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Aug. 3, 2024 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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WTF.. Dudes BEATING UP Women in The Olympics? | Guest: Richard Hanania

SPECIAL CENSORED.TV EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: Taking a break from the show tonight: enjoy this CENSORED.TV preview! Right after the Olympic kerfuffle with the mockery of The Last Supper.. It looks like the Olympics have gone WOKE. At first it was on a smaller basis with High School sports, but now they’re putting biological MEN to compete against women.. in BOXING no less. Also.. can the right wing ever escape their kookery, and will it affect the upcoming election? Richard Hanania joins us for a CENSORED.TV preview! __ ⇩SUPPORT THE SHOW⇩ ➤ JOIN CENSORED TV: Watch this FULL EPISODE ad free + EXCLUSIVE content at https://censored.tv/ promo code “OFFENSIVE” for 20% - Keep free speech media alive! ➤ JOIN THE PRIVATE LIVE COMMUNITY: https://elijahschaffer.locals.com/ ➤ NOTICER T-SHIRTS / MERCH: https://slightlyoffensive.com/ __ ⇩ SHOW SPONSORS⇩ ➤ UNDERTAC: Get the best pair of boxers in America that are breathable, don't ride up, and last the test of time. Plus, they are battle forces tested. http://www.undertac.com for 20% off with the offer code OFFENSIVE20. Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. ➤ THE WELLNESS COMPANY: Be prepared for what is coming next! Order your MEDICAL EMERGENCY KIT ASAP at https://www.twc.health/offensive and enter code OFFENSIVE for 10% off. The Wellness Company and their licensed doctors are medical professionals you can trust, and their medical emergency kits are the gold standard to keeping you safe! Again, that’s https://www.twc.health/offensive , promo code OFFENSIVE. ➤ PARASITE CLEANSE: What if I told you - there is a hostile alien species that controls your appetite, emotions, sleep and focus - destroying your body from the inside out. PURGE SUDDENLY - Remove the parasites today! https://www.purgestore.com/ - Promocode ELIJAH for 10% OFF! ___ ⇩ELIJAH’S SOCIAL MEDIA ⇩ ➤ X: https://X.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/SlightlyOffensive ➤ INSTA: https://www.instagram.com/slightlyoffensive.tv ➤ TELEGRAM https://t...

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elijah schaffer
Welcome back to Slightly Offensive.
I'm your favorite host, Elijah Schaefer.
This is the best worst show on all of Censored TV.
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Today, my guest, who I'm going to introduce in a little bit, is no stranger to both being critical of the left and the right.
Today, we're already seeing such madness as there was a boxing match in the Olympics where an individual who some are calling transgender, some are calling intersex, and other are calling a woman, beat the living shit out of a woman in about 46 seconds.
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Watch all right.
elijah schaffer
So, here's the deal: what we're dealing with today is we're living in a world where we can't tell who's right and who's wrong, who's left and who's right, whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans.
Is it Hamas or is it the Jewish people that are the problem in the world?
And to talk to someone probably as problematic as I am and no stranger to controversy, but is a brilliant writer, a linguist, and has the ability to capture audiences.
Richard Hananyo, welcome to Slightly Offensive.
richard hanania
Glad to be here, Elijah.
elijah schaffer
So, for people that don't know you, you wouldn't be a typical guest on this show, or you wouldn't even people like you typically won't even go on a show like this because we've lost all dialogue.
But I happen to love and respect people who think differently than me.
And to kind of give your credibility and your background, I know you're an author, you're an academic, but why don't you introduce yourself?
Tell us a little bit about the work that you've done and your background and sort of why you were invited on today, as in your credentials.
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to talk to anybody who is, you know, willing to talk as long as there's not somebody else, not an obvious schizophrenic or anything like that.
I am a person who a lot of people probably know from Slop Stack or Twitter.
That's where I spend most of my time these days writing.
I'm an academic before that.
So, I went to law school.
I got a degree in political science.
And then I started writing online.
That took off.
And that's what I've been doing ever since.
There's not much to it besides that.
elijah schaffer
Well, I know as I mentioned, I was joking about being problematic.
I just know that you are unafraid to say something that other people disagree with.
And I think that's a kind of interesting thing.
So politically speaking, do you identify politically as like left or progressive?
Or where do you stand on your political pronouns?
richard hanania
No, I mean, I'm pretty much a conservative.
I mean, I'm a libertarian.
I don't say, you know, conservative.
I tend to have libertarian policy views on most things.
But, you know, that also me, a libertarian also means being critical of conservatives in certain cases.
I think a lot of people these days, they go to one side or the other.
So even if they call themselves libertarians, they'll look the other way whenever conservatives, you know, don't align with their principles.
But I think that one thing I do is I'm, you know, I stick by my principles and I don't try to, you know, kiss up to one tribe or the other or try to play to one audience.
But I'm a pretty standard libertarian in most of my policy views.
elijah schaffer
See, and I like that.
I don't know where I fall on my political pronouns.
Like, I mean, I've never been a big fan of the Republican Party either.
I just registered Republican in 2016 to vote Trump in the primary, but I'm a little bit disillusioned, Richard, with the way the world is going.
And I want to jump into a hot topic here.
We'll talk about your book.
We're going to talk about a lot of crazy stuff, but today we're going to kind of be, I wouldn't say poking at the right, but we've got to look at where we're weak and what's going on.
And I want to talk about this gender topic with you.
It's a lot of people think it's already overplayed, but it's back in the news, unironically.
And I want to start here.
So you obviously have this boxer, Angela Carini.
Sorry to my Italian viewers.
I'm sure it's pronounced differently.
But apparently she had her dreams shattered by this person, Hazel, saying, Emain Khalif, a male boxer.
That's a key word there.
Male boxer.
It is suspected that he broke her nose.
Don't let this pass quietly.
Men should not be allowed to beat women for sport.
Save women's sports.
So, as much as i'd love to just start discussing uh, transgenders and sports, there's a bigger problem here than just this question.
Um, people are not sure if this person, Imain Khalif, is actually transgender.
According to Hayden Clarkin says that, mean Khalif is actually biologically a female.
She played in the 2020 Olympics without outrage, being trans in Algeria, is subject to jail.
And then, going back further, there's our good friend Richard says she actually has xy chromosomes intersex.
richard hanania
So i'm not actually sure it's it's come.
So i've, you know, not done a lot of research on this.
So I looked at the Wikipedia page and this is not like a standard story where, like a man you know decides one day i'm, you know, trans and then goes and go into the UFC and fights.
This is not like a typical case like that uh.
So this person uh competed in some international boxing um event in 2023, and the person who involved was involved in that said that they had xy chromosomes that have usually high uh testosterone.
Now somebody actually said that this was this guy was like a sort of a Putin stooge who said this, and they never released the uh, the data, I don't know.
I mean it's it's it's, i'm not sure uh, but yeah, this is not a typical case of, just like a trans, this.
There's some ambiguity about who this person is because yeah, a trans person is not going to be competing from Algeria just like a normal trans person.
I mean, this person's probably lived as a female their whole life.
elijah schaffer
Well yeah this, this is a very interesting um discussion here because, on one hand, if this person's intersex people don't know right, you have you, you can be intersex, you can have uh, multiple duplications of many different sex chromosomes, including xx x y, and continue on with the amount of variations, and you'll have a different sort of um expression.
I would say, you know, sometimes they're born with smaller breasts and some sort of an underdeveloped like test, a male test uh, testicles.
Sometimes they're born with a vagina and then they're, you know, still born with, like a male chest.
I think that's sort of like Brittany Griner um type of thing.
So I want to get your opinion on that because uh, you know, on the flip side we'll talk a little bit later about the, the trade uh with Russia today, with our, our prisoners um, but obviously famously, we had Brittany Griner the chick, the lesbian chick from uh, the WNBA who talks like a dude, and then we see shirtless pictures and it looks like a dude's chest barreled literally more masculine than me.
So my question to you is like, is that a thing?
I mean is, is this more common than we think about people with intersex uh, you know, sort of playing in these women's sports, and should we approach that the same way as we approach transgenders or biological males?
richard hanania
Yeah well, the whole debate about women's sports and trans women and sports, it's always been very interesting to me because it's like women's sports are like this category of people who are not as good as the best people in the world.
Right, you could have female sports, so you have.
Like, you know, if you could have sports for people you know you could have an NBA basketball league for men under six feet tall right or people who are overweight.
Like we don't do that.
We generally set aside and say this is a, this is a woman's space um, and so like we're already sort of constructing this world where like, women can play or compete against other women And then like, it's up to us what kind of rules we want to send to that.
So there's no right answer to that.
Like, you know, 99 point something percent of people are clearly male or female.
Some percentage is not.
And it's probably not that common.
But like in sports competitions, you know, you'll think in something like the WNBA.
WNBA is like, you know, very interesting because it's a very kind of maleish sport, right?
Like it doesn't sort of reward kind of the things that women are tend to be better at, which is like lower body strength.
It's about being tall, skinny, fast.
These are generally male traits.
And I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, intersex people have a huge advantage there.
So what do we do about that?
elijah schaffer
I don't know.
richard hanania
I mean, like, if a woman is born, like she has an unrest, she's, you know, she's a boxer.
She's born seven feet tall, right?
That's like a freakish thing.
That's, you know, you could say that's quote unquote unfair.
But, you know, all of sports is about biological unfairness, right?
So I don't, you know, I don't have like a strong opinion on these things.
I do think if we're going to set aside women, I don't think a sport for women, you can't just wake up one day and say, now I'm going to be a female powerlifter.
That's, that's pretty ridiculous.
But then you have these intersex people.
I don't know.
I mean, I got to, I guess it's up to the organization, the Olympic committee or whoever's in charge.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, look, hey, this is what I think is kind of, I've been, I've been, I've been really disillusioned with a lot of my good friends and everybody recently because like, I guess maybe because I'm a new father and I have a second kid on the way.
My brain's changed, right?
It's so, I mean, it's like a second puberty.
It really is.
When you have kids, you regrow your perspective, your worldview.
And when I see this issue, I'm like, you know, I kind of want to know the truth here.
So what is this?
Is this person intersex?
What do we do about this?
Because everyone's freaking out about it.
I don't want to just play on the outrage train here.
I want to know what's really going on.
And I think it's funny because this is one of my friends here, Shire Rashik, and lives at TikTok.
He also lives right next to me.
Was like, yeah, has a Democrat condemned this?
And Richard, it's like, what does, okay, this is a French Olympics.
And this is a, I think an Italian woman, right, fighting an Algerian intersex person.
And it's like, have the Democrats weighed in on this?
Sometimes to me, it's just like, I feel like we're just kind of ridiculous.
Like, this is, this is insane.
I hope she didn't.
I think she probably didn't write this.
Maybe one of her staff did, but this is like, this is ridiculous.
richard hanania
Yeah.
I think there's a problem with right-wing media in that they see, you know, they are very, you know, there's lumpers and there's splitters and people thinking there's some people who say, let's consider issue by issue.
And there's some people who just want to put everything into the same category.
And I think a lot of conservative media, a lot of conservative influencers are in the lumper category, right?
They see one thing going wrong anywhere in the world and they say, oh, why isn't the Biden, you know, why doesn't the Biden administration taking a position on this?
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty ridiculous.
I mean, you could have an opinion that, you know, that tall Algerian woman, I suppose, whatever their gender is, you know, shouldn't participate.
Is this something that Biden needs to have a press conference about and start banging on the podium?
No, not necessarily.
I mean, the girl sports, the women's sports thing is funny because I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when I was growing up, Title IX was this thing which basically destroyed men's sports because there was a civil rights law covered in my book that basically said that you have to have equal number of male and female athletes in universities.
And what they did was, because they couldn't get women as interested in sports as young men are, they would start abolishing male sports.
So like wrestling, like many fewer colleges ended up having wrestling programs because there weren't, you know, they just had to cut something.
And for a long time in conservative media, Title IX was like a dirty word.
Title IX was like this ridiculous form of social engineering.
He told us that male and female sports had to be exactly equal.
And then somehow, you know, in the last like, I don't know, five years since this trans issue came about, it became save Title IX, save title nine.
So you have a very sort of a short attention span, sort of not much of not much of a memory there about sort of like where these things come from because a lot of women's sports is just civil rights nonsense, to be honest.
elijah schaffer
I know.
And that's why when I see this, I'm like, chat, is this real?
Kamala Harris supports it.
This guy Gunther Eagleman said.
And it's like massive account, you know, 794,000 and followers.
I mean, that's a huge, huge.
richard hanania
Well, he follows 100,000.
I think that's a bit of cheating.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, that's weird.
How is that possible?
Because I think if I go to mine, I mean, I think that's pretty normal, right?
I follow like 1,035.
richard hanania
Well, I think because they get followbacks, right?
If you just want to maximize your follow, you'd follow everyone and then hope some of them follow you back.
I think that's what that is.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but who cares?
Like, then that's my point.
Is that like, like, you, you bring up a very interesting topic, which is, which is, I know it's the meme, right?
And we talked about this on the show yesterday.
It really pissed off all of my viewers, actually.
Everyone's mad at me from last night because I just called Vivek like a woke piece of shit.
And the reason why is because like he put up this tweet that was like, gay men, we want you to marry whoever you want.
Blacks, we want to spend time working on criminal justice reform and putting our money into your cities.
He literally goes, women, we want you to be able to play whatever sports you want.
And he did the meme, you know, the like the conservative in 2040 meme where it's like, we want to make sure our black transgender, you know, in vitro fertilized, you know, test tube babies have access to all human rights.
And it's like, what are conservatives conserving?
That's that's a really interesting question with the sports thing.
Like, I think it's really weird too that they all care about women's sports.
I want to go back to the days where we hated women.
No, I'm just kidding.
I just want to go back.
I want to go back to the days where like, why is it that we care about every other group except for men and for straight people and for white people?
I wish we were what the Democrats call us.
I wish we were racist, sexist, anti-Semitic homophobes.
I'm totally joking, kind of, but I mean, like, that would be kind of cool if we stood for something.
But to me, we're just sort of like a less woke version or like basically, we're like liberals from 1994.
I mean, they were more conservative than we are today.
Like that's, do you agree with that?
richard hanania
Yeah, I think that's true.
I mean, I think conservatives do move along with the times.
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I don't know.
richard hanania
I mean, you see a lot more at the same time, conservative media has become a little bit, you know, cruder.
I mean, I think that there, you know, there is more openly like anti-gay stuff than there was like during the George W. Bush time.
So it's sort of weird and like the policy has gone, you know, no, no Republicans talk about opposing gay marriage.
But like you go to online right and they're just like, oh, gay people are perverts and everywhere.
I mean, you didn't see they tended not to talk as much like that.
I saw Caitlin Jenner tweet today about the Kamala Harris, maybe we'll talk about this, that Kamala Harris, you know, she was never really black.
You know, just like, okay, like this is conservatism in 2024, like a transgender conservative activist being unsure, you know, being confused by the existence of somebody who's biracial, right?
I mean, so it is, I mean, I think the gay, I think the gay thing, I mean, I think that that's just, that's just a victory.
I mean, like, if you could just have gay marriage and nothing else, I mean, I think 95% of conservatives would be happy with that at that point.
They're just, you know, they're on to the next thing.
They're fighting on, you know, they're much further back on the ground that they're fighting now.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you know, you bring, you just like, like that, again, that's the meme, right?
Like our transgenders are hotter than your transgenders.
And like, our transgenders believe in not competing in the sports.
And you're like, hey, that's a pretty radical ideology that we should reconsider, whether we should be sanctioning, you know, people being transgender, whether we even believe that's real or not.
And you do get laughed out of the right.
Like, I don't know about you, but I feel like if you try to bring up those ideas, maybe they work in media, Richard.
Like maybe I could be crude on this podcast or we can say whatever we want.
I don't even know why I get considered edgy.
I feel like I'm not even an edgy person.
I feel like my podcast is very normal and we just have normal conversations, but whatever.
I digress.
It's like, you know, ultimately speaking, I don't really think conservatism is a thing in terms of policy, right?
We don't see a lot of like conservative policy, even with that, even with the whole book burnings, which they keep talking about at Kamala rallies.
Like those, that's like, that's like a district level, right?
That's like school boards and stuff.
That's not really universal policy.
I mean, maybe Florida has some policy, but on a federal level, maybe you have insight into this.
I don't see anything moving towards a conservative platform.
I see everything just sort of moving towards either liberalism or just, you know, hyper-progressivism or just slowing it down a little bit.
Like we're just putting the brakes on some of it, but there's nothing in the other direction that I've witnessed.
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, I saw when, I don't know if you watched the very funny Trump event of the National Black Journalists Association the other day.
But, you know, they ask him about, and he does have one thing.
He'll say immigration is bad.
He'll keep going back to that.
And then he'll say, I gave money to historically Black colleges and universities.
And then he will say, you know, I did all these, all this stuff for black people, all this black unemployment.
No policy.
I mean, Trump could not give them like a single policy.
And I think this is what happens.
I mean, I think the conservative, you know, I have an article that people might like called Liberals Read Conservatives, Watch TV.
And I think the difference is that liberalism is sort of an intellectual climate.
So you look at like liberals, they have like newspapers, they have like serious magazines, they have places like, you know, they have places like Box and New Yorker.
And even though they're biased in many ways stupid, they do do real reporting and they do sort of hold people accountable for like their ideological beliefs, right?
There is kind of like an intelligentsia.
And on the right, it's not so much.
I mean, the fact that Trump came out of nowhere, electrified the base in 2016, and was like against conservative ideology to a large extent was not considered like the most conservative person.
You know, it's a sort of a, you know, it's a kind of a culture that is less intellectual, that is more about, you know, what is on TV or what is on top radio or what is on internet memes.
And I think this is a problem with conservatism.
I mean, I think it is a, it is reactive.
I mean, it does get used to the last thing that happened and then wants to fight to the death on, you know, the next thing, but it's always negotiable.
I mean, when Democrats are all, liberals always have sort of, it's not like they, I don't know if it's conscious or whatever, but they do have like a consistent ideology, which pushes them in a certain direction.
So like they all believe in gay marriage.
unidentified
Okay.
They go and they fight for every single piece of gay equality they want, right?
richard hanania
They have the same thing on transgender.
They have these ideas about race.
And they've always been, you know, consistently in the last 15, 20 years, even longer than that, have been able to move the ball.
But that requires the prince sticking by a principle.
Even when it's politically inconvenient, even when it costs your guy an election or makes it harder to win or harder to appeal to moderates, I mean, they take those bumps, right?
They take losses on these cultural issues.
But then you wake up 15 years later and we're always a little bit further to the left because society moved because they were, you know, they were pushing in that direction.
And so, yeah, this is, I mean, this is conservative media.
I think it is, it is a problem with conservative voters.
And this is who they are.
I don't know if there's always like, you know, it's very interesting.
So like you look at like Daily Mail and you look at New York Post.
Sometimes they do good reporting, but they're also tabloids.
And so like conservative media and like the National Inquirer was like really into Trump.
And it's like the people who read tabloids are sort of the people who are into like conservative media.
It's like such an interesting overlap.
You don't see like the New York Times box slash like a tabloid, right?
They're actually serious papers doing their own serious reporting.
And so yeah, this is the audience.
I mean, it's like, you know, you have a, you know, if you have ideas, I think you have to sort of, you know, it depends on what your role is.
If you just want to entertain them, you can entertain them.
You could talk to them.
You could try to make them smarter.
You could try to bring smarter people into conservatism.
But then you have people in Washington who actually care about policy.
You know, when Trump gets into office, there are people who, you know, they will get their policy away because they're going to be the ones standing next to him and he's going to be appointing them to the State Department or whatever.
And so, yeah, there is an ideology there, but there's also an entertainment faction that sort of dominates the political discourse.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I would say, listen, I firmly agree with that because I was at the RNC and like if you listen to media, like conservative media, everybody's, you know, saying faggot this and fuck you and you know, saying nigga and shit and like on, you know, on X and everyone's, it's all edgy.
You know, if you're a white girl and you say nigga or you're a, or you a girl and you call someone a faggot, you're like the ultimate, you know, edge lord and you're so cool.
richard hanania
They made a girl just for that, just for the say of that word.
They made that girl like she had like 200,000 followers overnight or something.
elijah schaffer
It was right.
And then they freak out about the hock twa girl and you're like, well, typically as we, I mean, I guess everybody likes a good blowjob.
So I mean, I could get why, you know, people maybe were hoping she'd have an OnlyFans or something like that.
But I think it's kind of funny because you see that side of things.
And then when you go to the RNC, it's like you're at a Democrat convention from 2003 in terms of like, you've like, you know, literal socialist union boss speaking, porn stars.
Like everybody's like, you know, everyone makes a pronoun joke.
My pronouns are freedom.
And then, you know, they all have to use their race card.
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I'm Guatemalan, I'm Venezuelan, and I'm voting for Trump.
elijah schaffer
And you're like, all right, cool.
But this doesn't reflect what I see online.
And it makes me see the disconnect of like, there is a media entertainment.
You're right.
A total media entertainment arm that sort of reflects maybe a portion of consumerism, but that's definitely not reflective of the voter base.
And that's not reflective of the temperature of the country or the party.
So my question to you then is that is that who's really representing the people?
I mean, is the media the better reflection?
Is that more populous?
And the politicians are just disconnected?
Or does the RNC actually better represent the right-wing base and the media is just out of touch?
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a complicated question.
I mean, who is in touch with the base?
Like, who is the base?
Is the base just your median Republican voter?
I think that like boring politicians at the state level probably are the best representative of the Republican base.
But there's also a definition of a base of like the people who are most into politics and who are the ones who are going to, you know, watch your show or be tweeting and are going to follow Kat Turret on Twitter or whatever.
And those people, I think, are more about style than substance.
I think someone like Trump actually represents them perfectly because what they want to do is they want to be entertained and they want to own the libs and they want to see politics as sort of this tabloid sort of show where there's like this, you know, one great man fighting all the forces of all the forces of evil that are coming at him.
I mean, QAnon is this in sort of the extreme form.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's probably not, you know, if you want to make money in conservative media, you probably play to that.
You probably play to Trump worship and you play to day-to-day, you know, do what TikTok is doing.
If you want to win elections, if you want to be an effective leader, that's probably, you know, not the best strategy.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah.
And I think like, okay, like you mentioned, like with Trump, I think, I think it was Fuentes, Nick Fuentes, who put out who in Trump's campaign thought this was a good idea to put him in front of like a black journalist, you know, platform?
It's about two and a half minutes.
I know you've seen it.
I've seen it.
But for the lovely folks watching here on censored TV, behold, one of like the most ridiculous interactions.
Yeah, who thought this was a good idea?
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Is not true.
You have told four congresswomen women of color who were American citizens to go back to where they came from.
You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys.
You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist.
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Laga resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have used language like that?
donald j trump
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked the question so in such a horrible manner, a first question.
You don't even say, hello, how are you?
Are you with ABC?
Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network.
I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit.
I love the black population of this country.
I've done so much for the black population of this country, including employment, including opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever for black workers and black entrepreneurs.
I've done so much.
And, you know, when I say this, historically black colleges and universities were out of money.
They were stone-cold broke.
And I saved them and I gave them long-term financing and nobody else was doing it.
I think it's a very rude introduction.
I don't know exactly why you would do something like that.
And let me go a step further.
I was invited here and I was told my opponent, whether it was Biden or Kamala, I was told my opponent was going to be here.
It turned out my opponent isn't here.
You invited me under false pretense.
And then you said, you can't do it with Zoom.
Well, you know, where's Zoom?
She's going to do it with Zoom and she's not coming.
And then you were half an hour late, just so we understand.
I have too much respect for you to be late.
They couldn't get their equipment working or something.
unidentified
Mr. President, I would love to hear it.
donald j trump
I think it's a very nasty question.
I have answered the question.
I have been the best president for the black population since Abraham Lincoln.
unidentified
That's my answer.
Better than President Johnson who signed the Voting Rights Act.
donald j trump
For you to start off a question and answer period, especially when you're 35 minutes late because you couldn't get your equipment to work in such a hostile manner, I think it's a disgrace.
unidentified
All right.
elijah schaffer
You know what's funny, though?
I don't know if he realized that black people are often late to things.
And that's like probably came across super racist to people.
richard hanania
Yeah, he accused them of being on black people time.
And he called them deadbeats, too.
He's like the historically black colleges were, he said, called them stone cold broke or something like that.
And then I bailed them out like he's a payday lender or something.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I was like, I don't, sometimes I feel like, I feel like, I feel like it's people, and some people are like, it's such a win.
He won.
unidentified
And I'm like, you know, do you know black people?
elijah schaffer
Because I mean, your black person is like Sneeko and like Myron Gaines from Fresh and Fit, both good friends of mine, and I like them.
But that's not your average black people.
Or like, you know, like, like, black people don't take Ding disrespected real, real kindly.
Like, they do not take that.
And Trump was up there and you're going, I feel like, I don't know what's going on here, Richard, but I feel like that was a total L for his team, not for him.
I mean, I don't know who decided, but like putting him up there to me was a waste of his time and he was walking into a trap.
It was just ridiculous.
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know how to run a good campaign with Trump because he is who he is.
And it's not like he can like change who he is, right?
And so he's been the same guy for the last, you know, nine years of been in politics.
And he's always been pretty unpopular.
I mean, he won in 2016 because Hillary was always very unpopular too.
He was beating Biden just because people thought Biden was senile and couldn't do the job.
So like you asked me like, how should Trump run?
I'm unsure.
I think you've changed the focus to Kamala.
I mean, I think they're trying to change the focus from women's issues, which I think are the worst possible issues for Republicans.
If it's going to be, if racism is the only way to, you know, get off the women's stuff and the reproductive stuff, I think actually that's a good strategy.
But hopefully you would want something even better than that.
Yeah, I think you have to try to tie Kamala to Biden.
I think, you know, boring generally wins, you know, in politics.
I mean, I think people want someone who acts sane, but that's not Trump.
Trump is not going to be able to do that.
So I don't know if he's going to say crazy things.
He might as well go to the National Black Journal Association and like, you know, look tough and fearless while doing it, because I don't know if he could run any other way.
elijah schaffer
Well, I know.
And I think what's crazy, though, is a lot of what we're doing, I feel like it's just kind of useless.
Like this whole idea of like doubling down on Kamala isn't black argument.
richard hanania
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
I'm like, I don't even know.
richard hanania
What is the argument?
I don't even get it.
elijah schaffer
Me neither.
What is who's who, like, why does that even matter?
Like, it looks she has darker skin.
And people that have dark skin that are progressive or liberal are very tribal.
And they, everybody's tribal.
We've had identity politics for decades now, except for white identity politics.
But, but I don't know what that does.
Like, she's not black.
Wasn't she half black, half Indian?
Isn't that what she is?
richard hanania
Isn't she half Jamaica?
That is a black guy from, I think, Jamaica.
Yeah, that's not a dispute.
And, you know, I think he says she doesn't identify as black.
She went to Howard University in the 1980s.
It would be a pretty big coincidence.
She didn't identify as black and she went to Howard University.
So I don't even understand what this thing is supposed to be.
And then they tweet it.
They tweet like, here is her saying she's Indian.
It's like, yes, she's also Indian.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, because I was going to say, like, this is the mayor of Chicago.
I think it's, I think it's a dumb position because, yeah, it's like, well, she's not black.
All right.
Okay.
Like, okay.
Like, well, but well, what is what does that mean to you?
Because she looks dark.
So like, it's whatever, even if she was Southeast Indian.
But look at how the Chicago, look what they do.
They take race.
And this is what I was going to say.
People were mad at me last night, too, for agreeing that the white dudes for Kamala was a great, white dudes for Harris is a great idea.
Using identity politics on whites is fantastic.
The Republicans get accused of that.
They don't do it.
They should do it, but they don't do it.
Listen to the mayor of Chicago just straight up race bait everybody.
This is like, this is like the good shit.
This is how he riles up the base.
Watch this.
brandon johnson
But he ran into blackness and he felt it.
He felt the heat, the unconditional love, the masterpiece of the black woman that only an amazing God can take an Indian and a Jamaican and create somebody in his image.
A black woman.
elijah schaffer
It is, it's performative.
It's crazy, but it works.
I mean, like, they're playing the right race car.
That's my opinion is the left plays all the right games and they have the right tools and they just execute it flawlessly.
And we're over here trying to say that Democrats are the real racists.
I feel like that's just a losing platform in 2024.
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, I'm from the South suburbs of Chicago.
When I see Brandon Johnson and I see what's going to happen to that city in the coming years, I just get sort of sad.
Yeah, this black identity politics of the city, you know, very interesting.
They want to bail.
The city of Chicago is trying to get a bailout from the state of Illinois because they gave all their money to the teachers' unions and they lost all the tax base because they're a bunch of crazy black nationalists.
And the Illinois legislature wouldn't give it to them.
And so like, you know, the Illinois legislatures, you know, of course, and the Democratic governor, they're all Democrats, of course.
And so running against the dysfunction of inner city, running against sort of black kind of identity politics is actually pretty good politically.
It's one of those things Republicans are popular on.
I mean, people vote on affirmative action.
They're always against it.
They see the way these cities are run.
This is actually a good issue for them.
Tying Kamala to inner city black communities would probably be better, but he's saying, no, she's just not black.
I mean, it just seems stupid.
It's just like a non-sequitur.
People are looking at that, like, what the hell is he even talking about?
unidentified
Well, yeah.
elijah schaffer
And then this is what I don't understand about the identity politics.
It's like, this guy is a niggas for Trump t-shirt, and everyone's, you know, really, really supportive of this guy.
He was really famous in the Trump camp.
And I'm like, you know, God bless his heart, right?
If you want to call yourself that and you want to, you know, do that, go ahead.
But I think that it's remarkable to me that like people are freaking out about this.
Okay.
So it's not just the black thing, but it's also, I think I have their official profile.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
So white dudes for Harris, right?
they're putting up things like this right here and they're actually sort of like playing they're almost making fun of white people Like they're taking on the beta liberal and like adopting it, right?
Like kind of like when people are just like, yep, I'm a beta.
And they sort of accept that definition, right?
Or I'm a cuck.
And they just sort of like, the right's like freaking out, but they sort of embrace it.
They've taken this idea, like white dudes for Harris literally have like a trucker hat.
It's like very stereotypical.
And to be completely honest, it's like, I think they're doing this because they see that Trump isn't appealing to his white base.
I think they're watching the Groipers and different people talk about how Trump's really abandoning the white base and not making them feel wanted.
And they're like, well, hell yeah.
Now, now's the time.
Let's let's let's recapture those those white Democrats.
Let's get them back on our on our place.
richard hanania
Yeah, I never thought of it like that.
But yeah, I thought that I thought there was something smart about this white, you know, white women and white dudes for Harris thing.
And it's like, what is the sort of the white identitarian or conservative argument?
Oh, you can have a white people group.
Oh, you can.
And then Kamala Harris comes along, look, white people group, white dudes, white women.
Like, you know, you're just like everyone else.
Of course, you know, she's going to support affirmative action, everything, you know, everything else.
elijah schaffer
But still, it's like, it's like, it's performative.
I know that.
I'm not on the Kamala train.
I don't think she cares about white people or anything.
I just, but I'm saying they're at least playing smart moves.
unidentified
Exactly.
richard hanania
And if all you do is you're one of those people online who's like always in the comment section, like, oh, why can't we have white this?
Why can't we?
Okay, you, if that's your objection to liberal, they're giving you a white organization.
You could join, like, you know, knock yourself out.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, the funny thing is, is that all the, then all the, all the Trump supporters are like, well, you know, we don't have that because we're racist, but Trump loves blacks for Trump, right?
richard hanania
Women for Trump for Trump.
Yeah, Trump could organize a whites for Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
richard hanania
I mean, he could do it.
elijah schaffer
I mean, but like, I'll provide the tiki torches too.
And I will go.
richard hanania
It didn't work out well last time, but yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
richard hanania
You could have a Zoom meeting.
Hopefully, they wouldn't screw that up.
elijah schaffer
Dude, yeah.
And hopefully blacks aren't in charge of the equipment because then they'd be late.
But I like, like, yeah, but I, but I, I, I feel this because people said, you know, are saying that I, you know, apparently I just came across really, really racist last night.
But I don't understand what's really wrong with racism.
Um, I never have.
I don't, I don't even know why it's a big taboo.
And that's why I think it's kind of funny.
Um, like, I understand that Jews hate Palestinians.
And like, I get that.
And I understand that Palestinians don't like them either because of the way that they know they came in and occupied the land.
Like, I totally understand this stuff.
So, like, in that case, you know, I mean, I understand why they don't like each other.
And I know that not all Palestinians hate, you know, Jews.
Not all Jews hate Palestinians.
There's obviously, you know, a lot of disagreement in those things too.
And in general, if you take the average person anywhere in the world, they probably get along with the other average person.
And, you know, we're kind of divided under different pretenses and grounds.
But I mean, I don't understand not just the Title IX thing, but why the right is so much like concerned about not appearing racist, right?
These are my colleagues.
Everyone says, well, I'm not racist.
And well, we can't do this because we're not racist.
When did Republicans care about not being racist?
Like, if anything, we were like the kind of like racist white party.
Um, and we cared about white people in our country.
And now we're like, we're niggas for Trump.
Like, if that's what we are, okay, it's fine.
I mean, I'm like, whatever.
But is that real?
I mean, hey, chat, is this real?
I mean, are we really here?
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think it's deeply embedded in American culture now that racism is bad.
So I don't know, even Republicans 30 or 40 years ago were saying, you know, we're okay with, you know, preferring white people.
I think if you ask somebody in the Reagan administration, you know, are you racist?
I think they would say, no, no, of course not.
I'm not racist.
Now, one thing that's changed that's interesting is sort of like, you know, it was completely normalized, for example, if you wanted to date within your race, right?
In the 1980s or 1990s, you'd be in the newspaper.
There would be ads, I guess, before they had dating apps.
And it would be like, you know, single male looking for single white female.
If you look at movies from the time period, like people did not date outside their race, right?
Every black character had a black woman and every white man, you know, a white woman was dating a white man in movies and TV and culture.
So there was like an acceptance of like this kind of, you know, like soft racism, like preference, like people have preference for their own kind.
That's gone by the wayside.
And now you have to, you know, always go out of your way to have an interracial couple or have like a group of friends.
They always have to have perfect racial balance.
And there is, and there is that.
Yeah, I think it's like, you know, healthy to, you know, not to, you know, I mean, the Palestinians and Israel, you'd want to end up like them, right?
You want to have a culture society where people get along, where people generally judge people based on their qualities.
At the same time, people do have preferences sometimes.
And yeah, I don't think we should be neurotic about this or necessarily shame people for it, you know, as long as they're not using government to harm other people.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
And I also think, too, my one of my favorite things is when you click on the white dudes for Harris thing, though, it's just to donate money.
So that's what's smart.
It's like, hey, white people, you want to support me?
Give me your money.
richard hanania
You can volunteer too, right?
So, I mean, there is that.
What else?
unidentified
Yeah.
richard hanania
What else?
elijah schaffer
Oh, I mean, I mean, yeah, down the line, but I mean, if you, I zoomed out.
And if you, if you go to the actual website, like when you're here, there it is.
When you actually go to the website, it just says donate.
And then you got to scroll down, donate to Harris Victory Fund, dude.
And they're even like what's what's so crazy about this, and maybe I'm just so tired of being shit on all the time in my, in a country that, you know, my family was here before the revolution.
And, you know, I mean, I think the only benefit we really get is like free, free history degree at some universities.
But, but at the same time, it's like, you know, we've been here for a long time.
I was taught to love this country, care about this country and the values that it upholds, but it doesn't really uphold many values anymore.
And we've gotten so plagued by this post-World War II liberalism, you know, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union, right?
There's really no other dominating ideology.
I mean, I guess you could say communism in China, but I mean, China's very liberal in itself as well, the society.
I mean, you look at the, I've been there, I've worked there before, by the way.
So it's, you know, people, guys are still dressed femininely, you know, people are into style and fashion.
And like, it's a very metropolitan, advanced place.
In fact, safer than most American cities.
Shanghai and Beijing is a very, very, very safe relatively to like South Chicago.
So you look at this, though, and you're like, hey, you know, it's interesting that they understand that white people do have a culture, right?
Where they say, dude, and we make jokes and we hang out and we have a certain way that we work together and we operate and that way built this country.
And even though if they're kind of parodying us and it's sort of just like trucker hats and dudes and now give me your cash, it does make me think about the effective nature as if we really got a good grassroots whites for Trump movement going.
Do you think that would be that way?
They would just tag on that and make us all seem to be Nazis?
Or do you think that could actually work?
richard hanania
Yeah, I mean, so whites, you know, whites for it's very interesting because I think a whites for Trump would be like whites who act more like blacks or Hispanics, to be honest, because you look at these stereotypes that you're talking about, Harris playing with, they're basically the stereotype, and this is probably the dominant stereotype of whites in the culture.
It's like the white men are sort of, you know, they say do, they make jokes, they have, you know, they, you know, they're sort of wine, the husbands of wine moms, right?
I think this is like what, you know, white dudes for Harris is getting at.
If you look at Trump supporters, I mean, these are, you know, generally, you know, they tend to be people who often, you know, have problems in their personal lives.
I mean, if you look at the people of like, you know, January 6th and stuff, I mean, a lot of them have like very screwed up personal lives.
A lot of them are down, more lower class.
And, you know, there's many multiple whites.
And I think this is, you know, potentially a problem with racialism.
It's like there's a lot of white people and most of the hostility in American society today is really between different tribes of white people.
And so, yeah, I mean, like, look, if you want to have whites for Trump, I mean, yeah, I mean, go for it.
I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, I think we should probably make some of these things more explicit than, you know, than having it implicit because, you know, a lot of the stuff is like, you know, it's like, you know, like the immigration stuff, I think it's clearly about racial demographics, right?
And then they pretend like, oh, no, it's actually about economics and protecting jobs, which, you know, I don't think is really actually motivating many people, although they say that.
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