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July 8, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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How To Make OVER $100K/yr Without A Degree w/ DL Saint

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	Thank you.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to today's show.
	Money Monday, man.
	We're here with DLSA. We're going to be talking about how to make $100,000 a year without a college degree.
	Guys, listen up.
	Get your pen and paper ready.
	Let's get into it.
	Let's go. Let's go.
	Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
	Let's go.
	And we're back.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to Freshly Podcast, man.
	It is Money Monday.
	We're here with Diaz Saint, man.
	We've been talking about this for a while.
	As you guys know, with these Money Monday shows, we've been trying to make it more inclusive.
	And what I mean by that is helping guys out that might not necessarily have a bunch of money yet to help them get into the six-figure range, etc.
	Bringing our guys in the trucking world, bringing our guys...
	Like Red Pill Thor, Jay, now we got a deal.
	Satan here, teach you guys how to make some money with trades, man.
	Because, you know, not everyone's cut out to be an entrepreneur.
	Not everyone's cut out to be- Vince's owner.
	You know, an influencer or a real estate investor or whatever it may be.
	And there's nothing wrong with having a job.
	I've said this to you guys many times.
	There's nothing wrong with having a job, making that money.
	And then if you want to start some entrepreneurial venture on the side or you just want to get right into investing with your earned income, that's totally cool.
	And we're going to give you guys a tool set to do that so you guys can go ahead and build yourself A career and make money, even without a college degree.
	And a lot of you don't know what you want to do in life.
	So with purpose, having these options on a table can help you choose what you want to do moving forward.
	So it's a pretty good option, especially with aviation today and air traffic controlling.
	Yeah.
	So quick announcement against the show, guys.
	Rumble.com slash FreshFit.
	Check us out over there.
	As you guys know, that is the home base for us.
	Also, CassClub.tv, guys.
	We're almost 7,000 strong over there.
	We want to hit 10,000.
	That is the goal.
	Build up a huge audience.
	Over there so that we can be 100% independent and not to worry about none of the BS, as you guys know, because censorship sucks.
	And like I said, I'm not relying on YouTube monetization.
	We'll reapply.
	We'll see if we can get it.
	But if we don't, it is what it is, right?
	It's always a toss-up.
	What else?
	Yeah, Castle Club.
	And then, guys, yacht party.
	August 10th.
	Okay, we're going to be having a huge yacht party.
	Do we got pictures of it yet, or you guys didn't see it yet?
	Not as yet.
	When are you guys going to see it?
	In a month.
	It's not finished yet.
	Oh, yeah.
	The boat's being built as we speak.
	Okay, yeah.
	Guys, boat is being built right now as we speak.
	July 28th, I think it's going to be officially ready for people to use.
	And then we'll get pictures for you guys.
	But what?
	It's overall.
	Tell them about the boat real quick.
	It's over 120 feet.
	It has three layers, three levels.
	Top, deck, jacuzzi, then middle floor, and then bottom where we party all the time, you know, VIP or whatever.
	And second and bottom floor are enclosed?
	Yes, and we're going to have as well a maximum of 350 people on the boat.
	Yeah, 350 seats, guys.
	For a yacht, that's pretty big, man.
	That's huge.
	That's huge, man.
	If you try to get a yacht in Miami, you're going to get a captain and you can't put 13 people on.
	Yeah, that's max.
	So we were able to pull off $120 last time, but we're going to do $350 this time.
	So tickets are limited, guys.
	And with the higher seat count, we're able to tell it to you guys at a cheaper price.
	So it's only going to be $998.
	And you guys won't even be able to find a yacht for that price point with 13 people and a captain.
	And you're going to have to find your own girls.
	We're going to give you guys open bar, free food, and we're going to have a bunch of girls that are hot girls, too.
	Last time we had to turn away 120-plus girls when we We had our yacht party because we didn't have enough space.
	This time, we'll be able to bring all those girls.
	It's going to be a good-ass time.
	And we have left right now, only three VAP left.
	So that's it for the VAP, and then it's done.
	Yep.
	So, yeah, man.
	So, guys, go check us out over there, man.
	It's ffpod.org to go ahead and get those yacht tickets and join us there, man.
	We hope to see you guys there.
	But without further ado...
	Without further ado, we got...
	Without further ado, we got D.L. St.
	in the house.
	What's good, everybody?
	What's good?
	What's good?
	Thanks for having me.
	Listen, this is a long time coming because we know Dale Stanton from back in the day.
	He was supporting us all the way.
	And he was the guy that would come through, show love, show support.
	And even when he had work going on, he would put time towards helping us move forward.
	Thank you for coming, brother.
	Man, thanks for having me, brother.
	You know I love to be here, man.
	This is...
	So good to see.
	And for you guys out here watching, if you're ever getting to this studio, if you're ever lucky enough to get into this seat, if you want to see how ugly you are, sit down where I'm sitting right now.
	Bro, the camera's looking at myself right there.
	You got the best cameras in the world.
	I'm like, damn, I'm old.
	But no, thanks for having me in here, bro.
	I remember we go back to right before 100,000.
	I remember the first party.
	I don't want to get y'all PTSD, but...
	It's fine.
	Tell them about it.
	Oh, man, they had us at this...
	Jacked up place, man.
	I'm teaming YouTube friendly.
	If this was Rumble, I'll let y'all know how I really feel, bro.
	They had us up in the hood, man.
	Couldn't even bring my pistol, man.
	But y'all let organic bring his.
	I was like, aw, man.
	It's forget it, man.
	It's forget it.
	Yeah, man, but it was what it was, but it showed me the character that you two have, the intestinal fortitude, being able to push through problems because it was a problem.
	You went trusting some people.
	They messed it up, right?
	Trusting some guys.
	They didn't pull through like they were supposed to, but what did we do?
	We were like, hey.
	Let's take it out of here.
	First thing y'all did was y'all pay for the bar.
	Open bar.
	Open bar.
	First thing y'all did.
	Like, alright, this ain't right.
	Nobody else has to pay for drinks.
	We bought the bar out.
	And then we moved the party over here to Brooklyn.
	Went over to Blackbird.
	And I was lucky enough to buy the first bottle that night.
	I was like, I'm going to get the bottle.
	And they posted this up at the stage.
	Because, I don't know if y'all remember this, but they had us adjacent to the stage.
	But the people who had the table, the nice table, they knew y'all.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They knew y'all.
	And they were like, we're leaving.
	Just take our spot.
	So we moved in there.
	We had the big table.
	Two hours later, man, we had the whole front of the stage.
	Yep.
	You know what I mean?
	Organic was posted up doing this Gorgow thing.
	How you say it?
	Gargoyle.
	Gargoyle.
	He's doing his Gargoyle thing.
	You know what I mean?
	I remember that day, bro.
	Remember the girls that came with us?
	I do.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I do.
	That was a funny night.
	That was a good night.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So we set up, and it was funny because we closed it down.
	We closed it down.
	Like I said, I was lucky enough to buy the first bottle.
	Next thing I know, it was like, I don't know, we had four, five, six bottles.
	People were buying bottles, getting their money up.
	You know what I mean?
	All out of respect and love.
	This was a $100,000 party, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I remember that night I was leaving, headed back to my hotel, this one.
	Don't be, what did you say?
	Don't be paying for no box.
	Keep it real.
	Don't be paying for it.
	I'm like, I ain't got no more trick money.
	All my trick money in Blackbird.
	I just went home and went to sleep.
	But those were the good old days, man.
	At the beginning of the podcast, working things out, making mistakes.
	I mean, even up to today.
	But now we got it packed with y'all parties and stuff like that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Now we've figured out that you've got to do the party 100% by yourself.
	But the point was, y'all made it right.
	No matter what.
	The One Million Party, y'all made it right.
	Remember, that was the first yacht.
	But you had it all set up.
	You was going to be in a tri-level penthouse.
	It was fire.
	It was supposed to be at the Paramount, for those who are wondering.
	Guys, we actually had the Paramount locked in.
	But then we had some haters, showed their colors.
	And what happened?
	Y'all had to make it right.
	Y'all didn't complain?
	They called, and they complained, and they said, yo, did you know that this, like, misogynistic podcast is gonna throw a party?
	And they got scared, and they canceled it on us.
	I remember that.
	Shut it down.
	So you had to go get that boat.
	The good thing is, now I know all the owners, so we're good to go.
	That boat costs us.
	Cap it again, though.
	That one million party costs us $75,000, man, to get the boat.
	Minimum.
	Bro.
	And guess what?
	Guess what, guys?
	On the boat.
	Open bar, food, everything.
	I know for a fact, I ain't telling on nobody, but I know mad dudes got on that boat that didn't pay for tickets that night.
	I already know.
	I already know.
	But here's the deal.
	Here's the deal.
	Y'all made it right.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So all the people out there saying these guys are trying to scam you or whatever, these dudes are flim flam men, you know, scam artists or whatever, they're doing a bad job of it.
	I'm just telling you.
	They scamming y'all for money.
	The last one, a bunch of guys couldn't get on a yacht and we refunded all of them immediately.
	And took them out.
	And took them out.
	The night after.
	And took them out.
	If y'all go out with this man right here, it's really a movie, bro.
	It really is a movie, man.
	Like, y'all see this podcast.
	This is Myron Fresh.
	You know what I mean?
	We got big more bills.
	This is the Fresher Fit fam.
	This is on camera.
	We're doing our thing on camera.
	Y'all don't know what it's like in the real world.
	These guys will make it right.
	You go out with these dudes, they'll make it right.
	This guy got people.
	This is my nephew, y'all.
	If y'all don't know.
	Uncle the building.
	My uncle, man.
	He said, we wear a kimono.
	He was like, I was joking.
	Like, oh yeah, I'm fresh as uncle.
	Ever since then, I get in for free whenever I go to kimono.
	I'll be like trying out at Vendome and be working like, oh, I'm fresh as uncle.
	Bro, everyone's like, yo, I know Fresh.
	I'm like, nigga, I don't know you.
	Right.
	I know him.
	I don't know you.
	But shout out to y'all, man.
	It's been really good watching y'all grow.
	We like to talk about the good things.
	Yeah, it's been some bad times too, y'all.
	We don't turn our face on that.
	We know it.
	We know it.
	This one.
	We know it.
	You know what I mean?
	But you know what, though?
	I heard this from one of your haters.
	That was somebody I bumped into in Tampa.
	They're like, yeah, you know, I don't really like the Freshly Fit podcast that much, but I'll tell you this.
	That guy, Myron, at least he's consistent.
	There you go.
	At least he's consistent.
	I'll take that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, man.
	Thank you, Saint.
	Yeah, Saint's been with us for a very long time, guys.
	One Million Party was a movie.
	Oh, shit.
	Shout out to the team and DL Saint-Diog.
	Shout out to Dr.
	B84. That's one of our guys in the community as well, man.
	He's a real doctor.
	Helped us out with a bunch of stuff, whether it was, you know...
	It's funny.
	I was eating dinner with my mom, and someone who showed up being named, and he was eating right next to me.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, Dr.
	B84. Your favorite person.
	Akimoto, by the way.
	Yeah.
	So, shout out to him for helping us out with that whole saga, with the whole fake pregnancy, and then also helping one of our guys in the community as well.
	Yeah.
	Finding a doctor.
	But say, so we obviously know who you are, but can you introduce yourself to the people, a little bit about your personal background, where you're from?
	I'm D.L. Saint, and D.L. stands for my real name, and I'll let y'all find out.
	I'll let you internet, you know, hunsters out there.
	Y'all find out what it is.
	It's no secret.
	Just give y'all something to do, but...
	Yeah, I'm a retired air traffic controller.
	I worked for the Federal Aviation Administration.
	I did about 25 years.
	Before that, I was in the military.
	So, I'm from Cincinnati, Ohio, originally.
	I grew up the way we grew up.
	You know what I mean?
	On the other side of the tracks, it is what it was.
	And I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.
	Like, it was...
	That world and the world I retired from are two completely different dimensions.
	Coming up in the streets, doing that kind of stuff, and then finding your way and ending up in a place where you're making well over six figures.
	You have a career with a high school education.
	I didn't have to go to college.
	I got some college, but I didn't need it.
	It just blew my mind.
	A lot of times, even sitting here today, the stuff that I do today, it's like, how did I get here?
	I wasn't supposed to make it out the hood.
	Just keeping it 100.
	Myron was a federal investigator at some point.
	Maybe I was on the other side of that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	But to get this far, it was just amazing.
	How did I get here?
	I got here through networking and seizing an opportunity when it was given to me.
	So a lot of people, especially people of color, the real ones, they just want an opportunity.
	They don't want a job because they're black or because they're this or because they're that.
	Just give me an opportunity.
	Give me the same shot you gave dude.
	And let me see what I can do with it.
	And that's what happened.
	So I joined the United States military when I got out of high school.
	1990, guys.
	I'm old.
	Told y'all I'm old.
	Can you tell people how old you are just so they...
	I'm 53 years old.
	Damn.
	53 years old.
	That nigga old.
	Damn.
	Damn.
	So yeah, I done probably rock some of y'all mamas and aunties.
	You know what I mean?
	It's what it is.
	Since I've been, if your mama come running in and look at the TV real quick, don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about it.
	So, I enlisted in the United States Army during wartime.
	Desert Storm was going on.
	You know, for you young people, it was a war.
	You enlisted in 1990?
	You said, okay.
	So, I enlisted during wartime.
	So, I enlisted to be a paratrooper.
	When I enlisted in the United States Army, I knew I wanted to jump out of airplanes.
	That's all I wanted to do.
	I thought that was a job.
	Like, oh, what do you want to do?
	I want to be airborne.
	I want to be the guy with the maroon beret and jump boots.
	And the recruiter was like, okay, but what job do you want?
	I'm like, I thought that was a job.
	You know, it sounds like a job to me to jump out of airplanes, go shoot people.
	He was like, no, no, you get to have a job.
	So I didn't know what to do.
	This is why I tell people, remember we were talking to that young guy who wanted to be the best model or whatever.
	I was telling him, you got to learn that world.
	You got to know what it is.
	I didn't know.
	So I'm sitting at the table.
	And I had a really high score.
	So when you go in the Army, you have to take what was called an ASVAB test.
	I don't know if they still have it.
	I think they still do.
	They lowered it, though, if I'm not mistaken, to get more people in.
	Yeah.
	So back then, they didn't.
	It's mostly a competency test, guys.
	Yeah, it's the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery.
	I think that's what it stands for.
	Yeah, Armed Services.
	Vocational Aptitude Battery.
	So everyone has to take that test.
	Based on how you score on that test, they offer certain jobs to you.
	I had a pretty good score.
	I went to a public school.
	I was a knucklehead, but I was the knucklehead who knew stuff, right?
	I watched documentaries and stuff like that.
	So I knew enough to get through school, but I didn't really apply myself, right?
	Yeah.
	But I scored well in this test.
	So I'm ready to get up from the recruiter's office like, ah, man, I don't know.
	I'm looking around, looking at the pictures.
	You see the guys with their M16s and they're out, you know, they're like in the Blackhawk and, you know, they got the faces painted and they're smiling.
	It looks cool.
	It looks cool, and I'm about to ask him, like, maybe I'll do that, like 11 Bravo.
	Like, that's infantry.
	But before I could get it out of my mouth, the recruiter was like, hey, do you want to be an air traffic controller?
	I'm like, yo, the Army has that?
	And he's like, yeah, he's going through his book?
	Yeah, I guess they do.
	I'm like, the guys in the tower talking to airplanes?
	He's like, yeah.
	Can I be airborne?
	He's like, yes, you can be airborne.
	I want to do that.
	That changed my life.
	Wow.
	That afternoon.
	In 1990.
	In a recruiter's office.
	You're what, 18 years old at this point?
	19?
	18.
	You were 18.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	That moment.
	You didn't even know what it was.
	I knew what an air traffic controller was.
	I mean, again, I was the kid who watched documentaries.
	So where everybody else was out in the streets, I didn't get into the streets until I was like...
	15.
	14, 15 is when I started getting in the streets.
	Before that, I'm watching PBS. I'm watching, like, all the educational programming.
	You know, I'm listening to old people, so I knew what an air traffic controller was.
	Back in the 80s, the air traffic controllers went on strike, and Ronald Reagan fired them.
	And I remember that.
	Okay.
	That was a big thing.
	So I was like, I knew what an air traffic controller was.
	I didn't know exactly what they did, but I know they're in towers, and I know they talk to airplanes.
	That's all I really knew.
	Right.
	Come to find out, it is a really good career.
	I didn't know.
	Yeah, it is.
	So again, United States Army, I'm a paratrooper.
	Now, for those of you guys out there who want to take that route, you want to join the Army, Navy, Air Force.
	Can you also tell them what a paratrooper is too?
	Paratrooper are those guys who jump out of airplanes.
	Think Band of Brothers.
	Think of that TV show Band of Brothers, the 101st Airborne Division, the 82nd Airborne Division.
	They're paratroopers.
	There's a YouTuber out there called the Fat Electrician.
	He does some really good breakdowns on who airborne are, who the SEALs are, who the Rangers are, all that stuff.
	I work with those guys.
	Didn't work with too many SEALs, but I worked with a lot of Green Berets, a lot of Rangers, and other stuff like that.
	So because I was airborne, because I wanted to be a paratrooper, I knew I was going to go to Fort Bragg.
	I mean, they call it Fort Liberty now, but it's always going to be Fort Bragg to me.
	I'm sorry.
	That's where I serve.
	In North Carolina.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So...
	The way it works in the United States military, especially the Army, when you enlist for something, the Army will guarantee your training.
	It's in the contract.
	You sign a contract with the Army.
	This is what you're going to do.
	Everything is contingent upon you completing your training.
	So you've got to finish basic training.
	You've got to finish advanced training, which is your job or whatever.
	Then I had to go to airborne school.
	I had to finish that.
	So everything was guaranteed.
	If I failed anywhere along the lines, they can put you anywhere.
	They can put you anywhere.
	So you fail out of air traffic control school, they can make you a cook.
	Put you in infantry.
	Infantry.
	Door gunner.
	It was wartime.
	So that was like the running gag.
	I went to Fort Rucker, Alabama for ATC school, air traffic control school.
	And there's also door gunner school there.
	That's like the home of aviation, for Army aviation in Fort Rucker, Alabama.
	And they would always say, yeah, if you watch out, we're going to send you to door gunner school, and we're going to send you right over to the desert, because the war was starting.
	Oh, hell no.
	They said that's what they did in Vietnam.
	You watched out of this, you wind up being a door gunner.
	Can you tell people real quick what a door gunner is?
	A door gunner, those guys, they're in the door of an aircraft, more likely a helicopter, a Chinook or a Blackhawk, and you are manning a gun, like a machine gun or maybe a minigun, but you are hanging out of the door shooting at stuff while they are shooting back at you.
	And I don't know if you've ever touched a helicopter, but they are very, very thin.
	You throw a rock hard enough, it'll go through the skin of a helicopter, it seems, sometimes.
	In the movies, the bullets bounce off.
	Nah, nah, they go right through the helicopter.
	Wow.
	They go right through the helicopter.
	That's what killed Kobe.
	I'll never get on a helicopter after that.
	Okay.
	I need you to put a pin in that.
	Mo, don't let us forget, but at the end of the show, when the cameras go off, I was working that day.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	I was working that day.
	Okay, we can definitely talk about that.
	Oh, you don't want to talk about it?
	I mean...
	Stick to the end and just...
	Yeah, stick to the end.
	We might get back to it.
	We might have to do that on Rumble.
	That might be a Rumble exclusive.
	Oh, really?
	Okay, all right, all right.
	Because obviously, as an air traffic controller, you guys run helicopters, too.
	I was working that day, and we'll talk about it on Rumble.
	Y'all stick around if y'all wanna hear the soft sauce.
	Y'all stick around.
	So you were talking about what a door gunner is, and then you were talking about washing out, and then you were in Forbrag.
	Right.
	So I made it through everything, and I just wanted to make that clarification.
	If you're going to enlist in the United States military, I suggest the Army, because that's the only branch at the time, and I think it's still true today, that will guarantee training.
	You join the Marine Corps, they put you where they want to push you.
	You join the Air Force, same thing.
	Navy, same thing.
	I think.
	Anybody out there in the chat can set me straight.
	It's been a long time since I've been in the military, but at the time, the Army was the only branch that guaranteed training.
	Okay.
	So I was guaranteed Air Traffic Control School, so long as I didn't watch out or nothing.
	I didn't fail nothing.
	And I didn't.
	I got it.
	It was close.
	It was close.
	That was a tough school.
	But I got through.
	Went to Airborne School, Fort Benning, Georgia.
	So you went to Air Traffic Control School first, then you went to the Paratrooper School.
	Yep, then you go to Paratrooper School.
	So you go to basic training first, learn how to be a soldier, learn how to fire your M-16, learn how to break your weapon down, whatever.
	Then you go to your advanced training.
	For me, it was Air Traffic Control.
	Did all that.
	And then you would go do any of the additional training, be it airborne, jumping out of airplanes, air assault.
	It was like...
	Repelling out of airplanes.
	I said, you know, you got all these other kind of schools out there.
	We'd be all day talking about these other schools.
	So I got through that.
	I got through airborne school.
	I'm happy.
	I'm a paratrooper.
	That's what I joined for.
	I'm jumping in.
	I'm like, all right.
	How long was your contract that you signed?
	Four years?
	Four years.
	I did four years.
	So I did all that within my first year.
	Hmm.
	So I get to Fort Bragg.
	They let me go home.
	Like, it was like around the holiday season, right after Christmas time, whatever.
	I got to go home.
	How old were you back then?
	Only 18, 19.
	Okay.
	When all this started.
	So I went home for a little bit, like a couple weeks, and then I went to Fort Bragg.
	Got assigned to Fort Bragg.
	So I get to Fort Bragg.
	This is the home of the Airborne.
	This is where, if you're in the Army and you're high speed, if you're one of those dudes, like, you know, real trigger pullers, right?
	This is home of the Special Forces, the Green Berets.
	This is home of Delta Force.
	It doesn't exist.
	Delta Force does not exist, but I can tell you where the compound is.
	I know where they train.
	They don't exist, though.
	The worst kept secret on the planet, Delta Force.
	You know, and you have all kind of other special ops.
	Everything, tip of the spear, goes through Fort Bragg.
	So Fort Bragg is part of, when I was in, it was called the Quick Reaction Force or Defense Ready Brigade.
	They call it something else now.
	But basically, the guys at Fort Bragg can be anywhere on the planet in 18 hours or less.
	So, you know, I know you're a fan of Russia, but I'm not.
	I trained to fight Russians.
	Of course, of course.
	Let Russia get too froggy and Putin will wake up one day and the sky will be full of the fucking 82nd Airborne Division just landing in his backyard.
	Oh, shit.
	Talking about talk that shit now, homie.
	We here now.
	So, same thing with the Middle East.
	You know, why you think Egypt and Jordan and the rest of them are like...
	Of course.
	And just a quick side note...
	When Jimmy Carter was president, and there was the Shah of Iran fail, right?
	And they took American hostages, they took the embassy, you probably heard about this, like this is back in the 80s, right?
	And there was a mission to get those guys out.
	They authorized Delta Force to go in and get them out.
	Reagan took all the credit for that.
	Even though it was Jimmy Carter that negotiated everything, that's a little secret that no one talks about.
	Jimmy Carter did all that.
	Even though he was one of the worst presidents in American history, he did actually negotiate and get that whole deal going and then Ronald Reagan took all the credit, bro.
	You know why Jimmy Carter did that?
	Because he was Navy.
	That was back in the day when our president served in the military.
	He was Navy.
	That mission went tits up.
	There was a problem in the desert.
	Some helicopters crashed.
	The operators were lost.
	They couldn't go accomplish the mission.
	The mission went tits up.
	The movie Argo was based on that, if I'm not mistaken.
	With Ben Affleck, guys.
	If you guys want to get a kind of like a...
	He snuck so many people out.
	Yeah.
	The movie Argo is based on that.
	Sorry.
	So here's the thing.
	With that mission that no one really talks about.
	You guys can look this up.
	I'm not lying to you.
	Part of that mission was Delta was going to go in, they were going to get into the embassy, do the shit that they do, Kill the bad guys, get all the good guys, put them on a bus.
	Now you gotta get them out the country, right?
	Yeah.
	So you gotta take them to some airport somewhere, right?
	Well, someone had to go get that airport and secure it.
	Yeah.
	United States Rangers.
	Yeah.
	The Rangers had already taken the airport before this mission went tits up.
	So the Rangers had invaded Iran, taken the airport, and was waiting for Delta to bring the people back so they can get the hell out of there.
	Of course.
	They had, you know, it was some bang-bang going on with the Iranians, you know, and they secured the airport.
	They allegedly took a busload of people.
	They were just like, what do we do with these people?
	Like, oh, I guess we keep them here for now.
	We'll let them go when the mission's over.
	Then they get word, screw up the mission.
	Get out of there.
	So they took the people allegedly with them and they left.
	We went in there, took the airport, did some bang-bang, had some Iranians, took them with us.
	Go look that up, guys.
	I think I'm lying.
	Go look that up.
	So a lot of people, when we talk about America and I get excited about our military, I got to work with these dudes.
	I was walking around with these guys.
	These guys go anytime, anywhere.
	They'll go get it done.
	So, yeah, I love the military.
	I love my part in it.
	So I just wanted to do a little side note on that.
	But I got to Fort Bragg.
	We get to Fort Bragg, you got to go, any unit, you got to go to what they call a replacement company.
	A bunch of people get there, kind of like our waiting room for the city groups.
	Make sure you guys...
	Castle Club, man.
	Castle Club in there, man.
	It's like replacement.
	So I'm standing there in replacement.
	We're in the formation.
	It might have been, I don't know, 100 of us, right?
	We knew the war was going on.
	It hadn't started yet, but with the buildup, guys were going over.
	So we're standing there, and they start calling out names.
	They may have called, I don't know, 20 names out of this formation.
	About 100, maybe 200 in formation.
	They called out maybe 20 names, 30 names, whatever.
	We call your name.
	We want you to go fall out and stand over there.
	My name is one of the names that got called.
	I'm fall out.
	I'm over there in a small, little small group of us over there standing there.
	So we're thinking, we're like elbowing each other like, those fuckers going to war over there.
	You know what I mean?
	Because that's the big formation.
	Like, they're going to war.
	So we're like laughing, standing there like, ah, bye.
	And so they turn to the big formation.
	And they're like, all right.
	When I tell you to fall out, go back to your barriers.
	Go see so-and-so and so-and-so.
	Go do this, that, and the other.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Fall out.
	Then they turn around to us.
	You lucky bastards, guess where you're going?
	Damn.
	You guys are going forward.
	Your units are already over there and you're going to be joining your unit.
	That's how the army say, yeah.
	We're going to war.
	It's just us.
	Just us, like 20, 30 of us, whatever it was, just us.
	We're going to go join our unit that's already in country.
	So they gave us all of our shots.
	They were breaking the rules.
	It's supposed to take you a while to get all your shots and process out, but they got it all done ASAP. It's the only time in my life I ever passed out.
	They gave me so many shots.
	I passed out.
	I woke up like 18 hours later.
	And they were like, where you been?
	You know, I was like, sleep?
	They sent us back to fort.
	Were you nervous?
	I didn't get nervous until I got there.
	I didn't get nervous until I got there.
	I mean, I knew I always wanted to be a soldier, and soldiers fight.
	And we went to war, so I didn't have to enlist.
	And think about it.
	I left at a time in the streets when things were getting really hot in the streets.
	So I knew what I was doing.
	And as it turns out, I was safer in a combat zone than I was back home.
	I'm writing letters.
	Yeah, we used to write letters, y'all.
	We ain't had that email internet shit y'all got now.
	Yeah, that's the early 90s.
	We're writing letters.
	I'm writing letters home.
	I'm getting letters back home.
	You know, so-and-so got popped.
	This, you know, this person just got locked up.
	This, this, you know what I mean?
	And I'm over here like, so how are you doing?
	I'm like, good.
	You know what I mean?
	You know, dodged a couple scuds, you know what I mean?
	Some random spark fire here and there, but hey, we over here chilling.
	Dusty.
	Yeah, yeah, Dusty.
	So that was it.
	So where'd you end up going in your first duty location when you went?
	Saudi Arabia.
	Saudi Arabia.
	So you touched on Saudi Arabia first.
	They sent me straight to war.
	Okay.
	So we left Fort Benning.
	They put us on a Northwest 747.
	I'll never forget.
	They chartered Northwest Airlines 747 jumbo jet.
	It's full of all...
	So you landed in Saudi Arabia because we don't have a base there.
	King 5 Military Complex is where I landed.
	KKMC. I landed King 5 Military Complex.
	Do you have a base there now or no?
	Because isn't that something that Sawyer always said we'll never let you have a military base?
	Yeah, but we ran their stuff.
	So it wasn't technically ours, but it was ours.
	Because we were responsible for protecting them because that's the whole deal with the petrodollar.
	So...
	Yeah.
	George Gammon has some thoughts on that.
	We'll talk about that a little bit later.
	So we landed King 5 Military Complex, and then from there, they will break you up into smaller groups, find out where your unit is.
	My unit was just outside of RAFA. So we're in Riyadh or whatever, and my unit is just outside of Rafa.
	The road that was called Tap Line Road, because it was this long-ass pipe that ran along this road in the middle of the desert.
	Real quick, just so the audience knows, because we're assuming that they're going to know this.
	What conflict are we talking about?
	Who was at war?
	What was the issue with it?
	And can you just tell them the geopolitical background of that conflict?
	It was Desert Storm.
	It was the original.
	It was the first in the trilogy.
	And we had a trilogy now, right?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	It was the first.
	It was Desert Storm.
	So Saddam Hussein had a beef with Kuwait.
	Saddam Hussein went in to take Kuwait.
	Now, I haven't really researched it too much, but from what I understand, Saddam had a legitimate beef with Kuwait.
	I mean, I don't think he was wrong for what he did.
	But there's an agreement.
	America has to protect a lot of countries over there.
	Especially Saudi Arabia.
	And that jeopardized Saudi Arabia's national security.
	Yes.
	They were afraid that Saddam...
	And keep in mind at this time, Saddam's army was like the third biggest army.
	They had like the largest armored force.
	They were constantly fighting with Iran.
	They had a lot of combat experience.
	There were threats to Israel as well.
	Yes.
	And he had the Republican Guard.
	So like these guys were combat hard and combat ready.
	You know, like they knew what they were doing.
	So when he took Kuwait, got all the oil and everything, and now Saudi's like, oh, this dude might come over and do something to us.
	George H.W. Bush, the president.
	George Bush's father, guys.
	Yes.
	Who was director of the CIA prior to that.
	Prior to that.
	That's the guy who, you know, Iran-Contra, and, you know, they shout out to Free Ray Ricky.
	That's how he got all his money.
	Can't be on him, Ali North, and all that.
	So...
	He was president and he was like, we're gonna go over here.
	We're gonna stop, you know, Saddam.
	He kept calling him Saddam Hussein.
	Like, we're gonna stop Saddam Hussein.
	Saddam?
	Oh my God.
	Don't look up the videos, y'all.
	There are a bunch of country boys from Texas.
	There they are, boy.
	The Bushes.
	The Bushes.
	Oil family.
	Oil, big money.
	Yeah, big money.
	So George H.W. Bush, I have a lot of respect for him.
	Navy, aviator, that guy fought in the Pacific, got shot down.
	You know, lost two of his crew.
	And then he found out later as president, two of his crew members got, it was three of them on board.
	He got shot down.
	He landed in the water.
	The crew members landed on land, occupied by the Japanese.
	We're fighting.
	This is World War II, guys.
	I know we're jumping around, but stay with us.
	And George H.W. Bush never knew what happened to those guys.
	It was one of his best friends, actually, who just happened to be, hey, I'm about to go on a bombing mission.
	Do you want to go?
	He's like, yeah, I'll go.
	So I would never do some shit like that.
	But hey, so his best friend and then, you know, George Bush is flying and then he had his navigator or whatever back there.
	And they're doing their thing.
	They get shot down.
	He never knew what happened to those guys.
	Wow.
	Fast forward, decades later, he's president of the United States.
	He's going over some documents.
	He's going over paperwork.
	He comes across the names of those two men, and he found out how they met their end.
	And if they were captured by the Japanese, they were tortured.
	And allegedly, there was some cannibalism involved.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, wow.
	So it was like a horrible way to go.
	Yeah.
	So imagine, you're president of the United States, you're doing your thing, and all of a sudden, you figure out what happened to your homeboys while you're sitting there, right?
	Still got to take care of the country, still got to take care of the world.
	So this is the guy that sent us over to the Middle East.
	Yeah.
	And we, you know, so U.S. forces were mobilized.
	They sent the 82nd Airborne Division there first as a speed bump.
	Whenever America goes to war, this is back in the 90s, early 90s, a lot of protests and all that kind of stuff.
	But we still went.
	And what happened?
	Well, America got to showcase their stuff.
	That's when we found out about the Patriot missile.
	That's when we found out how good the M1 Abrams tank is.
	That's when we found out how good, you know, the Bradley fighting vehicle is.
	You know, that's when we found out all of our technology.
	Our last conflict was Vietnam, if I'm not mistaken.
	The last major conflict was Vietnam, but after Vietnam, there was Panama.
	There was Grenada, then there was Panama.
	Smaller things.
	Yeah.
	And then, like, special ops stuff going on.
	I was going to say, that was special ops stuff.
	So, like, we didn't showcase, like, the military might, like, from a more general perspective.
	Yeah, since Vietnam.
	Okay.
	So you got all this.
	You got the F-14 Tomcat.
	I think that's when the F-16s were online.
	So, you know, laser-guided munitions, cruise missiles, all that stuff.
	You know, you look at it.
	I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but we had a lot of shit to sell.
	We was like...
	Hey, look what we can do.
	Who wants one of these?
	You know what I mean?
	So we went over there.
	It was a showcase for the military industrial complex.
	Yes, yes.
	And so that's to set the stage.
	That's what happened.
	So that's, you know, here I am, this kid from Cincinnati, in the middle of the desert, in the middle of Saudi Arabia, you know what I mean?
	On the border, doing our thing as an air traffic controller.
	So yeah, we were there.
	I got to meet the culture.
	This is why I don't go to the Middle East.
	No offense to y'all over there, but I don't fuck with y'all, man.
	I'll do you over there.
	What you say, stay over there?
	Stay over there.
	Hashtag stay over there.
	Stay over there.
	If y'all come over here, you do what we do.
	But I ain't coming over there to party.
	But people tell me things have changed a lot since I was there.
	Saudi Arabia, they're trying to become more westernized and bring tourism and stuff.
	They're looking at the UAE and they're like, well, they're bringing a bunch of money over there.
	So you were in Saudi Arabia the whole time?
	They're doing the air traffic control?
	Yeah, I was there, and they didn't have a lot for us to do.
	Whenever a war, back then, whenever there was a war, all of the officers want to go because you want that combat time.
	Yeah.
	That's for your career stuff.
	So everyone wanted a piece of this war.
	We were over there, had nothing really to do.
	We had tactical teams.
	Later on, I was on a tactical team, but back then I wasn't.
	Our attack teams were out doing shit.
	I know one of the guys I was on our attack team.
	Were they in Saudi Arabia?
	Were they in Kuwait?
	Were they in Iraq?
	They were all over?
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, they were where they needed to be.
	Okay.
	So, one of our guys, real good guy, shout out to you V, wherever you at bro, he was on the team and they were where they were and It's just four-man team, no heavy weapons, really just our side-arms, M16s, whatever you got, you know, your side-arms or whatever, 45 or 9mm, whatever you're carrying, and maybe an AT4, a law, some hand grenades, whatever you can carry, right?
	It is nighttime, and he said, man, I heard this god-awful noise coming.
	Just this noise, you didn't know what it was, it's the metallic noise.
	It's getting closer, closer and closer, and he can fit in there.
	It's close enough now, it's like, man, that's a tank.
	NVGs, batteries were dead.
	So couldn't really see.
	You can hear it.
	And if you've ever been in the desert at night with no moon, it's like being in the closet, bro, with a hood over your head.
	You can't see nothing.
	Damn.
	So you can hear.
	So they're like, is a tank coming?
	It's like four guys.
	Bro, is a tank coming?
	We're not ready for this.
	And it turns out that that tank was French Foreign Legion.
	The Foreign Legion was sent to protect their flank.
	But because their radios were down or whatever, and they couldn't tell them the tank was coming to protect you, all they knew was tanks are coming.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And they didn't know what to do.
	And then, you know, the Legionnaires show up, aha, what do you eat?
	He's like, all right, cool.
	So just an idea of how jumbled war can be.
	Of course, of course.
	You know, fog of war is terrible.
	A lot better now, more technology.
	We can see everything now, but back then it was still kind of, you know, stone ages.
	So yeah, I was over there and we did our thing.
	We never really got to do a mission.
	When the ground war started and we were briefed, so our mission was to set up a dummy airport.
	Real close to an airport that we're going to be using for supply missions.
	And our job was to turn on all of our equipment, all of our ATC stuff, all of our tactical stuff.
	So the Army has everything tactical, like everything you can see at the airport, the Army has on the back of a truck.
	So you can, you know, tower, radar, all this kind of stuff.
	They can do whatever they need to do.
	They want us to turn on all our equipment.
	So the Iraqis would see us, fire at us, and keep fire off of the real airport that was over here that was doing the real work.
	You're like, oh, I got you.
	I mean, this is a bullshit mission.
	It's setting you up, man.
	Follow orders, right?
	And I remember we were packing to create a move.
	We were going to convoy to our position and set up.
	And the one thing that I remember from my time over there was we were moving crates of body bags.
	You know, I'm just like, you know, it's like bag, human remains.
	That's what it said on the crate.
	Like, these are body bags?
	They're like, yeah, load them up.
	And it's like, these are for me.
	Like, these bags, I'm going to wind up in one of these bags after we go over here and turn on our equipment because they're going to triangulate on our position.
	Was it American?
	Bodies?
	Yeah, our body bags.
	Oh, it was ours.
	Okay.
	We're just packing up our stuff and getting ready to move.
	Yeah, it wasn't an enemy.
	Okay.
	No, but did any of your friends pass away during this period of time where, like, you were there?
	No, none of my guys...
	No, there was some friendly fire accidents over there, but none of my guys were involved in that, luckily.
	Like, all our guys...
	We had a guy...
	We had a guy who wanted to go home.
	He got tired of being over there and wanted to go home, so allegedly...
	You know how you have the universal weights thing, the pulleys and the plates, the little plates go up, you know what I'm saying?
	Like you're doing the pulleys on the weights and then he pulled them up, put his hand in there, let the weights go.
	Allegedly.
	Oh, so that he can get a medical discharge.
	He went home.
	He sent him home.
	Crushed his hand.
	I saw his hand.
	It was all pinned up and everything.
	I remember I saw a dude in our unit and brag when I was going over and I was like, why are you here?
	And then when I got over, they told me about dude.
	Yeah.
	So allegedly that's what happened.
	Okay.
	I'm like, I don't ever want to go home that bad.
	Yeah, where you got to do that shit.
	You'll get in trouble.
	If they could prove it?
	Yeah.
	If they could prove it, that's a dishonorable discharge from an investigation, all that.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	The military courts are not as nice.
	No, no.
	So Desert Storm, we thought was going to be real crazy, but our technology was so superior that it went like that.
	The missions went so fast.
	Yeah, Desert Storm was not a long conflict.
	What, two years?
	What?
	Man, after we started, it might have been like four days.
	Okay.
	Really?
	Bro, we dismantled their army.
	Look up Road of Death.
	Okay.
	Desert Storm Road of Death.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And we destroyed those guys.
	You know, Storm and Norman Schwarzkopf.
	He was in charge.
	He wanted to make sure that thing was swift.
	But when you say what, like the whole conflict between beginning and the issue, the tensions rising, what, a year, two years?
	Maybe a year, year and a half.
	See, this is good because you don't get these in books.
	You're seeing someone who's actually there talking about it.
	We were saying once we had boots on ground and we were over there, days.
	It was done.
	Obviously, leading up to the conflict wasn't long.
	I got there January 91.
	I was home by spring.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	And I was supposed to stay extra because I was one of the last guys there.
	So, look, we're going to let everybody else go home.
	You're going to have to stay over here with this equipment, put it on the ship.
	I was supposed to stay there for another three months.
	But then another guy wanted to do that.
	He wanted to do it for various reasons, so I got to go home.
	Okay.
	I was like, ooh, I was going to just be stuck over there.
	And that's the first time I ever got to talk to Palestinians.
	First time I ever met Palestinians, we were in Saudi Arabia in the rear with the gear.
	Everything was over.
	We were just waiting to go home.
	And we saw a carload of girls.
	You know what I mean?
	They weren't wearing ninja uniforms, so we were like, who...
	They can't be locals.
	They can't be locals.
	He's talking about the hijab.
	And they spoke English.
	We were talking to them.
	They were like, you know, 16, 17-ish.
	And, you know, we're young.
	You were 18 at the time.
	And then they invited us to their house.
	And we got to talk to, like, dad and everything.
	Which, great.
	I mean, Palestinian folks, I didn't know anything about that.
	This is my first experience with, you know, and he was telling us about the West Bank and Gaza and everything.
	And this was, again, this was 1991.
	This is right after the first Intifada.
	Because the first one, if I'm not mistaken, was 89.
	First Intifada, which means the rise up, guys.
	Sorry.
	Right.
	But here's the thing, though.
	That's the first time I ever saw true hatred.
	In someone's eyes.
	Like, I mean, I've seen people mad.
	I've been in scrapes.
	You know, we've heard the pop pops and all that.
	But I ain't never seen nobody.
	Like, we were just talking about the situation.
	He didn't hate people.
	He hated the situation.
	It was true hate.
	You know, because he was a refugee.
	He managed to get out of there.
	He got his family out of there.
	I don't know where he went next.
	I don't know where they ended up.
	Maybe they end up here.
	Maybe they wind up in Germany.
	I mean, Patrick B. David, he came out of his country when he was like 10.
	Went to Germany as a refugee.
	So...
	But the Palestinians, and then when I talk to my friends who are Israeli and who live there, the only time I've ever seen true hate was when I'm talking to these folks and they're talking about that situation over there.
	And it's on both sides.
	You know why?
	He was probably there for the Nakba in 48 or something like that.
	This is the 90s?
	Yeah, he was probably a little kid.
	He was probably a kid when that happened.
	And for those that are wondering, the Nakba was the day that pretty much Israel was created.
	After World War II, they wanted to go somewhere.
	And that's where a lot of them got displaced from their homes.
	So like, yeah.
	I would imagine he's probably good.
	So that's the first time I saw true hatred.
	It was an amazing man.
	I was like, we were just so cool and everything.
	And I was like, damn.
	And I remember thinking like, I think that's how white people used to hate us.
	Like my ancestors.
	I'm surprised that he was in Saudi Arabia.
	I mean, most of them went to Jordan or to other places.
	So he was in Saudi or Egypt.
	But it might've been like a stopover.
	Maybe they were going somewhere else.
	Yeah.
	Who knows?
	Real cool guy.
	You know what I mean?
	So, yeah.
	That's the first time you heard about the conflict.
	First time.
	And then from there, of course, I started looking into it.
	That's something you guys need to do.
	Like, when you hear these things, don't just rely on us to tell you.
	Look this shit up for yourself.
	It's easy now.
	You can see your phone.
	Just pull out your phone.
	You can tell you anything you want to know.
	You know, back in the day, I had to go to a library.
	You know what I mean?
	I had to get some books.
	You know what I mean?
	We got charged.
	We didn't bring the books back.
	You know what I mean?
	I think the library's still looking for me.
	I think I might have a couple of their books.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Most of these Gen Z guys don't even know what you're talking about.
	I have no idea who you're talking about.
	You just have a library card, guys.
	You take a book out or a couple books out, and if you don't bring them back in a certain time, they find you and shit like that.
	Yeah, they send the mob after you, man.
	You know what I mean?
	Some Barbados is so small.
	Everyone knows each other.
	So if you didn't return your book, they'd be like, Mrs.
	Cheryl, your son didn't bring the book back.
	And everyone would know in the town.
	Oh, that you didn't have those?
	Yeah, everyone would tell on you.
	Don't need to join the service to see the world, but...
	I like to see the world from the sights of my weapon, bro.
	Like, I travel now, but it was nothing like...
	If somebody give you a hard time and you standing behind a Mark 19, you know, it was an automatic grenade launcher, bro!
	That's how I wanted to see the world.
	And it's free.
	You're seeing it for free, too.
	People don't understand that traveling is extremely expensive now, so doing it through the military is a great way to become more worldly without breaking your pocketbooks.
	And you learn a bunch of tangible skills while you're in the military.
	Do you think if there was a World War III right now, the guys of today are drafted in, can handle this pressure?
	Yes, and I'll tell you why.
	Think about how America was prior to World War II or World War I. You want to talk about naive guys in the bubble, whatever.
	All they knew was right around them.
	And then in World War I, they got sent overseas.
	Now they find themselves in trenches or Bellowood, right?
	Or World War II, they find themselves in Normandy or they find themselves in Guadalcanal somewhere or, you know what I mean, island hopping, fighting the Japanese.
	Those guys were able to do it.
	I think these guys could do it.
	But the problem is, if we went to a situation where it was a big conflict, like let's say that what's going on with Gaza and what's going on in Ukraine with Russia, and then Taiwan pops up, and it's a conventional war, and we have to draft and all that kind of stuff.
	The army won't be friendly.
	It won't be nice anymore.
	It'll be a draft.
	You'll get training.
	It ain't no, I'm going to call my mom.
	They had this thing called stress cards when I was getting out.
	I'm feeling stressed, drill sergeant.
	You can hold up your card.
	You hold up that card, they'll probably shove it right up your...
	They will beat you in that scenario because...
	When you're looking at a scenario where we lose everything America is, you lose that war, you lose America, all this niceties, all that bullshit goes out the window.
	Now you're fighting for survival.
	Let me ask you this, Saint.
	I get this question a lot from people.
	Hey, I'm thinking about joining the military.
	I'm 17, I'm 18.
	I've talked to a recruiter, you know, or I'm in college right now and I want to become a, you know, go to OCS, Officer Candidate School.
	Could you advise, would you say it's an intelligent decision for somebody to go into the military now in 2024 with, you know, the global conflicts that we got going on?
	Do you think it's a viable choice for people nowadays?
	What's your thoughts?
	That's a tough question, bro.
	I ain't gonna lie to you.
	I struggle with this one.
	Okay.
	Prior to...
	I would say prior to 2000...
	Or you could give the good and the bad.
	You could give maybe why it might be good, why it might be bad, if you can't come with a conclusive, and then let them decide, hey, this is what you can look up on the positives, these are the negatives, and then let them come to their conclusion.
	But everything's better.
	Yeah, I would say...
	I used to be 100% yes, join the military.
	Especially if you come from a background like mine.
	The sky's the limit.
	Join the military.
	Just be smart.
	Figure out where you want to go.
	Do your research.
	I was all in.
	But I would say about maybe 10 years ago or so, I started to rethink that.
	You know, and for various reasons.
	You know, right now, I really hate the fact that the people who decide where we fight have never fought.
	I don't like that.
	I don't like that at all.
	And those same people who decide where we fight, they've never fought, and their children aren't in the military.
	So who are they sending?
	I think this goes back, was the last president that fought in the military, was it Reagan?
	Reagan didn't serve in the military.
	He couldn't get in.
	Okay, so Reagan was one of the first...
	He couldn't get in.
	So Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Bush Jr., and now we got Trump.
	None of these guys served in the military.
	Jr.
	was.
	We got to give him half credit because he was an air guard.
	So he was, yeah, W... I'm pretty sure Daddy hooked him up.
	W was in the reserve or the air guard or something like that.
	So he technically served.
	Sorry your reserve is out there.
	I don't count my reserve time.
	I did four years.
	That's the only thing I count.
	Count the rest of that.
	You only count active.
	That's me.
	Okay.
	But technically he served.
	So he was a reservist for four years.
	And he was the last one.
	He was the last president to serve in the military.
	But every president after that hasn't been in.
	Was Clinton in?
	I don't think even Clinton served.
	Okay.
	The last one.
	So Jimmy Carter was the real one.
	The last one to serve active.
	Jimmy Carter, and then, well, Bush W. was the last one technically.
	Bush Sr., yeah.
	Bush Sr., yeah, he was absolutely hardcore.
	Bush, like I said, the shit he went through, right?
	So Reagan, Clinton, all the rest of them.
	Junior, Obama, Trump, yeah, none of them.
	And Biden.
	And Biden never did either, yeah?
	Never served.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	If I were a commander and had my way, everybody in the United States, every man, woman, You know what I mean?
	We'll have to serve.
	You're 18 years old, two years of service, United States military.
	None of this.
	Well, my daddy is rich.
	Nope.
	If you're a rich person, like you're one of the Kennedys or the Rockefellers or whatever, we're going to give you a fake name, put your ass in there, and you're going to serve.
	And then when you come out, if you become one of the elites and you run the country, at least you know what it means.
	When George H.W. Bush sent us to war, he knew exactly what he was doing.
	He knew exactly what that meant.
	He knew people were going to lose their lives.
	When I was at Fort Bragg, for the four years I was there, I was there for three years, the four years I was there, I was three years at Bragg.
	There used to be this big sign.
	If anybody's at Liberty or whatever they call it now, let me know if this sign is still there.
	It should be this big-ass sign.
	It's home of the 82nd Airborne Division.
	If the base could go 82 days without somebody dying, this is during peacetime.
	If we can go 82 days without someone dying, we would get like an extra day off, like a holiday.
	I think we got like, I was there three years, we got like a holiday I think twice.
	So what does that mean?
	Every time they train, every time you move a lot of people, someone dies.
	It is dangerous in the United States military.
	We train hard, right?
	Why?
	Because America's business is serious.
	So, you know, and that's one of those things, bro.
	It's like, every American...
	Like, I know how you feel about women being in the military.
	I'm like, fuck that.
	They can serve.
	They can do...
	We need cooks.
	We need, you know, clerical specialists.
	We need...
	I just don't think they should be in infantry.
	And, you know, another thing, too, that I like.
	Like, yeah.
	If they can meet the standard, fine.
	Sure, yeah.
	One standard.
	One standard.
	Not like...
	Nothing against those female Rangers out there that made it through Ranger school.
	Y'all know y'all did not make it through Ranger school.
	Quit fucking bullshit.
	Yeah.
	They know.
	Y'all had a special thing, because it was a political thing.
	But if you can make the standard, I don't care what you want.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I agree.
	If they can pass the standard, put them in.
	One standard.
	But one standard, though, yeah.
	One high standard.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	One high standard.
	So I think everyone should have to join the United States military for at least two years.
	I'm not opposed to that.
	And then, if you want to be president or whatever, it's kind of like that movie.
	What's that movie with the bugs and shit?
	No, when they were fighting the bugs.
	Chad, what's the name of that movie when they were, the space movies, they was fighting the bugs?
	Men in Black?
	Uh-uh.
	It was like a war movie.
	Independence Day?
	Was it not life?
	Nah, look in the chat.
	Someone in the chat is going to tell us, what was that movie called, bro, when they were fighting the bugs with the Ricos, Warriors, whatever the fuck it was.
	Starship Troopers.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Demon Fingers.
	You the man.
	Starship Troopers.
	That's a series of books.
	I never read the book.
	But in that world, in order to be a citizen, you had to serve.
	If you didn't serve, you weren't a citizen.
	You couldn't vote.
	You couldn't get certain things.
	You couldn't buy certain things.
	I'm okay with that.
	I'm okay with that.
	Oh, you didn't serve and you want a government loan?
	No.
	Oh, you didn't serve and you want a STEMI check?
	No.
	You know what I mean?
	If you did serve, yeah, you get all that shit.
	Come on in.
	Come on in.
	Get your government along.
	Oh, you want to be a businessman?
	Yeah.
	You want to be President of the United States and you didn't serve?
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, one of the titles of the President of the United States is Commander in Chief, which means you run the military.
	You absolutely are the absolute authority on the military.
	You know what I mean?
	No one could really stop you on what you decide.
	So it's like, yeah, I agree.
	I think mandatory military service wouldn't be bad, and then it would sharpen up a lot of these guys that are pussies and soft.
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	So finish up with what you're saying.
	So would you advise a young guy nowadays to get into the military?
	Because that's a question we get all the time on these Zoom calls.
	Guys that don't really know their place.
	They don't know what to do.
	They're like, I'm 18.
	I don't have any direction.
	I want to figure something out.
	Would you suggest they do it nowadays with the geopolitical climate war in 2024 specifically?
	I would say this.
	Let's say you're in the hood and you're about to get taken all the way under by the streets.
	Join the military.
	Join whatever branch to take you.
	Marine Corps is probably going to be the one for you.
	Okay.
	Join Marine Corps, join the army.
	Get out of the streets.
	Okay.
	For those people, you just don't have the money.
	You know what I mean?
	You know, you're losing people every day.
	Look what happened to Julio Fulio.
	Like if you're in that world and you're looking for out, join the military today.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now the other side of that, if you're in college, He's like, okay, I have my degree, but man, I owe $100,000, $150,000.
	And they got a bullshit degree.
	They got a bullshit degree.
	Join the military.
	Okay.
	Join, especially as an officer, because recently, as recent as like maybe 18 months ago, maybe less, The Navy was offering up to like $120,000 in college for college, either repayment or going to college.
	Sheesh.
	So you got to always watch because they're having trouble reaching their numbers.
	So what do they go to?
	They go to, what can we give you?
	It used to be $70,000 and they lowered the standard down.
	They want $70,000 recruits a year, if I'm not mistaken.
	And they lowered the standard to $55,000 or something like that.
	But yeah.
	So if you're up there, you got this big debt.
	How am I going to clear this debt?
	Join the military.
	If you're in the middle, Come from a good home, you know, you got a halfway decent job, you're savvy enough to level up and you know, you can work from home and then nah, don't join.
	Don't even think about it.
	If you're doing alright, don't even think about it.
	Because I saw a lot of those people join when I was in and they found themselves in faraway lands or they found themselves in situations here.
	The only times we really got shot at for us, me and my buddy Jay Swans, was right here in fucking Dade County.
	They sent us down here for Hurricane Andrew relief.
	We're down in Homestead.
	Getting shot at.
	Really?
	America, baby!
	Yeah, wow.
	Okay.
	Land of the free, huh?
	Okay, so that's a pretty good...
	So, if you're in a bad situation, you know, you're around criminal activity, young, you don't really have any guidance in the military.
	If you get out of college and you got a bunch of debt and you got a dumbass degree...
	70K bonus joining last year.
	Okay.
	Along with...
	And what are the...
	And you can use your GI Bill retroactively, right?
	I had a shitty GI Bill.
	I had the Montgomery GI Bill, which was like, back then you had to get the college fund and you had to enlist more for that.
	So what I had, it barely even paid for books, bro.
	I'm keeping it $100.
	I had to enlist in the Ohio National Guard and they paid 100% of my tuition.
	But then the FAA came knocking.
	Okay.
	So I'm like, I'm out of here.
	Yeah.
	So, but yeah, you can, but today's benefits are outstanding.
	Almost as good as the Vietnam era stuff was.
	Okay.
	And the World War II era stuff was.
	The post 9-11 stuff, outstanding.
	Good benefits.
	Yeah.
	Let's do a show on that one day.
	What are the age requirements for people now to get into the military?
	Shit, 17, which you could be a minor, like 17, I think, with your parents' permission.
	18 years old.
	I think it's like 17 and a half, 18 years old.
	And again, guys out there, correct me if I'm wrong.
	It's been a long time.
	And that's it.
	You can't have any criminal paths.
	It used to be you couldn't even have misdemeanors.
	But then they went back to just, okay, you can have misdemeanors, but no felonies.
	Then it was like no violent crime.
	So there's always ways around that.
	But you just got to be 18.
	You got to have a high school diploma or GED. I was wondering, why not put the criminals in jail that are very vicious to fight for us?
	Because they're too vicious.
	They'll kill us.
	Yeah, and they won't follow orders.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, that's...
	It would never work.
	They'd go AWOL and shit.
	You know, absent without leave.
	Yeah, they would.
	They can't follow the law, bro.
	You think they'll follow military chain of command and know how to do things?
	They would never.
	No?
	Okay.
	That won't work.
	You'd commit a bunch of crimes.
	Yeah.
	You'd get some, like, penny, like, you know, got misdemeanors and stuff like that.
	Those guys, it might help.
	I know a guy that I worked with in the FAA. He was like, look, I got into some trouble.
	He was helping out a friend.
	His friend was, like, a bad guy, and my buddy was just a good guy who was in the car waiting.
	Police pulled him over.
	You know this story.
	There's some product in the car.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're all getting charged.
	What do y'all say?
	Whose is it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So my friend was like, I'll say it was mine because I got a clean record.
	Got before the judge.
	The judge was like, it messed up his whole thing in college.
	He was doing really good.
	The judge was like, I can sentence you to go do some time or you can join the military.
	And he joined the military.
	So they still do that, I guess, in certain places.
	Okay.
	Okay, so that's some pretty good advice.
	So if you got something going, you got a job, you got a good job or whatever, it might not be in your best interest to join, especially nowadays with how we got things going.
	But if you don't know where you are or even if you got a degree and you don't know what you're doing or you got a lot of debt, it might be a good option for you to get in there and get some real tangible skills versus a useless degree.
	What about MOSs?
	What do you think as far as people getting into the military, what should they look into?
	If they do decide to go this route, what MOSs should they?
	What does it stand for?
	Mode of specialty?
	Specialty, something like that, yeah.
	So MOS is your job.
	So your job is your MOS. My MOS back then was 93 Charlie.
	So you don't hear these numbers.
	11 Bravo, that's infantry.
	You know, 71 Lima, that was clerical specialist.
	88 Mike, back when it was truck driver.
	I don't know what the numbers are now.
	Here's the thing with the job.
	If you're in a situation where you gotta go, well...
	All that's based on your ASVAB. You scored.
	If they say the only thing you qualify for is a truck driver, take it.
	Yeah.
	You come out of college, you can negotiate.
	Okay.
	So you can kind of tell them what you want.
	They're going to start offering you some real cool stuff.
	You know, like, okay, we can get you air defense and we can get you.
	Now cyber is huge because all the cyber attacks and stuff like that.
	So you can get in there and they're going to teach you how to code and all that kind of stuff.
	The government's going to pay for it.
	I think something like that would be good.
	The bottom line is this, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
	You're going to enlist in the United States military.
	Understand that they are going to use you, and they're going to abuse your body.
	When you enlist in the United States, you're a government-issued GI. That's what that stands for, bro.
	Government issue.
	You do what they tell you to do, or they will lock you up.
	Because you signed the dotted line.
	They have an independent court, by the way, for that.
	You guys aren't going to go get indicted by a federal grand jury.
	No, you're going to get court-martialed, and it's a whole other process.
	I would say you have less rights in the military court than in the CIA courts.
	U.C.M.J., Military Code of...
	What is he?
	Military Justice?
	U.C.M.J. Uniform Code of Military Justice.
	I told y'all I'm old, man.
	It's been a long time.
	I got big head, two shits floating around.
	So, Uniform Code of Military Justice, man.
	So, what happens to you in the military court?
	It depends on who the rank of the judge.
	If you got a captain, a captain can only do so much to you, right?
	But if you are a field-grade officer, a major or above, they can kill you.
	They can send you to death, especially in the combat zone.
	I don't know if they change that around or that, but field-grade officers can do way more to you.
	So if you got a major, you can do something wrong.
	He can lock you up, do whatever.
	You know what I mean?
	So know what you're getting into, ladies and gentlemen.
	But, damn, pick the job that's going to work for you.
	Pick a field that translates into...
	The civilian world.
	Like me, air traffic controller.
	Perfect segue.
	Right?
	So, I came out as an air traffic controller.
	Now, I was in the army doing air traffic control, but I was a technical guy.
	So, what did that really mean?
	That meant that I was a very highly trained, highly skilled grunt.
	I was still in the woods.
	I was sneaking up on my food.
	I was setting ambushes.
	I was doing all sorts of things.
	I wasn't in a tower talking to airplanes.
	But...
	I am an air traffic controller.
	It says so.
	I finished all the training.
	So when I got out, the government looked at that and said, hey, we need air traffic controllers.
	Are you an air traffic controller?
	Yes, sir.
	Can you prove it?
	Here's my DD-214.
	You're hired.
	Wow.
	DD-214 is your discharge paperwork from the military, guys.
	That was a special program.
	Now, to back up just a little bit, to give you guys all the sauce, This is about networking.
	This is why I'm always talking about, you know, freshest networking skills.
	I know y'all be hating on fresh.
	I swear to God, I don't know why.
	But this man, listen to me when it comes to networking.
	I met someone when I was in the army.
	My second year.
	I met an older gentleman, a brother, solid man, and he said, hey, you're in air traffic control.
	I'm like, yes, sir.
	He was in the Air Force, but he went on to do some great things, and he's like, if I could help you get in to the, you know, government side, would you be interested?
	I said, you know, yes, sir.
	This is how I'm talking to him.
	I went like, yeah, man, yeah, bro, yeah, that's lit.
	No, yes, sir.
	No, sir.
	I was standing, sitting up straight.
	He gave me his card.
	He said, you keep in touch with me.
	Right?
	That was 1992.
	Right?
	I got in in 1998.
	I got a call from him, like in 1994-ish, 95, no, 95, 96.
	He called me.
	You still interested?
	Yes, sir.
	And he told me what to do.
	You're out the military at this point, right?
	I'm out the military.
	So 1990 to 1994, you're out now.
	I'm out.
	Okay.
	And he hits you up right when you're coming out.
	I met him when I was in the military.
	Okay.
	Then all his time passes.
	I do all my army stuff.
	Go to Korea, doing all this other kind of stuff.
	I get out.
	I kept his number.
	I kept in touch like he told me.
	He told me to keep in touch.
	Yes, sir.
	I kept in touch, checking in.
	He gives me a call.
	You still want to do this?
	Yes, sir.
	I'm going to send you a packet.
	I need you to fill this packet out, and I need you to get it to this person on this day.
	Yes, sir.
	Right away, sir.
	You see me that packet, man?
	Was it SF50? Yeah.
	Because, you know, before the computers, we had to...
	Yeah.
	And, guys, SF50 is basically your entire...
	You go through...
	Because you have to get a clearance, right?
	Probably.
	So, yeah.
	Standard Form 50, which is basically like...
	It's like a standard government document from OPM, and you basically, like, fill out all your stuff.
	Name, address, where you lived the past 10 years.
	It's very extensive.
	Very, very extensive.
	Where you've been working, who you know.
	Yeah, references.
	And it was that, and then you had to put in your resume, you had to put in a whole bunch.
	Back then you had to put everything in there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So he told me to do it, I got it done, got it to the person, and then that was it.
	100 plus pages easily.
	Got all that done.
	My job.
	I'm in the streets.
	I'm doing my thing.
	So you went back to Cincinnati at this point.
	I went back to Cincinnati.
	I'm working as a janitor at a high school.
	Full-time job.
	That's from 2 to 10.
	And then from midnight to 8 a.m., I'm working at Walmart, working at Sears.
	So I always had two full-time jobs and a side hustle.
	I was street promoter.
	One of the local record labels.
	All Net Records, Tyrone Hill.
	Shout out to my boys.
	I worked for them until some Rainbow dude approached me.
	Let's just say I didn't work there anymore.
	Bad boys?
	Yeah, dude wanted to proposition me, so I messed up some of the office.
	I messed up some of the...
	I may or may not have...
	They might have needed some more drywall.
	So imagine what they did at Byboy.
	We can talk about that, bro.
	Because I've been in that business.
	The record side and the movie side, the record side is way worse.
	All the stuff you hear about the movie stuff, like with the Harvey's and all that kind of stuff, nothing compared to what was going on on the hip-hop side.
	I still can't believe Me Too missed that.
	Yeah.
	I covered that on FedReacts yesterday.
	It was covered up a lot, but now it's seeping out through the pores.
	Yeah.
	So going back to what you were saying, so you're doing the janitor work and you're working for Sears and stuff like that.
	Does Sears even still exist?
	Barely.
	I think they may have just a few left.
	Okay.
	Department store guys.
	JCPenney's, they're gone too.
	Kohl's, I think they're about to go.
	Goddamn.
	We got some problems, bro.
	Retail is wild.
	Nigga, who's going to Kohl's?
	That shit's trash.
	Who used to go in there anyway?
	Fresh.
	Everybody can't spend $15,000 on T-shirt, bro.
	Hold on, hold on.
	T-shirt, man.
	I go to Zara.
	I go to Target.
	I love it there, you know?
	You be in there chasing hoes.
	You don't be shopping in there, bro.
	Stick it, bro.
	Stick it, man.
	So you're there, right?
	So you're working in these two full-time jobs, and you're doing the thing with the music stuff, but you left that after.
	So, sorry, so you continue on.
	So you get this call in 94 while you're doing these jobs.
	While I'm doing these jobs, I get this call in 94.
	You did this for, what, about a year, maybe?
	Well, the first call came in and I did everything.
	And then I get another call like eight months later to go do some interviews.
	Go get this interview done.
	Oh, because you filled in your packet, then you get a call eight months later.
	Okay.
	Go get this interview done.
	Go this place.
	It was almost like CIA type shit.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like you get the message and shit.
	It's like this message will self-destruct type shit.
	Oh, whatever.
	I'm going to do my thing.
	Do the interviews.
	So it took about...
	A year and some change of me getting these calls.
	And the point I want you guys to take home from this, when someone is trying to help you, let them help you do what they say the first time.
	Don't be on some, oh, what was that?
	How much time do I have?
	Because if we're trying to help you, if I'm trying to help you, And you making it hard for me to help you?
	I'm like, yo, bye.
	Also, just to add to your point as well, if you're likable and you're humble about things, guess what?
	I want to help you even more now.
	So that right there proves, even after all that time, you know what?
	This young man I spoke to back then was humble and followed orders.
	I got his back.
	Yeah.
	So we went through this process.
	So from, I got out in 94.
	So from 94 until 98, I'm working two full-time jobs.
	My main full-time job was in school, and then I would have another full-time job, and then I would have my side hustle.
	And then maybe I did some other stuff that you wouldn't like.
	Just maybe.
	Maybe.
	Just maybe.
	Maybe I was selling stuff that looked like oregano.
	I don't know.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	But the point is, I was always working.
	I'm young.
	I'm in my 20s.
	I'm not in the basement.
	I'm chasing girls.
	I'm making time for that, but...
	I shouldn't have been, but I was chasing one, but my hustle was working.
	I had my dudes who was out there really cranking.
	I had dudes out there on some UJK, like Underground Kings type shit, UJK, pocket full of stones.
	I had them dudes.
	I had them dudes.
	Y'all know what I'm talking about.
	Got a pocket full of stones and they won't leave my ass alone.
	Them guys were doing their thing.
	They had the guys doing their green over here doing their thing, but they respected me because I just kept working.
	They were like, yo hustle is...
	They wouldn't even let me get involved.
	Your hustle is working, man.
	Just keep working.
	Your hustle is networking.
	Keep networking.
	So we do all this, right?
	And I get the call and he's like, okay, all your stuff is done with my man.
	He hooked me up.
	I'm like, cool.
	I'm like, now what?
	It's kind of here it is, 1996, going into 1997.
	I get a call from some lady like, hello?
	And FAA would like to formally ask if you would like to accept this position as an air traffic controller and ask me where I want to work.
	And they're like, well, I see that you're in this region.
	Did you want to wait until a position opens there?
	Or I'm like, no, I want to go to work now, tomorrow.
	And they're like, okay, we're going to send you to Northern California.
	I held up the phone.
	All that work that I was doing, y'all, back then, I was making maybe $28,000 a year.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	Well, granted, this is before inflation.
	So that roughly amounts to, this is what, 98?
	This was 96.
	96.
	$28,000.
	That's maybe 60 to 70K now.
	Can we put inflation calculator real quick?
	It was lower than that, y'all.
	It was lower.
	It might have been $25,000, $23,000.
	I wasn't making that.
	I mean, I was working hard, but minimum wage...
	What would your spending power be in today's dollars, you would say, roughly?
	Damn.
	Maybe 40k?
	Maybe 40k.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Maybe 40k, bro.
	So for $40,000 in today's spending dollars, you would say?
	Yeah.
	So you're making 25k back then, but if we took that money today, you'd be 40k.
	Yeah, about 40k.
	So you can see that's not going to do anything.
	Yeah, it's nothing, yeah.
	And you were working two full-time jobs during that.
	And a side hustle.
	A legit side hustle.
	My side hustles were always like the street promotions, and then I got into politics.
	You know, I'm always talking about politics.
	97, but he said it's 40k.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, we got it.
	Yeah, I got into politics.
	I was helping people, you know, any way I could.
	Networking.
	You live in Cincinnati, which has a very low cost of living.
	You're trying different things.
	You're trying new avenues.
	Were you paying rent a month back then?
	It might have been $800, $600, and barely making that.
	Maybe, yeah.
	Again, we wasn't money.
	Yeah.
	Which would have been maybe $1,100 today, $1,200 today.
	Yeah, so roughly, yeah, it's saying $49,000 today.
	Yeah, so that money didn't go for it.
	And I'm chasing chicks.
	Where do you think that money went?
	You know what I'm saying?
	People were like, oh, you take them out to find restaurants?
	Hell no, I took them to the park.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You're talking about taking a cheap date?
	Hell yeah.
	Why?
	Because I was broke.
	So you got this call.
	This is 96 now.
	When did you actually get out to Northern California for...
	1998.
	So 1998, I get my packet.
	They're like, welcome packet.
	You're going to Van Nuys Airport.
	Okay.
	And I'm like, looking at a map, right?
	Because back then, couldn't pull up your phone.
	Guys had to pull out a Thompson guy.
	Y'all know what that is.
	Look it up.
	Big-ass book.
	It's a big-ass map, right?
	So I'm opening it up.
	I'm looking all over Northern California.
	Can't find Van Nuys.
	I can't find it because it's in L.A. So they're telling me, government, typical government, you're going here, but you actually wind up going there.
	And at the time, Van Nuys was one of the busiest airports in the business.
	So not only am I going, I'm getting hired off the street.
	I'm an air traffic controller in name only, never really worked it.
	But I'm going to...
	It's like they're throwing me into the league, bro.
	Like, I'm going to the pros.
	Yeah, because it's a big airport.
	Big airport.
	And I'm like, shit.
	So this is not LAX, to be clear.
	It's not LAX. It's in the San Fernando Valley, Van Nuys, California.
	If you guys have ever flown into the Burbank Airport, you fly right over Van Nuys as you're trying to land at Burbank.
	Okay.
	So I got in there.
	It was very difficult, very hard.
	You know, your first year is an air traffic controller.
	It's probationary.
	They can fire you for anything.
	Yeah, that's like almost all government work.
	Right.
	And my guy who helped me out, my mentor, he was like, listen, I need you to focus 100% on this.
	Don't give anyone a reason to fire you.
	You need to be focused.
	Get it done.
	He knew where I was going.
	What'd you come in at salary-wise at this point?
	Well, at this point, they were coming off the GS scale, and the ATC scale came, because air traffic controllers have their own pay scale.
	Oh, they're not on GS. So, Mo, if you can find an ATC salary, or let's just say ATC scale, ATC scale, pay scale, It's above GS. Okay.
	So I came in and they were like, all right, you're going to...
	I would have been making like 60 grand, 50, 60 grand, but I came in and it was just like pay raise after pay raise.
	I came in like at 65 and then...
	That's back...
	65 in 1998.
	Oh, that's a lot of money.
	That's like 120 today, you would say?
	105.
	105 spending power today.
	Okay.
	And it kept growing up.
	That's what you came in at.
	That's good.
	They kept going up.
	Because I came in doing what they call reclass.
	They're going from the GS scale to this ATC scale.
	Damn, Monk.
	That's nice.
	Bro.
	So I'm making more money than the people who are training me.
	Because they get mad.
	Of course.
	Because they're like, if he finishes here, he's going to be making more than all of us.
	And I'm like, hey, my fault.
	I ain't come up.
	I'm just trying to learn how to do this shit.
	But again, being nice, networking, being humble.
	Uh...
	Air traffic controller.
	Pay scale.
	Pay scale to see a year.
	That's...
	Yeah, they have a...
	It's a government pay scale that should show air traffic control.
	That's it right there.
	Yeah, right there.
	Yeah, because it's.gov.
	Yeah, that's it right there.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Take your time.
	Take your time.
	He'll talk.
	So, um...
	I'm at this very busy place.
	I'm at a place that a lot of controllers want to go to.
	I get into ATC politics.
	Oh, it's important to know also.
	Guys, another reason why I probably got paid so much is because of locality pay.
	ATSP, I'm assuming, assumes locality as well.
	That was even before that.
	So there's no locality.
	No, no, you get it now, but that got on top of what I was making.
	Okay.
	So that was...
	Yes, you get that and you get...
	They have what's called CIP, controller incentive pay.
	On top of all that, you got locality government rate.
	And then on top of that, you have controller incentive pay because it's so expensive to live in LA, California, and all that kind of stuff.
	It is, yeah.
	So I'm like, yo, it's...
	So, the program I got hired under was called Veterans Relocation Act, VRA. So I just had to show them I was an air traffic controller and they just hired me.
	So here I am.
	They think I'm an experienced air traffic controller.
	I don't know any of the systems.
	I don't know any of the airports.
	I'm from the other side of the country.
	I didn't even know Van Nuys was in Southern California.
	I thought it was in Northern California.
	I'm in there studying my ass off because in my mind, I'm like, I can't let this man down.
	That's the scale right there.
	I can't let this man down.
	That's, I think, with today's dollars, probably.
	Right.
	I was an ATC 9, so you get that IX 9 or whatever.
	I was a 9, and so I came in.
	I would have been a $73,262 and add 20% to that.
	With all the incentive pays and everything else, add 20% to that.
	Okay.
	That's pretty good.
	When I finished, right, so you gotta, like, you gotta, I finished, I was ATC 11, and I was...
	So right there where, okay, okay.
	Yeah.
	And I was, not TMC, not, go down some more, where are the controllers at?
	I don't see the controllers on here, I'm...
	Oh, there it is, I'm sorry.
	Go back up to the top.
	CPC, yeah.
	So I was between that 164, 172 base rate.
	Okay, you were in that range.
	Is the 12 a managerial position?
	12 is just the type of facility.
	Miami Towers are 12.
	Miami centers are 12.
	That's like the facility level.
	Okay, depends on where you work.
	Okay, okay.
	So 11 is the highest you can get, not assuming facility matters?
	12.
	12 is?
	12 is the highest.
	Assuming we're not using facility, like you're working anywhere is 11 the highest?
	Because it seems to me like you can only hit a 12 depending on the facility that you're in.
	Right, so you have to go to...
	So you're thinking of steps in GS. Yeah.
	ATC is different.
	The facility is 12, so your pay is going to be under 12 for that facility.
	Which means more stressful, more responsibility, etc.
	So with the GS scale, anything over 13 is a managerial position.
	Yeah, you got those steps.
	Yeah.
	So FAA has their own pay for managers, but it's basically the same thing.
	It's just they give them an extra 20%, I think, or 8% on top of it.
	Okay, so they're on that same scale too.
	So a manager can be in 11 or 12.
	Yeah, even.
	All the way across.
	Okay, it depends on, it's based on facility.
	Yes, all facilities.
	So if you're a manager of facilities at ATC 8, let's say you're a manager down here in Miami.
	Yeah, like, there's a small airport down here in South Miami, I forget the name.
	Opalika?
	Yeah.
	Well, Opalika is private.
	So let's say you were a Fort Lauderdale executive.
	That's a small Fort Lauderdale executive.
	You guys will be flying out of here pretty soon with the race.
	Y'all are going to be private jet.
	Yes, sir!
	Even if we did, I ain't doing it.
	Yes, you are!
	I think there are eights.
	It's not worth it.
	Yeah, I think there are eights.
	I think there are ATC-8s.
	So you would be ATC-8 manager, and then you could be at the top step of ATC-8 would be like the highest rate, and then like the entry level would be down.
	Interesting.
	So in the air traffic controller world, you're paid based off the facility that you work.
	Yes.
	And I'm assuming that facility, depending on how stressful it is, how many planes come in, volume, et cetera, that dictates how much you get paid.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Yes.
	And then it's one of those things where as you go, so let's say you were a controller at Miami.
	Yeah.
	You're making ATC 12 pay.
	Now you want to be a supervisor, you know what I mean, at Fort Lauderdale Executive.
	Yeah.
	Well, you still stay in your band.
	So you will go to the absolute top of the band at the ATC 8.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	And then they'll throw a little bit on top.
	Okay.
	Tamiami.
	That's the other part I was trying to think of.
	Tamiami down south.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's what I was thinking about.
	So you go down to 10 Miami.
	I think 10 Miami is like a six or seven.
	Okay.
	And there are tricks in there as far as pay.
	You go someplace and maybe go through training but not make it, but they'll let you keep the pay raises and you go back to your other place.
	You know what I mean?
	Interesting.
	Very, very interesting.
	When you look at it, it was like, this must have been made by the union, which it was, because it's like, this is so beneficial to the workers.
	To the employees, yeah.
	So remember I told you Ronald Reagan fired their traffic controllers, right?
	Yeah, in the 80s you said there was a strike.
	No, not in the 80s.
	In the 80s it was a strike.
	Ronald Reagan fired the air traffic controllers.
	A lot of them got hired back whoever was still alive and could do it when I came in.
	So I got hired in with guys who got fired.
	So I show up at Van Nuys my first day.
	There's a bunch of controllers, like eight of us, six of us or eight of us or whatever.
	One of them got fired out of Van Nuys in the 80s.
	Okay.
	There was a guy that worked there that was a scab across the picket line.
	Okay.
	So, you got this guy who got fired back then and lost out on all his money for all his time.
	Now he's back.
	And he's standing next to, working next to the guy who replaced him.
	Okay.
	By crossing the picket line and all this kind of stuff, right?
	Wow.
	Boy, it was scab, just scab, that every day.
	Them dudes ready to go to blows like every single day.
	Now, what's a scab?
	A scab is a person who crosses the picket line.
	So you're like...
	Remember when the NFL went on strike way back in the day and they bring in other football players to go play as NFL players?
	Replacements.
	Replacements.
	And then when it strikes over, they fire all the replacements and bring back the big names.
	So...
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Scab is someone who basically said, fuck the picket line, I'm gonna go ahead and work, and I'll take the less pay.
	I'm cool with it.
	Or whatever the case may be.
	Yeah, which, okay, I can see why they get pissed off, because that directly messes their ability up to have leverage.
	Okay.
	So this new guy came in, all his time, Vietnam vet, crusty old dude, these white dudes.
	I'm sitting back like, this white boy's going at it.
	Yeah.
	And I'm sitting there like, I wonder if anybody's going to get shot.
	I don't think they're going to go that far.
	So it's like they kept the replacements.
	Yes.
	So they kept the replacements and they kept the people that protested.
	All them years later.
	Volatile.
	Bro.
	Yeah.
	I loved it.
	Yeah.
	I was in there watching it.
	Every day was drama.
	Why is it popcorn, bro?
	Because you're on neither side.
	I care less.
	You're a new hire.
	Yeah.
	You're a new hire.
	I didn't cross the picking line.
	Yeah.
	And I came into all the new money.
	So dude got fired.
	And then everything they wanted, they got all of them years later.
	So luckily he got in and he got the benefits from being brave enough to strike and fight.
	So would you say that those strikes are what led directly to the good benefits that air traffic controllers have now?
	100%.
	That strike broke the union.
	The union back then was called PACO. It broke that union and a new union emerged.
	It was called NACA, National Air Traffic Controls Association.
	And NACA was able to get everything that PACO tried to get and more.
	Gotcha.
	Now, when did you retire from air traffic controlling?
	I've been retired four years now.
	Okay, so you're obviously still aware of how it works in the modern.
	It's not like you were air traffic control in the fucking 70s and things have changed drastically.
	So, you got in through the military.
	Let's say someone doesn't have military experience like you do, right?
	How would they go ahead and go about becoming an air traffic controller?
	It's funny you ask.
	So, all you gotta do...
	Is applied because every now and then, back in the day, they would have these open hires.
	Kind of like going to work for the post office or something like that.
	It's a government job, right?
	They open the job up.
	USAJobs?
	USAJobs.gov.
	Let's go ahead and walk the people through it.
	Go USAJobs real quick.
	USAJobs.gov.
	Let's go ahead and show them how to do this.
	USAJobs.gov.
	Money Monday, guys.
	And 2152 is the series.
	Y'all know Myers always talked about series, right?
	You were 1811, right?
	Yeah, 1811.
	So it was 2152.
	2152.
	There it is.
	Air traffic control.
	And there it is.
	So right now, there's an open bid, which a bid is a job posting for air traffic control specialists.
	That one right there.
	You must have experience to bid that one.
	For terminal?
	Yes.
	They're looking for people who are like former controllers, maybe in the military, working for private air traffic control firms.
	They have the schooling or whatever.
	They're looking that you have to have experience.
	Okay.
	That's not the job opening that I'm telling you guys about.
	Quarter one.
	There'll be a posting for off-the-street hires to become an air traffic controller.
	And quarter one is January of next year?
	January, February, March, somewhere in there.
	It's not open now, I see.
	No, it's not going to be open now.
	It's only these two things that are open right now?
	Scroll down.
	And then you'll see a lot of postings for like supervisor jobs, like transferring, enter, FAA. It's all kind of stuff.
	There's always tons of jobs.
	There it is right there.
	Air Traffic Control Special, CPC. But for that one, you have to have experience.
	Okay.
	Where's one that's entry level that they don't need any experience that they can apply for?
	They won't show it until they post it.
	Everything on there is an active post.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you need experience for all these positions right now?
	Right now.
	Especially that one right there.
	So you'll see, like, there's a job for terminal here.
	These are for transfers.
	So, you know, somebody from L.A. can apply to come out here to Miami or Chicago or whatever.
	So, guys, the thing is, what we need you to do is go on here and look at everything that's required.
	Like, you know, because all the SF forms and all that's going to be part of the package, but you got to get your resumes ready, be ready to post all that stuff.
	Because when this posting opens, Bro, they'll drop it like at midnight on the night that they do it.
	And, bro, if you're not in there within the first five minutes, you're not getting in there.
	Wow.
	People are sitting up at midnight waiting for that thing to come out.
	Refresh, refresh, refresh.
	They just click and they load their stuff up and boom.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Why are they doing that?
	Because it's an amazing opportunity.
	The government pays for all of your training.
	You get a sign.
	If you make it through all the training, you get a sign and you're on that pay scale.
	You start at the bottom, of course.
	Developmental, you move your way up.
	But wherever you go...
	You're going to be making six figures.
	You're starting at 100 pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	Wow.
	Wherever you go.
	Out the gate.
	Out the gate.
	No college degree.
	No college degree.
	What's the training like?
	So for the audience, so they should be looking for when it comes out, it comes out first quarter, you said, right?
	Between January to March.
	So this is what you got to do.
	Fresh and fit people, you know, our people, council club guys.
	We will know within a few days when that thing is going to come out.
	You know what's going on in the business.
	You came out of it.
	I still know what's going on in the business.
	They'll put the word out.
	They'll say, hey, on this date, we're going to drop the notice.
	All your stuff should be done.
	You're up at midnight waiting for that shit to hit.
	Bam!
	We have a guy that rocks with us up in Tampa.
	I started a group up there before Castle Club.
	We call ourselves the New Templars.
	A lot of FNF guys.
	We've been working together for over a year now.
	Shout out Colonel Sanders and Kuma San.
	There it is!
	So one of our guys was digging holes, doing hot labor outside, moving AC units and stuff like that.
	We made videos.
	Me and my buddy Jay Swans, we served in the army together.
	We both wear traffic controllers.
	We made two or three videos and posted it on our thing.
	He saw the video.
	He followed all the steps in the video.
	Got hired.
	He goes to Oklahoma next month.
	Wow.
	So no more working in the heat.
	No more.
	He's like going to Oklahoma City.
	He's going to be in air traffic control.
	Now he has to get through the training.
	Training is intense.
	How long is the training?
	I don't because I never went through that program.
	Oh, because you already had your military experience.
	So don't take my word on this, guys.
	I'll get an answer for you.
	But I want to say it's three months or so.
	Okay.
	All right, roughly 90 days.
	The vast majority of air traffic control is on-the-job training.
	So you have to go through, learn the basics.
	This is what the school teaches you.
	You know, how to talk, you know, the phonetic alphabet, you know, what the legs of a pattern is, what a pattern is.
	You know what I mean?
	What the fuck is an airplane?
	You got to learn this basic stuff.
	Airspace, you know.
	I think it's important to explain to people.
	So, like, what does...
	Air traffic controls specifically entail, like, what is the purpose of it?
	Because some people might be like, what the fuck are these guys, like, what does it do?
	Why is it important to society?
	The primary mission of air traffic controllers, right, their job is to prevent collisions in the system.
	That's what air traffic controllers do.
	It is the air traffic controller's job to keep planes from flying into shit.
	Other airplanes, mountains, buildings, this sort of thing.
	So during that three-month period, roughly, are you getting paid the whole time?
	Yes.
	Okay, awesome.
	You're getting paid.
	They're paying for your lodging.
	They're paying for your food.
	You're getting per diem.
	Where's the base at where you train, isn't it?
	This is in Oklahoma City.
	Okay, it's in Oklahoma.
	For everybody, you got to go there.
	Just like a police academy.
	Y'all go to Oklahoma City.
	Once you make it out of Oklahoma City, you get assigned to an airport, you go to that airport, and then your real training begins.
	Where it's like on-the-job training, you're actually talking to the airplanes, and then once you get through that...
	You probably have an FTO, a field training officer, that you're under their auspice the whole time.
	The whole time.
	Other controllers get paid to train people, and it's really scary because you're actually, the way the system is set up, when you plug in and talk on your microphones or wherever, You plug in together, and your controller, who's the trainer, has the ability to override the trainee.
	So while you're talking, if I need to say something, I'll say it, and I'll override you.
	So you're over here talking, hey, Mr.
	Airplane, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And then I'll jump in, you know me, Delta 211, heavy turn left, heading 280, climbing maintain 3000.
	And it's like, oh shit, that's what you should have been saying, motherfucker.
	That's what we're saying after we unkey.
	Like, why are you worried about this?
	You be worried about that?
	Yeah.
	That's the real intense part.
	Mm.
	And that's the only way you get trained.
	You have to actually work it.
	Now, that's the hardest part of the training.
	You can watch out.
	And if you watch out, game over.
	So you gotta work hard.
	And I don't think people understand how important this job is.
	Guys, when you get on an airplane, the chances of you...
	Basically, the pilots, we give pilots a lot of credit because they're like, oh my god, they're flying a plane, that's so hard.
	They're operating blind, guys.
	They're listening to an air traffic controller tell them, Okay, you know, adjust your route three degrees north, whatever the fuck, or west, whatever.
	You could probably...
	If you ever want to hear this shit, go to LiveATC.
	Go to LiveATC.
	I think it might be.com or.org or something like that.
	And you can just listen to whatever airports you want to listen.
	You can listen to it.
	We can listen to Miami right now if we wanted to.
	And you can hear, and it is a foreign language.
	Yeah.
	We have to teach you the language.
	So, what happens if one day I'm going to work, had a rough weekend, I might be a little bit high, and I messed up the wrong thing, wrong line?
	What does that do?
	Okay, so you're going to prison because you said you were high coming to work as an air traffic controller, so...
	Open up, FBI. They come to see your ass.
	You can't do that.
	You get random drug testing all the time.
	You can't come to work drunk.
	You can't come to work high.
	You got to be on point.
	Again, they teach you all this shit.
	So here's the thing.
	What happens when an air traffic controller makes a mistake?
	That's the question, basically.
	It gets reviewed.
	So let's say the air traffic controller is doing his job, and all of a sudden, something happens.
	Two airplanes come together.
	They fall out the sky.
	That's the absolute worst.
	So, yep, that's it.
	You can listen to any airports you want to listen to, and you can hear air traffic.
	There are all those towers.
	You can listen to any tower you want.
	Ground control, ATIS, all that kind of stuff.
	We're not going to get into the weeds.
	That's just different frequencies and different areas of responsibility.
	The ground controller is talking to the airplanes moving around on the ground.
	The local controller is talking to airplanes in the sky.
	Then you have TRACON controllers.
	We can't even begin to get into all that.
	It would take us eight hours to get into that.
	But to your point, two airplanes come together, there's loss of life, massive, massive problems, right?
	So what happens?
	The NTSB gets involved.
	FAA management gets involved.
	They're going to figure out what happened.
	Everything's recorded, obviously.
	They're going to go back and listen to the tapes.
	They're going to make sure you did everything you were supposed to do, and they're going to make sure the pilots did everything they were supposed to do.
	That's why those black boxes are so important and stuff like that.
	If they find that you made a mistake, but it was just doing the course and scope of your duties, it wasn't malicious, you know, there's going to be some retraining involved.
	That's if you even want to continue.
	I mean, it's really hard to understand, like, hey, man, I ran these two airplanes together and, you know, 100 people are gone.
	You got to live with that.
	Has that ever happened before?
	Let's just say I've dealt with every aspect of air traffic control.
	Damn.
	Right?
	I'm here to tell you.
	It was easier for me as a soldier and it was easier for me in the streets to deal with loss of life than it was as an air traffic controller.
	I don't know why it hits different.
	I'm proud of what I do and I gave my all and when shit goes wrong, that's the ultimate ill.
	A lot of times when there are incidents like that, it's not the controller's fault.
	It really isn't.
	The controller is the last line of defense.
	So I can tell you hundreds of stories of how we pulled them apart.
	Oh shit, what is he doing?
	You tell a guy, literally, you tell a guy to turn left, he turns right.
	You tell a guy to climb to an altitude, he starts descending.
	It's 3D tests.
	So you're constantly scanning, you're doing stuff, you're looking at stuff, okay, he's doing this, he's doing that.
	Then you look over, like...
	How many planes are you going over or looking at at any given time?
	Depends on where you are.
	Okay.
	You know, we count the movements.
	When I was at Van Nuys, 100 hour was pretty much standard.
	So I'm talking to, you know, 100 movements in, you know, 30 minutes, 40 minutes.
	You know, so, you know, that's guys coming in and laying, that's guys taking off, that's guys flying through, transitioning, and you're tracking all that.
	That's just at a VFR tower.
	When you get to the busier facilities, there's more and more airplanes.
	Like Atlanta or Dallas?
	Atlanta, Dallas, LA, Chicago, O'Hare, you know, the common eye.
	Miami!
	One of the toughest airports, one of the toughest airspace, I would argue, in the system is right here in Miami.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Why so?
	All that fucking rain.
	Oh, the rain.
	Okay.
	Polis don't want to fly through storms, baby.
	Okay.
	Yeah, they don't want...
	Man, summertime?
	Oh my God.
	It rains every day, yeah.
	I've never been more exhausted, more mentally drained than working here in Miami in the tower on a summer day.
	Wow.
	Because you see the weather coming, and the pilots aren't flying through that shit.
	And, you know, you got to figure out how to move all these airplanes.
	So if you have, let's say it's easy, you got maybe 20 airplanes in the sky.
	Ah, it's a piece of cake.
	This is nothing.
	Now, all of a sudden, three or four nasty thunderstorm sales pop up.
	Oh, shit, your workload just went 100x.
	100x.
	Without even bringing any more airplanes into the scenario.
	Because maybe you can use a 30-year airspace.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Because they're not going to fly over there.
	Yeah.
	They're not going to fly over there.
	Because the pilots are blind, essentially.
	They have equipment, and they can look out the window and see that nasty-ass storm.
	I ain't flying through that shit.
	And you'll tell them, hey, climate maintain, 4,000.
	Negative.
	So they have the right to refuse your direction.
	They are ultimately in charge and responsible for that aircraft.
	If I give them a heading in the altitude, they don't have to take it.
	So basically, it's almost always the pilot's fault.
	Not always, but most of the time.
	Almost now.
	There are times when controllers just outright fuck up.
	Right?
	You'll have a controller, just have a mind for it.
	And just, you know, we're human.
	They'll just fuck something up and not see it.
	And then that's when you get those close calls and stuff like that.
	And there's a lot of close calls going on right now.
	There's a lot of overworked, stressed out air traffic controllers.
	People are retiring.
	Yo, I'm not going to lie.
	Hearing this right now, bro, I'm scared of flying.
	It's one of the most, I've said it before, air traffic control, the reason why they get paid so much is it's one of the most stressful jobs in America that no one knows about.
	No one knows about it.
	It's still the safest form of travel.
	You know someone who's on the inside.
	You know, it's like law enforcement, man.
	How many agents really pull their weapon and actually fire?
	Oh, rarely.
	Especially from an 1811 perspective.
	Way less than local police.
	Right.
	And they hardly ever do it.
	Yeah.
	Rarely.
	Rarely.
	So you're still, it's the safest form of travel.
	There's so many redundancies built in.
	We have so much technology now.
	We see the storms building.
	We see it.
	We know.
	We know that it's about to be some major shit here.
	It's still way safer than driving your car.
	Way safer.
	So it's like, let's start moving these airplanes away from this area over here.
	Let's start getting more controllers.
	Let's open up more positions.
	Let's start getting our plans together.
	Air traffic controller is all about planning.
	It's chess.
	It's 3D chess.
	Yeah, I thought about it.
	If my mom told me what to do, I'd be like, negative.
	A girl I'm talking to?
	Negative.
	That's the way you do it.
	Yeah, that's the way you do it.
	Negative.
	Sorry.
	Negative.
	Thank you.
	Wah, wah, wah.
	Listen, man.
	That was funny.
	Thanks, Rush, for adding your colorful commentary.
	We could read some chats here.
	Yeah, we could read some chats here.
	And what we'll probably do, guys, is obviously, as you guys know, we've got a new segment coming up.
	We're going to be doing Fresh Fit News for you, ninjas.
	We've got some topics that we're going to talk about.
	And then what I'll do is, what I'm thinking is, we'll do a Zoom call.
	I don't know, say if you can hang out with us after we do that news show.
	And we'll answer questions and we'll go ahead and get your guys' reactions to the news going on.
	I think that'll be a good way for us to interact with the cast club members.
	What do we got here?
	I appreciate you guys to the and what y'all do.
	I think he needs to show the end.
	Okay.
	Guys, please spell check yourself.
	your stuff, man, because I'm reading your stuff verbatim, and it's tough sometimes.
	I messaged more to see about connecting with you guys in Wichita, Kansas area, and I've sent Rumble Rants before in the past.
	Y'all helped me make it past $300K a year.
	I work in the freight business as a broker.
	I really just need to connect with guys more like mine, and I want to make other moves.
	Okay, so you did this on a perfect show because Saint is...
	One of our generals is actually out of Tampa, and Saint actually does a lot of the screening.
	So, Saint, what's the best way for him to contact you directly?
	Because he's doing, obviously, he's doing pretty well for himself as a freight business, as a broker.
	How can he get in contact with you to go ahead and apply as a general for Castle Club?
	By the way, this was a $100 chat on Castle Club.
	Saint, what's the best way for him to reach you?
	Bro, you're just gonna have to jump into the waiting room.
	Our generals are in there now.
	We'll post a link.
	Jump into the waiting room, get verified, and then hit me up.
	Like you'll see, is D.L.Saint on Telegram?
	Telegram.
	So just hit me up and ask anybody reaches out to me.
	I will get back to you.
	Sometimes it takes a little while, ninjas, because it's a lot of y'all hitting me up with a whole lot of questions, right?
	A whole lot.
	And listen, that's why I'm here.
	That's why Myron asked me to come on.
	Myron Fresh was like, hey, help us set this thing up.
	And that's what we're doing.
	We have our Tampa Generals.
	Actually, Wes, Colonel Sanders.
	Actually, we made him Tampa General so I could take care of the other stuff.
	Yeah.
	And I did that on purpose.
	And yo, he's a real one.
	My boy!
	Yeah.
	Colonel Sanders, he got promoted.
	He's General Sanders now.
	Woo!
	Okay, what else we got here?
	Rico Savage, if you like being a brokie, if you like simple for women and paying for box, if you like being alone and not being part of a community of brotherhood, if you like not being held accountable, then you shouldn't join Cows Club.
	DMVCC, we up.
	Keep leaning from the front.
	Shout out to you, Rico Savage.
	I appreciate that, man.
	Hawaii General here.
	That's from Tommy.
	Shout out to DL, leading from the front WCows Club.
	Yes, Tommy.
	And that's one of our generals out of Honolulu.
	He's actually in the military as well.
	Air Force.
	Navy.
	Navy.
	I'm sorry.
	Navy.
	And his specialty is actually helping guys with getting into the military and making sure that they negotiate for the best contracts and understanding their value, right?
	So especially in today's volatile time, we should definitely have a conversation with him as well.
	That's what we should talk about, picking your job.
	That's a Tommy question 100%.
	Yeah, that is.
	I was on live chat with Jay and other truckers today.
	He's a really good man and gave good advice on how to improve your trucking career.
	Thank you FNF for bringing him on Money Monday.
	We got y'all, man.
	Yep.
	Guys, I'm telling you, man, we're going to be bringing these guys on that are good in their fields to help you guys with getting these jobs because, like I said before, not everyone is built to be an entrepreneur.
	Not all of you guys are going to be influencers making money on the internet.
	A lot of you guys are going to have to get regular, real jobs, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that because that is how the United States was built.
	That is the backbone of our country, and there's nothing wrong with these jobs, man.
	And you'll make more than a lot of these college grads with stupid degrees.
	Thank you, gentlemen.
	These Money Mondays are undefeated, consistently providing us the best financial content for free.
	99, no BS, absolutely.
	Shout out to my guys, the first fit money clips.
	Let's spread that value across the fucking world.
	We got you, man, Zanderman.
	Hey, DLC in the house, I didn't know you were in the Tampa area.
	I live in the Tampa area.
	To my guy, definitely want to link up.
	I've been looking for like-minded brothers in this space for a long time in my area.
	Got you, Uncle Luke, 1980.
	What is the worst experience you have had as an ATC, air traffic controller?
	That's from M2. I've experienced the worst you're going to experience with an air traffic controller.
	And even going through the process, even getting clear, you're talking years of litigation, you're talking, you know, going through depositions.
	Oh shit, did you have a, maybe not you, but like maybe was someone in your tower involved in like a collision?
	I had to go through that shit, I just told you.
	Like, you personally.
	It's me!
	You were the one behind it.
	I'm sitting there, what, they're typing away.
	You know what that's like in those depositions, like just beating up on your ass?
	No, but I'm saying, like, who was the person that was, like, responsible for the...
	So you directly.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Because normally if an incident happens, they bring everybody in.
	Everyone's getting questioned.
	Everyone's getting looked at.
	Well, they know who did it because everything is there.
	And I was trying to use code, guys.
	I'm just going to come out and say, yeah, I was working when some real bad shit happened.
	People lost their life.
	And, um...
	I went through the process.
	I've been around when, been involved.
	Like you said, I've been in charge sometimes.
	As an air traffic controller, when they don't have a supervisor, the controller will have to actually be in charge and do the management duties.
	It's called controller in charge.
	You get paid extra for that.
	So sometimes you're plugged in and you're working.
	And I'm sitting there, you know, normally it's the more senior guys, and I'm sitting there and something might happen.
	Well, the first person they're going to come to is you.
	Oh.
	Who was in charge?
	So even if you weren't the one that gave the faulty instructions, they're coming for you.
	Who was in charge?
	Oh, shame.
	So you have...
	Let's say you have five air traffic controllers working.
	It's real busy.
	Yeah.
	You're responsible for all five of them.
	Yeah.
	So I'm listening to Fresh because Fresh is working all these airplanes in the sky.
	It's a lot going on.
	I'm paying attention to what's going on.
	But Mo's over there giving out clearances.
	He's just talking to people.
	They're just typing out stuff.
	Take this route.
	Take that route.
	Yep.
	Eight hours later...
	Nah, fuck that.
	Twelve hours later...
	That was a bad clearance.
	The pilot got in trouble in some other state.
	They tracked it all the way back to Moe, and I was in charge.
	Hey, Saint, what up?
	You know, we just had this deal.
	We used to call him a deal of some operational area involving Moe.
	You know, what happened?
	Right?
	It's like the next day.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
	What day?
	Moe when?
	You know, now you gotta go listen to tapes, you gotta go look at the logs, who was in what position, gotta go figure it out.
	They're like, sure enough, Moe's over there talking shit, gave it wrong, accidentally gave it wrong, read the wrong route, and the pilot read it back to him and, you know, it was like, yeah, that's wrong.
	So, in this situation where you were pulled in for this, like, you were the manager during that shift, I guess, and something happened.
	I've been through that.
	Oh, you've done both.
	Okay.
	I've been the guy.
	Okay.
	I've been the guy when something happened but no one got hurt, but it was like a system fail.
	I've been the guy to save stuff.
	Like, oh, I've been the guy training.
	Same thing.
	You're training someone.
	So I'm training you.
	You know what I mean?
	So, you know...
	We're over here training.
	All right, Myron, you're working ground control.
	Just do your thing, blah, blah, blah.
	And then, you know, one of the controllers is like, hey, Saint, look at this.
	She flashes me.
	I'm like, hey, that's whatever.
	And meanwhile, you got airplanes fucking on the runway, fucked up.
	That's me.
	I should have caught that.
	Gotcha.
	Right now, I'm just being funny guys.
	So you've been on all angles.
	You've been the guy on charge.
	You've been the person that made the mistake.
	You've been maybe a witness to it.
	I've been training the person who made the mistake.
	You know what I mean?
	I've been all of that.
	So if anyone here is an air traffic controller and you guys get into some situations, they could probably guide you through it because that whole process, whenever you get involved with You know, internal affairs or some mistake with the government, man.
	It's a very lengthy process, guys, and it's a pain in the ass, and you need someone to help you navigate that.
	Did you have to go ahead and retain lawyers?
	The government does that for you.
	If you are working within the course and scope of your duties, you're okay.
	But, remember you was like, oh, I came to work high.
	If something happened, I came to work high.
	No one got in trouble.
	No one died.
	It was just a procedure thing.
	The government's not gonna protect you.
	Right.
	You're not supposed to be high, so now you gotta get your own attorney.
	Yep.
	And guess what?
	Prosecutors are coming to see you.
	I ain't joking.
	The FBI come knocking on the door.
	The U.S. Marshals gonna come see you.
	Because what you did is illegal.
	100% illegal.
	They're gonna come see you.
	So you have to...
	All that plays in, you know what I mean?
	And as someone was saying, like, I've seen a lot of plans go down.
	Not a lot, but I've seen more than you will because I was a part of that world.
	Yeah.
	Still, the safest way to travel, guys.
	Don't be scared.
	Don't go John Madden on this and riding buses all over the country.
	You know what I mean?
	He never would fly.
	John Madden never flew.
	He took buses everywhere.
	So every Monday night football game, he would go from LA to New York on a bus.
	Wow.
	You had to leave early.
	Right after the game.
	That's a fucking three, four day drive easy on a bus, maybe a week on a bus with all the stops and shit.
	I've seen all kinds of stuff in the tower, man.
	I remember once I was working in the tower and I looked down on the tarmac, it was like a small VFR tower, and it was like this girl in a bikini, she was doing the photo shoot, and she bent down, the guy was taking pictures, and then she moved the bikini out the way.
	Down there with the little coota coota.
	Moved it out of the way.
	And the pilot was going by, and it was like some Gulfstream.
	I'm like, ah, Gulfstream 665.
	Take a look to your left.
	He's like, looks out, and he was like, we love you guys.
	So that's like the fun part of it.
	We're just having fun.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Where we at here?
	He'll say, I'm 24.
	Is this a good age to get into this career?
	I already have a union job, 42 per hour, but work is slow.
	Well, I stay where you are, man.
	Depending on what you're doing, you got a union job, 42 an hour is good.
	You're probably getting good OT, depending on what you're doing.
	Because there's no...
	Well, if you can try air traffic, and if it doesn't work, go back to your union job, then yeah, I would say go ahead and give it a shot.
	You're looking for something to do.
	It's very challenging.
	A lot of people just looking for that challenge.
	Yeah.
	But I don't know, bro.
	I'm like, I'd rather just keep that union job, bro, and do what this man says and go buy some fucking property.
	There you go.
	Shout out to this content.
	Shout out to you guys.
	It's BigTingsAguan.
	Oh yeah, this is Jay.
	Just letting y'all know, it's been absolutely crazy since the pod.
	I've made a decision on being one of the generals from my region.
	Shout out to you guys.
	Okay.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	And he's out there in Birmingham.
	We're going to make it happen.
	We're going to set it all up.
	We just don't have anybody in Birmingham, but we're going to set it all up.
	Myron gave me an order.
	I don't just give orders, I follow them, so we're going to make it happen.
	Appreciate that, man.
	Thank you.
	So yeah, Jay, we'll get you on as the Birmingham general out of Alabama.
	Give us a week.
	So give us some time.
	DL, does the U.S. court ruling and fine on Boeing get in the way of them operating at airports nationwide?
	Also, how do they teach to handle emergency landing scenarios?
	Okay, so the first one, no.
	What's going on with Boeing and what they were doing, that's internal shit between them and the government.
	What they were doing was absolute bullshit from my understanding, and I understand how that happens.
	You're letting airplanes go out there and you know they're not safe.
	I mean, doors are not supposed to fly off the fucking airplanes at 10,000 feet.
	That was so...
	And again, this is why you want to keep your fucking seatbelt on, people.
	While you're flying around, keep your fucking seatbelts on.
	So, no, it doesn't affect.
	The thing is, the FAA just might say, all right, we're not going to let Boeing operate or whatever, but that has nothing to do with the controllers.
	We just, they can't go.
	What was the second half of that question?
	The emergency scenarios handle emergency landing scenarios.
	All right, so that's why you train.
	Yes, and that's why you train.
	This is why you need on-the-job training.
	We can sit you down and say, hey, when an emergency happens, you need to get the aircraft full identification number, the type of aircraft, the number of people on board, and how much fuel, right?
	We can teach you that in training.
	But when you're sitting there working, you're doing your thing, and some pilot keys up, right?
	It's just normal operations, right?
	Everyone's talking like this.
	United 15 Heavy, Roger, turn left heading 3-3-0.
	Okay, 330, 915, heavy.
	Next thing you hear is, we're going down!
	You hear that shit sometimes, just like that.
	Okay, who the fuck was that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right, so you're immediately, you're looking at your radar, you're talking to other people, and it's like, okay, Colin Tower, reference going down, say your call sign.
	You gotta be calm.
	You can't match their freaking craziness with, they need your voice to be calm.
	Oh, sorry, yeah, we just lost an engine, this is Cessna 2-2 uniform.
	Cessna 2-2 uniform, I didn't, say your position.
	Identity is a function you do.
	You push a button and it makes you light up on the screen.
	So you see the guy identity.
	Oh, that motherfucker's up there in Fort Lauderdale's airspace.
	I gotta keep him.
	So this is how you're trained.
	You gotta get all that information out of him.
	I need your full call sign.
	How many on board?
	I know what type of emergency or the type of emergency.
	Right?
	All that stuff.
	And then I have to be talking to the controllers up there at Fort Lauderdale on internal lines.
	Hey, Fort Lauderdale Tower, Miami Tower.
	Yeah, on the ident.
	Set the 2-2 uniform, engine out, you know, three miles northeast of whatever fix.
	And they'll say, okay, radar contact.
	Now, depending on where you are, there's a lot of levels of who should be talking to this airplane.
	The FAA is like, no, you keep talking to him.
	So what we're going to do, the supervisor or whoever's in charge is going to move, take all your other frequencies and all your other airplanes and give them to the other people.
	So all you're doing is talking to this dude who has no engine and a single engine airplane.
	You understand this is a problem.
	You got one propeller and that shit ain't working, right?
	So you're coming down.
	So, and we're talking to, okay, how you want to handle it?
	Hey, get me straight into, you know, one six.
	I forget what runways they got.
	I think they got a 9 up there.
	I forget what runways.
	But just, yeah, get me straight in at 1-6.
	Winds calm.
	Outtenders 2-9 or 9 or 8.
	Roger, I'm telling the pilot all this information.
	I'm trying to keep him calm.
	Calm down, sir.
	Try to restart.
	We're trying to restart.
	Negative restart.
	You know what I mean?
	Say attitude leaving.
	We're leaving 5,500.
	Roger.
	You know, say airspeed.
	Like, you're doing all kinds of stuff.
	Keeping them busy.
	Stay focused.
	You know, we got your straight-in runway, one-six, whatever.
	Wincom.
	And, you know, report the airport in sight.
	We see the airport.
	You know, anything you ask for, you're going to give them.
	And then you're just doing what you can.
	Right?
	And normally in that scenario, the guy's like, okay, we don't have enough altitude.
	We're not going to make the airport.
	So now, okay, what are you going to do?
	Okay, staying in tensions.
	And they're going to be looking around like, okay, we see a big field over here.
	It looks like some sort of field.
	We're just going to make this field over here.
	Or, you know, sometimes it's like, okay, I can't make Fort Lauderdale, but Opelaka is right there.
	Opelaka is three o'clock, four miles.
	You know, if you want to try to make Opelaka, turn right heading 180.
	What if they're on the water?
	That's happened before.
	That's not optimal.
	You don't want that.
	You'd rather have them on the ground.
	So that's, again...
	The water's actually worse.
	It's way worse.
	So the answer to your question, bro, is the on-the-job training and experience dictates how you handle these emergencies.
	There's so many emergencies.
	What's the survival rate on that?
	Really good.
	Really?
	Really good.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So they don't got a propeller or the engine's out.
	How the hell do they land that thing?
	They float.
	Still floating.
	Right?
	This airplane got wings.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	You could call a homelander.
	Right.
	Oh my God.
	Let me teach you how to make some jokes, bro.
	A small airplane, you think of like a Cessna small airplane.
	They can land on the street.
	They can land in the field.
	Okay.
	They can pretty much land.
	So you're just trying to glide that thing in as best you can.
	Right.
	Now, if it's a jet, jet loses an engine.
	It's fine.
	They got at least one more.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Some have four engines.
	Some have just two and a jet can fly.
	They're good.
	But there's been times when the jet will lose both engines.
	And so jets don't float as good as Cessnas.
	They come down faster.
	So everything just has to happen faster.
	And they probably need way more space to be able to...
	They got way more altitude.
	They have procedures on board the pilots.
	Like pilots, they practice for this.
	So they engine out, dual engine out.
	They're trying to restart.
	I got so many stories about that.
	But again, survival race on that, bro.
	I'm thinking...
	Maybe two, three...
	I'm making up numbers here, guys, but I'm thinking like maybe 3% in bad.
	Okay.
	Like, you stand a better chance on an airplane than you do walking across the street here in Brickell.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	All right.
	So that's wild, man.
	So emergency landings, they happen fairly often, and that's good to know that their survival rates are so high.
	Now, why is landing in the water so bad?
	I would think landing in the water would be easier because it maybe has to be a softer plane, but when you're having water at that speed, maybe it's...
	Well, think of the aerodynamics.
	Think of water.
	Yeah.
	Like, you ever run your hand across the water like this and then, you know, just...
	So, airplanes got all kinds of shit like that.
	So, normally when a plane tries to land in water, it cartwheels, it flips.
	It does all kinds of...
	It was just bad.
	Breaks apart right away.
	Gotcha.
	That thing, the Miracle on the Hudson with Scully Sullenberger, I think it was.
	Yeah, this was years ago.
	Yeah, they took off of, I think it was LaGuardia or Newark, one of the two, and lost both engines because he flew through a flock of birds.
	And the bird strikes are the number one thing to look out for, by the way.
	Birds will bring an airplane down faster than a missile.
	So you got these huge birds.
	He ran into a flock of birds.
	And they went into the engine.
	Yeah, and they all got sliced up and killed, and then they clogged the engine.
	Blew the engines out.
	Yeah.
	So he's like, okay, they were telling him, you can go to Teterboro, Teterboro's over here.
	He's like, mm-mm, can't make Teterboro.
	You can come back to the airport, can't make the airport.
	He's like, I'm going to land in the Hudson.
	So he kept his landing gear up.
	He's like a really good glider pilot, so he's like used to this.
	And they just happened to have the right guy sitting on that airplane at the right time.
	Any other pilot would have been on that airplane, at least half of the people on that plane was supposed to not survive.
	They landed that thing on the water, and they were standing on the wings waiting for the boats to come pick them up.
	That was absolutely amazing.
	I've never seen anything like that.
	You'll probably never see anything like that again.
	Watch any video of World War II planes trying to land in water.
	You see them cartwheeling or, you know, 737s.
	Because it's not stable.
	So since it's not stable, it gives.
	Okay.
	So you're not going to skip.
	You might skip a little bit, but at some point you're going to slow down enough to that water that's going to grab you.
	Yeah.
	Let me ask you this.
	The movie with Denzel Washington, was it Flight?
	When he was drunk?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How realistic is that?
	I've got to ask this.
	You fucking flip the plane over like 180 degrees.
	The best way to answer this is...
	And land it the other way like...
	Could it happen?
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So it is possible.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but I mean...
	Will you ever see anything like that in real life?
	Crazy.
	No.
	The plane would rip apart before that.
	Okay, we're flying.
	We're upside down, but we're flying, right?
	Using one engine to control.
	Because I was thinking, he had an engine blow, right?
	Was that the issue?
	Yeah, they had some sort of...
	The airplane was malfunctioning, so the engine just went out.
	And it was rotor.
	It was something to do with its rudder and some other stuff.
	So what they did was...
	I think a bunch of technical guys got together and were like, well, if you had this thing and this thing, let's run it through the sim, and the sim shows you there, so technically it can be done.
	That was movie magic, bro.
	Of course.
	And he did it drunk, too.
	Right.
	He was doing blow.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And he was smashing a hot flight attendant.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So can you take a machine gun and go, you know, kill 100 bad guys?
	Of course.
	You can do it.
	How often is that going to happen?
	Yeah.
	Highly improbable.
	I had an M60 and I was firing from the hip with blanks and I damn near pulled my back muscles out thinking, well, Red Bull could do it.
	And bro, I was like, uh-uh.
	You need two hands on that, baby.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Back to the chats.
	Were you working air traffic during 9-11?
	I was off that day.
	If so, what kind of protocols would you do during an emergency situation like that?
	That's got to be great.
	I was off that day.
	Thank goodness.
	We all got calls, though.
	They were like, in case they needed to come in.
	I don't think you'll ever see anything like that again, ever.
	America is just as different now after that.
	You just won't be able to coordinate something like that.
	The way that the air traffic controllers handled that that day...
	Monumental.
	And what happens is air traffic controllers are all A-type personalities.
	They all make decisions.
	So there's a video out there of a manager Who didn't want to make a decision.
	So they were like, listen, at some point the controllers figured out this is an attack.
	A lot of former military guys, Navy guys, Air Force guys, Army guys.
	Yeah, because did the terrorists jump on there and make demands with the air traffic controls?
	Well, the terrorists were talking, thinking they were talking to the people on the plane, internal, but he was broadcasting, and you could hear the accent.
	The motherfucker's like, uh-oh.
	So, and all the controllers at all the different facilities, they figured it out quick, alright?
	A big airplane flies into a big building.
	Okay, something like that could happen.
	Crazy, it's never happened before.
	New York, wow, restrictive airspace.
	This is crazy.
	Second one happens.
	This is an attack.
	Off rip.
	Second one.
	And it was the only airplanes that were big enough...
	To do what it did so it was like no the same type 757s All right, this is what they did and you have more airplanes are off the grid and kind of doing kind of crazy stuff So they knew there was some controllers like look, this is an attack We need to scramble You know jets fight.
	Yeah, which they all had training that day and yes, and there's a video there's there's audio out there of a guy It may have been a guy or a woman that was like, I don't know what I should do.
	And the controller was like, scramble the jets.
	Call the military.
	We can talk to them.
	But even back then, we could just hit a button and talk to them.
	Scramble the jets.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Yo, I'm going to do it.
	It was one of those guys.
	Controllers would just do it.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't know if I'm authorized.
	Damn that.
	We don't know how many more.
	And their reluctance is because they know the jets are going to shoot them down.
	Well, if they're armed and ready, back then we weren't running caps.
	Weren't running what?
	We weren't running combat air patrols.
	Ah, okay.
	So we don't know.
	I mean, it's okay we got some F-16s.
	But they don't have any weapons on board.
	So what are they going to do?
	Well, those army guys would ram the plane.
	They'll fly their F-16 into the plane, if they had to, and they'll just eject.
	Oh, shit.
	The United States military knows of us who serve.
	Y'all don't understand what it takes to keep this country America, to keep our freedoms, whether you like them or not.
	Y'all don't understand what it means to do America's business.
	Hmm.
	When you got guys out there, men and women out there who will fly their aircraft into another aircraft to keep you safe.
	Wow.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So when I hear people, I mean, it's your right, freedom is ugly, and I want people to say what they want to say and all that.
	Yeah, it's your right to burn a flag, but don't get mad at me if you wind up wrapped up in that burning flag.
	I mean, that's just, you know, that's how I looked at.
	You know what I mean?
	So no, the air traffic controllers did an outstanding job.
	They cleared the airspace and they shut down the United States airspace system.
	And they did it in astounding time.
	They were landing airplanes everywhere.
	So you had, you know, air carriers, these big airplanes just landing at nearest airport.
	And I'm assuming they did that immediately to identify which planes were compromised.
	Yeah.
	And that got coordinated for the entire NAS, entire National Airspace System.
	And within, I want to say it was a matter of hours, the entire airspace system was sterilized.
	The only thing flying was military.
	Everything was on the ground.
	I mean everything.
	In this country, if you own a plane, if you own like a Cessna, a Bonanza, a Cherokee, you can get in your plane and go fly around.
	Not that day.
	Everything was shut down.
	That is absolutely amazing.
	I wasn't at work that day, but I am proud to say I am an air truck.
	Were you on leave?
	I was off.
	It was my day off.
	It was your day off.
	Wow.
	One of my friends called me, my friend Kim.
	Shout out to you, Kim.
	She calls me.
	Where were you stationed?
	I was in Van Nuys.
	So I was living in Canyon country.
	So I'm like in the suburbs.
	I've been out doing bad boy stuff.
	And I keep getting these phone calls.
	And I finally answered the phone with my friend Kim.
	I'm like, what's up, girl?
	She was like, an airplane flew into the World Trade Center.
	I'm like...
	What kind of airplane was it?
	She's like, I don't know, like a Cessna.
	I'm like, I just bounced off, no problem.
	She's like, it was a big Cessna.
	And I'm like, she's like, just watch TV. Turn on TV right now.
	So I turn on the television and I see it smoking.
	I'm like, yeah, it's a big fucking Cessna.
	And, you know, like now I see what's going on.
	People are calling from work.
	Like all the controllers had to check in.
	They're like, they can call us in.
	Like when something like that happens, air traffic control becomes like an arm of the military.
	Oh, wow.
	So if they had ordered me to come in that day, I had to go in to work and stand by and do whatever needs to be done.
	We were all checking in.
	We're all checking out for each other.
	Everybody cool.
	That was a great day for air traffic control.
	It was a horrible day for America, but the fact that we could do that, no one else could do that.
	We did that.
	One of these days, I'll bring some guys from Miami onto the show who were working that day and can tell you really what was going on.
	It was so much going on that day.
	I can imagine the fucking chaos.
	It was insane.
	But through that chaos, controllers step up.
	This is what we deal with.
	So think about it.
	You still got your everyday shit.
	Everything's going on.
	You got emergencies going on, all this shit.
	And all of a sudden, hey, America's under attack.
	We're landing all these airplanes.
	Even when that order came down, we're going to do what?
	We're landing these aircraft at the nearest airport.
	I need you to find...
	It's like in the movies.
	I need you to find the nearest airports.
	We just work with da-da-da-da-da.
	Get these pilots.
	Find out where they can land.
	Find out how heavy they are.
	Find out what airport...
	And that's what they were doing.
	And they were getting everybody on the deck as soon as possible.
	Safe and sound.
	Man, that was an amazing day from air traffic control standpoint.
	A horrible day for America.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	And I'm still sorry about that.
	I'm like, you know, I still like, we need some get back.
	I don't think we got everybody.
	Yeah, no, we definitely didn't.
	We definitely didn't.
	You guys could watch our 9-11 series that we did on that.
	It's on Rumble.
	It's not on YouTube.
	We covered 9-11 extensively, but the perpetrators that were involved.
	Man, I hope I'm not boring everybody.
	I'm boring.
	No, no, you're a great storyteller, bro.
	Did he get fired by Ronald Reagan?
	No, he did not.
	We talked about that dose, Cholster.
	Ain't that old goddamn, bro.
	Is it a lot of pressure to deal with?
	Pressure can turn some men into alcoholics, drug users, and cause depression.
	It has to be mentally crippling knowing their lives are in your hands.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	It is...
	Yes.
	All right, I'm just gonna keep it 100.
	Yes.
	There's a very high self-deletion rate in air traffic control.
	Oh, shit.
	Very high.
	A lot of females.
	I wasn't kidding when I said it was one of the most...
	A lot of females.
	Oh, really?
	Which is rare, because, you know, females don't normally do that.
	They don't normally do that, yeah.
	There's a very high...
	What's the workforce with air traffic controllers, breakdown men and women, is it still a majority of men?
	Still majority, still, but, you know, the numbers are growing.
	Okay.
	But I don't think you're ever...
	70, 80 men?
	90?
	Probably, I would say 75, 80.
	I'm just making up numbers, but I would say 75, 80.
	Okay, before you left, it was 75, 80.
	I know this is kind of a random question.
	Would you date a fellow Traverse guy?
	Control woman?
	That's a good question.
	Wouldn't date her, but I smashed!
	What's up, y'all?
	Makes sense.
	That's a lot of pressure, bro.
	That's a lot of pressure, man.
	Wouldn't they, but I have smashed.
	Allegedly, by the way.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	What else do we got?
	We want to talk about the drug use, too, bro.
	High-stress jobs come with a lot of...
	Of course.
	So, um, a lot of drinking, a lot of partying, um, to try to forget, not forget, but to deal with, we didn't, you know, I didn't know how to deal with that shit.
	So the first time I dealt with, um, you know, loss of life and that sort of thing, first time I ever dealt with that, I didn't, I didn't know how to deal with it.
	Like I said, I knew how to deal with it in the streets.
	I knew how to deal with it on a, on a battlefield, but I didn't know how to deal with it.
	In real life.
	And that's one of the things that the FAA and NACA, the National Air Traffic Control Association, is really working on.
	They had a stress line.
	This thing happened.
	It was horrible.
	They just sent me home.
	They just go home.
	So I go home.
	There's no one there.
	I'm just in the house.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm just sitting there.
	And I called my mentor.
	By this time, I'm already in.
	He was like, I'm so proud of you.
	You've done me so proud.
	The guy that got you the job back in 94.
	The guy who got me in.
	And he was like, not only did you get in, and let's keep it 100, man.
	As a black guy back then, that was a thing.
	But I've always pushed through that.
	And he was like, man, you kept your head down.
	You studied.
	You got through it.
	I'm so proud of you.
	So I'm doing my thing.
	He's not even thinking about me.
	He's like a father to me.
	I called him.
	I'm crying.
	Keep it 100.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm in the house and with no girls around.
	All right?
	Just so y'all know.
	And I'm calling another man.
	Not calling some chick.
	You know what I mean?
	How many people were lost?
	Four in that one.
	Wow.
	Four in that one.
	So, make LA Times.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It was like a big thing, bro.
	CNN. Was it a collision?
	It was a collision.
	It was a bad one.
	It was like a private jet collision or...
	No, just two small airplanes, experimental.
	It was an experimental airplane, it was really fast, and it was a Cessna called a pipeline.
	So what he did, what he was doing, he was contracting, just fly around, look at the pipes out there in California, like water pipes and whatever pipes out there.
	And the worst thing about that is the two guys who were doing the pipeline stuff, There was a guy who was taking over the job, young dude, and there was a guy who was retiring from the job.
	Those were the two on board.
	So he was doing a very thorough, hey, let me show you what to do.
	It wasn't like the normal just in and out like they normally do, which played into this incident.
	And they're down low, and their airplane is a high-wing configuration.
	So think of a Cessna wing that's kind of up on top.
	A low wing is like when you look at the old fighter planes, propeller, Cherokees, and like, you know, the fighter planes.
	That's a low wing.
	He's in a high wing.
	The experimental is like...
	What's it called?
	A Cessna what?
	He was in like a Cessna.
	I think this was a...
	This might have been like a 170.
	Can we Google that real quick, Bill, just so the audience has an image of...
	So just pull up any Cessna.
	Just pull up like Cessna 170, Cessna 172, something like that.
	Like a Cessna.
	Just so the audience has an image.
	So it's a high wing.
	But continue on, sorry.
	And then the experimental.
	Like, there you go.
	Anything is like that.
	Okay.
	That's a high wing.
	And then the low wings are...
	Put in like PA28. Bill, can you type in just PA28? Enter.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Aircraft air.
	There you go.
	Enter.
	That's a low wing.
	Got it.
	Got you.
	Got you.
	All right, so 1-800-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.
	I might know that one.
	So you had this high-wing airplane down low.
	You had the low-wing airplane up high.
	Really slow airplane, really fast airplane.
	And one's climbing, one's descending.
	They can't really see because the configuration affects their...
	And it's really busy.
	There's a lot going on.
	There's other stuff going on in this airspace.
	They met.
	And like I said, there was a young guy and an old guy in this pipeline thing.
	And the young guy had a brand new family and the old guy was about to retire.
	And they were lost.
	And, you know...
	These are the things that go through.
	I didn't know this right away, but this is after years of, you know, just going over the paperwork, going through depositions, getting ready for trial.
	And they weren't coming after me.
	They were just going after the government because they were like, well, he was working.
	Or the family sued.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	And they're just going after the government.
	And the government almost always settles in these type things.
	Of course.
	So I'm at home thinking these people are gone.
	Again, the streets and battlefield make sense.
	You know what I mean?
	Julio Fulio, what happened was tragic, but it makes sense.
	We know why it happened.
	You know what I'm saying?
	You go to war, it's tragic, but it makes sense.
	We're fighting a war.
	But this?
	I see your perspective.
	I wasn't prepared.
	I didn't know how to deal with it.
	These are innocent people.
	These people ain't did nothing to nobody.
	This man was trying to retire.
	Other man's just trying to take his family.
	Some woman is having fun in an airplane with a dude who's trying to get on with the woman, flying around, having fun.
	This didn't make sense to me.
	So I'm at home by myself.
	TV's off.
	And I wanted to just get drunk.
	Yeah.
	I just wanted to drink.
	And I called my mentor, told him what happened.
	And he starts screaming through the phone.
	He was like, they sent you home?
	By yourself?
	I'm like, I'm just in the house.
	And he was like, is there anyone you can call?
	Now, imagine, I'm still fairly new to California.
	But I was messing with it.
	I had a dime.
	Still, I always had a little rotation.
	He's like, is there anyone that you trust, anyone you're close to?
	And I'm like, no.
	Is there anyone you can call?
	Like, well, it's these girls.
	Can you get one of them girls to come over?
	I'm like, I don't want to fuck with no hoes right now.
	He was like, no, you need to get out the house.
	You need somebody with you.
	Tell her to come get you and take you somewhere.
	So I called her.
	She came through.
	Actually, that's how she moved from number.
	She was at the bottom of the rotation.
	That's how she moved to the top because she came through.
	When you needed her the most.
	No one answered their phone but her.
	She showed up.
	She took me out.
	You know, we drove me around.
	I told her what was going on, but she saw it on the news by the end.
	She was like, was that you?
	I was like, yeah, that's me.
	And I didn't know if I was to talk about it or not.
	Like, I didn't know nothing.
	I'm new.
	Yeah.
	And she just sat there with me, and she took me places, and she took me home, and she put me to sleep.
	She just, I mean, not like that, y'all.
	She just made sure I got in the bed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let me go to sleep.
	She didn't let me drink.
	You know what I mean?
	She was like, no.
	Now, the average air traffic controller, especially a man, he ain't going to reach out to nobody.
	We're going to keep that shit internally, right?
	And he's going to drink, or worse, he's going to go out and do some stupid, you know, whatever.
	So we do have a problem with that, but the EFA has gotten way better.
	They have numbers for us to call.
	At the time, I called their number for help.
	Because before I called my mentor, before he called me back, I just called the number.
	You know what I mean?
	And it was like, hello, this is Bob type shit.
	You know what I mean?
	And he didn't know I was an air traffic controller.
	He didn't know anything about air traffic.
	And I'm trying to tell him what he's like.
	So what's your problem?
	I start talking air traffic, thinking it's confidential.
	And he had no idea what I was talking about.
	Damn.
	And then at one point, I was like, why the fuck did they give me your number?
	And I just hung up.
	Yeah.
	So yeah man, so controllers do, especially at those busy facilities, man we party hard, we work hard, we party hard.
	Is it pretty much like a guarantee that if you have a long, because you were in for like 20 plus years, if you have a long career that at some point you're gonna have to deal with this situation, like you're gonna deal with a collision or people, loss of life at some point?
	Depends on where you work.
	Okay.
	So if you had the career that I had and you worked at some of these busier places, I'm not saying you're going to be involved in a collision, but you're definitely going to see one.
	Someone's going to deal with some close call.
	Someone's going to deal with something.
	A lot of times, you know, sometimes planes just fall out the sky, bro.
	You know, and there's nothing anyone can do.
	And you're listening to these people's last words because they panic and they just grip the yoke.
	There's a push the talk button on there.
	They just grip it.
	And you just hear them as they go down.
	You can go on YouTube and hear all kind of farewell shit when pilots are going down, and there's nothing you can do.
	You're just listening to these people die.
	Yeah, that's terrible.
	You know, and then in that situation...
	They didn't make the Kobe one public yet, right?
	I don't think so.
	No, there's radio communication out there from all the flights.
	That was out almost immediately.
	Again, liveatc.com.
	Yeah, someone recorded that right away.
	Yeah.
	Like I said, we'll talk about that later.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
	Thank you for being here, bro.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	And I think that's something that people need to be prepared for because they think, you know, I'll make $100,000 plus a year.
	But it's like, you know, it does come with a cost.
	See, he's giving you the good and the bad, keeping it real.
	And ugly.
	Yeah.
	What do we got here?
	Can you tell a story of an accident?
	Just told one.
	Yeah.
	Now that I remember, I have a youngest brother who graduated the Philippines with a BA degree in aircraft maintenance, and I thought it would relate to your aircraft career.
	I want him to come to the States to work here.
	He's a U.S. citizen.
	Does he need a degree, or does he have to retain here to become aircraft mechanic?
	Thank you, brother.
	That's a whole other profession, but I don't know if we can speak that.
	That is a different profession.
	If you join Castle Club, bro, if you're a Castle Club member, I'll reach out to my homeboys.
	I know guys that are retired controllers who are pilots and some are mechanics.
	They did that.
	They actually worked on...
	They had all the certifications, so I can find out for you.
	It'll take me a little time, of course.
	He's in Castle Club.
	Yeah, these chats are Castle Club, guys.
	Bro, I got you.
	Do me a favor, man.
	Hit me up.
	And Telegram so I don't forget.
	And just give me about a week or so.
	I just got to send some messages out and I can talk to some of my homeboys on what you need to be certified as a mechanic, aircraft mechanic in the FAA. Okay.
	Okay.
	Levi says, I have a question.
	Can you have a site job while you're in the FAA Academy?
	Sure, but I wouldn't do it.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't do it.
	You fucking around at the beginning, bro.
	Sometimes you gotta slow down, man.
	You talking about this is...
	Can I have a side job where I'm trying to secure the rest of my future?
	Sure.
	But...
	That's going to be the reason why you watch Allie of the Academy, and that's it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You've got to focus on passing, bro.
	You've got to focus on passing 100%.
	Good evening, Fit, DL St.
	Fresh.
	Question for Donald.
	Can you make six figures as soon as you're done with training and get in the field, or is it more or after you've worked for X amount of years you'll make six figures?
	NYC area.
	Thanks, guys.
	After you get through the academy, you get to your first facility, no matter where you go with differential pay, you get paid extra to work at night.
	You get paid extra to work on Sundays.
	You get paid extra on holidays, right?
	So you got guaranteed.
	I forget how many government holidays there are now.
	Yeah, I should have forgotten.
	Remember that?
	But you guaranteed that money.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So with all the differential pays, once you get to the point where you're the controller in charge, you get paid extra for that.
	When you're training people, you get paid extra for that.
	So the basic rule of thumb, wherever your facility is, whatever your pay is, like you finished all your training and everything, you pass your year probation period, then you add 20% to whatever that number is.
	So if that number is like 73,000 or whatever, just add 20% to that.
	Okay.
	And then, of course, after you get two or three more years, yeah, you're really up there.
	Makes sense.
	What else we got, Pills?
	T. Prince says, can you please talk about how the VA will lose a page?
	What I'm thinking, dude, is we start the new show.
	Right now?
	Not right now, but we obviously end this, and then we answer these on Catholic Club, because I'm thinking about going to Catholic Club after we do the new show anyway.
	And Saint's going to be here anyway, and he can answer these questions in even more depth.
	These are a lot of good questions and stuff like that, and we can give us some more time on Castle Club.
	Okay, that's fair.
	So I can read the Rumble rants, and then I'll read, and then the Castle Club ones will come back to it.
	Yeah, because time is ticking, and obviously we want to get you guys as much value as far as how to get into it, etc.
	Ramrod says, WFNF, also check out the Navy.
	We have this job, right?
	It's called AC. This is the only branch that will give you a contract guarantee for whatever job you pick before shipping off to basic.
	Okay, Ramrod.
	Thank you, Ramrod.
	Go Navy.
	We beat y'all ass in football last season.
	Yeah, go Army.
	A flip, USMC, Army, AF have the applicant make a dream sheet and they go down that list, meaning if you're medically unqualified, next job.
	If it's taken, next job, Navy will make you pick before boot.
	Okay.
	Peter Darker says there's a theory that night vision that was used during Vietnam made the U.S. soldiers see things.
	Allegedly, how true is that theory?
	That's before me, bro.
	That starlight shit, their night vision, their nods were kind of like starlights, talking to some of the old soldiers.
	They really didn't work that well from what they were telling me, those guys who were like in the Asha Valley, because they were in the jungle and there wasn't a lot of light for it to gather.
	And then at night again was no moonlight, there was no light for it to gather.
	So they told me that it was pretty much just, you know, it was a dub.
	Okay.
	We got Ivan Lille goes, Air Force is hands down the best way to go.
	You'll get the best treatment facilities, jobs that transfer over, etc.
	The Air Force is the smartest branch to focus on its members getting their education.
	The Army and Marines will take almost anyone.
	What do you think happened to Malaysian Airlines Flight 370?
	Also, did seeing previous airline terrorist attacks like the Lockerbie bombing ever dissuade you from becoming a traffic airline controller?
	Yeah, man.
	So, Malaysia 370, no one knows, man.
	We need more information.
	Who knows?
	It could have just been some catastrophic.
	It could have been some sort of phenomenon.
	It could have been severe wind shear turbulence.
	Could have, you know, ripped a hole in it, ripped the wings off.
	Who knows?
	And this shows you how big the ocean is.
	We keep saying how small, you know, oh, the world is getting smaller.
	The oceans ain't.
	So, you know what I mean?
	know what I mean?
	They dump your body somewhere in the middle of the ocean somewhere, bro, and you ain't never getting found again.
	Damn.
	And as far as the Lockerbie thing, you know, we're sitting in a tower or we're sitting in some facility somewhere, so that stuff doesn't really affect us.
	You know, you hate seeing it, but, you know, that's not really a factor.
	And what old boy said about the Air Force is 100% true.
	I hate to say it, but, man, I used to love hanging out with the Air Force guys on their facilities, bro.
	They had to Best facilities, man.
	Food was good, women.
	When I was rotating back from the desert, we stopped in Spain, stopped at the Air Force Base.
	It's the first time I seen grass in like months.
	So we're like playing around the grass, like grown ass men rolling around the grass.
	And we went and got some food.
	The place was beautiful.
	I don't even know what Air Force Base it was.
	It was somewhere in Spain.
	It was beautiful, man.
	Someone will drop it in the chat, probably.
	Man, them dudes and the women.
	Yeah, he was right about that Air Force shit, bro, for real.
	All right.
	Anything else?
	Jeff.
	Jeff goes, what's good, FNF? I'm 31.
	I was going to join Navy five years ago, but started working for Publix.
	Now I drive trucks for them.
	But I'm thinking about reserves for more competency experience and set up in life and retirement.
	Good idea?
	What do you think, Saint?
	I was thinking about going reserves.
	He's a truck driver.
	Driver of Publix is doing pretty well.
	I think he donated on the last show with Jay on Publix.
	Yeah, I think they, um, you just have to check the age requirement.
	I think they raised it.
	I think you can get in at 31.
	Don't quote me on it.
	But here's the thing, you got to understand something, bro.
	Wait, there's a cutoff.
	You can't join after a certain age.
	Right.
	In the military, yeah.
	What is it?
	I can't remember.
	I want to say it's close to that, like 30-something.
	Okay.
	37 for law enforcement.
	I know that.
	It might be 37 for them.
	It might be the same.
	I don't know.
	We got to look that one up.
	But here's the thing you need to think about, brother.
	Like, you're doing really good.
	You want some experience.
	You want a little bit of fun.
	Understand, when there's conflicts, they send the National Guard and the Reserves.
	It ain't like when I was in, the Reserve guys, they were weekend warriors.
	They really didn't do nothing.
	But now, bro, you can find yourself in a faraway land with...
	I'm going to keep it 100 with weekend training.
	I didn't mind getting deployed because I wasn't for a brag, man.
	I went with the best.
	Tip of the spear dudes.
	I'm out there with Green Berets and Rangers and everything else.
	Delta, you're going out there with Bubba.
	So just think about what you're doing.
	Okay.
	So the chances of even reservists getting deployed is very real.
	The chances of getting deployed in the reserves today is way higher than the woods when I got in in 1990.
	You need to seriously consider that, my friend, given all the global conflicts that we have.
	St.
	mentioned earlier, we might have a war on three different fronts, whether it's in Israel, Ukraine, and now Taiwan.
	Taiwan's a very real possibility, guys.
	What do we got here?
	Reyes?
	Hey guys, I had a question about the military.
	I'm in the process of getting my A&P license and was wondering if I should go to the military and just get a regular job.
	Thanks for your time and the free sauce.
	And Brother Reyes, it depends on you, fam.
	If you're okay with...
	Dying for your country, right?
	I know I'm just taking it to an extreme, but you have to be okay with dying for your country.
	Like I said, bro, we could not go 82 days at Fort Bragg without somebody dying.
	Getting run over by a truck, falling off of a vehicle, drowning, some sort of mishap, you know, on a jump as a paratrooper.
	You know, I've had shit, bro.
	I almost died a couple times.
	I got a couple stories for y'all about that, but...
	Training in the United States military is dangerous.
	So if you're cool with that and it makes sense to you, then I would say, yeah, listen, I want everybody to get some, bro.
	But if it doesn't make sense and you ain't trying to die, man, then keep doing what you're doing.
	Yeah.
	Very real advice right there.
	And you've got to really ask yourself that question, are you?
	Because people think, I'm just going to go in and get my GI Bill and get out.
	No, man.
	You might not get that far.
	If you get out.
	And one last thing.
	When you're doing this, there's a such thing as Defense Ready Brigade, right?
	I'm sorry.
	Ready Reserve.
	So you have your four years or whatever, active, whatever, but it might be six years on the back end where they could call you up.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Anytime.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	So you got to really read that contract and see what it is.
	Yep.
	Oh, boy.
	What do we got here?
	Everything good?
	That's it?
	All right, guys.
	So we're going to start right now with it is 10 what?
	It's 1024?
	1024.
	So give us about 10-15 minutes, guys, and we're going to debut Fresh Fit News, and then we're going to do a Zoom call with Saint and with you guys, and we're going to break down what we talked about with the news and also any questions that you guys might have had.
	Saint's going to stick by with us and everything else like that.
	And in Saint, where can I find you?
	What's going on next for you, brother?
	DL Saint, I really want to know podcast.
	Myron's always pumping me up.
	Thank you, bro.
	I didn't have to pay for that.
	I was like, oh, Fresh has always hit me up.
	Like I said, these boys told me, don't do it.
	They're like, bro, I'm telling you, don't fuck with it.
	I should have listened to them because, yeah, I got a lot of yellow and red checks on my...
	I don't know how long I'm going to be around because I do this too, but...
	Deal saying I really want to know podcasts on YouTube, guys.
	I don't do a lot on X. I'm just starting to get on there.
	I don't do Facebook.
	I hate Facebook, but eventually I'll get on there.
	And on YouTube is I really want to know podcasts.
	Correction, on Instagram, I really want to know podcasts.
	All one word.
	I really appreciate any support you guys can give me.
	And like I said, shout out to Myron Fresh and the whole Fresh and Fit fam, man.
	And shout out to y'all out there.
	Appreciate y'all.
	I see y'all weren't clowning me.
	I was expecting y'all was going to clown me.
	Look at this old motherfucker.
	Y'all ain't do none of that.
	Well, it was very insightful, man.
	Great stuff.
	Breaking stories.
	Yeah.
	And then just so you guys know, when an air traffic controller position does open up, Sane's going to be the first person to announce the On Castle Club for you guys and help guys out with getting in.
	So, it's a great career, guys.
	I mean, obviously, we talked about the good, the bad, and the ugly.
	Obviously, the pace is fantastic, but then, you know, comes with a lot of stress, etc.
	But that is how you get into the field, man.
	Cool.
	So, I guess we'll be back in about 10 minutes, guys.
	Give us 10-15 minutes to reset, and then we're going to give you guys the first episode of Fresh Fit News.
	So, we'll be back in a little bit, guys.
	Love you guys.
	Peace.
	Peace.

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