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Kash Patel’s personal lawyer and chair of his foundation – filed a bizarre lawsuit accusing Elijah Schaffer of having “perpetuated a malicious lie about Alexis Wilkins, falsely claiming that she – an American-born country singer – is an agent of a foreign government, assigned to manipulate and compromise the Director.”
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Well, it looks like Kash Patel's law firm was involved allegedly in a very real lawsuit, particularly this time by his girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins.
If you can go to my screen here, thegrayzone.com reported that Alexis Wilkins is a plaintiff in a $5 million lawfare event, is what we're calling it.
As you can see on the screen, I have a printout here of the article as well.
You can see my full video response if you want to share with people on x.com, where she insinuates that I meant to call her a honeypot for the Israeli Mossad regime, which I've never done.
Just want to clarify that up front.
And now wants the exact evaluation of my company, which only implies that if I can't come up with that, which most independent podcasters cannot or do not, that she would like to probably take my assets, shut down my company, and silence my voice.
Excellent reporting by Max Blumenthal, who will be on the show in just a moment.
We have the entire breakdown of what this means, not just for this show, but for the entire situation of the American people.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
It is approximately 7:20 p.m. Eastern Time in the United States.
Before we jump into that, I want to remind you guys: you know, we are living in a very important age in our period and in our history where people are going out of their way to defend, particularly the regime of Israel.
Just the other day, there was a clip that came out that I want to play to you of my old boss and confidant, Glenn Beck, who said something very interesting while on the tape with Gillian Michaels.
I want you to catch this.
He states for the record here: you cannot defend America without defending Israel.
I did a chalkboard and everybody, even those on the right, said he's a crazy conspiracy theorist and it doesn't make any sense.
I did a chalkboard and I did it every night.
And I said, Islamic, the Islamists, communists, anarchists, socialist revolutionaries will all work together to destabilize first Israel, then Europe, and then the rest of the world, and it will finally come to America.
And everybody said their argument was that they're never, they don't get along.
What are you talking about?
Socialists and anarchists, socialists, communists, they want giant state.
If we do not fight for the state of Israel and we do not protect Israel, we will not have the United States of America.
And this very notion that I've pointed out since I've been at Blaze TV, since I've been accused multiple times of undermining the American regime has simply been one criticism.
The obsession with the conservative establishment and the Democrat establishment with pleasing Israel has been an absurd stain on the reputation of our country and has prevented us from achieving any type of progress as a country as we spend trillions of dollars fighting foreign wars.
That's all I say instead of helping our own people.
Joining me today, the author of this article and expose that has been absolutely leaked by some very, very, very interesting individuals in the media we'll talk about later, Josh Hammer, Barry Wise, and others, is a new development that I, myself and many others are being sued.
And in order to bring credibility to this, Max Blumenthal, the founder and probably the lead editor and one of the writers there at the Gray Zone, welcome back to the show.
So look, look, man, I'm very happy to have your notes.
It's a bit off Kelter here.
We're in the middle of a very strange and interesting time.
But I want to bring up your article here because I think the work is in itself.
Check this out.
You can bring us on the screen together.
You guys just dropped this, the gray zone titled, Kash Patel's Girlfriend Files $5 million lawsuit against podcaster for quote insinuation that she's a Ma Saud honeypot.
And I want to start out here with you on this.
Your talk, it says here that Mired in a scandal over his leadership, the FBI director is lashing out against MAGA influencers for mocking his girlfriend as a Mazad honeypot and activating his legal network to slap them with frivolous multi-million dollar lawsuits.
The wind was at Kash Patel's back in the early months of 2023.
It was during this period that the Trump-aligned legal operative met Alexis Wilkins, then a 24-year-old wannabe country music star who would become his girlfriend and launched his foundation, Fight with Cash, which pledged to unite America first patriots to fight the deep state.
With a telegenic Wilkins by his side, Patel seemed to be living out the Quixotic storyline of the children's book he had co-authored earlier that year, The Plot Against the King, in which a fairytale hero named Knight Cash embarks on a spree of revenge against the enemies of King Donald.
But almost three years later, Patel's tenure as FBI director appears to be unraveling in a series of embarrassing congressional testimonies and public meltdowns related to his suppression of Jeffrey Epstein's client list.
Patel recently activated his legal network to fire back against his most voracious critics.
However, the targets of his wrath are not deep state liberals or anyone resembling the Hillary Queentown villain from his children's books, but the most ideologically zealous voices of the America First Movement, whom he's accused of slandering his girlfriend.
Quote, the disgustingly baseless attacks against Alexis, a true patriot and the woman I'm proud to call my partner in life are beyond pathetic, he said on X. Attacking her isn't just wrong.
It's cowardly and jeopardized our safety, meaning he's aware of these, quote, attacks, which some may just call free speech.
Let's just start there, Max.
So people have criticized her, claim that she's part of Mossad.
I want to clarify, I never have, nor am I being accused to have ever said that, but people are questioning, does she have some sort of position?
And he's saying that questions about his girlfriend's link to intelligence, questions about the ability for him to remain uncompromised, despite being unmarried, that these are attacks.
Well, I think the question now is: what role is he playing in these lawsuits?
Because these lawsuits are being filed by his girlfriend.
But if you look closer, Jesse Benal is the lawyer whose law firm is taking these lawsuits.
And he's the chair of Kash Patel's foundation, which was supposed to wage all of these punishing legal attacks on the deep state.
And now they're going after you.
They're going after the MAGA grassroots because Trump Incorporated is losing credibility.
And Jesse Benal is his personal lawyer.
So I think it's pretty fair to say that Kash Patel has activated his legal network against some of the key voices of the America First movement.
And he, at the same time, has lost credibility within the Trump administration.
After Charlie Kirk was shot, Kash Patel was caught having dinner at an exclusive Upper Eastside Manhattan restaurant where it said that it takes weeks to get a reservation.
And he tweeted from that restaurant, apparently, that the suspect, no, he called it the subject, was in custody, like they had got their man.
It turned out they hadn't got their man.
And then 90 minutes later, probably from the same restaurant, he tweets the subject has been let go.
And he lost all credibility within the administration at that point.
And this was following three months earlier the memo that the FBI signed on to with the DOJ to not release the Epstein files, which is when, you know, within the movement that the America First movement, to which he promised to get to the bottom of this criminal saga and produced the full Epstein client list, it was there that he lost his credibility.
And now this to me is like the final blow.
This is like, this is a huge scandal.
He is filing a $5 million lawsuit against you for the most absurd, bizarre, laughable reason that I have ever seen.
That you quote tweeted a photo, a real photo, like not an AI photo to make them look bad, a real photo of him arm in arm with his girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, her in a red cocktail dress.
They're going to a formal event over a separate post by an Israel lobbyist named Hen Mazig, who was boasting about how Israel had set all these honey traps up inside Iran through the Mossad.
And, you know, you look at that post and it's just funny.
It's hilarious.
It's obvious satire to me from my point of view.
I can't say that I know what's in your mind, but this lawsuit against you, they say they acknowledge that you are insinuating something, but at the same time, they say you know exactly what you were doing.
And this is therefore slander and defamation.
But in the United States, the law is that you have to prove malicious intent, that you had prepared to damage her career and like set up some vast conspiracy to destroy her reputation when hundreds of people were making this same connection, mostly satirically, in order to dramatize their feeling that the entire Trump administration had come under the influence of a foreign government.
And this related back to Jeffrey Epstein, who we know has been connected to the Mossad.
So, I mean, I'm looking here at one of the craziest attempts at lawfare by an FBI director hiding behind his girlfriend to shut down people basically making satirical posts about his girlfriend.
I've never seen an FBI director in the U.S. do this before.
And I've never seen one so thin-skinned that he's actually issuing posts, long, breathless posts attacking people for calling them internet anarchists and saying that Alexis Wilkins has done more for this country than they will do in 10 lifetimes, directing it at the movement that got Trump into power.
It's just something I've never seen before.
It's unprecedented and it should be a much bigger scandal.
But, you know, maybe the media hadn't seen this.
lawsuit against you before, but I hope they do now and understand what a real threat this is to the First Amendment.
And I also, I wasn't able to even get your reaction to it.
I couldn't get it.
I got some great comments from your lawyer, but I would love to hear what you have to say.
I'm just changing something on our title here real quickly.
But yeah, so basically my response, I did put out a video response.
I want to go to my screen so people know, and I'm going to throw it in the chat here because I want you guys to be able to share this.
So if you could bring this up on my, on, on the screen here to the producer, I went ahead and put this up.
So if you're watching here on the chat as well, I want to make sure that I'm able to get this to you guys and share this in the link with the YouTube audience.
And of course, as well, with the Rumble audience, we'll go ahead and throw that in the chat.
But where I want to stand on is this.
I was alerted, Max, that I was being sued for $5 million, which is not an arbitrary amount of money.
It's significant for two reasons.
Even people that are millionaires typically do not have $5 million of liquid cash.
$5 million can usually only be extracted through the liquidation of assets.
This would either be an assault on my home or what people know, what is my greatest asset?
It would be my media company, the very company that they are claiming that I'm making this baseless claim off of that I've never even said, right?
They're accusing me of making a claim I never stated, which is a weird insinuation.
But then they want the evaluation of my company, which was just recently publicly evaluated and that number is public.
So they chose the exact number of the value of my company, which is a very, very strategic number.
It didn't just come from nowhere.
It came from intentionally trying to ensure that they had the ability to shut down my company, Rift TV, which I believe is why they also intentionally included a ton of posts about my criticisms of the Israeli government occupying the United States government because their attempt was to shut this company down.
I believe that fullheartedly and without a shadow of a doubt.
Okay, I've dealt with the FBI from January 6th on.
I've had the Department of Homeland Security been detained.
They've broken my leg on an assault in Portland.
I've been arrested by the Secret Service at Trump's Miami golf club under charges of unlawful firearm ownership in a restricted area.
I've had them take my car.
I work inside the government.
I'm not unfamiliar with this.
So I know how they work.
I know what they try to do.
And I would say this, it's insane for two reasons to do this.
Even if I did insinuate what they said or questioned, I didn't make any factual claims and I didn't do it with malice.
So if someone were to just make a suggestion, a joke, or a meme a private citizen, you're telling me that private citizens could be sued, bankrupted, have their livelihood taken from them for just retweeting somebody?
That's along the precedent of what we see in Australia and in the United Kingdom, countries without First Amendment rights, that you can ruin their lives over retweeting somebody.
Also, the quote tweet that I did was a picture with no caption in which I want to read this, which I think is hilarious.
They admit in the lawsuit that I did not say anything at all.
In fact, it's dystopian, beyond embarrassing.
It's dystopian.
says in in section 14 the defendant myself may not have included any caption to spell out the meaning of his post so he didn't say what he meant he didn't have to it says ever since Kash Patel was appointed as director of the fbi in february of 2025 the conspiratorial corners of the internet and social media have been spreading a false narrative that miss wilkins is an israeli massad agent it doesn't say i was spreading it doesn't say my company was spreading it says other people you don't even know if i'm not even admitting that i knew that at the time that i that i posted that picture I never even said that I knew that.
What if you assume I've read everything you've read?
I don't know.
People probably say that you're demons and drink baby blood and that, you know, you guys run a, you guys are probably involved in raping kids in Epstein Island and stuff.
I'm sure people have said crazy things like that.
I'm not saying that and I'm not endorsing that, but I'm not, don't assume I've read that.
But two, it's even crazier.
And I want to bring you in here.
It's even crazier because they're suing me over what I implied in my head, over what I meant.
Because even the tweet that talks about Mossad didn't mention her.
That photo could have been posted about Cash.
That could be about the need.
I could have been like, man, we got to really make sure that our government officials are being careful.
He better look out for his agents or something like that.
They have taken something that many people implied was humorous to then mean malicious intent and also to bankrupt me over it.
It is not only am I not cooked in this in his lawsuit, it's laughable.
And I do believe these, this is what I want to ask you.
Two things I brought up.
If Kash Patel knew about this and your research is correct, that this was his law firm, this cast doubt on his ability to be the FBI director because he is putting into jeopardy discovery.
We want to go into discovery.
I want their communications.
I'm going to go after the communications of Kash Patel and his girlfriend.
I want to know if he knew about this.
I want to know what she told him.
I want to know if he's been telling her intelligence things that are related to this that would make her ability to be compromised.
I want to know all of these things because that's what I want to know.
So you don't get to tell me what I want to know because if you're saying that I said this and you want to try to prove it, then I want to see if you can disprove it, right?
Show me that you're not this, that you don't have compromising information.
And two, if he didn't know it, he should also step down because if his resources are being used by his girlfriend and he's not approving it, then why the hell is he the FBI director?
This is a shot in their own foot.
And I just want to know what you think about that personally because I, yeah, like you asked me, I don't, I'm not going to say what I meant by it because I don't, I, I don't, I didn't mean anything malintent by it.
I just posted a picture that other people have posted and I don't have to have an explanation or a meaning of why I've done what I've done.
I just put it up because I'm allowed to do so.
And there's no, I don't have to give a defense to any government official to use and exercise my First Amendment to post a public picture of two public figures.
I'll just end with this.
You go, well, she's a private citizen.
No, no, no, no.
Cash has said she's a star country music singer.
So she is a, she's a very famous, she's like up there with Morgan Wallen.
To establish malicious content, the bar for a government official is much, much higher, if not impossible.
And for a celebrity or someone who positions themselves themselves as a celebrity, it's pretty high as well.
Kash Patel is a government official.
You should be questioning government officials.
He's even said, feel free to go after me.
And therefore, you can question their personal relationships.
And it's as although I say in the piece that the theory that Alexis Wilkins is a Mossad agent who was assigned by Tel Aviv to turn out Kash Patel in order to manipulate him on the Epstein case or whatever, I always just, I just reacted with laughter the first time I saw that.
I thought that was hilarious.
I say it's unsubstantiated, but it's derived from a real truth, which is that she has done work for or created content for PragerU, which is a pro-Israel propaganda hub that embeds itself within the conservative movement and is run by Marissa Strait, who proudly declares in her bio that she was a member of Israel's Unit 8200 cyber spying division.
She was an Israeli intelligence officer.
So those who are saying this about Alexis Wilkins, even if it's completely untrue, are building off a certain truth.
And that's all successful conspiracy theories build off truth.
So the mainstream media never mentions that fact about it.
And that also makes it harder for them to prove malicious intent against you.
They basically have to find messages from you declaring to your colleagues that you really want to destroy her career and you want to wreck Kash Patel.
Not that you're just like firing off a satirical post like we all do right when we see something.
And they're not, I don't, I highly doubt they're going to be able to establish that.
Talk to your lawyer, Onir Lopez, who's very experienced in these cases.
He said he's never seen anything like this in his entire career and that everyone should be able to question government officials, but you didn't even raise a question.
You didn't even do that.
You just tweeted a photograph that was real.
The second point is, as you said, Kash Patel has opened himself up to discovery.
He appears by using his own legal network, by using a law firm run by the chair of his foundation, who has served as his personal lawyer.
He makes himself a witness here.
And your lawyer, Onir Lopez, has told me that he 100% intends to seek discovery.
And that's exactly what I would do in his position.
But for Kash Patel, let's say these text messages come out.
I mean, as a journalist, this would be, you know, an enormous amount of transparency that we could write hundreds of stories on because you never know what he's going to be chatting with Alexis Wilkins about.
Was she even at the dinner?
Was she his dinner guest in the Upper East Side when he was tweeting out false information about the FBI's Charlie Kirk investigation moments after Charlie Kirk was killed?
There's so much that could come out.
And so you're right.
He shot himself in the foot.
This could be the final blow to him as FBI director if you get discovery.
But the idea that you would open yourself up to that possibility as FBI director is almost incomprehensible.
It shows like a complete lack of tradecraft.
And I question, I honestly, I didn't believe this lawsuit was real when I first saw it.
And, you know, I had to see like it was being mentioned elsewhere in mainstream media for me to really confirm that it was real because it's so absurd and it's so potentially damaging to the FBI director's own operational security.
And I, okay, and I want to bring up what I think this is actually about.
And this is the point.
It is embarrassing.
They need to withdraw it before they go into discovery because it is potentially compromising to themselves and to national security.
And they've walked into a position to where they're not, they're messing with the American people.
This is not a joke.
Like they can go after maybe Sam Parker or somebody who thought, okay, we can squash in.
Maybe that's what we'll do.
I think they underestimated what my team's capable of and the support that we have from individuals and what we're able to actually do.
Because this is not a, this is not going to be a one-time thing.
They get away with this.
This is going to set a precedent that, like the United Kingdom, that you can now be sued for what someone feels you meant by what you said, which is very much against the American values, very much against our constitutional liberties.
You can't just be like, well, I, you know, oh, someone said, hey, see you later.
And you're like, they told me that because I was a Pakistani.
It's like, well, I didn't say that.
Well, I felt like that because you made me feel uncomfortable because there's a lot of Pakistani, you know, hate going around the UK these days.
And it's like, well, yeah, but how do you know I meant that?
It's like the court orders, you know, two years in prison over a post.
It's like, well, do you want that in America, Americans?
Like, that's a good question.
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Joining me today is the author of today's article and also the founder of the Gray Zone, a publication that I believe is in many ways, some say nonpartisan and is a truth and fact-seeking article.
Go to my screen here, producer, if we can here.
So where we open up into section 17 of the lawsuit, like you said, it is embarrassing.
It states that me, the defendant, like it says that I never said anything about Alexis Wilkins.
And I'd like to repeat, because all this is probably admissible in court, I've never privately said anything that Alexis Wilkins or publicly said Alexis Wilkins is at all paid for or tried to prove or even suggest that she's paid for by the government.
I think a lot of people like to joke about that online.
Not her particularly, but the $7,000 club.
You know, everyone likes, it's a joke, right, online.
So even if I was joking, which I wasn't, or I meant something, which I didn't, really, $5 million over memes, over online humor?
That's what this is about.
It's like, I'm not even, I'm not in a defense mode.
I'm not like, I swear I didn't do it.
I'm going, look, and not only did I, not only did I not do it, but you're now, you don't even have anything.
You have nothing.
And if you, if you can do this to me, what are you going to try to do to other people?
I'm not going to stand for this for you, the American people.
It says here, defendant frequently posts anti-Israel rhetoric accusing Israel of controlling the United States.
They posted several posts of me.
This is the entire evidence.
Me saying Trump doesn't want to admit that Netanyahu doesn't fear him.
Israel has more control over the USA than we do over them.
Our politicians are hookline and sinkers sold out to the Jewish state regime.
It's genuinely disheartening.
We must remove these parasites from APAC.
This is in response to disclosed TVs.
Israeli officials say Trump approved Iran attack.
And yeah, I was against the Iran attack.
But Max, what do you think about this?
I mean, you thought it was already ridiculous, but then it's like the evidence is not even about Alexis.
It's all about cash and criticisms against the state of Israel.
That seems odd, irrelevant, and somewhat almost, again, embarrassing and makes one assume is there other intent behind this?
I think actually most of this lawsuit relates to your opinions, not about Alexis Wilkins or Kash Patel, but about Israel, which is disturbing and would set a precedent if this somehow succeeded against you and they took your media outlet and they took everything and all your assets.
The only reason I could think they would do this is to try to market this lawsuit to a jury and a judge and convince them that you're just a terrible person who's some kind of anti-Israel Nazi.
But then it would set a precedent in which anyone who expresses similar opinions about Israel could be sued and taken to court and have all of their assets taken.
And so this is a full-on attack on the First Amendment, on freedom of association, on everyone who just witnessed two years of genocide committed by Israel in the Gaza Strip and is witnessing Israel bombing South Lebanon right now and preparing to bomb Iran and doesn't like it.
It's intended to have a chilling effect on all of them, directed by someone, the FBI director, who said that America needs to prioritize Israel in a December 4th, 2024 interview when he was vying for the position of FBI director.
Think about that.
America needs to prioritize Israel.
No, America needs to prioritize America.
And if you're America First, as he marketed himself, why wouldn't you just say that?
You're saying America needs to prioritize a foreign nation?
Now he's suing you because you said that Israel clearly influences the Trump administration into carrying out policies and wars that contradict American national security interests, like the war against Iran that the U.S. waged on Israel's behalf, as Trump has freely admitted to doing.
I mean, how is that not First Amendment protected speech?
And how is what you are saying not completely righteous from an America First point of view or from a pro-peace point of view?
So this goes well beyond just you or taking out your assets.
It's a threat against the entire American public and particularly the part of the American public that is America First in a principled way or pro-peace in a principled way.
And that's one reason why I was so disturbed by it, because I'm very outspoken in what I think about Israel.
And I've also faced slapsuits.
And the slapsuit that I faced, it contained similar characteristics where they were trying to make me out to be someone who was anti-Israel, who was pro-Russian, whose opinions on foreign policy were way outside the U.S. mainstream in order to in hopes that some judge would just be disgusted by me and declare me a traitor and give them what they wanted.
And the lawyer who was working pro bono for the plaintiff was actually someone who had been deeply affiliated with the Israel lobby in the United States and seemed to be doing it out of ideological conviction.
So, you know, you're facing the same thing.
Anyone, whatever they think about your views on any issue, they should be disgusted by this if they believe in the First Amendment.
And I want to say, you know, shout out to everyone shedding light onto this, but to people like this, like the general, which these things, it's trending right now on X, which is good work, Max.
I think it's fantastic to see things, you know, getting that traction.
You guys broke the story.
But, you know, people are saying Kash Patel girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, has filed a $5 million lawsuit against America First influencers, Sam Parker and Elijah Schaefer for allegedly insinuating she's a Mossad honeypot.
Now, that I just want to break this down for people to just join the stream.
We are not being sued for saying something.
We're being sued for what she thinks we were thinking when we said nothing.
I mean, this is not a joke.
That's literally the lawsuit.
I want to repeat that.
We are not being sued for saying something illegal, defamatory, which is also illegal, slanderous, which if there's malintent could be illegal, or even rude.
We are being sued for what she thinks we thought in our brains while we did something without words.
That is called mental illness.
And that is called paranoia.
And that is called being somewhat of an imbalanced person.
And I don't, I'm not saying she is mentally ill.
I'm not saying that she is imbalanced or that she is somehow problematic.
I don't really have an opinion of her.
But to me, if somebody is paranoid and doing those kind of things, that is the kind of ideas that I feel like from somebody that's like that.
Now, this may not be from her.
The reason why I can't accuse her of it, this could not be from her.
That's the question.
Is this from her?
I'm not going to accuse her of being anything that people might accuse her of in this because that's what we want to know, Max.
We want to know, was this Kash Patel?
Because if this was his legal firm and he was aware of this, is this a proxy lawsuit that he's going after his enemies?
I've been very critical of Cash's handling of the Epstein files, very critical of Kash Patel's handling of just about everything that we've seen out of him, including his disastrous interview with Maria Baratromo and Dan Bongino.
I think that's what it was, where they were sweating and scared and tapping each other and looking and very odd that it seemed like maybe he's the one who is paranoid and stupid and acting in an erratic way to try to use his girlfriend's name in order to come after private assistance.
I don't know.
And I just want to legally hold my language and say, that's what I've heard from other people.
That's what people have been saying.
The things I just mentioned, they're not my opinions.
They're the opinions of the general public and what people are saying in the comments on what they feel she's saying, what they feel he is saying.
But I'm here left speechless.
And I'm going, the fact that we can't, the fact that we don't know that Cash is involved in this, that's what I feel like is the most scary part.
And it could be a slap lawsuit like Russia Gate, where they couldn't get Trump.
So they go after other people.
I want to know, is it that Cash couldn't go after me?
So he uses his girlfriend?
Or is it that they can't get Candace?
They can't get Owens.
They can't get Carlson because they have big bank accounts.
So instead of going after them, they'll go after people in the circle like they went after Trump's associates of false claims that we're all against Israel.
They go after the next best thing they can get, which is Rift TV.
I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but there's a lot of questions I have.
And I'm going to hold my tongue from making any conclusions, but I do have a lot of questions.
And I'm not accusing, I just want to say, repeat, I'm not accusing Cash of doing anything.
I'm not accusing her of doing anything, but I do have a physical legal docket of a lawsuit that has her name on it that allegedly was filed by his law team.
And that makes me wonder, why me and why such a serious set of damages from something that I never said?
I would question also why Kyle Serafin, well, he's a former FBI agent who's been an outspoken critic of Kash Patel's conduct as FBI director.
Why Sam Parker?
Sam Parker is sort of a self-proclaimed America First influencer, former congressional candidate who has produced these detailed threads about Alexis Wilkins.
Think he's gone into much more detail than you did.
And he doesn't seem to have any institutional support behind him.
So he might be a softer target.
I don't know what the thinking is here, but I noticed like Tyler Boyer from TPUSA is threatening to sue Stew Peters, the podcaster, for basically promoting material that Candace Owens already, comments that Candace Owens already said, but he's not suing Candace Owens.
So he's going for the softer target who probably has less institutional support.
And that raises a lot of questions.
I don't know the answer, but I mean, I'm noticing these patterns here.
And it's very repressive, authoritarian behavior on the part of these figures.
TPUSA, they have like an 80 million to $100 million war chest that they can use for lawsuits.
Kash Patel, he's the FBI director.
He's using his legal, it looks like he's using his legal network with his girlfriend, as you said, as a proxy, kind of hiding behind his girlfriend to muzzle criticism of his personal private relationship at a time when his leadership and his credibility seems to be collapsing within the Trump administration, following yet another scandal or controversy involving his girlfriend.
Earlier this month, Kash Patel flew out on a $60 million FBI jet to State College, Pennsylvania to see Alexis Wilkins sing the Star Spangled Banner at a pro wrestling match.
And the media picked up on it.
He's using taxpayer money to go on a date night, flying out of Las Vegas on a private jet.
And how does Kash Patel respond?
Well, there's the lengthy, breathless Twitter post denouncing internet anarchists, but he also fired the 27-year FBI veteran.
What is his name?
His name is Steven Palmer, who is in charge of the FBI's fleet of planes.
So he fires him and he goes to, apparently, the FBI went to Flight Aware and has now blocked them from monitoring the jet that Kash Patel uses on the taxpayer dime to go at least on one date night with Alexis Wilkins.
So he's going after everybody.
And as you said, this seems, this is like paranoid behavior.
I don't know how any FBI director could get away with it.
I don't understand how he can last much longer, especially if he's opening himself up to discovery from his defendants in a case in which he appears to have made himself a witness.
I mean, why not go find some other law firm where there's sort of deniability there?
He doesn't even do that.
He uses the chair of his own foundation to go after you guys.
Yeah, well, like, I'm going to be completely frank.
I shared a picture of him, and I think this is what the lawsuit's about.
If you can bring it up on the screen here, I shared this image, pretty much went viral, and it's just a photoshopped image of one of his eyes going in a weird direction.
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And again, I didn't mean anything to even mean anything by this.
Like, are we not allowed to just be funny on the internet, right?
Like, is it a crime to laugh, right?
And sorry, take it off.
This is a serious show.
Take it off.
But, but, but I meant, I meant, you know, I think like, you know, if he's, if he's allowing himself to be petty over things like this, which some would say he's being petty, how can we trust this guy with running the FBI?
I think Candice Owens is right.
I want to bring this up here for a second.
I don't know if, did you see Candice Owens' response to this, what she said?
In fact, Everyone online seems to be following your work, which is absolutely incredible.
She said this.
She said, Kash Patel has to step down.
This is excruciatingly embarrassing.
He's a teenager in love representing the federal government.
And that's basically what she's saying.
He's like acting like, you hurt my girlfriend's feelings.
And you're like, yeah.
Can I just clarify?
I'm not going to put myself in any trouble, but like the amount of money that people make on X, I've been pretty transparent, is like in the couple of thousands of dollars in the entire quarter of to which this post was put.
I don't mind saying that publicly.
If they want to come out, so if they want to sue me for like $5,000 or something like that, you know, that post probably generated, I would assume, $60 maybe of that picture, maybe $40.
And they want $5 million.
I want to end with this with you that I think is very important.
I think that I mentioned in the beginning that number $5 million is significant because we had just had our company publicly evaluated.
You know, across platforms, we have several million followers.
We have a good reach on our website.
We have credibility on our long-standing email list.
My name has some credibility to it with advertisers.
And so that's just what it is with investors and kind of the direction where we're headed.
They kind of went after a public valuation.
And I find that to be odd that they hit the number on the spot because the number doesn't match any other previous lawsuits of this manner.
There's no damages.
So there's been nothing I said has been linked to any personal loss that has been publicized at least.
And it seems to be from the evidence that they placed that this may be Netanyahu's eighth front war, which he talked about waging for information that Rift, people said, why you?
Well, Rift is budding, right?
We just got our first wave of investors.
We just got our first wave of interest.
We have a few.
I won't say all this information, but a very few very prominent individuals who, one of which, two of them left very big networks, one of the biggest networks that are coming on pro bono to help us kind of grow and build and turn this into something.
And I don't think that that doesn't get around.
And the fact that we have one rule in this company, we will not take money from Zionists.
Okay.
We won't.
And that's only because we don't want to be controlled.
It's not because we're anti-Jewish.
It's not because we're anti-Semitic.
It's not because we don't believe the state of Israel has the right to exist, or somehow we think that, you know, Jewish people should not have a homeland.
You can read into that statement all you want, but we have refused to take Zionist interests and money as advisors or as financial investments so we can remain unbiased and give a, and it sounds crazy, an unbiased sort of decentralized approach.
It may seem right-wing and it kind of is right-wing inherently, but it's not Republican.
We are not a Republican network.
We are one of the first networks trying to launch that is not bound to the party.
We are bound to principle.
I know people say that Fox News, fair and balanced, but we want that.
Do you feel like that could be that what we could be seeing here is another stage of this seeming war?
I'm sure you've seen it in the right wing, this war to oust anyone like myself who is not loyal to the Israeli regime from any type of ability to make money, et cetera.
Because that's what we believe is happening here, but you may have a different insight.
I want to differentiate this with the PR war, but PragerU, the organization that gave rise to Alexis Wilkins as a conservative activist, is a big part of Israel's eighth front war in the United States.
It's a major part of it.
It is part of what the 7K cartel, what we refer to as the 7K cartel.
It's being used actually by governors like Ron DeSantis to try to indoctrinate youth at a very young age into Zionist ideology in schools by justifying Israel's ethnic cleansing in 1948, teaching a false history of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
And Alexis Wilkins at an earlier point in her career produced pro-Israel propaganda for them.
That doesn't mean she's a Mossad agent, but that's where this unsubstantiated theory comes from.
Prager U is absolutely a part of the Eighth Front War.
And many of the propagandists slash influencers who are being paid around $7,000 per post as part of this massive Israeli propaganda blitzkrieg come out of Prager U. Like Xavier de Rousseau, for example.
He's at Prager U. That's what they're about.
They're about infiltrating the conservative movement and seeding it with Zionist ideology.
So it's very wise not to take money from Zionist donors.
If they're donating to you, they're going to ask for total loyalty.
And if you're not going to take their money and you're not going to support their messaging or you're going to clash with them publicly, then you're going to be targeted.
And I think maybe one reason you're being targeted and these other figures are being targeted with these lawsuits is they assume there's no institutional support behind you because you've taken such an independent position on the right.
But the reality is the MAGA grassroots are moving.
I mean, I'm not MAGA.
I'm not claiming to be America first.
That's not where I'm coming from.
I'm speaking sort of just as an observer, a passive observer.
What I'm seeing in the MAGA grassroots is they're done with the Israel issue.
They're disgusted with it.
Tucker is sort of mainstreaming that because he knows where things are going.
He knows which way the wind is blowing.
But the rest of the party, Conservative Incorporated, that depends on all the Zionist billionaire money from the Adelsons and the Perlmutters and the Bernard Marcuses and the Robert Shillmans, all the donors that were falling out with TPUSA at the end, the Bill Ackmans, they will not allow this to happen.
And so this is just going to get worse and worse.
And for Kash Patel to take on this fight, it's really he's taking on the fight of Israel.
It's going to make him less popular and less credible among a grassroots that actually used to support him and wanted him to be FBI director.
And I can say at the gray zone, as a non-MAGA site, we were not pro-Trump, but we saw the Russia Gate fraud for what it was, which was not just an attempt to criminalize diplomacy between Trump and Russia, but a hoax to raise money and all the other things.
My colleague Aaron Mate hosted Kash Patel twice at the Gray Zone.
These were great interviews.
And he let Cash just detail all his research when he was at the House Investigative Committee working under Devin Nunes, shredding the Russia Gate hoax.
And what Kash Patel was speaking against there, what he was railing against was lawfare, the concept of lawfare and the weaponization of the federal government in order to crush political foes and wage partisan warfare.
And now he's doing the same exact thing as FBI director, it appears.
So he's stripped himself of all the principles that got him to where he is.
He's lost credibility in the White House.
He's lost credibility with the grassroots, and he's fighting this final stand on behalf of a theory that relates to his and his girlfriend's long-standing support for Israel.
So, like looking at the bigger picture and the future of the American right, this is not going to be a popular position to take, and you're going to wind up in a compromising place like Kash Patel is right now, where he's opened himself up to discovery from the podcasters, the America first podcasters that he's trying to ruin.
Yeah, I happen, I want to stay focused on that for a moment.
I know you got to go in a second here, but I want to bring up something from your article.
And remind you guys, I'm going to go ahead and drop this in the chat.
If you're watching on Rumble or you're watching on YouTube, you want to share this article with whoever you can, please.
It's the gray zone.
I'm really happy we have pretty good numbers.
We have a few thousand of you guys watching live on our platforms right now, not including social media.
He's got a few thousand across.
This will definitely do hundreds of thousands, if not millions of impressions for sure.
But, you know, just until you give a huge shout out, although we normally do a lot for super chats and stuff, when you guys send them, we don't really ask for them.
But thank you so much to Shiraz Ad Morgan for $100 for supporting journalism and free speech.
I really appreciate that.
I do think I agree.
Some of you guys that are in the chat, too, I don't just read just super chats.
One of you also said Cash trying to cancel Elijah will definitely backfire, which is absolutely true.
I want to point out something pretty phenomenal.
So if you guys also know Max Blumenthal, he is the founder here at the Gray Zone.
Check out what it says here.
I want to end with this slap suit and a couple of questions for you as we leave.
So it says Schaefer's lawyer O'Neer Lopez told the Grey Zone that he's never seen a lawsuit like this, describing his textbook slap suit, a strategic lawsuit against public participation.
It's very troubling when government officials, girlfriends, are suing members of the media for posting third-party comments.
He added the basic legal discovery of Patel's communications with Wilkins.
If Cash does know about the lawsuit, that hasn't, and he hasn't stopped it from happening, that shows there's something wrong in this relationship.
If he does know what's going on, it's highly improper.
It makes him a witness in the lawsuit and he puts his text messages with Wilkins in play.
And this idea here of this America first, this is a war that's going on here.
I'm sure you're very familiar with it.
I mentioned it a little bit earlier.
There is an all-out break in the right wing right now.
Individuals in the establishment, you have Dana Lash, who I want to play a clip for you that I find to be remarkably smiled.
Yeah, Dana Lash, also one of my former Blaze colleagues, actually went so brazenly to defend AIPAC.
And I want to say this.
Back in 2022, if you can bring this up here, I said, remember in January of 2022, when the mainstream media said I was lying about saying that Zionists were controlling U.S. politics, which was at Blaze TV at the time, and I was hateful for suggesting that the Israeli government or Israeli money was influencing our politicians.
Below is Stephaniek in 2025 getting a Zionist Org of America award.
Mediate, which we found out that this was the girlfriend of my producer.
So I had a producer on the show whose girlfriend worked for Media.
He was leaking info internally and taking our clips, clipping them and sending them to his girlfriend from the company.
This is how shitty these people work together between the left and the right.
So you're working at Blaze TV and you have someone whose girlfriend or wife, I think it was his wife at the time, is getting information from the studio and putting it online.
This is not uncommon for people to go gossip to their wives and spread things and cause problems.
We got to cut that at the neck.
But it says here, look at this.
Blaze TV host Elijah Schaefer decried foreign influence in the U.S. politics while calling out the non-existent Zionist movement of America.
The non-existent.
This is a left-wing publication, by the way.
A pro-Democrat publication said there is a non-existent Zionist movement of America that doesn't exist for sponsoring the annual conservative political conference.
In addition to blaming Israel and other countries for, quote, exploiting the greed of Americans, here is Elise Stefanik taking an award from Miriam Adelson today.
Miriam Adelson from the Zionist Organization of America, literally almost exact word for word, what I said.
It's crazy that she's receiving this.
And I was almost fired over this.
And I was called an anti-Semite.
I remember a lot of staff didn't like what I had to say over it.
I was accused of working against American values.
I just want to ask your opinion on this.
With the anti-Zionist PAC, that is the ASAP PAC that is currently on.
You can take that off the screen there.
You can bring us up together here.
But with ASAPAC, we have an interview coming out on Slightly Offensive.
We're bringing that channel back.
They destroyed it, 540,000 subs.
Actually, it's 600,000.
They deleted our entire catalog, demonetized it all over what?
We don't know why.
But we're trying to resurrect the channel.
We have the guy on from Azapac tomorrow who's saying that, look, we have to get past, I think we're post-partisanship because we don't have a fight against Democrat versus Republican.
We have a fight against left-wing Zionists versus right-wing Zionists.
And that's sort of what the entire government is based upon now.
It's all how, how can we throw enough bones to our constituents so that they still vote for us, but then we still do the bidding of our masters in Israel?
That's the whole goal of our government.
This war right now, the idea that for years, and that's 2022, that's over three years ago, at a mainstream place.
This argument has been going, does Israel control our politics?
Does Israel control our politicians?
The answer to that is yes.
Not all of them, not completely.
There's other people involved for sure.
But do you think there's any ability, you think, for populism from the left, populism from the right, this sort of post-partisanship to develop to where we can get past this bullshit, to where we can realize, hey, look, like you said, you're on the show with me.
This is the second time we've been on a show together over post-partisan bullshit.
First on the Charlie murder, secondly now on this, where it's like these situations are kind of the gaps are getting shorter, Max.
You know what I mean?
Like, we're getting to situations where it's like, this isn't really about defending Democrats or Republicans.
This is like corruption and bullshit.
And just so you know, Cash was involved in both.
Like, are we headed in that direction?
Or do you think that the grip is too strong?
They're going to keep us pitted against each other, thinking elections are going to win.
And where you and I are going to keep yelling from the sidelines, hopefully paying our mortgage and not shutting down through another slap violation like you received and I'm getting right now.
It's up to us to look past a lot of the phony cultural issues that have been imposed on us to see that this is really a fight of the people against a tiny warmongering elite.
And so it's up to us to decide to look past that.
It's up to us to form a coalition just on some basic principles, like defending democracy against Miriam Adelson, an Israeli Likudnik warlord who is a cutout for Benjamin Netanyahu coming into a tiny district in Kentucky, a rural district, to destroy the career of the wildly popular Thomas Massey.
And that's what she's doing.
$20 million from Miriam Adelson.
Millions of dollars from Paul Singer, who's been Marco Rubio's pimp for over 10 years and is another ultra-Zionist donor against Thomas Massey.
People on the left are seeing that who never even knew who Thomas Massey was before, who is a libertarian from the right.
And you have these races on the left in the Democratic Party, increasingly primaries, where the candidates are being destroyed by the Democratic congressional campaign committees.
The DNC is going against them.
And you can see that the progressive grassroots is outraged and they're getting sick of partisan politics.
So what we could try to do is form a coalition just around some basic principles.
Like, for example, registering APAC as a foreign agent and also making more of an issue of what's really happening with our media, where when you see a lot of the attacks on Candace Owens or Tucker Cross and from within the right over the issue of Israel, they're coming from people like Dinesh D'Souza, who we used to call Distort Danusa.
And Dinesh D'Souza is at Salem Media Communications, which is effectively a foreign agent, which has integrated its media operations with Clock Tower Strategy.
Clock Tower Strategy is listed in foreign agent registration forms as an agent of Israel.
It just got a $6 million contract from Israel's foreign ministry to basically brainwash conservative youth into supporting Israel, which won't work, by the way, including by gaming the long language models of chat GPT, but also by producing bogus films like Dinesh D'Souza's new film on October 7th,
which portrays October 7th as a dispensation of the coming end times apocalypse.
So this is all phony.
It's like a real movement from real people who see what's actually happening on the ground in Israel-Palestine, where Israeli forces are literally burning historic Christian villages in the occupied West Bank.
They're seeing that and they're seeing what's happening in their own communities in rural Kentucky, where Israeli billionaires are coming in and trying to swing elections and they're sick of it.
And then you have the fake movement that's literally being paid, not just by these billionaires, but by the state of Israel.
What's going to be left of this country if we let that happen?
So I think this is something that transcends a lot of the cultural differences that we have.
Me and you have very different philosophies politically, but I think if we can form coalitions on these core issues, then we can actually start to push back.
Yeah, just a couple of super chats here before we let you go here.
Mr. Dissident said $20.
Thank you so much for that shekels for the legal defense.
The corrupt judiciary will never stop the signal.
Someone also said they sued you for $5 million because $6 million would have been too exact.
Somebody also sent $5 here and said, God bless you, brother.
That's effing crazy that this is all happening.
That's some guitar.
I can't read your whole name, but guitar Mar something.
I appreciate it.
Anyway, Max Blumenthal, you are always incredible to have on.
I always enjoy these conversations.
Last time you were on, I think the clips together did close to 2 million views, but we definitely had one that went very viral that did a million just on Instagram.
There, people really loved what you had to say.
And then there was a campaign after that of all these influencers who were at the Hamptons meeting talking about how you were lying on the show and retweeting the video and using it.
And it looked like maybe a directive went out because they all had the same talking point and then they all used the same video.
So they all used our video with you and then all had the exact same talking points and all shared how they're definitely not colluding together to change the narrative.
People want to find you and follow you.
Obviously you have, if you can bring it up on the screen here, obviously you have the gray zone.
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You can go ahead and read it directly.
Other than that, I know you have social media.
If you want to plug the best place to find you and if you're working on anything, people should be looking out for.
Yeah, I mean, the Gray Zone News and Max Blumenthal on Twitter X, but uh, sign up for our Substack newsletter, and you'll get everything for free in your email box so you can keep up with us.
And our job at the Gray Zone is to tell you what they don't want you to know.
Well, as you guys watch, if you're on Rumble, we're going to continue the show.
Uh, we have a lot more to talk about, but I think what's important here is why they went after us, right?
We have a lot to discuss, and we're going to find out right now that there's another development of the ADL who actually has decided that they are most importantly now going to be censoring individuals on social media.
Social media companies are going to comply.
This comes in line with trying to stop the criticism of Israel.
So it's not just this lawsuit, it's also this thing that's going on here that I think we need to talk about.
I don't know if we do, let me know.
Do we need to go to a break or can we just jump in?
Do you need to go to a break for a second?
All right, we're going to go to about a two-minute break and we're going to reset the cameras.
Joining me will be host TV and Rift TV host and contributor, Michael Hennessy from Snowflake News, is joining me to discuss the rest of the stories.
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We're re setting the cameras and we'll have an in-person guest in just a moment.
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All right.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, boys and boys.
We got the rest of the show for you.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
Joining me now, live in the studio.
Michael Hennessy of Snowflake News.
Welcome back to the show.
It's a little bit late in the show, but it's good to have you on.
Obviously, this lawsuit has been about my criticisms of Israel full-fledged.
And if you're just joining, you know, we're being sued by Cash's inner circle.
Some say that might be cash.
They're alleging.
And of course, I'm not trying to say that.
I'm just saying people are saying that.
It's a very key statement.
Yeah.
But the ADL CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt, is back in the news claiming that his organization is gradually gaining influence over social media algorithms.
He said it'll take time, but eventually it will all happen.
He says he wants to control which sources AI can use and insists that fixing the problem social media means acting early and pushing companies to do the right thing.
Greenblatt criticizes platforms like X and Instagram for harming public discourse.
Listen to this.
Tell me what you think.
This sounds like, well, it sounds like these people are saying that they seek to control the world.
So unfortunately, what they're saying.
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Anti-Semitism is spread unchecked on social media.
And there was a time when social media companies, let's say, more aggressively police these kinds of things.
And I believe that they even sought the ADL's advice on these things sometimes, depending on the company.
And then it kind of fell out of fashion.
Let's put it that way.
What efforts do you think the ADL and other organizations can make to try to combat the real just like cesspool of anti-Semitism online?
Well, let's be honest.
I mean, it's sort of embedded in the question.
Like there's no silver bullet.
Yeah.
So social media has sort of seized, you know, if you will, like the public conversation, and it's now mediated through algorithms, invisible to us, but like manifest on our phones.
So you and I could be sitting literally like on the same sofa in the same house, looking at our phones, getting two entirely different worldviews.
I, you know, Steven Pinker's got this good new book about common knowledge.
I think it's a problem when common knowledge is exploded and where there's no shared understanding of what like ground truth is.
For a lot of our young people, ground truth is, you know, chat GPT, which itself is drawing information to a slarge language model from like Wikipedia and Al Jazeera.
Like that is really troubling.
If we are going to solve this problem, we need to get upstream and we've got to figure out how to get these companies to do the right thing.
Again, like you said, it's kind of out of fashion these days for them to be policing.
But look, I don't think it's canceled culture, not the platform Mazis.
I don't think it's canceled culture, not the platform jihadists.
So we would hope that they will do better in the future.
And we've got a whole robust sort of ago agenda, like pushing and pushing and pushing.
And we just got to keep at it.
It ain't going to happen overnight.
It's not easy, but we can't lose sight of our, you know, of these goals.
Are you optimistic about TikTok now that sort of an American conglomerate has bought part of the American operation?
Yeah.
I mean, look, TikTok, in my mind, there's, I was not someone who believed that changing the ownership will necessarily affect the performance of the product.
Case in point, Facebook, founded and owned by a Jewish mayor, Mark Zuckerberg, and really helped built by Cheryl Sandberg.
People Jewish people.
Instagram.
I think one or both the founders Jewish.
Twitter, one of the founders, Jewish.
Like I could go on, but the point is, is that all those guys are Americans and X and Insta are so damaging, I think, to the public conversation.
So I don't think that the nationality of the ownership will necessarily make it better.
The only way it gets better is if the ownership is committed to that outcome.
And on that point, I've got to be, I'm optimistic.
So what's really crazy about this is they're not helping their claim that, you know, Zionist control methods, ADL is the anti-definition league.
It's a, it's a organization when you try to stick to the saying Zionists, not Jews, but then they keep bringing up that, you know, you would expect that a platform run by Jews or founded by Jews would fall in line with what the Jewish ADL wants, meaning that they're suggesting that in general, Jews do work as a conglomerate and do help each other in ways that might be counterproductive to the welfare of the people.
Now, that's what the ADL is admitting here.
And I just think it's kind of crazy that if I were to say that, I'd be called an anti-Semite.
But the ADL says that like pretty dramatically and pretty openly in that moment.
They also claim that they are trying to get a hold of, do you see this too?
And you know that these algorithms, this censorship, it's really about preventing white people from collectivizing and having an identity.
And I wrote a tweet that didn't go very far, but I think it was important is I said, you know, identity politics works for everyone.
And as white people, we do use identity politics, especially white people that don't like identity politics.
You are playing in a minority or Jewish identity politics because the Jewish identity politics is that they get a monopoly on identity and that everything is about their suffering and their collective, you know, the Holocaust and stuff, which, you know, is unfortunate.
But then you go down.
We saw that tweet on Friday where the guy was like, or Saturday, the guy was like, due to six million Jews dying, now we have peace.
And you're like, no, 70 million white Christians died.
Let's not make this about race and religion.
Let's make this about that war was not about Jews.
Okay.
And it kind of was, actually, but you know what I mean.
It's like, it kind of was.
It was about getting, you know, the future of Europe, a future of whether Europe would be white and Christian or multicultural and Jewish.
And then when you're white, I don't play identity politics.
What you're saying is, is I want Jewish institutional power to be running my country.
I want Zionism to be the main effect of my nation.
To not play identity politics is to take a politically identical position to the Zionist movement.
And I hate it because nobody wants to be mean.
Nobody's saying if your identity politics doesn't mean that you think people who are not like you are bad or don't have value or that they should be expelled from your nation or that they don't deserve rights.
That's not what it means.
It means you have to acknowledge that there are inherent traits genetically that result in a type of presupposition, culture, and temperament that then allow, mean that your group might have different desires, needs, and wants, right?
That's why certain government programs, certain groups use more of them, because they don't value maybe hard work.
That's why communism has worked better in countries that have collectivist cultures rather than those, or at least has taken root than those who have independent or individualistic cultures.
Ideas affect culture, culture affects ideas, and ultimately speaking, race does play a role in that.
But the Jewish people have decided, as we'll see from Ben Shapiro here in just a second, that he says, you know, if you can mute the guests here for a second on your end, he says here particularly that it doesn't matter.
You know, basically, it comes down to the fact that white people shouldn't have an identity.
He's not very happy about it.
He talks about it pretty extensively.
But most importantly, if you reject this, Mark Levin, I want to play this.
If you reject Israel, you actually reject Western society.
If you reject Judaism and you reject Christianity and you reject the link of the two, you reject the Bible.
If you reject Judaism and Christianity and the brotherhood and the sisterhood of the two, not only are you rejecting our founding, you're rejecting our country.
You're pushing some other agenda, whatever that agenda may be.
I mean, this is the one thing that we're seeing them push time and time again, especially coming out saying, what is it, Christian Judaism or something that, you know, yeah, they're combining the two of them.
What they do is they have a control, unfortunately, over a lot of the churches.
A lot of the pastors are collecting checks.
And they know that as long as they can keep Christians in line to be pretty much like a servant for them, then they're going to continue to push these lies.
You know, same with Greenbelt.
I actually have to say that Greenbelt video that you played, that's the first time I've seen him look so defeated.
Usually he's a little bit more excited.
So I'm glad to see him a little upset.
But yeah, I mean, with him too, what he wants to do is, as he said, he's talking about all Jews all the time, all Jews, because they want to keep it all as one.
So if you ever question Zionism, if you ever question the Israeli government, then you're attacking all Jews.
You know, it's just as I always say, when Biden was in office, I disliked Biden.
But then, you know, it wasn't I was not anti-American.
There's even things that Trump's doing that I'm very upset about.
Does that mean I'm anti-American?
No, that's not the case.
So what they want to do is they just want to lump some it all together and they want to continue to brainwash people and people like Mark Levin, what he's trying to say there is, you know, if you go against them, then you're going against the Bible.
No, what we're doing is we're focusing also on the New Testament.
We're not just paying attention to the Old Testament.
We understand Jesus came.
You know, he went ahead, tore the veil, made it so that, you know, Jew and Gentile, everybody is one, and that we're not going to go ahead and believe all this nonsense that they're telling us.
But unfortunately, what you have is you have a lot of boomers and a lot of these other churches that, once again, have been manipulated and they're falling for this.
Yes, more bombs for Gaza.
It's in God's name and all this kind of stuff.
And it's just ridiculous, the type of language that they use.
But unfortunately, one of the devil's greatest tricks is changing the language, changing the wording.
Yeah, look, and the weird thing is, is like while they're talking about this, Ben Shapiro also says he laments white people thinking they have an identity.
I just, it's just an odd statement.
Listen to what Ben says.
These people are so weird.
They're just weird.
This is just weird behavior.
I don't get them.
But I think when you realize that maybe it's a nefarious intention, now you realize why we're being sued because you realize that they're mad that we're noticing this stuff.
I mean, this is really what they're pushing against.
They want us to go ahead and go for this blind agenda that they want us to go for, which we've went for years because our schooling systems lied to us.
Our history books have lied to us.
And it wasn't until now, until the newer generations have actually been able to dig deep into it because everything's not being spoon-fed to them like it was for the boomers.
We're saying, hey, listen, we really do have a problem here.
I can't afford a house.
I don't want to have this degeneracy, you know, with my children seeing this daily.
I don't want women to be pushed towards OnlyFans.
So what we're seeing is that that graphs kind of slip from them, which I'm very happy.
Well, I mean, I think that we can start with what's driving this in the first place.
I think one of the things that is driving this is the fact that for a decade or more, there was an attempt by the left to basically target Christian white men.
And there's no question that this was true, that just in terms of policy, policies were designed in order to disadvantage Christian white men, whether it was going after the little sisters of the poor or the attempt to meet to anybody who was masculine in any way, the attempt to say that men could be women, the sort of DEI nature of all of American politics, the BLM movement, which is directed at the idea that there's a white supremacist superstructure.
And in saying that over and over and over, what the left actually did is they started to create a feeling in a lot of young white men that as targeted group, they actually were an identity group of their own.
And then now as an identity group of their own, they must rise up and lay low anybody who is not a member of that group.
And there are a lot of influencers and a lot of political commentators that we've talked about who are fomenting this because it goes viral online.
The algorithms, particularly on X and on TikTok, are very, very fond of this.
There are a lot of people who are perfectly willing to cater to this and then to sort of promote this idea.
And that's how you get to this place.
I mean, the fact that this was happening at a TPUSA event and these sorts of questions are the kinds of questions that Charlie Kerrick himself was routinely receiving over and over.
And it was clearly coming, as Nick Fuentes said, it was clearly coming from Nick Fuentes' side of the aisle.
I do not think this is originally a general outgrowth of normie traditional thought.
A lot of the kinds of questions that you're hearing here.
And the vice president was asked last week whether Judaism was targeting Christians, which is an absurd contention, just historically and contemporaneously.
Those questions are coming from a particular place.
And the humoring of that particular place is something that Charlie actually did not want to do.
Charlie actually forbade the involvement of Nick Fuentes and the Groiper mentality and white supremacy from TPUSA, obviously.
And we're the only ones that are attacked for saying that anytime white people want to get together and kind of, you know, stick together, then we're attacked.
If it's the black community, no problem.
If it's a Jewish community, well, you best believe you're going to hear about it on every news station.
You're going to hear them tell you a million times.
The one thing they don't want is they don't want white Christian nations.
I really think that's what it comes down to.
They want to go ahead and they want to put an end to us so this way they can push any kind of agenda because what the Talmud has in it is disgusting, in my opinion.
It's absolutely disgusting.
And I'm not going to change my mind on that.
And everything Christianity we believe in is against what they believe.
It may be, you know, with young children, may be, you know, what where Jesus Christ is.
We believe he's right next to God on the throne.
We don't believe that he's in hell, burning, and all sorts of stuff.
So, yeah, I mean, really, what they want to do is they want to destroy any kind of white Christian nation.
I think that's really what it comes down to.
And in this way, they can just take over any way they want and have less people against them.
I was going to say he got arrested for disturbing the peace.
It's weird because then, like, I guess everybody's going to get arrested in downtown Fort Lauderdale.
Who's everyone's using the N-word, yelling at each other?
Like, he got arrested because Dave Portnoy was a powerful Jewish guy, and powerful Jewish people get special treatment.
But also, like, a lot of these states, like even Mississippi, they have all these weird liberals who are like trying to, you know, they really want to make sure that they get over their reputation of being racist.
So they want to make sure they like crack down on it on what?
On the First Amendment.
It's your First Amendment right to be racist, guys.
It is your first, it is, there's no laws here.
You have the right to be racist in every country, actually.
And I want to make sure you know that.
It's by God.
These are not American values.
These are universal values.
People are like, well, you have American values.
They said in Australia, you have American values.
Yeah, I know that you guys don't know your rights come from God because you're still stuck in feudalistic thinking, but the king cannot tell you that you have to love or like anybody.
And even my lawsuit from Cash's Inner Circle is like saying that, you know, I haven't seen people commenting, like, you know what you meant by this.
Do I?
Do you?
Do you read my mind?
Do you know what I meant?
Because you can't prove intent.
Unless there's a plan, like intent to murder, like homicide, first-degree murder, where you can show a plan of action.
You have no idea what anyone means by anything.
And it's like, so what?
You can't just hackle somebody and talk shit.
Yeah, you can.
Obviously, you can't be violent.
You guys threw coins on the floor and it was a great smoke bomb.
Well, Mississippi is, yeah, you wouldn't expect Mississippi to do that.
Okay, so I want to talk about something very important here.
I think it is important.
You know, I think that a lot of people are mad because they see that things aren't working well in our economy, right?
I think that there's a lot of anger, particularly just about what's going on in our country.
And one of those things is the fact that, you know, basically, you know, Trump realized that people feel disenfranchised on the left and the right, right?
They really want to be in a position to where they are the victims that Jews are, and that that's the biggest issue of our culture.
But I think the reason why people are upset is because they literally can't afford to live, right?
They can't afford to feed themselves.
They can't afford to buy a house and start a family.
Now, James Fishback, who's the CEO of Invest Arizona, founder of Incubate Debate, had made a video about the 50-year mortgage.
I don't know if you saw this.
Donald Trump's proposing a 50-year mortgage sparks backlash.
This is from Newsweek.
Here it states from Cape Plumber that the U.S. President Donald Trump proposed to introduce a 50-year mortgage terms from homebuyers that sparked a backlash from online commentators.
Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Bill Polt said on Saturday that the Trump administration is working on a plan to introduce the measure.
Right on X, people criticized the idea, which they said could increase debt levels.
A U.S. federal housing spokesman told Newsweek we continue to evaluate all options to address housing affordability, including studying how to make mortgages assumable or portable.
And that's kind of one of the main things.
You can take it off the screen.
So joining us today, remote, we have James Fish back.
So I saw your video and I was actually struck by it because you kind of brought up the voice of like why people are probably angry today because there are very catastrophic problems that are institutionally robbing us of our quality of life, our birthright.
And usually when we complain, we either send money to a foreign war or a foreign nation or we come up with some bullshit band-aid that almost basically makes things worse.
Keyton Poised stimulus checks during COVID, right?
Just ballooned our debt, created inflation, caused problems.
And you brought up that you saw problems already brewing on the fact of what this does and how this actually doesn't fix the issue.
Can you explain to us eloquently, like you did, what is this 50-year mortgage?
Why is this so damaging?
And why were you so concerned on your viral clip on what was happening here?
Well, Elijah, you know, I come at this from someone who just turned 30.
And when my dad was growing up, half of 30-year-olds in the 1960s, half of 30-year-olds owned their home and were married.
Today, 15% of 30-year-olds own their home and are married.
Think about that.
That is the most important economic statistic.
It is the most damaging, dangerous economic statistics because it portends just how bad this situation could get.
I don't care about the stock market, don't care about GDP, whatever that means, C I plus G plus NX.
We care about men and by virtue, women, because men have to be married to someone.
And from where I sit, marriage is between a man and a woman.
Full stop.
That's biblical.
There has to be some semblance of how we measure this.
And so for the last nine months, we've been hungry for a real solution to the housing affordability crisis.
This is not a real solution to the housing affordability crisis.
If you want to buy a home and start a family and marry the woman of your dreams and maybe move from a rough part of town into a safer part of town, which would allow you to get a new job to make 20% more, to allow your wife to no longer have to work and allow her to raise your two kids at home.
This is a spit in the face, Elijah.
Instead of saying we're going to tackle the real fundamental issues that are causing housing affordability, Blackstone buying up entire neighborhoods and forcing us to rent, mass migration, people who now come in and take mortgages and take homes that really should be reserved for American citizens.
Those are the real fundamental issues that don't want to get tackled.
We are handed what essentially is usury.
Just speak it what it is.
It is usury.
It is economic genocide against Gen Z.
It is un-American and it is unacceptable.
You cannot just simply say, well, we get that that thing is expensive, that home, and we get that we're not going to raise your real wages, but why don't we help you just finance it over a longer period of time?
So if you do the math on this, Elijah, the median home in America cost $500,000 at the prevailing mortgage rate of 6%.
That means that on a 50-year mortgage, you will literally spend $1.1 million in interest on a $500,000 home.
You will spend $1.6 million to get a $500,000 home.
That is ridiculous.
Instead of ramping up deportations, instead of ending the H-1B program, instead of kicking out every single foreign worker who is, by definition, because they're here and they have a job, they have stolen a job from a qualified American.
Instead of doing the stuff that's not going to be easy, no one said America First was going to be easy.
But instead of doing that, we are served up this disgusting appetizer on a silver platter and told that we should be appreciative and grateful.
And so I proudly voted for this president in 24 and 20 and 2016.
But I want to see real, genuine solutions for affordability, or we are in for a whopping in the midterms and we're going to absolutely deserve every second of it.
I've moved around seven times in eight years, which is kind of crazy, just the nature of my job and in the doxing and what's happened.
Life has not been conducive to owning a property.
I kind of want to change that.
If I don't lose $5 million in the next 30 days, which apparently is probably not going to happen, but still, you know, there's always, I always, I wake up every day and tell my team there's always someone trying to complicate or ruin my life every day.
But I'm not alone.
That's not unique to me.
We really do have people trying to destroy our society.
Who does this benefit?
Who does a 50-year mortgage benefit?
Because it's not benefiting me.
It doesn't seem like it's benefiting my friends or my team members here who benefits from extending the interest.
And again, I'm going to caveat the implication here.
I don't buy the, it just gives you an easier buy and then you refinance.
And this is about making it easier to get into the market.
And by the way, look, had this policy been proposed in the context of other real solutions that were going to bring down housing costs and increase affordability, it might not be as insulting.
The fact of the matter is that we have been waiting, Elijah.
You know this.
We've been waiting for nine months as my generation stares down the toughest job market in modern history.
As my generation is seeing their jobs handed to foreigners via the H-1B program, foreigners from India and China who literally got here five minutes ago, their birthright is being stolen from them.
This is not an economic zone.
It is not a free trade area.
It is a country.
It is a nation.
It is called America.
We built it.
Our ancestors bled for it, fought for it, and died for it.
It is insulting that members of Congress like Byron Donald will peddle the 50-year mortgage on top of the H-1B program.
And the idea is, I guess, this vision 2030 for the losers, Republicans in Congress.
In the year 2030, you won't own your home.
You'll have lost your H-1B, your job to an H-1B, and you'll be selling your food stamps to pay for your 50-year mortgage.
I mean, seriously, that is the scam that we are faced with.
And so we want to see real solutions for housing affordability.
I'm someone who is on Wall Street.
I spent 10 years working at two different hedge funds.
I've seen usury up close.
I know how disgusting and disgraceful it actually is.
I've seen how Wall Street rigs the game against working Americans.
And I'll tell you, Democrats and Republicans are in on the scam.
They're the ones who are going to benefit from this by owning the large banks, by having interest in private equity firms.
They're the ones who are going to benefit on the backs of this usury.
And I'm just not going to apologize for it.
And so at the end of the day, we have to be honest about what this is.
I'm sick and tired of the do-nothing congressional Republicans, and I'm especially sick and tired of the know-nothing Democrats.
But I never thought the Democrats pledged allegiance to us and to actual Americans.
It's the do-nothing Republicans who go around and tell us that they're for America first, that they're fighting for us.
They're not fighting for us at all.
All they do is go whine on Fox News, put out strongly worded letters, and then come back to their district and pretend and tell us they got something done.
They want to end the filibuster, Elijah, and then do what?
Do what?
Are you going to ban Blackstone from buying up entire neighborhoods and forcing us to rent and pricing us out of homes?
No.
Then I don't care what you do about the filibuster.
We want to end the filibuster, they say, Elijah.
Well, guys, are you going to end the H-1B program and deport every single so-called legal immigrant in this country who is stealing a job?
No.
Well, then who cares what you guys do?
At the end of the day, the affordability crisis has to be solved with two levers.
On one hand, we have to bring down costs, which you do that by deporting a ton of people who are currently in homes and that frees up housing stock.
You also do it by banning Blackstone, who's buying up homes and bidding up prices and making them out of reach.
But the other end of the affordability mandate that doesn't get enough talk is how can we actually increase take-home pay?
How can we actually get people good paying jobs?
And that starts with ending the mass migration.
For far too long, Republicans have railed only against illegal immigration, only against the people who jumped across a southern border and were shipped across states on buses.
But no, Republicans have nothing to say about legal immigration.
In fact, Congressman Byron Donalds, who's now running for Florida governor, said last year he wants anyone from anywhere to come to America.
Is that really what we want?
Do we really want to replace you or me or our kids or our grandkids with a bunch of third world foreigners who have no skin in the game, who don't pledge allegiance to our flag to come steal our jobs and replace us?
Absolutely not.
And we just have to be honest about this because the congressional Republicans are in on it just as much as the Democrats are.
I don't, do you know if you want to comment on this, but I think this is just another one of those things where it feels like you get like Benny Johnson and like Bill Polton, people that I like, that are just like, we did it, guys.
We helped you.
And you're like, I don't think you read anything.
I don't think you thought through this.
I don't think you realized how dumb this was.
And I'm not enjoying this.
I don't know.
You've got to have a strong opinion on this because it doesn't make me feel like out.
Does it make you feel like you're going to want a 50-year mortgage right now?
This administration is running off of straight dopamine hits.
And so it felt really good, I'm sure, for Benny Johnson and Bill Pultey to put this out and like, we solved it and put a photo of Trump with the 50-year mortgage caption right next to FDR with a 30-year mortgage caption.
Might have felt good for about 30 minutes.
That's the problem with what feels good in the short term and what actually ends up hurting you in the long term.
This is not going to be easy.
This is not going to be solved with a tweet.
It's going to involve real policy that's going to piss off a lot of the billionaire donors that gave Trump money in the election, in the campaign.
And so I'm with you 100% that we actually need real solutions.
And that's not going to be fun.
It's not going to have the good dopamine hit of spending four hours planning out a policy proposal and pushing it out on Twitter.
But guys, when is the last time you've seen MAGA lose its mind over an economic policy proposal like this?
This is just an insult.
It is a spit in the face for some of the most from the president's most loyal defenders.
Yeah, it feels like it feels like in some ways they so understand the base.
In other ways, like just do you remember like the other with speaking of Indians, Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk talking about H2NB's and everyone's like, no, no, no more Indians in the country.
We don't, we're not happy about this.
We don't want these people here.
We don't, we're literally elected you from 2016 on because we saw our country change.
And then, you know, they rigged an election and then we ended up with these 20 million people approximately say 10 to 20 million flooding in.
Guys, this is insane.
Look at what Germany's doing.
They're trying to send Syrians back and the Syrians won't go back now that the war is over.
It's like, dude, we can't live like this.
You know, we can't, we can't 20 million more people.
They need somewhere to live, right?
Like, it's not about just houses and GDP.
It's about culture and identity and about our shared society.
You know, do you know that since EBT was cut off, there's been a 40% reduction in foot traffic in Walmart's past 9 p.m.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
So the hooligans at night are just EBT recipients high and buying shit.
Somebody said that the noise, they took a noise meter and were testing before EBT went down to sell video and after this EBT was canceled, the noise went down 60% inside of Walmart.
The like voices, the general noise kids crying, it went down.
There's an effect on culture by having a society where people just live off the government.
Like we don't want to live in a society with a bunch of minorities, you know, feeding off of our society.
You saw the recipients of EBT proportion to who they are, the Afghan migrants, all these people.
Yeah, they're like, oh, well, you know, the majority of Snap recipients are white.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's 6% of the U.S. population, 6% of the white population.
Sorry, not the U.S., 6% of the white population is on Snap.
That's all that's for.
It's like, yeah, if we live in a society, imagine if it's only 6% of the country was on Snap.
6%, you're like, that's not bad.
Okay, we have some social programs.
6%, it's like 40% of the country is on it because we have too many damn people who don't understand what they're doing.
They'd be like, the amount, but if you actually take the amount of people and, you know, put that against how much crime in that demographic, you know, it's not even close.
But that's one thing they always like to say as well.
Prices are not going up at the same rate, but prices have not gone down, which means that if inflation over the last nine months has been 2%, it means it's 2% more expensive than it was when President Trump took office.
And what we were told was that prices were not going to just stay put, they were going to go down.
That is the real crisis.
So that's number two: strike two.
And then strike three is, of course, this 50-year mortgage thing.
This is a response.
Had this been floated in the first couple of weeks of the administration, we might have given him a benefit of the doubt.
But right here, right now, when we haven't seen any relief on the price side, we've seen a lot of other great things.
You got to give credit where credit's due.
But when it comes to the actual issue of inflation, all we've done is slow down the rate in which we're getting screwed by price hikes.
We actually haven't defeated the 25% increase in aggregate goods prices that we saw during Joe Biden's disastrous four-year regime.
Until we do that, I don't want to see any victory lapse.
I don't want to see any more peace deals.
I don't want to see any talk of Nobel Peace Prize nonsense.
Time to deliver for Americans and put Americans first.
James Fishbeck, man, if you ever want to come on and comment on economic issues, if things are out in the news and you want to just flag me on DMs, I'd love to have you on at any point to discuss these things because, man, like you said, I can sense the fear that you have that, you know, when you say things aren't going to remain the way they are, we don't know if that means they're going to get better or if things are going to burn to the ground, right?
I mean, we know they're going to change.
We just don't really know which direction.
But we know that people sometimes, as you've seen this, man, like you saw now in like in Indonesia, not Indonesia, in Nepal, sometimes burning your government down leads to anarchy, rape, murder, and death.
Like it doesn't necessarily lead to peace, right?
And it can take someone like, you know, like the Russian president Putin to restore order after a collapse.
But even then, once you restore order, you end up the enemy.
He tried to join NATO and NATO didn't want him.
And now he's, you know, the arch enemy of the West, despite not wanting to be.
So, you know, you can end up finding yourself to save your own country.
You have to become the enemy of the world.
And even me saying that, I'll be accused of being a Putin puppet.
But, you know, I like Russia.
I don't know.
Russia hasn't tried to sue me for $5 million.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's, I didn't get sued for $5 million by Russian proxies for criticizing Putin.
Like, I, I don't know, man.
My life and my world, I have a different type of experience.
And you know, the old joke from Tim Dylan was, you know, this Putin guy, I don't love him, but he hasn't asked me for any money lately, which is not what's so intentional to me.
That's that's yeah, I don't think we've uh, I don't, I think, and by the way, Zelensky, with all of the weapons of the entire West, can't repel Russia.
Everyone's like, Russia's so weak.
It's like Russia's fighting the European Union and they're winning.
That's kind of crazy.
Uh, that's crazy.
They're not fighting Ukraine, you know?
So that is an insane thing.
Anyways, James, I'll talk to you again soon, man.
Have a great night.
Thanks for coming on so late.
Sorry about the delays.
It is what it is.
Unfortunately, the FBI wanted to meddle in our business.
