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Feb. 8, 2021 - Epoch Times
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Rand Paul Smacks Down George Stephanopoulous And The Liberal Media | Larry Elder
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Well, as you know, former President Donald Trump has been impeached a second time, this time for allegedly engaging in incitement to insurrection.
The man gave a speech in which he said, I want you to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
He also used the word fight, standard campaign rhetoric.
For that, he's been impeached.
Now, one of those opposed to this ridiculous impeachment and ridiculous forthcoming trial is Rand Paul.
Rand Paul was interviewed by George Stephanopoulos.
I almost said Clintonopoulos.
He used to be a top aide to Bill Clinton for you youngins out there.
That's why it's so ridiculous that this guy is chief news anchor for ABC. But I digress.
George Clintonopoulos had Rand Paul and Amy Klobuchar was supposed to be on the other side to argue the pro-impeachment, pro-conviction case.
But as you can see, she had difficulty with her hearing at first.
Democrat A.B. Klobuchar, Republican Rand Paul.
Senator Klobuchar, let me begin with you.
And we just heard John Carl say that there is some hope, Senator Klobuchar, that there will be some bipartisan support for the president's bill.
Do you believe that or will Democrats have to go it alone?
Hey guys, I'm down.
Sorry, Senator Klobuchar, are you there?
As you can see, Klobuchar had difficulty with her sound.
As a result, he had to go to Rand Paul, and Rand Paul picked up a Louisville Slugger and he hit the ball out of the park, and it is still going.
Okay, let's start with Senator Rand Paul instead.
I think we have some audio problems right there.
Senator Paul, let me begin with a threshold question for you.
This election was not stolen.
Do you accept that fact?
Well, what I would say is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur.
Notice Rand Paul didn't take the bait.
Do you think this election is stolen?
I'm not going to let you define how I perceive this election, said Rand Paul.
Well done.
We never had any presentation in court where we actually looked to the evidence.
Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.
Do you know this man is not a lawyer?
He's an ophthalmologist, an eye doctor.
Sounds like Perry Mason.
I'm impressed.
There were several states in which the law was changed by the Secretary of State and not the state legislature.
To me, those are clearly unconstitutional, and I think there's still a chance that those actually do finally work their way up to the Supreme Court.
Notice Clintonopolis has not interrupted him yet.
The man, you can just tell, is seething, and Amy Klobuchar is nowhere to be found, so he has to deal with Rand Paul one-on-one, and it didn't go well for Mr.
Clintonopolis.
Courts traditionally and historically don't like to hear election questions, but yes, were there people who voted twice?
Were there dead people who voted?
Were there illegal aliens who voted?
Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it.
Dead people?
Illegal people voting?
So far, Clintonopolis hasn't said a word.
You know he's waiting to pounce, or he thinks he wants to pounce.
Here's what happens.
I'll give you an example.
In my state, when we had a Democrat secretary of state, she refused, even under federal order, to purge the roles of illegal voters.
We got a Republican secretary of state, and he purged the roles.
It does make a difference, and those things do have to occur.
I have to stop you there.
Clinton awfully said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I gotta stop you.
I can't take this anymore.
No election is perfect, but there were 86 challenges filed by President Trump and his allies in court.
All were dismissed.
Every state certified the results after investigations counts and recounts.
The Department of Justice, led by William Barr, said there's no widespread evidence of fraud.
Can't you just say the words, this election was not stolen?
Nice try, Clintonopolis.
Stolen?
You're not dealing with a rookie here.
What I would suggest is that if we want greater confidence in our elections, and 75% of Republicans agree with me, is that we do need to look at election integrity, and we do need to see if we can restore confidence in the elections.
Well, 75% of Republicans agree with you because they were fed a big lie by President Trump and his supporters who say the election was stolen.
Big lie, the election was stolen.
For four years, Hillary has argued that Donald Trump is an illegitimate president, and she has used the dreaded S-word.
Stolen many times, which is why 78% of Democrats, 78% believe not just that the Russians interfered, but that the Russian interference changed the outcome of the election, which the intel community has never said.
And Donald Trump says the election is stolen.
Oh my God!
He is citing an insurrection.
It's unstable for our democracy.
He's undermining our republic.
He'll reset it for years.
Did you guys say anything?
Why can't you say President Biden won a legitimate and fair election?
Hey George, George, George, where you make a mistake is that people coming from the liberal side like you, you immediately say everything's a lie instead of saying there are two sides to everything.
The only thing that I would have advised Senator Rand Paul to do at this point is to remind the viewers that this man, George Clintonopolis, used to be a top aide to Bill Clinton, a top campaign aide to Bill Clinton.
And then all of a sudden now he's chief news anchor for ABC News.
It's a joke.
And I think most young people below a certain age have no idea that George Clintonopolis is connected to the Democrats the way he is.
Rand Paul could have reminded people of that, but he didn't do it.
But he did a very, very good job.
Let's go forward.
Historically, what would happen is if I said that I thought there was fraud, you would interview someone else who said there wasn't.
But now you insert yourself in the middle and say the absolute fact is that everything I'm saying is a lie.
Well, because, Senator, I said what the president said was a lie because he said, hold on a second.
He said the election was stolen.
This election was not stolen.
The results were certified in every single state after counts and recounts.
You're saying there was no fraud and it's all been investigated.
That's just not true.
That's not what I said, sir.
I said the Department of Justice found no evidence.
Let me finish my point.
You said something that was not true.
You say we're all liars.
The word stolen means intent to deceive.
Is it at all possible, just possible, that Donald Trump believes the election was in fact stolen?
Remember, according to Steve Karnacki of MSNB Hee Haw, and they hate Donald Trump's guts, 40,000 votes in just three states would have swung the election in favor of Donald Trump.
Shoe on the other foot, if 40,000 votes would have swung the election for Joe Biden and Donald Trump was declared the winner, you're telling me the Democrats would be going, nothing to see here, no fraud, no voter irregularity, no legal limits were blown past by non-elected officials.
Ah, it's okay.
Are you kidding?
You're just simply saying we're all liars.
I said it was a lie that the election was stolen.
Do journalists say things like that?
I said it's a lie that the election was stolen.
How about others say it's a lie that the election was stolen?
So-and-so claims it's a lie that the election was stolen.
You are supposedly a journalist, nonpartisan, fair and balanced, but you have made a determination that it is a lie, flat-out lie, that the election was stolen.
That's not your job.
And Rand Paul reminded him that is not, in fact, your job.
...premise that you're right and we're wrong.
Well, let's talk about the specifics of it.
In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of absentee votes had only the name on them and no address.
Historically, those were thrown out.
This time they weren't.
They made special accommodations because they said, oh, it's a pandemic, and people forgot what their address was.
So they changed the law after the fact.
Fact, fact, fact.
Don't you hate the F word?
That is wrong.
That's unconstitutional.
And I plan on spending the next two years going around state to state and fixing these problems.
And I won't be cowed by liberals in the media who say, there's no evidence here and you're a liar if you talk about election fraud.
No, let's have an open debate.
It's a free country.
And I'm not going to be cowed by people like you telling me that I'm a liar.
It's a fraud.
Ouch.
And notice when he said it's a free country, there was a pregnant pause.
We'll back up a little bit.
Hear it again.
It is a free country.
You see the pause.
Poor Clintonopolis.
He's going, Amy Klobuchar, come back.
Help me out here.
There's no widespread evidence of election fraud that overturned the results.
That was stated as well by the Department of Justice led by President Trump's Attorney General.
Notice he says there's no widespread evidence of fraud.
It used to be that there was no evidence of fraud.
Now it's no widespread evidence of fraud.
So you're admitting that there was some fraud.
It just wasn't widespread.
One more time.
Imagine had Joe Biden lost by 40,000 votes in three states and the Trump administration was saying, well, there's no widespread evidence of fraud.
Can you imagine?
they'd run out of pitchforks.
In Wisconsin, there were counts and recounts.
We never studied that.
Even that's not true.
Barr said that.
But there was, yes, he said that, yes.
That was a pronouncement.
And by the way, what A.G. Barr actually said was that there was no widespread evidence so far.
But I digress.
There has been no examination, thorough examination of all the states to see what problems we had and see if they could fix them.
Now let me say, to be clear, I voted to certify the state electors because I think it would be wrong for Congress to overturn that.
What Rand Paul is saying is, I voted to certify the election, but I also wanted there to be a hearing on these issues so that the 74 million people who voted for Donald Trump will know that they voted for an election that was done fair and square.
That's what he said.
He didn't even vote to overturn the election.
This thing on?
But at the same time, I'm not willing just to sit here and say, oh, everybody on the Republican side is a liar and there is no fraud.
No, there were lots of problems and there were secretaries of state who illegally changed the law and that needs to be fixed and I'm going to work hard to fix it and I won't be cowed by people saying, oh, you're a liar.
That's the problem with the media today is they say all Republicans are liars and everything we say is a lie.
There are two sides to every story.
Interview somebody on the other side, but don't insert yourself into the story to say we're all liars because we do some fraud in the election.
There are not two sides to the story.
This has been looked at in every single state.
Oh, sure there are.
There are two sides to every story.
George, Mr.
Chief News Anchor says there are not two sides to the story.
Wow.
You're forgetting who you are.
You're forgetting who you are as a journalist.
Clintonopolis is a journalist?
You think there's only one side.
You're inserting yourself into the story to say, I'm a liar because I want to look at election fraud and I want to look at secretaries of state who illegally changed the voter laws without the permission of their state legislatures.
That is incontrovertible.
It happened.
And you can't just sweep that under the rug and say, oh, nothing to see here.
And everybody's a liar.
And you're a fool if you bring this up.
I thought somebody was going to have to have a cut man.
Stop the bleeding.
You're inserting yourself into the story.
A journalist would hear both sides and there are two sides of this story.
I'm standing by facts.
There are not two sides to facts.
I did not say that this was a perfect election.
I said the results were certified.
I said it was not stolen.
You're saying people are liars if they want to investigate what happened in the election.
And that is the point.
What the left is saying is you are a liar if you just want to investigate, just want to make sure there weren't shenanigans in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin, and in Georgia.
And again, Senator Paul didn't even vote to overturn the election.
He wanted there to be a hearing, 10-day hearing before the new president is certified.
What's the problem?
Should we investigate the fact that tens of thousands of absentee ballots did not have addresses on them and normally were disqualified, but this time they were counted?
Should we examine that?
I don't know whether it affected the election or not, but I have an open mind.
I don't know whether it affected the election or not, he said, but it ought to be investigated.
Is that too much to ask?
And if we actually examine this and we find out it didn't, that's fine, but it still should be fixed.
There can be more investigations.
The investigations that have taken place have shown there is not enough fraud.
Not enough fraud.
So you're conceding there was fraud.
So you don't understand why 74 million Americans want to have some assurance that they weren't ripped off?
To change the results of this election, that has been certified by every state.
It was stated by the Justice Department and the Attorney General.
And I accepted the state certifications, but it doesn't mean that I think that there wasn't fraud and that there weren't problems that have to be investigated, and it doesn't mean that the law wasn't broken.
I believe in Pennsylvania they broke the law, and I believe if that ever would get a real hearing in the Supreme Court, it was denied for standing, it wasn't actually taken up.
If it were taken up, I do believe that the Supreme Court would overrule and say that they did break the law illegally.
Again, the only reason Senator Rand Paul had all this time is because Amy Klobuchar was having difficulty on her end with her sound.
And so Rand Paul had all of this ammo that he unleashed on this man.
I asked you a very simple question.
Was the election stolen or not?
Was this the fourth time now?
I think there was a great deal of evidence of fraud and changing of the election laws illegally.
And I think a thorough investigation is warranted.
Senator Paul, thanks for your time this morning.
Senator Paul, thank you for your time.
Now get the hell out of here.
What do you think the over-under is on when Senator Paul is invited back for round number two?
We've got a country to save.
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