Is Palestine OCCUPIED Territory? feat. Scott Horton | Nightly Clips
Scott Horton joined the show last Thursday to discuss if Palestine really was occupied territory, or if it's all exaggerated propaganda.
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You know, Ben Shapiro likes to say, well, what would we do if Mexico or the Mexicans were firing rockets across the Rio Grande at us?
But see, the implication is that you're talking about Mexico City.
You're talking about the national government of Mexico and its military attacking across the Rio Grande.
Well, in that case, we'd kick their ass is what?
But that analogy is inapt.
It is just not apt.
What we're talking about here, in the case of the Gaza Strip, this is an Indian reservation.
This land was already conquered 10 years, nine years before I was born in 1967.
And so, you know, the whole controversy, of course, goes back to 1948.
But when they conquered the place in 48, they cleansed the land of almost all the Palestinians on the land that they took.
So that what they had was about a fifth of the population.
20% were Arab Muslims and Christians, and the other 80% were Jews.
So they could have a Jewish democracy.
And at that time, Jordan controlled the West Bank.
And sorry, from your point of view, Jordan controlled the West Bank, and Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip.
But then after the 67 war, Israel took total possession of the West Bank and Gaza.
But they weren't able, and they did cleanse about 250,000 more people, but they weren't able to cleanse them all.
So what did they do?
Elijah, essentially, what they did was they kidnapped them all.
They took that land, but they took all the people.
And then, but what are they going to do with them all?
And the idea was eventually they'll just lay down and die.
I don't know.
Eventually they'll just give up and flee to Jordan.
Eventually, they'll just, I don't know what.
We'll figure it out over the long term.
But so this is what's the important point for people to understand is that, so back to Ben Shapiro in Mexico, rather than America being at war with Mexico in the analogy, this would be like if America was just at war with a Navajo reservation out in Arizona.
And we had them surrounded by a giant concrete wall and we just kept bombing them and bombing them and bombing them.
Totally surrounded.
Fish in a barrel, right?
That's not a war.
That's a slaughter.
That's like the Attica prison uprising when Governor Rockefeller just sent the National Guard in there to massacre everybody, guards too, right?
It's a massacre.
It's nothing like an actual conflict.
What happened on October 7th?
Why do we call it October 7th?
Because it was over by supper time.
That's why.
We don't even call it, you know, the bad, really, second week in October.
We call it October the 7th because it didn't even last for one full day.
Because what had actually happened was the strongest gang in the prison broke out of their pen and then they were bombed and chased right back in again.
Yeah, also, I think, you know, which we know and it's been confirmed that a lot of the carnage and the images that are shown of like cars on fire and stuff was the attack helicopters from Israel.
And Israeli media has described this over and over again.
And a lot of great American journalists as well.
Max Blumenthal, the Grey Zone, Ali Abu Nima from Electronic Intifada, Brad Pierce, the Wayward Rabbler, also had a great thing all about this from the very beginning.
And then Wynette and Haoretz and others in Israel, including, I believe, the Jerusalem Post as well, have all covered this as well.
It's called the Hannibal Directive.
And it was invented because in, I forgot what year, but in the W. Bush years, I guess, or maybe early Obama, an Israeli soldier was kidnapped, Elad Shalid or something like that.
And they had to trade him for like a thousand Palestinian prisoners.
And so they adopted a new policy called the Hannibal Directive that says if an Israeli soldier is being abducted and taken by Hamas into Gaza to blow him away along with his captors so as to not put Israel in such a compromised position.
But then here's what happened on October 7th.
They changed the order from the Hannibal Directive to what they called mass Hannibal.
And that meant not just killing one soldier if somebody grabs him, but that means blowing away anybody who they think has been kidnapped by Hamas or any Hamas vehicle headed back toward Gaza, even though they may or may not know who is in the car with them, including people who were kidnapped.
And it's also the case that tanks were used against the houses at the kibbutz.
And all of this is in Israeli media.
I don't know the total number of people, but it's clearly dozens or scores of Israeli citizens who were killed, possibly as many as 100, killed by their own government.
And I want to bring this up, which is actually pretty crazy.
So it's pretty remarkable.
So I don't, did you see this from the gray zone about this story?
Okay, so this is really important because the gray zone has exposed a few of my friends, let's just say, were targeted by the Center for Countering Digital Hate.
Okay, so this is a censorship directive that was uncovered.
And the Center for Countering Digital Hate is the people, people might famously know them during the OK Groomer phase of Twitter, which was kind of cringe, but they essentially put a list out of accounts that were anti-LGBTQ, and they got a bunch of people censored, deleted off of Instagram and stuff.
Also, them and the ADL were behind getting a bunch of people banned, like Paul Joseph Watson, et cetera, for arbitrary reasons, not because they did anything bad, but because of who they were off-platform.
So the Center for Countering Digital Hate is led by, I think, a Muslim guy, I'm pretty sure, in the UK.
And they've been extremely influential in the United Kingdom and the United States in getting right-wing and nationalist people shut down.
Well, I mean, obviously, it's not fun thinking about the UK, you know, being involved online with shutting people down, but there's a bit of a connection there, right?
The UK and the United States share intelligence.
We're the five eyes.
And, you know, most of our tech companies have offices there.
You know, I mean, it's a, it's definitely a strategic partner and trade partner.
Well, it turns out that leaked emails expose collaborative efforts between Israeli government and the Center for Countering Digital Hate.
Emails obtained by the Grey Zone reveal how leading anti-hate campaigner Imran Ahmed collaborated with Israeli embassy officials to censor pro-Palestine social media accounts and courted them for donations to a censorship obsessed center.
Since emerging in America from seemingly out of the blue in 2020, the Center for Countering Digital Hate has become a transatlantic establishment most effective tools for censoring online speech.
So it's now it's now a, oh, he's, wait, he's moved to DC.
Oh, I didn't know he's there.
Oh, he's back in London.
Okay.
Okay.
But that's, so I guess he's a London citizen, but he's operating in the U.S. now.
So it's like, this is like the, people might not know about this.
The ADL gets too much credit.
The Center for Countering Digital Hate does a lot of bad to censor, you know, ideas.
Well, it turns out that the Israeli government is directly petitioning them to ban critics and they're going to the tech companies and they're obliging.
So people go, well, why do you want Israel?
And they did it to some of my friends.
In this uncovers, a couple of my friends got their lives ruined.
One person ended up having health issues over this as well.
I'm not going to get too in the details, so I don't out who they are, but over what they did to their life.
And I was like, the Israeli government is ruining my friends' lives.
Now, on top of just like the idea of killing innocent people, people can say, well, I don't care about what's going on in their country.
The censorship in our country is being spearheaded by the Israeli government.
Seriously, as annoying as all the wokeists are for trying to censor people for saying not politically correct things, having a foreign national government intervening in the United States with American companies to silence American citizens is absolutely outrageous.
And that ought to cost just that alone.
Never even mind the slaughter of 100,000 innocent people over there over the last year and a few months.
Just their war against our First Amendment and our sacred right of free speech ought to be the end of any goodwill that Americans have for this terrible little country.
I mean, so many names something Israel has ever done for the United States of America.
People say, oh, well, they helped Obama arm al-Qaeda in Syria, but that was Obama helping them.
That was because Bush had empowered the Shiites in Iraq.
So Obama was helping make up for it by taking them down a peg in Damascus.
That was Israel-centric policy, trying to break the Iran-Damascus, Hezbollah axis there.
So what have they ever done for us?
Someone on Twitter said, well, what about Egypt when they fought Egypt for us?
But we could have been friends with Nasser if it wasn't for Israel.
We'd have never had to push him toward the Soviet Union in the first place back then.
This is all in, there's a great book called Devil's Game by Robert Dreyfus, where he shows how we didn't have to be enemies with Egypt in the first place.
Anyway, so then you say, oh, well, oh, good thing Israel was there to help limit Soviet influence when they were the whole reason that America had pushed Egypt into Soviet arms in the first place.
And on and on.
That's it.
I can't think of a thing.
You know, we did Iraq War I and Iraq War II very much under Israeli influence, especially Iraq War II.
But they couldn't fight in either of those wars.
We couldn't bring them with us to help in the war.
That would have blown up the whole war.
That would have made it 100 times more difficult because of how obvious it was that we were doing it to serve Israeli interests.
So we did it for them.
There was this great historian who wrote a thing in the American Conservative in 2003.
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He said, I've been a student of world history my whole life.
