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Oct. 7, 2024 - Fresh & Fit
01:27:53
General Flynn Interview
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What's up, guys?
Welcome to the Fresh Air Podcast.
We're here with General Flynn.
Clint, let's get into it, guys.
We'll see you next time.
We'll see you next time.
Sorry for that delay.
We had a little bit of technical issues.
You guys know it always happens, right?
We don't got Bill's here.
We got Chris and we got Mo.
So, obviously, as you guys know, Bill's is the best.
But, hey, Mo and Chris are able to make it work, man.
So, guys, welcome to the podcast.
We have a legend in the house.
We have General Flynn.
Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, sir.
I'm honored to have you.
Thank you for having me.
I know who you are.
I watched your documentary, which all of you need to go watch it, by the way.
It's on YouTube right now.
Go check it out, guys.
Go support.
But for those that might not be familiar with who you are, can you please introduce yourself to the people?
Wow.
So, I am one of nine children.
I come from a long line of people that have served in the military, both my grandfathers and all enlisted, with the exception of my two brothers.
But my grandfather served in World War I, both of them.
One of those grandfathers served in World War I and World War II. My father served in World War II, served in the Korean War.
I had a brother that served during the Vietnam era, myself or my other brother, Charlie, who's still serving.
And my son have all served in every single war since really the late 1970s.
I grew up in Rhode Island, state of Rhode Island, nine brothers and sisters, a great family, great mother and father, tough, tough Irish family.
I decided to join the Army because that's what my father did, and my father retired as a mass sergeant out of the Army.
I went through public schools.
I did go through a Catholic school at an early age, and I was a kid, you know, sort of a product of the boys' club system.
You know, used to do some swimming and boxing and stuff like that.
Avid surfer, right?
Avid surfer.
I've been surfing for 55 years.
Surfing, like wave surfing, yeah, on the ocean.
I still own 10 surfboards.
And so I decided to go in the Army.
I went through the University of Rhode Island.
I'm not a West Point guy.
I just, you know, figured I'd go in.
URI? URI, yep.
Love it.
Yeah, you're from up in Connecticut.
That's right.
You guys have a very good hockey team.
Yeah, great team.
Great soccer at that time, too.
So I ended up going through ROTC. Which is the Reserve Officer Training Corps program.
I wasn't sure if I was going to ever stay in long.
But my first assignment was the 82nd Airborne Division.
And the 82nd Airborne Division.
And what year was this when you got in there?
This was 1980, 1981 time frame.
And so I spent more than half my career at Fort Bragg.
Now they call it Fort Liberty, you know, all this DEI stuff.
So Fort Bragg.
And I actually served there from the time I was a second lieutenant to a brigadier general.
So I was in operational assignments, deployed a lot, deployed to Central America, deployed to the Middle East, deployed to East Africa, deployed to the Pacific in places like Korea and other places out in the Pacific, deployed to Central Asia.
I have not only about 30, almost 34 years in the Army, but I have five of those years are in combat, direct combat, primarily with airborne and special operations units.
I loved serving in the Army.
I loved serving in the military.
I spent, you know, I always tell people they don't sprinkle fairy dust on you and poof, you're a general.
You know, you work your ass off to get there.
And I can tell you, as a kid growing up, the way I grew up, You know, we were taught to treat others like you like to be treated.
My old man was a big, you know, used the golden rule.
And my mother was, both of my parents are deceased now.
My mother was, you know, she was tough.
Grew up in a tough family as well.
And she was one to, you know, make sure you hit the books.
And so we always did, you know.
And so I had a good life, blessed life.
I decided to go in the military, and as I rose through the ranks, you know, in the officer ranks from second lieutenant until I retired as the three-star lieutenant general, my last military assignment was as the senior intelligence officer for the Department of Defense.
So I was heading up an organization called the Defense Intelligence Agency.
It's one of the largest intel agencies in the world.
And I was, you know, blessed to be chosen for that.
We can talk about that.
I think we should because it's part of the film.
For sure.
Yeah, definitely.
I have a lot of questions about that.
Yeah, and I also, I had a couple of really critical jobs.
I was the assistant director of national intelligence for, the subtitle was for partner engagement where I was responsible for all intelligence relationships internationally.
And domestically.
And domestically, specifically domestically for all federal, state, and local.
So I was actually, I traveled around the country quite a bit with a lot of the joint task forces that we have in our country.
You know, your background with HSI. HSI, you know, fits into some of those task forces for different things, different reasons, you know, certainly the investigation side.
So I had a really great career.
I spent a lot of times, a lot of time You know, a third of my career worrying about the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union and all that.
And then the remainder, the next two big sections of my career, we were engaged in the Balkans and then the Middle East started to draw us in.
And then, of course, after 9-11, I got fully enmeshed in the war on counterterrorism and counterinsurgency.
And that's when I went into the world of special operations.
And really tried to help to perfect the intelligence craft to be able to go after the enemies, right?
I mean, you know, capturing and killing, you know, that's what happens in war.
Many of the most ruthless terrorists that we, at the time that I was serving, that we were facing around the world.
And, you know, and that was my mission.
That was my mission as the head of intelligence for...
Many, many people and many different types of organizations to go after some of these people, high-end guys.
Like, you know, you always hear a guy like Trump saying, we got al-Baghdadi, you know, we killed him like a dog.
Well, there was a lot of al-Baghdadis before him, before, you know, that guy, the head of ISIS at the time.
You know, we were going after the heads of al-Qaeda, you know, bin Laden and Zarqawi were two of the big names.
So I, you know, I KSM, these types of guys.
KSM, you know.
That's called a Sheikh Mohammed chat.
Yeah, exactly.
Answer, Islam.
I mean, all the things that happened in Libya.
I mean, we can talk about that if you want, but maybe that's another time.
So I was really good at this warrior thing and being a good soldier, disciplined.
I never worried about politics.
I just worried about our mission, worried about the people that were part of my organizations.
I led some of these organizations and I was a key member, a key staff member, because the intelligence officer is right there in everything.
I worked for presidents dating back to Jimmy Carter, so I've been around a while.
It's a lot of different administrations.
Yeah, and so definitely with the war on terror, so to speak, in these last 20 years, these last 25 years, I guess almost, where the Bush-Cheney administration, I was deeply involved there where we did a lot of briefings to them, for them, in support of them, and we can talk about that because I am not a fan at all.
And then, of course, the transition into the Obama administration where he picked me, Barack Obama, and it comes out in the movie, And people can stream it from YouTube.
Please, guys.
Go check it out, man.
Yeah, it's called Flynn.
Go support.
Yeah, it's called Flynn Deliver the Truth, whatever the cost.
And I think it's like $3.99 or something.
And it helps me.
Believe me, it helps me to get out and about and do the things that I'm doing right now to help save this country.
But Barack Obama...
Chose me for two really critical assignments.
One was as Assistant Director of National Intelligence, and the other was as the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which I just touched on both of those a second ago.
And I was working with I was working with some of these, you know, the likely suspects that we bring out in the movie but also that we're dealing with right now and certainly in the Trump administration early on we dealt with.
So the names like Jim Clapper, Director of National Intelligence under Obama.
John Brennan, Director of the CIA. Jim Comey, Director of the FBI. Sally Yates, who was the Deputy Attorney General for the United States for the Department of Justice, and then she became the Acting Attorney General during that transition between Obama and Trump.
And then people like Susan Rice.
Susan Rice, just like I'm sitting with you, Myron, I sat with Susan Rice many times to do a transition, you know, to do a turnover of the government from one national security adviser to another.
It's not easy to do because it's an enormous amount of information that needs to get pushed over.
And you're talking about the United States of America.
At the time, we're involved in all kinds of wars.
And I always tell people that, and for your audience, because you've got a different audience and a great audience, actually...
You know, so as a general, as a guy in the army, and I'm talking about all this military stuff, I'm actually very anti-war.
I always tell people, I always sort of precisely more define that by saying I'm anti-stupid war.
And we're involved in a lot of stupid wars right now.
I mean, if somebody, you know, comes up and punches you in the face like they did on 9-11, there should be a consequence to that.
There should be an accounting for that.
I mean, but I will say that since...
Since World War II, since the end of World War II, we have participated in a dozen wars, and we have not, and I use that word precisely, participate.
We have not won since World War II. We've had some skirmishes and some battles, like a desert shield, desert storm, where we, you know, the 100-hour war, and you look at what that got us, right?
A mess.
Vietnam, Korean War, all these different random conflicts.
I mean, all these different, you know, the Balkans, all these different places.
I always tell people, and I've written a book about this called The Field of Fight.
People can go look that up.
And I talk about war being the norm.
I'm sorry, I talk about peace being the norm.
I'm sorry.
No, no, you're fine.
So you're talking about peace being the norm versus...
I actually talk about war being the norm.
In the book, I talk about war being the norm, peace being the aberration.
I apologize for mixing that up.
But, you know, the idea is that There's this establishment military-industrial complex that exists in Washington, D.C. President Eisenhower warned us about it.
I talk about this in the film and Eisenhower warned in his last speech to the United States after eight years in the military, he sits there and warns us.
The guy that ends up taking over from him John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy Jr., who everybody's gotten to know, JFK, he basically is going to take on this complex.
That was one of his things, especially the CIA, and he ends up getting killed for it.
So they assassinated him for it, and they feared him because he became president of the United States, and he knew exactly what he wanted to do.
And they knew he was going to go after them.
go after them.
A lot of people wanted them dead.
And so I talk about that in the film as well.
I take the viewers back to the 60s and all the assassinations, both Kennedys, Martin Luther King.
I show a shot of Malcolm X.
And I talk about reassessing the...
And this is all...
So we made this movie over a year ago, and it finally came out a few months ago before these assassination attempts on Trump.
And so in the movie, I address this business about assassinations because these are very real.
Our government, you know, I'll get screamed at for disinformation, but I'm sorry.
I mean, these are real things that people get involved in, and...
And so I address this in the film, and then I take people through kind of where we are now.
And I think where we are now, where we are right now, right here and now, as I sit here with you, Myron, we are in the throes of a takeover.
And the takeover, the battle that we are facing, You know, and I can get into the spiritual, intellectual, emotional, physical, all those domains, but the real battle that we are facing is kind of a cognitive warfare, I call it.
It's fifth generation warfare.
I've written a book on that as well.
You know, Citizen's Guide to 5GW, fifth generation warfare.
That's what we're involved in.
Where information resides and what you believe.
Who do you believe?
That's why I'm here.
I'm here because you have a great, honest, authentic approach to how you do your presentations in here and how you discuss and how you relate with your audience, your great audience.
You've got a beautiful audience, big audience.
And I think that And a lot of them aren't aware of a lot of this stuff.
A lot of younger guys that are trying to get laid or trying to make some more money, etc.
But I think it's very important to understand geopolitical ramifications, understanding what's going on in politics, understanding the deep state, understanding how American politics works.
And obviously we went through your career, obviously a very decorated military past.
Real quick, because you mentioned that you had been all over the place.
With South America, what were you doing over there?
This, I'm assuming, is in the 80s, probably, right?
Yeah.
Was it the counter-drug stuff?
Central America, yeah.
Specifically from Panama up to Honduras, Honduras, and El Salvador, Nicaragua.
So during that period of time, that was the Sandinistas.
The Iran-Contra, right?
Yeah, Iran-Contra.
At the time, I wasn't aware of Iran-Contra because I was a younger officer, but I was physically on the ground.
Can you tell the audience real quick what that was?
Yeah, Iran-Contra was really...
It's kind of like what we've heard, you know, sort of weapons for drugs and then moving weapons from different organizations in Central America and then how Iran played in.
So there was a big connection between...
The forces and the insurgents in Central America to defeat one communist element, and then the sort of the drugs for arms trade that was going on.
And, you know, that's where, like Ollie North, for those that even remember, you know, Ollie, I do, and I've met him, and I actually think he's a good man.
And he was brought up, you know, he was sort of sucked into it all as a member of the National Security Council working under the President Reagan administration.
So it was a it was a, you know, drugs for arms, arms for drugs.
And there was a relationship between different factions, our government, the Iranian, you know, the Iranian government at the time and others who were in the market and black market of moving arms and then bringing CIA, big part of it.
and then bringing drugs back into the United States.
Crazy stuff.
Yeah, there's some great movies that are about that, you know, that people can go watch.
So you were just a foot soldier on the ground at that point?
I was a foot soldier.
I was a platoon leader initially, and then I became a staff officer where we were planning operations.
I mean, we're planning things like, you know, coups.
We're planning to take over countries.
But my early time, I was a platoon leader in the 82nd Airborne Division, put on the ground in Honduras, in eastern Honduras, in a place called Puerto Limpira.
And the name of the exercise was Agustada, which means, I think, pine tree.
And we were way, way over on the eastern shore.
And then we tucked ourselves into the border.
And so we were doing border operations at that time.
Were you guys targeting, like, narco traffickers?
Yeah, narco.
But we were also doing collection missions.
We were doing reconnaissance and surveillance-type missions.
And also, you know, at that time we called it Electronic Warfare Signals Intelligence Collection.
So we were there actually doing intelligence operations along the border to help the CIA and our government gather evidence and gather information on the Sandinistas.
It was a fascinating time for me.
The guys that I had in my...
And my platoon, I think this is a great story, you know, my platoon sergeants, I was a platoon leader, young first lieutenant at the time.
And just for the audience, can you tell them, like, a platoon, how many guys were you in charge of?
At the time, I think I had, we had about 50 guys that I took down there.
All Spanish speakers, you know, my Spanish at that time was not bad.
Now it's, you know, poquito, right?
It's very, very little.
But I had a lot of Spanish speakers at the time.
My platoon sergeant was a great guy.
He actually worked out of Miami when he was a younger sergeant.
When the Mariel Boatlift, he was an interrogator.
So he was drafted by the agency to go work, drafted out of the Army, went and worked there.
So really tough guys from Oxnard, California.
I don't know if you get anybody from Oxnard, California, but Oxnard, California is a tough place out there in L.A. And he was a Mexican, really good guy.
Zamora was his name.
And then we had a whole bunch of other guys from, you know, from New York.
We had guys from Puerto Rico.
We had guys from here, literally from South Florida, that were part of my platoon, part of the 82nd Airborne Division.
Tough, tough guys.
I mean, just good men.
And so we ended up going down there.
We stayed there for a couple of months on the ground.
We did some really great work.
And that was my introduction into a deployment that was...
It sort of crossed between a peace-keeping type mission, although I'm not sure we were keeping any peace, and combat operations because of where we were operating on the border, literally on the border, and setting up the kinds of things that we Set up for collection.
And we also had aviation operations that were part of it.
We had a security force that was part of it.
So it was a fascinating introduction for me because from that point, you know, I was also involved in Grenada.
So people that will forget about, you know, Grenada was another thing.
Most people, maybe most of your audience, you know, weren't even born then.
But I went to, I deployed to Grenada, as Mo will understand.
I went to Grenada.
Mo Moka!
Yeah, I went to Grenada as a platoon leader, and that was where the Cubans had taken over Grenada.
The island of Grenada, the Spice Isle, it's all the way down at the tip of the Caribbean.
I mean, I'm a good swimmer.
I wouldn't say I could swim from Grenada to Venezuela, but that's the path, right?
Wow, okay, yeah.
So Cubans had occupied Grenada.
There was a decision that we were going to go down there and take them out of there, which we did.
I was part of that task force.
I was also a platoon leader for that operation.
And I took that same platoon of guys back to Grenada, and we set up a whole bunch of things until...
This was also in the 80s as well?
This was in the 80s, and we actually fought the Cubans at that point in time.
Some good friends of mine got wounded, and that was really the first exposure for me where I came off of the plane when we came in to the airfield, and that was the first time that I had actually seen our guys in body bags being backloaded.
So we're coming off.
And those were the original, you know, group that was killed.
And those guys were the Rangers that had jumped in to the airfield about 24 hours prior.
And there was about 10 of them that had died.
And they were sitting, you know, laying in body bags, you know.
And they were killed in action from the opposition.
Killed in action by the Cubans.
Because they got in, you said, 24 hours prior.
They went in before you guys to do reconnaissance.
Yep, to get in to secure the airfield so we could bring in a follow-on aircraft, and that's what their job is.
Ours was as well, but their decision was made to put the Rangers in first, and they did an amazing job.
Obviously, tragically, they lost some guys.
Was that your first instance where you saw dead soldiers?
Yeah.
Yeah, from combat.
From combat.
From combat.
I mean, I had, you know, training experiences.
It's tough.
I mean, the military, you do a lot of things that are, you know, that are in training.
I mean, you just do a lot of things.
You do live fires, you're getting on helicopters, you're jumping out of airplanes.
But that was the first time when it was like an enemy was now there to try to oppose you and kill you.
And they had successfully killed a few.
And we ended up getting them out of that island.
Would you say the military strategy, and I kind of want to bring this full circle, for the United States back in the 80s was counter-drug, counter-communism.
Let's keep this stuff at bay, collect information on these guys.
They're too close to home.
We need to figure out what they're doing, what they're planning.
Are they using drugs to fund their communist beliefs?
Was that kind of what it was?
Yes, absolutely.
So remember back in the 80s, and again, to bring this full circle to now, because a lot of things have flipped on its head.
So then it was the West...
You know, which was primarily America, our partners in Europe, Australia, some partners out in the Pacific, like the Republic of Korea, South Korea, Japan, and versus the Warsaw Pact, right, which was all of Eastern Europe from East Germany all the way, you know, to Moscow, right?
So that was the Warsaw Pact.
So that was kind of the big competition.
And what we were doing in our hemisphere We were stopping the rise of communism in our hemisphere.
So the Reagan doctrine, what they called it, the Reagan doctrine, was to prevent wherever communism raised its head, Reagan's intent was to stop it.
So whether it was in The Caribbean, whether it was in Central America or whether it was down in South America.
And a lot of times we were directly involved.
The United States was directly involved in helping to overthrow governments in South America that were communist.
And certainly in Central America because it...
And as I just mentioned, Grenada and there were other places.
The Dominican Republic is another place and that's all changed.
So communism was prevalent.
In that part of the world when Reagan came into office and his goal for his period of time was essentially to crush communism in our hemisphere and turn these countries over to where people are voting, right?
Democratic nations.
So people will know like Millet in Argentina today, right?
Argentina was one of those countries that was stronghold communist for over 100 years.
And Malay is really the first president.
I'm a big fan of his.
I think what he's doing is amazing.
So Malay is the first president in Argentina in over 100 years.
So that was one of the really tough nuts to crack was Argentina, and we never could.
And the people of Argentina finally figured it out, and they said enough is enough.
We're going to get rid of these communist thugs.
Brazil, on the other hand, has flipped around.
Remember Bolsonaro in Brazil, and now Luna took over from Bolsonaro in a contested election.
Call it what you want.
Was it fraudulent?
Who knows?
Just like our own election in 2020, which I believe was fraudulent.
But now you have a communist government in Brazil.
Yeah.
They banned Twitter there, too.
Yeah, and Bolsonaro, who's a good guy, yeah, they banned Twitter.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
I mean, Bolsonaro is a good guy, was bringing in, really bringing back in democracy and opening it up to the rest of the world, opening it up to capitalism and basically in freedom.
They're actually talking about arresting him now.
I saw that about a month ago, and I sort of lost a bubble on that.
But I've been in touch with people and senior leaders and serious leaders in South America who are still in these democratic stronghold nations.
And one of the things that they're looking forward to is if we could get our country back, because to bring this thing full circle, we are now...
We're now kind of flipped on its head where we had a country of political people that were always fighting communists.
The communist infiltration into the United States government, and this is real, you know, you don't want to believe me, fine, but trust me, what I say is what I believe, and it's because it's not only...
You know, long experience, but I have, you know, this is my life.
National Security of this country is my life.
This is what I've been doing.
I get up in the morning early and I read executive orders or I read planning documents, you know, and I'm not a big athlete.
I love, you know, sports, but I spend most of my time thinking about the direction that the United States is taking.
And now, Now, 30, 40 years later, right, we are now transitioning to essentially a socialist form of government.
We're becoming exactly what we tried to prevent back in the 80s.
Exactly.
And what happens is the people that we continue to vote for, and this is why for your audience this really...
You know, I want your audience to understand how important voting is.
I mean, God, we've had, you know, hundreds of thousands of men and, you know, young, primarily young men and women, primarily young men who have been, who have given their lives to this country over so many, you know, two and a half centuries, right?
Right.
To give us a right to vote.
And man, you know, so don't take your vote lightly.
Don't think that your vote doesn't count.
Your vote counts.
Voting matters.
You know, I say if we want to make America great again and we want to make America healthy again, we got to make America vote again.
And so you got to get out there and vote.
And so, you know, I want people to understand that we are now facing a socialist takeover And to take it back to the film, the specific date that I can point to, and I talk about it in the film, is the 5th of January of 2017, 5 January 2017, in the Oval Office, a meeting led by Barack Obama.
And they, and during that meeting, and I talk about this in detail in the film, during that meeting they talked about they had to get rid of Flynn in order to get rid of Trump.
I mean, that almost verbatim, okay?
And we've proven that out in court filings and my dismissal.
But most people think I spent a couple of years in jail, you know.
I didn't spend any time in jail.
I did plead guilty.
You learn about it in the film.
Why?
Speaking of Obama, we talked about the 80s, obviously fighting communism, which ironically enough now we are becoming what we fought against in the 80s.
90s, we get into the Middle Eastern affairs with Desert Storm, etc.
Then obviously the early 2000s.
We could go ahead and...
Yeah, and you spent, before we get into Obama, because I want to ask you this, and I really want to bring attention to this for the audience, too.
You're one of the few people that were operational at a high level in the military.
You weren't one of these guys that were going back and forth between D.C., doing the tours, etc.
You were actually out there, on the ground, running operations, being operational, in combat, real time, in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
And to that, I want to say thank you for your service.
Thank you.
Can you talk about that a little bit?
Because I want the people to know what you really did.
You're out here really doing shit.
You didn't just get appointed these positions by Obama and Trump just because.
There's meritocracy here.
Can you talk about things you did?
Yeah, that's a great word, to meritocracy, because we've lost that.
So...
You know, I appreciate this because I didn't go to Washington, D.C. until I was a two-star.
So that's, you know, for a guy like, for a lot of generals and admirals, you know, you float in and out of Washington, D.C. over a career.
You know, you go up there and you kiss the ring.
And I just never liked that.
I wasn't like that.
So I liked the 82nd Airborne Division.
I liked Special Operations Forces.
I liked 18th Airborne Corps.
I liked jumping out of planes.
I liked deploying.
I thrived on it.
And maybe I'm designed that way.
Like I said early on in this show, I'm one of nine kids.
I grew up in a family that was a tough family.
No excuses.
And you go serve your country.
That was my father's thing.
And so my thing was to go serve my country.
And I always...
Whenever I met somebody that came out of Washington, because they always come down and visit you, they loved visiting us.
They would come in and there would be all kinds of security that would have to be provided for these people coming in for like two days.
When they'd come to Iraq or Afghanistan, right?
When they'd come to visit you, anywhere, in any of these places I've been.
They'd show up, there'd be a ton of security around them.
They'd come out and they'd take a couple of photos and then they'd head back home.
I couldn't stand those types of...
People, frankly, I mean, I know that we need them, I guess, but I liked being around soldiers.
I liked being in the field.
I thrived on it, and I was good at it.
I was very good at it.
And like I said, you know, you don't get to the level that I'm at.
I mean, some guys you could say, well, if you hang around Washington, D.C. enough, you're going to get promoted up to the ladder.
I never—it was not something that I was wanting.
I actually thought when I first joined the military— That I was going to get out after my initial tour.
But because I went to the 82nd Airborne Division, I found something that I thought was missing in my life.
And the camaraderie, the people, the sergeants, the corporals, the privates that I was around, I absolutely loved them.
And they were very competitive.
I'm a very competitive person.
And no matter what we did, we did it really well.
The units that I've been in and anybody that's ever served with me, You know, and that's the thing, like all this craziness that they'll, you know, I was the most Googled name in the world for two years during the time that I was persecuted.
That's amazing.
I've been called every name in the book.
But it's really hard to find, and they never really have, you know, it's really hard to find somebody that I serve with.
Or that serve with me, that we serve together, that would sit there and go, oh, Flynn's an asshole.
He's this, he's that.
Or he's an ass kisser or something like that.
You won't find that because I wasn't.
And I'm not going to patting myself on the back, which is rare.
Well, you led a bunch of operations that led to the capture and or assassinations of high-level targets.
Can you talk about some of the ones that you did?
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was probably three years we hunted him in Iraq.
He was worse than bin Laden, deadly, really, really incredibly.
I mean, so there was a video early on in 2000 and probably 2004 timeframe for guys in masks.
With a guy by the name of Nick Berg, sad.
And Zarqawi was the one that had him by his crop of the top of his hair.
And in the video proceeded to cut his head off.
Young kid that just got lost.
Was he a journalist or Nick Berg?
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Kidnapped him and made a video.
Kidnapped him and then they made a video.
Huge in the early 2000s.
Unbelievable.
2004 time frame.
And so those four individuals...
Just to give you an example, the organization that we were part of, we had a mission to destroy al-Qaeda in Iraq.
And frankly, the other element that we had was to destroy al-Qaeda in the Afghanistan-Pakistan area of operations.
But this particular one was in Iraq.
And Zarqawi was the leader.
Head of al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, flowing foreign fighters from Morocco to Egypt into Iraq.
It was an incredible period of time, 2004 to 2007.
We ended up killing Zarqawi in June of 2006.
How did you guys find him?
It took us years.
It took us years.
I mean, you were HSI. You know what an investigation entails.
And so we did, like, we did police work.
We did military intelligence work.
I mean, I had, at the time, we did interrogations of prisoners that we captured, and we would capture guys just to get information.
We would capture, we would go after their communications.
We would go after their thumb drives, their phones.
We wanted anything that we could to investigate where this guy and how he operated.
And that's a whole, that's a show in itself that actually talked about that particular operation the night we killed him because we ran 36 operations.
The night we killed him, that night we ran 36 raids, combat raids that night.
Wow.
Simultaneously in different locations, right?
To try to find him.
Well, we killed him.
And we wanted to break apart this network.
But that Nick Berg video was something that struck me and other guys in our team.
And we committed to not only making Zarqawi our number one target to go after because he was part of that video, but we wanted to get all four guys that did that.
Because this was a brutal way that they were trying to psyop us and to try to put fear into U.S. soldiers.
Very common in their Oh, yeah.
And I did, and it was, you know, disgusting, but in order to understand the culture and the mindset, so, you know, the bottom line of those four is all of them were either captured or killed.
So we made it a point to go after every single one of them to hold them to account for what they did to that young man who did not deserve that.
And to this day, it...
To this day, I get emotional thinking about it because that was really one of the first—it wasn't the first beheading that I had seen on a video.
I've seen some other really gruesome things, and we've captured people or killed people that this is what they do.
I mean, these are savages.
I mean, these are savages that do that kind of thing, you know?
So Zarqawi was a big operation.
Once we killed him— Then, you know, and I knew because we talked about it that night.
We actually had a call with the President of the United States of America at the time, was George Bush.
He actually called.
I was in the room, you know, back at our headquarters.
And when I say in our headquarters, it was a plywood set of boxes that we were operating in inside of a hangar.
So it wasn't like, you know, headquarters, right?
Yeah.
And Bush called us up to thank us.
And one of the things, you know, that I remember us telling him, Was that, yep, we feel good that this is a mission that we accomplished, but this thing is far from over.
And here we are.
Here we are today.
Yeah.
With, you know, the Middle East is still— 20 years later almost.
That's why I say peace is the aberration and war is the norm in human history.
And, man— Looking back, before we get into the—because I got some questions about the Obama administration next.
Looking back, do you think we should have went to Iraq?
Yeah.
No.
We should have not gone to Iraq.
Iraq was probably the biggest strategic failure so far, I think, in the 21st century.
Now, we're into the third decade of the 21st century.
I absolutely think, and I believe strongly, with good evidence, and I can talk to you all day about this, that it was a massive, massive failure in decision-making at the highest levels of the U.S. government policy.
And, of course, that's George Bush, the president at the time, Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, Cheney, and there were others.
Huge, huge mistake for us to go into Iraq.
We could have easily just sanctioned the crap out of Saddam.
Hell, if they wanted to go in there and assassinate him, they could have assassinated him, but it wouldn't have gotten anybody better.
But big mistake.
We could have contained Saddam, easily contained Saddam.
I mean, hell, this audience, so you know, for eight years we supported Iraq.
And their war against Iran.
I mean, it's crazy the back and forth.
So huge, huge failure in decision making at the highest level.
Saddam was an ally at one point, and we don't like to talk about that, but he was.
No, we don't.
And I think it was just a vendetta on the part, and that's me, you know, that's what I believe.
It was a bit of a vendetta on the part of the Bush administration.
Well, I'll tell you what, I take your opinion way more seriously than everyone else, because you were there on the ground.
Yeah, and...
Unlike these other neocons that wrote the policy and all this other shit.
Yeah, and they talk about nuclear weapons and all this bullshit.
I mean, it's...
You know, our government constantly lies to us.
And so as I got further and further on in my career and more and more senior...
You know, so what your audience is hearing from me and the way I talk right now, you know, this is how I am.
So, like it or not, I mean, this is kind of how I am.
No, they love you.
Don't worry.
I see you in the chat right now.
So, I'm very blunt.
I treat people really well.
I mean, I always will treat people really well because I appreciate honesty and I appreciate...
If you sit around in a big table, I mean, I've had jobs, you know, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, I'd have a staff meeting and my staff would be like 25 people, right?
All sitting around a big oak table, right?
I mean, it's the headquarters in Washington, D.C. And I would cherish those backbenchers when I would say, okay, we're about to make a big decision here.
Is this what we want to do to everybody?
And, of course, you just kind of know who the ass-kissers are.
But then some little young government servant in the back row would raise their hand and go, oh, sir, I think this is pretty stupid.
And I'd be like, oh, my God, I want to hug that person.
Because that's what you want.
It's the...
For any of you that grew up, and I grew up, you know, with the story of the emperor has no clothes, right?
And, you know, the emperor's riding through town on the back of a horse with no clothes on, and it finally gets to the end, and some little kid says, hey, man, you don't got any clothes on, and the emperor gets embarrassed, right, because nobody else wanted to tell the emperor they didn't have any clothes on.
And that's what happens when you get higher and higher and more senior in rank, is you have all these people around you that want to tell you what they think you want to know, instead of telling you what you need to know.
And that's the way I am.
So I want people to be like that around me, and I am that way around others.
I don't get enamored by rank or position.
I'm not enamored by presidents of the United States.
I'm not enamored by kings or princes.
Or prime ministers.
I've been in the company of many of those titles.
I have some who are friends.
So we talked about Iraq.
Do you think we needed to also go into Afghanistan, or do you think that was also a colossal failure as well?
And the way we pulled out of Afghanistan.
I could comment on that as well, once your opinion is on that.
Yeah, so I, you know, for those, so we went into Afghanistan with the right intentions, but the wrong, and this is, you know, this is a little bit of quarterbacking.
I'm Monday morning quarterbacking here a bit, you know, so people understand that.
The Monday morning quarterbacking is that, When I look back at it, because I was in Afghanistan, God, I used to say I lived in Iraq and I vacationed in Afghanistan.
I was over there for almost three and a half years straight.
So you guys got rid of Zarqawi and then Afghanistan?
I was in Afghanistan before Zarqawi even came on the scene.
I had been deployed to Afghanistan early on.
Gotcha.
So, we went into Afghanistan with the right intentions, but the wrong...
What year did you get there?
The first time I was in Afghanistan was early 2002.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So, before even the Iraqi invasion?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Before Iraq was even...
You know, they were starting to think about it.
We knew that, and that was a big mistake, like I said.
So, we should have gotten out of Afghanistan when we put...
Karzai, you know, President Karzai in charge the first time in June of 2004 timeframe.
And the reason we went is because at the time there was information that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, right?
Right, right.
That was the main reason we went there.
The main reason he was there.
Even though he was in Pakistan.
And then he absconded to, yeah, he probably, you know, there's some great, you know, books out there and, you know, speculation.
You know, the Iranians probably protected him for a little while and then he moved into Pakistan.
There's a lot, I mean...
You know, when that whole story comes out, and if you really dig in bits and pieces, it's so ugly from a U.S. intelligence community perspective, the failures, really, the failures.
And, folks, what I'm telling you is we do have good people in our country and parts of our government.
But the culture of some of these organizations at the very top is where it really gets set up, you know, gets set in, right?
I agree, yeah.
It's just terrible.
So we should have gotten out of Afghanistan really after we put Karzai in charge the first time.
And when he was in charge, we should have downsized.
And again, this is hindsight, right?
Because at the time, the first time I was there, I was a colonel, and I was asked the question, You know, buy some media.
I did a media interview there in Bagram, and it was early.
It was very early on.
It was probably like May of 2002.
And I was asked to, you know, we have some media that showed up.
They brought him in on a plane.
Can you go talk to him?
And I did.
And I was asked, well, how many enemy are we facing here?
We've been told that there's only a few enemy left in Afghanistan, that everybody's out, you know, everybody's been killed or captured or whatever.
And I said, at the time, this was like May, I said, well, yeah, and I knew the numbers that we had, you know, captured or killed at the time, and it was small numbers.
And I said, yeah, there might be, you know, we may be facing 10,000, you know, spread across the southern and eastern part of Of Afghanistan.
But I said, but there's 500,000, just like this, just like I'm pointing right now to the media.
I said, there's 500,000 of them across the border in Pakistan, and that's going to be our problem.
And I remember specifically giving a presentation to some leadership that came out of Washington, D.C., Who told us, don't start doing, don't start building things here because we're not going to be here for a long time.
And I was like looking at him and I'm looking at him.
This is 2002, early.
And we were like, are you kidding me?
That never happens like that.
And I told him that the greatest threat that we're going to face is information.
And the information operations that these people are so good at, because Afghanistan, you know, they call it the graveyard of empires, right?
The British Empire, the Soviet Empire, and now the American Empire.
So you asked me about the retreat, really.
I call it the retreat from Afghanistan.
When we left, we retreated.
We retreated under enemy fire.
We left Americans behind enemy lines.
We had people that were unnecessarily killed.
You know, the brave 13 that were at that gate that day.
And we lost, you know, wounded a couple of hundred from that explosion.
And everybody saw the C-17 taking off from Kabul International Airfield with the guy hanging off the freaking...
You saw it, right?
It's nuts.
I mean...
That should never have happened.
It should never have happened.
We are much better than that as a military.
And for our military leaders, the four stars, the two stars, the generals, the admirals that were in charge of that mess, they should resign if they're not already resigned.
I'm not going to sit here and say that they should be court-martialed, because they're following the orders of their civilian masters, and the orders were just absolutely insane.
So we could have left in a much calmer, in a much more organized manner.
People have died and are seriously wounded because of the complete debacle, frankly caused by a guy who has dementia.
I hate to say it.
I mean, I call him Uncle Joe because he's...
You know, my Uncle Joe, who I had...
You know, he'd be in bed by four.
I mean, we're lucky if Joe makes it to four.
You know?
And I want people to understand that his behavior didn't just happen like this last week.
I mean, this has been going on since he became president of the United States.
So I want people to understand that this is...
This is the presidency of the United States of America.
This is the person that's supposed to be responsible for being the leader of this country, the free world.
And his number one priority, the number one priority of the US government is to protect the safety and security of the American people.
Period.
Everything else is secondary.
Whether or not we, you know, spend billions of dollars in Ukraine or billions of dollars in the Middle East or going elsewhere around the world, the number one priority is to provide for the safety and protection of the people of the United States of America, period.
And here we are with this maddening, you know, invasion that's going on.
And I know you've got fentanyl problems.
We're here in your studio in Miami here.
And, you know, we've got fentanyl.
I mean, the border situation is just at the border.
And the illegal invasion is not just at the border.
I was just up in your home, your home state of Connecticut in Middletown.
We were doing some anti-child trafficking.
We had a seminar up there this past weekend.
Great, great seminar.
We had some great cops that showed up to help us that are involved.
What's the HSI there?
Was HSI there?
HSI was not, but we had local sheriff and a local chief police department out of Middletown, Middletown, Connecticut.
Great.
But I tell you that because the invasion of our country right now is not just down in Texas or New Mexico or California.
It's all over the country.
Fentanyl.
We have over 200,000...
Worst drug ever.
I say killed in action.
And what they're doing, because it's here too, right here in this city, what they're doing is in the past year they've added a little bit more horse tranquilizer to the ingredients, so it's really powerful.
So I call it killed in action because that's a military term for somebody who dies on the battlefield.
So the battlefield of America right now on our streets, we have over 200,000 killed in action.
And we have hundreds of thousands wounded in action, another military term, wounded in action.
So by fentanyl.
Fentanyl is a Chinese designed and made and then introduced through the drug cartels of Mexico.
And then they work with their counterparts in various criminal cartels here in the country, whether it's MS-13 or Russian cartels or Chinese cartels that are here on the streets of America, all over.
I mean, this isn't, again, this isn't just Eagle Pass, Texas.
This is, you know, or Juarez.
Eagle Pass.
You know, this is not any—this is right everywhere in this country.
Fennel is a serious problem.
I was going to ask you this.
It's October 7th, right?
And obviously this is the one-year anniversary of what went down in Israel between Hamas and everything else like that.
It's led to a regional conflict.
With Israel invading Lebanon and everything else like that, you're an expert in Middle Eastern affairs.
I've been to every one of those countries.
Yeah, you've spent a significant amount of time there.
You understand the geopolitical nature and climate over there.
What do you think is going to happen next, given the Israeli invasion, Iran sending missiles over?
What do you think is going to happen?
So, in war, in warfare, we have something called wargaming.
And so if you wargame out this question, which is a great question, and I'm not sure that it's being done to the degree that I would impose on our Department of Defense.
But you have an action, a reaction, and a counteraction.
So if I say, I'm going to do this, what are the reactions that you might do?
So you go back and forth with these scenarios.
So your reaction is going to be X. It's like a football.
It's like we're in football season right now.
So I do a down and out.
I do a sweep to the right, right or left.
So the reaction by the linebackers is to shift.
The deep backs is to shift.
That's the reaction.
And then I have a counteraction where I go and I fake to the right.
And I go deep to the left.
Good analogy.
So, I mean, that's wargaming.
That's so true, though.
That's so true.
It's so true.
So right now, as I wargame out what's happening in the Middle East, I gave you that sort of analogy because I want people to understand how I think and how those of us who are in this world of Of warfare, which I have a master's degree in both physically because I've experienced it, but also I have a master's degree in it.
So anyway, when I war game out what's going to happen in the Middle East...
Israel right now is not fighting to win.
Israel is fighting to survive.
That's a completely different chemistry.
It's a completely different mindset.
So in order to survive, because they're kind of in this bastion all by themselves, right?
They're in this cauldron all by themselves.
Iran is clearly at the...
They're sort of the leader of these various groups, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis.
Houthis just fired another missile.
Oh, today?
In the last 12 hours, they fired another giant missile.
I mean, so these are—even though they did some destruction, even though Israel targeted the Houthis.
So I think right now what we're looking at is we're looking at a much, much bigger war that is going— If it can get bigger, right?
But yes, it can.
And I think that we're looking at some type of action by Israel into Iran.
They're going to have to do that because the Iranian government is not going to stop, and they're not going to give in.
And so they're almost calling them out.
So what is the...
So if that's the action by Israel into Iran, then what is the reaction, right?
Like the football analogy, what's the reaction of the Iranians back into Israel?
Do they launch another 400 or 500 missiles, right?
And then what's Israel's counteraction?
Because I just said, and I want people to take this one away, this is about survival for Israel and the state of Israel.
That's a really good point that you mentioned, because if you look at their escalations, whether it was the Pagers exploding, invading Lebanon, the amount of strikes they've done into Beirut, into Gaza, yeah, I guess that's a good way to put it, because they've been escalating at an unprecedented level.
So you have that.
So the counteraction then could be, you know, the use of even higher-end weapon systems.
And now we're getting into the world of, you know, the word of nuclear, right?
Mm-hmm.
And we already have the discussion of nuclear weapons in Eastern Europe.
So Russia has recently changed its policy.
I don't know what that policy is.
I used to know what their policy was, but in the last two months, they've changed their policy.
The Secretary General for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, has talked about the use of nuclear weapons.
Biden mentioned the use of nuclear weapons.
This is crazy.
It's total madness.
And it is very.
And people start to go, well, they're going to use the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
There's no such thing.
Now, the military guys, and you're going to hear political people go, well, it's tactical nukes, tactical nukes.
Tactical nukes have more devastation than the atomic bombs that we dropped on Japan during World War II to end the fight, at least in the Pacific.
So...
We're in a really very, very dangerous time and it's leading into a very important, the most historically consequential election in our nation's history because if we don't get this one right, we go down the path of socialism where we become the United Socialist States of America.
America with socialist characteristics instead of the United States of America, which is what I think all these people out here in the beautiful streets of Miami and elsewhere around this country want to continue to have all these freedoms.
We will lose them.
You'll lose them quickly.
And so the wars are, these wars can clearly be ended.
They can be ended by really strong leadership that emanates out of the White House.
And right now, sorry, but we don't have it.
We don't have it in the president.
We don't have it in the vice president.
We don't have it in the various departments.
Our Secretary of State, our Secretary of Defense, I mean, when I see them operating around the world, I'm like, oh my God, it's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing because we need...
You know, we need calm, measured, smart, and then shrewd and savvy.
I mean, it's like playing cards, you know?
I mean, I said early on in this interview that I grew up in the boys' club system, right?
And, you know, you would go there—I'd go there with, like, nothing in my pocket, and I'd walk out with $5.
And this is back in the—you know, this is back in, like, the— Late 60s and early 70s as a kid because I'd get dropped off or I'd walk there after school, you know?
So, you know, you learn to play cards, right?
You learn how to do different things.
I learned how to play chess.
I learned how to play games, play pool, right?
And I didn't like to lose.
Right now, it's not about...
Do you think we're closer to World War III than we've ever been?
We are in World War III. Okay.
We are in World War III because the components of warfare are not always these things that you see on TV, right?
Like these war movies, these war flicks, right?
It's not like, you know...
I mean, we're in World War III right now.
So we have a war going on domestically in this country, frankly, between the people of this country right now.
I mean, we talked about Phantom.
We talked about...
You know, the drug cartels talk about Chinese influence in not only the drug trade, but also the, you know, the political behavior of our country.
You know, we've talked about the physical wars that we are clearly involved in in the Middle East.
We are clearly involved in in Europe.
We have you know, we're providing them not only Hundreds of billions of dollars, both places, both those locations, but all kinds of weapons systems.
Hell, we're paying, the American taxpayer is paying for the entire war in the Middle East.
We're giving billions of dollars to Iran.
Iran has taken that money, given it to Hezbollah, given it to Hamas, given it to the Houthis.
And we're also giving money to Israel.
Because we unfroze their billions, didn't we?
Biden unfroze their money.
We unfroze them.
We gave them tons of money.
So, you know, for your audience and the American people, I mean, this is why we've got to stop this incompetence.
And frankly, this behavior in our current leadership, and I'm not just talking about who's in the White House.
I mean, this is the whole of government, right?
These are Republicans, Democrats.
These are the people that are running our country right now.
They're running it into the ground.
You know, the fact of life, folks, is that in the history of the world, there are what they call empires, right?
Go back to the Byzantine Empire, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire.
I have a hypothetical for you after.
So the fact of life is that all empires at some point in time collapse.
And, you know, and I hope and I pray that we are not at the end of our thread here.
So, anyway, I do want to...
I know we're going to run a little bit here with time, but because I... Whatever question you got, Myron...
Yeah, I got like one or two more.
I do want to talk about the disasters in North Carolina because I want to bring some awareness to that for the folks.
Go ahead.
I'll ask you my question after.
So, just briefly, I mean...
Because I'm involved with different people and different organizations helping out the situation up in North Carolina.
Please.
This is the...
Hurricane Helene, which hit North Carolina, a hurricane, right?
Amazing.
It is probably going to turn out to be the biggest disaster that the U.S. has ever faced.
We did have a disaster in the early 1900s that killed about 10,000 down in the Texas area.
I think this could surpass it.
I don't think we have the numbers in yet.
I know that we're close to 2,000 dead so far, and it's going to go up.
So I want to keep people focused on Our government is putting stuff over in the Middle East.
You know, you got Harris, you know, praising the money that we just sent over to the Middle East and over to Europe, to Eastern Europe.
And we've got people that are literally, you know, dying.
And now we're recovering bodies that were towns that were completely washed out.
One of my grandfathers comes from Eastern Tennessee, the Newport, Tennessee area.
And that area out there has been devastated.
We are about to get hit with a major hurricane in Florida here.
It looks like a Cat 4 at least.
Some could get up to Cat 5.
I was here for Hurricane Ian.
Oh yeah, that was bad.
I want people to know that When Katrina hit, because Bush got a lot of grief for Katrina in New Orleans, right?
And I've given Bush a lot of grief just for a lot of things, particularly I mentioned Iran or Iraq.
But we deployed for Katrina, we deployed 75,000 military almost immediately.
Like within four days, we had 75,000 military on the ground.
Oh, wow.
Right now, the numbers of military on the ground in North Carolina is like around 2,000 maybe, and there's more private organizations.
I'm on a call every morning and every night with updates, and we're moving everything.
We're moving everything from hygiene products, medical supplies, generators, The mountains up there right now at nighttime, they drop down into the low 30s.
It's not raining up there right now, but every night it's freezing.
And so there's people up there with nothing.
They lost everything.
$750, but we go ahead and give billions.
Unbelievable.
I just wanted to give a shout-out.
And if people follow me at atjenflynn, My pinned account right now, I have an organization that I do work with.
It's called Citizens Defending Freedom.
And if people want to donate to that, just on my drive down here this morning, we were able to raise $200,000.
Nice.
That money matters.
And trust me that the money that goes into that account is going directly to support, whether it's to buy food or supplies, pay for gas, pay for generators, pay for sleeping bags.
That's where tech dollars should be going, there, not billions of dollars in foreign aid.
We're having to do this when we're paying billions of dollars overseas.
This is insane.
Fucking wild.
It is.
Let me ask you this, because I know we're short for time here soon.
Let's say Trump gets into office and he hires you as National Security Advisor again.
How would you end the wars in Ukraine and in Israel?
Yeah, so the first thing is you've got to know what your abilities are as a nation.
In our case, with the right leadership and the right positions, particularly financially and economically, because we can shut down a lot of things.
The United States of America is so powerful economically.
We have the right leaders in place.
And so, that's number one.
Number two is the world of information.
So, right now, we're really not getting any truth out of our government.
None.
I hate to say it like that, but we're not getting anything.
So, immediately, we have got to inform the American people exactly what is happening.
Here it is, by the way, guys.
We're going to share the Citizens Defending Freedom.
Citizens Defending Freedom.
Yeah, yeah, thanks.
Yeah, there you go.
Yep, beautiful.
So, and then the next thing is, is you got to, you know, and this is where the president of the United States- So, transparency.
Transparency.
Using our economic might.
Using the economic strength and power that we do still have when it's used properly.
And- You know, gathering the resources, so bringing the people that are on our side right now, like NATO, right?
And the partners, right?
So to sit, you know, to get them immediately and say, look, guys and gals, you know, we're not going to do this anymore.
We're not going to kowtow to NATO immediately.
As they want to continue to expand into the Russian frontier, and I'm not pro-Putin.
I mean, I've been called every name in the book, folks, but this is about stopping the killing.
So Zelensky, I look at Zelensky and I'm like, are you serious?
Putin is very shrewd, so you've got to be able to have a relationship.
We know that Biden has not spoken to Putin in over two years.
Crazy.
So that's got to be like, that kind of a phone call has to happen immediately.
The phone calls to the, I mean, from the President of the United States, Call this guy Khomeini, right?
And tell him, you don't stop firing missiles.
You don't pull these guys back.
You're not going to see any peace.
I mean, we have to...
Sort of throw some cards down on the table, that stick, if you will, right before the carrot, that says, we are willing to use this stick in such a powerful way that if you don't come to this table and you don't sit here and negotiate what we think we need to do, then here's the consequence.
Because we cannot have...
This craziness.
So there's a strength that comes with leadership.
And it comes with demonstrated courage.
It comes with demonstrated, you know, calculation.
So it's not like you're just going, like they're going to blame, you know, the media will blame, you know, corporate media in this country will blame Trump and say he's a crazy man, he's going to start World War III. Trump never got us involved in any wars at all.
None.
None.
And here we are on the brink, potentially, of nuclear war in Eastern Europe.
And I hate to say it like that, but that's how dangerous.
So, I mean, number one really is that...
So you're dragging them both to the table, Zelensky and Putin, basically.
And you know what?
And bringing people like the Chinese premier, you know, prime minister, all of these nation states.
So the Security Council of the United Nations, I'm not a big fan of the United Nations, but it is a place to gather.
For now.
So the Security Council and you bring these others together and you sit them there.
The United States of America can do that when they have somebody who actually has all their faculties.
We don't have a president right now that has all their faculties.
I was not kidding about Uncle Joe 25 minutes ago or so.
I mean...
He's in bed right now probably.
Yeah.
He probably is.
He's getting close.
Oh, it's actually...
Yeah, it's after four.
So he's in bed.
And then Harris.
I mean, you know...
God help us.
I've been on six continents in my military career, blessed to have done the things that I did.
And this is the website that you guys can donate to, by the way, on the screen.
So guys, go show some love over there.
Yeah, yeah.
If you want to help, I mean, honestly, $10, $5, $100.
And if you can't, pray.
Pray for these people because I was briefed this morning and they just found a child Wandering around in one of the small enclaves up there, half-naked, freezing, but survived.
Awful.
Sorry, you were talking about bringing these people together.
So the big question is, can we end these things?
Yes, we can.
But it takes the United States of America with the right leader to sit there.
And part of it is, this is one of the strengths of Trump.
Would you say that we need to allow Russia to keep that 20% that they've already taken at this point?
I think the people in those Donbasses, they call them provinces, states, if you will, I actually think that those people have to be given a choice to throw it on the table and vote.
Okay.
Throw it on the table and vote.
Do you want to stay with Russia or And I believe, because we've already seen one of these occurrences take place during the time that Biden's been in office, where they did that.
And they actually voted, because most of those people are Russians, when they split up of Ukraine and the Warsaw Pact.
So that, to me, would be on the table for them.
And I actually believe that if it was presented correctly and done transparently, I actually think that Putin would go, okay.
I think he would, because I don't think that he fears what those people want.
And actually...
Most of them are probably going to want to be with Russia anyway.
Yeah, because that's their native, it's not just their native tongue, it's their native culture.
So, you know, a lot of this, and we could do two more hours of nothing but the Budapest Accords in 1994, which we had, you know, we had four leaders sit at that table And one of them was Gorbachev, Bush, Mitterrand, and Thatcher, okay?
Sat Budapest Accords of 1994.
They basically, during those things, it was like an agreement that we all shook hands and said, no more...
No more, like, shift of NATO up against the Russian frontier, okay?
And we have doubled down on that.
We screwed, you know, so it's like, you gotta have a- We expanded when we promised we wouldn't, right?
So, yeah, last point on this, because people will go, freak out, well, you know, he met with Putin.
Watch the movie.
You watch the movie about what my brother Jack said, and he's right.
So what I am is I'm all about peace and trying to figure out how to get out of this mess that we're in.
What we need right now in this country is we need a really, really strong leader.
The one funny thing about Trump And I could be his worst nightmare, actually, because I could have turned on him, but I didn't, because there was nothing there.
Unlike Mike Pence, that's it.
Yeah, Mike Pence is sorry.
But one of the things about Trump, one of his leadership traits, and this is kind of, if you really understand the art of the deal, this is a guy that uses uncertainty to his advantage, okay?
So he makes action, reaction, counteraction, right?
So he makes the other side of the line uncertain about what it's going to do.
So they have to have all kinds of options, right?
Yeah.
I mean, you got to, you know, the middle linebacker, the deep safety, he's got to, like, be really good, best in the league if you're going to deal with a guy like Trump.
Because he's looking this way.
You know, he's looking right, right, right, right, right.
He looks left.
And the guy's playing that, right?
And all of a sudden he looks left and he hesitates for that one second.
And a guy turns that way and he goes back deep to the right.
And boom, you have a long bomb, touchdown.
Trump has that level of uncertainty in his character.
And the media, the socialist, communist, Marxist left, they don't like that about him because they can't figure out.
They can't predict.
They can't predict.
And that's not a bad thing in warfare.
Interesting.
I know you have to get going here.
So, guys, we'll probably have to do a part two on this because I wanted to talk about the Obama administration and stuff like that, but we ran out of time.
So, General Flynn, can you tell the people where they can find you?
And we'll definitely do a part two.
Yeah.
So, first, I so appreciate, Myron, you and the team, Chris and Mo.
I would love them to watch the movie, Flynn, Deliver the Truth, whatever the cost.
You can get it on YouTube, stream it.
I think it's $3.99, if I'm not mistaken.
Maybe $4.99, but stream it.
Get a group together.
Believe me, you'll be blown away.
People will be blown away when you watch it.
You can also go to FlynnMovie.com.
We've got specials running right now for, you know, the elections, Thanksgiving, Christmas.
If you buy one DVD... You get a second one for free.
And on that DVD, there's three extra hours of, like, uncut footage that just blow you away.
And there's also a streaming chit that comes in it.
So that's a deal.
People can also follow me at GeneralFlynn.com.
GeneralFlynn.com.
I do at least one weekly newsletter every week.
And you can get it for free.
I've got all my back.
You know, every other thing I've ever written is on there.
GeneralFlynn.com.
And I just appreciate the American people's support.
I would not be able to sit here today with you, Myron, unless the American people came to my support.
I'd been destroyed.
We got your back, man.
You're a true patron, and we're going to stand by you.
Guys, here's General Flynn.
Please go support him.
Go get the documentary.
It's on YouTube.
I got it myself.
I watched it before the podcast.
Actually, watch it, so when I bring it back the second time, you guys are going to understand what we're going to talk about when we talk about the Obamas and the people that betrayed him and the sickness of the deep state.
But guys, go check him out.
We'll catch you guys back here with Brandon Carter in a few hours.
Love you guys.
Peace.
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