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May 14, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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The SHILOH HENDRIX Debate: Sarah Stock, Jon Miller, Misfit Patriot, Bryson Gray | The Rift Report

Ever since the Shiloh Hendrix issue came up, the debate has arisen - are white people sick and tired of white guilt? What is the “woke right” exactly? And how does it affect the political landscape as a whole?Show more Sarah Stock, Jon Miller, Misfit Patriot and Bryson Gray join us for a debate about all those topics and more here on Rift TV! __ ⇩ SHOW SPONSORS⇩ ➤ VAN MAN COMPANY: Vanman Co. is the go-to source for all-natural, non-toxic and chemical free products — from creams to deodorant, soap and mouthwash, Vanman Co. is one of the only companies to deliver on quality without cutting corners when it comes to your health and well-being. Go to https://www.vanman.shop/elijah and use promocode ELIJAH for 10% OFF! ➤ NUTRONICS LABS: USE PROMOCODE: ELIJAH | https://www.tboostnow.com ➤ 1775 Coffee: https://www.1775coffee.com/RIFT ➤ Sport Drink: https://sport-drink.com/?ref=elijah ➤ Locals: https://www.elijahschaffer.locals.com ___ ⇩ELIJAH’S SOCIAL MEDIA ⇩ ➤ X: https://X.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/SlightlyOffensive ➤ INSTA: https://www.instagram.com/slightlyoffensive.tv ➤ TELEGRAM https://t.me/SlightlyOffensive ➤ GAB: https://gab.com/elijahschaffer ___ ⇩ FOLLOW SARAH STOCK ⇩ ➤ X: https://x.com/sarahcstock ➤ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/sarah.stock.politics/ ___ ⇩ FOLLOW JON MILLER⇩ ➤ X: https://x.com/MillerStream ___ ⇩ FOLLOW BRYSON GRAY ⇩ ➤ X: https://x.com/RealBrysonGray ___ ⇩ FOLLOW MISFIT PATRIOT⇩ ➤ X: https://x.com/misfitpatriot_ ➤BOOKINGS + BUSINESS INQUIRIES: [email protected] Show less

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bryson gray
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elijah schaffer
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jon miller
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sarah stock
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zach bonfilio
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elijah schaffer
What is your understanding of the woke right?
Can you define it?
Do you even believe it's a real thing?
zach bonfilio
The woke movement, I would say, is aligned with the Grouper community.
Everything is the fault of the evil Jewish cabal and no personal accountability.
It's all about identity politics and victimhood.
elijah schaffer
Are the people that defend Jews and are really care about Israel and an ethno-state, are they hypocrites or are they woke right or where would you put that?
bryson gray
Every time somebody criticizes anything about Jews or the word Israel, if you scream anti-Semitic, every time somebody does that, just like the people that scream anti-light at everything, you just like the people that scream racism and everything.
zach bonfilio
I'm a Zionist in the theological sense.
My quote, Zionism, it's not modern Zionism from Theodore Herzl.
This is a mandate from my creator.
jon miller
It's just total nonsense theology.
The entire Old Testament is how the Israelites screwed up and God's like, okay, well, this was a two-ended covenant.
You said you're going to worship me.
You said you're going to love me.
You said you're going to be faithful.
And you're not doing this.
So this isn't going to work.
zach bonfilio
I am doing a theological Zionist perspective towards defending Jewish people because I think that it's exactly how we ended up with the Holocaust.
sarah stock
You've been saying things like, I don't care how many children die.
None of us actually care about the kids dying.
zach bonfilio
It's a war.
You should be okay with it.
sarah stock
But you are saying then that you do have an emotional connection to the people of Israel.
I don't really have an emotional connection to either.
So I'm able to look at this logically and just say, okay, I think they're killing too many kids.
Why do you think that Jews want their own country?
Because they're a minority in every other country.
And you support that.
elijah schaffer
Well, the Shiloh Hendricks situation sparked off a conversation that many people are talking about, but very few can seem to come to the same conclusion.
While black people backed Carmelo Anthony and supported him on Give, Said, and Go, saying, look, we think he was a victim of a criminal justice system gone wry.
And he really is being mistreated because he was black.
While white people said, this is a murderer.
How dare you support him?
I think that was a little more cut and dry.
But then a woman called a alleged five-year-old autistic kid, which we have no evidence of, the N-word, and then raised another half a million dollars, I think $700,000 herself.
And the question came, why?
Why would people donate to that campaign?
Well, many people on the right were saying, well, because it's time for white people to collectivize, to come together to protect our own.
And the war broke out, not between the left and the right, not between the black and the white, but between what they call the woke right and the kosher right, two sides of the right wing that are splitting apart in this day and age, saying, are white people allowed to collectivize?
We're going to be talking about this, including was it okay what Shiloh Hendricks did and the limits of how much white people can come together to fight for their shared interests, or even if they have those things.
Today, my guests are experts. in the social media field.
They have massive followings.
They're going to introduce themselves.
Let's start with Misfit Patriot.
Tell us who you are, your religious affiliation, and a little bit about what you do and why you were invited on the show today.
zach bonfilio
Thanks.
Thanks for having me.
So, yeah, my handle on X, Misfit Patriot underscore, you can do Misfit Patriot on Instagram.
And I do a podcast called TMP Uncensored on Rumble.
Religious affiliation, Christian, raised Catholic, born, Catholic.
So the Catholic Church ain't leaving me, but I pretty much just, you know, have the, I don't really do the Catholic church anymore.
Just call myself a Christian.
And yeah, I was invited on here by Sarah.
We were on Pierce Morgan together, and I think it's going to be a good discussion.
elijah schaffer
Excellent.
That's Misfit Patriot.
You should follow him.
His links are in the description.
Of course, he's a legendary rapper, but so much more.
Bryson Gray, why don't you do the same thing?
Introduce yourself, religious affiliation, and a little bit about who you are and why you're on the show today.
bryson gray
I am a biblical Christian rapper.
I am a Torah observant Christian, just like all the apostles.
And another fun fact is one of the first times the term woke right was being used was to attack me when I called out a demonic calendar, which is oddly odd because he said the other side is kosher right.
And I'm somebody that actually eats kosher.
So I'm neither side.
So yeah, that's me, though.
elijah schaffer
Excellent.
And of course, down in the bottom left, John Miller, introduce yourself.
The same thing.
Tell us why you're here.
jon miller
What's up, everyone?
I'm John Miller.
I am Miller Stream on X. Our religious affiliation is Roman Catholic.
And I'm here because Sarah sent me a DM and said, hey, you want to appear on this show?
And these are some of my favorite people on X.
These are some of my favorite interlocutors.
So I'm excited to be a part of this conversation.
elijah schaffer
Amazing.
Thanks, John, for being here.
And of course, Miss Stock, introduce yourself.
Same thing, religious affiliation and why you're here.
sarah stock
Yeah, my name's Sarah.
I'm a Catholic.
As of recently, I converted and joined the church.
So today was interesting with the Pope and everything following along with that.
And yeah, I guess I'd call myself like a Christian nationalist politically.
And I'm the one who had the idea for this because I don't know.
I just think we need more debates.
elijah schaffer
Yes.
And so you can say why you're here, your contributor writer for RiftTV.com.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
elijah schaffer
I'm just getting the assist there.
Other than that, I will be doing no assist during the show.
Let's go ahead and let's define the rules, gentlemen, so that we know what this is going to be before we say the first question.
Obviously, number one, if you're talking over people incessantly, you will be muted and then unmuted when you calm down.
I'm not in control of that, so you know the bias isn't there.
Mike Mendoza's behind the production desk and pretty much will just mute someone if and when they are absolutely going crazy.
Number two, there are no right or wrong answers in this.
No one's going to shame you for having a different answer.
We'll not kick you from the debate for saying something we disagree with as a platform.
We do not endorse anything that is said by anyone on this platform, no matter how obscene it is.
We believe in free speech.
However, things that are 18 plus are not really, really should not be introduced into this debate as we got to keep this at least somewhat family friendly.
There are also no limits on the type of language being used, but harsh obscenities will be bleeped in the final production.
That is not censorship on certain platforms.
They have guidelines and we will bleep certain words or phrases that go against those guidelines.
However, a full uncensored version will be released on rumble.com.
Also, light personal attacks are okay, but this is not an ad hominem gossip drama channel.
So, leaking people's personal information, doxing family members, phone numbers, information not correlated to the debate will not be tolerated under any circumstances.
Again, it is a debate.
Please stick to the issues the best you can.
And lastly, we will not cut anything out that you say on the Rumble version.
However, if John Miller decides to start playing Kanye West's new song and doing some fancy throw your heart out hand movements, that may be cut out of the YouTube version.
But again, just to prove that there's no nothing cut, there is no takes.
That will only be on Rumble and not on the other platforms, possibly on X as well.
All right, let's jump right into it.
We'll go to Misfit Patriot to begin.
And our first question is: What is your understanding of the woke right?
Can you define it?
Do you even believe it's a real thing?
Let's go, Misfit.
What are your thoughts?
zach bonfilio
Yeah, actually, I was one of the first people to be calling out the woke right back in 2021.
And for me, I think that a lot of people will, you know, misrepresent that term or they'll coin the term to somebody it doesn't really belong to.
Woke right is identity politics, right?
And it's essentially horseshoe theory, right?
The far right and the far left, they come together on certain issues, and it's identity politics, a victimhood mentality, and trying to cancel anybody you disagree with.
So basically, if you act like the woke left, you're woke right.
If you don't act like the woke left, you're not woke right.
And you know how the left acts.
They make everything about race, everything about identity.
They're always calling everybody like somebody else is to blame for all of their problems.
And if you push back on them, they engage in gang stalking, mob mentality, try to get you canceled.
And there are a lot of people on the right that are doing this.
You know, the people that are in these like Discord servers where they go and they spam people's accounts.
And they, there are people who dox other people.
I wouldn't say that that's the majority of the problem on the right.
We have a little bit more respect.
But the woke movement, I would say, is mostly aligned with, let's say, the Groyper community, right?
Everything is the fault of the evil Jewish cabal.
It's no personal accountability.
It's all about identity politics and victimhood.
When in reality, you called it the kosher right.
I don't know what that means.
I would just say real conservatism and, you know, the real right.
They focus more on policy.
They focus more on politics.
And they don't focus on some type of victimhood mentality.
It's more pull yourself up by the bootstraps, stop blaming everybody else for your problems.
elijah schaffer
Would you define anybody on the panel today as being woke, right?
Grison said he was called that.
zach bonfilio
I think Sarah would be the closest one because I see some of her content being leaned towards the anti-Jewish narrative, the Nick Fuentes style of doing online.
It's great for engagement and clicks, but I also say that a lot of the people on the right, the woke right, they don't actually believe what they're saying.
They're just, they know it's going to get them views.
And I think that there are plenty of people on the internet that are guilty of that, me included.
Sometimes I engagement farm too.
I just don't do it with identity politics.
I don't blame the Jews and some Jewish conspiracy or the JQ for why everything's up in the world.
There are deep states in every country.
There's a perfectly reasonable explanation that's not the Jews for 99.9% of the things that they talk about.
So yeah, I mean, I nothing against Sarah.
I think that she just aligns with that.
elijah schaffer
Sarah, I mean, he's calling you out.
I mean, so Misfit Patriot saying we're hearing here for the first time that he might do some things for engagement farming.
I know that's hard to believe, but I want to ask you, he's saying you're woke right.
Obviously, it's a pejorative.
I mean, it's not used, you know, in a positive light.
I think James Lindsey said on Jordan Peterson, it's about attaching a label to somebody in order to kind of, you know, exclude them from conversations or put a label that might make them think a little bit that they're in an out group.
When you get called woke right, do you believe in the idea of woke right?
What do you think that is?
Because obviously people with great prominence are calling you that.
I mean, what's your opinion?
sarah stock
Well, obviously, the whole reason they're using woke right is because they don't want to say anything like dissident right or alt-right because that sounds cool.
So they're trying to like make it sound lame, but everyone knows like they're basically talking about the dissident right, like the people actually criticizing like the mainstream right-wing, like just like MAGA liberal narrative.
elijah schaffer
Okay, but what is woke right then?
I mean, that's what you're saying it is.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I agree.
Like, in some way, it kind of is identity politics because actually realizes that like identity politics is real politics.
I mean, I would agree with that.
elijah schaffer
So you would say you're woke, by their definition of what woke right is.
You're saying you agree with Misfit that you fall in that category?
sarah stock
True.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
All right.
Okay.
sarah stock
I said before, I was like, I'm proud woke right.
elijah schaffer
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
There it is.
I mean, hey, we're getting, we have a, you know, Lily got us, same thing.
We'll talk about that with Pierce Morgan later.
But Bryson, I'd love you to weigh in on this.
bryson gray
I feel like if we're going to use the term woke right, I think it's a gay term.
And like I said, when I called the conservative calendar demonic, that's when I first started seeing people use the term woke right to attack me.
But if we're going to use the woke right, then it has to be sort of what Misfit Patriot said when you're pretty much copying what the left does.
So I do agree with him that if you are a person, I think you're a victim simply because you're white, identity politics.
If it's going to be you, you are woke right.
But I'm not saying to throw a jab at you, Misfit Patriot, but I was attacked at a TPUSA conference, like sucker hit by somebody because I called homosexuality.
zach bonfilio
I was wondering, we got, we're getting right into it.
bryson gray
No, no, no, it's okay.
It's behind us.
I just found it funny.
I was talking about canceling people and I got literally assaulted for calling homosexuality an abomination.
Could we do it?
zach bonfilio
Can we do a respectful, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Could we do a respectful, real, real, real respectful quick, first of all, I'd like to, I'd like to squash this because I trolled you for so long.
And I think that, I think that it's awesome when you have a conversation.
Finally, I didn't know you were going to be on here.
I didn't get drunk.
I did get drunk and I slapped Bryson, right?
It was a very stupid, childish thing to do.
sarah stock
Yeah, he just came up to him on TV.
bryson gray
Well, it was then ran.
zach bonfilio
No, hey, let's be honest.
unidentified
They wrestled in the gravel.
zach bonfilio
Let's be honest.
You had four people that were trying to dogpile me.
So anybody who's smart will get out of that situation.
bryson gray
No, no, no.
They were all trying to stop me from running towards you.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but they were all your friends.
I was by myself.
bryson gray
No, I didn't know.
I didn't know.
I didn't know any of them.
This is my first time meeting half of them.
I'll be honest with you.
sarah stock
Wait, which one of you won that fight in the gravel?
zach bonfilio
It was an even fight.
He punched me once.
I punched him once.
He got on top of me.
I flipped it and he ran away.
So because he said I kicked him in the ball.
bryson gray
Okay.
It's funny because it passed, but this is all.
zach bonfilio
It's on video.
You ran away.
bryson gray
It's all video.
zach bonfilio
You ran away.
You ran away.
unidentified
It's on video.
bryson gray
Mr. Patriot, can I just recap what actually happened that everybody can see on video?
zach bonfilio
You can give your version.
I think we're spending too much time on it, but it's up to you.
bryson gray
Oh, I can't give.
Okay, just a quick response.
zach bonfilio
No, no, no, go.
bryson gray
I had to walk probably like 30 minutes to meet wherever he wanted us to meet.
Like, I follow all his rules.
His friend said, no dirty fighting, literally what his friends said, no dirty fighting.
And if somebody clearly has the upper hand and just stop because nobody wants to get, go to prison or something like that out here.
So when we got there, he was in the gravel.
And I said, why not fight in the street of grass?
And he said he was drunk, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
He said, he started screaming at me, no, we're fighting in the gravel.
And I'm like, bro, this is silly.
If you've ever been in a fight before, this just doesn't make any rational sense to fight in gravel.
zach bonfilio
The street was very well lit in a residential area.
I wanted to fight.
I wanted to fight somewhere people wouldn't call the cops on us.
So I picked a field and I looked at the field on Google Maps.
I did not know it was a gravel field, which is the reason why that fight was so sloppy.
elijah schaffer
But what if God promised him the field 3,000 years ago?
So we had to fight for it.
zach bonfilio
Hey, Bryce, you know what?
By the way, you son of a gun.
You're not supposed to hit people when they hit your back.
You're not supposed to turn the other cheek.
unidentified
You came at me after you bad.
bryson gray
No, I mean, biblically, fun fact: the Bible actually says if a woman tries to stop two men from fighting by kicking one in the balls, then that's a sin.
sarah stock
Wait, where does the Bible say that?
bryson gray
Look it up.
I promise.
zach bonfilio
I think you're in the first comment.
bryson gray
It's the videos of Deuteronomy.
zach bonfilio
But hold on, how do we do this?
Let's just squat.
Let's just squash it right here.
Let's be fun.
bryson gray
It's behind me.
The only thing I will say is I hit you three times and you did kick me my balls.
And then you admitted you did it in the video, and then you say it's a street fight.
zach bonfilio
Kicking you in the balls, man.
bryson gray
No, listen.
In the video, you say it's a street fight.
I don't care.
I'll do it again.
zach bonfilio
I said I would.
Listen, I put my foot on your thigh.
If you look, I used to train a little bit of a little bit of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
When somebody's in a mount, you put your foot on their thigh, which is where I put my foot.
You immediately go, my balls, and you ran away.
unidentified
And I said, and then I told you, hey, I don't know.
zach bonfilio
I don't know who lied to you.
I don't know who lied to you about these rules, these rules that I gave you.
bryson gray
It was your friend that gave me a fancy.
zach bonfilio
Well, he is a lying son of a bitch because I told him as soon as he shows up, it's on site.
And I'm not, I don't have rules in street fights.
bryson gray
He said he's a street fight.
He said he talked to you.
He said, No dirty problems.
zach bonfilio
I just wanted to, they wanted us to fight.
elijah schaffer
That's why.
Let me play this real fast.
I think I have the video here.
We'll just let the audience decide and then we'll squash it.
This is this.
So this is what happened.
This is what happened.
This was unfortunately the worst thing to happen since October 7th.
So check this out.
Here we go.
zach bonfilio
That gravel sucks.
All right, there's the punch.
unidentified
Boom.
bryson gray
You did not hit me at all.
zach bonfilio
And I slipped.
There's one punch.
You missed.
You missed.
bryson gray
Three.
zach bonfilio
You missed again.
unidentified
What?
zach bonfilio
Alma balls.
elijah schaffer
Alma balls.
bryson gray
Okay, and then you ran away.
unidentified
No, no, no.
Like, first off, I got up because slow the video down.
zach bonfilio
You hit me one time.
bryson gray
One time.
zach bonfilio
You hit me one time.
bryson gray
Slow the video down.
zach bonfilio
I promise.
On hand to God, Harvey, hand to God.
You hit me one time.
Right there.
bryson gray
Listen, anybody can watch it.
So if you want to think that that's fine.
zach bonfilio
I'll do that.
bryson gray
At the point, since I knew we were fighting on gravel and I knew that was that was like that kind of slow.
If y'all notice, I didn't even throw a punch for the first 15 seconds because I knew that this is dumb.
So I'm just letting him punch and back because I box for real.
So I'm backing up, just letting him punch me.
But then I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you one piece of credit.
If you would have got me with that suplex, I thought you would have won the fight.
zach bonfilio
When you actually tried it, I shouldn't have said it.
bryson gray
It was a bad attempt because we were on gravel and I just pushed, I just pushed forward with a half bike.
elijah schaffer
Let me jump in here and say this real quick.
So I'd say I'm ordering this beef officially squashed.
I've been in this industry for a very long time.
People write very, very, very mean things.
People hit me.
I've been, you know, had my skull cracked.
I've been, you know, punched in the face by some very, very educated engineers, scholars, and astronauts in this country.
So I'm very aware.
Sometimes you just got to let it all go.
So I'm going to absolve you guys.
There's a new Pope in office.
So you guys are absolved of your beef.
And that being said, congratulations.
You did it here.
John Miller.
Let's just jump into your definition of that of the woke right.
Because I would say, like, I'm not coming here with an opinion, but if there's anybody on the panel that would probably be defined as woke right, I know James Lindsey and them like to like screenshot my tweets and always put me as like the CEO of the woke right or something like that.
But honestly, I'm pretty tamed on the internet compared to John.
John, what is the woke right?
And like, do you believe in it?
Because you just put up a picture of an IDF woman holding a gun, laying down with a large ass, and you said something like, this is why they get ripped or something?
What was that?
I mean, these are pretty intense.
jon miller
I didn't say this is why they woke right.
elijah schaffer
What did you say?
It was pretty crazy.
I even saw this.
jon miller
Are they surprised?
Are they surprised at Hamas?
You know, I'm going to, I'm with Sarah.
I'm going to own the badge of woke right.
I think it sounds pretty cool.
If woke means that you are capable of seeing color, if woke means that you are conscious of racialness and it means that you're not just, oh, we're a colorblind society.
I don't see color.
I'm incapable of seeing color.
Then call me woke right.
I think it sounds pretty badass.
I'm not humiliated by the term.
And if we have to reset up all these phony terms, then I'll accept the term of woke right.
sarah stock
Yeah, but also it's not even being used like just for like racial things.
I mean, I get called woke right because I say like, I don't think women should like go to work if they have like a newborn baby or something like that.
unidentified
Or like, or if I say that's not woke, that's, yeah, that's not woke.
zach bonfilio
That's the thing.
People are using it wrong and they're, they're tying it into Christian nationalists.
They're tying it into Christian fundamentalists, traditional people.
It's not like that.
It's what I said.
If it's identity politics where everything's based off of race and you have a victimhood mentality and you're acting exactly like the left, but see, the left uses racism over and over again.
Everything's racist.
Right.
And then the woke right will be basically doing the same thing with the Jewish people where it's like everything's everything you can't you can't criticize the Jews.
It's like it's all you people do.
unidentified
You know, I have not so what would you say to the Jews?
jon miller
You know, every time, are they woke right too?
The people are saying, oh, the red Nike poster, that's anti-Semitic.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, that's anti-Semitic.
bryson gray
I say, yeah, that's what I mean.
If we're going to use the term woke right and define it, how everybody seems to agree to define it, me personally, and of course, I'm not saying it's disrespectful.
I'm just an honest person.
I would consider every single person on this panel outside of me as woke right.
Because every time somebody says something that's like slightly criticized, like criticizing white people nowadays is anti-white, anti-white.
It's the same way that liberal black people have been using the term racist for the past like five years.
I see it.
Like somebody said, I'm anti-white as if I'm not the person that gave Nick Fuentes the information to understand that he was being plotted against against spending money on.
I was one of the first mainstream influencers to defend any of these pro-white accounts in the first place.
A lot to say for you, a lot to say for himself, DN me, because I was more open about it before even he was.
So I've always been a person champion of free speech and everybody on here understands this because I get attacked for being friends with Nick Fuentes all the time.
So when I get called anti-white, because I don't echo like, no disrespect, borderline narratives, I think that's pretty much woke right.
elijah schaffer
So let me ask you guys something kind of important here.
Since you guys are saying that it's this ethnic tribalism, you know, a lot of what critics point out towards people like Lindsey Peterson, Seth Dillon, Joel Berry, and Misfit, I probably, I wouldn't count you as actually what they define as woke right.
But kind of going on Bryson's identification, people say that there's a contradiction where there's a lot of focus on, you know, ending anti-Semitism at the major universities, particularly, you know, pushing for a Zionist sort of ethno-Jewish state.
And they say that a lot of these people that are pushing this woke right anti-identity politics are anti-white because they are not anti-identity politics for Jewish people, but they are against it for white people.
I want to go to Bryson on this because Bryson is in a interesting ideological position, meaning you're a Christian.
I know you are.
You do live out the tenets of God way better than myself or anybody does that I really know.
At the same time, you do respect, you said, like Levitical law to an extent.
I'm not putting words into your mouth.
So like, what do you make of that then?
The people that defend Jews and are really care about Israel and an ethno-state, are they hypocrites?
Are they woke right or where would you put that?
bryson gray
If anybody, if every time somebody criticizes anything about Jews or the word Israel, if you, if you scream anti-Semitic every time somebody does that, then I mean, just logically speaking, you have to be.
You're just like the people that scream anti-white at everything.
You're just like the people that scream racism at everything.
And there's a few accounts, I'm not going to say their name on Twitter that they don't mind, they don't mind the Israel tribalism, like the Zionist tribalism.
They don't mind everybody coming together to defend to defend Jewish people.
But sometimes I'll see those same people, though, in your comment sections agreeing with some of the stuff that you say about black people.
And it's like, yeah, it's hypocritical.
So yes, everybody like that.
I'm very consistent.
Anybody who thinks like that and does it in a hypocritical way, I would have to, if we're going to define it in a certain way, I would call you woke right.
elijah schaffer
Wait, I talk about black people on my Twitter.
I'm just kidding.
Okay.
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All right, Misfit, I do want to go to you because this is kind of interesting with you and with you and John and Sarah.
You know, like leaving my personal opinion out of it, you obviously have made some very viral videos that people want to check it out, where you have really called out anti-Semitism, not BS anti-Semitism, where you're not saying, you know, people pick up a rock and they find anti-Semitism under it.
You've said, hey, you know, somebody needs to stand up against this stuff for real.
And you've been jeered at, you've been mocked by some people on the right, probably targeted in some ways.
I don't know the full extent, but you've sort of doubled down, tripled down.
And it doesn't look like you're getting a lot of monetary value from it.
So it seems to be a really true belief, something that you stand on.
What do you make of that about like if we're rejecting tribalism like Colin Wright said, right?
You know, I think he said that I reject either, right?
Nobody can be tribal.
What do you make about this sort of modern Judaistic Zionist tribalism that seems to be so prevalent on the right?
How do you justify that?
zach bonfilio
Well, first of all, there is a lot of hypocrisy in the pro-Zionist movement, right?
Where they discream everything's anti-Semitism.
I don't do that.
I don't really even try.
I try not to use the word anti-Semitism because of what I just told you about with right identity politics, where you overuse a word and you kill it, just like the left used with racism.
I say that there are Jew haters out there who are emulating a lot of, you know, and espousing a lot of the ideals of like 1930s Germany.
And I see it happening in America where the tribe that's coming together is really having this visceral hatred towards a group of people.
I'm a Zionist in the theological sense, right?
So my quote, Zionism, it's not modern Zionism from Theodore Herzl.
It's that Genesis 12, 1 through 3, bless thee that bless them, Romans 11, 2, and all these other passages in the Bible that sort of just validate the Abrahamic covenant.
unidentified
Okay.
zach bonfilio
So as a Christian, I support the land of Israel.
I support the Jewish people.
There are other people who are playing identity politics with this on both sides.
And I've sort of remained in the true sense of this is a mandate to me from my creator, right?
Like protect and stand up for the Jewish people.
I also don't like the fact that there's this alignment, I could say, with the radical Islam side.
It seems like a lot of these anti-Jewish people, they're anti-Zionist people or whatever, they seem to have a lack of criticism for radical Islam, the same people that chant death to America and want to cut your head off, right?
They think the enemy of my enemy is my friend and my enemy is Israel.
So I think it's a very dangerous and slippery slope to get into ignoring the dangers of the people that literally chant.
First, we come for the Saturday people, which is the Jews.
Then we come for the Sunday people, which is the Christians.
Radical Islam hates us, all of us.
Everyone in this panel, they would cut your head off in a second.
They don't like you.
They are not your friend.
And just because you feel a certain way about Jews or the Israeli government, I don't talk about the Israeli government.
I don't talk about the modern state of Israel.
I am doing a theological Zionist perspective towards defending Jewish people because I think that it's exactly how we ended up with the Holocaust.
That's where I actually come from.
So in that regard, I don't fit into that little clique.
And I call out my own side.
I say that these anti-Semitism laws that they're trying to push to the Trump administration, they're stupid.
You don't silence speech.
Like that's ridiculous, right?
So I am kind of in alignment with a lot of the people that disagree with me in that regard.
I don't have this loyalty to another nation.
I'm America first.
I'm a constitutionalist.
I think free speech is free speech.
So if you want to hate Jews and if you want to make a sign that says the Jews and Dave Portnoy's bar, go ahead.
You should still be fired for it.
sarah stock
Okay, I feel like you're kind of downplaying your Zionism a little bit, though, because I mean, I've seen you post.
I've seen you post things like you've been saying things like, I don't care how many children die.
None of us actually care about the kids.
That is pretty.
Yes, you did.
zach bonfilio
No, I didn't.
I said I'm okay with as many dead children.
unidentified
Oh, you're okay with as many children dying.
sarah stock
That's pretty.
zach bonfilio
The same way I'm okay with as many dead German children in Operation Gomorrah when they dropped 9,000 tons of bombs on Hamburg, Germany.
It's a war.
You should be okay with it.
We shouldn't be sitting there with this virtue signaling.
oh my god, this is the only time in history that civilians have died in a conflict.
And I'm only going to be upset about this one.
I'm not upset about the Uyghurs.
I'm not upset about the Christians in the Congo getting slaughtered.
I'm not upset about, where the hell is your St. Jude's children researcher?
sarah stock
Okay, but the difference is, but the difference is no one's actually defending people dying in the Congo.
Like, but there are people actually defending kids getting God's people.
So that's the reason people get upset about it.
zach bonfilio
But they're also not fawning this fake outrage that I'm seeing constantly about the innocent Palestinian children.
Israel is doing what every other country has done in any conflict when they get attacked.
They're fighting back.
Hamas is standing behind children hiding their weapons in hospitals and hiding their military installations in schools.
sarah stock
Okay, so I call you out for a second.
You immediately start defending like radical Zionism and stuff.
So this is what I'm saying.
I'm just like making a point.
Like you're kind of like downplaying your Zionism a bit.
zach bonfilio
I'm not downplaying it.
It's a theological Zionism.
It's a mandate.
elijah schaffer
Can I read the tweet real fast?
I just want to read the tweet because this was a pretty, this was pretty crazy.
zach bonfilio
And by the way, the context, by the way, for this is also, it's in response to a question.
So please don't.
elijah schaffer
Okay, yeah, yeah.
I'll read that too.
But just to clarify for future debates, guys, at no point do I ever bring up people's personal lives or things that are private, only things that they've posted.
And also one thing that's off limits because people will like, you know, criticize the debate after.
Even if something's public about someone's life, but they didn't release it themselves, we don't bring that stuff up on debates.
And that's just because people criticize things.
So with Misfit, you know, people can say about him, Bryson, or Sarah, or John, but it's not, that's not the goal of these debates is to get their personal lives or the drama.
So listen to this.
He tweeted this on sometime.
He said, I'm okay with as many dead kids as it takes to stop Hamas.
You people sound like woke leftists trying to make an emotional argument so you can argue from a position of moral superiority.
You might as well put a rainbow flag and pronouns in your bio.
If you try to emotionally blackmail me, I will pull your card.
Literally, every single Palestinian can die if that's what it takes to save Israel.
How many kids were in Sodom and Gomorrah?
God didn't give a f about how many because the number of people who are righteous was zero.
What about the firstborn of the children in Egypt?
How many children died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
All of them.
That's my acceptable cost.
Palestinians raped and murdered 1,200 innocent people, took Americans hostage, them and their whole bloodline.
You f ⁇ ing don't give a f about all the tragedies of the world until it's the people who chant death to America.
them and you too.
By the way, in response to this, Cernovich said, yes, Dave Smith frustrates them because he will meet them where they are.
You said killing kids is acceptable.
How many dead kids are you okay with?
They panic asking such questions is against the rules.
You're supposed to let everyone repeat clichés back and forth.
Okay, what do you mean by that, Misfit?
Because I want to hear you and John's response to that too, and Sarah's.
zach bonfilio
What I mean by pull your card is this is a tactic that people like Dave Smith and Chernovic use where they just keep on put this struggle session where it's like, how many kids are you okay with?
How many kids?
And I'll pull your card.
I'll just say all of them, right?
Like, cause, because honestly, I am.
I'm okay with it.
It's not my, it's not my country.
I have no connection to those people.
I don't have a religious mandate from God.
sarah stock
Wait, is Israel your country?
zach bonfilio
Israel, I have a religious mandate from God to bless those people, and they are not Palestinians.
So no, I have no emotional connection to the children of Palestine.
sarah stock
And so you are saying, but you are saying then that you do have an emotional connection to the people of Israel.
I don't really have an emotional connection to either.
So I'm able to look at this logically and just say, okay, I think they're killing too many kids.
But then you're trying to say that me calling out, what?
What does that have to do with anything?
zach bonfilio
Genesis 12, 3.
If you don't understand that.
sarah stock
Yeah.
So Catholic, so Catholics believe that Israel is like now the church.
zach bonfilio
We don't believe that there's like a special you're talking about replacement theology.
bryson gray
I just want to say something from a, from a biblical perspective.
Misfit Patriot is right and wrong.
But if you read Romans 9, 10, and 11, that just flats out debunked, like there's a new Israel replacement, but salvation did come to the Gentiles because the children of Israel were being disobedient.
So Paul says verbatim between Romans 9 and 11 that he that the salvation came to the Gentiles to make the Jews jealous so that the remnant of Israel will still come back into the fold.
Matter of fact, if you read Romans 9, 10, and 11, it literally tells the Gentiles who got grafted into the root to not be arrogant towards the tree, towards the towards the tree, which is talking about Israel.
Now, the only correction I want to make on Misfit, though, is when you say, when it says to bless Israel, remember, this is talking about biblical Israel, people that are obedient to God.
If the current state of Israel was obedient to God and places, there's a few cities there that wouldn't even exist because they're so.
zach bonfilio
I agree with that.
They become more secular.
And I think that's what I'm saying.
bryson gray
Which means they're not God people, which means that biblical people.
sarah stock
It's not they become more secular.
Like if you're a, if you're like a Talmudic, how do you say Talmudic Jew?
Like you're a Talmudic Jew.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, that's very true.
sarah stock
You're not, they rejected Christ, so they're not part of it anymore.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but you have to accept Christ.
The Talmud is really, it's just a, it's low-hanging fruit.
It's a no, what?
sarah stock
I'm not even what?
zach bonfilio
Well, no, I'm saying a Talmudic Jew.
It's not, it's like, it's not a bad thing.
sarah stock
That's what all Jews are.
That's what Jews are after Jesus.
Yeah.
bryson gray
No, they're not.
Ethiopian Jews don't believe in a Talmud, by the way.
elijah schaffer
They're probably talking about more Ashkenazi or like the ones that are the primary makeup, Sephardic Ashkenazi.
But John, you were jumping in this too.
You know, just throwing up that verse, you know, Galatians 3:28, there's neither Jew nor Greek, right?
I mean, that's sort of this, this, this, there's a lot of language and etymology that you go through that kind of suggests different opinions.
And this is not, this is not something that is a niche topic that let's just say Bryson and Misfit, John and Sarah disagree with to tell people who are not Christian, right?
We have a lot of non-Christian people who watch this show.
This is actually institutionally a heavily divisive topic between evangelicals, the Orthodox, the Catholics.
Like this is not just like soteriological in terms of the end times.
This sometimes is almost like a salvation-based argument of really who has God's blessing?
John, but you were like, no, no, you put up your hand and people are going to ask me, why did we have a white man defending or talking about Wilkright?
John Miller is the white man in this argument.
So go ahead.
Go ahead, man.
unidentified
Well, all I'll say is to use Genesis: if you bless Israel, girl's gonna bless you.
jon miller
You know, you hear that a lot at the megachurches from the black people.
unidentified
You bless Israel, girl's gonna bless you.
jon miller
And it's just total nonsense theology because the entire Old Testament is how the Israelites, humanity screwed up.
And God's like, okay, well, this was a two-ended covenant.
You said you're going to worship me.
You said you're going to love me.
You said you're going to be faithful.
And you're not doing this.
So this isn't going to work.
And it's just the entire Old Testament is God getting mad at them and humanity screwing up and the Israelites screwing up.
And finally, in the New Testament, God's like, okay, this is your final shot.
I'm going to send my only son, Jesus Christ, to save your ass because you guys are so bad at this that I'm going to have to send my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to save you.
And so finally, he sends Jesus Christ, Jesus, lives as an example for all these people of how to live.
And then what do the Jews do?
They actually literally execute him.
They hang him on the cross and they kill him.
zach bonfilio
All of them?
unidentified
Yes, all of them.
zach bonfilio
Every single Jew.
Every single Jew, including you.
It wasn't just Jesus.
jon miller
You were there and you killed him.
zach bonfilio
You know what?
jon miller
Because of the line, let his blood be on us and our progeny.
So it literally was you because they insisted.
They said, oh, I don't want to blame all of you.
And then they came and they said, okay, well, we are going to insist that his blood is on the hands of all of our, of all of our progeny.
So that would include modern day Jews.
zach bonfilio
I can debunk the replacement theology argument with one simple question.
Is God omnipotent, right?
Does he know everything?
So he doesn't make mistakes.
He wouldn't make a covenant that is described as an everlasting covenant.
And I don't know if you know what everlasting means.
It means forever in Genesis 12, 15, 17.
It's reaffirmed in 11, 2.
God knows everything.
So he can't make a covenant.
He's like, by the way, if you guys around, I'm going to take it back.
Because he would have just said, if you around, I'll take it back.
elijah schaffer
I don't think God would have said, if you around, just to.
zach bonfilio
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
I don't think it's like that.
zach bonfilio
I don't think I would have put it that way.
Yeah.
bryson gray
He did kind of say that, though, in Jeremiah 31 where it prophesies of the new covenant.
The only problem is that new covenant was specifically for still Israel.
And I just want to read Romans 11, 17.
I think Elijah quoted Galatians where it says there's neither Jew nor Greek.
That's just saying that God will show no partiality and judgment.
That does not mean that there is literally no difference between the two because clearly he also says that there is no male and female.
sarah stock
Yeah, so clearly.
bryson gray
Yeah.
So but I do want to read Romans 11, start at verse 17, just to just keep things biblical.
But if some of the branches were broken off, speaking about the Jews, and you being a wild olive, speaking about the Gentiles, were grafted in among them and became partakers with them of the rich roots of the olive tree, do not be arrogant towards the branches.
But if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, this is funny because Paul already has this argument, even in a rhetorical fashion.
You will say then, branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.
Quite right.
You're right.
They were broken off of their unbelief, but you stand by your faith.
Do not be conceited, but fear.
Because if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
See then the kindness and severity of God to those who fail, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in his kindness, for otherwise you too will be cut off.
And then he says they are also going to be grafted back in when they're obedient to God.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
bryson gray
But also just one more point because she asked me, Sarah asked me earlier for the scripture about the woman kicking the man in the balls during a fight.
It's Deuteronomy 20.
It's Deuteronomy 25.
Deuteronomy 25, verses 11 to 12.
It says, if two men, a man and his countrymen, are struggling together, meaning fighting, and the wife of one comes near to save her husband from the hand of the one who was hitting him, and she reaches out with her hand and seizes that man's genitals, then you shall cut off her hand.
You shall not show any pity.
sarah stock
That's a little wild.
elijah schaffer
Well, that's almost as good as Ezekiel 23, 20, which said, She remembered her lover with the penis like a donkey and a flood of semen like a horse.
So she was with an NBA player.
That's crazy.
Good for her, right?
unidentified
All right.
elijah schaffer
Let me, let me, as we're talking about that, I do want to ask you, Miss Fitz, this is actually true.
This is not, again, I'm not going to go into whatever people say about you on the internet, but I actually want to clarify.
I have been very confused.
A lot of people say that you are Jewish.
This is not even a pejorative.
People do use that in a negative way.
I'm not using that here.
And some people say, you know, your mother or your grandma was Jewish and then you converted to Christianity.
I know that Jewish is a weird question because it's like an ethnicity and a religion.
Can you clarify that?
And also, Bryson, too.
Because you follow Levitical law or like what where you consider yourself?
zach bonfilio
It's a fake screenshot.
Somebody took a comment that I made and they photoshopped me saying something that I never said, which was my mother's Jewish.
I've never said that.
My mother's Irish Catholic.
I'm half Italian, half Irish.
So I got Roman Catholic on my dad's side, Irish Catholic on my mother's side.
You can trace my ancestry all the way back to, you know, Ireland and Italy.
Never had any Ethnic relation to Jews.
It's just a made-up screenshot that, you know, your haters, and this is again tying it back into the woke, right?
Where the woke left did similar things like this to me way back when I was going at them on TikTok back in the day.
It's fake news.
It's literally, they just take whatever they can get, they flood, they flood you with it.
And I think that the reason is to discredit me somehow.
Like if I was Jewish, like that would make some type of like invalid, like it would invalidate my arguments.
And I think the reason they do that is because I'm a Christian MAGA supporting conservative who's standing up for Israel.
And there's a lot of people again, this doesn't apply to everybody who's you know Christian.
It's woke right.
There's a lot of people in that movement that don't want to see somebody like me, a Christian MAGA person defending Israel because they want to control the narrative that that MAGA doesn't support Israel.
So I think that's why they did it.
sarah stock
I think we all know that MAGA supports Israel.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, no, you're right.
I mean, but there is a lot of people that call themselves MAGA.
You know, you got the Christ is king, or I call it Christ for clicks crew who does not.
You know, they like, you know, you got the people who get into these mini cults of Christian nationalism and they want there to be a divide between Israel and America.
And I don't see how that's beneficial to America.
You know, you guys can run with the conspiracy theorists of AIPAC controls Congress.
And it's like, well, the National Association of Realtors must control the wildfires then because they're number one and APAC is number 20 in donations.
They're 199th in lobbying.
I don't like PACs, by the way.
I'm not defending PACs.
I'm not defending the nation of Israel.
They have corruption in their government.
You have 5% of the that you're talking about has a little bit of truth to it.
The other 95% is made up bullshit, like my mother's Jewish.
So that's the thing.
sarah stock
Okay, I have a question about your theology because you're, are you saying that, like, are you Catholic or are you not?
zach bonfilio
I was raised in the Catholic Church.
I was confirmed.
I went to, I was baptized Catholic.
I went to Italy and saw Pope John Paul.
I left the Catholic Church, like as a practicing Catholic that used to go to Catholic Mass when I noticed that they were getting into politics and scandals, you know, with the priests touching little kids and covering it up, and the new Pope Francis being, you know, diving into politics.
I don't, I don't want basically a liberal institution to represent my faith.
So I'm Catholic because I'm Catholic.
If you're baptized Catholic, the Catholic Church recognizes you as Catholic for life.
sarah stock
Okay, but you're saying that you don't adhere to Catholic doctrine, though.
zach bonfilio
I still, you know, say the Rosary.
You can still pray to Mary.
I still believe in all of the things.
I just, the church itself is something I walk away from.
So I guess you could closely say that I'm more Protestant, but I just follow Jesus.
That's it.
Bible, Jesus.
I go to a non-denominational church because I feel like it's a good place to go and worship.
It has nothing to do with any tribe.
I think the Catholic Church has failed and I don't want to support it.
unidentified
So I'm, I've walked in.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, don't say you're Catholic then because I can say whatever the I want.
That's the thing.
Everyone tells me, don't lie.
Don't say you're just lying.
jon miller
Yeah, you can say whatever the you want, but it doesn't make it.
zach bonfilio
I'm true.
Exactly.
I'm a non-practice.
I'm a non-practicing Catholic.
That's what you could call it.
elijah schaffer
It's like a burger king of Christianity.
sarah stock
If you leave the Catholic Church, then you're not Catholic anymore.
Even if you're baptized, it's not holy.
zach bonfilio
If you say it's not, what is a non-practicing Catholic?
sarah stock
Not a Catholic.
Like, yeah.
zach bonfilio
It's just a non-practic.
It's just a non-practicing Catholic.
That's what they call them.
sarah stock
It's not a Catholic.
zach bonfilio
I'm a Christian.
elijah schaffer
John, you're Catholic, John, right?
We'll weigh in on this.
jon miller
Yes, I am a Catholic.
And if you're saying that the Catholic Church has failed and the Catholic Church doesn't know what it's talking about, then you're not a Catholic.
I mean, it's plain and simple.
You could have been baptized.
sarah stock
Just say you're not a Catholic.
It's okay.
bryson gray
So I'm just saying I'm not a Catholic.
jon miller
I rejected the Catholic Church and I walked away from the Catholic Church.
Just say that.
But this whole Jewish life.
zach bonfilio
I haven't walked away.
I haven't walked away from the religion, though.
So why would I lie?
sarah stock
But you part of the religion is going to mass.
zach bonfilio
Yeah.
sarah stock
So yes, you have.
zach bonfilio
You can argue that with God.
sarah stock
That's not me.
That's just like a requirement.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but you see, what you're trying to do is you're saying a non-practicing Catholic, which is a lot of Catholics, which is what I am, should stop calling themselves a Catholic, even though Catholic doctrine is if you are baptized Catholic, the church, the Catholic Church, recognizes you as Catholic for life.
So if they're not leaving me, I'm not leaving.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to say that.
sarah stock
Okay, do you think if you're like baptized Catholic and then you converted to Islam, then you're like still Catholic?
zach bonfilio
No, you'd have to convert.
And yeah, and the Catholic Church.
sarah stock
So you just converted to being non-denominational.
zach bonfilio
You're not Catholic.
I'm not even non-dominational.
I just go to that church.
Wherever two or more may gather is the church.
sarah stock
So that's not Catholic doctrine either.
elijah schaffer
Quick question, though, because I have a question.
sarah stock
It's okay, but just admit you're not Catholic.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, let me ask you a question on that.
zach bonfilio
I'm not going to let you tone police what I say.
sarah stock
That's not tone police.
I'm just saying that you're lying.
zach bonfilio
No, you're saying that I'm not in your cult, so I should leave.
I'm not.
sarah stock
So you just called the Catholic Church a cult, and then you're mad that I'm saying you're not Catholic.
unidentified
But I'm still a Catholic.
zach bonfilio
No, I'm not in your cult.
elijah schaffer
Yes, thank you.
sarah stock
You're not in my cult.
That's the Catholic Church.
zach bonfilio
All right.
I don't think that you're a Catholic because you don't support Israel, right?
You're ignoring Genesis.
You're ignoring the Abrahamic covenant.
sarah stock
Catholics don't believe in dispensationalism.
zach bonfilio
You practice replacement theology and call yourself a Catholic.
So I could start telling you, stop calling yourself a Catholic, but I don't do that.
I just accept that you can call yourself whatever the f ⁇ you want.
And in the end, God says that you're going to be able to do that.
elijah schaffer
Can someone drop that for a second?
Does the Catholic Church require you to believe in dispensation?
sarah stock
No, it does not.
Dispensationalism is an evangelical belief that basically came around the past 200 years.
zach bonfilio
So you ignore the Bible.
sarah stock
The Catholic Church does not have you interpret Bible verses by yourself.
That is a Protestant belief.
You're a Protestant.
That's solo scripture us.
elijah schaffer
Bryson, come in here.
jon miller
But there's the Abrahamic covenant.
Then there's the Mosaic covenant, which is very clear in terms of, okay, you have to believe in me.
You have to have faith in me.
You have to do what I say.
That's the Mosaic covenant.
zach bonfilio
And then Jesus Christ.
jon miller
You're acting like Jesus Christ.
You're citing Genesis and acting like that's the only thing that happened.
There's an entire Old Testament, an entire New Testament, where God sends his Son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins because humanity is screwing up so much.
And you act like none of that actually happened.
elijah schaffer
Hold for a second.
Let me hear Bryson.
Bryson didn't tag in.
And I want to hear that because, again, to reiterate, if you're just coming in right now in the premiere, Bryson follows some of the Old Testament law, but identifies as a Christian.
So let me hear what you have to say on that.
bryson gray
Well, I don't care if people call me a Jew.
I am definitely of Israel because I follow a Jew and Jesus was a Jew.
And I know unlike the all-right community, they say he wasn't a Jew.
He was Judean.
And it's funny how a lot of people don't understand how dumb that argument is.
Jew comes from the term Yehudai, which literally just means from the kingdom of Judah.
And everybody knows that Jesus is from that kingdom since we call him the lion of Judah and is in his bloodline.
So just objectively speaking, he's a Jew.
Now, he's not a Talmudic Jew because that's who he argued with.
Now, with that being said, I follow the all applicable laws from the same law of Moses because there is no such thing as a new law.
Even the two most important commandments Jesus gave you in Matthew 22 are from the law of Moses.
So I follow the things Jesus told me to follow.
I follow the things that every single apostle followed, even post-Jesus' resurrection.
So, I mean, I agree with both sides in this case.
Solar scriptura is in the Bible when Paul was trying to, if anybody just read the book of Acts, even though it's their favorite book, they don't really read it.
If anybody read it in the book, when Paul was trying to convince the Jews to believe in Jesus the Messiah, he did it strictly using the scriptures.
I mean, just every single time.
I mean, it's just right there.
It says it flat out.
And then in 1 Corinthians chapter 4, verse 6, it says, do not think of man beyond that which is written.
And if you read the context in the first chapters before chapter 4, Paul is quite literally telling you things that was written in every single time he's quoting the Old Testament.
So he's telling you what Jesus already called the word of God in John chapter 10, verse 34.
And he's telling you, do not think of man beyond that which is written because people get cocky and puffed up with confidence.
So, and then Sarah says something that a lot of Catholics say, that we don't just interpret the Bible with our own personal interpretation.
And that's a cool thing for her to say.
And that's what Catholics believe.
And I like that they have unity on this issue.
But again, this is not, this is not really biblical either.
If something is a metaphor or a riddle in the scriptures or a parable in the scriptures, it's quite literally called a parable.
And the parable was nine times out of 10 explained, unless it's a prophecy from Daniel or a prophecy from Isaiah or a prophecy in Revelation or a prophecy in Matthew 24.
Outside of that, Jesus pretty much spoke in quite simple terms.
And the only reason it gets complex is when people, man, and I believe partially the Catholic Church, but all Protestants also, they all try to create their own Build-A-Bear, Build-A-Bear theology.
unidentified
So you nailed it.
sarah stock
I'm not going to debate Sola Scriptura, but yeah, the point I was making is just that Catholics do not believe in Sola Scriptura.
Obviously, Misfit does.
So I'm just like using that to prove like you're not a Catholic.
zach bonfilio
Yeah.
No, I could say you're not a Catholic because of your beliefs.
This is the problem.
You are trying to say that I am not something that the Roman Catholic Church thinks I am, right?
So if you, if you can grock this, right?
Say, if you're baptized Catholic, does the church consider you a Catholic?
They will say yes.
So I'm only a Catholic because the church considers me a Catholic, right?
I don't understand any other way to say this to you.
elijah schaffer
All right, but let me let me bring this in.
I want to bring this around because we got to get back into a little bit of these topics here, which I think is actually really important talking about Catholicism.
We can get back to this.
When we jump into this, I want to talk a little bit about tribalism and whether or not whites not only have the right to collectivize, whether that's good for the country.
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Sorry, real fast, I'll end the last statement here.
Did you grok it?
What did it say?
Did you check it out?
sarah stock
No, wait, what?
elijah schaffer
Oh, do when you're can you leave, once you're baptized, can you leave the Catholic Church?
We'll get back to that.
All right, I'm going to change the subject here, and I want to get into this.
We're going to go to John Miller first.
Obviously, we know that the world is a very tribal place.
Everybody has a tribe.
People call their families their tribe.
People call their church their tribe.
In fact, God had divided people, if you believe in the biblical worldview after the Tower of Babel, into their own languages and tribes.
In fact, almost the entire Old Testament is a historical context, watching a lineage be preserved.
God keeping people together.
There were genocides that were God ordained.
There were great battles.
There were many fights.
There was betrayal.
There was adultery.
There was murder.
There was fornication.
There was even incest sort of involved in all these stories.
But yet God still stayed true and he kept the lineage that you could have this Abrahamic line down to Jesus.
That being said today, a lot of Christians on the right seem to be very opposed to racial tribalism, particularly of white people.
So my question to you is: do you think, John, that white people have distinct interests and should they be allowed to collectivize in order to defend them politically and socially?
Or does that violate both American values and or Christian values?
It could be either or both.
I don't know what you're going to hear your take on that.
jon miller
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the entire world, especially certainly the entire country, has been against white people and has been mobilizing against white people.
You saw that everything from OJ Simpson to Carmelo Anthony, we've seen the entire country mobilize and tell white people, you can't do this, you can't do that.
We're going to make it harder for you to get into university.
We're going to make it harder for you to actually say your voice and protest.
And then all of a sudden, white people actually do let their voices be heard, as we saw with the Shiloh Hendrix situation.
And conservatives, black conservatives specifically, want to say, you can't do that.
elijah schaffer
You can't do that.
jon miller
You can't actually band with your tribe and let your voice be heard.
You actually have to just sit back and take it.
And I think that's ridiculous.
I understand that a lot of people want to create this hypothetical world where, you know, we don't see color.
We don't see color.
We don't see race.
We're just a kumbaya world, but that's not the way it is.
And the Carmelo Anthony situation showed that.
Carmelo Anthony went and killed Austin Metcalf in cold blood and raised half a million dollars.
Okay.
And the entire world was fine with that.
The entire country was fine with that.
And then the exact opposite happens.
And then people want to say, oh, well, we don't see color.
We don't believe in this sort of tribalism.
The reality is that tribalism is real.
It's happening.
And you can either respond by saying, oh, well, you know, we don't see this kind of thing.
We don't see color.
Or you can respond by saying, we're going to band with our people.
We've been under attack for a while now.
So, you know, it's the black conservatives thing is hilarious to me.
You know, you have a people.
You have a people who are unable to conceptualize a morning in which they did not have breakfast.
But weirdly, They're able to conceptualize a world in which no one sees color, in which there is no tribal warfare, in which there is no, there is no racial characterization.
And I think that's ridiculous.
sarah stock
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm not even like naturally like a super tribal person.
Like, I like being friends with everyone, but it's like when you start to realize that everyone else is tribal, it's like you kind of need to be tribal too, just to like be able to protect yourself, basically.
Like, me knowing like I'm going to have kids one day and then I'm going to have grandkids.
When I'm like an old woman, I don't want to be the only white person left in America and my kids to be the only white people left in America when everyone already hates white people.
I just think it's going to be worse when we're a minority.
And I just like it just like puts you in a more vulnerable state when you don't have a single country in the world that you are a majority in that you can go to.
And that's, we're clearly like reaching that point.
So like you literally do need to collectivize and see color to stop that from happening.
It's just like protect you and your descendants.
elijah schaffer
Bryson, I want to hear you on this because obviously you're not afraid of controversy.
Not a bad one.
You're not afraid of combating, I should say, controversial topics.
And I think you always confuse me because I like sometimes I never know what you're going to say.
And then you take a different approach than I would have expected.
So to kind of like even add a little more to that, you know, this, this, obviously, this tribalism, I know we would all agree that a lot of a lot of black people are very tribal.
Obviously, we saw BLM.
These things are very true.
You might be a little bit of an outlier in some regard.
I don't really know what you would define yourself.
But yeah, do white people have distinct interests as a racial group?
And should they be allowed to tribalize and collectivize?
Because that's an interesting thing.
Go ahead.
bryson gray
So this is consistent.
And this is what I mean by like the victim mentality.
This whole white people has never been tribal.
This is nonsense.
This is bullcrap.
I grew up in the South.
All races have always been tribal.
And I've always been against it since day one.
I mean, bro, people think the KKK stopped existing.
I am from High Point, North Carolina.
The KKK White Knights was alive and well.
They did rallies.
They held rallies up for my entire upbringing.
They used to leave manifestos at the barber shops with candy inside, telling us, telling black people why they're so disgusting.
I even have a friend who was a part of this KKK group.
His name is Brandon.
But I mean, now he's not a part of that group.
And now he comes to all of our events because my family, we talk to anybody.
It don't really matter.
My thing is just about consistency.
So I want to respond to a few things that I wrote down, right?
First off, I'll say tribalism is real.
So Exodus 23, 2 literally says it's a sin to follow a crowd, especially when it comes to bearing false witness.
So the problem with how people are being tribal on any side is just right now it's just definitely piping up with, I mean, I'm just flat out say it, white conservatives or white white wingers is because y'all are willing to bear false witness to do it and say that the that the ends justify the means because the whole goal is to create this viewpoint of white tribalism and white solidarity.
And then y'all use the Bible, use the Tower of Babel.
Remember, these are all the same people that God made split up by languages, not by race.
It's by languages because they were trying to build a tower up into heaven.
Now, when people say this thing about, I think Sarah says something about children and family.
Now, I want to show y'all something.
If you go to Numbers 12, this happened in the Bible.
This is what I love about the Bible with everything we do now.
It happened already.
So when Moses was about to marry a Kushite woman, and the Kushite woman in most translations means an Ethiopian woman, because this is like not only a different tribe, this is a different nation altogether.
Miriam and Aaron actually spoke out against Moses for doing such things.
Now, the question is, how did God respond through them doing it?
They said, you shouldn't be, they said, you shouldn't be doing this, Moses.
And God literally cursed them until they begged God to not curse them for simply with the sole purpose of them trying to question something that God had ordained.
So when we say tribalism, yes, you can have tribalism.
I'm a free speech absolutist.
Say what you want, do what you want.
If you want to band together to donate to some trashy woman because she attacked a little kid, that's cool.
But as long as you recognize why you're doing it, acting like that you're doing it because you're trying to stand up for white people.
No, no, no, you already had the tribalism.
You are already biased towards your race.
You're just looking for a symbol or a confirmation to let you know that it's okay to do such a thing.
You're not special.
You're not a victim.
You're not oppressed.
Nobody's not allowing you into places.
None of this is happening.
You're just trying to play a victim because you want to justify your wicked behavior because justifying wickedness is a sin.
That's Proverbs 17:15.
And again, when we talk about tribes in the Bible, yes, these are all tribes in the Bible based on bloodlines.
This is true.
But the only reason you separate them is because people have specific duties in their tribal lines.
But if you look at when he separated Israel and we separated Israel between the southern and the northern tribes, they still had to come back together.
And now they're all able to be called Jews when they only matter to three tribes.
So I can go, but I feel like we're going to go deeper into some other things I've written down before.
But I don't think this is just fake tribalism cope.
And it's honestly demonic when anybody does it, by the way.
So I just want to be clear.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, Misfit.
I mean, you know what's funny is I put up a picture of everyone, and it's hard for me to tell who's hated the most on this panel because it's like, it's like, you know, like the amount of amount of vitriolic hate and dark comments.
zach bonfilio
Okay, I might win.
elijah schaffer
I think so.
I was going to say, you had 3,000 comments where I only had 2,800.
So go ahead and give me your take on that.
zach bonfilio
Bryson nailed it, man.
And you know what the thing is?
Here's the deal: tribes are okay in small doses where it's like, okay, my tribe is my family, my friends, right?
And it has nothing to do with immutable characteristics.
We get into this whole white people.
First of all, you got Clayton Bigsby down on the freaking corner there who's talking about white people.
You don't look white.
All right.
So you're talking about a white tribe.
There's only four real races.
Okay.
There's Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, and Australoid.
All right.
Essentially, white, black, brown, yellow, if you really want to dumb it down.
Every iteration of that, right?
Like you got Nick Fuentes, who's Mexican.
Okay.
unidentified
No, he's not brown.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, I know.
But you're saying he isn't, he isn't some Aryan specimen of Hitler's master race.
Okay.
Everybody is mixed with a lot of different races.
unidentified
And if you want to do this whole white, not everybody's mixed with a lot of different races.
Most people are not mixed race.
zach bonfilio
You said I don't want to be the last white person.
Trust me, you won't be.
Okay.
unidentified
Because we literally are.
sarah stock
I'm not.
I'm obviously being hyperbolic, but yeah, we literally are like our population is going down.
Like it's declining very quickly.
zach bonfilio
But that's the thing.
Who cares?
All right.
sarah stock
Like, well, I just said why I care because if you're the only white person in the country, there's no because every because every other race has a country.
unidentified
Why do you think that Jews want their own country because they're a minority in every other country?
sarah stock
And you support that.
zach bonfilio
What?
sarah stock
You support Jews having an ethno state so they have somewhere safe to go.
unidentified
Yes, you do.
sarah stock
And you're tribal when it comes to Jews, but not white people.
zach bonfilio
I'm not tribal when it comes to Jews.
Like I said, I'm practicing Jews, right?
Who I have a commandment by God to stand up for, bless them, right?
That's that's who I'm talking about.
I don't care about the state of Israel.
It's not, it's not what I do, right?
However, what is what is white, right?
What is white?
And why are you trying to save it?
Like, define white.
sarah stock
I'm white because black people see me as white and they're white people.
zach bonfilio
You're white.
That's true, bro.
You're white.
You're white because black.
No, no, no.
What is white?
That's the thing.
Nobody can actually.
sarah stock
It's Europeans.
It's Europe.
zach bonfilio
Okay, so you're so move to Europe then.
sarah stock
Because European countries, European countries also don't have white people becoming minorities.
zach bonfilio
But you're not in the tribe that you're now defending.
Just like you're saying, white people are European.
There's no black people in Europe.
You're not making any sense.
What is that?
bryson gray
Can I ask Sarah a question?
I want to ask Sarah a question real quick.
Because this is something we can play out in real life.
And this is why I invited you to do this thing over the summer.
If we go to a majority black city, like just it could be 90% black.
And then we go to a majority white city.
Do you think if me and you walk in together, do you think we'll get more looks in a majority black city or get more looks in a majority white city?
Because I already know the answer to this.
I've done it in real life.
But so I find it funny people say black people hate white people and y'all saying it like there isn't this sentiment amongst anybody else.
Like white people are hated, but we don't hate anybody else.
This is this is not.
Okay.
sarah stock
Okay.
If I go to a black city and I say a single word that starts with N, yeah, I would probably get beat up.
bryson gray
Why would you do that though?
zach bonfilio
Yeah, what?
unidentified
What?
sarah stock
I'm guessing what?
bryson gray
No, no, I'm not sure if you're a good person.
zach bonfilio
If you go to a neighborhood and start screaming the N-word, yeah, people are going to be upset about that.
bryson gray
Yeah, but if you why would you purposely provoke somebody?
And I'm not saying that's a good thing.
sarah stock
Bryson, Bryson, can you let me finish my hypothetical scenario?
unidentified
Go ahead.
bryson gray
I'm sorry.
sarah stock
Okay.
If I go to a fully black city or like a group of black people, let's say I say that word.
Yeah, I'm going to get beat up.
If you come to a group of white people and just say cracker, no one's going to care that much.
Let's like look at you weird.
bryson gray
This is not true.
sarah stock
They would not beat you up.
bryson gray
No, so I just want to be clear.
If you go to the black community, start yelling out the N-word, most people will just probably look at you silly and start recording you and laugh at you.
Matter of fact, if people actually do research on these videos, this happens all the time.
The only time you see people getting hit for it is when they're in the midst of the argument and then they get real close to them and say it when tension is already high.
But there's so many videos of black people just simply laughing at people because they think it defends them.
sarah stock
I'm not saying that every single black person like hates white people for being white.
I'm not saying that at all.
bryson gray
You speak in general.
You're speaking in general.
sarah stock
And I'm just saying, yeah, I'm speaking in general.
I'm making that point.
There obviously is some racial resentment.
That was why this whole thing with Shiloh started because the whole Carmelo Anthony thing, where this guy just murdered a white kid out of nowhere and raised $600,000 because black people were saying white people.
zach bonfilio
Can I just say that?
sarah stock
It's like they were defending the murder of a white kid because he's white.
bryson gray
This is revisionist history.
unidentified
No, it's not.
bryson gray
I could prove it.
See, and I'm glad it's just got brought up, right?
Because I do believe that a lot of people donated to Carmelo Anthony because he's black.
But this started, because as soon as it happened, as soon as it happened, every single, every single alt-right right-wing account, before I saw any, before I saw Tyreek, does she comment on anybody?
The first people making it racial were undoubtedly right-wing conservatives.
So when they started making it racial, then black people, a lot of black people being tribal, felt the need to respond racially.
Even if you look at the time stamps of when Carmelo Anthony started getting all of his donations, it was after the father had already even came out and said, stop making it racial.
Even the father acknowledged who made it racial first.
This is not one of those cases.
I would agree with you if you was talking about George Floyd.
I would agree with you.
I would agree with you.
sarah stock
Okay, so like anon accounts on the internet, like we're like saying racist things.
Yeah, I acknowledge that happened, but at the same time, you had black people sending millions or thousands of dollars to someone who murdered a white kid and like saying like, yeah, this is like revenge on our ancestors.
Like they literally terrible.
zach bonfilio
They literally destroyed all of us.
sarah stock
They literally destroyed all of our major cities in America during BLM riots.
unidentified
You can't pretend that there's not this resentment against white people.
zach bonfilio
Let me jump in here, right?
Because this whole Carmelo Anthony thing, right?
Which you're all criticizing as the tribe of black people donated to him, donated to a murder.
I live in America that you are innocent until proven guilty.
Okay.
I don't, hold on.
No, no, no.
Don't interrupt.
bryson gray
That's the truth.
zach bonfilio
Don't interrupt me.
That is the exact standard you wanted to give to Donald Trump and anybody that you like.
It's the exact standard that people still give to Andrew Tate, who's on video doing stuff that is, in my opinion, more than enough evidence of him being guilty, right?
However, with this black kid, you called him a murderer immediately, right?
Now, he might have murdered Austin Metcalf.
I don't know.
I haven't seen the details of the case.
Neither have you.
You are assuming he is a cold-blooded murderer because he's black, right?
And that's the problem that they responded.
sarah stock
He literally said, Oh, did what he did to that self-defense because the police report said exactly what happened.
zach bonfilio
They responded to your overreaction about him.
They backed up him.
That tribe supported him, right?
Now, they might really truly believe that he was improperly charged.
I don't.
I think he was properly charged, right?
I think that there's enough evidence to charge him with murder.
However, in this country, he is right now in this moment innocent.
He did not do it until a jury of his peers finds him guilty.
So he is not guilty of murder.
Stop calling him a murderer because you sound ignorant.
Now, what Shiloh Hendricks did was she got on camera and admitted, Hey, I did this thing.
Now, is it comparable?
No.
Calling a little black kid the N-word is not comparable to taking another person's life.
However, she is guilty in that regard because she said, Yes, I did this thing.
And then we who just got done saying that it is some type of injustice that all these black people rallied around a kid and donated to his GoFundMe.
So, what we're going to do is we're going to take somebody who has admitted fault for an action, not a comparable action, but an action regardless that is absolutely horrible because it's a child, a grown woman.
Okay, I'm almost done.
I'm almost done.
I'm almost done, right?
We said that was bad.
So, let's do the same thing and praise ourselves for doing it better than they did.
Do you understand the hypocrisy is on our side here?
sarah stock
Uh, no, it's not because people were also because black people were coming for Shiloh Hendricks first, and she was getting all these threats on her life, threats on her.
zach bonfilio
There's no evidence of that, there's no evidence of that.
She just said it, she said, she said it.
bryson gray
They're not black.
elijah schaffer
Real fast, to be to be clarified.
It, I so I brought them up on my show under the iExposed racist accounts.
There was actually dozens, at least at the very top, of like saying, you know, if she did that around me, I would kill her, and he should have pulled out a gun and killed her and those kind of things.
So, I am going to clarify.
I don't, I beyond that, I haven't corroborated, but all of us here would know.
I'm sure people have threatened to kill you and skin your loved ones.
And I mean, like, it's, I mean, like, look, of course, this isn't a court, so this isn't admissible evidence.
But I mean, the fact that anyone wouldn't have threatened to kill her.
And by the way, Carmelo Anthony, to play devil's advocate, they said that his family said that people threatened to kill them.
I believe that too.
So I just believe on the internet when you're in controversy, people probably threaten to kill him.
sarah stock
Yeah, but the point, the reason why people were defending her, they weren't.
I like, I personally, I was like, I wouldn't do that.
Like, I think that's totally wrong.
Like, call a kid that word at a park, but also it's like, um, no, no one would be getting a threat on their life.
It wouldn't have even been recorded.
No one would even have cared if some black person called a white kid a name at a park.
Uh, they wouldn't have to move homes, they wouldn't have to be scared.
They're like, No, they wouldn't.
zach bonfilio
Stop lying.
I think that if there was, hold on.
I think that if there was, I think that if there was a white guy, no, I'm sorry, a black guy who called a five-year-old white kid a little cracker and was recorded about it.
I'd be like, what?
That guy's a freaking piece of shit, right?
bryson gray
Use mayo monkey.
Use mayo.
zach bonfilio
You know what I'm saying?
bryson gray
Use some of these pro blacks actually.
zach bonfilio
You guys are hyper-fixating on the word, all right?
Yes, it's a bad word.
I say it.
It's not words, don't have meaning, right?
Intent has meaning.
She intended to talk that way to a child.
Can we get back to focusing on the fact that it is a child, right?
Children are off limits.
If she said it to an adult, I don't think anybody would care either.
elijah schaffer
You know, by the way, real fast, I just want to say, I'm surprised we're trying to hold a woman accountable for anything because I was under the impression in our society that we never had to do that.
So that's more, that's the biggest controversy, right?
Today.
Okay, so let me ask you this: John, I want to just get your take.
As a white guy that's black appearing, right?
You're black presenting.
I think it's, I want to ask this exact question here because this is a lot of conservatives on the right, including Ben Shapiro, said, stop donating to bad people, to stupid people.
And there was a lot from CJ Pearson all the way up to Riley Gaines, from race, sexuality, it didn't matter.
They sort of brought in this Carmelo Anthony and Shiloh Hendrix situation as kind of like they're equal.
They're equivocal.
They're both just bad things, right?
And this is sort of like the idea of like, oh, you know, you stole from me, so I killed you.
And it's like, well, it's not right to steal, but also, you know, murder is not the right response.
What do you take about the right-wing, particularly approach of sort of equivocating the two?
Do you think they're equal?
Do you think that was a cope?
What was going on there?
jon miller
Well, Ben Shapiro, specifically as a Jew, has a vested interest in keeping someone like Shiloh Hendrix poor and in a neighborhood where she has to go to the playground with Somali pedophiles and little black thieves.
That's a that for Ben Shapiro, that's a specific interest.
And that's, you know, that's an agenda of his.
elijah schaffer
But how do you know that?
I mean, like, how do you know that?
jon miller
Because he's Jewish.
Because he's Jewish.
It's a Jewish agenda.
zach bonfilio
This is what it is.
jon miller
It's a Jewish Jewish thing to want to keep white people poor, impoverished in trailer parks, going to the park with people of other races that they have to suffer through getting their bag shuffled through.
I mean, that's a Jewish thing that they want and they propagate.
But as far as the other conservatives go, as far as people like Riley Gaines and T.J. Pearson, these are people who thrive off of the conservative, the conning machine, and they have to say, well, this is not a race issue.
It's like, how do you even say this is not a race issue?
I guess their argument is that this is not, it's wrong when both sides do it, right?
It's wrong when Carmelo Anthony kills Austin Metcalf.
It's wrong when Shiloh Hendrix says the N-word.
And they make this false equivocation between the two.
But it's like, first of all, the two aren't equivocal at all because one is murder and the other word is just a word.
I mean, do you see how ridiculous you sound when you say that?
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but there you go.
There you go again.
There you go again.
You're reducing it to a word instead of ignoring the action.
It is a grown up described woman verbally attacked a small child for apparently, hold on, apparently, according to her attack.
Now, listen, I'm not sensitive.
I'm just saying, I'm saying, if a little kid, if a little kid went through my kid's bag, right?
I highly doubt that I would look at that and go, you little N-word.
Like, nah, dude.
Come on.
Can we just stop this whole like dumbing it down to she said it like she was hanging out with her black friends that are all cool with it?
It's okay.
Yeah, like I said, that's not the problem.
sarah stock
No, I agree.
It's like wild to say that too.
I agree with that, but at the end of the day, it's like, yeah, it's just a word.
bryson gray
Wait, wait, it's also exactly.
jon miller
If you were to say, oh, you know, get out of my bag, you little brat.
What would you say?
sarah stock
Exactly.
bryson gray
Even if you said that's a different thing.
sarah stock
Even if you use like another swear word or blah, blah, blah.
Like you can't do that.
bryson gray
If you have another swear word, all of y'all do.
sarah stock
Literally, that's the only word that you could say to a child that would make international news.
unidentified
No.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but why are we trying to normal?
Why are we trying to normalize saying it because it's just a word?
Go ahead, bro.
bryson gray
Sorry.
sarah stock
So that people's lives don't get ruined for saying a word.
zach bonfilio
That's the whole thing.
You don't care, like, that's all you got to do.
Just don't do it.
bryson gray
Listen, I don't care if we're using it.
unidentified
What are we doing?
bryson gray
And I don't know where everybody else on this panel is from, but I highly doubt y'all are from the South.
This is nearly, I highly doubt because where I grew up, white, black, I don't care who you are.
If you walk to a white man, he's with his wife from where I'm from in North Carolina, and you call his wife a B-I-T-C-H or something, you're liable to get punched in your mouth.
And I think you deserve it.
I think you deserve it.
I don't think it's legal.
I think that person still might go to jail for assault or something like that.
But if you go around purposefully provoking people, how angry can you get when you get the thing you was looking for?
sarah stock
Okay, okay, but what if that, what if that woman came up to you, started grabbing your stuff, and then you called her that?
bryson gray
An adult?
And if an adult starts grabbing my stuff, you're likely getting shot.
If a child do it, probably this happens all the time.
zach bonfilio
You're talking about a curious, a curious child.
bryson gray
No, no, no.
sarah stock
It's like it's a kid.
You're trying to steal something.
Like, yeah, I'm making it.
bryson gray
If you try to rob me, if you try to rob me, yes, you will get shot.
But I'm glad that y'all said this.
I don't know how many, how much y'all travel.
I mean, I know Elijah know what I'm about to know what I'm about to say is completely true.
When you go to an airport and you see kids acting up, touching other people's stuff, they're typically not black.
Let me start there.
And secondly, what are you talking about?
This is a fact, but let me finish.
elijah schaffer
I'm saying this.
sarah stock
Wait, what kind of kids are doing that?
unidentified
I don't know.
sarah stock
I've never really seen that.
zach bonfilio
Little kids are.
bryson gray
Kids that are gentle parenting.
When parents are gentle parenting kids, they always act up in airports.
And every time I see it, I'll watch it because I love psychology.
And a lot of times they handle it the right way.
If somebody is touching somebody else's stuff, they say, this is not your stuff.
You're not supposed to do that.
And then that's it.
They'll get the stuff from the child and give it to and give it to the person if you're touching people's stuff.
Kids do these things, especially kids who have, like, I don't know if it's a fact that he had autism or not.
I mean, the reports say he did, but if he did or didn't, the kid would do it regardless.
But especially if they have like a, I don't want to say, you know, neurological disorder.
A neurological issue.
If they do it, then you just handle that situation like that.
And even if she was angry, again, I don't care about the word, but anybody can say you shouldn't be speaking like this to a child.
Brat is not the same as the N-word.
A B-word is if she would have said that, caught him a B-word or caught him any, any explicit of explanative like that, I think it should be called out.
I don't care if you do it, donate, give her a million billion dollars.
sarah stock
So I agree.
I agree with that, but I don't, the whole point is it wouldn't have gone viral if she used any other word.
Like there's no other word that she could have said that someone wouldn't have even have picked up their phone and said, oh, what did you say?
What did you say?
unidentified
No, no one would have cared.
sarah stock
No one would have been that mad and she wouldn't have gotten doxed.
She wouldn't have been scared for her life.
Her kid got kicked out of school, like, or she had to like pull her kid out of school because they're doxing her kids' school.
Like that, you know what I mean?
Like that just like doesn't happen.
bryson gray
No, any other word.
sarah stock
So the whole point is we're trying to disincentivize this cancel culture, which is like, no, you guys are going to try to ruin someone's.
zach bonfilio
You're going to incentivize it.
You're going to dox it.
You're going to create a situation.
You're going to create a situation where somebody like that MoCon kid can get a sign that says fuck the Jews, put it in Dave Portnoy's establishment and then make a GoFundMe and go, I'm a victim.
I did something horrible and I'm being attacked.
Look, here's the deal.
I don't agree with cancel culture whatsoever.
I'm very much against it.
I've been canceled more than anybody I know.
Right.
However, if you actually do something bad, because cancel culture usually is reserved for a 10-year-old tweet that's taken out of context, or you found somebody that was in a really bad moment, but they didn't, it's not like a little kid being called the N-word.
And then they go after these people.
If you think the mob is going to see that you donated to white trash Eva Braun and then all of a sudden just go, well, we better not cancel them because what if we make them a millionaire?
They don't give a f.
They're going to do it tomorrow.
They're going to do it the next day.
And the only thing that you're doing by incentivizing this bad behavior is going to create more situations where they can try to cancel somebody.
They don't care if you donate to her.
I promise you, right?
I am a self-made person.
sarah stock
How does that make any sense?
How is defending someone from the cancel mob incentivizing more people to get cancer?
That's not what you're saying.
zach bonfilio
It's not the cancel.
The cancel mob is not what's happening here.
You're conflating two different things.
She did something really shitty and she went online and she created a fundraiser, right?
She knew what she was doing.
She started with 20,000, which was apparently how much she needed to protect her family security system, move, what have you.
She upped it to 100 grand.
Then she upped it to 250.
Then she upped it to a million dollars.
She didn't provide a single shred of evidence that anything that she actually needed, anything that she was actually going to spend this money on, would protect her.
I get death threats all the time.
I got over 100 credible death threats.
I have 20 police reports in my cabinet over there, right?
People have done this crazy cancel culture shit to me.
Not a single person has shown up.
And I get it.
I'm not a skinny white girl, but who cares?
All right.
You don't need a million dollars to protect yourself from the mob.
If you did something really bad, like call a little kid the hard R, right?
Then you're free to make a fundraiser.
The problem is not with what she did, it's with what you're doing.
You're incentivizing it, and you don't realize it because you're making this bull argument that it's about fighting cancel culture.
jon miller
White people are fed up.
zach bonfilio
White people are cool.
jon miller
That's not a body that they raise.
We're tired.
unidentified
We're tired.
zach bonfilio
You're just raising a million dollars.
I'm tired of being a shit.
I'm tired of being a shitty human being.
unidentified
We're sick and tired of being stepped on like this.
Well, you guys are the pioneers.
bryson gray
John, I have a question because if you just do the numbers, right, per capita, or any statistical data you want to use, the main people that are bashing white people, the main people bashing white people on the internet or on TV shows, they're typically white women, nine times out of ten.
Or eight times.
Eight times out of ten.
Yeah, they typically are white.
Look it up.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, the woke left.
The woke left is trashing their own identity.
They hate themselves.
bryson gray
But my point is, outside of that, outside of people saying mean things or people disagree, because on the internet, people say talk bad about races all the time.
sarah stock
What was that trick?
Wait, Who did that?
jon miller
Who did that?
bryson gray
Elijah shake it.
unidentified
Who trick was that?
elijah schaffer
I was just trolling.
unidentified
I was just trolling him.
I was just trolling.
elijah schaffer
I did not.
I did that.
bryson gray
Elijah did that.
I called it a good home.
We don't do that.
We don't do that stuff.
elijah schaffer
But I was just with you.
bryson gray
But point being, people trash on Indian people all the time.
What are you tired?
People talk bad about you on the internet.
Get over it.
Learn how to fight or something.
Like, y'all are so soft, bro.
And then what's funny is y'all act like y'all don't get sensitive.
But clearly, this is a sensitive response.
But then, especially, Sarah, no, this is bad.
I got to call it out a little bit.
Myron Gaines, he said that white women hit the wall.
And by the way, Myron Gaines, all he does is talk about black women all day long.
The one time he talks about white women, you have all of these same accounts.
Like, shut up, dude.
White women are awesome.
Shut up.
Or Sarah said, delete this post.
zach bonfilio
And it's just like.
sarah stock
I just said delete this.
White women are awesome.
That's not a crash out.
Notice how you didn't go after white women's lifestyle.
bryson gray
I'm telling him to delete his free speech because you don't care if he's not white women.
sarah stock
I'm not censoring him.
zach bonfilio
What?
No, you're just calling.
You're calling for him to self-censor.
sarah stock
I'm saying delete this.
People on Twitter say delete this when it's like, oh, this is like embarrassing.
You're like, you should delete this.
Like, delete this.
bryson gray
People do use it like that.
But that is not how you were using it.
Because you told me when I told you this on Twitter, somebody pulled up on my Twitter.
You said, yes, he should have deleted it when I brought it up to you the first time.
sarah stock
Yeah, because it's embarrassing.
bryson gray
Because he should have deleted it, right?
sarah stock
Because it's embarrassing, yes.
bryson gray
So he should have self-censored.
sarah stock
And by the way, you know, statistically, you should delete it when it's like a stupid take because he's wrong.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
zach bonfilio
So that's always your opinion.
bryson gray
But you know, scientifically, like because of the melanin in people's skin, that literally provides natural oils for them.
And that's why that's why a lot of people don't start looking older, looking older until later is because of the melanin in their skin.
So it is scientifically accurate.
You know that, right?
zach bonfilio
Black don't crack.
bryson gray
No, that's not what they smoke.
But that depends on an individual.
elijah schaffer
No, I'm not sitting around that.
I've thrown a couple jokes and I should stay more neutral.
I just, I'd like to make light of a lot of serious situations.
I do bring this up, though, as an interesting conversation.
Is that with the Shiloh Hendrix and Carmelo Anthony thing?
One thing that I kept hearing you say, Miss Fit, was like, you know, she did a shitty thing.
This is like a bad thing.
Now, I'm by no means going to be defending any side here.
However, who defines that that's a really bad thing to say?
Meaning, like, that's kind of, I think, what John was saying.
You know, who's telling white people that that's a really bad thing?
What if they don't think it's a really bad thing?
And it's just a name to them, like, Brett.
Who gets to define that that is a really bad thing?
Like, you know, like, like in Australia, for instance, you would call a kid a little cuck if you're pissed at them.
And here that would be considered very, very bad.
But there, it's like, yeah, you little cuck, get out of here.
So, so that would be considered like the N-word without racially involved, one of the worst words.
Who, who, I think what I hear is like people like John and Sarah, like, it's not a big deal, and it doesn't matter.
It's like just calling a kid something, and then you're saying it's really bad.
Who defines the rule there on what's actually bad about the N-word?
unidentified
I think they want to, I think that they, I'll give them where to say that we're in the Bible, Bryce.
bryson gray
Come on, do you want me to bring up chapter verse?
A lot of people test me on chapter and verse, but I'll do it afterwards.
zach bonfilio
We'll bring up the Bible hard R in a minute.
Look, here's the thing: you want to live in this, you want to live in this utopian society where we destigmatize bad language, right?
So let me let me take it from a perspective of you're actually making a noble argument, right?
Where it's like, we should, we should be able to be able to say this thing and them not be upset about it.
Here's the thing: they are.
And who makes it a bad word society, right?
Obviously, her react, the reaction given to Shiloh Hendrix proves that the majority of people just think that that's wrong, right?
It's just like the Nazi flag, right?
It used to be a symbol of peace, and then, you know, Hitler used it to murder like 16 million Jews.
And then people were like, you know what?
When I see that flag, that's a bad flag, right?
And it's like, it's a societal thing where I think that the majority of people, I think that most people, and I'm not even talking about 51%, the vast majority of people think if you call a little black kid a hard R, you're a piece of, right?
And it's like, there's no destigmatizing it to the point where we're going to be able to accept it and nobody's going to be canceled because that's the whole point is that you're right.
sarah stock
Society places all the time.
zach bonfilio
You can change the tides of the ocean if that's your goal.
unidentified
Yeah.
zach bonfilio
Right.
If that's your goal, you're going to lose, right?
You're never going to be able to do that.
sarah stock
We have a word that black people say to each other on a daily basis, but if you're a white person, they use it differently.
Oh, it's a different.
unidentified
They use it like that.
Oh, they use it with love.
They use it with love.
zach bonfilio
Well, you can't.
sarah stock
The point is because black people use with each other on a daily basis.
They put it in all their music.
But a singular word, a white person says a singular word and they get kicked out of college.
They lose their job.
Their family gets doxed.
This is not the first time this has happened.
If you're like a kid and you go to school and you're like in an Ivy Leaves school and you call someone an N-word and you're white, you will get kicked out of college.
There's no word that black people could say that would happen to.
This is a point.
White people are sick and tired of this.
So we're just trying to defend ourselves and say, you know what?
Like, we don't care.
zach bonfilio
You're not defending yourself.
You're trying to justify bad behavior.
Words are sounds that come out of your food hole.
They don't matter, right?
Like you, like Elijah brought up cunt, right?
I say cunt all the time and I say it in the Australian way.
However, if I was to be in an argument with a woman at a restaurant and I called her a cunt, it's the same word, but the intent behind it was very different.
sarah stock
Yeah, and you're probably not going to lose your job.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, but oh, I probably wouldn't lose my job.
Yes, I would.
And if I did it and the mob tried to cancel me because I did it, it would not make a national news story.
sarah stock
Nobody cared.
zach bonfilio
This only made a national news story because you guys tried to justify bad behavior and donated $700,000 to a piece of shit.
elijah schaffer
To be fair, though, it actually went on that iExpose racist account.
It had like maybe 10, 15 million views before it was.
sarah stock
It was viral before.
elijah schaffer
It was viral.
That's how I found out about it because I'm big in black Twitter.
They love me, as Bryson knows.
And then basically that's where I saw it.
However, I do just want to, I get where you're coming from, Miss Fit, and I get where they're coming from.
But what I'm trying to understand with Bryson is like, how is, I think people are tired of being told what they can and cannot say.
And I also think one of the main things is, is I want to hear the spiritual implication is that there's very little discussion about why people use the N-word, meaning what are they, what kind of behavior are they describing?
And there's a lot of attack on the people who use the N-word.
Dave Blunt says everyone that goes to his concerts can get an N-word pass.
So we know that there's different uses of the word.
Sometimes it's vitriolic.
It's meant to hurt.
It's meant to demean.
Sometimes it's just meant to be a rap song.
But I did want to say before that, how many Jews did you say died in the Holocaust, Miss Fitz?
You said 16 million or 60 people?
zach bonfilio
Oh my God, here we go.
I messed up 6 million.
elijah schaffer
Okay, sorry.
No, I just.
jon miller
I just six.
unidentified
Okay.
Thank goodness.
jon miller
Thank goodness.
zach bonfilio
My bad.
My bad.
It was 11, 11 million.
jon miller
Every time I look, this number goes up with this guy.
unidentified
Well, because they're on Twitter, you got me saying it was 11 million.
zach bonfilio
They're going to pull the, now they're going to pull this clip out of context and say that I was conflating the numbers.
elijah schaffer
That's what I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself because I knew that they would do that.
So anyway, so to clarify, yeah, so in terms of like the idea, you know, I'll admit, I might admit a little bit, maybe I'm a little bit, you know, hyperbolic and volatile on the internet.
Maybe I focus too much on some things that I shouldn't.
But before we go to Bryson on the spiritual implication, it's like, I think, again, why people donate is not to justify bad behavior, but it's like, do you know what?
I'm tired of a girl being, especially a woman, being like a mom is probably high stress in the very, obviously like a pedophile allegedly there.
It's a very, very sketchy place.
And then like, that's what we're mad at.
Like the conversation isn't like, why was there a pedophile?
Where are the kids' parents?
Also, what's really, maybe the racial tensions in the area, maybe there's a lot of crimes within a victim of crime and she's just upset.
So she uses a word out of anger.
And I don't, you know, give women a lot of credence.
Sorry, Sarah, but like in terms of, you know, I don't even argue with women on the internet because I just like, I don't see a point to.
I don't even argue with my own wife anymore.
You know, it's just like, we either figure it out or we don't.
So I just feel like a lot of this conversation is, you know, misguided.
And I think people did donate because they're tired of, it's like, you know what?
If someone's going to act this way, then let people like, let's stop putting the guilt on the person who used the word.
Let's start calling out the bad behavior.
I don't know, Bryson.
I'm going to go to you on this for both the spiritual and that side, but that's what I thought I saw.
bryson gray
So this conversation proves my point because everybody here claims to be Christian.
And as a Christian, again, you can't show partiality and judgment.
You can't bear false witness.
So you have the mesa when you say things, you know, they're accurate.
Perfect example.
This pedophile.
First off, the kid wasn't even black.
The person wasn't even black.
So for me, it's more about this happening to a kid.
Like the kid is obviously not black.
Like his parents have came out.
elijah schaffer
They're literally with.
sarah stock
The kid's not even black, and people came out of the game.
zach bonfilio
Picture of him, picture of him.
He looks like a picture of him.
bryson gray
Came out days ago.
He's like a like one of them.
Um, I don't want to say the wrong ass stinky people or what?
Nah, nah, is he all right?
zach bonfilio
Is he dark?
Is he dark-skinned?
sarah stock
But he used the N-word at someone who's not even black.
bryson gray
Somalians aren't black.
zach bonfilio
Well, does he fall in?
No, the question goes back to what I was saying about the actual four categories of races, right?
Was he Negroid or Australoid, Caucasoid, or mongoloid, right?
If he was in the Negroid category, which is not just black, but it covers brown.
sarah stock
Wait, are you allowed to say that word?
zach bonfilio
Negroid?
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, Negroid is an anthropological term.
I can say Negroid is.
Yeah, it's anthropology.
It's like Negro is black in Spanish.
bryson gray
Yeah.
But the point, the point is, when you say the pedophile is there, right?
I care nothing about his dudes' existence, but he was literally absolved of all charges.
Like, he's like, I don't even care.
He's irrelevant to situations, but he was absolutely all charges.
So if you're going to speak about it, if you don't add that part in there, that means you're literally bearing false witness, especially if you know it.
And this is my problem with Christians, bro.
I don't care if a secular, like a lot of um, because a lot of real white supremacists are like pagans.
Like, I don't even respond to them because, like, you're, I can't hold you to a standard.
You know what I'm saying?
You believe in Zeus.
You know what I'm saying?
The people, and a lot of these people don't like Nick Fuentes, and John knows exactly what I'm talking about, the wig nest.
But when it comes to like, y'all, everybody on here right now, and all of these Catholics claim when you claim Christian, I can hold you to a standard.
So with this, and then you say, why do people use the N-word?
And we have to just be honest, bro.
Again, if you get into these situations, for some reason, when a white person, black person gets to a situation, that N-word just starts coming out again.
So sometimes it's funny.
I'm a free speech absolutist, but you can't get mad if somebody says, okay, you're a cornball for saying it to a child.
And that's my point with this show.
sarah stock
No, and I've never disagreed with that, though.
unidentified
No, I don't.
bryson gray
No, no, no.
I'm not saying you haven't disagreed with that, but I'm responding to really a lot of saying, like, why people do it.
Lastly, with the N-word, you said people did it because they're fed up.
No, no, We read the comments before they were deleted.
I'm very locked in on right-wing Twitter, especially out-right right-wing Twitter.
Let's stop the cap.
They enjoyed watching her say that to somebody that was a black child.
They admitted they enjoyed it.
unidentified
I don't know why.
sarah stock
Some of them probably did.
There's definitely a lot of wig nats on the internet.
zach bonfilio
Look at her.
Look at that.
bryson gray
I'm not talking about the nation.
Wait, wait.
I'm not talking about wig nets right here.
I'm talking about Catholics, mostly Catholics.
It is cool if it's true.
Let's just stop doing this facade.
Like, just like a lot of black people, they will send you a AI-created meme of Carm Brother Anthony stabbing a white person.
They'll say, uh, they'll say some anti-anti-white thing because they are clearly these people don't like white people.
So just keep it 100.
That's all I'm asking, bro.
elijah schaffer
Real fast.
Wait, wait, wait.
Real fast, real fast.
I want to get people closing thoughts here.
We do have a live show that we're supposed to be getting to in about 12 minutes.
I delayed it, but I do want to, in the end of this, when you say this, I want you to give you a second to give your closing arguments.
You know, as you respond to the Shiloh Hendricks stuff, we kind of covered a lot of bases, but also, you know, make sure you include in your final statement, we'll get everyone here on whether or not you think that in response to the increasing pressure on white people publicly in terms of, you know, there's a lot of expectations for white guild, et cetera, that a lot of people are sort of rejecting this modern liberalism and are sort of becoming not just extremists, but racially conscious.
To summarize the Wilkright thing, is it okay and justified an understanding of the reactionary way that white people are acting and behaving?
Is this totally acceptable?
Is it a good idea?
Or what do you see the dangers in it?
You know, what do you think could be the problems?
I kind of want you to make sure you conclude your thoughts.
Go ahead, Misfit, and then we'll go John, then Bryce and then Sarah.
zach bonfilio
Okay, so yeah, the reaction and the tribalism of quote white people, it's normal, right?
I think that it's misguided in this regard.
Like I said, I think that you guys just missed the mark.
You picked somebody that did something that obviously should never be canceled, but I think that you just you picked the wrong person to combat this issue with.
She did something that I think justifiably deserved a lot of public outcry, like she deserved to be called out.
And then you painted her as a victim, like she's like white Rosa Parks, and she's not, right?
She's a grifter who made a fundraiser because she did something awful and she didn't want to be punished for the awful thing that she did.
Now, that's not in comparison to taking another person's life with Carmelo Anthony.
Now, the woke right and the tribalism and all this stuff.
Again, my main question to all the people making this argument is what is white, right?
Because, I mean, yeah, I'm white, I guess.
I'm Caucasian, but I don't, but there's so, there's such this hypocritical, like, it doesn't, it doesn't really fit into the argument that you're making.
If you look at Shiloh Hendrix's donation page when people were doing Tower Gang style, typing out N I G G R E R, it's like, dude, the reason why people rallied behind this girl, one of the reasons why, it wasn't to fight some social injustice.
It was because the far right racist Groiper gang wanted to paint this girl as a hero when she wasn't and push their own narrative.
I personally think that there was some outside influence here.
I personally think that somebody who is like, never let a good crisis go to waste might have started maybe funding this.
The same thing probably happened on the Carmelo Anthony side.
I think that this race war that people are constantly trying to bring up, Morgan Freeman said it best, you want to stop the race problem, stop talking about it.
And when we do this, when we get into this mindset of, all right, this, this person's white.
She's being attacked because she's white, but ignoring the action of what she did, right?
The Somali alleged accused pedophile is irrelevant.
Whether or not he's five or nine is irrelevant.
Whether or not he's autistic is irrelevant.
A grown woman yelled at a child and really said something that I think the majority of normal society thinks is abhorrent, right?
And when you try to fit the square peg in the round hole and make it sound like it was somehow justified, you sound stupid and you're not helping your cause, if that is your cause, right, to end cancel culture.
You're not helping.
You're only hurting.
You're going to create more of it, not less of it.
And yeah, I think that we need to start using discernment and calling out things on the merits instead of categorizing this into these groups of people.
Because to be honest, like I said, we have a person on the panel that is the pro-white argument who looks like he has a tan, let's just say.
So I don't understand what your argument, what nobody understands what you are actually fighting for.
sarah stock
I don't know why I'm saying that like I'm trying to justify or like maybe other people are, but like I've said, I think most of the people talking about this aren't even trying to justify her saying the word.
We're just making the point that there's this big societal outcry over one word and it's purely a racial outcry.
Like it obviously is.
unidentified
And that's one of our own.
sarah stock
As another white person, we're saying, you know what?
We're going to defend white people from people trying to kill them and dox their house and their kids because they said a word and because there's racial resentment against white people.
Like that's really what it comes out.
zach bonfilio
Let me know how that works.
Let me know how that works out for you when you finally get your wish and bring back segregation and bring us all the way back to the 1950s.
Hey, I think progress that we've had is good.
jon miller
Let's go.
elijah schaffer
Hey, you know, I mean, John, go ahead.
jon miller
And this is about white people saying we're sick and tired of literally having our people be killed in the bleachers at a track meet and having them raise a million dollars.
And we're supposed to just sit back and be fine with that.
None of this exists outside of context.
None of this exists in an isolated incident where you say, oh, well, she just used a word and we don't see what the big deal is.
There's context for all of this.
And we've been headed this way for a while.
And white people have not felt that they have had the ability to stand up for themselves and to say, okay, we're not going to put up with this anymore.
And we're not going to put up with this.
This woman, she just said a word.
We've debated back and forth the significance of that word and comparable incidents.
But at the end of the day, she just said a word and they're trying to cancel this woman and not allow her to have a job or be able to do anything that she wants.
And at the end of the day, they're saying we're not going to stand up for this.
And we're going to raise her a lot of money.
We're going to raise her not just twice what she wanted, but we're actually going to raise her over half a million bucks because that's how tired, that's how sick and tired we are of this system where she just gets to get trampled on like this.
And it's really that we have entered into what we've been doing.
zach bonfilio
It would have worked a lot better if she was making a joke.
If she was making a joke, your argument would be 100% valid, but she didn't.
jon miller
It doesn't matter what she is.
elijah schaffer
Sorry, real fast.
It's so crazy.
We're talking about so much racial stuff.
Fried chicken showed up on our table.
But also, I did want to point out there what you said, which is very, who doesn't like fried chicken?
By the way, I never showed the stereotype hatred of like black people like fried chicken.
Everyone likes fried chicken.
That's the weirdest thing.
Also, watermelon's good.
But I wonder if you're not.
bryson gray
I don't eat watermelon.
elijah schaffer
No.
Well, fried chicken, right?
bryson gray
I've never had hot sauce either.
elijah schaffer
Really?
bryson gray
Yeah.
I mean, I'm from the south.
zach bonfilio
You're from the south?
bryson gray
Bro, I am the piggy's eater.
I'm the piggiest eater alive, period.
elijah schaffer
So I don't count really.
He's on a white boy's palate.
That's what it is.
He's like, bro, that's what God gave you.
He's like, bro, I'm going to give you the boldness of a black guy, but I'm going to give you the palate of a five-year-old white child.
sarah stock
I'm just going to pull something up real quick from earlier.
Misfit, you're trying to say that you're like, oh, what even is white?
Like, why do people always try to deny that white people even exist as a group?
White people are the only ones.
Anyone does.
No one's asking like, oh, what do you mean, black people?
zach bonfilio
Black people don't even exist.
What I said was, what is white?
And I can tell you what it is.
It's people that are part of the Caucasoid anthropological lineage, right?
So you're saying European.
That's retarded.
No, they're not Europeans.
It's people that are part of the Caucasoid group, right?
So you have white people.
But again, if you can't define what the tribe is, if you're just saying white, when it's basically a spectrum of people and you don't know where it ends and where it starts, if you got a little bit of, what if you're, what if you're mulatto?
Are you just going to call yourself white?
It's like you, this is.
sarah stock
I don't really care.
This is just semantics.
unidentified
You can just go at somebody.
sarah stock
Oh, that's a white person.
That's a black person.
White people exist this way in society.
zach bonfilio
Black people exist.
Like, who cares?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, let me give it to Bryson.
jon miller
Anyone watching this would say Bryson and me are black.
Sarah and Misfit are white.
And it's just that simple.
unidentified
I like how I just got left out of that.
bryson gray
Thank you.
jon miller
You're the moderator.
You don't have an opinion.
unidentified
You're not.
elijah schaffer
Well, I'm Jewish.
So, you know, we have that.
But anyway, Bryson, go ahead.
bryson gray
Yeah, so we didn't get to get into these statistics that I really wanted to get into that a lot of people like to throw out.
And because a lot of people that say that other people don't understand per capita, I realize just like objectively, they don't understand per capita.
So I just want to break down a few statistics on why a lot of this white victimhood, just like black victimhood is dumbfounded.
It's not true.
It's made up.
You just, you're just trying to create a narrative based on something that doesn't exist.
Perfect examples how people make up these numbers like, oh, black people kill white people per year more than white people kill black people per year.
I mean, statistically, this is true, right?
Black people kill white people 566 times per year based on 2019 FBI statistics and white people kill black people 246 times per year.
Now, people like per capita, right?
So let's look at the annual odds.
of each one.
So how do you find out the annual odds for anybody that tries to debunk this?
This is very simple.
There's 191 million non-Hispanic white people in this country, and they are killed 566 times by black people.
And then for black people, it's 250 times.
And then you do that, divide that by their population, which is 41.9.
Just know the annual odds of a white person being killed by a black person is one in 370,000.
The chance of a black person being killed by a white person is one in 170,000.
Both are rare and uncommon.
Most crimes are intra-racial, not interracial.
Just like with murder, period.
If white people want to complain about something, even per capita, white people kill white people more than black people kill white people.
Not only that, white people account for 69.4% of all crime in this country.
They are overrepresented.
Are black people more overrepresented in crime?
Yes, by a long shot, actually.
Yes, black, yes.
But we break that down into actual statistics.
We have a sin problem, not a skin problem.
And the reason I say that is because if you do the percentages, less than 1% of black people, when you do the numbers, less than 1%, I think it's like 0.04% of black people committed a violent crime in 2019.
Just like when white people, of course, it's less because black people commit more crime per capita.
Even white people, it's less than that.
It's like 0.001% of white people committed a crime.
sarah stock
So 10 times more.
bryson gray
No, no, no.
Them last percentage points, I was just like doing something.
I can give you the exact amount if you want me to.
I have it up.
But long social source, white people are overrepresented in crime.
It may be different crimes than what black people are overrepresented in.
Black people are overrepresented in murder, clearly, by a long shot.
But white people are severely overrepresented when it comes to child pornography convictions, right?
You account for 80% of child pornography convictions.
Black people account for 4% of child pornography convictions.
Black people account for 51% of homicides, meaning 13% of the population.
The whole point is when you really break down American culture is saying the only people in America that can have some claim to be a race that don't engage in a bunch of crime, honestly, are Asians.
Hispanics are overrepresented in crime.
Asians are not, though.
Asians are pretty much underrepresented in every bad statistic.
So the whole point is for my white people, because I have a lot of friends and a lot of relationships with trained over this and black people get angry.
Listen to me closely.
Do not fall for any of these traps of people trying to make you crazy.
I was just out of Nashville today.
My best friend is white.
This stuff is faking on the internet.
And the statistics are fake.
These people don't know what they're talking about.
They don't know what per capita means.
They can't win a debate to save their lives using statistics only.
As an example of me debating Stew Peters in his own show.
sarah stock
I disagree.
No, it's not just like fake statistics on the internet, chronically online.
Like black neighborhoods are just obviously less safe than white neighborhoods.
bryson gray
Yes.
In intra-racial crime, the black crime, matter of fact, just to let you know, 50% of over 50% of homicides all happen in low-income neighborhoods.
When black people move up the ladder, the crime stops.
Just like when white people, the poorer a white person is.
sarah stock
That's not true.
Black violent crime with poor white people is way lower than poor black people.
bryson gray
You didn't listen to what I just said.
That's what I'm saying.
zach bonfilio
When people are poor.
bryson gray
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is when white people get poor, when you compare white people that have money to white people that don't have money, they're extremely more likely to commit crime in low-income neighborhoods.
sarah stock
Yeah, more likely, but I'm just saying poor black people and poor white people are still like, there's still a way more disproportionate amount of violent crime that black people get.
bryson gray
No, no, it's way more when you compare the two.
We've already discussed that.
What I'm telling you is, you're committing crime.
You're overrepresented in crime as white people.
Overrepresented.
sarah stock
I don't know if that's true, but nobody is.
But no one's denying that white people commit crime.
Like, obviously, white people also commit crime.
bryson gray
No, like, I don't know.
I think you are overrepresented in crime.
elijah schaffer
I think there's ever an argument about certain crimes because, like, for instance, like, I wouldn't know how to access CP.
I don't think anybody here really would, but it's probably a pretty hard and technical thing.
It's not really like an impulse.
It doesn't seem like you impulsively just find CP.
You'd have to really go through technical layers to avoid the police as well.
sarah stock
But like, shooting someone's kind of easy.
zach bonfilio
I'm glad you don't know how to find it.
unidentified
All right.
bryson gray
Like, if you're having research and look at pedophile cancers, it's quite easy.
It's mainly online.
Well, I mean, we're like you said on Instagram.
elijah schaffer
Like I'm learning it from you.
Well, I'm black.
bryson gray
I'm black, statistically speaking.
zach bonfilio
Well, Bryson, Bryson's right.
Bryson's right about the statistics.
When you hyperfixate on statistics and you cherry-pick outliers, right?
Like, so 80% of white people or the child pornography is represented by 80% of white people.
It doesn't mean that all white people are pedophiles, right?
So it's the generalizations that some people are making about any other race based off of one statistic.
And that's, I think, what Bryson was trying to point out, where it's like, correct.
bryson gray
I will never paint white people as people that love child pornography, generally speaking, even though they are well overrepresented in that statistic.
Because it's rare for people to commit crime, period.
In America, there's a lot of crime, but the majority of people don't commit crime in any race.
So you can't even justify generally speaking about black people as criminals in that in even in that context.
sarah stock
Because criminals as in like, I think every black person is a criminal or anything, but you, it is fair to generalize and say that like black people do commit more criminals.
unidentified
I think the argument is also can I say one more thing?
sarah stock
Can I say one more thing?
Also, the reason why people bring up the interracial crime statistics is because we're like the societal, like the cultural narrative right now is that like white cops are like murdering black people.
Black people are constantly a victim.
And then it's like you look at the stats and it's like, okay, so we're actually like 10 times more likely or sorry, black people are actually 10 times more likely to kill us than we are to kill them.
But we're like supposed to be these like oppressors.
No, that is true.
bryson gray
No, no.
I just gave you the annual.
I just gave you the annual eyes to look it up.
sarah stock
No, no, no, because you flipped around and said like likelihood that you will be killed by a black person.
bryson gray
No, the annual odds, this is how you should do it per capita.
This is the correct way to do it per the math.
The annual odds of a black person in any given year being murdered by a white person is lower than the annual eyes of a white person in any given year being killed by a black person.
To claim that that's not the correct way to look at it, it's asinine.
It should be common sense per capita.
zach bonfilio
No, why not?
bryson gray
Because white people are 191 million people.
sarah stock
No, that's because there's a lot more white people.
Why wouldn't you just look at it like that's my point?
bryson gray
I broke it down per capita.
sarah stock
No, no, because you shouldn't be looking at the per capita, like, are you more likely to get killed or not?
zach bonfilio
You should be, are you more likely to say, look, I don't think you're understanding what he's saying.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, I do.
And to wrap it up, though, I understand.
I honestly don't agree with that definition of per capita because that's like, it's called like reverse statistics.
What I'm saying is like, I actually, like, I'm not, I'm not a claim to be a statistian or anything, but obviously, but no, what I'm saying, but obviously, like, I am pretty well educated in the sciences.
I have formerly been trained in statistics in the university level for multiple years and probabilities.
And a lot of times, what we do with anomalies or outliers is like, yes, this is why we don't want to raise a massive, like, oh, if you're just in a neighborhood of a bunch of white people, what's your likelihood per capita to be murdered here?
We're not really looking at that.
bryson gray
That's not what we're doing.
elijah schaffer
Because, no, no, I know.
I'm so not really looking at that.
There's a lot of what's called reverse statistics, meaning, but when you go down to it and you go, hey, just that we have, just we have a problem in this country when you go into like a black neighborhood.
Like I've been a victim of several several instances, including Grand Theft Auto, home burglary, and I can tell you how each person looked in LA.
You know, the statistical anomaly that, you know, randomly that I've been a victim three times of severe assault, burglary, and grand theft auto by a black person.
My brother, for instance, you know, was the guy tried to stab me in jail for 17 years, was a black person.
He also got jumped and beaten up by a black person in LA.
People can use their eyes and know, you know, hey, there's a real problem with a certain sect of black kids.
Why, Maybe it's IQ, maybe it's fatherlessness, maybe it's genetics, maybe the Wignats are right, maybe the sociologists are right.
All I want to say is that people do know that there is per capita in terms of violent crime, petty crime, physical assault, these things.
If you are a white person and you're going to these neighborhoods, you know you don't feel safe.
You know something's wrong there.
And that's because you do see a higher instance.
However, I'll let you respond, but I do want to give Sarah a chance to close out and then I'll give a final thought.
unidentified
Go ahead.
elijah schaffer
Go ahead.
bryson gray
The problem is everything you just said, you didn't mention any statistics.
You tried to give your personal experiences.
And of course, the two people on there will agree with you.
Like, yeah, my personal experience says the same.
I'm giving actual statistics.
Again, what I'm saying is the odds of a white person in any given year being killed by a black person versus a black person in any given year being killed by a white person.
That's not reverse.
That's how the statistics are supposed to work in any given scenario.
So again, and this is my point.
When you claim you're tired, you're tired of being victimized by white people statistically.
Your personal experiences, I don't bring up personal experiences because they don't matter in the debate.
You need statistics.
You need data to prove your point rather than just.
elijah schaffer
No, no, because I'm saying if you live in an area with all white people, then you're obviously not likely to be a victim of black crime.
And a majority of white people live around other white people.
But I grew up in a minority neighborhood around blacks and Hispanics.
And that's what I'm saying is that is it.
bryson gray
But that proves my point.
elijah schaffer
Well, larger universal statistics take into play areas that are not affected.
Like if we look at violent crime, it actually is way higher in a lot of cities, like drastically.
And you see cities that are white don't even have that level of violent crime because you go to Detroit or something, it could be upwards of 80, 88% in some region, South Chicago.
And yeah, you go, well, that's because that's because, well, that's because, you know, 60% of the people are black.
Yeah.
All I'm saying is I think you and I have different definitions of per capita based on.
bryson gray
There's only one definition of per capita.
elijah schaffer
Right.
But well, there's one, there's, we have a different definition at the moment.
But I will say, I would like to have you back on.
I'd like to have you back on.
I want to, I want to extend this invitation to everyone here.
I'm trying to avoid because I'm supposed to be the moderator.
I'm not trying to argue.
I'm saying I just digress and say, hey, I think we have a different understanding or different perspective.
bryson gray
However, this doesn't make any sense.
elijah schaffer
Okay, but I'd like to invite, I'd like to extend always my invitation if people are cordial.
Any one of you at any point would love to have you out in the studio.
We do multiple shows, including Almost Serious, which is a one-on-one.
If you want to come in, do one of the one-on-one life interviews about who you are and what you are, which is kind of like this.
I try to stay more neutral.
Come on slightly offensive at night.
Come on our news show, which is like not controversial.
And it's called the Rift Report.
And it's, we have a deal with Rumble.
You're welcome to come out.
I'd love to have you, any of you here for a couple of days in the studio.
Come on the shows.
And people love it in the studio.
So let me know.
We'll, you know, pay for your ticket, pay for your hotel.
You guys have Mike Mendoza's contact information.
We'd love to have you out.
But Sarah, I'll give you the closing thought.
We actually have to close because we actually have to go live here in 12, we have to accept in 12 minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
sarah stock
Okay.
Yeah, to close off, I guess like the main topic of the conversation is like white people here, I guess.
And like, I do think white people like our population is declining.
Obviously, our countries are being flooded by immigrants from other countries that no one's actually asking for.
It's kind of just being forced on us.
So we are quickly becoming minorities in our own countries and also being told by the mass media that we are the bad ones and we are the racist ones.
We have no claims to any of the land or anything we built.
And we're just kind of getting sick and tired of it and tired of dealing with violent crime from these minority communities and everything like that.
And tired of being told we're not allowed to speak about it.
So yeah, basically, I just think like if everyone else is allowed to be tribal, I do think that white people are allowed to be tribal too and to try to defend ourselves.
elijah schaffer
All right, I will end with this.
I asked people to the crowd, doesn't say this.
I asked them if they had any questions for you guys.
And because the questions are not good faith, like ask Misfit how much he's getting paid by the Jews or like, or like something.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
zach bonfilio
And like, not enough.
elijah schaffer
Correct.
zach bonfilio
Not enough.
elijah schaffer
And people are like, ask the group what they all think about fisting.
I don't even know what any of this means.
zach bonfilio
So it's like, that's about me too.
elijah schaffer
Okay.
Okay.
Well, there's just like very bad things.
Like ask Bryson math problems.
Like, I just want to let you guys know, I really would like good questions in general.
And then someone commented, you know, sexually about Sarah and stuff.
It's all fun and games, but genuinely with these, actually, it was actually about John Miller.
So that's actually what it was.
No, but it's like, it's like, I just got to tell you guys in the audience, I appreciate the trolling.
I appreciate the fun.
It's always interesting.
But like, if you ever want to like, you know, contribute to the conversation, not just lambast people and make fun of people and like maybe actually, you know, get stimulated mentally.
Maybe at the next debate, try to actually add some good questions for people.
And perhaps if you approach some of the people on this panel with a little more good faith when asking questions or getting along with each other, nobody here is perfect.
I'm far from perfect.
And, you know, sometimes you think people are assholes because they're on the internet, but sometimes they're a lot nicer in person if you just DM them and try to figure out what's going on.
zach bonfilio
Anyway, shout out to my guest.
Yeah, sure, real quick.
I just wanted to say, as you brought that up, my opinion of you, Sarah, and obviously Bryce, and I'm glad we settled that thing, has completely changed just based off of this real in-life, like this is real life conversation.
And I think that that's a great thing.
So thank you for having me on because it really did, I think, a lot of good.
elijah schaffer
I do too, because everyone always thinks I'm like a fuck horrible person, which, by the way, maybe I am, but also at the same time, I'm also genuinely like just down to have normal conversations with anyone.
And so, you know, sometimes the internet makes everyone look a little bit more vitriolic and evil, but it's just the internet and it just exists on X.
I do agree with Bryson.
To end it, though, starting with John, Bryson, Misfit, and then Sarah, if people want to support you now, if they want to follow you, maybe they just got introduced to you or they want to send you hate mail, everyone here will take the engagement regardless.
John, how can they find and follow you?
unidentified
Miller stream on X or formerly known as Twitter.
elijah schaffer
Oh, that's it.
And how do you spell that?
So people that are listening on the audio?
jon miller
M-I-L-L-E-R-S-T-R-E-A-M.
elijah schaffer
All right, Bryson, same thing.
bryson gray
I would rather have these people not follow me.
Okay.
If you are somebody that believes in the Bible, because my tribe is people that keep God's commandments and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
So if you're part of that tribe, then follow me.
If you're part of any, any racial tribe or something weird, please don't.
elijah schaffer
Hey, Bryson, I'd love to have you back on too because Lady MAGA wants to come on for a debate about morality in the right wing.
And so, you know, maybe that would be good.
That would be cool to get you guys out in person, maybe both of you.
We could do it remote too, but it's always fun to have, you know, sitting at the table and there.
Anyway, Misfit, go ahead and let me dress like a man.
bryson gray
That's all the way I do it.
I'm serious.
elijah schaffer
I don't think I would want him dressed as a woman on the show in terms of like, it would just probably make everyone uncomfortable in the office.
So anyway, go ahead, Misfit.
zach bonfilio
Yeah, follow me on Rumble.
T-M-P stands for The Misfit Patriot.
T-M-P-Uncensored.
And on X, it's Misfit Patriot underscore Instagram, The Misfit Patriot.
elijah schaffer
Awesome.
And Miss Stuck.
sarah stock
Yeah, follow me on Twitter, Sarah Cstock, and on Instagram at sarah.stock.politics.
elijah schaffer
Anyways, you gentlemen and gentle lady, thank you so much for coming on.
Same thing goes with Misfit.
You know, I've done a lot of these things.
We used to do a lot of debates.
Bryson knows he was on debates back in the day.
Always crushed it, always killed it.
Make sure that you guys support the guests because a lot of people won't debate.
I even saw Joel Barry being like, I won't debate because it's not what I need to do.
Actually, you should be doing it.
If you go on the internet and you're spewing your ideas, then you should debate.
That's probably a good thing.
And not all debates are good faith, but these guys have all been really great and this lady as well.
And so please show them your support.
It's not financially or monetarily beneficial to be honest on the internet.
I can tell you that for sure.
It's better to griff, say Trump does no wrong or take the Democrat side completely or just, you know, put, you know, get a mega church and don't tell people about sin.
So if you want to support truth, support them all.
Bryson's got great music as well on Spotify.
You can check it out.
To the rest of you guys, thank you so much again for watching another episode of the Rift TV debate series.
Have a great rest of the week and may God bless the United States of America.
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