How ZIONISTS Captured the US Government | Guest: Clifford Kiracofe
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Recently, the public has been waking up to the extent to which Israel has captured U.S. politicians. But the question is - how? And what will the American people need to do to separate themselves from another nations interests?
Guest Clifford Kiracofe joins us TONIGHT on Slightly Offensive!
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The question as to whether Jews or Israel have too much influence in the United States and its government is in itself a controversial topic.
Some might even say that it's anti-Semitic.
To wonder why a foreign nation has hands and controls, as Thomas Massey put them, on individual members of Congress, or to wonder why a small minority and a group of people hold so much institutional power is to me a question of curiosity, one that you would expect as an academic, someone would simply have the answer to.
But to those in power, to people who seem to control the purse and the areas of influence, those questions are considered hate speech, which is more of a modern term coined to define any type of questioning or declaration of fact that offends people who are in protected classes.
So while this is a controversial subject, the question still remains to be answered.
Is it true that there is a Jewish influence that has surpassed its benefit in Western societies?
And is that benefit beyond just that of a culture on a social level?
Is it that we are at an institutional or government level that a foreign nation has occupied our government?
There's a new book out right now from Dr. Clifford Kirikov called The Dark Crusade, The Israel Lobby and Christian Zionism.
It is a fantastic read.
It is not too meaty for those that are looking for something as an introduction.
But for those that know a lot, this book contains quite a few new details that you probably didn't know before.
Now, to talk about this, I'd like to welcome the author of the book, Dr. Clifford Kirikov.
Actually, I started writing on this topic back in the early 2000s when we got ourselves into the Iraq and Afghan war, which was back in 2003, 2004 and all of that.
And one of the lobbies that lobbied Congress and the White House to get us into that war was a combination of the Christian Zionist lobby and the Jewish Zionist lobby.
And together, they're called the pro-Israel lobby.
That's the proper way to phrase it without being called anti-Semitic, I guess you could say, the pro-Israel lobby.
I chose to write on the Christian Zionist side of that lobby.
So that's what this book is about, how this very weird fundamentalist, supposedly biblically based ideology, political ideology got concocted.
And how did it spread across the United States?
And today, you know, leaders, the ministerial leaders like the Reverend John Hagee, well, he claims 40, 50 million believers in Christian Zionism.
And this relates to the concept of the end times and a big apocalyptic explosion, etc., and a big war.
And they believe we have to defend Israel.
And they believe that the Armageddon is going to take place, but they will go to heaven.
When Armageddon is over with, they'll come back down to earth with Jesus and live on earth again, bodily.
So it's kind of a bizarre ideology that was created in the early 1800s, spread to the United States during our Civil War era and after.
And the issue now, Elijah, is that, you know, we're faced with potential, potentially getting ourselves into a giant Middle Eastern war with Iran, for example, that could bring in Russia, could bring in China, could bring in, who knows.
So we're right at the edge of that, not to mention being at the edge of a major blow up in Ukraine to a global war.
So these are dangerous times.
And I'm glad that my publisher, Gray Delaney and Commonwealth Press House, was able to invite me to write the book and put it forward for people to get a better understanding.
I would say I worked for 10 years in the United States Senate back in the 1980s.
So I saw all this lobbying type activity of these groups firsthand.
And I felt it was sort of my duty to publicly step forward and present my research and experiences so people can understand where we are now as a country and how dangerous the situation is right now for us.
What I want to jump in and start talking about is, you know, the book is obviously called The Dark Crusade.
And you talk about how the world was awakened, particularly as Israel launched what many are calling a genocide in Gaza.
And I think it's intellectually consistent to at least say it's an ethnic cleansing, right?
Which I do know there's some structural differences to that, considering the fact that an ethnic cleansing may mean in some ways, not the complete death of people, but at least a destruction of their culture, their identity, and a diaspora to which they've lost their core central understanding, paired with death.
I believe we lean more towards a genocide.
But I want to, before we talk about that, I want to play a quick video here from an individual named Charlie Kirk.
He is a very strong Zionist.
He is heavily supportive of Israel.
But, you know, after the October 7th attack, it's just like January 6th or 9-11.
Whenever we start talking about an attack by its date, that is a common psyop that people use so that you cannot question the motives, the actions, or the aftermath.
But even somebody like Charlie Kirk early on when this happened was very quick to question, how did this attack happen?
And I want to play this on Patrick Bett David for those who are a bit skeptical of questioning Israel, a bit skeptical of questioning the narrative.
Listen to what somebody who supports Israel and has dedicated their life to their mission in American politics, what they had to say about the October 7th attacks.
When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially.
I find this very hard to believe.
I've been to that Gaza border.
You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier, right?
The whole country is surveilled.
And so, so let me just, let me just kind of go through this.
We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this.
The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war.
It's not an exaggeration.
This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because B.B. Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution.
That's not an exaggeration, right?
He said the judicial branch has too much power.
There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu, where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets.
That's all gone, Patrick.
Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.
I'm not willing to say, to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked.
Was there a stand down order?
Was there a stand down order?
Six hours?
I don't believe it.
Israel's the side of size New Jersey.
When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's 45 minutes.
So I'd like to join in here for a second, Doctor, and get your take on this.
So let's go start with now with the awakened.
We've called the red pill or the noticing, where people are waking up to something seeming very, very off, not only with our government support of the war overseas, but the war itself.
Do you think, and do you have evidence that would point to the fact that Israel either invoked or allowed or somehow encouraged this attack from Hamas?
Can you enlighten me on your understanding of what happened on October 7th and your understanding of what that's developed into today in terms of the conflict and U.S. involvement?
Well, first of all, you have to have the context that the Israelis, the Zionist government there, have always wanted to expand territorially.
And as you may know, as viewers may know, the Gaza Strip, as well as the West Bank, as well as East Jerusalem, are considered under international law as occupied territories.
And that eventually, according to the United Nations, eventually those occupied territories should be a Palestinian state.
So that's the international law context of Gaza.
It's an occupied territory occupied by Israel, the Israelis, militarily.
Now, in recent, since October 7, it's been leveled.
And referring to genocide, already the International Court of Justice has issued a preliminary opinion that it is genocide or is very close to it.
And a number of international lawyers organizations have stated that it is a genocide according to their interpretation of international law.
So I'm fairly confident that we can call it a genocide that's going on.
We can see it 24-7 online.
And it looks like World War II there in Gaza, it's leveled, like Dresden was leveled, or like the United States leveled Hiroshima, just vaporized the place.
So the objective of the Israelis, therefore, is territorial expansion into these areas that they now occupy, and they want to actually incorporate them illegally into the present state of Israel.
The October 7 situation was apparently, according to the Israeli press, was anticipated by their intelligence services.
However, higher-ups decided not to recognize warning signs that were given to them by lower-down intelligence agents, who...
who were surveying the region or surveying that area there, the border area.
So then the second thing of October 7th that's controversial was so many people were killed.
Well, Israeli press, Haaretz, one of the leading newspapers, has pointed out that the Israeli military used a particular doctrine that's pretty bloodthirsty in which the doctrine says, well, they can kill their own people if that will help them get after some terrorists.
So the mass slaughter that was done from the Israeli helicopters, the gunships, the mass slaughter of Israeli citizens was actually done apparently by the Israeli military using this doctrine that they have.
And prior to October 7, there were issues around the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is in Jerusalem.
I've been to Israel myself.
I've been up there by the whaling wall and the mosque and all of that.
There's a complex that involves the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
And Muslim people in their religion, those two places are very special, very holy.
And prior to October 7, extremist Israelis who want to tear down those buildings and build a third temple, those type of extremists were essentially going up to the mosque area in numbers and entering the mosque and kind of desecrating it, you could say.
And that goes on from time to time over there.
So it would be like a bunch of, I don't know, Nazis walking into the Vatican, you know, and roughing up some priests and messing up parts of, you know, St. Peter's, whatever.
That kind of a thing.
It's very sensitive to Muslim people, this particular part of Jerusalem, this particular mosque and Dome of the Rock.
So there was some incitement.
And the Hamas organization, which is a liberation, a resistance movement under international law, we need to be clear on this one.
Because Gaza is occupied by Israel, people under international law have the right to resist that occupation.
Let's think about World War II and France, which half of which got occupied by the Nazis.
Well, the French resistance grew up and became quite famous in defending France against the Nazi occupation.
So that same international law principle applies in the Middle East, in Israel, and in the occupied Palestine.
So Hamas, in international legal terms, does have the right to resist this occupation.
I believe they planned a small operation on October 7, kind of a camel raid, you could say, to grab some hostages and see if they could gain some political points that way.
And then the Israelis responded.
And then you have what we would call in political science, we might call that escalation happened.
And you had a very forceful, strong escalation, which was quite tragic, obviously.
And many people were killed initially in the early weeks.
And then the Israeli side just kept escalating and escalating and escalating with American weapons, bombs and aircraft and all sorts of things, missiles.
And now we have a situation where there's perhaps a couple hundred thousand Palestinians who are dead and wounded.
And many of them are under the rubble of the buildings that have been blown up.
So they haven't even been able to be given burial, or we don't even know who they are.
So that's the current situation.
It escalated very rapidly.
But this has always been a part of Bibi Netanyahu and the extremist political people there.
Their objective to gain territory, to make what is currently Israel, make it bigger physically, thus grab Gaza, grab the West Bank, which they are in the process of doing right now.
Cy Hirsch just wrote a piece on that in the last day or two.
They're in the process of grabbing the West Bank, which is also completely illegal under international law.
And the International Court of Justice has ruled in recent months that Israel is illegally occupying both Gaza and the West Bank and even parts of Jerusalem, and they should end their occupation.
I'll point out the occupation began in 1967.
There was a war back in 1967 that the Israelis attacked Egypt and quickly beat Egypt.
But in that war, Israel expanded its territory and occupied Gaza, parts of Jerusalem, and the West Bank.
So that's why we today, 60 years later, that's why we have the occupied territories that all this is taking place on right now.
So this idea of the Dark Crusade that they're currently under, that is, that's what Israel is under, right?
So one of the things that I want to bring out here, and I want to make sure that we understand this, is that this Dark Crusade is an Israeli interest, right?
This is a deep-seated blood libel interest of an ethnic group of people and their desire for their people.
So this Dark Crusade, though, obviously translates to American tax dollars, American military support, and the threat of a military intervention if anybody gets in the way.
So I want to begin by asking you about this.
What is the Dark Crusade?
We've kind of defined it already of the expansion, but how does it define the U.S.-Israeli relationship?
Can they be defined exclusively of one another?
Or is the U.S.-Israeli relationship fully dependent on our support for this Dark Crusade, considering the fact that, again, many of my colleagues call them our greatest ally.
So it would be expected that our relationship was equally a part of how they benefit us versus how we benefit them.
What is that relationship and how much does it relate to this Dark Crusade?
Well, let's take a look at historical context just so we see how we got here.
The British Empire became friendly with political Zionism, which was a political ideology invented in the late 1900s, late 1800s, and calling for, invented by Jewish people, particularly from Eastern Europe and Russia.
The idea was that Jewish people in the world should have a place in the Middle East to live and to go to.
because of anti-Semitism in the world, they would be safe if they would go to Palestine.
And so that's the basic idea of Zionism.
The word was created by one of their intellectuals because of the biblical reference to Zion, you know, promised land.
And so a Zionist could be Christian, could be Jewish, could be secular, could be Marxist, could be anything.
The Zionist would be somebody who would support the idea of Jews setting up a state, the state of Israel, in historic Palestine.
So that's how you get the concept of the Zionist political movement.
And there was a big conference in Switzerland in Basel in 1897 that formalized this political movement, which was international.
And a man by the name of Theodor Herzl was the leader of the movement.
At any rate, prior to World War I, the movement was very active in England.
And they were able to convince the British that, hey, if you would help us create Israel in what is today Palestine, that would be really good for your empire.
And we could be out there as an outpost for you guys.
And we could protect the Suez Canal.
And, you know, we'd be good for your empire if you would just help us create this place called Israel.
Well, the British elite, the politicians prior to World War I, 1914, 15, 16, and the run-up during the war and all, agreed that was a great idea for their empire, to be the protector of a Jewish state in what is today Palestine in the Middle East.
So that happened after World War I.
The Treaty of Versailles and the various peace conferences, etc., granted the British Empire what was called a mandate, but it's a protectorate over two places out there, what is today, well, historic Palestine, Israel, part of today, and Iraq.
The French got Syria.
So this was the imperial powers dividing up the Middle East.
And the Zionist movement, the political movement that created Israel, was protected by the British.
And fast forward to World War II, the British had a lot of trouble holding on to or keeping the peace in Palestine because as more and more Jews from Europe kind of emigrated there, there was more and more conflict with the native people, the native Palestinians.
And then the ratio of Palestinians to Jews flipped.
And now there became more Jews in the area than native Palestinian people, 1940s, World War II era.
And so after World War II, the British Empire decided, we just want to cut this loose.
We can't be their protector anymore.
We don't want anything to do with it.
So in 1948, the British gave up their mandate, gave up their protectorate.
But right then, the United States stepped in in the British role.
So President Truman immediately recognized the new state of Israel that was declared on 14 May 1948.
So what happened was the U.S. gets saddled with the mess.
that the British Empire had just gotten off their back.
So that's how the United States got into its relationship with Israel.
It was Harry Truman and a lot of pressure in Congress, which was pro-Israel, both because of the Jewish lobby and the Christian Zionist lobby.
Together, we can call that the pro-Israel lobby, which is a polite way of saying it.
It's not anti-Semitic.
So you can say pro-Israel lobby.
And that's how the United States got into this mess back in 1948.
And we've been in it ever since.
And both of those lobbies, or the overall pro-Israel lobby, as we know, is very, very influential in Washington.
President Eisenhower was the last president of the United States that resisted that lobby back in 1956.
The Israelis, the British, and the French attacked Egypt.
We were friendly with Egypt.
And Eisenhower was outraged that this war that they created in 56 was going to upset all of our interests, American interests in the Middle East.
So he was the last American president to really chastise the Israelis and draw a red line and force them to back off.
After that, of course, Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy was cautious as well, like Eisenhower.
However, he was assassinated.
And that brought Lyndon Johnson to the presidency.
This is the 1960s now.
And Johnson was completely pro-Israel.
And so from blank check from Johnson, and he backed them in the 67 war that I mentioned and all of that.
And so then you had a succession of U.S. presidents and Congresses who were completely pro-Israel from 1970s, 1980s, 1990s.
Particularly, the Christian Zionists entered the mix in Washington in the 1980s.
I was there at the time in the Senate and witnessed all this going all around me.
The Zionist, Christian Zionist lobby.
Also, obviously the Jewish Zionist or Israeli lobby and the Israeli embassy and all that stuff.
And so the Christian Zionist side, and I document all this in my book, the Christian Zionist side became very powerful in Washington in the 80s.
And as I said, they're the ones that support Israel because they believe we're in the end times.
There's going to be a big war, an apocalyptic situation.
And actually, they like that because the quicker the war comes, the quicker Jesus will return to earth, they say, something along those lines.
That's kind of a strange ideology.
I would say that that is what is called eschatology in the world of theology.
And that eschatology is regarded by all mainstream religions, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, all the Middle Eastern churches, the Coptic Church in Egypt.
That ideology is regarded as a heresy.
So all these people in terms of believing all this stuff about Israel and the end times and building a third temple in normal Christian tradition of the last 2,000 years, that's completely heretical.
Why?
Well, it was just invented, as I said.
It was invented in England in the 1820s, 1830s by a bunch of kind of nutcases who were into prophecy and all this sort of stuff.
And it came to the United States.
in our Civil War era from England, this sort of belief system, this weird fundamentalism.
It came to our country in 1850s, 60s, and after the Civil War, spread across our country through various seminaries, Bible schools, and all of this sort of stuff that taught this weird cultic thing that was invented in England in the 1820s and 30s.
And it was invented there to support British imperial policy in the Middle East.
Well, here we are in America, and we have the Zionists, Christian and Jewish, helping the American Empire, supposedly, in the Middle East, with Israel being our protectorate, just like the British had Israel or had Palestine as their protector.
So that may answer some of your questions, and we can go deeper.
And I think that it is interesting, right, as we talk about this, that we may have to do a part two to this interview as well, just on the timing of the show itself.
And the more information, the better, to be completely honest.
Because this is one of those shows that people are more likely to put on audio than they probably will watch, right?
You'll probably listen to the amazing influence that you have and the information.
And so as you're talking about this, you know, I think it's interesting.
I want to bring up an interesting tweet here.
You know, today in our world, we have a pretty influential system where the Israeli political system influences our government.
Now, obviously, the U.S. is occupied by Israel, according to this post, putting these posts in a thread so you can see our Israeli-occupied government in real time doing Israelis' bidding.
You have the DMFI, AIPAC, Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Jon Thune, Michael Herzog of the Israel Ambassador.
And it's looking and exploring some of the money, right, that our politicians have gotten from APAC, plus looking at some of the individuals who have influenced it.
You can find more of that link in the description.
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So you really can't talk about the government occupation.
You cannot talk about the government occupation without really talking about the Christian occupation in the United States, particularly the Zionist occupation of modern Christianity, which I think people don't talk about enough.
I don't think you would have Israel without American Protestants.
And I don't think that America would have any foreign wars in the Middle East without American Protestants.
So while they might be proud of their defense of Israel, they've also done that at the cost of many of their own people and over a million Arabs, which, you know, as Christians is sort of antithetical to our idea to be fighting for a nation that despises Christianity, some might say.
So interestingly enough, I'd love to ask your take on this.
How does the alliance between the Israel lobby and Christian Zionism develop?
Because that's something that is hard to understand.
And how important of a role does that relationship play between Zionists and American Christians in their grip on American politics and policy?
Well, it's a huge issue, and that's what I was trying to explain in my book.
And I focus in my book on the Christian Zionist side of the pro-Israel lobby.
I'm hoping to write a follow-up book that would focus on the Jewish Zionist side.
But this book is on the Christian Zionist side.
I would say, as I mentioned a little earlier, this 19th century, so it's infected a number of Protestant denominations for, well, since the 1850s and 60s and 70s.
So do the mass there.
So this weird cult spread into many churches and etc. across the United States, which then influenced Congress.
And after the World War I, I mentioned it before.
Congress goes back to the 1890s, as I mentioned, 1897.
In Basel, there were American representatives, famous Judge Brandeis.
He was a gentleman who became a Supreme Court justice, a very important Democratic politician as well.
But Justice Brandeis was kind of the leader, one of the leaders, but the most important political leader of the American Zionist movement.
And we're talking here prior to World War I. We're talking, you know, 1910, 12, 13, 14, like that.
And there were a number of rabbis who became pro-Zionist.
Now, within the Jewish community, back then, there's different branches of Judaism as a religion.
And there were the Orthodox people, there were conservative group, and there was the Reform group.
The Reform group was very moderate and liberal, and they opposed the crazy Zionists.
So within American Judaism, way back, many American Jewish people thought Zionism was crazy.
They were happy to be American citizens, but loved our country.
It was fine, you know.
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That was through the Rothschild family, who were very famous, of course, and very wealthy.
And they were very well connected to the British Empire and all the British politicians, the prime ministers, like Prime Minister Lloyd George and the various prime ministers.
So that group of Jewish banking interests in London who supported Zionism were buddies with the guys over here in New York City and Frankfurter who supported Zionism.
So what you have is the Zionist movement in England and in the United States worked together then to foster the development of the modern state of Israel.
And they had, you could say, a friendly alliance with the Christian Zionist leaders, different ministers, different church figures, and also political figures.
So it's kind of a marriage of convenience, you could say, or an alliance that both the Christian Zionists and the Jewish Zionists wanted to see the creation of a state of Israel.
And so they worked together.
So you could say they lobbied together and coordinated carefully together.
And we see that today as the interesting tweet that you just put up, very important.
The Open Secrets Organization in Washington, D.C. has tracked all the money that the Zionist lobby has given to our senators and our congressmen.
And that organization is called, well, one of the organizations is called APAC, that you mentioned, and that stands for American Israel Political Action Committee, APAC.
And viewers can just go to their website and take a look at where they're coming from.
And of course, there's many other donors supporting Zionism, but APAC is the most famous organization, but there's other organizations as well.
So APAC, essentially, if you take a look at Open Secrets Org, you can see, well, this congressman gets 50 grand.
Oh, that congressman gets half a million.
That senator gets a million.
That senator gets 50 grand from the APAC and other lobbies.
So there is transparency because of the Federal Election Committee, Commission, that they require in our elections those kinds of donations to be filed.
So you can research that from official American public documents.
And that's what Open Secrets has done that you pointed out, that group that's tweeting now uses their data.
So when I was in the Senate, I guess the last time that there was a kind of a little bit of opposition to Israel was back about 1981.
And we had a vote on AWACS, which was an airborne warning system, a very fancy kind of military technology.
And there was a proposal to give it to Israel.
And it was voted down.
Well, that's the last time that I can recall that anything military for Israel was voted down.
So that's been, what, 40 years?
So you have in Washington, D.C., unfortunately, these politicians are in the pocket of the pro-Israel lobby.
Make sure we say that now, pro-Israel lobby.
We don't want to be anti-Semitic.
And they do what the lobby tells them to do.
APAC is the fundraising organization that is the most influential.
But you have other organizations, Zionist Organization of America, ZOA.
There's a number of, you have the B'nai Bris, you have the Anti-Defamation League.
You have a lot of different lobby groups and advocacy groups in behalf of Israel and in behalf of Zionism, Israel being a project of the Zionists.
And nothing wrong with talking about Zionists.
President Biden himself has said he's a Zionist.
So it's nothing wrong using the word.
President Biden calls himself a Zionist.
So it doesn't seem to be very anti-Semitic to me.
At any rate, that's the situation we face in Washington right now.
The pro-Israel lobby can push a button and get 95% of the Congress to vote with them, which, as you mentioned before, that means that in a sense, we are, in a metaphor, politically occupied.
We are politically occupied.
Some people, lawyers and some observers, make the point that, gee whiz, things like APAC that support a foreign country actually should be registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
But somehow, APAC escapes being registered as a foreign agent.
It's a controversial matter, but people have raised that issue.
I noticed that I think it was Tom Massey, bless him, introduced a bill in Congress that people who are dual citizens of the United States and Israel have to reveal if they are a dual citizen or not.
Well, and I think that's fair because it could be counterintelligence issues there and so on.
So I guess it's kind of tragic what's happening in Gaza.
Horrifying if you follow it and watch the slaughter daily, but it is, I think, waking people up in the United States, particularly the younger generation and college students etc.
Are waking up to to this issue of Palestine and Zionism and the well Nazi-like behavior of Israel and the tragic situation of the Palestinians.
So maybe you could say Netanyahu's overplayed his hand, you know Bibi's overplayed his hand, but in fact I'm banging him right up.
You remember he came over here in July, I think it was, and he got 58 rounds of applause in his speech, congressmen and senators standing up clapping like seal trained seals, you know, in a, in a circus or something.
So, to make your point yes, there certainly is a profound degree of Zionist influence, controlling, controlling Congress, controlling the votes.
You could say influencing and that's another adjective you could use but influencing controlling lobbying, whatever phraseology you want to use.
What you said is is absolutely true, right and I think, interestingly enough, you know we talk about influencers today being sort of like online, you know, e-girls or people who are, you know, showing their breasts off for attention.
But the real influencers that we got to be worried about are the people that are, you know, influencing our theology, are influencing our understanding of government and are coming in and are taking advantage parasitically of our environment in order to you know, take advantage of our goodwill and use it to their discretion and their advantage, often to our own fault.
That being said, you know, I know that you talk a lot about Christian Zionism in the book.
Let's talk about their eschatology.
You know obviously, what is dispensationalist eschatology according to you?
And why do some Christian Zionists see Israel as a core tenant of their Christian beliefs, almost to that of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
They hold on to Israel like it's a sacred, divine place.
Well, first of all, let me state, I myself am a traditional Christian, so I take great offense at the, at this bizarre theology, which I, along with most major religions, regard as a heresy.
That was invented by a kooky cult in England in the 1830s 20s, 30s and 40s.
I'll tell you what happened in England.
A bunch of people got together at this guy's farm and they started thinking about prophecy and they they, they invented their interpretation of the Bible.
And they were looking at Ezekiel, they were looking at Revelation, they were, you know, cutting and pasting we can say different clips out of the Bible to kind of create this scenario this, this end time scenario, which is in theological times, it's an eschatology.
But at any rate, so they invented, it has nothing to do with the last 2,000 years of basic Christian theology and eschatology.
It's completely new and kind of crazy, you know, kind of delusional, like Ouija boards.
You can just see these Victorian people in England with Ouija boards and then thinking up all this dispensational stuff.
The idea is, and you can, viewers can certainly just go to Wiki and look up dispensationalism as the ideology, dispensationalism, and they can look up its main founder.
His name was John Nelson Darby.
I write about him in my book, John Nelson Darby.
So you can just go to Wiki and you'll get all sorts of stuff on it.
At any rate, what happens is John Nelson Darby was a priest in Ireland, in the Church of Ireland, but he got defrocked because of his weird beliefs.
So he created his own cult and he created the dispensationalist cult.
And the idea is that there's he, now get this, he invented the idea that there are seven periods of human history, seven periods.
And how does he know that, right?
So he says that God created seven periods of history and we're living in the last period, the seventh, the end times.
Now, how does he know that?
You know, this is sort of wacky Irish guy that got thrown out of his church, you know, hanging out with all these crazy people in this cult.
Anyway, so he becomes, he starts preaching this stuff all over England and everywhere in the 1840s and 50s.
And then he comes over to the United States, 18, no, Civil War era, and starts preaching this stuff in the United States and up in Canada, by the way.
And he influences, talk about influencers, he influences a lot of ministers who kind of buy into this.
And then they set up seminaries and Bible schools and this and that across the United States.
And they incorporate this weird end times stuff into normal Christianity.
But by incorporating the end times stuff into their doctrine, they become heretics.
And essentially, they propose that during the end times, during the end times, what is going to happen is we have to restore Jewish people from all over the world.
They have to be taken over to Palestine and gathered there.
So there has to be this ingathering of Jewish people from all over the world.
Well, maybe Jewish people don't want to be gathered to Palestine, but some do.
A number do.
I guess there's 7 million there now, so there's 7 million that are ingathered there.
At any rate, but not all in the world are there.
But the idea was, well, we've got to get all these Jewish people from all over the world into the Holy Land, into Palestine, and that will move forward, the end times clock.
It'll move forward the clock and advance the clock in kind of a countdown to the return of Jesus.
And then they interpreted the Bible that there's going to be this giant war over there.
And the giant war, the Antichrist, is going to trigger that.
And he's going to be somebody from Europe or the European Union or some such.
And at the same time, evil empires like Russia, China, and Iran, Persian Empire, these evil empires are also.
are going to attack Israel.
So there's going to be this giant conflagration with the Russian Empire, the Chinese, the Iranians.
Everybody's going to attack Israel.
And that will be the apocalyptic situation because you can have nuclear war or whatever.
Anyway, so there'll be this big war.
However, in their delusion or fantasy world, they believe that prior to all this, or even a little bit during it, true believers, that is to say themselves, because we normal Christians aren't considered Christian by them.
They only consider themselves Christian.
We're apostates, like that.
So they will actually go to heaven and escape this huge war that's going to go on in Israel and in the region.
They are going to float upwards to heaven.
Now, they're not going to wear any clothing.
The clothing will be left behind, but they will bodily ascend into heaven alive with, and then up there in heaven, they'll be with Jesus.
And then what's going to happen in their scenario is that under Jesus's leadership, there'll be a victory over all these evil forces, and then they can float bodily back down to earth and be with Jesus for the next thousand years of his reign on earth.
So this is kind of a bizarre scenario.
But, you know, back in the 1980s, this was a really big deal.
There were like Christian movies about all this stuff.
There were novels, a lot of novels, the Left Behind series of novels and all sorts of weird novels and videos that kind of projected this completely bizarre scenario.
However, the important thing about it is that in order for this scenario to work out well, we have to support Israel with weapons, because obviously if there's a war, Israel and the good guys are going to need a lot of weapons to fight the bad guys, to fight the evil empires.
So therefore, you got the lobby, the Christian Zionist and Jewish lobby, working together in Washington to promote more and more weapons sales, weapons grants, money, billions of dollars of our tax money to go to Israel.
So it's like giving, you know, and so Congress just, you know, votes, you know, with a blank check to Israel.
Why?
Because of this scenario.
I will, I don't like to mention anything nasty about people, but, you know, let's take a look at the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Well, Mr. Mike Johnson, you know, he publicly has said that we're a Christian nation, so we have to give all this stuff to Israel.
Well, just a minute here.
Where's the logic in that?
How would our fellow citizens who are Buddhist or who are Hindu or Sikh or Muslim or even Jewish who don't agree with Zionism or Christians who don't agree with Zionism?
What's Mike Johnson talking about?
And then when this fellow Thune, this Senator Thun or Thun, I don't know how you pronounce his name, T-H-U-N-A Thun.
Anyway, what does Thune do the first hours that he becomes the new Senate majority, Senate leader?
He telephones Bibi, Netanyahu, in Israel and tells Bibi, oh, we're going to support you.
Well, why is Senator Thune, the senator of the United States of America, making his first call to Bibi Netanyahu in Israel?
Quite bizarre, isn't it?
So at any rate, to follow up your thinking, yes, indeed, we are kind of mentally occupied.
The attack on Christian theology by these people, as I mentioned, started in about the 1850s, 60s, and then intensified certainly by the 1880s and 1890s.
So by then, there was support the minute the 1897 Basel conference that I mentioned to you, the World Zionist Organization Conference, the minute that conference took place, well, then all the American Christian Zionists said, oh, gee, well, we support that.
And so to give you the timing, you'd be looking at 1897 as one important date when American Christian Zionist pastors, leaders, cooperated with or supported the 1897 Mr. Hertzl's plea for creating a Jewish state.
I would say Mr. Herzl wrote a book called The Jewish State.
It was published in 1904.
So that's been an objective now for 120 years or more of this movement.
So what Bibi's doing, what Bibi's doing in Gaza and West Bank and Jerusalem and all that, has been their plan for the last 120 years.
And increasingly over that century or so, American politicians have been bought.
That's what you just pointed out a little earlier there with APAC.
American politicians have been bought and they don't represent necessarily the American national interest.
I would just parenthetically say as an American, if we look out from a foreign, my field is foreign policy, national strategy.
If we look out in the world over to the Middle East, there are four factors out there that our country needs to keep in balance.
We've got Israel, we've got the various Arab states, we've got the country of Turkey, we have the country of Iran.
So those four factors are the situation that we have to deal with over time.
We're 340, 50 million people.
Our republic has been around for a couple hundred years.
We're going into the 250th soon.
And so we have to be thinking in terms of, okay, what about the next 250 years, about the next 50 years, 100 years, or 20 years?
And we have to keep in balance our relationships with the Arab people.
And by the way, you know, most of the Arab world is Muslim, but there's a considerable portion of Christians, Arabs as well.
People forget that.
Many Palestinians, by the way, are Christian.
They've been Christians since the time of Christ.
So we have to bear in mind then that the Turkey, Arab states, Israel, Iran, and keep all that stuff in balance.
But what we've done is the Zionists have bought Congress and bought the White House, basically.
And thereby, we've tilted too much or exclusively. to one of those four components, Israel.
Whereas we should have what used to be called a balanced foreign policy in the Middle East.
And I would add one thing that's, I think, very important strategically to think about.
The Zionists to protect Israel want to wreck U.S. relationships with major countries.
So major powers like Russia or China.
Why is that?
The reason they want us to have bad relations with Russia and China and other major, maybe India, whatever, countries, is because if the United States, Russia, and China would get together and work with the United Nations, you could have a peaceful situation, a peaceful settlement out there in the Middle East.
Because it takes the big boys, the big powers, U.S., Russia, China, it takes the big powers to lay down the law with helping the United Nations create a peaceful situation in the Middle East.
So this gets us into another aspect of our foreign policy, but we'll just stick with the Zionist stuff.
And you're right.
Congress is bought, the White House is bought.
We'll have to see what happens in the Trump administration.
Certainly, Mr. Trump, I believe, very sincerely wants peace in the Middle East.
I think he's very sincere about that.
That's true.
But who's he hiring for his administration?
We're going to get more stuff like John Bolton and some of the crazies, you know?
So I hope that President Trump can realize his vision of peace, but it's certainly not going to be, he's not going to be helped by the Zionists.
And Doctor, you know, I think we're going to have to do a part two next week, which I think will be fantastic if you're up for that, because there's a whole section here I want to get into over, you know, Jewish and Israeli influence on U.S. foreign policy, influence on social fabrics of our culture, the way that they weaponize, you know, their control of speech and free expression, and also some of the consequences,
the social consequences and the day-to-day consequences that we face about that, the censorship, the lack of the expression of our own constitution, the jeopardy of World War III, and those things.
I think we can probably get into that on the next section.
This is your book, by the way.
People are looking here.
It's by Dr. Clifford Kirikoff, The Dark Crusade, The Israel Lobby and Christian Zionism.
I'm about halfway through it, and it is fantastic.
So I want people to let you know, though, it does take a bit of time to read if you're like me, because you do need to read some pages over and make sure you're like, did I read that right?
Do I hear what's going on?
And especially, because I grew up in like a fundamentalist Christian cult called Calvary Chapel, which is like the weirdest group of great people.
They're very great people.
They're very good-intentioned, lovely individuals.
They just have very strange eschatology, very strange soteriological views as well.
And it often leaves you very confused growing up rather than grounded in the word and more solidified in your faith.
And so when you read some of this stuff, it's hard to grapple with, but it's good for the mind.
So just, Doctor, if people want to find you and support you, and if they want to get a copy of the book, can you let them know how they're going to be able to do that?
To be in touch through My publishing company, the publishing company that's supporting me, Commonwealth House Publishers, which is their address and contacts are in the book, Commonwealth House Publishing in Charlottesville, Virginia.
And that's a good way to get in touch with me through the publisher.
And I do have a little website that I, academic type website that I need to refresh a bit, but it's called the Washington Institute for Peace and Development.
And I have a little website with some reading, and I'll refresh it for next semester.
But that might be of interest to people.
And also you can kind of Google me and you'll find some of my articles I write for various publications.
And so once in a while you'll bump into some of my, I write on foreign policy.
That's my main field.
I'm not a scholar in the field of theology, which is completely different than political science and diplomatic history.
But I'm interested in theology.
And I've had many, a number of family members have been in the ministry, various churches, Protestant churches.
So I do have an interest in theological issues and making sure that our Christian churches and Christian faith is strong, but also correct and does not get misled by the wolves in the sheep's clothing.
That's what we're having a problem today is the wolves in the sheep's clothing misleading sincere Christians who want to do the right thing and believe the right thing, but sadly they're being misled and need to maybe refocus a bit their thinking.
And hopefully there are a number of books, you know, a number of scholars who do specialize in theology that have explored the problem of Christian Zionism from a theological point of view.
And I would really recommend reading some of them.
I've been influenced by an Anglican priest in England, Father Stephen Sizer, S-I-Z-E-R.
And he wrote a book a number of years back on the road to Armageddon, Reverend Stephen Sizer.
And that'll give you his kind of Orthodox presentation and critique of Christian Zionism.
And there are other in the ministry, in various Bible schools, et cetera, who have written against Christian Zionism.
And it would be useful to follow up with some of those folks as well in your reading when you're on that side of the equation.
What I do in my book is more history-oriented, political science-oriented, particularly history-oriented, just to sort of just to sort of bring together this last 150 years where the phenomenon of Christian Zionism has entered into British politics and then after that into American politics.
And that being said, for the rest of you guys who are here, don't forget that if you want to support us here at censored.tv, you know, we're trying to bring to you these topics that are quite, you know, difficult to digest.
These are things that people want to talk about literally all the time.
Now, here's slightly offensive.
We talk about everything, right?
And it's important.
We talk about, you know, Israeli influence.
We talk about, you know, the foreign lobby, what's going on in the military-industrial complex, the war in Ukraine.
This is the only topic that people get really sensitive on the right wing that we talk about.
I don't know why.
I mean, I know why.
You're brainwashed and you guys are, you know, a bit mentally handicapped in terms of your abilities to comprehend ideas outside of sometimes not you guys, but people, you know, in the community are just like so dumb when it comes to this issue.
They cannot comprehend something outside of their wheelhouse.
And so some people even disagree with some of this stuff.
How do you disagree with facts?
Like, how do you disagree with what's really going on?
Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, I guess, is a subjective debate point that we can all agree to disagree on.
But I mean, Israel does have the influence in our government through its lobbyists.
It has influence in our institutions through ethnic representation and, of course, through institutional control.
It bullies our media, controls our media, has to do with advertising, et cetera.
I mean, them and the pharmaceutical companies have so much influence.
Why when I talk about pharmaceutical companies?
No one cares, but talk about Israeli influence.
Everyone cares.
I don't really know, besides the fact that people don't like their worldview rocked and they like to believe lies.
Anyway, my name is Elijah Schaefer.
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