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Of the many ills plaguing our people, the sickening suicidal sycophancy of philosemitism exhibited by many white Christians around the world ranks among the most maddening, if not the most harmful.
Once you become familiar with Jewish nature and their deeds down through the millennia, it's easy even for an atheist to recognize them as a malevolent force, and seems inexplicable how disciples of Christ could not recognize them by their own Savior's words.
Judeo-Christian should be an oxymoron, and yet the dark trope persists with consequences for everything from our immigration policy to foreign aid to our gullibility in fighting wars for Israel's benefit.
This week, we welcome author Mark Time, whose new book, The Heirs of Abraham, takes this persistent and pernicious lie out back behind the scriptural woodshed.
So, Mr. Producer, let's go.
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And with all that, let's get on with it.
First up, word on the street is that to my great surprise, he might take issue with our special guest conclusions in the heirs of Abraham.
Did you finally learn to big love big brother?
It's pretty critical.
Yeah, well, you know, hey, we'll talk about that later.
But yeah, talking about the shirts and all that, um, I just gave out two hoodies this weekend to our guys that had wanted them.
And the hoodies are very sharp.
I know that those are just kind of coming out.
I don't know, even know what are we charging for those.
Do you know?
No, no idea, I only got.
I got the one and the logo was a little bit jack.
It's not ready for prime time yet, but yeah yeah, but that and the cups yeah it's, it's, you know the, the weather's getting a little cooler and it makes an excellent underlayer to another jacket uh, so the the, the hoodies are, are extremely sharp looking and uh, I know coach has been.
I was talking to our gal that that makes these and and uh, I said oh yeah you uh we, one of our guys who's like good on the computer and all that he, he kind of made the, the logo, a little sharper looking a little.
And then uh, she said oh, but yeah, I had to make the f and the u full, you know, and the word full a little closer together.
Man, that coach, I told you that coach, she's a perfectionist and uh, you know, I was like hey, if somebody's gonna pay for so it just looked like there was too much of a gap there.
Anyway, we talked about merch a lot last week.
Sam, let's not yeah no no, but uh, we're.
We were talking a little bit off the air about uh, how this is a big, big uh weekend for your family, you do, you're doing all the christmas stuff and uh I, I felt the same way.
I was just saving it to to talk on the show.
But in this time before christmas, it just seems like everything is accelerating.
There's so many things happening and uh, it's a, it's disorienting in a way.
You know, it's kind of a part of the wonder of the season too, I think.
And uh, you know, we just had saint Nicholas uh feast day on a friday and I was out with the troops of St George we're practicing some christmas carols, so I had that on my schedule, I had to fit that in.
And then uh uh, we had a big uh, our annual group's big christmas party with so much food and drink that I, I really uh, I overdid it for sure.
And uh, i'm trying to stay with the spirit of advent, getting ready for christmas here.
And so I went to confession today, you know get, get things cleared up and uh, try to get back on on the road you know to uh being prepared doing some extra fasting, extra penances, getting ready for christmas.
And then today, of course, is the feast of the immaculate um um, immaculate conception.
Sorry, I just stuttered there from one immaculate conception uh, which which, if it falls on a weekday, would be a holy day of obligation, but we had a lot of extra stuff at the uh, our uh trad mass that we go to and um, just getting ready for for christmas, starting to get the christmas cards out.
Uh, you mentioned about getting your christmas decorations up.
I, I got the christmas tree early, as you know.
Uh, or perhaps you remember from the past, I I usually wait to the last minute to put up the christmas tree because i'm trying to keep up the spirit of advent, but I had the back seat out of my car.
I ended up doing some overtime at work.
I had the back seat out of my, out of my van actually um, for extra moving, extra things.
So I said, well, I got that out.
I'm going to get the Christmas tree and ended up getting roped into some overtime.
So it's just been a whirlwind these last two weeks.
And the time is going fast.
It's, you know, you're trying to get the Christmas presents and all those things going.
And things are going good, though.
Things are going really well at work.
We're expecting a good end of the year here.
And so.
Anyways, that's what I'm going through.
Yeah, it's so many things.
Like I said, it's disorienting.
It's just spinning.
And yeah, and I'm trying to get, I wanted to put together a model railroad to put it put around the Christmas tree for the first time.
That's always something I wanted to do, but you got to, you know, it's a little bit, it's, they're not cheap anyways, you know?
And so I was looking at that and I said, I wanted to get something.
I ended up getting something.
I always wanted the Lionel train set, but they're, first of all, they're expensive and they're all like really cringy.
Everything is like Hogwarts themed or Coca-Cola themed or Polar Express.
And I'm thinking, I want something kind of like more normal and adults.
So maybe the other kids would like to play with it when I set it up.
So I ordered the Chinese knockoff brand Bachman.
But it had good reviews.
And I said, well, I do want to get something, but I don't want, you know, Coca-Cola or whatever these weird, you know, versions of the corporate sponsorship.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's what's going on with me.
It's, and most of all, we, and I was talking with Rolo, how, how good it is to be among people with like mind.
You know, he was talking about he had a little like a dust up with people.
It's just it's hard to deal with Normie sometimes.
And I, I, I couldn't agree more.
And just being with our guys, you know, we had a wonderful Christmas party and it was, it was all the OGs, you know, it was people that had been there since, you know, 2015, 2016 when this local group really got started.
And it was great to see everybody and just everyone's on the same page and just the volume level in the room with everybody talking and laughing and joking and everything.
It was all the food.
It was, it was spectacular.
Wonderful, Sam.
Thank you.
You definitely have the spirit of the season.
And perhaps after we meet our special guest, I'll share my whirlwind day here today.
Well, next up, he is both exhausted and in physical pain, yet he was here on time and ready to rock.
Same as usual.
Rolo, what's your melody?
death to normies yeah normies it was rain i was running around here Is that what you mean by DND, total normie death?
Is that what that means?
Of course it does.
Yeah.
It wouldn't mean anything racist.
I was as I was running around here.
Bear with us, special guests.
We'll get right to you.
But I was running around trying to like change out chords and restart the computer and stuff.
And I heard you getting very worked up in the background through the laptop speakers.
But thank you for making the time.
You want to share anything or just maddening interaction?
Well, I would say be very careful with the normies that you spend time with, because even ones that seem like maybe this could be one of our guys down the road, you never know who is going to turn on you.
Because I went to an event with a Normie and we started the day off talking about how no one will weep for that CEO that was shot and how that's probably a good thing in our society that now people are not carrying water for him.
And then he told me a story about how he basically hates rich people.
And then he threw me under the bus and then just verbally fillated a trust fund kid like within like three minutes.
And I and he did it because he has no social skills and thought that was the socially acceptable thing to do.
So like, oh, so you hate rich people so much that you just sang the praises of one that you're not even friends with just because you thought that was what was expected.
Normies are the problem and always will be the problem.
Sorry to hear it, Paul.
Yep.
I guess they're not all mendacious like the one you described, but certainly up there in the maddening characterization along with the Christians, dispensationalists.
All right.
Finally, our very special guest.
He is, of course, the author of The Heirs of Abraham, as well as The Man in the Mirror, a fiction piece.
He was once one of the Christian sheep being led to slaughter, but somehow not just snapped out of it, but compiled this authoritative compilation of scripture verses and analysis in my hand in a black book that I brought on the airplane recently.
And I thought, somebody might see that star of David getting stabbed by the cross.
Mark Time, welcome to Full House, buddy.
Thank you very much.
I very much appreciate you having me on tonight.
It's our pleasure.
And thank you for reaching out and for obviously what was a ton of work diligently executed.
First time on Full House, so lay it on us, please, sir.
Your ethnicity, your religion, and your fatherhood status.
Yes, I'm white, predominantly Irish.
I'm Christian, as I'd hope would be obvious, and I am a father.
And you say right up at the top of the book that you are a Calvinist of the Christian persuasion.
And when I hear Calvinist, I think maybe Switzerland, a little bit kooky and predestination.
And there's not a lot of Calvinists in our circle.
So briefly, do you want to lay, you know, if you're Irish, I'm surprised you're not Catholic, but how'd you end up with Calvinist and what does that mean to you?
Right.
And I think you got two of the three descriptors of Calvinists right.
And I'll leave you to figure out which one.
So Calvinism operates under a five-point system.
And I won't go through all of the five points, but you hit it on the head in terms of the soteriological views, which means salvation, that we believe that there is what is known as double predestination, that there is both predestination of the elect, those to be brought into heaven and attain salvation, and also destination, predestination of the vessels of wrath, those destined for destruction.
So that makes some people uncomfortable, but I view God's will as unitary.
And I don't think there's any reason that there should be free will for people to choose their own destruction.
So that is kind of the very wavetops, very general view of Calvinist soteriology.
And I arrived at the Calvinist sphere.
As I say in my book, I was raised in a heavily dispensationalist, heavy Jew worshiping church.
And unfortunately, much of my family is still caught up in that.
But I have since shed the Zionism and the dispensationalism and kept the Christianity.
That was a journey in tandem with what many call the red pill process, which began for me roughly around 2017.
And as I started questioning things about Jewish influence and power in the secular and political world, I started to question how this influence was affecting my religious views.
And my religious views at the time was standing away, standing in the way of my conclusions for the political realm.
So these two things shaped each other and molded each other as I understood how they interacted with each other.
I eventually came to understand that, no, in fact, the Jews are not the continued chosen people of God.
They are, if they have not chosen Christ, of that latter category of the double predestination, the vessels of wrath, and their influence on the church can only be negative because they deny Christ.
And moreover, they killed him.
So that is the sort of interaction with the Jewish side of the house.
And then separately, I began studying some of the early church fathers and the Reformation period and came to conclusions regarding God's choice and God's will, its inevitability, how we as humans certainly cannot contend with the will of God.
And God has placed his will before us and we have to follow it.
I don't see any way for free will to get in the way of that.
So that's how I arrived at that sort of predestination type of soteriology.
But I want people who may have kind of an immune response to that to put that aside and remember that my conclusions and my arguments here do not hinge very heavily on that view of salvation.
There are some points that I use to leverage that view.
But my overall argument, my central premise of the book is that there is no extant favor for the Jews in the Bible and in the new covenant.
That is the one line elevator pitch of the book.
Fair enough.
And let's dig into that.
Now, would it be fair to say that there was at one point, they were the chosen people at one point, from Abraham to Moses and everyone in the Old Testament, but they repeatedly failed to live up to God's expectations and thus lose their covenant with him?
So, yes, in a way, but I'd like to add a little bit of nuance to that.
So the chosenness, the obligation undertaken at Mount Sinai was to establish a relationship between God and the people that we call the Jews.
However, what made one of God's people is the same today as it was at Mount Sinai.
And it was the same today as it was with Abraham, that it was credited to Abraham as righteousness that he believed God.
And as Jesus retorted to the Pharisees, when the Pharisees were saying, we have Abraham as our father, Jesus retorts and says, you seek to kill me, this Abraham did not do.
And you know the tree by its fruit.
This is a constant across all time and all covenants that God's people, God's chosen, God's elect, are those who do as God commands, whether it's in the old covenant and the sacrifices or in the new covenant with the covenant of grace.
Fair enough.
Let me, before we get too deep down there, I got questions.
Sam has questions.
During your journey and the conflict that you mentioned between, you know, your religious assumptions and your newfound political realities, did you lose friends, family members?
Did you get kicked out of church?
Did you have to change churches, cover it up where you're ranting and raving to the congregation?
That metamorphosis of yours, how was it personally for you?
Right.
Well, so a little bit of personal information, not too personal.
I was in the military at the time when I was undergoing this transformation.
So I wasn't really firmly rooted in any one community.
But of course, being in the military, how politicized it was getting and now it has become, you had to be very careful about what you were saying, especially with regards to the Jews in Israel.
But I've had to leave a number of churches of my own volition because I just couldn't stand it.
And there were a number of sermons that I've sat through where the pastor spent the entire sermon just praising and extolling the Jewish people as this blessing on us as Christians and how we need to essentially serve them and serve their little ethnostate in the Mediterranean.
And it is nauseating, as I'm sure you all can empathize with, to hear such things and even worse from someone who claims to be a religious leader and has the ear of a number of congregants and is shepherding them towards this horrific idolatry.
So yes, I have lost friends.
I lost congregations and it is certainly a point of contention with my family.
You are not alone.
Experience familiar to so many of us.
And, you know, our Sam, of course, he was speaking more in the context of Christian identity, but I think you could say it for, you know, your interpretation of Christianity along with your racial nationalism, whether you're a white nationalist, a national socialist, or just generally pro-white and against all the garbage that's thrown our ways.
It can be a fine line to walk between being fully Christian and fully pro-white.
And sometimes, you know, you have to make certain evaluations of the Bible and read through the scriptures to make it all make sense in your head.
Sam, is that I knew I know you said something like that in the past, but you know, your interpretation of that tightrope walk.
Yeah, for sure.
It's, you know, we always want these conversations to be productive and beneficial to people and not just like arguing over a point or something like that.
So there is, you know, when you get down into the weeds on certain things, there are important points to flesh out.
And maybe if I was talking one-on-one with Mark Time, I would perhaps speak in a certain way.
And probably there's some listeners who would want me to challenge him on certain points.
I don't necessarily intend to do that.
Maybe I'll throw one or two things out in there as we talk.
But I wanted to start more on positive things, which is I've been reading his book.
Coach, you sent me the book, which was wonderful for you to have done.
I am about almost halfway through it, which is maybe somebody's saying, like, what are you mentally retarded that you read that slow?
Well, I actually, I read a lot of things.
I'm reading a lot of things at the same time and not just for pleasure or interest, but things I have to read for work or whatever.
So I'm always trying to read probably six, seven, eight books at the same time.
And this has been one I have, I did get pretty close to halfway through.
And what I would say is I acknowledge that there's a lot of work that was put into writing this.
And this book is useful, first of all, to see the development of his own thoughts and for him to make his points.
He's put a lot of work in this.
I acknowledge that for sure.
And the value of it is that there are probably Christians out there.
Maybe if you're listening to the show, you're already over the hump, so to speak.
But certainly somebody will has a genuine feeling about Christianity, a genuine love for God and for Christ.
But now they're wrestling with things and they can't make it all square with each other.
And a book like this maybe will help somebody to see that you can be a Christian and not be a traitor to your people.
Unfortunately, the modern Christian church is by and large traitorous to the very people that built it and promoted it.
So that's where I see the value of this in the same way.
I don't mean to say it like that.
You know, I'm friends with pagans.
I'm friends with people of no faith at all.
You know, there's whatever gets you to seeing the truth of the way the world is and to discarding certain fallacies and things like that, that's moving you in the right direction.
You know, there's something in the trad Catholic world we talk about, the natural law.
And everybody is responsible to the natural law, whether you have faith or some kind of faith or no faith at all.
Even the pagans would acknowledge the natural law.
In our modern time, many people have, as the Bible calls it, become seared in their consciences.
So that normal feeling about the natural law has been muted for some people.
But the natural law, for at least any of us in the white nationalist sphere, we understand, you know, the faggotry is wrong, race mixing is wrong, and usury is wrong and whatever.
You know, the thing is, we know what we have an idea, or we know what makes a good society.
And if I'm going to live in a neighborhood with people, if Coach and Rollo and Mark Time were my neighbors, I would know I could rely on their sense of right and wrong and honor and things like that.
So there is a sense where, you know, we don't have to like agree exactly on things, but we could definitely agree on the end point, which is these Jews are enemies of ours.
You know, it's everything against our better interests.
And it's disgusting and tragic how many perhaps good Christian people are wasting their time lauding the Jews and the theology that backs up this idea about the Jews is just so revolting and disgusting to me.
You know, so fair enough.
Yeah.
That's what I would give to Mark Time there.
And now, Sam playing diplomatic there, maybe by the end of the first half, because I honestly don't know exactly where the beef is, because as I'm looking through it, he's chalk a block with, I imagine it's not the translations of the verses that are scattered throughout.
His motives seem good.
But regardless, we'll push that off.
Well, we'll save it and then you guys can brawl in the last five minutes.
Maybe it's easier for the audience.
But no, I'm kidding.
Mostly.
Before we log off, Mark, it seems to me that this book is the perfect gift for a Christian friend or family member, maybe probably not a coworker unless you know him or her really well, who may be starting to question or starting to think there's something up with these Jews.
Was that your motive?
Was your motivation in writing this to disabuse the Philo Semite Christians who may be starting to wake up?
Yes, absolutely.
That's one of several target audiences, but I wrote the book as if to myself before I understood these things.
You know, what would I have needed to read and to see in order to bring myself out of this instead of being drug kicking and screaming all the way?
And I priced the book at $8 for the paperback and $1 for the e-book, which is about as low as I could get it without like with the printing costs with Amazon.
And I did that because I want this to reach as many people as possible.
It is not about the money.
It is about the ideas and about the true Christian faith.
That's what I want to see in the hands of readers all across this country and in every member of our race here.
And especially those who are already caught up in that dispensationalist mindset.
It is very, there's a clear path that I hope I have laid out in this book out of that because I came out of that.
And if I, because let me tell you, I was one of the worst of them of this, you know, worshiping of Israel and policing my mind and others people's speech about anti-Semitism.
I corrected people more for anti-Semitism for anti-Semitism than for sin.
And that should tell you everything about that mindset.
It is not about Christ.
It's about Jews.
And that needs to be detoxed out of every church in America.
Hear, here.
Amen for that.
And thank you for your service.
The book is available on Amazon.
And, you know, just buying a bunch of copies and putting them in a book arc near your church or maybe surreptitiously dropping one off in the back, I think is worth it.
It's less risky than going into New York to whack a health insurance CEO.
I got a good chuckle early on in the book.
You're pretty dry about it, but it's clear you got a twinkle in your eye.
So I'll read this sample.
After the golden calf, the Israelites go through yet more cycles of rebellion and judgment.
And maybe after this, go into that their endless cycling of basically being Jewish.
But regardless, you say, you're right.
The continued rebelliousness of the Jews wears Moses so thin that he asks God to kill him.
And this is from Numbers.
I am not able to carry all this people by myself because it is too burdensome for me.
So if you are going to deal with me this way, please kill me now if I have found favor in your sight.
And do not let me see, do not let me see my misery.
Moses crying to God that he's got this job of getting the Jews in line.
Feel free to chime in on that one.
And in particular, of course, that cycle of theirs.
Yes, I believe that the Bible is one of the most anti-Semitic collection of texts that you can find because it depicts the Jews exactly as they are and were and always will be.
So what a model that I elucidate in the book is what I call the Jacobean cycle.
So there are four stages to this cycle that models Jewish behavior.
There is an appointment where God has placed it on their hearts or collective to do something.
Then immediately following that appointment, there is the second stage, the rejection of that appointment.
You know, they rebel.
They say no.
The third stage is judgment.
There's always a consequence for this rejection.
And the last stage, stage number four, is the choice.
There is a small remnant that is preserved, that is elected to go on and serve God, but the majority of them are sent into exile.
And the cycle repeats endlessly in the Old Testament, almost comically so.
And you have Moses, who is literally driven to the point of suicidal ideation by how rebellious and tiresome the Jews are.
And yes, there is a little bit of humor there, but it's quite serious also, because the burden of proof is on someone who is arguing that they are any different today.
Fair enough.
I don't know if you got cut off there.
It was really abrupt, but fair enough.
Let me see.
How about all the excerpts in here?
I'm sure that one or two or even three are your personal favorites.
You want to pull one out of the hat for the audience to emphasize either profoundly or one that's maybe obscure that they're not as familiar with.
I've got a couple highlighted here, but of course, you're the author.
Sure.
I think what really summarizes one of the key concepts of the book, which is the delineation between spiritual Israel, the heir of God's promise, and thonic Israel, that is C-H-T-H-O-N-I-C.
It's a Greek term meaning of the underworld or earthly.
So I make this difference between spiritual Israel and thonic Israel.
And this is not a foreign concept to scripture.
Paul talks of the two Israels in Romans, specifically chapters 9 and 11.
But I think the passage that elucidates this concept most strongly is Romans 9, 6 to 8.
And I'll read that for you real quick.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed, for they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel, nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants.
But through Isaac, your descendants shall be named.
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
That summarizes the whole book.
That is the heirs of Abraham, that spiritual Israel, the ones who do as God commands, are Israel, the true Israel, not the counterfeit Israel.
There's a lot of misinformation about the name Israel and what that really means.
You know, there's this nation on the banks of the Mediterranean called Israel, but they're the thonic Israel.
It's the fake Israel, the counterfeit.
There's this theme of two competing heirs for God's favor and promise.
And it's a recurring theme through scripture.
You have Jacob and Esau.
You have Isaac and Ishmael, David and Saul, and now you have the Jews and Christians, the thonic Israel and spiritual Israel.
Fair enough.
One, there's the non-Christian or maybe even anti-Christian members of the audience are listening to this and probably begging for some red meat.
If one of the many things that occurred while reading this is like, okay, Mark, well, so what you're saying is if all the Jews in the world, you know, got down on their prayer bones and gave praise to Jesus sincerely, you know, of course, we've had the conversos over the years who maybe said that they converted to Christianity when they were up to their old tricks.
Is it that?
So there's the blood reality of Jews, of course, and their nature, which I think is undeniable.
But then there is, of course, the possibility that a Jew could be out there who says, no, you know what?
I don't want to be part of the synagogue of Satan.
I am embracing Christ as my savior.
Do you see the conflict between like these Jews are a problem and oh, they just have to embrace Christ and then they're good to go?
Yes.
So this is what Paul calls the mystery of Israel's salvation.
And when he says Israel, he's speaking of thonic Israel.
So, yes, in a theoretical sense, a Jew could fall to his knees.
And if in sincerity is coming to God with a contrite heart, he can become a Christian.
But I think as a Christian, it is incredibly unlikely to see that in the wild in its true form, especially now, because we are divorced from the original.
preaching of the gospel to the Jews in the time of Jesus by 2,000 years.
And in Romans 11, Paul talks about the God has not rejected those of his people whom he foreknew.
Now, it's a very interesting term there, forenew.
In the Koine Greek, it is progonosco, which is where we get the English word prognosis, and it is always used with relation to salvation.
So God has not rejected those of his people whom he predestined, those whom he saved.
Now, Paul is writing in the first century AD, and he's writing in a quasi-future tense, but that number of Jews who will be, who had been assimilated into the new covenant may already be completed.
We don't know that as mere humans, what number of Jews were to be assimilated or not.
But I think after 2,000 years, I think the ones who were going to get in already have.
That's my personal view.
I don't know the final count, obviously.
But whenever I hear or see anyone who is Jewish say, oh, Christ is king or whatever, I am very suspicious.
And that's okay.
That is between them and God, of course, but I will always be suspicious.
Tricks are, tricks exist.
And that's a meme for a reason.
Another skeptical, maybe cynical question.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that the almighty God would essentially put in all of his poker chips or all of his attention on this troublesome, thankless, pernicious tribe at that time in the world?
You know, why the hell would God choose them and offer him the Ten Commandments and all these prophets when they proved to be unworthy?
Yes.
And that's an excellent question.
And Paul does talk about that with regards to the vessels of wrath.
Let me find that verse for you real quick.
Sure.
And that's a sincere question too.
You know, the audience will know I was raised Catholic, but my eyes, I was a big reader, but my eyes tended to glaze when reading the Bible.
And when they weren't glazing, I was just suspicious.
And go ahead and keep looking for it.
And then just the other.
Oh, very good.
The dichotomy between the Old Testament and the New Testament, but we'll get to that next question.
Yes.
So the Jews were chosen specifically for how wicked and depraved they are.
Let's go to Romans 9, 22.
Paul from well.
Yeah.
So talking about vessels of wrath.
So Romans 9, 22.
What if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, endured with great patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction?
And he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon objects of mercy, the elect, which he prepared beforehand for glory, predestination.
So here's the interesting part about God's choosing of the Jews.
It would be an easy thing to take the noblest peace or the noblest people on earth and out of that bring salvation for the world.
It would be a demonstration of glory and power to take the worst of humanity and out of that people to show how powerful you are, that even out of the Jews, you could bring the salvation plan.
So that's a great question.
And that's a central query to wrestle with.
It's not that they were chosen because they're great.
They were chosen because they're terrible.
I thought they were chosen because they bring peace with their pornography and endless wars.
Oh, Rolo, yeah.
Shifting gears to the modern time.
Yeah, I'm sure they were scrolling naughty pictures on the caves and on the sides of the temple, too.
Let me see here.
Oh, gosh.
I had one right there.
Damn Rolo.
Okay, let's go Old Testament versus New Testament.
I think a normal person might read the Old Testament and conclude, like Christopher Hitchens did, probably 15 years ago, I read God is not great and gobbled it up when I was a fire-breathing atheist.
But the Old Testament is pretty gnarly and it seems significantly different in tone and in menacing threats and cajoling versus the New Testament.
How do you wrestle with that?
What do you attribute that to?
Obviously, Jesus arrived in the interregnum there, but OT versus new T. Right.
And I think part of the sort of, you can perhaps blasphemously call it offensiveness of the Old Testament comes more from our modern sensibilities than anything else.
But I want to answer your question as you've asked it.
The Old Testament is, or for the most part, is divided into history or prophecies.
And prophecies, you'll notice a lot of the violent language is about judgment on the Jews for being so wicked, which I don't think would offend really many members of the audience here.
But with regards to the historical element, and I'm sure people are pointing to, say, the commands of slaughtering every last woman and child of Canaan or whatever else.
There is an element to God's power and God's personality that is beyond our understanding.
And I'm sure some people will say that's a cop-out, but it says in Isaiah that his ways and thoughts are higher than our ways and thoughts.
When we say, oh, that was harsh or that was too far.
Well, according to whose standard?
Yours or some societal standard for behavior, returning to those modern scruples I referenced earlier.
We may be going a little off the beaten path of the focus of my book, but the intercessor of the third person of the Trinity, Jesus, does affect the interaction of God's people with God, but not really that much.
As I argue in the book, that there are different covenants throughout the Old and New Testament.
And the common thread is that a fruit will be known by its, or excuse me, a tree will be known by its fruit, that God's people will do as God commands.
So some people say there's a huge tone change or shift change between the Old Testament and the New Testament, but I argue there's actually a whole lot more similarities than not.
Fair enough.
And just, I was just thinking back when I was extremely skeptical and speaking with an intelligent, well-meaning Christian.
And I did the old, why do bad things happen to good, faithful Christians?
And the TLDR was, he said, well, if God controlled everything that happened to you and on earth, then you literally would just be a cog in a machine.
You would have zero liberty or freedom, no joy and pain and suffering, et cetera.
So I was like, huh, okay, that's actually a fairly rational yes.
I don't actually want to be a slave of God.
Maybe I just question why he helps some and not others.
Race and Christianity.
Big hang up for most of our guys, the universality of Christianity, that everyone on earth can and should become a Christian, and that that poisons the minds of so many Christians to adopting babies from Africa and embracing open borders and refugees and all of that.
And apologies if I stray too far from the book.
It's somewhat in there, but this is, yeah, the book is for the questioning people, and these questions come up all the time.
It seems to me, I'll posit that, well, if the entire world converted to Christianity and were true believing Christians, but we were still able to not all live in an open borders tower of Babel, that would be a pretty good outcome in that people would be kinder and we could still have white homelands or white neighborhoods and say, sorry, Tyrone, you may be as Catholic as me, but I don't want to live next to you or have my kids go to school with your kids.
Race and Christianity.
Right.
And I'll say about the race issue.
God does not want the white race to be erased.
The burden of proof is on those who argue the other way.
When people are like, oh, well, it's sinful to be racist or sinful to want separation.
You have to ask them, why, in your version of Christianity or in your version of God, does he want the white race to be erased?
He does not.
There's no reason why God would want us wiped out, except for, as I will later argue, for perhaps unbelief.
But why would God want that?
God does not desire all the races to be mixed together because God created the races.
He created these boundaries as a natural barrier and he created the divisions of languages, as the Tower of Babel story illustrates.
So these are God-created, God-ordained boundaries.
And while they can be trespassed, you know, there is a physical mechanism for these things to be trespassed.
You have to ask why?
Why are we doing this?
And I think it's far more beneficial to leave them in place.
Fair enough.
E. Michael Jones, great on the Jews and terrible on race.
And I suspect that you and he would probably agree on most things Christianity, maybe disagree on race.
Do you have an opinion on his works?
Is that a fair assumption?
I have not read his work, so I don't want to speak from a total position of ignorance, but that is the assessment that I have heard.
And if your assessment of his views on race are correct, then your assessment of my views on him are also correct.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He can literally be brilliant on the Jews and then just drop a whopper on race, as most of the audience probably knows.
Another serious question that's always bugged me.
Do you believe that every word on the Bible is divinely inspired?
Or are there, I mean, maybe God inspired it and man wrote it.
But are there sections that, you know, certain contradictions or parts that were like, I'm not so sure about that?
Or you really just believe it's all the word of God given to us through man.
I do believe it is the word of God.
It is inspired by God, and it is written down by human hands.
And how it is delivered to us here in 2024 is by translators and scribes.
So I do believe errors can occur in copying and translation, but I do believe that the word of God has been preserved.
And of course, there's quite a bit of debate on what translation is best or the most accurate.
Are you leveraging the Masoretic or the Septuagint?
There's lots of details to get into, but I do very much believe that the Word of God has been preserved in its entirety.
Fair enough.
Not every member of the audience, shame on them, is going to pick up a copy either for their own enjoyment or to give to a loved one.
Have you worked people or converted people or brought them around IRL and what has worked for you to disabuse them of the philosophism strategies that might go beyond the book?
Or using the book, of course, in verbal form.
Right.
Well, of course, the book is very recent, but in terms of my conversations with others, it is bringing them to the word of God as the authority.
And of course, as I say in the introduction of my book, you know, my arguments are leveraged from scripture.
This is not to make my arguments equal with scripture, but if you hold no value in scripture, my arguments will also not have value with you.
But for those who claim to value scripture, these are the arguments that will hold the most water: that there is a royal priesthood, as Peter puts it, that is the new covenant.
We are a chosen race, a new people crafted by God as the chosen people.
And that you can demonstrate throughout history that the Jewish soul is one of rebellion.
And why would God reward that?
Why would God say, oh, yeah, you know, that's cool to defy me for thousands of years.
Let's give you tons of gifts and favor and positions of power.
And on that topic of, you know, material success, that's the domain of Satan, isn't it?
You know, when people are like, oh, well, God has clearly blessed them.
Look how powerful they are.
Yeah, in Satan's system.
Get it?
I mean, that's kind of what I point them to.
So I've had varying levels of success, I'll say, because this is a hard, very emotionally charged topic to dislodge people from.
But this is hopefully a tool to use for that purpose for whoever in your life is coming to mind as this conversation goes on.
Fair enough.
Christian sectarianism.
There's hundreds, if not thousands, of course, of various sects of Christianity either today or down through the millennia.
Do you have an ideal there?
Does it not matter to you as long as someone is of the book and a true believer?
Does it matter if they're a Catholic or Christian identity or Protestant, etc.
Right.
And Jesus says that no one except by the Holy Spirit can say that Jesus is Lord.
Now, of course, there are false converts and people like the Converso class who would say that yet do not mean it in their heart.
Jesus is talking about the true conversion.
So if you have in your heart, in the true conversion sense, said Jesus is Lord, you are my brother.
Now, there are absolutely doctrinal issues I would take with, say, various sects of Christianity, but sectarianism and sectarian division is not something we need to focus on right now as a church, because there are plenty of external threats far more dangerous to the church's survival than whether you baptize your infants by submersion or sprinkling.
Fair enough.
And speaking of baptism of infants, circumcision.
Pro-neutral, anti.
Oh, very anti.
All right.
Fair enough.
And that's one.
Sam is a circumcision respecter.
He thinks he's skating through here.
Maybe he put a muzzle on and neck veins are bulging.
Sam, you can do respectfully.
I'm dying to know.
Even if you cut his central thesis to the bone, what's your beef with Mark Time?
Yeah, please.
Well, as I said, we're all responsible to the natural law, whether you are of faith, of a different faith or no faith at all.
We all have the law written on our heart, which is, you know, faggotry is bad, race mixing is wrong, usury is wrong, whatever it is.
So, you know, I would try to bring a broad sense of that where we are all operating out of us out of a sense, those of us who are awakened to the truth, we are all operating out of a sense of respect for nature, respect for morality and things like that.
Now, yeah, we will differ on the interpretation and the meaning of things, the meaning, you know, these the scriptures cited, which are no doubt sincerely held, sincerely believed by Mark Time or others that believe that way.
I'm more interested in, let's say, our local group here, which is very large and vibrant.
But regardless of the actual content of our faith, which is not unimportant, by the way, but this thing of agreeing with the natural law or standing up for those things that we know are right and wrong.
Many people in this day and age are seared in their consciences where this natural instinct for right and wrong has been destroyed, perhaps in some.
So, however, there's like just an utter difference of paradigm in what Mark Time is talking about, the way this book is written.
No doubt there are members of the audience that are screaming like, when am I going to talk?
When am I going to, you know, challenge certain ideas?
And I, you know, I guess I'm resisting, in a sense, the temptation to make this like a debate or a, you know, disagreement about things.
I'm trying to draw out the good.
I will not be offended if you want to take the text.
No, and your motivation is good.
And the work you've done is obviously, you've done a lot of work on this.
So I don't want to take away in any bit from that.
Are you familiar with the Christian identity movement?
Yes, I am.
Oh, okay.
All right, good.
Well, I would say look into that sometime if you haven't.
At very least, you could read several things that are on our website.
I wrote my autobiography, which is a great way to make people understand your points.
You know, if I started to expound on Christian identity ideas, you know, maybe you'd have a certain reaction against it.
But when you hear it in the context or read it in the context of somebody's development of their ideas that is sincerely, you know, communicated in a short article, sometimes you can see like, oh, I see the point of that.
You know, so I would invite you to read my autobiography, which is posted on the website.
Also, I would invite you to read what I wrote about from the Catholic perspective, dealing with the ideas of Christian identity.
Again, a short article that's on the site, but that would be a good way to understand where I'm coming from, which is a very different place.
There were things that moved me as a young man, and I'm talking about high school and college age, that really made me challenge the status quo about what the meaning of Christianity is and what is the right way forward.
So I read in your book, you used the NASB, the national, the New American Standard Version, NASV or NASB, Standard Bible or Standard Version.
Yeah, NASB or NASV.
Do you know in that version of the Bible where is the first occurrence of the word Jew?
Yes, it's in Kings, I believe.
And I understand that there is a difference between Jew, Hebrew, Israelite.
You can delineate those.
But as I described in my methodology section, I am describing the physical descendants of Abraham using a single label.
And Jew is the label that I think the people of today can understand best.
So I am sacrificing a little bit of precision by saying Jew when I'm referring to, say, Genesis.
But the intent is to just describe using one label to avoid confusion, the physical kind of to avoid confusion.
You might be introducing confusion if you call people Jews who are absolutely not Jews, such as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are not called Jews anywhere in scripture.
But how about when in history was the word Jew first used?
Do you know about that?
Well, I couldn't give you an exact date, but I know that Jew stems from the tribe of Judah, which is it became a more commonly used term after the destruction of the 10 tribes of Israel after the Assyrian exile.
Okay, well, the word Jew, the first appearance of it is in the 12th century AD.
There is a French word IEWE.
Of course, we didn't even have the letter J until the late 1600s.
So the word Jew is not actually in the Bible at all.
And the more specific terms in different contexts, be it Judean, which stems from the Roman province of Judea, or a member of the tribe of Judah, things like this.
So it does become like more detailed and and also the implications of it are more important.
So, so that, are there good Jews or have there been good Jews?
I mean you have to say yes right well sure okay see, that's where we differ.
I would say there are no good Jews.
The, the Jews we know of from either the the New Testament times or the times now, these are Edomites.
These are not racially Hebrews at all, these are not racially Israelites at all.
And that's where, like I say at some point, I have to say we just have a different paradigm, we're singing from a different hymnal, whatever it is, because to call Jesus Christ a Jew is extremely insulting to me.
To call the Blessed Mother a Jew is extremely insulting to me.
Saint Joseph the apostles, these are not Jews.
These are not these ugly, hook nosed, olive skin Jews that we know today.
All of art portrays uh, Jesus Christ as a white man.
In fact the, the uh Shroud Of Turn, was really recently authenticated.
Since that, since the uh first century a d, and when they've done the AI whatever, you could maybe question the AI, but when they filled in, you know, from the shroud of Turn, in fact, he looks exactly like all the artwork which is nothing like a Jew, and there's no way you could put a picture of a Jew and expect people to worship him and all that type of thing.
So uh, you know, for my faith, i'd like to interject you that uh I, I actually do not argue that Jesus was a Jew uh, racially or religiously because uh, that is always something brought up to browbeat about anti-semitism saying, oh well, you can't be against Jews because Jesus was a Jewel.
Right, if that's how you believe, you would have to be for it, because then when you read the, the Bible okay, so let me finish my point here.
Because uh Jesus, in the time of Jesus uh, legal inheritance was passed through the paternal line, not the maternal.
The maternal succession of Jewish heritage is a Talmudic invention.
It is not Biblical.
So when uh, we talk about Jesus's legal identity, he is God, not Jewish.
And to to say that god, that Jesus is Jewish or God is Jewish, is its own kind of blasphemy.
So I just wanted to clarify that I am not arguing that we worship a Jewish savior, we worship god, yeah.
And then even the dichotomy between the Jews and everybody else no, that it's not about the Jews and everyone else it's about people and non-people.
So you, you have the trees.
You mentioned that.
I was interested that you were recognizing that concept.
You know, if you are you a national socialist?
If I might ask, I consider myself a white nationalist?
I I have.
There are things about that movement I certainly admire, though okay well, if if for national social socialists out there, then if you've read me Kampfin, you know that Hitler over and over again uses the exact uh, Christian identity rationale about what happened in the Garden Of Eden.
That is before and separate from any kind of modern manifestation, Manifestation of Christian identity right now, but this is simply the way Christians understood it and knew about it from years gone by.
And even in this country, there was until 1967, there were laws against interracial marriage.
It was illegal and morally wrong.
And that was always viewed that way.
And in Mein Kampf, Hitler talks again and again about the race mixing that happened in the Garden of Eden.
So it's not about the Jews and everyone else.
It's about people, the descendants of Adam, and the bastards that are the offspring of fallen angels and mankind or animals in some case.
So that's why I ask about if you're a national socialist or not.
So go ahead, coach.
Yeah, no, I was just going to point out that Mark had chapter four, Jesus and the Jews.
And thank you, Sam.
I do, I'm not shutting it down, but now I understand.
I suspected that it was that, but I wasn't entirely sure.
So Mark has a whole section on Jesus and the Jews in which, yeah, or I read lucid data that, yep, he talks about the Talmud and cites Michael Hoffman as saying that the Talmud supersedes the Old Testament for at least, you know, Orthodox.
And the New Testament is for the Christians, interprets the Old Testament.
So if you read the Bible by starting at page 1, Genesis 1, 1, you're not reading the Bible correctly.
You have to start with Christ.
Christ interprets the Old Testament.
And without Christ, you cannot understand the Old Testament.
There's a great parable that talks about that there was a field and the enemy had come and sown cockle in there.
And so then they go to the master and they say, oh, should we separate them?
And he says, no, we will separate them at the end.
And so he tells that, Christ tells that publicly.
And then it says in the gospel, it says, and then he explains the real meaning to his apostles, because there were many things that Christ described and discussed that have been hidden since the beginning of the world.
So if you start with Genesis chapter 1, verse 1, you will not understand it correctly.
And then he goes on to explain this, that the field is the world and the enemy is the devil who has sown his bad seed into the world.
And that's the meaning of that.
So then when you go back, you understand, oh, Cain was a murderer from the beginning.
He's the offspring of Satan and Eve.
And when you begin to understand that way, now it all comes clear.
Go ahead, Mark.
Right.
And we certainly have common ground about the New Testament interpreting the old.
I 100% agree.
But briefly, I'd like to, you said that the term Jew did not exist until I think you said the 16th century.
12th century.
Answer that.
Okay.
What I would answer to that is perhaps the three-letter demonym Jew, perhaps not, but I'm talking about Eudeos, the Koine Greek term Eudeos, which we translate as Jew, which, you know, of course, Pilate inscribes on the placard above Christ's cross that he is king of the Eudeos, which we translate to Jews.
Judeans.
Yep.
Well, I contend actually that it cannot be Judeans because Pilate is the governor of Judea.
Why would he be quipping against himself that he is that Christ is king of the Judeans?
Because that would be a quip against himself.
He is rather contending against the Jews, the Eudaos, that he is, that Christ is king of the Eudaeos, because that is the charge that the Jews are bringing against him.
Right.
So the Edomites were converted a few centuries before Christ by in the time of the Maccabees.
And so the last legitimate Israelite dynasty was the Hasmoneans.
And that's when the Herods, who were Edomites, even the New Testament says that it calls Herod the Edumean, which is Edomite.
So they married into the Hasmoneans.
He married the daughter, actually, of the Hasmone, the last legitimate king there.
And then he slaughtered the entire family.
And that's how the Herods got into power.
And then so that's how Christ came to address that, you might say.
All right.
Mark, let me ask about Jews today.
Are they, well, I mean, there's obviously various theories.
The most interesting one I heard lately is that many of them were Phoenician converts, whether due to opportunism or just casting off the old ways.
But, you know, the average Jew or Jew who lives in Israel or an Ashkenazi in the United States, I would posit that there's some sort of hybrid combining people that got evicted from Judea or the kingdom of Israel long time ago or recently.
And I'm certainly no scholar.
It's just my temporary or at least current understanding of it, who then, you know, intermarried or whatever, but kept the faith.
So Jews today, is it fair to say that, yeah, they're probably descended from one or more of those tribes back in what is today Israel or Syria or Lebanon and just passed down through the years, adopting the Talmud, intermarrying and using the faith as a sort of, you know, of course, an evolutionary advantage, as Kevin McDonald has argued.
Right.
Well, of course, you have the 10 tribes who were wiped out in the Assyrian exile.
Those 10 tribes are lost to history that you had after that.
That's the first major tragedy that happened to them from a foreign power, as I understand it.
Right.
And then afterward, you had the, you know, the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin and also the Levitical priests.
The Jew today who describes himself as a Jew, there is a possibility that he does in fact have genetic lineage back to the Jews of, say, Jesus' time.
But there's also, in most cases, a likelihood that they have no genetic lineage back to that time.
However, what I argue is far more identifyingly authoritative about a Jew is their spiritual lineage, which has been given down and passed down through the ages one for one and exactly as it was in the time of Jesus.
Not many people know about the relationship between the Pharisees of Jesus' time and the Jews today.
After the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, the three major sects of Judaism, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes, the Sadducees and the Essenes fell away because their worship was contingent on the worship in the temple.
But the Pharisees had a far more spiritualized understanding of the faith.
And they had a theological innovation known as the oral Torah.
They believe that Moses was given both the written and the oral Torah on Mount Sinai.
And they believe that the written Torah is unintelligible, unintelligible without the oral Torah.
What is the oral Torah?
We know it today as the Talmud.
That is the written down oral Torah.
There's a direct link between the Pharisees that persecuted our Christ and the Jews that persecute us today.
They are the same people, the same spirit, the same religion.
There is a direct link.
So it really doesn't matter in my mind whether this individual who calls himself a Jew is physically related to the people of the Old Testament.
If he is a spiritual Jew, just as the Christian is spiritual Israel, if he is Thonic Israel, he is that seed.
He is that lineage.
So I hope that answers the question.
Yes, I'd like to interject there as far as Christ famously in his confrontation with the Pharisees.
They said, well, we are offspring of Abraham.
And he says, well, God can make offspring of Abraham out of stones.
And that is often taken the opposite of the meaning, the actual meaning of it by today's Christians, because, yeah, the stones, they could be made into offspring of Abraham.
The Edomites are offspring of Abraham.
All kinds of bastards can be called offspring of Abraham.
That doesn't make them the offspring of Abraham in terms of who is the heir to the covenant.
Right.
It does not make them heirs.
We as Aryans are the real heirs of the covenant because we are the true Israel.
And just because you are a son of Abraham by some other person or somebody who's been interracially mixed with some other group, that does not make you just because you can call Abraham your father, that does not make you a descendant of Abraham.
Right.
And I think that's where we differ by just that last little degree of the racial component of the salvation.
But I think there's perhaps some common ground we can find with each other because myself as a Calvinist, where I believe that there is a predestined aspect to salvation, that of course means that after the destruction of the Eastern churches at the hands of Islamic conquest, that God chose the European people to carry the torch of the faith.
And that is a very important feature of our people's history.
And we've really forgotten that.
Well, Christ said, you are my sheep because you hear my voice, not you hear my voice because you are my sheep.
Or maybe I'm saying that backwards.
But so we, you know, that's why we are as people, it's the white people who has published the Bible.
It's the white people who have who have promoted and carried the gospel and built the church to the point today where the churches are traitors to the very people that built it.
Yes, I think that our people have built up a long list of wonderful works for the kingdom, but I also have immense grief in my heart for our people because we have forsaken the covenant of our fathers.
And we are in grave danger as a people, I argue, because we have done so.
We are handed over to wicked rulers.
We are handed over to Jewish rulers of all people because of our rejection of the covenant of our fathers.
And on predestination, I want to speak about that.
This is getting, it does get into kind of a mystical concept because, you know, predestination, here we are, we're operating.
We feel like we have free will, right?
And in a sense, we do.
From our perspective, we do.
But God has the whole plan in view.
And so he sees that it's all played out in the way that it will.
And I would say that as I'm going through my life as a white man, you know, whether I'm living as a good Christian now, or I have a deathbed conversion or deathbed repentance of some serious sin or whatever, that's because it's in me already.
The seed is in me to be that way from the moment that I was conceived because I'm a white man.
So the white people are the type of people that can save their souls, whereas the non-white people are the people that, yes, theoretically, if they repented, but they can't repent because they don't have it in them.
You know, they don't have that seed within them.
So that is a way that predestination can be viewed as correct and true.
Christ himself said, in arguing with these Edomites, he says, I am from above.
You are from below.
And everything returns from where it came.
So the way I look at it, the Aryans, those are the type of people that can repent and they go back where they came from, which is from God.
These Edomites and all the other races, they go from where they are from, which is from below.
Very good.
I got one more serious question for you, Mark, and then one tongue-in-cheek.
The argument that you make in the eras of Abraham stands up in terms of all of the temple destructions and exiles and sufferings that the Jews experienced due to their perfidy, the Neo-Assyrian Empire, the Babylonian, the Romans, the Neo-Persians, checks out with them dissenting and not living by God's word.
But looking at their track record, perhaps World War II accepted, it seems like they're in the damn driver's seat right now, wealthier than any people on earth, almost certainly more powerful, even if it's hand behind stuff.
And maybe he touched on that because the beast was allowed to be freed from the abyss with when the Jews were emancipated by Napoleon.
So that's what we have right now.
Yeah, we're getting the Jews that we deserve because we've been soft on them.
Sort of the core argument against philosophism and the dispensationalists.
But go ahead, Mark.
They had a pretty good run, at least since World War II.
Yes.
And I always counter this argument with how can we point to success in industries like pornography or human trafficking or their genocidal state over in the Mediterranean as markers of favor of God.
These are markers of satanic favor.
And I do, so getting into some, I guess, more esoteric aspects of Jewish interaction with the world, they operate both as a collective racial organism, but also through a system of ritual and magic.
And I do mean magic.
It is known as Kabbalah, which stems from the Talmud and is a series by which they gain favor from demons.
And that is just an incontrovertible fact.
That is how they operate.
Their Talmud is riddled with rituals and summonings and entreaties to demonic entities for favor.
What we are seeing today is a golden age of demonic favor on the Jewish people, not God's favor.
So, oh, yeah, well, when I argue with these Judeo-Christians that believe that the Jews are that Jesus was a Jew, the Jews are the Israelites, the Jews are the chosen people, whatever it is.
I say, okay, so we, as I've heard since I was a young man, you know, oh, if you bless the Jews, then you will be blessed.
You know, if you, uh, we have to approve of and assist this criminal state of Israel, so on and so forth.
So I say, oh, okay.
So since 1948, do we have when this bastard state was born?
Do we have more divorce or less divorce?
Do we have more cancer or less cancer?
Do we have, you know, more crime or less crime?
Do we have more debt or less debt?
Because everything I see is that we're cursed since blessing this people.
Yes.
They call the Jews, the Israel, all that stuff.
You know, it's obvious to me, you know.
So I didn't realize that was such a softball for you two guys, knocking it out of the park there.
Sorry to get wound up there, but that's good that you guys are on the same page on that one.
Good.
And that original passage, I'm so glad you brought that up: you know, I'll bless those who bless you or curse those who curse you, Genesis 12.
That's talking about the spiritual seed of Abraham, which can only be the church.
God will curse those who curse the church and bless those who bless the church.
It has nothing to do with the thonic Israel.
I would say that that's the Aryan people, which is the church.
You know, it's in a roundabout way.
You can almost kind of round off the corners there.
Who is the church?
The church, the people who have received the gospel are the Aryans, the people that publish the Bible, the people who have been reformers or any other thing that you want to say has always been the white people.
When the Gibbs me that dry up, the non-whites just go away.
Christianity is a white man's religion.
And with if the Aryan, let's put it this way, Christ dies with the Aryan.
Likely so, or at least a Christianity that we recognize.
My tongue-in-cheek question for Mark was: when I learned about Calvinism back in school, whatever it was, high school, I thought, oh man, that's a sweet gig.
Like, God's got it all in control.
I can just kick, I can just sit back and kick it because he's already got, he's already decided whether I'm going up or down when I die.
Of course, a pretty shallow grub reddit tier interpretation of it.
But, you know, because I think, you know, at least when I looked into Calvinism, like that was the hang up, was the predestination thing.
But, and what you said there also sort of contradicted what I liked from my buddy's counseling years back about no, he doesn't act in everything because then you'd be an automaton.
But it sounds like we are kind of automatons in your view, and he's got everything under control, making things happen or letting things happen.
Right.
Now, with regards to the first part of your question of, you know, kicking your legs up and God take care of the rest.
Well, we, in our current experience, we cannot know for certain if we are elect or not, which is the really scary part because there has to be evidence.
There has to be fruit from the tree.
And you have to, as Paul puts it, with fear and trembling, work out your own salvation.
Unless you do penance, you will not be saved.
So there's no kicking your feet up or anything like that.
You must do penance.
There has to be evidence of salvation in your own life.
And I think the scariest verse in the Bible is when Jesus says that there, you know, at the end of time, there will be people who say, but I did works in your name.
I cast out demons in your name.
But Jesus says to those people, depart from me.
I never knew you.
That's the scariest verse in the whole Bible.
I really believe that.
So there is a precarity to knowing if you're an elect or not.
And that is what, you know, for lack of a better term, keeps people like Calvinists in line.
You know, there's there's no rail away to heaven.
It's like a mystical kind of an understanding.
Yeah, it's not like something you can you can conclude now.
This is like God knows everything in its entirety already, you know, but that doesn't mean that doesn't save us from having to do what's right and make difficult choices and be virtuous and deny ourselves and take up fasts and penances and things like that.
Of course.
Oh, go ahead.
No, please, I was just going to say, I, of course, do not seriously think like that at the time.
But some people will strawman the position to that point.
But to the latter part of your question of, you know, are we automatons or not?
Well, that's, you know, to a degree or another, a matter of perspective, because as I said to the first part of your question, we can't know what, you know, the ultimate fate of our soul is right now.
We can, you know, have a pretty good idea, but we can't know for certain.
And there is, you know, the sort of redded atheist argument of like, oh, well, then God is doing all the evil in the world.
It's like, well, the issue of that is there is an overarching plan and there is this demonstration of God's glory in that plan.
And glory has to come through conflict, I believe.
It has to be demonstrated through conflict.
And God is demonstrating his triumph over evil as a measure of his glory.
So we as mere mortals, as mere humans, struggle to comprehend that because, you know, we can't see the full picture.
We can't see like, oh, man, you know, I got in a car accident today.
That sucked.
It must be God's fault.
It's like, well, but perhaps he saved you from something else by getting you in that car accident.
Who knows?
It's a matter of perspective.
And we as humans can struggle to comprehend that.
Thank you very much for that.
One last one, seriously.
Is there anything else in the book that you want to flag for the audience that we perhaps didn't cover tonight?
Well, I would just encourage the listener that if you feel that Christianity is a Judaized religion, I hope that we've cracked that edifice a little bit tonight.
And I really hope you read my book, not for my benefit.
I don't care about the money.
I want you to read it because I care about your soul.
And I just hope that there is someone out there listening tonight who will read this book and come to the faith and understand that they don't have to feel guilty about being a Christian.
And that will make it all worth it for me.
Amen, brother.
Sam, anything else for Mark?
No, that's good.
You know, we could go on and on.
There's a lot of fascinating points.
I would just reiterate, you know, to him or to anybody, check out a couple of things that I've written and just to see if that jogs anything in your mind.
You bet, Sam.
I'll flag your autobiography too.
We have the entire thing on the website for sure.
But if it's published elsewhere, and you want me to flag that too so people go to that.
Oh, guys.
Happy to yeah, no, just just mentioning, you know, um, Mark or anyone else for another view of Christianity, I would say go read a couple of my articles.
You bet.
Uh, Mark, although I am not technically a Christian, um, one of those guys with hang-ups and try to approach it sincerely, and it's just not hitting me still.
I definitely caucus with the Christians as some of those weird politicians who are independent but choose one side or the other for sure.
But I have no doubt in my mind or my heart that this is absolutely sincere, that this will be a valuable contribution for our guys who already know the score to arm them with more material, primarily for people who are on the fence and in the on the cusp of shedding their Judeo-Christian affinities, and also for the people in the audience.
And they're probably 20 to 30% of the audience who think that it's all hocum.
Um, I would say consider checking it out.
Eight bucks on amazon.com, written by himself, and certainly a professional.
I didn't find a typo or a mistake in the entire thing.
And I thank you for your service, sir.
Thank you.
And there's one more thing I'd like to plug here.
Please, yeah, not at all.
So, I God has placed in my path the implements to print and bind this book myself for pennies on the dog.
So, soon, very soon, I will have the operation online to be printing this book very cheaply and distributed through a network of people to churches, to acquaintances, whomever.
So, soon on my Telegram, I will put out a call for people who are willing to distribute the book at no cost to you.
Cool.
Absolutely.
For that operation to put them in book arcs and in the back of churches, or I would leave them on the street, but good for you, buddy.
And well, yeah, might be a business for you too.
A little bit of publishing on the side, not just of this.
Sure, absolutely.
All right, Mark Time.
The book is The Heirs of Abraham.
You can find it on Amazon.
I will be sure as heck to post that in the show notes for sure.
Grateful for your time and for your service.
Sam, thank you for finally taking my bait and pushing back and getting down to, you know, cores, Christian identity and race and interpretation there.
And of course, you're respectful and Mark as well.
Yeah, absolutely.
I, you know, there, there are sometimes there's a another, I think the Bible says something like there's a way that seems right into a man until you see the other, until you hear the other, another view.
So definitely check out a couple of articles I've written for yet a different view.
You bet.
And Rolo looks like a desiccated skeleton rotting away in his chair there.
So we're going to spare him a second hour.
But we, I mean, we didn't even talk about the lion of Damascus and the fall of Syria, the Daniel Penny trial, and of course, the not the whack job, but the whack, the hit in New York City.
Three very big current events.
Syria, I think, obviously the biggest that's going to have consequences for years to come.
So maybe we can wrap after the show and maybe rope in an expert or two and do another one before next week.
I would love to do that.
Even if we just, you know, do an hour here.
This has gone over an hour, of course, and then maybe another hour, part two, just separated by a few days.
So we love you, fam.
We'll talk to you hopefully less than a week.
Mark time, heirs of Abraham.
And the DJ booth is yours, my friend.
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