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Yeah, hi, I'm Vincent James.
I have a show on Rumble Daily Veracity with Vincent James.
I've been around for years now.
Some would consider me an old head and been friends with Nick for a long time.
And I appreciate you having me on.
And I've done a lot of extensive research into the topic that we're going to discuss today.
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I know this seems really stupid to people, but I had a debate between Austin Peterson, who was a presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, and Keith Woods, who is an activist in Ireland and a political representative of the Nationalist Party.
And they could not equally agree on the definition of what a Jew is.
And so while people argue about the existence of Judaism, Zionism, it's kind of crazy to me that when I ask different people, what is a Jew?
You almost get the same answers as what is a woman.
And so my first question is, what is a Jew?
Let's go ahead and start with Adam.
Since Adam identifies as Jewish, I think we should go ask a trans person what transgenderism is.
I think it's a race or ethnicity, whichever you prefer, but I think the genetic component is critical.
You know, a lot of people say that it's a religion.
And I think that that's what most people regard it as when you talk about Jews.
They think of Judaism and they think of a religion.
But I think that's really, it's a false premise, which comes from, I think, Western people who are familiar with liberalism and Christianity, which are universal.
And I talked about this on my show last week.
So Christians, of course, anyone who embraces Jesus can be a Christian.
And liberalism has it that any human being has dignity, whatever their physical attributes or their race or their gender or anything like that.
We're an individualist society.
And I think when people consider Judaism, they don't necessarily consider it as an exclusive group with both a genetic component and a religious component.
They just see it as a creed.
And I think that's why a lot of people think that one can convert to Judaism or that if someone doesn't maintain that creed, that they're not Jewish.
I recognize that there's a genetic component, but I have a very wide net when it comes to white people.
I include a lot of blacks and Chinese.
So I just see Jews as a religion that may even accept that Jesus is magic, but they refuse to accept that God can be more than one guy and there can be a God and a half.
So they resent, they reject the half of Jesus Christ and they say God is the only God.
And that's really the main difference between Jews and Christians.
I don't know, Brian, if we do have the video from Flawed, if we can get that up here in a second, let me know in the chat.
But we have a specific video that we're going to be bringing up in just a moment here.
So Flawed TV, he's a rapper.
And you know, there's been a lot of conversation going on in particular about what is Zionism.
And we call this a Zionism debate.
I was actually really shocked, not only that everybody who agreed to come on would, just simply the fact that people did not understand what the debate is about.
And that was one of the most genuine and authentic questions.
And so Brian, Flawed TV, he's on Rumble.
He's also on X. Went ahead and sent in a question for the group.
We'll go ahead and we'll play it.
And whoever wants to jump in right as the video ends and begin answering, we'll just go ahead and start.
That way, at any point, the rules of the debate are, if you're yip yapping and you've created a Yappuccino, I'm the only one who's allowed to do that tonight.
I will shut you the fuck off.
But if you have a good answer and you go long, feel free and I won't shut you off.
But let's be cordial and please know speaking over each other.
Brian, let's go ahead and play the video from Flawed slash Rumble Streamer and R.I.P. George Floyd.
unidentified
I have a two-part question.
I've heard my favorite rapper Kanye say Zionism and Zionist over and over and over again, but I have no idea what it means.
So my question is, what is Zionism and is it good or evil?
We're going a little slow here, but a lot of people were defining the terms here.
Classic debate mode.
So I'm trying to define Zionism.
So that was good.
All right, Vincent, jump in and let me know what do you define Zionism as?
Pretty short and simple to somebody who's retarded and never heard of it before.
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Yeah, so I guess this would be my opening statement.
I know you guys said, don't go along, but Gavin said something that, I mean, I hear people say this all the time.
They say that Zionism just means that Israel should exist.
Now, before I talk about that, I just want to say, like, there are a lot of people right now that are saying that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
Jared Kushner says this.
Ron DeSantis, who signed two bills for the state of Florida in the country of Israel, has said this.
Nikki Haley has said this.
Brett Stevens has said this.
Adam King, who's on the panel right now, will tell you to disaggregate Israeli Zionism from what he claims Zionism actually means, which he says it means peace to all nations.
He says that the term Zion refers to a utopia for all of humanity.
Well, the truth is, is that Zionism was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodore Herzl, and it was a movement with the goal of establishing a Jewish nation state by any means necessary.
Today, its goal is to develop and grow that nation state by any means necessary, even if that means sacrificing Americans, sacrificing America, sacrificing American interests.
Some people will say, and I've heard like Gavin McInnis say this, I've heard Laura Loomer say this, some people say that Zionism just means Israel should exist.
Now, my question to them would be like, which state of Israel are you talking about?
What year?
Is it the Israel of the Uganda scheme, which was proposed by the British to the Zionists and was going to be in East Africa?
When we talk about America, we don't talk about Texas and Spain.
We talk about the borders of the world today.
unidentified
Okay, so the Israel of today that is currently committing a genocide in Gaza as they annex more territory.
Or, you know, for Adam King, it's the Oded Yanan plan of the greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates.
So Gavin might disagree with the definition of Israel, Adam King's definition of Israel.
He once said on an interview that that would be sick if we had from the Nile to the Euphrates.
So that's my question there.
And then do the people who support Zionism, the idea that Israel should exist, also support all of the things that have happened in the pursuit of Zionism?
Like the secret operations against the U.S. and Western allies by Israelis and American Jews, countless false flag and direct attacks against Americans and its Western allies, endless wars and the annexation of land, Jewish American traders and the U.S. government, the seizing of power in every single American institution.
So my definition of Zionism is the correct one, and I believe that it is a force for evil.
I know you wanted to send it to Nick, but I'll just give my definition of my listening.
So, really, in truth, there's really two types of Zionism in the world.
Zionism started a lot longer than Theodore Herzl.
Actually, it was founded in part mostly by the likes of a very famous rabbi named Neville Nagon, as well as the Baal Shem Tov and the students of the Baal Shem Tov.
There are two types of Zionism are religious Zionism and secular Zionism.
So first came religious Zionism, which was a movement inside of the religious Jewish communities that pretty much said that the exile is over, that the Jews, we have a right to our homeland, and that we need to go back to our homeland in order to bring about the age of the Messiah.
So religious Zionism is very focused primarily on the bringing of the Messiah and bringing the Zion, which is heaven on earth, peace to all the world and peace to all the nations.
Secular Zionism differs a little bit from religious Zionism in the sense that these people don't really care so much about religion or the Messiah or anything like that.
They just want a place where Jews can be sovereign.
And where better to be sovereign than the land of our ancestry?
And the land that Zionism seeks is the land that is outlined in the Bible as Moses gave to the children of Israel.
So that's Zionism in a nutshell.
In the most simple definition, it's the Jewish belief in self in sovereignty, in self-discrimination.
I'd love to know where you agree or disagree with not only the people on the panel, but also just what you would define it as.
And just note, gentlemen, after Nick is done speaking, we'll start with Nick.
Nick, share with us your opinion on this and then let's give us your opening statement on your general position on this, your understanding of Zionism and anywhere you want to go.
Let's keep the remarks under two minutes for your opening statement if we can.
So in any case, so we really are the true opposites.
And it's important to note the distinction between the religious Zionists and the political Zionists or the secular Zionists.
And he's right.
I mean, the most prominent Zionists during the creation of the state of Israel were labor Zionists.
That was the first handful of prime ministers and very left-wing socialists.
And certainly it's true that a lot of Jews today, I think probably most of them in Israel would not be considered religiously Zionist.
And, you know, this regime that Netanyahu, who is cobbled together, has a lot of religious Zionist Jews in there.
And this has created a lot of tension with the United States and with Europe and even with the political situation in Israel.
And so I actually agree.
I think that, but regardless, the point is I think both secular and religious Zionists want a Jewish state in Israel.
What that looks like, how that's structured, there's difference between them.
But I guess those are the fundamental similarities.
They want a Jewish state in Palestine, in what is considered Palestine now.
Again, the scope and who's going to be in there, that's subject to debate.
My position on Zionism is I actually reject the religious Zionism more.
I don't necessarily think it's a worse thing if the Jews have a state or have their own people.
And although I think that what they're doing is inhumane and what they've done in the past is inhumane, and although I don't think the United States should support it, you know, this is a stateless people.
They're a diaspora people and they built a country and it is what it is.
You know, I'm not one of these humanitarian, you know, bleeding heart liberals that says, you know, that they're colonists or something like that.
To some extent, I do believe in a might-makes right sort of mentality because it's sort of difficult.
What is the foundation of the state other than that, other than the ability to project force within a given jurisdiction?
But the religious Zionism is troubling because, you know, Adam talks about the Messiah, but of course, the Messiah already came.
His name's Jesus Christ.
And the Messiah that Adam has in mind is going to destroy the Vatican, is going to destroy Rome in his mind.
He's going to seek retribution against the Catholic Church for all of the perceived iniquities that Rome has prosecuted against the Jews.
So, of course, I don't support this messianic religious project because it's heretical and it's blasphemous and it's wrong.
And fundamentally, it's set against and opposed to the true faith, which is Catholicism.
So, and just to sort of wrap that up, like I said, we are the true opposites in the sense that, you know, I feel like in this debate and maybe in other debates, it's a question about, you know, what should America do and liberals and this kind of thing.
And I think Adam wants America to make the world open for the Messiah.
I want America to form the world into the Catholic Church, to form the world into Jesus' church.
And so, in that sense, you know, we really are these battling twin brothers of Rome and Israel.
So that would be my opening statement.
I'm opposed to it, opposed to religious Zionism.
If there's political Zionism, I think the United States should not support it because they have been hostile towards us.
