If you've ever considered going to prison, well, this show is for you.
Because this week, we're excited to welcome a veteran corrections officer and author of the new book, Live in the Dream, to share a glimpse of what life is really like behind the wire.
Just in case you, dear listener, find yourself on the wrong side of the law one day.
And in dishonor of the ever more ludicrous Black History Month, apparently we're making February Full House Book Month.
So, Mr. Producer, release the hounds on episode
79 of Full Big House, the world's most law abiding show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole bio fam.
I am, as always, your never arrested host, Coach Finstock, back with another hour or an hour plus of excellence in literary analysis this week.
Before we meet the birth panel, though, big thanks this week to JS for his donation to the show.
And as always, to the recurring donors who keep the wheels spinning around this joint.
Also, be sure to check out the Manor Bun Dispatch podcast this week.
I was delighted to be in the guest slot on their latest episode, and we covered a ton of foundational topics on what we've endured as a people, as a cause, and where we're going.
So please check that out.
All right, on to the birth panel.
First up, as always, my new ice skates arrived just today, which means that he and I are on the verge of storming the country as the white nationalist version of Siegfried and Roy on ice in thongs and yet not at all gay or creepy.
Sam, if anybody can pull it off, you and me.
Oh, man, good news.
Good news.
Yeah, I got it.
You know, the way our local ice rank works, it's you got to make reservations with the COVID thing because they only allow so many people in and everything.
So actually, I'm going this Saturday, and I try to go as often as I can.
But I got myself some new skates in the last few weeks.
I've been wearing the same pair of skates since I was in high school, and I finally thought it's time for a little bit of an upgrade.
And on eBay, you can find amazing deals, people who are just wanting to get rid of some excellent things and for a very decent price.
So good on you.
I mean, it's ice skating is such good exercise.
Just if you're skating around, go around, do a couple turns, go backwards, forwards.
Great exercise and great to introduce your children.
Are you wearing the same thong that you've been wearing since I no, no?
The interest in thongs came later, believe it or not.
Yeah, I'll admit, Sam, I got a pair of ice hockey skates at first because I thought those would be like a little cooler and maybe a little bit more functional.
But there was like a two-month delivery wait.
I wasn't going to dick sporting goods.
So I got a pair of Chinese-made, I think they're Jacksons.
They just look like they'll fit the bill.
We'll see.
I didn't want to spend a lot of money out of the gate without knowing if I was going to crash through the ice out here in the boonies.
There's definitely a learning curve in there, but great, great to do that.
Tonight, as before the show, I was showing you, I'm drinking this blue UV blue vodka, which I came, somebody gave me a bottle.
Actually, my son, one of my sons, he's doing keto and he thought, oh, this is going to be like blueberry-infused vodka or something.
No, it's like really sweet, and then you can't have any sugar or anything for keto diet.
So he gave, he basically gave it to me.
And so I'm drinking this blue vodka, which is, I don't know, I'm not really into it, but it was free.
A couple of quick, disjointed ideas I wanted to say quickly during my introduction here.
This is my fourth meeting tonight.
So I'm a little bit punchy and a little bit drunk because these are all like drinking meetings too.
And at the first AA meetings, okay.
Yeah.
The opposite of yeah, the opposite of AA meetings.
At the first meeting, which was a dinner meeting, the waiter spilled the whole tray of drinks onto me.
So my hair, my face, my shirt, and my pants are completely drenched in wine and beer.
And yeah.
And then I had a second meeting, which was online.
And I had to, basically, it was mostly while I was driving and I had to endure being in that condition during that whole meeting.
And then the third meeting was a Mannerbun meeting.
So I'll mention what that one was about.
The first two were professional meetings, and I'm not going to mention what those were about.
And this is my fourth meeting.
So I'm just a little bit punchy.
And finally, I'm going to mention, you know, the last few weeks ago, we talked about model building.
Actually, it was, I think, before Christmas there at the end of the year.
And I got a Revelle Type 7C German U-boat one to 144 scale.
So it's like a bigger scale.
And one of my sons and I are working on that.
I'm trying to inculcate him in the beauty of building models, you know, the putting it together, the separating it, the making it perfect, the painting it.
And once it's done in a few weeks, I hope I can post some pictures to the site to enjoy.
Sounds good, Chatty Kathy.
Yeah.
Let it rip tonight, Sam.
We got a great nest in store.
Tons of ground to cover.
I think we're just going to do the first hour and a half because sitting next to me is the hardest working man in framing, gaming, clowning, but rarely frowning, live and in studio in a Spartan cold shed that he is helping bring to life.
Potato Smasher.
Looks like reservoir dogs in here that torture.
Junior earlier looked at the light and he goes, you know what?
That looks like a torture room, Mike.
And I was like, you know what?
I got plenty of drills.
Yeah, there's a nail gun, there's a table saw, all sorts of sawing instruments.
So you never know.
If you have information that we want, we will get it.
I promise.
All right.
Now, Smasher, on a scale of 10 to 10, how crucial was my assistance in your work over the past couple of days?
Yeah, I stood around like a trained monkey, hold level, and I cut some wood, et cetera.
But he's the brains behind the operation and he's doing a great job.
Thank you, Paul.
All right.
Finally, our very special and patient guest.
He is the rightfully proud author of Living the Dream, the new book available from Antelope Hill Publishing, a former New York State Corrections Officer, a big guy for you, and really a delightful distiller of his experiences in a very dark and challenging profession.
Jack McCracken, welcome to Full House, buddy.
Brothers, brothers, thanks.
It's amazing being on.
I didn't know we were going to talk about models tonight because now I just want to talk about model tanks and U-boats and all this kind of stuff.
I have a, I forget what scale it is, but I have a model Bismarck downstairs collecting dust.
I really got to break it out and glue that together, but I love models.
Fantastic.
And yeah, yeah, a lot of ground to cover.
And I appreciate being here as always.
Thank you.
You bet.
Our pleasure.
And yeah, we'll see.
If we're having a ton of fun and we want to go into a second hour, we'll just let you and Sam spurg out on models and we'll never release it.
No, we'll see.
Jack, first time on Full House, so lay it on us, please, your ethnicity, your religion, and your fatherhood status, if you would, sir.
Excellent.
Yeah.
So I'm mostly German, but I am a significant portion Scotch-Irish, which is where the McCracken moniker comes in.
But yeah, a fatherhood single, aspiring.
One day, we'll see what happens.
I'm a published author now, so that's got to help in that regard.
So we'll see.
All right.
Yeah.
Why did you write the book?
To get tail.
Yeah.
Yeah, of course, as you do.
Yeah.
And your religion.
You touch on it in the book, and I got the sense that you're, you know, neither here nor there on it, but go ahead.
Oh, yeah.
So I was raised Roman Catholic.
First communion, had that, baptized.
It was never confirmed.
I moved when I was very young.
And after that had happened, the access to like very white Catholic, Roman Catholic church all of a sudden disappeared.
And my family just stopped attending, unfortunately.
But that's where my roots are.
Gotcha.
Well, you have a very good radio voice.
I had never heard you before because I tried to tune into your first appearance or your appearance on the People's Square.
But the second that I did, Stryker dropped an F-bomb and I had to turn it off because my kids were there.
So we're flying blind.
We didn't do any homework.
If we cover some ground that you did there, that's fine.
I don't think the audiences overlap too much.
But let's, yeah, let's get right into it.
We're going to spoil the entire book here this week so nobody needs to go buy it.
That's how this worked.
Even if the audience overlaps, they're going to download and listen anyways.
That's right.
Yeah.
You don't get a choice.
Yeah.
No, I've read it out again.
Somebody in the chat the other day said, I cannot keep up with it all anymore, but I do keep up with Full House.
Partially because it's once a week.
Yeah, I know.
The most important show to listen to, Full House.
Amen, Sam.
Thank you for that.
All right, Jack, let's start at the top here and get Kraken.
Sorry.
Bet crack.
I didn't plan that one.
It just came out.
That's what he said.
Jack, how long were you in the suck?
And also, there's definitely a certain melancholy, almost a regretful tone throughout the book.
So yeah, give us a little bit of background of how long you were in and big overall themes about your experience as a CO, as they say.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I was a corrections officer for the state of New York.
The department's called the New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision for five years.
I started in 2014, ended in 2019.
It was definitely an interesting experience.
When I first started, I had every intention of staying there for a full 25, which is basically what every corrections officer sets out to want to do.
Because if you can go 25, you can collect your pension.
You know, all the good things start happening if you just make it past that 25 mark.
But within the first two or three years or so, you will quickly realize that that 25-year stretch is Becomes harder and harder to reach.
There's a lot of bad experiences.
There are a few good experiences.
Camaraderie, the brotherhood, going to union meetings and parties on the outside, catching up with your fellow corrections officers who are all in it with you is very kind of cathartic.
And it's very nice to have that brotherhood.
But the longer you're there and the saltier you get and the worse that the policies become, it just becomes harder to just stay happy.
In fact, it's almost impossible.
It sounds a lot like being in the military.
The camaraderie is great.
Being in the suck together sucks, but in retrospect, you're like, man, that was a good time.
But as things just get gayer and gayer that are out of your control, it just doesn't, the good times don't make up for the bad and just how crappy it actually is.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I would agree.
I was never in the military, but I would imagine if that's the case, and yeah, there's a lot of parallels there.
The policies, the rules that you're forced to abide by as a corrections officer, as they get more and more ridiculous as the years go on, it's becoming more and more apparent that these departments, these institutions, they just don't have your values at heart.
They have no plan on upholding any of the traditions that you hold dear.
And they're just throwing them to the wayside.
So at this point, upon leaving and reflecting and writing this book, I don't know what's worse.
I don't know if it's worse being a prisoner or if it's worse working 25 years wearing a uniform and basically representing a laundry list of values that are basically the antithesis of your existence.
I'm not sure anymore.
Sure.
And right here, we do have a lot of young guys who may be unemployed or underemployed.
Are there situations where you would still say to them that pursuing a career in corrections is worth it, maybe in the right state or at a certain level?
Or blanket across the board, is it too Godforsaken at this point at least to be worth pursuing?
It's a good question.
I mean, I think it's really going to depend on who you are, where you are as a human, what your goals are, because there's a lot of monetary gain to be made in being a mercenary, essentially, for this system.
So if you're one of these people that are desperate or if you really need a way out of a bad situation, you might want to consider doing this for a little bit.
But if you're a smart guy, if you have any kind of intelligence, if you have a degree, these are all things that I would say just take it and run as far away as you can because the correctional institution as a whole across the board, across the U.S., no matter if it's state or city or federal, it's only going to get worse from here on out.
It's already bad.
In 10 years' time, I would imagine it's going to be abysmal.
Absolutely.
Shoot, Sam.
Mr. McCracken, are you employed now in this profession?
No, no, I'm not.
Okay.
Because as I'm thinking about it, in one sense, is it a good job?
It probably has good benefits and good pay and stuff like that.
But I have a vocation in life that I do and I have talents that I apply.
And I just wonder, like for somebody that's doing that type of work, How do you see that as any application of your skills or as you're, you know, that you're aspiring to something that you're that your knowledge is deepening or that you are adding anything to this world with that type of a career?
When it comes to actual skill building or resume building, beyond just the label of, you know, that I, you know, I worked as a member of a law enforcement organization.
I say that lightly too, because it's really not.
We'd often joke that it's really more rule enforcement than law enforcement.
That looks nice on a resume, but beyond that, you're not learning anything.
I spent five years there.
I think it would have been much more valuable to me to instead spend that five years, you know, being a carpenter or an electrician, a plumber, something applicable.
But if they're leaving that job, you know, you realize, like, what did I just do?
What did I learn?
Did I become good at anything?
No.
Yeah, like, how are you deepening your skills?
For instance, my alma mater has now asked me twice to come speak at their university.
So I'm very honored by something like that.
So, like, but if you're in this type of profession, like, what are you, what skill are you deepening?
What knowledge are you deepening?
What value are you adding?
You can get a lot of killer stories for sure.
I guess.
Yeah, maybe that's if you want to go in and write a book.
I mean, you guys have done that.
Yeah.
My liberal counterpart, I believe his name is Donovan Conover.
I think it's, he wrote a book called New Jack, and essentially a very liberal version of his experiences, you know, behind bars.
So yeah, if you want to write a book, that's great.
But other than that, you know, yeah, you work security.
You do learn how to kind of read people and be vigilant, which I guess is a good skill to have just as a man.
But those are things that you can learn without having to become a corrections officer.
So I'm not entirely sure that it actually gives you anything or offers you anything beyond that paycheck or those benefits.
This is something that I think about with the military a lot.
You know, if now I did get some legitimate skills in the military, of course, with aircraft maintenance and whatever, but a lot of people that go into the military and, you know, they're warfighters and they don't have a lot of skills as in like trade skills that can really apply outside the military life.
But you do get a lot of self-discipline.
Like you said, you learn to read people and vigilance.
I think you get a lot of interpersonal skills.
You get management skills that you might not get almost anywhere else, even in like a corporate setting.
But also stress management, you get into extremely stressful situations where most people would crack or go black, as they say, and you're trained to deal with these things.
So there is, I think, a lot of useful skills that you gain, but they're not necessarily like professionally transferable.
Professionally transferable.
Jack, throughout the book, you have, of course, sordid, dirty, for lack of a better term, tales in there, but you also have some heartbreaking ones and even some heartwarming ones in there.
You have, it seems, that you still have a soft spot for the profession or at least what it might be.
Talk about that a little bit and why you're, you know, it's not just all horror stories.
You really care about it.
Right.
I mean, I think like most of the situations in our modern world, I don't believe that these things that are bad necessarily need to be bad if we lived in a world that wasn't just totally upside down.
Prisons and jailing, these are all things that are necessary for a civilization, right?
But if we lived in a society in which we cared for it and it was for us, a corrections officer could be somebody that's actually revered.
He could be looked up to just as much as, say, a police officer or any of these things.
He does provide a very necessary function.
But as it is right now, a corrections officer is hated historically by the public.
It's hated by the government that employs him.
And he's hated by the inmates that he's sent there to guard.
So really, CEOs only have themselves to look after each other.
But it doesn't have to be that way.
I have a comment there.
I have a dear friend that did hard time.
And he said that for the white prisoners, white prisoners are like, could be any of us in a sense.
Like white people in prison are guys that had a bad day.
And when he got transferred to a majority white prison, it was like being on a college campus.
Like people were going to the library, people were studying, people had classes.
There were all kinds of things going on.
It was relatively peaceful and so forth.
But when he was in one of the worst Negro prisons, there was none of that.
It was very locked down, a high security, high stress type of a situation.
And there were not all those things like it was in a white prison.
So like what you're saying is like, yeah, prisons are something that's just part of society in a way.
But if this was a white society in a white country, prisons could really be like a beneficial thing for people and not a horrible, scary thing like what we see on TV and things like that.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it could definitely be a place where actual correction, the art of correcting behavior can occur.
But when you're dealing with the kind of animals that we have in these places, these drug addicts, these people who are legitimately insane, these non-whites who stock these cells wholesale, that is a job that becomes hard, if not impossible, to do.
Yeah, like my friend was saying, like most of the white people in prison were just really, they're just regular people who had a bad day.
But the non-whites in prison were really, really dangerous and really crazy and evil.
And we'll get into some of those juicy details here in a little bit.
And it was the exposure to those creatures, Jack, that you got red-pilled on race behind bars, essentially, isn't that right?
I would say so.
Yeah.
I mean, I've always been kind of like on the periphery, you know, politically.
It started off originally as kind of a leftist, but not like a progressive, you know, like pro all this gay stuff.
You know, I was kind of more like a Jimmy Door, like a principled kind of leftist kind of guy.
Sure.
Yeah, and I just really didn't know how things were until you actually see it firsthand every single day and nothing ever changes from the visit rooms to the cells in which these people get locked in.
You know, the lines blur completely.
So, I mean, if anything prison does offer you, if there's any skills it does provide somebody that joins up, it's that it will turn you, you know, it will awaken you.
That's true.
At least as a race realist.
Go ahead, Sam.
Yeah, I'm interested to hear Mr. McCracken expand on these, a couple of these details, because from what I've been told, like, okay, let me start by saying like this.
Like in the Bible, it says the law is written on our heart.
You know, the law is written on the hearts of God's people.
That means it's not written on the hearts of the people that are not God's people.
And in the prison, you have certain races that turn right away to whereas as white prisoners don't do not turn to that right away.
I mean, yeah, I would agree.
My issue here is that when I was working behind bars, there was just not a lot of white inmates.
There really was not.
It was almost entirely minorities, blacks, Hispanics, a lot of Hispanics.
You could say it was majority, minority?
Absolutely.
Like very, very much minority, majority.
The few whites that were there were either old-time Italian guys who were basically just reading the paper every day.
They had a cup of coffee and they just did their thing.
Or they were irredeemable drug addicts.
These guys were bringing their habits into the jail and they were essentially drug slaves of the various black gangs that really ran the place.
So my experience with white people behind bars is just not there enough for me to make these kind of guesses or assumptions.
I'm assuming if you were out in California or any of these other states where the white inmate population is a little bit larger, you'd be able to make that ascertain, but I just can't in good faith.
Yeah, that was one thing that jumped out from the pages, Jack, that wasn't in there was our conception of prison as we're normies on the show.
And most of the listeners of this show are no, you know, literal Boy Scouts, never arrested, probably don't even have an unpaid parking ticket.
I always presumed, you know, if I ever got sent to the gulag, that I'd just, you know, go over to the corner of white guys, sit down, get the pinwheel on my chest and, you know, get down to business.
So for the few white guys that were in the joints that you served, were they scared little tit mice or was there not much racial tribalism because it was so black?
You know what?
I think that there were so little whites behind bars.
You'd be surprised just how many blacks and Hispanics are actually there that they weren't considered a threat.
They were just not in anyone's kind of orbit because there were so few of them.
So you would have these, you know, these bloods, these Latin kings, there's one gang called the Rat Hunters, very majority Hispanic, that would just kind of view them as almost like an NPC, as just something just, you know, just wandering around.
And it's just not important.
So the funny thing is it's in a prison that's like in a completely not an area where there's any kind of presence of blacks or Hispanics, but it'll be all these, like you say, all these blacks and Hispanics there in this prison.
Good segue, Sam.
Yeah, one of your more descriptive or creative suggestions, Jack, is that it's backwards that we have these monstrous walled prisons in bucolic, mostly white rural America, and yet they are housing the detritus of urban hellscapes that are majority non-white.
So talk about that a little bit.
Yeah, I mean, the way it is, and the way it is in New York and most states, you know, I'm confident in saying that, is that these prisons, these horrible concrete monstrosities that just dot our landscape, they're mostly in rural areas.
They're out in the countryside.
They're far away from the urban elite that, you know, write the policy and have to, and, you know, basically orchestrate everything.
You know, people know what I'm talking about.
So, you know, I just don't see why that has to be the case.
Every time there's a round of prison closings, it's always the prisons that are closest to urban areas that are closed first, which of course packs the rural prisons even more with the excess inmates that that creates.
It doesn't have to be that way.
You know, these people are being sent from urban areas and being thrown into the rural, and then they hire whites to do the job of jailing them.
And it's just, I don't see it to be a fair exchange.
I don't see why we can't close these rural jails and create new modern facilities near the urban places that spawn these criminals.
Right.
Even though it would be a significant economic hit to all these small towns where the jail or the prison is the biggest employer in town.
We're the only show in town.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You do have a lot of places, especially in New York, where the town exists because of the prison.
People are able to get by and live a life because they are being paid this mercenary wage to corral these blacks.
It's an undignified existence.
There's no reason why white people have to be subject to this horrible transaction.
It might suck in the beginning, but I think through that suffering, through that hardship of having to move on from a high-paying job like a corrections offer to something more meaningful and something more beneficial to the areas in the rural areas, that something good can happen.
It's a sacrifice, and you have to sacrifice in this earth.
Absolutely.
Sam alluded to it fairly explicitly before, but we're giving you a real challenge here.
And one of the wonderful services that your book provides is to show the difference between Hollywood prison and real-life prison, because the overwhelming vast majority of Americans think Green Mile, think Oz, think the R word left and right.
And you said that, at least from your experience, that is not really the case.
So if you can, as delicately or as artfully as possible, what's the difference or what's really going on in prison when it comes to self-indulgence behind bars and also hunting for tail behind bars?
Yeah, so I think Hollywood's interpretation of what jail is like is a complete farce.
If you watch a show like Oz or Orange is to New Black for the female side of that, the R word doesn't really happen all that much.
There are a lot of laws and bills that have been passed since the 2000s that have made that particular act almost impossible to do just on the way that inmates are corralled and moved around the jail.
It's very much on people's radar, whether you're a civilian working behind bars or you're as a member of security staff.
That kind of stuff just really doesn't happen.
What's far more common are consensual relationships?
Yeah, I'd like to chime in on that.
From, you know, that's the thing people from experience.
I bet you not from first-hand experience, especially just from what I've heard.
Like, because people be maybe especially younger or inexperienced people might be afraid, like, oh, I get sent to prison, you're going to be raped by Tyrone or something like that.
That's almost unheard of because I'm a booty warrior.
Yeah.
From I, I, I, in the past, well, I write to some prisoners now, but I used to write in the past to prisoners, and I've known a couple of people that have done hard time.
Homosexual rape is almost unheard of.
Let's put it this way: it's like, let's say I say, I'm, I'm going to kick your ass if you don't let me rape you.
And then you say, what do you say?
Okay, go ahead, rape me.
No, you're like, okay, let's, let's go.
You know, so, man, it would be really hot if you kicked my ass before you raped me.
Not the children, gentlemen.
Come on.
Okay.
Well, all I'm saying is any self-respecting man would be like, oh, you think you're going to rape me?
Then let's fight.
And that's just, it just, it does it happen somewhere?
Yes, it does happen somewhere.
But let's put it this way.
It happens more on the street than it happens in prison.
Correct.
Correct.
Absolutely.
And how about the self-indulgence?
We'll just call it Jack.
That was a particularly vivid, gross, necessary section.
That one surprised me too.
I presume that that was anathema or severely punished, but it seems like it's a wank house in there.
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely prevalent.
In terms of like, you know, relationships between the inmates, that's far more common.
There's really no reason why you would even be in a position to take something like that by force when consensual stuff is just so readily available.
You don't have to as an inmate if you were really looking forward to do something like that.
Booty socialism.
Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, if you aren't into that at all, you know, and you just wanted to consume, you know, pornography or something like that, that also is just everywhere.
Inmates have ways where they can order, you know, magazines and they have access.
You know, an inmate's wife can send them photographs.
And a lot of times they had photographs of their wives and various girlfriends and like, you know, baby mamas and stuff being mailed to them.
And they would just have whole, how do you call it, like a Tupperware bin underneath their bed, just full of these images and letters, like really explicit letters with, you'll see like a big lipstick, like kiss marks on the page and stuff.
And you would have to search through this stuff as a CO sometimes too.
And every once in a while, we'd kind of take a look and read this crap.
And just reading that to yourself, that's a different story altogether.
Yeah, I'm just reading it for the prison research, says Jackie.
Yeah, well, you have to scan that, you know, for gang, you know, gang missives and communiques, of course.
But yeah, it was always really funny to go through that kind of stuff.
Did anybody ever try to sneak a file inside the prison in a foot-long sandwich?
No, nothing.
So the craziest stuff that we would ever experience when it comes to like, you know, escape material is sometimes there would be people who would, or inmates, who would create kind of like a body, like double, like at night they would, you know, create almost like a full body pillow facility of a human.
And that would freak out a lot of the brass because that could be considered like, you know, a decoy or something for an escape.
But in reality, a lot of times inmates were really just creating their own like real doll.
You know, they would actually like, you know, do things to it sexually instead.
And the brass didn't understand that.
The brass would always look at that as if it was like an escape risk, but really it was something far more devious.
So what you're saying is that we need to pass legislation to allow Dr. McCorras in prisons.
No idea.
There's anime 3D waifu pillows.
Yeah, yeah.
Jack, I wanted to ask, in all seriousness, our side jokes about the gulags and claiming top bunk or bottom bunk, et cetera.
And it's not insane.
I mean, things have changed so much in the past three or four months in terms of the aggressiveness of the government, the DOJ prosecutions, these poor middle Americans who wandered into the Capitol and now are like the top priority of the FBI.
Just in case one of our listeners out there does have to do time and has never seen the inside, what's it like going into prison for a first time?
Do they cry?
Is it scary?
Are they handled aggressively?
Any in-processing experiences that you had?
Yeah, so what I worked in the medium facility was actually an intake facility.
So we did see a lot of new people come and go all the time.
CEOs, it's not like scared straight where they're screaming at you and they're doing all this stuff.
The only time a CEO is ever going to scream at you or do something crazy is if A, you have a bad day and you get one of these people who just happened to be psychotic and he's freaking out.
Or if you're an alcoholic.
Oh.
That's all right.
Sorry.
I thought I was going to behave.
Shows over.
Yeah.
Go ahead, buddy.
So that's pretty much the only time that's going to happen.
CEOs treat the job very methodical.
Everything is just, you know, just like this mechanical process.
They do this stuff every single day, and they're not going to go crazy on you just because you're new.
It's just a bureaucrat gang behind bars, more or less.
Yeah, yeah.
And if you do find yourself in that situation where you are going through the system, I talked to Stryker about this too.
You know, when you're on the unit and you're exposed to other inmates for the first time in like a free open setting, do not accept anything from anybody because this is their way of other inmates manipulating you for the future.
If they come up to you with a pair of shower shoes or a bag of potato chips, because you've got nothing when you're first there, they're going to try to use that to manipulate you.
It's much more common behind bars for inmates to run these games on your head so that you think you have like a friend when you really don't.
Exactly.
One of my sources of inspiration, a man named James LaFont, wrote a book.
It's called Thriving in Bad Places.
And his experiences are more with like dealing with people in an urban setting like Baltimore or Detroit or all these horrible urban areas.
But the same thing applies to prison.
The best way to win a fight and the best way to stay out of trouble is to just not put yourself in a situation where you're going to be in trouble.
So try to be as quiet as possible.
Try to withhold what you know.
Don't let anyone know what you're about.
Like to add to that, the lesson Mr. McCracken is giving now is valid on the outside.
Do not accept favors from non-whites.
If you work in a plant, let's say that you'll be in the lunchroom and some Negro will say, Oh, hey man, let me buy you a pop.
No, do not accept that.
That's what their whole thing is to get you where you owe them something now.
Because then when they need something, you have to be there for them.
Do not accept any charity from non-whites.
Correct.
And Jack, so you're saying new guys that get in processed, if they want protection or whatever, is there some sort of, they have to earn their stripes where they go beat up a pedophile or some rival gang member.
And follow-up question to that is: are sexual deviants and pedophiles in particular, are they actually given really hellish experiences behind bars?
Yes, if you're going behind bars due to any kind of deviancy, even if it's just, even if it has nothing to do with a minor, say you're like a sexual, you know, a predator or something like that, you are going to have a very hard time.
Other inmates will push up on you, they call it.
They're going to try to manipulate you more.
They're going to try to force things from you even more.
You're just going to have a hard time.
And honestly, that's fine by me.
That's something that I think can stay.
When I was behind bars, there was actually a unit specifically dedicated towards child predators.
And these guys were probably the grossest kind of goblins you can ever imagine, all concentrated in one area.
And they did that for a reason.
Because if they weren't in that area, they'd be basically preyed upon day and night.
Well, that's one thing that I do know is that a lot of prisoners have ways of contacting people on the outside, whether they get iPads with specific software that they can use for emailing or letters or what have you.
They will have these people go, their outside contacts go and look and track everybody that is incoming that is of interest to them to find out if they're a rat or if they are a pedophile or what have you.
And there are different codings in all the documentation that you have access to that you can figure these things out with.
And so they will use that to treat you accordingly.
Sure.
Particularly in the case of rats.
And this is probably more, not so much in New York where you don't really have a large white inmate population.
But I know this happens with areas that are even more racially diverse with whites, blacks, Mexicans, where the gang stuff is a lot more prevalent.
Sure.
And Jack, you got gamed at least once, as you told in the book, by a crafty inmate, the one who said, hey, ACO, let me go clean up them cigarette butts.
If you want to hear that one.
Yeah.
So, you know, if you're working behind bars, there's always going to be some sort of game, some sort of manipulation going on to get you as an officer to bend your will to the side of the inmates.
It's always going to happen.
And in the book, I kind of go on about this one story about how there was a whole fight.
And this is actually more common than you would imagine.
But there would be a whole fight that you just never even see.
And you're a member of security.
You're supposed to be on top of these things.
But just based on how large sometimes these housing units are and how they're constructed, inmates are able to, they're very crafty.
They're able to see where you're going.
And if you're going to be doing a round, if you're going to be searching a cell, if you're going to be just going to the bathroom, they'll wait until that time to strike out against another inmates or do whatever it is that they want to do without you ever even knowing it.
So, in the book, I go on about this story about one of these fights happened, these like real quick lightning strikes against another inmate.
And they were able to not only hummel this inmate very severely, they were also able to clean up all the evidence and distract me long enough to not even ever know that it happens.
And I'm sure that makes me sound like a complete oath, but I ensure you that this kind of stuff happens all the time.
Again, this is important advice, not only for prison, which I hope none of us will ever have any involvement with, but even for real life.
My wife was working at a juice bar for some years, and some Negro comes and they'll run this thing.
Hey, I'm going to give you this 20.
You gave me two tens and a five, you know.
And they say it so fast and they do it.
And it's like, wait a minute, you just gave them all the money back, and you only got a 10 out of it, but they got 20 back.
So you have to understand that's how these, I don't want to say people, that's how these subhumans work.
Sure.
Thank you, Sam, for bringing it back to the real world, too, because some very smart Twitter commentator the other day noticed the fact that whites are essentially living in an open-air prison.
And what do people with a lot of time on their hands and not much hope for the future do but plot and scheme and get down to dirty deeds?
So, yeah, and yeah, the sub, you know, 75 IQ creatures behind bars, given enough time, can still come up with some pretty good schemes.
Well, and it's like our uncle said, you know, it's it's the boundlessly honest Aryan is the most susceptible to these lies and these schemes.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The manipulation, you know, you know, behind bars.
And even, and yes, like you were saying, even in, you know, just civilian life is just out of control.
You know, but if you're always vigilant, if you're able to repress that reflex that we have as, you know, like European men to just always, you know, try to be kind and open to people's like suffering and things like that, you know, you'll survive.
You'll do just fine.
Most importantly is to be wise to these non-whites and to realize that this is their whole mode of existence.
It's just like rats or lice or anything other thing.
You might say, well, rats would be okay if they didn't act like rats.
Okay, well, just exactly how are rats supposed to act or lice or whatever.
And when lice and rats and other parasites cease to act like a rat that doesn't act like a rat is a sick rat.
That's that's you know, the good non-white that you know, that's how they are.
They're the sick rat, the sick lice.
So that's the way these other groups exist is by being parasites.
Jack, how about racial solidarity amongst correctional officers themselves?
I would think that being behind bars would be a rapidly radicalizing experience, whether you were new or especially if you'd been in for a long time.
But it didn't seem like that was the case, that it was more of just a bureaucratic prison house.
Any sense of that when you were working?
Yeah, my experience seemed to be no matter what race you were, you know, the only color that mattered was blue.
We wore blue shirts.
So as long as you were wearing blue, you were expected to at least uphold that brotherhood.
And a lot of times we did.
I really didn't have a lot of moments there where you had a black officer or Hispanic officer decide to step on your toes.
It happened every once in a while, but it wasn't that common.
So you could say that blue lives really mattered.
To some extent.
But once you work there long enough, you start to see that kind of stuff break down.
An interesting dynamic that happens in prison is that when you're working in prison, you're only there for eight hours.
After you leave and somebody takes your spot, they're going to run it the way that they run their area, their unit, their section of the jail.
So if, say, you spent eight hours as a white corrections officer really trying to do your job, really clamping down on all the rules, if you had one of these non-white officers relieve you, they could take your good spot and just ruin it.
They could make it just a chaotic mess.
So by the time you came in and clocked in the next day, you had to then clean up the mess that the previous officer had left for you.
So no matter how hard you worked, no matter how hard you tried to instill a certain standard on your housing unit or in your area with these inmates, it just became undone the second you left.
And inmates know this.
Inmates know that as soon as you're gone, if they know that their manipulations aren't going to work on you because you're that high agency, high IQ kind of guy, they'll just wait till somebody else is on that doesn't have that same level of that same standard.
And it happened all the time.
Sure.
We saw with Trump after the 28 midterm shellacking, Jared Kushner, the wormtongue, somehow make the priority out of losing the midterms into releasing more supposedly nonviolent drug offenders, et cetera, en masse from American federal prisons.
Do you have, we're going to talk a little bit more here about the big picture and policy as it impacts what's left of this country in what is supposedly a correctional system.
And that's one of the core themes in the book is that corrections doesn't correct.
It's some semblance of naughty school and leftist indoctrination and babysitting, et cetera.
But yeah, prison reform and the idea that nonviolent inmates can and should be released to try to start their lives over again.
You're a little bit of a softy.
It comes through, but you're also kind of a hard ass.
So wax on that a little bit.
Yeah, so I am a believer in prison reform.
However, my idea of prison reforms are different than I'm sure like your average leftist.
Yeah, your average progressive J-Woke kind of individual, I'm sure, would want to make it very soft on inmates.
But I would actually recommend that instead we need to maintain more of an even hand.
Right now, it's far too soft.
I call for what's called the Goldilocks zone.
It can't be too hard because then you're going to have riots.
You're going to have all kinds of craziness going on.
And you can't be too soft either because then behavior is never corrected.
You have to maintain a just right kind of scenario there.
I believe in returning the death penalty.
The death penalty should be adopted, whether you're state corrections or federal, should be an option.
This is a tried and true method that we can leverage to deal with the worst of our scum.
Excuse me.
Yeah, it should be extended to homosexuals and race mixers.
Per the Bible.
I didn't, it's not for me.
That's from the Bible.
Sam's off the chain this week, Jack.
Excuse.
No, don't excuse him.
It's my fourth meeting.
Did I mention this my fourth meeting?
So this, this is something that's actually really interesting to me is the whole idea of like prison reform.
And I don't mean like letting violent Negroes out of jail, but the way that we do prison overall.
Quick backstory, I broke my pelvis in a car accident in 2015.
And while I was in recovery, I went to school for criminal justice.
And a big part of it was corrections, at least for the course that I was taking.
They started with corrections largely.
And so I wrote this whole paper on prison reform and just how we don't really deter people from going to jail or to prison rather.
And once they're in prison, we don't really do anything to reform them as people.
And the death penalty, I think, is a big part of that because people are not really afraid of being in prison, but they're afraid of getting caught and they're afraid of dying.
Those are the two things that they find are the biggest, the biggest deterrence.
But for a prisoner to be in jail, as of 2015, it's been a while since I looked into the stat, but it was like $37,000 per person per year.
That's a lot of people.
And so you have these people that are on death row for 40,000, 50, 60 years.
And it's like, why?
If you say that they're guilty, then why we let them sit for 60 years, costing us $37,000 plus dollars every single year.
And how many of them are there?
And if you put somebody in jail for life, why are they in jail for life?
What's the difference between killing them and putting them in jail for life?
That's just it.
In the Bible, there's either restitution or death penalty.
There's no prison prescribed in the Bible.
Jack, you have a whole host of heartfelt reforms, but go ahead and riff off of Smasher and Sam there.
Yeah, so Smasher, yeah, I absolutely 100% agree.
One of the big themes of the book is that corrections doesn't correct.
It doesn't deter crime.
One of the big things that leftists like to say in response to submitting a new policy or creating these programs that are supposed to uplift and help prisoners after they get released is that the recidivism, the rate in which they return to prison is very low.
It's like, okay, well, that's great.
But if prison holds your hand this entire time and provides more benefits to a criminal than it does negative effects, then the recidivism doesn't matter because it just makes crime more lucrative in the eyes of the prospective scumbag.
It can't be prison, be one of these places that is just too easy or too tempting to not avoid.
And it needs to change.
And I go in the book.
I'll leave some of it a mystery there so that you can see yourself.
But I propose a few things that I think would help, that I think would help it kind of swing the pendulum back into a realm of sanity.
Because right now it's just completely upside down and completely insane.
Well, and here's kind of what my take was in the paper that I wrote, was that basically when you have somebody miss more or less a generation, 20 years on average, they are almost completely incapable of reintegrating into society.
You know, think about life in 2000.
Oh, shit, dude.
20 years, 2070 years ago.
You're still a young guy, man.
You're like, I know.
Well, I was going to say, think about life in the 1990s.
But even still, think about life in 2000.
Think about 2001.
Sure.
I prefer not to.
Yeah.
I mean, we're a few months before 9-11 still.
Like, crazy, right?
Think about if you had missed the last 20 years.
You went to jail in 2000 and you came out today, and people are screaming about communism and fascism and cutting their penises off and going to war with Iran.
Yeah, please put me back in jail.
And we've been trying to overthrow countries in the Middle East for 20 years.
Like you went to jail, you got out today, and there's been a war fought the entire time.
Like the iPhone exists.
You almost couldn't function.
You would think that everybody was crazy except for you and you were in jail.
However, they do have that surprised me.
I always assumed they got like maybe the big three networks and that was it.
But today they do have iPads and full spectrum cable TV.
Yeah.
There is some of it, but it's still like, even like culturally, sure, they get little bits and pieces of maybe technology and news, but like the culture, they're almost completely separate.
I mean, prison culture, even in like a six-month time span, is going to be completely separate than civilian culture.
But I just, I, there are studies that go over reintegration and it is failure.
And that's almost the number one reason that people end up going back to prison.
One, because like they're black, but two, because of failure to reintegrate into society.
They feel like they have no other choice.
So they're like, well, I'm just going to go back to jail.
And Jack, you saw a ton of guys on the carousel, right?
Out, back in, out, back in.
Yeah, I did.
And to talk about what Smasher was saying, you do see that a lot too.
I've had inmates actually come up to me and be like, ACO, like real quick, what's an app?
And I'd have to explain to them like what that is.
And they'd be like, oh, okay, cool.
Because I'm like, I'm getting out in like two weeks.
And my girl's talking to me about getting like Instagram.
I don't know what that is.
And then I was sitting there like, well, Instagram's kind of like this.
It's just very surreal.
But yeah, a lot of guys that come in and out, you'd be surprised.
Sex offenders are one of the biggest guys that go out and come right back in.
And they come right back in because they reoffend on their probation period.
And their sentences aren't as long as you would hope that they are.
These guys treat prison as a revolving door.
They never take responsibility for their actions.
They're always like being oppressed.
They never did it.
Never, ever.
We like meet a sex offender, admit that they did something wrong.
And they treat it just as this big oppression machine.
And it's awful.
You'll see the same guy come in over and over and over again.
It's disgusting.
How many people do these sex offenders hurt?
And how much money do we have to waste on that?
Like, okay, one time, if you don't ever get brought back here, okay, good job.
You've rehabilitated.
Now, we should probably have better systems in place for that and whatever, but that's a whole different conversation.
But you see Shmuly Schuckleberg for the third time.
That third time should be his public execution.
Jack has.
The first time.
Like I said, a guy that I knew that did some hard time, he knew a guy, a Negro, that was, he is on a second bit, you know, and then like you say, he got out for murder.
And then he was convicted again of murder.
It's like, what are they going to do?
Let him out again so he could kill yet a fourth person?
Yeah.
It happens all the time.
Yeah, that's exactly how it is.
We haven't touched on the JQ yet, Jack.
And one of the most maddening parts of the book or themes of the book is the special treatment that inmates receive by these third-party NGOs, non-state actors that have access to them to engage in their quote-unquote do-goodery.
Infuriate the audience for us, if you will.
So I do spend a few couple of chapters in the book kind of talking about some of these NGOs that kind of weasel their way into the correctional institutions and try to quote unquote uplift some of these inmates with their liberal nonsense.
So education is a big thing in New York.
I can't speak for other states, but like I said, New York is kind of like a vanguard state for corrections.
So anything that happens in New York, there's a good chance it's going to happen for the rest of the states at some point in the future.
But when it comes to education, inmates are expected to get a basic education.
So whether that's a GED, you know, if you're just like just some guy who never even went to class ever in your life and skipped out on like third, fourth, or fifth grade, if you go to jail, they will give you that qualification.
But after that, NGOs will step in and they will actually work with you to achieve a college education completely free.
So if you wanted a liberal arts degree or any of these free degrees that they offer you and you're an inmate, you know, it's there for you.
And these NGOs, these, you know, these Jewish-run organizations will use donor money, usually from, you know, other wealthy individuals to provide that service.
And then when they come out, when they get released finally and they have these credentials, they can need to continue their education outside of a prison setting.
And they could, even depending on how far advanced they are in their studies, they might even share a dorm with, say, your daughter or even your son who's going to school with them.
So it's disgusting.
It's terrible.
It's like the GI bill, but for rapists.
Essentially what it is, yeah.
So if you're a criminal out on the street, prison just becomes more and more mouth-watering, more and more tempting.
Man, I ain't no criminal, man.
I'm a learned doctor.
All right.
Yeah.
Rape somebody to get your GED and your bachelor's or your associates.
It's like my Twitter profile.
Don't do that, listeners.
No, yeah, I know.
Here's your fatherhood tie-in for our goody two-shoes audience is that don't save money for college for your kids.
Yeah, send them to jail.
That was where my blood started boiling because I never really, you know, I'm like, okay, I understand, you know, providing them three meals a day, which there's a wonderful section on the realities of prison food in there that we don't need to spoil.
We will leave some Easter eggs in there, as my son calls them.
But yeah, the free education, the free legal advice, you've got convicted felons getting free housing at either state or private universities in New York with these like co-eds.
Essentially, yeah.
And I've even talked to people too, who have told me that, you know, in their particular facilities, they've actually witnessed the professors who run some of these prison college programs.
Once an inmate gets released, they will actually pick them up at the front gates and drive them down to the dorms to make sure that they get to where they need to go.
And this stuff is just inexcusable because the working man, the working white man is just completely busting his hump all the time.
And he can barely afford this even with legal aid.
And yet here you have one of these degenerates, the scum of the earth, you know, gets convicted for a heinous crime.
And he's getting this all for fee.
This is all comped.
This is on the house.
It's disgusting.
And it really has to go.
It absolutely has to go.
That was something that struck me was you're very pro-working man.
You know, you were raised lower middle class or working class, whatever you want to describe it as.
And you have a real, I would call it a leftist sensibility when it comes to labor, when it comes to organizing, and when it comes to the imperative of striking when a big conglomerate, a prison industrial complex doesn't treat its employees properly, chaffs them, even though they're the recipient of.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't even mean that pun.
There's tons of them.
I try not to be too hokey on this one because it's a really serious topic.
But yeah, you're pro-labor, unapologetically.
You're a pro-working man.
And you advise very explicitly that if you want anything as a working man in this country, you have to strike.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I talk about it in a corrections kind of mindset, but I don't care if you work for corrections or if you work, you know, you're some sort of civil servant or anything.
If your workplace is not giving you what you want, if it is not or no longer reflecting your values, you need to get out there and stand up for yourself.
Have some self-respect.
Fight.
Suffer.
It's going to suck.
You're going to suffer and you're going to have to sacrifice a little bit.
But especially people who work in corrections, who have already lost so much in terms of workplace dignity, self-respect, these basic things that you would assume you have as a working man are just gone.
You're going to have to fight even harder.
And places like New York, you can't strike.
It's technically against the law.
But so what?
So what?
You have to do these things.
I'm not saying you should go out there and risk breaking the law.
But really, the penalties for stuff like this is that your union gets penalized, not you.
Exactly.
Your union might get hit for allowing these strikes to continue, but you're not the union.
You're a person who's out there representing your best interest.
So whether or not the union has your back or not, you need to be out picketing.
You need to be out saying, you know, lifting a finger up to these people because they will never, ever reverse any of their crazy liberal policies to appease you.
That'll just never happen.
Imposing costs, as our Mr. Producer has borrowed from Devin Stack and adopted as his own mantra, our own Captain Chaos behind the glass wall.
Mercifully, this week, we don't have to deal with any of his errands pedantry.
No, I'm kidding, Mr. Claire.
It's a running gag here, Jack.
And also, to that point, you really describe how the unions, just like, you know, I remember back in the day when I used to knock on doors for Republican candidates and even go to a Republican meeting or two.
And when you went to some of these union meetings, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, you were more or less appalled by what you saw just under the surface.
Yeah, I want to say that the unions themselves, no matter what kind of union you belong to, they're not going to put up the resistance that's required to change some of these workplace attitudes and kind of give what the average working man wants.
You're never going to all of a sudden see the corrections officer union for New York.
It's called NYSCOBA.
The New York State Corrections Officer, you know, blah, Nobody cares.
You know, all of a sudden, just adopt a pro-white working animus stance.
And if you're sitting there thinking it's going to happen one day, it's just not.
They're going to be in bed with administration.
They're going to be basically tools of your management.
And the kind of boondoggles that they'll throw you down are only there to distract you and to keep you engaged in this fruitless, these fruitless endeavors.
It's almost like the Republican Party and how it exists purely to keep the European man distracted in this country.
The same as with these unions.
Exactly.
So if you can somehow maybe take these unions over, cool, try it.
But whether or not you do or don't, you have to strike.
If you want to see change and if you actually want to make the job better, you have to strike completely and unapologetically.
Time for white strike.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah, the spirit and the heart and the, I say revolutionary in quotes, prescriptions that you have for making corrections actually correct were wonderful.
And then as I was reading it, I was like, this doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, absent the type of complete system overhaul as so many on our side advocate and which Germany saw for one brief shining moment in its history.
But yeah, we'll never get there if you don't identify the problem, propose solutions, and get people thinking in a different way.
And you did an absolutely wonderful service to our people and to America.
And I say that not with any white nationalist sense, but even black families out there, criminals, guys behind bars who need to be treated more humanely, the good ones that are out there who might actually do some time.
And if they're not scarred too much, get out and be productive again.
It's a wonderful book with tons of sordid and heartwarming and heartbreaking tales.
It's all across the board.
And I got to ask, why did you write it?
What was, because it's hard work writing a book.
What was in your mind when you set out to do this?
That's actually an interesting question.
And to avoid being a little bit, you know, I guess doxy, this is exclusive content for Full House.
I did not leave corrections on my own accord.
I was actually almost forced out, so to speak.
So my impetus behind this book was more of a, I think, a spiteful approach.
I had a lot of anger and kind of mixed max emotions that I needed to express in some way.
So I started writing the book a long time ago, and eventually it kind of boiled out to what we have now.
It was a labor of love, but these are things that people need to know.
And a lot of the things that I talk about in this book, yeah, there's a lot of crazy prison stories and stuff, but when it comes to like, you know, respect and dignity for working class people, these are things that can be applied to any job that has, you know, any job, any job at all.
I don't care what it is.
I don't care if you're a teacher, any sort of aggressive nonsense.
I don't care if you're a carpenter, a plumber, an operating engineer, a construction worker.
You have to say enough for yourself.
And there are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of full house listeners out there.
I say this sincerely, with their own stories from work or life that deserve to be told.
How long did it take you to write the book?
And what was your process?
Did you write a little bit every day?
Did you sit down in these really long sessions and bang it out?
It was kind of a little bit.
I'm at a time.
I would kind of visit it in small sessions.
You know, whenever I would have a memory of something crazy that happened, I would make sure to take notes about it because I definitely wanted to add it into the book.
It's clocking in the heart, the actual physical copy is only like 190 pages.
It's probably Antelope Hill's most pedestrian read.
So it's not, it's not crazy.
It's not going to take you forever to read it.
It's just, it's not big-brained.
It's like normal.
It's right, right.
You know, anyone can pick this up, read it, and enjoy it, understand what I'm saying.
There was a lot more originally.
My original plan was to, my original plan, I was going to call it Live in the Dream.
It's the ABCs of life in a state in a prison.
And I was going to have each chapter be a letter of the alphabet.
And when I proposed that to Antelope Hill, they were like, I'm not really a fan of that kind of idea, but if you could just give us some of your best stuff, you know, and let us know.
I was like, okay, cool.
So I assured that I condensed it.
Coach, you edited it.
Fantastic, fantastic job of editing the book.
Thank you.
I wasn't going to say anything, but it was my pleasure to take a look at the manuscript and make some suggestions.
And it was fun to do.
Just a little bit of wordsmithing, all the heart and all the content was already there.
Yeah, I got to get those.
That's right, Sam.
Yeah, full candor, the birth panel.
Mr. Producer, of course, is a good egg.
And he, when I said that we were going to have Jack on, he was like, okay, I'm going to buy the book and read it.
And the other guys were like, hey, coach, can you give me a little more time next time before I have these authors on?
So sorry, guys.
You know, February is book month.
So, yeah.
Excellent.
I appreciate that.
And all the outpouring of support I've heard from people.
People are telling me that this is the first book they got off Antelope Hill.
And I am super honored to hear stuff like that, considering all the great stuff that's on there.
I would highly recommend before you buy my book, you go out and you buy The Burning Souls by Leon DeGrel.
Patrick Pierce.
Patrick Pierce.
I expected writing to Patrick Pierce first.
Yeah.
Either one.
Either one.
I just don't know what I would write about.
I know.
I have a burning soul of my own to write a book.
And I actually sat down and started writing some pages, but that is not quite ripe yet.
No, I'm going to do it.
I can't die without writing.
I'm such a slow writer.
Even my speech.
I wrote that speech months ago as an essay, and you read it for me and looked at it.
And I just sat on it because I was like, I don't know.
And then it was like, hey, you're speaking.
And I was like, oh, all right.
Oh, yeah, you're a dry run.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you did one dry run.
I was like, just kick it up a little bit.
And you did great.
But like, it took me that what started as an essay and then became the speech.
Like, it took me so long to actually finish writing that.
I think I talked to Mr. Producer about it even weeks before I started actually writing anything.
I was like, I just kind of have a good idea for writing something.
Yeah, you did.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yep.
Absolutely.
I got one more for you, Jack, and then we'll bring this puppy home.
One other among many themes that we didn't even touch on in this interview is that diversity, the multiculti imperative, is absolutely infecting corrections, both in terms of enforcement, both in terms of the affirmative action policies that are letting gangbangers and people with absolutely nefarious intentions into corrections.
So it's getting worse out there like everything else before it can possibly get better.
But what's getting worse about corrections from what you saw?
You're correct in saying that.
It is definitely getting worse.
One of the most notable things that I've noticed, especially with New York state corrections, last year, I don't remember when, but what they've actually done is they've removed the test that it takes to they need to pass in order to become a corrections officer.
So you no longer have to pass an exam in order to apply.
Basically, what they have to do now is pass a physical and you're in.
Now, one could assume as to why, but I know exactly why.
It's because they want more minority, non-white corrections officers in these lockups to police their own.
Without that test, you know, all of a sudden the barrier is a lot lower.
Oh, yes.
So let's dig there real quick.
I hope the audience doesn't mind that we're just going with a super long full house here into the close.
But do you think that they want, I would assume that they want these sort of supine drones, just like in the military, right, to just follow orders, even if competence is damned.
But you think it's racial in terms of a non-white corrections officer corps will be better at handling these people?
Or what is the system actually thinking in its high mind?
It's interesting because I think that they probably want less whites donning a blue uniform simply because at that point the state is less liable for these acts of violence.
There's all of a sudden no longer this racial animus to it.
If you have, say, a black CEO go out of hand with an inmate who happens to be black, it's a lot easier to kind of keep that hush than it would be otherwise.
These lawsuits all of a sudden diminish.
But it also has the effect of breaking union solidarity because minority corrections officers, all of a sudden, if they have a union card and they're going to these meetings, they're more likely to vote for and accept terrible contracts and raises from the administration than they would if it was all whites.
Because we do have that solidarity that just doesn't exist.
A lot of minority CEOs come from places like the city.
They'll take a long bus ride or a train to these places.
And to them, even the worst of contracts is still great for them and their family.
So they'll take it.
But whites is a little bit different.
So it's a combination.
It's this perfect storm of stuff that no matter what happens, the state's going to win.
Yep.
MP says they want a union bust with diversity.
And I have a plumber, a guy who went into the plumbing trade and studied his ass off and passed all the tests.
And then he had these mouth-reading non-whites in his essentially the class before they go out in the field.
And he's like, how the hell did these people possibly pass that test?
And upon scratching the surface, they either got graded on a curve or didn't even have to pass the test just against all principles that we hold dear, like working hard and competence and being responsible for your own performance.
Absolutely.
Yeah, it's just atrocious.
And you know, and while we still have these things in place, you know, like a majority white workforce in corrections, especially, you know, again, I always talk about corrections in terms of how I viewed it, which was from New York State.
You know, you need to capitalize on the advantages that you have now before it's too late.
Because what the things I talk about in this book are only going to happen if you act quickly.
If in 10 years' time, you could have a CO makeup that is just, it's just not going to be used to you as a white working class individual.
Yep, Brazilian prisons, here we come.
I was so tempted to ask you about the grossest tale from the book, which Mr. Producer said, I'll never look at a grape the same way again, but we're not going to do that.
We're not going to do it.
We're going to leave it as a teaser for the audience and to spare more precious ears.
So, Jack, thank you so much.
Everybody listening to this, buy Live in the Dream, whether you get it on it's available as an e-book, I believe, as well as hard copy, right?
It is, yeah.
We have the physical copy, we have an e-book.
Hopefully, we do an audio book soon.
Um, Coach, if you wanted to read that, I'd be honored.
Um, well, yeah, yeah, Mr. Premier says, I have the e-book.
Yes, I want to do the e-book, but uh, I can't steal the job from you.
That would be like my don't buy it from Amazon, you bastards.
Do not buy from Amazon.
I don't care if that's easier or whatever gay reason you have, buy directly from Antelope Hill.
It's cheaper, too.
It's cheaper to get it from Antelope Hill, so I don't see why you wouldn't.
But yes, Smasher is correct.
Get it straight from the website, please.
All right, and I will practice my vocalizing to compete with Jack for his own book.
Thank you so much, buddy.
Before we go around the horn, anything that you want to get out to the audience before we bring this puppy home?
You know what?
Thanks for the opportunity, everyone.
You know, the movement's been great.
It's amazing to be here.
If you know anyone who is in like a who got like fired from corrections or law enforcement from a job and who really got jammed up because of like crazy progressive policies in the workplace, send me an email.
Send me an email.
I want to know about it because I think by next book, I'm going to start exploring options there and kind of tell people stories who might be too afraid or don't have the resources to do it.
And of course, you can contact me.
It's in the book there.
Let me see with my email.
Yeah, I have an email for you, but I don't know if that's private or anonymous.
I have one specifically for this particular scenario.
So it's Jack underscore McCracken at activist.com.
You can also see me on Instagram.
It's at mccracken.books.
But yeah, it was great being here.
Thank you so much.
Our great pleasure and honor.
Thank you for your service.
And to any ladies listening, just imagine Jack is a lonely prisoner behind bars, tall, Aryan, and handsome.
No, don't send him lewds, but hey, if Borzoi can find love through writing, then so can Jack.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Sammy, wild dog.
You're off the show for overindulgence on show night.
No, I'm kidding.
Thank you, buddy.
Oh, man.
Hey, this coming Sunday is St. Valentine's Day.
St. Valentine is my patron saint.
And I want you and all the listeners to know that I'm praying for everybody on the full house call every week, all the guys you've had on here, as well as all the guys and their ladies.
And this is a St. Valentine's Day is a day for celebrating our people's marriage.
And my heart goes out to all of you.
Thank you for that, Sam.
Don't forget Valentine's Day, even if you think it's Valenstein's Day.
We won't do that that bit.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Let's, yeah.
Young guy was like, my girlfriend said she wanted flowers on Valentine's Day, and that's gay.
And all the women in the chat were like, get her flowers, dumbass.
It's one day out of the year.
All right.
Now, the real reason that the show is not a full two hours this week is that Smasher's feats are cold and he said he's tired and wants to go to bed.
Buddy, it's always fun and refreshing to have you in the studio here.
And this is going to be the real studio one day.
It's legit.
Write to our political prisoners.
Yes.
Write to our political prisoners.
Stop being a faggot.
Write to them.
I don't care.
The government already has your name.
Just write to them.
They can't do anything with it legally.
Use a fake name.
You faggot.
Stop being a faggot.
Yes.
Amen.
And to write to our political prisoners, the one site that I know is Global Minority Initiative, which may or may not be run by Parrot or whatever.
I don't know.
Okay.
Who cares?
Just get the information from it.
Sure.
And speaking of political prisoners.
Write to Will Fears.
Will Fierce has not been getting shit.
He's depressed and he deserves it.
He's a nice guy.
A little bit of a spur.
I'll say it.
But he's a really nice guy.
Global Minority Initiative on Telegram has a whole host of prisoners.
JO JO has given out enough names on this show and in the show notes and all that that there's more than enough guys to write to and keep them company.
It's just about keeping them company, you know?
Write them a letter, you know, warm, warm their hearts.
Yeah, it feels good for you, the writer, and it feels probably a whole lot better for them to get a piece of tangible mail behind the wire.
And speaking of political prisoners, I, too, have been doing my duty, not enough, but occasionally in writing to these guys.
And I got a letter the other day in which I wanted to excerpt one moving passage.
And he writes, from what I have been seeing on the news, things are getting spicy out there.
We are arriving at a juncture which has been faced by the greatest men in the history of Western civilization in which we are faced with the realization that the only future we have is the one that we are willing to create against all odds and by any means necessary.
Heroes of the past would be envious at the simultaneous purity and magnitude of the struggle we face.
We're all in.
And those words, ladies and gentlemen, are from a guy who's on 24-7 lockdown due to COVID, who's missing his family and is hemmed up on some political BS.
So if he can stand strong and committed and look forward to working for our future, then you sure as hell can too.
That man's unironically my hero.
That's right.
Everybody, thanks especially to Jack for your service, for your writing, and for coming on Full House.
No, honor.
It's been an honor.
Thank you so much for having me.
You bet.
Sam, Mr. Producer and Smasher, you guys are okay too waiting for your books.
Although, Sam, that reminds me, I got to get the next chapter of your autobiography up on the site, and I will do that tomorrow.
And Full House for giving it that little bit of editing touch that you have from place to place.
I appreciate that.
You bet.
And we got a listener who wrote in his own sort of short manifesto that I sat down.
Yeah, I'm a little bit of a perfectionist when it comes to the word to a fault.
So that's part of the delay in some of these things is that I can't do it half-assed.
People, I can't frame a room to save my life, but I can spin a yarn or do some wordsmithing.
So everybody's got to be good at something, as my old man said.
Full House episode 79 was taped in an almost prison-like environment here in the wilds of Appalachia, February 11th, 2021.
And it is still February 11th.
Follow us on all the places you will see in the show notes.
So, to all of our Full House family sincerely concerned that being a dissident in post-America might land you in hot water, first pick up Live in the Dream at Antelope Hill Publishing.
Keep your noses clean, but never cower or shirk.
Now, to close us out this week, it is an absolute crime that through 79 shows or 78 shows, we never once played ACDC.
And I remember hearing that ACD, much better song than ACDC song.
No, no, no, no.
Much better songs, much more.
Maybe we'll do a double header.
I'll think about it after we close this out.
But I remember back in the day, like white nationalists crapping on ACDC, and it almost made me a civic nationalist or a Democrat or a progressive.
So we're doing it up one G D it.
And this is from 1976, and it's perfect.
You better love it.
You can even sing it along with your kids.
And it's jailbreak.
We love you, fam.
And we'll talk to you next week.
There was a friend of mine on murder.
And the judge's gavel fell.
Tory found him guilty.
Gave him 16 years in hell.
He said, I ain't spending my life here.
I ain't living alone.
Ain't breaking the rocks on the chain gang.
Breaking out and heading home.
I'm gonna make a chain break.
And I'm looking towards the sky.
I'm gonna make a chain break.
I wish that I could fly.
All in the name of liberty.
All in the name of liberty.
Echo me.
Let me out of here.
Damn it.
16 years.
Damn it.
That's all that I can take.
Damn it.
His and head in his baby be another man.
She was down and he was up.
Had a gun in his hand.
Look started farm everywhere.
People started to scream.
Big man lying on the ground with the hole in his body where his life might be.