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Aug. 3, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Kali Muscle On Surviving A Life of Crime, Prison, And A Heart Attack!

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	Thank you.
	And we are live with the legend himself, Cali Muscle Guys.
	Let's get into it!
	Let's go. Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
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	That's where all of our content is.
	All the stuff that isn't necessarily as safe, the tough discussions, the Zoom calls, etc.
	It's all there at cowsclub.tv, man.
	Check us out over there.
	You want to support the mission.
	You want to keep us independent so that we don't have to necessarily rely on these...
	Platforms.
	These platforms.
	Check us out over there on CastleClub.tv.
	Also, guys, Yacht Party, August 10th.
	It's going to be next Saturday, okay?
	August 10th.
	It's going to be lit.
	9 p.m.
	to 1 a.m., 130 foot plus yacht.
	It's going to be three stories, open bar, bunch of hot girls.
	We're probably going to have easily 200 plus girls there.
	We got about 100 tickets or so for the guys, 100 to 150, depending on what it looks like.
	VIP is sold out.
	VIP is sold out already, guys.
	So tickets are on sale right now, ffpod.org.
	And you can only get in for the cheap price of only $9.98, man.
	You are never going to be able to get on a yacht that big with that many girls for that price point.
	Because I'll tell you this, with a thousand bucks, you can't even get your own yacht with a Cuban captain that's illegally here that can't speak English, bro.
	You have to be there with 13 ugly mid-girls, and you've got to find them yourself.
	We found them for you.
	It's going to be lit.
	We're going to be IRL streaming.
	We're going to have other influencers there.
	It's going to be a good-ass time, guys, so make sure to join in.
	EvanPod.org.
	Yacht Party is going to be lit.
	Aren't you going to take a picture of the Yacht or something like that?
	Yeah.
	Are you going to go check it out?
	We're going to go see it.
	When you're going.
	Oh, okay.
	So Fresh will make a video for you, ninjas, because Yacht is brand new.
	It literally got done, what, on the 30th?
	28th, but they're doing some more finishing stuff to it now.
	Okay, so we're going to be one of the first people to use this yacht, guys.
	Either way, we're going to be the first people on the yacht.
	Yeah, one of the first.
	So make sure to definitely get your tickets now, guys.
	$9.98, you ain't going to find a cheap price.
	And an open bar.
	That's the craziest part.
	So eventpod.org.
	We hope to see you guys there.
	But anyway, without further ado, we've got a special guest in the house, man.
	Callie Mosel, welcome to the Frustrated Podcast, man.
	We know who you are, but they don't know who you are.
	I'm an influencer, you know what I mean?
	Started from a bad beginning.
	Not, you know, just making bad choices or whatever.
	But thanks for having me.
	Firstly, I've been watching you guys' shows since you started.
	Oh, thank you.
	You know what I mean?
	It's my number one podcast.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	So I feel like I made it because I'm here.
	Well, we've been trying to get a hold of you and bring you on for like a year or two, bro.
	I don't know if Organic or Tall Guy told you, but like, bro, we've been trying to get you on for a minute.
	Uh-uh.
	I never knew it.
	So I never had my DMs open.
	Oh, that's what it was.
	I just now opened up my DMs when I started my program.
	Oh.
	That makes sense.
	Probably didn't want to deal with the headaches and shit like that.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Actually, yeah, I do remember DMing you and it was like not open for messages.
	Oh, no.
	I would have been on it.
	I would have been flew out here for this.
	Yeah, bro.
	We were trying to bring you on for years, man.
	For a minute, bro.
	Now we know.
	Yeah.
	Because I remember when we first tapped in with Tall Guy and Organic, you were one of the first people who were like, hey, can you get us in touch with Cali Muscle?
	Is that right?
	Yeah, bro.
	I would have been on here, bro.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're here now, which is great.
	So, yeah, bro.
	What's going on, man?
	Any updates?
	Oh, you know, today my last day of watermelon fast.
	Everybody that cop is like, all you gonna talk about is watermelon.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, it's the last day.
	And I almost fell out working out at Bussel Beach.
	Didn't have enough calories in my system and went crazy.
	Crazy, muscle-ups, pull-ups, and that Miami heat.
	Yeah, it's different.
	That's no joke.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I felt good, but I didn't know my body was overheating or whatever.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, it was an experience.
	Yeah, I'm sure.
	So you're a legend in the space of YouTube and fitness as well.
	How did you get started into fitness itself and then YouTube?
	So...
	When I got out of prison in 2006, a guy approached me and said he wanted to do a video of me doing pull-ups, working out or whatever.
	And at the time, I was a stripper.
	And so I was doing a lot of model mayhem stuff and videos.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's a nigga.
	I ain't heard that one.
	He was laying in the cuts with that one.
	So yeah, he did a video of me doing pull-ups.
	And so I read the comments.
	And I'm like, oh, they're saying I didn't do it military style.
	Let me do a muscle-up video.
	So I did a muscle-up video, and that went viral.
	And I just, I was an addict for the comments.
	So I was replying, doing reply videos, basically to the comments that the trolls would say.
	And this is what, 2006?
	So yeah, no, that was 2006.
	Let's see, seven, I got seven, eight.
	Okay.
	Literally, so like the beginning of YouTube.
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the first person I saw on YouTube was, uh, what do you call it?
	Fightin'.
	Uh, Kembo.
	Kembo Slice.
	Kembo Slice back in the day!
	Yeah, Kembo.
	Hey, yo!
	Oh, shit.
	Kimbo was the first video I saw.
	And so I started doing videos here and there, whatever.
	It got monetized.
	Then I started bodybuilding in 2009.
	Okay.
	Because a guy told me I had genetics and, you know, all I had to do is...
	Because I was anti-steroid supplements, everything.
	At this point?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I was about 33, 34 at the time.
	And...
	And so he told me, oh, you would kill them in bodybuilding.
	You make a lot of money like Ronnie and Jay and Flex.
	We're all these guys.
	And I was making a lot of money at the time shipping Ecstasy to Denver.
	Oh, shit.
	So I'm like, shit, I might as well invest in myself.
	You know what I mean?
	And so I did my first bodybuilding show in 2009.
	And one out of 25 motherfuckers.
	I didn't know what I was doing.
	I was just reading stuff on the internet, getting all the steroid books, and I became a studier.
	Were you even on gear at this point when you won that show?
	No.
	No, when I did that show, what happened was I went to a show and Jay Cutler made me look like a little boy.
	Okay.
	And I'm like, oh, I was popping pills at the time, a stripper and drinking.
	And so I went to this show and he made me look bad.
	And I threw all...
	I'm like, oh, no, I ain't about to let this...
	Cut all that shit.
	Yeah.
	And you start the gear.
	Uh-huh.
	So...
	Let's go back a little bit because you have a very interesting story, right?
	For people that aren't familiar with your story.
	You had ex-con to icon the book.
	I remember seeing that because I've seen your content since the early 2000s, 2010s, right?
	You're one of the first big fitness influencers.
	But let's go back to why you went to prison in the first place.
	And your upbringing and stuff.
	Can you tell us a little bit about that?
	Where you grew up and what led to you going to jail the first time?
	Yeah.
	So I grew up in a middle-class home.
	My mom was a nurse.
	My stepdad was a...
	Wait, a nurse?
	Uh-huh.
	My mom was a nurse.
	Oh, that's that?
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	So, yeah, my pops, my stepfather had his own auto body shop.
	My birth dad, my biological, he was a Jim Jones survivor.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Jonestown Massacre survivor.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	If you look up, my birth name is Chuck Kirkendall, and I'm a junior.
	I changed my name in 2009 to Kylie Muscle Kirkendall.
	And so, yeah, grew up in a middle class home.
	Moms had and pops had like three, four, five cars at a time.
	We had the best looking house.
	Nice.
	This is in California?
	Yeah, Oakland, California.
	Oakland, California.
	Yeah.
	This is the 80s, 70s at this point?
	So yeah, in the 80s.
	I was born in 75.
	Okay.
	So this was the 80s.
	My neighborhood was a big drug area.
	Uh, kids, 12 years old had Mercedes Benzes.
	Oh no way.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	So I grew up in this era, dressing nice, looking nice, big donkey chains and you know, and so, uh, my problem happened because my mother didn't believe in giving the money.
	And so I became a avid gambler or whatever, shooting dice and things like that.
	I went to high school and I wanted to be like my older brother.
	He was four years older than me, a genius, 4.5 student.
	He ended up going to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo on an engineering scholarship.
	And so I was Mr.
	Everything.
	I was a senior class president, graduated 3.83 overall, GPA in the newspaper for sports, football, wrestling, track.
	And what happened, my senior year...
	So this is 1993 now, fast forwarding.
	Right, so 1993, my senior year, my brother committed suicide.
	Okay.
	That changed me.
	I went dark.
	I was a youth pastor, believed in God, preached God, and I stopped believing in God, kind of, when that happened.
	How did he pass?
	Was it natural causes?
	No, he shot himself, killed himself, suicide.
	And this was my everything.
	He was my idol, you know.
	And so I went dark.
	I was on my way to Fresno State with a full academic athletic scholarship.
	So I went to school with a chip on my shoulder, angry.
	What sport did you play?
	Football.
	I got recruited for football to Fresno State.
	You said you went dark?
	Yeah, I just, I went like, to the point where I just had tunnel vision.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	Everything, nothing else mattered.
	I just was working out, training for football, and I'm like, I'm going to the NFL if it killed me.
	I thought you meant darker than me.
	Hey, man.
	Oh, my hand darker than yours.
	Yeah, okay, okay, a little bit, yeah.
	I don't know about that, that's that Miami sun being down that face, man.
	So you really, you started grinding, went to school.
	Yeah, I went to Fresno and got in a financial bind and asked my coach, asked my mother.
	They denied me.
	And I had a pistol laying around and the devil got in my head.
	So this is what, 94, 95 now at this point?
	This is 94.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I was in college a year and a half.
	I was in my sophomore year of college.
	Yeah.
	So the devil got in my head and I went...
	19 years old now?
	Yeah, 19.
	Went on a robbery spree by myself and ended up going on a run.
	And my parents were like, you can go on a run the rest of your life or you can deal with it young.
	So I turned myself in back to Fresno.
	How many people did you rob at this point?
	Did you rob stores?
	Did you rob people individually?
	No, just people at the ATMs.
	Okay, so they go there, ATMs, you just pop up out of nowhere.
	Exactly.
	Clean out your account.
	Exactly, yeah.
	And I got the idea of that from watching the news as a kid.
	Okay.
	Critiquing, you know, and I can see how people are to critique the news and think you know how to do a crime or whatever.
	How many robberies did you do before the police started catching up to you?
	I just did a few, like three.
	Nothing made it.
	It was like, I didn't know what the hell I was...
	You know, God was spanking me, you know, immediately.
	And I'm glad for it.
	So yeah, so I ended up catching the case of an armed robbery.
	Fighting it in county jail, Fresno County.
	Ended up taking it to trial, losing.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	And so they ended up giving me seven years, and I was institutionalized, bro, my first week in prison.
	I was already swole, 190, so everybody was looking at me as a shot caller.
	So I loved the power.
	And people ask me, you know, how did you like prison?
	Because my life was structured.
	Football, wrestling, track, church, go to college, then the fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha.
	And it was just my whole life was structured.
	So when I got to jail, I'm like, oh, I felt like I belonged there.
	It was weird.
	Yeah.
	Because you're already used to waking up early and having lunch at this time, dinner at this time, working out this time, all that.
	So how did you acclimate to being in prison in California, which, please correct me if I'm wrong, the 90s was a different time, where it's like, from what I understand, the California state prison system is run by gangs and colored, right?
	Like, if you're a black, you're with the blacks.
	If you're a Latino, you're with the Latinos.
	If you're white, you're with the whites and the gangs.
	Obviously, California is the birthplace of the modern-day gangs we know today, Bloods, Crips, etc.
	Exactly.
	Like, how do you navigate that as a guy that wasn't really a street guy?
	You were educated.
	You went to school.
	You know, you just made a couple robberies here.
	How do you navigate that and kind of keep yourself out of getting stabbed or shanked?
	California prisons are easy.
	Okay.
	You just got to play your card.
	So I went in as a Muslim.
	I started practicing Islam.
	And so I learned how to read and write Arabic like in 60 days.
	So they made me a mirror already.
	I was 19 going on 20.
	I was like the top dog.
	I was as swole as they had seen already.
	And I just had that presence of a leader.
	And so I went to prison as a mirror.
	So when I got to Delano State Prison, I was a top dog.
	And, you know, I ran, did Juma services, everything.
	Okay.
	And so, yeah, so I did that for three years.
	Do you think being a convert, like, that kept you away from a lot of the bullshit and the gang activity?
	No.
	And then, obviously, your size as well?
	No.
	You have a choice.
	As a black guy in prison, especially, I was from the Bay Area, but I was in Southern California prisons.
	I was from the North, and so...
	No, so prison is for blacks.
	Mm-hmm.
	If you mind your business, you can go.
	Ain't nobody gonna press you.
	But for other races, white, Mexican, you gotta join up.
	You gotta join up.
	So yeah, blacks, we have it easier than other races.
	Were there any booty warriors?
	So, you know, it's funny.
	I hear all those stories.
	I never heard of nobody getting raped.
	I never heard nobody screaming in the cell.
	You gotta think, when I went in the 90s, you had trannies coming into the prison system.
	You got gays that prostitute themselves.
	Ain't nobody taking no booty like that in California.
	I hear about other states, though.
	So California isn't as bad as they say.
	If you stick to yourself, obviously you're a Muslim, and then you are like a religious leader as well.
	And you're educated, so people are going to respect you more because you're not like a bumbling moron like a lot of people that are in prison.
	And you're big, so they don't want to mess with you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, were you cool?
	Like, were you just neutral?
	Like, the Latinos, the black gangs, the white gangs, etc.
	Like, you just were neutral?
	You were, like, cordial with everybody?
	Nobody fucked with you?
	So, what happened was, no, nobody messed with you.
	I never had no problems, bro.
	No fights, no stabbing?
	No, yeah, eventually.
	Once I became a gang leader.
	Oh, tell us about that.
	Yeah, so I went from a Muslim.
	I got this saying, Quentin, and I seen it was fake.
	They was doing dope.
	They was messing with, you know, them boys or whatever.
	And so I'm like, all my friends I grew up with was in this gang called Kumi 415.
	Okay.
	So they was begging me, man, come on over here and run this.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, we don't have no good leaders.
	And so I was like, you make me a shot caller with a high-ranking position, I will.
	And so I ended up going to the hole and I transferred over from practicing Islam to running this game.
	They gave me a high-ranking position.
	And that's when all hell broke loose.
	Like, I was dealing with, you know, these guys doing drugs.
	They just into everything.
	And so, yeah, so I became the shot caller of Kumi 4 and 5, and that's when we were getting the riots.
	And that's a black game, right?
	Yeah.
	It's a spinoff from Black Gorilla Family, BGF and Black Panthers.
	Okay.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	And so the founders were Black Panthers.
	Because BGF was so hardcore and coming down on Blacks, they were like, oh, we need a spin-off to save the ones that's not a part of BGF. Okay.
	So that's what I became a part of.
	How often were you getting in fights at this point?
	Because obviously there's going to be a target on your back if you're the top guy.
	So...
	The top guy didn't let you know he was the top guy.
	Okay.
	That was like our thing.
	So you had never seen me in meetings.
	You had never seen me grouped up with the guys.
	So we was looked at, you know, these was OG Black Panthers.
	So they knew how to structure.
	They're like, nah, the head dude, never be seen with these guys.
	Don't congregate and meet with them or nothing.
	So I was, because, you know, in prison, like you say, Take the head off the body of fall.
	That was the ideology.
	And so, yeah, no, I was good with that.
	And I would even act like I'm just a regular sometimes.
	Like I'm a regular foot soldier or whatever, you know.
	But it was, bro, it was, I'm just being honest, it was fun.
	Really?
	Oh shit, okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was young, swole, had a ton of power, and prison was fun.
	Shit.
	And so, yeah, that's why I went back about four times.
	Did you get in a lot of fights?
	Like how many fights did you get in when you were in?
	I didn't get in many.
	So only time I got in a fight is when I wanted to set an example with my own.
	Okay.
	Well, like if they bucking the rules, and when I did that, it was a friend of mine.
	So you beat up a member?
	And it would be my friend.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, stabbed or beat up or whatever because I had to let people know.
	You know, it's crazy because they'd be like, you calling shots, but you ain't putting no work.
	Yeah.
	So they'll start looking at you like that.
	So I always, probably once a year, did something stupid to let them know that I put in work or whatever.
	So it was something else, man.
	So you go in first in 93, 94.
	94.
	94.
	Because you committed the crimes in 93.
	You go to trial.
	No, I did it in 94.
	Committed in 94.
	The crimes in 94.
	Went to trial, all that, within a year.
	Yeah.
	Boom, you're in.
	And then you said you got seven years?
	Seven years?
	Uh-huh.
	Did you do all seven?
	I did all seven.
	Straight?
	Straight.
	94 to 2001.
	Damn.
	Because San Quentin, it was so much fun popping up.
	I'm going to the hole all the time.
	Yeah.
	I was in there with Jeffrey Dahmer.
	You said Jeffrey Dahmer?
	No, not Jeffrey.
	Night Stalker was in a sale right next to you.
	Oh, shit!
	Richard Ramirez!
	Hey, yo!
	That's my biggest story with San Quentin, man.
	I was next to him and I had goosebumps the whole damn time.
	I got some questions on that.
	For those that are unaware, Who we were talking about, guys, was the Night Stalker from the 1980s.
	Not the Golden State Killer, the original Night Stalker.
	The Night Stalker that they have the Netflix series on, Richard Ramirez, who killed a bunch of people.
	And he was a strange serial killer because he killed them with guns, knives.
	He used anything that was in a house.
	He used a lot of tools in a house.
	And actually, gun sales, I think in the summer of 1980 in Los Angeles, soared because everyone was terrified of this fucking guy.
	So you were in with him.
	Did you ever meet him?
	Did you ever talk to him?
	Well, he was in a cell right next to me, and he would just...
	Different.
	He just pacing in a circle, just talking to himself and shit.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Had a harem of women.
	Like 50 broads would come see him at a time.
	Yo, people...
	Yo.
	It's real.
	That's facts.
	No, no.
	Because, because...
	Yo, when he went to trial, right?
	There were girls in the fucking courtroom going crazy.
	Him, Ted Bundy, etc.
	And this dude was sick.
	He killed kids, all this shit.
	But back then, they used to sensationalize serial killers.
	What's that term again called for people that like killers like that?
	There's a term, and only women have it.
	I know what you're talking about.
	Rolo Tomasi.
	Hybristophilia.
	Hybristophilia.
	There you go.
	Only women are attracted to that shit.
	That's so weird, bro.
	Like dangerous individuals like that.
	Was he smaller than you?
	Was he like small, frail?
	No, he was frail as hell.
	He was frail, the most palest human I ever saw.
	Tall, right?
	Like 6'1", 6'2", but very thin, yeah.
	He looked like a fucking 1980s rock star.
	Long hair, all that shit.
	So nobody beat him up?
	Yeah.
	So he went to the yard when I was in the hole.
	Because what they did, they put the people that went to the hole in with the death row inmates.
	Oh, yeah.
	East Block.
	It's called East Block.
	And so, yeah.
	And I met Tookie up in there before they executed Tookie Williams.
	So, yeah, it was a hell of an experience.
	I had to learn Swahili while I was in the hole because the blacks only spoke Swahili.
	Tuku Williams, the creator of the Crips?
	Yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	So you were in with some people.
	Oh, yeah.
	It was popping.
	So Richard Ramirez, he was sitting next to you.
	You said girls would come and visit him all the time.
	Oh, yeah.
	Every visit, like three, four times a week.
	Was it white girls, black girls, Asian girls?
	What?
	Uh-huh.
	It had to be white.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I can't say it had to be.
	Just saying, bro.
	And you said he got beat up.
	Like, what'd he get beat up for mostly?
	So what happened was he went to the yard the first time in his being there, like in 10 years.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Because they probably kept him...
	Did they keep him in ISO or whatever?
	Nah, nah.
	He was a general pop.
	Yeah, he had a choice of going to...
	In a death row in the hole, it's like a cage, maybe as big as this room, where they let the death row inmates go at one time if they want to go to the yard.
	And they could do push-ups and work out and talk.
	So he took his chance.
	He took his shot.
	He went out there, and they got on him immediately.
	Stuck him a few times.
	Stabbed him, punched him.
	Who beat him up?
	Was it the black gangs or the Hispanic gang?
	Was it because he was famous?
	Was it because he had chicks?
	Was it because he had rape people in the past?
	Okay, because he fucked with kids, right?
	Yeah, and that's why they fucked him up.
	Because other than that, if you don't rape as kids, people don't really care about women getting raped or none of that, because you don't know the story, you don't know the details.
	So anything with kids, you're getting had.
	So they were basically away from because he killed kids.
	He kidnapped kids, yeah.
	He actually left one of the...
	If you watch that documentary with the Night Stalker, the first victim, the witness that comes in and tells her story, she was a kid when he kidnapped her and sexually assaulted her.
	She actually survived.
	He kidnapped her from her...
	Yeah, he broke it.
	That's why they call her the Night Stalker.
	He'd break into the house, he kidnapped her, brought her back to his place, assaulted her for a couple days, then he actually let her live.
	So, yeah.
	What's wrong with these people, man?
	Bro, serial killers, man.
	They're on different timing.
	Oh, so he got tampered with as a kid, right?
	Yes, he did.
	I think so.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	So they ended up catching him.
	They caught him off of a New Balance sneaker, if I'm not mistaken.
	He had bought a very unique...
	Pair of sneakers and it was a ten and a half.
	And the detectives were able to figure out what store he bought it from, what day he bought it from based on the make of it because he left a footprint of this sneaker.
	And they were tracing back to that purchase because I think he had used a credit card or something like that to buy it and that's one of the ways they identified him.
	Even back then, huh?
	Yeah.
	Yo, I ain't never wear no more New Balance, bro.
	Fuck that shit, nigga.
	Yeah.
	And then also witness that because he had really bad teeth and really bad hygiene, one of the things that a lot of the victims remembered was his fucking smell, too.
	And a dirty-ass ACDC hat.
	Guys!
	Working hygiene, man.
	You get caught like Richard Ramirez.
	That's fucking crazy that you were locked up with him.
	Did you ever speak a word to the guy or no?
	No.
	Oh hell no.
	So basically he paced around in his room, talked to himself.
	Bitches would come visit him.
	Are conjugal visits allowed in California?
	They are, right?
	Yeah.
	As long as you don't have no spousal abuse or anything alone that beating a woman or something like that.
	Like crimes of domestic violence.
	Right.
	Can you explain to people real quick what conjugal visits are?
	Oh yeah, so that's like, you know, if you're married or get married, they let you go, I believe it's every four months.
	You can go on a date with your wife.
	In a room for about three days, two to three days.
	And, you know, make love.
	You can make love.
	Have a baby.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's something that only a few states have it.
	It's conjugal visits.
	And it's only available at the state level.
	The feds don't allow it.
	California's one of the few states that allows it.
	So, interesting.
	So he probably had conjugal visits with all these chicks.
	No, he couldn't.
	He couldn't because he wasn't married to him.
	He was on death row.
	Oh, he was on death row.
	Uh-huh.
	You're right.
	Well.
	And then you said, what was it like?
	Did you ever talk to Tukey Williams?
	No, I just seen him walk in the yard.
	And, yeah, I seen him walk in the yard.
	Everybody, they get quiet.
	They go, Tukey.
	But there was a whole lot of other cats that, you know, were weird too.
	A lot of other big names that was there.
	Did anyone try Tukey when you were there?
	No, hell no.
	Who else were you locked up with that was, you got some fucking celebs already.
	Well, who else was there?
	A few rappers.
	Rappin' Forte was there.
	He was from the Bay Area.
	I'm trying to think.
	Tupac, maybe?
	I don't know who that is.
	Tupac got arrested.
	I think he was in jail.
	No, he was in jail probably in New York.
	He was in New York.
	Yeah, he was in New York.
	Well, it was quite a few other guys.
	But it's funny, me in prison...
	It was kind of a blur now.
	When I wrote my book, it was the most difficult to remember the prison stuff.
	Gotcha.
	We're looking at 30 plus years ago.
	I wrote my book in 2000.
	I just looked it up.
	11.
	Yep.
	2012.
	So that was only a few years I had been out at that point.
	And I still had forgot a lot about, you know, names and just...
	I knew I could still tell you which prisons I went to what year, but names and all that stuff.
	Which one was the worst?
	Because I'm assuming while you were doing your seven years, like, they were moving you around the state, right?
	By choice.
	I wanted to break it up.
	So every year I wanted to try to move somewhere.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Was there like a reason you maybe you didn't like like the...
	Just tired of the environment.
	Oh yeah.
	Shit.
	You're the first person I think that we brought on that said like, jail wasn't that bad.
	Nah, it was fun to me.
	Okay.
	Until the last time I went.
	Okay, so 94 to 2000, roughly.
	2001.
	2001.
	And then you went back a second time?
	No, I went back four times.
	Oh shit, let's go through it.
	Yeah, so I got out in 2001.
	I became a stripper, personal trainer, and I was making good money.
	But then my money dipped.
	I got in a drug game.
	And I was in jail within...
	I went back to jail from doing seven years and 11 months.
	I caught another case, a drug case.
	And to be clear, you were selling the product more than doing it.
	Right, selling.
	What were you selling at that point?
	Crack.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Legit crack?
	You ever tried it?
	Hell no!
	The only drug I ever tried was ecstasy.
	Well, okay, this is early 2000s, right?
	So, I mean, crack can be extremely profitable because you're able to break it down.
	Crack cocaine?
	Yeah, crack way more.
	I mean, cocaine is more expensive, of course, but if you know what you're doing with the crack and you've got good cocaine to base from, you can...
	Stretch that crack, make a bunch of fucking money.
	So I was a shot caller, so I could get an unlimited amount of kilos.
	Okay.
	So I was getting the kilos, busting it down, cooking it, and dispersing it to all my gang members.
	Oh, shit.
	All right, let's talk about that real quick, because I used to work in law enforcement.
	This stuff always fascinates me when I'm able to sit across from a former drug dealer.
	Oh, yeah.
	So...
	Who's your connect?
	Was it like the Mexicans that got it to you?
	Okay, that makes sense.
	So, at the time, were you still up in Oakland at this point?
	Yeah, I'm still in Oakland.
	At the house I grew up in, at my mother, in the neighborhood, that same neighborhood.
	So, how many keys were you getting a month, roughly?
	So, I was able to get...
	Each time I met up with my guys, every three, four days I was getting five kilos.
	You get three to five keys every three to five days?
	Yeah.
	What the fuck?
	I was yanking, bro.
	How much were you paying per key at this point?
	So they would give them to me on consignment.
	Oh.
	And I would give them 15.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And I was busting them down to, I was getting about 40 off each one.
	So, were you getting them on full consignment, or were you just coming up with half of the time?
	No, full consignment.
	Okay, so you were buying them for $15, but they'd give it to you for consignment.
	Uh-huh.
	I didn't even have to buy it.
	They just don't give them to me, huh?
	Give us our $15 off each one when you're done.
	For the audience out there, drugs on consignment basically is like, he had such a good reputation that he was able to get rid of the product and pay them back, where...
	They would front him to drugs up front.
	And he was able to go ahead, do what he needed to do, and then all he had to do was, you're just responsible for paying 15 per kilo back.
	No money down.
	No money down.
	Which in the drug game, you gotta be somebody to be able to get kilos on consignment.
	So, damn!
	Bro, what the fuck?
	Three to five days you were getting that many kilos.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Holy shit.
	Because I had the whole Bay Area.
	Okay.
	So I was a shot caller for the whole Bay Area.
	I'd go to Frisco, get him some, Oakland, and so I'd make my rounds.
	Did you ever get caught?
	Yeah, I went back three times.
	I got called every time.
	I mean, now I'm going to use some Fed terms here.
	You're basically a regional distributor.
	If you're getting that much cocaine, and you're getting it pure, I'm assuming, straight from the board.
	They're driving it probably from San Diego.
	With the Mercedes-Benz stamp on it every time.
	Oh, wow.
	Real quick for the audience.
	If you're getting kilos with a stamp on it, that means it's coming straight from the cartel.
	And that typically means that that's their stamp of, like, this is pure.
	Because in Mexico, they don't step on it.
	They give it to you 100% pure.
	You do what the fuck you're going to do with it once you get it to the States.
	Okay.
	So you being in North Cali, yeah, you're a regional distributor.
	So you probably had all of Alameda County, right?
	San Fran, Oakland, all that.
	All the way up to Sacramento.
	How many guys do you have working under you at this point?
	Bro, you gotta think, Kumi had thousands.
	So I had about, me personally, I was dealing with about a hundred guys, but they would disperse it.
	So you get the three or five keys every three or five days.
	What was the first thing you were doing once you get the product?
	Oh, I'd bust it down, cook it.
	I dry cooked it, though.
	Yeah, my boy.
	You and your boy, you would cook it.
	You'd put it up in the little bag.
	Dude, that must have taken a lot of time.
	Oh, it did.
	Fuck.
	Well, and I didn't last long.
	So I believe...
	Because you didn't trust nobody?
	Is that why you did it yourself?
	Of course.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ultimately, I've always been a loner.
	Okay.
	Ultimately, yeah.
	I did robberies by myself.
	I just did everything by myself.
	YouTube, I used to do that by myself.
	Film myself, edit, everything.
	So yeah.
	That's fucking crazy that you did that.
	Yeah.
	Like the fact that you would get the product that much, break it down yourself, cook it yourself, and just have one helper.
	Yeah.
	And then you would basically give it to your guys ready to go packaged.
	Exactly.
	And that's...
	I was my most violent during this time as well.
	Of course, yeah.
	Because I dispersed it to these guys and they come up with these excuses.
	And, you know, I got to pay somebody that $15,000.
	And you got to pay the Mexicans.
	You got to direct connect.
	Exactly.
	So it wasn't worth it.
	You know, I seen Scarface like everybody else thinking, oh, I got some kilos.
	I'm going to get rich.
	So how much were you making at this point now?
	Like a month?
	Because if you're getting...
	$20,000?
	$25,000?
	He's got to be making way more.
	To be honest, I didn't even see the money.
	Really?
	Well, because I'm making it, but I got cars with rims, music, dudes talking about, oh, I'm short 5,000.
	I'm like, bro, this ain't like the movie Scarface.
	I ain't making shit.
	Really?
	This is blackface.
	Exactly.
	Literally.
	So, damn.
	So, you were...
	Because you're getting every three to five days.
	You said you're getting three to five.
	You're getting like over $50,000 worth of product.
	Oh, yeah.
	Right?
	So you're responsible for that.
	I mean, a month, you're responsible for paying probably $300,000 back.
	If you're getting them every three to five days, $50,000, I mean, roughly.
	Five to 15...
	Nah, about 75k.
	A month you were responsible for paying back.
	A week.
	75k a week.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	So that's 150 roughly?
	Yeah.
	And then, yeah, 300 a month.
	Uh-huh.
	300k a month.
	That shit didn't last long.
	Okay.
	It was like they had a tracking device in me.
	I didn't last three, four months doing that.
	In that position?
	Yeah.
	Like, when you got back out the second time, like, did you just immediately start doing this kilo-level stuff?
	Yeah.
	Or did you, like, slow...
	Uh-huh.
	Right...
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	I had to super...
	So when I caught that case...
	When I went in, I got a whole big connection.
	Okay, alright.
	That's what I was going to ask next.
	How the hell did you...
	For the audience to understand, bro, if you're getting kilos on consignment, you appear with a stamp on it, you have a direct connection to Mexico.
	You're not getting that off of...
	So you met someone in prison then?
	Yeah.
	Well, I was the shot caller of my gang, so they already had it tied in with the North Daniels.
	Because, you know, in Northern California, blacks and Mexicans run together.
	It's not like Southern California where you got Serenios and they're against blacks.
	So it is different in Northern California.
	Gotcha.
	So you're getting stuff, so you're only able to pay back your people and make a little bit of money on the side, but it was headaches, money getting lost.
	Yeah, it was terrible.
	And you got caught.
	Who, I mean, at this point, if you're doing that much, bro, you had to have been on the Fed's radar.
	Who picked you up when you got arrested for this?
	So it was the Oakland police.
	I was in on my mother's street.
	And guess what they put on me?
	Third player.
	You ever heard of that?
	No.
	What's that?
	What does that mean?
	A three-strike rule?
	No.
	They called me to...
	They put two of these cases on me.
	Same police.
	They said, I'm just standing out there and a dope fiend come up and I just look at my boy and be like, server.
	So they called it a third player.
	And so, yeah, that's why I went the second time to prison for that.
	How much did they, so did they get you, like, what did they actually get you on?
	Like, we know that you were dealing with kills, but like, did they get you on conspiracy?
	Did they get you on some...
	Right, it's a conspiracy.
	So they never got you a product.
	No.
	Uh-uh.
	They just...
	Yeah, well.
	Uh-huh.
	So they call it third player.
	Someone fucking snitched.
	That's how we...
	Well, no.
	They just wanted me off the street.
	Yeah.
	So Oklahoma Police was dirty just when they had the rioters.
	And so I had a law...
	I ended up having a lawsuit on Oklahoma Police because they whooped me a couple of times or whatever.
	Uh-huh.
	And, yeah, they would just...
	They was on me.
	They had my number.
	Okay.
	You don't think anyone snitched on you, though, for them to get you on conspiracy?
	No.
	No, because that's the little game they was running.
	They saw me tell somebody to sell dope.
	Okay, so like a detective testified and said that shit.
	Right, exactly.
	So then you went in the second time.
	How long did you go in for that one?
	So they gave me a parole and probation violation, so I ended up doing 16 months on that case.
	And then got out, said I never sell dope again, started pimping.
	Okay.
	What year is this now that you're out?
	This is 2002?
	So this is 2003, the third time.
	Okay.
	When I got out, called myself a pimp.
	I was still stripping and pimping.
	I had personal training.
	So you were like a legit pimp, right?
	Yeah.
	I did it for two years.
	Wasn't no money in it.
	Yeah, so let's talk about that real quick.
	People tend to think that like, oh my god, everyone's getting human trafficked.
	But the reality is a lot of times it's just prostitutes and pimps, man.
	And it's an angry prostitute that didn't get paid or she had a fight with her pimp.
	She's like, I'm being human trafficked.
	And then you call the police and they're like, never mind, I love him.
	So it's like a lot of the times these big human trafficking rings that they bust are simply just prostitution rings.
	There's a lot of pimps in Miami too, though.
	Yeah, quite a few.
	I guess, what was it like transitioning from drugs to the pimp game?
	What did you like about it, dislike about it?
	So I liked that I'd have to ride around with kilos in the trunk.
	Yeah, that's scary.
	Take a hundred year chance.
	Thank God that DEA never caught you or anything, bro.
	Yeah, I know.
	Dealing kilos?
	Fuck.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So yeah, it was a headache though, you know, having all those women, because I wasn't a natural talker.
	I didn't like to talk unless I had to.
	So when I got into pimpin', I had to talk just sporadically, even when I didn't want to have to.
	Daddy, what's this, that?
	I just had to make up something, you know.
	Listen, you dumb hoe!
	It's this!
	X, Y, Z. - Exactly. - Now shut up and get back in the car.
	- Fuck, bitch slap you ho. - Exactly. - Clock on punch. - That was somebody else. - So you had to do a lot of that.
	So I mean, it was something different.
	It just wasn't enough money for me.
	You know, you got to manage getting a hotel, getting their nails done, clothes, risk your life.
	My first time pipping.
	Oh yeah, because you're responsible for protecting them.
	Exactly.
	So you the Uber driver, you the security, everything.
	My first night having my first hoe, she called me up like, uh, this dude about to put me in the van.
	You know, we in Oakland.
	Like, about to kidnap me.
	And he had her.
	So I pulled up.
	Exactly.
	That's just how I did.
	I pulled up, and the Lexus LS400, hey, let my hoe go.
	He had a big black nigga, too, about 6'7".
	He had the hoe by the wrist, and she looking like, you gonna help me?
	So I just whipped out the 40 cal, like, bro, let my hoe go.
	And he was like, next time this hoe Google, I'ma hide the hoe.
	I'm like, I'm about to go to prison.
	For this broad, I don't even know.
	What was the transaction supposed to be even worth that?
	100 bucks?
	50 bucks?
	No, so what happened is she was staring at him.
	Google out.
	Next time you hold Google out, I'm going to hide the hoe.
	So she was just looking and he walked up on her and she looked him in the eyes.
	Okay.
	And then a pimp take that as...
	Oh, so they weren't even trying to hook up.
	He just didn't like the way she stared at him.
	Right.
	Because she was on the street.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so he was a pimp too?
	Yeah.
	Gorilla pimp.
	He had a van down the street and everything, just throwing holes in it.
	Did that create problems for you, like, I guess in the future, that now you had this other pimp here that you had pulled a gun out on?
	Nah.
	Because I told him...
	I name-dropped my gang.
	Okay.
	I'm like, man, I'm going to call me 415, let my hoe go.
	And he's like, all right, I'm going to let her go this time.
	Next time the hoe look at me, I'm going to have her.
	Gotcha.
	And I'm like, first day.
	And I'm like, I'm about to risk my life for this chick I don't really even know.
	And it was just, it made me.
	So I started telling people the story that the hoe's the one that went in.
	She got security.
	A dummy like me about to protect her life.
	About to bail her out.
	She go to jail.
	Her Uber driver giving her money.
	And she tucking money.
	You don't even know how much she really making.
	They winning.
	It ain't the guy's fault.
	Unless you beating a woman or something like that.
	The hoes win until they get old.
	How long were you doing this for, where you experimented with the pimp game?
	Two years.
	Oh shit.
	How much were you making roughly a month?
	Was it like weight?
	Profiting.
	Yeah.
	We could go gross and then profiting.
	So you figure I was only profiting.
	So if a hoe bring me back $500 a night, I'm putting at least $350 back in tour.
	Hotel room, clothes, food.
	How many girls did you have working for you?
	The most I ever had was five at one time.
	That's got to be a headache.
	Oh, I stayed with a headache.
	So you figure out of that five, I was only making profit maybe $150, $200?
	Yeah.
	Per girl.
	Right.
	And that is nothing.
	A month.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	After putting into the $350 or whatever for their room and board, their clothes, their food, and all that.
	So you're making like $1K a month?
	No, so that'd be a day when I had five.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay.
	So you were making how much a month then would you say at this point?
	Grossing and then you could say profiting.
	Yeah, maybe about 25, 30.
	Okay.
	But that shit going so fast, bro.
	Yeah.
	So you're only profiting maybe 10?
	Maybe 10 profiting?
	Yeah, if that.
	You know what's crazy?
	OnlyFab's managers now make thousands of dollars, millions, without the risk and danger.
	Not even half that much work.
	Because you're right.
	They're in the crib on a computer just texting.
	Because what you mentioned, you're making $20K, but you're really profiting $10K, but that doesn't account for all the hours that you're working.
	Because you're right.
	You're driving them around.
	Uber isn't a thing.
	It's the fucking early 2000s.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You're housing them, feeding them, all this other shit.
	Did you keep them all in one house?
	Hotels.
	So each woman had their own hotel room.
	Oh, wow.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You ain't hardly making no bread.
	You're putting it back into her.
	Because you can't put them bras together.
	Some of them crackheads, heroin.
	All of them was dopeheads.
	Yeah.
	Can we see your pimp slap hand?
	What?
	Backhand.
	What?
	Okay, okay, there you go.
	Paul Cohen.
	Paul.
	I love it.
	Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
	Okay, I like that.
	So if you had to, so what was, I guess.
	So the negative, I guess, is you made way less money.
	Would you say it was riskier and more dangerous than the joke game?
	It was.
	Because I didn't like being out at night.
	And I had to be out at night.
	And when I started pimping, old school pimps call it tennis shoe pimping.
	We gotta sometimes just sit in the car, watch, make sure nobody kidnap.
	Because in Oakland, they guerrilla pimping.
	They kidnapping your bros.
	So you gotta be out there, make sure nobody kidnap them and riding around.
	So the drug game was way better, in your opinion?
	Yeah.
	No, the pimp game was more fun because you could go to a, you know, play pool down the street or, you know, you ain't got a rider.
	Bro, I was extreme with everything.
	So when I was in the drug game, I have a...
	Uzi, which I already signed a thing that would never get caught with a gun again.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So if I got caught...
	You're coming at this point.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	So I'm riding around with Uzis and guns, and bro, it was just...
	And I was so dumb, I have a Lexus or something shiny with...
	24s.
	Yeah.
	Riding around with a gun and doping that.
	Yep.
	And you mentioned that this is where you were getting really violent.
	Yeah.
	So were you more violent when you were doing the drug game or the pimp game?
	Oh, no, not the pimp.
	I was too swole to be smacking up hoes.
	Okay.
	I'd be under a prison.
	Yeah.
	So the drug game is like, because these dudes wouldn't pay you back.
	Right.
	So you would be fucking them up.
	Yeah.
	And it was my own that I was messing up the most because that's all I dealt with was the people that was in my gang.
	So they thought they could kind of maybe take your niceness.
	Exactly.
	Because you wouldn't.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	So you did that for two years.
	You got busted for that.
	No.
	Oh, what'd you get busted for then?
	So I got busted.
	It got slow.
	So I called him my home.
	It got slow.
	I called up my homie and asked him, he was in the heroin game, so I got some heroin from him.
	I didn't know what I was doing with no heroin.
	Completely different drug class.
	Yeah, well, and I got snitched on that I had that and a gun on me, and I got in a high-speed chase with the Oakland police.
	And so I got away.
	I had the whole Oakland police force on me.
	And so I got away.
	They knew it was me.
	It was the same police that put the past case on me.
	The conspiracy drug case?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Same police.
	I dealt three cases with him, with his crew.
	Some probably narcotics group in the PD. Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so...
	Got away.
	They knew it was me.
	They put a tracking device in the car.
	My mom went and got the car.
	Put it up for three months.
	The day I took that car out of storage.
	This is 2006.
	You know what's funny?
	They didn't need a warrant before to put a tracker in your car.
	Then a case came out, U.S. versus Jones, and they switched it where you needed to get a search warrant to put a tracker in a car.
	So they put that tracker in your car without a warrant back then.
	Yeah.
	Huge case law.
	Yeah, so they put a track device in.
	As soon as I took that car out of storage, they got me that day.
	So this is 06.
	So you do the pimp game.
	Things get slow.
	Get a key of heroin.
	A little heroin.
	It wasn't a key.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They chase you down.
	They're able to figure out.
	They knew who you were.
	Put a track in the car.
	Catch you again.
	So you went down the second time for, I'm assuming, heroin?
	No, this is the fourth.
	This is my fourth and last time.
	Robbery, drugs, and then what was the third time you went there?
	Robbery, drugs, drugs again, and then high speed chase.
	Okay, so you went in for the heroin, and then they caught you again for the chase.
	No, so the heroin and the high-speed chaser was the same case.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	And gun.
	Okay.
	So what happened was, yeah, I get in the high-speed chaser, I throw the heroin out the window as I'm on the freeway.
	They didn't find that, and I got away.
	I couldn't get the gun out the hider spot.
	Gotcha.
	So when they apprehended the car, they got the gun.
	Gotcha.
	So I had my mother go get the car, and they let her have it and put it up in storage.
	And the day, three months later, I got it out, they got on me.
	Okay, and you got hit with the gun and the drugs?
	No.
	The drugs was gone.
	They didn't find that.
	Okay, just the gun.
	High-speed chase.
	And the gun.
	Right.
	I'm curious to know, when you sold drugs, who were your customers?
	My customers were my own gang members.
	I would give them sacks to sell.
	That's who my customers were.
	Who did they sell to?
	Like niggas?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Dope fiends, like in San Francisco.
	So he's the wholesaler?
	He gets it?
	And then he gives it to his people, and it's their job to distribute it and pay them back.
	They had their own fiends that they would sell to, but he would basically sell it to them.
	You need to give me back five.
	I'm curious who it was, like white people, black people, Hispanics?
	Oh, all nationalities.
	Oh, everybody.
	Yeah, we're in the Bay Area.
	It's a melting pot.
	Crack is going to be mostly black.
	Uh-huh.
	So, okay, so you went in the third time, right, for the gun and the high-speed chase.
	That's the fourth.
	Fourth time.
	Uh-huh.
	Counting up the robbery.
	Robbery.
	Robbery.
	Drugs.
	Dope again.
	Dope again, and then heroin and the chase.
	Uh-huh.
	So that's fourth.
	We didn't get to talk about the dope again then, the third one.
	I mean, kind of the same thing.
	What was it?
	Yeah, it was the same police, same thing.
	Okay, just a random drug charge?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then how long did you do for that third time?
	Every time was like a year.
	Okay.
	Violation, uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Shit.
	Alright, and then after that, that's the last time you got arrested.
	Now you're a changed man.
	You got out drugged the fourth time, hopefully.
	Yeah, so you got out drugged the fourth time of what year?
	2000?
	You said seven, right?
	At this point?
	Yeah.
	End of 2006, yeah, going into 2007.
	So cumulative time in prison, what are we thinking out here?
	11 years, cumulative between your four different bids.
	Yeah.
	You get out in 2007, and then what happened?
	And then we talked about, yeah, you had done some dancing.
	You were like, fuck this shit, though.
	I'm not going to fucking do the drug game anymore.
	You're bodybuilding.
	That's where we left off.
	Right.
	So 2007, I got out and got in a barbershop with one of my friends.
	Because I'm a barber as well.
	Damn, man, you're the jack of all trades, bro.
	You do everything, bro.
	I get down.
	Cali of all trades.
	So I went in the barbershop.
	That was going good.
	Some guys run up in there after about nine months of me being in there because me and my best friend that was in the barbershop with me, we had big cars on big rims, had chicks running in and out.
	And guys was getting jealous.
	Ran up in there, laid everybody down.
	And I was in the back.
	I seen them coming in and went in the back.
	And then when they was robbing my boys, I was like, I can't let them just get killed or something like that.
	So I came out.
	They laid us down.
	And I couldn't deal with it.
	So I went on the rampage.
	Well, and so that brought me back into the streets.
	Wait, did they like escape and you said, I'm going to get revenge?
	Okay, so they robbed you all.
	How much did they steal?
	Hardly nothing.
	A few hundred bucks.
	But it was a principle to me.
	I'm like, I'm Komi.
	These niggas didn't know who I am.
	And so I went on one, bro.
	And, uh, you know, and, uh, yeah, so I, from there I started, uh, selling ecstasy and, uh, cause I went, it got bad.
	You know what I mean?
	Did you ever find the guys that robbed you?
	Yeah, people got shot up, and my friends got shot, and it was a big ordeal.
	So that brought you back to the drug game, that barbershop robbery.
	Right, yeah, yeah, because that was my hustle.
	I was making good money.
	I was making five to six grand a month, didn't have to deal with no headaches, and it was good.
	And that messed me up.
	Barbershops get robbed a lot because it's a cash business.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Luckily, thank God that day, they didn't get that much.
	Yeah, well.
	So, Kelly, back in the day, you were huge.
	Huge.
	What was that like?
	Was it just eating good food?
	Was it other stuff?
	What was that like?
	So, I got out of prison.
	I was wearing about 215.
	Swole, natural.
	And so...
	From a kid, I started working out at about 15 because the coaches said I was too small in football.
	So I got swole fast.
	In 90 days, I was jacked from 98 pounds to 140.
	Wow.
	And so I just was swole after that.
	It just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and went to prison, got bigger, got out 215, swole, and It was just, I was used to it at that point in my life, you know what I mean?
	And so once I started competing in bodybuilding, it just went to another level when I added in juice.
	And I was a late bloomer.
	I didn't start until I was 34.
	I didn't know about steroids until I was 34.
	And that's where the story, everybody be like, oh, he lied.
	No, I was an ex-con.
	I never was able to tell people I was on illegal drugs.
	Because you're on probation and shit.
	And you gotta piss all the time.
	But people act like I lied to them because I didn't tell them.
	And, you know, I always knew that when the opportunity presented itself and I need to tell people I would, and that's what happened.
	That's when I became transparent.
	What year was that that you came out and was transparent about it?
	He's a trans-parent.
	Come on, man.
	When did you come out and let people know?
	So it actually happened in 2019, I want to say, because I did IVF. So everybody was questioning why I lost my size, because I wasn't on steroids for about almost two years.
	So you quit in 2017?
	Yeah, because I had to get my sperm back up.
	My sperm went to zero and I wanted to have kids.
	Gotcha.
	Really?
	So, yeah.
	I got a video called Why I Lost My Size that went viral.
	It got like 10 million views.
	And so I was off.
	My weight always fluctuated because I thought I was doing it right.
	I would get off three, four months out of a year.
	And so...
	So, yeah, I got off for that time period.
	What gear were you using, I guess, throughout those years?
	Oh, you figured Tess, Trin, Diana Ball, Anadrol, tried insulin before, which almost killed me before.
	So, yeah, I thought I was doing it right, and I felt I was a late bloomer.
	So you had to catch up?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because you met Jay Cutler, and you were like, fuck.
	You saw, like, this is what an Olympian champion looks like.
	Yeah.
	And I didn't know what I was doing.
	If I could turn back the hands of time, I would have got one of the professional coaches.
	And correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard from other people that have done these competitions, they're all using steroids at some point.
	All of them.
	Oh, without a doubt.
	Nobody's using...
	You can't get an IFBB Pro card, or even a lot of these regular leagues, without being...
	So it's well accepted by most people you're going to do that.
	100%.
	Oh, without a doubt.
	It's kind of like an unspoken thing.
	I remember like in YouTube, like it was like a, like, you know, people would say, Natty, you're not blah, blah.
	Like coming out and saying, yeah, I'm not Natty was like a huge taboo in YouTube, bro, which we could talk about the fitness industry here in a second.
	So just going back real quick, because I want to get the whole story.
	So you come out the second time, you get robbed at the barbershop, you're like, fuck this shit.
	And then you start, you get back in the game and you said you were selling ecstasy.
	Yeah, I was shipping ecstasy to Denver, making a boo-cool amount of money.
	Why did you transition ecstasy?
	So what happened was...
	What year is this?
	2008, 2009 now?
	No, this is 2007.
	2007, 2008.
	It ran all the way until I moved to LA in 2010.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, two years.
	So what happened was some youngsters told me when I was pimping that if I tried ecstasy, I'd be talking a lot.
	Yeah.
	And so I tried it.
	Oh, because you hated talking to the girls.
	Uh-huh.
	And so I started popping ecstasy.
	We can relate.
	And so I started popping ecstasy and I got involved in that business.
	And so I had a gang comrade of mine that moved to Denver, and he was like, man, start shipping it, we can eat.
	And so that's what happened.
	I would work out and just ship ecstasy.
	Where were you getting your ecstasy?
	Were you getting it from the Mexican X or...
	No, I was getting my ex from, it's funny, it's one of my good friends I went to high school with, and he changed his name to Khali too now.
	But I would get it from him, and then I got an Asian connection.
	White dude?
	No, he was Filipino.
	Okay.
	Yeah, the ecstasy game is a bit different.
	A lot of the time it comes from Canada.
	It comes from Asia, whatever it may be.
	So, your connect was a Philippines.
	How much were you getting?
	So, what I was doing, I was getting, every three days, I would get like $4,000 and ship them.
	Every three days?
	Well, and I would get a little, I would go to Walmart and get a radio and And put it in like two different...
	I put 2,000 in each radio and ship them to Denver.
	And so I had like six different fucking FedExes and UPS I would alternate so they wouldn't catch on.
	So, every three to four days, you have 4,000 pills.
	Uh huh.
	How much were you paying for that?
	So, I was only paying two grand.
	I was getting them for two a pop.
	2K for the 4,000 pills?
	Uh huh, yeah.
	And how much, bro, holy shit, how much were you making?
	Probably killing it.
	Yeah, I was killing it.
	So, I would sell them to him each...
	Your guy in Denver.
	...thousand, yeah.
	So, each thousand, I was paying 2,000, he would give me five.
	So, I was making three grand profit.
	Okay.
	Off each thousand.
	Boat, they call them.
	Each boat.
	So each load you sent to Denver, you were making 3K profit?
	Six.
	Because I would send two at a time.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Holy shit.
	So how much were you making a month at this point?
	I was eating, bro.
	I was making at least, you figure 6, 12, 30.
	I never even had it up to now.
	I was making a minimum profit of 100K. A month?
	Uh-huh.
	When you were doing X-issue shit?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And at the time, you were still doing the bodybuilding, right?
	Right.
	Okay, so is that how you were able to fund it?
	That's how I was able to fund it.
	Because steroids aren't cheap, for those that are wondering.
	It is cheap.
	It's cheaper than supplements.
	Where are you getting them?
	Online.
	You weren't getting them like pharmaceutical level?
	Nah.
	Oh, that's why.
	Okay, okay.
	I thought you were like...
	Even then, it's cheap.
	It was cheap.
	Steroid is cheaper than a thing of protein powder.
	Really?
	Yeah, $45 for a bottle of test.
	Shit.
	A bottle of Tesco lasts you anywhere from five to ten weeks.
	So you're competing in bodybuilding.
	You're making $100,000 a month.
	You're training all day.
	I'm assuming you quit the barbershop shit at this point.
	Oh yeah, no, I couldn't be in there.
	I had to go back in.
	So you're training what, two, three times a day?
	Hell no, I ain't never trained no two, three times a day.
	I'm being that bitch at the most.
	Hour and a half, two hours a day.
	Okay.
	Six days.
	Was I doing six or seven?
	Six days a week.
	I would take off Mondays.
	So all this money, what were you doing with it?
	Investing in bodybuilding.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	And then I moved to L.A. in 2010.
	So you had a bunch of money saved at this point probably?
	No, because what happened was before I moved to LA, me and my partner kind of fell out.
	He sent some money, he got lost in the mix, so I started looking at him sideways, he looking at me sideways, so it shut down.
	And the ecstasy got horrible.
	At that time period.
	Did people start dying and shit like that?
	Well, no.
	It would just start getting crumbly.
	It wasn't what it used to be.
	So he was testing it when I shipped it to him.
	Like, oh, this is bad.
	So I was getting bunk, bad batches.
	Damn.
	Uh-huh.
	So that fucked with the money a lot.
	Yeah.
	So you were able to make this $100,000 a month for maybe a year or two maybe?
	Yeah.
	About a year and a half going on two years.
	What'd you do with all the money?
	Did you lose it?
	Did you invest in it?
	No.
	I didn't know what he was doing.
	I was just bodybuilding.
	It was my life.
	So it was all going to...
	2009, I did five shows.
	Okay.
	I did my taxes, and my tax lady looked at me like, where did this fucking $175,000 go?
	Bodybuilding.
	Exactly.
	Well, it is expensive.
	Because I'll fly everywhere, hotels, and all, man.
	Pull yourself up at the best places.
	Yeah.
	Do you have a coach at this point, too, probably?
	No.
	If I could turn back the hands of time, I would have got a coach.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because they would have made me do blood work and all that stuff.
	So...
	You're making $100,000 a month, shipping the ecstasy there, paying for your bodybuilding career, traveling all over the place, first class, and it's not cheap to enter into these competitions.
	Exactly, yeah.
	So, okay.
	Oh yeah, that money dwindled.
	By the time I moved to LA, I only had $50,000.
	Shit.
	And then this is where YouTube started, right?
	Well, YouTube started right before then.
	I did a few videos, a Muscle Up video went viral.
	I was monetized when I moved to LA in 2010.
	Okay, so you started YouTube stuff.
	And I was only making $100, $200 a month off YouTube.
	So that was like, you're like, what the fuck?
	I'm making 100k on E. The fuck is this shit?
	Exactly.
	Then I moved to LA. I was barbering, personal training, and doing background acting work.
	And so the acting started blowing up, and I never wanted to be an actor.
	I just had me look at the TV one day.
	I'm like, there ain't no super swole actors.
	And so I went and signed up, and the next week I was working with Matthew McConaughey.
	And that just blew up.
	Yeah, it blew up.
	What project did you do with him?
	It was a music video with Jamie Johnson where he was the director and everything.
	And so that put me on a map because I put it on my resume.
	I just worked with him.
	Oh, I blew up.
	And I started doing Old Navy commercials, the Geico.
	Old Spice?
	No, I didn't do an Old Spice.
	You did one commercial where you were like across...
	Geico.
	That was the Geico, right?
	Yeah, directing traffic.
	Yeah.
	How much did they pay you for that?
	So, they paid me over a span of two years, only 50k.
	They said, back in the day, all the actors used to ask me that, and I'd tell them, they were like, you would have made like a half a million back in the day for that commercial, as much as it aired.
	But internet watered it down.
	The internet watered all acting down.
	But I kept banging them out.
	Kentucky Fried Chicken, Planet Fitness.
	Did you have an agency that found these gigs for you?
	Is that how it was?
	So I did have an agent, but I was finding a lot of it myself on LA Casting.
	I was submitting myself on LA Casting.
	But I did have an agent.
	I had a theatrical and commercial agent.
	So what year are we in now, roughly?
	Were we in 08, 09?
	No, so we're in 2010, 2011.
	So you're at the drug game for like two years.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	You're acting now.
	You're doing your YouTube.
	Yeah.
	You're still bodybuilding.
	Uh-huh, yeah.
	And you kind of are segwaying into this more show business road.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	And so I'm looking at being a big-time actor or whatever, and so it's popping.
	So what happened was...
	Acting slowed up.
	Rash from Strength Project contacted me for the second time in a year.
	Said he wanted to do a documentary of me.
	I was scared because I didn't want nobody to know my background in Hollywood.
	So it got slowed.
	I'm like, fuck it, man.
	Let's do the documentary.
	Did the documentary.
	It blew up.
	Yep.
	On YouTube, too.
	Yeah.
	They put it on the front page of YouTube.
	And what happened was, during that same time, I had an Old Navy commercial airing.
	A guy commented on the Old Navy that I did gay porn.
	So...
	That's the worst.
	Yeah, so it was weird.
	I was already writing my book at this time.
	Okay.
	And so Old Navy contacted my agent and was like, if this happened, because you had to sign a contract, you haven't did no porn, nothing.
	Really?
	Really?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	For image reasons, I'm assuming.
	Exactly.
	Because, you know, it's a family-friendly, you know, commercial.
	Old Navy.
	Yeah.
	So it came back that I didn't do gay porn, but I had modeling pictures up and I was a stripper.
	Yeah.
	And they was like, okay, that's fine.
	So right then, I'm like, oh, I got to release my fucking book.
	Because these people on the internet can say anything and people will believe it.
	So I got a book publishing deal.
	So I released my book.
	And then within 90 days, I seen they was swindling me.
	So I took my rights in my book and published it myself on Amazon.
	And yeah, from there, everything started going up.
	Life was, I never even dreamed of how life was going.
	And so in 2016, I went through a divorce, moved to Vegas, had my supplement company.
	It was booming, thriving.
	Hypey mud, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	So it was thriving and I had to move to Vegas to get my money right because it was getting low.
	In LA. Yeah, uh-huh.
	And the acting that slowed up.
	I just got, you know, acting, you just, you're like a slave, man.
	You know, you, oh, I need a gig.
	How am I going to make money?
	And you got to kiss ass and all that.
	So I just went the social media route.
	And moved to Vegas.
	Everything came back in order.
	Got my money up, my credit.
	2020, moved back with my twins.
	I was able to get my sperm back up and have my twins.
	And when Trump got in office...
	Eating.
	I was making like $200,000 a month when Trump got in.
	In 2016, and you had your supplement company at this point too, right?
	Yeah, but I was making that off Facebook and YouTube.
	Oh, shit.
	The supplement company, I was only making maybe $20,000 a month.
	Okay, I got to ask you about this because every guy that I bring in, right, because I love bringing OG fitness influencers in, and I want to get your take on another question as well.
	That run a supplement company, they almost always get out and ask them, why?
	And they're like, bro, the profit margins aren't worth it.
	It's a lot of fucking work.
	It's a pain in the ass.
	It's expensive to do.
	Corporate boards, meetings.
	A lot of them just leave the game.
	What made you say, like, fuck this shit?
	Oh, it was good.
	I could still...
	Well, I'm coming out with something else now.
	Okay, so you're still in the game.
	No, I'm not in it yet, but I'm coming with a drink, organic.
	No, it was good.
	You figure, bro, all you're spending is $4 on a bottle of pre-workout.
	Mm-hmm.
	$30, $40 you selling it for.
	Yeah.
	They saying that because their marketing wasn't up to par or whatever.
	For me, I kept my calls down.
	I only stayed with a pre-workout, a BCAA. Then I upgraded to a test booster and vitamins.
	Is it protein that's the most competitive?
	Oh yeah, protein.
	You ain't making no money.
	Okay.
	And protein is poison.
	The guys I asked all had their own proteins.
	Yeah, that's poison.
	I would never sell that to nobody.
	Okay.
	That's actual poison.
	I would never sell that or creatine to people.
	That's the most harmful stuff in my eyes.
	Creatine and water protein.
	So how long did you have hyphae mud before you...
	Is it still available?
	No, nine years.
	You had it for nine years?
	Yeah.
	I just got rid of it when I had my health awakening.
	Gotcha.
	I'm like, I'm not going to take caffeine, so I'm not going to sell it to nobody.
	Okay.
	And so I could have sold the company for at least $2.5 to $5 million.
	I just trashed it.
	Shit.
	Because you didn't even want to have anything for it.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	I went on this health tip, and my business partners, they didn't want to sit down and figure out how to go the organic way, a natural way of doing things.
	Cost more money to do it.
	Right, of course.
	And that's what they said, so I just trashed it.
	So take us through what led to the health incident that made you kind of change your life completely around you.
	Yeah, so I had 2021, I had a heart attack, massive heart attack, a widow maker, and when that happened, I'm like, I never thought, I thought, like I said, I was a late bloomer with the roid stuff.
	I was cycling.
	I was eating what I thought was healthy at the time, just white rice.
	Top ramen and tuna.
	Top ramen and tuna.
	But, you know, they say it takes 30 years.
	What happened to me takes 30 years of build-up.
	So I'm looking back when I was a kid.
	Working at McDonald's, eating microwave burritos, and just the worst food you can eat.
	And I remember years ago, I always had a problem with my right foot being puffy and swollen.
	So I had signs for years that I was having a cloggage.
	So 2021, I had that heart attack, and I'm like, man, F caffeine, F everything that I think possibly could have caused it.
	Salt, caffeine.
	Everything, right?
	And so I just went on wild-caught salmon and spinach every day for a year and a half at 7 p.m.
	That's all I would eat is one meal a day.
	And I kept my size.
	I was like 190 at the time and still strong in the gym.
	How much do you weigh now?
	He said, as of today, this is my last day of the watermelon fast.
	I'm 172.
	Wow.
	And the most I weighed was 270 when I was my swolest.
	But I feel the best in my life right now.
	I was going to ask, you probably feel the best.
	Get some watermelons, nigga?
	That'll get them down, boy.
	Yeah, man.
	We'll get them on that melon, boy.
	Melon diet, nigga.
	So you had this awakening.
	Yeah, so I had the heart attack, and so I was eating that.
	So I seen a guy doing a watermelon challenge.
	I'm like, shit, he's eating 1,200 calories with a whole watermelon.
	I'm only eating 800 to 1,000 a day.
	So I tried it, and it was a hat.
	It was a hack to life.
	Did you feel good on the salmon and spinach diet?
	I did.
	You did feel good on it?
	Yeah, I did.
	No carbs?
	No carbs.
	Just salmon and spinach.
	So you're basically effectively keto, kind of.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I felt great, actually.
	And then you said, why watermelon in particular?
	So, watermelon just detoxes you.
	For some reason, you had the most spiritual awakening.
	With watermelon.
	Yeah.
	It's bizarre, man.
	I feel like when I eat watermelon, I become alive.
	Yeah.
	You know, this whole conversation right now is a meme.
	Three black dudes at a table talking about fucking watermelon.
	This is like a fucking meme right now.
	This is hilarious.
	Watermelon, when I eat it, bro, I feel alive.
	I feel like I'm awake, and I feel like I'm just flowing with my water.
	Bro, there's some dudes in Mississippi right now, White Hood's watching this shit, losing their fucking minds.
	You hear these niggas?
	You hear these niggas?
	I'm talking about watermelon!
	I told you!
	I'm talking about watermelon!
	They can't take our drops!
	Like, what the fuck, bro?
	There you are!
	Watermelon!
	All right.
	This is a fucking meme in itself, man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But anyway, yeah.
	Well, to be fair, you're not really black, so.
	Yeah, I guess I don't count.
	Yeah, it'll consider me black.
	Yeah, so what I did was I just went extreme with the health tip.
	I did a stem cell twice.
	You went down to Columbia for it?
	No, I went to Vegas.
	It's a spot that sponsored me and C.T. Fletcher in Vegas.
	Okay.
	And so I just went on this.
	I started researching fasting.
	I did the water fast, pineapple.
	I did apple fast.
	I learned I'm type A blood type.
	I just do well on fruit and veggies.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And so I just feel the best of fruit and veggies now.
	How's CZ Fletcher doing, bro?
	Because I know he has some issues.
	Oh, he's doing good.
	Very similar heart problems, too.
	Well, he had a heart transplant.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	So he's doing good.
	He did stem cell twice, and he's back energetic and feeling good.
	Yeah.
	Back in the gym?
	Yeah.
	Back in the gym.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's great, man.
	So it's awesome, man.
	So yeah, fasting is a hack.
	It's a hack, most definitely.
	And all the books of God talk about it, so it's amazing.
	So would you recommend a watermelon fasting for most people?
	Yeah, if you have body fat, but if you're low body fat, it's going to be tough.
	You know what I mean?
	But if you want to lose weight super fast, detox, it's amazing.
	I'm going to try it, bro.
	Let me ask you this.
	So how do you do it now?
	You said you do it for like a month, so are you like 30 days on just eating nothing but watermelon?
	I just did 40.
	40?
	Today is my 40th day.
	Okay.
	And then how long do you transition back to a, I guess, standard diet?
	Fruits.
	So I start back, like, tonight, if I eat something or whatever, I have some different fruits.
	Okay.
	Maybe if we go out or something, I have a salad with avocado, which is a fruit.
	Avocados, cucumbers.
	So you buy how many melons a day?
	Just one.
	One melon a day?
	Yeah, and I wouldn't eat all that now.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's bizarre, man.
	You don't need that much.
	Do you break it down into like breakfast, lunch, dinner, or just like one time eat watermelon?
	Whenever I get hungry.
	But what I would do is I'd juice it.
	So I'd have 100 ounces of juice all through the day after my workout.
	Then at night, 6 p.m., I would have like a quarter of a watermelon I'd eat.
	Wow.
	So that was my program.
	So how do you maintain your lean body mass with virtually no protein?
	We've been lied to.
	Yeah, so all my life, especially going to prison, I never believed in protein.
	It all is a fallacy to me.
	Everybody I grew up with was swole off eating a lot of carbs.
	You know, and what happened was when Joe Weider got Arnold to promote this protein stuff, everybody believed it.
	That's when it became this big hype.
	And me and my partners used to laugh at it.
	Like, what protein?
	We eating these carbs, smaller than everybody.
	You know, it's like a gorilla or something just eating bananas or whatever, you know.
	It's the same shit.
	And so, yeah, I never believed it.
	That's why I never sold it.
	I never believed in protein.
	Amino acids have to convert into protein.
	Yeah.
	That's what they don't tell us.
	So when you're just consuming straight protein, guess what?
	It got to reverse and break it down to amino acids.
	Yeah.
	And so people didn't realize that.
	And I didn't at the time, but once I went on watermelon, I'm like, oh, I've only sold BCAAs, amino acids, with my supplements.
	So, yeah, it's a myth.
	And people still, you know, argue me up and down.
	And, you know, you can research it and it'll tell you that amino acids convert into protein.
	So as long as you get an amino acid, you do.
	Which is a watermelon.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	So, Mario, what do you think?
	Should I go on a watermelon diet?
	Would you want to lose some weight?
	Wait, what do I need, nigga?
	You need a lot of help, bro.
	What, you trying to lose the weight?
	You know, a few pounds, I feel like.
	Oh, watermelon, bro, when I started it this time, I lost 10 pounds in two days.
	No way.
	Today, I just lost 5 pounds.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yo, Moe.
	Oh, it's a hack, bro.
	We got some work to do, bro.
	It's a hat.
	He ain't with it.
	Shit, man.
	Wow.
	So, you said you had a kid, two twins.
	Are you still married or in a relationship?
	Yeah, I'm still married.
	How long have y'all been together?
	Me and my wife been together in 2016.
	How did you meet her?
	At a fitness expo.
	She came to my booth.
	I was like, look at the white girl with blue eyes and big booty.
	Hey, you get it?
	She came to your booth.
	Exactly.
	So you guys have been together for a while.
	Are you based out of Vegas still?
	No, I'm in Irvine, Orange County.
	Okay, nice.
	Orange County's good, bro.
	LA sucks, man.
	Isn't that where Mike is?
	Bro, all the base people are in Orange County, bro.
	So I moved there because my business partner, Big Boy, Oh, shit.
	We got the same warehouse.
	That's C.T. Fletcher's guy, right?
	No, no.
	Big Boy from Strength Cartel.
	Mexican.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yes, yes.
	I know what you're talking about now.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know what you mean.
	So, yeah, I moved out there basically for him.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I love it.
	Orange County?
	Hell yeah, love it.
	It's like you get the perks of California without the loony lefties.
	Yeah, 95% of people live out there are Asians.
	That's good.
	That's a good sign.
	That's a very good sign, sir.
	That's a very good sign, man.
	When niggas don't go.
	I'm the only nigga in the 100 mile radius.
	Let's go, man.
	Okay.
	Hey, man.
	Call those races, whatever.
	We just had a conversation about watermelons, right?
	So I want to hear shit from these haters, man.
	How dare you?
	Shit, man.
	We can read some of these chats real quick.
	Yeah, we'll read some of the chats.
	Give them a little break.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fresh updates.
	Fresh updates.
	Think about this.
	On some level, American food is poison, and that's cereal, steak, and eggs.
	Okay.
	What else?
	Did he, you sell Zerka any crack?
	No, I didn't.
	Maybe.
	A secret message has been found from the future, from our future president.
	This guy's talking about me being president.
	What the hell?
	hell, that's me old as hell.
	Yeah, damn.
	My fellow bear.
	Okay, we can't.
	We don't got time to read on that, bro.
	We got to keep going.
	What the hell?
	Hey, Myron.
	Do you still plan on having Maven on the pod?
	I gotta reach out to him.
	If you have a connect, let me know.
	Y'all should cover Lamine Yamal for our Womanizer Wednesday, 17-year-old professional soccer player.
	Oh, he was dating the older chick?
	Oh, yes.
	No, no.
	Well, she's older, but he basically...
	She cheated on him.
	Yes.
	She got caught on video.
	So the father says to his son, son, if you keep masturbating, you're going to go blind.
	The son says, dad, I'm over here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm getting some castle club down under.
	Pause.
	Not sure if you're aware from the brother, you, me, Muslim cleric from here in Western Sydney, has said P3Ds, killer prey.
	He said, oh, oh, oh, okay.
	Pedos and killers who prey are better than law-abiding citizens who don't prey.
	Thoughts?
	No comment, bro.
	Oh, man.
	We deserve less.
	WBills.
	Okay?
	Clayton Williams says, Big WFNF and to Cali Muscle, my pops and I used to watch you religiously back in the day, Hy-Fee Mud.
	The gym is like my girlfriend.
	Yep.
	Let's go.
	That's it.
	And then, Uh-huh, from JTK. Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and he did that twice.
	Shout out to you, JTK. We are going to do after hours here in a little bit.
	I guess, was anything else?
	Yeah, Kali, so real quick, YouTube and the future of Kali Muscle.
	What's in store for us?
	So, yeah, I started doing educational videos because I learned that they make the most money.
	So I veered away from the- Vlogs?
	Comedic type stuff.
	Yeah.
	And right now I've been doing a series of the watermelon.
	So I compile the watermelon videos and whatnot.
	But my main thing now is my program.
	I help people blow up their social media, call over 100 guys a day.
	Today I dropped my token, my crypto token.
	I got to airdrop you guys some, by the way.
	Yeah.
	So I've been on Spaces, looking at Myron all day.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, I'm on Twitter a lot.
	I'm paying off Instagram, man.
	Fuck Instagram.
	It's not Instagram, bro.
	We know what it is.
	Actually, we'll reveal that next week for you guys.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I'm just focusing now.
	I got my other languages I'm working on.
	I already had a Spanish channel on YouTube.
	Now I'm doing some other languages.
	They have some other TikTok.
	I've been cranking on there.
	Threads, cranking, monetized.
	And so, yeah, been on Twitter every day.
	It's been crazy.
	Ever since I changed my life around, like, people, like, did your views go down or you lost your fan base?
	It actually went up quadruple since I turned a leaf with a health tip.
	Because you got to think, guys my age now, fat, out of shape, unhealthy, with health problems.
	I mean, you were born in 75.
	Yeah.
	So, what, it's 2024 now?
	I mean, what, 50?
	In six months, I'll be 50.
	Yeah.
	Six, seven months.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	It's unbelievable.
	Damn you, nigga.
	Yeah.
	God damn it.
	Hey, niggas better to hope to get it this old nowadays.
	That's true.
	You're right, you're right, you're right.
	So I feel blessed.
	I'm like, when I meet somebody at 60, when I meet somebody at 60, I'm like, man, kudos, you're a blessing.
	See, I look old, so I think I already got there.
	You're good.
	But yeah, so I just, I want to live for the kids, man.
	Yeah.
	How old are your children now?
	Four.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, they're four.
	And so that's my whole focus.
	That's why I do all this crazy dying in and fasting.
	Like, uh...
	Well, I'll tell you this, Kelly.
	You inspire me, man.
	Thank you.
	Like, one day, I ought to find a snow bunny.
	That's beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Hell yeah.
	You go do it.
	You're in Miami.
	You're right, brother.
	And you go to Colorado, actually.
	Oh, you go to Colorado?
	That's where I should go.
	No, you gotta go to Europe.
	Like, mine, mine, Croatian.
	Oh, just Croatian?
	Yeah.
	Sweden.
	Yeah.
	They're 304s, though.
	Yeah, you're right.
	So, what about Finland?
	Finland, Finland.
	Oh, if you put it in a calculator, I'll flip upside down.
	Oh, yeah.
	Right.
	Moroccan.
	I'm just kidding.
	You gotta go to Croatia or something, brother.
	Yeah, okay.
	But yeah, bro.
	Guys, check them out, man.
	Cali Muscle on all those social media platforms, man.
	Go check them out, man.
	Go support them, bro.
	OG in the fitness space, man.
	We're glad that you're here with us.
	Obviously, that's a crazy story.
	I think we went from your criminal past to how you turned your life around.
	YouTube, the book, acting.
	What's coming up next?
	That's a good update.
	Thanks Con to Icon.
	Thank you for coming, bro.
	We appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for having me, brother.
	Thank you, man.
	Definitely have you back again, too, man.
	It's a great conversation.
	And you're here in Florida for a bit, so we can do another one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We'll do something else.
	I'm here till 19.
	All right, man.
	We'll have you on with some girls then.
	Yeah, we'll have you on with some girls.
	Maybe next week if you're free.
	Well, yeah.
	Maybe you can show us the pimp slap.
	I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
	We never hit women, ever.
	Guys, like the video.
	Go check them out on all the platforms, man.
	I hope you guys enjoyed the interview.
	It was fucking awesome.
	It's good.
	You know, to have a legend in the house and have this conversation.
	Yeah.
	We'll be back here with some lovely ladies, guys.
	And after hours, we're going to part three of the three-peat, a.k.a.
	the four-peat, because the other one's pre-recorded.
	We love you guys back in a bit.
	Peace.
	I ran, I ran so far away.

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