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Our special guest this week is one of Sam's brothers in arms, musical arms in this case, and the man behind the band, Iron Will.
He has a professional audio studio at his disposal, I hear, and has been a prolific songwriter over the years, including contributing tracks to international acts like the Finnish band Mistreat, and which you've heard previously on this show.
No stranger to Fisticuffs, he got into the biggest fight of his life when he had to stare down the bottle.
But despite giving up the ephemeral thrills that come from going hard on the sauce, he gained the reward of regained health and respect and recovered relationships with friends and family.
Now, excessive drinking has been no minor issue in our cause for decades.
Yours truly has overindulged from time to time, lest you think we're getting preachy.
So let's dig into all that, but also a musical fighting life in full.
So, Mr. Producer, hit it.
Welcome, everyone, to Full House, the world's finest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole biofam.
It is episode 209, and I am your spring peeper appreciating host, Coach Finstock.
I could hear those little frogs through the window and through the wall of the house before we went to tape.
A little too cold to keep the windows open so you get a little background music, but I love those little frogs.
They always tell me that spring has indeed finally arrived.
And we are back with another hour, maybe two of the finest commentary fit for man, woman, and the occasional beast in the audience.
Before we meet the birth panel and our special guests, though, big thanks to Rusty and Anonymous King for their support of the show since our last Russia special with Charles Bazman, if you missed it last time.
And the Anon King said, turn Full House into a 501c3 and you will get big money from me.
Okay, then put that on the list of things to do, perhaps.
Anyway, if you'd like to send a little gratitude for all the shows over the years, just go to givesendgo.com slash fullhouse and we would be most appreciative.
After all that, let's get on with it.
First up, not only did he help put this interview together, but he did so while also putting together another epic St. Joseph's Day altar this year.
It was too much, Sam.
It looked like an Italian parade on stage.
Yeah, well, let's not gloss over St. Patrick's Day.
I mean, we had St. Patrick's Day.
My wife made an epic meal of corned beef, roasted potatoes and carrots, this Irish soda bread, horseradish, the whole thing.
It was wonderful.
And then two days later, we had St. Joseph's Day.
And guess what?
She made me eat the same stuff.
She made me eat St. Patrick's food on St. Joseph's Day.
What's up with that?
Harrison.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I like that anchovy-based pasta that is traditional for St. Joseph's Day.
And that was just a picture.
That was a stock picture out of Google I posted there.
It was, but we normally do something like that.
But I like the aposta dish.
It's like a traditional thing where they put breadcrumbs because again, think about in olden times where Lent was taken a little more seriously.
So they wouldn't have cheese, like any dairy products, any meat, anything like that.
So they would have bread.
They put breadcrumbs on it, which actually tastes really good that way, and an anchovy-based pasta sauce on spaghetti.
And then they would take bread and they would twist it into either a cross or they would make little tools like something that a carpenter would use as St. Joseph was.
So yeah, anyways, good stuff.
And it's good to be here.
I'm excited for the show.
You bet.
Same here.
And you fooled me, USOB.
I thought that was actually yours, St. Joseph's altar, because you have had some elaborate works.
I have posted them in the past because we do, you know, I'll usually get some cut flowers and we have a piano and we I'll just kind of make it like three tiers, like using the three tiers of the piano and then cover it with a tablecloth.
And then, you know, people, that was the thing that's the Saint Origin of the St. Joseph's Days.
It's a Sicilian thing, actually.
And there was a famine and the people were praying and they beseeched St. Joseph to pray for them.
And, you know, it all came out right.
And so they remembered it with this festival, but it falls, of course, during Lent always.
So it has these kind of toned down aspects to it, like the fish-based pasta.
So yeah.
My good buddy, and you've met him, Sam, said Sam in his heart is really a pagan with all of his saints and his feasts.
And so I was like, you know, he's got a Catholic block.
Don't take that personal.
I think he meant it complimentary.
Yeah, no, there's certainly aspects about the paganism that we all appreciate.
Amen.
All right.
Next up, not only does he subject movies to Gestapo level critic levels of critical analysis, excuse me, but he also knows a little something about music and the business too, which hopefully will finally come in handy this week.
Rolo, you're certainly welcome to contribute more this week as we are talking music in the biz on top of everything else.
Well, if something that I could chime in on comes up, then I will let my presence be known.
Very good.
You know, we did that whole audio check in the beginning to make sure that Sam, our guest and me, sounded good, but I think that you are on your crappy little video mic again.
Yep.
Sounds metallic and titty.
Yep.
Yep.
Anyway.
How about now?
There you go.
Bango.
That's the wrong one.
I like that it just, without asking me, it'll just say like, yeah, sure.
You know, let's just change this.
Yeah.
Thanks.
I don't have to borrow my son's dongle anymore.
He and I have had some good chuckles over the word dongle.
I don't have to use my, I don't have to play with my son's dongle to do the show anymore.
I got a black dongle from Amazon that I'm connected into now.
Well, we're talking about much information.
It's a few inches, maybe average.
Anyway, seriously, he was like, Dad, buy your own damn dongle.
It's like, okay, fine.
It's like 10 bucks on Amazon.
Working like a charm, though.
Anyway, finally, our patient and very special guest.
He's been known in the biz as Captain Fantastic, Dr. Delicious, maybe also Big Papa Hog Nuts, rumor has it.
He's been a pal of Sam's for some time.
Rumor has it he's a full house listener as well.
And perhaps most importantly, he's a damn impressive musician and a longtime WN to boot.
Eddie, welcome to Full House, sir.
Thank you so much for having me.
I love the introduction.
Thank you.
Was that mostly accurate?
I didn't lay it on too thick.
100%.
Good stuff.
Sometimes I speculate.
I don't want to ask every personal detail before we have a guest on.
Regardless, Eddie, happy to have you.
And let's go with the ethnicity, religion, and fatherhood status standard suite, please, sir.
All right.
Well, my white, of course, my grandparents came over from Ireland on my mother's side.
my father's side, grandma was Polish and grandpa was German.
They came over from Poland.
And so it makes me that.
That's almost my exact same blend, German, Polish, Irish.
Good on you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I knew I liked you for a reason.
Handsome devils.
All right.
Religion.
What were you raised?
What are you now?
Well, my father was an alcoholic.
So we spent a lot of time with my mother's side.
They came over and settled in South Boston.
So we were up in Truro and Providence Town and spent a lot of time in Southeast.
So I was baptized Roman Catholic and raised Catholic, went to Catechism and did all that.
And it wasn't until I was late into my teens through the music and association that I got turned on to Asachu and Odinism.
And I've been full force since then.
Very good.
And on the family side, you got any kids?
Absolutely.
Three wonderful daughters from the same mommy.
They're 22, 24, and 32.
Amazing.
And still with wifey?
No.
Okay.
Due to the alcohol and the story that'll be told here in a little bit, that'll come into play.
But since then, and owning my shit, I'm sorry.
That's okay.
Owning my stuff and being accountable, we are pretty good friends now.
Fair enough.
Casualties of war occur and nice, nice fleet of, I'm sure, beautiful, intelligent, and ladylike daughters.
All right.
Well, how about a little bit of your ideological journey?
How'd you end up becoming a skinhead?
I presume you were at some point, if not, you know, full-fledged WN, whatever, you know, whatever you want to share and what you consider yourself.
Well, this is what, a two-hour show?
One or two.
We'll see.
Take your time.
If you think it's interesting, by all means, let it rip.
I'll give you the short version.
I was an older brother that was a metalhead.
And so I grew up listening to Iron Maiden and ACDC and all of that.
And my father was in the Air Force.
And so we ended up in Omaha, Nebraska in 84 and hanging out with the heavy metal kids at the little local gas station.
And this family moved across the street.
And there was a couple punk rocker girls.
I'd never seen nothing like that before.
And so they started hanging out.
And then so I started hanging out over at their house.
And I used to always see this tall guy with bald head and flight jack and just, you know, it's Air Force base.
I didn't know anything about skinhead or nothing like that.
So I just figured it was her dad.
And he used to pick on me all the time, call me, you little sissy faggot rocker because I had, you know, shoulder length long hair.
And I liked his sister.
And so I just kept hanging out there.
And eventually he pulled me in his room.
He's like, listen to this.
And it was screwdriver, hell the new dawn.
And his name was Donald.
And they were from England.
And at first, I heard it and I was like, you know, it's kind of gay.
You know, I'm not really, he sounds like Kermit the Frog.
And, but he kept playing this thing for me over and over.
And he's like, they're talking about you.
They're talking about your people.
And finally, it dawned on me.
And a month later, off went all my hair.
And I'm wearing my dad's boots and his jacket, which was 10 times too big for me.
And the rest is history.
That's incredible that the, I mean, it's not incredible.
I guess it's somewhat strange to me, the idea that the music can create the racial awakening as opposed to bad interactions in life or observations like that.
But really, form, form follows function, right?
You know, and that's why we say even these baldies that put out this bullshit anti-racist music, it still sounds nationalistic.
You know, if it without the words, it's still our music, you know.
So, so I think that there's something that touches the soul or something very primal about it.
Absolutely.
I agree with that because it was night and day between Screwdriver and Angelic Upstarts and the oppressed and the Cockney Rejects and the business.
But that's what I grew up listening to because back then there was Screwdriver and maybe Brutal Attack was just coming into play.
There wasn't like it is nowadays where there's, you know, there's 700 different bands in 800 different languages.
When people ask me, well, how's it going?
Especially younger people that think things are really bad right now.
I say, well, when I was a teenager, you could name every band.
Now, there's no way you could even keep up with just the bands in Germany, you know, or Poland.
You know, just any one country has so many bands, like the U.S. probably has the least bands of all countries.
Yeah.
Little teaser for the audience, I won't overshare at all, but there is a show coming up next month somewhere vaguely east of the Mississippi, north of the Mason-Dixon.
So I don't know what the logistics are there.
I unfortunately can't make it, but you might be able to reach out to Sam or reach out to me and I can ask a question just if this rejuvenates your interest in the scene.
Now, Eddie, were you already a musician at the time, or was it really just hearing the music that then got you into, I presume, the guitar and everything else?
But dad was a guitar player and he was actually pretty good.
But he would play like animals, animals, rolling stones kind of stuff.
And he bought me my first guitar in 84.
And I just started smashing on it.
First song I learned, he taught me how to play House of the Rising Sun.
Sure.
And I played the shit out of that.
I never want to hear that song again.
But then I just learned a couple of chords and I started just talking to myself while doing those chords and eventually started writing songs.
And by 86, we were cutting demos.
Amen.
I had a buddy growing up and his dad said, if you can play the solo from Freebird, then I'll buy you this expensive ass guitar.
I can't remember what the hell it was.
And I just remember him endlessly trying to learn how to play Freebird.
And I don't know if he ever got there.
I don't know.
You know, it was one of those things in high school and lost contact.
I hope he did.
He was an Irish guy too.
Now, did you?
It's three guitars on that.
I don't know which one he picked.
Maybe the easier one would have been the way to go.
Yeah.
And he could have.
Yeah, said, hey, Dad, I learned it.
Kind of cheating there.
All right.
So tell us, Iron Will is your band, not to disrespect any other members of the band.
How'd you go from learning to play the guitar and a budding skinhead into really developing a lifelong commitment to the scene and to creation?
Well, like I said, in 86 had a little band called No Control in Southern California.
And we did a handful of demos and a handful of shows around Riverside and the towns that we were in.
Never did any recording as far as getting it out there as far as nationalist music or anything, although we were going to shows and all that.
And, you know, everybody in Southern California knows everybody.
So all the bands were brothers.
And it wasn't until I came up here to the Pacific Northwest in 2011 with the idea of getting this band together, Iron Will.
Amen.
And we did play, I think it was Iron Wolf, perhaps the opening.
We use that as the bumper track.
And of course, we're going to hear some of your music.
White Wolf, I think.
White Wolf.
I look for it in the chat.
I couldn't find it, Sam, but I know that we played it.
And I think that we played a mistreat song.
And Sam and I had our signals scrambled a little bit there.
So, Eddie, when I look at you on camera, you look like a nice, normal guy, almost like a soccer dad.
And I don't mean that in a negative way.
You know, you don't look instantly scary.
I'm not giving you any guff.
He's flexing.
He's like, I'll show you scary coach, you son of a bitch.
But did you get into the rough and tumble, you know, boots and laces and kicking ass and taking names?
Or was it mostly music and partying?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Back when there used to be demonstrations down south, I mean, we were the ones that would staple our flags to baseball bats and we'd fly them around and then tuck them in when it was time to start swinging them.
Without probing, did you ever get pinched for getting a little over-enthusiastic in your activism?
Absolutely.
I took a nine-year turb on one.
Holy smokes.
All right.
What happened there?
Well, that's another long story, brother.
You don't have to share if you don't want.
Now, did you have daughters at the time, or was that before family?
Yeah, I did.
My youngest was one at the time.
So they're one, three, and 13.
Yeah.
Brutal.
And how long did you end up serving?
A little over eight.
Oh, good Lord.
All right.
I did not know that you served that kind of stint.
Was that living hell or just eight years that you made it through and then came out the other side?
No, well, I mean, it was hell mentally and psychologically.
But I mean, I am who I am.
I, you know, I had a lot of people that I, I don't want to say looked up to me because you go into California prisons and a lot of people are using drugs.
And I was never about that.
And so I used to harp on the guys and get to just tell them, I just get them going in the right direction.
Sometimes they'd be mad at me and I tell what you can't do shit.
You know, I'm right.
But just the worst part is just being away from your family and, you know, not being able to eat what you want, flip a light switch on, shit in private.
I was there in Folsom.
I was in old Folsom the whole time.
No kidding.
Were you tribed up with the other, you know, Aryan Nation or Brotherhood or the gangs in there?
Well, this was from 03 till 2011.
And, you know, all the AB and the NLRs and all that, they're all locked up in the back still.
So, but the skinheads were on the yard, and that's where I was.
Gotcha.
And I got to ask, did you, were you sober those whole seven years or were you getting some hooch behind bars?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was getting some hoosh behind bars for sure.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
I've heard some stories from another pal about the uh advanced chemistry that goes into making it there.
Um, any, yeah, go ahead.
There's that, and there's also Pure L. You know, I mean, you put a little salt in a bottle of Pure L and you and your Sally are getting hammered right now.
Oh, man.
Speaking of prison terms, a little teaser for the audience.
Our January 6th buddy called me the other day and said, Coach, I'm definitely want to come on, but the FBI still has my computer and all my gear.
So he's going to have to probably visit to do that show.
And Sam Rolo, I don't know how logistically we're going to do.
We've done it once or twice with an in-person interview and then tagging you guys in.
We'll have to put our finest minds on that one.
Sorry to probe on the uh on the stint, Eddie, but any uh rumbles, violence, brushes with death while you were in absolutely.
I mean, there's always removals and people that uh need a little get right and riots, and of course, all right, leave it at that.
Um, let's talk about the talk about the booze.
Uh, and you know, anyone who's been in the alt-right or the old or 1.0 or whatever the hell it is today has been to an event where somebody has had too much and made an ass of himself or ruined an event or put others at jeopardy or got crazy.
Um, and you know, it's I believe personally that your reaction to alcohol and your predisposition to addiction or abuse is in large part genetic.
Not that that excuses anybody for bad behavior or going over the top, but you know, I just personally, I can not drink for long stretches and be perfectly happy, not have a craving, never woke up in the morning wanting a beer.
But when I release the beast, if I'm out having a good time, have a capacity to overindulge.
Um, how bad was it for you, Eddie?
You know, was it fun and games at first and then it just sort of spiraled into badness, or was it always kind of a big problem for you?
Whatever you want to share.
Um, well, I would say my story is probably similar to most alcoholics.
It's always fun at first.
Um, I'm not sure how to approach this.
It's you it if I was drinking, I if I was enjoying it, I wasn't controlling it.
If I was controlling it, I wasn't enjoying it.
It's been said before.
Um, but it I would drink and I'd be able to keep up for so long.
And it just says years and years and years go by and it just takes its toll on your body.
And before you know it, you used to, you know, I'd be able to drink a fifth night every single night.
I'd take the cap off, throw it away, and that's what I would drink with dinner and get up and go to work the next day.
And it gets to the point where it takes less and less and less.
And before you know it, you know, you have half a pint and you're blacked out drunk and you're waking up on the garage floor wondering who you got to apologize to, what you did, how'd that get broke.
And it's just a vicious cycle.
And it went on and on and on for years.
And that's, I mean, I can go on and on about it.
Kind of got so much going on in my brain right now.
I don't know where to start.
Go ahead, Sam.
It's it is so sad to see in people because I've I've known so many people who have wrecked cars, wrecked more than one car, fights between friends and friendships ended, events ruined, marriages ruined, lives ruined.
It's it's it anyone who's listening to this will certainly know the truth of what we're saying.
And in our humble little group over here, we have a number of guys that are sober guys.
And I think it's really cool to see these guys show up and some of them might bring their non-alcoholic beer, whatever it is, but they show that you can have a good time and you don't got to be wasted.
And I think that's maybe a lot of people get lost in that.
They can't see that you can have a good time without booze.
And that's what I think is important about this story.
It's probably frightening to think of going to a party and not drinking, even if you don't have a problem, right?
It just becomes such a standard go-to to loosen up and cut loose.
But go ahead, yeah.
Well, and also, I was going to say, like, so it's Lent.
I gave up drinking for Lent.
Not that I'm a gigantic drinker, but it is hard to give it up.
But one guy was telling me he was about his drinking, and he finally said, Yeah, he's an alcoholic.
And I said, You know, try giving it up for a week, and you'll be surprised how good you feel.
And, you know, even after a couple of weeks myself, I, you know, I think like I'm not going back to it at all, ever, maybe, you know, but it's hard to get people to think that way.
And that's why the discussion is important.
Yeah.
And I've been on a little bit of that adventure myself, Sam, because for me, it's just feeling like garbage, absolute trash the next day.
Even if five, six beers, like, oh, foggy, lethargic, uh, starving, feeling like I need a nap.
And when you really think about it, this kind of is poison.
It drains your wallet.
It adds empty, empty calories.
Empty calories risks your ass.
You're a less effective father if you're hammered and worse.
So I've been, I've been going long stretches without it.
I bought a, I, full disclosure, I bought a six pack of tall boys in Miller Lake for St. Patrick's Day and I had three.
So, you know, it didn't exactly light the town on fire.
But well, and it helps, I think, if people like, if I'm going to have some drinks, I try to have like a rule.
Okay, I'm going to have two or I'm going to have three or something like that.
And I thought it was cute, that little missive you told us about.
If it gets after a certain time and you've been, you had a couple drinks or something, you and your wife, you just don't talk.
Yep.
I don't know.
It was 11 or was it midnight?
What was that?
Midnight.
Midnight's left hanging over.
Yep.
Sorry.
You know, because it just, you know, if especially if somebody's going to start fussing with somebody else, it's just nothing's going to go right after that.
So that, you know, those little rules, I think, are also things people should consider.
Yeah.
Eddie, how about the hangovers, man?
I mean, going to work the next day after putting a fifth away is pain.
It's pain.
How the hell?
I mean, you just powered through?
Did you ignore it?
And I've known people too who can like drink until four o'clock in the morning, get two hours of sleep, and then get up the next day and go do hard manual labor.
And they're right as rain.
Like some people do have that constitution.
Every day would be different.
And really, the hangovers would only last half a day because as soon as you're getting in the truck, you're buying a beer on the way home and you're back on the booze as soon as you're off.
So, but every day would be different.
What was it that, you know, did you try and fail?
Did you have that epiphany where you're like, all right, this is it.
I'm done.
Well, how did you quit?
It was 2016 and it was a group of guys up here and one of our guys murdered three of our guys and got busted for it, of course, and shot a fourth in the face.
And it was just so much, it was just so much death and depression.
And I woke up on the floor of the garage one morning and I remember crawling to, we had a refrigerator freezer and I remember as drunk as I was, I remember like it was yesterday, I was crawling to the freezer because I knew I still had another half gallon of black velvet in there.
What's black velvet?
I don't know that one.
That's just whiskey.
Rough ride.
Rough ride.
And I remember sitting there and I was crying and I was just down in it.
And my wife was, she got on the horn with some of our people down south that are in recovery and actually are like head coordinators of a rehab center where they have all these different houses and a rehab and it's all legit.
And it's, I don't want to plug them because I don't know the deal on that, but it's totally legit, totally legit.
And it's one of those $5,000 a day things.
And they, that, that next day, they got me on a plane back down to LA and I was in there for a couple weeks and got that poison out and thought I was good.
And, but it wasn't long enough.
So as soon as I got back up, I was drinking.
And other stories and things had transpired after that.
But 2018, I was just sick to death.
I lost everything I loved in life.
My wife, my kids, the only thing I had left was a job and a truck and a little bit of money for booths.
And nobody wanted nothing to do with me.
The band had broke up.
I shit the bed too many, too many times.
And I'm telling the lighthearted part of the story, but it just, I was super depressed and I needed it.
It was either it was either death or get sober.
And I did it.
And I just quit drinking.
I just quit.
And I did it, you know, as cliche as it sounds one day at a time.
And I didn't hang out with people that were drinking.
I wasn't really hanging out at all.
I just did it.
If I went out to eat, I would have a lemonade and I would just, my kids still didn't talk to me for a couple of years.
And then they started hearing from other people, hey, your dad's sober, man.
He's doing really good.
He's putting on weight.
He's looking good.
And slowly they started coming around.
And once they started coming around, I knew I had a reason.
I knew that I could get the things that I loved in life back.
And the only way to get that back was to not drink.
And so I kept at it, kept at it.
Then they started coming around more.
And now they're the loves of my life.
Life is good.
I've remarried.
She's sober 12 years.
So we lean on each other.
And, you know, I help talk people off the ledge that are having issues with it.
And I wish, I mean, I talk about all my brother-in-laws in rehab right now.
He's been in rehab six times in the last two or three months.
Lost everything too.
Still got a house.
But there's, I wish I could be that guy that could go to the show or go out to the river.
We got boats and rivers and stuff up here.
I'd love to be able to be that guy that could just have two or three beers, enjoy the taste of the beer because I love the taste of beer.
Sure.
But I can't because I'm an alcoholic and I know that if I break the seal, I'm going to be right back.
It's not going to be tomorrow, maybe not next month, but it's going to slowly go.
It's inevitable.
That's just how it works.
Right.
And you saw it with your father too.
I mean, were you aware this whole time?
You're like, oh man, I'm kind of turning into my old man.
Was he a bad alcoholic or more functional?
He was both.
I mean, he was at times he was sloppy.
At times he wasn't.
I mean, he was retired Air Force and got out and was a bartender and just, I know, he was my drinking partner for quite a while there.
Sure.
Does it still, is it still a bit of a cloud or a shadow out there, a temptation?
Or have you, have you gone long enough that it doesn't bug you anymore and you're happier without it?
I can go to a bar and have tacos and not even trip.
But my wife and I went to the casino earlier today and a guy sat next to me and he had an IPA and the beers that I liked were the IPAs and I could just smell like a Christmas tree and it was coming right up.
I could taste it through my nose and I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed the smell, but did for a minute did I think, you know, I could go sneak off and have one?
No, because I know what that's, I know what it is.
It's poison.
If you walk through the store today and you, there was no such thing as alcohol and you've seen this new product on the shelf and it said the side effects are blackouts, dizziness, just the whole list of things that come along with being drunk.
Would you buy that product?
I know I wouldn't.
But no, I'm cool.
But the thing is, I don't have a temptation to drink, but I can't stand being around drunk people.
Yeah.
But going to these shows, it's hard sometimes.
It's like, man, that used to be me.
I can't get mad at him because as much as I want to punch him in the nose, I can't because these people, they took such good care of me when we're out playing shows or just my brothers around here.
Man, I wasn't worthy of the love and support that I got while I was being a drunk.
And I'm forever grateful that nobody ever punched me in the nose because I got a nice nose.
I sure do.
Now, not to give you any ideas, Eddie, but have you ever messed with the non-alcoholic Oduels?
There's like a bigger selection of non-alcoholic beers now.
I don't know if that's a good idea or a bad idea, but it's a thing now.
It's like a phenomenon.
Yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
And I do those.
There's an athletic IPA that is zero.
I don't even do the 0.5 or whatever.
It's got to be 0, 0, because I do like the taste of beer, but I do not do alcohol.
I can't have it.
So when we go to shows, man, I get a nice chest and I pack it full of those things and I get by, bro.
I don't drink.
And that's another thing.
I'm sorry, I keep swearing.
Rolo goes right for the pan of paper.
Going and playing and being around brothers in other states and all that, they've seen me at my worst.
And so I get full of joy when I'm out and we're doing these things.
And they're looking at me and they're like, they see it now with their eyes and they believe it and they're proud of me and they, you know, they compliment me.
And that's another thing just helps keep me going.
The next time you go to a show, Eddie, you should just put like a black, black electric tape around all the bottles in your cooler and just slam like five of them in a row and start going crazy.
Smiling.
I don't know.
You're a good sport.
He's back on the saddle or whatever.
How about advice for our guys?
Now there's the crawling to the fridge, you know, in the morning to hit that black velvet.
And then there's probably, I don't know, a quarter of the audience of guys out there who are going, yeah, I might have a little problem.
I don't know if I'm a full-blown alcoholic, but I drink too much and it's sometimes a problem for me in life.
Tips for them, you know, because nobody wants to say, I have a problem and I need to quit.
Some guys absolutely need that.
Others need to dial it back, you know, finessing it versus quitting it completely.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there's so much advice to be given.
If you're not sure, you got, you know, if you've got a problem or not.
But one way you could tell is if you can show up with a 12-pack of Coke and you tell somebody, yeah, I'm going to drink all these Cokes, they're going to think, yeah, this dude's got a problem.
But if you show up, if you if you show up with your suitcase of beer under your arm and these are my beers, no one's going to think there's a problem.
That's a bad analogy, but you know, you know, if you've got a problem and if you got a problem, there's people out there to talk to.
And I mean, just don't drink.
If you think you got a problem, man, just try not drinking.
Just don't drink the next time.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe you got to substitute it with other things.
You know, I've tried doing different things like I gave up coffee.
And so I would have like a really, really tart lemonade or limeade in the morning to give you that, you know, kind of a get you going feeling, you know, or like when I give up drinking for a while, I'll get some of that San Pellegrino, you know, sparkling water, something to kind of make it interesting, something to look forward to.
And I just stay away from any drinking, you know.
Yeah, lemonade was my jam.
Yeah, it kind of something that kind of gets your attention, wakes up your taste buds right away.
I'm thinking of nicotine and how, you know, I quit smoking many times for more than a year.
And then I had a good stretch where only if I traveled, then I would buy a pack.
And I was able to like just smoke while traveling and then come back and not do it.
And then you bum one at a party.
And then you're like, might go, you know, for it depends on your chemistry, your genetics, and what's going to get its hooks in you.
So I know the addiction psychology and risks with dabbling with it, thinking you get it under control, can do a little bit here.
And then before you know it, it sneaks up on you.
So Godspeed to, you don't need it, Eddie, but to everybody in the audience who might be, might be nodding along here.
Good luck.
Reach out.
I don't know if reaching out to Sam or me or Eddie is necessary or a good idea, but you know what I mean.
Reach out if you need help.
And tell us about your life today, Eddie.
You're still making music.
I assume you're still working.
Are you still deeply involved in the scene?
Are you semi-retired?
What's cooking in your life these days?
It's hard to be 100% in this country anymore because there's really nothing going on.
But I'm always a stone's throw away from a guitar and I'm playing it all the time.
We're coming up with new stuff, signing on for as many shows as we can, wherever we can.
Still working, of course.
I'm still on vacation.
Probably go for another week or two and then jump back in.
Life is good.
My children are happy and healthy.
My wife is healthy and happy.
My dogs are cool.
Well, he sent me a picture of himself on vacation with this beautiful chick on his arm.
That's got to be his wife.
Yes, sir.
All right.
When the alt-right was coming around 2015, 2016, did you look at us like a bunch of snot-nose, know-it-all, preppy dickheads?
Were you excited to see things get rejuvenated?
What was your, you know, give us a little bit of, you know, your old school ass kicker, not as interested in the stuff that's going on today?
Everybody's going to answer that question differently.
I don't care where you come from, how you get there.
Just come on board.
Right on.
Exactly.
You know, when this alt-right thing started, I started trying to bring the skinhead music around, even on the show before this one that Coach used to be on.
And I, it was called the fatherland.
You know, I'd bring around the skinhead music.
I'm not expecting or trying to get anyone to be a skinhead necessarily, but people, you need this music in your life.
You need this music in your house.
And white nationalist music is not just OI and RAC.
There's so many different things going on in white nationalist music that's exciting.
And it's not that it's derivative.
We have our own thing.
You know, there's like black metal, but there's NS black metal, which has a distinct sound to me, you know.
And so there's so much and the music is touches the soul, touches, it's kind of a spiritual thing, you know.
And the thing about the current era, I think that is great is back in the 80s when Eddie and I were getting into this, it was there's some truth to like what the liberals would say.
Oh, these are troubled people, you know, getting into this, or these are, you know, and if you look back on our lives, there's, you know, a certain amount of weirdos and odd people and stuff like that that come in this thing.
But what is great about this current day and age, which I credit a lot, the internet, is it's crossed over into like, I'll call them normies or white collar people, right?
So this white nationalist mentality has broken out from the way it used to be, which I think is great.
I agree exactly with what Eddie said.
We want you on the team.
We want people to come and be part of this.
You don't have to be a skinhead per se, but, you know, this is about saving our people.
And it's about just having like a healthy outlook on life.
When you're caught up in the lies of the enemy, you know, life is confusing and frustrating.
But on our side is truth and light.
Absolutely.
And you start dipping into the music and there's a sound for everybody.
I mean, there's baby making music of Slipnir.
There's, you know, oh, oh, Griff will make a grown man cry.
I'm telling you.
There's a sound for everybody.
Sam and I did a white noise radio episode with Nate from ADS.
And I don't remember if I probed on the creative process that he and Wellington Arms pursued.
But how about yourself, Eddie?
When you are writing a song, do you start with a riff first and then build the lyrics around it or vice versa?
What's your creative process?
There's usually no formula.
Sometimes I've got lyrics in my head.
Sometimes it starts there and I build a guitar around it.
So I'm just sitting here with a guitar and then I build the lyrics around that.
And so then Chris will get on board with the bass.
We'll go in.
We'll run it to a click track without the drums as our drummer lives in a different state, eight hours away.
We'll shoot it on over to him.
He'll run his bit.
He'll send it back over.
And we'll throw some vocals, some gang vocals, and cut it loose to y'all.
Good stuff.
Where can the audience find your music, Iron Will?
Tinnitus Records for sure.
HC Streetwear.
Webelsburg or Gallihorn out in Germany.
I think most of the all the outfits have it.
Somebody gets a lot of women and then they do tinnitus is a good option there.
It's in the U.S., so it ships more or less locally.
And, you know, when Eddie and I, we started chatting and all that, he kind of caught me flat-footed because I didn't realize he had so much stuff out.
I do have the one record.
And then as I thought about it, he's on some compilations.
And so, but when I went on to tinnitus and I searched, I saw there was a couple full-length albums.
The one that I got, it's Until My Boots Turned to Dust, but it's like a repressing of it and it has some extra stuff on there.
I highly recommend it.
It's got the gravitas.
In this type of music, there's got to be enough production to clean it up and make it all sound balanced.
But then there's letting the rawness come through because everybody has, whether it's the vocalist, has some nuance to his voice.
And even guitar, two people pick up the guitar and they have a different touch to it.
And that has got to be allowed to come out in the recording.
And something being overproduced can cover all that can cover those details up.
And so I was really pleased with that record that I bought from Tinitis.
Definitely, I would go to Tinnitus.
Their site is a little hard to navigate.
You got to kind of page through it.
You know, it's hard to look things up sometimes, but definitely Tinitis, or like you've mentioned, you know, Bevelsburg, HC Streetwear, those are all good as well.
Sure.
Label 56 still around?
I don't know.
I don't know either.
They got some of our stuff, too.
All right.
We'll put those links in the show notes.
Absolutely.
Got it circled with a star for my occasionally flaky ass the day after a show.
Eddie, did you ever go wobbly on our ideals, looking around at some of the wreckage and say, ah, you know, I should have just been a damn normie and left the stuff behind?
Serious question.
Never.
You mean a knock on down the road I went?
Yeah, you know, just, yeah, any crises of confidence where you're like, oh man, you know, if it weren't for this, for this scene, you know, my life would have been better or easier.
Time to pack it up.
No, absolutely not.
I'm pretty pleased that the path I took.
The ups and downs made it all worth it.
And I wouldn't trade none of it for a dime because it made me the person I am today.
Amen.
How about your favorite childhood memory?
The first thing that comes to mind that's pleasant without thinking too hard about it.
Well, I remember we were pretty young.
This has nothing to do with nationalism or nothing, but I remember we used to go to the beach quite a bit.
My dad said, look, we're going to go all the way to the beach without coming to a complete stop.
And we drove down to Camp Pendleton, which is in San Diego, from Riverside.
And I remember we didn't stop once.
We'd get up to a stoplight.
He'd just move.
He did not put that.
He didn't come to a complete stop till we were in the parking lot.
Good stuff.
Pacific Northwest, your home for the rest of your days.
You like it up there?
It's my present home.
I've been up here since 2011.
Man, it is a beautiful part of the country.
The whole left coast, West Coast is, I don't need to preach to the choir.
We know where they stand politically.
But as far as the earth and the land, boy, it's second to none to me.
Amen.
Yeah, we got a lot of Pac Northwest supremacists in the cause who said, if you haven't been out here, if you haven't spent time out here, you wouldn't understand.
There's a reason why Bob wanted us up here.
I consider, well, I consider West Virginia the big leagues, but it's just because I haven't spent a lot of time out there for sure.
I'm a West Virginia supremacist here myself.
If you can't bring yourself to move that far, consider the mountain mama.
It ain't too shabby.
Down in the holler.
That's exactly right.
We got some bonds behind me.
That's where the peepers are coming from.
And almost every day, I thank my lucky stars that I escaped DC and ended up here.
Seriously.
All right.
Do you know what you want to play for the break?
I think, you know, we were a little, yeah, let's play some music and then come back if that sounds good to you, Eddie.
Yeah.
All right.
What do you got in the hopper?
Make it a crowd pleaser.
All right.
Well, this song I wrote probably 10 years ago, drunk as a skunk, very depressed.
And I thought life was, you know, I thought the booze was going to take my life away.
Anyway, so I had written a song on my back playing the 12-string guitar.
And I remember the lyrics to this day.
Well, I just celebrated seven years of sobriety last month.
So I figured it was finally time to write and record this song.
It's called I'm Free, Iron Wheel.
Check it out.
All right.
We'll be right back.
Will you still be there singing my songs?
Will you hold on before the fire?
Will you light the match to my funeral pyre?
I hope you all remember me and take comfort knowing I'm free.
Why I'm watching you all from Bell Hall, from Bell Hall.
And I'll be here to greet you when you fall.
Why I've lived a life so full of crime.
Well, I love my comrades worldwide.
Well, I know with them you're in good hands.
And I love to be with you again.
I hope you all remember me and take a bird knowing I'm free.
I'm watching you all from home.
And I'll be here to greet you when you fall
Will you keep my memory strong?
Think of me with eyes towards the sky, from the sky, and never lets my horn run dry.
It's a Full House, episode 209, second half.
It's been a while since I said welcome back to Full House.
Not exactly because we've been shirking, but just because we've been plowing through on extra long first hours, just going for it.
And Eddie has been gracious enough to not just, you know, share a lot of that partially painful life story and good stuff as well, but to join us for the second part here.
And it's also been a long time since we had new white life.
Now, I don't have a bumper crop, unfortunately, but I did receive word just the other day from a good friend I'll call Jay, who let us know that he's got his magic number four on the way.
And it's long enough down the road that he knows he's having a boy.
So to Jay and his wife and his already large, beautiful family, congratulations.
Good luck in the home stretch.
And yeah, I'm jealous.
Whenever anybody sends me new white life or baby pics, I just say, I'm jealous.
Good job.
It does touch a special nerve when you see that for me.
My wife is in one of these nationalist art chats.
I'll call it art chat.
And there's a lady in there, just had a baby daughter.
So we can mention that.
I don't even know the name, but she was talking about it.
So we did have that one as well.
Fair enough.
A guy reached out the other day and just to send me a meme.
And I realized right above that was this nice testimonial about the show and how it's helped.
And I said, oh, crap.
I don't, did I read that one on the air?
He said, yeah.
Don't worry, Coach.
You're good.
Thank you.
I wasn't fishing for thanks, buddy.
Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it.
Regardless, let's talk a little.
We haven't talked politics at all.
You know, it was all excitement and drama and hits kept coming one after the other in the first, I think about the first month of the Trump administration.
And now it seems like the hangover has set in.
The honeymoon is over.
The other day in the span of 24 hours, you had boom, boom, boom.
Now, I'm not issuing an excuse for Trump or the administration, but it was like one judge struck down the tranny ban in the military.
Then you had that other definite Jew, Boasberg, who was like, no, the Venezuelan gang members must be returned to the United States.
And then you had the other guy saying, yeah, all the USAID people need to be rehired.
That was unconstitutional.
It's so bad that I'm almost optimistic.
Now, we were lukewarm at best on Trump going into the election.
Then he came out storming and said, okay, this is a different beast.
This is good.
Bad things will come.
Yawn, React, and told you so, fell for it again, guys, can go pound sand because never once did we say, oh, it's finally the God Emperor.
We even said, like, yes, the Zionism is baked in the cake.
They will do bad things.
I will accept the deportation of brown leftist anti-white students, even if it's done for the wrong reasons and it's to protect Jewish and Israeli interests on campuses.
But you have seen for sure sort of the bills start to come due with the BB meetings and ramping up a little bit on Iran.
Apparently, we issued some ultimatum to the Ayatollah the other day, you know, demanding more progress on the thing.
But, you know, are they really going to go to war with Iran?
I'm less confident that that's in the cake than I was before the election for sure.
The economy has kind of suffered, or at least the markets have, as a result of him laudably trying to build tariffs as a source of national revenue.
Just today, he canceled the Department of Education, or at least issued an executive order that will inevitably be struck down by a federal judge.
But you get the sense that the rubber is going to meet the road somehow and they're going to take this to the Supreme Court.
And then it's going to be a question of whether John Roberts wakes up feeling like a woman or like a man again.
And Amy Coney Roberts is probably out of it.
But they're still churn.
They're still doing things.
Yeah, things are happening.
And it's just not all excitement and promises.
Now it's getting tough.
And of course, the whole budget fiasco where like there was no legislation being proposed.
The House and the Senate GOP had one job, which was to pass a budget, the one big, beautiful bill or two beautiful bills to fund things.
They couldn't do that.
So they had to punt again until September, which is disgusting and business as usual.
So here we are.
And I don't know.
Eddie, do you pay attention to politics?
Do you have a strong feeling about Trump Zionist shill or simply better than the alternative?
And we'll go right back to you.
I have no idea.
I mean, we're living in the Twilight Zone.
It's such a weird time to be alive.
That's all I got to say.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Well, I think that, for instance, all those things with the judges striking things down, this is not lost on the common man because it's, and you, you hear, or at least I hear people overhear people talking about it's like you can't do anything because one of these Jew judges is just is just going to step in and issue it.
Like what kind of government and country do we have where any one guy here here Trump was elected with a strong majority and all the electoral college votes, all that stuff to do things, whether we agree with all of it or not, but he was elected to do these things.
There's obviously a lot of enthusiasm.
There's a very high 80 plus percent approval rating.
And then this one Jew judge out of nowhere can just stop everything.
It just doesn't make sense.
And even though that's frustrating to say that, it is not lost on the common man and the frustration of the people.
You know, we've spent a lot of time analyzing like the psychology of where the American person is supporting Trump and how it's building.
And these types of things have to come so it can continue to build towards that frustration has got to break in some way.
So there is that.
I think that's one point.
The other thing is this most recent few weeks here has seen somewhat of a heroic personality step forth.
This Thomas Massey has certainly generated a lot of excitement.
Who I wrote in for the record.
Yeah.
And, you know, and once again, touching on the common man's thing, I think that's what's notable about the time we live in.
Not that Trump is the great choice or the right guy or that anything in a current political milieu is something that is good, but it is the people, the question, that question that's on everyone's mind is coming to the fore, which is, yeah, that's right.
Stop supporting Ukraine with money, all this millions and hundreds of millions or billions, whatever it is.
How about Israel too?
Can we stop?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And the cries have been, I mean, massive outcries against what about, yeah, when is Doge going to get into Israel?
How about we need to start impeaching these judges?
Yeah.
It's at least opening up possibilities that weren't there before.
Absolutely.
Now, I don't know about the 80% approval rating, Sam.
Maybe among Republicans, he's gotten 80% approval.
That was after the State of the Union.
And I'm not trying to carry Waters.
Like after the state of the Union there was.
It was like 82 I want to say 82 approval.
In hindsight that was sort of like the high watermark of the early first part of the term.
It was, it seems like, right after that.
You know, and that was great rhetoric.
I watched the whole thing.
It was entertaining as hell.
I actually laughed like it was funny.
He was talking about, you know, turning vice into training.
He said yeah, and and I can look and say okay, some of this is boob bait for Bubba.
Uh yes, of course he had the black brain damage kid up there who got, you know uh, an honorary secret service.
But uh, this spectacle, the spectacle of it all.
How'd you know, how'd you know he had brain damage, that he had brain tumor?
He had a brain tumor.
I assume there was some damage.
How'd he get that?
Uh, fluoride in the water?
I don't know.
Yeah, if you give the brain.
Oh yeah leave, leave the kids alone.
Yeah, it was funny how the?
Uh, the Democrats, they wouldn't applaud or give any acknowledgement.
Yeah, talks with Putin.
You know, there's all this wild stuff out there and he throws at the wall left and right all the time.
All right yeah, we're gonna take over Nordstream too.
We're gonna stop the sharing weapons and uh intelligence.
Okay, now we're gonna re start resharing.
We're gonna kick Zelensky out of the Oval Office one day all right now, he's our best friend the next day.
And I realized that, you know, just not not having an emotional bond to Trump and just viewing this, you know simply, you know sort of categorically or transactionally right, like you do good things good if you break some, break some things.
Good if you, if you talk and you give everything to Israel, there you go.
That can't go on forever, but and I I do believe that strongly that that is not going to be a lasting thing, and I bet you, the Israelis and the Jews know it too, because they're freaking out.
Yeah, the Trump, uh Boxing Doll is uh in the in view there.
I don't know if you caught that coach.
Oh no, I see, there you go.
So I don't know, i'm i'm just i'm just watching and yeah well, weighing in and and it's it.
There is a uh, a ratcheting up right, because you have, like you made ref reference to cracking down on things at at uh college campuses, deporting people and all that.
The, the pot is getting stirred up.
So the left and the right.
Now you might say yeah, but we, you know, we can't really take a side.
And it just it reminds me of many years ago with Horace The Avenger, you know, going way back to the early, you know 2010, type range 2011 12, how he races Hitler yeah, and he well.
But what, what eventually will happen is is, it's not going to be a fight between us and the left, it's going to be a fight between Normies and the left, and then the next fight will be between us and the Normies.
Who will win?
So um it's, it's interesting how so many uh things he he described has shaped up through the years.
Things with Russia, for instance.
I don't know if you were ever a fan of that, any of you guys uh, Horace The Avenger, but uh uh, you know, there there is those types of things like you're saying coach, it's uh we're, we're kind of observing, we're laughing and pointing or taking advantage of it.
Um, and it's funny to watch the memes.
You know, you get these wave of memes and and one day they'll be kind of Pro-Trump and then the next day they'll be kind of Anti-Trump, pointing out how Jewish behaviors.
Yeah, like there are good things happening.
There are terrible things happening.
The border invasion flow influx sieve has been effectively shut.
If you look under the, I mean, they're not cooking the books that the border encounters are at all time record lows.
That's not nothing.
That's like the root cause.
First, you would stop the flood, then you would clean up the mess.
Have there been mass deportations?
No, there have not.
Am I slightly understanding that they cannot exactly ramp it up to 100 overnight with a dusty, demoralized ICE?
Absolutely.
They got three of the top 10 FBI most wanted guys in the first couple of months.
Apparently, it took Biden two or three years.
You know, some of the stuff is FUD and symbolic, but canceling the Department of Education, right?
What would be the Uber-based move would be, I guess, to make the Department of Education a bastion of nationalist indoctrination and pride and race and country.
Is that in the realm of the possible today?
No, no, I'll take trying to cancel it.
Yeah, you got to read where we are today.
Even if we were to grant Trump is well motivated and doing good things for good reasons, if any of us became the president, we couldn't just do what we wanted because there's too many forces arrayed.
You know, our enemies literally are in control of this country and Trump is like a halfway possible force to maybe do a couple good things.
Sure.
So we have to call it like it is.
Who's one of the most prominent commentators on the right today?
Tucker Carlson, basically just putting it out there and writing, you want to ruin this country and presidency and get a lot of people killed?
Go to war against Iran for Israel's interests.
I think he put Israel in there or for another country's interests.
You know, whatever you think about him, the warning shots have been fired and all of those things are in the realm of the conversation and the development of where the right looks at things that would have just been purely negative reactionary if Kamblo were in office.
I don't have a dog in this fight necessarily.
I think I've just seen enough good things to say that this was a better outcome than the alternative, which we've discussed previously.
You know, Israel would still be getting weapons.
We would be far more hawkish on Russia right now and perpetuating that war.
There would be no prospect of Europe and the United States sort of semi-separating or at least acknowledging that we have separate interests.
All of those things are creating churn, if not exactly 100% moves in the right direction, for which I am grateful.
On the personal side of things, we are starting to gear up for, well, first off, I have driven so many miles just in the past two weeks for kids sports.
And I'm constantly, you know, I've had people in my ear before who say, nah, that's stupid.
You know, like they don't need to play all these sports.
You know, you'll run yourself ragged and every weekend will be devoted to it.
And it's true, but I can't possibly, you know, it's not like I'm forcing the kids to play sports and get involved in these activities.
Like they're excited to do them.
So I'm just grinning and bearing it.
You know, if you can, if you can make it work and it doesn't become a drudgery, then I would say it's good.
And just like Adolf Hitler said, the most important thing about a child's development and their education is physical fitness and physical activity, because physical fitness and physical activity is something that you bring with you into adulthood.
If we think of the brightest person we know or even ourselves, think of how much do you remember from your 12 years of primary education?
You know, you might remember 15% of it if you're one of the brightest ones, but bringing health and good habits and healthy living into adulthood is, I think, at least as important, if not more important, than the book learning.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not like they're training to be Romanian gymnasts in the Olympics, but they love it.
I love watching them.
It's simply, the other thing is we're not in the suburbs anymore.
So it's not like the soccer fields are five minutes away.
Everything is 15 to 20, sometimes half an hour away.
And, you know, it's like, I'm just going to suck it up.
Like today, I had to pick up Junior from a practice and then it was half the way to the other practice.
So I had to drive there and then wait an hour for that practice to start and then watch him practice and then take him home just because the distances don't make sense to go back and forth.
And I'm, you know, breaking out my violin a little bit, but at the same time, it's a wonderful problem to have too, to have kids that like like sports, are good at them and to have the luxury to devote the time to make it happen and not hire some Mexican to go be their chauffeur.
Right.
Even if I had the luxury.
Eddie, any tomorrow.
Wanted to mention that, coach.
That's exciting.
But yeah, guess what?
Snow on the ground today in these parts.
Yep.
It turned.
Speaking of spring, this is the best time of year to get your solar therapy in without getting too graphic.
I do like to sunbathe.
I'm not one of those creeps.
I'm not, you know, holding my legs up or whatever, but I do appreciate some genital solar therapy for sure.
I mean, it's, you got to, have you tried it, Sam?
Laying out in the sun?
Buck naked.
I have not tried it.
Eddie.
Eddie's smiling.
Eddie, you got to try this too.
And now, now, caveat, you got to make sure that you don't live, you know, within eyesight of a school or a hospital or anything like that.
When you're out, when you're out in the sticks, you can sunbathe on your deck.
But that's been my new thing.
Wake up.
All right, it's sunny out there.
All right, the kids are at school.
I'm going out to get some vitamin D on these nuts and go about my day.
I had to turn the camera off to save bandwidth, but I am starting to enter Mexican mat mode, as my wife said.
Yeah, whatever.
It's good for you.
But yeah, springtime.
We've got the old, we got the old Christmas tree out in the back by the fire pit.
So that means tomorrow, tomorrow we will, I'll have to drag the kids out and have the annual conflagration of the beloved family Christmas tree to welcome in spring.
We always do that on the spring equinox.
And the other thing is, you know, Junior's going to high school next year, which is so exciting.
I'm more excited about it than he is.
We had to go through and pick his courses, his electives, and his future.
You know, what are your academic aspirations and what's going to be your launching pad and having all those conversations about this is when life really begins, Junior.
You know, this is when your grades really matter.
This is when the friends that you make really matter.
This is when the decisions you make really matter.
You're going to be driving in a couple of years.
All these things.
And he's sort of taking it in stride.
And I just can't help but think, man, I wish I could go back and do that all over again.
In hindsight, you know, everybody's got to be good at something, Eddie.
But in hindsight, you know, to be able to go back and do high school over, you know, I don't really want to take calculus again or anything like that, but just the sports and the girls and the parties and, you know, coming into school, having your driver's license.
I was so proud when I got my driver's license, whatever that was, sophomore or junior year, showing it to everybody.
Just, you know, it's basically emerging from your chrysalis as a boy into something approaching a man.
And I think I'm getting more eye rolls than nods at this point.
And I told him, I was like, grandma and grandpa never told me, like, they didn't tell me about like what high school was like or what to expect or how it matters.
Maybe they didn't have to because I was a pretty good kid until I got to high school.
Then I started to sow some wild oats.
But I don't know if you, if you, did you have that experience, Sam, where like you think like, my parents didn't tell me about this stuff, but you told your kids about it.
Maybe I'm over sharing with the kids or being too candid with them and too hands up, too hands-on.
But when in doubt, I'm like, oh, yeah, all these things are going to happen.
You have to think about this and this and stay away.
You know, you run.
It was in a crowd.
Different day, different day and age.
You know, people didn't talk like that to their kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just sitting here and just baffled that you're talking about high school and wanting to do that again.
I mean, I can't do it again.
I didn't do it the first time.
I was out at six.
I was out at 16 and then you said your driver's license.
I didn't get that till I was 41.
Worlds, man.
Yeah, no, yeah.
I mean, hey, you know, middle class New Jersey, two parents, good parents.
I had a, you know, a blessed, you know, if I had a harder childhood, maybe I would have come out as a harder man with a little bit more of an iron spine, but no regrets.
And the constant, yeah, yeah.
Am I over sharing with the kids?
Am I too hands-on?
Am I too indulgent?
And I always say, well, better, better to err on the side of involvement and that stuff than being cold or removed or disinterested.
Yeah, they are wrong.
They can edit out what they don't want to hear.
It's easier to edit than it is to add stuff that wasn't there in the first place.
So I think you're on that track.
How do they react?
Do they say, oh, dad, or do they listen?
Sometimes they should, absolutely.
Sometimes.
I mean, the best one was when we were on a long car ride to an indoor soccer game and somehow college came up.
It was either college or personal finance or a little bit of both.
And, you know, a lot of, you know, these long car rides, I don't expect anybody to have a conversation the entire time.
We'll listen to music or they're playing games in the back.
And we're just talking about college and life and finance and mortgages and debt and credit and credit cards and all that stuff.
And before you knew it, we were there.
And I was like, man, I wish they could always be like that.
You know, sometimes it just happens.
So, yeah, I just wonderful childhood growing up, but I just think of all the stuff.
Huh, we never talked about that.
Absolutely never any lighthearted jokes about sex, nothing gratuitous whatsoever, but zero like, you know, and I was grateful for that too.
The last thing I wanted to hear was anything about that stuff from my parents.
Ah, you know, I gagged myself just thinking about it.
But there's a little bit of a more lighthearted, open discussion environment in our home than compared to what I was familiar with growing up, which may be good.
Probably, I hope.
We'll see.
I think it's kind of a byproduct of how in our day they talked about the generation gap, you know, where young people and older people couldn't relate, which I feel like it was, that was engineered on purpose.
You know, as morals and traditions or things were broken down and insulted and belittled and all that kind of stuff, it was, that was all by plan to break, break society down.
Now that society really is largely broken down, but these new, it springs anew, if you will.
Sure.
that's that's what you're you're experiencing is is that just that feeling of you know you're you're clawing we're all clawing to have family and to have some cohesion in our life the way this society is multi-racial multicultural everyone is atomized and and no one feels connected so maybe there's a you know that's that uh longing for it causes it to spring spring forth anew Yeah.
And I think a big part of it too, maybe it's a bit of a Hollywood cliche, you know, the either the silent generation, the parents of the boomers were like, you go to school, then you go to college, then you get a job, or you go get a job and you're out of the house at 18.
You know, just the facts, this is, you know, that's your job.
And as an old millennial, I was born 81, you know, with way more cynicism about the system, way more lessons about things that have gotten gone wrong.
You know, I'm saying, you don't go to college just to go to college.
If you need to live here for a little bit longer, I would love to have you close to home, even under the roof, but you're not going to be a layabout, you know, lazy ass with no job and no upward trajectory, that sort of stuff.
And, you know, the knowledge of what college is, often just a degree mill bakanol for, you know, binge drinking and parties and stupid useless courses that you go into debt for.
We are not doing that.
Yeah, rack up a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.
Yeah, you're really a fool if you just run off to college like that.
I think the analysis has been done where the degree doesn't even pay for itself in many cases.
So I would, it's not to say that maybe that can't fit into some kind of plan, but just to just to be automatically go do that and not have a plan, I don't think that's good.
Yeah.
When I when I went to college, my freshman year in 99 in DC, I was on the honors floor and I got stuck three guys to a dorm room when, of course, the two was standard.
So I had the top bunk and I was never happier than when one of those guys dropped out.
He was a bass player, by the way, skinny as a rail, probably a lefty.
And I guess the vibe, the vibe of American University didn't jive with him.
So when he left, then I was free to not be cooped up in a three-man to a door.
Thank God that guy left.
And I told Junior Jr. the same thing just tonight, that a ton of kids drop out their freshman year, either because they're lonely or because they can't handle independence or they fail out or they just drink all day long with their newfound independence.
Directionless.
At some point, what am I even doing here?
I could have a job.
There's an enormous opportunity cost when you are spending a lot of money and going to school and not making any money.
You have to count that too.
Whereas I would really recommend, I mean, these are things we've already said on the show many times, but I would really recommend work.
Work for a while.
Try to find yourself.
Find what kind of work that you like to do.
What kind of, and then you observe other people.
You see other people who've made good and bad decisions in life.
And then if after a few years you want to go to college and you got some kind of plan, yeah, maybe, you know.
Absolutely.
I wanted to pivot to Rolo for a second and not probing, super sensitive about it, but Rolo, you know, he let it be known on a previous show that he's got a girlfriend and it's going well.
Knock on wood.
Oh, yeah.
Danger zone.
You know, Rolo doesn't like me talking about the breathe strip that's on his nose, let alone his relationship.
But yeah, he's, he's on pins and needles there.
He's like, don't go any farther, Coach.
Don't go any farther or further.
Rolo, any update from the auspicious beginnings of dating or lessons learned or tips?
I'll leave it at that.
Well, we're still together.
Good.
Hey, good.
Good for you.
You know, yeah.
Good thing.
Saw some lovely pictures of you two lovebirds out and about.
You looked happy and attractive together.
Yeah.
We are.
Okay.
You guys hold hands yet?
We're getting there.
We're getting there.
And I think it's been a gentleman and a gentle lady relationship so far.
Any arguments yet?
Have you guys gotten in a fight?
No, we no, we have we have not.
She's pretty, she's the least crazy person I've ever met, honestly.
Pretty good temperament.
Okay.
Pretty, pretty open-minded and understanding.
I haven't gone, you know, full 1488 yet.
I'm tiptoeing around that.
What about there's there is the uh, I don't know if we can bring it up about the church.
Can we mention?
Well, sure, sure.
Uh, she wanted me to go to her church, and uh, I said, okay.
And the way she described it, I don't think she has any idea what's going on there, but it's it's an absolutely awoke church.
And I, I, I, I think she's completely clueless to it because she's she's happy, she's she's new to the area, and she just she just picked a place, and then the people there were nice to her, so she didn't stop to think, oh, you know, maybe, maybe, uh, blah, Uh, so, Rolo, are we talking rainbow flags?
Uh, or just gay ass homilies, no more like Black Lives Matter, fists, and refugees welcome, like that type of stuff.
But, like, it doesn't use that exact language.
So, is she going to this church because it's her denomination and she just happened to pick up to go to this one, or is it just it's no, it's non-denominational.
Oh, okay, all right, okay.
So, she just claimed maybe it's close to her house or something.
Yes, that's all it was.
She was just new to the area.
That was where she went.
And she says, Hey, okay, let's let's give it a whirl.
And the people there were nice, and that was good enough for her.
I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
Is it mostly white?
No, uh, okay, it's it's it's um it's not mostly non-white, but it's it's pretty, it's pretty Brazilian, I'd say.
It's like it's like a blend, it's like a like a maybe it is if it's if it's mostly white, it's like America now, like it, maybe it's 51% white.
But I, I saw a lot of I saw a lot of calories there, sure.
It was uh, yeah, tread carefully.
Do you have a do you have a battle plan to uh broach this on uh eggshells?
Or I'm I so here is here's my plan: I'm gonna do the reverse of what I would do with a normie with a normie.
You can talk to them about race, and generally they'll stay with you.
And once you talk about Jews, then you lose them forever.
And all the goodwill that you've built upon, yeah.
I'm gonna go the other way around.
I think I can build, I think I can build a biblical case with her that I think she would listen to, because she might do that.
But yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a lot of things that she just does not like and and it's just like okay well, she doesn't, but she doesn't know why or the root causes.
Yes okay, just like one of those crazy times.
But I I think I can make the case like bible.
You know, here are all of the passages that say this.
And then there's that fun little video.
I don't know if anyone's seen that, but the um, It's like the our Jews, that God's chosen people know.
And it's like the stick figures.
It is a fun video.
I recommend it if you haven't seen it.
I know you're a Simpsons fan, Rolo.
I want to quote Mill House when he was about to go talk to Lisa.
Stay cool, Millie.
Stay cool, Rolo.
Don't, yeah.
Keep even killed.
Oh, no, no, I know.
Yes.
Yes, it is a, it is, it's a very delicate thing.
Cause if I were to say, like, you know, oh, yeah, you know, blacks are subhuman mongrels that, uh, you know, they kill people because someone stepped on their shoes, probably wouldn't go over so well because there's, there's some mutts at her church that she's friendly with, but it's like, I guarantee you, like, I get, I mean, we all know.
Like, if, if, if those people had to choose between their race or Christianity, blacks will pick blacks every time.
We know that.
She can't fathom that.
Like, oh, you know, we, we can all be, we can all be friends as long as we follow Jesus.
Yes.
Like, yeah, we were talking about something this morning and I just said, this is, we'll talk about this some other time.
Like, this is something that needs to be done.
She basically said that we, as long as we all follow Jesus, we can all be friends no matter what.
And I was like, but can we have our own country, please?
Now, aren't we contradicting our own advice here?
And should Rolo perhaps just not get hung up on the, you know, rainbow church and the politics and be grateful that he's got a relatively naive lady on his hands.
Yeah.
What he's doing.
Well, I would say you got it.
You got to be her safe haven.
You know, you got to be that person she feels comfortable around, you know, because that's why people go to churches is they want to have the sense of belonging and to practice their faith and do something like that.
And, you know, it's just a toxic thing, the way you describe it that is ultimately non-viable in the long run.
So you got to start to formulate.
And she doesn't know it.
She doesn't know it.
Like, like there's a thing that I noticed.
Yeah.
Like there was a thing that I noticed.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, you never said anything about that.
And it's like, what?
It's like, it's like absolutely like she is oblivious to it.
So she, she is in, like, she's walking into a trap and she doesn't know it.
Yeah.
Well, you, you can support her in what are the good, what are the good motivations that she has about being at something like that.
You, you can try to steer those good motivations towards a better outlet, maybe.
You know, no one wants to be told they're just wrong and that's it.
And what they're doing is bad.
You know, there's she, she has good reasons for going there and supporting what's going on there, but there's other actors in there that are bad.
Or show her, show her the half hour compilation video of the blacks playing the knockout game against our people.
Yeah, there you go.
The thing is, I think I can make the Jewish case again.
And if that works, then I can make the race case.
Yeah, the Jew thing is usually the hardest.
But I think because of the biblical aspect, I think I can get her on that because she has enough problems with things that are identifiably Jewish that I think I could get her on that.
And again, I'm not hung up on it, but it's something long run, like that's going to be a problem.
Have her read some of that girl stuff out of the Talmud.
Again, that all comes with like the overall, like the Jewish thing.
And like if you, if you are allowed anyone like blank slate, like, you know, here, no judgments, no bias, no emotional knee-jerk reaction, and you're allowed to tell them about Jews, you could not lose.
But because of all the emotional manipulation that's come with it, and that's, that's the only thing that I am worried about long run.
But I want to feel like she's a heretic.
She doesn't want to feel like the people at her church are her enemy, stuff like that.
You have to, you know, and one thing I would tell her.
One thing I would say, though, is I would say, I would never say, I don't want you going to that church ever again.
But I would say, like, just so you know, this is what that church is doing.
And they're doing it with money.
Like, so every time you give them money, this is what it's going towards.
I just, right, just so, you know, I'm not going to tell you.
What's been going on?
The relationship or the November.
All right.
Yeah.
As much excitement as I have for junior entering high school, I feel nothing but anxiety for you as if you're like diffusing an atomic bomb in the minefield.
So many hazards.
And when you said, you know, I would never tell her not to go to that church.
Well, after she says I do on the altar, then you can, that's when you, that's when turn it up.
All right, baby.
There's a new sheriff in town.
You sign the contract.
I'm kidding.
But good luck.
But you're not.
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not like that.
Call me a woman respecter or whatever, but strong, intelligent, independent wife of my own.
Like the idea.
I'd be like, you're not doing.
Yeah, I would have to win her over with facts and logic.
In this case, it's a you're not doing it.
Sure.
Because in this case, those people will ruin your life given a chance.
They won't say like, hey, you know, Mary over there, she knows she's, she's still one of God's children.
No, they're like, no, She has the wrong opinion.
And that opinion needs to be destroyed.
Yeah.
And just finding a better one and a better alternative to backfill for it for sure is going to be helpful long term.
Well, good, good luck, buddy.
Thank you for entertaining that.
And yeah, it's been one of our top top priorities.
Yeah, exactly.
How about you, Eddie?
Are you got grandkids in the prospects in the pipeline?
There's already two of them on the planet, bro.
Oh, Grandpa.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
You could have shared that right up at the top of the show that you had those feathers for your bonnet.
Yeah.
I suppose I could, but yeah, a little busy with other stuff.
That's all right.
Good stuff.
Do you see?
Have you met them, I presume?
Yeah, they're down in Arizona.
And when the first one was born, she's four now.
I was there within a month.
And then I was there for the first birthday party.
And then the new one, then both granddaughters.
And then just had another one a few months back.
So, of course, we flew down there and got to smell the new baby.
Sure.
Congratulations, that's awesome.
It's true.
The scalp, 100%.
Yeah.
Smells like a million bucks.
More than that, of course.
I do not have anything else in the stack here.
I could talk about getting food poisoning and being miserable.
Heartbreaking.
Now, I'm not 100% sure that it's food poisoning.
Hear me up.
So we got takeout pizza and a cheesesteak for myself two weeks ago.
And kids were fine.
Everybody was fine.
Wife wasn't home at the time.
So it was just the kids eating pizza and meat in the cheesesteak.
And then two hours later, I was out off the deck so loud and violently, I was worried that the neighbors half a zip code away were going to hear me.
I just thought, son of a bitch, I love that restaurant.
You know, it's a little hometown, family-owned pizza shop.
And everybody's like, you have to go tell them that you got sick, you know, from the cheesesteak.
You know, just be polite about it.
It's like, you're right.
That's the right thing to do.
And then about four or five days later, Junior had the exact same thing with no, you know, takeout food to root for it.
So I said, all right, well, that's my excuse to not go have a very awkward, painful conversation with the local restaurant.
But just absolutely miserable for 24 hours, flat on my back.
And I was reminded that one of the worst sentences you could give anyone is to just be nauseated for eternity.
That would be hell.
But yeah, made it through.
And that was a good, I don't know, mortal reminder.
I hadn't been sick like that in a long time.
That was, it happened the day after we recorded the Russia show.
And I would have been so pissed off.
And it would have sounded like an excuse, like, oh, I can't do the show.
I got food poisoning.
But absolutely dead to the world that day after we recorded with Bausman.
Didn't get too much pushback about Kremlin propaganda from that one.
Got several nice kudos that that was a great update.
People love hearing about Russia one way or the other.
And I didn't even mention it with Charles, but I thought that he was surprisingly candid.
He was like, no, there's an argument that it's not a very Christian country.
Yes, we do have a lot of Central Asian migrants here.
He was not gilding the lily about wonderful Russia.
He just thinks that it's on an upward trajectory and that there's so many good things happening there, warts and all, that it's worth our guys moving to.
It was striking in going back and listening to that, how candid he was about the flaws too.
It was really good.
Yep.
Anyway, Eddie, anything else that you got to want to chime in on here before we land this puppy?
Hit up some music shops, listen to some of the music.
Not necessarily us, but just pick up some RIC, man.
It doesn't make you a bad guy.
It just makes you have good taste.
Amen.
Thank you for coming on the show, for pulling yourself out of perdition and over the moon for you and your reconnections with your daughters, new grandfather status and still cranking.
And I hope you're not angry at me because I said you look like a nice guy.
I'll take the compliment.
All right.
Good man.
Well, you certainly earned the closing track as well.
So we heard I'm free by Iron Will at the break.
You can either name it now or you can think about it and we can splice it in after the fact.
This one would be off of our last split, and it's called the sign.
The sign by Iron Will.
Links are in the show notes.
Sam, thank you, buddy, for helping to put this together.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was really good.
I know that this will help people.
It's been a lot of fun being in conversation here.
You know, one thing, Coach, I haven't heard you talking about right about this time of the year, you know, we're normally planning our garden show.
Oh, I'm on strike.
I'm not doing a garden show because I'm still pissed off and have bitter sour grapes about the low numbers for the last garden spectacular.
I'm mostly joking.
But the other thing, interesting, that you mentioned that, Sam.
My wife was just like, so when are you going to get the greenhouse going?
I was like, I got to tell you, I don't have a burning green thumb this spring.
Every year for the past four years, you know, very into it, planning it out, et cetera.
And I think a big part of it was last summer was so brutally hot and dry.
And it was such drudgery to keep all those suckers watered in regularly.
I lost a few trees that had been thriving for three or four years, cherry trees, pine trees that I planted that it left a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth.
And the other thing is we're now, what, four, three, four years out from COVID and that sort of real intense prepping and resilience and stuff.
Another buddy shared, oh, we just got 100 meatbirds from the local 4-H.
He's like, are you getting more chickens?
And I got to say, you know what?
I love having the fresh eggs.
We still have four hens and two roosters, but I really did not enjoy processing the chicken, sticking my hand up the ass and pulling the guts out.
You know, it's just, you know, chopping the head off and squirming.
I just got to say, you know, without doomsday, you know, on the front doorstep, the Grim Reaper, like, I'm not super enthusiastic about slaughtering chickens in my backyard.
So you can always go.
I'm big sliding.
Yes.
I'm getting lackadaisical.
You could always go small.
You know, I mean, here I'm living in an urban kind of a setting here, but it was because of this show with our garden shows probably five years ago that we started with a couple of buckets, you know, and just, you know, there's just something about having the mentality.
And the reason I bring it up is I was at a party the other day and somebody asked me, started talking about the garden shows.
And I said, you know, I've always found those, even though I'm not like a gardener person, but sure.
It's always, you know, even if you plant flowers or plant something, you know, just get a couple of little pots, put some raised beds together, reach out to the brain trust, see if they're willing to dust off the gardening gloves again.
Mid gardener, anyways, man.
That guy is like a pro guy.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Eddie.
Hey, one more thing in closing.
I didn't come on to preach to anybody.
I'm by no means a liquor Nazi.
I'm not a liquor Nazi.
I'm not here to tell people not to drink.
If you can drink and you enjoy it and you don't have an issue with it, have at it, brother.
But if you do have a problem with it, just know you're not alone and there is life after booze.
And if you know, if people contact you and you vet them and they want to holler at me, you got my number.
100%.
It reminds me of that video montage of like a brown, skinny little guy in the Malaysian forest.
I'll see if I can dig it up.
But it's like, you know, he's just drinking all the time.
He's like wasted and sleeping in weeds.
And then he's like, and I stop drinking.
And then he starts working.
And then he's like, you know, building a business.
And then he's like helping local villagers.
And like his life completely turns around just by this little brown peasant not drinking.
And when you stop to think about it, it just sucks your money out from you.
It adds empty calories, ephemeral pleasures, as I mentioned at the top, and oftentimes can get you in some real hot water.
So, yep.
Abstinence and sobriety are Aryan superiors.
The only contraindicator to that is the fact that Alexander and his men were drunk off their asses off of wine regularly.
When I listen to that Alexander audio book, I was like, oh man, we're just getting hammered regularly.
And then going, yeah, that's the whole thing.
You know, drinking brings us together.
And there is a certain, you know, there's a reason that alcohol is in our history.
You know, if you go back in time, you couldn't like have a gallon of fresh squeezed orange juice, right?
There was no refrigeration.
You'd have to, whatever you have, you'd have to have it right away.
There's no, the only way to preserve something is to ferment it, you know?
And so there's an efficacy to it for sure.
But, you know, anyways, everything that both you just said is 100%.
Yeah.
Somebody was passing around a quote from Frederick the Great where he was lamenting that Germans were drinking more coffee than beer at some point.
That was funny.
And I think, you know, back when I used to tweet a lot, I'd be like, you know, one or two beers, not bad, three or four.
Oh, that's some good, spicy content.
You know, that's, and then four or five and out to the other side of the bell curve.
That's just incoherent rambling and mass retweeting.
Anyway, you have to know yourself.
You have to know your personal situation.
And you probably know whether you want to admit it publicly or to yourself or not.
So when in doubt, take it from Eddie.
And I think your life will be better without as opposed to trying to walk that tightrope of, no, I don't have a problem.
I, you know, tie one on here and there.
Error on the side of caution.
Life is short.
All right, everybody.
This has been Full House episode 209.
Check out Iron Will and Eddie's tracks.
You heard it at the break and you'll hear this one coming up.
What's the name?
The signal is the sign.
The sign.
Sorry, I couldn't read my own chicken scratch.
It was close.
Anyway, too much green tea for me here tonight.
We love you, fam.
We'll talk to you next week and we'll see what's in the hopper next.
Maybe, maybe I'll swallow my pride and put in the effort to you in greats and do another garden show.
We shall see.
Rolo, it's all yours.
Take us out.
But you got a couple bleeps to do there and post, as we say.
Eddie was confident he wasn't going to curse, but he let a curse.
Two times?
Who's counting?
All right.
It's all yours, Rolo.
Take us out.
See ya.
See ya.
Thank you.
See ya.
Cheers.
That's a wrap.
I'm tied around your neck, runes are cast upon the deck, folks are gathered round the flame, walk together in Odin's name.
I'm tied around your neck, runes are cast upon the deck, folks are gathered round the flame, walk together in Odin's name.
Odin, now the Freythor, Odin, now the Freythor, we have the idea.
Blood of kings, we all defend.
Back to rock will be the end.
The sun will burn right in the sky.
I raised God from the habit.
Blood of kings, we all descend.
Back rock, obedient.
The sun will first fade in the sky.
Never die.
Pray of the Lord. Pray of the Holy Spirit.
We hail the idea.
Rolling out a freyathal, rolling out afraid all.
Rolling out a freyathal, holding down the Freyathor, holding down a frey at all.