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July 7, 2025 - Epoch Times
03:46
John Eastman: ‘It's Goebbels. The big lie.’
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So I quickly came to the resolution or the realization that the law didn't matter here.
One of my colleagues said it's called Trump law.
If it involves Trump, there ain't no law.
That these were not normal legal skirmishes where the normal rules, most clients would be advised by their lawyer.
If you're charged with a criminal matter, be quiet.
Don't give them any fodder that they can turn against you.
But because this was much more political and whether these prosecutions were going to go forward or not or would get traction in the local jury pools was very political.
And if I was staying silent and letting the other side define the narrative, the narrative that Eastman got fake electors to cast votes to undermine democracy and instill President Trump into office or keep him in office, even though he knew he lost the election.
That was the narrative.
And if I allow that narrative to be told over and over and over again without being challenged, then it becomes as if it's true and it has an impact on the jury pool in those criminal matters.
And they will come to that jury deliberation believing that narrative and then trying to figure out, should Eastman be sent away for the rest of his life because he engaged in that?
And you can't let that stand.
You can't let those false narratives take root, it seems to me.
And so that's why we spent a lot of time with my legal teams addressing just this very issue.
And they finally came around to my view on this, that I think we need to be speaking out publicly to challenge the narrative.
Because there's nothing that we did was wrong.
And yet the narrative is out there that we were trying to destroy our elections, our democracy.
I mean, it's just blatantly false.
But if you let those false things go unanswered, then people start to believe them.
It's Goebbels, you know, the big lie.
They say that Trump was engaged in the big lie, but the real big lie was that Trump was engaged in a big lie.
It's Goebbels.
If you repeat the lie big enough and often enough, people will come to believe it.
And that's why I determined you got to speak up against it.
I often get that question, you know, why not just move on?
Look forward.
Let's not look back.
And there are two reasons I continue to look back.
One, I think the historical record of what occurred is important.
And when the courts themselves were refusing to look at the merits of the cases that left a sore spot on the American body politic, a scab, if you will, that remains unhealed.
And I thought it was important to heal it.
You know, and I urged at the time, I said, let's let these things be aired out.
And if at the end result of airing them out, Biden is ended up certified anyway, then at least the American people will know that the appearance of illegality and fraud that they saw with their own eyes did not affect the outcome, and they'll find some solace in that.
But if you leave that unaddressed, then that sore festers.
And then the second reason I continue to insist on shining a light on that is if in fact what I believe occurred did occur and people that did it are not held accountable, they'll do it again.
And the ability for us to have consent of the governed.
How do we give consent?
None of us were around in 1787 when they ratified the Constitution.
So how do we give ongoing consent to our system of government?
We do it by free and fair elections.
And if the elections are not free and fair, and if you're not allowed to raise questions about it, then we no longer are giving consent to the government.
Somebody else is deciding for us the direction that the government ought to be going.
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