For the purposes of the first half of this show, the MQ is the Mormon question.
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This week, we look under the hood of America's homegrown and once white exclusive religion to better understand its history and current dynamics and hopefully opportunistically leech some lessons from its many successes.
Tribalism, clean living, big families, growth, and building influence, wealth, and resilience at minimum.
We certainly will not try to convert you this week, but our two special guests happen to be white nationalist Mormons and would probably be delighted if you decided to pursue the faith further.
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welcome everyone to full house episode 119 the world's most spiritually searching show for white fathers aspiring ones and the whole biofam We've had a lot of religious shows in the past few months.
I am your now 41-year-old host, Coach Finstock.
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Now quit smiling and get back to work.
Before we meet the birth panel and our very special guests, however, big thanks to George and Mick for their kind support of the show this week.
George said he wants to hear our take on the war threat between Russia and Ukraine, and that we should all be louder like Rockwell and Pierce when it comes to current events.
You got it, George.
We will definitely touch on that in the second half at latest.
Also, I have in my not yet spring dirt stained hands the official Dad Joke Bible of 2022.
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I'm going to keep this right by me every show going forward.
If there's any awkward silences, I'm going to the Dad Joke Bible.
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And thanks to my buddy Nate for the wonderful birthday present.
All right.
That's enough of me.
Let's get on to the birth panel and our special guests.
First up, we had to get his sons to chain him down to his seat like Alex in Clockwork Orange, eyeballs peeled back and all, as he was howling about heretics coming on Full House.
That is 100% true.
That's a good one, Coach.
Good one.
Hey, happy birthday.
Happy birthday to you.
Thank you, brother.
Yeah.
And, you know, our birthdays are not that far apart.
I could be having a birthday coming up or maybe one past.
Who knows?
But there's something to be said about, you know, I don't want to give too much credence to this idea of astrology, but people born at certain times of the year and all that, there maybe does seem like some similarities and personality traits and things like that.
I don't know.
But I know we have a couple of, we have some overlap in our personalities and stuff.
So it just might be so in some kind of way.
But so happy.
It's funny.
Thank you, Sam.
It's funny you mention horoscopes.
I just saw a meme today where it was like white women be willing to judge groups based on their horoscope, but are completely unwilling to judge them by their race or continental origin.
Right.
Yeah, for sure.
And certainly this thing of personalities and time of the year that you're born, I think that would only apply to white people for sure.
But there does seem maybe a little something to it.
I wouldn't give it too much credence, but it does have a ring to it.
But yeah, you know, I appreciate this day that we're recording is not our usual day.
And it's a Sunday, I think I can say that.
And I happened to take off of work Tuesday, which for certain reasons, I took a vacation day Tuesday.
So that means tomorrow I could show up late and drunk to work.
And that's kind of the unwritten rule, right?
You got a vacation day.
The day before, you're kind of not relied on to be 100%.
So I appreciate that.
And just real quickly, I'm going to be having another show on the white power hour.
And I don't know exactly when it's coming out.
I wasn't going to mention it yet, but you said to mention it briefly at the top of the show.
And so I'm just throwing it out there.
When I know for sure when it's coming out, I'll mention it again.
But I'm going into, this is an interesting show because I'm trying to remember the earliest stuff that I can, I remember hearing that brought me to this scene, you know, this white power scene.
And so it's kind of an interesting thing.
I think there's some things that maybe some people have never heard before.
And, you know, there's a lot of stuff I've heard since then or stuff I heard later or stuff by the same bands that I heard later.
But I was specifically trying to remember the earliest, earliest stuff that I ever heard as a teenager and as a young person.
So that'll be coming out soon anyways.
Awesome.
Little trip down memory lane there.
Yeah.
And I did, you know, I busted your chops about calling Mormons heretics.
I am sure that there are some, some of our listeners are like, come on, not this.
Like, I'm sure there's like very strong reactions to it.
But just, do you have any off the off the bat?
Do you consider it a heretical sect?
Or are you soft on the MQ?
Well, here's the thing.
And honestly, I've never met anybody in person that was a Mormon that I could really talk to and kind of go back and forth with.
I knew one guy in my whole life, but not like that we had a conversation about it or anything.
And I would say that race first, brothers always is my motto in life.
And anybody who is putting their race first is going to have similar values to me.
And some of those religious ideas, and including, you know, there's people who are atheists or agnostics or pagans or different types of interpretations of Christianity.
I think that as long as we are putting our race first and we believe in what it means to be a white person and all that, we can, we really do share a tremendous amount of things in common.
And those things that divide us, I do not want to say that they are not important.
They are important in some kind of level, but we could have like an adult, civil conversation about those things and we could learn from each other.
Disagree with each other and even vehemently disagree with each other about certain things, and that's okay with me, but uh, that we have these same values that unite us and and our cultural identity and things like that, to me that's the most important things.
And those other things we can uh, we can work on those things.
We can talk to each other and agree or disagree, or agree to disagree, and i'm okay with that.
I hope our guests are as well.
I suspect it will turn out that way, but we don't know for sure.
So let's see.
Thank you, savvy baby, welcome.
Yes sir oh, he parachuted he, you bet he parachuted in right at the last moment, next up.
When I asked him before the show if he had any problems with doing one with Mormons, he said and this is a quote, I would convert to Judaism if it meant total Aran victory.
Also very true Smasher, are you there?
I am here barely.
I am by the seat of your pants, full disclosure.
I was holding one of the newest boys sitting on the couch, got cozy and passed out and the wife came over and was like Michael, get up, you have to do the show.
And I was like grunts at her.
And then she comes back over.
She's like, Michael seriously, you have to get up and go do the show.
And then that that's what finally like got through.
I was like okay, summer will on over, so drinking.
Oh, long weekend, very long weekend.
We drove down to West Virginia.
We were there, spent the night kids slept horribly in the hotel room, it was great.
Drove back four hours uh, helped get the kids out of the car and then I hopped back in the truck and drove an hour away for band practice that night or saturday, and then drove back later that night.
I got home at like midnight or something, uh.
And then today we woke up, drove out an hour away, helped somebody move uh, you know, his entire life into a storage unit and hung out with them, drove back.
So it's been a long weekend, to say the least.
All right well, thanks for making time for us.
I remember I used to take a nap before the Fatherland and be a little groggy, like the beginning but uh well, we'll stall for you.
You know, have you?
You bet, all right, our two very special and patient guests.
Let's get on to them first up.
I knew absolutely nothing about him before the show, other than that he was a white nationalist Mormon true believer, and he came highly recommended by a trusted associate.
So Yvonne, welcome to full house.
And uh, thanks for your willingness to talk about the faith.
We'll see if you have to defend it tonight.
I don't think we're going to give you the third degree, but maybe we will.
How are you, buddy?
Thanks for having me our pleasure.
I don't know if you're a listener.
Shamefully, you probably haven't listened before, but that's okay.
We're calling you up out of the bullpen here.
Uh Yvon, what are, what's your ethnicity, religion and fatherhood status?
Please, buddy.
I'm Scottish.
I'm Mormon, of course.
And I do have one daughter.
She's three months old.
So pretty new.
My first one of many.
Hopefully.
Awesome.
New dad.
Wonderful.
Bless you and wifey.
And let's just real quick before we go on to our next guest, I presume that you were raised Mormon from birth and that you are still a true believer in the faith, not a quote-unquote cultural Mormon.
But tell us a little bit about your Mormon background, please.
Yeah, my family's been in the church since 1836.
So I'm descended from a member of the Council of 50.
And I've been Mormon all my life.
I am a true believer in the theology, although I stopped attending church for a few years because I was upset about some of the changing policies.
But nowadays I go simply to be part of the community, although I think they've fallen away from the scriptures and the theology in a big way.
But it's still far better than any of the other alternative religions that you can attend today.
Okay, big claim.
And we'll dig into where you think they have strayed or perhaps gone wrong later this first hour.
And let's get on then to our final and very special guest.
He too is a white nationalist Mormon, which is of course the best kind, and was kind enough to be our color man and ride and shotgun with Yvonne on our little investigation.
It's an interview.
So William, welcome to Full House.
How are you, buddy?
Hey, coach.
I'm doing good.
All right.
Give the audience real quick.
I guess we'll call it ERFS for short.
I'm so tired of saying ethnicity, religion, and fatherhood status.
Yeah, I'm mostly German with a bit of English.
And I'm Mormon, of course.
And I have many children, roughly half a dozen children, let's say.
Amen.
Well done.
And how about were you raised Mormon from birth?
And are you still a true believer?
I converted when I was about 10 or so.
So pretty young.
I mean, I've been in the church the vast majority of my life at this point.
I am still a true believer.
I go to church.
My kids go.
My wife goes, all that sort of thing.
So yeah, I would echo everything that Yvonne said about, you know, them sort of rejecting scripture, I guess you could say.
But for now, I still do go and participate and have a calling.
I guess that's kind of a technical term.
I do something in the church.
I have like a job, I guess you could say.
So yeah.
And I assume you didn't convert on your own as a 10-year-old.
You didn't pick up the Book of Mormon in a Marriott Hotel and go it yourself.
Your parents did too.
Yeah, it was a fairly chance thing having to do with relationships and that sort of thing.
So it wasn't.
Gotcha.
We weren't seeking actively, but we, yeah, we converted together.
Yeah.
All right.
Very good.
Let's get Kraken here then.
And I'll play the superficially educated normie.
I'll try to put myself in the shoes of the audience, which is probably not too far from the truth.
You know, the basic history, we understand that there was this guy named Joseph Smith in Western New York in the 1820s.
He was visited by an angel who revealed golden plates.
If I get anything wrong, we can correct it later.
That essentially constituted a new book of the Bible or possibly even a precursor to the Bible.
And then they eventually, you know, fled west to avoid persecution.
Smith was murdered either in Illinois or Missouri.
And then Brigham Young essentially took up the cross for him.
They settled in Utah.
And we now have the Book of Mormon and a very large, many millions of adherents.
Certainly not one of the biggest religions in the world.
And I don't even think it's the fastest growing, but it's certainly significant here in the United States and around the world.
And I guess I'd just say that it's interesting for a number of reasons.
All of the, there are many positive things that go along with Mormonism, but I suspect many people like myself get hung up or hold their noses at what seem to be wacky, bizarre, made-up names and possibly, you know, just manufactured history.
And I mean no insult by that.
So let's go to go to Yvonne first.
And it's maybe a tough task, but can you fill in any gaps there?
What is Mormonism in your words, spiritually and your understanding of the faith?
Well, first of all, I didn't see anything really wrong with your brief summary of the church history.
I mean, that's more or less what it is.
As far as the made-up names and stuff like that, I mean, I would just say it's more or less the same criticism that atheists have of any sort of religious text.
It just seems weird, I think, because most people aren't exposed to it culturally.
But I mean, the names are Hebrew.
They're real names.
There's nothing really, I think, particularly weird about it.
If you can kind of scale your perspective back out of, you know, not encountering Mormonism until you are however many years old.
I mean, that's what I would say about it.
The thing that I think more people get hung up on is the idea that Christ came to the Americas, or actually, we believe he went to every continent rather than just appearing in Israel.
That's probably the one that people more often give as a criticism.
But if you actually read the scripture, what it says is that basically Christ gave his message to all people on the planet rather than just the Jews in Israel.
And if you think about it, if we do have an all-powerful, benevolent heavenly father, wouldn't it make sense that he would enlighten all the people of the world rather than just the Jews?
Yeah, as a kid, I often thought, like, oh, go ahead, Smasher.
Yeah.
I just want to say, good job with benevolent in your R's.
You're not rolling them too much.
Very impressed.
I told Yvonne at first I thought that he had a Russian accent, but more savvy listeners will hear the true accent there.
Can you say purple burglar alarm?
Purple burglar alarm do one of the characters from Austin Powers movie.
All right.
So let's, all right.
I'm interested in the aspect.
I think that was a to real content.
I think that was a fair point.
Like, you know, if God, the Christian God, the Heavenly Father, is the omnipotent, all-powerful being, then, yeah, I don't see why he couldn't send Jesus all over the place.
And it's a good retort to some of my Reddit tier, you know, theological arguments, which is that like, man, you know, why would God just send them down right there at that time just for those people instead of doing a worldwide tour, perhaps?
Yvonne, we're going to go into the revelation, the angel revealing the plates too.
But, you know, my the I read Christopher Hitchens, God is not great probably a decade or more ago.
Unfortunately, I don't have it at my fingertips here because it's one of the dozens of books I've loaned out to friends and never got back.
So I don't have the section.
But again, for somebody who's skeptical, perhaps put politely about the faith, he took the religion to the woodshed more than some of the others.
Just say Joseph Smith was a charlatan.
The plates are BS.
He had a little screen up as he was reading them to the transcribers.
He was making it up as he goes along.
So let's go back to Joseph Smith.
And I assume that's the true origins.
An angel appeared to him.
He received or witnessed the golden plates and that became the foundation for the Book of Mormon.
But, you know, take that for whatever it's worth.
Yeah, well, that's pretty close to being accurate.
I mean, the story actually goes that the plates were written by a prophet, an ancient prophet named Mormon, hence the Book of Mormon.
And they were given by Mormon to his son Moroni, who appeared as an angel many years later.
And he simply showed Joseph Smith where the plates had been left.
They were buried.
And Smith retrieved them.
Regarding the retorts about Smith being a charlatan and stuff being made up, I mean, frankly, I take it with a grain of salt because you know how people are about their political enemies.
I mean, they can say these things about screens and stuff.
It's not really verifiable.
I mean, we don't know.
You have to choose to take one person's word over another.
And the prophet and the church, they've done many great things.
There are lots of other theological reasons that I tend to believe what they're saying, but the opponents of the church tend to be redditier normies, both in the past and nowadays.
So I'm sure they'd, you know, come up with all kinds of things to try and discredit him.
What you have, though, that I think is irrefutable is that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon, or rather, he transcribed it when he was a very young man.
He was illiterate, had no schooling, and he produced this very large, complete work of scripture.
It was well written.
If he wasn't divinely inspired, the chances that he would have been able to even come up with something approaching a fake to the point where he could convince so many people of its authenticity.
It's really statistically implausible for a young, illiterate teenager to be able to compile a work like that.
Sure.
Good point.
William, how about yourself?
I assume that you were initially raised in a standard, quote-unquote, standard Christian sect.
Do you remember converting and did you struggle with it?
Did you fight it, you know, like a vampire and then submit to the true work?
No, I don't think we were very religious before we converted.
I remember going to this church and that.
My mother, as a German, was probably a Lutheran.
I mean, she was definitely Lutheran, but I don't think we attended church almost at all before.
So I don't think I had a problem with it.
But again, I was pretty young.
So later on, as I grew up and as I was a teen and whatnot, I had some, I had a few issues here and there, a few faith struggles, I guess you could say.
The biggest one being much more recent with racial issues, I guess.
But I never had a huge problem with the aspects of it that people find a little hard to believe, but I can see why they do.
I understand.
I just, I never had that issue myself.
Fair enough.
And let's dig in more about the idea of Christ visiting the Americas.
I guess the idea is that the native, quote-unquote, Native Americans were not the Iroquois and the Cherokee that we think of, but there was a more ancient race in North America, which has an interesting tie-in to a lot of alternative anthropology, right?
I almost smelled like a Christian identity Mormonism buddy cop film possibly here in the works.
But in all seriousness, so did was Jesus during the time of our understanding of his life, does Mormonism teach that he was traveling the world or was this before he became a corporeal human on earth?
That part is a complete mystery to me.
Okay, I can answer that.
So regarding the Native Americans, the story actually goes, there was a family that traveled to the U.S., you know, the Americas, but modern day United States.
They traveled over here from the Middle East.
They were commanded to travel over here by God.
And this occurred just before the area that is now Israel was conquered by the Babylonians.
So they were fleeing the Babylonian conquest.
And the family consisted of a father named Lehi.
And he had a few sons, but the important ones are Nephi and Laman.
And Nephi was favored by God.
Laman was a sinner.
And in the new world, their progeny went on to form two groups.
The Nephites remained pure, and the Lamanites, two things happened to them.
First of all, they were cursed for their sin and their skin turned dark.
And secondly, they intermingled with the natives.
So the natives, it doesn't say that they're a different race, but rather that they have trace ancestry from these Lamanites and the descendants of Laman.
And so Jesus came and he delivered his message here to the Nephites, who were holy people, but eventually were overrun and basically genocided by the Lamanites.
And so there are no more Nephites.
And the Lamanites are the ones that remained and prospered in the New World.
Regarding the timeline, I haven't read this section of the scripture in a while, but I can say, so I can't give an exact date, but I can say that as far as I remember in the scripture, Jesus does come to the Americas before he appears in Israel.
I believe it was around 600 BC that he appeared in the New World, but I might be wrong on that.
As I said, I don't have the dates memorized so well on that section.
I haven't read it in a while, but that's my understanding.
Some corollaries there, Sam, huh?
With the Edomites and the sort of tenets of Christian identity, the good sons and the race mixing.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right, gents.
Any other, I mean, my intent is not to like stump you or grill you here about the stuff that is difficult.
But before we move on, we're going to talk about race, polygamy, child rearing, the way that Mormons have accumulated wealth, power, and prepping capabilities.
But are there any other softballs that Normes or skeptics throw you guys or insult you with that you want to bat out of the park right now?
Don't Mormons claim that the, I guess, the Temple of Mormon or whatever was there?
Like it was already there and they found it and they're like, oh, look at this.
Perfect.
This is where we're going to set up.
No, that's a Tartarian thing.
Okay, I wasn't sure if I was getting everything mixed up or not.
Okay.
Brigham Young said something along the lines of, I see it.
Like I see it.
Like you see it.
He was saying that he saw it in vision, basically, that he could see the temple standing there.
And these Tartarian type theorists are saying, oh, so the temple was already built there.
There's no way horse and buggy people built that glorious temple there in the middle of the desert.
So he okay, I understand now where I got that from.
He's literally saying like in an artistic way, I see this wonderful temple standing here.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Well, another one that I get commonly is the South Park magic underwear thing.
Sure.
Thank you.
It's just ridiculous.
I mean, it's a real thing, but when you visit a Mormon temple, we have spiritual garments that we wear, just like in other churches, you know, the Catholic church, the priests have a certain way they dress.
When you visit a Mormon temple, there's a certain way that you dress.
And the clothes are a little bit funny and they do look like underwear.
And sometimes if it's cold, you know, people may wear stuff over them, but they're neither magic nor are they really underwear.
It's just our spiritual garb.
It'd be cooler if they were magic.
Yeah.
I wear the magic underwear.
Yeah, I'm an altar boy.
We have our cast socks and surplus and everything.
So yeah, I understand that.
All right.
Well, let's get on to the really juicy stuff, the good stuff.
Race and Mormonism.
How do you feel about drinking Coke?
No, no, no.
We don't have to do the belly literally.
That's another one, right?
Yeah, no, no caffeine, no alcohol.
Well, that's not really true, actually.
I mean, what it says in the scripture is that hot drinks are bad for the belly.
And hot drinks, at the time, it was meant as it's how they referred to coffee and tea in the English language at the point in time when the scripture was dictated.
So it's coffee and tea specifically that are forbidden, not caffeine at all.
How about alcohol in the scriptures?
Alcohol, you're not supposed to drink it.
I'm not going to say that Mormons don't drink it, but you're not supposed to.
But it's not like you'll go to hell if you don't.
They just say it's bad for your health and the prophet advises against it.
Okay.
Was it white racially exclusive explicitly or implicitly?
Obviously, it's not today.
So talk about race and Mormonism, if you would.
And of course, Yvonne, William, you know, trade off however you see fit.
Yeah, it was explicitly a white exclusive religion.
I mean, about as explicitly as you can get, people who are not white were forbidden from not from being baptized, but from holding any sort of the priesthood.
And there are multiple levels of the priesthood, but essentially to become a full member of the church, you have to have some level of priesthood conferred upon you.
And outside of that, there are a number of places in the scripture where it refers to people with dark skin as being marked by God as unclean and as sinners.
I think that's about as explicitly white exclusive as you can get, but there was never any prohibition against baptizing them or making them pay the tithe, if that's what they mean.
But to my knowledge, it's the most racially exclusive religion that has existed.
If you read the Book of Mormon and take it literally and don't twist it to fit your modern conceptions, if you take the words literally, it says in the Book of Mormon that basically white people are the default.
Unless there's something wrong with you, you're white, and darkness comes from a curse.
And it also says that one of the main purposes of darkness, of dark skin, is to keep white people from mixing with you.
It literally says it's to make you disgusting and make white people not want to mix with you.
So it's pretty, it's pretty explicit.
Interestingly, in the Quran, it says like a question, why did God make the different races?
And the answer is so that God could tell which one was the best, implying the whitest one was the best.
Hebrew Israelites BTFO'd.
And that's why we should convert to Islam.
Well, all right, let's not go there.
Smasher, if the angel visited you and said, smasher, convert to Judaism and we will have total Aryan victory.
Would you actually do it?
I would call him a coike-loving faggot.
Okay.
Speaking of, I do want to address modernity creeping into Mormonism and why both of our guests are uncomfortable with the path of the church, like so many other Christians, of course.
But how about Jews, Israelites, Hebrews in Mormonism?
Do they discriminate between the ones from the Bible and the Ashkenazi of today?
How do you guys, how does Mormonism address the JQ?
As far as I know, but again, I haven't gone through the scripture in a little while, so maybe William can correct me on this.
But I don't believe there's any explicit mention of the Ashkenazim or the JQ really in the Book of Mormon proper, other than the idea that there are multiple Israelites across the world,
the story being that the 12 tribes of Israel, the original God's chosen people, went in all different directions, 12 different really, and became different races across the world, but all of which had light skin.
However, Brigham Young and the prophet Joseph Smith both spoke to great lengths about the Jewish question.
They wrote that Jews were not to be trusted.
They warned against Jewish bankers and Jewish influence in society.
And there are a number of famous now censored speeches and talks by both of those men and by other early prophets about the Jewish question.
Yeah, Brigham Young especially was very distrustful.
He gave a talk once.
Brigham Young, he gave a speech once where he said, let me see here.
I have the quote here.
He basically said that we should stop preaching to the Jews.
He said, come away from that people and leave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance, for the sins of their fathers are a sweet morsel to them and they take pleasure in their wickedness.
So Brigham Young was very down on the Jews.
Sounds similar to something Jesus would say in the New Testament.
So far, so good, gentlemen.
I'm not hearing anything that's making my skin crawl, no offense.
My innate skepticism, of course, is always there, but so far, so good.
So what happened?
We're going to talk about polygamy and we'll jump around here.
But what happened in Mormonism?
I guess polygamy was the first tenet to fall in the late 1890s.
I don't know if that was coerced.
It was probably coerced by government.
But in more recent times, obviously read a story that Latinos constitute the biggest growing number of Mormons.
I assume that missionary work is being done throughout sub-Saharan Africa, Asia, etc.
Now, I don't know if that's part of the problem or that was always okay.
And it's more in recent years that things have gone south.
But Yvonne, you know, you mentioned that your discomfort with the course of things.
What happened and what in particular is straying from the true faith?
Well, I've got a couple of major pain points.
But with regards to the demographics of the church, certainly there are more non-white members worldwide than there are white ones, but that's mainly because the church sends lots of missionaries to places like the Philippines and South America.
And, you know, I'm not really so worried about that because basically what they're doing is taxing them.
They're getting the tithe money out of them.
And it's not like they're, you know, bringing them into Europe or the United States.
It's kind of, you know, everyone knows what's going on.
Really?
Is it like understood, like revenue harvesting and not genuine outreach?
Yeah, I mean, every Mormon that I've ever met sort of understands that, whether they're willing to admit it or not.
But maybe William will disagree with me, but I think it's pretty apparent that that's what's going on.
But the major point of concern for me ethnically was they had recently appointed the first member of the 12 apostles who's not white.
He's an Asian guy.
And that is a pretty disturbing thing to happen because the 12 apostles are sort of the highest rank you can have in our church.
And when the prophet dies, one of the apostles becomes the prophet.
So it's more of a showmanship thing.
I'm quite sure they'd never actually appoint the Asian guy as prophet, but that they'd even get him to that office or even make him a bishop is pretty disgusting, actually.
And it's totally out of line with the scripture.
I wonder if you had some Jewish conversos to Mormonism who pushed that one.
Or if it was just modernity that influenced the decision.
Well, actually, there was a major shift in church policy in 1979.
What they did is they basically edited out parts of the scripture and changed the church teachings.
At that point in time, they changed it so that people with colored skin could become full members of the church and even be given the priesthood.
Although I've never met anyone other than that, other than that one Asian guy that actually has held the priesthood that's not been white.
But they made lots of other similar changes with regards to attitudes towards LGBT stuff, lots of sexual things, things like that, all in 1979.
There was a big shift in the church, and it came from this guy who was a prophet at the time named Spencer Kimball.
And his family is not Jewish as far as I know.
They're one of the oldest families in the church.
But I feel as though there was definitely a lot of pressure, as with polygamy on the church from the U.S. government, sort of trying to push them.
And they've been pushing them for a while at that point.
I know there was a lot of talk within the church in the 50s and the 60s about that sort of thing.
But it was when Kimball was president that he finally decided to cuck on those issues.
But I think there was lots of fears about the church losing its tax-exempt status.
And, you know, there's been sort of a history of, especially with the fundamentalist Mormon folks of the U.S. government coming in with the FBI and causing lots of problems.
So I think they were really afraid that that might happen if they didn't cock and they ended up talking.
I recall in the 1980s hearing stories about like when feminism was emerging and there were stories about and there was there was this movement in Mormonism about these feminist voices coming forward and challenging certain tenets.
Do you recall that?
Yeah, we have a relief society, which is sort of it's what we call our women's group within the church.
And certainly as feminism took root in Western society more broadly during that time period, it occurred in the church as well.
But frankly, I don't think the relief society did so much damage.
I mean, the Mormons have been pretty good about navigating gender issues, actually.
I mean, you know, even to this day, it's pretty explicit that, you know, men are frankly superior to women.
You know, women cannot hold the priesthood, whether you're white or not.
So I don't think the relief society and feminism had that much of an impact on the church to the extent that outside forces probably did most of the damage.
William, are you, and I was going to say, are you and Yvonne minorities in the Mormon church in terms of your white racialist outlook or is every white Mormon like a crypto R guy or like on the sly?
But go ahead.
And anything else you wanted to add there?
I would have to believe that we are very much in the minority.
I've never, well, I wouldn't say never.
There are inklings here and there of discomfort with non-whites and that sort of thing.
Like people explicitly saying that I knew I had a woman a while back that she was at her house talking to my wife and I overheard her saying, you know, I knew there were going to be black.
Was it?
Sorry.
I thought I heard something.
She said, like, I knew there were going to be blacks in my kids' school, but I didn't think there'd be so many.
But that's kind of, you know, you hear that kind of thing in any group of white people.
I think we're very much in the minority.
I'm kind of, I guess you could almost say black pilled about it a little bit.
Almost, I don't know, something along those lines.
We're in the minority, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make me happy.
And I would even push back a little bit about what Yvonne said about feminism.
It actually is taking hold quite a bit because I was actually just a few weeks ago, I was looking back at past conferences of the church.
The church has a conference of twice a year where the top leaders speak.
And I noticed if you go back 20 years or 30 years, there were never women speakers.
There was one woman speaker every conference of the 30 or so talks.
There was one given by a woman, a very specific one about something about homemaking or food storage or something like that.
Nowadays, it's probably not evenly split, but it's pretty close.
It's probably a third or more women.
And I'm not going to go into too much detail here, but the things we do in the things we do in the temple, we do certain ceremonies in the temple.
I'm making it sound all dark and shady, but we do certain things in the temple, and they've been modified lately to be much more feminist than they used to be.
They used to be very explicitly anti-feminist, I would say, where they talked about men being the ruler of the women, and they've taken that out in the past two or three years.
I can't go into more detail with that.
You're not just performing male brisk, but also female prisons.
Now, that's very true.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, that's a good one.
Circumcision.
Circumcision.
I assume you guys are pro-Cirque based on the Bible.
Well, I guess the one with more children.
None of my boys are circumcised, but I am because I was raised just kind of a normie American.
So I was, but I didn't circumcise any of my boys.
It wasn't a religious thing, and it wasn't an anti-Jew thing either, because I was a libertarian, and it was a libertarian thing.
It was, you know, I have no right to make that decision for them, so I didn't.
And unfortunately, we'll take finally something we can get it.
Bodily autonomy for babies.
We can get behind that with the libertarians.
All right.
Yvonne, anything else on race or the corruption of the church before we go on?
So I got to ask about polygamy, of course.
No, I mean, I think it's pretty much covered my main pain points.
All right.
So polygamy, obviously one of the biggest historical and maybe current knocks or slanders on the church.
It was allowed and then it was not and certain sects broke off to preserve it.
But what's, I guess, what's the justification for polygamy in Mormonism?
Aside from the obvious smasher answer, lots of wives, lots of children.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's basically it.
They wanted to prosper.
It was, what did they call it?
It's biological imperialism is basically what they were trying to do.
Do you guys know any currently practicing polygamous Mormons?
There are quite a few in the south of Utah and the north of Arizona, but the feds go in there and fuck them up every, sorry for that.
Every three years.
And they do.
It's like a waco there every five years.
They get in there and clean them all out.
But other than that, the mainstream church has some polygamists in Salt Lake City.
They're kind of looked down upon, but I know of a few big name families that still practice.
The funny thing about polygamy is the ironic thing is that the Book of Mormon explicitly forbids it in most circumstances, whereas the Bible really doesn't.
The parts of the Bible almost, you know, almost encourage it.
Well, I wouldn't say that, but there are polygamists in the Bible, and there really aren't any in the Book of Mormon.
And the Book of Mormon says that it's generally a bad idea, but there are times when you need to build up your numbers and where the Lord will command polygamy.
So pretty much.
I agree with that.
I think it's a difficult dynamic.
You know, the children of the different wives a lot of times become very rivalrous.
And I think when times are very tough, sometimes that becomes necessary.
And I think if you read in the Old Testament where some of our patriarchs did that, I don't think they were having a wild time, you know, having a bunch of wives or anything like that.
I think it was necessary at certain times.
And, you know, and I think maybe in our own times, you think sometimes it almost might become necessary again because so many of the modern people, they make fun of marriage.
People talk about being married as being tied down or with a ball and chain and stuff like that.
And so it's not hard to think about like, well, those of us who can have more than one wife, support more than one wife, and who have the spiritual and emotional well-being to be able to take more than one wife, then why shouldn't we have more than one wife?
In an intellectual way, I think I could see how it could be necessary at certain times in history.
I'm not saying it's that time now necessarily, but in the worst times, maybe it is necessary.
Oh, yeah, after a big war, for sure.
Let's put aside the theological or the spiritual elements of Mormonism for now.
We can come back if we have to or if we have time.
But there are lots of manifest physical good things that come from Mormonism.
Big families, a commitment to prepping.
And frankly, Mormons have achieved a tremendous amount of wealth and influence and the whole idea of local colonization and consolidating power that should make any white nationalist who's not a Mormon, frankly, ashamed, because it's easy to poo-poo their crazy religion.
But look at what they've done with it when we're operating with blood and soil in a Jewish owned society and frankly have, you know, we've got big numbers lurking under the surface, but not anything near approaching the institutional stuff that Mormons have achieved.
So I guess let's talk.
The power and influence and wealth of the Mormon church is that's a product of a fierce in-group preference and tribalism.
You know, kick that one around a little bit if you.
Well, I'd say the wealth is a consequence of having an obscenely high tithe and being pretty good about enforcing it and also being smart with investing.
But one thing I will say about the Mormon church, as ridiculous as some of their antics can be today, and as much as they seem to be straying from the scriptures, they have historically and they continue to be one of the largest money machines behind fighting modern degeneracy.
I mean, they threw an insane amount of money into trying to fight gay marriage and fighting the Equal Rights Act.
And those are all fairly recent things.
So whatever people want to say about them cucking and as critical as I will be of them slipping, they're still by far, I think, one of the most powerful forces in the modern Western world.
You know, maybe behind the scenes, not a lot of publicity, but they're really putting a lot of money and effort into fighting those things.
Sure.
And how big is the tithe?
You said it was obscene.
How do they keep getting so much money from their adherents?
Well, they keep trying to get me to pay them 10% of my income, but I'm not going to do that.
William, you still paying the tithe?
Yeah, I do.
I pay my 10%, which is, it's a lot of money, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that that much more, Sam?
Is that that much more?
What do Catholic churches want?
2%?
I can't remember.
Well, no, no, 10% is certainly the recommended thing, but everybody has to determine like, oh, can you really do it?
And, you know, you come close to it or does it have to be exactly dollar for dollar or all those types of things.
No, I think that is a correct principle, giving the Lord 10% of your income.
Yeah.
But how do you calculate it?
Is it before taxes, after taxes, all that type of thing?
Some people have calculated like it's 10% on your increase.
I think that's what the Bible actually says, 10% on your increase.
So what was your increase from last year?
10% of that.
How about the 10% that is?
Oh, I was just going to say 10% is the recommended Catholic Church.
Some churches will break it down to like, you know, give the church 5% and give 5% to like the poor and needy and stuff like that.
But 10% is a pretty general requirement.
All I remember is seeing the Catholic church envelopes on like my mom's desk and my dad groaning about it.
It's like, come on, we have to still keep doing this, even after she had like issues with this priest or that priest.
But yeah, I guess 10%.
All right, let's talk.
Let's talk about that.
They used to send them every year.
We get a fat sack of envelopes.
Hey, that's how you do it.
Think about that, WN listeners, 10% to full house.
We'll take 1%.
If I might add, you know, they charge the 10% pre-tax, by the way, but people pay it and they do pay it.
And it's money well spent because the church does a lot for its members.
They offer a number of really high quality services, counseling, things like that.
Some of the branches have child care things set up for parents who are working.
They'll feed you.
They do a lot of charity.
The missionaries will help you move.
Basically anything you need, you can go there and ask.
And as someone who's traveled around the world, everywhere I went, I could step into the Mormon church and people would receive me, having never met me before, and willingly give me as much as I had asked them for, help me find an apartment, help me move, and even go above and beyond.
And the church organizes and puts the bill for a lot of that.
Amazing.
Jealous.
We're working on it.
I was just going to say that we can do similar.
I mean, not quite at the same level.
I mean, I was saying this the other day to somebody that, you know, I could hop on a plane and go literally anywhere in the world, except for probably Israel.
And somebody there is going to be sympathetic.
We're going to know somebody.
Even into the Asian countries, there's guys that listen to white nationalist shows and are worked into white nationalist networks in Asian countries.
So don't even rule out Asian countries.
Literally probably anywhere in the world but Israel.
Yeah, you can go anywhere and find somebody who'd help you.
Amen.
Those big, beautiful temples don't pay for themselves.
I did wander into the one in the northern suburbs of Washington, D.C. on a whim back in, I don't know, sometime in the 2000s.
And just out of curiosity, it was so big and beautiful.
It always looked like the castle from the Neverending Story just there off of the beltway.
So a couple of buddies and I just wandered in there and we were met by a woman who gave us literature and we were ignorant and uninterested in the faith.
We just wanted to see the building.
But you build cool stuff and you get curious onlookers coming around.
All right, let's talk the prepping imperative, extraordinarily impressive operations that the Mormons have.
I don't know if it's scripturally, scripturally mandated by scripture to be prepared for the end of days and if that's the idea or if it's just good practice.
But talk a little bit about that if you could.
The canning, the crops and all that.
Well, this is scriptural.
It's literally in the name.
You know, the church's full name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
And the scripture says that we're living in the end times and we must be prepared for judgment.
And, you know, we said we didn't want to get too deep into the theology or the esoteric stuff, but the end of times is not just Jesus coming down and on making the world.
You know, there's going to be a decay of society and judgment, and then people are still going to walk the earth after that.
So that's what they're preparing for.
All right.
William, anything else on that?
I hope you have lots of canned goods wherever you are.
Yeah, we have a good store of preparations.
I'm not too clear on the exact origin of why we prepare so much, but I'm glad we do.
Something I would do if I were just a regular old white nationalist.
It's definitely a good idea.
We, you know, taking the long view, every civilization ends at some point.
And there are lots of signs just putting religion aside, there are lots of signs that we're kind of on the back.
You know, we're getting close to some kind of big happening.
So even aside from religion, like I said, I would do it, or I would hope I would do it.
But I'm glad that I have a religious reason.
So, you know.
Worth it.
Yeah.
Worth it regardless of what happens.
Last spring after we did our gardening show, a friend of the show sent me a gardening book and then he sent me some fertilizer.
Smasher's ears perk up.
Oh, coach got fertilizer in the mail.
No, it was plant fertilizer.
And I looked at the package and son of a gun.
It was like a Mormon mix.
You know, they developed their own special blend of fertilizer.
And, you know, I sprinkled it on my crops, on my trees, and on my plants, and none of them died from it.
So bless you guys for that.
Mormon mix.
I forgot to mention Rolo's here, silent partner in the chat because he has the worst internet lag this week of any man.
Australian, British, all of our international calls from Moscow.
No one had worse internet lag than Mormons, than Rolo there.
So he's sort of silent behind the scenes.
All right.
Let's see.
Child rearing in Mormonism.
I'll again like innocently say, oh, there must be something creepy about Mormon families or weird rights or anything like that.
What's raising children in Mormonism look like in practice?
Well, you know, I don't have a lot of experience in that area since my only child is three months old.
But, you know, I will say, you know, when I was young, church was sort of a magical place.
I think it had a lot to do with me developing my sort of in-group preferences, racialist views, because I had a community that I was part of and they all looked sort of the same way and they treated me very well.
Outside of the church, I noticed that people treated me in a really different way.
Within the church, people sort of learn to give each other the benefit of the doubt, really to love your neighbor.
And you always feel like you have a place to go, a community.
I think a lot of the importance of bringing your children up in the church is that part.
And in the diverse world that we live in, especially for white children as whites are becoming the minorities in a lot of our own countries, I think, you know, the world can be really alienating.
And people are alienated from their white peers nowadays based on lots of really ridiculous Jewish constructs like all the sorts of retarded ideas that people have.
The church gives them a home, gives them a community, makes them feel secure in who they are.
To me, that's why I want to make sure that my family remains active in the church, even if we no longer agree with all of the ways that the leadership is taking it, just because that core community part is so important for children.
Sounds good.
William, anything different about Mormon child rearing or home life family stuff than your typical Christian?
No, I've never thought about it really, but really in those terms.
I'm having trouble coming up with any way we really raise our children differently other than, yeah, the social aspects are really golden.
The fact that we have this social group, it's kind of a security that you always have kind of people to, you know, have a good time with.
There's activities for the kids to go to all the time, every week or so.
But I mean, we avoid degeneracy more than most typical, you know, white people.
We don't let our children watch.
We're not supposed to let our kids watch R-rated movies, for example.
And we're supposed to be, you know, kind of discerning even beyond just that, just discerning in what we watch.
So it's a little purer than just a secular child raising, but there aren't really that many differences that I can think of.
All right.
Rolo says you can't even let your kids watch Predator.
What a jerk.
Yeah.
No, no Predator, Rolo.
He's champing at the bid.
But yeah, you guys, I mean, think about it.
You guys were ahead of the curve on societal degeneration.
Yeah.
Clean living, keep your kids healthy and preserve their innocence.
All right, I got a tough one for you.
I want to let Sam and Smasher jump in if they got anything else.
Have any Mormons been excommunicated by the church for getting dox?
Now, that sounds like a weird question or specific, but let's say, you know, God forbid that somebody finds out that, oh, this guy is explicitly pro-white, isn't a big fan of Jews.
He has an edgy Twitter account and doesn't think that Hitler was the worst man in the world.
Do you think the church would be accepting of you, make you seek penance, or just boot you out?
You know, this is kind of a funny one for me because my grandfather was actually excommunicated from the church, but not for any of that stuff.
It was actually because he refused to take a second wife.
Wow.
Yeah, one was enough for him.
But, you know, what William had said earlier about us being a minority in the church, you know, I don't know.
In my experience, I think a lot of people maybe sort of agree with the white nationalists.
I mean, if you're a Mormon, the scripture is like explicit about it.
If you say that you accept that the scripture is the word of God, then you have white nationalist views because they are in the scripture explicitly.
So maybe they're on the down low about it, but you know, or maybe they even, some of them disavow it, but I think a lot of them might have sympathies.
And I know of a lot of people in the church who call themselves Desnats or Deseret nationalists.
And they are pretty explicit about the white nationalist views.
And the churches that I visited in Europe were also a lot more explicit about it than the ones here in the US.
But I can't imagine anyone would be excommunicated for that.
And regarding Hitler, I'm not sure the church has any real stance on Hitler other than he's generally bad.
I don't think they have as much of a mainstream view of him as much as it just didn't really affect them so much.
Communism, actually, a lot of them don't like the communists because the communists kicked the Mormons out of the countries that they took over, especially in the Soviet Union.
But Hitler, as far as I know, they don't care particularly much about him.
If we could get Hitler up in gold on a few of those temples next to Moroney, sign me up, gents.
Just kidding.
All right.
My last question here before we go to the break is: I assume that you guys did missionary work.
You don't have to tell us where, but generally, what part of the world was it?
And that's got to be thankless duty going door to door on bicycles and white shirts trying to round up new recruits.
Well, actually, it was in a particular Eastern European country, which is not very difficult to figure out because they happen to be the most atheist country in the world.
So there wasn't much missionary work there, just service projects for the members of the church.
No one was interested.
All right, William.
Yeah, I went on a mission.
I'm trying to think of how specific I want to be.
I went on a foreign mission.
We'll just say that much.
In a country with essentially white people, basically.
So I guess that's about as specific as I should be.
But same thing.
Did you, I mean, did you win any recruits?
Yeah, I baptized a few, maybe 20 or 30.
It was a pretty good experience.
Yvonne was just hoeing potatoes, and you were out there adding to the flock.
All right.
Sam, go ahead, baby.
So you guys are with me on this.
The Aryans are the real Israelites, right?
I am, yeah.
I mean, I don't really have a stance on the Israelites so much.
It's not that important to me personally, but the Aryans are the true, whatever you want to make them.
I guess you'd have to be more specific, Sam.
Okay, so Christ was an Aryan.
All the patriarchs are Aryans.
I would think we could agree at least on that.
You know, the Christian identity stance would go be, you know, further than that, even that non-whites are not created by God, but are the offspring of fallen angels.
Yeah, what was I going to say?
Oh, yes, Jesus was a white man.
That is very, very clear in the Book of Mormon.
It's very explicit that Jesus's mother was.
It calls her, I'm paraphrasing, but it says that Jesus's mother was the whitest woman that the person describing her had ever seen.
So, yes, Jesus was explicitly.
As for the spiritual status of other races, that's it'd be going a bit far to say that they're not created of God.
I'm familiar with the details of Christian identity.
We're not quite, I'm personally not quite that hardcore.
Negroes, pure-blooded, unmixed Negroes, I have my doubts about whether they are people.
I think it's pretty clear that there's no way they could have descended from Adam.
There's no way to work that out.
100%.
So I'm not clear on their status spiritually, but if they have white admixture, I don't know.
I think they have some opportunity for salvation, but it's difficult, very difficult.
If you're 5% white, I think it would be difficult for such a being to live the kind of life that would merit salvation.
But I'm definitely, I guess, religiously speaking, I'm less hardcore than full-blown Christian identity.
But that's I confer with William, but I'd add that in the scripture, these sorts of the cases regarding colored people and creation are they're actually described, but to get into it would be kind of difficult because the Mormon creation stories and the origin of the soul and things like that is vastly different from the mainstream Christian version of those stories.
So that'd be a whole nother rabbit hole, but I think he generally covered basically the implications of that.
Sure.
The most prominent or famous Mormons I can think of are Harry Reid, S to spit, Mitt Romney, another S, Mike Lee, senator from Utah, I believe, is Mormon.
And then, of course, the Marriott family.
Who am I missing and why?
Unfortunately, those are not particularly auspicious Mormons to look to.
Any other famous Mormons?
I guess I'll jump in.
Yeah, well, you know, the Book of Mormon says that people who once had the truth and then fall away from it are generally way worse off, way more wicked than people who just never knew it, never had it.
So I'd kind of chalk it up to that.
You know, if you believe that Mormonism is the truth, you'd have to kind of assume that the devil would be attacking it hardest.
I guess that's a bit of a cope.
But as far as other famous Mormons, let's see, I think Jewel, there's a lot of famous ex-Mormons, like Jewel, you know, the singer from the 90s, I suppose.
Smasher can sing that song.
There's a few now, but yeah.
Yeah, there's a few actors.
He's not biting.
All right.
We're getting a little bit of lag here.
And I think we did a pretty damn good, thorough job of covering just the bases, just the basics on Mormonism here in the first hour.
Smasher, any, come on, roast them.
Give him a hard one before we go to the break.
why don't you have more than one wife you sanctioned by the church You could be doing it.
Get on it.
Save the white race.
I mean, I'll just say that these guys are obviously intelligent.
They are down to earth, and their explanations to me sound rational, well-grounded, and not at all like the stereotypical, whether it's Hollywood or other Christian religion knocks on Mormonism.
And I have known a couple Mormons and I had the human reaction, oh, you're a Mormon.
It's like an instinctual programmed response to not like Mormons or think that they're creepy or weird.
And that's what I had a fan of Mormon family.
Yeah, go ahead.
I had a Mormon in my unit in Germany that was really cool.
You know, we got along really well.
He wasn't weird.
He was, you know, he basically like I didn't think any of the weird stuff about Mormons coming into this episode.
So it was kind of hard for me.
I was trying to think of like when you first said like, oh, what do you guys think about having a couple of Mormons on?
I was like, yeah, fine, cool.
And, but I couldn't really think of like much because my brain has already been like deprogrammed of the Like retarded anti-Mormon stuff that is out there in Normandom.
All right.
And William does run a small boutique Telegram channel.
I believe it's called White Mormon to put that faith in perspective with our racial outlooks on the world.
So we'll put that in the show notes with his permission.
But last call here in the first hour, Yvonne William, anything else you want to add for the audience before we go to the break?
Hearing none.
All right.
I think there's a lag for Yvonne.
And we greatly appreciate your time, gents.
You did a fine job representing your faiths.
We wish you and your families nothing but health, success, and common struggle with those of us who also get it and aren't don't happen to be Mormon.
For the break this week, I finally got my hands on Lord Wolfshield's Fedora Favorites from 2021 and perhaps 2022 as well.
This is from the White Art Collective, who I at first suspected, I guess I'm just a jerk.
I think everything's going to suck before I actually look under the hood.
Sent me two CDs and a thumb drive full of music.
And I was like, holy cow, like dozens of these are playable on Full House.
So my sincere apologies to the White Art Collective.
We see you guys smiling out there.
What?
Oh, I was going to say, I have his CD from last year from Oktoberfest.
And the White Art Collective sends me a thumb drive with stuff on it.
Like, I don't know, every couple of months I get something.
I can't believe you're just not.
You suck.
Well, no, you run the show.
No, he, I know, like, no, we must play commercial music that everyone will like it is that inane.
But uh, no, he gave me a CD at Oktoberfest, but I couldn't get it to play.
I only have a CD player in my car.
My laptop doesn't even have a CD player anymore.
Uh, and all my old CD players are like in the garbage or like rusting and dust covered in the sheds.
How do you listen to all the skinhead CDs?
I don't have any skinhead CDs.
Yes, I am like right away.
I just got a new CD from the skinheads, and I won't say anything else about it because it hasn't been officially announced yet.
But very cool.
Keep your eyes peeled.
I'll be posting about it as soon as it's as soon as I'm allowed.
Just send me thumb drives full of skinhead music with Israel's Pegasus software on there and I'll boot it right into my all right.
Thank you, Yvonne.
Thank you, William.
You're welcome to hang for the second hour.
If you want to run, that's great.
We love you.
And especially congratulations to Yvonne is our only new white life.
She's three months old now.
So not brand spanking new, but we'll count it for this week.
And we're going to go out to This Is the Curtain by Olivia Key, the first track on Fedora Favorites 2021.
We will be right back.
Don't go anywhere.
You made it this far.
Tell me how you got those scars.
I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
Lay cards from picket fences.
Bodies blown to crimson messes.
And I sworn to forge the message.
I get so tired of the old church.
Unaware they left their innocence.
Can anybody out of them?
I've been awake long enough to see the bridge fall down long before the lockdown.
Couldn't recognize my hometown.
Now the rhythms are in fact.
It's our backs because we all fall down.
I'll know what the stage and the age of the clown.
But they are dancing to the blood coming in.
I get so tired when does it end?
I can't breathe in reality.
Reminding me the war is really happening.
We'll be right back.
You were supposed to get it for.
But now you're here.
And you know the worst is yet to come and all lies there in the lesson.
Gleaming towers pierce the heavens.
I can't.
There's nothing to fear.
The places you once lost have all disappeared.
And now you've got to know you can break red bounds and swear to save it.
Fall it back and watch your cave in a bit.
Welcome back to Full House episode 119, part two, second hour.
And we are honored and delighted that both William and Yvonne said, eh, we'll stick around for the second half.
I think the temptation of Russia-Ukraine talk was too much to resist for them.
But again, big thanks to them for making the time and sharing their perspective on Mormonism.
If you'd like to learn more, I don't know, check out the White Mormon Telegram channel for ongoing commentary.
And I'm pretty sure you could find a Mormon temple or Mormon person to reach out if you're interested.
But I'll stop there.
I don't want the audience to think I'm proselytizing too hard for a faith I'm not a subscriber to.
Let's see.
We already didn't.
We had no other new white lives this week other than mercifully Yvonne's brand new baby girl.
And I did have a question from the audience.
Long story short, let me pull it up here.
I believe it was Frank who wrote in, but he reconnected.
Frank reconnected with a friend after a long time and just found out that this friend's wife had her third miscarriage just after Christmas.
They already have a family of boys, but I guess they've been going for more and striking out.
And Frank asked, is it appropriate to send them something sort of to help them with their grief after a miscarriage?
Good question.
He also maybe implied that we would not be the best ones to ask about this.
He said, you can kick this over to dissident housewives if you want.
So I don't know, Sam, what do you think?
What would you send somebody grieving after a miscarriage?
Yeah, I don't know what you would send, but I think it's appropriate to acknowledge somebody's grief and something like that.
You know, I think anytime there's a death in the family, somebody brings over like a meal so that the missus doesn't have to cook type of a thing.
Good one.
Flowers can't go wrong, right?
A little cliche.
There you go.
Yep.
Or a live plant.
A live plant would be better than something that's going to die and wither in your kitchen after a few weeks.
Either way.
Either way.
They have kids you could offer to wash their kids for a night where they go on like a nice revitalizing date night or something like that.
Yeah.
Very good.
I agree.
Very good.
All right.
The Mormons, they've got no content to add here.
Inconsiderate.
Only support for Mormon.
Well, I got to be a jerk a little bit on this show.
In our church, we don't have any miscarriages.
That's right.
Wow.
All right.
And then we got an email.
I believe it was from George.
I'm terrible with my prep here.
I had all the notes here, but I didn't print them out before the show.
So I'm going back to the email.
Let's see.
Well, it doesn't matter.
Gentleman wrote in and said, hey, guys, I am, you know, busy wife hunting.
I don't need any game help.
I'm good looking.
I'm handsome.
But aside from the obvious, you know, the terrible dating market out there, the state of women today, he is particularly concerned about how many prospects are vaccinated.
I guess all the ladies are virtue signaling their vax status.
And he's wondering if he's being unreasonable or overly concerned about future breeding opportunities with these women and Jewish big pharma molecules circulating throughout their bodies.
I don't know.
Kick it over.
It's gay.
It's gay, but you're probably worrying about something that doesn't matter that much.
Yeah, that vaccine is pretty ineffective.
And to me, that would sort of imply that like it's probably not going to stick around in the body for very long.
Otherwise, it would last more than like three months.
So like it barely does anything.
And what it does do, it still only like manages to do it for a shorter and shorter amount of time every time.
So the body's processing it and like getting rid of it would be my assumption.
And it's hard always to tell the like scare studies or quote unquote studies, right?
I mean, there were, I think, legitimate, you know, tests.
Women, you know, women's menstrual cycles were getting messed up from it.
Obviously, the heart inflammation, et cetera.
But yeah, my inclination is to say that there's so many, you know, deal breakers out there for your future wife that I wouldn't necessarily put her vax status on top of that pile, right?
Right.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Mormon guess.
Are Mormons pro-vax anti-vax neutral?
Oh, go ahead, Sam.
Well, I was going to say you could always ask them if they're going to get their booster.
The commitment to getting vaxed in perpetuity.
William, I heard you there buddy, oh man, the vax question is, uh is actually interesting.
Um, as to the, the question about you know, a vexed woman, I i'm a little on the paranoid side, but I think I would give it a try.
I don't know.
Uh, I think all the scare about the vaccine is probably mostly baseless as far as fertility, that sort of thing um, but yeah, you also asked about Mormons.
Uh sure, we've actually the prophet, the leader of the church, actually did say uh, everybody should go ahead and get vaccinated.
Not too long ago and this is actually a point of contention, more than all the other kind of bad changes that have been made the vaccine question has actually opened up a bit of a rift in the church.
Surprisingly, it's kind of annoying.
Um, it's kind of the old.
That's the thing, right.
Yeah yeah, people get worked up over the vax, but not being racially replaced.
Yeah, exactly it's, but still it is kind of a it's a lot of conservatives are kind of now looking at the leadership as like potentially um, compromised.
So just something to be aware of if you're ever talking to a Mormon who might be, you know someone, a prospect for conversion to white nationalism, I guess.
Uh yeah, the the vaccine thing has kind of ruffled some feathers.
So yep, and it's the same story.
I mean like, opposition to this stuff is legitimate.
It's not something to sneer or laugh at, it's just that yes, it makes us want to bang our heads on the wall that this, of all things, is the thing that really gets the Irish up and people all over the world, as opposed to far worse and more immediately menacing uh developments.
Um, on that point it's also like, go ahead, Jews.
Jews worked very hard to steal millions and millions of vials of the vaccine from other countries.
So, like you know, the Jews obviously, generally speaking, think that the vaccine is legitimate uh, which would kind of tell me that it's probably not uh, some evil super thing.
It's like it's an untested experimental thing, but it's not malicious in and of itself.
The rollout and you know a bunch of the other stuff.
Obviously uh, they're going to be malicious with everything that they can be, but you know, this thing being some like Mark of the beast, crazy stuff is just regular old conspiracy stuff gone too far.
I think at this point tend tend to agree, yeah, people latching on to it.
Hey smasher, while I have you, do you know what country's capital is growing the fastest?
I'll give you a hint, it's uh, the beautiful island of your heritage.
Or do you know why Ireland's capital is growing the fastest?
Because they're importing a bunch of brown people.
Because every day it's.
Because every day it's Dublin.
I said I was going to go to the dad joke book.
And as you were talking, I was just like, let me see if I can get him with one here.
Oh, one about Ireland.
All right.
To everybody in Dublin for the dad joke.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
All we see, all we see is race and black pills.
Well, it's hard not to.
Before I forget, Handsome Truth reached out and he said, hey, coach, you got to do me a favor and spread the word about the good work that they are doing.
The bad boys of Goyam TV are ruffling feathers across the country with just simple factual flyers pointing out Jewish involvement, both at the upper echelons of the United States government and when it comes to vaccine stuff.
I don't think they're breaking any laws, but they sure are pissing off people.
CNN did a whole feature on it and they didn't name them.
It's like literally on the flyer and it's like, they have let's go Brandon right at the very top to like catch the eye of the middle of the road manga person.
And then it's all like, you know, all these people are Jewish and all these vaccine company CEOs are Jewish.
It really makes you think.
They made the ADL defend Nick Fuentes.
It's just hilarious.
I missed that one.
What the hell happened with the ADL and Fuentes?
I'm pretty sure it was the GDL guys were putting up some posters.
And I don't remember exactly what they said, but the ADL basically had to step in and be like, no, Nick Fuentes isn't doing this.
It's actually these people.
Like it was some, you know, anti-Semitic poster or whatever.
And it said like America first or, you know, the poster was done up to look like it was America first or something, but it was not.
Yep.
But they stepped in and like, do you think, do you think they would do that for like the NJP?
Do you think the ADL would be like, the NJP didn't put up these anti-Semitic posters.
Actually, it was these people.
Like, no, of course not.
Yep.
So they're still out there hustling and working despite everybody, you know, clutching their pearls and stuff.
So God bless those guys.
Absolutely.
Yep.
I went to my first ever MMA fight this weekend.
It was not like a big Las Vegas thing.
I, you know, across my mind's meter, I was like, I felt very inadequate to realize that like, even if I stepped in there, there was, there was like an older fight, like a 40, like a 40-year-old fight.
And I was like, man, those guys look really old.
And I'm like, do I look that old?
But I went because, well, buddy was going and he was like, come on, coach, come, check it out.
And I had poo-pooed along with William, I believe, is also MMA skeptical, just being grossed out by the spectacle of blood sports.
It reminded me of gladiators, bread and circuses, all that.
And I think part of that was only seeing it previously on pay-per-view at a normie party where it was particularly, I guess MMA was gorier or perhaps bloodier back in the day.
And they've cleaned it up a little bit in terms of back in the day.
It was like you'd have dudes stomping on each other's faces and stuff.
Right.
And I think that might have been part of my negative impression of it.
So I went to check it out.
Obviously, this was a little bit Little Leagues.
They had a couple of professional fights and then amateurs from gyms all across the mid-Atlantic, I guess.
Total respect for the fighters, total disgust at the makeup of the audience.
Not that they were on bad behavior, but it was just after living in the country for so long and then getting into a medium-sized city and just seeing this absolute tower of babble, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whites, Turks, and of course, assorted mystery meat.
just looked around and I was like, how does anyone expect this gaggle of people to have any sort of coherence or common ground?
It's just a ludicrous assertion.
But anyway, I'm not going to like join the MMA circuit.
I don't know if you guys have strong opinions on this and whether it's degenerate to like spend money to go see them or even worse, watch it on TV.
You know, I think there's something good about it for sure.
I think it is a little seedy.
Like you say, I've known some people who are very devoted to it.
And I think maybe that's giving it a little more than what it deserves.
So yeah, you know, there's something good about facing off like that.
I mean, I'm ready to fight anybody right now.
Fighting is cool.
You should be, it is one of the few things that you can enjoy.
You should be allowed to enjoy it.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just, I just respect the fighters so much more than the spectators, I guess.
I'm sure some of them are just like true aficionados and respecters of the sport and others are like gawkers and just there to see some blood sports.
And a lot of those guys did have cauliflower ear.
And the very last fight is this like showboating Turk who came out with an American flag and a Turkish flag.
And he got gashed.
He was just gushing blood.
They had to stop the fight and then he ended up winning.
But he was going up against the homegrown black who seemed like quiet and reserved and just trying to do the fight.
I actually found myself rooting for the for the homegrown black instead of this showboating Turk who, by all accounts, looked pretty white.
I don't know.
It was an interesting thing.
I'm probably not going to go back, but I won't be quite so MMA critical going forward.
Let's see.
Russia, Ukraine.
Let's do it.
It's possibly the eve of war.
Possibly not.
Before I do that, I did talk about this at length on the Hammer Stream.
If you want to go back and check that out.
And then again, on Ascending the Spectrum with Jack and Magnus and Nate, this past weekend, we went through it in total, but our audience deserves it.
They shouldn't have to go somewhere else for it.
I'll be really quick here.
We'll let you guys say what you think.
My primary points are that one, yes, I do think it's happened.
And of course, we did the show with Charles Bausman too.
I think it's happening for a number of reasons.
Ukraine is existential for Russia.
This is not some like pawn.
They're not trying to distract the West from anything else.
You don't move that many troops there for no reason.
I think that the ultimatum essentially that Putin issued made it virtually impossible for the West to give concessions unless they are secret.
And just as we were going to tape, I guess there's going to be a last minute summit between Putin and Biden and maybe Macron to try to iron this out.
There were plenty of summits before World War II.
It doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
Maybe they'll forestall it.
And also to the point of our viewing things as Russia, either good or bad, Russia either based or totally Jew-owned.
I don't think it's that simple.
I think net Russia is ascendant and Putin is doing a better job for the citizens of his country, Russian and non-Russian alike, than virtually any Russian leader.
And it's really hard not to be at least sympathetic, if not sort of tacitly supportive of their position, which is that NATO and the West has been encroaching, pushing, abusing.
They want Russia to be broken apart, if not just completely dependent on Zog completely.
Maybe they're a different stripe of it.
I don't know.
But I think it's happening.
I think that they do have a legitimate cause to secure their border and a very vital underbelly for them.
And we would have the same reaction if countries were threatening to put troops and missiles right on our border.
I'll leave it at that.
We can kick this around for as long as you guys want.
I don't know if you have any like super deviating points from that, but open forum, open discussion.
I'm a little bit more, I guess, cynical on Russia.
I think Russia's pretty Jewed.
Their population is much better.
And I do think, like, Putin is very much obviously a Russian chauvinist.
So he does do a better job objectively of taking care of the Russian people.
But there's still a bunch of Jews involved with the government.
There's still a bunch of like oligarchs and stuff.
That's one of the things people are like, oh, well, Putin kicked out oligarchs.
It's like he kicked out oligarchs that he didn't like and then like just left the ones that agreed with him and would let him do stuff.
Yeah, you could say the ones who would play ball with him as opposed to, yeah, continuing Khodakovsky and the other ones who fled.
Yeah.
That's like the point of nuance and seeing things in black and white, especially when it comes to these really big civilizational national questions.
It's like, well, okay, you don't, he doesn't have to be the second coming of Hitler to have some at least respect for him.
Well, that's exactly it.
It's things are so bad in the West that when you look at Putin and Russia, just in general, they compare well against what we have.
So maybe there's something in you that wants to be sympathetic to that.
And exactly as you described the dynamic there, they certainly have a just cause and it's easy to kind of go along with it.
But I agree with like what Smasher says, their government is Jewed and we should not look to them as being something perfectly good and what we have is being totally evil.
I think that's all true.
Yeah, human nature to want to find a savior when you're in a tough spot.
Right.
And, you know, frankly, you know, I saw it with my own eyes.
The country turned around drastically in just five years, and that was back in 2006.
It was unquestionable.
There's certain developments there that if it's Jewed, then this is a very strange phenomenon of like Jewish infiltration of a country to see Christianity flourishing and people getting healthier and less alcoholic and wealthier too.
That's not to say.
Okay.
They're helping their hosts now that instead of destroying them.
Well, yeah.
I mean, we know that there's different camps of Jews and that they take on different strategies, right?
We know that Jews financed both sides of the civil war, financed, you know, both sides or every side of, you know, many wars throughout history.
We know that, you know, the whole capitalism versus communism thing was an A-B test to see what people are more willing to accept.
So there's no reason to think that like Jews would just be completely parasitical to their hosts indefinitely or that there couldn't be a period of time where they weren't necessarily parasitical.
Their long-term plan, I would assume, is going to end up being parasitical.
You could argue, you know, Jews have been in power in the United States for a long time and things weren't always things weren't always going.
Right.
Things weren't always going downhill in the United States while Jews had power effectively.
There's no reason to think that, like in another 15 years uh, Jews aren't going to be like okay, we've like made this a profitable enough country and extracted everything that we need and now it's time to like flip that switch again.
And now everybody's uh shoving crocodile in their butthole and yeah, you know, having sex with niggers or whatever.
You know you can see what you want to see and project there.
Yeah Yvon, definitely I think you have a little bit of experience with that part, with that part of the world.
Uh, but you know, there's there's the what's happening right now.
Are they going to invade or are they not going to invade?
Well, we all have a 50 chance of getting that right.
Frankly, it looks like it.
And then there's there's the bigger picture of why and what it means for us, for Ukraine and for Russia too.
Well, you know, i've i've got kind of two points i've got to make about that uh and uh.
The first one is with regards to the Jq in Russia.
Uh, I I want to to make sort of an analogy here between Russia and China, and i'm not sure exactly what uh, your sort of uh views on China are, but my sort of impression with China is that uh, the Jews basically don't really know how to approach China, because China as a society, as a people, is something completely different than anything they've ever had to deal with, and one of the the things uh, about China is uh,
a lot of the the Jewish tricks that we know so well don't really work on Chinamen, because they have such a different philosophical, religious and even moral, uh sort of understanding of the world that they're in a completely different paradigm, and I think Russia is a similar thing.
Um, you know, like the Chinese know about the Jews and they know that Jews run the world.
Uh, there's been a bunch of videos and and things um, meetings and whatever, where the Chinese are like okay well, we want America to do this thing, so like, let's call, literally describe her as like the big-nosed lady right, and I can't remember exactly who they were talking about in a in the moment, but they were just like.
They're just like yeah, let's go talk to the Jewish lady.
You know it was so.
They know in Dc yeah, some way to get something done and what I mean.
But they also they, they they don't view Jews as like a bad thing, like Chiny.
The Chinese actually like Jews, probably because they're not destroying their country uh, at least yet um, so they view them as wealthy and powerful, and that's what.
That's one of the things that the Chinese, you know, aspire to.
Sure, the the?
The point that I mean with regards to the Chinese is a lot of the Jewish power in societies, we know, stems from the whole sort of holocaust thing, the idea that racism is uh fundamentally uh, you know, the root of all evil, so to speak.
But this is something that uh, it it's uh, directly tied in with the history of of the West, in terms of western Europe, the United States, in that it, it basically capitalizes on the weakness of these sort of enlightenment values uh, that we have in the West.
Uh, you know, even before Jewish influence became really prevalent in the West, there's this idea of individualism and judging people based on their merit, And that sort of thing has been corrupted and used against us by Jews.
But the Russians and to a greater extent the Chinese have such a fundamentally different moral substrate to their society that those sorts of things don't work on them.
For example, the Chinese don't give a shit if you call them racism or if you say they're discriminating against people.
I mean, the Han Chinese have literally genocided countless other races in that land.
They eat fetuses and stuff.
You're not going to win them over with any arguments about individualism or treating people equally or those sorts of things.
And Russia definitely is closer to us.
But I think that's sort of the reason why you see this muted Jewish influence in their society is the Jews are just so practiced at getting Western Europeans to play along.
They don't know what to do in these other sorts of societies.
Well, I think they've got a pretty good idea.
And their idea is mostly through like economic tyranny and things like that.
The Jews had power in a lot of places multiple different times throughout history before the Holocaust.
So they don't need the Holocaust in order to, you know, dig in their claws.
The Chinese were involved with setting up the Chinese Communist Party.
Did I say the Chinese?
The Jews were involved with setting up the Chinese Communist Party.
All of the quote-unquote white people that got Chinese citizenship in the 1900s, every single one of them was Jewish.
It was like 18 or 20 of them, not very many.
Every single one was a Jew.
So, you know, the idea that, you know, they're not working on how to influence these people.
And I'm not saying that you were saying that, but some people would argue that China is based in good and all these things and they don't have a Jewish problem.
Like, no, the Jews are sinking their claws into China actively, and they have been for a long time.
Yeah.
And it's incomprehensible to me that Putin, who literally came into power after there was a Jewish mafia-style bust out of Russia during the 90s, that he essentially put a stop to, right?
He said, you're going to play ball or you're going to be arrested.
And some of them got arrested.
Some of them fled.
Some of them stayed behind to play ball.
It's incomprehensible that he's unaware of the JQ, both from his KGB days as well as his experience in the 90s and seeing Russia brought to basically the edge of perdition and to see what he's done to reinforce nationalism to a certain extent and basically to turn national power around.
Like it doesn't arrest Nazi projects.
Well, sure, because Russians don't like Nazis, right?
I mean, nobody said Putin's a national socialist or that he's a white nationalist.
He's a Russian nationalist or a Russian right.
He's a Russian chauvinist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He doesn't care about you.
And that's that's like, you know, I think Putin is allowed to be a Russian chauvinist.
He's allowed to be a good leader for the Russian people.
But like people have this, you know, our guys have the savior complex.
It's like, no, you need to drop that.
Like Putin doesn't care about you.
He doesn't.
He's not going to save you.
That's Russia.
Yeah.
Right, right.
The only reason he would ever support any type of American white nationalist movement, you know, whatever, however the future of America plays out, the only reason he would ever help any of you out, any of us out, is because it would benefit Russia in some way, shape, or form.
That's the only reason.
He doesn't care about you.
He just doesn't.
So stop thinking that.
Putin BFF dreams dashed.
Right.
Well, it's like this thing.
This thing came out where some Russian government agent was talking about, well, you know, white nationalists in the United States are being persecuted and you can move to Siberia and you can develop Siberia and escape the persecutions that you face in the United States.
It was some Jew basically saying like, yeah, come on, Nazi, come live on this, you know, Indian reservation in Siberia where you're not going to be a problem for anybody.
And if Putin decides to just like napalm the village, nobody's going to say anything about it.
It won't even make the news.
But people were like, oh, yeah, we should go to Russia.
Like, no, dude, I'm not going to accept some Jew's invitation to go live in a concentration camp in Siberia.
Go ahead, Evan.
And then also add the other European perspectives on Russia, too.
I know from your accent, you've got that opinion and then anything from your travels.
Well, that's what I was going to mention regarding the Russia-Ukraine thing.
My Slavic friends will really hate me for this.
But personally, I think that Russia's invasion of Ukraine, if they do invade Ukraine, I think it would be objectively a good thing.
I really think that pan-Slavism and similar sorts of movements are a good thing.
I would point to a country like Czechoslovakia, and my Czech wife again will kill me for this, but the Czechs and the Slovaks are ethnically very similar, linguistically, you know, very similar.
And I really see a sort of divide and conquer thing going on there.
And, you know, it's not even like either of these countries are ethnically homogenous, you know, in places.
In both places, you've got the Silesians, you've got the Poles, you've got the Moravians, the Bohemians.
And the lines that are drawn there are just really arbitrary.
What they are is, you know, you go back a thousand years or so and they all have the same common ancestors.
Their languages are all offshoots of the same thing.
And I think that geopolitically, they'd be better off if they stopped being these little small militarily irrelevant countries and became sort of a superstate that could look after one another's best interests.
But further, having lived in a lot of those satellite countries, I can say firsthand that I saw that a lot of these countries were worse off after the USSR fell, you know, unrelated to communism.
But in a lot of these countries, you know, the Russians came in, they built these apartment buildings, they built these freeways.
Now, when there's some problem with the freeways, you know, the Slovaks, they just build a small little road to go around the break in the freeway.
They aren't able to repair it on their own.
And it's just ridiculous when you think about how much wealthier and better off the people were when they were actually part of the USSR.
I spent a bunch of time in Eastern Europe, and yeah, that's absolutely true.
Like, oh, this bridge has collapsed.
Well, now we're just going to have this like one-lane road down the hill and up the other side.
And then you can get back on the highway over there.
And look at it from Putin and Russia's perspective.
You are either going to have a hostile NATO supported or formally NATO included Ukraine right in your soft underbelly, or because that's obviously the project.
It's been the project forever.
There's corruption and there's divisions and it's a sticky thing to get it done.
But especially after all this, like every Ukrainian president is going to be like, please, please, you know, we came so close here.
So he's either he's going to have to back away from this and allow that process or, you know, witness that process to continue, or he's going to shore up a southern flank, make a lot of Russian ethnic people in Ukraine happy, a lot of Ukrainian nationalists unhappy.
But it seems like an A-B option for him with one being the no-brainer.
Yeah, those small countries in the bloodlands of Eastern Europe are going to be, whether they like it or not, largely subject to the whims of the West or of Russia.
And looking at things from their perspective, do you want globo homo LGBTQ mass Muslim African invasion or do you want something that at least on the surface is less bad than that?
History writes a lot of memories.
Let them choose for themselves.
Have a national plebiscite of globo homo or control.
We have no real say in this, you know what I mean?
So like my thing is like, I just don't care.
What with this stuff, my focus is always like our guys responding to it in a completely inappropriate way.
It's way too hopeful.
And it's not that we shouldn't be hopeful, but you know, just an unrealistic type thing where it's like, no, there's actually your belief on this is founded in like savior complex type desires, which is understandable, but like really, okay, Russia takes Ukraine.
What's different about the world?
Ukraine doesn't have a Jew president anymore.
Okay, based, but like not really.
How does that affect us?
Is that going to stop American white nationalists from getting thrown into jail, getting doxxed, having their lives ruined, getting fired, having your family disown you?
Like who cares?
Literally, who gives a fuck?
Well, I give an F about this massively.
No, no, it's okay.
I mean, one, because this is a big deal.
I mean, this could be one of the biggest happening in European geopolitics since World War II.
That's not exaggeration.
Two, the worst people in the world want Russia to be broken up.
Carter's old national security advisor basically said that Russia should be broken up into a series of smaller countries.
So the worst people in the world want Russia broken and defeated and for all of those lands to come under the Zog Imperium.
So I don't want that to happen.
That would be a bad thing.
I think a lot of those people look at that, though, through the lens of like the Jews that I work for want it this way, but it's like, you know, I just view this all as like two different camps of Jews arguing over how to go about destroying the Goyom.
I suspect that the Jewish control of Russia is much exaggerated.
I know a lot of our, you know, two sides of the same coin, right?
And maybe I'm projecting hopes here, seeing what I want to see.
But in my, it doesn't, it doesn't just, that doesn't seem to jive that this is.
You're either anti-Semitic or you're not.
You can't, you can't beat the Jews.
Like, I'm, and not to be like a black pillar, like, oh, you can't, you can't beat the Jews without being anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
So you can't play this savvy point of like, oh, well, you know, I, I can wheel and deal and work with the Jews that, you know, I can kick out some Jews that don't like me and these other Jews that are willing to play ball with me can stick around.
It's like, no, you can either have Jews or you cannot have Jews.
And if you have Jews, the Jews have you.
That's the way it's worked every time.
Every single time without fail.
So to think, like, there's no reason to think that anybody in the world can outdo the Jew in this game without just being anti-Semitic.
The only person that ever outdid the Jew was explicitly anti-Semitic, and the Jew launched the entire world against him.
Hitler and Jesus, well, we'll chalk Jesus up there too.
We'll give two people.
William, you still with us or you taking a nap?
I don't know if he even came back.
He's been quiet.
There he is.
Any strong opinions on this?
Yeah.
No, I don't really do foreign policy very much.
I guess I would just put in my two cents that nothing good is going to happen unless we make it happen.
So I guess I'm with Smasher for the most part here.
Gotcha.
Let's pivot then to another legitimate issue question that you were involved in and had strong opinions on.
I'll just give a quick background.
The other night, there was footage out of Ottawa of an old, seemingly white lady on a scooter getting trampled by a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer.
If you think that's fake, just saying.
Hold on.
Yeah.
Instantly, you know, the propaganda machine was operated, regardless of what you think about the protests in Ottawa, whether they're legit, useful or not.
So, you know, the meme started.
Cop tramples old woman at peaceful protest, which is a fair thing.
But then there was the debate of, well, actually, she didn't die, as was reported by Fox News.
And when you look under the hood, she's actually at least some part Native American and has some like the native equivalent of a BLM sticker on her vehicle, which I'm not even sure that that all is accurate, right?
Because so much of us, so many of us, just draw our instant conclusions of reality based on a quick screen grab or a tweet or something and then go on with our lives.
So the bigger debate was on making propaganda and drawing lessons from world events, even if they are not perfectly lined up.
Kate Steinley was a libtard, but she still had her head cut off by a goddamn beaner that should have never been here.
I agree with you.
Do we not use a good propaganda moment for what it is?
Do we not use a good lesson as a good lesson?
We're not Q-tards, but if a Q-tard gets shot down by a black cop in the Capitol, we still express sincere sympathy.
And of course, there's the seedy underbelly of using bad things for propaganda, like the massive amounts of black crime on whites.
It does feel a little dirty sometimes, but I wanted to ask William because he had strong opinions that no, you're not supposed to do, or you should not, I won't put words in your mouth, you should not make martyrs out of what are, by all respects, not our people or our ideological allies.
Give you a chance.
I don't want to unfairly criticize or characterize your position.
Oh, yeah, I don't.
My opinion on that is that's a moral.
I don't have a huge moral problem with lying if it's good for our cause, because our cause is the most important thing.
But I don't think it's useful to...
I think we have plenty of martyrs, I guess, is all I'll say.
There are plenty of people, white people, being destroyed by the government.
Kate Stanley was white.
She was a libtard, maybe, but definitely.
But still, she was white.
She was killed for no real reason.
She wasn't, she wasn't.
I don't want to make people too mad, but honestly, the trucker thing, it's a little retarded.
I don't know.
I'm being mean, but I don't know.
I think it's important to put out a narrative because if we're not putting out a narrative, then the only narratives that are going to be out there are retard narratives, right?
So even if it's not something that we like, I'm not going to go hard on this woman.
You know, like it sucks that she got run over and it's terrible, but like it's not something that I'm going to spend a whole lot of time on, but there needs to be a narrative, a good narrative out there, you know.
Because if you're not putting a good narrative out there, then it's all just going to be retard stuff.
Yeah.
And I'm thinking of Molly Tibbets in Iowa, who was murdered by that Hispanic illegal, I believe, and who she, I'm not 100% sure was probably romantically involved with, right?
Do you say that's what you get?
Well, you know, there's this wonderful channel out there called Every Day, and which everybody should subscribe to on Telegram.
But so, you know, a lot of times the victims are, let's say there's some white slag that gets murdered by some nigger.
Well, you might say, well, she had it coming and so forth.
Yeah, but that's a white person, you know, and she was murdered because she was white.
So I think we stick up for people of the white race, regardless, even if they're involved in some bad thing in some ways.
It's also, you know, Coal Burners in particular.
I was talking about this either today or yesterday.
I was talking about this with somebody that, you know, Coal Burners are a great example because it's like, you can still point to them and be like, this is why you shouldn't be a Coal Burner.
Like she got what she deserved, but you don't deserve that.
And you don't have to deserve that.
You can be better than that.
And you should learn the lesson here.
And the lesson here is like, don't have sex with niggers because they will rape and kill you.
Yep.
Yep.
And hey, okay, so the old lady was like half mohawk and was a lefty on tribal issues.
Well, I saw Canada first on Telegram just be like, oh, yeah, the Royal Canadian Mountain Police are stomping on old women.
Now, the other thing that bugs me too is, of course, our sense of self-importance and like that we get really worked up on our relatively limited media abilities here compared, of course, to CNN and all the rest of the garbage.
So it's a little bit making a mountain out of a molehill, you know, sort of crabs in a bucket on this stuff.
But what, I mean, you have to work with what you're given.
And as long as you're doing it with the right intentions, even if the details don't line up, we should not be lying and like spreading obvious falsehoods because then that will blow back on you.
You'll look ridiculous.
You might as well join like the Twitter, you know, clickbait crew.
Yeah, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be like lying, obviously.
But people, people tend to let the enemy or perfect be the enemy of good when it comes to like propagandizing things and putting out narratives.
And they're like, well, this doesn't fit, you know, what, exactly what I want to say.
So like we should just not say anything.
And it's like, well, if we just only said stuff when everything lined up perfectly, like we wouldn't be talking most of the time.
You couldn't have a podcast every week.
Sure.
Yep.
No, exactly.
A pal I saw wrote the other day.
He's like, look, I'm already a white nationalist.
I get it.
And I don't need to consume content anymore.
I'm moving on to other things that help me build my life.
But God bless all of the content creators for still that, you know, it's a vital churn.
One, because we, you know, even if we took power tomorrow, we would still need content creation.
And two, there's always somebody who's listening to this for the first time or coming along and needs the normal and refreshing honesty and candor about racial issues and Jewish issues and family issues that you can't get anywhere else.
So I get it.
And I, you know, I've said that to other guys.
Like my, my consumption of our media has declined, which is a function of one, the like, yeah, yeah, I get it already.
I don't need this anymore.
But also, two, you just get a little bit exhausted by it sometimes.
It's like, oh, man, I can't keep dwelling on these things.
I kind of want to look at the world and like listen to music and stuff like that.
But it's like in-person propaganda is more important than online stuff.
Yeah, for sure.
It's just riskier to do.
It's harder.
It's harder to do.
You have to be good at in real life argumentation and rhetoric, which most people aren't.
It's harder to get a whole bunch of people together to listen to you and to talk to you.
You know, you could do in-person propaganda, like flyering and stuff, but that only goes so far.
That's probably less effective than the internet.
And ultimately, like through the internet, we know that we're reaching hundreds of thousands of people on the internet across the spectrum of white nationalist media, you know, at least in the United States.
So speaking of which, a buddy sent me a message while we were on the break and said, I'm visiting with a friend.
He loves full house.
Guess what?
He is a Persian Muslim with a large family and is interested in coming on.
So I said, oh boy, that will make for an interesting show.
I don't know.
Are you guys opposed to having a Persian Muslim full house listener come on?
Any ideal, like, is that straying too far?
Would our audience revolt?
I think we should do it.
Yeah, I think it would be interesting.
I mean, we don't have to pretend like we're, you know, all on the same page or anything like that.
Yeah.
No, I know.
The idea that you can't talk to somebody and like avoid endorsing their worldview or every point of theirs is kind of crazy.
Yep.
Sam, I know you got stuff in the stack, but I wanted to raise one more here.
This is another like red meat issue.
White people, rural country whites versus suburban whites versus urban whites.
Lots of, I've seen some slander of rural whites as fat, no-nothing, not racially woke because they're not exposed to stuff.
I guess implying that whites in the suburbs or in the cities are more likely to be our people because they are closer to diversity and get it smacked about their face.
Well, seemingly in the country, you can live in relative ignorance or bliss away from those things.
That's not my experience with rural whites.
They might not be as sophisticated or as exposed to diversity as you think.
They might be a little bit thicker around the waist and maybe not as polished, but you don't really grow Antifa in the country and you don't really grow tons of mud sharks in the country largely because there's not a lot of mud sharking to be done due to the population.
And I imagine that per capita, rural whites are more our people in their souls and ideologically than your average suburban or urban person.
But I'll kick that one over you guys to chew up.
Or I could read from the dad joke.
Yeah.
No, that's that's it's a good question.
And I'm not sure I have an answer.
I mean, in some ways, when you get into an urban environment, you have a lot of high quality whites, but you also have a lot of poor quality whites and you have all the diversity and a lot of bad factors operating.
So when you go into an urban white area, certainly you will find high quality whites that are racially aware and a lot of good things.
But what is their overall number and things like that?
That's hard to say.
When you go into the suburbs, well, it's a similar type of a situation.
There will be that mix of people who are deluded and just addicted to, you know, watching TV and rooting for sports and just, you know, and then in the country, well, yeah, it's a different dynamic, but a similar split.
You have people who really get it and you have people who are who are who don't, you know?
And that's, I guess, part of part of our politics is that we account for that.
You know, we realize that people are a certain way and we don't expect everybody to be political scientists.
And our propaganda is sort of aimed like that even.
You know, the good propaganda is aimed at trying to realize that people have to be stimulated or piqued in a certain way to get them to react to the right issues and stuff.
Yeah.
And the invasion is so out of control right now.
I mean, just everybody left and right is saying, oh my God, I went to the mall the other day or I took my kids to the park.
And I've just never been like, this was where I grew up.
And just 10 or 20 years ago, it was all white kids.
And now there's an area of white kid to be seen.
Like it's really ramping up and unfortunately wherever you live now.
I think dividing white people up based on where they live is like retarded.
Yeah.
It's kind of productive to like try to do these value judgments on which one is better and this, that, the other.
It's like they're, they all have things that they bring to the table.
Some of the best people in this thing, people that help me, you know, literally every day are like straight up country boys, you know, and they came around me and they never, nobody in their family is a race mixer.
Nobody, you know, they're all, you know, married, having kids and stuff.
They maybe don't get it like we do, but like they're, they're living closer to our values than your average normie in the city.
You know, where do you even find white people in a city anymore for the most part?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, in the biggest cities, there are enclaves of nationalities and things like that.
But yeah.
Yeah, you figure the really good ones are the really ones who wake up, get the hell out of there, right?
We were talking about, you know, white protests in New York City against Vietnam.
And now, yeah, they are.
Well, this is why I resist the argument of like, just move to the country or something like that.
You have to stop running.
Like, you have to stop running away, dude.
These cities are our birthright.
We built these cities.
That's right.
And the niggers don't deserve them.
Okay.
Right.
Exactly.
And the thing is, if, let's say I could take you on a little drive from where I am now and take you to an all-white community.
Sure, it's all white now, but you know what?
They don't have the spiritual framework to resist the influx of Negroes or the Jewish compromising or whatever it is.
They have accounts to support that lifestyle, but yeah, not the idea.
Until our people wake up with a better spiritual framework, they will always be susceptible to this type of compromise.
Yeah.
And if the Mormons can do it, so can we, damn it, right?
Right.
Exactly.
Smasher, Smasher, I would like you to have a visit from an angel tonight and go find some cool gold plates out in the woods.
I'm joking, Yvonne and William.
I'm not disparaging them.
As long as they're written in Arabic and they talk about how Hitler is called Messenger of Muhammad.
You know, regarding the rural Arabian divide, I have to say, visiting lots of places in rural Europe where people have literally never seen a black person before, I think, especially, well, I want to say that it's changed over time.
In the past, they used to be sort of implicitly xenophobic, but in modern times, when their only exposure to people of other races has been on Western television, I find that they sort of give them the benefit of the doubt.
But in the large European cities, it's pretty obvious, you know, when you walk through certain areas and you can literally see the gypsies and the Africans committing the crimes in broad daylight.
Everyone I've ever met in a European city, you know, they acknowledge what the problem is, but the rural people are more skeptical unless they've not been watching TV.
Yeah, exposure to diversity makes you racist.
And that's like a known phenomenon for us.
We talk about bowling alone and the destruction of like real communities through diversity.
And what is it?
Diversity plus proximity equals conflict.
That's the line that we used to give out.
So you can't know what the problems are unless you're exposed to it.
So I totally see what you're talking about.
Yvonne, you've got significant experience in Europe.
I assume that you've seen the invasion firsthand.
Any other commentary on the state of Europe or individual countries that are doing better or just the big picture there?
Sure.
I mean, I'm going to say a couple of pretty controversial things.
But first of all, I want to elaborate like what I was saying before.
I think one of the things I've noticed is in these rural areas in Europe, a lot of people's only exposure to black people and things like that is they see them in the ads for their favorite products or they see them in the American movies and stuff.
So they get this sort of romantic picture of what they think diversity is, which is not true.
And that sort of leads them to have these weird ideas about the world.
But to actually answer your question, in my opinion, and most of the people in the US that I've talked about that are white nationalists really don't like this.
But I really believe that Europe as a whole is way better off overall than the United States.
I mean, even the most compromised countries in Europe, like the United Kingdom and Sweden and those places, in terms of just the raw demographics as a percentage, they're not nearly as bad off as the United States is.
Politics are easier to fix in demographics.
Exactly.
And also they've got smaller countries.
It's easier for them to make societal change.
But I think like the worst off country is probably France and they've got like 25% compared to the US.
Now I think whites are officially a minority here.
But in terms of some countries doing better than others, I mean, yeah, there's clearly a difference.
Most of the uh, the countries between Russia and the West, the Soviet Satellites Poland, Czech Republic Slovakia, most of the Balkan countries.
You know they're uh, in 99 plus uh white uh, you know if if, if you go outside of Prague or Bratislava or uh, you know the major Polish cities you're, you're not going to see anyone who's not white.
Uh, Russia is a different story because they've, you know, got Asians and uh, the Caucasian people living there.
But uh definitely, there's a big difference in the east versus the west.
Absolutely yeah, we're still uh, you know, 2020 census, we were either 59 or 60 percent technically by the reports.
You know, there's a little bit of funny math with Hispanics there uh, but of course, I also think that under 18, we are the minorities.
So yes absolutely, on a very short timeline.
Yep, it drops off quickly because a large percentage of those of that 60 are boomers and a lot of them, of course, are uh edging toward the grave, and even the ones who aren't are relatively too steeped in their ways to change or make any appreciable difference other than bequeathing their wealth accumulated during the halcyon days of America to the next generation to try to turn this thing around, point taking.
Also, I think it's worth mentioning that interracial relationships are are super rare in Europe, even in like France and London and stuff.
You, you don't really see that, not so here?
Yep, all right, be right back moving, moving back to the Cradle Continent.
Just kidding, i'll be all right, let's go around the horn.
And uh Sam, I know you had a grab bag of stuff.
If you want to uh throw one in here at the end or save it for next week, whatever you want, we're doing a rare sunday night show.
Thanks to uh, our muted, wonderful producer.
We'll probably have it out on monday and we'll try, we'll try to get back on the thursday schedule.
But uh, thank you Sammy baby, anything you wanted to add there from that list before we close it out?
Well certainly, all of those things can wait till the next show.
I just thought I would uh say a few words about the closing music that I had suggested to you and you've uh graciously consented to play.
Uh well, I don't know how it will hit anybody else, but the the song is a song by uh, the band Bound FOR Glory, great band from many, many years, great guys, and and uh, I was at a comrade's uh house some few weekends ago and we were listening to some music on his system and he he started playing some songs from that album.
That album was Last Act of Defiance from 1999.
And back in those days, the internet was yet in a fledgling state.
And I would keep in touch with the band just by snail mail, as we would say now.
And when that album came out, I had bought it through the mail.
And he sent it to me through the mail.
And at that time, my youngest...
daughter had just been born and it had been the occasion on several of their albums would come out and it would coincide with when one of my children were born, and and uh so he would write me a little note and stick it in the cd when he sent it to me, and I would keep those little notes in the cd just as a little uh keepsake, as these guys are just wonderful guys so um, anyways.
So I was at this comrade's house.
He was playing the, the couple of songs off that album, and I just uh uh one of the songs, the name Fatherland, which we will play for you here shortly.
He played it and you know, I remember when that album came out and that song was on there and maybe at that time I was a little more impressed by the fast and loud type of a music, but this beautiful song was on there uh, and I remember it being a wonderful song, but in that moment we were sitting, it was kind of a late night.
We're sitting at his bar and listening to the song, and the song came on and after you know, 20 something years that song had kind of germinated and it it moved me to tears really.
So I don't I don't want to build it up for the listener too too much uh, but uh, think of that as you listen to it.
Maybe it will hit you the same way.
It hit me on that night a few weekends ago.
Amen thanks, Sam.
Yeah I, when I heard it I was like oh boom approved, rubber stamped.
Yeah it just it hit me it, you know, but it just put tears in my eyes and uh, I like to hear what people think about it.
All right, let us know at full house show at Protonmail.com.
Smasher, I actually feel sorry, as a nap lover, aficionado extraordinaire, that you were torn away from that bliss on the couch with your son, but so glad that you joined us and Wifey smacked you about the face.
Yeah, same it was.
I, I thought I had a lot of fun on the show.
I have a lot of fun on every show, but I had a lot of fun in the show, glad to be here, glad I got woken up, because I did.
I wasn't trying to ditch the show either, you know I, I at least, I at least have the the courtesy to tell you um, I can't make it, you know, of course yeah no, I absolutely enjoyed it and I genuinely there.
There are shows where I do interviews or questions, where i'm trying to educate the audience, and I think I basically had all the scoop already and this one legitimately learned about Mormonism and unsurprisingly, it is not nearly as spooky or as creepy or as weird as you might be led to believe.
So I hope we did justice by a solid and uh, not long-running faith, which of course, brings us to uh William, thank you, my friends.
So much last thoughts.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Uh, last thoughts.
Well um, I guess, I guess uh, a religious note.
Um, all of us may believe different things uh, or believe in not in a creator at all, but if you believe in some creator, whoever he may be.
He created us, He through us, I think, created all the beauty.
Any beauty in the world that was created by mankind was created by white mankind, in my opinion.
Anything good in the world was the work of white mankind.
And I think he wants us to survive.
He wants us to win this war we're in, this attack that we're under.
And if you have such a faith, I just invite you to, you know, petition him, you know, kind of seek his help in winning.
And so I hope we all find that ultimate victory.
Whatever we may believe, hail victory.
Amen, brother.
Hail victory.
And yeah, thank you.
Hail victory.
Thank you so much for everything that you do, including coming on Full House with us tonight.
And of course, Rolo gets no shout out.
No, thank you.
Thank you, Rolo.
I see you there in the chat.
Sorry about the internet, buddy.
Lag.
Oh, there he is.
Lag, lag.
All right.
I'm giving you a dad joke, Rolo, so you can tell this to your future kids.
All right.
I've been struggling to become a good mountain climber.
It's an uphill battle.
Just a random sapler.
All right.
And last but not least, Yvonne, you're a wonderful guest.
Thank you so much for doing justice to your faith and also to the white cause as well, brother.
Thank you.
It was my pleasure.
I just want to say to anyone who's interested in Mormonism, whether you believe in a God or an afterlife or any of that is irrelevant.
If you don't believe in it, you should still come, go to your local Mormon church and be surrounded by white faces and contribute to your community.
If you do believe in a God and you're wanting to know if it's the right religion for you, then I implore you to read the Book of Mormon, ruminate on it, and ask the Lord if it is true.
And I have faith that he will tell you that it is his word.
There you go.
All right.
Well said, my friend.
You guys are both welcome on anytime.
Most anytime.
Some shows we can't squeeze in.
Anyway.
All right, everybody.
Full house episode 100.
I got something to show.
Chill, chill, chill.
I only just thought of it right now.
April 30th in Pittsburgh.
There's going to be a skinhead concert put on by the American Defense Skinheads.
Fascine is going to play it.
Birthright is going to play it.
Wellington Arms are going to play.
And they did put this out on Telegram.
So it's an open 30th.
That's right.
Join the struggle.
I got it.
Maybe I'll make it to that one.
I can't keep fake promising that I'm going to go.
And then you know what?
I've seen these guys play and never actually made it to one of their public shows.
It's always been their private stuff that I get to see.
So I'm really trying to see.
I'll talk to you after the show about it, but this would be one to attend, fans.
I'm really trying to go to this one.
I still think it should be called Fasheine instead of Fasseen.
But you know, every time I talk to John, I say Fasheen most of the time.
I said Fasseen just to be correct for the announcement, but I say Fasheine, and I'm not going to pretend like I don't like that more.
And I don't even, I look at John and just say Fasheine with a stone face and he just, he knows, he knows.
At least they didn't name their band after a certain city in Canada, Regina.
Every time I hear Regina, I'm like, good God, who the hell thought that?
As a kid, I used to say Regina.
I was like, there's no way they say Regina.
But I think they do.
I heard that on the Olympics.
It reminded me of that godforsaken city up there in the barren wasteland of Canada.
No respect to our Canadian listeners.
Just kidding.
We see it.
It is stupid.
Hey, whoa.
Full house episode 119.
I mean, what's the point?
They're just like America, basically.
They're not really any different.
They should just belong to us.
They're our biggest national park.
If the leafs turn it around up there before we turn it around down here, then they get bragging rights.
So we'll just make it a competition.
They've certainly got more territory and fewer people to deal with.
Full House episode 119 was recorded on a beautiful late winter's night, February 20th, now February 21st.
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And as always, please do drop us a line to fullhouse show at protonmail.com and check us out at givesendgo.com slash fullhouse or full-house.com if you'd like and are able to support our efforts.
Big thanks to Yvonne, William, Sam, Smasher, and even the muted Rolo this week.
And as Sam described earlier to Fatherland, there's the lag by Bound for Glory.
Thank you, Sam, for this one.
And, you know, we'll talk to you next week, I think, fam.
If we don't die before then, we love you.
See ya.
It's been a long slumber.
Over 50 years of the spell you've been under.
Awake, oh, Fatherland.
Structure and prosperity, you'd seen it all.
Built the greatest empire, then seen it fall.
Stood alone against jealousy and hate.
The world couldn't stand to see you so great.
Awake from your sleep, it's been a long slumber.
Over 50 years of the spell you've been under.
Don't fall Villainized my world in a series of trials.
Now brokenly tried to drown you in guilt.
You picked up the pieces and now you've rebuilt.
Awake from your sleep, it's been a long slumber.
Over 50 years of the spell you've been under.
Oh, wait, oh, fine.
Divided by a wall built right through your hearts.
Prisoners of twin evils, their fates were decided.
But then the wall fell and the people reunited.
Awake from your sleep.
It's been a long slumber.
Over 50 years of the spell you've been under.
Awake, oh, Fatherland.
Awake from your sleep.
It's been a long slumber.
It's been 50 years of the spell you've been under.