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April 1, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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TK Kirkland Meets Fresh&Fit!

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	I'm excited for this one.
	Let's get into it!
	Let's go.
	We're back.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Freshman Podcast, man.
	We are here with TK Kirkland.
	Quick announcement against the show, guys.
	Rumble.com slash FreshmanCastleClub.tv.
	As you guys know, we got a live show April 26th, which actually I was just talking with TK about it.
	There's a very good chance he's going to be there, guys.
	So y'all better get your goddamn tickets right now.
	Let's see.
	We're bringing up a couple of guests, girls for you guys live in the show.
	We're going to be there, meet and greet, photos, everything.
	Yes.
	Stay tuned for it.
	So make sure to come in, guys.
	The tickets are affordable.
	It's April 26th.
	There's going to be a live event right here in Miami.
	TK will be there.
	We'll have Andrew Wilson there.
	We're going to bring a bunch of other people there as well.
	And TK, you're also doing a tour right now as we speak, right?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Catch me if you can.
	Okay.
	And I'm excited.
	It kicks off April 12th, 13th, and 14th in Philadelphia, and I just want everybody to come through and see what all the fuss is about, about being a stand-up comedian in this game.
	Yeah.
	And you've been in the game for a very long time.
	Legend.
	You're definitely one of the most requested guests that we've gotten, people saying, hey, you need to bring TK on.
	We've been working on getting him on for you guys for a few months now, and he's finally here, so I'm excited.
	Yes, for a few months.
	We really are.
	Yeah.
	So, TK, we know who you are, but the audience might not.
	Can you introduce yourself real quick to the people?
	Yes, my name is TK Kirkland, better known as T to the motherfucking K. Started out with one of the most legendary stand-up groups in the world.
	It was the late Eazy-E, Dr.
	Dre, and Ice Cube.
	Eazy-E saw me perform, and the rest is history.
	And from that moment on, it's been such a rollercoaster ride.
	It's really been amazing.
	From NWA, I met with...
	Jay-Z, and then from Jay-Z to Cash 20 Millionaires, and from the Cash 20 Millionaires, did Timberland's first album.
	From Timberland's first album, I did a guy named Lloyd, Play a Diary's album.
	Yeah, Lloyd from Murder, Inc.
	That's dope.
	Then I went on tour with Ludacris for a while.
	Yeah, that's my man.
	Did a lot of things with my man, Luke, down here in Miami.
	Uncle Luke.
	Yeah, if you look at one of his albums, I wrote a skit for him, and it was called Pussyologist.
	Two levels higher than the gynecologist.
	So he still talks to me about that to this day.
	So, you know, I did my thing in the music industry and also did my thing in stand-up comedy, and it's like I'm being reborn in a sense because...
	You, Vlad, and all you young kids who have started the podcast game.
	Because like I said, I've been around a long time.
	So all we had was David Letterman, Arsenio Hall.
	Howard Stern.
	Yeah, Howard Stern.
	Jay Leno.
	And you had to have an agent or knew somebody that knew those people.
	But I was always independent.
	So I didn't have those connections.
	I had the connections to the streets.
	So anything that was street-oriented, I was able to get connected.
	Tore with Teddy Riley and Guy and then from...
	Touring with the Rough Riders and meeting my man as the manager of EVE, I was able to meet Gwen Stefani.
	Oh, shit.
	So if you ever watched Blow Your Mind, the video, look at it again, right?
	You're in there?
	I'm playing the piano with a tux on it.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, I'm playing the piano.
	Okay.
	And then, you know, I do the stuff with 50 Cent, you ever see Window Shopper?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm the guy with the red hat, pushing the little car.
	Oh.
	And Window Shopper over in Monaco, Spain.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Details, man.
	Yeah, so I did all that.
	Then I wound up doing...
	The movie Baller Blockin' with the cast 20 Minutes when Lil Wayne was a baby.
	He's like 16 years old.
	Juvenile, toured with them.
	Matter of fact, shout out to Baby and my man C. We working on something real big.
	Music-wise or comedy-wise?
	Because you're in all realms of entertainment.
	It's going to be music.
	It's going to be comedy.
	We've been working on it now for a few months.
	Matter of fact, I got to talk to Baby and his crew right before we came.
	He didn't even know I was in Miami.
	They're in California.
	And shout out to Baby.
	When we dropped this...
	It changes the world.
	Yeah, it's a game changer.
	Out of everyone you've met, let's give two examples here.
	One in the industry, one in the comedy industry.
	Who was most impactful to your career, you would say?
	I think everybody.
	You know, that's why I started this thing called Who Raged You, right?
	A couple years ago.
	Who Raged You was really because the women I was dating, I felt like they were unprepared to be in the world.
	Right?
	That's a nice way of putting it.
	That's the nicest way I've ever heard a guy putting it together that, yo, this girl's a fucking whore.
	This is wisdom.
	Who raised you?
	Because a man, this is my definition, your children should not be sent into the world unless they were prepared to...
	Take care of their life and move like women and move like men.
	So I actually said to the young lady, I'm like, who raised you?
	Because I need to meet your mother and father because she was so beautiful.
	And I hate to see that we have so many beautiful women on this planet that are not properly prepared for life.
	You know, let me ask you this.
	And I'll ask this, but then I have so many questions about the entertainment stuff.
	You've been in the entertainment game for 40 years now, right?
	You're an OG. You're 60...
	64.
	64, right, guys?
	Yes, he is 64, guys.
	So you've been around for a while.
	You could be my dad, bro.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	But he's in good shape, takes care of himself, so you guys can look like this too at 64.
	Yeah, you can definitely pass in your 30s or 40s.
	So my question is...
	Obviously, you've been around for a bit.
	What is the biggest change that you've seen from back when you were in your teens to modern women today?
	What's the biggest societal trend that you've seen change?
	That's an interesting question.
	When I was growing up, the women were more natural.
	They actually ironed their hair.
	Their hair was like real hair.
	There was no such thing as weeds.
	There was no such thing as truly eyelashes.
	Your grandmother wore wigs.
	Oh.
	Back in the day.
	You know?
	The women who was going up didn't wear wigs.
	Gotcha.
	And they were happy with their own bodies.
	There's nothing to say anything's wrong with a female wanting to do something with a breast, wanting to do something with a body.
	I just think that it's not...
	Worth the risk to die.
	Yeah.
	To change something.
	To alter something.
	Because you see, they don't show you the pain that these girls go through.
	They don't.
	Afterwards.
	Yeah.
	You just see the end result, right?
	They go through so much pain.
	BBLs are like the most risky surgeries we can do.
	They can't sit down.
	Yeah, they can't sit down.
	I'm trying to be very knowledgeable.
	There's veins underneath...
	The bottom of your ass.
	That if the doctor cuts that the wrong way and hits the wrong vein, there's nothing he can do.
	You're dead.
	Wow.
	And they don't share that with the women.
	Oh, wow.
	And these type of things happen.
	When women go out to Dominican Republic and they're in the safe houses, they're helpless.
	Do you know the gangs come in there and rob the women, take their money because they're helpless.
	They can't do nothing.
	Oh.
	So they come in there and rob them.
	They got to call Western people, send them money, Western Union passport to get them out of there.
	And I mean, for what?
	Because we live in the era that research hasn't been done that much, right?
	The women who've gotten these BBLs, these surgeries...
	We don't have long-term stuff.
	We don't know how it's going to come out.
	We don't know what's going to happen in 40 years.
	Yeah, you're right.
	So you're going to have women with these old faces...
	And ass dropping off...
	No, body's still looking like they're young, but we don't know the effect on how it's going to affect you.
	And I just don't think it's worth it.
	Just me.
	And here's the thing.
	I'm half your age, right?
	I'm 34.
	And even for me, I remember just a decade ago, having plastic surgery was frowned upon.
	Like, oh, what the hell?
	Now it's like, if you have plastic surgery, it's almost like you don't have plastic surgery?
	What's wrong with you?
	Here's the thing that happened the other day.
	I travel so much.
	I'm sitting in the airport and I'm watching the women walk by with the fake booties, eyelashes.
	Now, most women think you're checking them out because they think they're fine.
	When I look at a woman that got the fake butt and eyelashes, I'm looking at you like an antique model car because it's starting to play out.
	You're starting to look like an old Lamborghini.
	You're starting to look like an old Rose Voice.
	Like, when you first saw them, They were amazing, right?
	But when you see them now, and the misconception in the world today is that women think that men like that.
	You'll talk to a girl, you motherfuckers like them fake asses and fake titties, but they don't know because nobody's projecting onto the universe that, no, we really like natural women.
	Yeah.
	And as you guys get older, the thing that's so important is it's not about the bodies no more, right?
	It's the character of the woman, character of the man, because the surface of a woman could be drop-dead gorgeous, but are you prepared for life?
	After a while, yeah.
	Do you have a job?
	Are you an asset to society?
	And what have you accomplished?
	No.
	It's a lot of women.
	I know we're doing a panel thing after this.
	My take is going to be a lot of women coming on there who don't have their lives together.
	It's going to be a possibility.
	Somebody might get mad at me because I'm going to talk in a mature way that you should have your life together.
	And if you don't have your life together, I might have to hurt your feelings because it's serious out there.
	And I'd rather intimidate a person to inspire them.
	I'd rather bring something to your attention to make you say, you know what, he's right.
	Let me try to get my life together.
	Because one of the worst things in the world, and I'll tell you gentlemen, is you don't want to grow old and be broke in this world today.
	Because the world is cruel to old people.
	That's true.
	You were going to say something.
	Resting homes as well.
	So you mentioned the dangers of getting BBLs and surgery.
	We saw an entertainer, actually in the comedic role as well, this young fly.
	Yes.
	His girl, but she passed away and left kids behind after surgery.
	Yeah.
	That was tragic.
	Yeah, that's tragic.
	And it happens.
	Yes, it happens.
	But we don't see enough where it is highlighted where, hey, listen, this can happen to you if you get surgery.
	You could pass away.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it needs to be talked about.
	Kanye's mom?
	Yeah, Kanye's mom.
	That's very important.
	I just pulled a post up, I think, today.
	I want to talk about sex and love, right?
	Sex makes babies, not love.
	And when you have just sex, a woman wants a man to be a father to the child, but psychologically it's already...
	It's complicated because when you just meet someone with a one-night stand, we're both at fault.
	I didn't have a condom on.
	You got pregnant.
	The universe was saying you was ovulating at the same time, and all these bad things happen.
	Sometimes you get great results.
	You have a beautiful child and stuff.
	But what we want to put into the universe is to get people to stop doing that because it's a mental...
	Torture to a man to raise a child that he didn't really put love into his mother.
	I never met your mom.
	I never met your dad.
	Don't know nothing about you.
	We went out.
	I saw you.
	Because on this particular night, you had the best outfit on that you ever had in your closet.
	So you had the jeans on.
	Your titties was out.
	And I'm thinking I'm going to play.
	I'm buying drinks.
	Get that.
	Get that.
	We go to the flyer spot.
	Got the bad bins.
	You know, you're laying back.
	And I go in there being irresponsible, you know?
	And I just want men to know who go out there and do the situations to please start really being considered who will be the mother of your child.
	Wow.
	You know what I mean?
	And ladies, be careful who's going to be the man of your children.
	It would save so much pain as we move forward through life.
	That's just me.
	I do want to say, so real quick, because I was going to ask you about, you've been in the game for 40 years, but prior to that, where'd you grow up?
	Tell us your origin story.
	Yeah, I grew up in Jersey City, New Jersey.
	I was a track star, so I ran track.
	Track led me to see a lot of great people.
	In high school or college?
	In high school.
	And college as well.
	I met Bill Cosby because I won the Melrose Games in Madison Square Garden in 1979.
	It's a big event in track and field.
	If you get a chance, Google Melrose Games.
	I won that.
	I met Bill Cosby.
	Then when I got to college, I met a great...
	You graduated in 1979?
	Graduated in 1979.
	In high school.
	And when I came up in high school, at that time...
	My state was the hottest track circuit in the world.
	We had this kid named Ronaldo Skeets Nehemiah.
	We had another young man named Carl Lewis.
	All of us ran track every week, every Saturday together.
	So people from all over the world would fly to come see us run.
	And, I mean, we were some bad boys.
	I got a question.
	What was it like living in the 70s?
	I do a lot of true crime, right?
	And there's a reason why I'm going.
	So I do a lot of, I have another YouTube channel called FedRex where I do criminal cases and everything.
	We're going to talk about Diddy.
	Don't worry guys, we're going to get into that.
	But the more and more I look at it, the mafia, all the top serial killers, whether it's Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, the Golden State Killer.
	Like, all these guys were running rampant in the 70s.
	Absolutely.
	So true.
	And inflation was high.
	So, like, what was it like living in the 70s?
	Was it a dark time?
	I mean, we had Jimmy Carter in office.
	I think Nixon was president for a bit as well.
	Like, what was it like that decade?
	Obviously, disco music was a thing.
	Crack is going to make its way into the United States soon.
	Like, what was it like that decade?
	Thank God.
	I had track and feel.
	My world was unique in a sense.
	Okay.
	And the reason why I say that, because my dad died when I was 14.
	So it wasn't like I had a father, but I had sports.
	Okay.
	But I also was trying to dabble in the streets of life, right?
	Okay.
	You know, you see the hustlers.
	Back in my day, when you saw young men hanging on the corner, for some reason, people are drawn to negativity.
	People are drawn to Thinking that being street is one of the greatest things to be, but it's really the opposite.
	The greatest thing is to be the most corniest person on the planet with a lot of money but have a lot of swag.
	Push a minivan and have a credit card and travel the world and be a good person.
	That's me all day, man.
	And we have to push that more in life because the 70s is about hustling, right?
	People selling crack cocaine.
	People was trying to make it because it was really bad for the black man.
	That decade was crazy for crime, man, in the 70s.
	When you look back.
	Huge.
	But you saw the world changing.
	You saw the DAs and the mayors coming down on crime.
	But then as you get older and you get knowledge, and you see that it's all BS, right?
	Because even though they're fighting crime, the government is saying people are bringing the drugs in.
	So they try to confuse you and try to make you think they're doing the right thing, but they're the ones that are bringing the drugs in the game.
	The thing that people have to understand, I talk about this in my stand-up, is that the government pimps the state, the state pimps the city, the city pimps the people.
	And who is making decisions to better your life?
	And they don't know what they're doing.
	I mean, we live in a world now that in order to make it if you're homeless, you have to really go out of the country to become a Mexican or a migrant to come back in as a migrant through the border in order to get a decent living, to get a place to live, to get shelter, because they're giving these people so much money.
	Oh, because they're giving them free housing.
	I see what you mean.
	You're better off being an illegal alien.
	You better be an illegal alien to come back than to be here.
	We don't take care of our own.
	And that's crazy to me.
	And even back in the 70s, they didn't take care of their own.
	And that's what we have wrong in this country.
	Inflation was crazy too, right?
	Inflation was crazy.
	Back then?
	But...
	Somebody needs to come up with, not a hiring freeze, a payment freeze on rent, cars, for people to survive.
	I'm not that old, but I read, so here's a story.
	In the 50s, you can get a four-bedroom home, two-car garage, for $4,959.
	Where?
	Your mortgage is $49 a month.
	What was this at?
	This is the whole country.
	Wow.
	The average home cost that much in the 1950s?
	Houses wasn't no $300,000, $400,000.
	This happens after the 70s and prices of homes start going up.
	What's happening right now is so insane that who the hell is going to be able to survive?
	Your kids, our kids.
	Let me ask you this.
	It's going to be hard for them to survive in 20, 30 years.
	Inflation was crazy back in the 70s.
	Did people have a better cost of living and standard of life back then than they do now?
	We understood morals.
	We understood how to work, but we still was making maybe $2, $3,000 an hour.
	I was around when gas was 95 cents.
	So even though inflation was worse back then, they were able to still afford shit versus now people can't afford anything.
	It still was bad because even though wages was low, things still was growing.
	It was getting higher.
	Is it better than today?
	Would you say that decade is better than now?
	No.
	I think things are better now.
	I think things are better now because I'm successful.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'm not struggling, but I had to put a lot of work in.
	I went through a lot of trials and errors in life, and I work hard every day to become a great man.
	My whole thing in existence for the rest of my life till the day I die is to be a great man.
	How many kids do you have, bro?
	I have seven children.
	Seven children?
	Yeah.
	What does it mean to be a father, you would say?
	Well, I'm not your traditional dad, because for my children, it was one-night stands.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, I don't know if that was luck or bad luck.
	Or the dick game was just that cold.
	Yeah.
	Because sometimes your dick go way up the air.
	It's another story.
	Pullo game week.
	So, you know, when you have one-night stands, you just...
	I tell my kids, listen, you mean your mom fucked?
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm not your tradition.
	You ain't going to see me flipping motherfucking burgers and all that kind of shit.
	I ain't that type of nigga.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But we cool, though, you know?
	And that's all you can be.
	But my daughters, everybody grew up to be really, really doing well.
	My oldest daughter's a brain surgeon.
	And I have a couple of relationships.
	Brain surgeons.
	Yeah, my oldest daughter's a brain surgeon out of the University of Houston.
	That's dope.
	My daughter is graduating from...
	So all the baby mamas?
	All the baby mamas.
	We're respectful.
	Is it seven moms?
	Yeah, seven moms.
	Oh, different.
	Oh, wow.
	And I believe in that.
	I don't believe in one woman.
	I think that's one of the most selfish fucking things in the world.
	W! To have one baby mama.
	One girl, yeah.
	You know, like, I mean, there's so many beautiful wobbies that selfish.
	I agree with you.
	I'm teasing to the people who might be out there tripping.
	You gotta be A-Con, though.
	Akon, yeah.
	He got a lot.
	Yeah, Akon is my guy.
	As a matter of fact, me and Akon was together not too long ago in Vegas.
	You know, I was in this room.
	You know, I was in this room.
	Not that anything was going on, but we was trying to...
	With the Diddy stuff going on, people might think something crazy.
	Yeah, you got to say it in real.
	Yeah, you got to clarify.
	We had a meeting, you know, and we're going to do something overseas.
	So, shout out to Akon.
	You know, and I have my hand involved with a lot of stuff.
	I love that, you know?
	And to talk about Puff, like...
	When I met Puff years ago, I met him through a young lady named Lenote Blacknor.
	You know how I know that you've known her for a long time?
	You call him Puff?
	Yeah.
	The only people that met him in the 90s call him by that.
	Yeah, and I remember me and Puff being at the party.
	This is when Def Jam was doing their thing, and for all the young people to know, tell you, me and Puff said, T, I want you to host my Bad Boy of Comedy thing that was going to come out on HBO. What year is this?
	This is in the 90s.
	90s?
	Yeah, this is in the 90s.
	Is Biggie still alive at this point?
	Biggie's still alive.
	Oh, wow!
	So he's like 96, 97.
	Damn!
	And what's crazy about Biggie, I was with Biggie the day he died...
	Really?
	And I was with Tupac the day he died.
	What?
	Yeah, both times.
	Wait a minute.
	Yeah, both times.
	So when Tupac was in Vegas, we all hung out together during that day.
	So you were at the Tyson fight too?
	I was at the Tyson fight.
	Oh, shit.
	So there's a mall in Vegas, and I don't know why I took what this thing called fat burners.
	I wasn't fat, but, you know, you think you're doing it.
	So I took these pills, you know, trying to lose weight, always trying to stay in shape.
	I was trying to better my body.
	We all went to the fight, but I was drinking.
	And something about the alcohol didn't mix with the fat burners.
	Fat burners.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I said I had to go.
	My body was hot.
	Most fat burners are stimulants.
	It's just caffeine, bro.
	Yeah, it wasn't feeling good.
	And I went to my hotel room.
	I'm laying in bed feeling like I'm about to die.
	I was in there for like six days.
	And I'm watching the news, and I saw that Tupac had got shot.
	And the day I got well, that I could fly, I was on my way to Charlotte to do a show, and that's the day that he died.
	The thing with Biggie, when we was all in L.A., me...
	Question, were you hanging out with him?
	Like, you would have been...
	Were you just there at the fight?
	No, no, no.
	We were just all cool.
	I don't think I'd have been in the car with them.
	No, no, no.
	You would have just been at the fight.
	I was well respected.
	The reason why I was well respected is because me and Suge was real tight.
	Gotcha.
	And Suge used to be my bodyguard on tour with NWA, me and the D.O.C. So I seen Suge grow from a bodyguard to one of the most powerful men in the music industry.
	Okay.
	And he always, you know, Suge would just pick me up, go ride, hang out.
	To this day, Suge's my guy.
	So hypothetically, let's say you didn't get sick.
	Do you think you would have been with that entourage that got involved in that fight?
	No, I made it to the party.
	Because they was on their way.
	This happened before they got to the party.
	So I was only there before they got there.
	And I got sick.
	Okay.
	So you left?
	Yeah, so I left.
	And just so the audience knows, because some of them might be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
	That night, guys, there was a big Tyson fight in Vegas, and Tupac and a bunch of guys from Death Row beat this crip up.
	Right.
	People tell you, I'm friends with people, but because I'm much older than everybody, I always move my own lane.
	You're like the cool uncle that's there with the people.
	Right.
	I don't hang out with you.
	I know Pac and them beat up this dude.
	Yes, they did.
	Lando Anderson.
	Yes, who was a crip.
	There was some beef.
	His people had stolen a chain from somebody from Death Row.
	They saw him at the casino and they beat his ass.
	It's on video.
	Then, when they were getting ready, they went back to the hotel, changed, and they were going to go to a nightclub.
	Were you already there at that nightclub?
	Yeah, I was already at the nightclub.
	Okay, so they were going there, and you would have seen them if they had pulled up, but they didn't.
	They didn't make it.
	Because Pac got shot going to that nightclub.
	Because those guys went and got a gun and went looking for them, and they found them at the red light, and that's when they shot.
	Right.
	And the thing that I would love about young men, if I had to look back on Tupac, understanding my life now, Tupac wasn't about that thug life.
	Tupac was one of the nicest kids you could ever imagine.
	I don't know if they know, he was a background dancer to Digital Underground.
	Yes, he was.
	He was poetic.
	He went to an art school.
	Right.
	He's an artist.
	Yeah, he was trying to give out a positive message.
	And this is what happens with some men in their journey.
	You can meet the wrong people and you get influenced and you go down the wrong path of life.
	And then when Tupac went to jail, he was just looking for OG to guide him.
	He was looking for help to guide him to get him on the right track.
	And that didn't happen.
	And it led him out, right?
	It should bail him out.
	Think about it.
	He should bail him out.
	And Tupac wasn't even out of jail a year and he died.
	Wow.
	Oh yeah, he died while he was on bond.
	He was on bond.
	Yeah, he never even lived the whole year when he got out of jail.
	Do you think that's why he had such extreme loyalty to Suge and Death Rose?
	Because like, Suge got him out of that situation, paid for his lawyers.
	See, I'm going to go deeper in life with you guys.
	See, I'm going to talk about the universe.
	Okay.
	See, some people get it.
	Sometimes the universe will send you to jail to get your life together.
	And you gotta stay there to say, I'm gonna get my life together.
	Like Malcolm X. Yeah, if you get out, you're going against the pattern of the universe.
	So it happened to my brother.
	He wound up dying when he got out because he didn't learn.
	Happened to Tupac.
	But in my lifetime, the only person that really got it...
	What's my guy out of Atlanta, the rapper that got the beautiful wife and got the baby?
	Gucci Man?
	Gucci Man.
	Oh, yeah.
	Gucci Man.
	He went in fat as hell, drug addict, alcoholic, comes out fit as fuck.
	And he's married to Kishikior.
	Yeah.
	Good example.
	He got it.
	Gucci Man got it.
	He went to prison and became a better man to the point people say Gucci Mane was cloned.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But he went there and became a better fucking man.
	That's such a good point.
	Because I remember his tweets used to be fucking crazy, bro.
	Before he went to jail, bro.
	Yo, he was showing up at restaurants with a shirt on, getting kicked out.
	He was always on drugs.
	He was always drunk and high and shit.
	And he was reckless, bro.
	Like, it was a very dark time.
	And I think jail saved him.
	He would have probably got killed if he never went to prison, bro.
	So that's what I'm trying to say.
	You've got to understand the universe, and the universe will do certain things to you, and you really have to take advantage.
	And I always use examples.
	I always talk about Whitney Houston.
	See, the universe will give you so much talent, and they'll warn you.
	And say, hey, we're going to give you another shot.
	And if you don't understand it, the universe will say, listen, I've done what I can with you.
	It's time to bring you back home.
	And I could give that talent to somebody else.
	Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Prince.
	These are just my theories, but I get deep with the world because I love life so much and I'm connected and I understand quantum physics.
	I understand the speed of light.
	I understand the energy of people when you walk in the room, right?
	These things truly, truly exist.
	And I just want to give it to the universe while I'm breathing and let people know how you really can move a certain way and achieve life.
	I have a question for you.
	Well, more of a statement.
	Keep it a bean, if you don't mind.
	Did he do it?
	Or did he not?
	So here's the thing that I've been saying to people already.
	There's been so many people...
	Talking about Puffy touched my ass.
	Puffy coming to the door naked.
	But I believe that this shit does not become official until you see my man with the umbrella come forth.
	The guy who always held the umbrella over...
	Something Bentley.
	Farnsworth Bentley.
	Farnsworth Bentley.
	Now if Farnsworth come out...
	I don't care what nobody else said.
	If Fonzie come out and he's on the interview with you guys but he got the umbrella and he's talking and he's telling you believe him because he knows everything that went down.
	Do you believe Cassie?
	Cassie, did you read the indictment?
	The civil case, I did read it.
	Yeah, it was deep.
	Too many details?
	Too many details.
	The thing about Puff, and I think Puff was getting ready to understand energy, but it was too late.
	Love.
	See, because when he was starting to give everybody the publishing...
	He was trying to do right.
	Because I know he felt this coming.
	I knew he knew something was coming.
	And to you guys, the world, I'm going to tell you this very clearly.
	When you mess up one time on this planet, you've got to do that much more good.
	Yeah.
	You gotta do that much more good to balance the energy on this planet.
	Because if you keep doing bad, bad, bad, no matter what you do, you can't catch up to all the bad that you've given.
	It's coming back full circle.
	Yeah, so Puff's situation is when you hear all these people coming out with their information, It's so much.
	And I'm quite sure we even got to the tip of it, right?
	And when I look at him, Russell Simmons, these people who we was growing up, Bill Cosby, Weinstein, See, I came up with hustlers.
	I came up with men like Eric Bond, Zip, Frankie B, my nigga.
	I always talk about Haitian Jack.
	When we went out, we was leaders, not bosses.
	I always tell people all the time, when I hear people say they're a boss, that's just a title.
	That means you're just a boss.
	You've got to be a leader.
	Do you lead the people?
	So we lead the people.
	So when we was growing up and having a little bit of money, we took care of women.
	We made sure we put women on the right projective in life to achieve, because that's what men are for.
	You're supposed to make a woman better.
	If you can't make a woman better within We're good to go.
	For the rest of a life.
	And I meet these people.
	So now, instead of me trying to have a good time with them, I gotta be the motivational speaker.
	I gotta be a cap to save.
	I gotta be a therapist, right?
	To get this woman back on track.
	Because the men I hear today, having had OGs like me, To give them game.
	They're thinking every woman is horrible.
	I'm not saying you treat every woman good, but you have enough wisdom on this planet to know which woman has the character of what you want.
	You can't do that to everybody, right?
	But if you know character, you're like, oh, I can rock with her.
	She's sweet.
	She's got a life together.
	Let me do right by her.
	And that's what we have to start putting out in the universe instead of this nonsense and this confusion to see that men was putting pills in a woman's drink.
	I'm like, what, your vocabulary ain't cold?
	There's a thing called sapiosexual, right?
	That you seduce a woman by her mind because of conversation.
	You don't have to put stuff in women's drinks to get them to do what you want to do.
	Your conversation's so cold.
	That is the Molly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If your swag's so cold, that is the swag, right?
	Yeah.
	You know, I teach guys, and they call me simps on Facebook and Instagram, you know, because nobody's taught them the game.
	I always say when you go out and you're at a club and you're talking to a young lady and you're taking up her time, you buy her a drink.
	Excuse me, sister, what you drinking?
	You buy a drink.
	You ain't got to stay there with her.
	You buy a drink and you're going about your business.
	If you're walking down the street with a young lady, you walk on the outside of the curve.
	So if cars are driving by, it shows that you're protecting the woman.
	These young motherfuckers are saying, let that bitch get hit by a car.
	I tell guys, when you get on the plane, you're taking a trip.
	You're supposed to let the woman sit by the window.
	You sit on the outside of a detector.
	They call me a simp.
	Talk about, yo, I paid for a ticket too.
	I want to look out the window.
	I think the reason why they would say that is because In your generation, women were actually women, right?
	They were feminine, they were docile.
	You would get that masculine energy to protect and provide and give that chivalry.
	But I would say in today's day and age, with the way so many women are, how entitled they are, how masculine they are, etc., a lot of guys look at it like, she acts like a dude.
	Why am I even going to...
	That is so true, too.
	Do something first.
	So I see your perspective, but I also see the modern perspective, and I think it's because the gender lines are so blurred now that guys don't know that they need to be a man all the time, even if the chick is masculine.
	But that's why I was saying to you, right?
	I'm going to say something to you because you're my friend now.
	I want you to listen to comprehend, not listen to reply.
	Okay, okay.
	That's why I said character.
	Know who to do it for.
	Of course, of course.
	Right?
	Because there are women like that, but you don't do that for that woman.
	I agree.
	But if you see an opening that you can give that person knowledge, you say, you know what?
	May I make a suggestion?
	And you try to get a sister to try to start being soft.
	Stop using profanity all the time.
	Start talking like a man.
	I was talking about that on stage the other night.
	Don't no man want to go to bed.
	The girl is beautiful, right?
	But you say, goodnight, baby.
	And she go, goodnight, bro.
	But the women don't want to hear it, right?
	The women get mad.
	Oh, you ain't going to tell me how to talk and all that.
	No, baby, I just want you to be soft because we need you out here.
	And that's what I want men to start telling our sisters and our women.
	Chivalry is earned.
	Yes, come on, baby.
	We need you.
	We need you to be soft.
	I want to be a man for you.
	But TK, I'm not going to lie, brother.
	I like the window seat.
	Hold on.
	You have a segment that I watch, actually.
	Men are the new women.
	Can you explain that to the audience real quick?
	Well, men want to be taken care of.
	Yeah.
	Men meet women now to be taken care of, to be stay home dads.
	Yeah, that's terrible.
	You got men, you got women at work, and you got the men walking the dogs.
	It ain't even a big dog.
	It's a little dog.
	It's really walking.
	Touching the dog's head, right?
	And calling the woman that worked about, yeah, I ran your errands for you.
	I dropped this off at FedEx.
	What time you gonna be home?
	I'm gonna pick this up for you later on.
	Now, here's the thing.
	Me being in my 60s, I can't change the world.
	I see the world changing.
	I don't know if this is the way it's supposed to be, guys.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't have all the answers, right?
	But I've seen it change.
	I've seen something happen that I cannot explain.
	And it doesn't look good on so many levels.
	It's bad.
	It's bad.
	Real bad.
	I got a question.
	It's bad.
	Going back to the puffy thing, right?
	Obviously, it's all over the news, etc.
	The one thing that's really, and I want to get your take on this, that's really interesting to me is, like, no one has come out to his defense in the industry.
	Like, nobody.
	Like, I remember when Michael Jackson got accused.
	People think you're supposed to come to defense, but that's not the way the world works.
	No?
	Nah.
	But people came out when Michael Jackson got accused, even when R. Kelly got accused.
	People came in and said, these girls are lying, blah, blah, blah.
	Like Kobe, of course, yeah.
	But no one said anything for Diddy, which is weird to me.
	Some people are saying that Mike Puffy didn't do it.
	But here's the thing about being a man.
	Yeah, I've heard it.
	I've seen a couple things.
	Here's the thing about being a man.
	When you catch a case, you're on your own.
	Yeah.
	This is law.
	Yeah.
	This is law.
	We live in the world today.
	Once it's out, you're guilty anyway.
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	Social media.
	Yeah.
	You're done.
	News.
	You're done.
	So even if somebody came to your rescue...
	It's not gonna help any.
	A man, when he gets in trouble, he's a man.
	I've learned this the hard way.
	Because I did all my shit in the 90s before social media.
	Thank God.
	You gotta be a man.
	And you deal with it.
	You hand it like a man.
	And you let the chips fall as they may.
	And then once it's all over, you go through life and face your issues head on like a man.
	And the things that you've done, you accept it, and you go about your business, and then you change.
	So if Puffy beats this thing, move on with your life, stay focused as a man, raise your children, and we live in a world that after three weeks, a month, a year, nobody will give.
	Yeah, they forget.
	Nobody cares.
	Nobody cares.
	Let me ask you this.
	Have you ever been to any of the parties, or...?
	I've never been to any of Puffy's parties.
	I'm not a party guy, to be honest with you.
	I'm a lounge guy.
	I want to get nice and have a bad bitch breathing on me with a bottle of champagne in the cut.
	If somebody tells me everybody goes there, I go the opposite direction.
	You made another segment Is she a liability?
	How do you find a bad chick?
	Oh wait, nigga, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I want to add one more question before you completely switch it.
	Do you think it's true?
	Do you think the allegations are true?
	I think it's too many people saying something that is all the same thing.
	Okay, the corroboration has you like, okay, what the hell's going on here?
	Maybe one person could say something.
	Okay.
	You go, I'm a motherfucker just a hater.
	Yeah.
	Too many people.
	Too many people come forward.
	Okay.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I know some people lie.
	Some people lie just to be clickbaiting and have their name out there, right?
	Of course.
	It's just too many things.
	What I've also learned in life is I just want Puff to be okay.
	And the reason why I say that...
	In the 90s, I had courted a case.
	As a matter of fact, I had kind of like Rob Puffy in 1998.
	True story.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, in 1998, it was a thing called tip the grand larceny.
	Okay.
	And we used this credit card to buy us some jewelry and shit.
	No, true story.
	Oh, shit.
	Well, you knew him since, what, like, 95 or something?
	You said you knew him before.
	I knew Puff when he first got started.
	I mean, Puff was cool.
	You know, Puff was like tea to the motherfucking cake, but I never hung out with him at parties.
	I just wasn't a partying kind of guy.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah, that's just me.
	And I did some wrong stuff.
	My cousin, Lawrence, Kate, I love him.
	We're still tight to this day.
	I had my whole family involved, and one thing led to another.
	And...
	You learn to live to be a great person.
	And if you know my past, I wasn't bad.
	I was just making mistakes as a youngster.
	It took me a minute to grow up.
	But like I said, I've lived long enough now to have...
	Did you beat the case?
	Yeah, I beat the case.
	So you used Puffy's credit cards and bought some jewelry with it?
	No, we didn't actually get the jewelry.
	See, everybody got played.
	So this is the universe again.
	Okay.
	I got the credit card information to buy some jewelry.
	The jewelry store never ran the credit card.
	They used it for publicity to promote their jewelry store.
	Oh.
	Yeah, it was crazy.
	What the hell?
	The detectives, it was opportunity for them because this one, Puffy, had the number one album in the country.
	Right?
	I'm trying to think, what year is this?
	This is 1997, 1998.
	Okay.
	I forgot the name of the songs, but he was doing his thing.
	This is after Big died, right?
	This is after Big died.
	Okay, it was the album where I'll be watching, I'll be missing you.
	It was that album.
	Whatever album was.
	I forget the name of it, but continue.
	Whatever album was.
	99.
	More Money, More Problems.
	Yeah, it might be More Money, More Problems.
	Whatever the situation was.
	I beat that case when I took a plea deal because I had another felony in California.
	And what they had in New York was a thing called predicate felon.
	And predicate felon is no matter where you are in the world, you catch another case within a year and it's a felony where you get caught at that's mandatory four to six.
	But I hired some attorneys out of Long Island named Tony Matteo and Frank Capitolo, two Italian attorneys out of Long Island, to help me get my plea deal taken off the table.
	During that time, I'm in Rikers Island because I took my deal off the table.
	The judge reprimanded me, sent me to Rikers Island.
	Oh, God.
	Worst jails ever.
	Yeah, I can handle it.
	People knew me up there, so it was cool.
	While I'm up there, though, this is all universe now.
	Watch where I'm going.
	Puffy, Shine, and Jennifer Lopez get in a shooting at the club in New York City.
	Wow.
	So you were locked up when that happened?
	I was locked up.
	But watch this.
	The same prosecutors come to Rikers Island.
	To ask me, could I testify against Puff to say I saw him with the gun in the club?
	Damn.
	You weren't there?
	I wasn't there.
	What the fuck?
	That's my point.
	That's messed up.
	So my attorney said to me, T, do you want to help out the, you know, they might let you out.
	And I said, well, get me out of here.
	We can talk about it.
	You know, so they came off a couple days with the cars and shit and, you know, took me back down to the tombs.
	The tombs is in Manhattan.
	One city in Manhattan.
	Okay, so it's another jail that's an offshoot of Rikers, where they transport you for court and shit.
	Yeah, so they took me back downtown.
	Gotcha.
	So three days, we was going to the club, and they was, you gotta read between the lines, and they was pretty much saying, um...
	You were standing here.
	And I'm like, I was standing here, but they want you.
	They can't tell you.
	You have to read between the lines.
	But during that time, I was eating pizza and sandwiches.
	I was playing them the whole time.
	Yeah.
	I can't remember.
	I'm hungry.
	I need to eat.
	I'm doing all that.
	So they take me back to Rikers.
	And I think a week later or something, they came to ask me, was I going to testify against Puff?
	And I was like, nah, I'm good.
	Yeah, I'm good.
	Because I'm not that kind of dude, you know what I'm saying?
	Did he testify against you to get you jammed up?
	He was coming to testify against me.
	He was coming.
	For that credit card thing.
	He sure was.
	I swear to God, he was coming.
	My attorneys told me.
	If you had went to trial, he would have taken a stand against you.
	He was going to take the stand and go against me.
	Yes, they told me that.
	They said Puff is coming to testify against you.
	He sure was.
	Did he feel betrayed or something?
	Because y'all were cool, right?
	We was cool.
	And here's the thing about a man.
	I was wrong.
	At the end of the day, I was wrong.
	I'm not one of those guys who lie and say, oh, he's a bitch nigga and he shouldn't have did that to me.
	Nah, I was wrong, dog.
	And whatever was going to happen to me...
	It should have happened.
	But I fought for my life and I fought to want to become a great man.
	And so I fought because I had made a mistake.
	A lot of people make mistakes and they can't get out of their situation.
	It just so happened I had money.
	Even though I was crazy, I still was rich.
	So I was still doing things and I was able to get Good lawyers.
	Good lawyers.
	Because that's what it comes down to.
	You ain't got good lawyers, dog.
	You're done.
	You're done.
	So I was able to pay for my attorneys.
	I did right.
	How long did you end up serving for that charge?
	I never went to jail.
	I wound up getting five years probation.
	Okay, so you were only in Rikers pending your case.
	Exactly.
	So how long were you?
	I was in there.
	She's put me in there twice.
	So 60 days, 30 days one time, 30 days the other.
	Damn!
	Okay.
	But let me explain to you how beautiful my life is.
	When she let me out two days later, I was on tour with the Rough Riders and the Cash Money Millionaires doing a 40-city tour.
	So you post a bond.
	Got it.
	So you...
	I was already on bond.
	She just reprimanded me because I took my deal off the table, my plea deal, and brought new attorneys in, and that pissed her off.
	She got mad at me that I didn't take the deal.
	Okay, just so I understand.
	She changed my life, too, believe it or not.
	You get arrested for the credit card fraud stuff.
	You get arrested.
	You spend 30 days in jail.
	You post bond.
	You get out.
	No, I was already on bond.
	I was already arrested.
	I had already turned myself in.
	Okay.
	So when we are fighting this case, after...
	Maybe six, seven months, I took a deal.
	Okay.
	Of the advice of another attorney.
	Yeah, you took the plea deal.
	Yeah, I fired that attorney and brought in two new attorneys.
	Okay.
	When I did that, she was pissed.
	She got mad because now they got to push court back and shit.
	Exactly.
	So she probably held you in contempt of court.
	Send this motherfucker to reprimand on the Rikers.
	So you go to Rikers for 60 days for that?
	30 days the first time.
	Okay, and then you got reprimanded again to go to other 30 days?
	Because my attorney came late, so she locked me the fuck up.
	Wow!
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Damn!
	All this happened in the 90s.
	But I tell these stories not to be a gangster.
	I tell these stories for men.
	Can make better choices with their life and women because at the end of the day, I promise you, it's not worth it.
	I hate that I went through all this shit because it embarrassed my mother.
	So when you talk about Puff, It's not him who I think about.
	It's the mother.
	See, when you got a mom that loves you, and they see you grow to become something, and they talk to their people when they go get their manicure and pedicure, when they go to church.
	It's my son.
	My son.
	They're so proud of you.
	And then this shit happens.
	It's like it hurts your mother.
	So bad that you can't explain.
	My mom, when this happened, didn't go to church for six months.
	It's shameful.
	Yeah, didn't go get it.
	Yeah, because they're going to ask her about how's TK doing, and then what's she going to say?
	He's on Rikers Island?
	And then depending on how strong your mother is, and all mothers, no matter, they strong, but they still...
	My stuff is small compared to sexual assault.
	My stuff is small compared to rape and...
	Putting mollies and lacing women's drinks with stuff to seduce them and take advantage of them.
	So just like I said, to any young man that's out there doing any crime, especially with sexual assault, Do the right thing.
	It is not worth it because most of y'all don't have money.
	Think about football players who get caught up in situations.
	The girls say that I got raped and he don't have the proper attorney or whatever.
	And your whole career as a football star or basketball star or swimmer gets thrown away because of one night that you made a bad choice.
	Or girls can lie on you too.
	A lot of me too bullshit going on.
	That's so true.
	They can lie on you.
	When I see young men in sports in their 20s, I always say stay single.
	Stay single, date as much as you can, but don't put your life in jeopardy that someone can take.
	Your life away.
	Yeah.
	Question for you, because you mentioned it earlier, and I want to make sure you get to finish your thought.
	You mentioned that you were with Tupac, obviously, the day he passed away, and also Big.
	What was that like when Big passed?
	Because he passed away, like what, like a few months later?
	Yeah, like a year later.
	It hurt, man, because my- You were in California?
	I was in California.
	This was what happened that night.
	Okay.
	We hung out, and then we met at the party.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so Biggie, Leote, even Puff.
	I had a show that night at the Club called Comedy Act Theater on 43rd and Crenshaw.
	Okay.
	I didn't want to go.
	So I remember Biggie saying, TK, yo, go do your show.
	We'll see you when you get back.
	But I saw all the gang members in L.A. in the area.
	They was all dressed up in suits.
	And I know everybody.
	You know, I said, oh, there's going to be some problems here.
	So I met these girls, and I took them with me.
	We went to the comedy show on Crenshaw.
	Okay.
	So y'all were hanging out earlier in the day.
	Yeah, met at the party.
	Okay, and then you were hanging out at a party, and then you said, yo, I gotta do this comedy show.
	He's like, just go and meet me back here.
	I'll come back and meet him back.
	Okay.
	On the way driving back, coming down Wilshire Boulevard, you see all the cop cars.
	So when I pulled in, everybody said, yo, TK Biggie got shot.
	I ain't believe him.
	Motherfuckers just lying.
	So I went to this other club to open up for Outkast.
	Oh, shit.
	Outkast were in LA at the time?
	Yeah, it was the award show.
	I forgot where the award show, but they was there.
	They had a party, too, on Sunset Boulevard.
	Outkast.
	Was it Vibe or The Source?
	It was one of those, it was a big show.
	One of those old magazines.
	It was a big show.
	Soul Train?
	Yeah, whatever it was, everybody was in town.
	And I opened up for everybody because I'm my own manager.
	I was one of the aggressive guys that you're going to see me.
	And everybody loved TK. And I hung out in Atlanta too, so Outkast and us, they all knew me.
	So I went to go perform with Outkast and wound up introducing her.
	And I remember looking out the window on Sunset Boulevard.
	And I said, something told me to drive by Cedar Sinai Hospital.
	Because I was calling Leote, but she wasn't picking the phone.
	When I got there...
	At that point, did it start to set?
	Because at first you're like, this is a fucking line.
	Again, energy.
	I'm on Sunset looking out the window at the club.
	I was just chilling.
	And something said, something ain't right.
	And then I went and got, somebody said slow training wars.
	So I went and got in my car, drove there.
	And I know what they said, Bickey had died.
	And I remember standing outside with everybody, couldn't believe it.
	And I was like, you sure?
	You sure?
	But he was dead before he got there.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	He didn't die in the hospital.
	Because Park was alive for like a week when he got shot.
	Yeah.
	Bickey died before he got there.
	And I went home.
	I remember sitting in my hotel room.
	I called my mother because my brother had just died a year ago in January.
	Who was there at the hospital?
	Like it was you?
	Everybody.
	Everybody from Bad Boy was there.
	Yeah, everybody was there.
	And he died March 9th, 1997.
	Because my brother, that was my oldest brother's birthday.
	And he had passed away back in 95.
	So that's how I come to know that day.
	So the rest is history.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	That's crazy that you were at the same location both times.
	Yeah, I was just a guy who just got around.
	I was everywhere.
	I rocked with Teddy Riley and Guy.
	When Nelson Mandela got out of prison, I hosted this thing for him at the Coliseum.
	Back in the day, I raised money for Maxine Waters.
	A lot of people don't know I do city council stuff.
	I used to raise money for Maxine Waters out in Los Angeles, California.
	Me and...
	Johnny Cochran and I was great, great friends.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, I seen Johnny Cochran rise.
	If it doesn't fit, you must have quit!
	Yeah, I seen him rise.
	He always said to me, he said, TK, he said, no matter what happens in life, nobody can make it unless you help them.
	I always remember that.
	What was his thoughts on OJ? I mean, that OJ case made his career.
	Yeah, the thing I didn't like about...
	This is my opinion, and I told you this to Johnny Cochran, because he was everywhere.
	He was on the award shows, he was doing that, and I was mad because he was using my money to go hang out.
	And I believe when you're fighting the case, motherfucker, I won't see you on no show.
	Be up there and fight his mind.
	Oh, he was defending you.
	You retained him as a lawyer?
	No, no, not me.
	I'm watching, I'm thinking of him as if I was OJ. Okay, okay.
	He was at all the awards.
	He was everywhere.
	I'm like, fuck that.
	Be in the house to get me the fuck out of here.
	That's how I felt with that.
	Obviously, he had that power team, man.
	Like, bro, like that.
	What they pulled off was, to this day, I don't think there's ever been a trial that's been more publicized than the O.J. Simpson trial.
	And the reason why it was so fucking crazy is because it was in the 90s, before social media, before the explosion of smartphones.
	That case was everywhere.
	You couldn't escape it.
	I think it took almost a year for them to go through the trial.
	They did their thing.
	Incredible.
	Let me ask you this then.
	Because I covered this case very extensively.
	Do you think you did it?
	Keep it a bean.
	That's a good question.
	Do I think he did it?
	Nah.
	You don't think so?
	Nah, he didn't do it.
	I think he did it, but he didn't do it alone.
	I think his son was with him.
	Nah, he didn't do it.
	I don't think his son was with him.
	You ever seen his son?
	His son's crazy, bro.
	Check out.
	He's good with a knife, too, and he's very violent.
	Remember I told you character?
	Yeah.
	His son ain't built like that.
	No, because he had a couple.
	One of the sons hated Nicole.
	I don't think he was his birth mom.
	It was another woman.
	One of the sons absolutely hated Nicole, and he had issues.
	It's an interesting case to really find out, but we really don't know.
	I always say, just like when they say, is Puffy gay?
	Anybody ask anybody gay?
	And here's my philosophy on life.
	If you say, yo, TK, do you think Puffy's gay?
	I'm going to always tell you I don't know, because I wasn't in the room.
	That's safe.
	I get it.
	So if someone tells you so-and-so is gay, nigga, they was in the room.
	I like it.
	They was in the room.
	The only reason, and then we could...
	The only reason, because I've looked at theories and all the other stuff, in Nicole Simpson's hands, right, she had African-American hair fibers on her nails.
	However, it wasn't OJ's.
	It was an unidentified...
	Uh, African-American male.
	But my thing is, is that, um, and the way that, if you look at the carnage, if you look at the crime scene photos and everything, there's no way one man would have been able to take her on and the other guy that was martial arts trained.
	And he was older at this point.
	This is way beyond.
	I totally agree.
	I think it was true.
	You can't get two people like that.
	The way they did it.
	Yeah.
	And with the speed they did it, et cetera.
	And then the fact that she had DNA from another individual in her hands that wasn't OJ's.
	Right.
	It means at least it was a two-man job.
	And I think also, uh, The other reason was the veracity at which they almost decapitated her.
	That requires a lot of strength.
	Yes, it does.
	And I don't think OJ would have been able to do it, but his son was huge.
	He could have done it, and he didn't like her.
	Oh, and then one more thing.
	Back in 2006, 2007, he did an interview to promote his book, If I Did It.
	Right.
	And in the book, he says, in a hypothetical, and he refers to another individual that was with him.
	I forget the name that he used.
	I was there with this What I think is that it wasn't...
	From the evidence looking at it, I think it was a two-man job.
	I think he was there at the scene.
	Yeah, when you put pieces together, hear what you're saying.
	In the Dale situation, her being the way she was cut.
	Yeah, it was definitely a two-man job.
	I think it was a two-man job.
	And that's life sometimes, right?
	Sometimes, you know, some people get away with big crimes and some people don't.
	A lot of people don't talk about my man from Columbo.
	What's the guy from Columbo?
	What's his name?
	Oh!
	Michael Francis?
	No.
	Peter something.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you were talking about the mob guy.
	No.
	Columbo.
	The Columbo.
	The TV show Columbo.
	Oh, I thought it meant the Columbo crime family.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	Peter something.
	Peter Falk?
	Is it Peter Falk?
	Look that up.
	Someone in the chat is going to put it.
	Yeah.
	I think it's Peter Falk.
	F-A-L-K? Yeah.
	Now, watch what Peter Falk did.
	Peter Falk fed his woman.
	Shot her.
	And went into the restaurant, right?
	He caught a case, and when he beat it, you never heard from him again.
	My point that I'm making, what made OJ's situation horrible, OJ stayed in the spotlight.
	He didn't want to disappear.
	You know, you'd be a big child like that.
	You're supposed to disappear.
	To this day, he parties in Vegas still.
	He'd be around a bunch of bloodies.
	White girls!
	Michael Sartain's in Vegas.
	He said, I see him every week, and a bunch of white girls always go up to him and say, can I get a picture?
	Yep, I see him all the time in Vegas.
	I see him all the time in Vegas.
	But my point that I'm making, guys, it goes back again to show you how character...
	People don't respect character.
	Your generation will take a picture with anyone.
	Your generation will know that someone killed someone and still want to buy them a dinner.
	Y'all call that keeping it real or heat 100.
	So I had a question for you.
	As an out of wisdom, and you've been through a lot, how do you find, or I would say look for in a woman, a wife to be?
	Well, I'm not getting married, so I don't believe in marriage.
	Or main girl.
	Agreed.
	Main girl situation.
	My thing about life is I'm so happy that I don't want no one to destroy my peace of mind.
	See, when you go through, when you guys are going to have girlfriends, and some of your situations are going to work out.
	And the thing that you're going to understand in life is you'll start saying, I just want peace of mind.
	And once you get it, you never want to let it go.
	Fair enough.
	For no one.
	You know, people will tell you in a minute, oh, you're going to die alone, but you're going to die alone anyway.
	That's true.
	Unless you commit suicide, you take out everybody in the car and you're just going to drive off the road.
	On some Stan M&M shit.
	But that's why I would say take care of your health, eat good, have everything in order, your insurance policies, your trust, all that kind of stuff.
	But the main thing is, if God didn't make it, don't take it.
	Meaning, make sure you eat good and don't become a pre-diabetic by eating all these different sandwich meats and all these different types of stuff to give you high blood pressure.
	Because you've got to think about the long term of life.
	Of course.
	Most people just think in short term.
	They don't think about, I'm going to live to be 50, 60, 70 years old.
	And I go through the airport almost every day and see people half my age cripple and walking in pain.
	TK, you've helped many people in their career from the seed, from the very beginning.
	Mm-hmm.
	Cat Williams now, right?
	Yes.
	He went on a very good podcast.
	Yes.
	With Shea.
	Oh, yeah.
	Shea Shea.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Went viral.
	Right.
	He was exposing the industry in a way that was very, I would say, intimate.
	Yes.
	Cat Williams.
	Tell us your opinion about Cat Williams.
	I think Cat Williams is fucking phenomenal, right?
	Are you guys friends?
	We're associates.
	We're not friends.
	I'm not friends with really nobody.
	I'm associates.
	That friendship is very serious work.
	Of course.
	Cat Williams is an amazing stand-up comic.
	I saw him come up Unique style, had the perfect voice, right?
	The perfect delivery from Fridays to what he's doing now.
	And what can you say about him?
	You know, he has his issues.
	You know, he got arrested a lot of times.
	You know, he had drug problems.
	But again...
	He's got his life together, and he's moving in the right direction, and that's all you want for a man.
	You can make your mistakes, and you get it together, and you move on.
	He embarrassed some friends of mine, but again, my friends are men.
	In that particular interview, right?
	Yeah, and my friends are men.
	Well, my associates.
	I said friends are powerful, but I'm calling them my associates.
	Who do you think he did the worst?
	I think he did all the worst.
	Everybody got it.
	But if you're a hustler, you found the way to win.
	See, when all this stuff happens, that's how I get my interviews, my other interviews.
	So now I'm getting extra money because people want to know what TK thinks about it.
	So he put a few thousand in my pocket for it because of what he did because everybody reached out to TK. TK, what you think?
	So, shout out to Cad.
	I truly wish him the best.
	And, you know, that's his truth.
	If he feels that those things happen, I wasn't there.
	I don't know what's going on.
	I just live my life and I just do my thing and try to be a great man and want to see my grandchildren and my daughters and my sons.
	I got a question.
	And you mentioned this earlier, so I'm just coming back to it.
	I didn't want to interrupt you earlier.
	You mentioned that you got your start with Eazy-E. Can you take us through how you met him and how that relationship?
	Yeah, that's a good question, because I love everything about Compton.
	Everything about Compton.
	And believe it or not, my whole life started in entertainment because I met Kenan and Ivy Wayans.
	From King of Rainas, I met Charlie Murphy and Eddie Murphy.
	From hanging with Eddie Murphy and Charlie Murphy, I met New Edition.
	So I started touring with New Edition when they were kids.
	When Bobby Brown left New Edition...
	This is what year now, just so the audience kind of understands.
	This is in the 80s.
	This is the 80s now.
	Yeah, this is like 83, 84.
	No, no, no, it's later than that.
	It's like 86, 87.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And then I meet...
	Bobby Brown leaves New Edition...
	A man named Al Heyman who now promotes Floyd Mayweather.
	Boxing.
	But back in the 80s, he was a concert promoter.
	Oh, wow.
	Me and him are close associates.
	He says, TK, I want you to open up for I'll Be Sure, Tina Marie, Keith Sweat.
	It was a big concert in LA. Great concert.
	And I'm standing next to Bobby Brown and the DJ puts in the cassette.
	For all you Gen Zers out there that don't know what a cassette is, it's a tape like this back in the day.
	And I saw these kids lose their mind and I wanted to know who that was because I didn't know.
	And Bobby Brown pointed them out to me.
	And I walked up to this brother and I told him I was T to the motherfucking K. And he said, yo, I'm easy motherfucking E. And I told him who I was.
	He said, yo, I like what you're doing.
	This is what 88, 89 now?
	This is 88.
	Okay.
	Did Straight Outta Compton drop yet?
	88.
	It did drop.
	It dropped the same year.
	That's the song that they play.
	They play We Want Easy at the song in the stadium.
	I'm thinking of a bad joke.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if I... I shouldn't say it, right?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	No?
	He said don't say it.
	Okay, okay.
	I was going to say...
	Eight to the eights?
	Oh, yeah, that's okay.
	It's a bad joke, though.
	You know, yeah.
	And you just say it right.
	I don't want to say it because he was like a motherfucker.
	And then the rest is history.
	And Ice Q, Dr.
	Dre, MC Ren.
	Was the album out at that point?
	Yeah.
	It was out.
	Okay, so he was hot.
	He was hot.
	Like, you met him when he was, like, literally...
	And he was the nicest man that you could ever meet, dog.
	Really?
	That motherfucking Eazy-E, he was the truth.
	And we had a bond.
	And the great thing about it, if you had an idea, he rocked with you.
	And what Eazy-E did was...
	I was gonna start Ruthless Comedy with Eazy.
	Okay.
	And it was Jerry Heller, Eazy-E had signed off on it, but Eazy-E wound up passing away.
	Question for you.
	You mentioned earlier that you're really cool with Suge.
	Yes.
	But obviously Eazy-E and him had serious problems.
	Yeah, I was friends with everybody.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it wasn't like I was one-sided with anybody.
	I rocked with everybody.
	So they didn't look at you crazy?
	Like, Suge didn't have an issue with you being cool with you?
	No, I was my own man.
	Everybody knew I was my own man.
	I was my own man.
	Then I had a problem with it.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, one thing I noticed when I was in L.A., and it's one of the big reasons why I don't like going there, is that gang culture is so prevalent there.
	Yes, it is.
	If you're a nigga and you're in LA and you don't align yourself with one side for protection to some degree, you're going to be getting robbed.
	It's worse now.
	I don't know what it was like in the 90s.
	Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
	But if you don't have somebody that vouches for you so you don't get robbed all over the place, it's crazy.
	LA is run by gang culture.
	Yeah, the thing about L.A. is it's a unique place.
	It's very unique.
	They have their own way of living, and either you respect it or you stay out of it.
	That's just bottom line, because you ain't going down there changing it.
	So, and back then, just so the audience knows, like, guys, like, HIV and AIDS was like a generally new thing.
	I remember when Magic Johnson announced it, like, in the early 90s that he had it, everyone was like, whoa!
	Yes, yes.
	Because, like, no one knew what it was, and they were worried, like, can I catch it through sweat?
	I think that's a big reason why he felt pressured to retire.
	Right, right.
	What was that like?
	Like, obviously, you meet this guy, he's friends with you, you guys are cool.
	I never thought he died of AIDS. I don't know what I thought he died of, but I don't know, I don't think he died of AIDS. Was he set up?
	I don't know.
	I wasn't there.
	People come on these shows and they give these answers and they don't know.
	And I can't give an answer to something that I know.
	I only stick with the facts.
	And the facts is I don't know what he died of.
	I hate that he died because a lot of people's lives changed because that man died.
	Because he was really about taking care of his people and helping people out.
	So it could have been a lie then.
	I think anything could have been alive.
	You don't know the facts, right?
	You know, I didn't appreciate Suge saying what he said when he said he stuck a needle in him and Jimmy Kimmel just laughed about it.
	I just think that there's some people, there's some things you just don't say or allow people to get away with.
	What was the last time you saw him alive and what did y'all talk about?
	I don't remember.
	It was too long ago.
	Okay.
	Yeah, too long ago.
	But he was a good dude.
	He was a good dude.
	I like his songs.
	Yeah, I mean, he's a legend.
	So obviously, I'm assuming since you knew Eazy, you knew Dre and everything else like that back when they were cool.
	Yeah, Dre's my guy.
	Okay.
	What's that like, bro?
	Like, I mean...
	They just know the people.
	People, you know...
	I mean, I seen them when they was driving Suzuki Jeeps in a 190 Benz.
	The Sidekicks was out.
	So to see Dr.
	Dre's growth, man, is phenomenal.
	Like, it really is.
	Again, he had his issues too, his private issues, right?
	Like, everybody had their problems.
	You have to grow from them and become a great man.
	He looked like he's at peace, and he's become a great man, and those things are good.
	His wife, though, man, goddamn.
	Like, she got a fucking bag off of that, man.
	A lot of women get bags off these situations.
	Is that why you don't want to get married?
	No, no, no.
	I'm 67 years old.
	It doesn't make sense when we get married.
	You know?
	That's for you young kids.
	That's smart, though.
	That's smart.
	Yeah, those are young kids.
	I'm OG, you know?
	I bring women over to my apartment in assistant living.
	LAUGHTER And have them sign in at the front desk.
	We'd go out in the morning and go get protein shakes and shit.
	Sit there and feed the birds.
	Sweet stuff.
	Back when we was young, you'd buy girls cars.
	I buy my whole scooters now.
	The Razors.
	Yeah, I get scooters.
	I get you a scooter.
	I really like the setup that you guys got.
	Yeah, how you got the questions here, and we could really see it.
	And I know some people write some dumb stuff, and I like how we're smart enough to overlook you ignorant asses.
	Yeah, you ignorant asses.
	I love it, though.
	It's cool.
	It's cool.
	I'll read some of these chats real quick.
	So Mr.
	Ransom says, count my VIP ticket for the live event later this month.
	Can't wait to meet y'all and prove the doubters wrong about my voice.
	Also, I forgot to ask on Friday, did you guys start YouTube automation channels?
	How's the progress so far?
	Coming soon.
	Venom goes, as a man, imagine going to a Diddy party and finding out you are one of the hoes.
	That's what it goes.
	Caught my VIP ticket for the live later this month.
	Oh, no, I read that one.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Caper.
	It was Beretta.
	That's from Caper.
	I did that for an earlier conversation earlier.
	Yeah.
	What else?
	That's it?
	Okay, cool.
	Do you have another question?
	Actually, I'm ready for the girls.
	No, I'm ready to promote my show one more time.
	Yeah, go for it, bro.
	So ladies and gentlemen, listen, get your tickets to my tour.
	Catch me if you can.
	Just go to LiveNation.com.
	I'm coming to every city.
	If you don't see your city up there yet, I promise you, we are coming.
	Miami?
	Yeah, we're coming to Miami for sure.
	Yeah, Miami's not up there yet.
	And the reason why it's not up there yet, because the big boys who does my routing are putting together the Netflix comedy special thing in Los Angeles, California.
	Netflix Comedy Fest.
	So that's big on their plate.
	So when you've got people working in corporate America, and you're not really the top dog yet, but I'm in the top 100, I gotta wait.
	So those things will be coming soon.
	Coming soon.
	So please go to Live Nation Philly.
	I want you to come through April 12th, 13th, 14th.
	We also celebrate my birthday this Wednesday, April 3rd.
	So if you're in Miami, make sure you come through.
	I'm going to do my boy Noriega on the 3rd.
	So I'm down here.
	Shout out to Dream Champs.
	So we're about to do our thing down there too.
	Nice.
	We'll go.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Come through.
	Yeah, come through.
	I'm going to have a big cake and all that kind of stuff.
	We're going to do our thing.
	That's what's up, man.
	We'll support.
	Guys, hope you guys enjoyed that show, man.
	We had a legend in the house, man.
	I feel like we went through a trip in memory lane, man.
	We went in the 70s, 80s, 90s.
	Yeah, the thing I love about our show, I could tell it was a mature show.
	I wasn't saying nothing ignorant and nothing crazy.
	I just want people to understand you can come on these shows And be a man or be a lady without being ignorant or saying things just to get people to...
	The cloud chasing is crazy.
	The cloud chasing is insane.
	And that's what we want to stop.
	One last question.
	Obviously, you've been in entertainment for a very long time, right?
	Right.
	Was cloud chasing as bad back then as it is now?
	With everyone having their own platform?
	Right, this is what I think.
	I think what we see is everything has been this way.
	It's just that social media has boarded out, but it's now a disease and it's destroying people.
	Like there are some people who you knew they were everywhere because they were hungry for success.
	Maybe one or two people.
	Everybody was trying to get it.
	Even when women are taking their pictures by themselves and they post it.
	You're looking for cloud chasing.
	You're looking for someone to acknowledge you, to say that you're beautiful, to say that you're cute.
	And then if that person goes in your DM, all of a sudden he's thirsty or he's confusing, but you rebate.
	You lure that person in to do it.
	It's like setting a guy up for crime.
	You put some money there, walk away, but if he takes it, You gotta lock them up.
	I love asking OGs this question.
	You lived in a world, in your adult life by the way, where there was no social media.
	Absolutely.
	Not even cell phones.
	Do you think social media has destroyed society?
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	Done.
	I mean, think about it.
	Let's start with the kids.
	Depression went up over a thousand percent since 2006.
	This is a study out.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Depression.
	You got kids, they can't even do stuff around the house because they're like, I'm depressed.
	And you go, what the fuck are you depressed about?
	You ain't at war.
	You got a house over your head.
	You're eating good.
	They will say that they're depressed.
	And I tell people, and I had this on my program on my Instagram too long ago, I think most people are programmed to think they're depressed.
	I agree with you.
	I agree.
	It's not real.
	I mean, we go a step further.
	We say it's not real.
	Yeah.
	Over nothing.
	Yeah.
	I think people say it, and you hear people say the press is real, but I truly believe that if your ass got up and worked out every day, if you stayed constantly busy every day, that you would not have time to think about the press.
	But if you've been watching TV in the majority of your life, if you're watching this phone...
	Jerking off.
	Yeah, if you're watching this phone, and you start seeing the press, the press, you are...
	You was programmed, you was influenced to think that way.
	Because some people are like, I'm at this fucking job and I'm depressed.
	No, young lady, you was programmed to think that you was depressed.
	And people don't need to understand that.
	And let me use an example.
	In my era, nobody really talked about depressed.
	Yeah.
	Remember when they used to call it a shrink?
	I mean, at least when I was growing up, if you went to a shrink, they'd make fun of you.
	Yes.
	You know, I don't know if that...
	Yeah, but I mean, think about it.
	In my era, I swear to God, you never heard that shit.
	You never heard, motherfucker.
	Nigga, goddamn, I ain't going to work.
	I got therapy.
	I'm depressed, bro.
	I never heard of that in my life until the last 20, 25 years.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Motherfuckers is depressed.
	This is a new thing to me.
	Epidemic.
	Epidemic.
	What is, and man, sometimes I wish I could go back to the 90s and live in the 90s as an adult and kind of see what life was like.
	What is the biggest contrast difference between back then being an adult and going through life versus today?
	Back then, you wanted to talk to somebody, you had beeper or go on a pay phone versus now you're just using a phone and text messaging or whatever.
	We knew how to talk to people.
	Now you guys talk everything through text.
	And I always tell people if they ask me for something, you got to call me like a man or a woman.
	Because I call the passive-aggressive.
	If you ask me for something, you don't want to hear the answer.
	So you're playing it safe.
	But you got to hear my voice.
	Okay.
	You got to talk to me.
	We're going to talk.
	You ain't going to just text me what you want and ain't going to hear my voice.
	And that's what social media is.
	I was in Detroit.
	I remember with us, you wanted to jump on the phone and talk to us.
	I remember that.
	I remember that, yeah.
	You didn't want to go back and forth on text like, hey, can we just set up a call?
	And I was like, yeah, sure.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	I ain't doing all this fucking texting.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I saw, I was in the green room, like in your guys' room, in Detroit.
	And they would talk about creating a class To get children to learn how to communicate with each other.
	Wow.
	Exactly.
	Crazy world, man.
	I couldn't believe...
	When I saw that, I couldn't believe what I was watching.
	Only getting worse, too.
	It's only getting worse.
	Even my daughter, who's beautiful, she'll say, Dad, men don't come up and talk.
	Because I raise my kids a certain way.
	Yeah.
	Men don't approach women no more.
	Yeah, it's actually not as common as people think.
	You go to parties, men don't even ask women to dance.
	You see a fine woman over there, they stare and they hope that the girl come to them.
	Back in my day, you saw a girl, hey, gotta buy you a drink, gotta have a stand.
	And the girl was like, girl, bye!
	You know, you take her by the hand, bye!
	You know, you're doing all that stuff.
	A guy, you see your homie, they go!
	You see a boy walking with a bad chick?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's how I was back in the day.
	And we didn't have to worry about somebody gonna kill you.
	We knew everyone was gonna have a good time.
	Call me when you get home.
	You know, it was beautiful.
	It's changed, man.
	Do you notice a big difference when you talk to someone that was born in maybe, let's say, the year 2000 versus talking to someone that was born in the year 1980?
	Now, when you're explaining the difference, what do you mean?
	Like, for example, someone that was born in 2000, and I've noticed this when we're talking with younger people, because I was like the last generation, right?
	I was born in 90, right?
	So I didn't get social media and stuff like that until I was already an adult.
	So thank God I grew up without that bullshit.
	Yes.
	So I was able to still understand that it's important to have the spoken word and talk to people.
	Right.
	But when I talk to people born in 2000, like these 20-year-olds, et cetera, people born after that, I'm like, wow, you have a real issue with being able to communicate effectively and be able to convey yourself in a way that I'm able to understand you.
	They just can't.
	I don't know what it is.
	They argue more.
	See, some people, when they yell and argue, they think that they're right.
	Yeah.
	But that doesn't always work.
	And the goal of delivering the message is to make sure that you take the time to make sure that the person who's listening truly understands what you're saying so you can truly comprehend.
	And if you can't deliver what you're trying to say to me, there's no way I'm going to understand what you're talking about.
	Fair enough.
	So you stay away.
	That's why when I do meet women, instantly.
	I ask for my age.
	I know who to stay away from and who not to.
	20 and 23-year-olds don't have their life together.
	They're searching.
	30-something years old, they're almost getting their life together, but they're still out here trying to do their thing.
	40-year-old women, depending on what their journeys were, they probably had baby-daddy drama, still trying to get their life together, got their lives together, because they did make mistakes having babies, and they're still trying to get it, but they still have the early 30s But then there's a gift and a curse because if a girl don't take care of herself and she looks old as she gets 50, you don't really want to rock her because you made money, you're successful.
	You want a woman that took care of herself, but most women won't take care of themselves.
	So then you go a little younger because this girl looks attractive.
	Man, she's fine.
	I want to be with someone that excites me.
	So it's all confusion out here.
	I have no idea which way to go.
	So it's hit and miss, hit and miss.
	And I just wish you guys the best.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	I wish you all the best.
	Guys, he is TK Kirkland, man.
	Make sure to go ahead and check out his tours, man.
	He's going to be starting in April 12th, you said, right?
	April 12th, 13th, and 14th.
	The Punchline.
	Go to Live Nation today.
	It's going to be a sold-out event.
	I'm truly excited.
	Guys, listen to me.
	It took us almost a year to get here, but we did it.
	We're going to be back on the 26th.
	Yeah, and he'll be back in Miami with us at our live event on the 26th, guys.
	So make sure to come in.
	I'm looking forward to that.
	Check him out, man.
	We'll catch you guys back here with some lovey ladies, man.
	Right now.
	Chris, call it...
	1045.
	So roughly in an hour, guys, we're going to start.
	We'll try to get it started sooner.
	We love y'all.
	We'll be back with TK and some girls.

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