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July 1, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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How To Get Started In Trucking

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	Thank you.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to Freshman Podcast.
	Today we're going to be talking about trucking.
	We're here with BigTings Iguan, one of the supporters.
	Let's get into it, Barry!
	Let's go.
	And he's done it for 30-plus years, so we're going to talk about that with him.
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	And if you were in there in Vegas, you got to see behind the scenes of UFC and Power Slap.
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	And then as well, any updates for the party?
	Well, you're the one that's getting the app, you tell me.
	Yeah, what day you wanna do it though?
	Could we do it late July or early August?
	We should do a vote, actually, with the audience later on.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I'm thinking it'll probably be that first week of August is what I'm thinking.
	Yeah.
	But YAH isn't available until that first Sunday, right?
	The 28th?
	That's the 28th, yeah.
	So we could do that first weekend after.
	Cool.
	That works.
	That first weekend after, because they're probably going to want to do it on a Friday or Saturday.
	We're back, man.
	It's Money Monday.
	Yeah, yeah, but we're back.
	By the way, we got a special guest in the house, man.
	We got Jay in the house.
	You guys know him as BigThingsIguan in the chat, man.
	And this is crazy because we got a chat ninja here in studio with us that's going to give you guys some game, man.
	So, yo, you guys can get your money up, get successful, and you could be here with us one day, man.
	Yo, Jay, we know who you are, but they might not.
	Can you introduce yourself to the people and tell them who you are?
	So basically, my name is Jay.
	I go by BigTingsAguan on IG. And basically, I'm a truck driver.
	I have my own business.
	I've been supporting these two for a long time.
	So to be honest with you, it is actually a blessing.
	And it's actually a great opportunity to be on here with you fellas.
	Because I'm going to tell y'all, I did not think I was going to get on.
	Yeah.
	Well deserved, man.
	You support us in the chat and on the party as well.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This is crazy because someone that's actually a part of the team is here, you know what I mean, that's supported and now you're here, obviously going to give back to the people.
	Can you tell us a little bit about your background, where you're from, and how you got started?
	So basically, I was raised in Jersey, right in the Philly area, honestly.
	So South Jersey, it's like one of the same things, honestly.
	And my dad was a truck driver for 30 plus years.
	That's how I got in it.
	He took me on the road with him when I was four months old.
	Wow.
	So, Diesel is in my blood for the most part.
	Literally.
	Literally.
	So, for me, that's what got me started.
	Whenever it was a day out of school, whenever it was any day that I could be with him, I was with him.
	So, he taught me the essence of working hard right out the gate.
	Trucking is my passion.
	It's something that I love to do.
	It's not the same as it was in the 90s and the 80s and stuff like that.
	So for y'all asking, this is why Myron said 30 plus years of experience because I literally have that much experience in this game.
	And I love what I do.
	I absolutely love what I do.
	So, um, but it wasn't always trucking, right?
	Like you had, um, you worked in corporate America first.
	Can you tell them a little bit about that?
	So like how you kind of switched over?
	Yeah, basically, um, I always wanted to work for myself.
	Um, at five years old, six years old, seven years old, people used to ask me what it is I wanted to do.
	And I always said I wanted to own a trucking business.
	But I never wanted to be a truck driver, as I was explaining to him earlier.
	I never wanted to be a truck driver.
	I just wanted to own my own trucking business.
	So I was in corporate America for, I want to say, about eight or nine years.
	What'd you do?
	So I was a building clerk for a trucking company.
	And also, I was a dispatcher.
	And I was also a broker.
	So I've learned that side of it too, which is why certain things have come easier to me doing this.
	And what I want to do is I want to provide you guys that are watching the opportunity to learn from my mistakes and not make those same mistakes so that y'all can be successful even more so than what I am.
	So even when you were in corporate America, you were still handling logistics for a trucking company?
	Yes.
	That sounds smart.
	Yeah.
	So you're well versed in this.
	Okay.
	Someone's watching this right now, right?
	And they're probably like, okay, I want to get into the trucking world.
	I want to be a truck driver.
	Maybe I want to be a dispatcher or whatever it may be.
	Can you tell us how they can kind of get their foot in the door?
	What's their first step that they need to take to get into this type of industry?
	So basically, you have to ask yourself, why am I doing this?
	Why exactly do I want to get into trucking?
	Because it is not a thing where you get into it and you're going to make this stupid amount of money right away.
	You have to put your time in.
	You got to put your effort in.
	And you have to do everything to the best of your ability, especially doing trucking.
	You have to always be aware.
	But the first thing that you want to do, if you want to get into trucking, look up certain information.
	Um, and the first thing you do, uh, and they usually pay for it, uh, whatever state you're living in.
	If you go down to the career center and whatever state you're living in, they will pay for you to have a CD to get your CDL. Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	You go, so you go to trucking school and they will actually pay for you to do that.
	So step one, get your CDL, but you can get a CDL through a Career Center.
	Through a Career Center.
	Oh, shit.
	Because if you were to do it yourself, isn't it a couple thousand dollars?
	It's a couple of thousand dollars, and it's like, if you've never had any training, how are you going to know how to drive a truck?
	Yeah.
	You know, so in that aspect, that's what I did.
	I didn't have to do it, but I was like, well, hell, if the state is funding it, why not take the opportunity?
	So there's career centers.
	How do you, like, even get into one of these, like, I don't know if you can maybe just tell us the process of how it works in whatever state that you did it in?
	Yeah, so I did it in, the city is Huntsville, and the state is Alabama.
	So I did it in Huntsville, Alabama.
	Me and my cousin actually went at the same time, and so we both have had our CDLs for the same amount of time.
	And, uh, but what you do is you go, uh, Google it, go to your career center.
	And what they'll do is they'll give you a test that you have to take.
	It's basic, uh, arithmetic.
	So basic mathematics, basic English.
	And they ask you like some IQ questions.
	And I'm gonna tell y'all some, if, if I could pass it, y'all definitely could.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is it easier if you drive like stick shift beforehand?
	Does it make it easier or no?
	It just depends because it's a different pattern.
	But I mean, like for me, all my cars have been manual.
	I drive a 13-speed truck right now.
	So they have came out with automatic trucks.
	Now here's the thing.
	When you go to trucking school, you will have to learn in a manual truck.
	You'll have to learn in a manual truck.
	Now, if...
	Okay, let me back up.
	Let me back up.
	They have it now, because they didn't have it when I was going to trucking school, but they have it now.
	You'll have a choice.
	You'll have if you want to learn a manual or if you want to learn an automatic.
	The only thing is, if you learn an automatic, once you get your license, you are then restricted to only automatic trucks.
	And I wouldn't suggest anyone do that, because why would you already want to put restrictions on yourself right out the gate?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	That's a good tip.
	All right.
	So going back, so you go ahead and you get your CDL and you can get it through a career center.
	And you were describing the process with Huntsville.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you went to this, like how long, like how did you get the funding?
	Like how do you even go about it?
	So basically they contact the school for you.
	Okay.
	They tell you what school you're going to attend.
	They look for the closest one in the vicinity.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So they pay for everything.
	So they send the school the money.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and that's how that works.
	And then you'll take your written test first, and then you'll take your driving test.
	Because for us, it was four weeks.
	Now, technically speaking, me personally, I don't know what you can learn in four weeks.
	To me, I think that's kind of dangerous.
	But it's for bigger companies to take you the rest of the way, so they'll train you and all that stuff.
	I had said coming out of trucking school, I'm not going to no big company because you're just a number.
	So I went to a smaller company to start out.
	I think they had like seven or eight trucks.
	Okay.
	So you get your CDL, and this is well over a decade ago, right?
	Yeah.
	So you get your CDL, and you got, I'm assuming, in manual.
	Yeah.
	Which if you get a manual CDL, you basically could do automatic.
	You can do automatic if you want.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you get your CDL, and you were able to do it through a company.
	Now, assuming you don't go through a company and you do it yourself, how much is someone going to need to be able to get a CDL nowadays?
	So, basically, you'll need, really what you'll need to do is, the fees are about, it depends on the state you live in, but the fees aren't that expensive.
	It's like $200, $275.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so it's not that bad.
	Also, I thought it was going to be a couple thousand.
	No, no, no, no.
	So get your CDL because once you take the test, you can then put endorsements on it, on your license.
	Okay.
	You can put endorsements on your license, whether it be hazmat or tanker or heavy hauling.
	You could do it that way.
	Is it the schooling that costs a couple thousand then?
	It's the schooling that does.
	Okay, that's what costs the extra money.
	It's the schooling that does.
	Okay, okay.
	So the license itself isn't a problem.
	It's the schooling to get the license.
	Yeah.
	And the only way you're going to be able to get your license is if you pass the driving test.
	So again, a lot of people don't know how to drive a truck.
	They don't know how to drive a stick.
	To me, it's like driving a big car.
	I've been doing it for so long.
	Gotcha.
	So if someone's coming in and doesn't know it at all, It might be better for them to go to a school, learn it, then go take the test, but the school is going to cost them some money.
	Or they can study by themselves and try to find a truck somehow and practice on that.
	So those are your options.
	Those are your options.
	Those are your options.
	Now, I would highly recommend that you go to trucking school.
	When my dad did it, because he actually went to trucking school.
	When my dad did it, he was in school for six months.
	Wow.
	Because here's the thing, and this is just me being straight up with everybody, everyone watching.
	Again, I don't see what you can learn in four months.
	Four weeks, you mean?
	Four weeks.
	Sorry, four weeks.
	I don't see what you can learn in four weeks because it's very dangerous, man.
	I mean, truck driving, just so y'all know, truck driving is the third most dangerous job to have in the U.S. Oh, really?
	Yeah, because of all the accidents and stuff.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah.
	Now, whether that has went down, I haven't checked in a while, but whether that has went down, I don't, like, I'm not too sure.
	But when I checked last time, which was a few years ago, it was the third most dangerous job to have.
	It's so many accidents on the road on a daily basis.
	And the severity of the casualties.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	The casualties are crazy sometimes.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	So we got a crash course in how to get started.
	So, like, you have basically two options.
	You either A... You know, pay your...
	Well, three options, really.
	A, you pay your own way, go to the school, take the license, done.
	Or, get one of these career centers to pay for it, do it your way, or career centers to pay for you, then you go to school, then you take the test, and then you do it that way.
	Or, if you're lucky and someone has a truck, right, you could study for it on your own, Use that truck at practice and then go ahead and do the test without going to school.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	But you obviously advise people go to trucking school and get it done that way.
	Unless your pop or your uncle or someone of that caliber or nature is a truck driver and they can teach you, then yeah, you'll save yourself.
	I mean, but again, you're not paying for it.
	The state is.
	My cousin is actually doing it because he started his own trucking business as well.
	But he's doing box trucks.
	But I told him, I said, you might want to just go ahead and get your CDL because it looks so much better on paper, man.
	It just looks more professional.
	And that's the thing, guys.
	It's called professional truck drivers.
	And I think a lot of people have taken that professional part out.
	And you opt for manual over automatic at all times.
	I do because it's just better control.
	It's better control, man.
	To me, it's safer.
	So I had a cousin that used to do trucking for a living, right?
	But he told me, long story short, it is a lot of work, and it looks easy, but it's not.
	It's not.
	What does it actually entail to be a trucker, you would say?
	The actual good and bad.
	Okay, so let's start with the ugly first.
	I was fortunate to not have to be on the road two, three, four weeks at a time.
	That's why I got with a smaller company.
	I was home every week.
	I was off on weekends.
	Sometimes I would have to leave out on Sundays.
	Sometimes I wouldn't.
	But at the end of the day, the worst part that can possibly happen to you is that you get into an accident.
	Or you get out of shape and you start having a whole bunch of health issues because you can start to pick up a lot of weight.
	Because all they have out there is fast food.
	That's all they have out there at truck stops.
	That's all they have is fast food.
	So many truck drivers are out of shape.
	Yeah, I try to stay in shape.
	There's actually a trucker that actually follows you guys.
	He's a...
	I forget, man.
	God forgive me.
	I forget his IG, but he does fitness trucking.
	Like, he's a trucker and he does fitness.
	I think I've seen him in the chat before.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's in the Castle Club chat.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's him.
	That's him.
	He's a Castle Club OG. I think it works out in the truck, right?
	Yeah, he works out in the truck.
	He also goes to the gym, too, when he has time.
	And that's another thing.
	Your health is the most important thing when you're doing anything, but especially in trucking, because unlike, so I do flatbed, and we'll get into that, but I do flatbed, so I make sure that I get out, I have to tie down the loads, I gotta chain them down, because I just haul nothing but steel.
	That's all I haul is steel plates, like for infrastructure and stuff like that.
	I might do lumber here and there or something else, but yeah, for the most part, I have customer freight, which we'll get into that too.
	Okay.
	But, you know, I'm sorry for veering off, but to answer your questions, man, the worst part is...
	Is being out there on the road, not seeing your family.
	If you have a family, it's a very difficult strain on your relationship, on your family, or what have you.
	Your kids, not seeing them the way you would like to.
	But that's really the worst part of it, just getting out of shape and not being able to go home when you need to and not having that R&R time.
	Because you're right.
	He mentioned, for example, back then, him being single helped.
	When he had a wife and kids, it was harder because he was away from home for so long.
	And also, he said it was hard to stay awake sometimes on long trips.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if that makes sense.
	So that has happened to me multiple times.
	I like to go get it, bro.
	I go hard in the paint, man.
	I like to go get it.
	So for me, when you wear yourself down, and that was...
	Look, I'm just going to say this.
	So y'all that want to be truck drivers or that are truck drivers, when y'all get tired, please pull over.
	It's not worth it.
	It's not worth you passing away.
	It's not worth you killing somebody.
	You know, it's just not worth it.
	So when you're tired, just pull over, man.
	So he had a friend that used to drive a truck with him as well, and a guy fell asleep at the wheel, hit a tree, died instantly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's driving a big-ass truck, too.
	Yeah, and the thing about it is, trucks, like, they crumble like paper.
	There are cars I heard that are more durable than a truck is, honestly.
	Really?
	I'm dead serious.
	Gotta be Volkswagen.
	Gotta be Volkswagen, bro.
	It's all fiberglass for the most part.
	So they break apart, man.
	They do damage, bro.
	They do damage.
	Oh, I didn't answer the good part.
	The good part about it is you can make a lot of money depending on what you're doing.
	Now, I know there are certain companies where you can make a ton of money like Walmart.
	Walmart's a good one to start with.
	They make really good money.
	But coming out of school, you have to have at least, and this is the thing, you have to have at least six months to a year experience.
	Some companies require you to have Two years experience.
	Wow.
	But when you're coming out of school, you could drive for companies like Swift or J.B. Hunt or Schneider, places like that that will actually take in new drivers, train them, and you can get a sign-on bonus.
	You get benefits after the first 90 days or something like that, 60 days.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	So right away.
	Right away.
	But does that mean you have to be exclusive to them?
	You can't do freelance jobs?
	Yeah, you gotta be exclusive to them.
	You gotta be exclusive to them, right?
	You can't just pick up random loads in Laredo and shit?
	No.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Nope.
	Okay, so we talked about how to acquire the CDL, the many ways that you can get it, and then going to school, and how to get it funded.
	They get their CDL. What's the next step?
	The next step is you ask yourself if this is what I really want to do.
	Even though you went through all that training, is this what I really want to do?
	And what will happen is these career centers make it very easy for you to start making money right out the gate.
	Because the major trucking companies are actually going to be recruiting people from the school.
	And then sometimes you can actually put in somewhere where you might want to work and they might actually take you in and train you.
	Okay.
	So that's how you get that started.
	Okay.
	Now let's say you didn't go through a career center and you're doing it yourself.
	Do you have to manually apply to all these places?
	You have to manually apply to those places, yes.
	Okay, let's say you did everything on your own, you went and passed the test on your own, you're a resourceful guy, you read it, and maybe you have a truck that you can borrow, whatever the fuck someone taught you.
	So you have to go ahead and apply.
	Let's assume that they're not using a career center.
	What are some companies that you think that this should apply for them out the gate after they just got their license?
	The ones you mentioned before, Snyder, etc.
	Yeah, just the bigger companies, because those companies, they absolutely...
	Can you go through it one more time?
	You said Walmart, Schneider.
	Walmart, Schneider, but Walmart actually wants experience.
	Okay, so with no experience.
	Yeah, so with no experience, you could do Swift, Schneider, TMC, they're a flatbed company, Warner, there's a few others, but...
	If you Google it, they will show you which ones will take you in.
	And that's the best thing to do is to Google certain companies.
	But I just gave you guys like five or six companies.
	Offer it.
	Yes, they actually are good companies to start with.
	Now me, like I said, I went with a smaller company because I just didn't want to just be another number.
	They will keep you out on the road for weeks.
	That's what they will do.
	So the potential to make money is there, you'll be working, but it's going to be slave labor in the beginning.
	At first, yes.
	Everyone has to put in their time.
	You've got to pay your dues.
	You have to.
	So let's say you follow all these steps here, along with the actual getting the job.
	What's the starting salary you would say for somebody getting into it?
	Starting salary, it ranges between...
	You're going to make over $50,000 right away for the most part.
	Right away.
	Right away.
	But it ranges anywhere between $50,000 to $70,000 a year, depending on who you go with.
	Like, for example, now...
	If you go for a company like Schneider, they actually do Tanker as well, and that's hazmat work.
	So they automatically, off the rip, have to pay you a certain amount.
	But of course, they're going to train you first.
	And then if you want to venture off into Tanker...
	Then that's what you can do.
	And they will pay you, and then actually, if I'm not mistaken, they will actually give you health insurance before any other position they have.
	Gotcha.
	You go to the top of the list to get the health insurance benefits because of hazmat.
	So hazmat's like, you know, flammable, anything flammable, liquid, like, you know, stuff like that.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	So they can go ahead and...
	Damn, I had a question, but now I just forgot it.
	You mentioned getting the CDL and then applying for the jobs.
	You have the companies...
	Yeah, and then you asked them how much they pay.
	God damn it.
	I forgot what I was going to say.
	So what's the max you can make actually from, let's say for example, you start out 50, 70k, what can you get to eventually, maybe two, three, four years into it?
	If you're working for a company or if you're working for yourself, because those are two totally different platforms.
	Let's do both, company and then yourself.
	Okay, so company, I think Walmart drivers are pulling in 100k a year, man.
	Walmart drivers are pulling in like 100 to 120k a year.
	I remember what I was going to say.
	The trucks?
	Yes.
	Because obviously you just graduate, you're probably not going to have that kind of money to have your own truck.
	Right.
	Are these companies that you work for going to supply you with the trucks?
	Yes, they do.
	I'm assuming?
	They do.
	They have hundreds of trucks.
	Okay, so we'll give it to you, and you'll go that route.
	Yeah, you'll go that route.
	You'll have a trainer at first, so you'll have to stay with your trainer for, I think, five to six weeks or something like that.
	Okay.
	And then they'll assign you your own truck, and they just throw you to the wolves.
	Okay.
	And this is where I got...
	These are the two questions I want to ask you.
	First, do they supply your own trucks?
	You said yes.
	The second one is, is it more lucrative and should someone in the beginning, when they get these trucks, start saving up that beginning salary to get their own?
	Okay, it just depends because there are a lot of people that don't want that responsibility of having their own truck because it is a lot of work.
	Maintenance, care, tires.
	And we'll get into the whole fuel thing, but let me tell you something.
	I got one truck.
	I have one truck.
	I spend $13,000 a month just on fuel.
	Sheesh!
	Oh, wow.
	Holy!
	Just on gas.
	So again, this is not for everybody, but when we get into the owner-operator side, I'm going to break down by steps what you can do.
	And that's a very good point that you made.
	Should they save up?
	Once they start up, should they save up?
	Yeah, and the thing is, it's going to be easy to save because you're not going to be able to spend your money on anything.
	You're going to be on the road the whole time.
	So if you can't save while you're on the road, there's something wrong there.
	A lot of these truck drivers in the beginning probably don't even have a home address, do they?
	Maybe a P.O. box.
	They might have a P.O. box or they might have a home address and all they're doing is paying their rent.
	The lights aren't on, so that's all they're really paying for.
	Yeah.
	To actually get into that, to get into trucking is something that you really have to consider because it is a lot of work.
	We are not just holding the steering wheel all day.
	It's a lot of work, man.
	You can become fatigued very easily.
	I have a friend that started driving trucks a couple years ago.
	He went from driving trucks to actually owning the company and he buys trucks to lease out to other people.
	He's making it every month now, 400k a month.
	Yes.
	How do you even get there, bro?
	So what you do is...
	This is the owner-operator side, I'm assuming.
	Yeah, that's more the owner-operator side.
	If you guys want to segue into that, then we can.
	Before we do that, then let me ask this then, because I want to make sure we get the guys covered.
	I want to just get into this crap.
	So step one, get your CDL. You can go through it, whether you go through an agency that supports you, that's state paid, because I'm assuming truck drivers is a needed profession since they're funding it.
	It is.
	There's been a decline on them, right?
	Yes.
	That's political.
	We're not going to get into that because you guys are on YouTube.
	We're not going to get into that.
	We can talk about that behind the scenes, but yes.
	Yes and no.
	They're needed.
	Yes and no.
	We're needed, but it's not as much as they're saying it is.
	But yes, we're needed.
	Okay.
	So step one is to get your CDL, and you can go doing that whether the agency pays for it or you can fund it yourself and study for yourself.
	Yes.
	Go to trucking school.
	Once you acquire that CDL, you name several businesses that will go ahead and hire you with little to no experience.
	Yep.
	They will supply it with your own truck.
	You can stay in that world where you basically work for these companies and you're on the road all the time, etc.
	And you can make somewhere between $50,000 to $70,000 within your first few years.
	And then scale up to $100,000.
	And then we talked about you can do the more hazmat stuff.
	You're transporting oil, stuff like that, stuff that's flammable, etc.
	You get paid more for that.
	Yeah.
	So you could do that through these companies.
	And heavy hauling, too.
	Heavy hauling?
	Heavy hauling, it pays up.
	What's that?
	So heavy hauling, when you see your cranes and stuff built in these buildings.
	Oh, okay.
	And your tractors and your bulldozers and stuff that are really big, that's heavy hauling.
	Okay.
	And so, like, even airplanes.
	And, of course, that's government contracting.
	That's a whole other side of it.
	Okay.
	But even, like, aircraft and stuff like that, I mean, that stuff pays...
	What are the different disciplines that you can get into before we get into the owner-operator side?
	You got heavy hauling, you said hazmat.
	Hazmat.
	What else?
	So you have heavy hauling, hazmat, government contracts.
	Okay.
	But if you're working for a company and they already have government contracts, that's actually a good way for you to learn about it, pick people's brain about it.
	That way, if you decide that you want to get your own truck and do that, you can do it.
	So you suggest if you're going to go the government contract route, Work for a company first.
	See how the hell they're even doing it before you go into that.
	Yeah, because Myron, here's the thing, bro, and Fresh, here's the thing.
	This is what it is.
	There are so many people that go belly up, bro, just because they see what they want to make.
	And it's not a reality.
	They don't understand what goes into it.
	In order for you to own a trucking business, in order for you to own certain things, you absolutely have to understand how to manage your money first.
	Gotcha.
	And the way to discipline yourself doing that is to save as much money as you can by little things that's going to help you along your journey of trucking.
	Because it's very good when you...
	Our owner-operator is very good sometimes, but then you're going to hit those spurts where it's just like, why the heck did I do this?
	That's solid advice.
	Let me ask you this then.
	How long should someone drive for a company or under the auspice of a more professional background before they go into the owner-operator realm?
	Well, since we don't deal with the exception to the rule, right?
	In general, for most of the average person.
	So for the average person, I would say two to three years.
	Minimum.
	Minimum.
	Okay.
	Minimum.
	But if you are a savant at managing money, then you could get into it as early as a year or so.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So guys, if y'all want to own your own trucking business, if you want to become an own operator, not necessarily even own your own trucking business, But if you want to become an owned operator, what you do is, again, you save that money because I wouldn't suggest anyone start a company in trucking or even becoming an owned operator until you have at least $10,000 to $20,000 saved up just in case something happens.
	And it's always a matter of when, not if.
	Okay.
	100%.
	10 to 20K saved up.
	Okay.
	And they can save that within a year or a couple of years.
	Absolutely.
	They can save that while simultaneously learning these things.
	Oh, and by the way, it's a very easy way to build your credit.
	Because if you get a couple of credit cards and you're just spending them out there on the road and you're paying them off, by the time you go to get a truck, you could put zero money down on a truck.
	So that sort of thing is also critical for building up your credit as well.
	So we got heavy hauling, hazmat, government contracts.
	What else?
	Are there any other...
	You do flatbeds, right?
	I do flatbeds.
	Isn't that the most common?
	Flatbed, I would say it's a toss-up between flatbed and dry van.
	But then you do have flatbed and dry van.
	Dry van is where you haul your goods, like a Walmart does.
	Containers?
	Yeah, containers too.
	Containers is different, but you can make money off of that too.
	Okay, let me write that down.
	Okay, containers.
	So, okay, is drive-in like driving food?
	Yeah, so anything that's dry goods.
	So it could be car parts.
	People actually put cars in there sometimes.
	Okay, for drive-in.
	Yeah, yeah, drive-in.
	And then what's container?
	So container is just like drive-in, but a lot of this stuff is expedited.
	So food.
	We're talking food.
	Yeah.
	Fruits, vegetables, stuff like that.
	Fruits and vegetables, but there's a difference between a dry container and one that's refrigerated.
	It's just like a regular trailer.
	And then you have a refrigerated trailer which hauls all the produce, the milk, the eggs, all that stuff.
	And there's a refrigerator unit in the front of the trailer where you can actually adjust the temperature.
	That way the stuff doesn't spoil or anything like that.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	So you got container and that breaks down into, what'd you say again?
	It was one that's refrigerated and one that's not.
	Yeah, one that's refrigerated, one that's not.
	It's just like dry van containers, they're all the same thing at the end of the day.
	Okay.
	And the only thing with dry van is that a dry van is just like a whole trailer.
	With a container, you can actually take the container off.
	You've seen container ships and stuff like that.
	So you can actually take the container off of that trailer part and then put another one on there.
	So drive-in is the general category.
	Container is within drive-in.
	Yes.
	And then within container, you've got refrigerated and non-refrigerated.
	Exactly.
	And then you got flatbed.
	What is flatbed?
	That's like when you can haul anything, you said rightly.
	Basically, you can haul trees on there.
	I'm not talking about the sticky-icky guys.
	But you can haul trees on there.
	You can haul anything on there, like steel.
	Behavior.
	You stop playing.
	And then, okay, so I got heavy hauling, hazmat, government contracts, flatbed, flatbed.
	Drive-in, which also contains container.
	Anything else in there that we can, as far as like different...
	Oh, no.
	Yeah.
	Was there anything else?
	So when we're talking about heavy hauling, you have to have a trailer called a low boy.
	A low boy is just a flatbed for the most part, but it has a detachable part in the front so you can drive the equipment off of it.
	Oh my gosh, I can't believe I almost forgot this.
	Car hauling.
	Fellas, or ladies in the chat, fellas in the chat, I'm telling you, car hauling is another one.
	Car hauling is a cheat code, I'm just letting y'all know.
	I didn't want to get into it, but car hauling is a cheat code, and once you know it, oh my gosh, bro.
	Oh, is this like we're talking...
	They're bringing in money.
	Is this when we're talking like someone doesn't want to drive their car across country and you're bringing it across for them?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And that's what I ultimately...
	I ultimately want to do enclosed car hauling so I can haul exotics.
	Yeah.
	That's like the dream that I want to do.
	Okay.
	That's my dream.
	I have friends that do, for example, a lot of meet and greets around the world.
	And they'll go to Vermont.
	They'll go to, for example, California.
	Yeah.
	And they'll all put their cars on a trailer truck.
	I think it's the one where, per car, 2 to 5k per car?
	It's a lot.
	Yeah, and it depends on what car.
	Because if you're going to cross country, you're adding in the miles and you're adding in the rate.
	And that's another thing.
	You get paid...
	A lot of people get paid unless you're on a 1099.
	But if you're on a 1099, a lot of people pay you percentage.
	They don't pay you per mile.
	And per mile these days, man, I mean, it's went down so much.
	But luckily for me, I'm blessed enough...
	To have customer freight.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Out of all these options here, what's the most, I want to say, lucrative one you would choose from to make money?
	As much money as possible.
	Well, there's a lot of lazy people in the world, so a lot of people don't want to do flatbed.
	Okay.
	Because that requires work.
	I did that for a specific reason.
	Okay.
	Why did you do flatbed?
	I did flatbed because...
	Easiest to find jobs, maybe?
	Yeah, it's very easy to find freight.
	It's easy to find freight.
	It's easy to find freight.
	And when you say freight, you mean like finding loads that you can transport where you can basically get awarded a contract to drive it.
	Absolutely.
	But drive-in is the most...
	Drive-in is the most repetitive one.
	Like, you can find loads anywhere in drive-in.
	Yeah.
	Anywhere.
	But flatbed, you can haul a lot of things and it pays a little more, too.
	Okay.
	Yeah, flatbed pays a little more.
	And I can see why this car hauling is so...
	Because, dude, everyone I know that always does, man, it's so expensive to move my car across, but it's a luxury.
	Dude.
	So you can upcharge them as much as you want because the people that are paying for this have expendable income, clearly.
	Right.
	Well, that, but see, with car hauling, it's not just for those people that want their car transported.
	You got Ford, Mazda, they have their stuff.
	Have you ever seen Lambos and stuff on top of the truck?
	And you know what?
	They want to put miles on the car.
	Absolutely.
	I got a buddy of mine.
	I don't know why he does too much money.
	He'll literally get a truck to take his car from Philardo to Miami, not to put miles on the car.
	I'm like, bro, what's wrong with you, man?
	But it adds up.
	He does that.
	But he don't want to put miles on the car.
	Wow.
	I may get it, but God damn, that's a lot.
	Yeah, I'd rather drive, man.
	I like the sound of the engines and stuff.
	I'd rather drive.
	That's just me.
	Just in this past little bit, we've covered so much.
	We've covered how to get your CDL. We've covered the different routes to acquire it, whether you're paying for it or whatever through an agency, how much it's going to cost you, etc.
	The type of truck, how to get your first job, and then what type of trucks you're going to be driving, the type of hauling you're going to be doing.
	It could be heavy hauling with a little boy trailer, hazmat, government contracts, flatbeds, drive-in, which also has containers, which goes into more refrigerated or non-refrigerated, and then we've got car hauling, and there even you can go with working with exotics or working for dealerships or working privately for people that just want to move their car across country.
	Anything else?
	So, I guess if you want to segue into being an owner-operator, we can do that.
	But for starting out, yes.
	I mean, that's just a basic breakdown of how you do stuff.
	Because if you're just coming out of school and stuff, I promise you, people these days are not going to stay at one job for 25 years.
	They don't do that anymore.
	Right.
	I could only imagine if you got like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini deal, the car all in.
	That'd be crazy.
	Yeah, yeah, bro.
	I'd like to ask you though, let's say I'm gonna get into trucks, right, and buy a truck.
	Should I buy used or new?
	Oh, now this is the owner operator cut, right?
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	So the first chapter here, right, please put this in the timestamps or clip that part for you guys.
	We covered how to get into trucking as a brand new person.
	You want to just make some money, et cetera.
	CDL. As an employee.
	How to start.
	Yeah.
	How much money you need to start up, you know, how long you should be saving, you should be saving how much you'll need.
	So now, let's say they've been working for three years.
	They followed your advice.
	They did all types of different hauling.
	They're confident now, like, you know what, man?
	I'm gonna go get my own truck and do this shit myself.
	These companies are making a bunch of money off of me.
	I want to start seeking some of that profit.
	What is the first thing they should do?
	How should they go about it getting into now the more entrepreneurial side of this?
	Okay, so the entrepreneurial side of it is just getting your own truck in general.
	Step one.
	Step one is just getting your own truck.
	You pick out a truck.
	Me, personally, I like older trucks because you don't have to run electronic logbooks.
	You can run paper logs.
	And paper logbook is, like, with electronic logbooks, they, I mean, they monitor everything that you do.
	And you're required to take a 10-hour break.
	Yes, you are.
	You're required to take a 10-hour break.
	Mandatory.
	Mandatory 10-hour break.
	You get arrested if you don't, right?
	Yeah.
	They're pretty serious on that.
	Yeah.
	Department of Transportation?
	You don't get arrested, but you will get fined.
	And that fine can be anywhere from, like, if you have log infraction, it can be anywhere from $500 to $1,500 dollars.
	And let me guess, do you have to pay out the pocket or is the company responsible for it?
	Well, the company's responsible for it, but some of them will dock you your pay.
	From your pay.
	From your pay.
	They might not do it all at once, but they will dock you.
	I got money!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, of course, they're going to get their money somehow.
	Yeah, and if you're a bigger company, you're always going to have those issues anyway if you're a bigger company because when you have...
	3,000 or 4,000 plus drivers on the road, you're going to have those issues.
	You have money set aside just for that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And who is it that, just out of curiosity, I know it's the Department of Transportation, but is it most of the troopers that enforce that?
	It's the Department of Transportation, yeah.
	The troopers are only doing what they're supposed to do.
	They just work for the bigger branch.
	That's all they do.
	Okay.
	Okay, so the first thing is to get your first truck.
	You said an older truck.
	What year range are we talking right now?
	So there's a thing called glider kits.
	Now what glider kits are, what a glider motor is, is a motor that does not have DEF. That's supposed to make the fuel burn cleaner.
	It's on all the newer trucks.
	If you have a pre-def engine, you do not have to run e-logs, electronic logbook.
	Okay.
	So when we're talking about years, it'll be anywhere from like a...
	We could be anywhere from like a, you can go as far back as 80s if you want.
	Okay.
	You can go as far back as 80s.
	80s until when did these electronic log books be?
	What year did they start?
	So what year should...
	Well, they started...
	They started...
	It has to be...
	The motor has to be 1999 or...
	Newer.
	No, 1999 or older.
	Okay, 1999 or older is pre-deaf.
	So it means it's non-electronic logs.
	Yeah, non-electronic log books, yep.
	And you can usually find, I mean, you have people that custom, like they customize these trucks, but you can find an older truck for like 15 to 20K. So I mentioned, well, before the question was, should I buy used or new?
	When it comes to buying used, can we get loans on those used trucks?
	You can, but it can't.
	So here's another thing.
	There are trucks out there that are newer, like 2000, anywhere from like the 2010s to like 2020 or 2018, 2019, where they have glider kit motors in them.
	So they still don't have to run E-Log, and then you get all the benefits of having a newer truck with all the essentials in it and stuff, like refrigerator and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'd go that route.
	I just like older trucks because they're easier to work on.
	Okay.
	But you can get a newer truck.
	Without the electric lock?
	Yeah, yep.
	And those are...
	Do you know what year range those come into?
	Or are they in any year?
	So, again, they're from around, like, 2010-ish to 2019 or 2020.
	Okay.
	So you can't find these modern trucks that don't have the e-logs.
	You can.
	But I think the bottom line that we're trying to get to the people is avoid e-logs if you can when you purchase your first truck.
	Yes, if you can, do it.
	But if you already have something...
	Well, the thing is...
	Most people that are going to purchase a truck, they're going to lease onto a company that, guess what, probably has e-logs anyway.
	So there's no way really to avoid it then.
	They're going to track the miles anyway and as well services.
	That's crazy!
	So I guess the best practice is try to avoid e-logs if you can.
	If you can.
	But the reality is when you get contracted by these companies, they're going to e-log you anyway.
	Yeah, now some of them do half e-log, some of them don't.
	Okay.
	So, you'll have a company that if they have a newer truck, you have e-logs in that truck.
	If you have an older truck, they're going to let you run paper.
	But if you're an owner-operator, do you have to use their trucks?
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay.
	No, no, you don't have to use their truck.
	What I'm saying is, like, with the e-logs, you have companies that...
	That you'll lease on to.
	You're basically a contractor.
	So you're going to be on a 1099.
	Which means you're going to have to pay for your own fuel.
	You're going to have to pay for your own maintenance and all that stuff.
	Most companies will give you a fuel card.
	And when they give you a fuel card, all they're doing is just taking that fuel that you use for that week.
	They're taking it off your pay.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	So you're responsible for everything.
	Everything.
	Now, can you describe real quick to the people what a log is in general?
	So you've got paper logs and electronic logs, but what is that specifically?
	So a log book, you have 24 hours in a day, as we all know.
	You have 24 hours in a day.
	You are allowed a 14-hour day.
	You're allowed a 14-hour day, which means you get three hours to do unloading, loading, and taking your 30-minute break.
	Okay.
	You have 11 hours to drive.
	Okay.
	And you have to take that 10-hour break.
	Now, you could take a break before your 11 hours are up, or you can take it before you even drive eight hours, five hours, six hours.
	It just depends on how far your run is.
	At that time.
	Okay.
	But basically you're just tracking where you stopped, where you got fuel, if you stopped, and if you have an electronic log, if you stopped, it's going to show when you stopped anyway.
	Okay.
	But you say, oh, I stopped for the bathroom, or I stopped to get something to eat.
	Yeah.
	But when most people get something to eat, they're doing it on their 30-minute break.
	Okay.
	Now what they changed is, and this was in the past couple years, what they changed with e-logs And logs in general, if you're at a shipper sitting for more than 30 minutes, that's already included in your break.
	So you don't even have to take a break now if you don't want to.
	If you were sitting for longer than 30 minutes at your stop.
	Okay.
	When you say a shipper break, you mean like somewhere where they're...
	Somewhere where you're loading, that's a shipper.
	And then...
	A shipper is where you're loading, and the receiver is when you offload.
	Okay.
	And sometimes, depending on what you're doing, depending on how many trucks are there, depending on how slow they are, I've been at shippers and receivers.
	I think the longest I was ever at one was nine hours.
	Oh, shit.
	Waiting to get unloaded.
	Wow.
	This was at a construction site.
	Okay.
	But they pay you for all that, right?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because that's not on you.
	Yeah, you get paid detention time.
	Okay.
	And for me, so I don't move my truck unless I'm getting four plus miles a gallon.
	I mean, four plus miles per, you know, for money.
	Like, so yeah, I'll pay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If I'm getting like $4 and I don't move for less than $4 a mile.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't.
	But every run that I have, it pays over that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because I have customer freight.
	So now, okay, now that we're on the entrepreneurial side, now you need to start assessing how much you're getting paid per mile.
	Absolutely.
	Because before, right, when you're working for these companies, oh, whatever, they're going to pay me a set.
	It don't matter.
	And they'll pay you.
	You have companies that will start you off at $0.45 a mile.
	I mean, it doesn't sound like much, but if you run the miles, you can still make like $1,200 to $1,300.
	And these are longer trips normally when you're...
	I'm assuming they're going to abuse you when you're new.
	Absolutely.
	From New York to California.
	You have no seniority.
	They're abusing you.
	You're going to make that money back anyway, right?
	It's more money, but you make it.
	And what they do is they're going to ask you, well, what regions do you like to run?
	And we don't have force dispatch, but yet they'll dispatch you in a forceful way.
	So they have force dispatch.
	Okay, can you tell the people real quick, what is forced dispatch and how does the dispatching work in general?
	Because that's something we didn't touch on yet.
	A forced dispatch is when you have no say in where you want to go.
	Okay.
	You have no say in where you want to go at all.
	Now...
	You have some companies, once they see how good of a worker you are, they may let you decide what lane you want to run.
	And lanes are what states you want to run, what regions you want to run.
	Like for me personally, I only run Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and Florida.
	I don't go anywhere else.
	Okay, you're not going north, you're not going out west?
	Nope.
	None of that.
	I've never went out west.
	I've been out there several times off trips and stuff, but I've...
	No, I don't drive out there because you got to think about...
	Just think about it.
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	Yeah.
	Think about this.
	Don't worry about him, bro.
	Go ahead.
	So think about this, yeah.
	So basically, if...
	Fuel is, the average fuel right now, average fuel is about, I think it's like 387 to 390 a gallon.
	That's the average fuel right now.
	Okay.
	Average.
	We're talking diesel, right?
	Diesel fuel, yes.
	Because that's the only thing you can use.
	And then on top of that, you have DEF, which is usually higher than that.
	So you're going to have to put that in there as well.
	Okay.
	So if you're driving...
	Okay, so for example, people think they're making a lot of money.
	Well, if you take this one to Cali from New Jersey, you can make $7,000.
	That's all well and good, but...
	It's going to take me three or four days to get out there or four days to get out there.
	And on top of that, I'm going to be spending half of that in fuel.
	Just getting out there.
	So is it really worth it?
	Or do you want to take shorter loads and then, you know, and then more runs?
	More runs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that's what I do.
	I do a lot of quantity.
	Okay.
	That's what I do.
	You do more runs, shorter distances.
	Shorter distances.
	With tried and true routes.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Because there are just certain places I'm not going.
	Okay.
	I just won't.
	Like Northeast, I may start going up there, but the money has to be right.
	It has to be right to go up there.
	Okay.
	Because then you're dealing with inclement weather and all this other bullshit as well.
	All that stuff.
	Alright, so we talked about the logs, force dispatch.
	Now, and you said...
	So, okay, so someone gets their truck...
	We want a truck that's pre-def, right?
	So that they can go ahead and not have to deal with electronic locks.
	And not to cut you off, I'm sorry.
	No, go ahead.
	But I'm telling you, there have been, to replace def units, it's almost like replacing the motor itself.
	Holy!
	It's like 20 to 30k sometimes to replace def because the def completely ruined the motor.
	And to be clear, the DEF is the type of fuel that it takes.
	It's more environmentally sound.
	Allegedly.
	But it also comes with electronic.
	It does.
	And we were talking about the log.
	So you got electronic.
	So electronic automatically does it for you versus a logbook.
	Yeah.
	Now, why is a logbook superior to the electronic?
	Because wouldn't the electronic be more convenient?
	It just does it for you?
	Yeah, it would be, but...
	There's a reason why I say that I don't like anyone tracking what I do when I move and stuff like that.
	More privacy.
	Yeah, more privacy.
	And for argument's sake, let's just say there's a big reason why I like running Paperlog.
	I like to run, so I'll be back and forth before the sun comes up.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	You see where I'm going.
	You see where I'm going.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You're able to finesse.
	I get it.
	A little bit.
	Can we give him a little break in case of the chats?
	I guess we could.
	I mean, we cooking, man.
	Yeah, we cooking, man.
	I'm good, bro.
	Okay.
	Be careful.
	So, chat, go ahead and get your questions in because obviously this is a very educational episode.
	I'm learning a fuck ton myself.
	Holy crap.
	And by the way, and I'm trying not to read the chats, man, but there was, I think there was a chat in there that said, well, he only has one truck.
	You guys got to do better.
	What you don't understand is I don't want the headache of having drivers working under me as company drivers.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	So what's going on with me is I am hiring six drivers on in August, but they're going to already be on operators.
	And what I do is I get a percentage.
	So they get 85%.
	They're bringing all their equipment.
	The only thing I'm supplying them with is a fuel card.
	And then they all have to come under my insurance.
	But when they come under my insurance, that gets taken out every week.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That's how that's rolling.
	Now, I know y'all probably don't think one truck brings in a lot of money, but I promise you, when you're running right and you're doing things the way they're supposed to be done, it brings in some really good money.
	I've seen some numbers myself, and I'm considering buying a truck myself, too.
	Not for me to drive, but for someone else to drive for me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And that's what a lot of people are doing as well.
	But if you ever have any questions, bro, just hit me up about it, and I'll be sure to let you know, man.
	But a lot of people are doing that, Myron.
	I think that'd be something lucrative for y'all to do.
	So you're an owner-operator, but you're hiring people under you that are running the loads.
	So my question is then, what incentive do they have to go under you when they can just do it themselves if they're an owner-operator just like yourself?
	Because...
	Insurance?
	Well, for one, insurance.
	Number two, they don't have to worry about finding loads.
	I have all of the runs already.
	Okay.
	I was going to say you got the connects to you.
	I have plenty.
	They give me so much, Pauls, that...
	You can't do them all yourself?
	I can't.
	I can't.
	I just can't.
	So I have more than enough freight out there for everyone to eat, bro.
	Gotcha.
	Basically.
	And that's why I'm here because I want people to be better than me, man.
	This is not about me.
	It's not about me the whole reason.
	He doesn't have a course or anything to sell to y'all.
	He's literally like, this is just a guy that loves what he does that's giving you guys free content.
	No incentive at all to, I gotta sell you a course or some other shit.
	That's why he's telling you guys everything straight up right here.
	Yeah, and the whole reason why I started this in the first place was so that my mother could retire and so that my family will be good.
	That's the whole reason I started this whole thing in the first place is so that my mom can retire.
	She doesn't have to worry about anything for the rest of her life.
	I think you should do some coaching though because you seem to know a lot of knowledge here.
	Yeah, he'll be doing some consults with people if they got questions.
	I'm telling you, when y'all first announced that I was coming on, I had about 50 DMs like that same night.
	It was insane.
	I was like, you know what?
	I need to put everybody in a group chat so that way if they have any questions or if they want consultations and stuff, they can just ask me.
	You know, but I just want you guys to eat.
	There's enough out here for everybody to eat.
	You just have to stop being lazy.
	That's it.
	I can see it now.
	In stars and lights.
	Pressure fit trucking.
	There you go.
	Alright, so we talked about the logs, electronic logs versus non-electronic logs.
	They get their first truck, right?
	And obviously it's very important that they get their first truck that's pre-DEF so they can avoid electronic logs.
	Though it's still potential.
	There's still going to be a high potential where when they contract with someone and they're working for them, even as an owner-operator, they're still going to have to do electronic logs.
	But you want to minimize it as much as possible, right?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay.
	And maybe in the Zoom call we can go ahead and go into the more details of that stuff we won't talk about on YouTube.
	Okay.
	So they procure the first truck, you said around $15,000 or $20,000.
	Yeah, you can get one around $15,000 or $20,000.
	A good one too, right?
	Yeah.
	It's hit or miss.
	Okay.
	I suggest that y'all go out there because a bank will...
	They will definitely approve you because it's a moneymaker.
	It's not something that's just luxury.
	It's going to be a moneymaker.
	Okay.
	So how much should they really...
	So what should they be shooting for then?
	You're saying $15,000, $20,000 maybe to get your foot in the door?
	To get everything started.
	Okay.
	But what if they want to get...
	You know what?
	I want to do this right the first time.
	I want to get a truck that's not going to break down on me.
	I don't want any shortcuts.
	What should they have?
	You want to pay about anywhere from...
	70 to 80...
	70 to 90k because trucks are easily...
	Well, newer trucks are 200,000 plus.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	200,000 plus.
	But 70 to 90k...
	70 to 90k will put you in a really good position.
	Okay.
	So now I see what you mean when you said save up for three years.
	You don't want to get into this owner-operator thing right away.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Again, you have to know how to...
	It's just like me.
	I want to get into real estate, but I know certain things about it, but I'm not going to just go out there and be like, Oh, I'm going to buy all these properties.
	I don't know nothing about it.
	Yeah, for sure.
	You just can't bum rush.
	And people always want quick money.
	They don't understand that things take time.
	Things took time for you fellas, right?
	Yeah, for sure.
	So they think that you can just get into trucking and make all this money.
	Now, it can make a big difference in someone's life that was always working in a grocery store or something like that.
	It can make a big difference.
	That jump in capital and stuff, it can make a big difference.
	Yeah.
	I think working an office job, being inside all the time, and being in an enclosed area, doing that is way more fun, I would say.
	Trucking.
	It's like, it's my office.
	No one's bothering me.
	And I just couldn't work for anyone anymore.
	I was done.
	And I have an LLC. Because I didn't plan on putting on 50, 60, 70 trucks.
	I didn't plan on doing that.
	I always had a cap, and that cap is 10 trucks.
	That's it.
	Because anything over that, you have to do.
	You gotta do corporate.
	Ah, you gotta go to the corporate route after 10 trucks.
	Okay.
	Alright, so you get your first truck.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	Correction, after 20 trucks.
	Forgive me, y'all.
	Sorry.
	Okay, so you can get your phone in the door with 15 or 20K, get your first truck.
	But if you really want to get a good one, 70 to 90.
	Let's say you get your first truck, 15, 20k, etc.
	Whatever it is, right?
	Then what?
	What's the next route after that next step?
	So, after you get your truck, they're going to want insurance first.
	They're going to want to see that you have insurance.
	Or...
	Okay, I'm kind of jumping the gun because I'm talking about owning a business.
	So if you get your own truck, there will be some people that will not hire you on because, maybe because of the year of the truck or what have you, because there are people that have policies, but...
	Oh, that's a good point.
	So what's the latest they can, what's the oldest they can buy then so that they can still be marketable and be able to find work?
	I'd say a 2,000, and it depends on the shape of the truck and how good a shape it's in, like if it can pass their inspection.
	But depending on what type of insurance the company has, I would say don't do anything under like a 2010-ish, 2012.
	2010 is the oldest they can get.
	Just to be on the safe side.
	So someone that they get the money, whatever they want.
	Fuck it.
	Let's just give them to them.
	Because you know people need the kiss, keep it simple, stupid.
	What truck should they purchase as their first truck if they want to go into the owner-operator world?
	What model year would you suggest is a great beginner truck for people that's still somewhat affordable, but they can get their foot in the dirt and get as many jobs as possible to build more capital?
	Oh, I would say like a Kenworth T680, a Freightliner Cascadia.
	Now, these all have death on them.
	So, you know, we're just going the route of, you know, to get your foot in the door.
	Yeah, most marketable.
	Yeah, a T680 Kenworth, a Freightliner Cascadia, a Freightliner Coronado.
	They're really good trucks.
	I mean, those are some nice trucks.
	And they're glider kits.
	Okay.
	But they're newer.
	Okay.
	They're newer.
	And the glider kit again, one more time, what is that?
	The glider kit is just a motor that doesn't have def in it.
	Boom.
	That's all it is.
	Yeah, you want to avoid def when you can.
	Yeah, because you can get a really nice, reliable truck.
	Like, I would go Coronado.
	That's a Freightliner Coronado.
	Oh, yeah, those are the T680s that you just put on the screen.
	Those are Kenworth T680s.
	Thank you, Bill.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, man, good looking on that one.
	Yeah, we'll pull that up so we can have more visual for these guys.
	I got you.
	I got you.
	Shout out to Bills.
	And you guys can see the Twitter numbers on there as well.
	Shout out to Bills.
	Just improving the quality all the time.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you, Bills.
	WBills.
	Yeah, WBills, man.
	Someone said a Kenworth W900. That truck is a very beautiful truck.
	You're just going to have to have money to get one of those.
	Okay.
	Oh!
	They're actually...
	They're doable now, though.
	They're doable now.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's like the big pop of trucks.
	Those and Peter built 389s, 379s.
	So these are all good trucks to start with.
	What are the price ranges of all these different trucks?
	I'm assuming it varies, or...?
	It varies depending on the year, depending on what's in it.
	2010 for these.
	So if we're talking 2010...
	Which is the oldest they can get.
	If we're talking 2010, man, those trucks are still selling for like...
	They're still selling for anywhere between 80 to 90.
	Damn!
	Okay.
	Yeah, because of the type of truck it is.
	Those trucks are like the classic of, let's just say we have an American car.
	Those would be like the Corvette of cars.
	Okay, the trucking world.
	Now you mentioned earlier that trucks in the 80s are good.
	They are.
	But would that fuck you up with being able to find jobs once you go the owner-operator route?
	Well, it depends, again, on the company.
	Now, there are some companies that, like for example, there are a lot of flatbed companies that, you know, they're smaller, like they got like 15, 20 trucks.
	A lot of them don't mind just as long as it can pass inspection.
	Okay.
	So a lot of them won't mind.
	And if the insurance will take them, that's another thing.
	Because some of these people have had their same insurance companies for years, and they're just like, just because you've been with us for so long, we know you so well, yeah, just bring this guy on.
	And that's another thing.
	But you're just saying if someone's starting out and they want to be the most marketable, these are the units that shouldn't give you no problems with getting insurance and being a brand new owner-operator.
	It shouldn't give you issues at all.
	It really shouldn't.
	So should a more experienced person purchase a vehicle, one of these trucks that's in the 80s like you said before?
	Yeah, a more experienced person can because they know the motor.
	They know what it's going to take to, like, if it's not exactly 100%, to get it to where it can be, you know, pretty darn near 100%.
	So, like, I started off with a 1987 Freightliner cab over, you know, like the ones that look like the Terminator trucks?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like flat-nosed trucks?
	That's what I started out with, but it was stretched.
	It was a beautiful truck, man.
	Beautiful truck.
	You know Transformers, right?
	Yeah.
	Optimus Prime.
	It looked just like that.
	That's crazy.
	It looked just like that.
	Just to go back real quick to the truck that you can drive.
	Optimus Prime.
	What about box trucks?
	Is that a whole other world?
	Box trucks is a whole other world, but there are a lot of people that are doing box trucks.
	I've been reading up on it.
	I'm not too savvy on it, but I've been reading up on it.
	Oh, so it's its own discipline.
	It's not the same as this.
	It's not.
	It's not.
	But the thing about a box truck is you can definitely get into places where a big truck cannot.
	And that's where they come into play.
	And that's why they're so lucrative and so good to have these days.
	They're bigger in major cities, aren't they?
	Like in New York City, et cetera, is run by box trucks.
	Absolutely.
	It's terrible.
	My dad used to go to Brooklyn all the time.
	Oh my gosh.
	I don't even know how he did it, bro.
	He decided the truck and the trailer, and he had the back end off the side street where there's cars on either side.
	That dude was amazing.
	I can imagine buying a truck almost like buying a car in a way.
	It is.
	What is the mileage you should buy lowest and highest, you would say?
	Most older trucks are going to have a million plus miles on them.
	A million?
	A million miles on a truck?
	Yeah.
	Damn!
	Yeah, you've got to remember something.
	It's diesel.
	What diesel does last a lot.
	Most bigger companies, it's also called preventative maintenance.
	A lot of people, they do 15K in oil change.
	I always do 10 to 12K. That's what I do.
	I change my oil every 10 to 12,000 miles.
	So I don't, you know, the motor will be as good as it needs to be for that time.
	Just doing preventative maintenance will help you out so much.
	It will help you stay ahead of the curve and don't take any shortcuts.
	So my first truck can be a million miles?
	Yeah, your first truck can be, but by then the motor's probably already rebuilt.
	Got it.
	Okay, that makes sense though.
	So what's on the odometer doesn't necessarily reflect the engine sometimes.
	Exactly.
	And what most bigger companies do, and this is a thing that you guys should look into, guys that are watching, when...
	With most bigger companies, they'll start to get rid of their trucks around 400,000 to 450,000.
	So you still got some good uses in it.
	That's when you come in and you pick it up.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And then that's when you guys should go in there and get it because it's going to be on a fresh trade-in.
	Because they get trucks every two to three years.
	Wow.
	Okay, that actually leads...
	Okay, so going back to the whole starting up as an owner-operator, etc., we talked about what trucks to get, how much it's going to cost, etc.
	Where should they go to procure them?
	You're saying these businesses, they want to get rid of them?
	So basically, you can go to any place that sells trucks.
	So they have Kenworth, Peterbilt.
	They have mom-and-pop dealerships for trucks.
	To be honest with you, a lot of them have really good trucks because it's going to be the truck that you want and they're going to make sure that it was taken care of.
	Now, when you go to a dealership, sometimes they might give you a warranty just because you brought one of their trucks.
	They may give you warranty.
	Like MHC is a major one.
	MHC is very, very good with supplying you trucks.
	What about auction?
	You can get a truck at an auction, but the thing about an auction is you never know what you're getting.
	Even because it's not checked out or anything, so you don't know what can be wrong with it, that's when a mechanic comes into play.
	You have to check for blow-by, which is when you take the oil cap off, and when you take the oil cap off, you see if there's any smoke coming up or if there's oil pushing out.
	You want to stay away from those.
	That's scary, bro.
	Yeah, yeah, it is.
	It is.
	Like, that means that you're...
	Digging on the whale, probably.
	Yep.
	Damn, son.
	Yep, and you don't want that because...
	Imagine spending all that money for a truck and then it blows up like a month later.
	Oh, I have plenty of stories that has happened to me.
	You?
	Yeah, that's happened to me.
	A few times.
	How do you recover from that?
	A few times.
	Bro, it's one of the most difficult things to recover from.
	This is why you save.
	And this is why you have...
	That's when a 10 to 20K comes in that you were talking about.
	And to be honest with you, it wasn't always like that when I could just be like, okay, let me just get another truck.
	Let me fix this truck.
	Like, it's times where I was like, you know what?
	I'm about to shut the doors.
	But then I was just like...
	This is all par for the course.
	I'm just going to grind and just do what I have to do.
	And if I have to get another truck, I'll just get another truck.
	That's it.
	And I've just been very fortunate to be able to sell the stuff I have and be able to do certain things.
	And again, bro, it has happened to me.
	All because of a little hose that busted.
	Whole motor is done.
	Get a Caterpillar motor, 30 grand just to rebuild.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	It's like getting a 304, starting all over.
	Yep.
	Too much miles.
	Too much miles.
	Telling you, bro.
	Too many miles.
	So, okay, so we talked about getting your first truck, how much it's going to cost, miles to look for, where you can get it, etc.
	They got it.
	They're ready to go.
	They're ready to hit the road.
	How do they start finding jobs?
	So, again, are we talking about from them being leased to own to someone?
	Are we talking about them starting their own business?
	Because those are two totally different things.
	Let's do leased to own and then do owner on Castle Club for the Zoom call.
	Because time's ticking.
	We've got Donovan too, by the way.
	Okay, so I guess what route will most people go?
	Most people are going to definitely take the route of leasing onto a company.
	Oh, by the way, guys, don't be sold the false dream of doing lease purchase.
	It usually never works out.
	Lease purchasing is when you are with a company and they want to convert you over to owner-operator.
	And what they do is they'll convert you over to owner-operator.
	They'll say, oh, you're going to make this much of a percentage for the loads.
	You're no longer a company driver.
	But guess what?
	Now all of the maintenance and stuff falls on you.
	So basically you're driving one of their trucks that they're going to give to you.
	Yeah.
	Oh, hell no.
	Okay.
	And then the thing is...
	You're leasing the truck to own it.
	Yes.
	So you're basically...
	Your own operator at that point.
	Your owner-operator.
	Okay.
	But now you're responsible for the truck.
	You're responsible for it.
	Yep.
	And they can decide whether or not they're going to run you or not.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sometimes you'll have a pick of where you want to go, but they'll give you crappy lows just so you can not make your truck payment.
	Because those lease purchase truck payments are like $3,200 a month.
	Oh.
	Yeah, they're a lot of money a month, bro.
	So you're better off just buying your own truck and then leasing on it.
	And then going on and working for them that way versus getting the truck through them and then paying them.
	And they're going to be probably e-logging you the whole time.
	Yeah.
	You're really still going to be under their thumb, but you're just going to have the opportunity and the illusion to make more money.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Some people it works out, but the majority it's a freaking nightmare.
	I know because I tried it.
	I can only imagine you doing that and then let's say, for example, your truck breaks down on the road.
	Oh yeah, you're responsible for that.
	It's like you're responsible for everything, but you don't have the same independence.
	Yeah, and here's the thing.
	Stepdaddy.
	Stepdaddy.
	What'll happen is, what'll happen is with that is they will basically say, oh yeah, we'll pay for the repair.
	But guess what?
	It comes out of your pay.
	Because what they do is they start a maintenance fund for you.
	Some of the money is going into a maintenance account for you.
	But that'll easily get drained if you're having back-to-back breakdowns.
	And if your motor blows, you're done.
	You're going to be in the negative.
	And guess what people do?
	They skate.
	They leave.
	They don't even finish the lease purchase.
	They leave.
	Wow.
	Or they'll go back to being a company driver.
	That's what happens most of the time.
	It's a lot in this, bro.
	I mean, it's a lot.
	We could do 35 episodes on this, bro.
	Yeah, I could see where there's just so many pitfalls where you can literally mess up if you don't know what you're doing.
	That's why I said for the majority, man, you really can make money doing this, bro.
	But to be a owner-operator, to be someone that absolutely wants to make money in this thing, you have to put in the time.
	You've got to pick people's brains, and you can't be scared to ask questions.
	And I see why you said people need to company drive for a while.
	Yes, yes.
	Yo, don't want to mark her for J.M. Rand.
	This is some good content.
	If you learn all this knowledge, either you're going to go through it with experience and fail, or, I mean, you can learn this at school, right?
	No, you can't learn this at school.
	This is all things that you learn while you're out there.
	I've learned so many great lessons off of the failures that have come my way, and it's just not giving up.
	And you took all the L's so they could take W's.
	Shout out to you, man.
	And again, this is for y'all, guys.
	I mean, I absolutely love these dudes, but this is for you.
	Pause.
	Pause, yes.
	You know, bro, I love the content and everything, but this is for you guys, man.
	I'm doing this for y'all because I want y'all to be way better than me at this.
	If you're thinking about going into trucking, please just take your time.
	Think about if it's something that you really want to do.
	Because I promise you, I promise you, if you are successful with it, you are going to love it.
	And it's not even going to become a job anymore.
	It's just going to be something that you love to do.
	And I like traveling too, so that's why I did it.
	Yeah.
	That's really what I got into it.
	But I could see why it's not easy, man.
	It's definitely not easy.
	And there's so many different routes you can go, different disciplines you can go.
	But at the same time, there's a lot of pitfalls where you can literally mess yourself up.
	Yeah.
	I like when he said, it's not what's driving behind the wheel.
	It's way more to that because it is.
	Yeah.
	Especially transitioning from being a company driver over to owner-operator, getting your first truck, trying to find jobs, etc.
	I guess we could talk more about finding the jobs.
	I'll go ahead and read some of these chats real fast.
	This is Money Monday.
	What's more important than making money, keeping it?
	My friend just lost two contracts that would have brought him $360,000 a year all over a woman.
	Be careful, my friends.
	Yeah, man.
	Rigo Savage.
	Shout out to you, man.
	A hundred bucks.
	Car hauling is no joke.
	He is right on it with the money.
	It's insane.
	But so much more goes into it than you can ever realize.
	I'm an owner-operator.
	I own four 80-foot trucks in the car hauling industry.
	Always overweight, over height, over length.
	Very stressful industry.
	Because you've got to meet certain standards and requirements.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	As a truck driver, you have to be willing to be away from people you and you will lose people you love.
	Okay.
	So just to add to that point as well, he lost two wives doing trucking, my cousin.
	Wow.
	And it's hard because you're not home.
	So they're going to be bored.
	They're going to be like...
	It's just tough, man.
	Yeah, it is.
	My parents were married for almost 40 years.
	No, they were married for 40 years.
	They were together longer.
	My pop passed away a few years ago, but I appreciate you.
	And what happened was, you know, he was gone, but he was never gone for weeks at a time.
	He always made sure he was home in order to be able to raise us, take care of us, and do what he had to do and still be there for my mother.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And that's what I learned.
	I learned everything from him, man.
	Tough.
	All right.
	What else do we got here?
	Okay, you live in Florida thinking that you're going to drive local.
	You better be working out freaking Walmart, bro.
	That puts you all the way in Alabama.
	Yeah.
	Big Bills, Myron, y'all should have a BTS video type vlog where y'all are IRL like another cameraman filming a video.
	Show the Miami Nightlife girl supporters in the behind the scenes of the actual IRL. That would be fire to Nightlife IRL BTS videos a month.
	I think the cast club ninjas will like that.
	You can post it on YouTube.
	Rumble X has since X pays.
	What?
	I think we got a TTS real quick, too.
	Oh, TTS right here?
	- You're a Bulba?
	You're a Bubbly? - W Fresh Fit, question.
	I'm about to go to CDL school and I have a company lined up to drive for, but how much should I save up once I buy my first truck in case of mechanical breakdowns and how long did it take you to be profitable on your first truck? - Good question.
	Um, so, like I said, you should save up by anywhere from 10 to 20k.
	I know that little 10k is a stretch, but 10 to 20k at minimum.
	With his first truck.
	Yeah, with his first truck.
	Because 20k is going to cover a lot of expenses.
	A lot of expenses.
	So you should be very good with 20k.
	So this should have 20...
	After they buy their truck.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	And keep building on that too because you never know if that truck goes down and you decide.
	So don't buy a truck and then have no money after.
	Right.
	Please don't.
	You better have 20K after you buy the truck.
	Please do.
	That's the whole point.
	And to answer the second part of your question, it didn't take long for me to see a prop.
	I think it took me...
	Three, four weeks.
	And would you say that's because you earned your stripes driving company first?
	I did, but the thing about it is...
	But your dad obviously taught you as well, so you were able to kind of...
	But my customer, like the biggest customer I have, shout out to Freeman Industries, man.
	So I was leased onto a company.
	I was actually doing a lease purchase from a company.
	And what happened was I was basically hauling freight from Freeman Industries.
	So they said, when you get your own truck, let us know and we'll put you on right away.
	So I started creating all these connections with shippers and receivers.
	While you're working for the company.
	While I'm working for the company.
	W Networking.
	And I always tell people this.
	You are your own best advertisement.
	If you cannot advertise and market yourself, it's not going to be too many people that can because you know yourself better than anyone.
	Damn.
	All right.
	Alright.
	Actually, the guy making $400k a month, that's what he did.
	He used to start working for a company, but all connects that he made were in the company himself.
	Like, for example, the clients, the contracts he made himself, he said, hey, this is what I'm doing on the side as well.
	If you need any more help, let me know.
	That's why he grew up to be so big, so he could make contacts within the company.
	Yeah, that's how you do it, man.
	You have to network.
	You absolutely have to network.
	If you don't, especially in trucking, man, you meet so many people in trucking, you never know who you're going to meet, where that's going to be your million-dollar ticket right there.
	Bro, you should teach how to talk to people in the industry to make that connection for contracts, bro, because that's big.
	Yeah, it is.
	If you meet one good contract, you're selling.
	Yeah, you're good.
	And I'm on the verge of doing...
	For other contracts?
	Damn.
	That's why I need...
	I'm going to be hiring drivers, you know, because it's going to be way more freight than what I can do.
	Okay.
	We got here, Live Scene Gene says, What's up, FNF Crew?
	It's your favorite pharmacist.
	It was a pleasure meeting and turning up with you guys at the Yacht Party in April.
	Yes, shout out to you, Matt.
	Shout out to you, bro.
	I also met Jay at the Yacht Party as well, and we have been good friends ever since.
	Make him stay for After Hours, JB. Okay.
	So that's JB. He's a pharmacist.
	He does consultations as well.
	So that's who I was here with.
	He was one of the ones I was here with.
	He's in Miami right now?
	He just left today.
	I'm the last one here.
	We need to bring a pharmacist on.
	Because we actually, you know, we should bring him to talk about being a pharmacist.
	I told y'all, man, we're going to bring you guys.
	All types of people.
	All the guys that do expertise or career that's big, we should bring them on.
	Yeah.
	He's a young guy too, man.
	Young guy.
	You can make $100,000 plus as a pharmacist and you don't got to go through as much schooling.
	It's only about six years.
	You don't got to go to med school and all that bullshit.
	During COVID. You know what I'm saying?
	Part two.
	Derek says, what's up FNF? Long time supporter here.
	I'm 26.
	Truck driving for five years.
	Two of them being a regional company truck driver but had to quit to pursue civil engineering.
	Truck driving is not for the weak but it pays real good.
	Owner operation is the way to go.
	Okay.
	JBX says, I've been driving for five years.
	I have all my endorsements that make around $96,000 a year.
	Do the owner operators make significantly more?
	What advice would you give for beginners in that?
	Okay.
	So, you've been driving for five years.
	I have endorsements that make around $96,000 a year.
	That's actually pretty good.
	That means he's a company driver, right?
	Yeah, but if he's making that a year, man, and he's doing that in company driving, that's darn good.
	Because...
	Having the headaches of being an owner-operator, bro, those are headaches that a lot of people cannot deal with.
	And it will make you hate trucking if you absolutely don't love it.
	It will make you absolutely hate it.
	But you seem like you have the experience, bro.
	So, my advice to you would be, get a truck that's going to be worth it, and do you plan on, my question is, do you plan on leasing on, or do you plan on, you know, actually going under your own authority for yourself?
	That would be my question to him, before I could actually answer that question.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Alright.
	Selfmade Forever driver, please explain to people why it's important for cars drivers to get up to speed coming into the highway.
	Also explain why it's important to stop cutting truck drivers off to make sure to make their turn.
	Explain things car drivers need to stop doing on truckers.
	Car drivers need to stop doing nonsense like that because we have an air brake system.
	It takes longer for air brakes to actually break the truck.
	And mind you, this is 80,000 pounds.
	So it takes way longer for us to break than it does for a car.
	And this is where self-awareness comes into play.
	If you don't have any self-awareness as a person that drives a car and you're in front of a truck and you're stopping, suddenly it's just like...
	Yeah, what are you doing?
	A great man once said, F run and find out.
	Literally.
	Yeah, F run and find out.
	That is not a joke, bro.
	If you want to see an early grave, there you go.
	Imagine getting hit by a truck, bro.
	Not good, bro.
	Done for.
	If you want to make local money, local driving trucks just not in Florida, that's from Zoe.
	And then Zoe again says, I live in Florida.
	I try driving local.
	Every job is offering $600, $700 a week.
	Bullshit.
	That's why I'm OTR. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
	I mean, on the road, I think Yeah, there are a lot of companies that aren't offering that.
	And this is why, for example, companies like Pepsi, Coke, Cisco, thank you, sir.
	Yeah, man, they make the money and they're home every day.
	They make good money, like Pepsi, Coke.
	Cisco is a big one, though.
	Yes, absolutely.
	I'm always on the road to see Cisco trucks everywhere.
	Yeah, and their home...
	Oh, Publix is another one, too.
	Okay, okay.
	Publix is another one.
	Another, like, fresh out with little to no experience.
	Well, you have to have...
	For them, I think it's one year experience.
	One, one and a half years of experience.
	Okay.
	But...
	That, I promise y'all, that first year goes by so fast.
	It goes by so fast.
	They got crazy benefits for employees, Publix?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	Crazy benefits.
	They get paid well, too.
	And then when you really get into it, two years of experience with no accidents or anything, that's another thing.
	Keep your records clean, man.
	Anything you do in your car, it will affect your record for your license.
	Wow!
	You have one license.
	You don't have two separate licenses when you have a CDL. You have one license.
	So whatever you do in a car, it's almost like you're doing it in a truck.
	So if I got a DUI... Oh, you're done.
	You're done.
	Wow.
	You're done.
	Imagine you've got a great career in trucking.
	You get drunk with some friends one weekend.
	Get a DUI. You're screwed.
	Yeah, you're done.
	Damn.
	DUI is a life killer.
	Holy.
	It's over.
	You shouldn't even be drinking at all if you're a truck driver, to be honest with you.
	At all.
	You shouldn't be doing anything that's drug-related at all, period.
	That's going to influence you in any way.
	Don't do it.
	Yeah.
	Do not do it.
	Okay.
	Good to know.
	And then the random drug testing comes up too.
	I just had one two weeks ago.
	Yeah, even if you're an owner-operator.
	They'll send it right to the company.
	It came right to me.
	It was like, if you don't respond to that, they will revoke your license and they will, well, they'll revoke your business license.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They not play, huh?
	Yeah, bro.
	Makes sense.
	Professional truck driver.
	Yeah, the FMCSA does not play games.
	Okay.
	They don't play.
	A million miles isn't anything fresh.
	Diesel runs colder.
	That is why it lasts longer than a gas car.
	All right?
	Cool.
	Listen, guys, I'm currently driving for a company on the road, but I have a friend.
	He purchased a truck with 800,000 miles on it.
	He's making $7,000 to $8,000 every week right now.
	Shout out to that.
	Yeah, that's good.
	We got PSIG. As you guys can see here, man, we're reading the chats mostly from Cats Club because that's the community, guys.
	Jump in Cats Club.
	Catsclub.tv, man.
	Get in there.
	We're having, like I said, we're creating groups all over the place, chapters all over the country.
	Actually, Jay might end up, because he's closest to Birmingham, we might have him run Birmingham, Alabama.
	So for all you guys out there in Alabama, we'll have somebody out there for y'all.
	I think what we should do for some of the meetups, bring some of the guys like Jay.
	Yeah, of course.
	Experts in, for example, their field of Endeavor.
	Have them talk to the guys as well for the free meetup.
	Yeah, we got another trucker expert out of Seattle as well.
	So you could probably talk more about the Pacific West Coast, whereas Jay specializes down here in the East.
	They make money out there.
	And guys, without like 8K watching in total...
	Like the video, man.
	Yeah, like the video.
	Rumble and YouTube.
	Okay, what are good alternatives if you don't want to go on the road?
	I'm currently making 30 an hour, delivering drywall, driving a boom truck with a trailer, so I'm using my CDLA, and I have an NCCO ABL license, but currently everywhere I look, 30,000 hours around the cab, I have a good driving record.
	I'm currently number three driver in my region.
	Oh, wow.
	So basically, dude, just get your own truck, bro.
	At that point?
	Get your own truck.
	If you don't want to cap on yourself, please get your own truck.
	And if you're doing all that, man, and you, I mean, bro, yeah, just get your own truck.
	It's just going to be so much more lucrative for you to make the money that you want to make.
	You'll hit six figures in no time.
	All right.
	What's up next here?
	The Chief here, currently have eight months experience in growing hook and drop for FedEx right now.
	I have my doubles slash triples in hazmat.
	Going to get my tankers next and going to be applying to get my TWIC card so I can go through a military base and port down in Texas.
	Would like to get a business and getting government contracts.
	Guys, get into trucking and making good money right now.
	That's from Chief Rocca.
	Okay, car hauling is no joke.
	He's right on it with the money.
	It's insane.
	But so much more goes into it you can never realize.
	Then you can never realize.
	I'm an owner-operator and owner for...
	Oh, no, I read this before.
	You've read that one already.
	Yeah.
	Big Things with Juan.
	Jay is one of the most humble, outgoing dudes.
	Don't let him handbag his success.
	WFNW Brotherhood.
	Join Castle Club Ninja.
	See y'all on the yacht.
	Yeah.
	Shout out to Money Mitch, man.
	Shout out to y'all.
	He was here, too.
	He was here too.
	We got here.
	It's Peru from the Zoom call about the trucking company.
	Got my two parents in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
	They got a trucking LLC looking if you do consultations.
	I'm trying to help them out.
	Yes, on Instagram, right?
	I will.
	How can I find you?
	So just type in big, B-I-G, Tings, T-I-N-G-S-A, then G-W-A-N-N. Can we bring this page up on the screen for them as well?
	What else do we got here?
	And then, guys, we're probably going to end it after these questions because we've got Donovan in the house and we've got to do the second interview.
	And then, obviously, we've got to have to ask that.
	I'm going to try to squeeze in a Zoom call in between if we can.
	But, yeah.
	I sustained a work injury back in April and had surgery for it last week.
	I decided once I'm clear I can go back to work, it was time to make the switch to go CDL school.
	I applied today for a pre-hire and was approved.
	We have an hour later, you guys made this stream announced with WFNFW guests.
	I got you, bro.
	And then what we'll probably do is we'll bring Jay back and we'll cover the whole owner-operator side.
	Because we didn't get to cover that as much as I wanted.
	We got you, guys, up to the point where you buy your truck.
	But then now we've got to talk about finding contracts, routes to take, where to work, where not to work, etc.
	That's a whole other episode.
	I can clearly see that.
	Yo, my iron, could you post a one-on-one episode with Chess Brown and Cows Club?
	It was free.
	I got you.
	We'll get that up for you guys.
	Can we get it for him by tomorrow?
	Because this is like the third time they've asked for that episode.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	WBigTwings, he's a solid dude, but he's got 23 children and 20 baby mamas.
	Real bad man.
	Okay.
	He was here, too.
	He left Sunday.
	Left last Sunday.
	Going to start a brokerage with a friend.
	What exactly should I have in place before starting and what mistakes should one avoid making?
	Hey, he took my name.
	Going to start a brokerage with a friend.
	What exactly should I have in place?
	First off, you have to have the clients in place first.
	When you're doing brokering, you have to have the clients in place first.
	You have to be able to Know how to be competitive, but not be too cheap.
	The problem is, is that when this freight, like people will take freight, like they'll just, remember when they were saying, oh, we need all these truck drivers and stuff.
	Remember when they were saying all that?
	They were like pushing everyone to do truck driving.
	Do you know why they were doing that?
	What?
	To drive the price of the rates down.
	So you have people that were fly-by-night businesses coming in saying, oh, you're doing that for $3 a mile?
	Oh, I'll do it for $150 a mile.
	So what happens?
	Now they expect everyone to do it for $150 a mile.
	So then when they can't have the freight moved, they have no choice but to build it back up, but it's never going to be that $3 again.
	It'll be somewhere in the middle at that point.
	Yeah, so just make sure you have the contacts and that you're very competitive with your rates.
	That's it.
	Okay, there is several ways to get into the industry with Rath.
	Guys, please spell check your stuff, man, before you guys send it in because I can't be reading what the hell y'all be writing sometimes, man.
	Your driver, operator, fleet owner, dispatcher, and broker, it's always good to know what it's like in the truck, but the easiest way to make money now is to learn a bit is dispatching.
	That's all in the world, I'm guessing, right?
	Dispatching?
	Yeah, and again, I was a dispatcher.
	Dispatching, oh my gosh.
	Dispatching is more of a headache than actual driving.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, bro.
	Because some of these truck drivers out here, they get mad at you for everything.
	So that's why I'm always kind and polite to people that I come in contact with that may be brokering a load for me or that may be a dispatcher or something like that because they are absolutely...
	Like, it's more of a headache, but sometimes they don't do their job either.
	Like, they drop the ball on so many things.
	It's because they're too busy.
	Gotcha.
	So sometimes they'll forget that you're even out there.
	You gotta call 20 times, oh, I'm about to do that right now.
	No, do it while I'm on the phone.
	Gotcha.
	Do it while I'm on the phone.
	That way you can...
	But when you're talking about dispatching, he's talking about people that work for, like, a company.
	Gotcha.
	Dispatching.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What else do we got here?
	Don't ever start as an owner-operator.
	Never.
	Okay.
	Never starts to own an operator.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you, sir.
	I'm an independent contractor.
	This is from...
	Oh, there we go.
	Chesney Pack Trucker.
	They still handle all the maintenance diesel loads.
	I do write-offs.
	Wife has all of the health benefits.
	As a pharmacist, I bring home more money than her.
	She's an independent contractor.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we were just talking about him.
	Yeah.
	Anybody else?
	As a 12-year driver, trucking isn't worth it anymore.
	Too many restrictions and low pay.
	Eh, I guess it depends on what you're doing.
	Debatable, right?
	Yeah.
	The industry is very saturated in this time.
	There's more trucks than freight.
	Most guys are fighting for scraps.
	You can still make it work if your numbers are good and you have some sort of niche.
	Is that true?
	That's absolutely true.
	Okay.
	That's absolutely true.
	That's why I said this has to be...
	They did that on purpose.
	To drive down the cost?
	To drive down the cost.
	And that's why there are so many guys getting out of it.
	But I figured this was the best time to get in it.
	The best time because everyone was getting out of it.
	And I already had my niche figured out.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So you think it's best to find a niche?
	When you're getting into it?
	It is, but again, you'd be better off just starting out.
	100% would be better off just going with a company, getting that experience, learning how to manage your money, and things of that nature.
	So it's saturated from the owner-operator perspective.
	Not from the company perspective.
	So if it's a big company, no.
	I mean, you're not going to be scraping for freight.
	From an owner-operator perspective, yes, it's saturated, but there are a lot of guys leaving.
	So how saturated is it going to be in the next couple of years?
	I think that's the importance of being...
	I just see so many benefits.
	Now I see what you mean when you said be a company driver first.
	Be a company driver first.
	Okay.
	Bro, stop.
	Cap, the trucking industry is over-regulated and freight rates are garbage.
	Stop planting a fancy picture for people.
	I got 24 years in trucking.
	You got anything you want to say to this dude?
	See the bullshit we do it, bro?
	So I started this whole thing off saying...
	It's not easy.
	It's not easy.
	He mentioned that.
	I never, ever presented any type of fantasy anything.
	I didn't even tell y'all how much I make.
	So you can't say that I'm presenting this thing where...
	Oh my gosh, it's the best thing in the world.
	I said it's a headache.
	I said I wanted to give up plenty of times, but I'm not giving up because it's my passion.
	And it's not a job for me.
	But what I'm doing, I'm going to be creating jobs for more people that are already on a rock bar.
	That way they can eat the same way I'm doing.
	Well said.
	All right.
	Got my CD on March after the Thor podcast.
	I think all these chats are basically, all it basically confirmed for me is like, you got to start as a company driver first, especially now.
	Especially now.
	Spent $6,500 total on my school in Michigan, so take his advice and try to get it for free if you can.
	Okay, this is for the, okay, so he spent $6,000 total for $6,500 for it.
	Damn, that's expensive, huh?
	Would you say that's expensive for a target school, or is that the average, you would say?
	He said he spent $6,500 in total for a school in Michigan.
	That's expensive.
	That is a little over...
	That's expensive, but they only used to be $3,000.
	I would have to ask him the question, how long was he in school for?
	And he better not say four to six weeks, because that is bull crap.
	Can you tell us how much you were in school for, bro?
	He probably was there for six months or some shit.
	And he works for Central Transport, bro.
	I hope you're at a good Central Transport where they have good equipment, because God dang, their equipment is trash.
	Okay.
	I'm not working on this.
	Okay.
	With one truck, I made $290K, running only nine months out of the year.
	Freighter Coronado and or Columbia is a good glider truck to start with.
	Detroit 60 Series is the best motor in my opinion.
	My favorite motor, hands down, because you can rebuild it and overbuild it for about $10K. All right.
	I mean, the best motor, hands down.
	And that right there, him saying he made $290K with one truck is very doable.
	Nice.
	It's very doable.
	Alright.
	Valuable information here.
	I've been thinking about leaving my profession as a registered nurse and getting my class A CD out to become a trucker because I'm an introvert and I'm not a people person like that anymore.
	Uncle Luke.
	Uncle Luke.
	Coming in.
	Alright.
	Anything else?
	No, I do not see anything else.
	Alright, cool.
	So guys, we're going to end it there.
	We went over, you know, a lot.
	How long did we go for?
	Like an hour and a half?
	Hour 49.
	Hour 49.
	Give you a lot of sauce, guys, on how to get started in trucking, how to get your CDL, the many routes to fund your CDL, what school is like, how to get started with a company, how to become a company driver, what companies to work for, how much is it going to cost you, how much you should save up to get your first truck, etc.
	The next episode, I think, is going to be all owner-operator, the more entrepreneurial side, because I think we covered everything as far as a beginner truck driver needs to know, correct?
	Yeah, we covered the first steps.
	And those are baby steps.
	Okay.
	There's still a lot.
	Especially, I'm assuming, with the entrepreneurial side.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	We've got one more chat here as well.
	Okay.
	Michael Lee says, WFNF, WBigTings, Iguan.
	Jay is one of the smartest, most humble dudes.
	Don't let him bag success.
	We'll see you in July on the Yacht Party.
	The last one was good.
	Get in Castle Club Ninjas, W Brotherhood.
	Shout out to you, Michael Lee.
	We got guys like Jay in there, man.
	Jay's a part of Castle Club, man.
	And we're gonna be bringing in more guys like this, guys.
	We're, you know, in different professions because my goal here, bro, not all y'all are cut out to be entrepreneurs.
	Not all you guys are cut out to be influencers or whatever.
	Let's live in reality here.
	Not like little Yachty's dumbass.
	He said in an interview, well, you can just make money on the internet.
	Not everybody's going to make money on the internet, bro.
	The reality is you guys got to have a skill set.
	We're going to bring guys in to have different skill sets to teach you guys how to make money in today's day and age.
	And the mentor knows what he's doing, too.
	Absolutely.
	Bro, can I say something real fast?
	Everyone's goal is to be a millionaire.
	That's everyone's goal.
	But...
	People have to be realistic as well.
	How do you get there?
	The problem is a lot of people don't know how to get there.
	So you have to find something, you know, and that's why so many people hate, that's why so many people are upset at certain people's talents and gifts because they haven't honed in on their own talents and gifts and learned how to monopolize on it.
	This was bestowed to me from my father, so I absolutely have honed in on this and All I'm going to say is next year is going to be crazy.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	It's going to be absolutely insane.
	And just be realistic with yourself, guys.
	What is it that you want in your lives, man?
	Expand your mindset.
	Please work out.
	And please do not ever, ever say that you can't do anything because the sky's the limit if you put your mind to it.
	Do everything with all your might.
	Everything with all your might.
	Well said.
	JJ, aka BigThingZiguan.
	Bring his Instagram, please, if you don't mind.
	Any last words?
	That was it.
	I just want to give a shout-out to my family.
	Give a shout-out to everybody that's watching.
	Whether you had something negative to say or whether you did.
	Shout-out to y'all.
	Shout-out to...
	Mitch, who donated.
	My boy AG, my cousin Julius.
	All my other cousins.
	Shout out to them.
	Shout out to the pharmacist, JB. He's very good at what he does.
	Very, very good at what he does.
	And shout out to my boy Chris.
	He's Jamaican that was there on the yacht as well.
	Boom!
	So you guys, y'all absolutely did a great thing when y'all did that meet and greet because I met so many solid people, man.
	And now we're all putting our minds together to network to try to make money.
	So I really appreciate you guys for that, man.
	Please get in the Castle Club.
	Yeah, go check him out, guys.
	Get in the Castle Club, guys.
	Get in there and meet guys like Jay.
	There's an Instagram there if you guys want to go ahead and DM him.
	We're going to bring you back and talk about the entrepreneurial side.
	Yes.
	We're going to owner-operator route because that's going to be its own episode.
	Absolutely.
	And, yeah, Jay, thank you so much for coming on the pod, guys.
	We'll be back here.
	We'll be back here in a second.
	He's here in the studio, man.
	Thank you for coming, bro.
	Thank you, bro.
	That was a master class at trucking.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Get your guys a foot in the door.
	We'll be back here in about five minutes, guys.
	Love you guys.
	Peace.

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