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How The Red Pill FAILED Men & How GOD is the REAL Answer! | Almost Serious | Guest Timothy J. Gordon
On this week’s episode of the Almost Serious Podcast, Special Guest Timothy J. Gordon discusses why the red pill movement, while correct about women in some aspects, often fails to guide young men toward God and marriage.
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Timothy J. Gordon is a Catholic philosopher, author, and podcast host of Rules for Retrogrades.
He also studied philosophy at pontifical universities in Europe, taught at Southern California community colleges, and also earned a degree in literature, history, philosophy, and law.
It's extremely extensive.
But more importantly, he resides in Southern Mississippi with his wife, Stephanie, and their seven children.
He has seven kids.
We're talking to a Catholic who isn't just LARPing today.
This is somebody who lives what he preaches.
He also writes and teaches at his retrograde academy.
He has authored a book including Catholic Republic in 2019, Rules for Retrogrades in 2020, the case for patriarchy of 2021.
Don't go to college a year later and then leave and cleave.
Today, we are talking about the patriarchy, about the order of a family, a man over a woman, and how leaving this has really broken apart society, a lot of his personal life.
And of course, we're not going to forget to talk about Catholicism, knowing that if you want to watch yesterday's episode, we had a special on Catholicism.
Yeah, so look, okay, let's just talk about this for a second.
One thing that impresses me about you, and we'll get into this more later on the show, is that you have seven children and they're, none of them are black.
No, but I said it as a joke because, you know, a lot of people have big families today.
You see that half of them were IVF or that they rented wombs or they borrowed them from Molly or something like that.
But you actually have a big family and you're happily married.
And that's pretty rare today.
I mean, I was talking to you earlier.
I mean, you've got to be in the top maybe, what, 1% of families now today, like modern families in terms of size and the fact that it's your first wife and all the kids are from one woman.
So let's talk about, let's talk about families here.
One of my main criticisms, by the way, of myself included, is I'm kind of a hypocrite, right?
I wouldn't say I'm a hypocrite because I'm not claiming that I'm something that I'm not, but I definitely hold beliefs and values that I believe to be true, but I don't live them out.
And I think that's kind of the problem of a lot of young men today, particularly the fact that they see what life was and they see these images of the 1950s, the 1940s.
They see a world where there was order.
There wasn't so much chaos.
And there was, you know, the man was over woman, the woman was over children, and they had children.
But today, men are poor, they're single, and they have no progeny.
Even if better yet, they oftentimes are just gay.
It is Pride Month.
It's ending, though.
And so let's talk about families.
So first of all, tell me a little bit about your family.
You obviously didn't always have kids.
You didn't always have a wife.
In practicality, how does a person end up with seven kids?
That's the key is when you are a young guy and you fall in love with one girl.
First of all, men should learn to date their crushes.
That's important, to date a lot.
And that doesn't mean you have to do it in a sleazy way, but to date your crushes and to select the very best person for yourself, which sounds like token advice, but it's really, really, really important.
So you don't wind up with guys who are just LARPing as Catholics or LARPing as procreative.
So you date your Christ, you pick the very best one because, God willing, life is long.
And it's really, really, really important.
It's the most important decision you'll ever make to be in love with your wife and to be wild about her for your whole life long.
And there's an art to that.
And, you know, I try to do my part to tell young men how to ascertain the skills necessary to living out that art.
But the other important thing is something you mentioned.
There's a nostalgia for the way we never were.
And that's the LARPing element of all this.
Guys who don't understand how family life worked, because they're raised by a contraceptive culture in the 70s and 80s by boomers, ironically named boomers, who all contracepted, almost all contracepted.
And they were raised with 0.7 siblings, 1.7 kids per household growing up in the 80s and 90s.
And so they don't know quite what to do.
They just know what the solution, they don't know what the solution is.
They know what the problem is.
And this is a big part of the red pill.
You have friends in the red pill.
I have friends in the red pill.
Lots and lots of good critiques.
I agree almost 100% with these critiques, but they end up being LARPy critiques because they don't present solutions.
Like anybody can say at the end of the day, I have a headache.
The most important thing is to say, here's how to get rid of my headache.
This is where, as we talk about the problem with the red pill movement, I think that you're a really good case study because, you know, you always get these feminists or like neoliberals or these James Lindsays who have like the problem with the red pill movement.
You know, it's subversive.
You know, what they're trying to do is not only they're not trying to present a solution, they're trying to distract you away from noticing the problem, right?
They're trying to make you feel guilty as a young man for noticing women are not in their place, for noticing that family life is not what it was meant to be today and that the equality of the sexes has destroyed a lot.
But as somebody who actually has a family, I wanted to talk to you because a lot of these guys that present, that present the problems, they're 100% correct.
And I want to say because they're my friends, I'm not bashing them because there is a room for men to point out the problems.
Somebody's got to say, look, it's not normal for women to behave like this.
It's not, you know, as a guy, you know, it's not normal for you to have to compete with women or to compete with your wife.
No wonder why you don't want to get married.
No wonder why with no fault divorce, you never want to, you know, risk your finances, et cetera.
That's fine.
But a lot of times the solutions have been a friend of mine, Andrew Tate, you know, talks about having children with as many women as possible.
And well, that's like a total wet dream for a guy, you know, spread your seed to as many people as possible.
You know, for those that believe in a nuclear family or want a traditional society, that's not what appeals to me.
And so as you're talking about this, you know, you mentioned that they don't present the solution.
And the solution is simple.
It's like, okay, I could be like, well, then just get married and have lots of kids.
But getting there, arriving at the solution is what I think is what people are confused about.
And I got to ask you point blank, if you redid it again today, and I don't want to hear your sapio, I would do it all over again.
Could you do it all over again?
If you were a man and you were 19 years old today or 20 years old, whenever you were heading towards marriage, do you believe you could attain the same amount of wealth and would have the same amount of children and the same life as you did when you started, you know, a couple decades ago?
I'm being genuine.
Do you really think your life is attainable for young men?
The only thing I would have done differently is because I was blessed to know my wife when we were both young.
We were in the same friend group.
We weren't both dating different people at the time, but I would have made the move a little bit earlier, gotten married a little bit earlier and started having kids a little earlier.
So I could have eight or nine kids instead of seven.
I mean, even if I'd have gotten married when I was 22, I could have another kid or two.
And people think this is funny.
This is not a LARPy Catholic thing to say.
Every single kid you have, my youngest is three, you get greedy for.
You want another because they're all different.
I got seven.
They're all different.
It's the joy of life.
The joie de viv is in having kids and rearing them and getting to know them individually.
It's the best thing and it's the only good kind of greed.
So it's absolutely attainable to get married and to, it also conditions wives really, really well.
I'm not saying this with my tongue planted in my cheek.
For you to get married young, it's natural to be broke while you're young and married.
It's not natural to be broke in your 30s or 40s, but it's very natural to get married when you're scrimping, you know, you're scraping a bit of a living and taking extra jobs.
I would teach at community colleges on nights and my wife would go to sit into my community college classes.
She's just, you know, the best, best cheerleader, teach high school by day, go teach Compton Community College.
Even if I had to drive two hours at night, I'd be falling asleep in between teaching high school class and driving two hours to Compton with bullets whizzing by her head.
You know, it's a great life for two young people who are wild about each other.
And that's, that's what we try to tell men.
You do have to be worthy of the life, but you can, you can make adjustments as you go.
And this, my friend Andrew Wilson says this, this hilarious thing.
He says, it's not what about the men, though, you know, which is what a gynecentric society like ours conditions young men and young women to all do when they're assigning, allocating blame for any problem that comes up.
It all has to be male-generated problems.
That's not what I'm doing.
But men are the leaders.
And if it's, this isn't just a LARP.
For men to be leaders, we do have to understand that heavy is the head that wears the crown.
And I would say, as a preliminary word, same thing you said.
I always try to disarm folks by saying patriarchy, which is the movement I'm pushing.
My book is called The Case for Patriarchy, is the equivalent of a Christian red pill.
Procreation, because the red pill literally shares with, even though I have a lot of friends in this movement as well, and they're 100% right about diagnosing many of the problems.
Their solutions are actually feminist for men.
They are population control agenda items like procreation, battle of the sexes.
They presuppose men and women don't naturally get along.
They presuppose that there's some sort of zero-sum game where if a woman's winning, a man has to be losing.
They presuppose against something called complementarianism, which means a man and a woman go together perfectly, which they do.
If you get your mind out of the gynecentric matrix, and they're basically conditioning everyone like feminism did to be contraceptive and to not have kids and families.
So you're kind of pointing out where they're wrong.
So obviously, if people are not familiar with the red pill movement, you know, I went through a moment where I got involved in the red pill because what happened was, and this is where a lot of people are today, and why I think the red pill movement is dying a little bit.
People are becoming Catholic and Orthodox at an alarming rate for the atheists, right?
I mean, people are reverting back to their faith or to begin with.
And I think what happens is, is like, you know, I made a very, very grave mistake.
And I'm willing to admit it, is I thought women and men could be friends.
Now, I'm not saying that a couple couldn't be friends.
You know, me and my wife couldn't be friends with another couple and consider someone's wife my friend, but it's still in the context of it's my friend's wife, you know what I mean?
And we as couples are friends, but I am not my friend's wife's friend.
You know, we are not texting, we are not talking.
And I hired women.
I had them working in my workplace.
These are atheists, right?
These are career feminists.
And I bought the lie because I always tell people I'm not liberal intentionally.
I was just born into liberalism and I've tried to deal with it like we all have.
It's like, you know, it's easier to try to deal with it than to try to fight it because when you fight it, the whole weight comes down on you as a man.
And when I had these women behave like women as they do by biology, you know, I became angry at myself and at the female species in general.
So I went through this like woman-hating phase.
And I think every guy goes through that at a certain point when they're waking up, is they're going, look, I hate these people.
And I'm willing to admit that.
You know, I really did.
And, you know, unironically, people could call it being wife cocked or whatever.
My wife told me, you know, hey, you know, a lot of great women, myself included.
Like, you're writing all women off.
What you're mad is at a subset of women.
You know, you're mad at a culture.
You're mad at a development of where women have, what have they become, but that's not who God made them.
You know, that's not where they were.
And I started to realize that, you know, I kind of became a male version of a feminist.
And that's kind of what I think I want to ask you about that.
Do you think that the red pill movement has become a mirror of what they hate?
Like, do you think that in trying to rightfully point out the problem with women?
It seems like a lot of these men have just given up marriage.
They preach promiscuity and they're really just preaching what men want to have sex with as many girls as you can and do whatever you want, which is what women are preaching, right?
They're preaching to women what they think they want, but not what God desired them to need.
What do you think is the main problem with the red pill movement beyond what you said?
Like, where do they get it wrong as opposed to your Christian red pill?
I don't believe in really any form of equality, specifically not men and women equality.
That's just proto-transgenderism, right?
We're not to believe that we're equal, if a man and a woman are the same, then you're really just setting the course for transgenderism.
So I will say, in the spirit of keeping with that, women are at a place in history about 100, 150 years after feminism, which began a lot earlier than a lot of people assume.
It began 1848 that they're in a bad place.
And many, many, many errant, petulant, you know, deeply, deeply unladylike misbehaviors have followed and have become part of what we expect to be normal.
And it's very not normal.
And men are angry about this.
And it's not that men haven't been emasculated and demasculated too.
And really, everyone infantilized men and women.
That's true.
That's equal.
But I just want to state at the outset: men do have a case against sort of the way that women are groomed and even re-groomed in college after 12th grade.
So there's that.
But having said that, I do agree with you that if you start listening to a red pill influencer who might have a great macroscopic solution for you or might have a great macroscopic complaint against the way that most college co-eds act,
it's not going to be very helpful when you find the special girl, the one in a million, one in a thousand, one in 10,000 who really doesn't follow suit, who doesn't fall into line, that is special and hasn't yet been corrupted by the world.
And that's what's happening to a lot of these guys.
They end up using the playbook that they learned from pick your red pill influencer on a girl that doesn't need a playbook.
All that a young man and a young woman need, as I said in the opening salvo, is for nature to take its course in a moral, natural, beautiful way.
You know, be nice to each other.
And a man being nice to a woman looks different from the way that a woman being nice to a man looks.
A woman is going to be the one preparing the food and bringing him a drink or whatever, the one who's the natural cheerleader.
The man is the main character.
Women are created as the helpmeat of their men and they love to do it.
It's great to be a cheerleader.
Girls in the 80s even still like to be cheerleaders.
Now they're trying to be the star athletes.
So the point is when you meet someone that's perfect for you, you don't have to follow any playbook other than the way God made you.
The creator made men and women to get along.
And unless you're a very, very, very select anointed few, you know, I'm a Roman Catholic, unless you're ordained, you feel a vocation to go become a Roman Catholic priest, you know, which requires lifelong celibacy.
It's quite, quite a challenge, then your vocation, your path to heaven will lie in one woman.
And for that one woman, you will be her one man.
You don't need a playbook.
You don't need to game your wife.
You don't need to keep your wife in dread, you know, which is one of the things that Rolo Tomasi teaches men.
Even after you get married, keep your wife in dread to keep her behaving well.
So surround yourself festooned with hookers or chicks who look like they're hookers.
This is terrible.
This is a terrible way to treat the person who's your biggest fan, your biggest cheerleader.
If she's truly your cheerleader, there are behaviors to avoid, which might spoil natural complementarity, natural sexual chemistry within marriage.
It's genuinely not good to see for a man to, you should let down the facade because you're going to live with this person for the next hopefully 75 years, but it isn't good for you to drop all mystique.
This is not to say keep your wife in dread, but scary stuff happens from time to time.
It's happened to me in my life.
You don't want your wife or your kids to see you crying much more often than once every two years, five years.
I don't know what the magic number is, but women do need to feel protected and they need to feel like there's a game plan, even if you're making adjustments to it.
Yeah, but they, yeah, but it's like, yeah, you know, it's one thing to tell them, hey, please watch your spending versus have them freaked out about money.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's like, sure.
They don't even need, I don't think my wife doesn't even have access to my bank accounts.
Like, I think there are bank accounts together, but I mean, it's like, I do think there's a level of, you know, people are different, but like she just needs to know that there's always money to buy groceries and stuff.
And if she needs to cut back on spending because we're making less or we're investing into the company or something like that, then, you know, she needs to know that.
But I do know what you mean about having that.
Like, you don't want to become a male feminist.
You don't want to treat her like you're equals.
You want her to know that you're leading her.
And I think that that's where the red pill movement returns that back to men, though.
And I feel like that's what that's what they gave me.
However, they promote cheating.
They promote promiscuity.
They promote basically like, like you said, keeping them in dread, not just surrounding yourself with hookers, but entering into hookers.
You know, like it's like they're promoting that it's like, this is your, you know, you can kind of stay a single guy and be married at the same time if you want to, which is why I think most of them don't end up getting married.
Because it's like, well, then why would I get married if I'm going to live like I'm single?
Why not just live like I'm single and be actually single?
Why not?
Why make it a facade of itself?
You know, and so it is, it is an interesting thing.
I think there's, there's a difference.
Is the difference in this, though, is it really just Christianity?
Because I think there's also a cultural side of it as well, where it's like, you know, I just don't find that fulfilling.
I've lived promiscuous at times in my life and I just don't find sleeping around with whoever, whenever as being a very fulfilling way of living.
It's very fun in the moment.
I mean, having an orgasm in of itself feels good.
And, you know, beholding a strange woman naked is a great experience.
I mean, trying to be like, you know, appropriate here for families, you know, or whatever.
But, you know, you're a guy and new things excite you.
But obviously, these guys don't seem happy, man.
I'm just going to be completely honest.
These red pill guys don't seem like they're living fulfilled lives, but they do seem like they're getting something right that a lot of men aren't.
And I think what a lot of us believe is like, I'd much rather live a life where I'm maybe not living my most fulfilled life, but at least I'm getting, you know, getting asked for a lack of better words than to be one of these other guys who sits around and it's like, you know, you just see them.
You see a lot of these, these guys, like they're just very weak.
It's always, let me ask my wife, let me ask my wife, let me do this.
And that's humiliating.
And I think I'd rather kill myself to be completely honest and to live like that.
So you have on the one extreme 99% of the guys out in the suburbs who live these pathetic lives.
They're squeaking out a life of quiet desperation, you know, asking their wives' permission where things are upside down and they are not the leader of their household.
Their wives might say that they're equals, even that's perverse, but the wife is leading in, I'd say, 98, 99% of the cases out in the burbs.
That's horrible.
That's really bad.
That's feminism.
But what we're decrying, what you and I sound like together, are decrying about the red pill is you can't say otherwise than that it's a kind of astroturfed masculinity.
And here's where I might be out on a limb.
You might not agree, but true masculinity lies in procreativity.
I think you agree to some extent.
But when we're talking about trans or any of the other forerunners to the trans movement, you know, in the 90s, whatever, rainbow stuff.
If we view sex as procreat as recreative and not in the first place procreative, then we're always going to wind up with a view of sex where the Christian is hard pressed to distinguish, well, why this, but not that?
And it's important to talk about, if we're talking about the stomach, if you're talking to a gastroenterologist, right?
You get a bunch of gym bros to be on board and say this is all correct.
The purpose of our GI system, it's telos, it's end, a little bit of Aristotelian philosophy, is to metabolize food, to do so efficiently, to metabolize the right kinds of calories in relatively proportionate quantities.
And then pleasure comes when you eat a big meal.
I've just been walking around Disneyland with my family for several days.
So it's pleasurable as a side product, as a secondary end to the right proportion of the primary end of your GI system, taking the right calories in roughly the right proportions.
That's the purpose of it.
And gym bros are like, yeah, that's right.
Don't just eat potato chips.
You got to eat chip.
We're both back there eating chicken, right, in your green room.
You got to eat protein.
That's really big right now because it's one of the main purposes of the human gastro system.
And pleasure is a side.
It's a side secondary product.
It doesn't replace the primary purpose of eating.
When we look at the reproductive system, the human reproductive system, none of the gym bros are going to be cheering me on.
Probably most people in your audience might be scratching their heads.
But the way we got here to trans and all the rest of it, all that stuff, is by viewing heterosexual sex recreatively rather than procreatively.
So the point is, before 1930, the Anglican Lambeth Conference, not a single Christian in the world licitly contracepted.
And that's, you know, there's a huge, you know, population control agenda behind that.
Every Christian, whether you're Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic, was like, yeah, we can't do this.
The purpose of sex is procreation.
It's got this secondary end that's very, very nice.
It's lovely, in fact.
It's recreative.
It feels nice.
But it's most important that the secondary end never subverts the primary end, which means that you're not contracepting.
So that's always the secondary end with the primary end.
And it turns out that once you let the secondary end subsume the primary end, even heterosexually, then all of a sudden a Christian who procreates can't really say, well, why is sod?
I'm not talking about your lawn.
Why is that wrong?
It's like, I don't know.
If it's recreative, not procreative in its nature, and we're already subverting the real nature of sex.
And we're perverting what the real calling of guys like you and I, who have who were lay people, who are just supposed to have big families, we're subverting that.
Then why is it more?
Now, obviously, it's more unnatural to do certain things.
But the point is, we're called to certain acts that have certain ends.
Do you think the backdoor method would be considered because it's only recreative and there's no procreative tendency that that would be morally wrong?
Or is that just a strictly true?
Speaking as an Aristotelian, even if I were, you know, even an oral component, like, do you think that's like, you know, like foreplay type of things in marriage?
You'd be shocked how specific the Thomistic moral manualists of the early 20th century get.
They're trained in the moral philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas, and it's, it's shockingly, it's scandalizingly specific.
No, it turns out, as to the latter question, if it counts as foreplay with a key chronological component, meaning if it happens before the definitive moment in sexual life.
So if it's to build up in a marriage to build excitement connection so that you do have a completion that involves insemination or whatever, then it'd be fine.
But the point is, is that if you're always entering through the backyard, that's the end.
It's, you know, unitive meaning genital to genital and procreative meaning, you know, when the act is completed, since we're keeping it as PG as you can.
Okay, so like, so this is what kind of is interesting with the red pill movement is that, like, you know, what I noticed is that, like, I've kind of talked a lot about some of like what I thought is funny about things are a LARP today, right?
Because people are LARPing.
People are on the internet and their internet lives very often do not reflect their own personal lives.
And it's really hard to speak the truth online because in reality, people are mostly playing towards engagement, right?
So this is about getting people to engage with your ideas, not really the solidification of whether your ideas are inherently true.
Because sometimes if something's true, it often can be boring.
It can be difficult or it can be unpopular.
And a lot of times it seems like while pointing out the problems, the solutions that are popular are not ones that are helpful.
And it leads to a lot of LARPing.
A lot of this stuff that's, you know, they tie in racial identitarianism with incel activity and all this glorification of this sexless lifestyle.
This doesn't even point towards Paul.
You know, talked about it's better that you shouldn't even get married if you can serve in the kingdom of God, like serve him fully.
How do you reconcile that with, you know, on one hand, yeah, you have the promiscuity of the red pill.
Then you have a lot of these, you know, Christians and Catholics right now.
They really, really LARP on this, you know, necessity of being an incel, you know, to kind of like keep yourself undefiled.
They use biblical reasoning to support it.
I just feel like if your issue is population to collapse, you know, we're getting out-competed, out-immigrated.
Like, how can you say that you're a Catholic or you're an Orthodox or like, how can you, how can you lead a serious movement when you're not promoting procreation at the core of what you're doing?
I have a hard time reconciling that.
A lot of my friends do too.
What do you think about that movement?
It's particularly with young people in the Gen Z. They're very, very incel-like.
And again, we're not subverting it.
I mean, I'd rather have you be incel than be promiscuous.
It's good if you're, if you're, if you're holding yourself for your, for your, for your spouse.
But these guys, man, and this is my joke, is that they're like, well, it's like, you know, the reason why it's hard for me is because women are whores and this and that.
And you're like, dude, you're fat.
Like, even if the white race was in power and everything, you're not going to be some supreme person.
You're not a really like high-end, you know, catch here.
If you're really better than everyone in Supreme, then why aren't you making yourself the best version of yourself and be Supreme, whether or not you're white or not, or whether or this, if you're just a man, why would you not try to be your apex version as a predator and not in a me too predator way, but just as like an actual like top of the ladder?
I think a lot of young people are being duped into like, because they post Rhodesia edits on TikTok that they're based in red pill.
But in reality, it's like they're doing nothing for their health, doing nothing for their spiritual life, and they're doing nothing to solve the problem of population collapse.
What do you do with this group of people or how do you reconcile it?
Because it's a very popular thing today to be an incel.
I once debated Aaron Clary and Paul Elam, I think on Pearl Davis's channel.
These are MGTOW guys, men going their own way.
And they're very good guys.
They seem like very nice guys.
And I think Paul is Christian.
I'm not sure if Aaron is, but I liked them both.
But men going their own way sounds or at least inclines to sound as if it requires lifelong celibacy, but it didn't.
I think both of them had girlfriends, which I found confusing.
But I ended up making all the points you just made.
And I don't want to just repeat them.
I'll try to maybe further or clarify some of the things you said.
Lifelong celibacy, if it's taken as like a, you know, a male iteration of a vestal virgin or something.
Yeah, that's much better than running around and, you know, scumming it up and being a male whore.
That's a much better way, path to heaven.
It's a path to heaven, but if you're Christian, but the best, most reasonable, most plausible, easiest, and most illuminative path for most men to heaven, for most Christian men to heaven, is as St. Paul says in two of the epistles, to get married and to have sex frequently with your wife, you know, procreative sex, non-contraceptive sex,
and to have lots of kids who will bring joy to your life.
And really, the purpose of the vocation of marriage is to sort of populate the pews while your preacher or your priest preaches.
And they'll bring so much joy to your life and they'll take care of you when you're older.
I can't speak.
So I feel like when I hear, there's another critique of the red pill.
When I hear the red pill guys talking, it's very Judeo-Islamic, and most of them either have a background in Judaism or Islam.
For Christians, which is who I speak to, young Christian white men, this is most of my audience, really most of that stuff isn't allowed.
It's not allowed to, you know, to goon yourself or to look at porn or really even to look at women with lust in your heart.
I mean, this is a whole purpose of Christianity's perfection of Judaism.
By perfection, I mean completion.
And this came up when Dennis Prager was talking to Catholic Matt Frad.
Dennis Prager was even saying AI-generated, victimless prawn.
So, okay, so this is a bit of a confusion on my end then.
You keep saying like a pathway to heaven.
You know, obviously, being raised Protestant, evangelical, actually, you know, there's obviously the division between the Arminianists and the Calvinists, right?
You have that, you know, are people selected and chosen with the Calvinists, very, you know, basic summation.
And, you know, are you sealed, right?
And can you lose your salvation?
No, versus Arminianists, which was like, you know, your salvation is an ongoing repentance and that though you're covered by the blood, you agree with the blood throughout your life by remaining.
And they have this phrase called like backslidden, right?
And well, I don't even like to use that phrase.
And I wouldn't even call myself, like, I don't even like to use the phrase backslidden because I haven't turned my back on God.
I haven't stopped believing in the power of the cross and the resurrection.
But I do find myself to be not living my life according to a stringent standard of what the gospel requires of a man and also not following everything that God lays out in scripture to the best of my ability.
I know I'll never follow it fully.
I'll never be God, but I know I'm at least willing to admit that I could be doing a better job.
And it's in my power and capability with God to do so.
I just for some reason, I don't.
And whether it's laziness or excuses, I haven't yet come to a conclusion.
You know, there's a lot of reasons I have in my head.
I just don't know if they are really going to work on the day of judgment.
I bring up the idea of like a lot of people, like with the red pill, they've moved away from Christianity because whatever Christianity we've been given seems also to be very wrong on this issue.
I don't say the Bible's wrong, but what do you see as the difference of like where modern Christianity fails men in setting them up as leaders and in the dynamics, but versus what God really defines?
What does he really want versus knowing that I'm evangelical and you talk about the ecumenical council and what happened with the liberalization of Catholicism?
You see what I see.
But what is the solution there?
What is God really saying versus what we're given?
I would start out by saying our Lord tells us, be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
So we never want to give ourselves, given our fallen human nature, we never want to give ourselves excuses to aim for anything less than the A plus.
Because if you aim for the A plus, you'll wind up with an A. If you aim for A, you wind up with the A minus.
And because our Lord understood our nature so well, you know, humbled himself to assume our form as a human, he understood perfectly that you're always going to get the A minus if you aim for the A.
So he says, aim to be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
And I know, you know, there's a distinction among Christians between a Catholic and many evangelicals on what's required to get into heaven, satiriology and all that.
I wasn't even trying to go there.
But the point is we are instructed, faith without works is dead.
Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
And so we want to do our best to live out what we know to be true.
And the truth is a person.
It's Christ.
The late, great Archbishop Fulton Sheen used to say, if you don't practice as you believe, you will come to believe as you practice.
And it makes the same point I'm making, that really, you know, Jesus makes in the gospels, which proves that you have to be living it every day.
You have to use it or you will lose it.
When we're talking about virtue, it's all about the habituation of virtue.
Virtue is not an act, but a habit.
And the greatest critique of Christianity in our era is simply that it hasn't acted as it's believed.
And so it's begun to believe as it's acted, like Fulton Sheen said.
Well, I'm talking about the way that perfect doctrine from our Lord, I mean, compare Christianity to all the other religions.
I know we'll talk about this more specifically later, but since we're on the topic, there's only one where, you know, the sunlight comes down and reaches the plants.
I mean, that's literally Christianity.
The sun himself comes down and assumes our form.
So the doctrine is perfect.
There's no interpretation of the gospel, the way, you know, competing forms of Hinduism struggle to interpret the doctrines of Hinduism.
Christianity was given directly to us by God himself.
And so for it to be corrupted, the way that all three major forms of Christianity have been, at least praxeologically corrupted nowadays, you know, the problem is not with the teaching of the truth himself.
You know, God made man.
That's not the problem.
It's not the teaching.
It's the reception.
It's the way that we, the receivers of the message, are living it out or failing to.
Beta said, we're failing to live it out.
So that's the only way Christianity can fail.
Famously, Gandhi gave this really lame, pathetic excuse that I, you know, I hope he's able to circumvent on his judgment day.
He said, the reason I'm not a Christian is because I've never met one.
I've never met a perfect Christian.
The second I meet a perfect Christian, I'll become one.
And that's a very pathetic excuse for not following the truth.
He was saying, I'm recognizing, I'm apprehending that this is really the true way of being, but I don't want to do it.
I'll do it when I meet someone who's a perfect Christian.
The reason that Catholicism and all forms of Christianity tend toward liberalism over time, you know, we have to guard against that.
The reason the Constitution always tends toward, the U.S. Constitution tends toward a liberal construction is because we humans are always messing it up and we're failing to do that which we know is true.
So that's a different reason for failure that Christianity has than the false faiths.
And I guess the heart of my critique of the red pill is, particularly when it comes to sexual morality, which the red pill is in its wheelhouse talking about, it's Jewish and Islamic sexual morality.
So the problem is with the doctrine there.
If you're getting the doctrine, if you're getting the dope straight from guys who are taking it out of the Quran and the Talmud, and there's a lot of overlap between Islamic teaching and the Talmud more than they would have you know, then it's going to be wrong stuff anyway.
If you get it directly out of the Bible and the correct interpretation of the Bible, then all you have to do is live out what's true.
And it turns out the law written on the heart that St. Paul talks about is really most of what we're taught about sexual morality.
It's already, we already know right from wrong.
It's what we call the natural law out of the Aristotelian tradition.
So if we do, if we have the courage to do what we know is right, then we can't go wrong because we're drawing from the correct well.
I think, so, so kind of, obviously you're a philosopher.
I know that, you know, we want to talk a little about your family and stuff here too, but I think the point of this is, is that, you know, you get to my age and you start to realize like the consequences of your lifestyle become evident, right?
And it's kind of like seeing a grumpy old man when you're a child.
You know, why are old people so grumpy?
And then you go through 10 more years of life and you go, okay, that starts to make sense because a lot of things can go wrong.
And sometimes, you know, like you see, particularly talking about women, you know, they're very staunch feminists and then they realize at 35, their clock is ticking.
And then if they don't have children, they have to either double down or then bitter or angry or whatever it is.
And it's actually a real tragedy, right?
That for a woman to not have children.
And typically we had mourned that in the past of a woman was barren.
And so I've always had adoption or things too.
You know, women's desire to nurture and take care of and raise a child goes beyond the biological concept of childbirthing.
It's also a lifestyle, you know, and that's so beautiful that women can adopt, you know, and love another child that's not their own and raise them.
And I think it's amazing.
I don't know why they always have to be from like India or something.
Why you can't adopt our own children here is always beyond me.
However, I think that what we're seeing with men is that we are at a crossroads.
And I don't want to be a feminist and say, oh, it's the men's problem, but like I being 32 years old, it's like, you know, I've gone back and forth on my faith and I've lived somewhat of a carnal life and I made a lot of carnal decisions.
And, you know, I've gotten wrapped up in money before in materialism, gotten wrapped up in promiscuity, gotten wrapped up in, you know, narcotics and different things that, you know, obviously have an enjoyment, but that old phrase about how sin takes you further than when you wanted to go, keeps you longer than you wanted to stay and costs you more than you wanted to spend is so true to where I feel in some ways spiritually bankrupt at my age.
And not because I'm living some overtly evil lifestyle or I'm, you know, cheating people or something, but I'm not sowing to my spirit, right?
I'm not, I'm not prioritizing God.
And I'm a driven man.
And sometimes I wake up and I'm like, why am I doing all this?
You know, and I have beautiful kids and a lovely wife and, you know, have a great job and, you know, in many ways have what so many people even lack today.
And I don't mean it to pat myself on the back, but something just feels missing, man.
It feels like, I feel like a little bit empty inside, you know, to not be so transparent, but realistically, something still feels off.
And I know that it's a God-sized hole.
I know that that's the problem.
I just don't understand spiritual discipline or how to enact it.
And I think that's what that's what I think the real red pill is, in my opinion.
It's like giving God the authority in your life.
And I'm saying this as a hypocrite who's not currently doing that.
You know, for men, how do, how do you, how as a man do you go from recognizing, like you said, the problem, right?
I'm in the red pill.
It's like, okay, now you knew women are in the wrong place.
I know that, you know, men should be over women and women over kids, blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
But actually getting there, you know, it takes daily work in your marriage and everything.
Women shit test you.
You got to like constantly keep, you know, keep this dynamic.
You don't get married and it just works out.
You know, you got to keep a consistent area.
But I think in the 30s, a lot of men are looking for that spiritual change.
I mean, look, there's a natural component to everything good in life, everything worth attaining.
There's a natural component where we have to use our natural virtues, the virtues that even the best pagans like Aristotle knew 300 years before Christ.
And there's a supernatural component.
You know, faith, hope, and love are the supernatural virtues that are infused.
These are given as a grace.
They're supernatural.
And you tend to only get them after you've received the natural components by working hard to be courageous, be magnanimous, be magnificent is another different one.
Be amicable.
And we struggle for most of our lives just to attain the natural virtues.
So, when you're asking about faith on the one hand, and you're asking about the life that most men have been called to lead, a moral life with one woman and kids, it's not so much that there's a conceptual dichotomy because this is how most people walk the path to heaven.
Like I keep talking about you're walking your natural life with one woman that you love and your kids, and you're simultaneously, you know, working towards paradise.
But we have to distinguish in the conversation: okay, here's how you tend to the natural parts of marriage.
Even when I said earlier, life is hard, but your wife will be your best friend.
It's not a friendship of equals.
In the politics, Aristotle talks about best friendships of unequals.
A king and his subject, a father and a son, a husband and his wife, they're kinds of best friends, but they're not equals.
And because it's a friendship that's not between equals, you don't want to make the same mistake that you would make.
You don't want to let your hair down too much.
That informed my answer earlier.
You have to be good every day.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
And at the same time, you realize you're leading your family towards something.
And since you brought up the God-shaped hole in the heart, or I won't quote Saint Augustine saying, you know, my heart, oh Lord, was restless until it rested in thee.
There's always a sacramental calling, you know, to live deeper, more richly, more profoundly in the seven sacraments.
And that's the supernatural component.
But most men who are looking to Andrew Tate say would do well simply to get begin to get back on the path.
And that's just to understand that even though most women, particularly if you go to state college, are running around acting like whores.
We can't simp and say that's not true.
We can't simp and say that Andrew Tate's not right, but they have to understand that one out of 100 or maybe one out of 500 is a woman that was created just for them.
And so rather than expending all your energy being negative and whining about the 499 whores you come across, keep your peepers out for keep your antennae out for what are you actually going to do that's positive, that's affirmative when you find that one out of 500 that was that seems like just your type that was created by the creator just for you.
And men don't know how to answer because they weren't taught by their boomer or in some cases, Gen X fathers, how to have natural virtue, how to be manly.
We were talking back in the green room about how too many conservative men are now repudiating sports because they say sports ball is for normies, whereas this is the primary means of attaining courage and some of the manly virtues in all ages is sports.
So we don't want to, as conservatives, we don't want to completely give the movement over to the nerdlingers, right?
I feel like we're being like lectured by nerds on how to be men.
And I'm not lecturing anyone, but it's like I always joke about it's like the fact that I'm asking these questions is kind of a shame on the men because how's this like queer kid from LA, you know, the one who's trying to find out what it means to be a man?
It's like, well, because I went to the men and they didn't have the answers, you know?
So, and this is even worse in the, in, in Christianity, even worse than in secular conservatism is the manlessness, the gutlessness, the balllessness of neutered Christianity and neutered conservatism.
I'd say it's, it's five times worse in Christianity.
The men, this is something that's a bit of a phenomenon at this point.
In Catholicism, you'll have these, you know, man conferences and they'll make it about cigars and whiskey.
Isn't how to be a man, but they're still avoiding saying, Okay, here's, I know what you guys need.
You need to learn to lead because your father never taught you.
And I say lead because your wife isn't the leader and because most of your wives are out of control.
That's what a Christian man conference needs to be about.
And I don't mean where you do a caricatured version of it where you can laugh and say, oh, this is so funny.
Like, oh, we need to beat our wives.
That's obviously nonsensical.
No, we need a literal movement of Christian conservative men.
And this is what I'm trying to do, trying to do it to some extent right now.
And this is what the case for patriarchy is all about.
No, men are redeemable.
Women are redeemable.
Marriage is redeemable, even though it's been in the gutter for decades now.
Here's how it's redeemable.
Here's how men need to lead.
Here's how wives need to learn to be taught.
And this is actually the one thing in the Bible.
St. Paul says women can actually teach.
Older women should teach younger women how to be docile.
This isn't some caricature thing where women should be chained to the radiator and the man should be yelling at them.
A good marriage doesn't involve with a strong leader, doesn't involve yelling or any of this disharmony.
Women need to be taught how to follow and men need to be taught how to lead.
And it's actually, if you read scripture, it's all there.
But that's what men's conferences should be about.
And that's just not what they are.
They're these pathetic, LARPy, wimpy men.
I don't know how strong we can say it, but wimpy men leading men's conferences.
It's the same in Protestantism.
I know it's the same in Orthodoxy.
It's especially bad in Roman Catholicism, where they just do the, I don't know, the picture thinking iteration of what a man's conference should be.
It's not about cigars and whiskey.
It's about saying, look, here's really the truth.
You guys are failing.
Your wives are failing.
Your wives are failing because you guys are failing.
You need to lead and your wives need to, they need to STF you, but you need to know how to how to say that the Christian way and how to lead them the right way.
And I think one of the one of the controversial things of that is that, you know, I was watching a clip today from El Salvador and people that, you know, to not rabbit trail too much, the point is, is that, you know, the president changed the country from being the most dangerous country in North America, one of the most in the world, to being the safest in the American continent, in the Americas in general.
And, you know, I went there to travel to kind of understand.
I met with the government officials to really understand what was happening.
And one thing that he said in the video today that I also heard him say down there was people say that we are violating human rights to achieve this.
But are we really violating human rights when we violate the rights of the dishonest and of the troublemakers?
But what?
At the giving freedom to the majority, to the honest, right?
Like today, it's all like, oh, well, you know, we can't, you know, if we, you know, if we, if we militarize cities and start just arresting, you know, black people and having like, you know, curfews and stuff, it would just violate their human rights.
It's like, well, you know what?
Maybe there are groups of people more responsible for crime that need to be dealt with differently.
Maybe there's, maybe equality wasn't the answer.
Maybe when in Rhodesia, when they had alarms and they had curfews for the black population, that actually kept the crime down.
And it sounds evil.
And it does sound peculiar, especially being born in the postmodern era.
But the question is, is that, well, what we're doing now doesn't work.
And so with like the crime problem, equality and pretending like just, you know, gas stations being scary at night is just how we have to live.
Like what the president said, you know, maybe we'll have to do some things that seem bad and seem like they're hurting people, but it's, but it's to bring order back.
And sometimes order comes at the cost of people who are trying to fight it.
And I feel like that with women is one of the most difficult situations possible.
That it's like, because we've made women and men equal, a lot of our problems personally and in the world come from, you know, the fact that, again, there is this idea that we're the same and it creates tension in the home.
It creates tension in the workplace.
You know, every problem I've seen in a workplace usually begins and ends with some sort of woman, you know, of course, whether it's sexual or whether it's just drama, this whole idea of like creating, you know, gossip and, you know, different types of tribes.
I'm not comfortable being in rooms with women, you know, closed doors without my wife.
It's because it's natural.
I don't want to hang out with some other dude's wife.
I want to go home and hang out with my wife.
And I think the solution, here's a white pill.
We're talking about a lot of bitter truths or hard truths, but unlike the erstwhile, you know, order versus liberty problem that, you know, comes, you know, to restore order in a place like Rhodesia might or might not require serious incursions against liberty.
And that's really unnatural because what a male human being, the one rational animal, particularly the male sex of rational animals, we don't like rules and liberty is natural for us.
And so to do away with crime in a place where crime is really rampant, I guess the excuse offered would be if you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs.
But it gets ugly because I do, you know, I'm never a big fan of order at the expense of liberty.
In the home place, to get women under control, women are out of control nowadays.
It's much different.
You don't really have to break any eggs because when you're talking about a curfew for a man, a male adult human being, there's something really unnatural about this.
I'm not saying I wouldn't support it in extreme enough times, but there's something unnatural about that.
Men are the leaders of the household.
Once you become 18 and you're a fully grown adult, it's natural for us to really have, you know, no boss but ourselves.
That's not the same with half the population, not 52% of the population out there.
With women, a woman is supposed to go from being under the loving, guiding care of her father to the loving, guiding care of her husband.
That's not a LARP.
I know people don't believe that shit now, but that's real.
That's what the wedding ceremony that pretty much takes place in every major wedding, Protestant, Christian, Evangelical, Catholic, Orthodox, happens.
That's what's happening is it's supposed to be a woman who does not have this strong orientation toward exercising liberty naturally the way a male adult does.
She wants to be led first by her father, and fathers aren't doing that.
They're sending their daughters across the country to go South Beach gone wild at spring break and to act crazy in the dorms the rest of the year and then to go into the workplace and to, you know, basically live alone in big, dangerous, uh, urban American settings until she meets a husband at 35 and pops out 1.7 kids.
That's because the boomers wrecked everything and the boomers don't believe in differences between men and women.
The solution I'm offering that's a lot cleaner than how to restore order out of the chaos we have in cities.
With women, it works so much more if they just see a loving, strong man, even if they didn't know a loving, strong father, because they're craving it.
They're called to it.
It's natural for them.
It's a second nature.
And, you know, cracking down a crime makes and requires, I'll fully admit, things that are not natural for men.
Men don't like rules.
Women do.
So it's our natures that govern the way that the conversation has had.
And it makes it much easier to crack back down on, you know, within the order of each individual household.
This is why, that's why it's actually kind of funny too, being from LA, you know, I have always found, I mean, obviously I'm married and stuff now, but it's like kind of like how women often are attracted to like, you know, even if you have a ring on your finger, they're like more attracted to you because for some reason it shows you know how to lead or whatever, what they want, what they can't have.
But it's always the joke, and it's so true that liberal women love conservative guys, right?
Like they say they want it, but like they'll, they'll, they'll fawn over you.
Like all these liberal streamers and progressives, like I meet them and they're like smitten and you're like, I thought you're into these weird, you know, soy boys and stuff like that.
But it's like, you know, they like the fact that you can make up your mind and you know what's going on.
I think you're right about that then.
It's like they're the most feminized, strange, weird liberals that progressive girls, they still always end up wanting you see TikTok.
So I saw what 200,000 likes of this girl with blue hair and nose ring.
She's like, I don't know why, but I just want to F, you know, I think she's Troy Bolton.
I wanted, I just want the football player.
I still wanted to sing a little bit.
She said, you know, so I know he's not fully racist, but I like, like Nazis and I like, I'm turned on by them.
And I was like, that's so funny.
Like, no matter how liberal you are, like the idea of some strong guy who has convictions and morals and wants, you know, you still want him.
And there's nothing you can do to fight that urge.
I do think you're right on that.
But how do we appeal to that then?
Is that just, are we putting the guilt back onto men now that men, it's, it's, men need to do this?
Or is it just more of a responsibility thing to become a stronger, bolder, more responsible version of yourself?
Men need to have responsibility placed back on them.
It shouldn't be mystifying to anybody, Elijah.
Women are naturally attracted to men and manliness.
Men are naturally attracted to women and women, womanliness.
So what are women by their nature?
They're receptive.
They're not expressive.
Men are expressive.
Women are passive by their nature.
And we're just talking about the sexual act, not to get too explicit.
Women are receptive and passive.
Men are expressive and active, right?
We're the active principle in sex.
It's very, very, very basic Freudian stuff.
And it's very Christian stuff.
There's not a lot of overlap between Freud and Christianity, but this is one of them.
It's very, very basic.
Everything between a woman and a man takes its cues from the marital act.
And men like women, women like men.
It's not that shocking after all.
It's kind of like a spoiled kid.
You know, there's an old Simpsons where Bart sees a really spoiled kid getting like two of the video games he wants at the store just for no reason.
Bart can't even afford one of them and the kid gets two.
And then Bart says, and the kid's super rude and telling his mom to shut up.
And Bart's like, wow, that's got to be the happiest kid ever.
Clearly, he's not.
When you spoil a child, they're miserable.
What you see out in the burbs a lot that mirrors the phenomenon.
You're talking about liberal women being attracted to conservative men.
In the burbs, women want to control their husbands.
It's a form of liberalism, even if they think they're conservative.
They want to control their husbands, but their sexual fantasies always involve big, strong men that tell them no.
It's like an aphrodisiac.
So I don't mean, again, the caricatured version where you're shouting no and doing this.
But if you just lovingly say, no, we can't do that.
No, we, you know, we can't afford that.
No, that would really actually, it would be fun, but that's dangerous.
You know, we shouldn't be around a big crowd in an urban setting.
What are you crazy?
You know, no, you know, yeah, maybe the girls want to get into dance, but I don't want them, you know, having their midriff.
These aren't things my wife would suggest because she's got too much good sense.
But a lot of men need to provide that no, and they'd get a lot better sex because, like the parent with the spoiled kid, you have a lot happier kid when you tell them no, not for no reason.
You know, you should tell them yes sometimes when you can, but when something's bad for a kid, you tell them no.
A husband that's like, look, I want you to be happy, but we're not going to spend that.
We're not going to go there.
We're not going to, we're not going to do this fundamentally dangerous thing.
Women are attracted to those forms of leadership.
And smart women, there are smart women out there, understand that it's actually a little bit naturally scary to say no.
That's why you get the overly permissive parent and so many overly permissive husbands, because fundamentally, we guys don't like to disappoint.
I want to tell my kids yes.
I want, you know, we're at, we're at, I have very, very appreciative kids and a very, very appreciative wife, but I like extending the vacation by one day.
It's like an encore.
They always know we'll do, if we can afford it, one extra day of Disney at the end.
Yeah, yeah, per day for a half day, $48, for the full day.
But the point is, it's scary to say no to women or kids because we want to make them happy.
But women respect, the smart women respect a man that says no and they're sexually attracted to it because they know that leadership involves saying no sometimes.
And so there's some things I wanted to get through with today's show that we'll just end up, we'll have already talked about in our episode on Catholicism.
And because I want to talk about a lot of the practical ways of how Catholicism can even answer the problems that men are facing, particularly what attracts me to these more traditional forms of Christianity is the patriarchal understanding that if the dad's not healthy, you know, the family will not be.
It's always happy, you know, wife, happy life.
And, you know, but it's like happy spouse, happy house, but also like, you know, things are bad if it's not going well with that type of thing, you know?
So I want to get back to that.
And so I'll have those discussions there.
So talk about your family, some of the trials you went through and the practicality.
So make sure if you're watching this, that you guys go to yesterday's episode.
It was a special.
We did one on Orthodoxy with Jay Dyer and we're doing one on Catholicism.
Actually, Tim here had, you know, basically, so you know, evangelistically, he was just like, hey, look, we need, I want, you're out here interested in Orthodox and Catholicism.
Him and I've done shows together in the past, too.
I was like, look, I want to explain the side of Catholicism as well.
I know that both him and Jay are like their ultimate goal is that you would find Christ and that you would, you know, be involved in his church.
But obviously there's a reason why one is Catholic and one is not.
They both think that they're in, you know, that their church is the original church.
This is an important thing to accept.
And I think a lot of times as Procs and evangelicals, we don't think like that, right?
Maybe Procs did originally used to think like that because they'd be like, oh, are you Anglican?
Are you this?
Are you that?
Evangelicals are just like, you know, the only thing they say is like, oh, are you Christian or Catholic?
They don't even understand that Catholics are Christians.
There's a lot of misunderstanding.
And I think it's good for us to explore those things.
And the reason why you should follow Timothy here is because, well, I really do believe he lives out what he preaches.
And me as a married man with children, a very flawed man, a man of many, many woes and oftentimes even vices that I should kick.
But, you know, I'm not looking for people to tell me what, you know.
That hyperborea is coming and that, you know, I just need to do one more TikTok post.
I want to talk to men who are living out the struggle, you know, of what it means to be a man.
Life is war as a man.
Life is a struggle.
It's a, but in many ways, it doesn't have to be as much as painful as people say it is.
Sometimes just like working out, you know, if you only work out once a week, it ends up being very painful every time you go.
But if you get a pattern of working out, then it becomes exciting to get to the gym and to get progress and the pain starts to feel good, you know, and it's kind of like a weird thing that we were built for.
But I appreciate this conversation, man.
And it's really awesome to hear.
I just want to give you your final thoughts and also tell us where we can find you.
I know you've written a lot of books.
They're for sale places.
I know you got a lot of social media.
Where is it that we can, you know, final thought?
Where can we stay up to date on what's going on and pick up your books?
I look forward to continuing it when we talk more expressly about Christianity, Catholicism, in that other show.
I would remind people, I'm on YouTube as well.
I've been kicked off or nearly kicked off before.
I've lost my Patreon, but just look up my name, Timothy Gordon, on YouTube.
The show is called Rules for Retrogrades, but Timothy Gordon will get you to my channel.
It's not hidden.
Welcome to Rules for Retrogrades.
You can follow me on Twitter, Timothyology at Tim Otheology with two E's, T-I-M-O-T-H-E-E-O-L-O-G-Y is where you can find my takes on Twitter.
And yeah, I've written five books, but the one that attracted the most attention is the case for patriarchy, because that's what I'm trying to make.
A non-caricatured, non-LARPy return to patriarchy, which is just another name for the Christian life for most Christian laymen is patriarchal order.
It means power to fathers.
That's the real difference with the red pill, since you asked earlier.
They're not about becoming fathers.
They're about having recreative sex.
When you're having procreative sex and creating godly families, for me and my household, we follow the Lord.
It means that the father will be the head of the house.
And the woman's the heart, obviously, but we're trying to restore patriarchal order, which means power to fathers.
And you know, I'm not LARPing because not only do I have lots of kids, but even when I taught high school, my student, my male students would come up to me.
They'd see my wife when my kids bring me lunch.
They'd say, Mr. Gordon, your wife is so pretty.
She's just always smiling at you.
She's always bringing you little things.
She's also like the world's best cheerleader.
How do we find that?
Even the 12th grade students would ask me, you know, how do you get a pretty wife that's into you and wants to be, they wouldn't use the word, but she wants to be your helpmate.
They're like, well, you got to be, you got to be, got to make yourself a good main character.
You got to be into interesting things.
You got to look as good as you can.
Not everyone's Brad Pitt.
Only one man is, but you got to look as good as you can.
You got to work out.
You got to be strong.
You got to test yourself, test your metal.
But most of all, women are attracted to the man who has principle.
The man who says no is the man with principle.
And you got to have principles.
And, you know, it can be done.
It can absolutely be done.
Like I said, it can even be done on a cheap dollar.
It's not true that women are all just chasing the dollar around.
You could still have a great wife.
You have to have a well-trained eye and you have to have a heart that loves and serves the Lord.
And you got to be strong.
Maybe know how to throw a punch.
Maybe know how to lift weights.
Be good at a sport or two.
Don't listen to all of the guys on the right.
We were talking about this best stage, which condemns playing sports.
Got to be manly because women are attracted to men.
So, you know, trying to look like when I saw some masked lesbos today.
And I just like, you know, do they really think that they look, I don't know, do they really think they look like men?
I don't really know.
But I can tell you this, you know, as myself, it's kind of funny.
You know, definitely going to the gym, doing all those things are very important.
But on Almost Serious, if you guys are watching this, so tomorrow, normally we have our shows live.
So it's like we have our show, The Rift, which is Monday through Friday at 7 p.m. Eastern Time.
That will only have been on Monday and Tuesday.
And we've shortened the week down because we're giving everyone time off with their families.
They're actually taking Wednesday through Sunday off, giving everyone time, like, because we like trying to not make everyone just live and die this show.
So if you're watching this, this will be coming out on July 3rd.
We will be off on July 4th through the weekend.
So usually, you know, we have shows.
I'm not entirely sure by the time of filming this if we're going to have the book club on Sunday, if we're going to delay it another week, this is the third episode, simply just because it's a holiday weekend.
But if you guys want to know, so then the night before, we're going to be having our special, which we usually do on Fridays, which is on Catholicism.
So when we do a special show, it's pre-recorded.
You guys can watch it.
So again, there'll be two Rift episodes, this and that.
But if you wonder why it's a weird week and this is your first time watching, we actually release content.
This channel does seven days a week at 7 p.m. Eastern Time live every week, which is actually kind of hard to do as a small team, but we're making it work.
And we have other contributors, right?
We have Sarah Stock.
We have Brayden Sorbo.
It's Kevin Sorbo's son.
Good guy.
You got to check out his content.
We also have our Irish friend as well, Keith Woods, who covers our European stuff.
Absolutely fantastic contributor.
And I also want to remind you guys, if you're new here, make sure you check out our website, rifttv.com, because we have new articles, like about a dozen new articles written every day with some really incredible writers who have been pretty monumental in writing fantastic things.
Like even the previous editor-in-chief of Gateway Pun, et cetera, work for us.
So it's been fantastic.
And we're growing this because of you guys and your support.
So if we left a super chat on this video and it didn't get read, I'll go ahead and answer all the super chats in locals.
So I'll go ahead and post a screenshot of them and answer them there.
There's a few more I have to do as well.
So you can go to our locals at Eli, it's elijahschafer.locals.com.
E-L-I-J-A-H-S-C-H-A-F-F-E-R dot locals.com.
And I noticed a lot of announcements, but also reminding you that this show and everything can be found at audio only on the Rift report.
To my guest, Timothy Gordon, man, it's been fantastic having you on.
I've really appreciated your wisdom and your understanding.
And, you know, you'll have been on for two other episodes before as well.
So I hope people, you know, check out your channel, check out what you're doing.
And I look forward to continuing to work with you in the future and whatever God has in store.
For the rest of you guys, thank you so much again for watching another episode of Almost Serious, our one-on-one sit-down with our guests outside of the daily news and the topics outside of the specials, just getting into what they know and their understanding of life.
Have a great rest of the week, as always, and may God bless the United States of America.
