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Pat Buchanan, you might have heard the name around here.
He's a pretty famous guy.
If you're younger, you might have heard some of your group chats speak about him, but you don't really know what he's about and how he influenced people like myself.
So to start our first ever book club, welcome to this.
A lot of you guys might not know that clip was from President Nixon.
Nixon's from my hometown in LA, Whittier.
What a beautiful town it was.
He was the most popular president in history, I think, actually, according to popular vote.
And they also impeached him because he was based.
This book, though, published in 2004, shortly after the 9-11 Patriot Act was put into place.
Where the right went wrong is a scathing critique by Patrick J. Buchanan, a prominent paleoconservative, it's a key word here, of the George W. Bush administration and the neoconservative influence within the Republican Party.
Buchanan argues that the GOP under Bush abandoned the traditional conservative principles of limited government, fiscal restraint, and non-interventionist foreign policy championed by figures like Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan.
Instead, he contends a small group of neoconservatives whom he described as liberal wolves in conservative suits hijacked U.S. policy, leading to detrimental outcomes for America.
So this book came out right after Sarah Stock did.
Yeah, but we're getting introduced to these words, right?
So paleoconservative.
It's like these people who are actually holding traditional values of our country, particularly not just of Western society, but in the context of this book, it's the people who are actually America first.
And you see what Nixon said is that, you know, if you are going to be America first, then you probably are going to be considered anti-Semitic, racist.
And we've talked about that a lot too.
The reason why this book's important is because it's kind of showing how our enemies took control.
When you go on the internet and you and you read a lot about what Douglas Murray is saying, what Mark Levine is saying, when you see what these, you know, Glenn Beck and these others who are promoting wars or are pushing to support Israel, you're going, why is that the status quo?
Well, that's the neocon establishment.
They are pushing for what?
What he said here.
He's arguing that these people, these people stopped fighting to keep our country from having demographic replacement, from having economic inflation, from trying to get spending under control, from keeping our morals and values in place, to instead, what are they doing?
They're trying to expand the government.
They want unlimited spending for wars.
They want to join any intervention that they can overseas.
And of course, they also, you know, we all know that want to send our money to other countries instead of our own.
I feel like that's why we're reading this is because a lot of people are waking up now in the last 10 years from Trump on and they think that the conservative ink they call it or the conservative establishment is like what conservatives have always been.
But this has only really been who we are for the last 20 years, 25 years.
They took over.
And before this, if you listen to Nixon, if you listen to Buchanan, even though you listen to these people, you find out that they thought a lot more like I do, even though I'm considered extreme, you know, toward the establishment.
So how did we get here in such a short period of time?
And we see it all over the internet where they're trying to make us believe that it is supposed to be the way that they're acting now, saying that we need these endless wars.
We need to always come to the aid of foreign countries.
Immigration, as you mentioned, is a perfect example of how we're actually being replaced.
And they're saying we need to welcome everybody.
So not only is it that they're going against what our founding fathers say, but even more in recent times, as you mentioned with Nixon and the other leaders we had previously.
Also, real quick, I think it's interesting too that we're reading this at this time because spoiler alert, but one big thing about this book is that it talks about neocons, obviously, as we've been talking about.
But one of the big areas where we went wrong was getting involved in the Iraq war and what are they trying to push us to do right now?
What did Mark Levin just go to the White House for?
Trying to push for.
Yeah, war with Iran.
Like literally just one letter change, changed that Q to an end.
I just read the first chapter so far, but it's really interesting to see the word tricks that they use to try to convince people that we need to support these endless wars in foreign countries.
And it's so crazy reading it because this is what they're saying 20 years ago.
And it's like word for word what they're still saying now, just with a different situation.
One example I found was Bush went in front of Congress nine days after September 11th and he says, every nation in every region now has a decision to make either you're with us or you're with the terrorists.
And so basically say like yeah, and I'm just like, this is exactly what they're always saying like, oh, if you're not supporting Israel, that means you support a terrorist organization.
It's like, it's like, no, maybe I just don't like either of them.
And I remember I had a Syrian roommate, and he was really confused why the West was going against Bashar al-Ossad.
And all of a sudden, what happened then?
We ended up arming ISIS, right?
We ended up arming ISIS to fight Bashar.
We created ISIS.
The United States did.
And you see this really big problem today where a lot of our problems, just like Netanyahu essentially created Hamas, right?
In order to keep the PLO out of power, the neocons are one of the most destructive forces on earth, whether they're in the Israeli government, the United States government.
We're not only controlling and making endless wars, we're also creating our own enemies that are justifying us to go to war, right?
The entire Gaza war is to fight a group that they invented.
And we've been fighting against ISIS, right?
This is like our whole fight.
I remind people we did, we armed the Taliban, the Mujahideen, in the 80s to fight Russia.
Like, where did they get all these equipment from?
These are guys in caves with goats.
Who armed them?
We did.
And that's why, look, people have been afraid for a long time.
I want to look at this video here.
Who's afraid of us?
The neocons weren't always confident that they were going to win, right?
They weren't always confident.
But listen to how they spoke.
I think this is Irving Kristol, right?
Check this out.
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Welcome to Afterwards.
My name is David Brooks, and we are here to talk about a book called The Neoconservative Persuasion, Selected Essays from 1942 to 2009.
And the book was written by, or consists of writings written by Irving Kristol.
Irving Crystal is not here because he died last year in September.
But we are joined by his son, Bill Crystal, who will probably need no introduction to anybody watching this.
Bill Crystal grew up in New York.
Let's see if I know your resume.
Used to be my boss.
Went to Harvard University, taught at Penn, worked for William Bennett at the Education Department, Dan Quayle, and now edits a fine magazine where I used to work called The Weekly Standard.
Very well done.
Thank you, thank you.
And so I thought we'd start by talking about your dad's life because I think neoconservatism and a lot of American conservatism flows out of his life.
And the first thing I want to ask you about was his upbringing, the social class he was raised in, what your, I guess, grandfather did.
And because I think those roots informed a lot of his writing later on.
He grew up poor, but I think he says somewhere maybe in this book that he didn't realize he was poor.
He bet everyone was poor in his neighborhood in Brooklyn.
Poor working class.
His father, my grandfather, was employed as a jobber and a tailor.
And I think fairly regularly employed, though I think in the Depression, like everyone else, he lost his job and may have had to start over once or twice.
But I think my father had a, his father, his mother died when he was young, when he was a teenager.
But apart from that, I think he had a happy childhood.
And I think very much of a sense that there was none of the later, none of the class resentments that Marxists wanted to think that the working class should have in the 20s and 30s.
And none of the alienation that later sociologists thought that, you know, being a Jewish kid in a Christian America would cause.
I think he had a happy and well-adjusted childhood and then went to City College of New York.
Which, by the way, I include this in here because I thought it was interesting because I mean, you know, right now we're recording this on June 6th on Friday.
And I think this is going to come out tomorrow or Sunday afternoon.
So who knows what happens in between now and then?
But I do find it very interesting that JD Vance, who has all these connections to Peter Thiel and all these other people, now all of a sudden, Elon Musk is lobbying for him to actually take over the role of president when Trump gets impeached.
And as of this morning, they were saying that they were calling off the peace talks between Trump and Elon.
So it seems like, and all this actually happening at the exact same time that we're having this issue with Israel and Iran and them threatening to preemptively strike.
So just an interesting coincidence.
I think it's actually not a coincidence.
I think it's all actually very coordinated, actually.
Yeah, they pushed for JD Vance to get in that position.
So, you know, if he goes ahead and he does take power and Trump is pushed out, that we're just going to see the endless wars once again heading into Iran or wherever else that, you know, they want him to head into that direction as far as Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel funded his whole career, as you mentioned.
I mean, he's really the guy that lifted JD Vance up and then put him out on the stage for us.
It wasn't organic.
JD Vance wasn't randomly picked.
He was brought there by Peter Thiel and many other people behind the scenes.
But anyway, that's actually, that was more for his Senate run.
But I do think it's kind of interesting.
On top of that, I just want to remind people, though, that, yeah, these arguments in this book from Irving Crystal were a collection of neoconservative essays from 1942 to 2009, which is very, very diabolical in the fact that what you see is that these were post-World War II reconstructionists.
They saw a way to take advantage of the traditional paleoconservative standards of America before World War II and to reshape it.
How is it also that it turns out that the person who wanted to reshape America was a Democrat, right?
You know what I mean?
The Democrat family went, hey, we could take advantage of this.
Maybe we'll take an event from World War II and remind everybody of it forever and then guilt trip them into accepting our hegemony.
Now, these people are still anti-communist, right?
They want to have this ultimate control, but it's through interventionist policy.
And that's what Netanyahu is.
That's even what JD Vance is.
That's been what every president has been before our time.
You know, Obama is an interventionist.
However, let's talk about a couple of the key themes and arguments from this book.
Foreign policy critique in this book, Buchanan asserts that neoconservatives pushed a preemptive military strategy, particularly the Iraq war.
He also talks about that this is a prolonged war of civilizations, right?
That we're not just going to battles.
This isn't like the Gulf War.
We're trying to get Saddam out of Kuwait.
We're like, we have Islam versus the West.
These are like cultural battles.
He includes historical analysis, such as a 20-page section on Islam to contextualize his opposition to neoconservatives' foreign policy.
Economic and trade policies, the book criticizes the Bush administration's embrace of free trade, claiming it sacrificed American workers and industrial power to globalism.
Buchanan argues that policies like NAFTA outsourced jobs and eroded national sovereignty, contrasting with the protectionist learnings of traditional conservatism.
Big government betrayal, Buchanan laments the GOP's shift towards big government, marked by massive budget deficits.
It's kind of ironic.
We're still involved in that today.
Cultural and immigration concerns.
The book echoes Buchanan's earlier works, like The Death of the West, warning of a cultural decline due to unchecked immigration and liberal social policies.
He also had his controversial where he refers to California as Mexifornia.
Buchanan advocates through or turn to paleoconservative principles, non-interventionism, protectionism, and cultural traditionalism, which now even the right calls xenophobic.
I want to remind you, you know, you said that picture to me too, that gay guy that was like flexing.
He's like, who said people don't want to date gay MAGA guys?
And then like the tweet above it was Kai being like, what's up with all these gays and MAGA?
My point is, is that MAGA's got MAGA is, I even saw this lesbian woman that said, like, I am the new conservative.
You know, there's a lot of these new terms now, like MAGA, new conservative.
What it means is like, it's this liberal center, right?
So MAGA is a very liberal, it's not progressive, but it's liberal.
It's, it's, you know, they're not pushing homosexuality.
They're not promoting transgenderism, but it's liberal and they accept it.
They accept it and they don't think you should bother.
It's like, if you want to be gay in here, go ahead.
We're not going to tell your kids to be gay.
We're not progressing the LGBTQ agenda, but we totally accept it and we're liberal and we're going to let you live however you want.
We have a very liberal movement.
Yeah, it's not Portland.
You know, people are not just like, you know, trying to cut their genitals off and stuff.
This is obviously a much more relaxed form of progressivism, but it's not conservative.
They're not trying to conserve anything and definitely not paleo-conservative.
So much so that even myself, who's not a conservative, if I'm a nationalist, nationalism and protectionism and nativism are paleo-conservative ideals, though.
I get pushed out and don't get to talk in the main stage anymore because why?
Because I don't think that we, I think America, I think our country should stay European.
I think that we should, you know, basically make some of these, you know, gender identity issues, mental issues, and we should institutionalize people.
These are very common ideas 20, 30 years ago.
Gay marriage wasn't even legal until 2012.
So it's like, you know, don't tell me that we've been in this progressive world for so long.
And I guess what he's saying is it's like, just reminding you guys, these ideas sound so foreign that anyone that was prominent running for president and almost winning would be fighting against Mexico and these phrases.
If you look at Turning Point, I mean, they push a lot into that LGBTQ movement.
And then even like Nancy Mace's recent tweet where she's like, we need to take the T out, you know, but still pushing, once again, LGBTQ, but just, I guess, without the T.
So also not just that, but I mean, not even, well, I mean, close to 10 years ago now, but I mean, Trump actually kind of ran on those exact same policies that we were talking about, about Buchanan, especially free trade and immigration.
And I mean, I would say, I mean, I think some would even say that Trump was more, he was more, I can't think of the word right now.
Not just that, but like he was being a little bit more forward with what he was saying once it came to immigration.
Trump was.
Trump wouldn't hold back.
Trump wasn't using coded language.
He was pretty explicit about what he was talking about when he was saying that we didn't want them here because they were criminals and because they were this and that or whatever.
Well, I guess for, I guess relative to the time, because maybe back, because actually what I was going to say earlier, too, is that when you, which a book I want to get into in a future book club around the next book that we do, I would like to read Alien Nation by Peter Brimlow.
I started it.
I never finished it.
But in the same way that you read this book and you think, wow, this is a lot of what's going on right now.
Same thing with alienation and immigration.
I mean, in 1990, 1991, which is when I was born, I was born in 1990, Peter Brimlow was saying it was over then.
I just want to say, he's like, I remember, I remember watching Ted Coppel and Nightline back when like, this is like ABC was like talking about the uncomfortable reality of shifting demographics.
Like ABC, because it's like old school Democrats were like, I don't know about this.
It was like here in California, I was born and raised in LA, like, you know, things have shifted drastically in the last 20 years.
I remember my mom, who was like, loved Hispanic people and stuff, remembering when Whittier, after the earthquake happened, you know, the big LA earthquake that happened in the 80s there, she remembers when it went from a white city to when they tore down the houses and started building apartments.
And then all the Hispanics moved in and how the crime just went up and, you know, the trash and the pollution, how it used to be one of the most like beautiful cities.
And you go there and it's some of the greatest pieces of architecture.
You know, even that famous movie of Shia LaBeouf was filmed there.
Yeah, but that was the RNC was the main one we were talking about.
And I like Harmeet, by the way.
And I spoke to Harmeet after that because I said that I thought that people were really, because at that point, she wasn't like, didn't have any real power in the GOP.
And I said, you know, I really think people were cruel to you because I think you've done a lot for this country.
I think people, there's a difference between people attacking her and not liking that she prayed to demons versus like somehow saying that she was worthless and whatever because she's been an incredibly powerful help to the GOP in so many legal issues, including my own.
She helped me with my January 6th style.
Oh, wow.
Like, yeah, so, but, but I was going to say, still, like, hey, there's one thing that's what I said of like a country being like, hey, you know what, Harmit, we love you.
You've been very helpful.
You don't have to leave the ethno-state or whatever.
But, like, we're not going to let, we're not going to platform you to pray to demons on our stage.
And that's very, that's fine.
You know, it's like, it's like you may have a brother who's gay or a sister who's a lesbian.
And like, you're like, hey, you know, I just don't want you bringing like your wife or your girlfriend over my house around my kids.
It's like the difference between someone like Nala Ray being invited to speak at Turning Point and then her just being allowed to attend the conference.
But yeah, it's become to the point where we're actually bringing people on stage who are praying to, I guess, like, you know, we shouldn't be making these people.
Like, they can come into the fold, like, okay, yeah, you should go to church.
You should vote Republican.
You should support these policies, whether or not you align with us completely.
Love to have your support.
We don't need to make you the face of the movement.
We don't need to make you one of our leaders and platform you and set you as an example for other people and normalize your religion or your degenerate lifestyle or whatever.
Well, also, too, I mean, and what have we been doing for so many years now?
We've been saying Judeo-Christian.
But one man who was ahead of all of us, well, yeah, I guess all of us on this was Patrick Buchanan saying that even back in 91, he was saying that Congress was Israeli-occupied territory.
I said on the McLaughlin group in response to a question, Jim, they said, Do you think that the Congress of the United States will resist this demand for further aid?
I said, throughout a crack at her.
I said, no, the Congress of the United States is Israeli-occupied territory.
What I meant by that is the most powerful lobby in Washington, which Congress can't stand up to, one of the most powerful is certainly the pro-Israeli lobby.
It has gotten its way in this town year in and year out.
And I don't think the automatic votes of the Congress of the United States for three and four billion dollars worth of aid to Israel are necessarily in the national interest of the United States.
And that comment, which is to ridicule the subservience of the Congress of the United States, is perfectly valid.
I do not believe my government should subsidize Israeli socialism, which we have done, and I do not believe we should subsidize a policy on the West Bank of the Jordan River, which denies the Palestinian people rights which I support from Lithuania to Croatia.
But if I also believe that Pat Buchanan is entitled to stand up and speak out against any kind of political lobby, whether it's the Greek lobby, aid for Greece, or whether it's the pro-Israeli lobby, aid for Israel, without being called vile names.
And you think that's what's happened to you?
Let me tell you something, Jim.
When this little flap is 18 months old, I made this crack.
I know Buckley's talking about an 18-month-old column.
Let's forget that.
When this broke, I made that wise acre crack about the Amen corner.
It was wise acre, and it was very funny.
You know what happened as a consequence of that?
People called my newspapers that carried my column and said, drop Buchanan.
APAC listed five conservative columnists who were accepted.
You know, the pro-Israeli lobby, bro.
I went out to speak in the country, and a little girl from the junior league said, I get these horrible calls from New York about you.
People, there are individuals who are pro-Israeli, go around the country and speak in synagogues and say, call CNN and get Pat Buchanan taken off the air.
Those kinds of tactics, in my judgment, are un-American.
They are done in the name of the First Amendment, and they violate the spirit of the First Amendment.
You know me.
I've been in this town for 25 years, 30 years.
I am controversial.
I am sometimes insensitive.
I am tough and I am hard.
But I think that this type of thing is beyond the pale.
Well, yeah, but I'll say, you know, he got accused of being anti-Semitic from some Jewish individuals simply because he had talked about Jewish influence in the United States.
And, you know, he denied those claims forever and tried to correct the base.
Because I've always told people, you know, that what this book is doing is creating an intellectual argument against neoconservatives.
What we know neoconservatives do and what they're famous for, which is what we call the Uniparty.
Remember, neocons aren't just right-wing.
They're right and left-wing, right?
They're Republican and Democrat.
But neocons created a system to where they will call you, just like the communists, they call you names to discredit you.
They call you woke right.
They call you, you know, anti-Semitic.
They call you extreme or, you know, white supremacist, white nationalist.
So they use a lot of these words to try to describe you so that people won't listen to you.
And they were doing that with Buchanan back then.
They're doing that with him today.
Okay, let's talk about a couple of things, though, as we go through.
So obviously, some more clips from Buchanan that I think are really interesting.
So you kind of get familiar with who he is.
Oh, that page doesn't exist.
All right.
You know, Buchanan, Buchanan, obviously, knew that the Democrats were bad.
What he was warning us about, though, was what was happening in the Republican Party was that neoconservatives were taking over.
He already knew the Democrats had been lost, right, to the Marxists.
He already knew that, which is kind of ironic, right?
He's like, hey, Democrats are already going towards the Marxist route, but we're going to be taken over by these pro-war interventionists that are going to abandon everything that we value.
Here's about the RNC in 1992.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Last month, I watched that giant masquerade ball up at Madison Square Garden where 20,000 liberals and radicals came dressed up as moderates and centrists in the greatest single exhibition of cross-dressing in American political history.
Militant leader of the homosexual rights movement could rise at that same convention and say, Bill Clinton and Al Gore represent the most pro-lesbian and pro-gay ticket in history, and so they do.
There is a religious war going on in this country.
It is a cultural war as critical to the kind of nation we shall be as the Cold War itself.
But this war is for the soul of America.
And in that struggle for the soul of America, Clinton and Clinton are on the other side.
And a lot of people, that's the biggest thing they usually promote is when you have someone who's a gay influencer, they think it's like, you know, a coming of Jesus in a way to them.
Yeah, their two favorite things, it seems to be gays and wars.
So I don't get that at all.
But yeah, it's a continuous pushing of us in that direction.
As you mentioned, when you hear the people in the crowd who are booing, you know, it just shows you how far away we are now.
Because if we come out and we speak against war or we speak against, you know, the gay agenda, then instantly we're the ones who are attacked immediately.
But I don't see much change for it other than that.
I do want to remind you guys this.
Okay, so check this out.
That's a little bit of intro of Buchanan, you know, a little bit of a talk on neoconservatism in the future.
What we're going to do is we're literally going to just like jump in and like talk about each chapter and some of the important things that we discussed, the important points.
You know, assuming you've already read it, this is really only going to be a book club for people that are actually reading it.
So you're really not going to enjoy this if you're not actually reading the book.
Again, so please download it.
You can show them again if they're if they're joining.
This is the book, Where the Right Went Wrong with Patrick J. Buchanan.
And, you know, by next Sunday, so Sundays at 7 p.m., you guys will have needed to read The Introduction, which is America Empire.
Chapter one, The Democratic Imperialism and the War President.
Chapter two, The War Party, Hijackers of American Foreign Policy.
And three, is Islam the Enemy?
So it'll simply just be three chapters and an introduction.
So if you're able to do that, that would be very good.
I think that's probably only what, like, you know, 60, 70 pages or something like that.
It's like in terms of actual physical pages, it's like 88 pages over a week.
So you got like seven days to read 88 pages.
I don't think that should be so hard.
That'll get you about a quarter through the book.
And that, you know, try to just put, you know, maybe like 15, 10, 12 to 15 pages a day, about 15, maybe, and you should probably be caught up.
That's really not that hard to do.
If you want to wake up in the morning, I honestly suggest we're reading five or six pages in the morning, about five or six pages in the afternoon at night.
Keep it with you.
That's why the Kindle's nice.
Just kind of read it while you're at an appointment or whatever.
Keep that thing with you at all times.
Now, if you want to win this Kindle, thanks to Mike for putting together this great document and rundown for the show today.
It was fantastic.
Mendoza doesn't always write the shows anymore, but when he does, it's always very, very nice.
Okay, so we have this new Kindle.
And I purchased this.
This is really cool.
And we purchased some Kindles for the crew as well.
How do you win this?
Well, number one, I'm only going to suggest that you try to win this if you literally financially, are not in a position to afford one, because I'd like to leave this open to people who this would really bless them, because we're kind of a cool community here and we're not.
We're not Democrats, so we're not greedy and steal from people when we don't need it.
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The ones that we have are bigger, um and a bigger screen, but ours have like, when you click on top, it'll like, has like more that you can like glow and stuff.
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They're like I don't need one of these because I have an IPad, and you're like yeah, so like we don't want to be able to access internet porn and books at the same time, want to stay focused correct yeah um oh, that's why yeah, let me see, oh see okay yeah yeah yeah yeah, that makes sense okay wait why yeah, there you go.
No, you literally do have the light.
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It can be on your phone, you can download it already, you can get the Kindle app, you can get the book um, you can uh, you can take a picture of yourself watching this show, because that's fine too if you're, if you're wanting to get this first or you're waiting to buy it, show yourself.
And again, if you don't, we want to show some pictures, we want people to do this anyways.
So please do this and send a picture of yourself or your family, or whatever it is uh watching the show or reading the book, with the book open to uh, uh.
Mike Dot Mendoza at Rifftv.com.
M-i-k-e dot M-e-n-d-o-z-a.
At R-a-ft-t-tv.com.
And again, if you don't want your face in it, your face doesn't have to be in it.
You could just have a, you know, your wife take a sense of back shot, a back shot of you, like just watching your screen.
You don't have to be involved in it.
But we want to try to show some pictures, upload it to the book club, remind people that people are joining, that this is real, that people are following along with it.
So again, send that.
And then by next week, somebody who did that, we will be giving away one of these.
And we'll try to do little prizes and things pretty much every week for this book club as we're getting started.
And then in the future, we'll try to give away a prize at the beginning of every book club.
