June 1, 2022 - Epoch Times
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| All right, so we are here in front of the federal courthouse in Washington, D.C. for the start of the third week of the trial against Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman. | |
| And behind us right there is Mr. | |
| John Durham, the lead prosecutor, the special counsel, who's been investigating the alleged spying that was done against Trump's campaign for one, as well as this Michael Sussman case, the former Clinton campaign lawyer, who allegedly lied to the FBI, one count. | |
| Mr. | |
| Durham, are you going to go after Rodney Jofi after this is over? | |
| All right, no luck there, but at the very least, we now know that they are in the building. | |
| Now, the jury has been deliberating for the past two days now, if you include today. | |
| They started on Friday. | |
| You have the three-day weekend, and now today they're going to come back together and deliberate. | |
| Well, three short hours after John Durham entered the courtroom, the jury finished deliberating, and they decided that Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman was not guilty of lying to the FBI. And as soon as both myself and my team heard the news, we rushed right back down and went over to the court where we actually got a chance to catch Mr. | |
| Durham leaving the building, and we even got a chance to ask him a few questions. | |
| Take a listen. | |
| This could cause issues for future cases out of your program. | |
| Do you have any plans for Rodney Jaffe after what's come out in this trial, sir? | |
| Do you feel that the Donchenko case will go differently, given the fact that it's going to be out of Virginia? | |
| Thank you. | |
| Mr. | |
| Durham, do you still believe that Michael Sussman lied to the FBI? Mr. | |
| Durham, any reaction to the verdict at all? | |
| Oh, I know you sent out a paper statement. | |
| Now, as you heard the reporter standing next to me yelling about the statement that Mr. | |
| Durham released, let me read it to you now. | |
| It's relatively short, but it does break down his thinking. | |
| Here's what John Durham said right after the jury announced their verdict. | |
| While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury's decision and thank them for their service. | |
| I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case. | |
| Then, right after we saw John Durham drive off in that black SUV, Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman came out, maybe three minutes later, and he gave his take on the jury's verdict. | |
| It was about a minute-long press conference, and we recorded it for you. | |
| Take a listen. | |
| And by the way, I just sped up the press conference a little bit, so that way we can get through it faster. | |
| Good afternoon. | |
| I have a few thoughts to share now that the trial has ended. | |
| I told the truth to the FBI, and the jury clearly recognized that with their unanimous verdict today. | |
| I'm grateful to the members of the jury for their careful and thoughtful service. | |
| Despite being falsely accused, I'm relieved that justice ultimately prevailed in my case. | |
| As you can imagine, this has been a difficult year for my family and me. | |
| But right now, we are just grateful for the love and support of so many during this ordeal, and I'm looking forward to getting back to the work that I love. | |
| Finally, I want to thank my legal team at Latham& Watkins, Sean Berkowitz, Michael Bosworth, Natalie Rao, and Catherine Yao. | |
| They are the finest lawyers, and they worked tirelessly on my case. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Mr. | |
| Tussman, what's next for you? | |
| Now, I want to give you two separate takes on the verdict. | |
| There were people who were surprised by it and people who were not. | |
| In regards to the people who were surprised by it, this was because they were looking at the fact that the jury was weighing their decision based on two sets of records that they were looking at in regards to whether or not Mr. | |
| Sussman lied to the FBI. Because on the one hand, you had text messages from Mr. | |
| Sussman, the Clinton campaign lawyer, to the FBI lawyer saying, hey, I'd like to meet with you because I have this information that I believe is relevant to you. | |
| I'd like to come to you essentially as a good Samaritan. | |
| And he specifically wrote, I'm coming as an individual, not on behalf of any client. | |
| That's what he wrote to the FBI lawyer. | |
| However, in separate testimony that Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman gave to Kash Patel back when Kash Patel was working for the DNI, he specifically was asked, Did you meet with the FBI on behalf of a client? | |
| And Mr. | |
| Sussman unequivocally said that he did. | |
| He met with the FBI on behalf of a client. | |
| And so you see, those two statements cannot be equally true. | |
| He can't both have met with the FBI just by himself and not on behalf of a client, and at the same time, he met with the FBI on behalf of a client. | |
| So he either lied to the FBI or Congress. | |
| And so which was it? | |
| Furthermore, besides just those competing statements, the prosecution, they actually presented different types of evidence showing that Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman was not just acting as a Good Samaritan when he went over to meet with the FBI. Now, one interesting example that the prosecution gave was that they showed a map Of where Mr. | |
| Sussman actually went to purchase the thumb drive that he gave to the FBI. This was the thumb drive with the data that had the Alpha Bank Trump campaign so-called collusion evidence. | |
| And what happened was that Mr. | |
| Michael Sussman, he actually left his law office and walked a few blocks over to a Staples to purchase the thumb drive. | |
| Then he went back, he loaded it up with the data, and then the next day he went on over to the FBI and gave it to them. | |
| However, just three days after that meeting, he actually billed the Clinton campaign for the purchase of that thumb drive. | |
| He billed the Clinton campaign for the purchase of the thumb drive that he supposedly gave to the FBI, just as a Good Samaritan, and not on behalf of the Clinton campaign. | |
| Here's, in fact, what an Epoch Times article says in regards to these billing records. | |
| Quote, Al Gore, who was part of the prosecution team, brought the jury's attention back to the billing records from Sussman. | |
| Showing he purchased flash drives on September 13th of 2016 from a Staples around the corner from his office. | |
| The charge was billed to Clinton's campaign. | |
| And so you see what's going on here. | |
| He went to meet with the FBI saying, hey, I'm not coming here on behalf of anyone. | |
| I'm just a private individual. | |
| He handed them a flash drive with all the data on it. | |
| But then three days later, he actually billed the Clinton campaign for that flash drive. | |
| You quite literally cannot make this stuff up. | |
| However, it appears that the jury did not buy it. | |
| They either... | |
| Now, here's where the case gets a little bit tricky and we still need to get clarification on what the jury found. | |
| Because they found him of being not guilty of lying to the FBI. However, what does that actually mean? | |
| Did they find that he did tell the FBI initially that he was representing a client? | |
| Or did they find that he was always being honest about not representing a client? | |
| That part is not exactly clear. | |
| Or it might have been the case that they found that even though he lied, it wasn't material to the FBI's investigation. | |
| Meaning, even though he did lie to the FBI, the FBI would have done it anyway. | |
| Basically, it wasn't material to their investigation. | |
| Perhaps that is what they found. | |
| The third option is the fact that the jury pool is made up of people here in Washington, D.C. who are overwhelmingly Democrat. | |
| In fact, back in the last election in 2020, 93% of people here in Washington, D.C. voted for Joe Biden. | |
| And prior to that, in 2016, 90% of people voted for Hillary Clinton. | |
| And so even though both the defendants and the prosecutors in the case both helped to select the jury pool, Well, when you're working with a very politically charged case like this one, and in a town like this where pretty much 93% of people are Democrats, it's a little bit hard to pick a jury that is not biased. | |
| However, as you can see from John Durham's statement, he did say that he believes in the judicial process and says that he will continue fighting for justice. | |
| Now, in regards to the next steps in John Durham's investigation into the alleged spying that occurred against the Trump campaign... | |
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| In terms of the next steps, the next case that John Durham is working on is the case of Igor Donchenko. | |
| Now, if that name sounds familiar to you, that's because he was the primary source for Christopher Steele when he was putting together the Steele dossier. | |
| Now, this is from an article regarding the case that's coming up in October from the Epoch Times. | |
| Donchenko was indicted in November of 2021 for lying to the FBI, the same type of charge that Sussman faced. | |
| Specifically, Donchenko is alleged to have lied about his own sources, making up a conversation with Sergey Millian, a man he never met, and concealing from the FBI his conversations with Clinton operative Charles Dolan. | |
| However, besides the fact that there are similarities between the Michael Sussman case and this Igor Donchenko case, there are three main differences. | |
| The first is the fact that the Sussman case took place in DC, whereas this Donchenko case will be taking place in Virginia. | |
| Which is actually what I asked John Durham when I was yelling out a question, so he never answered it. | |
| But here's specifically the difference and the impact that it might have on that new case. | |
| Quote, Donchenko talked to the FBI in Washington, but unlike Sussman, he later repeated his lies at his home in Virginia when the FBI came for follow-up interviews. | |
| That Durham chose to charge Donchenko in Virginia where the lies were repeated instead of in Washington where they were first told gives us an insight into how Durham views the Washington jury pool. | |
| Then the second difference between Sussman and Donchenko is the fact that while Sussman was charged for lying just once to the FBI, Donchenko is charged for lying five times. | |
| Here's what the article states, quote, The second big difference is that Donchenko is charged with five lies, not just one. | |
| In fact, an analysis of the only publicly available Donchenko interview transcript appears to show other lies. | |
| However, Durham charged just five, perhaps because he has audio recordings of those lies, which would be another difference between the Sussman and Donchenko cases. | |
| And then lastly, the third big difference between Donchenko and Sussman is the fact that unlike Sussman, Donchenko does not enjoy so much Democratic Party privilege. | |
| Here's what the article goes on to state, quote, Lastly, Donchenko does not enjoy Democratic Party privilege. | |
| Sussman is a high-powered, well-connected Democratic Party lawyer who represented Clinton and who himself is represented by a high-powered team of top lawyers. | |
| Donchenko's situation is very different. | |
| He's a Russian national with few connections. | |
| There will be no special privileges, and he will likely be convicted. | |
| And so we will just have to wait and see what happens with this Donchenko case. | |
| Until then, what I will do is probably in the next few days, maybe early next week, I will put together a Fairly large video documenting all of the developments that came out of the assessment case because there are quite a number of real developments. | |
| Sometimes they were tiny but the implications are large and to explain the implications you need to explain a lot of backstory for each of those cases. | |
| I think there's about seven or eight implications that came out of this case and so we will have to compile them and probably early next week I'll put that video together. | |
| Until then, I guess we have to wait until this Donchenko case. | |
| We will be reaching out to the office of John Durham to get some documents from the Sussman case that we were not actually able to get at the courthouse today because they were sealed. | |
| Maybe we can get them and share them with you. | |
| But until then, if you want to read more about this decision in the Sussman case as well as the upcoming Donchenko case, I will throw everything down into the description box below this video so you can check it out for yourself and learn more about what's going on. | |
| And all I ask in return is that you take a super quick moment Just smash, smash, smash that like button so the YouTube algorithm will share this video out to ever more people and let the truth be known far and wide. | |
| And then, until next time, I'm your host, Roman from The Epoch Times. |
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