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May 9, 2021 - Epoch Times
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Gordon Chang: Communist China's ‘Trying to Overthrow the U.S. Government’ | American Thought Leaders
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China's just overwhelmed our society.
They've overwhelmed FBI, they've overwhelmed local law enforcement, local governments.
We've got to figure out how to deal with this.
Just give you one example.
The representative from California's 15th Congressional District, Eric Swalwell.
In 2015, the FBI told Swalwell that he knew somebody who they suspected was a Ministry of State Security agent, Christine Fang, Fang Fang.
Gotta remember that Xi first contacted Swalwell, not while he was sitting on the House Intel Committee, where of course he would be of great benefit to China.
Xi didn't even contact him for the first time when he was sitting in the House, where of course he also would be important.
Xi first contacted him when he was sitting on the City Council of Dublin City, California.
That means they probably were just looking at Swalwell on the off chance that someday he might become valuable to them.
And this suggests that there's more than one Eric Swalwell.
There could be dozens.
There could probably hundreds of Swalwells, which means that there are dozens and hundreds of Christine Fongs.
We have got to start removing China's influence in our society.
And this is not just Democratic Party.
This is Republican Party, too, because Christine Fong had contacts with Republicans.
So this is just across the American political system right now.
If we're going to save our country, we have got to, on an emergency basis, remove our contacts with China until we get to the point where we can figure out and be assured that we can deal with this.
But right now we can't because they have infiltrated government, they've infiltrated media, academia, business, you name it.
If it's an institution, China has tried to penetrate it.
So all we have is our common sense.
Last year, we know that China incited violence on American streets.
They also organized protesters, from what we can tell, one block north of the White House on the night of May 31st.
That's not confirmed, but it does appear to be true because it mirrors reports of Chinese protesters on American streets in Los Angeles and other Southern California cities.
I mean, these were protesters who were speaking Mandarin, acting in obvious coordination with other Chinese protesters, and actually were overheard saying things that suggested Chinese government involvement.
I mean, this is just one thing after another.
And if we're going to have a country, we're going to have to start removing China's influences because they're overwhelming us.
And we've got a problem in our country talking about China in realistic terms.
Because we have a president who says, well, China's a competitor.
Well, yes, and I suppose in a sense they're a competitor.
But really, a better term would be adversary, and a better term than that would be enemy.
We know that China has talked about the United States in terms of being its enemy.
May 2019, People's Daily, the most authoritative publication in China, declared a quote-unquote people's war on the United States.
And that was a month where that was not just the only piece.
There were two other pieces that talked about the U.S. in militant tones.
So we know that that was not an aberration.
That's the way that they look at us, and we've got to confront that.
Well, and here's the thing.
Of course, you don't want a situation where basically anyone that looks Chinese, you do yourself a little bit, right?
Well, you know...
Being basically thought of as a potential suspect, do we?
Chinese Americans, yeah...
Of course, nobody should be targeted because they're Chinese Americans or whatever.
But Chinese Americans have got to be real.
Many of them have been supporting Beijing.
They've been more loyal to the Communist Party than they've been to the United States.
And Chinese Americans can't think that they can do this and not escape consequences.
So it's important for people who, like me, to actually talk about this and to, you know, No American has an obligation to speak.
You know, in our society, you can be as quiet as you want.
But unfortunately, there have been so many Chinese Americans who have sided with our enemy.
And so it has become as a practical matter necessary for Chinese Americans to speak about this.
Well, tell me a little bit more about what you were saying earlier about fanning the flames of discord and also, you know, the protests and so forth.
What exactly happened?
Well, especially 2020, but this has also been this year as well.
China used its social media platforms, text messages, all the rest of it to create chaos in the United States.
So, for instance, the New York Times reported that in March of last year, China took rumors started by somebody else But they took rumors and they spread them through their social media and text messages that President Trump was going to invoke his powers under the Stafford Act and lock down the entire country.
Now, of course, China knew that was not true, but they did that nonetheless.
You have, for instance, the Chinese Foreign Ministry, March 12th.
You know, you looked at my tweets.
Well, the official Twitter feed of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, March 12th, had that tweet from Zhao Lijian, the spokesman, who said that coronavirus patient zero was in the U.S. That's saying that the disease started here.
And then he suggested that it was the US Army that brought the disease to Wuhan, where of course they know that that's not right.
And that was not just an isolated tweet, because we're hearing this in recent weeks about how the disease probably started in Frederick, Maryland.
Which is where Fort Detrick of the US Army is.
Biological lab.
So this is something that is a consistent theme.
But I'll give you one other example.
The U.S. closed the Houston consulate of China in July of last year.
And the question is, well, why did they pick Houston out?
There were four other consulates.
Well, the State Department said, well, China was using this for espionage.
Well, if that's the rationale, they should have closed all five consulates and they should have stripped down the embassy staff to just the ambassador.
I think that they chose Houston because it was being used to support violent protests in the U.S. So Radio Free Asia reports that an intelligence unit of the People's Liberation Army actually based themselves in the Houston consulate.
From there, they used big data and artificial intelligence to identify Americans likely to participate in Black Lives Matter and Antifa protests, and then sent them videos on how to riot.
They did that through TikTok.
Now, that is more than just subversion.
That's an act of war.
And we have seen, for instance, an official, the China Daily's European bureau chief, October 18th of last year, actually in a tweet urged Americans to go on the streets and throw petrol bombs.
By the way, he was not deplatformed.
But the point is, this is also an act of war.
And there have been a lot of other suspicious reports.
So you add all of this together and you say, well, they're trying to overthrow the U.S. government.
And we don't seem to be doing anything about it.
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