July 16, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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It seems like our greatest ally is once again wreaking havoc in the middle east - and as usual, America will have to deal with it. Is this really the state of affairs America wants to continuously be caught in?
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I'm a contributor here at Rift and very excited that we have something to talk about other than just Epstein tonight, even though we will be talking about that.
But, you know, I am interested to talk with the whole Israel situation as well.
And yeah, also subscribe to my YouTube channel, by the way, because me and Brayden did a great collab at Turning Point.
We were interviewing some of the attendees there and asking them questions, you know, about some controversial topics, repealing the 19th, support for Israel, some different things like that.
Well, good, because we definitely have a lot to talk about, starting with, of course, Israel, because like I said, they just can't stop.
They can't stop bombing.
Okay.
And that's exactly what they did.
They just bombed Syria.
And I want to start by, of course, talking about what Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, because, you know, we all knew when Marco Rubio was appointed to this position, I think, that this was not going to go the way we were hoping.
And of course, the way we're hoping is we want peace.
Okay.
We don't, and more than peace, we don't want the United States involved in these wars.
That's kind of just a basic America First tenet.
I don't think most people would disagree with that, who actually believe in America First.
Of course, the boomers who think they believe in it and they think that means defending Israel would disagree.
But in any case, I want to go ahead and go to what Marco Rubio said.
So let's go to that, Mike, because I think, yeah, that's an important one.
He said, we are very concerned about Israel's strikes in Syria.
We are talking with both sides, all relevant parties and want the fighting to stop.
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So my question is, how are we going to get the fighting to stop?
Like, the whole point of Assad being taken down and replaced by this regime that is, they're basically Islamic militants that are similar to al-Qaeda.
It's like the whole point of that and Israel totally back that regime change.
And you might be like, why would Israel want to back something like ISIS?
Well, it's because they want to destabilize the country because it's a lot easier to take over Syria when they don't have like a good regime in charge.
So, you know, we couldn't, we saw this coming from a mile away.
Obviously, that was the whole reason the regime change happened.
It wasn't because people like Barry Weiss, who, you know, I remember she went on, Joe Rogan was talking about how certain people are Assad toadies or whatever that means because they don't support regime change in Syria.
And it's like, yeah, because not all regime changes are good because sometimes they get swapped out with a regime that's actually even worse.
And so that was the whole point of Israel backing that regime change.
And now, of course, well, this is the outcome that is to be expected.
Israel just wants to be able to take out all of their neighbors so they have no threats against them.
They can start to expand their borders even further.
Well, don't you understand they were promised that like 3,000 years ago?
That's what they were guaranteed, apparently.
But it is really interesting, especially because you have Turkey now calling and saying if you don't stop, there will be ramifications.
And so there is at least some sort of threat.
We're on the precipice of something happening.
I don't know if it will be a war like what didn't happen in Iran where the U.S. decides to bomb another country in the Middle East that ends in a ceasefire where more countries, you know, bomb each other.
I mean, fun fact, for those of you who don't know, Israel's been around for 925 months and they've broken 963 ceasefires.
That's more than one a month on average, which is just absurd.
I wanted to show the Turkey to Israel situation there because like you just said, Turkey just made it clear it's not cool with Israel's bombing campaign.
This is from Mario Nafal, by the way, on Twitter.
Bombing campaign in Syria.
Turkey's intel agency reportedly delivered the warning straight to Israeli officials.
Foreign Minister Fidan said the strikes are stoking instability and that Syria's new leadership can't fix things without calm in the region.
And, you know, I wanted to also talk about what you just said, Sarah, because that's really important for people to understand.
If you are new to geopolitics, particularly in the Middle East, you need to understand that there are a lot of terrorist organizations, a lot of destabilizing threats in the Middle East that are actually backed by Israel.
And so in order to understand Israel's destruction and their desire to destabilize the entire region, you have to understand that they're behind a lot of these, quote, Iran-funded or Iran-backed terrorist organizations where they're, you know, you have to understand that they have every reason to be behind that.
And I think that's something people miss because they think it's as simple as like terrorists versus Israel.
And even if they think beyond that, what they don't realize is that, no, it's not actually about not taking the side of just not taking the side of ISIS versus Israel.
It's actually understanding that a lot of these terrorist organizations are backed by Israel.
The instability is literally caused by Israel.
So it's they're causing, you know, they're the cause and they're the reaction.
It's in it's in Israel's favor to have a weak enemy that uses these terrorist tactics because then they can get Western supports like, wow, look at how evil Hamas is.
There's no defending what Hamas did on October 7th.
And I mean, I agree with that.
There is no defending what Hamas did on October 7th because they're just attacking civilians, but that's preferable to an actual army attacking Israel, right?
But like, it's like, yeah, I don't, you know, I don't think anyone would care if like, I mean, even Muslims are doing that, like Texas and like Hindus and stuff.
Well, and so it's like everyone else is allowed to, you know, have freedom of association and like have their own communities.
But if white people do it, the ADL is fully trying to shut them down these lawsuits and stuff.
And didn't they say like a month ago that they weren't?
Because I was here last time we were talking about it in June.
They said that, like, Israel was not going to be covering certain events, or they weren't going to let certain journalists cover what was going on.
And I understand that, like, during wartime, like, countries do different things, they have different tactics, but it didn't really look good coming from Israel, coming from the country that is the aggressor in this situation.
Oh, I actually know someone who's a former colleague of mine.
I don't know if, yeah, I can say that.
When we both used to work at Rebel News, and then we both left, and he actually, his name's Jeremy Alfredo, he actually went to Israel and was reporting on what was going on after he left Rebel News, just doing independent work.
And Israel arrested him for reporting just on the ground, like not releasing any private information or anything.
And Israel arrested him, threw him in jail.
I think he said they even like hit him a bit and stuff.
They don't want anybody really critical covering these things because they also just don't want the truth out, which is the fact that they are the aggressor.
And because they can't take the victimhood stance anymore, obviously, which is what they keep claiming because they can't justify bombing these other countries.
And I do think like Western support for this is obviously running out.
Hundreds of Druze citizens are now reportedly crossing from Israel into Syria with zero action taken by the IDF and border police to stop them.
Despite official warnings and public police from Prime Minister Netanyahu and Druze leadership, no containment efforts are visible at the fence.
They're no longer isolated.
It is a mass crossing unfolding in real time.
Israel's policy of restraint is now being tested on both sides of the wire.
Now, I don't know what you guys make of this, but this seems like let all your enemies in so they can do something bad so that you have a reason to retaliate because they just bombed Syria and now they're putting themselves up.
Okay, our border's open.
If some bad guy manages to slip in and do something terrible to our citizens, well, then America, you have to come to our aid because look at us.
We're poor and helpless and we didn't do anything.
Yeah, and it's the same strategy that they've been recycling for years.
I mean, they did it with October 7th, too.
And like we were just discussing, are these enemies really organic or is Israel funding them?
You know, I would say the latter is true.
So it is interesting because it's two things going on at once.
It's like we're going to create this optic that it's our enemy, but we're also going to create the optics that they just kind of infiltrated as if we had nothing to do with the creation of these enemies.
So, I mean, it's, it, it just classic Israel.
And there's really nothing They're just going to keep doing this until the Trump admin puts them in their place or until some president does.
And I don't think that will be the Trump admin.
So I think we're just going to continue taking their side.
So kind of back to square one, like what Marco Rubio was saying, we want peace.
All right.
Well, we're never going to achieve it because we kind of screwed ourselves over in that way.
And I do want to kind of shift gears.
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Speaking of dropping tea levels, yeah, I wish he would raise his so he would stand up to these foreign countries that he keeps sending billions of dollars to.
And of course, most recently, that would be Ukraine, which we were told that he was going to be this like badass guy, badass president who was finally going to put Zelensky in his place, but obviously that's not happening.
And I want to go to this right now.
Let's see.
This is on Rift TV on our website.
Trump shifts gears, sends billions in weapons to Ukraine via NATO allies.
This is just sickening because for starters, like I just said, there was a lot of hope that he was actually going to put an end to this war.
And we knew since, you know, probably a little bit after the first term, okay, we don't really trust him when it comes to Israel.
But at least, at least we thought he was going to put an end to the billions we've been giving Ukraine.
So I want to go ahead and go to you, Sarah, just to give your take on what's going on here.
Also, I don't think I believed ever that we were going to fully get the Epstein files or anything, but I didn't think it would be this bad where the gas lit us this hard and he turned on his own base.
But with the Ukraine thing, this was like the number one promise, guys.
Like even people who are pro-Israel and, you know, pro-foreign intervention in foreign wars when it comes to Israel, most of those people generally were still against sending foreign aid to Ukraine.
This was like a regular right-wing talking point that all these people were saying, like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK and all these people who joined the Trump campaign and made him win were saying that we're going to stop supporting Ukraine.
So this is just like one of, I would say, this is like a huge disappointment because it's like, really?
This feels like, this feels like the easiest thing you could have done.
Well, and yeah, I mean, for so long, that was the one thing that we, everybody was saying, including myself, because I actually didn't think it would be that hard to stand up against Zelensky.
And he kind of did.
Like, people were saying that he was like pro-Putin, which is like not true at all.
And I hope he's not kind of giving into that narrative to try and seem like he's, well, no, I'm not pro-Putin.
I'll prove it to you by continuing to give money to Zelensky.
Like, I hope that's not what's going on here, but something tells me that's probably part of it.
And not to be like blackpilled on it, but I do think if there's one white pill here, the takeaway would be, of course, that maybe people will see that we were lied to about the foreign war situation.
And a lot of people are waking up when it comes to Israel.
Obviously, now we have this news.
He's going to continue to give money to Ukraine.
So I do have hope that people are seeing this and they're thinking, well, maybe we need to be a little bit more critical when it comes to the people that we support from day one, the people that we raise up to these godlike figures, which is blasphemous anyway, like coming from people who call themselves Christian a lot of the time.
It's so impossible to know with someone like Trump, like how much.
How much did he actually want to fulfill his campaign promises?
I think he does care about these things to some extent, but it's hard to know how much it's him or how much it's just the system and the people that are in his ear and the people he's trying to work with.
And I mean, who knows, right?
Like the donors, the special interest groups he's trying to please.
He owes people favors for sure for getting elected.
So I think that's a big part of it.
It's really hard to know how much it's Trump and how much it's just like this unbreakable system that we once thought he was against.
And I don't know if you guys have seen, but they have like videos where they recruit people.
I don't think we have it, but it's, they'll actually like force people to be recruited, young men to be recruited for this war.
And it's like, when you get to that point and it's been going on for this long, who's going to put an end to it?
You know, and it has to be somebody like Trump.
It has to be a third party, somebody who was supposed to be on the side of peace, world peace, but he's not going to do it.
And what's worse is we're using our resources.
That's the cherry on top.
We're using American resources to back this.
So I do want to play another video here because this was interesting.
He said, I'm on nobody's side.
You know, who signed?
Well, actually, did we was able to do that?
Yeah, he said, so this is another thing he just announced.
He said, Trump just announced that his big major announcement is that he'll impose nearly 100% tariffs on Russia if Putin doesn't agree on a deal with Ukraine in 50 days, which doesn't really make any sense considering he just was the one who backed Ukraine and all of that.
She's like, I would rather take some tax dollars and allocate it to supporting my family rather than sending weapons to another country to keep this perpetual war going.
If he really wants the war to end, just keep implementing more and more tariffs on both countries until they either concede with each other, one country wins, and they become a super country again.
It was like me fighting my little brother and then my mom punishing only me and going like, I'm not choosing favorites, but Brayden, no candy after dinner, no dessert after dinner.
And my little brother gets a bowl of ice cream and I'm sitting there like, that's favoritism, mom.
What are you doing?
And even then in the analogy.
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At 23 years old, that sounds like a little too small.
Yeah, Sarah might not want to show hers because it's going to show 99% Ashkenazi.
But anyway, next to Super Chat is from some Greek name.
I can't even read it, but it says, hey guys, Israel Medically Aided Al-Nusra, aka Al-Qaeda in Syria, published in Jerusalem Post, also referred to Clean Break Memo of 1996 commissioned by, I'm guessing that's just a code for Jews on YouTube.
And I did kind of bring that up at the beginning of the video that Israel has basically funded the regime change by giving the equivalent of al-Qaeda weapons in Syria.
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So I've thought about this because I've been and I've like been shocked at his behavior and his reactions.
Like just shocked.
He's called us stupid.
He's been dismissive.
Stop talking about it.
Stop talking about it.
And it's kind of his behavior that made the whole thing weird.
Because, yeah, he campaigned on releasing the Epstein files.
His entire base, the QAnon especially base, was like born around the Epstein files and everything like that.
I, and if he had come like to done a press release and been like, hey, listen, I'm gonna do a press release about Epstein and gone through it and been like, hey, guys, this is what happened.
This, I'm like informing like, and he was like, there was a way to do it.
And the way he's done it is just all wrong.
Like, dismissive.
Don't talk about it.
Oh, you're stupid.
Like, it's just his reaction to something so big that his entire base was built off of and his behavior is what is tripping me out.
Like, it is the way he addressed it.
Just, it's very bizarre to me.
I think it has something to do with Alan Dershowitz.
That's what I think.
His lawyer, everybody forgets, like, about like Dershowitz.
He did that interview that he was, you know, he's at Epstein's mansion and he got a massage, but he kept his underwear on.
And he was like, but I kept my underwear on, but I kept my underwear on.
And they've taken, you know, you've seen the next steps that they've taken because originally it was there is no file, stop asking, stop asking, stop asking.
And now the next stage in this is, you know, insulting anyone who acts, oh, well, these people are just fat, lazy, you know, idiots who don't know what they're doing.
I especially loved Benny Johnson's statement the other day.
He's like, oh, I talked to top Intel officials and they're saying that it's, you know, it's all under control.
And they're talking about, it's just like, I don't know where these people are getting fed, but they're trying everything to see what sticks with us and nothing's working because we survived Stop the Steal.
We didn't cave.
Tell us, forget the stolen election.
It's not real.
It never happened.
You know, it wasn't, we kept pushing on.
The COVID lockdowns, we're freaking veterans.
We're not like backing down.
And he has to remember who his base is.
We're not backing down just because Misfit Patriot, who is that freak?
Well, and that's kind of what we were saying last night.
Like there's just, they're just trying so hard to come up with these excuses.
Like they're twisting themselves into pretzels, coming up with new excuses, throwing it at the wall, seeing what sticks, and nothing's sticking.
And they're getting extremely, they're very concerned because people are calling Trump out.
People are calling the Trump admin out.
They're calling out Pam Bondi and they're kind of panicking because what are they, where do they go from here if they couldn't even do the most basic thing, which was to expose these child traffickers, which was, again, a cornerstone of Trump's campaign.
And he said that himself when he hosted the Sound of Freedom premiere and so much more.
So many other things that he had done.
And I praised him vehemently back when he was doing that.
But obviously now we're not, he's not living up to that standard.
Speaking of which, obviously, there has been kind of a debate on the right, as you just heard, Misfit Patriot talking about it.
And there's a lot of people on the right who have been defending this action from the Trump admin to continue withholding the Epstein files, including, like we were talking about earlier, Dinesh D'Souza.
And we had him on.
Well, Elijah had him on the show to discuss this very topic.
So I do want to go ahead and go to that, because I think that's a very interesting discussion for you guys to hear.
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Mr. President, I know you want to move past all this intrigue over the Epstein files, but I do want to ask you to clarify something.
He may get elected too, actually, but he'll destroy the city.
No, no, I call it the Epstein hoax.
Takes a lot of time and effort.
Instead of talking about the great achievements, we've had a great gentleman yesterday, as you know, went on CNBC and he made the statement that Trump may go down as the greatest president of all in the United States.
And instead of talking about the things we've achieved, we've had tremendous achievement.
They're wasting their time with a guy who obviously had some very serious problems who died three, four years ago.
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy, the best we've ever had, and all of the things we've done, including in the Middle East.
I mean, you see it.
Instead, they want to talk about the Epstein hoax.
And the sad part is it's people that are really doing the Democrats' work.
Trump is using some extremely loaded language now, calling the Epstein situation, which I call a scandal, the Epstein hoax.
He even called it a Democrat hoax.
And those who continue to talk about it as stupid.
Some of his most ardent followers, including Benny Johnson and Jack Pasobic, this has split his base into what I consider to be one of the most consequential and somewhat blightening moments of the Trump administration.
However, not everybody agrees with me.
Some people say that, well, we should go with Trump's call because, well, maybe he knows more than us, or there's something else out there that I'm missing.
And rather than just dismissing the people who are agreeing with Trump, one of those individuals, Dinesh D'Souza, he's an author, a filmmaker, and an incredible voice on the right wing who cares about this country, joins me today to talk about this riff between those who say Trump is in the wrong and those who say, well, we should go with the MAGA movement and believe when he says we got to drop it.
It stands on its own with or without knowing anything about you.
But I can't help but feel that a lot of people like yourself included are playing the long game here, particularly when it comes to politics, realizing, look, it's probably not politically expedient and profitable to really come against the Trump campaign when he's taken such a hard line.
Why?
Or what could you convince people like me that you're not just playing politics and that we also should somehow believe after Trump did the photo op phase one of the Epstein files, after he went out and Pam Bonnie said that the Epstein files were on her desk, and that suddenly now we should be like, well, if we want answers, we're stupid.
It feels like a smack in the face.
And it just seems, and I'm not accusing you, I'm wanting you to explain to me, it seems like yourself and others are just playing the game to not upset the Trump administration.
In a representative democracy, as opposed to a direct democracy, we elect people and we put them into positions of power mainly because we trust their judgment.
On a lot of issues, it will be the case that they will make a call based upon their kind of view of things that is not shared by us.
I mean, a really good example is Trump says Iran has, or Iran is approaching the point of getting nuclear weapons.
Now, you and I could say, well, prove it to us.
And Trump is like, I don't have to prove it to you.
I have access to all kinds of knowledge, intelligence, insider information.
You elected me to make the call.
And so I'm going to send out the B2 bombers and take out those facilities.
If it was your call, then we would have a direct democracy where Dinesh and Elijah could go on their computer and hit fire or hit send, and then the B2 bombers would go out that way.
But that's not our political system.
And now I'm using the analogy of Iran, but the same would apply to Epstein.
Now, let's say you and I can certainly think of two or three scenarios where we would be in Trump's place and we are looking at these files as they are, and there's something in them or not in them or about them.
And we make a decision that we don't want to release these files and we don't want to give the reason why we're not doing it.
And I just want to add a caveat to that then, though.
People are saying that one of those reasons could be that Lutnik or some of his donors were close to Epstein and he's doing them a favor, or that there's information maybe Trump didn't know was about himself that could either implicate him or that was tampered with, that makes him look guilty of crimes, that it's a selfish endeavor.
I think American people aren't convinced, just like the weapons of mass destruction, that the reasons why, we know he has reasons, but the reasons why he's doing this are actually in the benefit of the American people and not the donor and elite class.
But okay, so let's look at some of these potential reasons.
Let's allow ourselves to go into the world of speculation, right?
So one reason, this was alluded to by Jesse Kelly, I think, in a post that he did earlier today.
Let's say, for example, that through some sort of doctoring in the very recent past, the Democrats or Comey or those guys added Trump's name to the file.
So his name has now been inserted into the file.
It wasn't in the file before, but it's in there now.
So, Trump could then say, all right, I'm going to release the file, and then I'm going to have to give explanations of what happened, and we're going to have to figure out who added it and when.
And Trump goes, I don't want to deal with it.
That's scenario number one.
Let's go to scenario number two.
And that is that the whole situation with all these names is not a specific list.
It's not like Epstein had a Rolodex, but rather that you've got all these people who were associated with Epstein, maybe even went to Epstein's island, but there is a menagerie of consent decrees, court orders, confidentiality agreements, attorney-client privilege, all this nest of constraints.
And so, as a result, it's a viper's nest to try to cut through that and just release these names.
Option number three: Alan Dorshowitz says that I have seen the list or I know who's on the list, but Alan Dorshowitz also says that there are false names on the list, including his, that people like Virginia Jufray named him and he didn't do anything.
And so, there's a me tooism going on here where people's names are on the list who might be being falsely accused.
And so, Trump goes, Listen, I may have a kind of random list, but I'm not going to just release the list where it's got guilty and not guilty people mixed in together and let the American people sort it out.
So, what I'm getting at is, I don't know which, I'm not saying it's A or B or C. I'm simply saying that I think in a situation like this, there is a judgment call to be made at the end of the day.
And I suppose there is a question of whether or not we trust Trump to make that judgment or not.
And I also do, not only because I like make a character assessment of Trump as a great guy, it's not anything like that.
I say to myself, the country hangs in the balance, right?
We are basically fighting in a vicious battle against people who would destroy us and destroy the country.
American politics is fought in teams.
I think there is some element of truth to what Trump is saying when he says that there are multiple issues in front of us that require MAGA attention and MAGA involvement.
Things like, for example, pressuring the Senate to do something about the Biden Autopen scandal.
That would be one example.
Recently, of course, the focus on the rescissions package to make sure that we have the appropriate votes, dealing with these runaway judges.
So a little bit of the prudential aspect of politics is to say, hey, listen, is this the time where we want to, because of our legitimate demand for transparency, are we willing to not only weaken our own side by creating an internal fracas, but we're going to give a lifeline to the never Trumpers and the Democrats.
These are people like thrashing around in the water.
They finally see a long stick, and the stick is called the Epstein case.
And we go, no problem.
We're going to pull you to the shore and give you all this new political energy because of this issue.
So in a sense, we are now uniting with the Democrats against Trump.
And I say to myself, how can that be good for our side?
Listen, and I'm married, so I completely understand sometimes you got to just let things slide.
Sometimes it's not about being right.
Sometimes it's about peace.
It's about harmony.
There are other aspects to human communication outside of Spergs on the internet who just demand that everything's done for them, but they offer nothing to the country, nothing to the movement.
I totally understand that there is that to consider.
But I do bring up what you just mentioned.
You know, we trust Trump with Iran.
We trust Trump maybe with this as well.
Look, with Operation Warp Speed and what we saw during the lockdowns and the way he didn't stand up to Fauci, the way he continued to triple down, quadruple down on the injections, calling it the greatest accomplishment possibly in all of history is what I heard him say of any president ever.
You know, maybe he's right.
Maybe we are all hallucinating and we think this is, you know, this is a bad thing, that these injections were harmful, except for my family, personally, anecdotally, were very much harmed by them.
Several of them were.
And I had a friend who died as a result.
So going forward, though, to Iran, it's like, you know, we hear Tulsi Gabbard, DNI intelligence, saying, in fact, that, you know, Iran is not anywhere near these weapons of mass destruction.
And then all of a sudden, when Netanyahu comes and he wants to attack Iran, suddenly they aren't near this expulsionary process to push these nukes into the West.
We even have Ted Cruz people talking about bombing New York, and then we find out their ICBMs couldn't reach New York.
And you kind of find that maybe, even maybe, you still have some of the same people involved from Iraq on.
You have this bad elitist people, but also I bring up the question, which you just debated.
A lot of people say he's protecting our greatest ally.
He's protecting Israel, that the connections of Ehud and Mossad and the past prime minister and intelligence makes this too tricky to our relations.
And in fact, he's not withholding the files for the American people.
He's withholding them to protect his donor class, particularly and those that lobby the government, AIPAC, and the Israeli government.
Do you think there's any truth to that?
Or do you think that people, there's a lot of people who feel that in the MAGA base who are not anti-Semitic or not anti-Israel, but they see the connection, including, we saw it with Tucker, even Megan Kelly.
Yeah, I mean, I think here we're dealing with some separate issues that need to be disentangled a little bit.
First of all, with regard to the COVID issue, I think that the real kind of crime of COVID was the release of the virus, right?
I mean, the virus killed a lot of people and generated a worldwide calamity that did have to be dealt with.
I think Trump felt under the circumstances, he was doing speedily the very best that he could.
I think he felt also that some of the MAGA people were wrongly focusing on the vaccine as the problem, whereas it was actually the release of the virus that was the more serious problem.
Now, admittedly, the vaccine was oversold.
You know, you're not going to get COVID.
You can't transmit COVID.
All of that coming out of Rochelle Belensky was false.
So, you know, they should have sold the vaccine on a much more modest, hey, listen, this is a vaccine.
It might lessen the severity of COVID, but it's untested.
We haven't been able to study it enough.
And yes, you're free to take it or not to take it.
They didn't do that.
And so I think that Trump did learn some things from Trump 1.
I mean, we can see quite clearly that Trump in the last six months has been a Trump unlike any Trump we've seen before.
He in the first term was very deferential to people, not just Fauci, but people like John Kelly.
I mean, I think Trump came in and he thought, hey, listen, a general is a great guy.
Generals are trained to do what you tell them to do.
So if I get John Kelly and I tell him to do X, he's going to do X.
And the idea that this guy would like stab him in the back did not occur to Trump in the first term.
But he's wise to all that stuff now.
Now, with regard to Iran and the nukes, I think that there's been a pretty consistent thread with Trump in saying Iran should not be allowed to have a nuke.
If Trump had never said that before and suddenly came to that position, then you could say that somebody is talking him into it, cajoling him, strong-arming him in some way.
I think Trump is sometimes thought to be something different than he is.
There are people who want the U.S. not to get involved in any of this foreign adventurism at all.
But I think Trump's view has always been a repudiation of Bush, but not a repudiation of Reagan.
You know, Reagan was willing to do a strike on Libya.
Trump was willing to do a strike on Soleimani.
Trump is not averse to the idea that the world is a bad place.
There are people who think we are the great Satan.
If they are aspiring to these dangerous weapons, and let's say we are not sure.
Are they at 60% there?
Are they 90% there?
Are they 99% there?
Who cares if we can send two B-2s overnight and wipe out their facilities and cripple them for, let's say, a dozen years?
So, but in connection directly to the question of who is Trump representing, I think that's what you brought up earlier.
It's like the question in mind then with this Israel suggestion is there is overwhelming evidence in my personal experience that Epstein is related to somewhat Israeli intelligence.
I doesn't mean he's not related to American intelligence.
It seems like something's happening.
And when they say, well, there's no list, I didn't promise a list.
There's files.
You go, okay, well, okay, young girls are being raped.
And we've been told that there's tons of videos of this, and no one wants the videos released of the girls being raped.
Okay, that's not what we're asking for.
But who was raping the girls?
If there are gigabytes and gigabytes of low-resolution cameras that do not take massive amounts of data, especially during years when they weren't filming in 4K, then who was raping the girls?
Can you not release images of the women blurred or completely blacked out and show the faces of the people?
We all know there's more that can be done.
But the question is, just like we're seeing Diddy get off on a lot of these charges with massive accusations, we see Comey's daughter intertwine.
We know there's some Democrat meddling.
We know that he's accurate.
But why wouldn't he just come out and say, listen, I want to be clear to you guys: A, Israel's not involved.
This has nothing to do with Mossad.
That is a conspiracy theory.
Here's the evidence.
B, C, and explain to us why we're wrong.
Instead, we get cajoled and spoken down to that we're stupid, we're not real MAGA, we're not his base.
And I take offense to that considering my producer who's sitting here was facing five years in prison for defending him on January 6th.
I myself have been under investigation and had all my files taken and my bank records lifted and phones tapped and by the FBI for wiretapping for documenting January 6th.
It's like, oh, don't tell me when we were going to lose our freedom for you, and we're willing to do it, that we're not supporting you.
Why would he not just clarify and provide the evidence instead of reprimanding us like we're some sort of idiots?
Yeah, I can't, you know, I won't, I won't defend that.
I will just say this: that Elijah, you know, here's the thing: you know, we you and I have been around in politics a while.
And what we what we get with Trump is a very unique kind of personality, right?
He is he is a comedian of almost unrivaled like timing and effectiveness, but he is also a belligerent.
And by that, I mean he goes further, not just than any politician or any president, but he goes pretty much further than anyone on social media in the way that he derides people, he attacks people, and especially if his pride is wounded.
Trump is in this respect, just as a personality, just as a character, he's very different than Reagan.
But here's the point: that we all know this.
Knowing all this, we signed on with this guy, right?
We basically said that his package of qualities in this particular environment is exactly what the country needs.
That the kind of Reaganite decorum is not what we're signing up for.
We are kind of in a combat environment.
And this guy is essentially General Grant.
And now what you're saying is, oh my gosh, he's going off on these alcoholic rants.
Oh, my gosh, he's, you know, he's setting fire to things.
He's yelling at his own troops.
Well, you signed up for General Grant.
I'm sorry to tell you.
So I kind of take Trump for what he is, right?
And I ask myself this question.
What is irritating Trump about this so much?
And I think what's irritating Trump so much is that even though you're right, the January 6 guys went to jail, I was in a confinement center, many of us have kind of put ourselves to some degree on the line, but I think Trump thinks, listen, I put myself on the line unlike anybody else.
I mean, I was facing 90 plus charges, a lifetime in prison.
These people would have destroyed me.
They tried to assassinate me.
So hasn't this earned me at least a modicum of respect where people can say, all right, I'm going to give this guy a little bit of rope because he has put it all on the line.
He's not doing this because he is being manipulated by Ned and Yahoo.
I mean, it's the idea that a country of 10 million people can manipulate a country of 350 million people.
It makes no sense.
And I think Trump is just offended by the suggestion that he's somehow a pawn of somebody.
It's like the elephant being a pawn of the mosquito.
Well, I know they're not talking about Israel, so I'm not going to go too far into it, but I don't think it's ridiculous.
And I think sometimes, especially my generation, understands, you know, the way that so many people are lackadaisical and are apathetic to the political world.
They care, but not even enough to vote, right?
Some people don't even go out and vote.
And we know there's even anomalies.
There's issues in our voting system.
And also, like you go down, you go, well, how could they have so much effect?
I'll tell you just one example.
Well, APAC doesn't need to control every election.
They may not have the power to do that, but they can strategically ensure during our primaries that both candidates from the Republican or the Democratic parties are at least friendly to Israel or Zionists.
As we saw with Brandon Herrera, APAC putting in over a million dollars in a very small and niche Texas district to ensure that him, who he wasn't even against Israel and he's a veteran, saying, you know, hey, I just am not for the wars of Israel.
I don't want to defend this.
They outspent him and primarily him in his own district.
We've seen this continually.
Even now, we see a little bit going on with Nasse, although I don't want to go down that road.
So I think that Israel being strategic, no one says Jewish people are unintelligent.
And I think with enough power together over enough decades, there is the ability for an individual, because it's not just 10 million people in a nation.
Remember, they have millions of people in our country in the highest echelons, the most influential markets, and the most powerful industries.
So if you pair that nation with the influence they have internally, this Fabian class, this class, you could perhaps with dual allegiance, not control the whole nation, but you could control aspects of it, things that are beginning to irritate the American public.
And I think that's why many people, because of the war going on in Gaza, paired with what people still want to know about 9-11, now with Iran, they start to wonder.
And I think most people believe that his number one reason he's doing this is to protect Israel, Israeli assets.
But I think people are now questioning if it's a bigger issue simply because now he's just, you know, he's calling us names because we want to know.
And I think that's the most confusion.
And I actually wouldn't disrespect him if he said, listen, for the sake of international peace, politics, and foreign policy, we cannot release this because it'll compromise larger international goals that we have.
Unfortunately, we're sorry for the victims, but we have to move on if we want to have global dominance.
People die, people get raped in war, and this is a war.
I may not like it, but hey, at least be honest.
I kind of want to end here.
I disagree on the Israel shoe, but why wouldn't he just be honest?
He's blasted, I think he called Glenn Beck dumb as a rock.
This is not Trump acting in a new register or a new key.
Trump, when he feels that people are going against him, including his own side, he's very capable of lashing out.
This is entirely to that degree in character.
I just don't think we should pretend to be like surprised by it or even take offense because this is Trump's personality.
Okay.
Now, with regard to the issue of Israel, I'll just make a very brief thought.
And that is: look, you know, the Jews are what, maybe 25 million in the world.
The Muslims are two and a half billion people.
Not only that, but countries like Qatar are sitting on essentially a bottomless ocean of resources, oil and money.
And you can't say that they aren't buying giant amounts of influence.
In fact, if AIPAC was so powerful, why couldn't they keep the Democratic Party in line?
Qatar has basically bought off a large chunk of the Democratic Party.
People like Ilhan Omar and so on, who are once on the very margins of the party, are now front and center.
And some of the Jewish congressmen in the Democratic Party have to like run for cover because suddenly the jihadis are more in control.
So all I'm saying, I'm not denying that there's foreign influence.
I'm just saying there's foreign influence coming from different directions.
And there's also domestic influence.
I mean, if you're saying Israel can buy off congressmen, what about the pharmaceutical industry?
What about the food industry?
What about the construction and real estate industries?
So what I'm getting at is we have a bad system that incentivizes our politicians to take money from lobbyists instead of the $50 and $100 checks that they get from their own district.
But I mean, in retrospect to just this one issue, I actually agree with you.
And you might even find a lot of Jewish people maybe even leading some of these industries in the food sector and the pharmaceutical sector.
That doesn't mean that they're connected then to a Jewish lobby that's influencing foreign policy.
And I'm not making that claim, right?
It's not inherently because you're Jewish, you have dualegiance, but many suggest that.
But I do think that there is an allegiance that Jewish people have to their homeland, to their country.
But when we're talking about this issue, I'm not talking about dual citizen Jews that run, you know, Moderna or whatever out there.
I'm talking about particularly the fact that this was a blackmail ring.
And I'm under the impression, too, at the level that we are doubling down on this and now calling it a hoax, it makes me continue to, you know, I'm not alone on this.
I'm not uneducated.
I don't think Tucker's uneducated.
I don't think people think Megan Kelly's uneducated.
I think a lot of people who I'm even surprised about, including it was Charlie, although he just jumped ship, were going, dude, this is too suspicious.
You know, Matt Walsh, one of them as well, you know, who is in a pro-Zionist network.
These are not anti-Israel.
These are not anti-Jewish individuals going, something is wrong.
And it might be, maybe it's what everyone said.
They're blackmailed.
And to be quite honest, if I was caught raping a child as well on camera, I'd be pretty damn vehement to make sure that there's nothing released.
And I might say, I'm so loyal to the boys, you know, maybe just maybe if I was a little more corrupt than I am now, had a little more to lose, or maybe I was threatened to be killed if they threatened to kill my kids.
I might also, you know, not be willing to sacrifice the blood of my own children to just put a couple criminals behind Ayn Barnes.
I get it.
We're human beings.
But I just, I want to end with this, Dinesh.
I cannot get behind personally whether we disagree on why, because we don't know.
We are conjecturing based upon the evidence we see.
And you're not even dismissive that it could be Israeli blackmail.
You're not even saying that could be one of the reasons.
Who knows?
The issue is like the only reason I see to drop this and to get behind Trump is not to be America first.
It's not to make America great again.
It's to ensure my place as a lobbyist with the GOP or my place to run for politics or my place to continue to tap into the GOP donor class since Lara Trump is now running the RNC.
I don't see it to be beneficial to my people, to the constituency of this country, and to the real right wing, to the nationalist class of people who want life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness to return, including your own son-in-law, who's fantastic, by the way, really crushing it out there.
I'm very, very proud of him.
I just don't see anybody falling in line unless, like the blackmail ring, get in line or you're out of the club.
Yeah, you know, when I first made the comment about Epstein, and I did use the phrase, move on, what I didn't mean that there's nothing here or it's not a scandal.
I don't believe Epstein killed himself.
And obviously, he ran a ring where he drew in all these very powerful people.
Now, was he running a prostitution ring collecting money?
I don't know about that.
But it is clear that he was running an influence ring.
And so, yes, there is information there that I want to know.
I think that something terrible occurred and I think people should be held accountable.
And you cannot have all these women who were abused without someone who was abusing them.
There's really no disagreement about any of that.
I think that the issue is really, at this point, somewhat different.
And that is, what is the information that we can reasonably expect to be released?
Are we willing on this issue to sort of break with Trump?
Are we willing to give up the gains of MAGA and basically bring the MAGA transformation to a grinding halt?
Because essentially we've reached a point of no negotiation or no return with Trump.
In other words, are we essentially saying that this issue is so important to us that we would let the country go off the precipice with us and with Trump in it because we're not getting our way in it?
And I understand the passion behind it, but it seems to me that that is a, I mean, that is a suicidally foolish course of action.
And I don't have any dog in the fight.
I mean, my reputation was built long before Trump.
I'm not sidling up to Trump.
You won't see me hanging around Mar-a-Lago.
I don't seek any appointments.
I haven't gotten any phone calls.
I'm just calling it based upon really a lifetime of having watched American politics and sometimes recognizing that even if there are legitimate demands that are made by a populist movement, you're going to have a leader, be it a Reagan or be it a Trump, who's not going to meet them.
And I want to say to you, I really appreciate you coming on and having this discussion because like you said, I know that you don't owe anything to Trump.
And I believe that because today we seem to have been in this position where the right wing disagrees.
And for some reason, you know, people will only talk to people who agree with them on a key or two issues.
And they won't have discussions because it's like, I won't associate with that person or I won't talk with that person.
And I know you have spoken to some, you know, I think you spoke to Fuentes.
You had a debate there, more like a conversation.
Things that many people, even younger than you, that claim to be more overtly politically, have more prowess than you are afraid to do because they're going to lose money or lose an invite.
And I think I salute you and I appreciate your boldness and your ability to engage with people even when you disagree, even when you don't have all the answers.
I think you're a testimony to what the American values of free discourse and political banter really, really were meant for in this nation.
As an imperfect man myself, I know you're not perfect.
I know you haven't gotten it all right in life and you never will.
But for the most part, I just want to say to the audience, if you want to check out Dinesh, he does make some incredible films.
Whether you agree with him in this conversation or you disagree with him, he's done amazing work, especially with election integrity, a lot going on with past presidential primaries and what was going on in the elections in general, things going on with Hillary.
And Dinesh, you're also an author of several books.
If people want to keep up with you and they want to track with you on social media, buy your books, what's the best place that they can connect?
The rest of you guys watching, if you're watching right now, you would know that I'm not on the rest of the show tonight because I am currently, I'm not lying, I'm at my house cooking steak and with the boys.
No, I literally had to take a night off tonight to watch my kids so my wife could go out.
But of course, the boys will never take a night off without cooking a nice steak.
So I appreciate you guys supporting the show and for that steak homer Jay Fuentes for buying it for me.
Well, I think that was, I can really applaud Dinesh D'Souza and his ability to be, or his willingness to sit down with people that, you know, may be on the outskirts of the mainstream media to have these discussions.
And so I do applaud him for that, but we do need to switch topics really quickly because this is breaking news.
This is much more important than the Epstein files.
You guys don't understand.
Look at what we have here.
Donald Trump just announced.
We go to my screen.
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I want to go over to this right here about Thomas Massey and Rokana.
Thomas Massey and Rokana have jointly introduced a bipartisan bill mandating Attorney General Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files within 30 days.
Okay, I'm actually not surprised by this at all because obviously they just had that bill that they voted on where Rokana was behind it.
And, you know, obviously I'm not, I don't think that like the left, the Democrats woke up one day and started to care about child trafficking.
But what I will say is regardless of their intentions, it is something that we can see, you know, people get behind, you know, meaning people meeting Massey, Rokana, and whoever else.
So this is actually, I think, really important because this is the only opposition we're really seeing any real opposition.
So their job as MAGA influencers is to back up and have President Trump's back no matter what.
And that's what basically we heard was, well, we elected him to do that.
It's kind of devolved.
Each argument has devolved.
Like, and this is where we're at right now, where it's like, well, we're not a real democracy where everybody gets to make the decision.
We elected President Trump.
He has all the information.
We don't have it.
We have, you know, we don't get intel committees or whatever.
And apparently, President Trump does.
And that's why we have to trust him in his decision, which would be, I mean, and I would have, I would have trusted his decision had he not done it in the way he had.
It was his presentation that made me, I was like, whoa, he is on that list.
Like it made me feel like that the way had he done it.
And it was that simple.
So we don't know who exactly is influencing Trump's decision behind, you know, closing the case, but we do know who is influencing his media takes to it, like his messaging, because that's Zionist messaging all over the place.
The Zionists are like, yeah, just say this, just say, forget about it, forget about it.
People that are completely out of touch with his base are part of the donor class, but want to make this go away.
And they're stupid enough to tell him, hey, this is, just call him stupid, you know?
Candace Owens, I think, posted something.
It was funny.
It was like, you know, Trump's like one week away from calling us a basketball of deplorables.
Like, you know, that's if he keeps insulting us, like, good Lord.
And that's how we know that Zionists are writing the messaging and people like Susie Wiles, which is his chief of staff.
And if anybody knows Susie Wiles, they know that she runs the show.
So she runs Trump's show.
She's the one making these decisions and these calls, the hiring, everything like that.
So she, I think she ran like a big part of the Republican Party in Florida for years, but she got in with Trump and she has played as a major gatekeeper against like some of the most America-first advocates.
She keeps them far away.
You know, she tried to, I know, I keep, I think, Laura Lumer for away for a while too.
It is interesting because one of the questions that Dinesh asked, and I saw this in a clip as well as what he asked Elijah, was, oh, well, maybe, you know, we don't have all, like you said, we don't have all the answers.
How can we really know for sure what he's going to like?
Put yourself in his shoes, but we can.
And I think a lot of us are seeing that and going, okay, I can put myself in Trump's shoes.
And unless I or someone that I am friends with or, you know, is part of my cabinet is implicated in any way, shape, or form, I would be perfectly content releasing this.
And even if people in my cabinet were implicated in this, this was a campaign promise.
And so as much as I could sit here and go, oh, well, Americans are dumb and we can sort of take advantage of the working class because that's what, that's what the Unit Party has done for decades, if we're being honest, it really is disingenuous.
And I think a lot of people are rightly calling it out.
And so while I applaud, obviously, what Dinesh is doing by sitting down and having these discussions with people, I find it hard when you're asking these hypothetical questions as if the answer is not almost right in front of your face.
Yeah, kind of back to what you're saying about Susie Wiles, though, it is interesting how so many of these, you know, people that are telling us you have to support Trump and be a Trump loyalist, no matter what he does, they were not Trump loyalists.
Like all of these people, all the Babylon B people and the Daily Wire people, Ben Shapiro, all of these people supported DeSantis.
Like, you know, I haven't been in politics for that long.
I'm only 21, but I still remember, like I can remember about a year ago.
I can remember the primaries, right?
And I can remember who these people were supporting just this election, not even talking about, you know, 2015 when Trump was running in the first primary and all of these people absolutely hated him.
Everyone at Fox News hated Trump.
Like, I remember that and I was like 13.
I remember watching Fox News and just assuming from the TV that everyone in the country, both left and right, hated Trump because that's exactly what it was.
So it's all the people that hated Trump for what he stood for are now telling us that we have to support everything he does when he's not doing what he stood for.
And that kind of goes to show like what he's doing now is totally wrong.
And Trump himself is being a never Trumper in the way that he's not, he's not being America first, right?
No, I was just going to, well, what we're witnessing, what you just described is a bait and switch, basically, because in 2016, he was a completely different candidate.
He was a completely different person.
And more so than being a completely different person is he's, he's got, you know, a new boss, and that's Netanyahu.
He's got other people to answer to that he didn't have in 2016.
And he did to some degree.
Like he had some people that he was answering to, let's be honest.
He's never, no one's really totally uncontrolled in American politics.
But now it's worse than ever.
And, you know, previously, he never would have worked with somebody like Susie Wiles.
I do have, I guess, what you would call good news because we were talking about this.
It just released like an hour or two ago.
If you want to pull up my screen, Mike, when it comes to Epstein, and this is actually real, the DOJ apparently fired Maureen Comey, who was the prosecutor for the Diddy and the Epstein case.
She's also James Comey's daughter.
And all of a sudden she's gone.
And so I kind of want to get what, like, what do you think about that?
Is there maybe something is this to just kind of give us a bone and hope that we go away with the Epstein stuff?
Or, because it was really odd that someone who used to be, you know, very high up in the FBI, his daughter was all of a sudden working these high-profile cases.
Well, I actually think that it is kind of like just throwing us a bone.
I think there's a lot of blame here that is kind of misplaced and that people are not, like, they kind of want to make it confusing for the American people, they meaning the Trump admin, because they want to give you a hard time when it comes to saying, okay, well, who can I blame this on?
I mean, ultimately, it's the guy we voted for.
It's Trump.
If he really wanted to, he could fix this problem.
We don't need to fire anyone.
We don't need to move around any chess pieces.
He could fix it.
And I mean, I guess if you want to be excited about that, you can be.
But ultimately, I don't think that's the solution.
No, this, I think they're either the Zionists want her gone or it's, you know, and they made the call and they were like, okay, well, maybe she might be a problem.
So I well, she was she was a high-level prosecutor on both the Diddy and the Epstein case, the daughter of James Comey.
So it's obviously, you know, maybe a little bit of a, of a DEI.
She got in because she's the daughter of Comey.
And then all of a sudden she gets fired, which was really odd because we were talking about it a few shows ago with Elijah.
And he said, isn't it interesting how someone who was so high up in this kind of corrupt government system that they're also connected to the people who are dealing with these cases?
And so it seems like.
Either they're going to bring someone in who actually does something or they're going to bring in someone who is even more pro-Zionist, even more pro-APAC, pro-Israel.
And we're going to get this all over again, but even worse.
And I know you were talking about how, oh, well, Trump is the president.
He could do it.
He just went on video like yesterday or today where he's saying, I, what's the clip?
I have it right here.
He said, when asked if he would appoint a special counsel to look into Epstein, Trump said, I have nothing to do with it.
I would have believed him had he done it and addressed a certain way.
Like, if I would have believed him, if he like laid out and was transparent about it and be like, hey, guys, listen, we've been investigating this.
Turns out this person, this person, it was a Democratic hoax all along.
But it was the way he did it.
Like, I don't believe him.
I don't know what to think.
I just know that he is not serving our interests and that there is a pedophile cabal that holds our elected officials accountable with blackmail and they make them vote on legislation or make things go away because they have blackmail on them.
And it's a part of a foreign intelligence for a foreign country that has occupied my nation.
My country is not America anymore.
Like people call it Zog.
It is Zog.
Like we live in Zog and it is, there is nothing we can do about it.
And we talk about Thomas Massey.
He's the one guy who hasn't bought and paid for and Trump goes after him.
Like and it's and it's crazy.
And I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to oust him.
And I'm not, you know, I'm not claiming anything, not like going to get the show labeled or whatever, but it is an interesting timing, you know, timeline for those events to occur.
Well, what I will say, and I kind of mentioned this already, is that it is interesting that the left Democrats are acting like they suddenly care about the Epstein files.
And obviously they're using it for political purposes.
They want to make Trump look bad.
But I did want to go ahead and play this clip of Pramila Jayapal talking about this very idea.
Well, she was answering to a host on CNN because she was asked why she didn't bring up the Epstein files issue earlier under Biden, which is like a fair question.
Well, I would have been happy to raise it then as well.
Frankly, we were focused on so many different pieces, but I have been one of the Democrats that has been consistent on what I call out Republican presidents for and Democratic presidents for, whether it is FISA, you know, reforms that we need, whatever it has been, I've been pretty consistent.
War powers.
I've criticized Joe Biden just as I'm criticizing Donald Trump.
I think transparency is not something that should happen only when you have a Republican president.
It is something that we need for both Democratic and Republican presidents.
Real quick, address the Trump and his base and they care about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, okay, a little quick story.
Do I have like 30 seconds to share your time?
Of course.
So I ran for Senate in 2020.
So during that time, it was really big around the QAnon movement.
It was huge then.
Like it was just really big.
And I like wore a Q shirt like when I'm 2018 or whatever.
And I was getting grilled about it, grilled about it, grilled about it.
And it was interesting because President Trump also was getting grilled about QAnon too.
And the RNC and Trump were trying to figure out how to address this base that was so massive, that loved President Trump, but they believe in the pedophile cabal, like the Epstein rings and all this stuff.
And they didn't know how to address it.
And it was interesting because I was asked about it during a debate.
And I had said, I was like, you know, I don't know exactly everything they believe, but I know that they are extremely against pedophilia.
Like the QAnon base, they are very against pedophilia.
Well, they took that clip from that debate.
It like went on the internet and I had solicited the RNC for their endorsement.
So I like reached out to them.
I was trying to get them to endorse me.
Of course, they didn't.
But during it, they said, you know, we thank you for meeting with us or whatever.
But they said, we really liked your response about QAnon and how they just are against pedophilia.
Trump started actually using that messaging later in his interviews, which tells me that, yes, they love him and they care about him so much, but he has no clue who his base is.
Like it's very weird that they really didn't know how to address the QAnon issue.
They didn't want to disavow him because they're so massive, but they didn't know enough about him to come up with the messaging about like these guys are really against pedophilia.
Like it's just very weird how out of touch he is since he's a completely different.
And I don't mean that like, he's obviously not dumb.
Like he's a billionaire.
I don't mean dumb in that way, but dumb as in social.
He's a little bit out of touch with like what, you know, what your average, he would be out of touch.
He's like I said, a billionaire.
So maybe he's just kind of out of touch with the way we think and thinks, you know what, they don't really know what's going on with the Epstein files.
I know something they don't.
These people, whatever.
And he doesn't realize like how important it is to people because he's not really on the ground talking to them as much as he's in the White House.
He's the files and the people in his ear and he doesn't really realize what your average person thinks.
The only thing is like, I'm really tired of making excuses for him about his advisors and the people around him.
It's like, at what point do you just replace them with people who will inform you?
Because that's totally acceptable to like not really be able to have time to keep on top of everything your base is interested in.
That's why you have advisors that keep in touch with that.
But he keeps surrounding himself with people who have ulterior motives, who don't have his best interests in mind, who don't have America's best interests in mind.
And that's the real problem.
It's not whether he's invested in, you know, knowing what's going on constantly.
That's not really his job because he can't do that with everything else he has to do.
He just has bad advisors and that gets blamed on him because he should at least be aware that he keeps making the mistake of surrounding himself by these snakes.
