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There's this growing side of the left and right that is moving towards more extremist ideology.
They're becoming racially conscious.
They're against foreign wars, Ukraine and Gaza.
And it's sort of becoming an issue where it's literally becoming right now when it's pulled with Gen Z that it's like 52% of Gen Z are more leaning towards that way of thinking.
What do you think this is going to do in our country that young people are leading towards leaning towards extremism?
What's your opinion on what you're seeing, the impact of this sort of mass migration like in Western countries, sort of just changing the demographics?
Everybody says that life is getting worse, but it doesn't seem like anybody really wants it to get better.
You know, wanting your pilot to fail on a flight because you don't like them doesn't make any sense, right?
Whether you have a personal problem or not, it's like, well, you want to land safely, and it's in your best interest to make sure that the plane gets back to the ground.
But it seems like we're in a country where people hate what's going on.
They don't like the president.
They don't like the racial tensions, but they don't seem to want it to get better.
People seem to want the president to fail.
They want people to do poorly and they almost seem to love the misery.
It seems as if perhaps we have an addiction problem in our country, not just to fentanyl and to our phones, but maybe to our own trauma.
Maybe we're drunk off of our own suffering, our own pain, our own complaints.
The state of the country is quite odd today.
And of course, there's an expert that I know who's fantastic, Dr. Drew Pinsky, host of Ask Dr. Drew, who knows a lot about addictions and a lot about what we're suffering with as a country.
As he woke up a few years ago and realized maybe I don't know everything that's going on, and maybe there's a lot more happening, a lot more lies, a lot more deceit.
I'm just thinking, did you see Joe Rogan's latest comedy special where he said, I used to think vaccines were the most important medical advancement in history.
I thought the world was round.
I thought Michelle Obama had, well, maybe she does.
No, but I think better than just being not retarded, I think that people would think of you as a collegiate individual, somebody who has intellect and wit.
And yet, over the last few years, like we mentioned at the beginning, it seems like you've completely changed.
And not in a bad way, but it seems like there's something different about you.
Talk to me a little bit about when this change happened and when you started realizing that maybe things weren't the way they were.
There's sort of PC and AC, but you're BC and AC before COVID and after COVID.
And the fact that my peers behaved the way they did, the press behaved the way they did.
Much to my surprise, the government has now turned out to behave the way it did.
We now know for sure.
The way the social media organizations behave, the way people behaved on social media was all astonishing to me.
It was mind-blowing.
And I had to make sense of it and I had to respond to it.
My, my, you know, sort of, you know, the attempts at cancellation that I went through were profound.
And it's very hurtful.
You know, when you're out there just trying to do good, when people come after you, you just try to help and be good.
It has a specially, it stings extra bad.
Because I'm not out there just because I want to be out there.
I want to be out there to help and do something good, be of service, make a difference in a positive way.
I always said that I hope on my tombstone, it just said he made a difference.
That's it.
That'd be fine.
And I had to try to make sense of it.
At first, I had to respond to it.
And my wife goes, well, you got a lot to say.
You can help people.
You seem to want people want to hear what you have to say.
Let's do a Facebook Live.
So we started with that.
And then it turned into a streaming show.
And then that streaming show started being directed towards talking to other peers that had been canceled to find out, because I thought I've got an interesting point of view.
They must know something.
And it was actually when I got to Jay Bhattacharya, which was one of the earlier interviews I did, I was like, oh my God, this is the guy that had to be subjected to a devastating takedown, according to Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci.
This guy's a mensch.
He's a brilliant professor.
He's a physician colleague.
He's just a great human being.
That's the guy you want to cancel.
There is something horribly wrong.
Horribly, horribly wrong.
And by the way, when he announced to me six months ago or four months ago that he was being considered for the NIH director, I just took my breath away.
I thought, this is like, this is poetic.
This is Shakespearean that these assholes wanted to cancel this guy will now be their boss.
This is justice.
Anyway, so I had to really look at everything and everybody very carefully, all those organizations, including my own profession.
And I saw weaknesses and problems that I just didn't know were there.
And it's made me respond.
I've sort of had to talk about it.
And the two absolute sort of features, I would guess, or mandates that has come out of it for me is to protect speech, numer uno, to protect bodily autonomy.
That's it.
I will go to the mat for those two things now.
And prior to COVID, I wasn't thinking about those things.
I never imagined they were under threat.
Never.
Now I have to think about how far do I want to go to protect it?
How far will I go?
And that's why I'm thinking and talking about different things now.
It probably makes me look like I'm different, I guess.
Meaning, so it's like you're either part of a losing team, people who are going towards tyranny, going towards this authoritarianism and destruction of our God-given rights, or you're on the winning team.
And that's why you're seeing the Democrats are teaming up with Republicans.
Past liberals are teaming up with conservatives.
There's like a group of people here like, hey, this is beyond party.
This is actually in terms of, am I going to have the right to move freely, speak freely, and think freely in my country?
I was Democrat for a long time, and then I was independent for a long time.
And then I thought I was libertarian for a long time.
I was sort of always sort of freedom leaning.
And then I met real libertarians.
Kat Temp became a friend of mine from Gutfeld.
And I thought, oh, right, I have a heart.
So I'm not a libertarian.
You have to be really harsh to be a libertarian.
And God bless libertarians.
I'm just not that.
And I'm still kind of see myself as independent.
And I think that's what the sort of new coalition is.
It's not, I think, I think that whatever this new party or system or leaning is, I don't want to call it Republican even or conservative because that has a bad rap, you know, when even in my mind.
I was watching a movie called, my wife was, we just got into this.
We went down a rabbit hole about Laurel Canyon and we were watching this movie called Mondo Hollywood.
And in there, it's from the 60s.
They were showing these sort of rotary meetings from the 60s.
And they're all these old white men with the skinny ties and the white shirts and the kind of thick courtroom glasses.
And they were disgusting.
They were the people I was rebelling against when I was 80s, 90s, and 2000s.
I did not want to be that.
They were attacking me when I was trying to have free speech on the radio, when I was advocating for things like morning after contraception and things.
And that's where my fight was always.
Now to be aligned with that, it doesn't feel right.
It's different.
It's a different kind of an alignment that has occurred.
It almost needs a new name, but I don't know if we can do that.
This is what I want to kind of go into you with here.
I think that the lot of people, when they say, you know, oh, I woke up, I was red-pilled, these kinds of things, they're talking about waking up from something.
And what I find is you do wake up and you progress, you sort of look back at your life and you don't even realize ways that you were policing your own speech.
You don't even realize at the time the way people were controlling you or manipulating you or getting you not to talk about certain things.
I mean, I look at my career in the past.
We're going to even call it that.
And I realized, you know, some of the meetings that I would get in where they would check my ideology and maybe make sure I didn't think a certain way.
I didn't realize what they were doing at the time, but I realized they were trying to control me and ensure that I didn't speak the way I do at certain companies, that I didn't talk about the issues that I talk about now.
I was kind of interested.
You know, you've had a long history in Hollywood, a long history.
When you look back, was there, do you have any regrets or do you recognize any way that you were being controlled or maybe that you were policing yourself to where you're kind of like, you know what?
But if anything, I was on a talk, a daytime talk radio show for a while and I was continuing my usual moderate approach.
If anything, I've been too moderate.
I've been not willing to put a bet down because that's my scientific training, to never be sure of anything, to never be certain, to never have any certitude is irrational.
You shouldn't be certain about anything.
But now I'm certain about First Amendment.
Now I'm certain about bodily autonomy.
So there's certain certitudes that will come to you.
But being certain about, I don't know, complex issues.
I'm like, I'm always very moderate.
And I was getting pressured to be, I kept getting pressure, not overt, but I kept getting talked to you about you got to, you got to have one side or the other.
You got to pick one side or the other.
I'm like, it's not me.
I don't, I don't, I'm not.
And Corolla used to yell at me about that too.
And he's mad at me still to this day that I didn't sort of support some of the things he was saying, he was saying five, eight years ago that I felt were a little excessive that turned out to be right.
I just wasn't certain.
I was sort of, so maybe I guess my lack of willing to put a bet down at the time, but I wasn't clear about these things.
I just really wasn't.
And the circumstance is what clarify things for me.
CNN never told me to say anything.
Never.
I was never, ever, ever nothing.
They would just set it up.
Now, maybe how it was set up.
You know, we had a famous episode where I had a transgender woman in there with Ben Shapiro.
You know, and I didn't know, I didn't know who Ben Shapiro was.
And I didn't know what was going to happen.
And I didn't know what his opinion was going to be.
Or anything this thing erupted.
If you ever go look up it online, it's there.
And Zoe Tur hates me now because she's convinced I set the whole thing up.
Look, they just the producers set it up.
I'm told what's coming, who's there, and what the topic is, and we get into it.
That was it.
But when I used to go on Don Lemon Show every night, and during the early Trump, was it must have been two, it was pre-2016, right during that election year, during that election time.
This is another famous episode.
I go in and talking to Don Lemon, and I was talking about, you know, personality characteristics and mental illness in presidents, of which we've had many.
We've had many presidents with overt mental illness and with very extreme character pathology, I would say, or moderate character pathology.
And some of them are my favorite presidents, like Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt.
Those guys had pathology.
So I was saying, you know, Trump's got his stuff, but maybe I can't say that it makes a bad president.
I was sort of making that case.
So the next day, I came into my radio station and the manager said, program, the station manager said, hey, that was great.
Could you do that in 30 seconds for our website?
I said, I think I could do it in 30 seconds.
I sit down, I do 30 seconds.
And he goes, oh, you know, it's an election time.
We have to do both sides.
We're a public airways, you know, we have public airways access.
Can you do 30 seconds on Hillary?
And I said, well, funny thing, she released her medical records this morning.
And there was some really serious problem with her healthcare, in my opinion, in my opinion.
And I'd be happy to talk about that.
So I got on and I took issue with several of the things her doctors were doing for her.
A lot of people don't know.
She fell, had a transverse sinus thrombosis, which is a clot in the skull that causes a stroke in the brainstem.
She had a stroke.
She was wearing these prism glasses for a long time afterward, if you remember, because she had intranuclear ophthalmoplegia, where eyes didn't time right from the stroke.
And they put her on a strange, I thought, a strange blood thinner.
They hadn't done a proper coagulation workup.
They had her armor thyroid for no reason.
And I just laid all that out.
Next morning, Drudge Report puts on their front page: finally, a doctor says she's not suitable for office.
I did not say that.
Nothing to do with what I said.
Her physicians actually answered every one of my issues, every one of the questions I raised as though they were interrogatories and got the right consults and made the right changes and did everything I raised.
But I could tell what was afoot here was a celebrity was in charge of her healthcare.
That happens a lot because doctors get, oh, oh, oh, Ms. Clinton, such a pleasure to take care of you.
And oh, oh, your weight's a little excessive.
Well, you've heard the thyroid hormones.
I guess I could give you some thyroid hormone.
No, this is bullshit.
This is terrible healthcare.
Any event, I could smell that kind of thing going on there.
So as a result of that whole thing becoming this major media viral crisis, CNN came down on me like a ton of bricks.
Now, then they told me to stop talking and they were clear about it.
My show had already been canceled.
The public didn't know that yet.
And we didn't announce it till the next week.
So it looked like it was canceled because of what I had said.
You think it's a somebody ideological or do you think it's like a deep state, like some governmental employee, CIA, you know, control and trying to like control from the back end?
So like, so that is really fascinating to me because I think people always, you know, make these accusations, but this is the first I'm hearing about it.
I didn't even follow at that time.
But so Hillary's administration, they're like getting people involved or people that are close to them.
They get them these administrative roles in the networks.
And so they're literally a call away from sort of controlling the narrative.
And this is, well, this is the problem I'm seeing right now with a lot of the MAGA fans, which I voted for Donald Trump myself, but the fumbling of the Epstein file release, right?
This has been a total embarrassment to the administration.
He asked this morning or yesterday morning, he said, why Do you think the Trump administration would contemplate taking political refugees from Britain who are running away from the extreme silencing of their free speech?
And to Carolyn Levitt's benefit, who's also, I see, I went over there a couple weeks ago and interviewed RFK Jr., Besant, Carolyn Levitt, Linda McMahon.
So I've met all these people.
I've got to touch and feel them.
But Carolyn is super like an extraordinary young woman.
And she, to her benefit, looked at Winston and said, that's an interesting idea.
We've not been asked that before.
I will take it back to the president.
And I bet she did that.
That's what I like about that administration.
They're open to ideas.
They're taking everything in.
It's not, you know, layers and layers and layers.
Just go right to the president, get a decision, off you go.
But also, like Dan Pongino, for instance, even though he has past work in the Secret Service, you know, obviously one of the most popular right-wing show house now is deputy director of the FBI.
And, you know, you see there's a Graham Allen brought in as well.
He's a big podcaster.
Obviously, I think he might even be an ex-serviceman himself.
But there has been a real adoption of a lot of pro-Trump media into the administration and people raised.
So that's one of the things I would say I'm not totally on board with, but I have, but it's a mixed sense, which is, yes, I worry that I think Donald Trump looks at people that are successful in media as being ultimately successful.
In other words, I think he puts more, I think, I don't know this about him, but my sense, having talked to him a little bit, is that he sees somebody who's been successful on television because he's been a billionaire developer and he's been on television.
I think he thinks that the television was a more substantial thing, which is, I don't think that's true myself, but I think he really puts a lot of value, isn't even a strong enough word.
Yeah, the people who've been successful in TV that means something that they're special.
There's something about them where they could succeed in everything, right?
Which is not true.
And there has been a professionalization of our government administrations, right?
And government has gotten so complicated that there's a reason for that.
You need that kind of training.
So I'm worried about putting people that have been successful because they turned a microphone on, like you and I, and gotten an audience in positions that are quite complicated and might need some professional training that they may not have.
I worry about that.
On the other hand, the reason I like Sarah Palin is I liked her story.
I like the fact that she's sitting on the boards of a hockey rink and she goes, I can run this government state better than those guys.
And then did it.
And I like this is a government of the people by the people.
So as much as possible, I want to see just people in there running things.
I want to see that.
That's what this was supposed to have been.
And if we've grown or we become an organization that can't be that, then I'm sort of sickened, but I don't like it.
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See, well, that's actually almost the opposite of that.
That's why it's funny.
No one even knows what terms mean.
What I really wanted to get on is not, I don't want to talk about Israel.
I want to talk about the Jews.
I don't want to talk about the war in Gaza.
What I want to talk about is that, you know, focus on this idea of you being moderate and then finding out later that you're not moderate on something, something that you are absolute on.
There's this growing side of the left and right that has moving towards more extremist ideology, right?
They're becoming racially conscious.
They're against foreign wars, Ukraine and Gaza.
And it's sort of becoming an issue where it's literally becoming right now when it's pulled with Gen Z, that it's like 52% of Gen Z are more leaning towards that way of thinking.
Towards the more extreme racial consciousness against Israel, against the war in Ukraine, where older people are obviously, you know, pro-military industrial complex.
What do you see about the future impact, or what do you think this is going to do on our country that young people are leading towards leaning towards extremism on both sides, but particularly even in the Republican Party?
This is rather new.
They're leaning towards this more authoritarian, pro-fascist sort of nuance.
So Alexis de Tocqueville was a French aristocrat that came over here ostensibly to study the penitentiary system because we had this system of penitence, penitentiary, that was the sort of the envy of the world.
Criminals were put in for periods of time and rehabilitated and brought out and were better.
I don't know how we did that, but he wanted to look at that.
But he really was here to really study this new thing that he thought was going to take over the world called democracy.
And when he got here, he got it all right.
And the one thing he noticed, he was worried about the tyranny of the majority.
He didn't imagine a tyranny of the minority, which is a new thing we've invented, but he was worried about the tyranny of the majority.
He was worried about the amount of lawyers we have in this country.
He predicted that Russia and the United States would be the true two great world powers in the 20th century.
He just was clairvoyant.
But what he really saw was that the reason democracy in America worked was he called it the local practice of democracy.
Everybody participated in their classroom, in their city, in their county, in their state, and that that's what was different about us.
And the state, and we were supposed to be a coalition of state.
The federal government was not supposed to be a big part of our life.
That's where we went off the rail.
And to the extent that states are able to be autonomous and be functioning good governments again, that protects us a little bit against that kind of authoritarian stuff you're talking about.
Well, and this is what, this is where a big issue comes up.
Sometimes, you know, sort of like the English, I always laugh where they're like, really wanting to bring in Islam, but then also fighting for gay rights.
And you're like, well, look, if you're, I'm sure you have a lot of Muslim fans, if you're Islamic, whatever, that's your life.
But obviously, Islam is not tolerant of homosexuality.
And so, having, you know, inviting your city to become completely Muslim and then wondering why they don't want gay flags being flown anymore in the city.
Well, that's because you changed the culture.
You brought in different people.
They got into government.
And that civic engagement is sort of what has now changed the laws and the policies of your land.
And I see right now we have this mass immigration, right?
We have this both legal and illegal across the West.
Yesterday was just the Canadian elections, and we saw them still remain liberal, state, pro-mass immigration.
It's not popular to fight the illegal immigration.
The Conservative Party didn't win.
I have noticed that one of the main downsides or main impacts of legal immigration that we don't talk about is that when ethnically areas change, civic engagement actually goes down and participation in democracy, both in school boards, all the way from city, even up to state, decreases.
Do you think, what's your opinion on what you're seeing the impact of this sort of mass migration like in Western countries, sort of just changing the demographics, both legal and illegal?
And it seems to be across the board and sort of changing our democratic system.
So much like language, which I think it's a huge mistake not to require a common language.
You can have as many languages as you want, but we need to be able to talk to each other.
And in California, we for years pretended that we could have multiple languages going there.
We can't.
We can have them going, but we have to have a common language that we all understand one another with.
And I believe we have to have a common philosophy of what we're doing, why we are together as a state or a county or anything else.
I don't care what religion.
I don't care what sort of culture is practiced within your home or community.
Ultimately, we have to have a, and we have always had in this country.
That's why whoever immigrated here kind of got to participate because they, this is the only country founded on ideas.
You're aware of that, right?
We're the only country founded on ideas that were written down de novo.
They weren't handed down.
They weren't cultivated across many generations.
A bunch of guys sat down, old white men, I'll give you, but they sat down and they based on the best analysis of all the political theory of the time, what best form of government would likely thrive, help people thrive and grow and prosper.
And that we should all sign up to it if we're here.
We should all agree that's what we're doing.
Otherwise, there's a problem.
If you're not signing up for the common principle of this country, go to another country where we can sign up.
I wouldn't want to be in a country where I didn't agree with the basic principles.
I might disagree with certain things.
I want to go fight about it in the government, but the basic, the founding principles we have to all agree on.
But what I'm finding here is that like a lot of people don't believe in those principles.
And like, you know, when you see certain things like, you know, I'm against, I'm against anti-Semitism.
You know, I don't think that's a good thing.
But then you see this, these guidelines being adopted in South Dakota here in Florida that sort of, you know, change the free speech, right?
It's this, it's the IHRA.
Is that what it's called, I think?
Yeah, IHRA guidelines that they're pushing.
They're in Congress.
They're pushing these guidelines.
You know, so they want to combat something that's fine.
Go ahead and combat this, you know, or you see like at college campuses, you see selective fighting of speech, of speech where, you know, you have all this anti-white, anti-Western ideology that's actually toxic and making people not believe in those principles.
But then when they start getting anti-Semitic, you start seeing this fight towards taking away funding and making the colleges do something.
And it's working, in my opinion, taking away the funding is manipulating these universities, making them fall in line.
I feel like we don't apply our liberties and our principles equally.
I feel like we've gone from the some people are getting treated poorly, so we need to try to get better.
And we went over the ledge, and now we're treating some people worse again and some people better than other people.
There's this real uneven application.
I think it's making a lot of young men, particularly young white men, own just young straight men in general, very, very angry.
I think it was a well-meaning effort that went too far.
And I don't know where you draw the line.
Because I would sign up to the effort to try to set the scales right, try to get, you know, get, you know, there has been some mistreatment of certain people.
And by the way, we're, we need to be better students of history too.
What I'm laughing about is the real mistreatment that we did of black people was in the post-Civil War era, not slavery, which no, no, I'm not going to diminish how serious that was, but the extraordinary violence of the Reconstruction era, most people don't even know about.
And it's been collectively erased from our consciousness because it was so horrible.
Frederick Douglass himself said, I would gladly take back slavery because we gave up the lash for the shotgun.
Lynches, murders, rampant in the South during Reconstruction.
And that was the Democrats.
And that was the horror that was worse than anything else.
But it's just, we need to really reconcile what we did and when we did it and really get realistic about where our excesses were and try to make things better where we can.
Well, yeah, there's so much more we could talk about, but I wanted to kind of end on this.
Every podcast that I do, you know, I do it because realistically, a lot of women watch my shows, but I make these shows to help young men better understand the world, better understand their life so that they can be better leaders, better thinkers, and go out in the world and actually make a difference.
On a personal level, to the people listening and to the audience, what advice do you have for the young, angry men?
There's a website called Angry White Men, and it's a leftist website that just attacks white people.
It would have brought straight people out there tired of being demonized.
And they see gay people, basically sometimes committing like sexual assault, but they're on floats.
They're allowed to because they're gay, or they see a lot of this mistreatment and this unequal distribution.
And they're getting angry, right?
And we don't know what to do.
As young guys, some guys go the wrong way and they commit mass shootings because they hate people.
Or some people end up killing themselves, right?
Because they feel like they're so hopeless.
There's nothing they can do.
As somebody who's been wealthy, been successful, managed to get through life, has been open and honest, changed, been happy with your life.
What advice do you have to the young, angry, angry man out there who, how he could improve his life or what he should be doing to get back hold of peace, get control of his life?
If you stay focused on the basics, which is family, education, health, make sure you're not hungry, angry, lonely, tired, find meaning, be of service.
These things are critically important.
And in terms of meaning making, read and read broadly on particularly things if you have any weakness in your education on history and philosophy.
You need to understand the great ideas.
You need to understand how we got here.
You need to understand the human experience and you need to focus on your relationships.
Relationships need to be stable long-term.
You need to value the people in your life and cultivate relationships.
Don't let me put it this way.
When Freud came to this country in like the 19 teens and 20s, apparently there's a story maybe apocryphal, but I've heard it several times that he got off a ship.
The reporter was there to meet him and said, Dr. Freud, what do you hope to achieve here in America?
He said, well, I hope to come to an understanding of the difference between serious mental illness and ordinary misery.
Ordinary misery is good.
Lean in.
Lean in.
Lean into misery.
Lean into anxiety.
Lean into work.
This will set you free.
You'll develop resiliency.
You'll develop competencies.
Do not hide from stress.
The phone maybe hide from that because that's not really leaning into anything.
But lean into challenges and things will kind of tend to work out.
And things are not as bad as they seem when you compare the present moment to other moments of history.
They could get bad.
I'm not, don't know that they won't, but I don't think they will.
I love you guys to come over there because we do a streaming show.
Most of what I'm passionate about shows up on that streaming show.
But there's some of the things I'm about to do when I go to Washington, do interviews with people and things that will also go on my Instagram and other places.
