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Aug. 14, 2025 - Fresh & Fit

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Myron x Tate x Fuentes

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	All right, we are live guys.
	What's up?
	Welcome, welcome, welcome.
	Welcome to the stream.
	Sorry for the delay guys.
	I had to get some things going on in the background.
	Make sure I wouldn't lag.
	But welcome, man.
	Andrew Nick, you guys got me?
	Yes.
	We're here.
	What's up guys?
	Welcome, man.
	Sorry for the delay guys.
	I guess I'll, bro, people have been asking for this for a very long time, literally years.
	And I know that we got something else cooking up for the guys, you know, in about a month or whatever.
	But I'm pretty sure everybody knows who you guys are.
	But if you guys want to kind of kick off and introduce yourself.
	And they're saying, hold on, I'll fix it.
	You guys go ahead.
	Hopefully you can hear us.
	We're late and I don't want to say whose fault it is, but it wasn't me and he's brown.
	So it worked out.
	No, he's done a fantastic job with all the tech and stuff.
	I think this is going to be an interesting conversation.
	We're going to agree on a lot of things, but hopefully we can find some points of contention because you know what?
	I think Nick has done a pretty good job of debating pretty much everyone, as I have.
	So it's been a while since we've had a sparring match where we might actually get hit with something that makes us think.
	So it's going to be very interesting.
	So we'll have to find those points of contention and perhaps we perhaps we're going to end up agreeing with mainly everything, but I feel like there's a few small points we can knuckle down on.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I'll turn it over to you.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	No, go ahead.
	Yeah, I was going to say, you know, I've been a fan of Andrew for a long time.
	We've talked before.
	We talked on the election stream and we've done some other things.
	So I do think there's a lot of and, you know, I saw your tweet the other day and, you know, I think the Gruypers took it a certain way.
	I took it a certain way, but the fundamental point, I think we're in agreement.
	I think that probably by the end of it, we're going to be on the same side on this.
	So, but yeah, we'll we'll throw some stuff in there just to make it fun.
	We have to make it fun.
	So maybe we'll find something to disagree about.
	Yeah.
	I mean, my basic philosophy on it all, and I guess we can talk about it.
	And I feel, you know, I try and stay very much in my lane.
	People think of me as'hinged'.
	And I like to argue that I'm actually the absolute opposite.
	And the Gruyper movement is not my movement.
	It's yours.
	You're on a generational run.
	You're doing fantastic work.
	The Internet is yours.
	Twitter is yours.
	That can't be debated.
	And you should be very proud of yourself for that.
	When I said what I said, and if I read it here verbatim, I said the Groypers speak like a conquered people.
	The point I was making is that I feel, and this isn't even necessarily your fault, because in all movements there's going to be varying degrees of extremity and extremism inside it.
	But what often happens is, especially with me, I will say something often about women or white people reproducing something along those lines, and the Groypers will jump in to call me a nigger and say that I work for the Jews, as opposed to understanding the point I was making.
	And when I say that, you know, it doesn't matter what laws we pass.
	It doesn't matter what legislation goes through the Congress.
	If white people don't have babies, you're soon to be replaced.
	The answer I get is, ah, but the Jews made the white women not listen to us.
	And my answer to it is, well, now you sound like a conquered class, you sound like a conquered people.
	If the Jews are really trying so hard to subvert you from having children, then the correct answer is to have as many children as possible.
	The correct answer to my tweet is, they tried to stop me from having a bunch of white kids, but I did have a bunch of white kids.
	Look what I've achieved irregardless of their attempts to subvert me because I cannot be controlled.
	And there's a lot, there's a big difference between noticing a problem and using a problem as a cure-all excuse for your own personal circumstances.
	And I spoke in absolutes because I often do.
	And I said, no Jew stops you going to the gym, which is a massive oversimplification.
	But the point I was making was, there's a lot.
	Have I gone?
	No, no, no.
	You're here.
	You're here.
	Just turn your camera on.
	Hit the thing.
	Camera is on.
	Hold on.
	Let me.
	Because it was lagging.
	That's why I was.
	I got okay, there we go.
	Yeah, I got, yeah, I I um, I don't know what it is, but yeah, okay, you're back on.
	I'm back, can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	So, um, and Nick, I don't know if you could like turn your camera off and turn it back on.
	I think that might fix the lag, but go ahead, Andrew.
	You're you're they can still hear you guys though, fine.
	I think that fixed it.
	It's less laggy.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah, the point I was making is that, you know, we have to make a very important distinction here.
	And if we're going to notice there's a problem with the influence of the American government, which I've never disagreed with, which in fact I have spoken up for and agreed with you on basically everything.
	And promoted all of your clips saying exactly that.
	There is a large distinction between noticeing a problem and highlighting it and combating it and using it as an excuse to fail in life.
	And I feel like some of the groipers, not all, some sound a bit like the blacks talking about the system.
	And I know plenty of those.
	And that's the point I was trying to make, that nobody can stop you winning if you want to win.
	That's the point I was making.
	I don't have a large problem with the movement en masse.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I do agree.
	I don't think it's the groypers though.
	I think there does need to be a distinction made between what we would call coloquially on the right wing.
	We call them the wignats.
	I don't know if you've ever heard that term before, but we call them wignats.
	It stands for wigger nationalist.
	Wigger meaning, you know, and the reason we call them wiggers as opposed to groypers or something else is because you're right.
	I would say that what black people, what is typified by black people is this sort of victim mentality that says, oh, is it because I'm black?
	Oh, you only have a problem.
	Me because I'm black.
	Oh, you know, keeping the black man down, all this kind of stuff.
	The reason we call them Uighur nationalists is because they have kind of adopted the worst aspects of black identity politics, which is to say, oh, you have a problem because I'm white.
	Oh, they're keeping the white man down.
	Oh, well, they'll just call us racists.
	Well, they'll just call us Nazis.
	And my attitude toward the problem is always, they can't stop us.
	If you go like I did and tell the truth directly and articulately and you don't let them suppress you, at the end of the day, they really can't stop you.
	I think I'm living proof of that.
	And I encourage all my followers, don't make excuses.
	Don't go around and say, Oh, it's because I'm white.
	Oh, well, they'll never let you say that.
	They'll never let you do that.
	They'll say you're racist.
	I say, try and stop us.
	What do you mean, let?
	They're not going to let us.
	We're going to do whatever we want.
	And so I tell my followers, get as intelligent as you can, read books, learn languages, learn a musical instrument, go to the gym, get physically fit.
	I tell people, get into the best college you can.
	And if you're not interested in going that route and networking, then be an entrepreneur, make as much money as possible, infiltrate politics.
	But I guess where I would diverge slightly, if we were to get into, because I think we're in total agreement on that, and I I'm with you one hundred percent.
	I would just say the gro, I'm sure there are some groipers that are saying something like that.
	I would call that wignap, this like chest beating.
	Oh, it's because I'm white, they're keeping the white man down.
	You know, they are keeping the white man down, but we have to be worthy of our ancestors as white men and say, we don't need permission.
	We don't need to ask for permission.
	We're not going to let them get in our way.
	They're going to do bullshit to us, but we have to find a way to overcome.
	I guess where I would diverge slightly.
	Because I hear this all the time and in directional I suppose I agree.
	But when you talk about the birth rates, you're one hundred percent right that the birth rates are a problem.
	The white people are not having kids.
	And if the white people don't have kids, it's over.
	We're going to be replaced.
	And I hear people say this to me all the time, they say, you need to have kids.
	And I plan to do that.
	I plan to get married and have kids at some point.
	I guess where I would depart even from my fellow white people who say this is that there is something structural happening where I don't believe the answer is that we're going to tell ourselves.
	We all need to start having kids because how many people are even political?
	How many people are aware of the white genocide?
	How many people are going to have kids as a response to this problem?
	It's a very, very tiny number.
	And it's not to say that we shouldn't contribute to the solution, but it is to say that we fundamentally must engage in politics.
	It's kind of like chess.
	You know, all the pions could simultaneously wake up one day and say, we need to have more white babies.
	We need to have kids.
	I think that's highly unlikely.
	We need to strike at the king.
	We need a regime.
	We need to engage in politics.
	And I don't just mean like voting.
	I mean, we need to become resourceful, influential, rich, run media, be entrepreneurs, pay politicians to run for office, and we need to use politics to change society.
	Because when you look at the strategy of the Jews as an example, they're two percent of the population, but they have this extraordinary influence.
	That's because they go for the locus of power.
	They're in LA, they're in New York City, they're in DC.
	These are the most powerful cities in the world.
	They're in San Francisco, they're in El Segundo.
	They're striking at the locus of power and from the locus of power proceeds the power.
	The cultural standards precede these dominant narratives in the education system from academia.
	And so I'm really a believer, not in saying, Oh, white people in general need to have more kids.
	Certainly that's a good thing.
	But it's more like, I want the most brilliant elite human capital, the smartest, richest, best white people to become as powerful as possible, take over the institutions and from the institutions promulgate a message of fertility, racial solidarity, national solidarity and national consciousness.
	That's kind of where I'm at.
	But it's just kind of like going a little step further on that.
	No, I agree with you actually completely.
	And culture is the driving force behind all things.
	You know, I often comment on white people, black people.
	I'm in a unique position because I am a race mixed individual, which pisses off a large percentage of the internet, but this is how I was born and that's how it goes.
	And there's not much I can do about it.
	But I would argue besides yourself, there's probably no one else with a platform as large as mine who speaks up for white people ever, ever.
	And one of the problems with extreme right wing white people is we have this infinitely divisible constantly searching for more and more based to the point where no matter how much you do for them or try to help them, you're going to eventually be based enough for them.
	And this is seen amongst white people in general.
	If we removed all the black people from Western civilization today, within thirty years, the Germans would be fighting the Italians again.
	I mean, that's what happened only thirty or forty years ago.
	The Irish and English were blowing each other up.
	And now Ireland and England's both full of asylum seekers from the boats.
	It's kind of crazy when you think about it.
	So this infinitely divisible, this constant search for the more and more based version, I actually think in some ways subverts the whole movement, the movement you've laununched is so fantastic.
	The cultural effect you've had is also fantastic.
	But the biggest threat to the movement is not going to be external, it's going to be internal.
	And there's a percentage of people, no matter what I say, in defense of you, in defense of white people, in defense of Western civilization, come along and say, because my dad is black, who was a chess genius, by the way, he's the only reason I'm even smart, that I'm a piece of shit and I need to get kicked out or I need to die or whatever.
	And I don't care because, truthfully, I think it's hilarious.
	But when you have these cartoons and on accounts constantly going to a deeper and deeper level of everyone's a Jew, everything is this., everything is that, and they can't even get along with someone who is clearly on their side in the larger fight.
	This is how you're going to end up losing the fight in the long run.
	And I think that's where some of the problem comes from, which again, is not even your fault, but that's the problem with that movement as a whole.
	And I'm going to say one thing from a personal perspective.
	I do feel like there is a degree of ungratefulness.
	Once again, this is not your fault, but there's an ungratefulness amongst people and an ungratefulness amongst the internet.
	I remind the internet on October 8 against all legal advice, I told Piers Morgan., it was a genocide.
	I stood up and was anti-Israel on Pears Morgan on October 8, before it was cool on the internet, very much like you.
	Now everybody does it.
	You did it before it was cool.
	I did it before I was cool.
	Antisemitism is a crime in Europe.
	They put me back on house arrest.
	I was locked in my house for eleven months because of what I said on a podcast.
	And now they turn up and tweet under the I'm a Jew.
	And I just think if that's how we're going to operate as a movement, we're only ever going to be a laughing stock to our enemies.
	And I agree with you about the locust of power.
	You're completely right.
	And I think it's a multifaceted attack.
	But we have to be very careful here because if I owned a farm and all the sheep worked.
	out that I had a slaughterhouse and all they did all day was say, that's a slaughterhouse.
	He's got a slaughterhouse, but they still walked into it.
	I wouldn't really care.
	There has to be a point where you don't obey what I want you to do.
	If they're trying to stop you from reproducing, then you must reproduce.
	If they're trying to beat you down so you don't make money because of ursary, you need to make money.
	If they don't want you to be brave, you need to be brave.
	You need to look at their exact playbook and instead of tweeting at people, instead of accusing every single person who doesn't have an on cartoon account of being a Jew, you need to do the absolute opposite of what they want you to do.
	And I believe that's how we win.
	That's how your movement.
	and you become president of the United States.
	I think that's better for you and the movement as a whole.
	So when I made that tweet that Groyper speaks like a defeated people, that's because I'll say something and I speak in absolute terms.
	I absolutely do.
	And I think trolling is hilarious.
	And I make it clear that, you know, a white man, I say white man can't get a kid out of a woman unless he buys her two houses and three cars and a nanny.
	Ha ha ha.
	The Somalian can get eleven kids out of Fatima without a job.
	And I make a joke of it.
	All the replies is, well, now you're a Jew.
	You're a race mixing Jew.
	You work for the Jews.
	And I just think that's counterproductive to the good fight and counterproductive to your movement.
	That's my that's my actual view.
	At the same time though, you have to recognize that if you're going to rage bait, you can't really be mad when people get mad.
	You know what I mean?
	I think it's hilarious.
	Yeah, I think it's funny.
	I mean, I I literally I'm a real nigger today.
	I call myself a nigger all day long.
	I think it's funnier than it is.
	I love trolling.
	I'm all for it.
	I'm just saying that if we're going to try to have a serious political movement here, then calling every single person a Jew because of some tedious or tenious link, I think is disingenuous.
	I think that and again, this is just my personal view and I don't know enough since I got released from house arrest after three years in my house in February.
	I haven't been online that much.
	And I noticed you said I didn't weigh in on the Candace Tucker thing.
	I'm not versed enough to really weigh it.
	I haven't seen every video.
	I haven't seen all of it.
	I haven't seen the back and forth.
	I've been with my children living my life.
	However, I would argue that Tucker has red pilled a lot of people who would never watch your show about very important things that are happening in the American government that you'd agree with.
	I would say the same for Candace.
	I think of them on the good side of the fight.
	And perhaps this is going to get me in trouble.
	I think of them as good people trying to do the best thing they can, which is tell their version of the truth.
	And they're by the way on our side.
	And I think this infinite divisible constant inward fighting, constant looking for who's the most based, constantly saying, well, he's done ninety nine things right, but this one thing makes him a Jew.
	I just think it's holding us back by the way.
	That's my personal view, but it's not my movement.
	So I'm just saying what I see it as from the outside.
	Well, and maybe that's where the disagreement lies because I talked with Alex Jones about this yesterday.
	We didn't even plan to talk about it, but he brought it up.
	Obviously, I'm in this big feud with both Candice and Tucker Carlson right now.
	And I see it being characterized on Twitter by some people as inward fighting.
	And I would agree with you.
	I would tend to agree with you that if I were an outside observer, I would look at Candice and Tucker and myself and I would think we're all on the same side, we're all pushing in the same direction, certainly we're all criticizing Israel, we're all against the war in Iran and the rest of it.
	And that's what I would tend to think.
	And yet, when I went out and did Candice's show, instead of talking about what we had in common, she wanted to talk about press me on if I really hated Jews And if I was really a racist, so that confounded me because if I'm an outside objective observer, maybe without all the information, I would say, wait, aren't Candace, Tucker and Nick on the same side?
	But being me, I went to do her show with my suit on, ready to talk about the Iran war, the neocons, all this kind of stuff.
	And she's pressing me, why do you hate Dave Smith?
	Is it because he's Jewish?
	Do you hate Jews for being Jewish?
	Are you a racist?
	Is that why you're against race mixing?
	And so I finished the interview and not to relitigate the whole thing, but this is just a summary of it.
	I finished the thing and I get on my show and I say, it's weird.
	she's putting it behind a paywall.
	I said, and also I'm unhappy with what we talked about.
	I thought this was an olive branch.
	Clearly it was some kind of like a lecture.
	I thought she was having me out to maybe extend an olive branch and connect.
	And instead, I got a wagging finger from a woman in my face, which I don't really care about.
	And then, as if to make matters better, she goes with Tucker Carlson and Tucker, who, you know, me and him have a bit of a history.
	He calls me a basement dwelling, weird gay kid.
	He says I'm a CIA agent.
	He loads this personal attack on me.
	And so, yeah., I wouldn't I wouldn't characterize that as internal fighting.
	I would say to me that looks like a coordinated attack on me and it's not purity spiraling.
	It is coming from them in the other direction saying that I'm too extreme.
	In fact, that's literally what Tucker said.
	Tucker said that I am a crazy anti Semite who is trying to make them look bad by being too ideologically pure.
	So, you know, maybe you've been away for a long time.
	You don't know what's going on, but it wasn't me coming at them for being soft.
	No, they were coming at me for being too extreme.
	And that's where I have to defend myself and say, wait a second., you're calling me a CIA agent.
	Your fucking dad was in the CIA.
	I said this to Tucker on this big show.
	A week later, Elon Musk is echoing what Tucker Carlson said calling me a Fed.
	And it's in the context of this Matrix attack.
	I don't know what else you call that, that then you came on Twitter and said the thing about the Groypers.
	I think that's why they took it a certain way, because what it looked like was coordination.
	I don't know if you're in on that or not.
	I don't believe you were, but certainly something weird is going on.
	And it all coincided with what you said, which is, I'm on this generational run.
	I have broken containment.
	I'm going mainstream.
	Now, I would like to do a show with Tucker and talk about our similarities and differences.
	I would have liked to do that with Candace Owens, but it seems like they're trying to keep me out.
	They're trying to push me aside.
	As far as the movement is concerned, I'd like to be on the same page with them, but they don't feel that way about me.
	So, you know, I don't know.
	What, what's your thoughts on that whole situation?
	Well, I mean, it's interesting.
	And like I said, I'm not fully versed on all of it.
	I guess there's two ways I can answer that question at a certain point.
	And of course, you're a full grown man.
	You make your own decisions.
	I'll be very clear that I like Candace.
	She's always been very respectful to me.
	I think she's fantastic at her job job.
	I actually think she's amazing at what she does.
	I have nothing bad to say about her.
	I think that when people were saying the Bridget series was irrelevant, I think that's disingenuous.
	I think it's actually very relevant to find out if the most prominent country in the European Union is being run by a pedophile and his father.
	I also think it's hilarious that she trolled Macron to have a meltdown.
	I think that trolling is funny and I think it's funny.
	I don't know how anyone doesn't find that funny that legal letters are flying around the world.
	I mean, you're saying they attacked you.
	I respect it.
	There's two ways to answer that question.
	The first thing you can do and you can make your own decision as a full grown man is, is it about you and your own personal feelings, which it's allowed to be, by the way., or is it about the movement by and large as a whole?
	Because I've sat down with people who have come out for me guns blazing, but I believe they were 65% on the same side as me.
	And I defended myself.
	And I thought, you know what?
	They're doing more harm than good.
	And instead of arguing about the color of the wallpaper inside the castle, let's defeat the orcs at the gate first.
	And then we can start arguing about how we're going to decorate this room.
	But that's a decision that you can make personally.
	I'm not saying what they did is right.
	And I'm not saying what you did is wrong.
	That's a decision that you can make.
	I understand that my timing now with that context would be suspicious.
	I understand that absolutely.
	But I have nothing against Candace and Tucker.
	and the whole CIA agent dad thing, I'd actually like to address that as Well, one of the reasons why that holds no weight with me is my father was in the intelligence services.
	And now there's a whole bunch of people spamming my account saying that I'm a Jewish asset because my father was CIA.
	But I've been very honest and open about the fact that he was a translator and he spoke three languages.
	And I was also open about the fact that he was discharged without a pension for not following orders, ended up living in his car being a traveling chess player.
	And I had to grow up in a hostel in Luton, England, fighting Kosovans at the age of eleven.
	So if there's some big intelligence agency op going on, I never got any money from it.
	And our family grew up destitute.
	And I grew up in the worst area in England.
	And now they're throwing me in jail at random.
	So for anyone to believe that I'm some kind of intelligence operator or fed is dishonest.
	And another thing, and I want to make this clear.
	When I talk with you about issues, I'm very honest and open about the fact that you have swathed some knowledge I don't have.
	I don't want to get pulled into muddy waters where I'm in a situation where we're discussing something I know nothing about.
	You can start talking about the financing of a particular senator and I don't know.
	So I kind of operate on feelings, you know?
	Do I think you're a fed?
	Honestly in my heart, no.
	Do I think Candace and Tucker are feds in my heart?
	No.
	When someone says Tucker's a fed, his father was in the CIA.
	I say my father was in the CIA and we were fucking brokeke.
	And he got discharged and he died destitute with $15 in his pocket.
	So I don't buy anything of that.
	What I do think is maybe there's some ego involved, maybe we're at a pivotal moment in culture.
	Maybe there is a degree of them trying to assert dominance over you or trying to show that they're not scared of your influence.
	That's all possible and all very real.
	I can only answer what I would have done in your situation, which was what I said earlier.
	I would have sat down with Candace, would have defended myself and said, you know what?
	By and large, I think she does fantastic work.
	By and large, I agree with her.
	So I don't see the point in going to war with her.
	However, that's your decision to make.
	And I do also understand.
	But I also do understand that going to war with people is entertaining and we are in the entertainment business.
	That's another thing to consider.
	It's pretty funny to go to war with people and start swinging, but we have to sit down and be professionals here.
	And as professionals, we have to sit and say, okay, are we really trying to win?
	Because if there's things you've said I could get upset about, but I don't actually give a shit.
	You could sit here right now and call me a nigger and say I'm a Jew.
	And I'd be like, you know what?
	I like you anyway.
	I'm going to like you whether you like it or not.
	I'm going to say I like what Nick says.
	I think what he's doing is important.
	I don't give a fuck what he says about me.
	I like what he does.
	And I think that's actually a degree of maturity that the left has that we don't have because they hate us so much.
	They're so unified and bonded by their hate for us that they'll never fight in on small issues.
	They're too busy trying to kill us.
	And I think unless we can manage to get our heads around doing something similar, we're always going to end up, every time we get any power, just fighting in and falling to pieces.
	Well, I would say that as far as you three are concerned, I do believe you're all different.
	I think that you are different than Tucker.
	And I think that Tucker is different from Candice.
	And the reason I knew that is because.
	And when Candice went on with Tucker, Tucker said, Oh, you know, this kid, he's saying my dad is in the CIA.
	And Candice said, Yeah.
	And he said that I'm Russian intelligence.
	And Tucker said, Yeah, but that's more likely than my dad being in the CIA or me being in the CIA.
	So in that moment, I was like, Okay, so wait a second.
	These two are not on the same page.
	And I don't think you're on the same page with them even necessarily on this whole thing.
	And I guess what I would say about their attack is in particular Tucker's attack was to discredit me.
	And without I don't wantt want to drag you into a conversation that you don't know all the information about because I don't think that's fair.
	But suffice to say, the particular thrust of his attack was to say that I'm a federal operative, was to say that I'm a federal agent.
	And you say that the question is, how do I handle that?
	Do I punch back really hard?
	Do I sort of take my lump, so to speak?
	I would say that's a very pernicious and specific charge to make, which is supposed to say, and it was almost artful the way that he did it.
	He said, Nick says a lot of the right things, but you shouldn't listen to him because he's not who he says he is.
	And that sort of tells me that they're trying to block me from having influence.
	They're trying to destroy my reputation so the people don't listen.
	And in my show against Tucker, I sort of contrasted our two positions.
	If it's about the movement, for me, my movement says, we're about American sovereignty.
	We want to break free from Israel.
	We want to break free from Jewish oligarchs.
	It's identitarian.
	America has a white character.
	It has a European character.
	It's racial.
	That has a lot to do with it.
	We need to shut down immigration.
	We need to get rid of this oligarchic syndicate that's running our country.
	And I would question, does Tucker conform to that because repeatedly he insists I have never talked about racial replacement migration.
	He insists I'm not an enemy of Israel.
	I love Israel.
	I love going to Israel.
	Now, you know, what movement is he a part of?
	He's a part of the movement where you work for Fox News for twenty years.
	And then when the whole world gets red pilled, now you're going to talk about Israel a little bit.
	Is the movement where your dad's in the CIA?
	Is the movement where you call up Trump and tell him to do a COVID lockdown?
	Is the movement where you say they hate Trump and you're ready to see him go away because you can't stand him?
	I don't know who Tucker is.
	I know who I am.
	And I would say that when push comes to shove.
	I have a much better case to make that I'm a credible voice than he does.
	I would make the case that my movement, to the extent that it's different, is much more consistent with what's right and where the people are at.
	If he wants to make it me versus him, be my guest.
	I don't think he's going to like where that goes on a long enough time line.
	That's why I said to Al Jones yesterday, I would love to privately or publicly talk to Tucker.
	If he thinks I'm a fed, if he cares about the movement, then, you know, look, I'm not going away any time soon.
	He needs to listen and take me seriously, obviously, because his attack on me backfirred.
	I think he needs to put up or shut up, have me on the show and debate the differences, make the case I'm a fed or get with the fucking program.
	But that's kind of where I'm at with him.
	So I'm with you.
	I do have a consciousness of the movement and I think that maybe Tucker plays a role in this movement and maybe Cannes plays a role, but I think they need to have a team player mentality.
	I can't be expected to have all the magnanimity in the world and all the patience and tolerate the kind of nonsense they're throwing me.
	That's kind of my position because I like you a lot.
	And I think, you know, when you and I had our disagreement on Twitter, you said, Fuck it, let's get on a stream.
	I love that.
	I think that's honest.
	I think, you know, like you said, we don't agree on everything.
	And I've taken issue with things you've said and vice versa, but we can kind of talk about where we align.
	And first of all, we can talk.
	I think we should expect the same thing from them as well, and in particular Tucker.
	So that's kind of where I'm at, because I kind of see what you're saying, but I have to stand up for myself a little bit in this case.
	Totally understand it.
	And that's my point about the tweet I made.
	And I totally understand how the timing was suspicious.
	But even recently, even today, one more thing I want to say when it comes to your movement as a whole.
	And once again, I need to stay in my lane, because this is not my movement..
	It's yours and you've built it.
	And most importantly, you've suffered for it.
	It wasn't handed to you.
	You suffered to build what you've built, which is why it's so strong and so powerful.
	Same as my movement, which, you know, I would say it's moved over now.
	I did my job.
	And I would argue that we've moved into a new era where we have new concerns.
	When I was saying the things I was saying at the time, it was groundbreaking.
	And now everyone says them.
	And there's always going to be a part of you, which is a bit like, okay, so when it was dangerous to say these things, I did it.
	And now it's not dangerous.
	Everyone says it.
	And it pisses you off a little bit.
	So I also understand, perhaps, when you just mentioned you said that you were a member of the movement.
	And you said there that Tucker's now saying it when everyone else is saying it.
	There's going to be a bit of personal like, hey, I got debanked.
	I couldn't fly.
	I suffered for this.
	Like I went to jail for what I said.
	And now everyone tweets all day long and calls me a fed.
	Part of you is going to be like, well, that's ungrateful of the masses, isn't it?
	Because I was the one who was suffering to even say this stuff in the first place, which is a really important point.
	So I understand exactly where you're coming from.
	I totally understand it.
	And one more thing with the whole Groyper movement as a whole.
	And I just want to say these things and I'm saying them from an outside perspective.
	I am a friend of your movement.
	I consider myself a friend of yours.
	I believe in what you guys are doing.
	You're fucking hilarious.
	I'm not an enemy in any regard, but I do think that It's very difficult.
	We have to draw a line somewhere and we have to have some degree of, well, what are the parameters then?
	Okay, Tucker did attack Nick, perhaps, or Candice attacked Nick, perhaps fine.
	But if they are exposing X, Y, Z, is that worthwhile?
	And also we have to come along and say, sometimes these tedious links can be exaggerated upon.
	Only a few hours ago, I retweeted Milo and you wrote a tweet under it saying that this is very suspicious.
	This was a few hours ago.
	And I retweeted Milo because Milo defended me saying that all these court cases against me, no one can seem to put me in jail.
	Nobody has any proof.
	I didn't think, ah, Milo and Nick, I don't know the story of you two, to be honest.
	I now know you don't like each other.
	I don't know why.
	And with all due respect, I don't care.
	He defended me, so I retweeted it.
	I also retweeted a three-person account who defended me with three followers.
	He could be a pedo, I don't fucking know.
	I just retweeted it.
	So sometimes there's.
	Too much noticing and there's too many strings drawn and there's too much, you know, people are looking for insult where it doesn't really exist.
	And I think that's one of the other things separate to Candace and Tucker because that was very deliberate against you as you've just explained.
	One of the other things that I catch flack for from your movement.
	is I breathe in the wrong direction and perhaps a Jew breathed was pointing that way when he breathed in 1941.
	And before you know it, I've got these spurs spamming all over Twitter.
	And the reason that that's a bad thing is not because I give a shit, it's because it genuinely delegitimizes what you're trying to do.
	Well, and I think you're legit.
	I think that, you know, as far as the Milo thing is concerned, the only reason I even mentioned it is because Candice did her show with me.
	She did her show with Tucker and then she does a show with Milo.
	Elon Musk replies to Milo calling me a fed.
	You know, then you come in and kind of, you didn't really pick a side, but you sort of said the Brigitte Macron thing's legit and you said the Voypress talk too much about the Jews or, you know, that they blame the Jews or something.
	And then you retweeted Milo, it looked like it was coordinated.
	I hope you understand that.
	And I think that people need to scrutinize these things because as you know and you know, you're brilliant on politics.
	I'm a I consider you a friend too.
	And I consider what you have built to be one of the most positive things that's happened in the 2020s.
	And I even come down on your side when you're arguing with Catholics like Matt Walsh, because honestly, a lot of the Catholic, you know, white right, they're bussies when it comes to women.
	And a lot of the trade stuff is 100% steered by women.
	So I mean, your thing on patriarchy, in my opinion, is indispensable.
	It's literally indispensable.
	And it's like, it's actually a good thing that we're in the Tate generation of young kids that are saying, you know, what color is your Bugatti and all?
	I think it's actually a really good thing.
	But with that being said, as far as these connections are concerned, I think transparency is the solution.
	You know, you coming on this and saying, hey, I just retweeted him just because.
	Okay, valid, legitimate.
	I hear you.
	But in a lot of these cases, typically, where there's smoke, there's fire.
	And I like to draw these connections because this is how politics operates.
	You do get these networks to come together.
	There are networks of patronage, there are networks of money.
	And I'm not going to lie to you.
	A lot of people came to me privately and said, I'm on your side.
	I agree with you.
	But I can't speak out against Tucker because he's done things for me, because he's a friend of mine.
	And I've heard that from a lot of people.
	I'm not going to name names.
	Some of them said it publicly, Glenn Greenwald, Ian Carroll, they said a lot of nice things about me, Dave Smith too, but they also said, you know, I don't even really want to weigh in because I like Tucker.
	Now, you know, in our political battle, we actually have to be willing to criticize people.
	We have to be willing to scrutinize those kinds of things and someone like Tucker, you know, he's got some explanation to do.
	He said he didn't know his dad was in the CIA.
	He lied.
	He didn't know that.
	Now, if we're coming for the Matrix and insofar as the Matrix is the deep state, we're going to need an answer on that.
	I would like an answer on that as well as some of these other things.
	And so that's where it's like, I agree with you, There is one hundred percent there can be a schizophrenic tendency.
	And unfortunately, when you introduce concepts like palantir, a limited hangout, when you introduce that to low IQ people, they'll start seeing it everywhere.
	And unfortunately, it is true.
	I've seen it.
	People like trip on their shoelace and say this was a palantir limited hangout.
	It does happen.
	But in many cases, we actually do need transparency on some of these connections because it's not lost on me that, like Tucker Carlson, one of his criticisms of me, he said that I am delegitimizing someone like JD Vance.
	And I said, well, wait a second.
	Tucker had JD Vance on his show 46 times.
	Tucker made a personal appeal to Trump to choose Vance as his nominee.
	Now Candice doesn't seem to be gung ho about Vance.
	So there might be some, like I said, I think Candice is different than Tucker and they're both different than you.
	But when Tucker came at me with that, I said, wait a second.
	He's calling me CIA.
	His dad is CIA.
	His friend Joe Kent is CIA.
	His buddy JD Vance works for Peter Thiel, who is a CIA contractor.
	That's a lot of CIA.
	That's a ton of CIA going on.
	And he lied about what he knew about the CIAA.
	That's why I say, okay, sometimes where there's smoke, there's fire.
	So, you know, I I 100% agree.
	There can be a tendency to get a little schizophrenic or maybe there's like a low IQ version of what we talk about.
	But I don't think I'm wrong about a lot of these connections.
	And, you know, when you reposted Milo and, you know, maybe you'll admit it, it could have come across as a bad look.
	And that's why it's helpful when you said, that's how I know you're legit.
	A lot of people behind the scenes tell me, you gotta press Tate.
	Tate's the enemy.
	Remind him his dad was in the CIA.
	What I respect about you is you talk to me.
	I have your number.
	I talked to you.
	I've been on streams with you.
	You're transparent.
	You said your data is in the CIA.
	We didn't have to dig that out of nowhere.
	And for me, that's the difference.
	Is there that transparency?
	If you're transparent, you know, we can ask the question, it gets answered and we can say, okay, that's good enough.
	But if people hide or lie or they're not outcoming, that's where there's a little scrutiny.
	So that's where I'm at on that.
	I do think it's important to look at some of those things.
	No, it makes perfect sense.
	And just once again, from the very outside perspective, and I have to make it clear that I'm not as versed on all these topics as a lot of the people who are watching this, but I've barely been online.
	I pop up online.
	I see there's this feud going on.
	The first thing I felt was a degree of sadness, to be honest.
	That's what I felt.
	And it was the same with Elon and Trump.
	I disagreed with Elon about H one B one.
	I think everybody did with a brain.
	Nobody wants that shit.
	It's a, it's a joke.
	But I think by and large, he's done fantastic things.
	I think that Twitter, if he never bought it by now, would be so fully locked down.
	I think he did help with the culture.
	I think he made some massive positive pushes in the right direction.
	And maybe a lot of this is going to be personality driven.
	Perhaps this is just me from a personality perspective.
	But if someone does something good, I try very hard.
	to not forget what they've done.
	The internet is a very fast moving place.
	There's a lot of ungratefulness on the internet because you can do something amazing on a Monday and everyone hates you on a Tuesday because it's fun to hate people and it's interesting and trolling is fun.
	And that's kind of how it works.
	But when Trump and Elon started arguing and there was a big division, I felt a degree of sadness.
	When I saw that Tucker, Candace and you didn't get along, I was, I really, perhaps I'm a sentimental old man.
	I felt like we'd all be better if we were to a degree on the same team.
	And we're never all going to agree on everything.
	I like what you said about the transparency point.
	That's fantastic.
	Me from a personality perspective, if there's orcs at my gate.
	I'm prepared to work with someone I disagree with on 99% of the problems besides let's kill the orcs.
	So I noticed as well a lot of the groupers are constantly retweeting and constantly hammering Tristan for supporting JD Vance.
	Well, JD Vance is the only American politician who talks about the fact that we don't have any freedom of speech in Europe.
	JD Vance was the only politician who talked about the fact that Romania, the country we're in, the country that locked us up, overthrew their own election.
	He's the only one who called it out.
	So perhaps at a deeper level, you know things I do not know or there's some things about him I would not like perhaps.
	But initially, the initialal battle in Europe, we can't even talk.
	He's the only one standing up for us.
	And it's kind of like this infinitely divisible problem, which is a problem we're going to have with the entire movement, especially if we're successful.
	The more successful we are, the more fragmented it's going to become.
	As I said, if we had a white only nation, the Italians would fight the Spanish would fight the Germans.
	And before you know it, the North and the South would hate each other and you'd be a Texan and you'd be from Chicago and everyone would hate each other again, even though we're all the same skin color.
	That's how it was before.
	That's why Europe was in constant war.
	So this infinitely visible problem is a real one.
	And we kind of have to find a way, especially and this is me speaking out of time because it's your movement.
	It's not my movement.
	But for you, I would say you have to kind of try and find a way to give some hard parameters and allow people who are not as intelligent as you, not as smart as you, not as well versed as you, and most of your fans are not going to be.
	That's why you're the star to sit and say, okay, where does someone fall?
	Are they on the good side or the bad side?
	Because maybe they did this and this and this, but by and large they've done X, Y, Z. I always thought in my infinite ignorance that Ian Carroll was a good guy.
	He exposed things and I watched his videos and I thought, that's interesting.
	That's interesting.
	That's interesting.
	And then I saw his feed and Evan was calling him a Jewish plant.
	And I'm like, what the fuck?
	Maybe I just don't know enough.
	Maybe I'm ignorant and dumb.
	But I was like, how the fuck is he a Jew?
	He's literally said the opposite the whole way through.
	So I do think this is some kind of issue which is going to be nearly impossible to solve because the internet's the internet and this is how it works.
	And also, I will state this, even my movement, there are people in my movement who are retards and they'll go to the gym and they'll hit their chest and they'll tell every woman to fuck off.
	And you know, they'll walk around with a gun saying they're a G and they're fucking retards and they're part of my movement.
	And that's going to be part of every single movement.
	That's part of it.
	I just think we need to.
	try our very best if we want to make a serious political and genuine change.
	You're right.
	We have to draw connections.
	We have to notice patterns.
	That's what you've done fantastically.
	That's what you've built your brand on.
	And perhaps my transparency allows me to sit down and explain that my father was discharged dishonorably for not following orders and that we never even got a military pension and grew up destitute.
	You can all look that up online.
	Perhaps my transparency helps me.
	Yes.
	But sometimes I see so much stuff being thrown around.
	I always like to think of things from the enemy's perspective.
	If I was them and I saw you fighting with Candace, fighting with Tucker, and then I retweet someone and then you say I'm part of them and they're sitting there knowing none of us are part of them, they're laughing their fucking ass off.
	And I just think we have to be very conscious of that.
	That's the only point I'm making.
	Yeah, and I agree with that.
	I just, you know, then it's got to be all in the family because they instigated with me.
	I would have been glad to join up with Tucker.
	And honestly, here's what I'll say on the stream.
	I still am because it's true that Tucker is getting torched by a lot of his erstwhile Jewish or pro-Israel allies.
	There's no question about that.
	And same with Candace Owens.
	Candace and Tucker, and to your point, you know, You know, just to demonstrate, because I think I'm objective and I think I'm magnanimous.
	I think that Candice and Tucker, you're 100% correct.
	They have brought a lot of people closer to the truth.
	There's just no question.
	Candice with the women, Tucker with the Normies and, you know, Candice with the Normi women, I suppose, and you as well.
	I mean, you know, but we're talking about them in this case and you without a doubt as well.
	So I do believe there's room for cooperation.
	It's just, it's like we said before though.
	If that's sort of my perspective, I'm sort of coming to Candice to join up, but she's telling me you're a racist antisemite and I'd like to cooperate with Tucker, but he's calling me a fed and I'm this loser and all this.
	It's like, so I would extend the olive branch to someone like Tucker and me, I have such a consciousness for the team.
	Me and Candace have a very vicious rivalry right now.
	For me, it is, and I say this, my right hand of God, it is not personality driven, it is not ego driven.
	I could forgive her tomorrow.
	I've called her a bitch like a hundred times, and I know you probably don't love that, but I've called her a bitch a bunch of times.
	I could apologize for that tomorrow, and I could sit down and have dinner and be best friends tomorrow.
	The question is, is there that willingness on the other side to get on the same page.
	Is there that willingness to kind of open up the space for someone who is a little bit further to the right?
	I do believe that.
	I get it.
	So I have a question for the sake of our debate.
	So I would argue, and of course, once again, this is full of presuppositions.
	I'm just guessing here.
	I would argue that there's a degree of disingenuity when it comes to people saying that her Bridget series is not important or it's trash.
	And I think you made a clip on it.
	I didn't watch the whole clip, but you said something about how Macron is an enemy of Israel or something along these lines.
	And why is she going for Macron?
	I, honestly, and I'm saying this from the heart with, and I've only watched two episodes of her series.
	I haven't even watched the whole thing.
	And I didn't even watch your whole clip, but I don't see how anyone can not think that's good journalism and not think it's hilarious.
	I really don't think it's genuine for people to sit and say that that series was a setup somehow and she's working for the Russians somehow and that she's somehow working for the Jews because she did that.
	And I think that it's people disliking her.
	So instantly tarnishing her work.
	And I think that it's very important for us as professionals to be able to sit down and say, even of my worst enemy, I could sit and say, I don't like that person, but that work was good.
	Like, I think Matt Walsh, by and large, isn't even a bad person.
	I think he just has no impact on the culture at all.
	I don't think anyone cares what he says.
	But when I saw some of his clips when he was making fun of the trannies, it was funny.
	Like, you know, okay, cool.
	That's that's good work.
	Like, I don't care who makes the work if the work is good.
	And I noticed after your argument with her, everyone was saying that her Brigitte series was bullshit.
	I don't think it's unimportant and I don't think it was bullshit.
	I think it was actually very informative and I think it was quite an interesting story.
	And I think that if Macron is fucking his dad, we should know.
	And I also think that it's fucking hilarious how triggered he is.
	And I would argue that normally you, if you didn't have a beef with Candace, would also be saying the same thing that this is funny and Macron's pissed and this is all hilarious.
	Or do you genuinely, your emotions, your feelings for Candace aside, really think that that piece of work is somehow bad work to do?
	Well, yeah, I mean, I it's actually the opposite.
	I liked Candace last year and I hated the Brigitte Macron thing.
	I just didn't say anything because I didn't want to mess with her thing.
	I'll give you a counterexample.
	She did an interview with Phil Turney, who is a survivor of the USS Liberty.
	I thought that was excellent.
	I thought that was brilliant.
	Got huge coverage.
	Totally drove the conversation forward.
	I could, you know, I'm objective.
	I'm honest.
	I tell it like it is.
	I do have a major problem with Candice right now, but that was awesome.
	And unquestionably so.
	I'll tell you my problem with the Brigitte Macron thing.
	It's a couple of things.
	One, I think it's weird.
	I think it's weird that Candice is so hung up on the French president because in America, we just don't really talk about Europe.
	We don't really care about Europe that much.
	It's just not something we're engaged in.
	So for her to have this laser like focus.
	on that.
	To me, it kind of gives me a strange feeling from the beginning.
	Then you delve into kind of the history there, and for a long time there's been an effort to go after Macron from this crew.
	Like, I don't know if you know, but back in 2017, there was this huge effort to say that Macron was gay, and that was being pushed by Russian media.
	It was being pushed by Sputnik in Russia Today.
	They were quoting Julian Assange.
	They leaked all Macron's email two days before the election in 2017.
	So there's been for like eight years this concerted campaign to attack Macron personally, call him gay, say he's married to his father.
	So that's another thing is like it comes over, it comes back over and over again.
	Then you get into the person pushing this, the guy Xavier Poussard, he wrote the book Becoming Brigitte.
	This guy's crazy.
	Like the guy that originated the theory, it's very fringe in France.
	He thinks he believes in the QAnon stuff.
	He thinks he's working for Trump.
	He thinks he's working for Putin.
	The guy's nuts.
	And when you get down to the actual information at the end of the day, their proof is that there's a photograph of the person they say Brigitte is as a child and using this Chinese facial recognition.
	It says there's an eighty percent match to Brigitte Macron today.
	And I don't think that's super good journalism.
	I think the evidence is flimsy.
	And I would say maybe there's something going on there.
	Maybe Brigitte Macron is weird or something.
	But to me the evidence is very flimsy.
	So that's my problem with it.
	And the reason that I even call it out, you know, why not let it alone?
	The reason I call it out is because one, if it's an angle from Russia or some other thing, then that needs to be called out by itself.
	But two, I think it's so cooky.
	It just makes us look bad.
	I think it's one of those things where maybe people watch the USS Liberty Show.
	And then if you're talking about aliens and secret transgender and the Frankists and space isn't real, it's like then we just look like we're crazy.
	So that's the other thing.
	But it's actually in reverse of what you said.
	If I liked Candice, I wouldn't talk about my problems with it at all if we had a working relationship.
	But since we're at odds, I'm more willing to criticize her.
	So it's totally the opposite.
	Well, maybe this is just a personal preference thing.
	But I think it's extremely important if we find out that the leader of a European nation, especially the nation which just overthrew the election here, by the way, one of the most important economies on the planet.
	And Europe is by far America's ally and will have to be against China for the coming decades.
	If there is an elite pedophile ring which is in charge of his country, especially if you want to tie this to Epstein and everything else.
	And the fact that Kir Starmer is gay and all these things, the fact that we have all these homosexuals in power, I think would largely affect the culture.
	And we just talked about how the culture is so important.
	I would argue that it doesn't make us look cooky for investigating that, very much like you said.
	We need to, if there's smoke, there's fire.
	And, you know, if there's the timing is weird or there's a string here or there's a link there.
	I think that it's pretty important.
	And I'm just surprised from a personal level.
	You don't find it hilarious that Macron's having a collapse.
	I just thought that you would find it funny like I did.
	When I saw the legal letters, me and Tristan were laughing our ass off.
	It's funny.
	The same as Kier Starmer talking about me all day.
	I think it's funny.
	These people get triggered.
	Maybe it's just me liking the underdog.
	Maybe it's just me like me liking that we have some degree of power to actually influence the emotions of these people who are suppressing us, especially in Europe.
	So heavily.
	So I was just surprised by your take on that.
	And my conclusion in my mind was, ah, he's pretending that's not good work when it's clearly hilarious because he doesn't like Candace.
	And you've given your answer, which I respect.
	I just was highlighting why I thought that was weird because I actually thought that was a fantastic series.
	And I think if if it turns out she is right, I think that's very important.
	I would argue that's extremely important.
	And I mean, right now we have the problem with Kir Starmer in the UK.
	He got caught fucking Ukrainian Rat Boys that we're not allowed to say that.
	I'm about to get another charge for saying that right now.
	I'm trapped in Europe.
	And maybe maybe you're saying America first and as Americans we don't care.
	I'm in Europe.
	They're the ones throwing me in jail.
	They're the ones fucking with my life.
	They're the ones who are constantly watching everything I say.
	They're the ones watching this stream right now trying to raise charges against me and the Western world., by and large, is the same thing.
	I think that you even said earlier at the beginning of this that America was founded on European white heritage.
	So we don't want to lose the ancient countries.
	We don't want to lose the original lands of the people we're trying to restore to glory.
	So I think she's doing fantastic work and that's my personal view on it.
	I think she's doing fantastic work with it.
	And I was just surprised you disagreed on that point.
	That's all.
	Yeah.
	Well, and that's legitimate.
	I guess for me, you know, your point about it's funny, like that does resonate with me because I I thought that way for a long time.
	I would look at something like that and say, oh, you know, we're doing it for the l lulls.
	We're doing it, you know, because we're trolling Macron.
	We're trolling everybody.
	But what I have come to learn over the years is that a lot of the things that seem random or seem like they're based on hype, they're all coordinated.
	And that doesn't mean that everything.
	That is true.
	That is absolutely true.
	And, and there are systems and there are groups and there are piles of money being thrown around.
	You're absolutely right about that.
	I want to make it clear.
	You're completely correct.
	Yeah.
	So that's where I, and I'm not saying, and I said it on Bradley Martin, uh, as far as Tannis is concerned, I said, all, everything I say about the Berjit Macron thing is speculative.
	You know, is it a Russian operation, I said, that is a theory.
	That's like a working postulate that I haven't really even researched, but just that's kind of where my gut says.
	And we just need to be mindful.
	As I grow older, I see these kinds of memes, trends, and it's easy when you're eighteen and you have no orientation of politics.
	You kind of like, you know, when you're a kid, you don't know how this stuff works.
	And for me, I was a young Edgelord.
	I was a young shit poster troll.
	And you'd see the bigger accounts in the group chats pushing a meme, a certain narrative, something.
	And you say, oh, I like this poster.
	I like Gavin McGinnis.
	I like this guy, that guy, whatever.
	What they're pushing is funny.
	And I'm just using him as an example of a big poster.
	And you go, yeah, we're going to join in on this.
	And as I get older, I realize a lot of that stuff is backed by money.
	It's coordinated.
	It is like, it's a domain of warfare.
	It's information warfare.
	And that's why I'm just very, I scrutinize it a lot more and I'm very careful.
	I fully believe that Candice believes what she's saying.
	I actually don't doubt her sincerity.
	I just think that that whole narrative, maybe someone gave it to her.
	It might be a possibility.
	And even to the extent that it exists in Russia, it's either cookery or it's being picked up by an intelligence agency for some reason because it's very strange and conspicuous, the whole thing.
	So especially this, like, this idea that the West is like satanic pedophile elite.
	I don't doubt that there's something like that going on when you look at like spirit cooking and the Podestas and Pizza Gate.
	I also think that sometimes foreign intelligence leans into narratives like that to so content or dissonance inside our society.
	And it's it's our job to discern those things.
	It doesn't mean that every narrative like that is fake.
	It doesn't mean and, you know, not every narrative like that is true.
	It's up to us to discern.
	And so as far as the Brigitte thing is concerned, I think Candace is sincere.
	I don't find it very compelling.
	And I think at the minimum, it is being picked up by Russia on some level because Russia is adversaries with France.
	And as you know, the more you get into politics, the more you realize everything proceeds from intelligence and defense, everything proceeds from the national security state.
	The energy needs, the technology, the media information domain, these are all domains of warfare.
	We're in the age of complexity.
	And so if I can impress nothing else on my followers, it's that it's all warfare.
	It's all ongoing open, everyone against everyone warfare., even in the information space.
	No, you made some very important points and I'll make a quick personal story.
	Even when I was accused of human trafficking and locked up and all this bullshit, the American right never really disliked me in any regard.
	They all defended me.
	Even Ben Shapiro said that Andrew is correct about the things he says, but he has some of the wrong solutions, but he's by and large correct about the problems with society.
	The whole American right supported me.
	When I first came out of jail, there was no one on the American right who disliked me until October 8, when I told Piers Morgan that Israel was conducting a genocide.
	And then the whole American right turned against me instantly saying that I'm a degenerate because I have sex with more than one girl and that I'm a terrible person.
	I'm a pimp and all these things.
	These were accounts that were defending me the day before and that was organized inside of telegram groups that I've had access to and they were paid money to instantly slander me and turn against me.
	So you're completely correct.
	You're also completely correct in saying this is being picked up by Russian intelligence.
	Yeah, it was.
	I was fighting in China when the George Floyd riots were going on and before my fight I was watching the Chinese news and the Chinese news was saying that once again America is in turmoil as all of its unhappy citizens riot against their oppressors.
	The black people hate the white people and everyone hates.
	the government equally and everyone's dying.
	Did China instigate the George Floyd riots?
	I don't know.
	Or perhaps they just saw some division and jumped on it because that's what foreign intelligence agencies do.
	I don't think Russia told Candace to do it.
	And I know you, uh, you lightly alluded to a theory that somehow her and I were getting paid by Russia or something.
	I can tell you from personal experience that's absolutely not the case.
	So yeah, they jumped on it, but I don't think that takes away any of the validity of what she's doing.
	You're right in saying that absolutely everything is run by the intelligence agencies.
	That is correct.
	We're in a permanent and endless state of never ending war and America and Europe as a whole, their only chance of competing against China is to ally, especially China and Russia now that they're so close.
	So I do believe that there must be some degree in the European continent, some degree of interest.
	And I just think that perhaps, once again, I'm talking about feelings and instant, my instant thoughts when I saw your taking down of the Brigitte series, I just thought, is that really genuine from Nick or is that an attack?
	And once again, this is a personal decision.
	This is me speaking from my personality.
	I wasn't the one who was attacked by them like you were, but I have been attacked by a lot of people who I still currently talk to, work with or promote because I think it's better for the larger fight.
	So I agree with everything you're saying.
	I understand exactly where you're coming from.
	I think we're better as a team if we can all manage to work together.
	I also think there's a degree of, you know, Hollywood and arguments and fighting.
	All these things are very interesting to the anon who never has to put his face anywhere.
	You're never based enough for the anon account who has nothing to risk and nothing to lose.
	And these people are trying to instigate the endless wars and they like that we all argue because for them it's entertaining.
	And it's also great for them to come and write on my posts or Ian Carroll's posts or anyone's posts and say, you mentioned the Jews ninety nine times, but you didn't mention them a hundred times.
	So you're a Jew.
	It's like, okay, well, you have nothing to lose.
	And you also, nobody listens to you and nothing you say actually matters.
	And if you're going to be up here like you are, you understand very well the importance of nuance.
	You understand very well the importance of picking your battles.
	You understand very well the importance of being funny.
	The only reason you're not in jail is because you're funny.
	And the only reason I'm not in jail is because I'm funny.
	And a lot of these people who want to say the same things we say can't be funny.
	And humor is a shield.
	And a lot of people don't understand that.
	They're not smart enough to discern that we get away with doing what we do because we're funny with it.
	And there's a whole lot of things happening.
	And I, I, my, my point by large for the Guipers is I believe in the movement.
	I think it's fantastic.
	I think it's fantastic if we all work together.
	I just highlighted that I didn't think it was genuine when you attacked a Brigitte thing, but you defended yourself and I accept it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Can you guys hear me?
	Yeah.
	It's been a minute now.
	So I was fixing a lot of the stuff behind the scenes.
	The lag is gone.
	I apologize for that.
	And I know you guys wanted to talk this stuff out.
	So I just wanted to make sure, you know, let you all get, you know, the Graper stuff, Candace, Tucker.
	I know that's like pressing stuff.
	But did you guys want to hit anything else before I go into the questions or whatever?
	No, I think we, yeah, I mean, we sort of resolved the main stuff so far.
	So yeah, let's dive in.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So basically I got a couple questions here.
	And I think it'll be interesting because, you know, we can sit here and talk about certain topics and stuff like that.
	But I think these questions will give people a better insight as to, you know, your guys' mindset on some things.
	So what I'll do is I got these questions.
	I'll answer it first to give you guys time to, you know, come up with your own things because some of them are pretty thought-provoking.
	So I'll kind of keep it simple.
	So the first one I was going to ask was, looking back, what book, person?
	or event red pilled you right and how did that change the trajectory of your content or public persona so for me the thing that red pilled me and i I kind of broke it down into categories.
	What Red pilled me on women was reading the mystery method and a book called Conquer Campus when I was like graduating from high school, getting ready to go to college.
	Like that's what Red pilled me on women, figuring out this, you know, this whole thing about how important social status is to them and how they're looking for a small percentage of men.
	That's like when I found out about like the 80-20 rule, the Pareto principle, right?
	What Jude me, so what Jude me, what Red pilled me on the Jews was 9-11 and JFK.
	Right.
	No matter how you slice and dice it, there was absolutely Israeli fingerprints all over 9-11, all over the JFK assassination, especially when you look at the nuclear weapon component, which is all almost never mentioned in mainstream American media.
	Hell, even the movie JFK by Oliver Stone did everything in their power to omit the nuclear weapons angle.
	And then you find out that the movie was funded by a guy named Arnold Milchan, who was literally Israeli intelligence from the unacknowledged nuclear program.
	So like they had an incentive to keep that information from Americans.
	And this stuff has been like suppressed for a while.
	So that definitely red pilled me when it came to that.
	And then when it comes to money, real estate, usury, and basically central banking is what red pilled me on money.
	So I'll turn it to you guys.
	I mean, if you want to break it down in categories, you can.
	But those are the things that I would say red pilled me on those three topics Andrew, you want to go in and, uh, yeah, I can start first, isn't that how it works?
	Yeah.
	So the question is basically I'm at the back of the bus.
	Looking back, what book, person, or event red pilled you, right?
	And changed the way that you would make content or changed the trajectory of how you would make content for the rest of your life.
	What was the like the red pill on women, just so to speak, or the red pill on finance or whatever it may be.
	But either one of you guys could take it.
	All right then.
	I'll go.
	I'll go.
	Should I go?
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	So yeah, I'm I. A lot of my views come from personal experience.
	I wouldn't say I wouldn't say they were a book as such.
	I wouldn't say it was a movie I watched that Red Pilled me.
	I would say that, you know, Nick is definitely the figurehead of the movement against Jewish influence.
	And I think that I am and was the figurehead of the movement against feminism.
	And a lot of people have now come along and said that women are the foot soldiers of the Jewish influence.
	And perhaps that's true.
	But every single problem I saw with society led back to one place.
	And that doesn't mean they're bad people.
	It doesn't mean women are inherently evil.
	It means that societies have always been productive and functioned a certain way with a patriarchy.
	And it allowed us to feel like they had a stake in society worth fighting for.
	Men used to paint a beautiful girl on the side of a Spitfire and go die.
	Like we did all this for women, not because we hated women.
	We didn't oppress women.
	We did it for them, in service to them.
	And it turns out they've been massively ungrateful for that.
	And nearly any problem you can name, I can tie back to one thing.
	And it comes down to girls chasing Instagram likes instead of children and not listening to men.
	So I kind of came to this conclusion myself.
	And by and large, I had this this mentality for a very long time and I didn't really explode on the internet until COVID, when I decided to really fight back against the systems in the Matrix because COVID was complete insanity.
	And I was living in Sweden at the time in absolute freedom, by the way, with no mask, no vaccine, completely normal society while the rest of the world were locked in their houses and I thought, this is crazy.
	So that's when I started to explode online and get big.
	And I I never began the crusade intending to become the most googled man in the world.
	A lot of people don't actually know that in 2022, 2022, 2022, before I was arrested, I was saying to Tristan, this is the story of Icarus.
	We're way too big.
	They're going to come and they're going to get us.
	It turns out the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians, and I have that on paper.
	I have proof of them doing that, saying, shut this guy up.
	He's a national security issue because they knew that my momentum had to be stopped.
	And if I were to continue to red pill and continue to mobilize the young men of the world, that they would lose their grip on society.
	And that's why to this day, the UK government has an active warrant for my arrest because they know if I go to England, the Brov party will win the next election.
	They know that.
	So the second I land, I get thrown into jail for basically ever.
	And that's what they're doing to try and keep their grip on power.
	So much of it was just my own conclusions.
	And then I saw how upset everyone got by me saying these things.
	And I realized that if people are getting so mad by it, there has to be an element of truth to it.
	If I sit here and say the sky is green, everyone will ignore me.
	They don't care when you lie.
	They care when you say things that are close to the truth.
	And I kind of ran with it, and I wouldn't say there was any particular thing I read.
	A lot of it was just personal experience and tying it back to all the same problem because I believe patriarchal societies, if our society became patriarchal tomorrow, we could instantly fix ninety five percent of the issues we currently face.
	And if you look at the societies which are actually succeeding now, if you look at the Middle East and the societies are successful from.
	From a birth rate perspective, from a safety perspective, from an economic perspective, they're all patriarchal societies.
	And my main point I was making is that the West has now become a matriarchy.
	America is a matriarchal society currently as it stands right now today.
	Even under Trump, it's matriarchal.
	If a man wants to have power, if he wants to be in Senate or be a politician, he has to parade his wife around for some reason.
	Putin doesn't have to parade his wife around.
	I've never seen the King of Saudi parade his wife around.
	What do their wives even know about politics?
	Why are they there?
	I don't know.
	But we live in this insane matriarchy where women have so much power over men and they're using it to suppress and destroy the most masculine of men, which are the ones who are going to be tasked with defending the society.
	So I always had this gripe with that and that alone.
	And it turns out that big women are as powerful as big pharma and big education and big Jew because they fucking came for me.
	They didn't like what I said and they came for me hard.
	And of course they accuse you of crimes against women because it makes perfect sense for them to attack you with it.
	And here I am, eleven court cases deep.
	I've been federally investigated by the American government, the British government, the Polish government, the Hungarian government, the Romanian government.
	No one has enough evidence to put me in jail showing that I'm actually completely more innocent than the man you walk past in the mall.
	If anyone else went through this level of shit, they've been fucking jail.
	So also, tying back to our earlier conversation, there's a part of me that thinks, I've been through all this shit and then I get called a Jew and a Fed, like because I was the one who was red pilling the generation.
	I was the one who took all this risk to help everybody and now you go on Twitter and call me these things.
	It does, even though you don't care, it does make you think, well, what's the point of trying then?
	And this is why the elites win, by the way, especially in my position.
	I have 700 million dollars liquid.
	I can just fucking fuck off on a yacht and say fuck those peasants and just go be one of them.
	And I don't do that.
	I sit here and I try and tell the truth and I try and be honest about things and you get so little gratitude for it that I do believe when I'm talking about how our movements are subverted by the extremity on the inside of the movement, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
	And as Nick continues on his run, as he becomes more and more powerful, as he does more and more fantastic things and becomes a larger and larger political force, when X amount of his own movement turns against him and start calling him a Jew for something he once said, even he's going to sit there and go, this is fucking, what the fuck am I even trying for?
	Why did I get debunked for these fuckers?
	And that's what happened.
	So all in all, my mine was just personal experience with women, bro.
	I mean, I didn't have to watch Fresh and Fit.
	I knew what was going on for a very long time.
	Yeah.
	And I just added to what you were saying, because you were saying like, you know, obviously patriarchy just wins in general.
	And I would argue COVID was also like a big red pill because since women tend to defer to the masses, the fact that we locked down, the fact that we had all these scares, that I think is very indicative of how much we value the community nature of the world.
	Well, the reason they're so afraid of me and the reason they're trying to get rid of me is because when you have women in charge and then you use an emotional argument to manipulate the women and the women yell at their husbands and Matt Walsh says okay and then they sit home all day and that's what happens.
	So COVID was one big emotional argument but grandma was the fucking argument for locking us all in our house for years.
	That's a female mentality.
	A man would sit and say, well, grandma's going to die anyway.
	Grandma's 94 and I need to go to work.
	So men can be more ruthless and more logical.
	So yeah, COVID was one big psyop, run from the matriarchal frame, all of it.
	And every single man who was afraid of his wife got the vaccine because of grandma.
	And every single man who was in charge of his women said, None of us are getting the vaccine.
	This is bullshit.
	Shut up and turn it off and live their life as normal.
	So yeah, absolutely.
	And the primary objective of the Matrix, and I'm fighting a different fight than Nick and a different fight than you, but I truly believe the reason they are so hard on trying to make sure in every movie, in the culture, in the law, in all of these mechanisms that women are above men is because they can simply scare the women or use an emotional argument on the women.
	And if they're a charge of society, then they have absolute control over the society and they don't need to convince us of anything.
	Men must be convinced.
	You have to convince me.
	You don't have to convince a woman.
	You have to scare her.
	And that's much easier to do when you put up some Chinese dude falling over.
	I never saw anyone fall over on the street, but in China, supposedly, they're falling over left and fucking right, and chicks had a mental collapse.
	So I went to war against that because I saw it was all just a matriarchal mindset.
	And maybe at a level deeper, yeah, maybe there's not, maybe certainly there are groups and people who are doing this on purpose and weaponizing women against men.
	They've certainly weaponized women against me.
	I mean, I'm the fucking from personal experience, they call a thousand women who know me and they find one idiot and I get dragged to jail.
	I mean, they certainly weaponize women against me.
	So maybe women are not the tip of the spear.
	Maybe they're the foot soldier.
	Maybe they're the pawn and not the king and the queen.
	That's another argument.
	But that's where all my mindset came from.
	And That's why I was on the crusade I was on.
	And a lot of people misinterpreted and a lot of stupid people in my own movement misunderstood me and thought that means that you can beat the shit out of women or shoot them or run around, you know, and all these crazy things which once again gets applied to me and I go to jail.
	And that's not what I was saying.
	I was saying that the world's a happier place with men at the helm.
	That's what I was trying to do.
	What about you, Nick?
	I'll repeat it because I know we basically No, I remember.
	I remember.
	It's what red pilled you?
	Yeah, I got red pilled back in 2016 and it was a process like it is for everyone.
	I was a basic bitch conservative when I was in high school because I read all the bo libertarian stuff and I read all the conservative and neoconservative stuff.
	And I was just your, I was a Ben Shapiro fan, enough said.
	That's just what there was back in those days, if you were a mainstream person, you had Prager, you Breitbart, you had the usual suspects and what red pilled me, Trump was a big part of it.
	Sam Hyde was a big part of it.
	But I had a buddy of mine, he was like autistic.
	He was a straight up Asperger's genius.
	And he was on 4chan all the time.
	And he was a good friend of mine.
	We were in Model UN and other stuff together.
	And I'll never forget, I must have been a junioror, a senior in high school, and he called me into this room when we were setting up for our Model UN conference.
	And someone goes, Oh, Nick, there's this, there's this sophomore that's saying the Holocaust never happened.
	And I was like, Really?
	So I went in, I heard him out.
	I said, Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
	And then we went and we campaigned for Paul Nealon that summer, a couple of years later.
	And I was hitting him with all the Israel arguments.
	This was in 2016.
	I'm saying, but they fought four wars of extermination against Israel.
	Like Israel is this island of civilization and a sea of barbarians, all the usual shit.
	And he he fought back and made the case for the Palestinians and for the Arabs and all this.
	And I said, wow, that's really interesting.
	And what really did it for me is I got to the point in college, there were a number of other things that happened to me over time, but I got to the point in college where I said, is it all a Jewish conspiracy?
	And I thought to myself, there must be an argument that it isn't.
	Like there must be, like are they really suppressing this truth?
	There must be like a book out there that debunk all this stuff.
	And then what really did it for me is that on 911 in 2016, during the election, if you remember, Hillary Clinton was like not well, she was sick.
	And on 911 she did a thing with Donald Trump, actually.
	They were both in New York for the anniversary of 911 on the same day, and she fainted.
	And they literally picked her up like a rag doll and threw her into a van.
	I don't know if you remember that video, but she was literally like a rag doll, and they fucking threw her in a van.
	And then five hours later, they had all these explanations.
	They said, Oh, well, it's too hot.
	Oh, she actually had pneumonia.
	And she comes out of Chelsea Clinton's apartment and hugs like a little girl.
	And it's like, wait a second.
	So first you said it was too hot.
	Then you said she has pneumoniaonia, why is she hugging this kid?
	And everyone in the media lied about it.
	And in that moment, I knew if they could lie about this, they could lie about anything because they're willing and they're able to lie.
	And if people are not willing to investigate it or dig deeper because of censorship, because of, you know, it's regulated press, I said, then they could lie about all this stuff.
	And that for me, that's when I realized this, like, benefit of the doubt could not be afforded to any narrative, because that's really what it is.
	No one has investigated, the vast majority of people at that point had not investigated the 911 truth Movement or the Holocaust or Israel or any of these things.
	All they had was the benefit of the doubt.
	That stuff is conspiracy territory.
	We believe the government.
	We believe the mainstream narrative.
	And I said, if they can lie about something that I saw with my own eyes, then we can't afford the official narrative, the benefit of the doubt on any of these things.
	And so that was the big break for me.
	It wasn't a book.
	It was just kind of this gradual noticing and kind of taking this tenuous frame for how to perceive things and just seeing it confirmed over and over.
	And then when I saw that, I said, it's totally plausible that they're covering it up and that was it for me.
	So that perfectly dovetails into my next question.
	So my next question is, what was your first comment, tweet, video, or anything else that forever put you in the controversial category?
	And I'll go first on this one and then turn it to you guys.
	The thing that got me automatically put in the box of, you know, misogynists or whatever, which is kind of like how all this started was back in 2020.
	I made a comment saying, if a woman flakes on a date, you need to punish that bad behavior and she's got to go ahead and pay for the first round of drinks when you guys meet up on the reschedule, right?
	And like the view and a bunch of, you know, left-wing shows looked at it like what are we dogs this guy's over here saying you gotta you gotta punish bad behavior but what i was really doing was i was telling guys like you can't accept poor behavior from women and reward it so you gotta you know if she makes a mistake you gotta make her pay for that and they obviously likened it to training a dog which a maybe that's what i meant but the point is is that after i made that comment because it went viral on tick tock it got millions of views and this is right after i had left the government right i wasn't even on the internet like that and
	this is back when tick tock like still had an organic um you know uh sharing ability with the algorithm so i would say that was the first thing that kind of got me in there and then obviously a bunch of other things i said about um women and, you know, top H and all this other shit.
	But I would say that's the one thing that, like, started it.
	So what about you guys?
	I know you guys probably have a couple of things that, like, put you on the map, but what would you guys say is the most controversial thing you said that put you in this box forever?
	Nick, most controversial thing that got me in there.
	Um, there was a lot of things over the years, you know, one thing after the next.
	I would say it was the cookie joke is really what did it because, you know, and it's so stupid.
	It's always the dumbest shit, isn't it?
	It's never like your actual good jokes, your favorite jokes.
	It's always the stupid shit that they use.
	And at that point, so I was canceled in 2017 for just a lot of nonsense.
	And I was young and I wasn't very big.
	I was a very minor streamer.
	And then in 2019, I started to get a little traction because I was going really hard against Charlie Kirk and against Ben Shapiro.
	And it was going really well and everybody was on my side.
	And what they used to kind of shoot me out of the sky was this joke where some super chatter sent in, they said, well, if the cookie monster has six million cookies, how long does it take to, you know, whatever?
	And they used that to frame the me as a Holocaust denier.
	So up until that point, you know, they could have said I was all right.
	Well, that doesn't mean anything.
	They could have said I was a white supremacist.
	Okay, they call everyone that.
	But then they took that joke and said, Oh, he's a Holocaust denier.
	And they literally at that point, that joke was a year old.
	I didn't even come up with it, someone else sent it.
	Not that I don't own the sentiment, but it was such a stupid fucking thing.
	And then I get the Washington Post calling me and saying, Do you deny the Holocaust?
	Do you believe it was six million?
	And I'm like, really?
	So that was kind of what really took me out for a minute.
	And, you know, but they call me fucking everything.
	So there's a million reasonsons I'm canceled, but that was maybe the big one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I still use that reference to this day with the whole Cookie Monster thing.
	I think it's like a funny way to kind of bring it up.
	But what about you, Andrew?
	What would you say is a comment or tweet or statement that put you in the controversial box forever?
	Yeah, I was around for a while and I was telling the truth for a while.
	And then on a podcast in Croatia, we were discussing the age of women and I said that men prefer women who are younger.
	You prefer a woman who's 21 as opposed to 30.
	And the people asked why.
	And I said'cause she's been fucked less.
	And I made the point that the more men who have fucked her, the less likely she is to really truly fall in love with you.
	So I made this point that it's not pedophilia to like younger women.
	You're just trying to find a woman with less life experience because by buying, they've been fucked less than older women.
	Anyway, I made that point.
	The podcast came out the next day.
	400 different Instagram accounts had the same post and the same caption saying I was dangerous and misogynistic and homophobic and racist all at once.
	I didn't even say anything homophobic or racist.
	They just threw that in there.
	And this is where I always knew that the Matrix was real, but it was kind of flabbergasing.
	The next day I woke up and 400 accounts had the exact same post about me.
	Also, the ADL said I was anti Semitic on that day.
	I was like, I didn't even mention the Jews ever at this point.
	I never even mentioned them.
	And now I'm on that list.
	So that was really weird.
	And then 24 hours after that, I got the mass ban.
	Every single app on my phone logged out.
	My Gmail, my Skype, my Airbnb.
	I got banned on Instagram, banned on Discord, WhatsApp was banned, every single application.
	They banned me overnight and they started putting me on the BBC saying that I'm dangerous and I was banned for being a terrorist.
	Was this a depression isn't real?
	Because I remember when you said depression isn't real got traction and a lot of people, you know, were unhappy by it.
	But that was the one comment that really sent the world into overdrive.
	And I sat there and I thought, why are they so threatened by that?
	And the extension is very simple.
	If you tell men to have standards for themselves, you're now an enemy of the system because they don't want men to have any degree of standard.
	And that's where the right-wing Christians and the Catholics hate me because they're basically saying, don't have standards.
	They're saying, meet a woman and marry her and do the right thing.
	Well, she's probably a fucking horror, bro.
	I'm not doing that.
	And they say, I'm a bad person.
	Well, I make a whole bunch of white babies.
	I'm white enough.
	When I find a white woman, my kids look white as snow.
	So I'm out here having white babies.
	And throughout all of the bullshit I've been through, have any of my women betrayed me?
	We saw what happened with Crowder's wife and all these people.
	Has anyone come out and betrayed me?
	Some whores have come out and accused me of bullshit.
	Have any of the women with my kids or the women I'm close with betrayed me, let me down, or have they all stuck by me the whole way through?
	Like I have good women around me with good loyalty inside them, so I must be doing something right.
	But as soon as I told men men to have any degree of standard for themselves and not instantly accept women and all their bad decisions, the entire system had a meltdown.
	And I think that's what really red pilled me and made me realize that, yeah, big women's a thing.
	What person was that?, Andrew?
	2021?
	2021.
	I think it's a couple layers below, perhaps to true power structures at the top, but women are certainly the pawns, they're the foot soldiers convincing.
	And this is the thing that's so sad about it.
	And this is the thing when I make these tweets, which are deliberately prerogative and people attack me for them, they're deliberately using women to attack white men.
	Only white men listen to women.
	Black men don't listen to women.
	We don't listen to what they say.
	We don't care.
	White men are the only ones who say, well, the wife said one kid's enough.
	Well, if you're going to listen to her and she's a tool being used to get rid of your race, well then you're going to go extinct.
	So I realized I really hit a nerve with that because of the massive backlash.
	And then my legal problems began.
	And then the UK Foreign Office wrote to the Romanians and we all know the rest of the story.
	So that's when I really knew I was close to something.
	And big women is a serious fight.
	And I think a lot of people underestimate how much trouble you can get into just saying as a man that you're allowed to have standards and you're allowed to expect loyalty and integrity from women.
	And you for the same reason you don't want disloyal men around you.
	You don't want disloyal women around you.
	And their pasts do matter because if someone was a thief their whole life, they're going to continue to steal.
	And if they were a whore their whole life, they'll continue to be a whore.
	And all these things are very valid, but for some reason you can't say them.
	And at the time, the internet was a lot more controlled.
	Nick, with all due respect, was you barely saw him.
	He he was they had his ass locked out.
	And I I was around a little bit, but Kamala was in charge and all these things, and they did their very best to get rid of me.
	So that's when I really realized that they are very threatened by the basic idea of masculine integrity, sovereignty and honor and strength.
	They're threatened by men who are not afraid of them.
	That's all it is.
	They're threatened by men who do not bend to peer pressure.
	I got a question for you, Nick, because when it comes to women, me and Tate have a very similar ideology.
	Get sexual experience, increase your net worth, become the highest status you can be, and then kind of have your pick of the litter and get to a position where female sexual leverage can no longer control you, right?
	Someone like yourself, right?
	You're religious, you're devout Catholic.
	Obviously, you're young.
	You have a huge young audience that follows you.
	Obviously, on one end, you have the Catholic mindset where, you know, monogamy, one wife, et cetera.
	But on the other hand, we know the realities of modern women now in 2025 versus 1955.
	And a lot of people that are your kind of counterparts, like a Matt Walsh, et cetera, advocate for the monogamy style, um, despite the fact that we're dealing with modern women.
	So as a guy that's like religious, right?
	That's religious but still based to what modern women are.
	What's your view on this situation?
	How should men navigate the parasxual marketplace in your opinion?
	Well, I did a whole show about this on the Walsh versus Tate debate.
	And obviously I'm Catholic, so I do believe in one wife, one wife monogamous, no adultery, no cheating, and you have kids.
	But I do think that the Tradcats, the Traditionalists.
	They're just not being honest about the deal.
	They want to larp like it's the 50s, but it's not the 50s and that matters.
	You know, they're telling everyone, get married young, have more kids than you can afford.
	And that was the law, you know, 100 years ago.
	Maybe that was the rule.
	That's what everyone was doing.
	But the whole situation was different.
	There was a social and cultural taboo against women even being like bossy, mouthy, sarcastic.
	They didn't want to be a shrew.
	They didn't want to be a bitch.
	They couldn't just divorce you without any reason by themselves and then take your stuff and your kids.
	They didn't have group chats, they didn't have TikTok, they didn't have Instagram.
	It was a different world.
	And so, you know, a lot of people like to, it really is a reckless message.
	And they like to say out of this LARP, you know, pandering to the crowd, they say, Oh yeah, get married young, have more kids than you can afford.
	You know what the elite would hate?
	Have more kids, all this kind of stuff.
	And my message to the young men is, you really have to get solid before you consider marriage.
	And when you get married, it has to be an extremely judicious decision.
	You know, if you're going to have a wife, and I believe you should have one wife, you have to pick the right one.
	one, you have to lay the basic rules early.
	You know, a lot of these young Catholic men, they're so taken by the women because they have no experience with them that they become Simps and the women run their shit.
	And I see it.
	I know people, I know many people that are like this.
	You know, I know many young men who are married and the wife runs their shit.
	She wears the pants.
	And these good little Catholic boys, it's almost like they buy into it more than the woman does.
	Because a good little Catholic guy says, Oh, she's an angel.
	God gave me an angel and all this kind of stuff.
	And the woman is thinking this pussy.
	I'm going to be the one who's in charge of the house and I hate seeing it.
	And for this, they call me gay.
	For this, they say I'm antifamily.
	For this, they say I'm a fake Catholic.
	They say, why don't you encourage your followers to get married?
	I think they should do it, but I think they should do it responsibly and they got to put the women in their place.
	You know me, here's the thing.
	I find women incredibly annoying.
	I'm a super high IQ person.
	I find most people annoying in general.
	I think women are dumber than men.
	I find them extraordinarily annoying and I don't know how most men don't.
	And if I'm ever going to get married, the arrangement is not going to be that I'm getting mar nagged, that I'm getting told what to do, that I'm checking in with my wife.
	It's like, you're going to do your fucking obligations.
	You're going to leave me alone and you're going to be my wife.
	You're not going to be my buddy.
	You're not going to be my best friend.
	You're going to be my damn ass wife.
	And a lot of people say, Oh, well, that means you don't really like women that much.
	It's like, Yeah, I kinda don't.
	I mean, not as friends.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, if I think about, yeah, you know what I mean?
	Like, I'm annoying, dude.
	I like, I talk to them every day.
	It's literally, I don't know anyone that enjoys the company of women that fucking sucks, but continue, keep going.
	I'm just Yeah, I mean, look, you, you know, you want to fuck them and everything, but like, do I, when I think about, I want to.
	go out and have the best time of my life, I think I want to go with my best male friend.
	I want to go with my best male friend who is intellectual and intelligent and risk-taking and that.
	I don't think like, oh, we're going on a trip.
	You know what would make this really awesome?
	If my wife were here, if my fucking wife were alive, you know, and here's the litmus test.
	If there's no possibility of sex at all, I still gonna have a great time with a woman.
	Absolutely not.
	It's only fun if there's a possibility of sex because the game is fun.
	The game of am I gonna get late?
	Am I, you know, when men talk about that.
	That's the part that's fun.
	The part that's fun is not her witty banter.
	It's not her stupid fucking inane commentary.
	It's the fact that you're playing a game.
	It's like gambling.
	And anyway, so I try to explain that doesn't come across all the time, but that's kind of my, you know, maybe my fence sitting position.
	I'm spiritually with Tate, but by law, I'm with Matt Walsh, I guess.
	And that's kind of why I wanted to ask you that so much because Andrew, me and you have had private conversations on this stuff for years, how much women annoy us and stuff like that.
	And I find it interesting that, and I'm going to turn it to you, Andrew, that they call us gay.
	They call us weird because we don't enjoy the company of women.
	We'd rather be around like-minded guys that have a higher IQ so that we can make each other sharper.
	But then, normies will sit there and be like be like, You don't want to be around women, you're gay.
	Like it's retarded, but go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, I think white people especially have a very precarious scenario because they're on the risk of basically simplying themselves into extinction.
	Like whenever I see these OnlyFans girls say, I made a million dollars in a day.
	I know there's not a single nigger who sent her a dollar.
	Like that's all white people.
	That's white people.
	That's white boys.
	A lot of them are the same ones talking about getting married.
	And I could even talk about my webcam company I had, which I've been very honest and open about.
	All those were white men.
	They were all married.
	They all were I love my wife and then going to the toilet with a laptop jerking off when their wife isn't with me.
	They're not even loyal.
	That's the worst thing about it.
	They pretend to be loyal, but maybe they can't do any better or they're scared of getting divorced, raped.
	They're not even actually genuinely loyal.
	So white people are in a really precarious scenario because they're the only ones who listen to women at all.
	And they're on the verge of basically simping themselves into extinction.
	The OnlyFans girl who just extorted Shannon Sharp and sued him for sexual assault and took all his money, took ten million dollars and quit her OnlyFans.
	All her stories now on Instagram are the Bible and Catholic Church.
	She just got a fucking payout and now she's walking around there.
	And I guess what?
	some little white boy Catholic who meets her, holds her hand and says, I can't believe that big black man did those evil things to you.
	You definitely didn't want him to fuck you like that, you poor thing.
	Let me marry you, love you darling, and maybe get one kid out of it before he gets divorced, raped, and ends up fucking sending money to some other OnlyFans girls.
	This is a big white problem.
	This simping shit is a white issue.
	It's a big one.
	And it's difficult.
	It is difficult.
	And I understand what Nick's saying about, you know, he he's a Catholic and he has certain rules and certain things he wants to live by.
	I get it.
	The life system I came up with was basically me just looking at the chessboard and going, okay, there's the g best move on the board?
	How do I get children?
	How do I not end up being nagged?
	How do I not get divorced raped?
	How do I keep my sovereignty?
	And I made that decision to do those things so I can have 25 children because I believe that's the most important thing to do.
	But doing that has alienated a huge swath of people doing that.
	You then say I'm a bad person because I'm not married and I don't have one wife and I'm not Catholic and that I'm a terrible Jew for some reason, not understanding that their mindset is the reason they are being replaced in their countries and they're simping themselves to extinction.
	They write to me that I'm a bad person with one hand and click pornhub dot com with the other fucking hand and jerk off the girls who are actually human trafficked.
	So the whole thing is so hypocritical and stupid.
	But by and large, yeah, there was a pretty simple societal contract which has now been broken.
	I'll take care of you.
	I'll protect and provide for you, and you'll do as I say.
	And that's now been broken and women don't want to listen and men are still expected from the TRADCONs at least to do all the work with no of the rewards.
	And I think as Nick quite correctly pointed out, it's very dangerous to tell young men to go and sign up for that deal, especially when the full force of the law will come down anytime she wants and destroy the guy.
	So before, you know., we're right.
	We have a lot of things to do when it comes to noticing, a lot of things when it comes to getting hold of the reins of power.
	That's all true.
	But we also have a lot of things to do when it comes to the simple fact that we need people to have families that they're proud of, that they can reproduce within without being completely fucking decimated emotionally, financially and most importantly, spiritually.
	No man is going to go to war for his country if he doesn't feel like the king of his own house.
	If he comes home and his wife doesn't listen to him and he's getting fucking henpecked, he's not going to go and defend that street or defend that town.
	You're breaking the man's spirit.
	You're breaking his soul over a fucking toilet seat.
	And you're wondering why they get away with what they get away with.
	That's why big women such a threat.
	That's why they push it so heavily.
	That's why they have the full force of the law behind them.
	Who all who, by the way, are men with guns, men.
	So it's a it's a really precarious scenario.
	And I have a lot of young people who come to me and ask the same question, and I don't even have an answer because I'm in a very unique situation.
	I'm one of the most famous men on the planet with hundreds of millions of dollars.
	Of course I can get women to have my kids.
	Of course I can see them all.
	I fly my kids around in private jets all day and get them in three in and out of the house a day.
	No, no, no one else can do that.
	If you're a normal man, what do you do?
	How do you set yourself up to win?
	It's extremely difficult, but it is a conundrum that must be solved.
	Shit.
	So my next question, and this is a little bit more in-depth, but obviously we talked about with you, Andrew, your comments on women in roughly 2021.
	That kind of put you on the radar.
	You, Nick, the Cookie Monster comment getting ostracized by conservative media.
	At what moment did you say, okay, now I'm 10 toes down on this, right?
	Like what made you say, okay, this experience right here, I'm 10 toes down.
	I could kind of go through me and then turn it over to you guys.
	For me, as you know, Nick, me and you had been talking about this for what?
	Well over two years now, right?
	And I credit a lot of my knowledge on this topic of, you know, us being, you know, subverted to discussions I had with you, discussions I had with Ryan Dawson and many others.
	And at the end of 2023, when I got demonetized, banned off a bunch of different platforms, et cetera, for talking about this, because we were talking about this before October 7th.
	I want to make it very clear, just to add more criticism, you've been going through, Nick, if you talked about Israel, Zionism, any any of this stuff prior to 10 7 you were pretty much guaranteed to be cooked off any mainstream social media platform, right?
	So we talked about it before then.
	And then what ended up happening is I got all this shit happening, right?
	So the thing that made me say, you know what, fuck it was when I started seeing limbs of kids getting blown off, when I started seeing that we were paying for literally what's going on right now is a genocide.
	I think it's irrefutable now that what's going on is a genocide.
	Every single scholar that's a genocide scholar, hell, even Holocaust researchers are coming out and saying this is a genocide.
	I said it on October 8th and got 11 months back in jail for it.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And that was still when things were hazy through the fog of war.
	But now I would say almost two years later, right?
	It's pretty apparent what's going on.
	So for me, after I saw what happened and how Israel responded and used our tax dollars to literally wage not just the war in Gaza, but to conduct a war throughout the entire Middle East, right?
	Like they've been doing with, you know, a lot of these like the clean rape memo or whatever.
	That's when I said, you know what?
	I'm going to keep talking about this shit.
	They're not going to stop me.
	These motherfuckers robbed me of my money.
	They robbed me of my platform.
	I'm not going to let them get away with this shit.
	So that's kind of where I said, I don't give a fuck anymore.
	We're going to keep going.
	What was that moment for you guys?
	Well, for me, you know, I got canceled very young.
	I got canceled when I was eighteen and there was really just no other option for me, you know, because I basically got canceled within four months of starting my career.
	I started my show on February 17.
	I was canceled by March or April or May of the same year.
	And for me, it was the only way out was through.
	I knew that if I just took my lump, I was just never going to work in politics.
	I had already been blacklisted.
	So the idea that I would get a job at Campus Reform or Daily Wire, Prager U, I was out.
	And I was out because of my views.
	I knew at that time, not even just my views about the Jews, but about race, about anything of it, it was just not kosher.
	I couldn't get access or opportunities anywhere.
	It was so gay back then.
	People don't even realize.
	People forget that.
	And that's why I think I don't get enough credit because back in 17, it was like you had to be on board with like limitless immigration and like gay marriage and feminism to be in the right wing to have a job.
	Like I remember there were people at like Daily Caller that thought they were based because they would sneak in like the most entry level red pill or something in an article or whatever.
	So I basically made the decision I was going to have to kind of build my own thing.
	I was going to have to do my own thing and change the culture, either make my scene on the outside So big or by existing on the outside, change the inside.
	And that is, that is what happened either with some of my influence or probably just due to the course of events on some level.
	But it was very early on.
	I just made the decision that, look, I'm in politics.
	I'm just going to do it.
	I'm just going to figure it out one day at a time.
	So I was on the outside almost from the very beginning and there was never going to be any other way for me.
	I guess the big thing was I tried to get a job in the conservative movement at the Leadership Institute and I went there for a two week job training.
	And the first day they said, everyone in the class go up go up and down and answer the question why you're a conservative.
	And I gave this like speech.
	I was like, you know, France isn't lower France.
	America's not lower America.
	I'm like, if we don't close the damn borders to these immigrants, our civilization's gone.
	It's about the people.
	And which like nowadays, it's like, okay, that's like one hundred one.
	But the lady who oversee the class, she was an immigrant herself.
	She tanked my application the first day.
	And so I said, wow, I can't even get an entry level job at like this bum fuck like nonprofit or whatever.
	creating leadership institute chapters on college campuses.
	I was like, if I can't get a job here, this is really cooked.
	I was fired from RSBN like a week later.
	So that's kind of what did it for me.
	It's like, clearly I'm not going to be able to climb this ladder at all.
	So I had to go and just do it myself.
	And let me, let me, because I really want to have the audience understand this, right?
	So as you guys know, I cover dating and self-improvement, all this other stuff, right?
	I've been recently getting pretty involved in political commentary, right?
	And, you know, me coming in as an outsider, right?
	And then coming in and seeing how the conservative media apparatus works.
	It's controlled by Jews, bro.
	It's fucking crazy.
	And I don't think people understand how much of a career destruction it is to be a political commentator in conservative media and not be supportive of Israel.
	It is literally a death sentence.
	So I just wanted to add a little bit more credit to what you're saying here because until you go into that field and you see what's going on, you'll never understand how bad they will blackball you if you don't have the right opinion.
	about Israel.
	And this is me coming in as an outsider observing this.
	So, bro, kudos to you, man.
	And I don't think you get enough credit for talking about this shit for so long.
	And literally losing everything for it, dude, because conservative media is absolutely fucking run by them.
	But, uh, but Andrew, what about you?
	What would you say was the turning point where you said, I'm Tento's in now fuck these assholes?
	No, you're absolutely right because it's an indefensible position by this point to still be defending Israel and a lot of the mainstream conservative influencers are still trying to do it.
	In fact, it's tanked conservatism as a whole.
	I would argue that this whole Israel Palestine debate has destroyed the whole idea of conservatism as a whole because I have nothing against Charlie Kirk, for example.
	I don't know him.
	I've never spoken to him in my life.
	I've seen him on the campus destroying people about the basic things about, you know, transgender or whatever.
	I've nothing against him.
	But the second he defends Israel, it's indefensible.
	It's indefensible.
	There's no way to defend blowing children to pieces.
	You can't do that.
	And the fact that they still try to do it, even though it's a completely indefensible position, shows how afraid they are of the blackballing and of the backlash.
	My mentality was, I guess, perhaps I came to this conclusion, which isn't completely correct, but I like to believe that our enemies, although they're evil, they're not particularly special individuals.
	They're not particularly unique.
	They're not actually great people.
	They're evil people, but they're not great people.
	And this was my conclusion from going from a Lewton Council estate, a single mother household, mixed race guy, all the way up to like the Bagatti Owners Club and hundreds of millions of dollars.
	And my entire way up the chain, I was like, so where are the good people at?
	Where are the amazing individuals?
	And you get up to the top and realize that everyone's a fucking dick shit.
	Even the people who are running the country's a dick shit.
	Even all these people with all this power is a dick shit.
	Keir Starmer's a dick shit.
	They're all fucking dumb.
	And I came to this conclusion that somehow all of the people who have agency amongst themselves, who are unafraid of the cancellation and peer pressure, who are charismatic, who are mentally strong, these people always seem to be on the right side side.
	And all the people who are on the wrong side, although they may have power on paper, are very un Extraordinary Individuals.
	They're really not impressive people.
	And I guess from there, I just kind of started to push my audience.
	My message is very base level.
	It's very mental strength, physical strength.
	Don't be afraid.
	Get rich so they can't cancel you at your job.
	Stick up for yourself, escape the matrix, be sovereign.
	And then I added all this in with trying to encourage men to be charismatic, to say what they need to say in a way that people are going to agree with them.
	I like me and you have done it on Fresh and Fit.
	We'll sit down, talk to a bunch of whores and by the end of it have them saying, Yeah, I'm a whore.
	I shouldn't have done trying to just encourage masculine strength and care charisma in the buy large.
	I was trying to bring people over to our side of the fight because I think our enemies are actually the most unimpressive people on the planet.
	So once I felt like that was the way out, I just doubled down on it.
	It wasn't just about me.
	I know Andrew Tate fans train mentally and physically.
	I know Andrew Tate fans are hard to intimidate.
	I know Andrew Tate fans will say what they believe in.
	I know Andrew Tate fans are trying to get rich.
	I know Andrew Tate fan.
	I know what they're doing.
	And I, and buy large, anyone who does those things falls on the right side of history.
	So that's that see here.
	Okay, here's a good one that I want to.
	So what do you guys think is the most misunderstood position that you hold, right?
	That people always mischaracterize.
	If you do an interview, it's almost guaranteed to fucking come up, right?
	And knowing what you know now, how would you reframe it?
	I can go ahead and go first here on this one.
	So one of the positions that Make six figures a year and have at least half a year of savings in a bank account somewhere.
	Be in good shape.
	obviously be 35 years old or older and then have 50 women.
	Now, no one really argues with me about the four things I mentioned before.
	But when I talk about having sex with 50 girls, people really harp in on that 50 number and say that's degenerate, blah, blah, blah.
	But the reason why I say that is because I want guys to be in a position where sex is no longer novel to them, right?
	So that they can be in a position of dominance where their girl can't leverage sex against them for compliance, right?
	This happy wife, happy life bullshit, right?
	Just because I understand how feminism and modern women in general have changed the dating dynamic or the marriage dynamic to even to the point where we got people that are religious like Nick that can even acknowledge it.
	So a lot of people mischaracterize that position.
	It's like, oh, it's got to be a hard 50.
	Look, dude, it could be five.
	It could be one.
	But my point is, I just need you to get to a point where sex is no longer novel to you and your wife can't hold it against you.
	So that's my position that people always fucking misconstrue and try to attack me on.
	But when I actually explain it full through, they're like, oh, that makes sense.
	But you know how people are.
	They watch clips.
	They don't watch full content ever.
	So what would you guys say is one of your positions that's always fucking mischaracterized and you got to clarify.
	And then if you could do it again, how would you reframe it now knowing what you know?
	I mean, it depends on where it's com like everything and it's always been everything.
	You know, it's they mischaracterize my position on race, Israel, women, you name it.
	Or if it's from the right, I would say the biggest one is that I'm an extremist.
	I mean, I don't think I'm an extremist at all.
	I think I'm moderate.
	It's kind of like my new thing because I talk to these people and they're anticipating me to be like a raging, a caricature of a skinhead or something like that.
	And when it really comes down to it, with regard to all these different issues, I think that what is called far right, what is called anti Semitic, what is called white supremacist,, it's really just reality.
	You know, I had a clip that went viral over the past couple of weeks where I'm talking about black people in Chicago.
	And we emerged from a time recently where there was so much political correctness around the subject of race and race relations between blacks and whites.
	And so I think the conversation is sufficient now.
	People see my take and what I'm saying is like, look, the city is a shithole.
	And it's a shithole because you got car jackings happening all the time.
	It's because you have this like impropriety everywhere.
	You know, we talk about black people in America., people talk about fatigue, you know, fatigue from dealing with black people.
	It's like we all know in our lived experience in our day to day what we can expect from black people is people being inconsiderate, people being rude, aggressive, menacing, not following the rules.
	And that's kind of always been my position.
	It's like, you know, on some level people look at a person like me or others and they think we want to ship all the black people out of America.
	We want to kill them all or something like that.
	And it's like they've been here forever.
	They've been here for four hundred years.
	They've been here longer than my family's been here.
	We just want them to behave.
	We just want to hold everyone to a standard where people are polite, respectful, and respectful.
	Respectful, clean, decent, peaceful and the rest of it.
	And it's like now that I'm back on these mainstream platforms, I do a monologue about it.
	And even the black people are all saying, yeah, I agree with him.
	I understand where he's coming from.
	So, you know, that's just like one example.
	I think that we really just need to return to common sense and not like the gay common sense like Donald Trump, where, you know, he says common sense is like no transgenderism.
	I'm talking about like old school racism being common sense where it's like, yeah, we all know not all black people are bad.
	We also know what's going on with them, you know, and yeah, we don't have some weirdird desire to like dominate women or bully them, but we're also like, yeah, they're they need to be put in their place.
	You know, they do need a strong hand.
	They do need someone to treat them in an assertive way.
	And even as far as the Jews are concerned, for centuries, for millennia, we know what's going on with the Jews.
	Now, we don't want to kill them all.
	We don't want to hurt them.
	You know, people say, you're a Nazi.
	You want another Holocaust.
	Absolutely not.
	At the same time, we know they fucking love Israel and they're very tribalist.
	Is it a good idea to have them running in Congress when they're walking in with an IDF uniform?
	Obviously not.
	So we just need that kind of old school common sense.
	I would say that's maybe the rebrand.
	I would say a moderate.
	That's the misunderstanding.
	Yeah, to taking trips to Israel when they should be figuring out the Epstein files, shit like that.
	And I'll tell you this, Nick, like, it's funny to me because, you know, people that aren't familiar with you or whatever, one of the first things they say is, you're friends with a white supremacist.
	And I'm like, you know, this guy hates black people.
	Why are you even around?
	And I'm like, that's not true.
	Like, he doesn't.
	I know him in person.
	I've known him for a few years now.
	Very cordial, very nice.
	And then people forget that you literally helped Yay with Yay 24.
	So if you were so racist, why would you be helping a black black man become president of the United States.
	So I always laugh when they say this stuff, when they say that dumb shit, but what about you, Andrew?
	What would you say is one of your positions that's always mischaracterized whenever you do interviews?
	I know a lot of people, there's a bunch with you, I know they mischaracterize.
	Yeah, but none of the mischaracterizations are genuine.
	None of them are genuine mischaracterizations.
	It's the fine people hoax all over again.
	It's the wrap up smear.
	They do it on purpose and they know exactly what they're doing.
	They take something you've said and they take a small part of it and they take it off context and they repeat it over and over again.
	As I said, the whole Christian, even the Jewish right wing, no one had a problem with me really until I talked about it October 8th and they had a huge problem with me all of a sudden and it was all instant and overnight and it changed instantly and completely.
	So nothing of it's genuine.
	And, you know, Nick's pointing out very basic pattern recognition.
	That's why humans are alive.
	We learned the pattern recognition that if you go near the tiger you get eaten by the tiger.
	If you eat that plant it's poisonous.
	It's fucking pattern recognition at this point.
	It's not racism.
	It's not antisemitism.
	The things we're pointing out are simply very well known pattern recognition and people are too afraid to say them.
	But I don't think any of my views are genuinely misunderstood.
	I don't believe I could have said them in any other way to make people understand them.
	I believe no matter how I said it, they would have taken it, twisted it and weaponized it.
	And one of the things that's most important you have to understand about the world is when they weaponize things against you, they always weaponize virtue.
	They're not going to weaponize the fact that, you know, they're not going to sit there and pretend that you're a bad person unless they get to be a great person.
	So they're going to come along and pretend they give a shit about women so much that they can attack me.
	And they're going to come along and pretend they give a fuck about the Holocaust so they can attack Mick and you guys and me.
	It's all just weaponized virtue garbage.
	It's the oldest trick in the book, but a lot of people still fall for it.
	So if you're going to tell the truth in this world, if you're going to sit there and say, yeah, this is the actual reality of what's happening.
	You're always gonna get pinned with some shit, no matter how you say it.
	And the most important thing you can do is not give a fucking double down.
	Every time I got in trouble, the BBC used to print articles about my emergency meetings when I said racist words.
	So then I started saying them fifteen times a show, so many times that they can't print it anymore.
	You can't do the same article every fucking day, nigger.
	So I just kept doing it.
	You have to double down on it.
	And a lot of people are afraid to do that because of the backlash.
	But no matter what you try and do and say, they're just going to attack you with it all day long.
	Speaking of mischaracterized positions, and I kind of want to throw this at Nick real quick because I think I've been seeing so many people talk about this and I don't think they give you a fair shot.
	So we've got a lot of people watching right now.
	By the way, guys, if you're watching our freshman, I'm going to switch over to Marin Gates.
	to Myron Gaines X on both Rumble on YouTube.
	So come on over.
	I'm going to end the fresh of fist stream here in a second, but I'm going to ask this question first.
	So Nick, a lot of people say that you are an undercover dem.
	You used to support Trump.
	Now you don't support him.
	You have an issue with JD Vance.
	You're criticizing him because you're a hater, right?
	People come at you and say that you're doing, you know, you're trying to mess with the Republican Party, blah, blah, blah.
	Right?
	Now, I know the reasons why, right?
	And I make sense, but I don't think like people have.
	give you a fair shot when you give your criticisms of Trump and his running mate, JD Vance.
	And I want to give you credit as well because you called it April of last year that JD was going to be the vice president.
	And then boom, fast forward to July in the RNC and he gets, you know, put in there.
	Because I remember I was there, right?
	And the first thing he's talking about is attacking Iran, punch him in the nose.
	So I think it's pretty much undisputed now in the right wing, conservative media, that your predictions have been damn near flawless.
	So if you could kind of just go over, because I think a lot of people mischaracterize your position on Trump and on JD Vance.
	I'll kind of just throw it to you there.
	And you can.
	just take it wherever you want and guys come on over to myrrn gains ex on everywhere uh on rumble youtube whatever i'm going to end the freshwest stuff but go ahead nick yeah i mean as far as um the whole democrat thing is It's very amusing to me.
	It's very amusing.
	I almost don't even mind it because, you know, people are fucking retarded about politics.
	Like, on some level, you'd like to think that we're starting to get it.
	The people are waking up.
	They see what Israel's doing.
	And then at the same time, you have to keep the Pareto principle in mind, the eighty twenty principle, which is that like eighty percent of the population is scum.
	They're just like worthless scum.
	Now, they're not worthless, but they're low IQ, low IQ followers, whatever you want to call it.
	It's a twenty eighty principle.
	80-80 principle or an 80-20 principle.
	And here's what I mean by this.
	As far as I'm concerned, we are so through the rabbit hole.
	Like I got red pilled when I turned eighteen and I was in college ten years ago, whatever it was.
	And we're at the point now where you have these basic norms, they're just discovering Israel.
	At the same time, I go and criticize Trump for something or another thing and people say, yeah, but I mean, the Democrat would have been worse, don't you think?
	But the Democrats would have been far worse.
	This is better than Kamala, wouldn't you say?
	And to me, this is just such a basic mechanism of control, which is how the regime will pay the will play the right off the left.
	I almost feel like it's passe.
	It is, it's trite to even suggest that the right and left are the same.
	And yet it needs to be said over and over again, the Republicans, the fucking Republicans, the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats.
	They always have been.
	Who brought us to Iraq?
	The Republicans.
	Who made the economy the way it is?
	Republicans.
	Where did NAFTA come from?
	Yeah, Bill Clinton signed it, but it came from the Republicansans.
	It's like, so, you know, people like to say, oh, you know, but the Dems, but the left, but this, that and the other.
	The Republicans are the same.
	They are virtually the same.
	The platform is effectively indistinguishable.
	They have the same donors.
	They go to the same parties.
	They're the same people.
	And so, you know, like Dinesh D'Souza and I debated back in June and Dinesh said this to me.
	He said, you're starting to sound like a Democrat.
	I'm like, Democrats, Republicans, are we really still doing this thing?

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