Feb. 8, 2024 - Epoch Times
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| Hello, everyone, and welcome to American Thought Leaders Now, our news-focused spin-off series of the original American Thought Leaders program. | |
| Today, our very, very special guest is Dr. | |
| David Bell. | |
| He's been on the show a number of times. | |
| He is a public health physician, a former WHO public health officer, and also a senior Brownstone fellow. | |
| David, good to have you again. | |
| Thanks, John. | |
| It's good to be here. | |
| So we were going to talk about this mysterious disease X that some new pandemic preparedness guidelines are being built around. | |
| However, as it would happen, there's been rumblings of new mandates, new shelter-in-place policies, perhaps, new masking, new... | |
| Even possibly vaccine mandates. | |
| And this is all in the context of we have multiple schools, universities that have actually kept vaccine mandates for students and now are interested in implementing masking mandates as well. | |
| What's your reaction to this? | |
| It's an interesting time. | |
| It's not surprising. | |
| I think this is totally expected. | |
| Firstly, we're going to keep seeing variants of COVID because it's a coronavirus that's endemic and coronaviruses mutate frequently. | |
| So we have a vast network of surveillance that the public is paying for that will constantly detect these new variants. | |
| The variant, the EG5, I think is the latest one that is causing the noise. | |
| It appears to be the same as the last one, the other Omicron variants in terms of severity, so it's quite mild. | |
| It's spreading as a new variant does because it'll slightly overcome immunity because it has some, you know, the proteins are slightly different. | |
| So it'll start to get around a bit of your immune system. | |
| You'll get a little bit sick like a common cold for most people. | |
| In some old people with comorbidities, like other viruses, it'll be more severe. | |
| Drug companies, you know, pharma have made hundreds of billions of dollars out of COVID so far, and they are companies whose main role is to generate profit for their investors. | |
| So it would be Almost silly of them not to take advantage of every variant that comes along. | |
| So we're caught in this bind where we have large for-profit entities really influencing or running public health and They've found a way to monetize it to an unprecedented extent to take money from the taxpayers and to concentrate it among the investors and that's going to keep happening until we find a way to stop it or until the public just refuses to comply. | |
| Well, so we are actually seeing something. | |
| I've kind of looked at some of the reactions. | |
| This is a few days ago now that all these rumblings began. | |
| And so you have in California, you have Kaiser Permanente kind of pulling back on a mask mandate they were going to be installing. | |
| One of the Hollywood studios is doing the same. | |
| I was looking at this op-ed by Matt Hennessy in the Wall Street Journal. | |
| I mean, he has some pretty strong words. | |
| He said, I went along with social distancing and avoided my father's house as he was dying of cancer. | |
| Never again. | |
| And he said, I'll actually add this also because this is interesting. | |
| He says, I complied because everyone seemed to be complying and I didn't have the guts to say no. | |
| In hindsight, I can't help but feel I sold my God-given freedom too cheaply. | |
| I won't be fooled again. | |
| Yeah, I think a lot of people like that. | |
| And this pullback is interesting. | |
| It is hard to believe that as many people will comply as last time. | |
| And a lot of people last time really trusted in the CDC, trusted in the FDA. They thought that if institutions like this said they should do something for their health, then the sensible thing was to follow. | |
| They've since realised a lot of lies were told about masking and the efficacy of masks. | |
| The FDA has just backtracked on ivermectin. | |
| For the federal agency to say it's a horse dewormer, when they know, and the public know that they know, that it's been over It's a very safe drug. | |
| You use it for mass treatment. | |
| The lies over the vaccines, where the CDC have admitted that they were perhaps too hopeful when they said it will stop transmission, which justified Vaccine mandates which justified people being thrown out of work, thrown out of their homes. | |
| I know people who lost their homes had to move into state because the CDC told companies that they should have a vaccine mandate when it's clear now that there is no public health reason for it. | |
| So I think a lot of people are obviously questioning these agencies now and not believing what they said, which is probably at the moment a good thing. | |
| Well, you know, President Biden is on camera a few days ago, you know, talking about a new vaccine to deal with presumably these new variants and that it will be something that they will likely be recommending. | |
| It should be recommended for people where there is good evidence of benefit. | |
| I'm not sure that that exists overall. | |
| You know, the original vaccine trials we have to remember from Pfizer, There's an excess all-cause mortality in the vaccinated group compared to the controls. | |
| So we have never got solid data that the vaccine overall saves lives. | |
| It doesn't exist. | |
| There's some modelling which is based on very spurious inputs. | |
| You put an input into a model, you get the results you want. | |
| But the actual trials of the vaccine haven't shown that. | |
| So... | |
| It's not inconceivable that there are people out there who have never had COVID, this is a tiny number now, who have comorbidities, severe diabetes, obesity, renal failure, who may or may not benefit from the vaccine. | |
| I think it should be fairly unquestionable that there's no good evidence that college students would benefit. | |
| And there's a high likelihood, particularly in males, that The risks of myocarditis from the vaccine will outweigh any benefit. | |
| There's very big questions in females about the impact on fertility. | |
| We've seen a drop in fertility across a lot of countries corresponding with the Advent of mass vaccination among women of childbearing age. | |
| And that's continuing. | |
| We know that the vaccine concentrates in the ovaries. | |
| We don't know what it does there. | |
| So if you recommend it where you have good evidence, and we haven't seen that evidence, that's fine, like any medicine. | |
| But to recommend it without evidence would normally be considered poor public health policy. | |
| From what I understand, though, with these new bivalent boosters, these new versions of the original genetic vaccines, from what I understand, they actually haven't been tested either for efficacy or safety thoroughly. | |
| Is that correct? | |
| No, they haven't. | |
| Nothing like we would normally test a vaccine. | |
| The previous one About a year ago now, isn't it, that they brought out the specific, the Omicron-specific vaccine that was tested in about eight mice before it was put into humans. | |
| We're not running randomised controlled trials anymore on these variants. | |
| They've been given the ability to bypass those on the basis that we already know about the basic building blocks of the vaccine, the mRNA and the adjuvants, and therefore they can Change these without further human trials. | |
| The problem is that we never had, we never even completed the original trials of the original vaccine because they went and vaccinated the control group. | |
| We do know there's an excess mortality. | |
| It was mild but it was there in the vaccinated group compared to the controls. | |
| So that's a red flag. | |
| We know from the animal studies there is a number of red flags around increased fetal abnormalities in rats, reduced pregnancy in rats. | |
| There are red flags. | |
| It's never been tested as we normally do for genetic medicines, for carcinogenicity or for genotoxicity. | |
| They bypassed those studies originally. | |
| So we're bypassing human trials now on the basis that it was trialled thoroughly before, but for a medicine of this type it was not trialled thoroughly before, and the trials that We're carried out, had red flags that haven't been well followed up. | |
| So, you know, I think it'll be fair to say there's a certain recklessness in the approach. | |
| They will claim that it's because it's an emergency, but the emergency has also even officially been downgraded now. | |
| They've declared the end of the pandemic. | |
| If we don't do this for other endemic viruses, hopefully we won't start doing that. | |
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| You can check it out at AmericanEssence.com You mentioned all-cause mortality. | |
| The general all-cause mortality across the population has gone up recently, but a great many things happened during the pandemic, including the Outcomes of the shelter-in-place or lockdown policies and then of course the vaccines. | |
| There's a mix of different possible variables that would have created this situation, including COVID itself. | |
| Is it possible to disambiguate this at this point? | |
| Yeah, I don't think it is. | |
| An increase in all-cause mortality in this, particularly in young middle-aged adults, so it's very unusual. | |
| This should be a public health emergency, as in this should be something that is urgently being looked into to try to understand the cause. | |
| Which doesn't appear to be the case. | |
| So we had reduction in screening for cancer or for heart disease etc during the lockdowns and that varied a lot by place and by country. | |
| We had people getting fatter. | |
| In California, there's about a 30% increase in obesity in kids. | |
| There's a similar increase, I think, in adults. | |
| So a lot of people are a lot less healthy now. | |
| It may be that people are less reluctant to go for screening more because of distrust of medicine, etc. | |
| You always look around for environment or other changes. | |
| So we have had a pharmaceutical class that's never been used before in humans, given on a mass scale. | |
| So obviously that is something that you would look at as well. | |
| It's interesting, Sweden, so they had very light lockdowns or no lockdowns. | |
| They had fairly high vaccination rate. | |
| They haven't seemed to see this increase in mortality. | |
| So I don't think we can attribute it definitely to the vaccines, definitely to anything else, but it's something, this should be the sort of emergency that public health services concentrate on. | |
| This, also the reduction in fertility, and other things in the background. | |
| CDC put out data several months ago now on autism that 1 in 38 children in America I mean, that's a shocking statistic. | |
| It appears to be a real increase. | |
| It's not that we're picking it up more. | |
| This used to be very rare. | |
| It's now very common in children. | |
| Obesity is very common in children. | |
| So there are huge health problems. | |
| And it comes back to disease X. There are huge health problems building in the community. | |
| Life expectancy has stopped increasing before COVID in America was starting to trend down. | |
| Disease X is about worrying about a new virus or a new pathogen, bacteria that is suddenly going to emanate from somewhere on Earth and be a bubonic plague type disaster for humanity. | |
| Such a thing hasn't happened at all in the West since good sanitation and anywhere on Earth, you know, so a couple hundred years, anywhere on Earth since the advent of antibiotics. | |
| So, almost certainly it's not going to happen. | |
| We also have much better medicine now. | |
| So, historically, it's a rather silly concept because, you know, we have antibodies who have better medicine, we have good hygiene, which was one of the main issues for previous patients. | |
| Plagues. | |
| But the problem is that you're not going to make money out of these other problems and I think there's a fear if they look into mortality and they look into autism etc that they will find pharmaceutical contributors and that could cost tens of billions or hundreds of billions of dollars to the industry. | |
| The industry is where most of this funding comes from for medical research. | |
| So they're not going to fund research into Something that risks a major hit on their profits. | |
| So they would rather push something like Disease X, where you can scare the population, into thinking that just around the corner is another massive plague. | |
| And that if tens of billions of dollars of taxpayers' money aren't put into this industry that is rapidly growing, Then the whole world will be at risk. | |
| And so we downplay these other major disease burdens and growing disease burdens and we put all the emphasis on something like a meteorite hitting the earth once every 60 million years. | |
| It's an incredibly unlikely event. | |
| Unless you surmise that human manipulation of pathogens is going to cause a leak or an outbreak. | |
| Well, and so, you know, we're increasingly sure that it was indeed a leak of something that was manipulated that caused the pandemic in the first place. | |
| Yeah, and we know that a lot of that research is still going on. | |
| So it's not unexpected that accidents happen and that will happen again. | |
| But then, you know, you have to be honest with the public. | |
| If you are taking this money to prepare for another research mistake Then the obvious mitigation would be don't fund that sort of research. | |
| It wouldn't be spend even more money to mitigate the downside of the other money that you're spending. | |
| But if you're in virus research, if you're in public health on an international scale, this is where the money is. | |
| So we have a huge industry that needs to be fed. | |
| And so there's a huge self-interest now in pushing these unlikely scenarios, these unlikely public health scenarios. | |
| And fixing that is not going to come from the public health side because that's the industry that's making the money. | |
| Fixing it will only come, I think, when the public see that in many ways this is a scam. | |
| That this isn't in their interest and we've got to sort of dial back and look at what the actual role of public health should be. | |
| David, I can't help but think back to Matt Hennessey's op-ed. | |
| A lot of people today, I've seen in New York, just casually looking around, and also here in Washington, D.C., a significant uptick in masking, for example, despite what we know, which has been litigated again and again, that this isn't going to help in any way. | |
| But a great number of people believe it sufficiently to do it, and they believe it because they've been told to believe it, or they've been convinced, they've been persuaded that this is helpful, and there hasn't been a campaign to let them know, actually, this isn't going to be helpful. | |
| However, keeping your vitamin D levels up would actually be probably quite helpful, at least as I understand it. | |
| Undoubtedly, yeah. | |
| There's a paper in Nature, some months ago, that Point out, up to a third of COVID deaths could have been averted if people had normal vitamin D levels. | |
| I think this is still treated in the mainstream media as a sort of conspiracy theory, which is ludicrous. | |
| It's just basic medicine, basic immunology. | |
| Well, so the question really is, you know, a whole lot of us were convinced early on that have, of course, changed our mind like Matt here and others, including, you know, perhaps even some many organizations now and companies and so forth that have changed their minds. | |
| But at the same time, The ability to create this sort of, I suppose, fear or caution or enact this kind of policy seemingly by choice exists in our society right now as we speak. | |
| We can't avoid that reality, it seems to me. | |
| No we can't and I think this is where it comes back to the only ways to avoid it is to stop complying. | |
| I don't think the medical or the public health world is going to help because they're the ones that are benefiting. | |
| Most of society is losing but in general the health field is benefiting so I think There are politicians out there who I think see what is going on. | |
| They're a minority but they need to be promoted and supported by the public. | |
| The public needs to really start questioning what the CDC etc are telling them. | |
| They need to at least widen their sources of information and not be scared to look at sources that they've been told are far-right or conspiracy theorists or whatever which A lot of us actually went along with pre-COVID. Because I'm a public health physician, | |
| I've worked on outbreaks and SARS-1 and other outbreaks and infectious disease, I understood immediately in early 2020 that something was wrong and that allows you to look further and look deeper. | |
| But a lot of people, you know, I think they still trust these authorities and they haven't just figured out the basics that in the end this is about profit and money. | |
| And these authorities now are, you know, there's a revolving door, as we know, between the FDA, the senior management of the FDA and Large pharmaceutical companies. | |
| So they will look after each other's interests. | |
| It's a human thing to do. | |
| And we've got to start seeing this as an industry and not as some altruistic arm of government that's just there for the greater good. | |
| It's there to make money for the investors who've invested in the pharmaceutical companies. | |
| This includes the large investment houses, BlackRock, Vanguard, etc. | |
| The same investors are heavily invested in the large media companies. | |
| Yet we hear from this program that denigration of people who are questioning the pharmaceutical company's products without being told that this person is being paid by that company. | |
| So people have got to really start to be skeptical about the world that we're in. | |
| It's not the world that we thought we had in Western countries. | |
| Where do you see this all going as we wrap up? | |
| I think there's a high likelihood it will get worse. | |
| So we have a 100-day vaccine coming from CEPI, which is a Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations. | |
| It's a public partnership based in Europe. | |
| It was started by the Gates Foundation of Wellcome Trust and some governments at the World Economic Forum. | |
| So it's one of a number of sort of satellites around the World Health Organization in this area. | |
| And the aim, and it will happen, is they will have a way of making a vaccine in 100 days for a new variant. | |
| We have this huge industry being set up to surveil for variants. | |
| And the model that they are pushing for public health is that they will find variants, they will lock people down, they will Mandate or allow them to have a vaccine to get their freedom back and then the vaccine will make a vast profit and then the cycle will go around and they'll find another variant. | |
| And this is a future that is sort of mapped out and it'll be very hard to get out of once we have things like central bank digital currency, a programmable currency where if you don't get the vaccine they could stop you buying groceries and we've seen this sort of thing already in Canada. | |
| It's talked about by the Bank of International Settlements. | |
| These aren't conspiracy theories. | |
| These are what the people who are making money out of this and involved in the finance world are saying they intend to happen. | |
| So we can go down that road, which is a sort of, you know, almost an international fascist state. | |
| Where we will have a technocracy at the top based on health and on mandates and on restricting freedom unless you comply. | |
| Or people can sort of step back now and say this isn't what we fought for in world wars. | |
| It's not what This country, the United States or other Western countries or other democracies around the world were supposed to be built on. | |
| If bodily autonomy of individual sovereignty are important, then we have to stop complying with this direction and go back to a system, a democracy where the individual is sovereign and all these other agencies They can give advice, but they can't tell someone how to live their lives and they can't take away freedom. | |
| They're really the two paths that we have in front of us. | |
| We have to get away from this left-right Well, Dr. | |
| David Bell, this is a harsh, harsh choice that you're presenting here, and I think a lot of serious questions we need to ask ourselves as a society. | |
| It's such a pleasure to have had you on. | |
| Thanks, John. |
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