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Aug. 4, 2025 - Fresh & Fit
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From Drug Money To Legit Money w/ White Boy Rick
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All right guys, and we're back on a podcast, Pressure and Fit with Whiteboard Rick.
Let's go!
right, we are back.
What's up guys?
Welcome to the FreshFit podcast, man.
It is Money Monday.
It's been a minute, man.
You have been out of town.
It's been a while.
Yeah.
A lot going on.
You want to throw them in on what was going on and everything?
Yeah.
So we did a BBC tour around Europe.
Africa.
We're back in the country.
It was pretty dope.
A lot of experiences.
Cool people to meet.
Business meeting that we attended for some stuff for us personally.
And it was really good.
But of course, Miami's still the best.
Europe is cool, but it's not as cool as Miami.
And just to be fair, guys, food is better over there.
The air is better.
Girls are hot.
But Miami has all that and more.
Just not better food.
Anyhow, what's up with you?
Good, man.
Just been here.
Oh, the camera's off.
Yeah, it just fell.
Okay.
Just been working, bro.
You know how it is, right?
Streaming and everything else like that.
Every day.
Pretty much, almost every day, yeah.
Non-stop.
Yeah, so it's, but we're chilling, man.
We're doing good, I think, this weekend.
What about this weekend?
Some cast event.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
For about that yeah i'll be in washing dc this saturday guys on august 9th i'll be out there with uh tim pool and a bunch of other people so that's gonna be a good time so yeah anyway we got a special guest in the house man and without further ado welcome to the guest in the building white boy rick thank you for having me bro of course bro have you man so i met rick a couple months ago and awesome dude very hospitable very nice very charitable as well as very generous and rick I know who you are, but they may not.
Tell them who you are.
Little history, white boy Rick, longest serving juvenile in the world for a drug crime.
I did almost 33 years for a non-violent drug crime..
I've been out five years.
I think you were with us.
So my five-year anniversary.
Thank you for coming.
Shout out to my man George, Kiki on the river.
We all had a blast, man.
Four days had the crew down here with us.
And, you know, 60 months went by in a blur.
Like nothing like when you're in prison.
60 months is like an eternity.
Out here, it's like the blink of an eye.
I can't imagine being in jail that long, coming out in the new world, seeing technology, how things are.
That must have been crazy, bro.
But you did it.
I'll never forget.
I got an iPhone 8 in the halfway house, and I took it to my room and I opened that box and I was looking for an on-off button.
And I was like, where the fuck are you turning this motherfucker on?
And I couldn't call nobody because I didn't have a phone.
So I grabbed this young kid and I was like, hey, bro, take me to school.
And he was like, what do you want, OG?
And I was like, well, first let's start with turning it on.
And he was like, bro, you got to hold these two buttons.
And I was like, that's stupid.
And he was like, bro, this is like state of the art.
Apple is like, you know, I kept up on stuff, but to have it in my hand and be able to touch it and hold it and see the things that you can do through a phone it was pretty amazing because when i left the streets you dialed a number and you pushed send and that was all you could do so let's take it back to the very beginning we started in detroit um what's the chat like coming up and how'd you get into like these activities that kind of put you in jail after that i'm gonna send you a cool last picture okay okay i don't think i you were in europe so
i ain't bother you but this is this is the house where my dad was born my aunt odd in this house oh wow and uh and It's a lot I got in trouble in front of this house.
Can you put it on a screen or no?
Yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
Okay, cool.
Come on.
This is like real life, in the moment stuff, guys.
To my text?
Went back home.
So this is really where it all started, friends.
And that's how we pulled up.
So what was it like growing up for you?
Listen, man, growing up in the hood, I ain't going to lie, it was fun.
Like my friends, a lot of my friends are still my friends.
You know, a lot of my friends I lost because of where we grew up.
up.
I found out today one of my friends either got murdered or died in prison June 27th.
His son called me.
We just found out today that, you know, he was deceased.
So God bless him.
Did it come from Andre McKnight?
No, they didn't tell any of us, bro.
That's, unfortunately, that's our prison system in America.
Wow.
So, you know, nobody had heard from him.
We looked him up and it said, discharged.
And I knew he was doing life.
And I called my boy.
I was like, bro, could he have gotten out?
And he was like, bro, he passed.
And his son called me this morning and told me that he had passed.
Nobody still knows how.
Isn't it a routine to tell family that someone passed away?
Supposedly.
The prison system is way different.
They don't care.
Yeah.
You know, he lost his whole life, bro.
He did.
He made a mistake as a child in the hood and his rappee, because his co-defendant was a couple years younger than him when the laws changed, his co-defendant got out and unfortunately he passed away or was murdered in prison.
So Detroit, I mean, obviously it's not the best place for the most part, and it can be kind of troublesome at the same time.
What was it like for you growing up in Detroit?
Listen, like I said, bro, you know, I had a lot of friends there and, you know, to this day, Boo Curry was just here.
you met him yeah you know from the movie with me and and booze you know like a brother to me this to this day so you know the people that you were close to we all stayed close you know so we still talk some of us are doing better than others you know but but we all talk and we all try and look out for each other still to this day how'd you get into like the whole drug game itself
well really you know the drug game was you know the movie so distorted bro this is the 80s right yeah like the 80s yeah mid 80s like crack hit i was there you know uh bro is just a product of your environment you know what i mean like things happened you know other things happened and and you know to be honest with you bro we're all trying to survive you know a lot of my friends got into selling crack to help their
mom pay the bills damn you know when when tupac said put money in your mailbox you know even though i sell rocks to make me feel good like true in the hood bro And there's no other way out other than selling.
I mean, there's always another way out.
But at the moment, you know, you're a child, so you might.
not make the best decisions but for us that was our way out yeah so when you were in that environment like um was it like everyone was doing it and you kind of like just went along with it and then pretty much listen bro i i was always ahead of of i hung out with older dudes and and you know i always had a hustler's mentality so you know Being real,
I watched, like, I remember watching Scarface and I was like, bro, I'm 14 or 15.
And I was like, bro, where's I?
Bro, we're selling rocks, but if I can get us to Miami, we'll all be rich.
And within a year, I had a plug in Miami.
How did you meet the plug?
Bro, my first plug I met on a Humble.
We came down to visit one of my sister's friends, and I was like, hey, you know anybody sells blow?
And she was like, yeah, my uncle just got out of prison.
And that's how I got my first plug.
What was Miami back then?
Crazy, bro.
In the 80s.
Oh, bro, like if you watch Miami Vice or...
GTA?
Bro, like that was real.
Like people getting cut up with chainsaws was real, bro.
Really?
People getting killed at the mall like little kids getting caught in the crossfire and stuff.
stuff like that was Miami was crazy bro you had an influx of immigrants and and the Maralito boat lift and all these cubans and and bro I remember being a kid here I think I was about 10 years old and I came with my grandma to visit her brother and I seen all these people under the freeway and I was like what the fuck they got people living fenced in under then when I seen Scarface I was like That's them motherfuckers I seen living under the bridge.
Oh shit.
And it was.
I was like, holy shit.
Like in a movie?
Yeah.
That was true.
Put a fence up and put them there.
Damn.
It was.
Bro, I went home to the hood.
I'll never forget.
I was like, bro, they got people fenced in.
You know, I'm like 10 or 11.
My boys in the hood are like, man, shut the fuck up.
You know, people, then when Scarface came out, I was like, I told you.
Damn.
So when you saw Scarface, did he want to be like him?
Or was it more like?
I wanted that money, bro.
Like, we all, like.
Bro, growing up, like my grandparents worked at Chrysler 40 years.
Like, we weren't dirt poor, but by no means were we rich.
You know what I mean?
So, me and my friends, we were like, bro, we gotta get this money.
And we started hustling.
Were you the only white boy in that community coming in?
The only one, bro.
Only one.
The only one hustling.
There was a couple of other white kids, but like, nobody did what I did, bro.
I mean, back then, like, how did you, well, first of all, get into it.
And then, like, when did you know you got caught?
Or you were gonna get caught?
At what point?
Honest to God, you never think you're gonna get I never got caught with anything.
Make that clear.
The drugs I was convicted of, I never touched.
They had palm prints and everything I gave them.
It was middle of summer.
They were like, oh, there's a box of drugs.
They didn't have my palm prints on them.
So I was like, yeah, I'll give you my palm prints.
So, bro, I say today, if we had these, I never would have went to prison.
Really?
Never.
Because now you see everything recorded.
So when they seen this fight break out and they seen everything, the whole thing started because the police tried to take a bunch of money from me in a traffic stop.
That's how the whole thing started.
So it was random.
Yeah, it was just started on the humble, bro.
So you're driving your car.
I was driving with a friend of mine.
He's dead now, too.
And we got pulled over, and the police saw that I had a bag of money in the car, and they wanted to take the money, and we weren't going to let them take our money.
Damn.
How much was it?
Yeah, it was like $40,000, I think.
It was like for a couple of years.
But this is the 80s, though, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, so that's like maybe.
That's a lot of money.
That's like triple that now.
$20,000?
Yeah, it's like $100,000 plus.
Yeah.
Today's dollars.
Yeah.
Wow.
And you got to remember back then, bro, like a cop made like 15,000 a year and risked his life every day.
This was Detroit PD or the state of Detroit PD.
So for them.
For them, like me and Myron would be in the car and they'd pull us over and they see you got on a Roley or something.
And they're like, let me get that watch, bro.
And then I'll be like, hey, Myron, they got your watch down at Ziedman's Loan for sale.
And he was like, what?
And that was, bro, they would rob you.
That was the way it was.
So you didn't want to just like pay them off and be like, yo, listen.
Eventually, that's where we, you know, you get to that.
But you also have ones like in Scarface where the dude says, well, what if somebody pushes up on me that I ain't paying?
And they would push up on you that you weren't paying.
And then you got to pay another one and another one and another one.
So eventually you're Like, bro, fuck, I ain't paying nobody.
It never ends.
Never.
Everybody's got their hand out, bro.
Back then, politicians, police, whatever it was, bro.
How was it where like, it was government officials or was it everybody?
Bro, we were for 50 G's, we would shut down the airport and land a private jet.
What?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, my case was the biggest police corruption case in the history of Detroit.
Like, motherfuckers could say whatever they want.
My friends from back then are my friends to this day.
I never did no dirt to my friends.
I did dirt to police because they did dirt to me.
So fuck them.
We never took an oath to serve and protect.
They did, and they were dirtier than us.
I'll never forget the first raid I ever got caught in.
They stole all the jewelry, and I think we had like seventy thousand dollars in the house that were supposed to leave, and we get caught in this house with all these guns, jewelry this month, and dude was like, Who's signing for this three thousand?
And I was like, three thousand?
I said, Man, you might as well keep all that shit.
You might, if you turned in three bands, you might as well just keep it all.
Say we didn't have nothing.
Wow.
That's not corrupt.
Bro, it was down here, bro.
It was worse.
Like, you guys are too young, but the Miami River cops, like, if you Google them, that was real deal.
They would lay on the river.
They would lay on the river by Kiki and rob a thousand keys coming in on a boat.
And they ended up killing some people.
Whoa.
I remember that case.
Yeah, bro.
Like, that shit was really, really, really, really crazy time.
So what ended up happening?
Did the FBI run like a corruption case against the Detroit Police Department?
And then you testified on behalf of the government?
I never testified.
You never testified?
I never had to testify against anybody, bro.
They knew.
Listen, they had wiretaps.
The whole thing started one day.
This agent came to see me and he was like, just listen.
And I listened to a tape that they had from the police.
And basically, it was like, man, fuck him.
Ain't nobody gonna believe him.
And I never forget he was like, sit on that for a little while.
And I digested it and I was like, I was young.
I was, I think I was 19.
I was like, fuck them.
Fuck them too.
Let's go.
Really?
Yeah.
They were.
So you didn't testify, but like you cooperated with them and told them who the dirty cops were and and what happened was the the police were so hungry myron for money yeah that they thought this dude was my plug and they approached him which which he was undercover i was gonna ask that okay so all right so there was undercover fbi agent that they thought was my supplier okay and and they they never cut into the police the police cut into them okay so Let me,
like, did the cops rob you and the undercover agent?
No.
Uh-oh.
Oh.
This was after I was already in prison when all that started.
The police corruption case happened after I was incarcerated.
Gotcha.
Okay.
I think I was incarcerated about two, maybe three years when that happened.
Okay.
So you got arrested already for, was it state or federal?
You went in state and then FBI started building a federal case against the corrupt police officer.
Yes.
And they knew I was in the middle of it.
Gotcha.
I've talked to you a few times.
Yeah, in reality, I could have got indicted with them.
You know what I mean?
But I was serving a life sentence.
What else are you going to do to me?
I was 17.
My boy was 16.
They gave us both life without parole.
Kids for drugs.
This is before the drug reform laws, right?
Yeah.
But who in their right mind, like, this is America, bro.
Like, who in their right mind gives a child?
When they sentenced us, they sentenced us to the rest of our natural life.
Wow.
Honest to God.
And what was the amount that they actually convicted you on?
17 pounds.
Of?
Cocaine.
Wow.
That's incredible.
Wow.
And, and, and, and mind you, a friend of mine who I'm trying to get on y'all show, Tereso Dominguez, like he was Pablo's main smuggler.
His case in Detroit was seven tons of cocaine.
He got 11 years.
Yeah.
And no one knows his name.
Never missed a load, right?
Never lost one load.
Oh, wow.
anybody read the book the accountant by roberto escobar this is pablo's brother saying this not tito they say they knew tito tito don't say they knew him tito's a real he was the first lamborghini dealer in south florida that's how i met him when i was a kid wow Then I got in the drug game.
I was like, Tito, what's you doing here?
He was like, what the fuck are you doing here?
So when you got sentenced to life, what was going through your mind?
Like, was it like, honest to God, like, I don't think, I think I was so young that I didn't digest what it meant.
For a couple years, that these motherfuckers are trying to make me die in prison.
So, once that settled in, bro, I started fighting, and I never gave up, bro.
So, in jail, Do you have friends there?
Was it more like you were on your own?
Your homeboy was in there too?
No, I had, I have, listen, bro, when you get to prison and you're from the hood, like all your homeboys that disappeared, you run back into them.
I was like, man, I wonder what happened to you.
He was like, man, I've been here two years.
Man, I've been here that you, bro, I've seen so many people that, you know, you knew loosely in the hood.
And they just, that's where they ended up.
Are race politics as big a deal in Michigan State prison as it is in like Texas or California where race is a big thing?
is it more based on cliques, friendships, who you know?
Listen, bro, race is every and But it's, bro, I grew up in.
the hood.
So, like, some white dudes used to be like, bro, how come they don't bother you?
Or how come this?
And I was like, bro, these are my people.
But I couldn't tell them not to do none to them.
Fuck, I was glad that didn't.
I was good.
So, but, you know.
So when you're in prison, you sat with the blacks.
Yeah, I hung out.
I hung out mostly.
But I had all friends, bro.
White, black, Spanish.
But, like, when I played ball or softball or my boy that passed away today, McKnight Bay, God rest his soul.
Like, that was my brother.
You know what I mean?
We were tight, bro.
Because I know other state prisons, like race is a big, like even if you can't, even if you're white, right, and you, all your people are black, you got to stay with the white because the race politics are that strong.
Oh, yeah.
So I wasn't sure what it was like in Michigan.
You, you, listen, bro, there's politics everywhere.
Of course.
Prison politics, we call it, or yard politics.
Bro, if you have that level of respect, I'm not not going to talk to you.
Of course.
Because these white dudes don't want to talk to you.
So it's not like as strict as like California and these other places.
There's places you get murdered.
Of course.
Don't get a twitch.
Yeah.
Like California.
The feds, Marion.
Yeah.
Like, they'll murder your ass.
You were very good.
networker, man.
That's what I do.
Yeah.
Okay, so in jail, you said you're going to fights.
Was it with like a certain set of people?
No, bro.
I had two fights in 32 years.
33 years.
Like, you, you, and one of them was with a little, you know, you get a little older and kid pop off and sock him in the mouth.
Okay.
We end up in the hole and he's like, damn, OG.
And I'm like, bro.
Like, he was like, man, I wasn't going to touch you.
I said, we're in the kitchen.
I told you.
Like, that's just how things happen.
What was the worst thing you saw in jail?
Like, the worst thing you saw, like somebody die or something?
My first day, I helped just Justin Timberlake with his last movie I told you that the the one he played ex-convict and he was like bro give me your first day like and I'll never forget I was talking to my mom and it was called it's Michigan Reformatory you could look it up they called it Gladiator School 25 and under and almost everybody had life or 40 or 50 years and I see this big shank getting past down
the phones and I'm of course I'm I'm from the street but like bro you walk in a prison and it's like life changing so I see this shank and I'm like oh is this for me so now I'm watching it And I see the shank get to this dude and I won't say his name, but I see the shank stop.
And there was this big tall brother.
I'll never forget his name was 6'9, they called him.
And bro, they grabbed him by his neck on the phone and just started hitting him in the neck, bro.
And I hung up the phone and I went upstairs and I was like, the guard was like, get ready.
Because every day.
And every day I was there at that prison, something popped off, bro.
Every day.
That sounds brutal.
It's...
It ain't...
It's like...
It's a hard way to live, bro.
But you get used to it.
But it's no way to live, bro.
I'll tell you one thing, man.
I don't want to go to jail, bro.
Hell no.
That's not scary.
So, like, okay, so I guess, did you go to trial or did you plead guilty?
I went to trial.
I blew trial.
Okay.
You went to trial.
You lost.
Take us through, like, that day when they told you guilty verdict.
And then, obviously, the bailiffs took you to the jail or whatever.
Like, take us through that day.
My jury was deadlocked for a little while.
And, you know, it was like the third day or something I got convicted.
And it just, bro, like I said, I think the first day I was, like, in shock.
Because I didn't get caught with anything.
I didn't think I would get, you know, convicted.
I was a kid, too.
And then you got sentenced later on, right?
So you got convicted that day?
It took about two to three weeks.
Two to three weeks later, then you came in.
Do a PSI report, pre-sentence investigation, all of that.
all this And then and then uh they gave you 33 years and then from there i'm assuming that's when they moved you to like the penitentiary you're probably in a state jail waiting right i was in a county jail in a county jail okay and then when you went to the take us through like that first day of penitentiary so they they remand you after they give you the after they sentence you and then what?
When I got to prison?
Yeah, like that first day.
Yeah, when they actually got to prison.
That was the first day.
Okay.
Like that was like, bro, when you get there, of course, which penitentiary was it?
Michigan Reformatory.
Okay.
People could say whatever they want, bro.
I don't give a fuck who you are.
Your first day in prison, of course.
You're scared, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like.
Bro, I've seen the biggest, toughest.
And they put you with the adults, right?
Yeah.
And I've seen the, bro, I've seen dudes that I never in a million years thought would commit suicide.
Really?
Like, bro, I've seen.
Common occurrence?
Yeah.
Very common.
More common than you can imagine.
Like, dudes just can't deal with it, bro.
Or they try and get you on pill line, shit like that.
These are like big, tall dudes.
Yeah, bro.
Like, in shape and stuff.
Yeah.
Like, you would never in a million years think, oh, dude's going to check himself out.
But he'll check himself out.
So you get in there that first.
first day, change clothes, everything else they bring you in.
Like, did you?
I had some homeboys there, like some older dudes that some of my people on the street like they brought sent me a care package and this and that so like my first day there like they were like oh you know this this and this and you know i was skeptical to take it but they were like oh this is from such and such okay and like they said oh this is from myron so i was like oh that's good but myron's still on the street can you tell the audience real quick why you were reluctant to take anything from anybody because they might not understand why well because in in prison you really don't want to be in debt
to anybody or or owe anybody anything or or it might be a way you know for somebody to try you yeah you know what i mean so and and it's just something you don't want to get involved in, bro.
Okay, so I saw a video a couple years ago.
This might take a different turn.
The booty warrior, right?
So in jail, this is a guy that's like a booty warrior.
He looks for booties of people to attack.
Oh, bro, that's a real deal, isn't it?
Real?
Bro, they got predators.
Like, you know, like, this dude's a predator.
This dude's a predator.
This dude's a predator.
You know.
Damn.
But they also know who to prey on.
You know what I mean?
But they had some dudes in there that they were booty bandits.
That's what they did.
did where I used to see there was dudes in there that were dudes then I see them in the visiting room hugged up with their girlfriend whoa what like like the helly no like that's real deal They call it gay for the stay.
They're only gay for the stay.
Bro, that's gay.
That's really gay.
Wait, so they would smash a dude and then hug up their girl in the waiting room.
Yeah.
That's diabolical, bro.
I'm trying to think here.
Yeah, I was going to ask that actually.
Does the state of Michigan allow conjugal visits?
Hell no.
No, right?
Okay.
Some states allow it.
Very few.
Yeah.
Honestly, God.
I honest to God, I don't even know New York might be like one of the last ones, but it's very, I would bet you it's under five.
Yeah, fell in not many states.
Don't go to prison, bro.
It ain't worth it, man.
That's almost terrible, bro.
So it's the hell on earth.
So, okay.
So, when'd you find out that you were going to get free from jail?
Was it like a letter or they called you in and said, hey, listen, you're going to get, we kept suing.
Like, God rest his soul.
This lawyer, Ralph Musselli, who knew me as a kid, he came back on my case, bro.
And, bro, he just fought and fought and fought.
And one thing I'll say, bro, this dude never took a dollar from me, bro.
Really?
To keep my, to keep my, I guess, my spirits up or my hope alive, he used to tell me, he used to be like, you're gonna need that money when I get you out.
You're gonna need that when I get you out.
Bro, this dude paid for everything.
He paid filing fees.
He paid this.
And he said, when you get out, I'm gonna retire.
And he died 90 days after I got out, bro.
Did you ever, like...
Yeah.
Do you know, like, your mom and dad?
Or, uh, he knew my dad.
And, and he worked in another law firm where we knew where my original lawyer was from.
So, he was a good man, bro.
I do thing in his honor now for, for charity.
So, like, uh, I do this thing, Love for a Child, where we send foster kids to summer camp.
And in the last four years, I think I've given them about $125,000.
Good.
I've raised for them.
I just gave them a check the day before I came here.
So, well, we try and do, uh, positive things, bro.
Like I just paid a little young kid.
They give these kids fines.
If you're a juvenile, how the fuck are you going to pay a fine?
So my boy Danny Hirani, God bless him, got so educated in there.
And his judge ended up letting him out for a double murder.
Danny has like four degrees, sits on the National Sheriff's Board.
Like Danny's OG, bro, but smart as fuck.
Wow.
And we worked together at Team Wellness and a juvenile restorative rights program.
He called me.
He was like, hey, man, the judge said, said if this kid don't pay his fines and it's on my Instagram, he did a video and everything.
And I was like, bro, how much is it?
And my fund.
My fund, my 501C, where she's way, wrote the check, and we paid the little kids fines.
Good stuff, man.
I don't want them to go to jail, bro.
Yeah.
And I don't want them to commit a crime.
You know, these, these, I don't want to say anything derogatory about these judges, but, you know, you give a kid that's under 18 years old court costs or a fine.
What do you want him to do to pay it?
Go sell crack on the corner?
How do you want him to pay?
Yeah.
He's not even an adult.
And if his mom and dad can't pay it, you're going to lock this kid up.
So wherever we can try and give back, we give back, bro.
So your first day out, what'd you do?
Where'd you go?
What'd you talk to?
Was it like, I'm coming home.
Like, I'm back.
My first day home, I came to Miami.
Really?
Yeah.
Who'd you see?
I went and seen my boy in Coral Gables at Formula Motor Cars that I used to buy cars from in the 80s.
And we started filming a new documentary.
When did the movie come out?
I think 2017.
While you were still at Do you ever watch it?
Never in my life.
I never will.
It's fake as fuck.
You were with me and Boo.
They made it like I did something to Boo and his brother.
Yeah.
Like, first of all, I never really really worked for the Curry Boys.
I have my own plug, So me and Boo got money together and Boo will tell you that.
Right.
Like, so the movie's just Hollywood, bro.
And when people see me and Boo together, they're like, what the fuck?
But that's my brother, man.
Damn.
So basically the movie was not really accurate.
It's Hollywood, bro.
It's Hollywood.
It's, it's, you know, like, I'm sure there's things in there that are a little bit accurate, but the twist that I saw that they put on it, like, I have no, and, and, you know, I worked probably 300 hours with my boy, Scott Silver.
And Scott is now the biggest writer in Hollywood.
Shout out to him.
And he wrote.
Eight Mile.
He wrote The Fighter.
He wrote The New Joker, the first billion dollar-rated R movie ever.
And me and him became so close, bro, that when they kicked him off the movie, I checked out with him.
Right.
And, you know, this man offered to pay.
He said, your first year home, I'm going to pay for you to live wherever you want to live because I don't want you to have any stress on you.
And by God's grace, I didn't need his money.
That's good.
But we're still...
He's the only one out of the whole movie circle that I communicate with and, you know, that I believe is my true friend.
Did you ever have like a girlfriend or someone you dated like when you came out of prison or before or not?
Of course.
Like you you you have short-term relationships in prison or you can't have a relationship in prison, bro.
Yeah, it's hard.
You know, but you know when I came home I had a special person in my life.
I kind of fucked that up.
Miami fucked it up.
Of course Miami does, bro.
I still love her to death.
You know what I mean?
I would die for her, but I fucked that up.
I'm a man, I admit it.
Hey, keeping it real.
Honesty is the best part of it.
That's all I am.
That's all you get from me.
Honesty.
Do you live here in Miami or do you got a spot in Detroit?
I live both, but I live primarily here.
I'm a prime okay.
Well, how, like, someone that's a Detroit native, what are your thoughts on how the city has progressed over the past couple of decades, man?
It's, uh, it's really fallen from grace.
What are your thoughts on, uh, Detroit in general?
It used to be a, the motor boom city.
Used to be the motor city.
Yeah.
Like, and, and if you go downtown, it's beautiful.
Like, a lot of people have put a lot of money in there.
Okay.
Dan Gilbert, uh, the Illiches, like we brought the Pistons back from the suburbs to downtown.
Okay.
Uh, downtown is beautiful.
Was it the P palace is where they used to play yes that's gone now vacant lot okay beautiful building but vacant so they moved them back we're back in little caesars arena downtown beautiful arena the illich has built okay i'm i'm good friends with some of them very good people they do a lot for the community you know uh dan gilbert god bless him uh doing a lot for the city but the problem is bro nobody is doing anything for the neighborhoods bro It's like,
I hope that, you know, we're trying to get a new mayor right now, and our current mayor is runningning for governor, and I hope he doesn't win.
He lied, kept me in prison 18 extra years.
Oh, wow.
Corrupt politician.
The corruptest that...
Mike Duggan.
He's a lie.
Bro, you don't know what this dude did to me, bro.
And it's the truth, not me saying it.
Was he in the criminal justice world before?
He became a politician.
He was a prosecutor.
Okay.
At the time when I went to get out of prison in 2003, this man wrote a letter, and the whole letter was all lies, bro.
Marvin, when I tell you it was all lies, Myron, I mean, all lies, bro.
Nothing in this letter was true.
Why did it take such a hard, was he like the prosecutor on your case?
No, he happened to be the head prosecutor.
Get this.
One of my lawyers was the number two prosecutor when I went to get out.
And he was also corrupt.
One of my attorneys from when I got in trouble.
Was the ADA before you became your attorney?
After I went to prison, Sam Gardner became the number two prosecutor in Wayne County.
Okay.
Under Mike Duggan.
The whole hearing was rigged and fabricated.
Kid Rock sat there and he tried to help me bro god bless him and he was in shock wow like when i tell you the things they accuse me of i was a child bro like they're saying that i said this is 2003 yeah you went in in the 80s i went in in 87 you went in 87 so we're talking almost six years later so I'm assuming this is like a parole board.
They changed the law, the Eighth Amendment, which is what I built my brand around.
And I became eligible for parole all my friends got paroled and I was the only one out of everybody under that law that they kept for 33 years gotcha so they denied you and this guy who's mayor now who's running for governor he was instrumental in keeping you in absolutely why the hell did he have such a vested interest in keeping you in bro one of his friends was like uh Gil Hill was like a high-ranking He was the head of homicide and the way I understand it, I guess they were very close.
Okay.
And Gil tried to put an innocent person in prison for killing a little kid.
And I didn't know what I was doing.
I was like, man, that dude did didn't kill this dude and it opened up a floodgate, bro.
This dude, they did not let me out until Gil Hill.
So because of your comment on a separate homicide investigation, they made sure to keep you in jail.
Absolutely.
100%.
That's my comment.
Proving facts.
Proving facts.
Giving an opinion that you thought he was innocent.
They let the guy go based on my, the guy that they, Gil Hill took a bribe.
Gil Hill took a bribe to cover the murder up and he locks up Fresh.
And I'm like, Fresh didn't kill that kid, but I was 15.
I didn't realize the power that this dude had, but I knew that it was wrong for Fresh to go to jail for this.
Right.
Okay.
So you gave evidence, I guess, to get the guy off, and they were not happy about that.
They.
Because they wanted to prosecute him.
It followed me for 30-some years, bro.
Okay.
I did not get out of prison until Gil Hill passed away.
Really?
And Gil Hill was Eddie Murphy's boss in Beverly Hills Cop.
Okay.
Wow.
All right.
Because in my head, I'm like, why are they going after a juvenile that sold drugs?
It was all these politicians that knew shit about each other.
each other so when they call and they say myron do this and i know about you i'm gonna do it gotcha okay Gotcha.
Okay.
So basically...
Oh, really?
In prison with me.
What'd he going for?
racketeering some drugs.
He was a huge...
Signed a statement in front of the deputy warden, told me everything.
Like, he's in my documentary.
Like, he told the truth.
He said, they told me to do this.
So I'll never forget his first day there.
I was friends with some guys that were in a gang.
We won't say which gang.
And they came to me and they were like bro we're gonna buck 50 him and if you don't know what a buck 50 is yeah slice in the face they're gonna cut you yeah and and i was like no no no no no because they had already told me yo if anything happens to this dude we know it's from you and and like i basically looked out for this dude while he was there bro i looked out for the mayor the old mayor kwame kilpatrick kwame met my son he was like bro your dad looked out for me big time bro Did he go to jail too?
Oh, yeah.
Me and Kwame were in prison together.
Oh, wow.
And I was an advocate for Kwame when I got out.
Kwame was still in prison and people got going for.
bribery or corruption?
Yeah, he went in for corruption, but all I, I was an advocate saying, you don't deserve 30 years for corruption.
Yeah.
Like this man, now he's out here doing positive things.
Thank God Trump let him out, pardoned him, and then, and I, my belief as someone who had just done 30 something.
Did you do any feds time or no?
I did go to the feds for 15 years.
Okay, all right, because I was just going to say, because, you know, these people that are going in for corruption and stuff like that, I'm like, Kwame ended up in the state first.
Okay.
Me and Kwame were in the state together, not the feds.
Okay.
Kwame had two cases.
Okay, so they got you originally for.
you said 17 pounds, so like 8 or 9 kilos of cocaine.
He's like 9 kilos.
I think there was 10 in the box that kept a couple charged me with the rest.
So the state arrested you for that how did you get a federal case then because of the police corruption case i was moved to the feds because they thought the police were trying to kill me oh so you never got convicted of any federal charge they just moved you to a federal prison yes because they were worried for your safety exactly Oh, wow.
That never happens.
That's rare.
Okay.
Exactly.
So that's how you ended up with these corrupt cops.
Because I'm like, wait, that's got to be federal charges.
How are they seeing them in a state penitentiary?
But it's a lot of other.
Now, bro, like with Rico, like I have a state Rico case that they grossly.
misuse like a racketeering case is like they do now.
Yeah, it failed.
It's the most misused statue in our penal system.
Like they, bro, these prosecutors now, some of them, there's no accountability.
So they throw as much shit as they can at the wall.
Like what they tried to do to young thug, bro.
Yeah.
You know, people talk shit or whatever.
The dude didn't do anything.
He did what he could.
And that was it, bro.
Like, you know, he should have never been charged with a Rico.
Yeah, they were pretty aggressive with that.
They did it with Donald Trump too, right?
Fanny Willis had an axe to grind for sure.
Did any rappers speak on your behalf in Detroit?
Only Kid Rock at the time.
Only Kid Rock?
Yeah.
When you were in the feds, did they move you around a lot or did you stay in the same location?
Oh, you move around.
Like I went to Milan.
I went to Oklahoma.
I went to FCI Phoenix.
I went, you know, you, you, but a couple places I got like six or seven year runs, but they don't want to leave you anywhere because you bribed the police.
Yeah, yeah.
And I ain't going to lie.
I did.
Yeah.
You get comfortable.
They get to know you.
Like they're not paid.
And I didn't want nothing bad.
I wanted me and Myron to eat a Whopper.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, bro, you don't realize a Whopper in prison is like, it's like the best deal in the world, bro.
It's a big deal.
Okay, all right.
So they moved you in there for protection.
So when you were, because I guess you said you had like, you didn't testify, but you like cooperated against some of the cops.
How many cops did they end up arresting in that corruption case, the FBI?
If you remember.
I want to say like maybe like nineteen.
Wow.
So, just like, including the mayor's brother in law.
Oh, so you go in in 87, three years later, FBI picks up 19 cops for corruption while they were building up their case.
You said that they came and talked to you a few times because obviously costed Rob doing stuff.
Of course.
Right.
And they knew they listen when you're on a certain level of, of even here when I was a kid, when you're on a certain level, law enforcement knows what the fuck you're doing.
Yeah, of course.
People could say whatever they want.
Oh, I got away for 30 or 40 years.
Get the fuck out of here, bro.
Like don't these motherfuckers like that.
the internet trolls and this and that nobody gets away selling drugs for 30 or 40 years yeah yeah you have to you're snitch snitching.
Yeah.
Like you cooperated in some way, shape, or form.
Right.
So people, you know, like there's misconceptions about everything, Myron.
Unfortunately, fortunately for me, I don't give a fuck who likes me, who says what or whatever.
I know who I am.
I know what I did.
I'm comfortable in my own skin.
I came home.
I did 33 years.
In two years, I built a multi-million dollar company.
Yep.
So I don't, I don't, like.
Bro, I just, I am who I am, brother.
Yeah.
That's me.
I've been a hustler my whole life.
I know how to survive on my own.
I know, you know, I know good people.
When me and Fresh met, I think it's close to a year.
Like another brother of ours, Zach out of Vegas.
I love him.
Plugged us in together.
I do the Martin Luther King podcast with him every year.
Zach's introduced me to amazing retired athletes, current athletes.
Like he's an OG.
They own Hardy and Cannabis out in Vegas.
So Zach is the one that met us with Tyga in Vegas for Super Bowl.
Member?
He took bodyguard?
No, the owner, one of the managers at that place.
He took us to Tyga's party.
I think I remember, yeah.
Tyga, Chris Brown, yeah, all of them.
Shout out to him.
Shout out to Zach.
So while you were in, FBI agents started coming into you, coming and asking you questions about certain cops.
Yeah, of course.
They obviously asked you about, hey, do you know this guy?
Do you know this guy?
Of course.
And then how many would you say, like, had been involved?
Because they were ripping you, right?
They were stealing drugs from you, money from you, whatever.
How many were involved that you knew at least?
Three, four, five?
Police?
robbed you or did some listen bro like in the hood i was looking at i mean specifically i mean i don't i can't tell you that obviously but in the hood like but they came and asked you about specific guys though i'm assuming right they they had a crew like that they knew this is what they were doing gotcha and and i think they had someone else in cleveland that was tied up with these guys that i didn't even know about about.
Gotcha.
So Ohio's our border city.
So they were doing their, bro, these guys were, they were worse than street thugs.
Oh yeah, of course.
Like these guys were thugs with badges.
Yeah.
They'd lock you up.
They'd rob you.
They this, they that.
Like, whatever.
Bro, they beat the fuck out of me so bad.
The day this happened, I went to the hospital, bro.
Like, they were like, bro, what the fuck happened?
Bro, my face was disfigured.
I was, bro, he choked me with a chain, pulled me over a fence by my chain.
Like, they almost killed me, bro.
Let me ask you this.
So when you cooperated with the feds to put these dirty cops away, did like anyone fret.
Anyone, like, did you do it secretly to avoid anyone talking shit or did it not matter because they were dirty cops?
Like, how did you mean?
It was, it was people didn't know.
You know what I mean?
Like, but to be real with you, no street motherfucker gives a fuck about a dirty cop.
Okay.
with common sense.
Yeah.
Nobody, like all my Prophecy is a street code, Fuck, no.
And listen, even my friends from down here, from back then, like, they looked out for me when I first went to prison, bro.
Like, I could have did damage, bro.
Major here.
Like, never did, bro.
So you kept a solid.
The only time you cooperated was against the dirty cops.
That's it, bro.
Yeah.
That's it.
All that other shit, bro.
No, I was just wondering for him, like, because, you know, you got some crooks that, like, other guys might say, oh, well, if you cooperate with the police at any time, even if it's against dirty cops, we don't respect that.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck with people?
That's their opinion.
Yeah.
They can't even pay.
They're sitting in their mom's basement on the internet.
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
I think dirty police officers are the worst because.
Listen, bro, they take an oath to protect and serve for you.
You're a taxpaying citizen.
You pay.
I pay a lot of taxes now.
Too much.
They take that oath to protect and serve.
There ain't nothing more slimy or dirty than a dirty cop, bro.
They put good cops in danger.
They turn society against good cops.
You know what I mean?
So when you see these cops beating people and, and don't, doing to people all cops don't do that bro yeah like i pulled i seen a homeless guy here the other day they were with him I pulled over.
I had an ex-NFL player in the car and a rich-ass Indian friend of mine.
They're like, oh, God.
You know Shiraz.
And I was like, bro, why are you fucking with him and they were like one of the cops was like oh white boy rick i'm like bro he's like bro people are complaining i said bro i live here too i ain't come he goes rick i gave the dude some money they told me they were going to take him to camilla's house they looked out but bro i try and look out bro like if i see something wrong i don't i don't antagonize but i speak up now I ain't afraid.
Like, I have a driver's license.
I'm legit.
I'm this.
I don't give a fuck who you are.
If I think you're doing something that isn't right for society, that's it.
All right.
That's honest.
All right.
We'll do some chats real quick and then come back.
And half the hours after this.
So.
We got chat skills.
Frankie guy says, hey fresh, my boy convinced me to get into car rental game.
All these years I thought it was really skeptical, but it never hurts to try different things, right?
Business is tough, you know, Rick.
Spend money in order to make money.
He got me connected for a Ben's truck and $20,000 down.
Pretend to reach out to you, brother.
He's spreading the hustle and fuck the haters.
Rick question.
I watched a movie totally dope.
But definitely some of the narrative about your dad never was in the weapons deal business.
Question mark.
Bro, all the weapons came from another corrupt police officer in Ohio through me.
Wow.
Oh, that's the other guy that the FBI was asking you about, right?
Yeah, but he never, he retired.
He never got in any trouble or nothing.
He was a state trooper.
He's in my new documentary.
Okay.
Never, he retired when, like he he bro, he I don't know how he escaped whatever he did, but bro most of like these dudes control the whole city in Chicago.
So I could go up there and pick up.
MAC 11s, ARs, pistols.
You don't need in Michigan, you need a permit for a handgun.
Yeah.
In Florida, you don't.
In Ohio, you don't.
So for us, we would always run the guns from Ohio to Michigan.
Of course.
Yeah.
Okay.
Makes sense.
Straw purchasing.
Okay, what else we got?
Dirty Harry.
I don't know if I can ask this, but I remember 50 Cent said he was working on a White Boy Rick show.
Are you a part of it?
Me and 50 talked.
I did the BMF documentary for him, The Blowing Money Fast.
But 50's good people, bro.
Like, shout out to him for where he comes from and what he's did in the entertainment industry.
You know, I like to see dudes like that, bro.
Yeah.
He does.
No, the only White Boy Rick project right now, I'm in total control of.
Okay.
Perfect.
Fresh updates W brother Rick who's the craziest guy you met in prison craziest guy There was this dude Albanian John Albanian oh Zirka John Zirka and and and bro when I tell you yeah like this dude would sock somebody for nothing he would just clock you sounds like Zirka Like he was a good dude.
Yeah, but he had a temper, bro.
Like, but I never forget him, bro.
He's good people, bro.
Albanian.
And I used to be like, bro, you got to chill, bro.
And he was like, man, fuck these holes.
I think that dude went to the hole like a hundred times that I knew him.
I don't even know how the fuck he kept getting out of the hole.
Hell baby.
Gotta be Zurka, man.
Zurka's brother.
All right.
Shout out to him.
What the heck?
Somebody put that in there.
That was Fresh Updates.
He attached that.
It's pretty accurate, though.
That's what I would say.
Pretty accurate.
That's the last one.
That's the last one.
All right.
So, Rick, you've done a lot for the community.
Charity giving back to people as well.
But you're also in real estate.
And you're about to buy another complex pretty soon in Detroit.
Tell us about that.
Oh, we just, you know, we're trying to diversify a little things, get into real estate.
I'm building the first brand new house there.
You know, I just bought some real estate down here.
So I'm just a hustler, bro.
If I see an avenue, told you the other day, I sold a purse for 21 bands.
My friends were laughing.
Bro, I hustle, you know, like I just like to hustle, bro, make money and every day fresh, I try and do something positive.
I'm not a negative person.
I don't like negative energy.
I don't like negative people.
I do a lot for people.
I do a lot for dog rescues.
Yeah.
Like, I'm an animal lover at heart.
Like, honest to God, I think I like animals, like dogs more than people, bro.
I don't blame you.
Yeah, there's a lot of people like that, man.
It's not crazy.
I don't blame you, bro.
Yeah.
You know, I just did the pause on the green down here, golf event for the dogs.
We raised some good money.
We donated money.
Getting ready to donate some money to a church down here.
We're trying to do what we do in Michigan down here, a little bit more for the juveniles.
My brother, Flow Rider, we're going to do some things together for the kids down here.
So, shout out to Flow.
Good people, bro.
Good people.
Amazing.
Him and nephew, Vari nephew.
Shout out to them.
Okay, so Rick, we're going to close up pretty soon, but what's coming up next?
Documentaries, Netflix TV shows.
What's happening?
Bro, Friday I fly out to Wisconsin.
We got the deadliest catch crew, you know, shadowing us.
They've been on the air 21 years.
So they're shadowing us for the boat racing industry.
We got Willie Falcone's brother on the race team with us now, Tavi Falcone.
So we got that.
If we win this weekend, shout out to Motlick Race and my boy JR, Doug Wright Race and Doug Wright Power Boats.
If we win this weekend, we lock up the championship.
You know, we set the speed record with the White Boy Rick Boat last year in Lake of the Ozark.
So, you know, just bro, we keep climbing.
We keep looking for different ventures doing different things and every day bro we we just try and do something positive give back do something it's enough negativity in the world bro so i didn't know this but okay you can race cars you can race bikes but the rich sport is racing boats like that's next level and you tell them the audience about the history of racing boats how it started Started in Miami, like with the drug smugglers.
that was why we don't have the race in miami anymore and we're trying to bring it back because Willie Falcone and them like bro, they will run the bimini load up the boat in the middle of the race and run back.
So they didn't want that here no more.
So yeah, but listen., man, I'm glad some of those guys got a second chance at life.
They're doing good things.
Tavi was on the run for 26 years.
You know, his family stayed with him, his daughter.
I'm glad he's free.
He paid his debt.
Listen, bro, at the end of the day, this doesn't go for me because I'm free.
But we lock these young kids up in the ghettos every day.
pharmaceutical companies are like drug cartels operating in america we have you know opioid and all this stuff and the the shit that's going on with pills and opioids in our country like but they'll take a child, bro, that's trying to sell some crack.
And at the end of the day, if you do drugs, drugs is a choice.
Yeah.
You chose to do that drug.
But now, if you rob, rape, or murder somebody, that's not a choice.
But I don't think anybody, your first time in trouble, should get over five years, bro.
We got people sitting in prisons doing life bits, and they shouldn't be there.
Yeah.
And, and, you know, the one thing Trump did is created the largest corrections reform bill in our country.
So shout out to him.
He said Obama didn't do shit.
Yeah.
He didn't let Harry O, my brother, started Death Row Records.
Trump pardoned it, commuted his sentence, brought him home eight years early, and then just pardoned him.
And Harry O's the original founder of Death Row, not Shoot Knight.
So now Snoop and Harry and I spent New Year's with Harry, good people doing good things in the community.
Bro, these were things that we did, like, because of the situation that presented itself.
But if you look at Harry now, Harry O hangs out at the White House, bro.
He's bumping shoulders with the big dogs.
And he has a thing called community first and he really believes in that and he puts the community first.
People can change.
Bro, everybody, if you want to change, you can change.
If you don't want to change, you ain't going to change.
We all have the same 24 hours in a day.
We all choose to use it differently.
I choose to do something positive every day and I choose to fucking hustle.
That's why I have what I have.
Nobody gave me shit and in five years I built the empire.
W. Rick, man.
That's it.
Last question here.
Mr. Claps cheeks says, question for you guys.
Is it better to be loved or feared?
Let's try to answer this one.
and let him answer it.
It's a tricky question.
Honest to God, you need a little bit of both.
Because if you're feared, a coward might do something to you because he's afraid of you.
But if you're a little bit of both, you're kind of protected.
Okay.
Good way to answer it.
That's the last one.
All right.
All right.
So Rick, this is a great episode, bro.
Thank you for coming.
Where can they find you?
Rick Wershey underscore junior on Instagram and the eighth by white boy Rick is my brand page on Instagram.
There you go.
So support that brand.
Share Eighth Amendment, the ban on cruel and unusual punishment, excessive bail, excessive fines.
Thank you.
All right.
All right.
After hours.
All right.
Yeah.
What time?
Right now it's 9.49.
What time?
Probably like 10.30.
11.10.45.
Yeah.
I mean, depending on when Chris gets here.
Yep.
All right.
Cool.
Cool.
All right, guys.
We're back in about 45 to an hour for after hours.
We'll catch you guys back here in a bit.
Peace.
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