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Dec. 13, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Dating In Las Vegas vs Miami - LIVE FROM VEGAS

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	We're live?
	All right.
	And we are live.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshly Podcast, man.
	You guys are probably wondering, like, yo, you guys are live in Vegas.
	We're in Vegas.
	This is awesome.
	On a Thursday night.
	Yep.
	But yeah, we obviously were in a different studio.
	Shout out to everybody that hosted us and made this happen.
	Shout out to those people, man.
	We do.
	I believe it's Athletes for Vegas.
	Yep.
	Yes, shout out to them for the studio and all that stuff, as well as the guest for tonight.
	Yeah, and your homie, right?
	Yeah, Shay.
	Yeah, shout out to him for making this happen.
	Yep.
	But yeah, so guys, we're going to just kind of get right into it, because as you guys know, we don't have our intro and all that other stuff pre-rolled, ready to go.
	But quick announcements, rumble.com slash fresherfit.
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	But Fresh, go ahead, man.
	So ladies, we're in Vegas right now.
	Obviously, you know, we're from Miami.
	But we want to know how dating is in Vegas itself.
	Is it hard?
	Is it tough?
	How's dating been for you so far in Vegas?
	We'll start right over here.
	Wait, should we introduce them?
	Yeah, sure.
	I literally got this in.
	Alright, sure.
	So your name, age, what you guys do for work, that type of thing.
	So we can start right here.
	What's your name?
	Ariel.
	Alright.
	How old are you, Ariel?
	27. Where are you from originally?
	Here.
	Okay.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm an advanced esthetician.
	Okay.
	I specialize in post-op.
	I ran a medical spa.
	Okay.
	And then highest education level completed?
	Trade schooling.
	I'm going back.
	And don't worry, ladies.
	We literally ask this question to every single panel of girls.
	Yeah, so what we do is, so you guys are kind of familiar with this, we collect all the data and we actually have like a whole, like, we've interviewed like 3,300 girls.
	So we literally keep all the data, like, you know, the average age, where they're from, that type of thing.
	Okay.
	So you said trade school.
	All right.
	And then relationship status?
	Single.
	All right.
	Are your parents still together?
	My mom's a widow.
	Okay.
	So yes.
	Forever and ever.
	Okay.
	And then Fresh, your favorite question.
	Birth control?
	Birth control?
	No.
	Okay.
	No?
	No, no, no.
	That makes you emotional.
	I got that part locked in, so.
	Okay.
	That's a good point.
	Any kids?
	Yes.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	And then last question is ethnicity.
	Thai, Chinese, Armenian.
	Okay.
	Oh boy.
	That's a unique mix.
	That's four parents.
	Okay.
	Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	What's your name?
	My name's Israel.
	Okay.
	That's a great name.
	Yeah.
	How old are you?
	26. Where are you from Merzli?
	California.
	Okay.
	What part of California?
	Pasadena.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What do you do for work?
	I have a clothing store.
	It's called Shop Israel.
	It's in here in Vegas.
	Is that your merch right now?
	Yes.
	That's cool.
	Representing all the time.
	Okay.
	What do you do for work?
	Oh, no.
	Sorry.
	Excuse me.
	Highest education level completed?
	College.
	All right.
	Bachelor's degree?
	No, just associates.
	Associates?
	Alright, what'd you get it in?
	No, pause.
	I dropped out after my first year of business.
	Oh, you got an AOS. Alright, high school.
	Alright, so high school.
	And then, uh, relationship status for you?
	Dating.
	Okay, so single, right?
	Dating.
	Somebody?
	One person.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	How long have I been together?
	Um, been dating for about six months.
	Okay.
	How'd you guys meet?
	Bumble.
	Okay, interesting.
	Was it after the new patch where the guy can message you now or was it still on the whole like where the girl has to message first?
	I think it was the girl it was my first time using dating apps and I think it was I had to message first but I didn't know exactly what I was doing so I think either I messaged him or I responded to an inquiry.
	Okay.
	Because I know Bumble has switched some stuff around.
	It used to be you match, but the girls message you.
	Yeah, I heard about that, honestly.
	I mean, dating on that app, I think that was the most easiest app for me to use just because I've heard different things about the other apps.
	So I thought Bumble would be the most...
	It definitely gives women the most latitude, for sure.
	Well, it worked out for you, so there you go.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then are your parents together?
	No.
	All right.
	And then birth control for you?
	No.
	Okay.
	Living life on the edge.
	And then what's your ethnic background?
	I'm black.
	Okay.
	African-American.
	Okay.
	One of us.
	Are you Jewish or no?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	It's a unique name.
	That's why.
	What about you?
	What's your name?
	Crystal.
	All right.
	How old are you?
	33. All right.
	Where are you from, Hersley?
	Born and raised in Vegas.
	Okay.
	What do you do for work?
	I'm a sales and marketing director for Hookah Lounge.
	Has Hookah exploded in popularity with the, you know, popularity of vapes?
	I feel like it has, yeah.
	It's been growing business?
	Yes and no.
	I feel like it's hard to keep the stamina of a hookah lounge consistently going.
	Okay.
	I don't know what it is, but within the last three to five years, there's been an explosion in vaping and hookah.
	Yeah, girls love hookah.
	I don't know why.
	Especially Dominican girls.
	What's wrong with y'all, man?
	Okay, so highest education level completed?
	11th grade.
	Oh okay, so you said fuck high school even.
	Yeah, well I had my oldest when I was 18 turning 19. Oh, gotcha.
	Alright.
	And then relationship status?
	Single.
	Alright.
	Parents still together or?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then birth control for you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then ethnic background?
	Hispanic.
	Mexican.
	Okay.
	Full?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I'm first generation in the States.
	My mom's from Sonora.
	My dad's in Guadalajara.
	Okay.
	Speak green and write flu in Spanish, baby.
	I take the white privilege all day though.
	Yeah.
	But a lot of Mexican girls can come off Caucasian.
	I think especially your son are Guadalajara.
	My dad's from Guadalajara and my mom's from Sonora.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so my mom's very fair-skinned and my dad's very tan with green eyes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then, what about you?
	What's your name?
	Vanity.
	Vanity, alright.
	That's my real name.
	That's your real name?
	Vanity.
	Okay, alright.
	How old are you?
	30. Okay, where are you from originally?
	San Francisco.
	Oh, shit.
	How long have you been in Vegas?
	Oh, like nine years.
	Damn.
	When you left, was San Francisco as bad as it is now?
	No, not at all.
	No?
	Yeah, it's fucking crazy, man.
	Have you been back recently?
	Yes.
	What is the biggest change you would say?
	It's completely different.
	Like, even when you go out there, the complete vibe is different.
	And they're implementing new rules.
	So even for the homeless people, by 11 o'clock, you have to get up.
	You can't just be laying down on the streets.
	But it's not the same.
	There was, like, street performers.
	Like, the city was really live.
	Now, it's, like, not even there.
	Like, the art from it.
	Yeah, the art's dead.
	Everything is, like, different.
	But in some places, it's still okay.
	I was there for TwitchCon.
	It was so weird.
	Oh, you went to San Fran?
	Yeah.
	I thought it was San Diego.
	Oh wait, my bad.
	I don't know where it went.
	I don't know where it went.
	Holy!
	Let me double check.
	Let me double check.
	I was going to say, I thought that was San Diego.
	First you're not introduced to us, then you don't know where you go.
	He has a slept, guys.
	He's operating on no sleep, this guy.
	It's San Diego.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Elon Musk tweeted something about homeless people choose to be homeless.
	Apparently there's a bunch of homeless shelters there, but homeless people choose to just like Mess it up and get in fights.
	It's like as if they don't want the help, almost.
	But, I don't know, controversial tweet you made earlier today.
	But, alright, what do you do for work?
	I do sales operations.
	Okay.
	And then high education level completed?
	Bachelor's.
	Okay.
	What'd you major in?
	Business.
	Where'd you get it from?
	I started off with biology, and then I went to that, but San Jose State.
	Okay.
	Relationship status?
	I am...
	Complicated?
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	Thank you.
	I just knew it.
	That long pause, I was like, yeah, complicated.
	We'll end it with that.
	We'll go to the next one now.
	All right.
	Well, I'll ask this one question then.
	Who doesn't want to commit?
	Is it him or you?
	I wouldn't say either.
	That's interesting.
	Fire.
	Baby daddy?
	No.
	Any kids?
	Yes.
	How many?
	One.
	Okay.
	Is it with that guy?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Parents are together.
	They're divorced, but remarried.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, so they're together then.
	They separated and got back together?
	No, no, no.
	They remarried with someone else.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	This is a hell no.
	I'm not getting it.
	All right, and then birth control for you?
	No.
	Okay, and ethnic background is black?
	Mm-hmm.
	All right, cool.
	All right, so we have the ladies introduced.
	Go ahead, Freshers.
	Yeah, so back to the beginning.
	Dating itself in Miami is tough.
	We all know it's tough around the States, but I want to hear your dating experience in Vegas itself.
	How's it been for you?
	Good, bad, ugly?
	What's your stick on dating?
	Let's start here.
	I haven't really dated yet, kind of, so I think it's like, I don't know.
	At 27?
	Yeah, I was with my son's father until the end of like 2022. Okay.
	Why'd you guys break up?
	Just, it wasn't healthy.
	But great, great dad, great person, you know?
	Wasn't healthy.
	Was it toxic?
	Huh?
	Was it toxic?
	Yeah, it just wasn't healthy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I guess toxic, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Were you guys like married or?
	Engaged.
	Okay.
	Oh, shit.
	And then you, did you break it off or who initiated the breakup?
	Hmm.
	Yeah, I guess it was kind of like both of us.
	We were fighting, and then I was being stubborn, and then he walked out.
	And then we split up for a while, and then he was like, just tell me you want me back in the house, baby, and I'll come home.
	I'm like, no, bro, you could go to therapy and figure it out from there.
	If not, then no, because I was realizing my son would grow up seeing what I grew up seeing.
	I don't want that.
	And they say statistically, actually, the kid grows up fine in separate households.
	Because honestly, when there was infidelity, that's when I should have left.
	But I stayed because also love and forgiveness, but my child.
	Isn't it better with two parents, though?
	Yes.
	I still got two parents.
	It's not healthy if you got two parents neck and neck in the house.
	And he sees that.
	Is it 50-50 split?
	And I'm raising a son.
	Yes.
	And I'm grateful for that.
	Is he white or black?
	Hispanic.
	Hispanic?
	Okay.
	So, yeah, because it's not common for guys to, like, end relationships.
	So you're saying that he, like, walked out and he kind of ended it?
	Or started the...
	He initiated the breakup?
	Or would you say you initiated it?
	Okay, because he was irritating me.
	And then I told him, like, don't talk to me right now.
	And then he was just like, what?
	I was like, I just not...
	Like, happy with our relationship and, like, everything we've been through and the way you're treating me, that's not what I deserve.
	You deserve better.
	Yeah, I was setting boundaries.
	Like, there was, you know, like, domestic and fidelity.
	Like, a lot of shit.
	Like, because he was from, like, he had a certain lifestyle.
	And when we had a kid, it was like, you can't do both.
	So it got to a certain point.
	And then he was just like, well, then I'll just leave.
	And I'm just like, Was he a high earner?
	Is he like a high earner?
	Makes a lot of money?
	Yeah, but it don't matter.
	I make money for both entrepreneurs.
	So infidelity was your biggest thing?
	Yeah, the fuck I gave you a baby and you're going to step out then?
	You should have did that before the baby.
	Because then we wouldn't have had a baby.
	So your issue is the infidelity after having a kid?
	Yeah, and domestic and then just drugs and stuff like that.
	So he didn't want to leave the party life?
	I mean, you told me.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He's in sales and it's a lifestyle.
	Like, it's just...
	Yeah, I guess it's...
	It's fast pace.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	But was he, like, doing, like, running around and dealing with women and stuff?
	Like, did you guys have an open relationship or was it supposed to be monogamous?
	It was monogamous.
	Okay.
	So it was supposed to be monogamous and then he didn't, like, continue to stay monogamous after you guys had the kid.
	Or at least you found out later.
	Yeah.
	And it's insecurity.
	He was a...
	He just, like, we're young.
	And then now you got to be a husband.
	And then, like...
	And then you got to provide.
	And you stress and whatever and stuff like that.
	And then I was young, too.
	And very toxic.
	Interesting.
	All right.
	And you said you guys were, like, together since, like, high school?
	No.
	Like, 18...
	Right after high school.
	It was funny because I did custom clothing.
	I ran a kiosk in the mall and then he was one of the shoe cleaner guys.
	So what have you learned from this whole interaction with this guy or your baby daddy that you would take forward now to your next relationship?
	What have you learned?
	Boundaries.
	Boundaries?
	Love myself first.
	Okay.
	That's it?
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Boundaries.
	Love yourself first.
	Love myself first and then just be as best as I can.
	Put God first, honestly.
	And what's the non-negotiable on your boundaries now?
	The number one thing that's non-negotiable.
	He has to be faithful, can't cheat, has to be a higher earner.
	Just transparency.
	I don't want honesty.
	Transparency.
	Dr. Brent said that.
	So I was like, that was just right.
	Because it's true.
	For honesty, they got to get caught with something to tell the truth.
	But if they're transparent and they tell you what it is from the beginning, you either say yes or no and move on.
	That's all I want.
	So would you be okay if a guy told you, hey, look, I like you, but I'm going to have other women?
	Yeah, no, I don't do all that.
	Because, like, my body, like, I don't want to get anything.
	Well, you can see why guys wouldn't say it up front then.
	Because you're going to just walk away.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Niggas are niggas.
	Okay, what about you?
	The question is, how's dating for you in Vegas, right?
	Yeah, how's it been for you?
	Dating has been good for me in Vegas.
	I feel like I'm very particular.
	How long have you been here?
	Because you said you're from Pasadena, right?
	I've been here for almost eight years.
	Yes.
	Seven years, eight years.
	I have had an interesting dating experience, but I think everything has helped me grow and become the person I am today.
	So I think that every person I met has helped me become who I am today.
	I have a question for you.
	Before you met your current guy right now, was it like flings off and on of people?
	Or was it more like, okay, I have a guy now, breakup, guy now.
	How was that timeline, if you don't mind me asking?
	No.
	I want to say I was in like… I've been engaged three times.
	Three times?
	Period.
	What?
	I've been engaged three times.
	So I was in like serious relationships… They weren't like flings.
	Let me get this straight.
	You said no three times?
	I've been engaged three times.
	Three different niggas?
	They weren't niggas, but yeah.
	Wait, white boys?
	One Mexican, two Mexican guys and one white guy.
	What's your type?
	Intelligence.
	So not physical traits per se, but you have to mentally stimulate me.
	Just be able to like go to deeper levels.
	I gotta figure this out.
	Why did you say no to these guys then?
	Technically, she said yeah, she was engaged.
	I did say yes, but I called it off.
	Why did you call it off?
	The first one I called off because I realized he would never grow with me, so I realized if I wanted to grow, I'd have to leave him behind.
	Real quick, for each engagement, how long were you engaged for?
	Well, the first guy I was engaged to was my high school sweetheart.
	We were together for four years and engaged for one year.
	Okay, and then the second?
	Second guy I was with for about two years.
	We were engaged within four months, five months.
	Okay, so you guys were engaged for like six months.
	We were engaged for a year and a half.
	A year and a half.
	Yeah, we were together for like two years.
	And then what about the last guy?
	The last guy, he asked me to marry him like three weeks.
	Oh, shit.
	She got that good.
	The funny thing about that guy is we didn't have sex for a year, so he asked me to marry him.
	He was Mormon, though.
	What?
	He wanted to get to it.
	So how long were you guys actually engaged?
	So he asked me to marry him three times, the last guy, but I said yes the first time and then I called it off because he was still actually married to somebody else.
	So I called off the engagement because he gave me the ring and I kept the ring, but I was like, you need to figure out your stuff first.
	So we were together.
	So you knew he was married?
	Yeah, I knew he was married.
	But he was like separated.
	He was like separated and married.
	So how long were you guys engaged total time?
	A year?
	Technically we were together for like two and a half, three years.
	Okay, but engaged for one of those years?
	Two years?
	It's complicated because I did say that I called off the engagement because he was still married.
	So it took him about a year and a half to get officially divorced.
	So let's call it cumulative time.
	You guys engaged roughly a year.
	Sure.
	A year, two years.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Basically our whole relationship almost that we were together for.
	Yeah.
	Fair.
	Okay.
	So you're considered like a saposexual then?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So color doesn't matter.
	Just smartness.
	Looks, color, age, none of it matters.
	I honestly have dated.
	You okay?
	Okay.
	Miss Bumble, got you.
	No, not on Bumble.
	Okay, this guy, this is the first time I've ever tried online dating the first time, this time.
	But everyone else, I met in the wild, naturally.
	Okay, let's say I'm in Vegas, and let's say I'm a girl, I want to meet a guy, where should I go?
	I would say meet a girl where you would like to...
	Let's say there's a girl that's coming to Vegas.
	Where she should go to meet guys?
	She would want to meet a guy that's in what she's looking for.
	So if you're looking for a guy that's a clubby guy, go to a club.
	If you're looking for a guy that's a gym rat, go to a gym.
	If you're looking for a guy that's more established, has his shit together, he might be doing tennis practice.
	He might be playing pickleball.
	He might be going to a coffee shop in Summerlin.
	It depends on the levels of the type of men you want to date.
	You've got to be in those areas that he would frequent.
	Okay, let's say she wants a smart guy.
	Where does she go?
	Online might be better for one of those because smart guys are typically shy and they're not the type of approach people.
	So online, if you're looking for more of a nerdy, intelligent, that type of guy, I would say online because they're the type of people that aren't really like social.
	And what have you learned from meeting your current guy now that's helped you move forward, I guess, with dating?
	Just never settle.
	You know, there's people that will come into your life for different reasons, different seasons.
	They will teach you things.
	You'll meet great people and you're going to have really great love with some people, but they're not going to be the one all the time.
	So never settle?
	Never settle, but obviously appreciate the people that you have while you're with them, but know that not everyone is for you forever.
	Like, nothing is forever.
	Enjoy the experience.
	These three people that you got engaged with, how did you meet them in the wild?
	You said you met them all in the wild.
	Yeah, I met them.
	Two of them I met at a club, and then one of them I met on playing Call of Duty.
	Wait, you played Call of Duty?
	That's pretty cool.
	Let me guess, the Mormon guy was Call of Duty?
	No.
	My high school sweetheart, actually.
	He lived two hours from me, and I met him on Call of Duty.
	Are you even good at the game?
	I could drop shot you so fast.
	Oh!
	We're going to put that to the test, okay?
	Zombies, Call of Duty, block robbies.
	Yeah, we're going to put it to the test.
	Hold on.
	Okay, if he's your high school sweetheart, that means you guys knew each other in high school.
	He was four years older than me, and he was a senior and I was a freshman, and we met on Call of Duty my freshman year.
	So he was graduating.
	Okay.
	When I was like my freshman year.
	But you guys didn't know each other until you met in this like playing games?
	Yeah.
	No, he was at a completely different school.
	So I say high school sweetheart because we were both in high school when we met, but technically we didn't go to the same high school.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Because if you say that most people, they're going to assume you guys went to school together.
	And in my head, I'm like, wait, what are the chances that you meet someone that went to your high school on a Call of Duty lobby?
	Yeah.
	He lived two hours away from me.
	My mom drove me two hours to go meet him.
	You guys were both high school age when you met.
	That's what you mean.
	Okay, last thing from me.
	So I find it interesting you said never settle.
	So your current guy, never settle?
	I think communication is one of the most important things in relationships.
	And if you thoroughly communicate how you feel and what you need with somebody, they can either adapt and try to meet your needs, compromise, or you have to accept them for what they are or not accept them and leave.
	So there's different levels to like communicating that you have to like understand.
	Someone can't read your brain.
	Someone can't assume or expect something.
	So if you want something to work, you have to communicate.
	But sometimes you're not going to get the same answers that you kind of want out of that communication.
	So from that communication, you can either realize, okay, we work well.
	We can figure it out.
	We can compromise.
	We can fix this.
	Or this is something that is like not something that we agree on.
	So if it's not something you agree on, you either...
	Move separate ways or find a compromise somehow.
	But everything in relationships, whether it be like sexual, friendship, whatever, you have to communicate.
	So that's what I learned.
	Okay, interesting.
	Thank you.
	Real quick, we got PeachSlayer88 in the chat says, Thank you FNF for changing my life since 2021. I used to be a simp before that and now since I've been watching, I've had the mindset of chase dreams, not women.
	I got signed on to agency WFNF. Shout out to you, bro.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Yeah, dating for you in Vegas.
	How's it been?
	I'm born and raised, so I have I have dated while I was in my toxic You know, so definitely unhealed.
	What age was that?
	Okay, so I didn't start healing actually until like my 30s.
	So...
	When did you start this toxic phase?
	22, 23?
	Start my toxic phase?
	Yeah.
	Oh, gosh.
	So I come from a...
	My dad was an alcoholic and my dad was constantly...
	He was...
	Abusive?
	Abusive, yeah, to my mom.
	So I grew up in a...
	Kind of a violent home.
	So my trauma started from very, very young.
	Wow.
	So from there, I mean, I started drinking in fifth grade, started smoking weed in fifth grade.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	So I started numbing almost, you know, as soon as I learned how...
	I didn't understand coping skills.
	Well, I did numbing, you know, so that was my coping skills.
	So I think it wasn't until four and a half years ago when I stopped drinking, when I truly started to...
	Want to learn who I am and why I am the way that I am.
	So for me, dating, I was with my kid's dad for almost eight years.
	And then from there, that shit was toxic.
	After that, I mean, we've been separated for almost two years now in February.
	I've dated since then and I feel like because I've healed and I kind of know what my healthy boundaries are, I feel like I see a lot of people's unhealthy boundaries and where they...
	So you've technically been single for the past two years then?
	Yes.
	Give us your biggest ick from a guy.
	Biggest ick.
	That you can see clearly now.
	For me, it's like the bully.
	I don't know when a guy's mean to a girl and that's his form of...
	That's what I'm saying.
	Men in this city are competitive with women.
	It's just weird.
	Yeah, they bully and they're mean and that's their way of flirting.
	You mean they're assholes?
	Yeah, they're assholes.
	I actually just made a TikTok on that.
	Damn.
	Okay, so...
	And this is something that you've noticed exclusively with men from Vegas is that they're mean and bully?
	There's like a little like...
	Would you say a majority?
	It's just spread.
	I feel like they don't really know how to talk and communicate.
	That's how they flirt.
	So they bully and they're kind of assholes.
	Condescending?
	They play the game.
	Well, let me ask you this because you guys tend to agree on this.
	These individuals that are mean or bully you, what are their professions?
	Are they like successful guys?
	Some.
	Or they not?
	Yeah, they got money.
	Okay.
	Alright, so you would agree with that sentiment that the guys that are typically meaner typically have money or are successful?
	I feel like it doesn't really matter.
	Like, whether they have money or not, I feel like there's a good chunk of them that are just...
	Some of them, too, I guess.
	Well, I'm trying to find out what's the main quality that all these men have where they're bullying and mean.
	I think the quality...
	They're insecure.
	I think that's the quality.
	I was going to say, it's the low self-esteem, but so they have to go by their ego and...
	Okay.
	You know, it's interesting.
	Women always like to use this term, they're insecure.
	Can you explain to me, like, what is it specifically that makes them insecure?
	Can you guys give me an example?
	They're in an uncomfortable situation that they don't know how to address and communicate properly.
	So, for example, there'll be men that will be insecure about what their girlfriend is wearing.
	However, that's something that you can communicate.
	If your girlfriend is wearing these items when you met her, then you should not expect her to change her appearance based off of how you feel other people are approaching her.
	So sometimes men will come off as very...
	Like, what are you wearing?
	Why are you looking like that?
	Okay, so your example is clothing.
	What about what the woman chooses?
	What about you two?
	What's your example of insecure?
	It could also just be with them.
	Just insecure with themselves.
	There's a reason why I'm doing this because...
	I'm just going to be very blunt here.
	Women have a very bad habit of using a generalizing statement when I say, can you be specific about what you particularly mean here?
	They can't really identify.
	So she did with the clothing.
	I feel like their insecurity comes from a lot of their childhood traumas that they haven't healed from.
	Okay, that's the source.
	But what is it that actually shows that they're insecure?
	Give me an example.
	I would say the way they communicate.
	The way they raise their volume when they're talking to you and they try to call you names and demean you and make you feel little.
	It's the mind games.
	Condescending?
	Yes.
	When they're talking to you as if you're not a literal human and you're not the same person you were just five minutes ago.
	I've met people that go from like, oh my god, I love you so much.
	Are you fucking stupid?
	How could you say that to someone you love?
	How could you talk to someone you love and say, oh my god, I love you so much?
	And with this thread that you're kind of going through, would it be fair to say that this is what kind of happens after the discussion about clothing?
	No, it could happen in any, not just clothing, but I just can give little examples of like a relationship I was in where one moment he would be so in love with me and the next moment I would disappoint him in some way and he would talk to me in a way that was not nice.
	And I felt it stemmed from me doing something that he didn't like.
	What was it in particular that he didn't like that he spoke to you that way?
	What did he do?
	So, for example, I have a clothing store and I do a lot of marketing and networking with people.
	One of the examples, he didn't like the way I communicated with my customers.
	If I call them, hey, love, hey, babe, how are you?
	Or if I lift those with a heart...
	Sorry.
	You're okay.
	See, it's like insecurity.
	He's like, I don't like the way that you call girls babe or love.
	And I was like, why do you not like that?
	He's like, because it makes it seem like you don't have that same value when you say that to me.
	And I was like, if I say hey babe or hey love to a girl, I'm just saying it like as in a friendly, casual tone.
	You're taking it as something more than that.
	Just because I say I love you doesn't mean I can't tell people, oh my god, I love you so much.
	But he takes it in a way that he feels insecure because he thinks my words have less value when I say that to him versus other people.
	And it's just like code switching.
	Sometimes you're talking to some people in a certain way and you can call your friends like, hey bitch, or whatever.
	Yeah.
	But you're not going to talk to a stranger and say, hey, bitch.
	But in a sense, isn't that him also communicating that to you and saying that he's uncomfortable with that?
	Yeah, I understood that.
	He communicated and I stopped doing it.
	But at the same time, I felt like I'm not being my genuine self.
	And I can't be in a relationship where I can't be my genuine self.
	So how did you react when he first said that?
	What was your initial reaction?
	My initial reaction was...
	Confusion because I've always communicated with my customers.
	I'm a very friendly, very open with all my customers, all my clients.
	And just being in a way that I have to change the way I talk and communicate with them because the person that I love doesn't like that.
	It felt like he was making me change who I was as a person.
	Okay, so I see your perspectives.
	What about you guys?
	Do you guys have specific examples about...
	Insecure.
	I think for me, my experience has been, because I've been an entrepreneur, so, and I've gone, my, obviously, those, the type of men I go for are entrepreneurs as well.
	So, I'm always on, we're always wanting, like, gold crushing.
	And I've noticed when it, when I get a little bit too high on certain things.
	Yeah, then it's a competition where it's like, bro, one day I'm gonna be less and you be more, like, you know, and then it gets into, like.
	How's it a competition?
	Can you give me an example?
	Well, when I was directing and operating locations in Vegas for kiosks in the mall, and then I was in school, and I was running my household, and he was running kiosks and locations in the jewelry business, but he wasn't making as much money at the time, so it made him bitter, I feel like.
	But see, I'm going with one person.
	How did it make...
	How did it make him bitter?
	How did he show that he was bitter?
	Well, just like, yeah, you're just sitting around the house.
	He's rude.
	I don't know how else to explain bitterness.
	When somebody's bitter and they're rude and they're disrespectful.
	And the issues that you're saying when you first met, he wasn't that way?
	Of course, no.
	Was he making the same amount of money when y'all met?
	No.
	He was making more?
	No.
	Less?
	Yeah.
	Well, I was making more, but then there's times where, you know, like this.
	And I would notice, even if it wasn't the money, just like doing things, like to implement and get to the next level of things.
	But he was just always like this or stagnant.
	During those times when he was like that, I would notice a change in his characteristic.
	Do you think it was him being bitter because he was making less money?
	Or maybe that was a response to some of your behaviors?
	Yeah.
	Sometimes, okay.
	I've thought about that too, so I think it could be a combination.
	No, a combination for sure.
	Okay.
	Comes out.
	Yeah, because...
	No, of course.
	Whenever you go into any relationship, it's what the person did to you and when you leave, you want to know what you could have done better for the next person, of course.
	So I've reflected on that.
	Yeah, because I find it interesting that you're attributing some of his hostility to his earnings versus is it really from his earnings if he was making generally the same amount of money when you met him or just your behaviors that annoyed him?
	And then you go ahead and cope and say it's because you earn more money than him.
	But it was like positive behaviors.
	It was just kind of like, yo, we're not going to be...
	Like, we have no time to just chill and fuck around.
	Like, come on, let's get this.
	And it's trying to be motivating, but I guess it's just pressure because...
	I don't know.
	Did he sell drugs?
	No.
	I mean, like, he was...
	He did it.
	Do you think it's a woman's place to tell a man to, you know...
	Hey, let's get out there and work.
	Do you think that's her place?
	I feel like it's a masculine thing.
	He should want to do that in general.
	And that's for me.
	My dad always told me never depend on a man.
	So that's where I know I get my certain things from.
	And that's always been a thing in my relationships.
	Like I always, you know, and I don't ask for help and stuff like that.
	But it's never been like, it's always just been uplifting though.
	Like whatever you want to do, come on, let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	And then I still want to do whatever the fuck I want to do.
	And then it's just like, I don't know.
	It's big.
	Let me ask you this.
	Let's say you guys were in a relationship and he told you that you need to paint your nails a certain way, wear certain clothing, and he scrutinized everything that you wore and how you went out when you presented yourself.
	Okay, I wasn't doing that with him.
	No, but I'm saying, let's assume he did that to you.
	Would that be annoying?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like, if he told you how to be a woman, essentially, wouldn't you find it like- No, for me it was like, this was a project.
	He was, you don't need to do drugs, take care of your body, do something healthy with your life.
	So it's okay for you to nitpick him, but you would not like it if he did it to you?
	I would love for him, too.
	Because if it's something that's fucked up with me, like, if I'm, yeah, because this is my health.
	I want to look good.
	Like, I want to make sure, like, if I'm, like, I was just talking about this with a friend.
	Like, if I'm overweight and you don't tell and I'm telling you or whatever and you have those friends that are like, no, girl, you still look fine, whatever.
	I'm like, no, like, because I want to be the best version of myself.
	Our bodies are temple.
	I want a partner that holds me accountable.
	If I have some shit that's stanky, clean it out.
	And I'm going to do the same thing with him.
	Interesting.
	So many avenues there.
	I'll just say this.
	You seem like a very driven woman and you know what you want.
	Which means you don't tolerate BS. But at the same time...
	I tolerate a lot of fucking shit though.
	At the same time, you could also be very demanding.
	So that's what I just take from it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Dating life?
	How's it been for you?
	Biggest life?
	It's been okay.
	I mean, I don't really date a lot out here.
	When I have met someone with my current partner right now, we met through a friend.
	And that's why it has been successful.
	It wasn't like at a club or anything.
	It was basically like a pairing.
	Was it a referral?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Referral period.
	A good referral program.
	Is it?
	They say that's the best way too because they know you.
	I'm confused.
	So you're saying that this referral program was successful?
	Yes.
	So why is the relationship complicated right now?
	Because it's live.
	That's why.
	It's what?
	Because we're live right now.
	That's why it's complicated.
	Um, wait.
	Yes.
	I'm confused.
	So on one end, you're saying the referral program was great.
	Yes.
	So wouldn't it make sense for you to say, yeah, the relationship is great while you're live right now versus saying it's complicated?
	No, I mean, as far as like, when it comes to like the details, it's complicated because we're on, you know, other sides of the spectrum, but it's good.
	Right person, still building.
	Yeah, that's very cryptic.
	Can you just clarify a little bit?
	Because that doesn't make sense to me.
	That's extremely cryptic and confusing.
	So we met through a friend.
	This was a successful program?
	Yeah, and with that sense, it's been going good since.
	And now we're just moving forward.
	Okay, so is it really complicated at that point?
	Not really.
	Question.
	Yo, what the hell, man?
	You said you have a kid, right?
	Yes, I do.
	Is it hard dating with a kid, you think?
	It is.
	Nowadays?
	Because he has to take you and the kid too.
	Yes.
	Is he serious about your kid like that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Do you feel like nowadays, most people are not cool with having to deal with a kid and their partner, you would say?
	Thank you.
	- People are not able to love anyone more than themselves.
	When you're dealing with a woman with a kid, you have to understand like this is a two people thing.
	And I don't agree that women should introduce their kids to men that they just meet, 'cause that happens a lot.
	They'll introduce men to their kids within like two weeks, three weeks, two months.
	But it takes more than that.
	Like you have to make sure that you guys are compatible.
	You have to make sure that they're not like creep.
	You have to make sure there's a lot of things that come into it. - Yeah. - And then on the other side of the spectrum, there's men that are like, I wouldn't date a woman with a kid because I feel like this.
	I feel like I'm this type of person.
	But, I mean, if you're sitting here, you're 35, you're still single, you don't want to date a woman with a kid.
	When in reality, women who are 27 plus usually do have kids.
	But if you want to sit here and, you know, say certain things, I mean, you might be missing out.
	But...
	So three of you have children, right?
	And are somewhat single or complicated.
	So let me ask this.
	Do you think a woman that has a child can have the same requirements and demands of a man that she would when she didn't have a kid?
	Yes.
	Yes?
	Okay, so standards don't go down.
	What about you?
	Say again, what was the question?
	A woman that has a kid, right?
	Do you think that she can demand and require the same status of a man that she wanted prior to her having that child?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so she doesn't have to lower standards in your opinion.
	I think the standard probably just gets a little bit higher once you have a child.
	It's like you look for a certain type of man.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I don't think it goes down.
	I have three kids.
	So you gotta think about you and your child now.
	I have a lot of men that actually don't have kids that are still willing to date me.
	But for me, I have morals, I have values, I have somewhat of a checklist that I need to make sure all of these things.
	So if anything, you guys think the standards should stay at the same when you were single and childless?
	Or if not, actually go up?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, because it's the safety of our kids.
	Okay, now realistically speaking, do you think you qualify for that compared to other single women that are younger and don't have children?
	No.
	I mean, I don't think so.
	Do you qualify?
	Not you in particular, but do you think that women that have children qualify to the same standards as someone who doesn't have kids, realistically speaking?
	No, it's different.
	Spec is different.
	How's it different?
	Because you don't have to think about the other standard of your child.
	Your child is like the piece of you, but your child is a whole different person that has their own different standards.
	All right, well, let me ask you this.
	So now you're thinking of like, now you have to be on a specific standard of a man where when you're single, it's kind of like...
	Okay, hold on, hold on.
	Let's make this a little bit more fun because obviously you guys are invested in this question because some of you guys are single moms.
	How about this?
	Let's say your son was going to get into a serious relationship.
	Two options.
	One girl, 21, no children.
	Other girl, 31, two children.
	Who would you tell him to get with?
	Assuming everything else is equal, who would you prefer your son to get with?
	Who would you suggest?
	Let's say he's like 25, 27. What would you suggest?
	Yeah, my son's sick, so I don't even think of whatever is the healthier option.
	No, no.
	Assuming all things are equal, Both girls are the same exact person essentially, but one is a little bit older with two children versus the other one has no children and is younger.
	Who should you go with?
	Start here.
	The one that makes him a good man and with God.
	Again, everything equal.
	Everything equal?
	Yes.
	If you had to choose one.
	Oh, well, I don't know.
	The one my son wants to choose, not what I want to choose for him.
	Okay.
	What would you pick for your son?
	The love being equal.
	He loves it.
	Like the same, same.
	Everything's same.
	But the only thing that's not the same is the one with kids or no kids.
	And she's older.
	And age.
	What, and age?
	And she's older too.
	Yeah.
	But then you can't say same, same.
	Obviously, go.
	So here's the thing.
	I love that answer that you gave.
	You're basically conceding that age and amount of children absolutely matters in your value.
	And this is kind of what you guys are dancing around, which I find is very interesting during the course of this conversation.
	That I think you guys inherently understand that your value is intimately tied to your age and if you have children or not when it comes to how men assess you.
	It's just that you guys don't like admitting this.
	Oh, okay.
	I can agree with that.
	I can tell from the stammering and the inability to answer this question.
	No, I don't know.
	So what is this vice versa?
	What if it's a 21-year-old with a baby and a 31-year-old that has no kids?
	A man, you mean?
	No, with a woman.
	If she's 31 and she has no kids and the girl is 21 with a kid and he's 25, as you say, then what is a good choice?
	I would say they're almost equal.
	Why?
	Because the things that men value women for, basically youth and beauty, right?
	That's going to be more apparent in the younger woman.
	Though she has a kid that obviously knocks her down significantly, I would say she still holds somewhat similar value to the 31-year-old.
	So we should date older men then?
	No, I'm talking about, well, yes, that's typically women are attracted to, but men don't like to date older women is my basic premise here.
	I mean, all of your boyfriends right now, complicated guy, is he older than you?
	Mm-hmm.
	So, I mean, clearly there's merit to what I'm saying.
	See, it is true.
	Okay, so you see someone, right?
	You meet a girl and she looks young, for example.
	She looks a certain age.
	And she still doesn't have kids or whatever.
	But she looks young and she tells you how old she is and she's older than you.
	Would you automatically be like, no, I'm not going to date her because she's like three years older than me?
	No, he'll be like, that's hot.
	Is it going to be hot in 10 years?
	Not him.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Looks are great, right?
	Some girls are able to push the clock back, but in general, older women tend to have bad habits.
	Like what?
	That aren't reprogrammable.
	Baggage.
	A lot of trauma.
	A lot of red flags.
	Children from prior relationships.
	Children are good.
	See, for you.
	Well, what if I say I don't date men with children and I have a child?
	You don't date what?
	I don't like to date men with children.
	Yeah, that's true.
	What if I say something like that, then...
	I mean, you'd be 100% within your prerogative to say that.
	But would I be wrong?
	I don't think men would take offense if you said that.
	But I find it interesting that women will absolutely take offense if a guy says, I don't date single moms.
	I mean, I would argue that most women don't date guys with kids.
	Yeah.
	Or if they do, a lot of the times that guy brings a lot of value.
	He makes a good amount of money or whatever.
	Successful.
	So women get a lot of value from being with a single father versus when a guy comes into a relationship with a single mom, at some point he's going to bear the brunt of raising that child.
	I have a question.
	You have no kids, right?
	I have no kids.
	Would you be a guy with kids?
	I did.
	Would you do it again?
	Yes.
	Really?
	Yes.
	They'll do it if they got money and they're successful.
	That's the difference.
	It's different when money is not.
	Money is like the number one thing in relationships which causes turmoil.
	So when you're not worried about money, that's a whole thing you can take off of the table that you don't have to worry about.
	Kids are usually difficult when the mom and the dad don't get along or agree with each other.
	So, when there's no mom in the picture, but there's kids, totally fine.
	It's just a little difficult getting along with the kids and getting to know them.
	When there is a mom in the picture still, and then there is kids, you have to be able to have a good relationship with the mom because the mom has control of the kids.
	So, you would deal with baby mama drama?
	I don't deal with baby mama drama, no.
	But if I can be cordial with the mom of the kids...
	You're hoping that you can be.
	I was, but yeah.
	If I'm not, then the relationship won't work.
	I think for women, getting with a single father isn't as detrimental as a man getting with a single mother.
	Because women aren't expected to come in and provide resources.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	We have way more skin in the game when we get with single moms versus you guys getting in with a single dad.
	The single dad more so needs us.
	I was about to say.
	I'm like, thank goodness.
	It's the opposite.
	They don't need you.
	And you're not expected to provide resources, which is the biggest thing.
	Versus as a single dad, at some point you're going to have to deal with that ugly reality that you're going to support this kid that isn't yours to some degree.
	At some point.
	So if a guy gets with a single mom, once that relationship becomes serious, she comes with the kid.
	Versus you get with a single father, yeah, he's coming with the kids.
	He's taking care of you and the kids.
	He's never going to ask you for money for that kid nine or ten times.
	Right?
	So I think that's the biggest difference.
	Women have way less skin in the game.
	Maybe some emotional skin because you'll obviously develop a bond with that child.
	But I would argue men rarely end relationships.
	So is he really going to pull that child from you?
	Probably not if you're a good woman.
	But on the other hand, single moms end relationships all the time.
	And then what ends up happening is not only do you have emotional investment with that kid as the man, now you have financial investment as well because you've spent money.
	Because at some point, as a guy, you're expected to be the breadwinner to some degree, even if it's partial.
	I mean, keeping it real, all things being equal in fear, if I was going to buy a car, use a new, I want to buy a new car.
	You know?
	Not use.
	Same.
	I understand exactly what you're saying.
	And completely, it makes sense.
	That's why I think as a woman my age, 26, single, no kids, I typically like dating people significantly older because they appreciate my youth more so than the people my age.
	And they also have a lot more value and wisdom that I can learn from.
	So that's why I'm typically attracted to people at least like 20 years older than me.
	What's the oldest you ever dated?
	58. He looks great.
	I think that's good.
	I think girls should date as old as they can.
	Sorry about that.
	Sorry about that.
	Okay.
	I can't even think about that right now.
	Alright, let's move on.
	Trust me, he's in better shape than you.
	Like, you'd be surprised.
	Let me ask this question.
	The insecurity thing, real quick.
	So, if you guys get a new job, right, would it be fair to say that when you get that new job, You have to adhere to their code of conduct, uniform policy, and kind of follow their rules of the company?
	Yes.
	So would you tell your boss that they're insecure for implementing this code of conduct or rules and regulations?
	Not if you're agreeing to work for that job, no.
	But then there's people that don't want to work for other people that set their own zone.
	Okay, I'll pause.
	But hold on, hold on.
	How the boss talking to me.
	Yeah, but the thing is that you will go ahead and accept these rules and regulations as a code of conduct for this job, right?
	Change the way that you dress and even come in with a uniform for it, correct?
	You have to.
	So I find it interesting that you guys won't change your behavior for a man who could potentially be your husband.
	We will.
	You just were talking before that you had an issue with the way he told you to dress out in public and behavior.
	I had an issue because he wasn't a provider.
	He wasn't a provider.
	He wasn't my husband.
	Wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	You said you don't care about money.
	Huh?
	You said you don't care about money.
	Who said that?
	You said you care about being smart.
	A man provides more than just money.
	If you just think about provision...
	Don't save her!
	You just said earlier...
	I'm a sapiosexual.
	I'm attracted to people's brains and their intelligence.
	They have to have something of themselves.
	That is important.
	You said earlier it's not important to you, but now it is.
	It's always been important, but I've dated people with no money, and I've realized...
	It's not that she didn't say it's not important, she just omitted it, though.
	She didn't, like...
	She put it as intelligence is the main prerequisite, but the reality is the ability to provide resources is...
	So, I've dated guys that are significantly older than me that have been providers, and I have dated guys that are not providers, but they mentally stimulate me to become a better person.
	So, the guy that I was having an issue with, the one that was telling me how to dress and what to do and blah, blah, blah, he wasn't a provider.
	He wasn't paying my bills.
	He wasn't taking care of things.
	Hold on, hold on.
	But here's the interesting thing.
	So, you calling them insecure is 1,000% contingent on their ability to provide?
	No.
	This is what's showing right now.
	No, because I was with a man that would let me be myself and be me completely and accepted me for who I was.
	And...
	I was totally okay with being with someone like that and hearing what he had to say and remedating and compromising and agreeing with what he felt in the moment was hurting him or addressing his feelings.
	Was that guy a provider?
	Yes.
	So that proves my point.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	You...
	Because I find it interesting, right?
	This is something that is exclusive to females.
	Ugly guy comes and talks to you?
	Oh, this guy's a fucking creep.
	I take an attractive man, have him say the same exact thing to you.
	Oh my god, he's so charming.
	You guys don't really care about what's said or what's done.
	You care about who's doing it, who's perpetrating it.
	So you said, oh, this guy's insecure, right?
	But realistically speaking, it's not that he's insecure.
	It's that he's insecure and not providing for you.
	Versus the guy that's providing for you, you're not going to call him insecure.
	You're just going to say, oh, well, he's a provider.
	So you see like the dilemma here where I'm coming from where women will attribute negative...
	Hold on, hold on.
	Women will attribute negative connotations or pejorative terms to an individual based on who they are versus their actions.
	Does that make sense?
	I get where you're coming from.
	But I also would call the guy that I was dating a provider, that guy, that was amazing.
	I would call him out on things that he would do too, but he would fix them instead of just argue with me about it.
	He would take into consideration what I was saying.
	Like, for example...
	So now that guy you're saying was a provider too?
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	The guy that was a provider, I would communicate things that he would say, like, insecurities.
	Like, if something came up, we would communicate with it to each other, and we would, like, understand, remedy, compromise.
	Oh, okay.
	So, hold on.
	Just so I get this right.
	Guy that you mentioned originally with insecurity, he had these issues with the way that you addressed and addressed customers, but he wasn't a provider, so therefore, you can't tell me shit.
	Fair enough.
	The other guy...
	He also had issues.
	He would tell you, you guys would communicate, but he was a provider and you were more receptive to hearing him out.
	However, you would tell him your issues and he would listen to you.
	Is that accurate?
	We would vice versa tell each other's issues, yeah.
	Yeah, but he wouldn't take your issues seriously and act on him like you did on his.
	Fair?
	No, he would.
	He would take my issues seriously.
	Oh, he would?
	Okay.
	Didn't you just say a second ago that he wouldn't?
	Okay, sorry.
	Let's call one guy A and one guy B. B guy was the Mormon guy.
	He was the provider.
	He was an amazing person.
	Yep.
	He was 26 years older than me.
	Okay.
	We would talk and communicate and understand each other.
	I was very young and naive at the time.
	Yeah.
	But you were receptive to his things.
	I was more receptive to him because I felt like he had good intentions.
	Okay.
	Was he receptive to you as you were to him?
	Yes.
	Okay, he was.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, so then what's the wrong...
	That's B or A? The B is the bad guy.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm confused now.
	Me too.
	Dang, sorry.
	Listen, I'm following.
	Keep going.
	Okay, A was the great guy.
	The Mormon guy.
	Yep.
	Provider.
	Yep.
	Provider.
	He was the guy that we were like extremely great business partners.
	We worked really well together.
	We would machine each other's minds together.
	We would always...
	But he wasn't a provider.
	No, he wasn't.
	He was very successful.
	Okay.
	He was very successful.
	He had, you know, no worry about money or anything at all.
	But he never...
	Wait, so he had money, but he wasn't a provider?
	No, he wasn't.
	He was the type of person that would never go out his way to like try to like give me anything if it wasn't for like a special occasion or something like that.
	Right.
	He was like very like...
	So I could break it down for you real quick.
	One person I respect, one person didn't.
	So when he says, told you something, you respect him.
	So you listen to him and you obey pretty much.
	The other guy, no respect.
	Pretty much.
	That's it.
	Basically.
	It was a respect thing.
	Yeah.
	So she didn't respect one guy and one guy she respected.
	Have you ever thought to yourself the other guy had the capability of being a provider?
	We talked about it.
	One guy showed it, one guy just had it.
	Have you ever thought to yourself maybe he wasn't a provider because of your disobedience?
	No, because even when I was obedient and when I was reciprocating everything that he wanted, there was different...
	And how long did you do that for?
	It wasn't like a full year and a half of that.
	I was like all into our relationship, like 100%.
	And then little things started happening where I was just like, this is not my person.
	And I kind of just fell out of love over time after realizing like, I think I was trying to make him something he wasn't.
	And I thought he was someone I wasn't.
	He was like this superhero, like amazing person I put on a pedestal.
	And then really getting to know him over time, I was like, wow, this guy isn't my superhero.
	He's a great person.
	He's really smart and everything, but I'm not the love of his life.
	Well, you said you had a conversation with him about him providing.
	What did he say when you had that conversation?
	Did he explain to you why he didn't want to provide?
	Well, we dated for almost three and a half years.
	We always kept our separate houses, separate finances, separate everything.
	And I was like, why did we do this?
	We were wasting so much money.
	Why don't we have the same house?
	What was his explanation every time?
	He just said he wanted to wait until we got married, basically.
	He didn't see you as important, that's all.
	And he never proposed to you?
	No.
	You think it's really his problem then or yours?
	Well, he was cheating on me.
	I didn't ever bring that up.
	He was cheating on me and he was very abusive domestically.
	He was cheating on you the whole time?
	That's the reason, yeah.
	He basically used you, pretty much.
	Yeah.
	I was naive.
	I was young.
	Did he end up marrying another girl?
	No.
	He hasn't remarried.
	He was with a girl before me for eight years and didn't marry her.
	He's having fun right now.
	That's it.
	That's all it was.
	I think the thing here that's really important is girls tend to blame the guy for not committing or not being a provider or whatever.
	But what I've realized is girls never point the finger at themselves and be like, well, maybe something's wrong with me and he didn't want to commit to me.
	It's always they're toxic, they're abusive, they're terrible.
	But it's like I mean, we just went through this whole insecurity thing.
	Like, I find it interesting that you guys wouldn't call your employer insecure for giving you a code of conduct.
	But if your guy employed some level of boundary on the way you behave, that's considered insecure.
	Well, it's just because when you go into the relationship, like how you meet that person, how you are when you meet that person is how they should accept you.
	If you're trying to chain somebody after a month or so of dating them, that's not the person you want.
	You're just trying to make them someone they're not.
	Do you think most women are wife material in the West today?
	I don't think wife material just...
	No.
	What about you?
	I don't think husband material is the thing either.
	No.
	What about you?
	No.
	So hold on.
	So if you guys agree with me that most women are not wife material in the United States as they come, wouldn't it be fair to say that men typically have to come in, get a girl, and make her a wife?
	Same thing with a husband though.
	Most women.
	Really?
	We literally just agreed on that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	How many of you want a man that's a leader?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So how the fuck are you going to teach him how to be a man?
	I'm not.
	I'm leaving.
	And I'm finding someone that is.
	So isn't it a leader's job to lead you to be the best woman that you can be?
	Yes.
	Okay, so I think it's completely healthy and practical, especially in 2024, to come in as a man and get rid of a lot of bad habits that modern women have.
	However, it doesn't go the other way around where you can tell him what to do because he's a leader.
	You might waste your time with a woman if you don't want to.
	I guess men put women in brackets or in certain things, right?
	So what are those things that they put them in?
	After you know women for like, I don't know.
	Well, yeah.
	There's two boxes.
	Very simple.
	It's sex-only category or relationship.
	And typically when a guy meets you, he's going to put you in one of these categories, right?
	He might do it in a day.
	He might do it in a few months.
	But the point is that you're going to get put in one of these categories.
	And what I would say is that it's your job to make sure you get put in the wife category by obeying him.
	But the problem is that modern women, you know, Kind of like you guys, no offense, don't really respect male authority or masculinity in general.
	And you guys think, oh, we're equal.
	Like, I have the ability to tell a guy he's insecure for putting boundaries and standards on me.
	And like with you earlier, you literally said, hey, I have boundaries.
	Like, I don't want a guy to cheat on me.
	And that's fine, I guess.
	But whenever men implement boundaries, it's considered insecure, toxic, or some other We never came back to me.
	We said the whole insecurity on like when there's the competition and they start talking to you and making you feel belittled instead of trying to uplift you.
	Well, why are you competing with your men in an arena that you're not supposed to be competing?
	There's no competition.
	I'm just saying when you get with a woman that also is just like an entrepreneur or she has like dreams for herself.
	Yeah, but do you think...
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Do you think men care about that?
	Realistically speaking, do you think men care about your personal success?
	That's why...
	No, men are supposed to lead.
	We never got back to where, like...
	I don't know.
	I've met men that really, that's actually what they've been attracted to.
	Let me be blunt about this.
	We don't give a shit about your title, your education, or your career.
	We don't at all.
	We really don't give a fuck.
	And...
	Some guys might lie in the beginning and say, oh, that's so cool.
	But they don't care.
	Like, you can't, like, because girls love to flex their education and their status.
	And it's like, okay, that's like me.
	What if I told you I got 30 pairs of Jordans in my closet?
	What would you say to that?
	Amazing.
	Do you care?
	Come on, bro.
	You care about it, then I should care about it.
	Yeah, but do you actually?
	I don't know.
	Okay, that's how we feel about your career.
	Anyway, what were you going to say?
	Well, I was going to say, we never came back to the insecurity thing on my...
	Like, when I dated, the insecurities came from my faults.
	And that's like, we hit them, and then the topic just went.
	But I know that...
	Well, you didn't say that when I asked earlier.
	Yeah.
	We never got back to me.
	You guys said, we're thinking, and you guys couldn't come up with anything.
	No, well, she went, and then she went on her tangent on the A and B. No, because I literally asked twice.
	Give me an example of how men are insecure, and neither of you can really come with an example.
	She came with one, kind of, with the competing?
	Well, when she kind of went, that's when I was like, oh, okay.
	I was like, well, I know that because with my ex of eight years, I know that it came from the faults that I had in the relationship, and I had my indiscretion, my indiscretions, And that's where, like, the trust was broken.
	And you really can't come back from that.
	Okay, so how was he insecure then?
	You said it was your insecurities that made him insecure.
	Alright, because when you were agreeing earlier with them, you do understand that, like, when we were having a discussion before...
	It was about men being insecure.
	And you were in agreement with them that men are insecure.
	And then I said, can you guys give me an example?
	She gave a few with like talking to her man or talking to customers and the way she dresses.
	She gave men want to compete and then you couldn't give me one.
	And you're saying it was your insecurities?
	No, not my insecurities.
	I know that the insecurities came from me and from my mistakes.
	And then the mistakes that I made...
	I guess in his eyes, they were never really forgivable because he said he forgave me, but then it would end up being him taking things out on me and then him being mean and aggressive.
	That's true.
	It stems from a boundary of trust.
	So you're not in agreement with them then that men are insecure?
	I don't think all men are insecure.
	I retract.
	I think some men.
	I've been with very secure men.
	But you do see that the argument that I'm making, I don't think that's insecurity.
	Like, telling a girl how to dress, how she communicates with customers, etc.
	I look at that as nothing more than a code of conduct.
	Like, look...
	Let me kind of say this in a way that would make more sense.
	When you get with a man, you basically become the employee.
	Now, I know a lot of women don't like to hear this because you guys are all strong and independent after listening to Beyonce for the past 10 years.
	I don't like Beyonce.
	Whatever.
	Okay, wait.
	Lemonade, though.
	Hold on.
	This feminist rhetoric and mindset of the past 20 to 30 years that women have employed to kind of like substantiate their behaviors.
	Oh, yeah, like I'm strong and independent.
	I don't need a man.
	I kind of have a man, you know, because I want to.
	I think you guys forget that when you come into a relationship with a man, you're basically the employee.
	He's supposed to be the employer, assuming he's a leader like you guys want.
	So when you come in and deal with this guy, sure, you were one way when you met him, but then it's on you to change and get on his program so that you get wifed up.
	But the problem is a lot of you women think, I'm going to continue to be the same person I was when I met him, and hopefully I'll get the ring.
	And then next thing you know, two years later, he's not providing for you, or he doesn't want to commit because it's complicated, or you're in a relationship and he's getting annoyed by you, right, walking out the house.
	And I don't think women understand that you have to change when you get with a guy, right?
	If you want to move up the totem pole, say I hire you at a prestigious law firm.
	Yeah, be submissive, make sure that I was doing all that stuff too.
	Let's say I run a law firm.
	Can I finish my point?
	Let me finish my point here.
	If you want to work at a prestigious law firm and you get hired, right?
	You get hired at one point, right?
	And you want to move up the ladder.
	You want to become a partner.
	Well, more duties are going to come to you.
	More responsibilities are going to come to you.
	You need to move up the ladder through your merit, right?
	Same thing with women.
	If a guy's very attractive and high status, a lot of people are applying for his law firm.
	You have to show some level of competence and be an asset to that law firm to move up and eventually make partner.
	The problem is that most women think, I'm going to continue to do what I've done, and I should make partner, and that's just not how it works.
	That's why so many women perpetually stay single.
	Because you guys only care about what you want, but you don't necessarily care about what the man wants.
	Like, for example, with you, you've highlighted a lot of your personal careers and accolades.
	We don't give a fuck about none of that.
	It sounds bad, but it's true though.
	What if I went on a bunch of first dates with girls and I just told them how handsome I was and how much time I spent getting ready?
	They'd look at me like, what the fuck, dude?
	Some people do that.
	Yeah, but do women find these men attractive?
	So all men that you're saying that they're able to be a leader and provide?
	Do you see what I mean here when I say women use traits that men don't give a shit about to try to rationalize their behavior and why they deserve a guy versus like that's like me going on every single date and saying I spent two hours to get ready I got 30 pairs of Jordans and you know I did fashion week like I ran down the runway you'd be like the fuck okay that's good for you but how the fuck does this benefit me?
	But every conversation is not like that.
	You don't know who you're, you know, speaking to or going out with.
	I mean, as a general idea, I see what you're saying, but that's not everyone.
	No, but what I'm trying to say is in modern society, that's what women lead with is their careers and their titles and how much money they earn and their ability to be independent.
	When they're talking to men who probably make less than them or something like that, they might want to...
	Well, whose fault is that?
	That's their fault.
	They might want to boost themselves up.
	I mean, that's probably all it is.
	You were trying to say something from before?
	Yeah, you were saying, like, the woman should, if they want to move up and get the ring, obviously, they have to change certain things.
	And that still happens, too.
	I feel like there's been women in situations where they do that, and then the man still can't be the provider or leader.
	And I feel like providing in today's world, like, if you...
	Well, who picks the man?
	The woman.
	No, the man.
	The man picks the woman.
	The man misses the rib.
	The woman is the rib.
	Bitch, don't chase.
	That's where we get shit fucked up.
	Wait?
	Yeah.
	Say that again?
	The man is the one without the rib.
	The woman is the rib.
	The man is the one to search for what he's supposed to look for.
	Yeah, but if you say no, it's no.
	I can't force you.
	Hold on.
	Think about this.
	She had her man, right?
	That was not providing for three years.
	She stayed.
	She chose to stay.
	That was her choice.
	Yeah.
	I think it's both choice.
	Men and women.
	Responsibility says that you made that choice.
	To stay or leave.
	Right?
	Yes.
	So ultimately, it's your choice.
	And so, but a man too chooses to stay or not.
	Yeah, but we don't end relationships.
	It's women overwhelmingly that end relationships.
	About 80% of relationships are ended by women.
	Marriage.
	Everything.
	We make rational, irrational decisions when we're upset.
	If you notice, every guy that you chose, pretty much, that you chose, you chose a guy.
	To stay or to leave, you chose a guy.
	Good or bad.
	Didn't make a lot of money.
	Wasn't successful.
	Wasn't smart.
	You chose a guy.
	I mean, controversial take here.
	It's true.
	I think this is why arranged marriages have been a thing for so long because women suck at picking their own partners.
	It's true.
	It's better statistically, actually.
	If I had a daughter, I'd be picking her guy.
	Deadass.
	Yeah.
	Because she's not going to be that smart of the world itself.
	It's dangerous out there.
	Very dangerous, so.
	No, I mean, it's like older, like, cultures.
	That's what they do.
	Also, we understand men very well.
	So, like, if he's a piece of shit, he's pretending to be good to you right now.
	We'll see it.
	Do you have a kid?
	No.
	I have a dog.
	Ruff.
	Nice.
	Well, the other example I want to give why I came to this, well, I've had this conclusion for a while, but if you guys noticed earlier, you guys, one of your complaints was that men are bullies and rude.
	And then I asked, well, okay, what's one of the traits that these men have?
	And you guys said that they're successful, right?
	And they have money.
	And what I've realized is that Women will typically pick assholes because they're emotionally satisfying.
	They kind of get their emotions up and down.
	And that's what women are in foreign relationship.
	There's a reason why you guys read these stupid ass novels, you know, and, you know, love to imagine things in your head.
	And one way to kind of curb that is you need a man, right?
	That's rashly sound, aka your father, that has your best interests or heart to put you with a guy that he might be boring or square, but he'll probably be a good provider.
	He'll be good to you.
	He'll be boring, maybe missionary sex, but the relationship will last.
	But the problem is that when women are, you know, allowed to select their own mate, you guys typically make Mm-hmm.
	But I think dads need to take a more active role in like helping their daughters find men.
	100%.
	They do.
	And we're not saying that it's only your fault because a lot of guys that are here are not worth anything in any way.
	They're like not doing their jobs, not trying to progress any further.
	So it's tough to find a good mate nowadays.
	However, if you choose those bad people, you're going to get bad results.
	That's what it is.
	Yeah.
	True.
	So the bad boys you guys want are maybe tall, maybe looking.
	They're fun, but like long term, probably not good for you.
	I need the drugs.
	The drugs are bad too.
	Sometimes you have to experience those people that...
	Really hurt you and really break you so you can appreciate the really amazing people that come into your life.
	I disagree.
	Because now you have trauma.
	So the first guy that you met...
	But you can heal from trauma.
	You can learn from trauma.
	It's always still there though.
	It doesn't go away.
	You can heal through it.
	Like sometimes, you know, the heartbreak you felt when you were in high school.
	Like, oh my god, you broke up with me.
	You're so heartbroken.
	But you didn't realize that that guy didn't treat you good and was an asshole, but you realize you take that experience and you meet a guy that's actually sweet to you and nice to you.
	It makes you appreciate that sweet person, that nice person.
	I'd argue it makes you not appreciate him even more.
	Really?
	I feel like I've been the complete opposite.
	No, yeah.
	I think you could appreciate the man more.
	Because when you get another man to step in and show you things the other man didn't, you want to nurture him more.
	So why is the phrase, nice men finish last, a big thing?
	Why do nice guys chronically struggle to date and meet women?
	Because women are always searching that bad boy that's...
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	You take his bad ass back home.
	Yeah, that's what you guys say.
	But like, realistically speaking.
	Of my track record.
	Yeah, like you guys say that.
	Like, here's another thing, man.
	That's really...
	Okay, how do I say this?
	Fuck it, I'm just gonna say it.
	I don't treat women as equal.
	I tweeted the other day.
	It went viral.
	I said you can either understand women or you can respect them, but you can't do both.
	And the reason why I say that is I trust you guys to be women, which is act like children, not have any kind of accountability, make bad decisions, and then immediately infantilize yourself and try to get appeasement from society and feel sorry for you.
	Versus like with men, when we make our mistakes, we typically have to eat it and we got to deal with consequences with you guys.
	You can always say, oh, I didn't know I'm a victim.
	And society will feel sorry for you.
	And I look at it like, since women lack accountability in many different things, especially within relationships with men, I'm just not going to give you guys the authority in the first place.
	I'm just going to go ahead and understand you guys move a certain way and behave a certain way, so I need to be the leader and just kind of guide you through everything.
	So this is why I'm a big proponent.
	When a guy meets a girl, you kind of got to let her know what the program is up front and let her know, take it or fucking leave it.
	Because The other issue is that in modern society, I don't think a lot, like we discussed before, I don't think many women are wife material.
	A lot of you guys have bad habits.
	You talk back.
	You don't respect male authority.
	You think you're equal to your guy.
	You think you could motivate him or whatever it may be or tell him what to do.
	And with that said, I do see your perspective because a lot of guys are idiots.
	But I think for men, they need to kind of step up and understand that women are the inferior gender and we need to step up and be leaders in every way because realistically speaking, you guys are emotional, erratic, and Make a lot of bad decisions.
	And we have only ourselves to blame if we put you guys in a leadership role in the relationship and it goes to fucking shit.
	If I give children dynamite and they blow their hands off, though the children bear a little bit of responsibility for blowing their hand off, it's ultimately my fault for giving them something that blew their hand off because I know better and I'm supposed to be the leader.
	That's how I look at women.
	And I know that sounds like a very fucked up way to look at it, but I think this is the way that it's worked for Most human history where men were in leadership roles and led women in relationships.
	How do you think the men are leaders today's age?
	They're not.
	Which I understand some of your gripes.
	Thank you.
	That's why the women are overly masculine and the men are feminine as fuck.
	It's weird.
	I'm confused.
	But at the same time, why are the women trying to date these feminine...
	If you know that that's not what you're looking for, then...
	That's why I'm not dating.
	I've gone on dates.
	She said earlier, project, right?
	Or was it you?
	Someone said project.
	I think a lot of girls like that idea of making a project, which is actually very bad.
	I can change him.
	I can do this.
	Not even change him.
	He's already sick.
	I think it's also interesting because the man that you're talking about, the man that's going to lead and provide and to guide his relationship and...
	Lead them together as a couple.
	You don't see many of that type of man.
	Is it you don't see many of them?
	Or a lot of women...
	You're not choosing.
	A lot of women don't have the...
	How do I say this?
	Their wherewithal to follow that guy.
	No, because there's levels.
	Like, I've dated a few men.
	How many is a few?
	Five.
	Five, six.
	Or maybe he didn't even want to give you that opportunity because he just saw something that he didn't like.
	No, like my high school sweetheart.
	Like he always just envisioned himself just like working in a kitchen, like working.
	He never had higher goals for himself.
	So I had to leave out relationships.
	I knew that's not where I wanted to be.
	So I dated someone of a higher caliber that had higher goals for themselves.
	And I don't think...
	Is that the guy that you're in a relationship with for three years, right?
	The Mormon guy?
	Not the Mormon.
	The one that was providing for you, but he was cheating?
	Yeah, that guy.
	No, not that guy.
	The Mormon guy I was with right after.
	I was like 19 when I met him.
	So he was this way that I'm explaining.
	He told you what to do and everything.
	He was very much a leader in our relationship, but I was also very young and naive at the time.
	I wasn't ready to be...
	So you had it and you fumbled the bag, basically?
	No, he fumbled the bag.
	Oh, how'd he fumble?
	Well...
	He went through like a little midlife crisis and he went to Thailand and went there for a year and did a lot of things in Thailand.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	I love a woman who uses the term midlife crisis.
	Can you explain to me what is a midlife crisis and what they do in Thailand specifically?
	Well, he just had a midlife crisis because there were so many things happening at once.
	Like with his divorce settlement, his nephew killed himself.
	Okay.
	Well, no, he left earth.
	Yeah.
	He left Earth.
	Yeah, sorry.
	His business was going down the drain and he had like all these settlements coming in.
	He was just going through the most hardest time of his life.
	And he just needed to escape and he left and went to Thailand for a year because he was running for like the lawyers and stuff.
	And yeah, that's what he did.
	And what did you do while he was going through this?
	I was there with him when he was here in America, Vegas.
	So you didn't go to Thailand with him?
	No.
	So he went there for a year and stayed there for a year?
	He went there for a little bit longer than a year.
	We broke up right before he left.
	Oh.
	So then he went for like a year and a half or so.
	Okay, so you broke up with him when he was going through the worst time?
	No, it was just like a period of like a year and a half to two years that he was going through all this stuff.
	Were you nurturing him?
	Our relationship was like two and a half years.
	Were you nurturing him?
	Yeah, but like me being 19 years old at the time...
	So you weren't ready for the relationship?
	I just didn't know how to...
	We had four kids.
	You didn't know how to nurture.
	I love them, but his kids were molesting each other.
	One of his older kids was molesting his younger kids.
	And I have 13 siblings.
	I'm the oldest.
	I didn't want to be responsible for the things that his kids were doing around my siblings.
	Because it just kind of directly, you put yourself in a situation like that, it's going to happen.
	So I didn't really know what to do at that point.
	I was waiting for that.
	I just didn't know.
	So you left him.
	So you had that and then you left him because of these other things.
	I didn't know what to do.
	I was lost.
	And then the other guy, you said he was cheating on you.
	Yeah, but I don't think I should have stayed in that.
	I already saw all the red flags.
	I knew what was there.
	I knew what was happening, but I was running from something else.
	So that's why I stayed in that relationship so long because it was...
	It seems to me like for a lot of you guys, cheating is a non-negotiable.
	No, it wasn't a non-negotiable for me.
	You said you broke up with him because of it.
	Because of the way he did it.
	Like, I wanted us to experience and explore together, but it was the hiding.
	Like, the hiding and the manipulation.
	The lies.
	Okay, so what if you walked in and said, hey, baby, I want to fuck some other bitches.
	What would you say to that?
	Let's go do it.
	Oh, you would?
	Together.
	Together.
	No, no, no, but he would say, no, I don't want you there.
	I'm just going to do it.
	I'm like, okay, well, that's kind of weird because, like, we're in a relationship.
	Like, if you want to go do that by yourself, then go do that by yourself.
	But, like, I was always...
	So you don't care about it being open.
	You just want it to be...
	Honest.
	Involved.
	I don't want to, like...
	Okay, let's say you meet a guy now and he says, look, I want multiple women.
	What would you say?
	Now?
	Yeah.
	Like, if I was single?
	I'm not single right now.
	Yeah.
	Let's say Bumble guy.
	Tomorrow.
	Hey, I just want to let you know I want to have other women.
	What would you say?
	If that's what he's into, I'm not close-minded to it.
	I'm all for having fun and having experiences.
	Yeah, but how would you react to my question?
	Barely knowing him?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's been six months, right?
	Oh, right now.
	The guy that I'm with right now.
	If he came up tomorrow and said, yeah, I want other chicks, what would you say?
	I would say, let's go try it.
	No, but he's like, I want to do it myself.
	See, you know...
	Whenever you talk...
	You know what I hear?
	I hear me, me, me, me.
	That's all I hear.
	I don't hear what he wants.
	It's about what I want.
	You don't do that?
	Men that have multiple women is always ran low-key by one woman, though.
	Yeah.
	And it's the original.
	And then all the other girls are just like the add-ons, and they agree to it.
	So she's saying if she's going to get a man, obviously she's going to be the main one.
	So you're saying that guys that have multiple women always have a main...
	They usually do.
	The one that knows everything.
	That's true.
	The ones that are functioning and like literally they all love each other and they can live in a household and it's actually like it works for them.
	I've seen it work.
	I've seen it.
	So question, if you know and understand this.
	It's true though.
	If you know and understand this, why is a guy cheating on you?
	Because you said before that's a non-negotiable.
	For me, if there's a man that's okay with that, what is my boundary?
	Not honesty, transparency.
	Let me know that shit, what you need, what you like.
	But you leave him.
	But I'm saying if he's transparent with me and he tells me that from the beginning, okay, that's not something I'm cool with.
	So the relationship won't go anywhere.
	It would never even start.
	Okay, so do you see now why guys lie to them?
	If you're admitting that, like, I want transparency, but I will punish you for said transparency.
	There's no punishment.
	It's, hey, it's not going to work out.
	But what if you accept it?
	If they tell you at the beginning, hey, I talked to other people, you're like, okay, cool.
	Well, I'm going to keep you right here like this.
	That's just some weirdo shit because you have a headache getting with a girl that's like this, and then you cheat and do all that shit.
	So let me get this straight.
	When if you were a confident ass man, you're going to find bitches that are going to be okay with that.
	And you're going to be happy.
	But no, you want to lie and get with somebody that you know that doesn't match to the same standards and lied to a woman.
	And then you get the crazy bitch out of you.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	But you literally said, I want transparency.
	Okay.
	Gives you said transparency.
	You leave him.
	This is like dating.
	You're getting to know a person.
	We're not even together then.
	We're not together.
	This is why I say women lack logic.
	You understand that if you want something and you disincentivize that something by giving them a negative reinforcement, they're not going to give you that something.
	It shouldn't be.
	Be negative when you're just getting to know somebody.
	You just tell them what you like, what you want, what your dreams, how your life, you think, and you do the same thing when you're meeting somebody.
	Are you...
	I don't get it.
	Okay, okay.
	So I get what she's saying, but the problem is that like...
	I'm not looking for any man either or whatever.
	Okay, you don't want that, right?
	You don't want multiple girls, but the problem is if he knows that you're going to leave, why would he tell you the truth?
	You.
	I'm saying when you're just getting to know somebody, why would you lie in the beginning anyways?
	It just doesn't make sense.
	Because he doesn't want you to leave.
	You lie in the beginning.
	You put makeup on.
	Like, yo, look.
	Okay, here's the thing.
	Look, look.
	See, if we're going to talk about lying, let's get one thing fucking out here.
	Women are by far way more deceptive than men are.
	You guys wear heels.
	Tops to show your boobs in a certain way.
	Wigs.
	You guys wear wigs, makeup, eyeliner, all this shit.
	Like, I would argue women are far more deceptive than men are when it comes to the things that make them attractive, right?
	Like, as a guy, we typically have to have skin in the game.
	We gotta pay for the first day, invite you, everything else like that.
	In general, a lot of the things that you see about us are fairly congruent to some degree.
	With you guys, everything about you guys, feminine mystique and deception.
	So, if you guys want honesty and transparency, I would argue men are far more transparent than women in a multitude of different things, way more than you guys are.
	Like, you know, women don't want you to know their body count.
	We don't know when you guys are in heat.
	We don't know if you've got makeup on or not.
	You guys wear wigs.
	You guys wear heels.
	All these things that, you know, deceive men, but that's considered okay in society.
	But if men don't want to disclose, hey, look, I maybe want to have other women because I'm going to get a negative consequence of saying that, you guys look at that as that's deceptive.
	I think it also depends on the age of the women that are dating because I feel like women that are young, like in their mid-20s, you know, it's harder for men to be honest and open with you guys.
	Okay, let me ask you this then.
	Seems like a lot of you guys have high standards, right, with men.
	Would that be fair?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Right, because you guys want a guy that's a leader and a provider.
	Yeah?
	I mean, I've dated people that aren't providers.
	Yeah, but they're not here.
	It doesn't matter if you date them, you're not with them anymore.
	You want a guy that's a leader, for sure.
	Yeah, so yeah, you've dated with these guys, but you're not with them, so that proves my point, that you want a leader or provider, right?
	So, would it be fair to say that's hard to find?
	I'm sorry?
	Would it be fair to say that finding a leader and a provider and a guy that exhibits these traditional masculine qualities is hard to find in 2024?
	Yes, yes.
	They're out there.
	It depends on where you are.
	Is Mr. Complicated one of these guys?
	So why is it complicated?
	They're building and growing.
	So does Mr. Complicated fulfill all your requirements?
	Mm-hmm.
	So if he fulfills all your requirements, I mean, this is what I kind of assumed earlier, is that he just doesn't want to commit.
	That's not true.
	Then what makes it complicated?
	If he meets all your requirements and you like him, but you're saying that it's not that he doesn't want to commit, then what actually makes it complicated?
	There's other things too.
	I mean, as far as I don't mind distance and stuff like that, but there is like a I guess not longevity, but it's just the time we need to be perfect.
	Are you worried?
	Of course.
	I'm a parent.
	I'm still confused.
	You're saying that he meets your higher requirements, but it's complicated.
	Is it because of your kid?
	Is he still dating somebody else?
	So you're nervous about bringing him around everything so soon?
	It's about merging everything together.
	We've talked about it, stuff like that.
	It's bringing everything together.
	Like I said, I don't introduce my kids to people just off the bat.
	I can date someone for two months, and if I don't feel like there's something there, guess what?
	Then no.
	And that's not the case here.
	It's just everything all together needs to be set for me.
	Remember, he asked you, does he meet all your requirements, including being with your kid?
	So he doesn't meet that yet.
	It's still like a process for me because it's like, like I said, I'm a single parent.
	You don't just want to change your kids.
	And that means moving, that means merging households, stuff like that.
	And when you're coming from a, you know...
	And how long have you been together?
	We're talking.
	A year?
	Mm-hmm.
	That's perfect because I always say I'm going to wait a year.
	You sure it's a year?
	Mm-hmm.
	So let me ask you all this.
	So it seems like you guys all have fairly high standards and It's hard to find a guy that has these things.
	Knowing that this guy is rare, would you guys accept that he might cheat on you from time to time?
	Would I accept it, honestly?
	Yeah, would you accept it?
	Honestly, yeah.
	You would accept it?
	I feel like all men cheat.
	What about you?
	Would you accept it?
	I think, yeah, because people make mistakes.
	It's not a mistake.
	It's not a mistake.
	You intentionally wanted to fuck somebody else.
	I know, but I mean, also, shit happens.
	I've been the one to make the mistake, you know?
	I mean, was I fully there?
	I mean, yeah, but I made the mistake and we did try to ride it out.
	Did it work?
	No, because ultimately I'm the one that broke the trust.
	So, I mean, it's Yeah, I guess.
	I mean, honestly speaking, I think if a woman cheats, it's a way bigger problem than when the man cheats.
	I don't think women deserve second chances with infidelity whatsoever.
	I think men do, but women don't.
	Men, it's not emotional.
	Okay, what about you?
	Would you accept infidelity from your guy since you have these high standards?
	You want to provide her and older?
	You would accept it?
	Yes.
	Even if you're not involved?
	Even if I'm not involved.
	Okay, so your prerequisite is he tells you up front.
	I just need to know up front what I'm expecting from this person.
	But realistically speaking, knowing that Muslims punish men for telling the truth about this, wouldn't it be fair to say that he probably won't tell you and then you might catch him cheating and then if you do catch him cheating you guys have that conversation?
	So it's the cheating.
	If you want to be with other people, communicate.
	You need something.
	You're looking for something.
	I just don't want you fucking all these people raw and bringing something back to me.
	Be safe.
	Be proactive about what you're doing.
	Don't put me in a situation where my health is in danger because you weren't thinking about me.
	I know that I can't fulfill every single need from you, from any person.
	Not one single person can fulfill every need you have.
	So I know that whether it's mental or physical, there's going to be other people in his life that are going to fulfill the needs that I can't.
	I just want us to be able to be open about our desires and our wants and needs.
	Well, knowing now that you have high standards, and most guys aren't going to be honest about this when they first meet you, are you more willing now to have that conversation like, look, bringing this up in the beginning, I'm okay with you having other women, but you need to practice safety.
	Or would you not even bring that up?
	You want him to bring it up?
	I don't mind talking.
	I talk about everything.
	But also, I think it's important for him to realize that I have needs too.
	So if you're not meeting my needs, then I'm going to have to...
	Again, you know what I hear?
	Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
	Again, what is he on?
	Do you even care?
	Him, him, him.
	No.
	He can do what he wants to do.
	You're getting what you want.
	He can get what he wants.
	He is getting what he wants.
	How do you know?
	He just brought up a scenario that he's going out and cheating on me.
	Yeah, but okay.
	He's out with other people.
	Do you think one woman can sexually satisfy a man?
	No.
	You guys think, realistically speaking, yes or no?
	I hope, but honestly, I don't know.
	The answer's no.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Now let's switch it around.
	Can one man sexually satisfy a woman emotionally and sexually?
	No.
	Yes.
	Can we have dildos and vibrators?
	No.
	Assuming your girl's not a whore, can one man sexually satisfy a woman emotionally and everything?
	I would argue, if anything, she probably wants to be sexually satisfied by one guy.
	So she doesn't have to sleep around, right?
	So that's the difference.
	Because you said, hey, well, if he's going to get his needs met, I need my needs met.
	And my argument to that is, no, you don't.
	You're not going anywhere because one guy is enough for a woman.
	I know that from their biology.
	Women aren't designed to run around and get their needs met by other men.
	That's only in the past 60, 70 years we've made that acceptable.
	But, you know, typically that's Considered you're a whore if you do that.
	Versus as a man, you're a whore maker.
	But needs aren't just physical.
	I would argue if you're getting your emotional needs met by another man, that's terrible too.
	But it's not saying it's another man though.
	I want to be honest, women shouldn't even really be dressing provocatively out in public without their man there.
	I don't think y'all should have an Instagram where you're showing your body off.
	I don't think you guys should be talking to other men.
	I don't think you guys should be having male friends.
	I think if feasible, you quit your job, right?
	Because I don't think it's appropriate for a man to be able to dictate to my girlfriend where she has to be and what times at a job.
	I think as a woman, it is your job to do absolutely everything in your power to remove all male contact.
	And the reason why is because you guys don't actually initiate the mating process.
	We do.
	So, since you guys don't initiate the mating process, you guys need to...
	Destroy anything that could initiate that process and that's your responsibility.
	Because I think a woman's job is to be loyal and not be a slut.
	My job is to provide and protect for you.
	If I fuck some other bitches on the side, that's not really as bad.
	I would argue if we had a scenario where we're outside and someone attacks you and I don't physically stand up and protect you, that is the worst act of betrayal versus me having sex with another woman.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes.
	Because it's my duty to protect you.
	That's literally what we're here for.
	Versus it's your job to not be a whore.
	Let's be honest here.
	Women's only real commodity, let's be very painfully honest here, is your sexuality.
	You guys provide very little to no value to men outside of sex.
	No value to very little.
	Yeah.
	So why are you guys asking for emotional help?
	Like, you're just saying if you're not meeting these needs emotionally, if there's no value besides sex, then...
	Well, the sex is tied to that.
	Well, hold on.
	The sex is tied to that.
	But what I'm trying to say is that the main reason men talk to and flirt and deal with women is for access to their sexuality.
	Versus with you guys, you guys can get a bunch of benefits from us.
	That's why...
	Do any of you guys have guys in the friend zone?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Ask yourself, why do you have guys in a friend zone?
	Yeah, so they provide maybe some masculine energy that's good.
	Security.
	They provide a little bit of security, maybe give you boyfriend energy.
	Basically, you guys are able to reap all the benefits of being with a man without giving up what?
	Your primary agency, which is what?
	Sexuality, right?
	Now, let me ask you, what does he get in return for being friends with you?
	Fucking nothing.
	I'm still friends with you, right?
	No, still good energy and whatever I can do to tell my homie how to be a better person too.
	That's how it is, but...
	He can get that from a man.
	Men are waiting.
	Whether they're your best friends or not, they're always going to be waiting to get that one chance.
	I know this sounds very terrible, but I'm being very honest here.
	A woman's main commodity and agency is her sexuality.
	This is why the makeup industry is a billion-dollar industry.
	This is why plastic surgery is huge.
	This is why women have a strong incentive to keep themselves looking good.
	Right?
	Because...
	I know plenty of girls that are 19-year-old idiots that are with multi-millionaires on yachts hanging out.
	But I don't know no fucking guys that are 18-year-old idiots on yachts that women are paying for.
	So, a woman's main commodities are youth and are beauty.
	I know women that be paying for...
	How many?
	A thousand.
	Like...
	You might not have clients.
	Like, there's women that...
	There's the same.
	Men that...
	Are they hot, though?
	Huh?
	They're probably old and ugly, right?
	They're older.
	There's your point.
	That's my point.
	Grandma.
	And it's infrequent and rare.
	Yeah, and usually the men that do that shit are usually, like, freaking certain way, too.
	So...
	It's a small...
	That makes no sense.
	Look, the point I'm trying to make is this.
	When men hang out with women, we provide far more utility than just sexuality.
	And this is proven because women typically have male friends.
	But on the other hand, women don't really provide men much utility outside of sex, so they're stupid for being just friends.
	Right?
	So, with that said, since your main utility is sexuality, as your partner, it would be in your best interest as my girlfriend to ensure that that sexuality stays only to me.
	Because I think you guys would feel some type of way that if I was out with some chick, Right?
	And her bag got stolen.
	And I got in a fist fight to defend her.
	I break my fucking arm and now I can't work.
	So I went ahead and put my life on the line for a random bitch.
	Now my arm is broke.
	I can't make money and provide for you.
	That's betrayal.
	From a male perspective.
	Same thing.
	You go fuck another guy.
	That's treason.
	That's the worst thing you can do as a female.
	Because I think we kind of have this thing where male and female loyalty is the same, and I would argue it's not at all.
	Well, yeah.
	Cheating is just sorcery.
	It's stupid.
	But I get it.
	The guys is like, it's just they think with their dick.
	And women, it's more emotional, tight, and stuff like that.
	Yeah, it's like, you know, why does someone who commits premeditated murder, why do they get life for the electric chair?
	Because they thought it out.
	Yeah, for us plan it out.
	Yeah, guys, it just happens like, oh, she pretty.
	Versus an idiot drinks and drives and hits someone accidentally, he gets 20 years.
	The reason why is because the premeditation shows the state of mind.
	And that's why I say like with women, it's literally, it's first degree murder with a guy.
	It's like manslaughter.
	Mm-hmm.
	That's a good way to put it.
	We got some chats here, actually.
	All right, cool.
	And ladies, think of questions for us.
	We're dating.
	If you have any questions at all, we can answer those questions.
	Real quick, we got...
	By the way, thank you, Angie, in the back for these superchats.
	Oh, she's screenshotting something?
	Yeah.
	Shout out to Angie.
	Ladies, don't get mad at expression fit.
	They call it how it is.
	Nothing personal.
	By the way, the black girl with yellow wig, why don't you wear your hair?
	I do.
	HK. What's HK? That's his name.
	He's asking why don't you wear your natural hair.
	I do.
	This is not on today.
	Cool.
	Can two times.
	That's kind of a compliment.
	Anytime someone says that, they're like, hey, you're not only wearing your natural hair.
	Whatever.
	Question, ladies.
	If there was a feminine class or school that taught women how to be feminine, friendly, and modest, taught you how to cook, clean, and ultimately how to treat a man, would y'all take it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	You need it.
	You too.
	Alright.
	Get some help.
	I'm going off of certain experiences, but I was being the wife, making sure I would go and do all that stuff, come home, and still make sure...
	For the wrong man.
	Exactly.
	So you're trying to tell me you needed that class to learn that shit.
	I would still want to go and learn because, yeah, I want to be the most feminine in my energy.
	Yeah, of course.
	I think every woman should want to.
	Which means you have to have a guy that leads and you need to be submissive in order to be in your feminine energy.
	Yeah.
	But what she's kind of overlooking is that...
	You're saying, yo, you need the class.
	We all need the fucking class.
	No, they asked if we would take the class.
	No, I'm going off of his comment, what he said earlier.
	It's optional.
	I'm just trying to be funny.
	Yeah, you're just being extra.
	Yeah, I have a thing with Chinese.
	Chinese.
	Well, Asians.
	Zero Cool says, holy shit, the lighting is so good on this set, I can finally see what fresh looks like.
	Fuck you, nigga.
	What do you say?
	No!
	Holy shit!
	Holy shit!
	These girls are on a different planet.
	They're cooks.
	Yeah, brother.
	We're all cooks here.
	I always argue that these girls are actually super receptive.
	They're cool.
	Unlike the stupid Miami chicks.
	Yeah.
	Ryan Smith.
	Fresh soul black, he look like a tar monster from Scooby-Doo.
	See, they talk shit about us too, guys.
	Nigga, who are you, bro?
	You think Miami's worse than Vegas than the women?
	I wouldn't say worse.
	They picked a really good group of women.
	Shout out to Shay and actually the guys that, just so I get it correctly here, Post Game Profits and Bull Content Studio for bringing this together with the girls.
	So, shout out everyone here.
	Yes, shout out KK Diamonds, period.
	Love her.
	I don't know who that is.
	Let's move forward.
	She's part of this whole thing.
	Oh, she is?
	Create chaos.
	A doctor did research proving that the child's DNA stays in a mother for at least 20 years after birth, which means you're contaminated by foreign DNA after you have another man's baby in you.
	Okay, that is...
	I didn't know that.
	That's where they already talked about used cars, new cars, and all that, so...
	Yeah, yeah.
	The car stuff, right?
	I was biting you, right?
	Yeah.
	Just Crew Meek says, same software, different hardware.
	That's a hidden message there.
	there.
	Yeah, I see what you mean.
	HKN says, WFNF for making it happen.
	Yes, we made it happen.
	Demetrius routes Florida.
	That's crazy, Myron.
	You made the Drake Top 50 Opolis and Niggas have the nerve to say FNF fell off.
	Have you heard about the Drake Opolis?
	He made a list of all his enemies, and they showed it on 50 Cent's There's a bunch.
	It's like Playboy Cardi, Myron Cainz, Kendrick Lamar.
	It's because I made a tweet.
	I said, I think you guys complained earlier, right?
	That men aren't men anymore.
	Yeah.
	Which I actually agree with you guys.
	That's why I do have some level of sensitivity to your guys' gripes with men.
	Because I understand with your perspective on women because you're in that realm of like, but there's not a lot of like Men like that.
	No, no.
	I'm absolutely sensitive to it.
	So here's the thing.
	I don't know if you guys probably didn't watch our show because it's a male podcast.
	We do a daytime show.
	We actually teach guys how to become more attractive to kind of combat some of these problems.
	So by day, I talk to men and tell them, stop being a fucking loser and fat.
	And then by night, I'm telling the women, stop being a dumb hoe.
	You know what I mean?
	Save yourself for the right guy.
	So I'm kind of doing both.
	But the thing that tends to go viral a lot of times is when I talk to the women because women are rarely told the truth.
	But intersexual dynamics versus men are every day.
	So, um...
	And men listen, women don't.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's actually, yeah.
	Wow!
	Yeah, it's actually very true.
	That's why it's so entertaining when I tell women this shit, because they don't listen.
	I like that.
	See?
	Men want to, like, grow and learn, and women, we want to kind of, but once you make it seem like you're belittling me, now I got to put on some, like, big boy pants and be like, no.
	Listen up.
	And to bring everything full circle, why I said that, that I'm sensitive to your issues, is directly from the criticism I gave Drake.
	I basically said, since, like, 2007, when he got on the scene, He's been kind of pushing this air of being soft and in your feelings and being extremely sensitive and emotionally erratic, which obviously are feminine tendencies.
	And then obviously a bunch of things come after that.
	So though he's not the only proponent of this, I think he's a major one, especially since he's been dominating hip-hop the past 20 years, where he's made men significantly more sensitive.
	I think the feminization of men began in the 60s and it's just been a progressive movement.
	Downward trajectory, but I would say that within the last 20 years, Drake has absolutely been huge in the urban community for pushing this propaganda.
	I think that's basically what the tweet I made.
	We got millions of views and people got pissed off.
	Drake is number one.
	He's a GOAT. Yeah, he loves Drake.
	Drake is a guy.
	Now with that said, I also will say that he's going to go down in history.
	He's one of the best musicians of all time.
	His cultural impact versus his musical talent are two different things.
	I have the ability to distinguish, but I do think that from a cultural perspective, he's been extremely damaging.
	Listen to all the real niggas, we can relate to Drake.
	Shall you, Drake?
	Ladies, let's see your man had...
	Just kidding.
	I've seen that.
	Have you seen him?
	You're not funny.
	The guy goes beta, Jesse, whatever.
	That's so funny.
	You want to play the violin?
	Yeah, I'll play right now.
	Ladies, let's say your man had 19k in debt but owned a Rolex and refused to sell it.
	Would you leave him?
	Anyhow, what the fuck is that name, nigga?
	Holy, your parents must hate her.
	Her parents must hate her.
	What name?
	You didn't say my name, bro.
	But okay, cool.
	That's fresh updates.
	Yeah, because you're stupid.
	You're in debt, but you have Rolex and you don't want to get out of debt for what?
	I agree.
	That was somebody that called me to the show.
	That's why you have jewelry, I feel like, too.
	You know?
	That's your assets.
	See, she knows.
	But he didn't know.
	The reason why, a guy called into our show, and he had, like, 20K in debt.
	And, you know, he had been balling before, but I guess his business was doing as well.
	And he had a Rolex.
	And we told him, look, bro, you got that Rolex.
	Like, you need to pay that debt off and, like, get a job immediately.
	And then get your money back and go get another Rolex.
	Because we have a call-in show where people can ask for help.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, call and ask questions.
	And he actually put him in touch with one of our watch guys that said, hey, I'll buy it back from him for 20K. Dude, never fucking contact me.
	It went viral.
	See, we add value to guys when need be, but he didn't want to take it.
	Dude's an idiot, man.
	Dude's like that is what you can't be with.
	See, and he had money, though, at one point, and he wasn't a high-value man.
	Obviously, the way just his critical thinking.
	He blew it.
	I don't know what he was doing, but he basically blew it.
	I think he was scamming, to be honest with you.
	Or the watch might not be real.
	Who knows?
	Create Chaos says, Ladies, would you rather focus on your career Then try to have a family or focus on a family then have a career?
	I guess we could start here.
	Would you rather focus on your career then have a family or put family first then a career?
	If you're able to focus on your career first and you don't have children or a partner, you're just completely single, not dating anything, you don't really have a choice but to focus on your career.
	Now, if you're with someone and you guys are stable and it's like the right person and things like that, then, you know, and he has his career, then that gives you the opportunity to focus on your family and do stuff like that.
	So what do you choose?
	What I choose prior or what I already did?
	I feel like going to do the normal things first until you find your partner.
	So choose your career until you find your partner.
	Then you can stop doing what you're doing.
	Like you were saying, you can stop working at that point after you meet a partner.
	You're not just going to stop doing everything and just sit there and do nothing.
	Okay.
	You guys still take that time to better yourself.
	What about you?
	For me, I have three kids.
	So, I mean, obviously, I have to put my kids first.
	I have two sisters that are 19 and 20, and I tell them to focus on their career and then establish yourself before starting a family or before picking a man that you decide.
	And even if you do pick a man that has a good career, like right now my sister's dating somebody that just enlisted in the Army, Great.
	His relationships never work.
	She bought a cheap.
	He's cooked.
	And she just moved out with him.
	And I'm like, you know what?
	I get it.
	She wants that free insurance, man.
	She'll live in the barracks.
	We haven't got them yet.
	So, knock on wood.
	But, you know, I just told her, I was like, look, I was like, just don't plan on having kids.
	Just don't make the same mistakes that I made in not protecting yourself.
	She's like, the first thing I did was I got on birth control, like, before he even came back.
	And I'm like, okay, like, you know.
	How many baby daddies do you have?
	I have two.
	So, I had my oldest when I was 18 turning 19. And then...
	That dad wasn't the best person to choose.
	But then I met my ex, who I was with for a long time, for eight years.
	He's been stepdad to my son since he was four.
	And we got engaged and pregnant within four months.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and then we were together for almost eight years.
	Where's that guy?
	He's the one I cheated on.
	No good deed goes unpunished, man.
	Well, see, hold on, hold on.
	He bought a used car.
	Well, see, the thing was that technically...
	Okay, so let me ask you this.
	He moved out and started using heroin and relapse.
	He moved out of the house and I slept with somebody when he was moved out.
	So is that me cheating?
	Is it cheating?
	Were you guys broken up?
	We were broken up.
	Oh.
	But he said that I cheated.
	And then his feelings are hurt now.
	And then we tried to fix it, but then he said that I... Hold on, let me get the timeline here.
	So...
	This guy comes in, raises your child for four years old.
	You guys have a kid together as well?
	Yes.
	How long were you guys together until he left?
	He moved out when Fallon was like nine months.
	Okay, so less than a year later.
	Yeah.
	He basically leaves.
	Leaves, relapses.
	When he left, did he say, fuck you, bitch, I'm out?
	He moved out, got a whole other place, but then kept coming.
	He wouldn't tell me that he relapsed because that was the one thing I told him.
	My oldest son's dad, he chose heroin over us.
	And I told him that that was one thing that I will not, like, I can't put up with that.
	I can't deal with that heartbreak again.
	Do not, like, because he was a previous heroin user.
	So were you guys broken up when you left the house?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't, I mean, though it is fucked up in an act of betrayal, I wouldn't say formally it's cheating if he abandoned the family to go do drugs.
	That's what I said.
	But he said that I cheated.
	But I'd like to hear his side too.
	Wait, he was an ex-heroin addict?
	Yeah.
	And you chose him as your baby daddy?
	Well, I'm an ex-heroin addict also.
	Y'all met an AA or some shit?
	No.
	So we were both sober at the time.
	I've been sober from heroin for 13 years.
	See, when you buy a used car...
	It does break down sometimes.
	Trust me, I did it one time too.
	I know.
	Yeah, that's tough.
	So for me, you know, he moved out, but when we tried to fix things, I was just like, okay, I'm a cheater.
	I held the adulterer fucking badge, you know, and then, yeah.
	Hold on.
	Was it good at least?
	What?
	Was it good?
	I mean, that adds a whole element to the situation.
	Yeah, drugs are terrible.
	Drugs are bad.
	Yeah, they're really bad.
	So, yeah.
	Drugs are bad, kids.
	Mr. Mackey.
	Okay.
	We have another one from Fresh Up.
	No, this is one from Create Chaos.
	Let me get that one already.
	Jovan Bajani says, Hey Fresh, you're probably super busy, but networking.
	Okay.
	Oh, here we go.
	Hey Fresh, you're probably super busy, but I sent you a DM on Discord.
	In regards to your assistance in networking, I'm a CC Premium as well.
	My username is Jovan.
	I got you, bro.
	Look at that.
	After this show.
	Hey guys, by the way, join the email list.
	Link below.
	Get in there.
	And we're going to do a zone call for you guys this weekend?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll get something for you because we've been in Vegas.
	Cool.
	Just one more here, I believe.
	We have Tyler Durden says, What up, Myron Fresh?
	Are you guys going to collab with The Saint while you're in Vegas?
	Side note, the chick in the black is one of the hottest black chicks you've had on FNF. Her body's mid, though.
	Myron, you gotta disable or dabble in the dark tonight.
	LOL. She said that you're really hot.
	Yeah, they're giving you a comment.
	You want to say it back to them?
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	You like chocolate?
	What's your type?
	She's complicated.
	I like chocolate.
	I like fruits.
	I like all types of things.
	Oh, you're funny.
	Alright, cool.
	Last one.
	Last one.
	Jacob says, if you punish the truth...
	Wait, hold on.
	If you punish the truth, you're asking to be lied to.
	If you punish the truth, you're asking to be lied to.
	Basically what we were talking about before.
	She's saying, I want transparency.
	Tell me you want other women, but they get punished for doing that.
	By the way, I was saying Che is Ki, actually.
	Ki is the guy that helped us with the show.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	So, ladies, let's do this.
	Questions for us on the panel?
	Why things don't work out?
	Why do you guys ghosting you?
	And that's Frank over there.
	It's cold as hell here in Vegas, guys.
	So, I went and Andrew got him a sweater.
	It's so cute.
	Got the Cosby sweater.
	Okay.
	What do you think is the length of a relationship until a guy proposes?
	Good question.
	So I think for most people, they're going to say maybe two to three years, something like that.
	But I think if a guy knows that you're the one and he's actually interested in you becoming important in his life, it's going to be pretty soon.
	So I won't say like two years, three years.
	Let me be like, as long as it takes for him to understand that you're the one, which means it could be six months, could be a year, could be less, could even be longer.
	But again, the time is important is you being the person that he needs you to be.
	That's important, I think.
	My range is a little wide.
	I go somewhere between one to five years.
	Can be, you know, the situation.
	Because the reason why I have such a wide variance is because guys that are more religious will tend to probably propose earlier on, right?
	Versus guys that are more secular might wait and be a little bit more reserved.
	So that's why I give that wide variance.
	But I do think that getting with a guy that is religious is a good move, especially if you're a religious woman.
	Because, you know, someone that's secular a lot of times isn't going to be as beholden to their beliefs unless, like, they're really on point with a lot of other things in life.
	But religious men tend to be more, being God-fearing and, you know, believing in your conviction makes you, you know, more likely to adhere to traditional masculine traits, right?
	Like, if someone's a devout Christian, he's going to understand that, you know, he needs to be the provider-protector, right?
	Or someone that's Muslim or even Jewish.
	Like, you're going to, if they're Orthodox, whatever, they're going to, well, they won't marry you, actually, never mind.
	They're Jewish.
	But you guys get the point.
	No, because they got to get with Jews.
	Yeah, they got to get, yeah.
	Yeah, for them, but...
	But if they have some semblance of...
	Even Muslim, too.
	Like, culture.
	Like, they're very...
	They are.
	They are.
	But, like, a lot of times...
	Because technically it's forbidden to force your wife to convert.
	But...
	Typically, can you find a guy that's, like, secular that will be, like, great?
	Of course.
	But what I've noticed is, like, if a guy's religious, he'll be more likely to propose earlier.
	Like, Mr. Mormon guy.
	Right?
	Did it make sense, though?
	Because you can tell when a guy's into you or not, right?
	When you're, like, a priority.
	For example, he's making things work, providing for you, making it happen.
	You're going to know when he's actually going to be, like, serious with you at that point.
	You'll know.
	Solution, man.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Any other questions?
	Yeah, anything y'all got for us?
	Obviously, we got some controversial takes.
	So if you guys, you know, nothing's off.
	We'll tell you the real.
	We won't lie to you.
	Well, I might.
	What's the longest relationship you guys have both been in?
	For me right now with my girl Angie, she's there in the back.
	It's going on almost two years now.
	Two years.
	What about you?
	Five years.
	Me and my dog.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Not like that.
	That's my son.
	But no, probably like one year.
	This guy, man.
	Did you guys know within those one to two years that they were the one or not the one?
	Well, I was having fun.
	Honestly, I'm a real bastard.
	With us, we talk about marriage.
	I mean, that's a whole other conversation.
	Here's the thing.
	We kind of talked about this with Ryan yesterday, but just to summarize, our view on marriage is that it's a great institution.
	I think with children, it needs to be there.
	However, we don't like the way marriage is done in 2024 in modern society where the state is involved and it incentivizes women to divorce you and take your resources.
	So if people can find a way to get married without the state involved, I'm all for it.
	Especially if you have kids.
	As a matter of fact, I think it's a non-negotiable.
	If you're going to have kids, you need to be married.
	I don't think having children out of wedlock is the way to move.
	It leads to a lot of societal problems.
	If you look at a lot of the issues with criminals and degeneracy, almost all of them come from single mother households.
	And a big part of that is because the children are born out of wedlock.
	So I think if you're going to have kids, you need that nuclear family.
	And that's why I think, because I feel like this whole conversation, what men look for, what women look for, it's all based off sex.
	I'm like, that's why I'm like, this is sorcery.
	I'm over it.
	Like, I think if people really were like celibacy before ceremony type shit and like really stuck to doctors.
	Wait, are you bad in bed?
	Huh?
	Are you bad in bed?
	I'm terrible.
	Makes sense.
	Yeah.
	The reason why...
	But you know what I mean?
	So that's all...
	The society is based shit off.
	That's where they're holding their values to.
	And always just...
	Our body is our temple.
	But I think that's also in response to women being over-sexualized today.
	So I see what you're saying.
	We should be promoting self-esteem or whatever.
	But the problem is that...
	Men practicing celibacy actually hurts them, right?
	And I'll explain what I mean by this.
	So, the average girl, by the time she's like 22 years old, especially if she's college educated, she probably knows her way around men pretty well.
	She's been getting hit on since she was 10. Getting flirted with in high school, middle school, college, etc.
	So she's probably, by the time she's 22 years old, has interacted with 10,000 plus men, right?
	Like, of course, she's not going to deal with all of them.
	Like, I'm saying, like, 10,000 men have probably made a pass on her.
	Oh, you're cute.
	Oh, I'd like to take you out sometime.
	Oh, you know, you're at a club and some guy approaches you.
	Like, easily 10,000, right, interactions.
	So women become very good at figuring out which guys are attractive, which guys aren't, and being able to quickly decipher them, right?
	So in other words, Women get more experience with opposite gender.
	And then obviously getting more exposure to opposite gender is going to lead inevitably to some sexual encounters.
	And these men, a lot of times, don't get a fraction of those encounters with women.
	So they get even less of those sexual encounters.
	And they're socially awkward, yeah.
	And they're socially awkward, too.
	And who are they?
	School shooters?
	Keeping it beat.
	That's a part of it, yeah.
	I was talking about a certain situation, how certain men are kind of like weird, weird.
	And I'm going to get to that right now.
	And I'm like, that's like mental health.
	So the reason why, right?
	So like, and then there's a bunch of reasons for why we have this, right?
	Feminism promotes, you know, women being out there and exploring their options.
	Technology has made men more reclusive and sitting inside, they're less likely.
	You mentioned earlier that intelligent men, you're more likely to find them on dating apps.
	I actually agree with that 100%.
	They're not necessarily going to be out in a nightclub or a bar being super social.
	They're too busy working.
	Yeah, on that as well.
	So with all of that said, right, because you said, hey, the celibacy and stuff, the lack of celibacy, right, from both genders is kind of a manifestation of feminism and what we've done where we've over-sexualized women.
	And to deal with that, a lot of guys have to almost, to figure this shit out, they have to get sexual experience because if a guy's a virgin or not sexual experience and he gets with a girl that is sexual experience, it winds up happening.
	That girl runs circles around him.
	He's simping.
	He doesn't know how to be a man because she's leveraging sex against him.
	He's a sucker.
	So they get finessed.
	So for guys, though, I do think that it's a beautiful thing if both parties can be virgins when they marry.
	It's just not realistic and practical because women are more promiscuous now than ever before.
	So if anything, guys got to catch up.
	Also, a special mention, we got to shout out Origin Podcast for having us here.
	Shout out to him for supporting us.
	He's here in the back.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	Okay.
	Did it make sense?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Anything else?
	Thank you.
	Thank you, guys.
	It was a good show.
	Shorter than usual because we only had four panelists, but it was a good discussion.
	They were a cool understanding.
	They took it in.
	And we hope to wish you the best of your relationships.
	I would say they're the best girls that we've talked to in Vegas compared to the other fucking plastic idiots.
	They're not bimbos.
	Well, you're cooked, but the rest of you...
	No, I'm just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Remember, we were talking about that.
	See?
	No, no, no.
	You need some help.
	But no, no.
	It was a good show.
	Before we close out, any last thoughts on the show?
	Hate it, love it.
	Anything you want to say before we close out?
	I've actually seen the show before.
	I've watched him.
	Oh, you did watch us?
	Okay, give us your real thoughts about us, though, before you came in here.
	Keep it real.
	Actually, yeah, you can keep it real.
	What'd you think?
	Because I'm sure you probably saw clips.
	Fuck these niggas, man.
	Tell them.
	You keep it real.
	Before, like, when I see the clips, and when I see your guys' clips, it's always, like, the worst part of the clip.
	Like, the worst thing.
	We're racist, massagists, we hate women, right?
	That's what they say.
	All I see is, yo hoes are...
	I'm like, damn, hold on.
	Let me fast forward this really quick to make sure this is the right podcast for me.
	But, I mean, like, hearing certain points of views, it makes sense.
	There's a couple of things that, like, that didn't make sense.
	Like, okay...
	What was it?
	Oh, yeah, you can't have, like, guy friends.
	If you're in a relationship and stuff like that, guy friends, that's, like, kind of pushing it.
	Well, I don't feel like all guy friends want something.
	I've had friends that, like, literally that conversation had never happened.
	It's mainly been off of, like, certain things like, oh, my girlfriend's coming.
	Like, just so she's not by herself and stuff, can you come so you guys can chill together while we, you know, everyone else is, like, chilling and doing stuff like that.
	So, I mean, other than that, but being here in person, actually hearing you guys, it made a lot more sense than the clips of y'all cussing us women out and...
	Don't do this for real.
	To your example, I do think that there's a sliver of a potential where a guy can be friends with a woman.
	But I'm saying in 99% of cases, it's just not that way.
	The only time I've ever seen a woman be friends with a man and it actually works out is when there's heavy consequences for either party engaging in sexual activity.
	I'll give you an example.
	Let's say I have a girlfriend and her best friend are like really close and I'm like an associate with her.
	Well, we probably wouldn't hook up at least because it would fuck shit up or work or something like that.
	So I've seen if there's like serious consequences, then it forces both parties to stay friends and incentivize them.
	But most of the time, let's be honest, the dude wants to smash.
	You just can't do it.
	Or she's ugly.
	Or that, which is actually rare too.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, I mean, it could exist, but I would argue most of the time the dude wants to smash.
	Maybe they get drunk though, maybe.
	They're drunk.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah.
	I liked it.
	I feel like...
	You were very understanding.
	I feel like you've...
	I was just going to say, like, I've been on a panel before where the ages were closer, me and the other girl.
	And so I think that because...
	Which panel?
	Which podcast?
	With Key.
	I was on Dumb Jocks.
	Yeah, I was on Dumb Jocks.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	And it's no offense to you guys, but I feel like...
	I just don't really resonate with you guys as much because I'm 33 and I mean, I have a kid in high school.
	Yeah, we shouldn't.
	We all have different experiences.
	Well, yeah, women are kind of like, no offense, you guys kind of age like in dog years almost.
	No offense.
	My bio age is 23, so what's up?
	Yeah, because the thing is, is that when you guys hit 30, life is significantly different for you than when you were 20. Yeah, I'm in my prime.
	Like, you guys are in your prime in your 20s versus at 30s, things are starting to decline.
	Versus for us, we're at our lowest at 20. Like, men, like, we only gain value as we get older.
	Assuming we do the work.
	If we're broke at 20 and still broke at 30, it sucks still.
	But, like, for women, it's like, whether you're broke or not, at 20 years old, life is going to be great if you're halfway attractive.
	So for you guys, there's a big difference between a 20-year-old woman and a 30-year-old woman.
	You don't think so?
	Really?
	When I was 20, I was a bubble head.
	There was absolutely not one thought in there.
	Now, I mean, even conversational-wise, I wouldn't even be able to sit down and have certain...
	If she can't do certain things or she can't even sit there and talk to you being pretty, that's just good for one thing.
	Yeah, but I'm speaking.
	See, here's the thing.
	You attributed it right back to being a woman.
	I'm talking from the male perspective.
	Male perspective?
	To us, you have the most value when you're 20. Yeah, because we go off of looks and age.
	Yes, 100%.
	100%.
	See, there you go.
	That's a female trait right there.
	I'll say something and then they'll be like, well, to me it's not that way.
	It's the rebuttal.
	I'm telling you, but yeah, you got to remember, how you see yourself is irrelevant to how men see you.
	You might look at yourself and say, I'm successful, I'm smart, I'm educated, but men don't care about that.
	They really don't.
	Like, we'll take a 20-year-old bubble head, as you would say, that's compliant over a 30-year-old woman that's going to be annoying any day.
	Yes, that's true.
	It's true.
	So that's what I mean when I say women age in dog years, because at 30, like, you don't have the same value to a man as you did when you were 20. Versus for me, at 30, I'm going to have way more value than I did at 20. I didn't ask them at 20 at all.
	Did you finish your point?
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Does that make sense though?
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	What about you, miss?
	Oh, this was fun.
	I was going to say Miss Mormon.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Learn anything here?
	I feel like I like hearing from guys' perspectives.
	You're going to tell Bumbleguy that, hey man, we can bang girls together?
	Nope.
	All right, well, when he cheats on you, he'll get mad at me.
	Right now, don't leave him.
	You had your chance.
	You had your chance.
	He's watching right now.
	Wait, have y'all hooked up yet?
	Okay, he's still going to want another one.
	Just be ready to have that conversation.
	Okay, when does a man doesn't want any other woman?
	Almost never.
	Pretty much.
	That thirst for other women almost never goes away.
	Okay, the thirst, yeah.
	It might go down.
	I feel like even women too, whether they say it or not, and they act upon it or not, they start seeing other men in a certain way.
	I'll tell you this.
	As they stay with you longer in age, it's probably going to go down.
	So let's say he was cheating on you with like 10 girls a year, right?
	At the beginning of the relationship, it might go down to just one.
	Because he's like, man, I don't want to deal with this bullshit no more.
	But the want and need to be with other women almost always stays there.
	Especially if your guy has high testosterone, is traditionally masculine, he's always going to want other women.
	So it's like a catch-22 for you guys.
	You want a guy that's a leader and assertive, everything?
	Well, guess what comes with that?
	He's going to want other bitches.
	I can't read this one.
	What does it say?
	Tyler Durden says, Fresh.
	Wrong black chick, bro.
	The black chick with the black hair is the hottest black chick that's been on FNF. Ninja.
	What the fuck?
	Do you have eyes?
	LOL. Wait, what?
	Oh, damn.
	Everyone's beautiful.
	Bye.
	I caught it.
	Oh, Tyler.
	Yeah, Tyler.
	I thought he meant you, but he meant her.
	Okay.
	I'm going to move on now.
	Yeah, that was...
	That was that bad.
	Fucking asshole.
	Comfort Zone.
	Fresh, read this card.
	When this card is played, it means Real Fresh has left the building.
	I can't see all this, by the way.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Here it is.
	You can't be serious, is the tagline here.
	When this card is played, it means Real Fresh has left the building and Toon Fresh is in town.
	Toon Fresh is no longer willing to listen to your female delusion logic.
	He's ready to troll you instead.
	Attack 2500. Defense.
	Oh, because he did that during the show with the music shit.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	We got HK. My boy, Octavius, want to hook up with the black girl with the wig.
	Here he is.
	Yo, what the fuck?
	It's KSI. It's KSI real quick.
	Yeah, what the hell, man.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	Last one.
	This is a classic for the show, ladies.
	This is your time to shine.
	Name three countries.
	And you can't name USA, Canada, or Mexico.
	We'll start right here.
	Motherfucker.
	I'm just kidding.
	The countries.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, just name them.
	After she goes, one at a time.
	Ethiopia.
	We can't confirm or deny.
	We're just going to listen.
	Can I just go and get off the way?
	I have three already in my brain.
	What else?
	Japan.
	And Israel.
	Debatable, but one more.
	No, no, I can't do that.
	Yeah!
	She already did it, period.
	All right, what about you?
	Three countries?
	Three countries, yeah.
	East Asia?
	I am so challenged.
	They only teach geography in 12th grade, my bad.
	Yeah, see, I didn't graduate high school in Russia.
	One more.
	Yeah.
	Okay!
	No, she said you can't use Mexico.
	I know, I was trying to be funny.
	Okay, cool.
	All right, well, too bad you lost.
	That's fantastic.
	What about you?
	I knew.
	She's got this.
	I got nervous.
	What about you?
	Go ahead.
	There's still like 190 left.
	Germany, Belgium.
	What was my favorite?
	I thought you liked smart guys.
	Switzerland.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Two hours later.
	Ah, you're too late.
	Man, she got it.
	Okay, Armenia, Poland.
	Ireland.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Smooth.
	Cool.
	So, guys, we'll be back live tomorrow, guys.
	We're going to be back in Miami.
	We're going to do a live.
	We're going to react to that documentary.
	With Lily Phillips.
	With Lily the 304. Yeah.
	We're going to give you guys probably the best breakdown on it tomorrow.
	Probably around, what, 9.30 p.m.
	Eastern Standard Time?
	We're going to get off the plane and stream for you, niggas.
	Tomorrow.
	Like 10 p.m.
	Yeah, something like that.
	To be fair.
	Hard to work a podcast in the game, guys.
	Click the link below.
	Get in the email list.
	All the girls' Instagrams are below.
	Go ahead and send them a dick pic if you want.
	I'm sure they'd love that.
	They've been great sports.
	Thank you ladies for coming on.
	Get on that email list tomorrow at 10.30pm.
	We're going to react to the documentary and then go ahead.
	Before we end, shout out to both Content Studio and Key and Post Game Profits.
	And last but not least, shout out to the Origin Podcast for having us in the studio.
	Thank you very much for having us here.
	Thank you ladies for coming.
	And again, think about this.
	Thank you for coming.
	10.30pm guys.
	Bye.
	Peace.
	Bye.
	Thank you.

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