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How ISRAEL Came to RULE the WORLD (Part 2) | Guest: Ron Unz
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Well, you might have caught our last segment, which was the truth about World War II.
We were looking at what really happened with the Axis powers, with the Allies.
What went on with the Holocaust?
Were Jews really gassed?
I mean, these are questions that they say, like Sebastian Gorka would say, Nick Fuentes, you are a Holocaust denier for asking very simple questions.
But on today's show, we're not afraid of asking questions because the Boomer generation and their fear of reality, the questioning of narratives is all but gone because we have one of the best and one of the greatest from that generation who is unafraid, unabashed to answer those questions.
Ron Uns will be joining me later on in the show today, and we're going to be asking the question: how did Israel come into so much power?
Looking at post-World War II, the Reconstruction, of course, looking a little bit at the Cold War and where we are today with the Zionist states of America.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
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You can get the full version of this as we only play a portion on Thursdays on Rumble and on X. Let's start the show.
All right, let's just jump right into it.
My guest, Ron Uns, welcome back to Slightly Offensive.
Sorry, I don't know, you just froze on my hand there for a second.
So let's just talk about this.
Obviously, we gave a little recap last time.
We were talking a few weeks ago about World War II, about the realities of what happened.
And it was really incredible feedback.
So I just want to jump right back into this and talk a little bit about what happened after or what happened later on in World War II.
I want to start with 1945, if we can there, at the end of World War II.
And you have this narrative that we're taught about a Jewish displacement.
Can you begin talking to me a little bit about the years of 1945 to 1947 and where we come from after World War II and what the world was thinking about with what happened to the Jewish population?
Well, I mean, the whole thing about it is the Second World War was an incredibly destructive event.
I mean, in effect, it's the founding event of modern history.
And, you know, given all of those circumstances, you know, there naturally was a tremendous incentive for the Allies' powers, which had won the war, to really blacken the reputation of the Germans that they fought against as much as possible.
And that fed into, for example, the Nuremberg tribunals, in which Germany had been totally devastated during the war.
I mean, millions of people killed, millions, probably well over a million civilians killed.
The country utterly wrecked.
And it was one of the most developed, advanced countries in the world.
So it was very natural for the victorious powers to do everything they could to, in a sense, justify the war and claim that the Germans had committed the most monstrous atrocities you can imagine.
And that really went into the Nuremberg tribunals, in which a number of the German leaders were tried and executed for committing beastly war crimes, even though actually the single largest charge against them was waging aggressive war, which is something that countries have been doing since the beginning of time.
So the whole thing about it is, also, for example, America and the Western allies had been allied, obviously, with the Soviet Union during the war.
And the Soviet Union was basically a power that had killed millions upon millions of its internal citizens in the Gulag, in the starvation famine of Ukraine and the rest of Russia under Stalin.
So there was naturally a strong incentive to make the Germans look as bad as possible, justifying the wartime alliance with the USSR.
And so that's really where I think a lot of the falsifications began, at least on the Allied side, in terms of basically producing, in many cases, falsified evidence that the Germans had committed the most beastly atrocities you can imagine, thereby justifying the war and justifying the destruction of Germany.
And obviously, various different groups, especially, for example, many of the Jewish groups in the United States and around the rest of the world had been intensely hostile to the Nazi regime for pushing the Jews out of Germany and oppressing the Jews.
And so they also had a tremendous incentive in blackening the reputation of the Germans as much as possible.
And it's, for example, one aspect of the Nuremberg tribunals, which is quite ironic, is that one of the worst verified atrocities of the war had been the Katyn Forest Massacre, where the Soviets had basically killed tens of thousands of Polish prisoners of war after seizing them in the initial 1939 conflict.
And, you know, in a sense, the pride of the Polish officer corps, many of the Polish intellectuals, academics, officers had all been basically brutally murdered in 1941.
And so for that reason, you know, there was naturally an incentive for the Soviets to deflect attention on the Germans.
And in fact, they accused the Germans of having committed the Katyn Forest Massacre, even though everyone, including the Western allies, knew perfectly well that the Soviets were responsible.
So, you know, in a sense, it's the whole thing.
The victors write the history books.
And with the Western allies and the Soviets having won the war, they naturally, in a sense, wrote the history books, wrote history to make the defeated side look as bad as possible.
And that's really, that was sort of the fundamental starting point of the narrative of the last 70 or 80 years that now has really dominated the world since then.
You know, it's interesting you talk about that because I think as we get into this reconstruction and we look at this, I guess we should talk about the reality as the war was ending.
You know, we've all been told in our classes, you know, what happened in World War II, what happened in the Holocaust.
We've been given a certain narrative.
But if we go to the year 1945, talk to me a little bit about what's actually happened.
Like, what's going on with the Germans around the world?
What's going on with Germany?
What's going on with the Jewish population?
Are people upset about the Holocaust?
Like, take me to the end of World War II for the beginning of our conversation here.
What is going on in the world during that time?
What is the general consensus aside from everything we've been taught?
Well, obviously, you know, a huge number of people died in the war.
I mean, 50 or 60 million probably.
And certainly a large number of Jews had died in the war, both in Germany and Eastern Europe and in other places.
But the whole thing about it is, you know, the narrative that was created at that point was really one important thing, it's probably not a bad idea to step back.
In the aftermath of the, during the First World War, in which many of the countries had been fighting in Europe in the same way, there had been a tremendous amount of atrocity propaganda that had been created to blacken Germany's reputation.
For example, the Germans were accused of raping Belgian nuns, of actually eating Belgian children, really bizarre sorts of atrocities.
After the end of the war, within a couple of years, most people in the Western countries realized that they'd been tricked.
They realized it was just wartime propaganda, and it was admitted to be wartime propaganda.
And there was therefore a tremendous backlash against the Allied governments for having gotten America into the war, for having tricked their own people, for having deceived everybody about these horrible atrocities, which had never really happened.
So during the Second World War, as the war progressed, I mean, obviously, many of very similar sorts of bizarre atrocity stories were created, targeting the Germans and blackening the German reputation.
And many people living in America and the rest of the West were very skeptical of this time, since it was a replay of what had happened during the First World War.
But after the end of the war, I mean, the Western allies and the other groups involved realized that, you know, they couldn't admit that it was mostly wartime propaganda, even though many of the atrocities claimed were utterly ridiculous and were later debunked.
So in effect, even though gradually, in the years after 1945, more and more people began to quietly recognize that many of the stories were simply atrocity propaganda without much reality, the governments never admitted that.
In other words, the governments never conceded that a lot of the stories that come out were simply false propaganda.
And so, for example, you know, you did have another factor also involved was the Zionists, who had been quasi-allies of the Nazis in the 1930s, with some of the more extreme Zionist factions actually trying to ally themselves with Nazi Germany during the Second World War.
After the end of the war, the Zionists obviously wanted to use the suffering the Jews had experienced to allow them to gain control of Palestine and achieve their dream of a Jewish state in Palestine.
So they had a strong incentive for maintaining the propaganda of the Holocaust, of 6 million Jews being killed, of all these horrible atrocities committed against the Jews, so as to justify the creation of the state of Israel.
And probably, you know, quite a lot of the Jews living in Israel probably believed in the atrocity propaganda along with everybody else.
So what really had happened was in the years after the war, there really, first of all, I should also mention that there was the Morgenthal pan.
Henry Morgenthal had been the Jewish Secretary of the Treasury under Franklin Roosevelt.
And really, he was a fairly ignorant man.
He'd never really graduated either high school or college.
So he wasn't really in charge of his department.
His department was really much more under the control of a man named Harry Dexter White, who was essentially a Soviet agent.
He was an agent of Stalin.
And White became extremely influential in the post-war American government and helped to orchestrate what was known as the Morgenthal Plan, which really was designed essentially to utterly destroy Germany,
to probably starve to death a large fraction of the German population, destroy German industry, and really wreck the country permanently, partly as an act of vengeance over the perceived atrocities that the Germans had committed against the Jews during the war.
And so as the issue sort of played out in 1945, 1946, many leaders in the American government then stepped back and really decided that the Morgenthal Plan was really ridiculous.
I mean, destroying the heart of Europe in that way would be a disaster for everybody.
So the Morgenthal Plan was officially renounced.
But in many ways, if you, for example, read some of the accounts by some of the leading journalists and academics, I mean, really quite highly regarded, influential people who visited Germany in that period, much of the Morgenthal Plan was actually continued in practice, even though it had been pulled back in theory.
So, for example, there really are some estimates that three, four, five, maybe even eight or ten million Germans died of deprivation, of starvation, of really all these horrible conditions after the end of the war, German civilians.
And obviously, something like 12 to 15 million German civilians living in Eastern Europe, living in Czechoslovakia, in Poland, in Romania, in all these countries where, I mean, they lived there peacefully for hundreds of years, 500, 600, 800 years.
They were all then driven out in the largest single example of ethnic cleansing in the history of the world.
And according to most estimates, probably a couple of million died during the process.
So in other words, we're talking about tremendous, tremendous civilian suffering on the part of the defeated Germans.
And obviously, given the imposition of such suffering, there was a strong incentive for the Allies to justify what was being done on the grounds of the horrific atrocities that the Germans had allegedly committed during the war.
And I mean, certainly, the Germans did commit some atrocities during the war.
There were war crimes all around.
But most of the key examples that really got people's attention, that generated tremendous, you know, hatred and, you know, astonishment over what the Germans had done, really were essentially fake.
I mean, they were basically fraudulent.
For example, one thing that really convinced most Americans who had been skeptical about the atrocities that such atrocities had really occurred in the so-called German death camps is when, for example, videos were shown of starved skeleton prisoners or corpses in Dachau and many of the other camps that had been liberated by the West.
But if you look at, for example, the current view of the current mainstream establishment view of the Second World War and of these German concentration camps, none of the camps liberated by the Americans, none of the camps that were shown in those propaganda films are considered death camps.
They were simply forced labor camps, like most of the other camps.
And those, for example, horrific scenes of skeletons, of corpses, of starved individuals.
I mean, a lot of that was due, as far as I can tell, due to the breakdown of the German transportation system because of the Allied strategic bombing offensive at the end of the war.
In other words, food supplies were very scarce.
It was very difficult for food to be shipped to those camps.
In addition, because of these horrific conditions, there were certainly plagues of disease.
Typhus and other illnesses were very widespread in the camps, and they caused many of those conditions.
So, for example, many of the inmates of those camps actually died after the Allies had liberated them for many of the same reasons.
In other words, they were, you know, they basically gone weeks with lack of food, just like many ordinary Germans had.
And so, you know, certainly, I mean, they suffered very much during that period of time.
But, I mean, their suffering was really nothing like the sort of death camp story that really became part of the narrative that the Western Allies then promoted.
And I mean, it seems when you really trace through the evidence of the concentration camps of the so-called death camps, there's very little there, and there's very strong evidence on the other side, including, for example, the decrypted German communications whose codes had been broken by the Allies during the war, and which were finally released a couple of decades ago as declassified decrypted files.
And I mean, they basically show no evidence of the sort of mass extermination campaigns going on at these so-called death camps that have become part of the standard narrative.
And some of, for example, the most shocking atrocities that captured so much of the Western imagination at the time and were discussed at Nuremberg, were put front and center by, for example, Dwight Eisenhower when he liberated the first of these camps, were the notions that the Germans had converted Jewish corpses into soap, had produced lampshades from Jewish skin.
And all legitimate scholars now admit that that was basically just fraudulent.
It never happened.
And so those were sort of the shocking atrocity stories that really persuaded so many people in the West that these horrible things had really happened.
And they really were essentially fictional.
Now, you know, the interesting thing, and this is really what I think I've focused a lot of my attention on, and really is sort of something I don't think other people concentrated it much on.
In the aftermath of the liberation of the camps, obviously the Nuremberg trials were held a couple of years later, and, you know, a number of the Nazi leaders were convicted.
They were executed for these crimes.
But then within a year or two after that, it seemed most mainstream journalists and academics in the West gradually admitted that all of these stories had essentially been propaganda, had been dishonest atrocity propaganda.
And the interesting thing is if you go through the late 1940s or the 1950s, there seems virtually no recognition anywhere in mainstream Western journalism or academic scholarly research that any of these exterminations had taken place.
In other words, it's very, very difficult to find anybody making claims that such things had really happened.
Because what I think clearly had happened was within a few years after the end of the war, word had quietly gotten around that these atrocity stories had never really happened.
They were simply a second round of the atrocity stories that had taken place in the First World War.
And so most legitimate scholars, most legitimate journalists were very reluctant to describe these issues for fear of future generations treating them as fools or idiots.
And so the whole issue seems to have completely vanished from public discussion.
And the same thing is, for example, true of all the memoirs and history books written by the leading Allied figures in the Second World War, Winston Churchill, Charles de Gaulle, and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I mean, their works basically run 7,000 pages, a massive account of the Second World War and all of its detail.
But there's no mention anywhere. in those 7,000 pages of gas chambers, of death camps, or of any these horrific atrocities that have now come in the minds of most people to symbolize what we call the Holocaust.
And I think it's clear that the reason these individuals excluded those statements from the memoirs and the histories is they were sure within 10 or 15 or at most 20 years, the fact that those atrocities had never taken place, that they were simply propaganda, would become known to everybody.
And they were writing books that they hoped would establish their names in history not for 10 years or 15 years, but for generations.
And if they included those false stories in their accounts, I mean, they would look ridiculous to future generations.
And so basically, for a period of about 15, 14 or 15 years, what we call the Holocaust, what we call the horrific atrocities of the Second World War committed by the Nazis, seemed to totally disappear from all mainstream Western coverage, even though they obviously would have provided the greatest possible justification for the war that had been fought.
Now, what's interesting is those stories still continued in the state of Israel.
So, for example, Jewish activists in Israel certainly believed in those stories, or at least talked about them a lot, because they provided the justification for the establishment of the state of Israel.
In other words, Zionist groups for generations had been seeking to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and they'd really made relatively little progress on it.
But now in the aftermath of the Second World War, by using the tremendous guilt that so many of the Allies' leaders felt towards what had happened to the Jewish people of Europe, they felt this was their opportunity to establish a Jewish state.
And also, it could be used to justify their expulsion of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the homes they'd lived in for a thousand or two thousand years.
I mean, again, it would have been considered under normal circumstances an unparalleled horrific war crime, a tremendous atrocity, especially after the creation of the post-war order established by the United Nations.
So under normal circumstances, expelling hundreds of thousands of people who'd lived in the land of Palestine for so many centuries and generations would have been totally unacceptable.
But because the Zionist leaders were able to play up the suffering the Jews had experienced simply a year or two earlier in the Second World War, they were able to very much justify what they were doing.
Also, for example, the Zionists ended up committing many tremendously atrocious terrorist acts against the British leadership in Palestine to try to drive the British out.
For example, one of the largest terrorist attacks in the history of the world up to that point was the destruction of the King David Hotel.
I think 90 or 95 people were killed in it.
A huge hotel, which had been the British headquarters, was destroyed by a bombing attack.
And so the fact that, in effect, the Zionists were able to draw on what was perceived as a large credit balance from the horrible suffering of the Jews of the Second World War helped to justify what they did.
And what's interesting is when you read some of the accounts of the early post-war society in Israel, it was one of the few places in the world that had the largest number of so-called Holocaust survivors.
In other words, people basically who'd come from the German concentration camps, and many of them had certainly suffered.
What's interesting is that the accounts written of what was called the Holocaust, published in Israel at that time, again, which had the largest number of eyewitnesses' testimony, are totally different from what the mainstream Holocaust is believed to be today.
In other words, a lot of the works that were most popular in Israel were very bizarre, sadomasochistic accounts of, for example, the Nazis, I mean, just very, very bizarre.
The sort of thing, I don't know if you heard of some of those Nazi exploitation films from the 1970s, like, oh, about Nazi female Nazi guards raping Jewish inmates in concentration camps, really just very bizarre stories.
Those were actually the mainstream accounts written by the survivors in Israel that nobody really believes were true in any way nowadays.
And also, for example, everybody in Israel believed that the Jews of Europe had actually been rent, their bodies had been rendered into soap, and even though it's been totally debunked.
In other words, the leading Holocaust organizations in Israel itself admit it was simply all propaganda.
I mean, soap was not being made from human bodies.
But that was widely believed, almost universally believed, by all the post-war Jewish survivors living in Israel.
So in other words, what we're really talking about is all these bizarre legends developed at the time in the aftermath of this gigantic war that had killed so many tens of millions of people around the world.
And different groups had incentives at different times for maintaining those legends or expanding them or exploiting them.
But at least in the West, in the United States, as far as I can tell, in Britain and most of the Western countries, by 1947, by 1948, these stories of what we call the Holocaust and wartime German atrocities essentially vanished from discussion.
And most people seem to admit that they weren't, you know, that they were just false.
And in fact, a number of, for example, important figures from that period, including high-ranking British military officers, important members of American military intelligence, I mean, basically key people, they ended up writing books in the late 40s and the early 1950s, basically saying that these stories are simply, you know, they were atrocity propaganda.
And, you know, it was important that in the aftermath of the conflict, people start to admit that these were simply falsehoods and should no longer be believed to be true.
But I mean, their books simply didn't get much attention.
And the interesting thing about it is, even though they were ferociously attacked sometimes on all sorts of other grounds, they were never attacked when they explicitly denied the reality of the Holocaust.
So in other words, I think I'm not sure if I mentioned in the last session or not, but a man named Professor John Beatty, who'd been one of the key military intelligence officers of the United States, he'd been responsible for providing the daily briefing accounts of all American intelligence to the White House, to our top military and political leadership.
In 1941, he published a book really denouncing the origins of the war, explaining how the war had really been created through dishonest propaganda.
And in that book, he specifically pointed to the ridiculous stories of death camps, of millions upon millions of Jews having been exterminated as being something that obviously never happened.
And in fact, he criticized the Israelis for continuing to promote those stories, even though the rest of the world admitted that they were falsehoods.
His book was the second best-selling conservative book of the 1950s in the United States.
It got a tremendous amount of attention in conservative quarters, and it was ferociously attacked by Jewish groups and leftist groups on all sorts of different grounds.
You know, the fact he was basically run through the ringer for saying the things he did.
But the one thing neither the ADL nor any of these other groups ever challenged was when he explicitly denied the reality of the Holocaust.
He said it was just a myth.
It had never happened.
And so, you know, if we're stepping back and seeing what really did happen during the war, I mean, certainly many, many, many hundreds of thousands of Jews died in the war along with 50 or 60 million other people.
The numbers are really not at all clear.
In other words, it seems most of the evidence is that probably a couple of hundred thousand Jews may have died in the Nazi concentration camps, mostly from disease, with the Germans making every effort to try to control the spread of disease and using Zyklon B, which was a leading insecticide both in Germany and the rest of the world, including the United States, to try to control the lice that was spreading typhus.
So in other words, basically the Germans were trying to save the lives of their forced laborers because these were individuals doing work for them and producing a lot of important products, synthetic oil, which the German military machine needed and everything like that.
Now, a lot of other Jews had actually been seized by Stalin.
When Stalin and Hitler formed their alliance and each of them invaded Poland, most of the Jews in Poland were living in the part of Poland occupied by the Russians, occupied by the Soviets.
And indeed, many of the other Jews, since they were very worried about what would happen to them under Nazi rule, ended up fleeing into the Soviet-occupied portions of Poland.
Stalin at first was quite open to them and quite friendly towards them, but he was also very suspicious.
And so what he ended up doing was actually offering Soviet citizenship to all the Jews of Poland.
And when very few of them desired to take Soviet citizenship and they preferred to retain their Polish citizenship, many of them, and possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions, were actually deported by Stalin.
And many of them were deported into Siberia.
And I think, you know, given the nature of Soviet deportations, the very harsh treatment that was involved in something like that, it seems very likely that many, many hundreds of thousands of them died.
Also, once war broke out between the Soviets and the Germans in 1941 with the Barbarossa attack, the Soviets then evacuated large numbers of Germans, large numbers of Jews, possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of Jews, from the areas that the Germans were moving towards deeper into the Soviet Union, into Siberia, into the Urals.
And so, you know, it could be large numbers of them died there also under difficult circumstances.
And also, certainly very large numbers of them died in the combat because, I mean, they were living in the lands that were being fought upon between the German and Soviet armies for the next three or four years.
So, I mean, certainly, you know, large numbers of Jews died.
But I mean, if we're talking about, for example, the Jewish death camps or concentration camps, there seems a tremendous amount of evidence that they're simply mythological.
And, you know, the fact that, for example, in Auschwitz, the official number of the deaths in Auschwitz was reduced, I think it was 20 or 25 years ago, from 4 million down to 1.1 million and received almost no attention in the Western media, shows, for example, the nature of how ridiculous these things are.
Also, I should say that even though the Soviets had been among the first promoters of the Holocaust story, I think it was probably around 1942, 1943, that they first ended up promoting the story, partly to deflect attention from the fact that the bodies of the tens of thousands of Polish officers they'd killed in the Katyn forest had been discovered by the Germans,
and an international team had reviewed it and found strong evidence that the Soviets had been responsible.
But the whole thing about it is, once, for example, the aftermath of the war took place, and for example, in Israel, Stalin had really viewed Israel as being very likely a Soviet ally in the Middle East to balance out the British and French Arab states,
the Arab states that would be post-war Arab states that would be in the British and French orbit, partly because so many of the Jews who made up the population of Israel came from Eastern Europe, or in many cases they even came from the Soviet Union.
And also the Jewish leadership, the key leadership of the Haganah and David Muden-Gurian, they were very much aligned with the Soviet camp.
Many of them were Marxists or quasi-Marxists or socialists.
So there was a feeling that they would naturally gravitate towards the Soviet Union.
In fact, the Soviet Union, I believe, was the first country that officially recognized the establishment of the state of Israel.
It basically was almost simultaneous with the United States, but I think the Soviets actually technically came first.
And in fact, the way the Jews in Israel were able to win the war, one of the key factors allowing them to win the war against the Arab forces that they were facing, was the huge shipment of Eastern Bloc weapons they received from Soviet-governed Czechoslovakia, because the Czechs had a very strong arms industry, and they shipped massive tonnage of weaponry to the Jewish forces, to the Zionist forces, allowed them to basically win the war.
Now, what ended up happening in the aftermath of the war, because the Jews of the United States were so wealthy and influential and powerful, partly for that reason, or just the general wealth of the West, the Israelis then, the Zionists, ended up more shifting towards support for the West, aligning themselves with the Western camp rather than the Soviet camp.
And that, together with Stalin's concerns that many of the Soviet Jews, since the Soviets had a very large Jewish population still at that point, might become more loyal to a pro-Western state of Israel than to the Soviet Union.
So Stalin basically became very concerned that instead of, for example, the new state of Israel becoming his own allied regime in the West, elements of the Jewish population in the Soviet Union would become more loyal to outside forces than to the Soviet state that they'd helped build.
So even though the Jews at that time, many of Stalin's highest ranking lieutenants were Jewish, for example, you had Leser Kaganovich, who was probably number two or number three in the Soviet regime at that point under Stalin, really one of the most powerful figures in the state.
You had the top Soviet leadership of the Commissar Corps.
Most of them were Jewish.
Many of the people that, for example, run the Gulag camps were Jewish.
Many of the top figures in the Soviet political system were Jewish.
Stalin then became very concerned about them.
So in the aftermath of the Second World War, by 48, 49, partly because of the creative state of Israel, Stalin really became much more anti-Semitic.
In fact, also I should say that Stalin's own daughter had a Jewish husband.
The non-Jewish figures in the Soviet regime, the non-Jewish Bolshevik and communist leaders, had been very heavily intermarried with the Jewish Bolsheviks, who were a very large part of that contingent.
So what ended up happening was Stalin then became strongly anti-Semitic, and all of this wartime propaganda of a Jewish Holocaust, of millions of Jews having been exterminated in Eastern Europe, in the Soviet Union, in Ukraine, in all of those places, it all vanished for the next 30 or 40, 50 years.
So what's interesting is in the 1970s and 1980s, and even the beginning of the 1990s, when Westerners visited Eastern Bloc countries, they visited Poland, they visited Czechoslovakia, Hungary, or even they went to the Soviet Union, parts of the Soviet Union.
It's shocking, but almost nobody there had ever heard of the Holocaust.
In other words, they were totally unaware that Jews had been singled out and killed in these death camps.
I mean, the entire party line by the communists during that era was obviously very much that the Nazis had committed horrific atrocities.
But the claim was that the atrocities had been equally directed against Slavs, against Armenians, against all the other Soviet peoples, as against the Jews of the Soviet Union.
So there was no notion of the Holocaust.
And in fact, one of the things that happened after the fall of the Soviet bloc, after the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall, is that a wave of Holocaust propaganda from Hollywood and from Western media then washed into those areas, explaining to people what had happened in their own countries during the Second World War.
Because what we call the Holocaust had entirely taken place in these Eastern Bloc countries.
There were no death camps on German soil.
In the mainstream view of Holocaust scholars today is there were no death camps on German soil.
There were no death camps in most of Eastern Europe.
The death camps, the alleged death camps, only took place in Poland or in parts, for example, of Ukraine or Belarusia.
That was where the killings took place.
And nobody in those places for decades had ever been aware that a Holocaust had taken place, which is just astonishing when you think of it.
So the whole thing is, we're talking about a tremendously powerful propaganda tool that was used by different forces in different periods of time.
The Soviets used it at one point.
The Western allies used it at another point.
And in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War, the Zionists in Israel were able to use it quite effectively.
But in many cases, after, for example, it became less useful, it was then dropped and ignored.
In other words, for 15 years, virtually nobody in the West claimed that anything like a Holocaust or extermination of Jews had occurred.
In the Soviet Union, that went on for decades.
It went on for 40 or 50 years.
And the Israelis certainly continued it going because they had a tremendous vested incentive, partly because of the reparations payments they were continuing to receive from the Germans for these horrible crimes that had allegedly taken place on German soil.
But I mean, the story basically changed during this whole period of time.
And what we call the modern Holocaust was essentially created in Hollywood in the 1970s.
In other words, there was a very widespread, a very widely shown miniseries on, I think it was either ABC or NBC, called Holocaust.
It was on for four or five nights.
It basically told the story of the Holocaust.
And in all the accounts you read by leading scholars or by individuals, that in many cases was the turning point in the knowledge of the Holocaust.
In other words, that was when most ordinary Americans first learned what had taken place in the Second World War and is now viewed as one of the greatest, one of the most shocking horrific events in all of human history.
Until they saw it in a fictional dramatization on television, they were unaware that it had ever happened, which is really just amazing.
And it gets to the main point that reaches many broader issues.
And that's the media creates our reality.
On so many different issues around the world, now and in the past, the media creates the reality.
And if you have control of the media, if you dominate the media, you can create astonishing realities that people will believe, even if they never happen.
And when control of the media changes sometimes, then suddenly a previous reality disappears and a new one is created.
And that exactly is what happened, for example, in the Soviet Union.
Nobody in the Soviet Union had ever heard of what we call the Holocaust.
I mean, very, very few people.
It was almost unknown.
And then, because it was never portrayed in the Soviet media, and none of the Soviet textbooks, none of the Soviet documentation ever admitted it existed.
Then when the Soviet Union collapsed and the Soviet media, the post-Soviet media in Russia and other places was taken, control was gained by a new group of individuals.
And actually, in the case of Russia, a group of three or four media oligarchs who were all Jewish ended up gaining control of the Russian media.
That then created, with the help of Hollywood, an entirely new reality of the Second World War that nobody had previously been aware of.
And that certainly was even more true in Eastern Europe.
Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, all of which gradually became part of the Western Bloc.
They wanted to become part of Europe, part of the European Union.
They wanted basically to become part of the wealthy European countries that were in the West.
And so if the wealthy, influential, successful countries in the West all believed in certain things, naturally these impoverished, desperate European countries in Eastern Europe were willing to adopt the same views to try to fit in with that larger group of countries.
So, I mean, it's basically just, I mean, the media is really the key issue involved with all of this.
And that's actually why, obviously, these days and in the past, there's been such a bitter battle sometimes over organs of social media, which have gradually started replacing the traditional broadcast electronic media as being the main way people get information about the world.
And so, you know, if you have a dominant position in social media, you can propagate a view of reality that's very, very different than what most people believe.
And after a period of time, a large number of people may believe it.
Well, and that's what we're doing here, because, I mean, obviously, this stuff is not popular.
Like, I grew up in the large conservative media sphere, right?
That's sort of how I got my career started.
And, you know, in the midst of all of that, you know, I've worked with a lot of the largest companies, you know, I've worked with Fox and with Dailywire, with Blaze and Breitbart and yada, yada, yada, on a myriad of projects.
And, you know, to this day, I find it to be really interesting because there is this split in the America First movement in the United States where there is a side telling us we need to really support Israel and we need to send money to them and that they, you know, they need to be involved in our politics, that AIPAC needs to have influence.
And there's another side that's going, wait a second, if the name America First is in the title and we're all supposed to be America First, why do we have any other country mentioned at all?
Which is why I want to talk to you about this.
So how did we, this is a really simple question.
How did we, if we won the war, end up in a position today to where World War II is about Jews and the Holocaust and all our laws and our concerns and money are about creating an ethno-state for Jews, changing our First Amendment for Jews and not offending anyone or questioning the Holocaust.
And then all of our laws on the flip side are discriminatory against white people, are not about putting our country and our nation's efforts first, discriminating against our Native people and replacing our Native people with hordes of immigrants and people who don't share our cultures.
So let's track with us.
How did we, if we won the war and the war wasn't about the Holocaust get to the place we are today to where everything's about the Holocaust and white men don't matter?
Well, I mean, again, so much of it is really money and media.
I mean, the two things fit together.
In that, you know, really, just as I, I mean, one important point that a lot of people may or may not be aware of is that for the first decades after the period of the Second World War, with the rise of television, I mean, television became the dominant force in shaping people's knowledge of the world.
And all three of the television networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC, were either under Jewish ownership or Jewish control.
So it was hardly surprising that they emphasize the sort of issues that they felt strongly about that would benefit their community rather than emphasizing the issues that would be on the other side.
So, you know, again, it's unclear whether more than a small fraction of the individuals I'm talking about actually were aware of the reality of what had happened in the Second World War.
In other words, most people tend to believe the propaganda that other people in their groups propagate.
And so once the Holocaust, once the generation involved in the Second World War had gradually died out or become very elderly, 15 or 20 years or 25 years after the end of the Second World War, what people knew about that conflict was basically what they'd seen in films and what they'd seen on television.
And that framed their view of it.
So, you know, the whole thing is if most people are much more willing to take a strong position on something if they believe their cause is just.
Not all people, but most people, the sense of justice strengthens their position.
So if, for example, a considerable number of Zionist or Jewish propagandists promoted the story of the Holocaust and emphasized the horrific, unprecedented atrocities that had been committed against the Jewish people in the Second World War, maybe some of them believed in it, maybe some of them didn't.
But the vast majority of other Jews that listened to those stories, that saw those things, that saw those television shows, wholeheartedly believed in it.
They believed that they were seeing the truth and that their cause was just.
In exactly the same way.
So in other words, the entire story of the Second World War was completely rewritten in a way that the more knowledgeable individuals at the time would have considered ridiculous and bizarre.
And even the people in the aftermath of the Second World War, the top Allied leaders, would have been very surprised to see portrayed that way.
I mean, it's a little bit, a good analogy, are these ridiculous atrocity stories coming out from Israel in the last six months about 40 beheaded Israeli babies, that Hamas had beheaded Israeli babies, that they'd baked Israeli babies in an oven, that they'd committed gang rapes, brutal sexual mutilations.
There's no evidence for any of those things.
And in fact, many of them have been admitted to be falsehoods and totally debunked.
But because they received such a wide range of media coverage initially, probably large numbers of Americans and certainly large numbers of American political leaders, especially Jewish political leaders, including those in Israel, probably believe that they're true.
In other words, ordinary people, or many political leaders, believe these horrific atrocity stories are true, even though they happened just, they allegedly happened a few months ago and they're admitted to be falsehoods now.
So, you know, when you believe those horrific atrocities are true, you're much more willing to fight very hard for your cause, to demand action, to demand that everyone support Israel in the conflict going on right now in Gaza,
that these protesters opposing the massacre of so many tens of thousands of Gazans are vicious pro-Hamas terrorist lovers who have to be stamped down, that we have to really restrict our freedom of speech in the United States, academic freedom to basically put these all things in place.
And a lot of that effort is probably being driven by people who actually do believe these propaganda atrocity falsehoods that were promoted just a few months ago.
So, I mean, in many cases, the dynamics are that individual activists make up these lies, sometimes in a very ridiculous sort of way.
The lies then are promoted very widely, and they're absorbed and believed many times by very wealthy, powerful people who don't really pay that much detailed attention to those things.
So I would bet, for example, that a majority of the billionaires who forced the resignations of the presidents of the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard University and threatened the same for Columbia University president unless she cracked down on the protesters.
I would bet that the majority of those figures who had the financial wealth and power to dominate those universities and put pressure on them, I bet many of them, or most of them, actually believe these ridiculous atrocity stories about beheaded babies and baked babies or sexual mutilations.
So you have a dynamic process where When a few people promote ridiculous, extreme stories, but the media then accepts them and distributes them very far and wide, the result is that everybody starts to believe them.
And once most people believe them, they then become embedded in people's minds and consciousness.
And it becomes very, very difficult to retract them again.
And that, I think, is exactly what happened with the 40 beheaded babies just a few months ago.
And also happened in the case of the Jewish lampshades, the Jewish soap, and the Jewish gas chambers, with all those atrocity stories being completely ridiculous.
And so it's really a very difficult thing to have people admit that they'd been manipulated and tricked not only for six months or a year or 10 years, but really for their entire lives.
I mean, there are many people now.
I mean, the majority of American adults have grown up with their entire lives believing in the reality of the Second World War stories that had been told in the Holocaust.
And that really is something very difficult for them to recognize and admit, that it was simply wartime propaganda.
And I mean, certainly when I first started looking into these things, I was utterly shocked.
It was probably about 10 or 15 years ago.
And, you know, at first, really, I was too skeptical to really look into it.
But then, you know, after a while, when I started reading the books, checking the facts, doing due diligence on it, I really realized that my entire life, I mean, it's not something I'd really focused much on my life, but I'd certainly always assumed it was true because it was in all the textbooks, it was in all the media, it was on all the newspapers, it was on television.
When something is repeated in every source of information you have, you naturally believe it's true.
And the individuals then involved who created that information environment, again, many of them being Jewish, not all Jewish, but many of them being Jewish, you know, then basically were able to dominate American society, the American political system, our international relations, all of that, because of the stories that they were promoting.
And probably in most cases, they believe those stories were true.
In other words, the number of people I think who are outright lying on any of these issues is a very, very small fraction of the total.
You have a few people, many times people who were deranged or just incredibly agitated or lost their minds, making up these ridiculous stories, in some cases doing it for deliberate propagandistic reasons, making up these ridiculous stories, promoting them, and then setting those stories in motion so that they were then propagated by the media during the Second World War and the initial years after the Second World War,
then with a huge burst of renewed coverage in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, once Hollywood got involved.
And so you have a situation I mean, just as, for example, for generations, everybody in the Soviet Union believed that Leon Trotsky had been a devil figure, that he was a Nazi agent, he was a fascist spy, when he'd actually been Vladimir Lenin's right-hand man.
He'd been one of the most powerful people in the Soviet Union.
So, just as in the same way, the Soviet propaganda apparatus created all these gigantic lies and deceit, you know, the pravda that they promoted, which most people in the Soviet Union generally believed in for generations or at least for decades, and gradually started collapsing in the 1980s as they saw it was so different than what they could see in their daily lives, that they were poor, they were miserable, they really were lacking the benefits of the people in the West.
In the same way, I think we're starting to see in the Western world, in the United States and the other countries of the West, the gradual collapse of this huge propaganda infrastructure that had been established for generations.
I mean, when people see, for example, that, I mean, the people of the West have gotten so much, I mean, poverty is so much worse these days than it's been in the past.
Increases for generations, people in America had always been wealthier than their parents.
I mean, it was a natural thing.
And now, I mean, that's certainly not the case today.
It's very difficult for younger people to be able to afford homes.
Many of them are terribly in debt because of their student loans.
I mean, basically, America is doing much, much worse today than it was in the past.
And the collision between that reality and all the social and ethnic problems we have in our society with the tremendous propaganda infrastructure has been making more and more people question the reality of that propaganda.
And that's certainly the case, for example, in our industrial base.
I mean, the fact right now that, for example, America, one reason America back our backing of the Ukraine is going so badly and the Ukrainians are losing the war is the entire West doesn't have the industrial base that the Russians have in producing tanks and producing artillery shells in producing the physical products that you need to win a war.
And China, for example, these days, China has a far larger industrial capacity than America, Japan, and the European Union combined.
So when people look around the world and see the disasters, mistakes the American government made during the COVID epidemic, see all these other problems, and see the propaganda apparatus denying the existence of these problems, there's much more of a tendency to question that propaganda on all sorts of other issues.
And so I think what we're seeing now is the gradual disintegration of the post-war propaganda infrastructure that's been around for almost 80 years, for 75 to 80 years, and has dominated the lives of nearly everybody in the West.
I mean, it's basically something that their parents believed in, they believed in, and their children have believed in.
But a lot of it is simply not true.
And again, it all comes down to dominating the control apparatus of the media.
And that's why so many battles, that's why, for example, that's why groups in the United States are trying to ban TikTok.
I mean, the reason so many younger Americans have turned against Israel and are supporting the Gazans and the Palestinians is they're seeing these horrible atrocities taking place on their own smartphones.
I'm not trying to cut you off, but we should talk about the rest of this uncensored.
Particularly, I want to read a couple of the super chats though for the people that supported on Rumble because the second part of the show, of course, is on censored.
Cocto, which is a crazy name, sent a thumbs up to you, Ron, given his support.
Noticer IM said, Ron is huge, a huge win.
Also, Mike, aka Snowflake Tears, had court for the January 6th today.
Please keep him in prayers and check out his give, send, go.
Yeah, I'm supposed to share that, by the way, on the show, actually.
I don't usually do that.
We don't usually raise funds, but I guess this is a viewer of the show is getting persecuted by the United States government.
So we will support that.
Dat Rage and Cajun said, great guest.
Best show on the internet.
Would agree.
Many are saying this.
We also got Steve0906 said, great job, Elijah and Ron.
So we're really grateful you guys are enjoying this.
A lot of you guys said, too, you don't even like history, but you're really enjoying this chat.
And I'm very, very happy about that.
Iron Cow86 said, turn out that the thing they made illegal to ask questions about was a total lie.
Who could have guessed?
Yeah, who could have guessed?
When's the last time they told us to lie about stuff?
And then they pretended like they didn't lie.
And then they told us we couldn't question it.
Oh, yeah, the last election, the pandemic.
If you don't realize they lie, I don't know what else to say.
Cockto also said, Becoming a noticeable ruined in Glorious Bastards.
I only watched the opening scene with the floorboards now, then skipped to the credits.
Yeah, I can't, the boy in striped pajamas, all of these movies, I can't enjoy them anymore either.
You know, I only laughed a few times in the boy in striped pajamas.
No, I'm just kidding.
I stole that joke from someone, anyways.
It's not funny.
But yeah, but that's all there.
That's who sent it.
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I'm not speaking at AFPAC.
Sorry.
I'm not speaking.
Some journalist is going to fucking quote me on that.
I'm not speaking on AFPAC.
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