From sadness over losing the joyous freedoms of summer to dread of the return of early mornings and late-night homework to the god-awful jingles and print ads that would start showing up obscenely in late July every year.
But after this past year, with lockdowns, social distancing, canceled sports, and travel, and play dates, and road trips, and even visits to grandma and grandpas, I wouldn't blame anyone for welcoming a return to a semblance of normalcy, whether you homeschool or out school.
And tonight, we have a very special guest in store for you all.
Public school teacher will pull back the curtain on the realities of what's going on behind the doors of the institution so many of us still send our precious progeny to for a majority of their waking hours.
So, mr producer, ring the bell.
Welcome everyone
to episode 62 of Full House, the world's most scrutinizing show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole bio fam.
I am your mostly mended host, Coach Finstock.
Had the world's worst man cold ever this week, if you can still hear it in my voice.
That's why this show is a little bit late.
But we are back with another, maybe just one-hour show dedicated to educational programming.
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And with that, let us get on to our cozy birth panel this week.
First up, I don't have a witty or bancy introduction for him because he just parachuted into the show last minute.
Hey, I'm here, ready to go.
And he brought his delightful wife along for the ride this week.
And something did just come to mind.
Just today, I was out weed whacking and I found my grandfather's hammer.
Real cute, fun story.
When my grandfather died, my father took a lot, if not all, of his tools.
Some of them he needed and used, others he just put away in storage.
And then he gave me some of the keepers when it was time.
So I have some, you know, grandpa Finstock originals that I actually hold near and dear and a hammer that I always use went missing.
We suspect it was a junior smasher, but regardless, it don't matter.
It turned up today.
And welcome, Smashers.
Happy to have you both on.
Hey, glad to be here.
Glad to have drugged my wife here by hair kicking and screaming.
Down the steps, watch a little bond.
Well, I'm not usually here.
So it was quite a change of scenery for me.
This is, I'm usually in the basement in my cage.
Well played.
Yes.
And I should have mentioned that your toddler was a prime suspect in the hammer.
But as I told Smasher, all's well that ends well.
And it really is heartwarming that he just loves going for the tools, just like his old man.
I am actually very glad that you found it because I was legitimately concerned that the boy absconded with it.
And I have never seen it.
Sure.
And I do keep close tabs on all the hammers that he has.
So I was worried that he did something.
No, yeah.
Yeah.
And I told Smasher, I was like, hey, if you wouldn't mind just looking in your collection in case he stashed it, that would be great.
I was not, of course, going to be angry in the slightest because he really is cute when he just picks up whatever he can grab.
But yeah, I was a little bit sad to lose Grandpa Finstock's hammer.
And alas, we got that back.
Anyway, delighted to have you guys on.
Sam and Jo are Road Warriors this weekend.
So we're going to move on then to our very special guest this week.
Sometimes Full House fans reach out with such good stories and content and individual talents that we just have to invite them on.
Don't mess it up, special guest.
She's like, all right, can I talk now?
Yeah.
Our special guest tonight is a public school teacher in a suburban district.
She is our gal.
She was a listener to the fatherland and came this way toward Full House.
And we are absolutely delighted to welcome Heidi on tonight.
Oh, God, it's a lady.
Welcome, Heidi.
Oh, God.
There's a woman in the chat.
Two of them.
Hello.
This is.
I know.
We're disgusting.
I can't believe it.
Absolute simps.
How are you, Heidi?
I'm doing wonderfully.
How are you?
Aside from my little sniffles that as soon as I got on mic, Mr. Producer was like, Oh, coach, you sound sick.
I'm like, crap.
I feel good.
But anyway, enough about me.
Heidi, we are subjecting you.
We haven't done this in a while, but and we haven't done it to a female guest yet, except for Smasher's wife and my wife when they came on.
But please, by all means, let us know your ethnicity, your religion, and your motherhood status.
All right.
I'm a pretty typical American mutt.
I have a lot of English, a lot of German, some French, and some Nordic in me.
Religiously, I am Norse pagan, heathen, Alcatrue, whatever you care to call us.
Cool.
And I have no children yet, but my wedding is in just a few months, and we're going to start trying after that.
So hopefully by next year, there will be a little one here.
Outstanding.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Little follow-up there.
How did you find your way into that religious environment and what were you raised?
My parents were kind of agnostic, but we were the only not Christian family in a very, very Christian town.
So it was very obvious, and we stood out because we didn't go to church.
And so I was very aware of the religious differences early on.
And as I got a little bit older, I started doing my own research and meeting other pagans in the wild.
And when I moved to where I live now, I found a huge group of heathens.
And I had already sort of been halfway there, but I fully converted once I met a big group of people with the same beliefs as me.
And we've lived happily ever after ever since.
Very cool.
So, and you are a true believer in the old ways then, or is it more cultural for you?
I am definitely a true believer.
I came into it through the more spiritual side of things, which can oftentimes be a lot of silly mumbo jumbo.
But I think that underneath of it all is a thread of truth.
And I know a lot of people with some very crazy supernatural stories that I think can't just be passed off by the normal world.
Sure.
Well, very cool.
If you have any suggested reading that you want to put in the chat, obviously we're welcome to all faiths on Full House.
Well, a few of them are excluded.
And Heidi was kind enough months ago to tell us a little bit of a horror story from public schools.
And then she followed up recently.
I thought, oh, God, it's back to school.
This would be perfect to have you on.
So thank you again.
And I just want to say up at the top here that it's our objective with the show is not to dump on public schools for the sake of dumping on them.
Now, it may turn out that they deserve it through and through, wherever they are, you know, rich, poor, urban, rural, suburban.
But we're just going to get your unvarnished takes tonight.
And then the listener can make their own judgments as to whether that's something that should concern them with their own individual circumstances.
I went to public school my whole life, except for college.
And look at how I turned out right now.
Yeah, cautionary tale.
Smasher, too.
So, yeah.
However, let's start at the top if we could.
And why did you get into teaching?
Oh, go ahead, Smasher.
What school do you teach at?
Yeah.
The Adolph Hitler School for Friendship and Tolerance.
Oh, me too.
One day.
Yeah, that's called home school.
Yeah.
Yeah, we don't want to probe too much, but is it fair to ask whether it's elementary, middle, or high school?
Or yeah, I work in an elementary school.
I work with the younger kids.
Okay, so that's important.
That's important, right?
Because I think a lot of parents suspect that, oh, at least elementary school is safe because the kids are young and they're not totally programming them right out of the gate.
But we shall see.
But from the top, why did you get into teaching?
And yeah, has it been everything you thought it would be?
I like the idea of being able to work with the kids.
And I sort of had this naive idea that a person could go into a school and they couldn't change things, but they could be, you know, a good example of a white person and just stand strong and make little pushes towards what is right and try and make a positive influence on the school environment.
And so I got into it trying to do that and trying to make a positive change and put the right ideas in people's heads.
But the longer I've been here, the longer I've realized that that's not really how it works.
The smart kids aren't interested in what you're saying.
They learned that it was all bull too long ago and the dumb kids aren't going to listen.
So.
Wow.
Even in elementary school.
And you said it is a diverse school.
Is it?
Yeah.
What's the rough breakdown?
Probably 75 to 80% non-white.
Okay.
And probably more than half of those are African American.
Okay.
Are you going to stay with it or are you sort of inching towards the exits?
I am looking for another career path as we speak.
I have not had the best luck of it, but that's because of the pandemic and the economy and whatnot.
Have you tried getting on Government Gibbs?
It's a very good career.
I don't think I have a good enough excuse to get on Government Gibbs, unfortunately.
Not with that attitude.
My own experience has been that transferring the skills that you acquire working in an actual school, they're not quite the most versatile and transferable skills that there are.
So what do you mean?
Our entire society is based on handling Negroes.
Well, if I could put that on a resume.
But teachers don't really.
Zoologists get paid well.
I'm sorry.
Darwin is famous.
They stay in the career or they have to go back and get a different bachelor's degree to switch careers.
There's really not a lot of nuance there.
There really isn't.
I know a lot of co-workers who are pretty sick and tired of the way things are going, but don't have very many other options.
Yeah.
I mean, there's always like the daycare option or the home nanny option or whatever, but those are arguably worse than a public school.
So it's unfortunate that a lot of people spent, they come into the education, the whole sphere of learning and they're passionate and idealistic.
And then once they get inside of a public school, it's not what they thought it was.
And there's really no going back.
It's you have to commit or you have to shell out another 20 for a different bachelor's degree.
Heidi, so you're, are you completely disillusioned with education or at least public education as an institution or as a line of employment?
Or would you consider switching to private or parochial or maybe just going to a more rural, whiter district?
I think that some of the private schools and some of the rural white districts are significantly better than the sorts of places that I have to deal with, which is really middle of the road, all things considered.
And I think that at the current state of things, you can still flee a couple more exits down and find somewhere that's not too bad.
But I think that the time for that is rapidly going away.
Yeah, I agree.
I've spoken with a lot of dads over the past, well, first, real, real quick reference.
I was honored to attend a private meeting, assembly, gathering of a lot of high quality white men and a few women who stop by to say hello and help out.
It was great to see them.
It was wonderful.
But as part of that, I talked to a lot of dads and from upper New England down into deep south Appalachia, from elementary up to high school, a lot of the same stories of cultural pause, at least, if not, you know, might not be diverse, might not be dangerous, but that even in elementary schools, they are starting with the,
one dad told me a story about his son or daughter coming home with a story about a boy who wanted to be a mermaid.
Not a merman, but a mermaid.
Oh, boy.
And not from a place.
What's that?
No, movies about mermans.
Yeah, I know.
Mermaid.
Right?
Yeah.
Splash.
Yeah.
Updated for 2020.
All right.
So, yeah.
So you, you're basically saying you've seen enough.
Not too excited about starting over down the, down the freeway.
Yeah, I'm not really thrilled.
I hope that in the next few years, we'll be able to swing it so that I can just be a housewife and homeschool my own kids.
Oh, be still our hearts.
Yeah, right.
Wouldn't that be the dream?
And you're not just saying that.
Sure, absolutely.
And yeah, I still have a couple priors where I'm a little bit allergic to the trad thing, like women belong at home in slippers, cooking meals and taking care of the kids.
For one, because my wife is bright and very competent, and that might not be the absolute best use of her time.
And also because it's like, yo, yeah, you can call me a simp.
That's fine.
I thought you were going to say, no, that's bullshit.
She dumb.
He knows better.
Yeah, scaredy cat.
Yeah.
Yeah, there you go.
You'll be tempered for Coach's wife.
Yeah.
But it's also a little bit of a fetish, I think, for some guys, you know, the Wheat Fields thing.
However, I think probably for the vast majority of women, that is not just good and rewarding and right, but it's what's best for our families and for our children.
But yeah, that's wonderful.
And we wish you luck and absolutely keep us posted as your adventure goes along.
But let's skip, you have a ton of stories all over the map, and we want to get to them here in an hour.
We can go over if we have to.
But the first thing I think that you reached out to us to was something that I thought in my mind sounded like disparate discipline.
And as parents, when you send your kids to school, even aside from pause and like the quality of education, is you want them to be safe.
You want them to come home without a shiner or emotional baggage too.
So let us in on a little bit of the horror of non-POC or I guess POC non-discipline, as you seem to describe it.
The behavior system that I originally emailed you to talk about was called conscious discipline.
And it is a behavior system created by a woman named Dr. Becky Bailey.
I tried to smash that early life.
There's not a whole lot of information on her.
Sounds like it works like a wasp.
Okay.
But she might be a crypto Jew.
The world will never know.
But the core philosophy of conscious discipline and a lot of other behavior systems in that vein is that children rebel because adults are judgmental and disrespectful of them.
And if you fix the judgment and disrespect and they still act out, then that means they're probably being abused at home.
So what it does is it sort of presents the problem and the solution to the gullible teacher who wants to learn how to use this new program.
And then when it doesn't work, the teacher doesn't have to feel responsible because it's because of their home life.
They're being abused or indoctrinated with values that are not congruent with the school family, which is a term they like to use for their sort of school utopia where everyone is happy and gets along.
Now, Devil's Advocate real quick.
It's not inconceivable that a lot of kids with really poor discipline or aggressive behaviors at school are getting abused or severely mistreated, especially in a diverse school district.
So, I mean, is that not fair a little bit, or is it really just a cop-out in the way to give teachers a pass?
I believe it is absolutely fair to a degree.
I mean, if you work in a diverse school, you're going to see a little bit of child abuse.
However, the way that it usually works out is, well, this kid isn't responding exactly how I think they should.
Therefore, it's because of their own internal trauma.
And it doesn't necessarily try and convince the teacher that, you know, they need to call child services or get them to tell the teacher about what's going on at home, but more an idea that the kids can't really do better.
It's not their fault.
It's the home environment's fault.
Well, how about at school?
I mean, a lot of parents worry that their sweet kids that they raised and kept at home through five years of age or six years of age, whatever it might be, they go to school and then the school is going to change them, you know, change the way they think, change their behavior patterns, program them, et cetera.
From what you've seen, do the efforts of elementary school education, indoctrination, whatever you want to call it, does it change kids?
Is it really seeping into their bones or more water on a pane of glass?
Well, Dr. Becky Bailey in this big book that I was given during one of my training sessions has a big chapter about reprogramming mental CD-ROMs.
And the first section is about reprogramming your own mental CD-ROM to not judge in action.
So the first thing that you need to be able to do is to have no judgment whatsoever and simply be able to see that one thing happened and not attach emotion to it.
And then once you can do that, supposedly you can be more multicultural and more accepting of all of the different views because you don't get that knee-jerk reaction.
And once you have done that, you pass that on to the kids.
And they teach this CD-ROM technique to try and train them out of those ingrained behaviors from home.
And sometimes, I'm sorry.
Oh, no, I was just going to say this.
This reminds me, I can't remember exactly which one it was, but one of the ghoul drawings where for those that aren't familiar, he's like, simplistic memes, yeah.
Simplistic memes of these people saying, you know, saying this thing that when you read it, it sounds ridiculous, but that's actually, you know, what they're doing.
And I remember one of them that was basically of, you know, I don't have any responsibility over this.
It's not my fault that black people are shooting each other.
That's just who they are.
And it's wonderful, you disgusting racist.
Like, not wrong to a certain extent, right?
Yeah.
You're right.
Yeah.
Evelyn, you for, well, I don't know for a long time, but I definitely remember you saying, you know, pushing back on the assumed homeschool imperative and sharing what is a conventional wisdom among a lot of people, including a lot of grandparents out there get really sad or really anxious when you start talking about homeschool and keeping your kids out of schools for all the obvious reasons.
The socialization, the discipline, the schedule, you know, the breadth of public schools do have a lot of assets.
They're usually not hard up for funding, at least in a lot of states.
And you were like looking back on your own public school memories and saying like, no, I kind of want my kids to go to public school and get that same experience.
Are you still there?
Or are you starting to question that?
That's a really fine line because my own experience as a professional in the education, the entire industry, I disagree with a lot of the standardized testing, the structure.
You know, you have eight classes in a day.
Like there's just a lot that I don't agree with.
But I look back at my own experience in high school and the wonderful experience that I had is what actually I went, I became a high school teacher because of how great my high school experience was.
It's the only time in my life and I'm sure everybody else's life that you can pursue literally all of your hobbies for free or nearly free.
You were a high school teacher?
I was.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, that's.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Ignorant coach.
Did the students hit on you?
Did they wink at you?
Yes.
Literally about 75% of the reason that I had to quit because it was a majority black school.
And I mean, you've seen me, I'm not a very big person.
And it was very, I mean, it was sexual harassment daily.
And not even the principal could remember that I was staff.
They would ask me for a hall pass in the hallway.
But it was also, you know, a little naive of me to think that I could be 21 and 22 and work in a high school successfully.
That dynamic is completely inappropriate.
Especially a black one.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
I had a similar experience before I started doing the job I'm doing now.
I was a substitute teacher and I started doing that right out of high school.
And I started doing some high school classes.
And it was nice because I could just sit at my desk and not really do anything.
Because, hi, I'm your substitute.
Here's your paper.
Do your work.
And then I don't care what you do.
But a lot of the kids that I was teaching weren't only bigger than me, but some of them were older than me.
Yes.
You'll find in those high black inner city school districts, they let you have until like 21 to graduate high school.
I mean, you really get a lot of chances.
And so many of them are on probation or have been on like basically like a like a sabbatical because they were juvy, you know?
And then they come back and they're like, yeah, I'm 20.
I'm ready to start sophomore year.
Oh, boy.
So, Heidi, you're saying that you didn't teach those kids advanced calculus and lead them to victory in a national contest?
Like High Memorialis.
Oh, no.
Not a heartwarming Hallmark movie or anything.
No.
Apparently, Stand and Deliver just sounded too good to be true.
And I remember they showed that movie probably multiple times in high school.
And you're like, okay, maybe I was credulous then.
And if it smells fishy, yeah, they were probably cheating or getting coached.
I think there's more to meet the eye than that.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stand and deliver.
It's about a, yeah.
No, they were black and Hispanic in some Los Angeles school district.
And James Edward almost like discovers this new key to teaching calculus to inner city youth.
And yeah.
You just gotta, you just gotta give them a job at NASA.
Yeah.
And I think they like passed, they all passed the AP calculus.
And then like the AP program was like, you must have cheated.
That was the key of the movie.
But all right.
Let me just round out your question though.
Yeah.
Please sorry.
It kind of went off on a tangent.
But it's kind of relevant.
Like it was specifically my like stellar high school experience that inspired me to want to be a high school teacher.
And I was really passionate about it.
And I couldn't wait to like get out there and do it.
And long before I know what I know now, I really thought that I was going to be like the angel that went to the inner city school and I was going to teach, I was going to be the savior, right?
I was going to be the white woman savior.
And not to mention that if you work in a low-income school, you get a certain amount of your student loans forgiven.
But there was a, I was really, really biased in my own stellar experience.
And I'm thinking about my own kids.
And like, I want them to be able to, you know, have their little romances in the hallway between classes and sit at lunch with their friends and go to band class.
Romances in the hallway may go a long way.
They may be.
That is where I met my fantastic husband.
There you go.
In the hallway of high school.
But so many things were great to be able to participate in like all of your sports that you want and the activities and the socialization.
And I don't want my kids to miss that.
But I also recognize the rapidly changing environment that is becoming public schools.
And even from the time that I graduated high school, things have changed so much.
And like, but the Reviewing the changes and comparing it to how it was when I was there, it just makes me feel like my kids are two, you know, they're going to be 10 to 12 more years before they go to school.
So at the rate that we're accelerating, what's it going to look like at that time?
So I, even, even if I said this stuff two years ago about like wanting my kids to have that public school experience, I don't even think that's going to, that's relevant anymore.
And it's certainly not going to be relevant in 10 years.
Sure.
Well, it's going to be awkward for them too if you wait 10 or 12 years.
Yeah, if you wait 10 or 12 years, it's going to throw them right into sixth grade.
Yeah, it's going to be rough for them.
No, sorry.
No, yeah, I totally get it.
I mean, look, I went to public school 80s and 90s, kindergarten through high school, and the vast majority of my experience was just okay, right?
I had a couple of great teachers, had a couple of terrible teachers.
The vast majority were competent, or at least, you know, did the bare minimum, kept the trains rolling on time.
I only had one incidence in incident in middle school where an adolescent jogger just absolutely took it upon himself to chase me down.
And I thought he was going to pummel me to death, but that's one day out of many.
But regardless, yeah, it worked reasonably well for me and for our kids.
You know, I just want them to get a good education, be safe, and most importantly, not have them get mind you know-what did on a daily basis with the Frankfurt School, multi-culti, anti-white worship, your non-ancestors sort of thing.
A friend of ours said the other day that he had just moved to a new district and his son came home, I'm guessing middle school, and said the first history class was dedicated to the evils of Christopher Columbus and the glories of Indigenous people.
And this is not a guy to be trifled with.
And he was furious and is looking at solutions, not final solutions, but either moving the kids and stuff like that.
But yeah, you all have to make your educated decisions what's best for you.
We've done a homeschool episode, totally support homeschool.
I think a lot of the critiques or the questions about socialization and having programs and stuff like that can be helped by the homeschool collectives, which is maybe easier said than done, but they exist, of course, all over the country.
And there's also, I'm tempted to say, yeah, homeschool while you can, because I have a sneaking suspicion that, especially after COVID and all the rest, that more and more people, you saw the stats, something like 10 to 20% of parents are homeschooling this year, up from like five or 10 last year.
So that's going to take off in popularity.
And once public schools start losing their customers, which they have as the basis for their tax draws and their salaries and all the rest of the gibbs, you're going to see, I think, a clampdown on homeschooling coming.
But before we move on, I didn't want to cut anybody off.
Any other thoughts?
Destroy teachers.
Thank you, Smasher.
Yes, do.
That's what we don't pay for.
It's clear that diverse schools are physically dangerous for your white children.
And it's important that we're coming to the point where even white schools, they might not be physically dangerous, but they are culturally dangerous.
And turn you into a gay retard.
Eloquently put.
What you're known for.
But the things that it's inside of the textbooks, like the textbooks are different from even 10 years ago when you were in school.
And unless you are prepared to read your kids' textbook, read their assignments, check their agenda, blog on to whatever virtual classroom that they use and monitor what's being said, you know, your kids could be learning who knows what.
It's just a real commitment to monitor closely public school material.
If you send your kid to public school, you're going to have to homeschool them anyways.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's almost tempting for that to be a fact-of-life trial-by-fire thing, like, all right, this is what the system told you, and here's what mom and dad told you, as much of a gamble as that is that you can correct or amend things as they come in.
Uh, there's also a concern at what point they come home with their Holocaust textbook and they have to like make a diorama of Auschwitz.
I don't know.
You're like, no, you're not doing that.
And then the teacher is like, Well, you need to meet with the principal.
And the principal is like, You need to meet with the social worker.
And the social worker is like, We need to refer you to CPS for wrong.
Yeah, that is at what point does it become legitimately dangerous?
That's something that people really do need to consider because it's not quite like that now, at least in the United States when it comes to ideology.
But they already do a lot of calls to CPS.
All of the classroom people are mandated reporters.
And if you go too long without making any reports, or especially if something might slip past you, it's going to be on you and you're going to get a really strict talking to.
So you're encouraged to report everything all the time.
And unnecessary home visits are made because teachers are told if you don't report that little scratch, you might lose your job.
Yeah, I know a guy whose wonderful daughter made an offhand comment about a firearm at home.
And then they got a visit not too long thereafter.
Lawfully owned, of course, secured, et cetera.
So that is a huge concern.
The child protective services, like if Heidi, if I don't know about in elementary school, but yeah, let's say an elementary school kid says something like, oh, Hitler did nothing wrong, or yeah, my mom and dad owned guns.
Is that a real, that's a real security threat for mom and dad that they might get a knock at the door one day?
It very much is.
We had a situation at our school just the last school year where a student brought a gun.
He didn't bring ammunition and he never tried to use it.
So it never made big news.
But everyone has been very shaken up about that ever since.
Though on the day that that happened, we had a staff meeting to talk about it.
And this big old jogger lady with a doctorate, who was my boss at the time, comes up to the staff meeting and explains that a child brought a fully loaded semi-automatic revolver to an elementary school.
Oh, yeah, big brain there.
Very big brain.
Gun affection auto.
I mean, to be fair, of course, a kid bringing a gun to school is bad news and they deserve it.
Bad news is around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even when it's big news, they can't get it right.
All right.
How about any instances of wrong speak or wrong think getting institutional attention?
I have never seen that happen.
Students will get in very big trouble.
That's pretty much the only way you can get in trouble in a public school nowadays is to say something wrong to somebody and they getting them getting offended.
But for now, I think most people in America are safe unless their little kid really does go to school.
My mom loves Hitler.
Something, you know.
My kids can't go to public school.
I was just going to say, not out of the question for some of our audience.
Yeah.
Well, my main concern is: you know, you monitor closely your kids' work and they've got like an assignment or a chapter or something that you disagree with.
And you're like, well, my kid won't be doing that.
I demand that you provide some alternative form of extra credit.
And then it becomes, well, why can't they?
Why don't you agree?
Why should your kid speak to a counselor?
Should you speak to a counselor?
The question that that opens up when it were you to ever have an ideological problem with what they're learning.
And this is not something I experienced when I was in the system.
No, we well, I mean, because it was all black anyway.
So I was thinking back the other day to high school and like we used to just draw swastikas on everything.
Well, I didn't.
Well, me and the not with that attitude, Evelyn.
Yeah.
But we used to draw swastikas on like everything.
And we actually did a handshake and we would say white pride worldwide.
And we had like a little handshake that went with it.
And it never, it was never ideological.
Like we were just being like jacket.
You're shit posting.
Sure.
Posting, right?
Yeah.
And now I can't imagine.
It's a federal offense.
Yeah.
I'm thinking of the kids all doing the salute in the stands, whatever football game that was a year or two ago.
Yeah.
It's like, hello, 14-year-old.
Welcome to the federal penitentiary.
Yeah.
If you can imagine going toe-to-toe with your kids' teacher explaining why they can't learn this chapter on civil rights or why you will provide alternative, alternative learning materials, if you can't imagine yourself going toe-to-toe and winning, you might want to reconsider sending them to public school.
Yeah.
And that's, that's a real important question, right?
Because as a parent, you're like, okay, I can either fight this and then go to the school board meeting or to the principal's office and basically reveal my power levels in a diplomatic way and thus risk even further trouble, or I can cook and just like let it slide and then try to correct it at home or do the typical white thing and move to a white flight, essentially school edition and just yank them out and homeschool them or send them to private school.
Not easy answers there.
But Heidi, real quick, before we move on from discipline, you had mentioned previously something about an objective of zero POC suspensions.
What's that all about?
Yes.
So I'm not sure if this is every school in my district or every school in the country.
However, it is very common across the nation and that is a huge focus on POC suspension rates.
We had a staff meeting last year where she explained to us that in the year prior, we had had two or three POC suspensions and everyone clapped because that seems like a very nice number.
And then she told us that that was unacceptable and way too many.
And she chewed us out a little bit and she told us that if we want to pursue POC suspensions or other racist forms of discipline, we should reconsider our employment with the public schools.
Meanwhile, suspensions for white suspensions are still on the on the menu?
I suppose so.
Yeah.
It doesn't happen very often one way or the other, but they certainly don't keep the number hanging on the wall about how many poor white kids got sent home.
Yeah.
I got suspended.
That was not the case where I was because it was majority African American and sometimes they would majority what?
Sometimes they would physically assault the teachers and like get arrested.
So there was not a lot of gray area on what you could do for punishment because there was police in the school that worked there.
So it frequently wasn't an administrative issue.
It was a legal issue.
Yeah.
That is frightening.
You can't suspend me on that.
I'm sorry, Tyrone.
You're not being suspended.
You're 20.
You're under arrest.
Yeah.
Well, it's really just an extension of Trump's prison reform.
You know, it's an early adopter, yeah, lessening of discipline early on.
But Mr. Producer says, I was suspended all the time.
Smasher says, me too, LOL.
Yeah, I was guilty.
I used to do it on purpose.
I was only suspended once in high school for starting a food fight.
Yes, it's true.
I was corrupted.
No, you didn't.
I didn't believe that.
No, no, I was really feeling my oats.
And I was a conspirator toward the end of the year to starting a food fight.
And the principal knew it.
Like, he just saw me and he grabbed me by the shoulder and like threw me up against the change machine.
And of course, not being quick-thinking enough, you know, like minutes after, I was like, oh, I should have crumbled to the ground in pain and said, I'm, you know, my shoulder or whatever.
But yeah, I can't breathe.
Yeah, seriously.
Don't shoot.
It was awesome.
He pulled me into his office and he was like, well, Johnny said that you started it.
Do you have anything to say about that?
I'm like, I know you're clearly trying to get me to rat, sir, and I'm not doing that.
Even back then, I was a stalwart.
And yeah, they suspended me from Honor Society and I had to take all my finals after school or after the year was over.
It was good times.
I cringe a little bit because my son might listen to this one day and I can't say that I regret the memory.
But yeah, I deserve to be suspended for that one.
No regrets.
No regrets.
Heidi, how about with the advent of some schools are allowing part-time virtual schooling, some of them are all virtual, where the parents are on the hook for overseeing junior or dear daughter in their house.
You also were privy to some more disturbing material in that sphere.
Let us know what happened there.
Yes, we had another staff meeting about two days or a day before the online school started.
And the principal sat us down and she explained to us that it's really important to continue talking about equality, multiculturalism, social justice, and POC issues and things like that.
It's important to be aware of who's on the other side of the camera when you're teaching because there are conservative white parents in the district who might get upset with that kind of talk.
So when there are people in the room, they specifically said that conservative white parents.
I believe the exact words were certain people, you know, the type, the white conservative kind of parents.
Oh, man.
So pretty much, yes.
That right there is an admission of guilt.
Isn't it, though?
And it really makes you sick.
People tribunals.
That's all I'm going to say.
And this is cultural.
This is in their bones, right?
They're not responding to marching orders from the state capitol or from the school board or from the curriculum.
I would really highly doubt it.
I mean, the curriculum is obviously biased because the people who write the textbooks probably have that special sort of nose on them.
I mean, tell you for sure.
You're in the industry.
Say it ain't so.
Like, do you have good stories from public schools?
Do you know public school teachers who are, you know, in Valhalla on earth and it's wonderful and the kids are well-behaved and the curriculum's not paused?
The wealthier schools are a little bit nicer.
Most of the students behave a little bit better.
And it's somewhat better, but there's really not a whole lot of redeeming qualities to it.
Our school does have an after-school Christian club that they do, which I think is a little heartwarming that they're still allowed to do that.
I'm surprised, yeah.
Yeah.
And they have some group that goes and picks up some trash on the side of the road and a couple other little small community projects that I think are good.
And there are still some good teachers out there, mostly the older ones who had a few years of the good life before it got kind of weird and now it's just too late.
And you really, yeah, and you don't feel like you can, you can make a difference in these youngsters' lives.
I think that people would spend their time more wisely by putting that time into their own kids' lives.
Because, you know, if you spend your whole life working in a public school, you're going to make an impression on a few white kids.
But at the same time, is that going to be worth the time not spent with your own family when so many of the people who come out from under your care are going to become anarchists, drug addicts, or just more people who don't care?
Sure.
Yep.
Saw a beautiful meme the other day, very simple.
It was a young father and his baby, and then an older father, a little bit more grizzled with a beard.
It was like smasher before and after, you know, holding his son or daughter a little bit older.
And just the simple message was you'll never regret spending too much time with your kids when they're young.
And it's so true.
And I've been trying to stop and smell the flowers a little bit here with the kids before back to school and just, you know, just soaking it all in and putting aside the, you know, let's be honest, having kids at home 24-7 can make you want to pull your hair out.
You may raise your voice here or there and get frustrated.
And you just have to realize, of course, I said this in one monologue, that one day they're going to be grown up and out of the house and they're not going to want too much to do with you or spend too much time with you.
So try not to get frustrated with the little ones when they're still tugging at your shirt or your pants.
Take that time while you can.
I used to work in a program that had students from age three and up and seeing three and a half and four year olds being herded by negresses who are yelling at them, trying to keep them in a straight line while they're confused and don't really know where they're going is really heartbreaking because you know somewhere out there there's a mom who would rather be spending time with them, but instead they have to go to work or do whatever.
Sure.
Because I think in a lot of cases they don't want to send their kids there.
They just have to.
Yeah, I have some experience on the high school end and the early childhood end.
And I maybe it's probably a whole different episode, daycare and what daycare is like, but it's just I became ideologically opposed, not just like this sucks.
Other people's kids are, you know, hard to take care of.
There's not, we're short staffed, you know, like it became like an ideological moral thing for me that it was incompatible with my values.
It's heartbreaking to have to try and teach lessons that you know are obviously fake.
My MO has just been to make the really morally suspect lessons so boring that the kids aren't really going to pay any attention.
I put on my boring college professor voice and if they wiggle in their seat too much, I'll scold them because this is very, very important.
And, you know, just kind of sow that seed of, oh, God, they're talking about this again.
I hate it, which might possibly help things in the long run.
But it really is ideologically opposed to everything that we stand for.
And that's the very hard part of working with them.
Right.
And the absurdity of it becomes when you when you have kids and you're in anywhere in the education from from pre-K to high school and you're looking at these other people's kids and you're like, someone else is at home taking care of my kids while I'm here doing this bit.
And For what?
Because it doesn't pay well.
So you really have to, it makes you really question what your values are and how strongly you believe in the career meme.
Yeah.
I did get to teach one Holocaust class that was fun, though.
They teach Holocaust class to the special ed students.
I got to teach a couple very special boys and girls to say, Hitler, Hitler.
Harry Wiseby, our first producer, one of our earlier shows, he talked about making cattle cars out of popsicle sticks and tongue depressors as a special project.
But that, you know, that reminds me, I don't know if this is going to be a really tough question for both of our ladies who have worked in education or a softball, but we know that the enemy is listening and transcribing and wow, just wowing the idea that white, racially aware people might have the temerity to work in education.
And I think that they can't comprehend in their minds that we are capable of holding our views while also being professional and even-handed in our professional responsibilities, i.e., like going to a school and not being mean to Tyrone and just giving a pass to angelic little Madison or whatever her name might be.
But, you know, so you can tread carefully if you want to, but do you feel differently in your bones when you're teaching white or black kids?
Do you have a more maternal instinct toward kids that are of closer genetic lineage to you?
Or are you able to just, you know, treat them even and fairly like the job demands?
You're able to make a pretty good generalization on how a kid is going to behave based off the color of their skin and how they're dressed.
The better dressed black kids sometimes sit still.
The rest of them do not.
But I don't know, as a woman, they're all cute.
Even the little brown kids are really, really, really cute.
And it's hard to, I wouldn't want to just be mean to them.
Of course.
Kids are kids and they're largely innocent.
Exactly.
But at the same time, it's very easy to sort of see where they're going with whatever it is that they're doing because kids in and of themselves are not all that sneaky most of the time, anyways.
What's that little dark kid doing sneaking around back there?
I wonder.
Sure.
Evelyn.
It's remarkably easy, at least for me, to turn off like the wokeness to work in a school setting because at least where I was in a majority black school, I was clearly the odd one out.
I was like very much the target of harassment and criticism and all of that good stuff that eventually made me quit.
But it's remarkably easy to look at them and meet them where they are because they are what they are as a product of genetics and environment.
And unfortunately, it's not really their fault.
It's the fault of their parents and the cycle that they were born into.
And they are that way.
And they're here.
And that's just it.
You have to deal with them where they are.
And I don't ever want to set out to be intentionally disrespectful to anyone because I will always afford respect to someone unless they prove to me that they don't deserve it.
So in my experience in the classroom, all of my like personal, I don't want to say they go out the window.
My personal beliefs don't go out the window.
Like I, I still hold them and I am cognizant of them.
But my ability to interact and empathize and teach them or at least attempt to teach them is remarkably easy to separate from my own personal bias.
Yeah.
Well, this is something that I've thought about a lot.
Obviously, not as a legitimate professional teacher, but when we look at non-whites and we expect them to behave like white people, we do them a disservice, right?
And, you know, I understand the argument that, like, well, we should just shouldn't have to deal with them.
And I agree, like, yeah, we shouldn't, but we do because they're here.
So instead of like being obtuse and making it harder on you and them, meet them where they are because you understand where they are better than they do because you are the smart white person.
And that makes it easier if you approach it from a racialist standpoint of like, these people are what they are.
And it's not necessarily their fault.
I don't want to deal with them, but I have to.
So I'm just going to do it the best that I can.
And it's infinitely easier for people like us to understand that and execute whatever it is that needs executed versus the ignorant white shitlib who goes home and cries about Tyrone being mean to her and she doesn't understand what's going on with her classroom.
Yep.
Yeah.
Racial equality writ large is a lie and you do a disservice to yourself and to your students or your whoever you're working with to pretend otherwise.
It's just a fantasy and you'll get worse results without recognizing reality and dealing with it as it's dealt to you.
And the other thing is, yeah, little Tyrone didn't choose to be born black or he didn't choose to be born in a single parent household where he's possibly getting whooped for spilling his milk on the floor.
Well, to be frank, they're lucky if they're in a single parent household because many of them come from group homes and foster homes and they're raised by grandparents that are elderly.
I had a not to get too specific, but I had a situation once where the kid was coming to school.
He was taking his grandmother's Vicodin in the morning before he came to school.
And his grandma didn't even know what Vicodin was.
Like she didn't, she wasn't tracking what it did to kids.
And when she got called into the office, it was the very first parent-teacher conference I was invited to sit in on, and she didn't know.
She had no idea.
And it was like a nearly violent confrontation because they were like, he's high.
He's literally high.
He has to go to rehab.
And she's like, not my baby, not my baby.
And it's just the situations that some of these kids come from is very, very sad.
And it's no wonder they don't succeed in a public school setting.
Yeah.
If things are broken at home, it's one out of 100, if that, right?
Who can make it?
Yeah, you just wouldn't believe the substance abuse, the ages that it begins in some of these communities.
Yeah.
And those are the kids that your kids are probably going to be going to school with if you choose to go public.
Yep.
Yep.
Heidi, you talked about time is flying, but we're going to keep rolling as long as our guests are game because this is great stuff.
And I'm learning and enjoying myself.
Heidi, you talked about a diversity program.
Yeah.
Do you want to go on and talk about the diversity police?
Yeah, let's do that.
All right.
This is just a short little blip.
It's a story in the making.
But I received an email a couple weeks ago and it was asking for volunteers to join the school's new diversity and inclusion program to work under the diversity and inclusion officer.
And they were asking for POC volunteers to join their task force to make sure that the staff of the school were culturally competent.
So the Turner diaries are happening.
They're forming the POC police.
Yeah.
And we'll see where it goes from here.
Maybe if they do something egregious, I'll send a follow-up email so you can let the listeners know.
I'm sure they'll wonder.
Yeah, trial balloon, push to see what they can get away with.
Yeah.
Personal question.
I always found the bully question or the bully crisis to be weird.
I mean, this has been over a decade that I've heard about this like emphasis on bullying and public schools being a huge menace.
Is that a real thing?
Is that a valid response to a real problem?
Or is this like left-wing hand-wringing over boys being boys and all the rest?
I feel like the majority of it is hand-wringing.
There are absolutely always going to be kids who are exceptionally cruel to their peers.
But for the most part, a lot of the bullying is, oh no, she has cooties and she feels bad about it.
Or even people parroting their parents' conservative talking points and then being like called racist or otherwise phobic for parroting a talking point from grandma or something.
Yeah.
Didn't you say there was a like an elementary school racist allegation, a witch hunt already underway?
Yes.
Well, this was back when I was a substitute.
It was one of my first days in a super diverse classroom.
And as a substitute, you only need 20 hours of training.
So I got a short training course and I sat through one day in a classroom.
And then I had this.
So I went into this classroom and it is all black kids with one little white boy in the middle of the room.
And he was a stereotype.
He was just a little like Appalachian looking kid with that dirty blonde hair and all the freckles and overalls, very cute.
And the class is a mess.
And I'm sitting at my desk trying to wait for them to pretend to finish their work.
And this little black boy comes up to me and says that the white boy in the class called him the N-word.
And I had been keeping an eye out out of the corner of my eye.
And I know that that kid didn't get up from where he was.
He didn't do that.
So, you know, I gave the kid a scolding and sent him on his way because obviously there was nothing else that I could do.
But that just goes to show the way that these kids treat their white peers.
A kid sees a substitute, thinks she's gullible, and then goes and tells her that this white boy said the N-word, hoping to get him suspended or in trouble.
Sure thing.
Yep.
Tyrone starts a fight and says, oh, yeah, Billy called me nigger.
Exactly.
And then the kids themselves are amongst themselves unchecked.
Later that day, I was in the classroom reading a book to them about the zoo, and we were talking about the animals in the zoo.
And, you know, and some kid starts making animal noises, and his other friend starts going back and forth with him across the classroom.
And they kind of have their faces behind books thinking I can't see them.
Was it a simian sound by any chance?
You didn't want to recreate it for the show?
Oh, no, that's coming.
That's coming.
And so me, being a moron, made a snide comment about how it sounds like the zoo is in here today.
And they all start making animal sounds.
All of them.
You walked right into it like a good deed nuts joke.
They walked right into that cage, and then they were outside of it making monkey noises at me.
And I had to get the ISS teacher to come in and yell at them so they'd shut up.
Oh, you have ISIS teachers now?
Yeah, bass.
Base.
International Space Station.
Yeah.
Acronym fan here.
Being a substitute is abusive and thankless.
Oh, the worst job in the world.
Oh, why do people do it?
Just for the money?
You can pick your schedule.
No, not for the money.
Not for the money.
I'll tell you that.
For it's flexible and because a lot of people want to do it in order to get their foot in the door of the white school district where they want to work.
There you go.
Yeah, I like the subwork because if I embarrassed myself at one school, I could deliberately go somewhere else for putting it back in my rotation.
Like, oh, that is embarrassing.
I'll see you in a month.
Oh, what a nightmare.
All right.
Whitey McGee asked, can public school even benefit boys today?
So he's taken the XY chromosome stance.
He says there's something deeply wrong about expecting boys to sit still in a building for eight hours.
It's probably a little bit less than eight hours and behave and do exactly as they're told and to accept discipline like that.
How about boy dynamics from what you've seen?
I think boys are really the hardest hit because not only do you have the traditional problem of boys not wanting to sit still at their desk all day and then getting medicated for it, they're also really taking away the masculinity of recess.
They take away, they've taken away a lot of the competitive and especially the contact sports.
You know, football's been banned for a long time and now they're getting rid of basketball.
And who knows what it's going to look like in the post-COVID era, but even before that, dodgeball was gone even nearly 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah, no dodgeball.
We played anyways.
Call it something else, though.
You have to call it like avoid the sphere or something.
We're playing avoid the sphere today.
Don't you say dodgeball.
That's illegal.
We're like, okay.
We loved playing tackle football either at lunch or recess.
There was only one teeth.
There was one male teacher who was a Chad who would always look the other way, even though it was like official policy, no tackle football on break.
He would let us get away with it and we loved him for it.
Well, Hitler talked about this in non-conf is that, you know, one of the first things that he wanted to do when the Germans took power was to replace a lot of the education, the, you know, rigid education system with outdoor play because physical development was more important than sitting in a classroom getting a lecture.
Absolutely.
Rough house with your kids at home.
Very important.
It's like healthy hormonally as well as fine motor development, all the rest of it, trusting, you know, limits and all the rest of it.
I gave Potato a good tickle session.
There's nothing, almost nothing better than having a little toddler squealing in delight as you tease him with tickles.
It's really one of the gifts of parenthood.
All right, we're still going.
I got a couple more questions.
What is the absolute worst thing that you've seen, ladies?
In school.
Not in life in general.
Yeah.
In school.
Smasher at five in the morning.
I might, gosh, I feel like my experience is so far outside of the realm of the standard deviation because of the location.
But I witnessed a fist fight when I was student teaching between a student and the teacher.
And he was like in her face screaming at her.
And she was, she was mixed.
She was half and half.
And she really held her ground much better than I would have.
She didn't fight back.
She didn't, she stood her ground until the school resource officer, which was really just a police officer that was stationed in the cafeteria, came in and removed the kid and he got arrested and he was already on probation.
So he didn't come back ever after that.
But that was like one of my first weeks of like field experience.
And I cried, he wasn't even yelling at me.
And I was like shaking and upset and like traumatized.
And she was like, it's okay.
Just don't worry about it.
Like, and I was like, oh, I have to cry or go to prison.
I don't know how you remain calm.
And it's really, really goes to show you what they get away with and what I guess the future of your inner city schools and then your, well, I guess that's the right now, but they're expanding into the suburbs now, right?
Too.
So you're, if you're adjacent to the city, you're in danger.
Look out because I've been there.
I've been on the front lines and it's not good.
Go ahead, Heidi.
So I've got a microwave through the window.
Oh, man, I just, I have such a laundry list.
I'm like, what is what is really the worst here?
Free association.
I think the worst was a case about child protective services.
They're always very eager to take young white children away.
But when it comes to some of the children with more advanced needs and whose parents are maybe on drugs and things like that, which made their kids a little messed up, they don't want those kids.
They want those kids to stay at home with their parents.
And I spent an extended period of time as a substitute in the classroom with this one kid whose mother lived out of a hotel having sex to buy drugs.
And while she was doing that, he would stay in the bathroom and entertain himself.
Oh, man.
And then one day, one of the people that the mother was entertaining turned on the kid.
And the mom took the kid to the hospital afterwards and said it was done by the people at school.
So we all got to have a long talking to with the police because we were all accused of raping a kid.
Jeez.
And it took them a really long time to figure out that that was absolutely not what was happening because CPS doesn't want that kid.
And it took that much to get the kid taken away.
So the system is very happy to take your kid, but kids in need, nothing.
All right.
I need a palate cleanser after that one.
Heidi, how about what's the most heartwarming or the best experience you've had as a teacher?
Let's see.
Not so easy.
Yes.
Oh, where's the joy?
Someone, please find me joy.
I remember once I was a substitute teacher and this little kid came up to me.
No, wait, I wasn't a sub.
This was in my classroom, actually.
This wasn't too long ago.
A kid came up to me and he had had a very bad day on the bus and he was very, very combative.
You know, I wanted him to go sit down and eat breakfast and he wasn't going to have it.
And he was cursing at me and being very mean.
And another student who was new to the classroom came up to my side and came up to him and said, that was very mean of you.
I think you should apologize and came up to my defense to scold his little friend who was being mean to me because he had had a bad day, which was very cute and sweet.
Little victory.
You know, a little brave white boy standing up for what he believes in.
So little things like that.
He was simping for you.
No, no, no.
Oh, no.
What a simple.
No, I know.
I'm joking.
All right.
Let's bring this puppy home.
If we could, I don't want to stop, but we are getting a little bit long in the recording here.
Oh, yeah.
It is getting a bit late.
Yeah, it's a school night.
Yeah, we're back to school.
Heidi, how about are you hoping to have a lot of kids?
And as of today, are you planning to homeschool them or what are you going to do with them?
I'd like to have six if hubby would ever allow me.
But I do definitely intend to homeschool them.
We're hoping to do the white flight bit and run to a bit more rural of an area and to a state where the homeschooling laws are a bit easier so that we can get away with some more.
Sure.
And hopefully me and my family and my kids will be able to run off into the woods and never come out in a couple of years.
That's awesome.
Bless you guys.
And good luck with your wedding preps and your nuptials and all the rest of it.
We're honored to have you on Mayday.
Thank you so much for having me.
Anything else on your tick list before we move on to the smashers?
No, I think I'm good.
Homeschool your kids if you can.
You did wonderful.
This is your first time on a podcast.
Yes, it was.
All right.
Well, we'd be honored to have you back.
Hopefully, not with horror stories and joys, whatever it was.
Hopefully, I can come back someday.
I would always be happy.
They don't bring the dog catcher net out at school this year on you.
Anyway, all right.
Smashers, an unexpected duo this evening, and it was delightful.
Guess the bikes, race cars now.
There you go.
That's our smasher.
Evelyn, thank you very much.
Anything else?
How about you?
Best experience from your educational history?
Well, clearly, but actually, my best experience happened outside of the classroom, and it wasn't with a student that I had ever met before.
It was, I was finishing up my student teaching.
So I was leaving in the middle of the day to go get lunch.
And at the time, my car was having some like really weird electrical issues.
So it would have to pop the trunk and like take the Gerber and poke the battery terminal or whatever to make it turn on sometimes.
And I was out there doing that right at the same time that like the work release kids, you know, they get off at like 11 and they go to work.
They do their classes in the morning, they go to work.
And I'm out there in the hood of my car looking like a big old retard.
And these two kids, not my kids, they were black.
They're like, excuse me, miss, do you need help?
Is there anything I could do?
Like my dad's a mechanic.
Can I assist you in any way?
And it was so like heartwarming and nice because when you're in that sort of diverse environment, you always expect, you have to be on guard all the time.
You always expect your interactions to be aggressive and you can never be vulnerable.
And here I was, vulnerable, a woman in the hood of my car in the parking lot.
And I was really afraid that they were going to like throw things at me with the, like, they went to their cars or like harass me or anything.
And these two kids were like, can I help you?
Is there anything I can do?
And there wasn't because I knew what to do, but it made me feel really nice and stuck with me, obviously.
There you go.
Under the hood, in the hood.
Yeah.
Couldn't resist.
All right.
And Evelyn, how about as of today?
What do you plan to do for education for your precious progeny?
I don't, I think I would be okay with sending them to pre-K and kindergarten for the reading.
I kind of like have a phobia of not being able to teach my kids to read properly on my own because I took a couple of reading pedagogy classes in college.
And there's like the stats on kids who fall behind on their phonics and their reading levels, they're not good.
They don't catch up ever once if they're behind by the fifth grade statistically.
They never recover from that.
And I'm like, I have a little bit of a phobia of it.
So I would be okay with sending them to public school for the basics.
But beyond that, I think I would.
Yeah, play it by yours, see how it goes.
Yeah, you know, I would, I don't think I could ever homeschool if it was just me and my kids.
I would really love to be a part of a homeschool co-op and, you know, other moms.
And especially being that my background is in education, I feel like I could be a good asset to such a thing.
But I won't lie, the idea of being home alone with your kids 24-7 is daunting.
Yep.
24-7 until they're 18.
That's a lot.
That's a lot.
It's not easy.
It can be done, of course, and it can be done extremely well.
But yeah, I think a lot of parents have justified anxiety at the prospect.
Well, I know we've got some people that are close to the show that are very, very much into homeschooling and the co-op in the community.
And I've spoken to them about it.
And the things that they're doing with the homeschool communities right now are pretty innovative and very different from what you grew up thinking homeschooling was.
So I'm not, I used to be blackpilled on it and I'm really not anymore.
I'm just a little intimidated.
True.
There's time.
Understandable.
Yep.
And, you know, we've plugged it before, but we did go into a lot of this stuff, the anxieties and the trepidation about homeschooling in our homeschool episode, which is up at fullhouse.com.
And I think it's on BitChute and YouTube.
Thanks to our delightful Mr. Producer behind the scenes.
I skipped over one of his comments earlier that really deserves getting read.
And he says that he got suspended for punching a kid in the head on the first day of school because his name was Tyrone.
But he was white.
What the hell's wrong with you, Mr. Producer?
Yeah, Tyrone.
Negro stole Tyrone from us.
Anti-Irish action.
Yeah.
All right, guys.
And Smasher, thank you, as always.
I do have a more serious closing.
Please.
If you aren't teaching your kids, somebody else is.
So true.
I thought I was going to have to be Charlie Rose or Charlie Nose tonight.
And I was glad you guys parachuted in at the last minute.
A couple quick notes here.
Since we didn't do a break this week, I'm all discombobulated, but we do have two very special new white life announcements.
And the first one, we had a guest on Full House who spoke very passionately and in a heartfelt way about struggling to conceive wasn't happening easily for them.
And he stuck to it with a smile.
He and his lovely, beautiful wife.
And lo and behold, they were able to share a beautiful, explicit sonogram picture, ultrasound picture of their new baby boy on the way.
So I won't say their names just because I forgot to ask before the show, but they know who they are.
We're over the moon for you in more ways than one.
And you're going to make great parents.
Also, just before, literally about half an hour before we went to tape, an old online pal of mine, I'll just call him Q, and he sent me a video.
Okay, we all know that Q.
No, no, I know, right?
Yeah, no, he said, just call me Q. He's not Q, Anon.
But out of the blue, he said, I mean, I knew that they were expecting, but their first arrived, beautiful baby boy.
He even sent me a picture of his beautiful wife sleeping in the hospital bed with the baby boy in the little cradle next door and right next to her.
And he's so proud and so excited.
I guess breastfeeding is already going well for him, which is a huge stressor in the early days.
They know who they are, who they are, and we wish them the best.
They're going to make great parents too.
Real quick, we had an audience question from, I won't say his name, but he asked which audio version of Mein Kampf that I was listening to.
And I was listening to the Ford translation on Audible.
It was available on Audible.com, which is from Amazon, at least when I bought it.
I had trouble finding it the other day, so I don't know if they removed it from there.
So if you can't find the Ford audio translation, check out ThomasDalton, PhD.com.
He has a new English translation of Mein Kampf in American English, and supposedly it's outstanding.
So, if you want to just read it, which I think is probably the best way to study and comprehend that book, check it out at ThomasDaltonphd.com.
You can find Mein Konf all over archive, too.
That's right, but then you have to read it on your phone or tablet.
I don't know, man.
Well, you can find the audiobook versions too.
Okay, yeah, yeah, fair enough.
I have enjoyed listening to it on audiobook, to be fair.
There's something I just, my mind eventually starts wandering, and I'm like, Coach, you weren't listening to the Fuhrer.
You know, I like to listen to it and read it simultaneously.
Like, well, not literally, simultaneously.
I was like, Yeah, that's really serious.
Like, put it on and you know, do things and like passively listen to it and then read the same thing that I listen to.
Sure.
Later on.
Yep.
And then finally, we haven't done too much of this, but a full house movie endorsement.
I haven't consulted with the Birth Panel Brain Trust on this one, so I'm just going out on a limb.
But a movie called A Quiet Place starring John Krasinski and Emily Blunt was awesome.
Zero pause.
It's a horror movie, but it's not gory.
It's all about family tension and sticking together and doing the best and sacrificing for your kids.
It's free on Amazon Prime right now.
Watch it.
I guarantee you'll like it or your money back on your full house subscription that doesn't exist.
Seriously, check it out.
Oh, yeah, that was a good movie.
I'll agree with that.
Okay, very good.
Thank you.
Backing me up there.
All right.
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You can find that on the support tab at full-house.com as well.
And again, thank you, Heidi.
Honored to have you on.
Really nice job.
And seriously, I mean, you know, it takes guts to share stories from the other side of the from inside the building.
So we salute you.
I'm very glad I could come.
Thank you so much for letting me spread the word.
You bet.
So to all white parents still trusting in the chance of safety, real education, and a lack of pause in their kids' public schools, we salute you, but we also demand constant vigilance of what they're pumping into your precious progeny's heads.
Mr. Producer, this past week, as I mentioned, I stopped to smell the flowers several times and appreciate having young ones under the roof, headaches and all.
So let's go out on a high note this week and please put on this happy little country classic from 1983.
This is Don Williams and Stay Young.
We love you, fam.
We love your kids too.
And we'll talk to you next week.
Go ahead, Smasher.
See you, everybody.
Oh, don't you lose that light in your eyes.
You're never too old to love.
It's never too late to try.
When somebody needs you, give them all you can give.
When you're living to love and loving to live, stay young, keep your wheels in motion.