.
Like, he's a G, like when he was trying to sell off title.
Yo, this is our shit that I'm trying to sell over here to Samsung, whoever the fuck was she was trying to sell it to.
But I just respect it because I know what he's doing.
He's a capitalist.
He's a capitalist.
He never pretended to be anything but a capitalist.
Boom.
Exactly.
And now I understand he's fraudulent, but you could also make an argument, be like, yeah, but he's still bailing motherfuckers out of jail for these marches when they get arrested.
Like he's still putting his money where his mouth is.
But Jay-Z will always do the financial thing.
Yes.
And he hasn't claimed, he hasn't caught out and be like, like, he'll do that shit where he bails out the people, but he doesn't announce it.
Like, I'm an activist.
I'm a great guy.
Yep.
He does that on the low.
That's the shit he wants to do that he feels comfortable doing.
And then he goes out and gets his money at whatever cost.
He had that one line in Moment of Clarity addressing it where he basically said, like, I can't give back to the poor if I'm one of them.
So I get rich and get back to me.
That give back to them.
That's the point.
That's a win-win.
Yeah.
Something like that.
So that's his move.
He announced it.
Actually, I don't like that line.
Why not?
Because it makes it.
He had one line addressing what he does.
But it makes it seem like that's his intention is to give back to the poor.
It's not his intention.
His intention is to be a capitalist, which is great.
Yeah, but the win-win means we both win.
Win-win.
You're right.
You're right.
Okay.
Okay.
I guess what I'm saying is I didn't like the positioning as if his sole purpose of getting money was to give back to the poor because that's not the sole purpose.
But he is saying, if I get money, I'm also going to be able to give back.
So motherfuckers are going to be a little bit better off.
That's basically who he's been this whole time.
I get rich, I get back a little bit.
You got it.
That's the win-win.
I wonder if we're the minority.
And I wonder if the people listening to this podcast also fit into that, where it's like we prefer the overt honesty.
Yes.
Or if it isn't the overt honesty, we prefer you not to be publicly fraudulent.
Yes.
So even if you say nothing and we just judge you by your actions, I could be like, all right, you leaving your cards on the table.
Yeah.
You're going, hey, buy this thing because it's for us.
But then you're selling it.
You're like, okay, I see he's a businessman.
He's trying to get his money.
I do your thing.
Yeah.
Right?
The people who go, I'm an activist and we need to stand up and we need to do all these other things.
The second day, the second they divert even the slightest bit from that character, you're like, oh, you phony.
You fucking phony.
You lied to me.
Whereas if you just leave your cards on the table, we get to decide who you are.
Hey, we the number one ain't shit motherfuckers in the world.
Yeah.
I'll tell you right now, we ain't shit.
We sell out.
We sold out.
Some we got fake money on the podcast.
We love money so much, we got the fake one.
100%.
I mean, we would have the real one, but it's expensive to have it.
We need to be more capitalist.
Yeah, it's so, it's so counterintuitive, isn't it?
That like the brutal honesty is actually more supportive.
Like this kind of comes off of the Kardashian shit a little bit.
And you were tapping into this when you were talking about like that.
They just want eyeballs.
They can monetize it.
They can monetize it, but there are going to be people, a certain percentage of the people that they are monetizing or whose eyeballs they have that are praying for the downfall.
Right.
And that's what happens when you brag without context or skill.
Right?
It's like we can root for the people who have things, right?
Like, I don't ever not root for Lil Duval.
The guys on islands and the Bahamas and flying planes, but I root for him.
Right?
I don't hope for his downfall in the least.
I want him to succeed.
Right.
But there are also people like maybe the Tekashi69s and these types of people who like, there are people who want him to get probably even killed for what he's saying.
They want him to get beat up.
They want to do whatever.
Regardless, our eyeballs can't stay away from it.
We're drawn to the fancy things.
We're drawn to the interesting things.
What is the difference between a guy like Lil Duval and a guy like Takashi or like or the Kardashians where you're drawn to them?
The girls watch them.
The girls buy what they promote.
Yet still, almost every girl is happy to see them fail.
I don't know.
I'll give you an example.
Kendall Jenner brings out the tequila brand 818, right?
And she's totally fake in the way that she promotes it.
I put this tequila brand through all 60 different competitions for tequila and all this other stuff.
And then people do some research.
And she's like, I've been developing this tequila for over three years.
People do a little research and like, apparently it takes seven years to develop tequila.
Right?
Apparently, her tequila is made at this factory that 60 other tequilas are made at.
So they just went, found a distributor, put their name on it, and went out.
The reason people are upset at her is because she put herself in a position to fail.
Yeah.
Right?
Sorry, that's not the reason they're upset, but she lied.
Yeah.
And people couldn't wait to take her down.
Yeah.
Why could they not wait?
Is it because they don't believe that her fame is justified?
No, I think, like you said, it's because we hate the fraudulents.
If she would have just said, hey, guys, they're paying me to put my face on a tequila, we would have respected that way more.
Son, I really think it's a terrifying proposition, right?
You've put all this money into a brand, or maybe they haven't put money, but like you put all this time or whatever.
It's a terrifying proposition, to be honest.
It's absolutely terrifying for a lot of people, right?
It's terrifying for me.
It's terrifying for most of us.
That's actually, we'll get to it later, but that's a great segue into why Patrice was amazing.
Yep.
Honesty at all costs.
It costs, to be honest.
Cost, to be honest, but it provides.
In the end.
I think in the immediate.
We'll talk about Patrice's honesty when we get to that.
But let's just talk about this.
Yeah.
So it's like Cardi, for example.
Yep.
She was super honest.
Takes so much criticism and pushback and makes her life more difficult.
But her rise to fame was like immediate, super fast.
I think Jay-Z has learned to shut up.
Cardi is a perfect example because people were so happy for her success.
Yeah.
As long as she was that honest Cardi.
Yeah.
Come out with video, bitch, I don't care.
I chipped my nail.
I'm not going to pay for a whole new fucking set of nails.
I just paid $200 for this shit.
I can't do that shit.
If you broke my nail, like, I'll walk around with a broken ass nail.
And then girls were like, oh my God, I love her.
She walks around with broken nails.
It's the coolest thing, whatever.
And I think when Cardi started to experience pushback is when she started to do things.
The fraudulent.
Yeah, when she started to get political.
She started to get political.
Even if she does truly care about these issues, it seemed as if she was using her persona to push an agenda instead of just honestly reacting to her environment.
Yeah.
Right.
It wasn't like she was out there like, man, I don't really fuck with Bernie's tax plan because I'm trying to save money, which she probably is trying to save money.
Yeah.
It seemed like she was just riding the wave of whatever that was.
Yeah.
And that's when I think that you experience that pushback, right?
It's like when we know that there's a disconnect, there's some fraudulence there.
Why is it that when people get to that level, they can't continue to ride the honesty that got them there?
Or is honesty too costly at a certain level?
It is costly to those others at that level.
Advertisers don't want a lot of advertising, it's all not honesty.
It's all dishonest, essentially.
I remember somebody brought up the slogan back in the day: choosy moms, choose Jif.
Gif peanut butter sucks, but that slogan literally says, if you don't get Jif peanut butter, you're a bad mom.
Honesty Even If You Hate It00:10:51
That's the fucking slogan.
Yeah.
All advertising is we're trying to lie to you to get you to get this product.
And if we're associated with motherfuckers who are too honest, that's dangerous.
Look at all the pushback LeBron got for it.
Like when he didn't do anything with China, people are coming at him because like, hey, what you're Mr. Socially Conscious, let's be pro-black.
And now when these people are suffering over there, you're for it.
Like you have nothing to say.
You don't want to affect your pockets.
And we've looked at that shit as fraudulent.
It's fake.
Like you're pussy for doing it.
Because he's just so big that any little thing he says or doesn't even say can hurt his.
Because he's so, this is interesting.
He's so vocal.
Yeah.
But he is so vocal.
So we expected that same level when it came to this other issue that was similar in nature to the issues he's so vocal about.
And it looked as if he chose his pockets over being vocal.
So here's a question.
Do we often conflate honesty and being critical of something that could hurt you for being critical of it?
Say that again.
So like the example that I can think of right now, and for whatever reason it worked out, but is like, I'm sure, at least in the comedy community, the average person probably couldn't give a fuck.
But when I was like, yo, Netflix is done at a time where everybody was trying to get a Netflix special, I'm sure there are people in the comedy community that were like, yo, he's truthful.
He don't give a fuck.
He'll say whatever.
Because what I was saying was costly.
Yeah.
Okay.
To me.
Yeah.
So anytime you say something that can cost you money, there's immediate truth that's attached to it from the from the perceiver.
Anything you do.
And it clearly wasn't honest because motherfucker got a Netflix special.
Ken Kang Kang Kang.
But it was honest in the moment.
I was wrong, but it was what I honestly felt in the moment.
But like, for example, when the fuck.
But Kanye, for example, when he was like, George Bush don't care about black people.
Yeah, that's one of the greatest moments.
Great moment.
Media history.
Even when he went up and did the whole, what's the blonde chick's name?
Taylor Swift shit, right?
It's like, we trusted that so much because what he did could have cost him.
We thought, like, yo, this doesn't benefit him in any way.
Yeah.
I trust this man.
He keeps doing things because they are the quote-unquote right things to do.
I don't know if it's right to do that to Taylor Swift or not, but like, or if he's even right to say about George Bush or not, it's a weird indictment.
I don't know if you can prove, right?
There's an immediate trust that's put.
It's like the waiter telling you one of the menu items is trash.
Yeah.
Like you ever ask the waiter, like, right?
You're like, yo, like, is there anything?
What about the lasagna?
And the waiter does that shit, like, yo, I'll be honest with you.
Like, lasagna is trying to garbage.
Like, I want to fuck with lasagna.
After a waiter says that to you, I'm like, I'll trust this man with my child.
I'll trust this man with my dog.
I'll leave my dog.
When I go to Cancun, I'm leaving my dog with the waiter that told me the lasagna is trash.
You don't care about his dog that much.
So I can't wait to leave my dog this weekend.
I'm going to take a picture as I drive away in the three-series.
But you know what I mean?
It's like, I feel like oftentimes we could conflate those two things.
You know, like there might be people that are just saying outlandish shit for attention purposes, not because they believe in it.
Like, is what Takashi69 is doing right now a perfect example of that?
He's calling out all these people, and it's wildly entertaining.
He's calling out all these respects.
I don't respect it because it's not, to your point, it doesn't cost you anything.
It earns you something.
This is your ticket to fame or money or whatever.
This is an end for you.
I'm just going to draw all the eyeballs, negative or positive attention.
To your point, that's why I don't respect the Kardashians.
Positive or negative, it all benefits them.
So whenever you do shit for attention or say something wild or do something wild, it's like, that's what you do.
But the initial idea with Takashi saying this, initially, there was truth there.
We thought, right?
We're like, oh shit, this guy is willing to call out all these other gangsters.
Some people start to believe, like, yo, this guy might be a super thug.
Like, it's the real, you calling out the crazy, you calling out the Chicago motherfuckers?
Like, yo, this guy's crazy.
He's, he's really about it.
He's really truthful.
And then the second time around, as he, as he's doing it, it still garners attention, but you see the fraudulence because you're like, oh, he's just using that.
Did you see his most recent thing he did?
Wild boy.
So he has the little interaction with Mickey.
Meek, yeah.
And he takes the clip, puts it in the video.
He inserts it in his music.
Yeah, it's great.
It's a brilliant move.
It's wildly corny.
I don't fuck with him, but that was a movie.
You didn't see what he did the FaceTime Live with the Chicago dudes?
Yeah.
That shit was crazy.
I didn't know the Chicago dude.
He's on FaceTime Live with all the Chicago goons, like one after another.
And he's just like, yo, don't talk tough because everybody kills your people and they don't end up getting killed.
Oh, shit.
And he said, rest in piss.
Oh, my God.
He's going to get killed.
Son, he's really asking to be killed.
Yeah.
I don't know why he's.
But is he taking advantage of like this natural human reaction?
Yes.
And I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
There is genius to that.
100%.
Geez.
He's like hacked the system.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, and we'll get this.
Is a cool segue into Patrice, but like, there is the ability to garner attention in that way.
I just, I just find that there is a distinction between like following somebody and like rooting for them and following someone and like hoping for their downfall.
And I'm curious if that's simply a function of success.
Like you like to ride it on the way up.
And the second it's up and things are doing well for that person that you were rooting for, you're like, man, fuck him.
I'm not there.
And then, or who are the people that?
Because if you look at even Lil Duval, there are people actively getting his Instagrams canceled.
Every time it comes back, they get gambled.
There are people that are fucking hating him.
What is that?
What is the distinction?
What is the turning point?
Where's the bell curve?
I think certain people like different things on to that point.
For Takashi, for me, maybe I'm just old, but from the beginning, I was like, oh, this kid just wants attention.
He's fucking entertaining and it's wild and it's scary.
And I'm watching, but I don't.
It's fraudulent to me.
He just wants attention.
Ultimate addiction to attention.
Yes.
That's what I'm saying.
He's willing to risk his life like heroin.
Motherfuckers are willing to risk their life to get that next shot.
He's literally willing to risk his life.
Now I'm like legit kind of starting to feel, and this is the oldest thing I'm going to ever say, but I like feel bad for the kid now.
Oh, you're bad addicted to this.
You need to risk your life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's actually a different, I remember when I was in college, I asked a couple of friends: would you rather be a good person, but everybody thinks you're not, or be a piece of shit and everybody thinks you're a good person.
For me, I don't care.
Everybody can think I'm a piece of shit.
If I know I'm a good person, I'm good with that.
The majority of people I asked was like six or seven people.
They were like, oh, I would rather be the piece of shit that everybody thinks is a good person.
There is a different wiring in people, I think.
I think there's two types.
Ones that are okay with the fraudulence and they like it.
I want you to be.
I like what you present.
I'm good with it, generally speaking.
And others are like, nah, generally speaking, I don't care if you're fake.
You're fuck you if you're fake.
I want honesty, even if I don't like it.
I think there are people who wired differently.
I don't know what the percentages are, but generally speaking, I think those are just two different wirings that people have.
Man, it's 100% true.
It's like dealing with that feeling.
Like, I felt that after the special.
Like, it was the first time that I put out content that I was getting all this like praise and accolades for that I wasn't solely responsible for the creation of the content.
Yeah.
So I felt a little bit of like an imposter syndrome feeling.
I was like, I didn't do this alone, but I'm being treated as if I did because I'm the one who said it.
And I tried to be as vocal as possible on the podcast and that stuff that this was a group project.
But like when I'm doing stand-up and I think of a joke, if it's in the moment with somebody or if I'm thinking of these bits, like that's me.
So I feel it's earned the adulation I get from that.
You know, but like if somebody was like, yo, Schultz, that was absolutely genius, what you said.
Like my gut reaction was like, well, you know, it was all of us, we put this thing together, you know, because my body vomits the idea of like an unearned accolade.
You feel like a phony.
You feel like a fraud.
You feel like an imposter.
Imposter syndrome.
And I was like, I was battling with it.
And I was like, why do I?
It's like, I'm so happy that I'm getting this stuff and everything.
But there's also part of me that's like, it felt undeserved.
And I don't know.
I don't even know why.
I don't know if this is totally tied to what we're talking about.
I think it's tied in with like, that's your wiring.
My wiring is similar.
I walk around thinking like, oh, I don't, you know, this imposter, this, I'm phony.
This.
And that's maybe why, almost certainly why I hate fraudulence in other people.
But I think there's just two types of people.
And we tend to click because we all prefer authenticity, even if we don't like it.
And there's other people that are super phony with each other.
And you're like, yo, that's fucking gross.
How are y'all even friends?
They might just be wired like that.
Like, no, I'm cool with the phony.
I want you to be funny.
Like, it's even on the podcast.
Like, you even like, if somebody even says something funny in our everyday, we'll all reference that person.
Yes.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's how valuable funny is to us.
Yeah.
And authenticity.
I don't want credit for something that's not mine.
Right.
So if something funny is said, I have to say somebody's name that none of the half million people that are listening to this right now know.
Yes.
Yeah.
Fred said, and you're like, who the fuck is Fred?
Yeah.
Like, I could easily, I'm sure most radio hosts will just say the thing.
Yep.
Right.
But if I say it, and then people are like, yo, it's hilarious.
Like, how often do some people, the other day, someone tweeted, like, Andrew said, Florida, what is it?
Hong Kong is the Florida of China or something like that.
And I was like, no, I think it was Akash.
Oh, Wheels for president.
Roll for president.
Roll them for president.
I was like, nah, Akash.
I had to correct Twitter.
Yeah.
And he publicly did it, which I appreciated.
But the guy privately messaged me.
Yeah.
But I had to correct.
And maybe that is a function of us knowing that in this business, the only thing that we have is our ideas.
Yes.
And when we get credit for someone else's ideas, we know what it would feel like if someone else got credit for hours.
So we feel like it's super important.
That's our currency.
Rolling For President On Twitter00:03:12
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All we have is IP.
All we have is our IP, but we can't do nothing with it.
It's worse than Bitcoin.
It's Doge.
Do you know what I mean?
It's Doge.
It really is.
So we have to at least publicly, like me posting that publicly is not for Twitter.
It's for you.
Because I feel like you might have seen this tweet and then you could be going, ah, fuck, man.
That guy thought Schultz said that thing that I said that was funny.
I don't know if what I'm saying is relatable to anybody listening right now.
And if we wasted your fucking time, my bad.
But like, it is a real thing that you think about.
Yeah, it's, and it's good that you do that because I see some comments where like people accuse other podcasters of like, oh, they got that from Reddit or they got that from Twitter and shit like that.
So they thought I got something from Reddit once.
So that happened.
So it's good if you get in the practice of always calling it out.
So then it's like you have a lot more credibility that you don't do that.
Yeah.
I mean, you just that's how you just know motherfuckers don't listen to the podcast.
Because like if you listen to it, like we probably take it, we probably have taken so much, wasted so much of everybody's time saying citing sources.
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Distinguishing Shock Jocks From Comedians00:15:18
Now let's get back to the show.
All right, so let's talk about the greatest comedian that ever lived.
Patrice O'Neill had a documentary.
I hope a lot of you guys had the opportunity to see it.
It was brilliant.
All things comedy put it together.
Unfortunately, it was on Comedy Central.
And that's not all things comedy's fault.
I actually reached out to them and I reached out to Netflix and I go, what the fuck were you guys thinking not putting this Patrice O'Neill documentary on Netflix?
Why the fuck wouldn't you guys do this?
And What my guy over at Netflix, what Robbie told me was he does that thing was sold four years ago.
Robbie's the biggest fan of the world of Patrice.
And I watched this thing, and the reason why we're talking about this later in the podcast, by the way, is because I assume most of you haven't watched it because it's on Comedy Central.
And even if you did watch the first area on Comedy Central, you missed like 14 minutes because they were trying to fit in in a fucking thing.
If you got YouTube TV, it's on demand and it's an hour and a half, which I assume is the full.
Yes.
Yeah.
Hour and a half.
Commercials up top for like a minute and a half and then it's just straight.
Go.
Go.
Watch it.
It is profound.
It is inspiring.
It is heartbreaking.
Heartbreakingly sad.
And I got emotional by the end.
I was crying.
I cried.
You've heard us talk about Patrice O'Neill on the podcast a lot.
Patrice O'Neill is, in my opinion, the greatest comic to ever live.
He's also my last comedic inspiration.
I've not been inspired comedically since him.
That's not to say that there aren't great comics.
There aren't people who have done things that are very funny.
But I have yet to see somebody do comedy that I thought was a better version of what Patrice did.
Patrice was comedy perfected in the way that I view comedy.
And he wasn't a perfect man in the terms of the way he treated people and that kind of stuff.
It really fucking pissed a lot of people off.
He was very self-sabotaging with his career.
And Keith Robinson, it was a comic who's the fucking kingmaker.
We have to have another conversation another time about how many people you guys all know just because of Keith Robinson.
Just as maybe a lot, but Keith Robinson has played a major role in so many of the most successful comedians in history of our time.
Keith Robinson is a brilliant comic.
He has a special also on Comedy Central, so maybe you haven't seen it.
It's called Back of the Bus.
Back of the bus, Back of the Bus funny is what he's referring to.
And if you ever rode the school bus to school, you know that that's where the jokes went down in the back of the bus, right?
And thank God you clarified that because I didn't realize the other connotation of back of the bus.
He's old, not that old.
But it's a type of funny that he is referring to, right?
This is what I think that we exemplify on the show.
Like some people might call it the barbershop or the back of the bus, but that's where you were giving out the dozens in a back of the bus.
Everybody was getting their balls busted, if you will.
But he has had so many people.
He brought Kevin Hart to New York.
He was instrumental in having Patrice come down.
And he used to drive Kev from Philly to New York multiple times.
He's a fucking god.
That guy made everybody.
Yeah.
So he's played this amazing role and he's kind of like maybe lost in the casual comedy fans understanding of comedy history.
But anyway, so Patrice, he was the last, I think I was saying last comedic inspiration in terms of like what he did with comedy and how he did comedy.
And he was comedy to me.
You know, I have tons of respect for the different types of comedy.
Right.
But the type of comedy that I've always tried to live up to, which is Patrice O'Neal's style of comedy.
Initially, I got into comedy through it was Deaf Comedy Jam, and then Chris Rock was the guy who really started getting my mind working on what comedy was.
Then obviously Chappelle as well, you know, but Chris Rock, I was more part of that tree.
And then I saw Patrice, and that's who I was like, oh, this is it.
This is the final version.
There's nothing beyond this.
And I've yet to see anything beyond this.
And he did comedy from feeling what you feel is, doesn't matter if it is right or wrong, it is true.
You ever get an argument with your girl and she's like saying shit that's absolutely ridiculous, but she felt it.
You can't tell her she ain't feel it.
Yeah.
Right when you feel something and you're talking about something through feeling, you can be wrong.
Yeah.
Matter of fact, the funniest observations of your feelings are things that are incredibly wrong.
Yeah.
They're horrible.
Yes.
Right.
But they're funny and they're relatable.
And in my opinion, if you want to be one of the great, great greats, you can't be a straight joke slinger.
Patrice used his clever.
He was very clever.
But oftentimes, clever is a crutch.
Yeah.
Being able to say the clever thing and then you get like an applause break because there's this like visceral, not even visceral, it's like almost like a human reaction to go, ooh, you tricked me.
Bravo.
While it's clever, it doesn't necessarily penetrate.
Patrice O'Neal was a brilliantly clever guy, but his jokes were all off of feeling.
And the punchlines were often not clever, but incredibly relatable or visceral feelings.
Right.
He has this one thing where he's talking about how he feels bad for side chicks.
He goes, nobody cares about side chicks, right?
I mean, think about side chick.
I go over her house, 1 a.m., fuck her, drink her last snapple, then leave.
Drink her last snapple.
We all are thinking the same thing.
White fridge, completely empty.
You open it up and there's a snapple on the top graded, metal-graded thing, right?
How the fuck did we all have the same visual, right?
He came from such a real place with comedy that sometimes he's not even saying the cleverest punchline to get you to clap.
You're clapping because you just got this image that is painted so clear that we're all thinking in the same time.
Right.
Right?
There's another joke I remember we were watching his special live elephant in the room where he was just talking about like taking the like girls always complain about what's in the food or something.
He said something like, ladies, men are just cooler.
We're just cool.
You ever get the wrong order with your girl?
She gets the wrong order.
They do get her order wrong and she freaks out.
They put onions on it.
She's freaking out and then he uses the term wretched onions.
And he just does this whole meltdown of a girl and he goes, men, just you see that?
Hey, hey, you see that?
Huh.
That is the onion and he puts it on the ground.
He goes, just right there on the ground.
He's just leaving it on the ground.
But like this visceral, there's nothing clever about it.
Yeah.
Per se, but it is comedy.
And I'm not trying to knock clever, but it is a brilliant tool that he also used.
He had tons of little clever switches and stuff in his comedy, but his comedy always came from feeling.
There's a lot of guys who do comedy and they're just like, Uber, what's the funniest joke about Uber?
I don't care if I don't feel that way about Uber.
What is the funniest misdirect about it?
Yeah.
And it's my least favorite form of comedy.
Yeah.
Because it's devoid of, in my opinion, is devoid of the visceral reaction that comedy creates.
Instead of gamifying it and like tricking you into laughing at it, I'm going to penetrate you in a way that is going to stay inside.
I mean, this is very sexual.
Everything all right, Al?
Yeah.
But I'm going to, I'm, the joke is going to penetrate you in a way that's just going to stick with you.
Yeah.
And you feel it.
I remember you saying early on, somebody was like crushing on stage, but it was like, whatever, it was cute comedy or whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
And then you were like, I honestly believe the laughs are different when you're doing like what we do.
It's different.
And you can feel it when you really hit on some shit that's deep down, a feeling that people have.
You feel the difference in the laugh.
They react to you different even after the show.
The reaction is like you just spoke to someone's soul.
Yeah.
And it's just, yeah.
I had an experience.
So last week I mentioned like, I don't think I've seen much of Patrice.
I just saw like clips on YouTube prior to that.
And I knew that the doc was coming out.
So I was like, you know what?
Let me make sure to either watch or listen to some of his stand-ups.
So I downloaded Mr. Pete.
It's been fucking testing.
Oh my God.
I've never laughed that hard on a flight.
You know my laugh?
Yeah.
You can hear me over the fucking loud ass plane.
Like I was dying.
His shit was hilarious.
So good.
I listened to that the day or whatever.
Bro, the African guy and all.
Oh my God.
I look like the most wobbable person back when I lived in Brooklyn, listening to that CD, just walking on the street, fucking cackling, laughing, bent over.
Like, I look like they're such a bitch.
Like, you can't help it.
It's fucking hilarious.
Where did you imagine him doing that show in your head?
Where is he performing it?
In your head?
In my head, it's really small.
It's a very small room because you can hear it.
I know the exact room that it's not, but in my head, I have a different room.
Same.
I don't.
DC improv, I assume.
Is it DC improv?
Where do you imagine?
It's DC.
He says it's DC.
But I imagine like, oh, I see.
I was going to say an improv.
That's my home club.
Maybe you imagine your home club or the club like when I was a kid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would go to the fucking Dallas improv.
I imagine like the small room in the cellar.
Yeah, yeah.
Because you can just one hear everyone and it's like the laughs are fucking easy.
That's what Patrice did.
And there's nothing like Patrice Live.
There's something we saw, we saw him together, right?
We saw him together at Comics Comedy Club, and it was like revolutionary for me because it was the first person I felt like was, I don't know, I felt like was doing comedy in the way that like I related to the world and I tried to talk about the world.
And I just, I just love the fact that he was so fine being wrong, but he was okay with it being wrong.
He knew he was being wrong, but it was how he felt.
Each joke is how I feel.
Yeah.
Right?
Like he was talking about like, oh, God, what was he saying?
Like about diabetes or some shit about that.
And then he was walking down the aisle.
He's just walking down the aisle in a grocery store and he saw these double stuffed vanilla Oreos.
I'm looking at these cookies like, who needs a foot?
But like, bro, there's not, it's not necessarily clever.
It's not like misdirecting.
It is a little bit of a misdirection, right?
But it's not, but it's, it's not ta-da.
It is a fucking visceral feeling.
He is not afraid of what he feels.
So many people doing comedy, they're doing comedy based on what they think the audience will feel are okay, is okay.
Yeah.
And I, first of all, I never was down with that.
And I admired how much he was willing to go up there and say how he fucking felt.
And regardless of the reaction, a lot of times it didn't do well for him.
Motherfucker would bomb, piss people off.
People walk out the show, but it was what he felt.
And if you're saying what you feel and you bomb, I promise you it's so much better.
When you fucking lie up there, and there's been jokes that I fucking, I was up there and I lied.
I was like, oh, this will probably be the funny joke, or this will get a reaction.
And when those jokes bomb, dude, you feel like a fucking failure.
I tap dance for you and you guys didn't like it.
Yeah.
Those are, yeah.
Yeah, those are the brutal ones.
Bombs are never fun.
Those are the worst bombs.
I can handle a bomb if I know I'm.
Because I feel like I saw it out.
It's actually what he talked about when he tried to tap dance for the industry and then didn't get where he wanted to go.
It's just on a much larger scale for him.
But in a show, you're like, yo, I sold out and you still don't like me.
Fuck you.
Fuck me.
Nothing worse.
I hate myself more than I hate you.
Fuck.
I mean, when you bomb, but like you're tapped into your feelings.
Yeah.
You can understand their reaction.
Yeah.
I know what I'm saying is fucked up.
Yeah.
I know that you guys are reacting this way because it's hard to say this publicly.
Yeah.
I got to get better at getting you guys comfortable enough to say it.
Yeah.
Where you guys don't react like this, but this is how I feel, and you know it.
And you feel this way too.
Yeah, and I will still sometimes bail out of that earlier than I want to.
I'm actually proud of myself if I'll do a Patrice thing and the whole thing is like that.
And if you can win them at the end, it's the greatest.
It's the fucking greatest when it's like, I know you're not into it.
I'm staying here and I'm gonna get you on board.
And they appreciate that.
An audience appreciates it.
Yeah, it's the same thing about what we were saying before about fraudulence.
Yeah.
Honesty, if they know you believe what you're saying, they get on board.
And once they start feeling, and then once they start understanding, like, oh, this is what he feels.
Yeah, that's why I hate when people throw out the devil's advocate.
I don't hate it.
I'm fine with it.
Criticize whoever you want.
But like, what bothers me a little bit about the devil's advocate shit is like when people go, oh, you're just a devil's advocate.
It's like, nah, you're too pussy to admit how you feel.
Don't make a caveat for my feelings.
I feel this way.
You're too pussy to admit that you feel this way.
So you're trying to call me a devil's advocate.
Right?
Because it removes the cowardice from you.
Oh, you're just saying that because you want to have the opposite feeling.
No, I feel this way.
I feel that Kanye takes dicks away from women.
Yeah.
That's how I feel.
Oh, you're just trying to have a different take.
No, no, I feel that way.
You're afraid of the way you feel.
Without context, that is a wild.
That is true.
Some people are just going to see this clip, like, what the fuck am I talking about?
And you know what?
I don't care.
I feel this way.
So it's good on you, bro.
But you know what I mean?
Like, the devil's advocate is such an easy way to like discredit or disregard someone's opinion.
Yeah.
From the average person that's afraid of their own feelings.
But I think that the reason why that might happen to you, because there are some people that are just playing devil's advocate for oh, there's times when we just play devil's advocate for sure.
It's hard to distinguish just the shock jock person from there's times.
Hey, we do both.
Hey, you know what?
And that's what I'm saying.
So you're going to get it sometimes.
You know what?
Here's the thing.
And this is what is so hard to understand, but it's only understood really in the context of comedy.
And it's more so in the context of podcasts because so many of us are doing podcasts now.
But like when you're on stage, on stage should be a feeling environment.
We're not on stage for the truth, right?
Or the lie.
We're on stage for the feeling.
The feeling is true.
There's nothing more annoying than an audience member fact-checking you.
It's like, shut the fuck up.
Yeah, this is outside of facts.
This is facts, no feelings.
That's where the ethos of this.
Yeah.
So like when I'm saying this shit about Belichick being a trash coach, he might objectively be a good coach.
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But my feeling, I have this feeling like he's whack.
Yeah.
He's whack.
And I'm telling you, that's how I feel.
And I'm going to justify it whatever goofy ass ways I'm going to justify it.
But I do have that feeling.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But you're right.
100%.
Sometimes we just make an absurd argument.
Of course, but general rules to this shit.
Feelings, no facts.
We are a feeling podcast.
We are a feeling comics.
We are emotional people.
That's what we ride on.
Jim Norton said the most brilliant thing, brilliant description of Patrice.
He goes, Patrice lived his life like a movie was being made about him, and he was going to have to watch it with all of his closest friends.
And they will call out all of his friends.
And they would call out all his bullshit.
So in every interaction he was with somebody, he would call them out on being phony.
Because if he didn't, when he watched this movie of his life with his boys later, oh, you're just going to let him talk to you like that?
Yeah.
You see what I'm saying?
David Robinson also had a profound ass thing where he was like, some of that is like they all talked about how what an asshole he was on set or whatever.
And he goes, a lot of that is fear too.
You are afraid of not being good enough when you get the shot, so you self-sabotage.
And that's what's also really interesting about Patrice is I've never seen a more confident comic on stage in my life.
And to still have that fear, it's just an interesting juxtaposition.
Bro, you know what happened to me after watching this, Doc?
It humanized him, which was a letdown.
I don't want to see Superman be human.
He's your Superman.
He was Superman.
He was Iron Man.
You know what I mean?
Like, he was a superhero to me.
And watching this made me realize he was a man.
Yeah.
So a flawed man, a scared man as well.
And that made his death 10 times more fucking tragic.
When Superman dies, it was okay because he wasn't a human being.
You know what I mean?
Like he didn't, to me, I didn't build up a relationship with him.
I was too in awe of him to build up a relationship.
I saw him.
I met him a few times.
I was too in awe to try to build a relationship with him.
That's how high I rank him.
And when I saw that, I wasn't sad when he died because he wasn't even a human being.
He was beyond that.
You know?
So when I watched it, all of a sudden he became a human being.
And afterwards, I was fucking heartbroken, bro.
You know what else they touch on toward the end?
And it's something when we talk about Chappelle and Patrice, and I put Chappelle above, I forgot.
So Chappelle, I love for a lot of his shit after, like for equanimity and for bird revelation.
And the other one he did with the, he saves, but he rapes.
But Chappelle was still like tapping into that.
Patrice was still getting better.
Elephant in the Room was one, maybe the best hour special I've ever seen.
Yeah, that's fine.
Then he followed up with an album that I think is better than that.
So Patrice was figuring out, he had seen, okay, this is how I do this comedy where I'm telling the truth, but it's palatable for you.
And that's where I'm like, oh, fuck.
That's where it felt really tragic to me.
This guy was still getting better at 43 or whatever it was.
He had really, really figured it out now.
He was about to hit another level.
And I forget that 10 years later.
But then when I watch this, I'm like, yo, fuck.
This guy was about to be.
And you think about what we've pushed back against, which is the PC culture and shit.
If we had him, I don't know if our fight is nearly as hard.
I mean, it's just like he's taking care of a lot of it.
He's just getting bigger and bigger.
And it's like, what are we worried about?
He would have got canceled.
He wouldn't have given a fuck, though.
But I'm just saying, he would have been toxic.
The most highest level of toxic, he would have been that.
Because he keeps it just too real.
And people aren't ready for that.
He died so we could be great.
Come on.
Thank you, Patrice.
Thank you.
My bank account appreciates you, Patrice.
Yeah.
Whatever.
So I would, I, guys, we'll try to put a link or some way where you can watch it.
Please watch it if you care about comedy and you're just curious about this guy who, unfortunately, will probably be forgotten in comedy history.
And when Bill Burr.
I'll say this.
He will be forgotten in comedy history, but he will 100% live on to the people he influenced.
Like we were just talking a bunch of comics after a party.
We were talking about who people are influenced by.
And you could see them in their comedy.
You know what I mean?
And most people don't know where I come from.
Like we could think of other kind of famous comics.
We'd be like, oh, he's kind of like Attel or he's kind of like Louie or he's kind of like this or he's kind of like Eddie Murphy who was like Prior, et cetera.
And they came to me.
They're like, yeah, I don't know who you, I don't know who you are.
And it was a compliment at first because I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool.
Like I'm yeek.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
It's Patrice.
Like, this is that is the lane.
That is the funnel that I come from.
So, my success and all the other people Patrice influenced is a legacy.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So, maybe he gets forgotten in the casual fan, but like, as long as I'm alive, I will give all the fucking credit to the most influential person I've ever seen in comedy and the greatest comic that I've ever seen, hands down.
Man, I wish I remember.
There was one other line from Robert Kelly.
I think I fucking wish I remembered.
I remember the Keith Robinson line stuck out to me.
What was the body killing?
I can't remember.
If I remember, I'll come back to it.
Oh, is it about him feeling insecurity of Patrice's?
Maybe it was toward the end.
He said something.
I'm like, God damn, I wish I fucking remember who it was.
The having the baby shit was rough.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that was rough.
Kept keeping the pregnancy tests in a drawer.
And his girl saw the pregnancy test because he asked his, well, he didn't ask his girl, but he was like, I feel uncomfortable bringing a kid into this world because I don't think I'm going to be here for a long time.
I don't want to leave you with a kid.
But it is your choice.
But it is your choice and you do whatever you want to do.
And they ended up not, you know, terminating the pregnancy.
And like months later, I guess she opened up one of these drawers and found the pregnancy test.
And she's like, yo, what's this about?
He goes, put that back in there and close the drawer.
And he never spoke about it.
And he wouldn't even look.
He's watching TV.
He didn't even look at me.
I look at her all it stayed on the TV, put that back in the drawer.
And that's the one time you've seen Patrice not on his emotions and his feelings.
That's how much it fucked with him.
Bro, 100% great observation.
He wasn't truthful about what that was to him.
Everything else.
He'll talk to his mom about jerking off and eating pussy or whatever it was.
Yeah, yeah.
But like that, I can't, I can't deal with that.
There's a scene with his stepdaughter.
Oh, his girl had a daughter already.
And when she speaks about him, it's profound.
She's like, he's the reason for my confidence.
Yeah.
It's like, I have a big head.
I love my big head because Patrice made me love my big head.
And he always told me, nobody control how you feel.
You're going to love yourself.
Like, seeing, that's what I'm talking about.
Like, the effect that you have on human beings, if you live your life in a way that is impactful, he continues to exist.
And maybe that's corny to say, I don't give a fuck.
But that motherfucker continues to exist in her, in us, in all these people.
I see him in Bill Burr.
Yeah.
But Bill always says, this guy's better than all.
When you talk about comics that are based on feeling, Bill Burr is all feeling.
Like he's clever, but literally, I started punching the muffins.
Wham, wham, wham.
Like that is visceral feeling.
Yes.
Right.
And he is, these Boston guys, man, best comics in the world come from Boston.
But yeah, he is feeling.
Bobby Kelly is feeling.
Yeah.
You know, like, telling you, man, there's something there.
Well, I was even going to say, first of all, he says shit like, we thought we would learn something.
And then Patrice had already figured it out fucking years ago.
Like, he was always so far ahead of us.
But you'll see it in the moments where Bill Burr is like up there, pontificating, doesn't give a fuck how the audience feels.
I'm sure he would have gotten there on his own, but I think a part of that is also that's Patrice.
And Bill Burr always looked at Patrice like, that's the fucking best guy.
That's what I want to be.
Yeah.
Who gives a fuck if they're not laughing?
I live in my honesty.
I live in my emotion.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Another thing I was fascinated by is how can he be so honest with his girl and talk about her like that on stage?
Yeah.
And she love him the way he does.
Like that is.
She came into the game, bro.
She knew what it was.
He kept it with her.
He kept it honest with her the whole time.
This is what it is.
It's funny to see like how like mythology builds around figures.
There was one story that was a little bit of a letdown for me.
The story about how Patrice first did stand up had changed through time.
And this is how you get cyclopses or cyclopsi or whatever the fuck that is.
Like a cyclops started out as a big guy who was just missing one of his eyes.
And then someone's like, yeah, they're fucking these huge dudes.
And then this guy had one eye.
And then three or four people you tell that story to later, it's they had one eye in the center of their head and they were 18 feet tall, et cetera.
And like the story that was always going around about the first time Patrice did stand-up was that he was heckling a comic on stage and the comic said, well, why don't you come up here and do stand-up?
And then he did and he just started murdering.
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Yeah.
And then he's, that was stand-up after that.
And in the movie or the doc, it's he started heckling the comic.
And then after the show went up to him, he was like, I was just helping you out, man.
And then he was like, yeah, you should try it out.
And then he tried it out later.
But he didn't go up on stage that night.
Goldman talked about, though, he had this like Patrice had this joke that was like, I don't like being the fat spokesperson or whatever.
But it was like a jokey joke.
And then Goldman said, I came back a few months later and he wasn't doing it.
And I was so happy that Patrice moved on from it because I was like, oh, that's just not a Patrice thing.
Yeah.
I mean, he's probably early in the game, but then Goldman was like, he was done with that so quickly.
That's not what he was about.
But it was such a great joke.
It was a great joke, but he just had.
Like fat people, like, go, like, fat people like acknowledge him on the street.
Yeah.
Like, he just sounded like he's like, what's up, brother?
What do you want me to do?
But, like, what's beautiful about that is it's not, again, that's, there's nothing clever there.
There's no trick.
You know what I mean?
That's like, you know, found like a hack on our DNA to get elicited a reaction.
It's literally just, that's a hilarious feeling.
I can't relate to that, but I can see a fat guy look at another fat guy like, we eaten later.
I don't know.
He's just fucking.
This is the best.
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Oh, by the way, getting back to the show, we got some dates coming up talking about shows, baby.
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You can go to theandrewschultz.com to check out all mine.
It was absolutely crazy.
Yo, Miami showing mad love.
Thank you guys so much.
I felt like a fucking rock star, bro.
It was crazy.
I mean, the show, the first one sold out in three minutes.
The next one sold out in 60 seconds.
I didn't even know that was physically possible.
Insane.
But we'll see you at the Miami Improv.
And it was like a Jordan drop.
Son, I felt like sneakers.
Yeah.
I felt like sneakers in that moment.
But Miami, thank you all for showing love, man.
We really appreciate it.
And we hope you're doing y'all proud out here.
And I'm excited to get back on stage after not being on stage for a year.
So this is going to be an interesting couple shows.
But I think we're going to add a couple more shows.
I'll post about it on Instagram and I'll tell you when the ticket links are going to go up so you guys can be ready to go and have everything locked and loaded.
But again, Miami, thank you all for all showing me love.
You always show me love and we'll see you soon.
Also, DeAndrewScholes.com.
We're going to do a tour announce video, but I want you to go check out what we got there on dandrewscholes.com right now.
That's what I'll say.
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Maybe you get a little head start on everybody that's trying to get some tickets.
Okay.
Some cities already sold out.
Salt Lake sold out.
Columbus is sold out.
Nashville sold out.
Atlanta, Raleigh, West Palm Beach, Phoenix, and Tampa may or may not be available on the website on the Comedy Club's website before we do this announce video.
So that's all I'll say.
That's all I'll say.
Love you guys.
We might add some more shows in these other states.
And who knows if the requirements start to loosen up.
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We add a couple more chairs, but go there.
Check it out.
Go to akashing.com.
I got two more shows coming up that I'll tell you about in April.
But for March, let's talk about Philly, March 4th through 6th at Helium, and St. Louis, Helium, March 18th through 20th, I believe, whatever that Thursday through Saturday is.
So go there.
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Gang, gang, gang.
All right.
Let's get back to the show.
All right, guys.
We're back.
Let's have another conversation about a comedian that was out the game for a little minute.
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Had a little controversy.
You know, the other Chrissy D, I think that's what we're going to Chris Delia released an apology video.
What did you guys think of it?
I, at the beginning, I was like, oh, this is good.
He's handling it well.
He's saying a lot of good things.
He seems honest.
But then by the end, I was like, oh, you didn't address the main thing we want explained.
The main thing I want explained is what's up with these young girls that are accusing you.
Right.
And you just address that with two lines in an eight-minute apology video.
The same line twice.
Everything I did was consensual and legal.
That's it.
Right.
And I guess what you're saying is it's not technically illegal to talk to underage girls.
That's not an illegal thing, but it is the thing that bothered you.
Yeah.
And I don't, apparently, there's, look, there's a lot of smoke.
I saw certain texts that were like maybe illegal, maybe legal.
It was like real borderline.
And then there's just so much smoke.
That's what we want addressed.
You cheat on your wife.
Okay.
You have a sex addiction.
I get it.
You're a good-looking, famous, hilarious dude.
Sure, pound all the pussy in the world.
I don't give a fuck.
I want to know what's up with these young girls.
That's where I need an explanation.
And again, I've said this probably before.
I don't want to just sit here and like shit on Chris or Barry Chris.
He was, I like the guy.
He was nice to me when I was a new comic, supportive in a way.
And now maybe it's because he wanted to fuck me.
I don't know.
But in a game where everybody treats you like shit, this is a guy that was nice to me.
And so I don't want to sit here and act like I'm above him and fuck him.
Yeah.
I want him to be innocent, but I need him to explain it.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You can't just gloss over that and say with one line, oh, it's legal.
Nah, bro.
What was the specific thing that you needed an explanation for?
I mean, there's screenshots of him like texting girls, oh, they're 17.
And then like nine months later, he'll text them back or 10 months or whatever it is.
Right.
That's not a full year.
If you wait a full year and then you, I need to know, did you know these girls were underage?
And if you knew, did you stop?
If you knowingly message an underage girl, that's weird to me.
Or if you find out she's underage and then you keep messaging, that's fucked.
If you message, we all DM when we were single, that's what you do.
You're Chris DeLee, you're DMing.
You're going to hit a couple girls that are probably like, oh, I'm young.
And then you need to be the fuck out.
That's how that works.
Yeah.
I'm not canceling him because he cheated on his wife and he had a sex addiction.
Yeah.
I don't give a fuck.
That's for you and her.
I would cancel you if I found out you were knowingly messaging underage girls.
And little things even within the messages back in the day, I remember being like, that's kind of weird.
It was pointed out to me, honestly, but like the way he would message them, it's like he knows he's talking to underage girls, saying shit like T He.
So you need to be aware of that.
I need T He explained.
Your issue.
I need a T He explanation.
If that's how you message a 30-year-old, okay, you're kind of weird, but that's it.
But it seems like you know, you ain't saying T He to no grown-ass bitch.
Grown-ass bitch.
I'm going to say T He to a 30-year-old bitch.
So you felt like the apology was for the wrong thing.
I feel like he wanted.
Yes.
You didn't want an apology because you don't need someone to apologize to you for crushing puss.
No, I love that.
I'm faithful.
You go ahead and do all the cheating that I would never do.
I live vicariously through you.
Right.
You wanted an explanation, not an apology.
Yes.
For the shit that you thought was super sus.
Yes.
The accusations that you thought were super sus.
You're aware that he didn't do anything illegal.
You're aware that he didn't do anything that wasn't consensual, but there was behavior that might not have been illegal, but looked highly frowned upon and looked like if things went a certain way, it could lead to illegal behavior.
And I'm not positive.
Yeah.
I mean, if a girl tells you she's 17 and you're messing her nine months later, she's likely turned 18, which is still kind of weird to me, to be honest.
But I can't throw you in jail for that.
But if it's nine months, it's like, dog, you couldn't wait the full fucking year.
You don't have another date in Utah coming up?
A year you can't come back?
She's going to be married by then, bro.
She's in Utah, duh.
You have three sister wives, bro.
If that was his explanation, okay.
I just need the explanation.
These bitches in Utah get married young.
We're trying to get it where you fit in.
I'm just John Smith out here, bro.
Went in wrong.
Give me an explanation.
That's what I need from you.
Right.
Did you knowingly message underage girls?
Because it kind of seems like it did.
And that's what I need explained.
I'm not the fucking pound of flesh guy.
I don't want to sit here and feast on your apology.
As apologies go, he did a good job, but that's not the explanation.
I'm looking for an explanation.
I forgive him for cheating on his fiancé, bro.
You don't?
I do.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
At first, I didn't.
Okay.
And then when he apologized to me, I was like, I forgive you.
I'm going to need everybody to apologize to me for cheating on their girl, bro.
That's what I'm saying.
I need you to apologize because you broke my trust.
You know what I'm saying?
Here I am just waiting this whole time feeling cheated on without any apology.
And now that I got the apology, I can move on.
I feel like I can mend your relationship or something.
I don't know.
It is a weird suggestion, right?
What do you mean?
Like, to apologize for that.
Yeah, I don't.
That's an apology for his wife.
I don't.
I would understand apologizing if you were like a Christian comic or some shit and you like led people to think that you were out here, you know, faithful and leading a certain life.
But like, I think we knew.
Yeah, you ain't Carl Lentz, bro.
Yes.
Carl Lentz got to apologize to me.
Yeah.
Because you were preaching some shit to me and you didn't live up to it.
It was fraudulent to bring back the earlier discussion.
It was fraudulent.
Chris DeLeah, you knew was fucking.
To be honest, I'm more impressed.
He could fuck all these girls and still be that funny.
Real talk.
Like, think about, that's fucking impressive.
That's impressive.
But I need something else explained and you didn't.
That's how I feel.
Al, am I crazy?
Tell me if I went too hard.
I didn't think I went that hard for him.
No, I actually agree with you.
Me or Akash about the apology, but also what about me?
Nah, not at all.
You don't think that you didn't feel like that you deserved an apology for him cheating on his own?
I think you deserved it a lot sooner, son.
You deserved it a lot sooner, so you would feel better.
I did deserve it.
You waited too long to feel good.
Son, I almost called him one of these days.
I was like, you won't apologize to me.
That's cheating on your family.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, this is ridiculous, bro.
Just left you waiting.
He left me out here just fucking gold, bro.
Embarrassed.
You were embarrassed.
He supported this man.
I was so embarrassed.
I had to move to Miami.
I had to move to Miami and distract myself, bro, until I got my fucking apology, bro.
All right, go.
Keep going.
So the fact that he just tried to change the narrative that the big issue is his sex addiction when that wasn't the big thing that he went into hiding for.
The big thing was all the smoke about these young kids.
Is anybody...
It's like, I think that needs to be addressed first and foremost.
And this should have came a lot sooner.
Like, you just wait, wait until the smoke dies down and then hoping that you're just going to pop up, give an apology, and now you're all good again.
Like, no, you should have addressed this shit immediately.
Like, think if you were that dude's daughter who was like 17 who texted him like, hey, you're too old for me.
And then he waits and comes back later.
Like, if I'm that girl's father, I want to kill this dude.
But what if now he's learning how to wait?
Like, yeah, I mean, that's impressive.
But if that's the lesson.
Like, it doesn't have to happen right now.
You could perfectly.
No one's perfect.
I'm not saying we should crucify a dude.
I'm just saying we got to keep the same energy that we give to anybody who with this type of fuck shit behavior.
And I'm just not for that.
That's just me personally.
And specifically, what is the behavior that...
The predatory behavior.
Like, you're a grown man.
Like, why are you trying to chase after like barely legal girls?
If he's talking about how many girls he's sleeping with at all times, and there's gorgeous girls.
He can shoot all he wants.
He's spending a lot of time and energy on girls of a certain age.
So a lot of smoke.
So I know it's cloudy of like figuring out what situation.
He should have been on that statement forensically proving each accusation at least.
So if he has six accusations, nail down every one of those accusations.
We're still going to have a feeling like there's six.
There's probably more that we don't know about.
You got away with somehow, but he didn't do that.
And so the fact that they weren't addressed, it's like it leaves something still.
I don't really feel.
There's something in there.
He's going to be fine.
His fans are going to hate that I said this.
I don't want the guy to be fucking crucified.
Now, if he knows these girls are underage and he's messaging underage girls, if those messages come out, he should be punished.
As is, I just need an explanation.
Right now, that's what I'm looking for.
Are you hurt by the cheating?
No, I just, the more I think about it, I accept his apology.
For the cheating.
Yeah.
Okay.
What made you do that?
He felt honest.
It was the, it's the Christianity in me, bro.
Yeah.
I had to forgive him for cheating, bro.
And I had to forgive him for having sex with hundreds of beautiful women.
Because that is unforgivable.
But no, no, no, but for real, if you're literally going to fuck the most beautiful women in America in literally every single state for a living, I'm going to need an apology for that.
I am going to need an apology.
And the fact that he was man enough to come and do that, I appreciate that.
Yeah.
What, Al?
What, Al?
I understand you guys are focusing on another part of this.
And that's why we have this collaborative effort here on the podcast.
You know what I mean?
But your point resonates with me.
Maybe he could have offered a little bit more explanation about the text messages with the underage girls.
Right?
Yeah.
Even though it looks like nothing happened with them, which is important.
Yeah.
But explanation, at least, like, why were you continuing the convo kind of knowing?
Yeah.
There's proof that he continued the convo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think nine or ten months later, again, wait the year, bro.
If you wait the year and you're like, God, wait a year.
I'm not even feeling naked photos, things like that.
There's more.
We're not covering everything.
So let's.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Okay.
But the important thing is that he cheated on his wife and he feels bad about it.
I just think it's so admirable.
No, you're not.
That's a good point.
You know, sometimes.
No, no.
Like, some people are in touch with their audience and their people.
And like to come out and be like, I'm sorry for absolutely demolishing for years.
Yeah.
And then to be like, I apologize.
Yeah.
Forgive it.
Wow.
You're a bigger man than most, man.
You're a good person.
I am.
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