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Aug. 26, 2023 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Trump MugShot BACKFIRES: RETRIBUTION is COMING! | Guest: Joel Jammal

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elijah schaffer
Well, we are so back.
It looks like Trump is also back as well.
donald j trump
I want to thank you for being here.
We did nothing wrong at all, and we have every right, every single right, to challenge an election that we think is dishonest.
And we think it's very dishonorable.
So, thank you all very much, and I'll see you very soon.
unidentified
So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...
God bless you.
I love you.
elijah schaffer
It is approximately 10:05 p.m. Eastern time in the United States.
My name is Elijah Schaefer, and I'm your top 17 host here on Knightly Offensive.
Let's get down.
All right, we are so back.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
Like I said, we've got some massive confetti going on here.
The show is back.
I am joined live in the studio from Australia with my guest for today, Joe Jamal, the director of Turning Point Australia.
You didn't know that there was a turning point here, but of course it is.
Joel, I'm so happy to have you here.
I'm happy to have you on a day like today where retribution is coming.
So, how the hell are you, man?
joel jammal
Yeah, I'm good, man.
And it's an absolute honor, you know, sharing a podcast with you.
You had an eye out for us, Australia, during the pandemic.
And it's an honor to actually give you an opportunity to say thank you to you for looking out for us.
One of the big accounts out there, Little Old Australia, only 25 million people.
So, thank you.
And I'm looking forward to getting into this and looking at what retribution may look like.
elijah schaffer
Well, and retribution is coming, right?
I mean, you look at this and you see what's going on here.
And I feel like, as we're going to be talking about in a moment, our top story, particularly being about, you know, not only Trump's mug shot being released, but the fact that, you know, it's Fentanyl Friday, right?
I mean, this is America's time.
This is our moment.
We're all drugged up.
We're intoxicated in what's been going on.
And the truth is, is where America goes, the entire world goes with it.
And so people in Australia, I find, are more interested in what's going on in America than probably even what's going on here because it's basically a tell-all of the times, right?
joel jammal
No, absolutely right.
When America sneezes, Australia gets a cold.
And, you know, talk about election interference.
How much has American corporations interfered in Australian democracy?
We've got the voice referendum, which is coming up soon.
We've got, you know, all of our elections.
We've had some of our biggest accounts getting censored from American corporations.
I mean, forget about regime change, forget about, you know, changing the government.
In Australia, we can't even fight free and fair elections because big tech and the fact checkers have been coming after us.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, fuck the fact checkers, honestly.
I absolutely hate them.
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Our top story today is the Trump mugshot.
It was heard around the world.
Everybody saw it and it backfired.
We're going to get down with this shit.
As they say, retribution is coming.
I saw this image come up and I saw the laser eyes.
This was supposed to be an iconic moment for the left, for the globalists, for the literal controllers of this world to tell us that they had demoralized us, that they had beaten us back down, and that we could not survive because they would get a fat black woman to put us in prison if we dare tried to revolt.
And it looks like it did not work out exactly as they had planned.
I mean, already this has become an iconic meme.
This has become historical.
I mean, this is on the news in Australia.
This is global news.
I mean, did you predict that this is what was going to happen?
Like, they were going to release this mugshot.
It was going to be the final humiliation challenge.
And then what happens?
Like always, we bought, we didn't just buy back.
Fucking took back the history books and we said dude, we're going to use this as an iconic moment, just like they did with their famous people say dude, this is, this is kind of awesome.
I'm pretty, i'm pretty stoked about this.
I don't know how you feel about it, though.
joel jammal
Everyone's pumped.
I mean, it's 2016, all over again.
You know, my favorite version of that photo is Trump with the bat over his shoulder.
It's like we're about to f shit up basically, and it's it is a revenge tour.
You know, I trust people's own self-interest and Trump is someone that has a bone to pick with the establishment, the deep state, and he should.
He should go after the intelligence agencies.
He should absolutely abolish the FBI, abolish the CIA.
What they've done to that country and other countries around the world is reprehensible.
And look at the left.
They should be right there with us, but they're not.
They're not.
They have fundamentally been taken over.
They've been, they've been that.
I don't know why Rfk is running in the Democrat Party.
We all know he's not going to get selected.
We all know they're going to do some schmozzle with super delegates or something like they did to Bernie in 2016.
Let's see what happens going forward.
But seriously everyone, this has been red meat.
I don't know.
I don't even know how they thought this was going to pan out well for them.
I have no idea.
They're completely deluded.
And um, this DA I think it was this this DA in Georgia that's gone and done this.
I mean how, how did you think this was going to play?
unidentified
Well, it's, it's.
elijah schaffer
I mean dude, it's a fat black chick like this.
Is America right, the decline of the west is uh, is being, you know, orchestrated by someone with a bmi almost as old as the country, right?
I mean, this is like it's an insane thing.
We're gonna look at pictures of her.
She's not classy and they, they picked her on purpose and you people mock me and they're like oh, playing the race card?
No no, i'm not playing the race card.
They played the race card when you watched Msnbc.
They, they brought this up right and they said hey, isn't it kind of like funny that a woman of color is going to be the one to arrest him?
And she's a fat bitch, she's an ugly bitch, she's a nasty bitch, and they love that, though.
They love that mentality right, you can't have a classy takedown, because this is, this is not a classy situation like you can't have an inordinate and i'm not just saying just because she's a woman, although partially I am, not just because she's black, although I partially am because, as we know uh, with affirmative action, these types of things right.
Unfortunately uh, which I find to be offensive if I was black, maybe I am black is that you know, a lot of black people are selected in America because of their skin color, not because they're qualified.
And I know that she's affirmative action because I saw leaked emails from her and she had grammatical errors.
Uh, it looked like it was written by my wife who has dyslexia.
It looked like someone with with with cognitive issues and, and you know, she was selected.
She ran on this, she literally ran on arresting him and they were like what better person to do this than a black fat, annoying bitch?
And it's like dude to me.
I I don't think this helps their anti-racism card or anything.
When you select someone because of their skin color to attack somebody, I feel like it just continually adds to more of the problem that they're trying to prevent.
And I want to bring this up here because this is really fantastic.
Donald Trump immediately owns the situation and just says fuck you to everybody.
And his first post back on x, formerly Twitter, is a fundraising uh link to Donaldjtrump.com, and if I can just get this up here for a second, he uh, yeah.
He brings this up mugshot, puts the date, August 24th, 2023, election interference, never surrender, looking like a boss.
I feel like this is a power move, right?
Like this is a, this is a, you want to slap me down?
Fuck you.
joel jammal
Yeah.
I think, you know, single-handedly, he just won the prison population.
I know they can't vote, but he single-handedly got a lot of the hood on his side because of this.
And the idea that he's going through this from someone like Joe Biden, who laughed when he was asked about this mugshot, it's amazing, the hubris.
And the moment he was arrested and this mugshot was released, the Biden campaign put out, oh, if you want to donate to the Biden campaign, you know, here it is.
No sense of, you know, oh, we're sorry that this has happened.
This is how far America has fallen.
It's like, no, no, no.
If you want to donate, go here.
Just completely shameless.
And it's like, what happened, America?
You guys are meant to be like the home of the brave.
Like, the world is like looking to you for leadership and this has gone and happened.
This is nuts.
You're having a massive crisis of conscience.
And until America gets its crap together, the rest of the world's going to suffer.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I don't know if you saw this, but Joe Biden actually weighed in on this.
They asked him what he thought about this, and here's what he had to say.
unidentified
Obviously, I'm concerned.
I think that there should be a circumstance where the jobs that are being displaced are replaced with new jobs.
They should go to the first choice should go to the UAW member who had the job.
And the salary should be conventional.
Have you seen Donald Trump's mugshot yet?
Are you writing at all about that?
I did see it on television.
What'd you think?
Handsome guy.
This guy.
elijah schaffer
Dude.
unidentified
So he's being like booed, right, in the background.
elijah schaffer
And they say, have you seen Trump's mugshot?
And he laughs, which is not hiding it.
And the sad part is I'm not even entirely sure.
And this is realistic, right?
I'm not going to go boomer con and be like, oh, you know, he's, you know, he's trying to take over the world.
Like, part of me just thinks he's like mentally not there and he's just short-circuiting, right?
Just like, like, ah, shit.
Like, no one prepped me for this answer.
But his natural answer is that Trump looked handsome.
Honestly, not a bad answer.
It's actually pretty good.
But at the same time, very bizarre for a president to be calling his opponent's mugshot handsome.
Like, I don't feel like I'm prepared like he is for this moment.
I wouldn't know how to respond.
I don't know how to respond.
Like, is this the correct way a sitting president should be responding?
joel jammal
I'd like to think that, you know, a moral president would be like, look, this is a sad day for America.
The office has been brought into disrepute.
This should never have happened.
This is why I think I have a mandate from the American people.
They want back to normalcy.
They don't want what Donald Trump delivered.
But no, he laughs.
unidentified
He laughs.
joel jammal
It's like, that is the most telling thing.
It says the quiet part out loud that this is totally vindictive.
There's no substance to what this DA has served him.
What do you call it?
The Enrico way.
It's the way they sort of, they collect all of the different criminals together, including the boss, so that they can actually get everyone together and charge someone with something.
Donald Trump didn't actually do anything wrong in this particular case.
There's a whole bunch of other cases where it's closer, but it's not even close with this.
They even got his own lawyer in this particular circumstance.
This is complete crap.
It's a banana republic.
And we're seeing this sort of thing happen all over the world, even in Australia with Scott Morrison, who I'm no fan of.
But Anthony Albanese basically going after him for RoboDebt, among others.
elijah schaffer
By the way, that's the prime minister people don't want to know, similar to the president, if you're not familiar with global politics.
Same guy, just clarifying to the American audience.
joel jammal
But the idea that you go after your political opponents, this is some kind of banana republic.
America, you've got to reject this.
This is absolutely nuts.
And I think it's been very good to see a lot of Americans in the Republican side, even that aren't really Trump voters come on the Trump side.
He's your guy.
He needs to clean this up.
And then whoever wants to run after him, go for it.
But he has to clean this up.
You can't allow them to get away with this crap.
elijah schaffer
No, you can't.
And I think I have here, he actually came out and he responded to this.
He actually responded after being arrested here on this video.
And here's what he had to say.
donald j trump
Thank you very much for being here.
I really believe this is a very sad day for America.
This should never happen.
If you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge an election.
unidentified
I thought the election was a rigged election, a stolen election.
donald j trump
And I should have every right to do that.
As you know, you have many people that you've been watching over the years do the same thing, whether it's Hillary Clinton or Stacey Abrams or many others.
When you have that great freedom to challenge, you have to be able to, otherwise you're going to have very dishonest elections.
What has taken place here is a travesty of justice.
We did nothing wrong.
I did nothing wrong.
And everybody knows it.
I've never had such support.
And that goes with the other ones, too.
What they're doing is election interference.
They're trying to interfere with an election.
There's never been anything like it in our country before.
This is their way of campaigning.
And this is one instance, but you have three other instances.
It's election interference.
So I want to thank you for being here.
We did nothing wrong at all.
And we have every right, every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest.
And we think it's very dishonest.
So thank you all very much.
And I'll see you very soon.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I'm going to have to side with him on this.
And I know this show sometimes is like a good mix between being funny and not serious, but also being genuinely, positively, absolutely serious.
And I always said this show started as a joke.
And then it quickly, the world became the joke.
And then we became an actor in it.
And that's the hard part, right?
And so I found myself accidentally becoming a journalist, accidentally becoming a reporter.
And I'm back being a reporter again now for the Gateway Pundit because I stepped out for a second, I chilled, and things are starting to get insane.
So I've got to, you know, actually do my own research.
And when we look at this and we go straight to the source, I mean, genuinely, I don't think he's lying.
And this is indeed even just because I support Trump.
He's being charged because he questioned an election.
That is questionable.
Like, YouTube just reversed their terms of service that you can now question the election.
And that's not because any other reason than it's very questionable.
Like, it sounds stupid and rudimentary for me to say this, but it's like there's so much evidence that there was foul play, that Mike Pence should have returned the vote back to the states of the electorate.
He should have.
But Mike Pence is a piece of shit, motherfucker.
Fuck that guy.
And because in the favor of the fact that we're in Australia, he's a cunt.
That's what we can say that here.
Not just say an American.
joel jammal
You can't say that here.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but you can't say it here.
And not in the term of endearment.
He literally is.
Because I was there that day in January 6th.
He knew what he should have done, but he was afraid of the elite class.
And when we watched the primary debate, when we watched against the Republicans, they were so concerned about defending Israel and Ukraine.
And I saw more fire, except from Vivek, between Nikki Haley, which we'll watch in a little bit, between Mike Pence, between Chris Christie.
They were more concerned for the well-being of foreign nations on another continent, another land, than they were about this country.
And why?
Because they hate America.
They work for the ruling class, and that's why they hate Trump.
And he got snaked.
He got snaked by bringing Pence on.
I don't know if you agree, but that's what I think.
joel jammal
My commentary was censored at the time as well.
I had a show at the time.
You guys might remember during 2020, Trump was nominated by an Australian emeritus professor, Professor David Flint, for the Nobel Peace Prize.
He was one of the people that, the nomination, he's a friend of mine.
He said, where was Pence?
What happened at the time?
This is like, this dude's like, he's OG.
He's like 80 years old.
He's one of the most foremost experts on the Australian Constitution.
And when he was looking at the American situation, he said, where was Pence?
We've seen it.
It's been done in the past.
That's what he even said in the Tucker interview.
Like, he was the way the Electoral College works is that the vice president is allowed to actually put aside those votes.
And the idea that it hadn't been done before is a lie.
And if he couldn't do that, then why is the Democrats later on passed legislation to clarify that fact?
It's because Pence could have done it.
And so Pence spent almost the entire debate just trying to, a couple nights ago, clear his name.
I'm not a traitor.
It's like, no, man, you had an obligation and you betrayed the Constitution.
That's why people call you a traitor.
You know, what happened on January 6th was an absolute dereliction of his responsibility.
And it has completely screwed up the country when Trump had three excellent years and in 2020, it ruined it because of what happened with COVID.
It was Pence's opportunity to actually be loyal to the end and to the Constitution.
Forget about Trump, to the Constitution.
And he stuffed it.
It left the whole world incredibly salty about what he had done.
elijah schaffer
And I don't think Americans understand that, though, is that people overseas, at least the people I talk to, know that the election looked sketchy, right?
And it still seems sketchy because the response to it wasn't investigate, try, look into it.
It's let's incriminate people for literally questioning what's going on.
And I want to bring up a video here that I think is absolutely insane.
MSNBC, and by the way, this is the top story.
If you're just tuning in live, this is going to be an extended, usually this segment's about 15 minutes.
It's going to be extended because it'd be a dereliction of our duty to not cover this in extensive detail on what's going on.
I don't want to give you the, you know, just, oh, Trump's a king.
And I don't want to give you the Trump's evil.
I want to look at really what's happening in our society.
And I think you can reflect on that from what happened from this MSNBC report.
So this hag, right, an unhappy older woman, decided that she was going to weigh in.
And just like how Biden laughed or chuckled when he was asked about the mug shot, watch as she can't hold back her laughing when she's talking about Trump being tried in a court.
She literally cannot hold back her joy on national television.
This is so insane.
Listen to this.
nicolle wallace
Just a few minutes ago, Donald Trump, the disgraced ex-president, the frontrunner for the Republican nominee for president, four times indicted, departed his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.
He's en route to Fulton County, Georgia, via Newark airport, we believe.
He will surrender himself for processing at an overcrowded jail with a reputation for violence and neglect.
A jail that is accustomed to holding defendants facing charges up to and including violent crimes where stabbings are frequent.
Actually, three people have lost their lives over the last month.
unidentified
Four people.
nicolle wallace
That jail is where the disgraced ex-president of these United States is heading right now.
unidentified
She's like, it would be a shame if that was a fifth.
joel jammal
That's the line that was missing that she had to cut out.
It's like the American media is an absolute joke.
I mean, Australia, it's like they do, they uphold some standards, some, and I'm not no fan of them.
But in America, it's like, well, like, come on, man.
I don't even know how you're still in action.
It's nuts.
elijah schaffer
Well, that's because it is state media.
Like, it's proven, right, as we saw from the Twitter files, that the federal government is literally calling for censorship.
We know, and I know this for a matter of fact, because I told people I was offered a good amount of money, number one, to make a video in favor of Qatar at one point, right?
I've been contacted by nation states.
And I was also recently at the height or the beginning of the Ukraine war, I was offered a very good amount of money.
This company was going to produce the entire video for me.
I basically had to just narrate it, and they were going to write everything, and it was a lot of money.
We're talking about more than $10,000 for one video.
Okay, now that's not incredibly a lot of money, but in retrospect, for having to just record your voice for a couple of minutes, $10,000 breaks down to a lot of money per second.
And, you know, the kind of money that's in this, the truth is that people aren't loyal to their country because they're not loyal to anything internally.
We're no longer nations of conviction.
That's why our buildings are ugly.
That's why our families are broken.
That's why our personal lives are in pieces.
People are loyal to one thing only.
It's a narcissism.
It's an individualism.
And it's this sort of, I think it's a fear of man, which is why the Bible warns so much about the fear of man, is that people want to be accepted and they're very afraid of being considered in the outgroup.
This is the danger of women in politics overall.
There are many successful women in politics today, right?
There are even some successful women here.
But the main issue with women in politics to me is not because of some individual woman that I'm like, I hate her, which there's plenty of them, but there's plenty of men I hate too.
It's the switching of politics into an emotion, drama, personal life, personal attack, sort of, you know, high school-like game rather than based on policy and seriousness.
And it's also this idea of politics about being accepted and liked rather than doing what you're called to do and what's difficult.
So now it's more about being accepted rather than conquest, more than setting out to be set apart.
You are set to be put in.
And the media falls in line with that too.
Journalism is no longer about risking your life to tell a story.
It's about saving your ass to make money.
And so there's been this flip, this gynocentric feminization of society.
Some women I know are even against it.
And they work in it by de facto, right?
Some like Pauline Hansen would be somebody who is a member of parliament, right?
Or whatever.
Senate, member, senator, and she would probably even stand against the direction things have gone.
And so, you know, when you see this woman laughing and you see people going on this, I hate this.
People always say men can't be friends with women.
Why do they say that?
They say, because it always turns into drama.
There's always tension.
So if men can't be friends with women and it always ends in problems, what happens when a country, when politics brings on a feminine role?
And this is where like conservatives, right-wingers, need to stop bitching out and stop being afraid of being seen as sexist or whatever and realize like there is a hierarchy.
There is God, there is man, there is woman.
And it's not because women are less valuable.
It's because they're a complement and our culture is off, right?
So the families are broken, the nation is broken, and therefore society as a whole, the global system is broken.
And I just don't see us making ground or like going any further ahead when the way that we're dealing with things is like we're trying to get Trump arrested so that we can make him look bad.
Trump doesn't give a fuck if he looks bad.
I don't care if I look bad.
You can say whatever you want about me.
I'm not going to stop because I'm convicted on what I believe.
I'm doing this because I believe in it.
And I think that's why they can't defeat Trump because he believes in what he's doing.
And that's why his haters always look like fools because, yeah, he makes mistakes.
He fucked up with the vaccines and stuff, but he's still a man of conviction.
joel jammal
Yeah, you mentioned Pauline Hansen.
What her and Trump have in common is authenticity.
That's fundamentally what it is.
And anyone that adopts that around the world, they're doing very well.
A lot of people have been wondering why is it authenticity ranks so high.
My running theory over the last few years has been the fact that, you know, even Bernie in 2016, he was a lot more authentic than Hillary.
I think what it was was the fact that technology has completely shat like torn the curtain so we can see how the grimy cogs of government work.
And as a result, we're having this massive sort of knee-jerk reaction to anything corrupt, anything shrouded in secrecy in the government, anything with regards to the media, anything with regards to corporations.
We want Uber transparency.
We want Uber authenticity.
And Trump is someone, I mean, look at him.
He's the only president that's had his mug shot taken as you know after he's left office.
And so the idea that the man is being attacked is the best marketing tactic for him.
I think that what we're going to see going forward is people continue to solidify behind Trump.
Yesterday was the best day for Trump, and I'm looking forward to seeing what he comes up with next.
elijah schaffer
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One of the funny aspects of this, Joel, that I'm like finding hilarious.
If you're just joining in with me, this is Joel Jamal, Jamal, Jamal, however you want to say it.
He's the director of Turning Point Australia.
And out here, they're in the same cry for help that we're all in.
People that have opinions, you know, on different varying opinions on Turning Point.
One thing I thought was really interesting is watching Charlie Kirk get more and more based.
He just tweeted out the other day that it's good to be proud to be white.
He literally just tweeted that out.
He literally put that out, him and Matt Walsh, like at the same time.
Because it's getting down to the wire that, you know, bullshitting, grifting, all these things, it's changing minds because we're seeing that Western civilization is under attack at a level that we have never seen before.
And there is no more time to play into the left strategies of trying to look like you're not racist or, you know, fight, oh, I'm not a Nazi and all this stuff.
Like, if you're not, then just fuck it.
You're not.
You don't need to defend yourself anymore.
The time of defense, we have to be on offense.
I feel like that's where we have to be.
joel jammal
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I mean, you know, people, you know, some people have joked that I'm the diversity hive turning point.
You know, Australia and immigrants, I'm a Syrian and Lebanese Christian, and Australia has a huge immigrant population.
A lot of Muslims, a lot of Middle Eastern Christians that have come here, especially in Sydney.
And, you know, the idea that conservatism is white is completely complete crap.
You know, there's no crisis of LGBT stuff in the Middle East.
There's no question of where that stuff belongs.
And the idea that, you know, Turning Point or people like Matt Walsh, you know, it's a controversial statement to say, you know, it's okay to be white.
In Australia, Pauline Hansen said that.
And she was lambasted in the Senate by the left-wing senators, the Green senators for saying that.
Of course, it's okay to be white.
It's okay to have Western civilization as the place that you get your morals from.
But the idea that we can't come together and actually put those values out there, that's where the left has been warring against us.
We've got to be unapologetic.
We've got to stop.
They keep doing these red herring things where they want you to explain yourself.
F the explanation.
You're clearly over the target.
You're doing great stuff.
Keep doing that.
Don't let them distract you.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
And I also, can I say this, a point about being a Syrian Christian that I find to be important is, well, I hate this also cope on the right wing where they're really pairing up with Muslims.
I don't like this.
And there was a goal, well, Middle Eastern Muslims get it right about LGBTQ stuff.
My brothers in Christ, so do Middle Eastern Christians.
And there's a lot of Middle Eastern Christians.
Not everyone's an Arab, a direct Arab, right?
unidentified
Too.
elijah schaffer
People don't think the Middle East, just Arabs, Arabs.
There's plenty of people groups that are out there, as well, a lot of minorities, a lot of different ethnicities.
And there's also a lot of Arab Christians.
So, you know, it's not just Muslims.
It's also like a cultural institution because it's, it's, remember out here, there are plenty of gay loving Muslims out in the United States.
There are plenty of gay-loving Christians and these kinds of things that don't have it correct.
And we need to be more about the fundamental understanding of what's correct.
You know who has it right on the gay stuff?
The hood, which I want to talk about for a moment.
Trump actually was driving through Georgia.
He was driving through the hood and he's actually getting support from the homies.
Check this out.
unidentified
I'm talking about they got everybody.
elijah schaffer
I mean, but look at, they're like screaming, right?
The homies are pro are pro-Trump now.
I mean, he's a G, right?
I mean, he's got a mug shot.
There's a little bit of a respect on it.
And I don't, I don't understand.
I guess black people do vote Democrat or vote left because of the free handouts and just the systematic sort of brainwashing.
But for the most part, it's like Trump's a G. If you're into hood culture, I feel like Trump's an original gangster.
joel jammal
It's the same here.
We get a lot of Muslims.
We get a lot of people that are recent immigrants.
They feel like they're obligated to vote for Labor, the left-wing party here, the Democrats here, because they're like, oh, these are the people that allowed us to come in in vast numbers.
We don't want to rock the boat.
These are people that have our back.
But in actuality, over time, we are seeing a shift.
We are seeing a lot of immigrants that have conservative social values actually shift more to the right wing and start voting for right-wingers now.
And it's really fascinating to see that in America because we certainly saw that in Florida with South Americans voting for Trump in huge numbers in 2020.
And yeah, Trump's black vote, it's one of the highest.
It is the highest in recent memory for Republican nominees.
And I think it's great.
I mean, he's getting close to what, 30% of the black vote is voting for Trump now.
That's great to see.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I don't know if you saw this, though.
The idea here of this is the person that is basically running the indictment of Trump.
And it's just so classless, right?
It's just so disgusting.
joel jammal
Well, you know, her color and her, you know, being a DA, a Democrat DA in Georgia, it shouldn't even be what the commentators are talking about on the mainstream media.
They should be talking about the substance.
And the fact is, there is no substance.
It's all about optics.
It's all about nailing Trump.
They're completely, this is Trump derangement syndrome, you know, like a perfect example.
Like, I don't even know why this DA has sort of been turned into a hero.
She'll probably get a book deal or something after this.
It's completely crazy.
elijah schaffer
Oh, she's in a teaching position at like Cambridge Law or something, right?
I mean, that's, I think I put this caption here.
Hey, big boy, what you up to tonight?
I'm feeling in the mood to, well, you know, maybe fuck an entire country or something like that.
That's how I get those vibes from her, right?
It's sort of a, it makes me wonder.
It genuinely leaves me questioning, are we putting our best foot forward as a country or is this intentionally we're not putting our best foot forward, right?
And that's more of the question I have is with Biden as president, with her in office, like, are we trying to be feckless retards?
And maybe that is.
Maybe it's part of the humiliation ritual, right?
Because a lot of policy in the West feels like a humiliation ritual.
And I always say this is a very interesting, you know, you know, tidbit is it's like, like there are, like, at the forefront, right?
If you want to talk about race, at the forefront of a lot of the insanity is literally batshit crazy white people.
That's literally the truth, right?
Working with foreign governments, entities to screw over the West.
But when you combine forces, like I know plenty of people like yourself, Syrian, whatever, who are more in line with my views for the West than anything else.
And the West, being that it is a people, right?
And because there are Syrian people, there are Eastern people.
There are Western people.
There are Brits and there are people that are out there.
There is a distinction, but there's also something called Western ideals.
There's a Western society and a Western culture that also they're trying to pretend like doesn't exist.
They're trying to say we're all this multicultural melting pot, this idea.
And multiculturalism is not the way.
It's not about adopting different cultures.
Because even if you go down to Sydney today, there's a hell of a lot of Asians.
They're not assimilating.
They just live in their enclaves.
And people are naturally split.
And so this lack of like cultural, you know, you know, hegemony or this weird lack of identity, I think, I think it might just be by design to weaken the country as a whole because then it creates grievance politics.
It creates a divisive action.
You can't unite together.
I don't know what the point of it is, but I think it's also part of this too.
It can be used as a weapon.
When you divide people by race and you divide people through class like this, it's a communist, natural, you know, I guess pluralistic way of keeping people from uniting.
We watched it with the Bolsheviks.
We watched it go on in Russia and it's the same thing happening today.
It's like they tell you race doesn't matter.
They tell you multiculturalism is good.
And then the moment you get a black woman, they start talking about how it's great because you got to get black revenge and we can get all this.
And you see the real true idea of why they're pushing all this shit.
It's because they really just want to fuck shit up.
It's not because they care.
And it's like, it's sad because people believe in this dream that multiculturalism is going to work.
And truly, it's only going to lead to our decline.
joel jammal
Yeah, look, Australia being an island nation, we've had to be very selective about who we allow into the country.
And I do think there are fundamental questions which should be assessed and asked of those coming in.
Like, do you believe in the equality between men and women?
Do you believe in equality before the law?
Do you believe that you should learn and understand the language when you come into the country?
Do you believe, you know, I think there should be some free speech requirements.
There should be some freedom of understanding of cash and all that in society.
There are fundamental values which we should have when we vet people coming into the country.
I definitely don't think it should be assessed by ethnicity because obviously I don't think with my eyebrows just as Candace Owens doesn't think with her skin.
And I think that you've got to assess these things on values and on substance rather than assessing people by the color of their skin, rather than the content of the character, which is better.
So I think that's a recipe for success for a country.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but sometimes the content of character can be understood by the color of their skin.
And that's the unfortunate thing.
Like there's a reason why, right?
Like when you look at these African immigrants coming into all these countries, quite frankly, they're not adding anything even into their own nations.
Now, you can ask why that's the case.
Some people argue it's because they haven't built up their own societies.
Some people argue it's because the West has taken the resources and prevented them from building up their societies.
I don't know, but when you're just importing third world people, right?
Like black people from Africa, they're just not on a large scale going to contribute.
You're talking about IQ issues.
You're talking about cultural issues.
You're talking about like when you ask these ideas like, you know, equality and stuff.
I'd say from certain nations, immigration should be restricted close to zero, if very tight, because you should know.
Like people are coming from Somalia.
They probably don't share our values, right?
Like, do you get what I'm saying with this?
joel jammal
It's like, there are correlations.
There are correlations.
elijah schaffer
Correct.
Like, you can't dismiss race altogether because, like, just quite frankly, as one Australian I met here was like, I was like, damn, Sydney's super Asian.
And he's like, yeah, but like, Asians don't like fuck with us and they don't like shoot us and stuff.
And that's just like a true statement, right?
Asians are just like not committing acts of violence.
Why?
We probably can't discuss that on YouTube.
But like, you know, you go to Melbourne and you see or you go into anywhere in the U.S. and you see the same type of people.
Who am I talking about?
Youths, basketball players, hooded individuals, whatever they're calling them in America today.
There's a correlation problem in every single country around the world, which should make us look at that and go, hey, why don't we fucking stop importing these people until we figure out what the hell's going on?
You know, it's like my famous saying, white women, let's stop them until we understand what's happening in this country, right?
Let's stop importing people from these third world countries that fuck up shit and do race riots in France and stuff before we just keep acting like everywhere in the world is like an equal opportunity.
It's like, no, I don't know.
I know you saw what you were saying, but that's where I get like nervous because it's like, I feel like people take that everybody is equal idea or like race doesn't matter and they say like it doesn't matter at all.
joel jammal
Look, it doesn't, it doesn't not matter at all, but it is also not a way to judge immigration policy.
I think for the longest time during Tony Abbott's, he was a former prime minister for the Conservative Party in Australia.
He got a pretty good balance.
You shouldn't open up the floodgates to anyone.
But at the same time, you do have to assess people on an individual basis.
You may find correlations, yeah.
But what you should be prioritizing, not restricting, it's not about restricting.
It's what does your country need?
What does your economy need?
You need high skilled workers that share your social values of the country, free speech, equality between men and women, and a Judeo-Christian background is actually quite helpful.
But at the same time, there are many of the most awesome contributing people to America, like Patrick Bett David.
I don't think he came to America as a Christian, but he came there and he's made a significant contribution.
elijah schaffer
Contribution by a lot.
joel jammal
Yeah, exactly.
And he's a good man.
I look at him now.
I mean, he's on the verge of interviewing someone like Elon Musk.
He's on the verge of, you know, I hope he can one day become a contender in the presidential elections in the distant future.
But looking at individuals on an individual basis is very important.
It's the same reason why, you know, take race out of it.
We're talking about politicians.
It's the same situation.
You can't assess all politicians and say, oh, they're all pedos.
Oh, they're all, you know, they're all complicit with the World Economic Forum.
It's like, no, hang on, guys.
Some of them actually believe the crap the media feeds them.
But if you take the time to sit down with them, there are some that actually do turn.
We've got a number of what I call freedom senators in this country.
I've got a whole collage of them on a state and federal level.
There are some great people out there and many of which that didn't come around straight away.
But, you know, it's the same reason why it's wrong to paint all politicians the same way.
It's the same with individuals around the world.
I think you'll find that immigrants, for example, they're the most pissed off people when they see people jumping at the front of the line.
You know, if you go to southwestern Sydney and you pick out the local Muslim guy that's actually been, you know, come here, he's gone through the proper process, he's passed all the checks, and you say, hey, here's an image of a boatload of people from South Asia and they've just been unloaded here.
The Labour government has allowed them in.
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That guy's going to be pretty pissed because he's going to be like, hey, I came here.
joel jammal
I share certain values.
I tick certain boxes.
It was a seven-year process.
Why is it these guys can jump to the head of the queue?
I think you'll find that immigrants, Australia is an immigrant nation after all.
elijah schaffer
Colonialation.
I don't know.
And that's why I don't care if this is disrespectful because I don't know when you came here.
But I mean, technically, I'm an immigrant here, too, right?
Right.
I mean, that's theoretically speaking.
I mean, I'm not.
joel jammal
I was born here.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
But unironically, you're the one who was born here, right?
And I'm the immigrant.
So I know that there's like, you know, the demographics of nations are shifting and changing.
But I'd also say Syrian Christians are not at the top of the list of immigrants to Western countries that I would be highly worried about, right?
Like I do get worried about Syrian Muslims or lower-end Syrian Muslims, like lower-class Syrian Muslims, particularly that are immigrating in hordes, right?
And I think that what bothers me the most about the immigration is that I don't think that it's being done on character.
I think that the...
joel jammal
They're doing a terrible job of it.
Right.
We're in agreement there, man.
Nigel Farage, he points to the way that Tony Abbott ran Australia's immigration, especially in 2013.
And he said, that was excellent.
That's how it should be done.
We want a points-based system for the UK, which is a complicated concept.
But we do it here.
I think we've got the right balance here.
Now, in recent years, with the amount of immigration that's happened, it's been done terribly wrong.
elijah schaffer
There was a shift here.
It was like the country, by the way, the 1950s had like 10 million people.
In about 70 years, it about doubled, two and a half.
And now they're saying within like 25 years, it'll be like double of what it is now.
joel jammal
Yeah, we're getting like, I think it's almost 200 to 300,000 a year.
I think that's right.
Now, that's nuts for a country of 25 million.
Forget about race and values for a second.
Our infrastructure can't handle it.
You know, we talk about America, Flint, Michigan.
Everyone loves referencing that.
They can't get fresh water in Flint, Michigan.
Your roads aren't up to standard.
It only makes up 2% of your GDP or something, your expenditure.
The idea that our infrastructure is up to scratch is complete crap.
I come from the property development industry in Australia.
And my background in understanding infrastructure is that we don't have the capacity for 300K people every year in this country.
We're still playing catch-up.
We haven't had a new dam built in New South Wales, for example, in the last 50 years.
Where are we going to get the water from?
How are we going to build the roads are already chocker block?
The idea that immigration is clogging up the system and there's a big conspiracy.
Oh, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of evidence to point that out.
But that's even leaving out the social cohesion out of it.
But our infrastructure is playing catch-up.
elijah schaffer
It's pretty bad.
I'm not going to lie.
I thought this country would be more advanced in its infrastructure, but it's actually, in some ways, it's a little bit worse than the United States in terms of overall.
Like, I would say even Texas has better infrastructure than most places I've been to in Australia.
joel jammal
But GDP is the same as Australia's.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I think, I think the whole count state is about the same.
But what does bother me, though, and what is close to my heart, and I don't want to harp too much on this interview, but I think that on a way of particularly white Westerners trying not to look racist, right?
Because there's a, I've seen a lot of videos where you ask black people, are you proud to be black?
And universally, they're all like, yes, right?
It's a Jubilee.
I don't know if you're familiar with Jubilee, but they do these like trending videos.
And they ask all these black people, you know, go on a scale of strongly disagree to strongly agree.
Are you proud to be black?
And everybody goes over to agree or strongly agree.
And then they do the same thing with white people and they go to either strongly disagree or disagree.
And the closest they could get to agree is somebody on the middle line.
And I find that to be an extreme, extremely radical programming of a group of people to feel like you cannot be proud of, when you say white, right, what does that mean?
Proud of your heritage, proud of your culture, proud of your food, right?
White people don't believe they have a culture anymore.
They don't believe they have a food.
I've seen, you know, the strange thing is you can ask an Asian person what white people food is and they know.
But you ask a white person what white people food is and they seem to think it doesn't exist, right?
And they seem to think the culture doesn't exist because they're living in it and it's been exported.
But what I find to be scary to me is I don't find it to be any other nations in the world, right?
Like you even say, well, I'm Syrian, Australian or whatever, like from Syria.
It's like, where will the white people's homeland be if like Sadiq Khan, right?
The mayor of London was caught annotating graphics.
They were going to put a white family on a advertisement in London.
And his team put, this does not represent Londoners, right?
A white family.
They got caught recently in that, the mayor of London.
So when like, you know, the British are like, they're tribes, they were people.
This is a land.
There's Celtic people.
I mean, depending on where you go in the UK and the different islands, right?
You have the Irish.
These are people.
Now that our lands are being seen as like economic thorough outputs and we're seen as the value of our GDP, I think a lot of white people are genuinely getting upset because our countries are seen as economic sort of like cash cows rather than a nation of people that are actually unified by a language, by a race, kind of like Syrians are Syrian or Chinese.
There's different dialects.
There's different groups.
We know that in every country.
But it seems like at the rate of what's coming on, it seems like replacement.
But of course, the Australian media still runs with that conspiracy theory that replacement is a conspiracy theory.
Do you believe it is or no?
joel jammal
No, look, look, to an extent, I mean, that's a very loaded phrase.
Can I just say, Elijah, this topic is not a very loaded topic in Australia.
Americans don't know much about the Aussie culture.
We don't really have a lot of black people here.
And we don't have a lot of South Americans here.
We have some, but we actually have more WOGs.
We have more Italians.
We have more Greeks.
We have more Middle Easterners, like I'm Lebanese and Syrian, and Armenians.
We've got a big mix.
They're almost our sort of black and Hispanic people in this country.
They're the ones that sort of set a bit of culture, especially in Sydney.
And so this topic of black and white, it's not as loaded in Australia.
We sort of, the way we get over racism in Australia is we take the mickey out of everyone.
You know, white people, we crack jokes about it.
We put Aussie accents on and go, yeah, chuck a snag on the Barbie, mate.
Like we, we, like in school, it is a melting pot of Asians and Hispanics and Lebs and like the whole black, white thing, it's an American thing.
And a lot of Aussie politicians try to play that card here.
And it doesn't land because average Aussies don't give a F. Like, honestly, man, like, I'm looking at this debate and I understand why a chat like this in America would be fascinated with the topic.
But Aussies don't care.
They really don't.
It's such a, it's a funny topic because there's so many people on the left here.
They try to drag Aboriginals and make the Aboriginals the black people of this country.
But even in Aboriginal culture, it's divided here.
elijah schaffer
But yeah, look, on that side note, I'm just saying that like there's even a legislation that is trying to push for what's called the voice that people are not familiar with.
It's supposed to like the best way I could put it is if BLM got everything that they wanted, that's what the voice would be.
But for Aboriginal people, it's like a far-left move to decentralize power away from the people, put it in the hands of basically non-elected bureaucrats.
It gives an unfair amount of share of the GDP, etc.
And a lot of Aboriginals are actually against it because they feel like it's going to be abused, just like a lot of black people are against BLM, right?
Because they're like, this doesn't represent black people.
This isn't what we want.
We don't want to burn loot and murder.
We want to, you know, build ourselves up.
Even out here, they have the same issue, right?
Where the far left is like taking advantage of the minority population and trying to use them to just exert some sort of like foreign control.
It's just weird.
It's the same play-by-play, though.
I feel like even though you say it's different here, I still see the same sort of far-left, like communist influence to take advantage of minorities and use them to sort of divide the country against, you know, demonize the white populace.
Like that's kind of like the same.
joel jammal
You're 100% correct.
You're 100% correct.
They want to demonize where you get your values from, your Judeo-Christian sort of roots.
That's what it's about.
My job as running Turning Point Australia, a sort of self-appointed job later on I came into the Turning Point brand, is to actually adapt what we've seen in America, adapt what we've seen in the UK with Brexit to an Australian context and how we can combat what the establishment is throwing at us because there is an establishment.
The funny thing about the voice is it will fail.
And it's going to be Australia's Brexit moment.
It's going to be Australia's Trump 2016 moment.
And our vote has been set for the 14th of October.
Watch what happens.
It's going to be absolutely hilarious.
The idea is that they have a council of 24 members that may or may not be Aboriginal.
And they're like almost like a high court.
They're allowed to actually dictate to the government and say, no, you can't, you're not allowed to do that legislation.
You know, here is our advice of what we want you to do, basically.
Now, average Aussies, they're not falling for this crap.
They do not like it at all.
elijah schaffer
Surprisingly.
joel jammal
Well, I'm not surprised at all if you go back to my videos in September last year, because I saw the tricks.
America, and this is what's so important about America.
You guys are the leaders of the free world.
A lot of these problems, you've already faced them.
The only reason I'm as cool as a cucumber over the last few years is because I've seen you guys combat these things.
And I'm like, oh, okay, this is happening to you guys in this way.
It's similar to Australia in this way, but it's slightly different here.
We will be fine.
But my big concern is America.
You guys have massive censorship that you're exporting to the rest of the world.
The voice, we're going to beat that thing, even though big tech is censoring us.
We're going to smash it because Aussies, they are skeptical of their own shadows.
They don't like anything that's coordinated.
And there is nothing more coordinated than this voice referendum.
I won't get into the detail of it, but 80% of Aboriginals live rurally.
20% of Aboriginals in this country live in the urban centers.
The rural Aboriginals do not want this.
Like, there is a map of Aboriginal tribes, like over 100 of them.
And they're like, what do you mean?
One voice for all of us?
No, we are all one mob.
We are our own tribes.
elijah schaffer
They've been warning for a long time.
It's like, I mean, look, the Crips and the Bloods can't even get along in the hood, right?
So it's like, you're not going to have a movement called Black Lives Matter and somehow speak for all black people in the U.S.
And you're not going to speak for the voice.
But it didn't stop them from trying.
But I do think it's going to fail.
Although I will say my favorite part about the whole referendum was the liquor stores getting on board with it.
Like, and yeah, like Dan Murphy's, which is like equivalent of like their like, you know, whatever, just big, big liquor store.
It's like, they wanted everyone to wear yes t-shirts.
And they're like, oh, yeah, we got, you know, I'm like, because the, well, if you don't know this, Aboriginals have a bit of a propensity towards the grog, towards the liquor.
And I just thought it was funny that it's like the same thing where you saw people who were supporting BLM in the U.S.
It was like this real patronizing, you know what I mean?
Like communist groups and like, you know, Hennessy for BLM and shit like that.
And it's like Nike, you know what I mean?
Like people just taking advantage of black people's like low income and, you know, they spend their whole check on a pair of Js or whatever.
You see it out here where it's like a liquor store is fighting for the Aboriginals.
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And as we're talking about the voice and we're getting into this, we do have to talk about some more madness.
it looks like COVID is back and the insanity Alright, we're back with Joel Jamal, director of Turning Point Australia Really happy to have him on the show today.
He's welcome on anytime he wants.
Recent reports just came out that are saying that COVID restrictions are coming back.
This is universal around the world.
It is ironic that Australia started releasing notices saying, actually, we're not, you know, bringing this back.
I don't trust anybody.
Take a look at this report from Fox 26.
unidentified
COVID-19 cases has led to pandemic era mandates.
We're turning to some places.
Yeah, mask mandates are making a comeback in some parts of the nation as a new sub-variant rises.
While infection rates are nowhere near pandemic levels, this spike in cases has doctors on alert and warning against panic, though.
Many remind the public to practice good hygiene by washing their hands frequently.
A surge in COVID-19 cases has led to panic.
elijah schaffer
All right.
So they're saying that it's coming back.
So let's just start here and bring in, I bring this into the matrix section.
This is where we're talking about things that it's just kind of like we're in a simulation.
It's 2023, my guy.
And I can tell you this, like, you know, obviously you and I will have slightly different views, maybe on immigration, maybe even like, you know, where you might say Judeo-Christian, I'll just say Christian or different things.
And that's fine.
One thing that I want to say a bright side of politics is one area where we were able to unite and fully agree is fuck these people on the pandemic is that universally we know this was bullshit from the start.
You were one of the early adopters to know something was wrong.
This is not correct.
And to think that we're, I'm getting the chills, man.
It's like three and a half years later, we're going back into mandates.
What do you make of this, man?
Because I want to punch a bitch through the screen.
You know what I mean?
Like I can't, I can barely process this.
joel jammal
Let's do it, man.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be fun.
And you're doing COVID in Australia this time.
It's going to be really fun.
We've got a situation where, you know, they're trying to roll these mask mandates out in America and the jab mandates.
And obviously they want to try, maybe they'll try lockdowns again in some states.
All for this mail-in ballot stuff, it's so obvious where it's going.
I mean, universal mail-in balloting alone was probably the thing that got Joe Biden across the line in the last election.
Completely illegal against the constitution of, for example, Pennsylvania, but they did it anyway.
And, you know, bring it on.
I mean, this is the funny thing about being in Australia.
When America sneezes, as I said before, Australia gets a cold.
And a lot of Aussies have already in the last three days, I've noticed, an uptick in mask wearing, unprompted, unmandated, just by their own volition.
They want to be ahead of the curve, ahead of the trend in supermarkets.
They've been putting masks on.
And I'm looking at this and I'm like, all right, do we have to march on Canberra again, our capital?
Do we have to march, you know, through the streets again?
We'll do it.
We've got, we are well prepared this time around.
Last time, like I was working in construction at the time.
I was not prepared at all.
No one was prepared.
We didn't build an alternative media infrastructure.
We didn't have any financing.
We didn't have any protesting tactics.
Now we've got everything.
And if they want to bring this on again in Australia, mate, Elijah, we're going to have some fun.
But America, you guys have got to oppose this because we need you to pull through in 2024.
You can't let the bastards get away with this, the establishment.
elijah schaffer
No, and like, this is not a joke.
And I want to look at this in further detail, like you said, because I mean, you see from the new scientist, right?
This just came out.
This is in a pound, I believe.
I don't think it's a year.
I think that's a pound, right?
This has got to be UK.
Lockdowns and face masks really did help to control COVID-19.
And it says no vaccine measures such as social distancing and wearing face masks have been unequivocally effective at preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, according to a major report by UK's Royal Society.
It's insane to me that we are even arguing this because I believe from the reports I've seen is that masks is at lockdowns.
The scale and the destruction that they brought to the world can never fully be quantified because the amount of studies we would need and coordination just won't come into effect because of where funding comes from, right?
I mean, how is the NIH going to investigate this when their granddaddy is Dr. Anthony Fauci, right?
How is the NHS going to fund this when they can't even provide appointments for their own patients, right?
In the UK.
They're not going to be studying this.
And how is the World Health Organization going to be honest when they've lied at every turn?
The fact that they're now just saying these things, it makes me question all of history.
Because I thought we've already come to an agreement.
Masks and lockdowns led to so many lost cancer screenings.
So many people committed suicide.
The amount of substance abuse.
Shit.
I even developed like an alcohol use disorder for a bit there.
Like I was just drinking so much.
And I didn't drink that much before, but like it was just so effed up.
Like what was going on, right?
My mom died, things that were happening that I just started like pounding.
And I think that I'm not alone in that, right?
That a lot of people just drank and hung out and ate.
Everyone got fat.
They caught the COVID-15, right?
People gained weight.
It became a problematic health response.
And they're going to come here and tell us and try to tell us that this helped us.
Like, do people forget?
Do they think we've forgotten?
joel jammal
Yeah, look, there are a lot of people that got the jab in COVID and a lot of them were regretful afterwards and they look back on it ashamed.
I'd like to hope that most people aren't going to go back to the way things were before, but let's see what happens.
I don't know.
Regardless of what happens, in Australia, our freedom community, it's about 25% of the country that's solidly sort of on our side on our politics on this particular topic.
The rest, the majority in the middle, they're very much not, there's no appetite for lockdowns again, ever, ever, never.
The government really did have pull out all stops to stop Donald Trump in 2020, and that spilled over into Australia, unfortunately.
But I don't think Americans are going to go for this.
I mean, you guys have guns.
You guys have guns.
Like, we've got guns here, sure.
But in America, it's nuts.
elijah schaffer
Like, there's a guns.
We're not going to use them.
Like, I mean, Americans are crazy enough to use our guns.
And I don't mean that in a pejorative.
I mean that in a positive way.
Like, I firmly believe that the only reason why they haven't done more to remove the guns is because they know Americans are stupid enough to actually believe our Constitution.
And that's their shame, right?
That's always been the mockery of the American people is that we're foolish and stupid and that we really believe in our country.
I find that to be beautiful.
That's patriotism.
That's the fact that after everything they've done, after everything they've tried, we still believe in our country.
Are we fools?
Maybe, but so are all great poets and theologians and philosophers, right?
In some way, there's a hope of an ideal and an idea and an inspiration.
I don't think Australians really have that same ideal.
It's a newer country, but people don't realize Australia is like, what, in the 1900s about like when it became an independent country?
joel jammal
1900s.
Oh, no, no.
Oh, I mean, depends what you mean by independent.
We're still technically under the crown, but we've been around since the 1700s.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, yeah, but I meant like technically like an independent like constituency, meaning like it's a much newer country in terms of developing its own government than the United States, right?
joel jammal
We became our own unified, the states all came together.
Like you guys came together in what, 1776, isn't that right?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, approximately.
joel jammal
We've only recently crossed 100 years, actually.
So it was the 1910 or something like that.
So it was called Federation where the states came together.
So it's actually, we're quite a young country.
elijah schaffer
People don't know that.
There are people alive today that technically were alive before Australia was actually a proper federation.
So it's like it's not, yeah, it's like people say America is an experiment and it's a new country.
I don't think it's an experiment.
I think the forefathers knew what they were doing.
I think people don't like their vision for America.
But I don't think that what they envisioned was today, which is like the new Babylon, right?
And I think it's funny because I saw this article from the AP said conspiracy theorists spread false information about the return of COVID-19 mandates, which is the ultimate gaslighting because if you just Google mandates, then like from another major mainstream media outlet, right?
Like CBS, it immediately says, is masking coming back?
A new COVID variant.
I don't even care.
A new COVID variant is emerging.
And, I mean, this is from CNN.
I don't even think I put it in here.
CNN is telling people to start masking.
The Guardian is telling people to start masking.
And Fox says that mandates have come back, right?
At Lionsgate, is that what it's called?
I don't know.
And some Hollywood studios brought back masking.
Some schools have brought back masking.
Some schools are going back to PCR testing.
So it's like, I don't know entirely, you know, to say that it's a conspiracy theory, but I will say that I've been labeled, I've been labeled many things.
My favorite thing, which we'll talk about in a little bit, is like people trying to say, you know, people have always said, oh, this is racism or whatnot.
They'll call you an anti-Semite.
They'll call you racist.
They'll call you a conspiracy theorist.
They'll essentially label you these things to discredit your arguments when in reality, the conspiracy theorists were right, nine times out of 10.
They've been right.
And I don't know how much more their gaslighting is going to be able to work because everything they said they weren't going to do, right?
They say mask mandates aren't coming.
Two weeks to slow the spread, turn into three and a half years, and we're still going.
It hasn't stopped.
So don't give me your bullshit mantra of I'm a conspiracy theorist for being nervous on what they're planning ahead and also knowing, and I still believe this, this is all plans for climate lockdowns, climate, you know, climate studies and cases and things.
We're all going to have, you know, health outbreaks and viruses.
It's all going to be related to climate change.
I think they're prepping us for something much bigger, much more insidious down the line.
This is a test run to me.
joel jammal
No, I totally agree.
I mean, what we saw during COVID and me, I was one of the forefront sort of people in Australia in our biggest state, New South Wales.
And yeah, there's only so many things they can, so many levers they can pull to shut you up.
And when you've experienced it, one of the levers and you don't shut up, they can't pull that lever again.
And so stuff like you covered the story during the pandemic with Sidney Watson, what I was thanking you about earlier on.
They tried to stop me from going to protests in the city because I spoke at these protests.
And they threatened me with five years in jail if I went within five kilometers of that protest between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.
And so I couldn't even go to my own state parliament to actually see an MP that knew me at the time.
And this is the sort of stuff that they pulled.
It came up.
They came up empty.
They tried to throw me in prison for months and it didn't work.
And so it's like, well, you're going to pull that again.
Because if you are, we're just going to do the whole thing again, except this time I'm not going to fall for it.
And that's what's funny about this.
We have a whole infrastructure built out for protesting.
We have former police officers that have resigned from the force that have told us all the police tactics.
You know, all those times that you saw those people in Melbourne storm through the lines, do you think that was an accident?
Or do you think we actually had a part in staging that?
There's a full infrastructure for protesting.
There's a full infrastructure for social media.
There's funding that we have, we've all come together.
It was the worst thing they could have done.
And now, as a result, we've got a multi-ethnic, a multi-religious, a multi-class thing going on in Australia, a resistance movement against the establishment that's unified automatically the moment they announce the voice.
Oh, we're like, oh, no, this is a con.
It didn't last more than 12 months when they brought it out.
Maybe three months, it fell over.
The idea that they can pull this crap again in Australia.
And this is Australia.
Like we're meant to be the really far gone country.
It's crap.
And I think in America, you guys will sort this out in a few months.
I think it's going to be hilarious.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, the canary.
It is a bit of a canary.
And people ask me, you know, it's always interesting if you're new to the show, like, why I'm here.
Oh, it's a police state or whatever.
And I remind people, dude, the police state, like the FBI has caused so many problems in my life.
Like, don't don't lecture me on what it's like to live in a fucking police state, okay?
Wait till they use FISA courts and they use the Patriot Act to lift your records.
If you guys haven't watched the show for a long time, for over six and a half months, they hacked my iCloud.
I have all the documentation.
They ordered Apple not to alert me.
I've had my bank accounts lifted, my DMs handed over by big tech.
I've had it all.
Okay.
I've gone through full-on investigation by federal agencies.
And so it's like, you know, here they have more cameras and it's annoying and you can't speed, but there's honestly more steps they'd have to go through to invade your privacy in that way than even in the United States.
The United States has the worst violation of police state because they don't even have to inform you.
There's no informed.
There's no inform of consent in the U.S. because of terrorists, because of Muslims.
And they passed that.
That's why I believe 9-11 was an inside job because it was immediate that they enacted this new global police state, right?
Where it was like, that doesn't make sense that they had the legislation, the court's ready, and now we have our own citizens are at the forefront of this investigation.
But like you said, like if people want to know, no, Joel was a huge, huge proponent against all of this stuff.
I put his links to his social media.
You should go check it out.
You should follow him.
There's some video there that I linked as well, him speaking at rallies.
And this is why I think, by the way, I just want to give, this is a criticism which will not get me more followers, but this is one of the criticisms that I have of both the establishment right and the fringe right that fucking pisses me off.
Okay.
Like you and I, you know, you're not like, you're fighting, you're speaking out, you're at lockdown.
So you're not an establishment right person, but you work with the establishment right wing because you need to to get stuff done.
And you're not crazy.
So there's no reason why you wouldn't.
And you wouldn't write somebody off because you disagreed on a minute point.
And I feel like the same thing goes with a lot of people where it's like, I will work with people on the fringe.
I will work with people in the establishment who hate each other, who will never talk to each other, who won't be seen in the same room.
They both hate each other, right?
It's like the equivalent of like, I would work with, you know, Daily Wire and Nick Fuentes.
I would work with both people if we're trying to get something done because I want to get shit done and I want to accomplish something.
I want to have real dialogue.
And I don't want to limit myself based on the fact like they'll be like, you know, well, this person believes this.
So I don't like want to work with them.
Listen, dude, sometimes shit happens like the lockdowns where you can't even think about these topics of whether, yeah, whether you say Judeo-Christian or Christian or whether you believe in the Republican Party or you want a revolution.
It's like you're locked in your home, okay?
You're being forced to take a vaccine.
Your medical freedom is at stake.
The person next to you, it doesn't matter if they're fucking gay or if they're Syrian or if they're a woman or any of these other side topics people want to argue.
You have a fucking totalitarian regime that is trying to tyrannically destroy your life and you've got to coordinate and you've got to work together on something.
And I feel like that's where we did a lot of disservice and I was really frustrated during COVID is people like you got it, right?
People like you got it.
You knew what you were doing and you knew I'm going to work with who I need to work with.
And that's why you remain a balanced individual.
You know what I mean?
You remain a lot of people don't know how to work with each other.
joel jammal
A lot of people, it sounds like a lot of people have been lecturing you in the past about Australia and what it is.
Let me tell you what Australia is and what Sydney is because it's my home.
I've lived in Western Sydney my whole life.
We recently had a national vote on same-sex marriage.
Now, southwestern Sydney and Western Sydney, we have a lot of ethnic people that live in that area.
A lot of Muslims, a lot of Christians, a lot of Middle Easterners.
The 12 areas that voted against same-sex marriage, they were in Southwest Sydney and Western Sydney.
It was a concentration of it.
Everywhere else, especially the white places, voted for same-sex marriage.
So I don't take this bullcrap.
ethnicity sort of thing where people are like, oh, you know, because we allowed immigration, that it's degradated society.
Hey, if you also want to say to me that this LGBTQ plus stuff is degrading society, the white people in this country voted for it.
All right.
And a lot of the veterans that were white, they see this crap.
A lot of the children of veterans in this country, the Anzac soldiers, they see this crap.
But the majority of white people, they just went along with the LGBTQ plus agenda.
Now, let's go to COVID.
During COVID in Sydney, they did targeted lockdowns by area.
Those same places in Sydney, those ethnic places, Muslim, Christian, ethnic place in Southwest Sydney, they targeted and locked down those areas.
They had helicopters flying over those areas.
elijah schaffer
I remember that.
joel jammal
And the idea that I'm going to have some Americans over there tell me that, oh, we allowed immigration in and it's degraded our values, fucking bullshit.
Bullshit.
Because the protest that I spoke at cost me $30,000 in legal fees for my speech.
And the people that rocked up there were white people that were descendants of Anzac soldiers, people that understood the values of this country.
It was ethnic people from the construction industry.
And it was people that were from Eastern Europe, from communist countries.
That's the freaking reality about what I saw.
The majority of people in this country, especially the white ones, they went along with this bullcrap.
And so that's why I don't subscribe to this crap because what I know is Australia.
I know Sydney and I know Western Sydney.
And these are the very people that are standing up against this crap.
And you know what's really sad is when we aren't in the divide and conquer is literally the doctrine of Hillary Clinton.
It's the doctrine of colonialism.
And the idea that people in this chat would subscribe to that and allow the establishment to divide us apart is bullshit.
Don't allow them to do this.
Politics is about building coalitions.
It's about unifying on the things that are actually in common.
If you believe in the equality between men and women, if you believe in freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of conscience, then there's no reason why you can't stand with a certain person.
If you don't, well, then we've got an effing problem on the basics of politics.
But it's about coalition building, you know?
elijah schaffer
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All right, we're back.
I am in the studio with my guest, Joel Jamal, Jamel, Jamil, Jamel.
It doesn't matter what you say.
He is the little cheer, the little director of Turning Point Australia, and I'm so happy to have him on.
This is the kind of show where you can have different kinds of Joels on.
We had another Joel on, and people are not always so happy with my choices of guests because I will talk to anybody, and it is a lost art.
We're going to talk a little bit about CPAC.
And CPAC Australia just happened.
It's why I've been gone.
I've been traveling.
I've been involved in this.
Let's get into this.
I had to put this in the WTF category.
So these are things that are crazy.
Here's my experience at CPAC.
You're not going to want to miss this.
unidentified
Let's jump in.
I think.
elijah schaffer
Oh, I can't hear.
unidentified
you go we're good we're gonna jump into this All right.
elijah schaffer
I spoke at CPAC.
CPAC Australia took place just the other day.
This was like the end of my speech.
I'm just going to play this for a moment, and then we're going to talk about some controversy is they tried to cancel me from speaking at CPAC Australia.
I've been here for seven months, and it looks like the one thing the left and the right has agreed on was canceling a Christian this month for saying Jesus Christ was the only way.
And then a couple weeks later, it turned out that they were trying to cancel me from speaking at this event.
And by no means is this going to be an attack on anyone.
It's going to be a very positive segment, by the way, Joel.
You don't have to worry about this.
We're going to really be positive here.
We're going to unify people because we're not going to take revenge.
We're going to love our side and we're going to bring us together.
Here's how it ended.
I really feel grateful for being invited here as an American.
As the media said, as somebody who was canceled from speaking here, I don't know how it happened, but I still ended up on the stage.
Guess you were wrong, media.
Again, I just want to say, you know, I hope to see you guys next year.
And in the American patriotic spirit, and of course, in the spirit of patriotism for this country, as we say, may God bless the United States of America.
And may God bless the great country of Australia.
And may the wrath of heaven, the wrath of God be poured out on these communist bastards and these establishment regimes that are destroying this country from the inside.
Thank you so much.
All right.
So white suit.
Look, dude, people had a problem.
I mean, this is Australia, but the left-wing nut classes are pretty much the same in every country.
They had a problem with the color of my suit, right?
They were saying, like, oh, he made an okay to be white.
I said it was okay to wear white, right, when I got up there.
So it's still okay to wear white, right?
It's fine.
It's okay.
You know, CPAC is interesting.
A lot of people were surprised that they asked me to speak.
I didn't see you there.
Why weren't you there?
joel jammal
I was out in the nature.
I accidentally double booked.
But no, look, CPAC, it's a good conference.
They had some great speakers.
I just couldn't make it this year.
I was there last year with Nigel.
It was a great event, but I couldn't make it this year, unfortunately.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, and I thought it was really interesting because obviously I need to go to this real fast.
It was really funny because the Australian media was really quick to find out that I was speaking.
I think it was like within one hour of when I was told that I was speaking there.
They immediately brought this up.
One of these fake news periodicals called Crikey.
Ever heard of it?
Crikey.
Yeah.
Crikey.
joel jammal
What a fucking loser publication.
They're not a serious.
They're not serious, man.
elijah schaffer
No, no, no.
This is like sort of like a buzz.
I mean, like, what's it called?
A daily beast or something.
Like a fuck tard.
joel jammal
It's smaller, though.
It's even like even proportionally, it's smaller.
Like, I could tell you some things about Crikey.
elijah schaffer
Just a bunch of dumb fags that are out here like basically talking shit.
And I wake up to this these emails from the media saying that I had been at right-wing conference dumps U.S. podcaster who interviewed an Australian neo-Nazi last week.
Elijah Schaefer's name was quietly removed from CPAC's website after he hosted a neo-Nazi.
It's the first time I heard of that.
I didn't know I posted a neo-Nazi who argued against interracial marriage on his show.
And of course, they bring it up here and say I was dumped and it doesn't even really matter.
The whole article is stupid.
But it was interesting because it was like the same thing happens, right?
I didn't even, I never knew I was even added to the list.
So I didn't even know they put me on the website.
I thought we weren't going to go on the website to not upset the media, right?
Like we were just going to keep it low-key, that we were going to go under the table.
Because, you know, like Lauren Southern has had trouble here.
You know, Katie Hopkins has had trouble here.
Gavin McGinnis has had trouble here.
Milo Yiannopoulos.
Yeah, yeah.
So a lot of people have.
And I, you know, obviously I'm a little bit different.
I'm married to an Aussie.
I have an Aussie son.
Like, there's a bit of a, and I'm not just, I'm not just a guest, right?
I mean, I have like marriage connections here.
So there's a slight, slight difference.
But this country is real sensitive.
Even the ISO, your intelligence puts a lot of money into investigating right-wing groups dismantling boxes.
joel jammal
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I see.
Yeah, how you said it.
But there against it.
But I thought this was funny because, like you said, with Crikey, it was like the media.
I mean, this wasn't the only media, right?
Angry, white men.com.
All these things were like quick to just lambast saying Elijah Schaefer is here.
He cannot speak.
He did the ultimate crime of interviewing somebody that we disagreed with.
And it's like, so you guys have the same fucked up media we do.
joel jammal
Yeah, I mean, you go to New Zealand, go to Canada, go to the UK.
It's the same shit.
The only thing that they struggle with in Australia in terms of the left-wing sort of resistance against the right-wingers is Antifa probably could use a bit of help in Sydney.
I mean, in America, Antifa riots and burns through all these different communities.
Whereas in Sydney, especially in ethnic communities, we actually ended up seeing a situation in Bellfield last year, earlier this year, actually, where they tried to intimidate a church.
And then the ethnic Lebo Christians there actually beat up the trans activists that were there and kicked them out.
Now, I don't agree with violence, but just to give you an idea that the left-wing activists in Australia, they need a little bit of help, especially the trolls online.
You know, in America, it's a lot more sort of, you know, I think there's a lot more Sorrow Smarty in America, sort of padding that and keeping things going.
But yeah, Crikey, if you search Joel Jamal Crikey, I think a lot of the guys in the chat that might be criticizing me, you'll like me a bit more after that.
There are some absolute psychos.
The people, I think all the people that write articles to them, I might be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure they're all white.
And there's this one guy called Cam Wilson.
I swear the guy has a heart on for me.
I swear.
Like the amount of articles he's written about me is abnormal.
You've got to watch out for Crikey.
They're not big at all.
They're not big at all.
They're purely, they're really actually struggling.
And that's why I don't talk about their articles because I don't want to give them the ad revenue.
But yeah.
elijah schaffer
Well, he's really ugly too, which is unfortunate.
joel jammal
Cam Wilson, you pulled him up.
Oh, boy.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, he's really, he's really one of the ugliest journalists I've ever seen.
And I've always brought up the fact that they're typically ugly and poor.
And that's where I feel bad for them.
And I don't usually mock people's income, except for the fact that when they're like snakes like that, they typically get pretty mad.
Like what's funny is like some of these accounts, by the way, had like gotten pretty mad.
Even like some interviews I did for ADN, right?
This person like Dr. Cad's like more Elijah Schaefer bullshit.
He glutes all right 4chan talking points into an oily slick of far-right babble to wash over the gormless boomers at CPAC who I'm sure were not up to the latest Telegram gossip.
But if you actually look at the interview, it's actually funny.
It's not gossip.
Like, listen, this is just supposed to be, I'm just giving a joke interview to ADN because I thought it was funny.
Obama's my favorite white president, right?
Because he's half white, half black.
So if that's my favorite white president in history, because he's half.
I like to view him as that.
We won't question where he was when his chef died recently, right?
On the paddle board at his residence.
But anyway, a lot of people around the Clintons and Obama seem to die.
It's a very sad thing.
I think that's funny on Australian Network TV to question if Obama killed his chef and then point out that the Clintons and Obamas, a lot of people die around them.
I find that to be hilarious.
joel jammal
The establishment conservatives wouldn't have liked that at all.
elijah schaffer
No, they didn't.
joel jammal
They didn't.
elijah schaffer
But it's still funny.
joel jammal
I think it's hilarious.
I'm not with them.
That's the funny thing.
The establishment conservatives here, they're overwhelmingly white in this country.
This was a very, like, we literally had a policy legislation.
I do believe it was called the white Australia policy.
So a lot of the establishment in this country, they were convicts or they were the children of convict guards in these prisons.
And yeah, the establishment here, especially the conservative one, is overwhelmingly white.
So when I came up during COVID, they were like, who the F is this guy?
And why is he kicking our butt in the ratings?
Because in the first six months, I got something like 15 million views from scratch.
No budget, all donations.
And in this country, that's huge.
That's like, whoa, like it's not like 320 million people.
elijah schaffer
Right, it's equivalent of, let's give it like 220 million views in the US.
joel jammal
Well, I don't know.
elijah schaffer
I have a population propensity, right?
I mean, when you're politics, 15 million views, you're talking about, it's like two-thirds of the population, you know, almost.
So it's like, it's really freaking incredible.
joel jammal
Yeah, but Sky News, ADH TV didn't exist during the pandemic.
And a lot of these people, they've come out late, like Johnny come lately.
And they're like, oh, you know, we share these views and whatever.
And so I can see how, you know, I know that presenter, he was heckled last year at CPAC because he said there's nothing wrong with the Liberal Party.
It's like saying in America, there's nothing wrong with the Republican Party.
It doesn't have to change at all.
Like these are people that he was good during COVID, but he sounded like a rhino last year at CPAC.
And so when you say something like that, if you made a joke about Epstein, for example, he would have been very uneasy, for example.
elijah schaffer
Oh, he was uneasy at the interview, but like I had to bring, I had to bring the American political scene because our political scene is much more firebrand.
It's much more entertaining.
unidentified
I love it.
elijah schaffer
It's a lot about that.
And I think, like, obviously I had to keep things kosher, right?
We're talking about CPAC here, but I think it's funny because one of your watchdog groups, this is like Antifa watchdog group.
Oh, right.
unidentified
Right?
joel jammal
Yeah, yeah, he's great.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
So the alternate media watchers, you know, was like, Elijah Schaefer's speech at CPAC Australia was coded in white nationalist language.
The identity he talks about is a white identity and he blames immigration, the left and globalism, a dog whistle for Jews that was stripped, that what was stripped, that white identity.
So I didn't say any of those things.
If they want to accredit that to me, that's totally fine.
But that was the takeaway I saw in the media from this was like, somehow I was talking about white identity and the Jews.
What I really said is, if you watch the clip there, first of all, looking like, that's like, this is like power move, right?
I mean, this is, let's go.
I chose a white suit because it's fucking awesome.
Might as well go with it.
But this, if people want to know, too, that's a caliber suit, right?
So I did like, I wore an Australian brand, hand-stitched, Australian, like cotton wool mix suit.
I had to wear it, right?
Because we guys got to go with like the colours.
joel jammal
He caught the sheep himself.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I caught the sheep in that suit.
But I had to, we can't just be classy.
We had to be brazen.
It was like, I spoke about Western identity and I did speak about immigration.
And what's so crazy is the right-wing party is so like sensitive about these issues that I don't think I heard any other speakers there condemn the unfettered immigration in this country.
I didn't even mention race.
Okay.
I said nothing.
I just said Western identity.
They've stripped our identity.
They have unfettered immigration.
You are, well, I mean, you're a lighter skinned person, even not being, you know, Caucasian or white would agree the fucking immigration system here is broken right now and they're letting in too many damn people and they don't have it fixed.
So it's like, what does it say about them, the media, if I said Western identity and I said communists and then they connected communists to the Jews?
To me, that's like, that's their problem, right?
Like I didn't say, I didn't even mention, I never mentioned anything about Jewish people.
So I don't know where the fuck they got that from, but it's like funny to me that they're like, and he meant the Jews.
joel jammal
Literally, man, don't waste your time on these idiots.
Like literally during COVID, a lot of these guys that are, oh, Antifa wannabes and, you know, rebel against the government, these sort of people like Alt MediaWatch.
Mate, where were you guys at the protests?
They weren't even there.
They were not even there.
And it's like, I know, because I was at all of them.
Like, these people, they're absolute jokes.
They struggle for views.
They live in Twitter.
If you think no Americans are on Twitter, like in Australia, barely any Australians are on Twitter.
Like a very tight sort of group of die-hard people, nerds like myself are on it, but not many others.
And so average Aussies, they don't care about these people.
Alt MediaWatch, he's been on my back.
He or she doesn't, he's such a coward.
He doesn't even put his face out there like I do, my eyebrows out there.
But he has been on my back from the moment I pretty much started within a couple months because I was actually getting views on stuff.
elijah schaffer
That's how you know they're effective.
They only try to, they never tell you that you're wrong.
This is what I love.
They throw dog whistles, right?
joel jammal
Like they say you're a shill.
elijah schaffer
They say, oh, he gets a racist.
You're a divider.
You're a conspiracy theorist, but they never say your arguments are incorrect.
joel jammal
Oh, yeah, to an extent.
Look, the fact that that's not their class of attack.
The left-wing establishment have built this out very well.
I'm sure you've got this in America.
You'll know the difference.
But in Australia, we have the Australian Associated Press that are contracted by Facebook to write fact checks.
elijah schaffer
We have that.
joel jammal
To actually downrank your content.
I've had a number of fact checks written about myself and my show because we were being effective.
There's different levels of attacks.
For example, we're bringing Donald Trump Jr. out to Australia.
That rises to the attack of the immigration minister herself, who has a veto over who can come over into Australia and who can't.
They sat on his visa application for over a month.
They didn't approve it until like within 24 hours of him getting on the plane.
And as a result, we had to postpone the entire tour from July till this September.
Like this is the different levels of attacks that they get.
These are the different levers they pull.
But man, you're just like, whatever, man.
You guys are, you're a tiny group of people.
And the amount of people on my side, it's growing.
And it's the same in America.
You guys are kicking ass.
You were the biggest speaker at CPAC.
I can honestly say that.
elijah schaffer
That's so funny.
No, but think about it.
joel jammal
Think about it.
Like, who was there?
Tony Abbott.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, maybe in terms of social media size, right?
joel jammal
Definitely social media.
elijah schaffer
I'm a, what's it called?
A big fish in a small pond out here versus in the U.S., I'm like, I'm a tadpole in the ocean, right?
So it's like, like, it's a, it's, it's true in terms of, I didn't recognize any of the people there except for maybe Pauline Hansen.
joel jammal
Yeah.
And Pauline's big.
She's big.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I know her from the U.S.
joel jammal
But even she's not as big as yourself.
elijah schaffer
I mean, but I think she's famous in the U.S. If people don't know Pauline Hanson, she follow her on TikTok, follow her on Instagram.
She has this cartoon series just roasting the shit out of libs.
It's the funniest fuck.
It's so fucking hilarious.
She's really genius.
And she's out here, she's seen as a racist, homophobic, like, like evil person.
So my audience will like her.
Because if that's, they say everything about her, they say about me and about Donald Trump and everybody else.
And you probably who's watching this, they probably say the same thing about you two on Facebook.
But she's like one of the few Australian politicians that has balls unironically to say shit.
joel jammal
So her and I, if she is the Trump of Australia, we share the same view on immigration because we have a different view to America.
We have a balance.
And that's the difference.
And she's the most right wing on immigration in the parliament.
She said, she's the one that said, we're being swamped by Asians.
My shopping trolley's been murdered.
My language has been murdered.
There was a whole song made about it back years ago, decades ago.
And her and I stood on a stage at the Nigel Farage tour last year in September, a year ago.
And we had a very amicable discussion.
And we're in total agreement.
She did a tweet about a green senator.
She's currently in the courts about this.
She said, Senator Faruqi should piss off back to Pakistan because she hates this country so much that she stood her ground on it.
And I was like, yeah, she should go back to Pakistan.
If you don't agree with the values in this country, go to somewhere where you like.
This is Australia.
We built this country.
Look, look, my dad came to this country when he was four.
He was the first to come to, you know, his dad was the first to come here.
And he built so many churches in this country, things that he believed in.
And the idea that Senator Faruqi of the Greens is going to just attack this country that we helped build is complete crap.
You need to defend what you build.
You need to defend what you value.
That's the reality.
And that's what Pauline said to me on the stage.
You said, you know where your heart lies because it is where you are prepared to die.
And that is the truth.
I'm not prepared to die for Syria.
I'm not prepared to die for Lebanon.
I'm prepared to die for Australia.
This is my country.
I stand up for the people of Southwest Sydney, New South Wales, my state, and Australia.
That's where my heart is.
And that's the assessment that should be done of all Aussies if they want citizenship in this country.
elijah schaffer
I think so too.
And that's where I think the precedent is like that.
That's where even I think where I get unfairly like I feel like if you're if you're if you're accepted too much by any one side, you might not be thinking enough for yourself.
And a lot of people do play to their audiences, right?
Because like I always say, it's funny on sensitive topics like race or Israel or different things.
Like one side will call you an anti-Semite and the other side will say that you never talk about Jews and you should, right?
They're at the same time.
One side will say that you're racist and the other side will call you a race traitor.
Like, meaning it's like, you know, it's like the funny thing is, is like, there's always a voice calling you a name or telling you that you don't think like them.
But maybe you just think for yourself, right?
And maybe you're not worried about talking about certain things because you don't care what people say about you.
And I get along the most with people who don't give a fuck and just believe in the truth, right?
And that's who that's because that's, I think that's where my Christian identity supersedes all other identities in the end is like when I meet a Christian person, like Ben, who's the Lebanese TikToker?
What's his name?
unidentified
John Bernard.
That's right.
joel jammal
That's my cousin, by the way.
elijah schaffer
Oh, shit.
I love that guy.
joel jammal
Okay.
He's a G.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so he's like a Christian, right?
And so we were out and we were grabbing a bike to eat.
And, you know, he's a lad, right?
He's the boy's boy, right?
He's buff.
He likes chicks.
He likes whatever.
He likes to drink whatever.
And he told me something, but though that was really interesting.
He said, you know, like I've, I've just started, he goes, I started drinking less because my like Catholic faith started meaning more to me.
I think he's Catholic, right?
Yeah, yeah, he's Catholic.
joel jammal
Yeah, Maronite, which is a Middle Eastern version of a Catholic.
elijah schaffer
Okay, yeah.
You know, a white guy saying he calls it Catholic to me.
He's like, my Catholic faith, I'm just realizing like not a lot of good comes to it.
And to me, like him and I care about freedom and in life, but most importantly, it's because we believe our value comes from God, which is a very significant.
Even if you're Australian and your Constitution doesn't guarantee your value by God, we can share that even from the American Constitution that it is enshrined because our rights do come from God, right?
The difference with crown colonies that I've always thought to be one of the most detrimental things is a lot of your rights do come from the government.
They do.
Not necessarily here, but they're still chartered.
But if you're a Christian, it doesn't matter if you live in the Middle East.
It doesn't matter if you live here or anywhere.
You know your rights come from God because God is your creator.
joel jammal
That's right.
elijah schaffer
And there's that unification where when I'm talking to him, I relate to him first and foremost on his statement of faith.
Now, a lot of people don't, but I think that that's really important to never miss that.
And so when you start to just like hate people, because it's really easy to start hating people, to start really hating people.
And I'll see people that just, and I'll get tempted with that too.
I'll start really like starting to hate in a way that is toxic to my own life, right?
And I mean this genuinely, like you're just consumed with hatred that you forget that God says to have love for the world, right?
Like it's genuinely, you genuinely.
And also too, to remember that like when you just start hating people because you see the negative sides of immigration, remember there are plenty of people out there too that are Christian brothers and sisters that do share your values of God above all else.
And there is a love and there is a conviction.
And you have to remember to focus on God first.
That's why when your eyes are on the world or when your eyes are on self, it leads to depression.
It leads to anxiety.
It leads to a skewed, you might be correct, but you end up getting skewed.
When your eyes are on God and when you're focused on God, the way you view the world is from a heart for it, from a love for it.
And it keeps you sane.
It keeps you sober.
It keeps you from being corrupted and bitter.
And that's really what sets us apart from the left.
It's like between the right and the left, who's right?
It's just a matter of which person is right, right?
It's an ideological argument.
But if God's involved, then who's right?
It's those who fight for the will of the Father.
It's those who fight for the heart of God.
And so, like, when you separate our ideas from God, you really do a big disservice.
I think people do.
I know a lot of people watch the show aren't Christians.
I know a lot of people don't.
I've had some very bad experiences working with atheists in my life, so I don't think I'll do that again.
But I will say, you know, in retrospect, God bless their hearts.
I genuinely feel like if we don't keep God in the argument and we push it out in what's purely race and, you know, this, then we're in a losing battle.
joel jammal
It's not a coincidence that John Bernard, the comedian, the TikTok guy that was predicting COVID cases, is a Christian.
And by the way, I didn't know he was my cousin until we were at the protest.
So that protest I spoke at that I got a big fine for and the police came after me.
They set up a strike force.
He also spoke there and he had the same charges dropped on him.
And it was only later on that my mom said to him, me, you know, I just found out we're actually related.
You know, obviously, you know, we're all related.
Us lebs, we're all sort of connected somehow, you know, a few degrees removed.
But it's not a coincidence that the man with the similar upbringing, Middle Eastern upbringing, is that.
Now, John Bernard is a very dangerous individual to the establishment in this country because he, I would liken him almost to a Dave Chappelle, but a younger version that's more of a TikTok version of Dave Chappelle.
But for Australia, again, we don't have a lot of black people here.
We don't have a lot of Hispanic people.
elijah schaffer
That's why it's safe.
unidentified
Well, that's why it's true.
elijah schaffer
It's so true.
joel jammal
In America, but on this point about culture, I'll circle back to that.
On this point about culture, in America, a lot of your humor, a lot of your jokes have been influenced by a huge black population and South American population, Hispanic population.
In Australia, it's the logs.
That's the equivalent.
So John Bernard has an excellent finger on the pulse of Aussie culture.
That's why his jokes always land.
He's like his skits always land.
His man in the street stuff always lands.
I'm just a serious version of him.
I do the, you know, the Charlie Kirk stuff where it's on the ground getting ready for elections, covering the serious topics, going through the detail of the voice.
He's the funny dude that is even more dangerous.
And imagine sidelining him just because he's Lebanese.
elijah schaffer
Imagine that.
joel jammal
How stupid that is.
Like, there's no white dude equivalent of him in the country other than maybe like Isaac Butterfield, who's also does a really good job.
He's a good comedian.
But I don't think he's Christian.
And I don't think he's, you know, he's made some very off jokes in the past that have turned people off, you know, which is fine.
I mean, whatever.
But John Bernard, you know where he comes from.
And he's found a way to be funny and actually be effective.
More effective, I would argue, than me, which is amazing.
I mean, humor, there's a reason why you can't have Winnie the Pooh and Xi Jinping in the same picture.
Yeah.
It's effective.
elijah schaffer
Because you can't tell the difference, you know.
joel jammal
Hey, but going back to the black thing, look, I understand why people cross the road if there's a black dude walking their way and if they're a female and they're small and whatever.
I get that.
You know, there has to be an element of profiling.
Profiling in America has been successfully rolled out with policing.
There's a logical reason to do that.
You know, in Victoria, the black people in there, they do contribute.
They're a minority there, but they do a disproportionate amount of the crimes there.
Yeah, absolutely.
I totally get that.
That's just logical.
But yeah, I mean, there's a danger in painting everyone with the broad brush.
I've, you know, when the Coronala riots happened in Sydney and they were beating up ethnics, a lot of people like myself, Middle Eastern looking people, they were beaten up as well.
And it's like, hey, like, you know, maybe this person was building churches for you and you just beat them up.
Like, what are you doing?
You know, you've got to assess things on an individual basis.
It's okay to, you know, to profile people on your own, but you've got to be logical about it to an extent.
You can't just paint with a broad brush.
It's just stupid.
That's what the left do.
Look at them.
They don't even accept Kamala Harris anymore.
They call her cop Kamala.
elijah schaffer
No, it's well, it is true.
And this is where I think is interesting.
And I'm going to bring this up, and I want to preface this by, first of all, just expressing my absolute support for people who are fighting for what I believe is the right movement.
And one of those individuals who I know you and I both respect a lot, and I hope he sees this, is a journalist out here that's very popular in the U.S. named Avi Yemeni.
I think that's how you pronounce it.
And what really shocked me is something happened on Twitter, right?
It wasn't just the media that was trying to cancel me.
Avi came out publicly on social media and like intentionally wrote my name, but tried to, I found out he unfollowed me in everything across everything.
And I didn't know why.
I was like, this is a very odd thing because I feel like him and I are very much on similar missions of like in-your-face sort of blunt politics.
But he's like, I guarantee that most attendees at CPAC have no idea who Elijah Schaefer is or what he has become.
Well done to the organizers for giving detractors a free kick.
And I won't go into the details of this, but I know that his attempts here or whatever happened made it, you know, made it into levels of questioning my motives.
And he posted some, you know, some like polls I had done, which was this poll.
Do you believe Jews disproportionately control the world institutions, banks, and are waging war on white Western society?
Okay, that's a question.
That's a common conspiracy people believe.
So I wanted to know what Twitter thought or what X thought.
How about this one, which is funny, considering the fact that I'm circumcised?
What should the Washington Redskins change their name to?
And I said, the Jewish foreskins, right?
This is in the middle of, this is in the middle of COVID.
Like, come on, this is, that's hilarious, considering the fact that it's funny.
Here, this is not, this has nothing to do with Jews.
Which of these places would you feel safest to live in?
This was about black crime, right?
The Nazi Germany was a joke.
People chose Nazi Germany.
And remember, these are not my followers.
And here, I had written this.
This was from an article that came out in Australia that said, fun fact about Australia, Jewish Australians comprise only 0.42% of the country's population, but 71.4% of the nation's wealthiest individuals, according to Times of Israel, subject to change.
It's incredible, very difficult to get ahead here.
Rigged system, good for them.
And I thought what was interesting about this is that wasn't an anti-Jewish article.
That was literally like a front page article from Times of Israel saying the majority of Australia's richest people are Jews.
Which, to me, if you're Jewish, that shouldn't offend you.
That should be like, the top comment I always see is, why are you mad that Jews are successful, right?
So I don't understand this.
But what kind of broke my heart about this and what hurt me in this is that I always considered Avi to be a friend, and I'm not even going to disparage him now.
I actually have nothing but respect for him.
But I think it's detrimental to us as a nation when, like you said, the way that we can get past the race card, like if he's Jewish, you're Syrian, and I'm Caucasian, what should unite us?
What should unite us is our love for the country.
It should be our love for the shared Western values.
And what put me off strange about this was Australia does not have a lot of fighters.
Okay.
It's part of the reason why Avi is so successful.
There's very few people with his bravery, with his tenacity, with his quick wit, and his due diligence that are really working on the ground here, which is why I can say nothing bad about him because I have nothing to say but good things.
But then when you see that when he so then he comes out and he pairs with the left-wing media and it shocks me for two reasons.
The first reason is that he's often the center of cancellation and people are trying to cancel him all the time.
In fact, I'd like to bring this up here, which was very interesting, is just today he posted this that was these gay groups are trying to cancel his New Zealand event.
And he's saying cry harder.
Obviously, he's fighting cancellation as we speak.
Is that his criticism of me was not only nothing to do with my lack of support for this country that we both live in right now, not for my lack of support for the West, but because of some indirect tweets I had made over a three-year period that referenced people from a country on the other side of the world that is not necessarily a strategic partner with the West in any way.
And I feel like that's just, it just reminds me that like, hey, let's cut this shit, dude.
Let's cut this bullshit and let's reunite and not let, like, I have other interests too, right?
And for different reasons.
And you might have other interests and you might have other interests.
You might care about your family in Syria.
He might care about his family in Israel.
I might care about my family in fucking Germany.
But ultimately speaking, my attention is here to where we live, Australia, United States, to this Western Union to the forefront.
And I just got to say this, you know, in general, people ask my opinion on this.
I do think that was fucked up.
I think that was snakey.
I think that was really dishonest and very sly to try to bring cancel culture that you claim to fight against on somebody who's on your team and who's fighting with you.
But I will say I'm going to forgive that.
I'm going to set that aside and just say, I won't return anyway and just think that we should be uniting and cut this infighting.
I don't think it helps us.
I'm not going to make you say anything about Avi.
I'm not going to make you even comment.
But I feel like this infight, I feel like this was bullshit and we should just, I'm sometimes full of shit myself too, right?
I say dumb shit.
I make the wrong enemies.
Why the fuck are the nine of us that are in Australia?
Why the fuck are we going to be fighting?
I don't see any use in that.
joel jammal
Look, this is a good analogy of what's this, Jewish question thing, this, this Zionist question thing, it's a good analogy to what's happened on the topic.
Me, for example, I'm a guy that runs Turning Point Australia.
So therefore, do I agree with the American Turning Point USA's position on Israel?
Well, you know, there's no obligation to.
It wasn't in the contract.
No.
But at the same time, do I think that Israel should be, you know, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free?
No.
I'm not weighing into this because you know what, guys?
I live in Sydney.
I'm loyal to my countrymen of Southwest Sydney because we were fucking locked down together.
I'm loyal to New South Wales.
I'm loyal to Australia.
What's happening, you know, as the Patriot says, 3,000 miles away, why should I care?
Honestly, why should I care about what happens in Israel when I'm being locked down in my home, when people like me in Victoria are being shot at with rubber bullets?
If we can't get our own crap together, why should I, I don't have energy to worry about a place I've never been.
unidentified
I don't.
joel jammal
I don't have the money.
I don't have the time.
We don't have the expertise.
Australia's military is so crap compared to the, you know, it's a shadow of what it used to be.
I'm not spending any energy on this.
And I'm certainly not going to attack my neighbor over something that's not even happening anywhere near us.
And that's the tragedy about this.
I know Arvi.
I was on the last long form podcast I was on.
I'm sure you agree with he's a great guy.
I was in Victoria on with him and the legendary Rook Sean.
I like Arvi.
He's got some massive cojonas on him.
And he does phenomenal work.
I don't know what we would have done during the pandemic in Victoria.
He was one of the pioneers of on-the-street sort of interviews in Australia.
And we need him.
And we need you.
Like, you guys are our gateways to the American market.
If Australia is going to crap, we need both of you to blast it out there.
I don't like it when mum and dad fight.
That's how I see it.
And so I won't say who's mum and who's dad.
But when I see you guys fighting, it breaks my heart because it's like, you know, you were formative, both of you, in your own way to my opinions.
A similar thing happened with the young Turks.
I used to be a lefty a long time ago.
I used to be full supportive in 2016, 2017 of BLM.
I supported TYT.
I was a subscriber.
It broke my heart when I watched, you know, people on the show there.
You know, some subscribed to Russia Gates, some didn't.
We need to focus.
Politics is about building coalitions.
What are the issues you agree on?
All right.
Yeah, let's get big money out of politics, for example, for the left-wingers.
On the right, what do we agree on?
Well, I don't think this trans agenda should be supported.
I think we need to oppose it.
Who can I get to oppose this?
Do you think we should be educating kids in schools on it?
No?
Oh, I've got the Muslims.
Oh, I've got Avi.
Oh, I got you.
We're all in agreement.
We're all calling it out.
Beautiful.
We're never going to all agree on the same crap.
But when we do, we shouldn't burn these bridges.
The left wing are a machine, a well-financed machine.
Their tactics are crisp.
And I'm not going to spend energy on a topic that doesn't relate to me at all.
And so I cop a lot of hate from, I've had it before with a Muslim lobby in Australia.
elijah schaffer
have come after me because i don't hate israel enough and i've also that's majority an american thing though like Like, the love affair with Israel, like, while Israeli lobby does have influence in Australia and some of the chiefs of staff and stuff are, like, even senators, it's disproportionate.
Like, the Israeli lobby really focuses its control and influence in the U.S.
And it's not as like focused.
Because once you control the U.S., you control the world.
So any lobby, Ukraine lobby, anything is going to spend their time lobbying the U.S.
And Australia will follow suit.
So they do.
joel jammal
And they do.
Even Albo.
Even Albo does ultimately.
He does follow the U.S. move on this.
But at the same time, while I got the Muslim lobby coming after me and people who I agree with most of the time coming after me on that, you know, my own uncle was thrown out of his house.
He's Palestinian.
He was thrown out of his house in the Middle East.
And even he said, no, we came to this country for a better life.
The politics of the Middle East, we leave in the Middle East.
We've got problems to sort out here.
And this is actually what I told Avi to his face the first time we were on camera together.
And I said that.
I said, hey, we've got bigger problems with Dan Andrews right now.
He's locking people in their homes.
He's ready to, you know, forego elections.
He passed legislation to delay elections for his own re-election so he can stay in power longer.
We've got to sort out with the tyrant one mile away, not the, you know, the tyrants, you know, 3,000 miles away, allegedly.
And so that's my, look, that's my view on it, man.
I hope that you and Avi can work together on stuff in the future or not.
But don't attack each other like, you know, and you haven't in this in this case.
But, you know, I agree with Avi on a lot of stuff and I agree with you on a lot of stuff.
And I think that we just don't have the resources to wage war with a broadside attack on each other.
elijah schaffer
We don't.
And I was going to say, and I think it's stupid too, because I think, and not just this situation, but I think it's dumb too.
And I'll explain why, because like, okay, here's Avi.
This is the Avi that I know.
This is the Avi that I love.
This is him on one of the largest radio shows.
I believe it's radio, right?
Neil Mitchell, yeah?
That was just on where he was asked if he would literally interview Hitler.
This just happened the other day.
Listen to this.
unidentified
I interview anyone.
I'll talk to anyone.
I don't think.
Would you interview Adolf Hitler?
joel jammal
My latter say, I would have loved to.
elijah schaffer
The dude just said on the internet, and he just said to everyone he would love to interview Hitler.
And then he's warning CPAC, don't let this guy speak.
Don't let him share his ideas because he made some over three years, he asked some questions or made some polls.
And this is where I want to say we need to be careful because in the midst of this, not only has Avi, but Rebel News has severed ties with me as well now over this stuff.
So he's got, I don't know if it was him or Rebel News got to him.
I don't know who it was.
But considering the fact of the deep entrenchment that even Rebel News is a target of, this is where I, I mean, I'm not actually short-sighted.
Now, I've worked with people who have attacked me.
I've seen people lie about me in the media.
I've been slandered by people.
I've experienced. greatest moments of betrayal and heartache, some of which I'll never be able to explain.
And I've never returned the evil for evil.
I've yet to re-attack people who've attacked me.
People call that weakness.
I say, dude, we don't have the resources because if I'm going to go back and attack, it's going to create a war.
These wars are unhelpful.
They are unfruitful.
And they do not, it's shared mutual destruction.
So if I want to waste, I only have very limited resources.
And if I want to spend them on lawyers suing people, if I want to spend my few appearances in the media or on the air to the few people that can still see this show talking shit on these people, go save that for the tabloids.
Be a fucking loser.
Talk shit.
I'm not saying this is what Avi's doing here.
I'm saying to other people in the media, right?
Who spend their time, you know, tearing down, you know, it's like everyone, right?
It's like there's just as many people who waste their time tearing down Charlie Kirk as waste their time tearing down Nick Fuentes.
And that's why I was talking about the weird people on fringe and establishment who like just focus on each other.
You know, like there's a side where like they're always like fighting each other where it's like, dude, the fight is out here.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
Like the fight, you don't have to work with anyone.
You don't have to like everybody.
You don't even have to acknowledge their existence.
That's what's so crazy.
But you sure as hell don't have to waste your small limited time resources and your focus on tearing down the wrong enemy because our enemy is united and they are strong.
And they, like you mentioned, they are so well financed, interconnected globally that it's like, I don't have the time for this.
So people have, you know, said it's my weakness that I haven't tried to destroy or take people down.
But I want to say this at the end.
Avi, I support you.
I see this side of you.
We want to interview Hitler.
Fuck it.
I do too.
I would love to interview everybody.
I'd love to interview Netanyahu.
I'd love to interview anybody that I could.
And I highly support that.
And, you know, the questions that he has for, you know, if you're telling me, Avi, that I'm, you know, I'm a threat or whatever this is, I just want to remind you that it's like my views are no different than, you know, Daily Wire's views.
As even Matt Walsh shares my opinion on this issue, which is this is an insane thing for a presidential candidate to say the very definition of America lasts, how Nikki Haley said it's not that Israel needs America, but America needs Israel.
And if the Daily Wire itself can admit that the U.S. has gone overboard on some of this Jewish allegiance and Israeli allegiance, the Daily Wire, okay, the Daily Wire is admitting that, then maybe this is not a dishonest pledge.
And I kind of want to end this conversation, like you said, on this topic of like being critical, and I want to remind everyone of this, being critical of Israel or elitist Jewish people is no different than me being an American and critical of the Biden administration, the cabal of Bill Gates.
I'm highly critical of Bill Gates and elite Americans.
I've never been accused of being anti-American.
I'm extremely critical of the U.S. government and foreign policy.
And even here, people tell me, oh, Americans just meddle in everything.
And I'm not like, fuck you.
I'm an American.
I love America.
You fucking traitor.
It's like, no, Americans do fuck with the world's things.
So if I say Israel fucks with a lot of the world's things, why is that any different than me calling out my own country?
It shouldn't be.
And we should stop defending elites.
We should stop offending from banks to Bill Gates to Mark Zuckerberg to software engineers.
We should stop getting defensive of them.
That's where you talked about the fallacy of racial lines.
Just because they're fucking the same race as you doesn't mean they're not fucking corrupt and just as much hate you.
You're defending them, but they hate you.
We have to unite beyond that on Western ideals.
We've got to unite beyond that on our problems.
We've got to stop caring more about Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Israel than we do about our own fucking streets, which to me are in pieces.
And I feel like that's where we're missing it.
And that's where we need to get together, right?
And so I'm not blaming anyone.
Again, I love Avi.
I'm saying this, but like, let's cut the shit and let's focus on what we can unite on, not what divides us.
joel jammal
Yeah, absolutely.
If Dan Andrews threw Avi in jail, I have no doubt you'd be down there and, you know, in the next flight to cover for him because you know that he doesn't have access to his audience like he might in the past.
And so, yeah, honestly, for me, it's just like, whatever, man, this stuff, it blows over.
But yeah, as you said, it wastes energy, it wastes time.
We've got a limited amount of posts we can do in the day, and we need to be talking about how they're trying to indoctrinate our kids in schools, how the next lockdowns are around the corner, how the climate change agenda is a multi-trillion dollar industry, and they're siphoning money away, how the fact checkers are after us, the misinformation bill.
I mean, there's so much, the voice, there's so much crap coming down the pipeline.
We don't have time for this.
elijah schaffer
No, and I do want to end on this, though.
So, first of all, a huge thank you to my guest, Joel Jamal.
You can find him in the social media in the links below.
You've got to support him.
Remember, the Donald Trump Jr. event is as of right now going forward in September.
We did have a, that's why somebody asked, let me see if I can find it.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
elijah schaffer
Somebody did ask about that, about if they're getting a refund or something in one of the super chats or how that works.
joel jammal
Yeah, so anyone that wants a refund, email events at tpaust.com.au.
You know, you should get a refund pretty much straight away.
Obviously, it takes time for the transfers to happen, but if you're having problems with that, events at tpost.com.au.
If you have a problem with that, joel at tpaust.com.au.
I'll forward it to the team and say, hey, hurry up, get this done.
But your tickets have automatically transferred to the new dates.
If you can't make it, if you're traveling, no worries.
But yeah, let me know if you're having any problems with that.
It's not a scam.
It's literally just, you know, these things can be very tricky.
This is what the immigration department's done with us by sitting on Trump Jr.'s visa.
But the show's going ahead.
But if you can't make it and you can't join us, of course, refund straight away.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Right.
elijah schaffer
And I just want to ask you this, though.
I like to end with an important question.
Would you or would you not?
joel jammal
No.
unidentified
No.
elijah schaffer
You didn't see it.
You answered prematurely, yes or no.
joel jammal
Mate, if there's no Trump mug shop beneath that belly, it's a no.
elijah schaffer
That is a Fu Ponza.
That is, oh, dude, dude, that is.
joel jammal
What is this?
elijah schaffer
She's a bikini model.
She's actually, sorry, I found her at TikTok.
She's the bikini model.
I'm not sure.
joel jammal
So it's not like it's an OnlyFans.
No, this is a libs of TikTok or anything.
unidentified
Nope.
elijah schaffer
This is just a model.
unidentified
Right.
elijah schaffer
This is just her.
joel jammal
That's a hard pass, man.
It's a hard pass.
Australia, we've got some gorgeous ladies here.
No, the standards here are a lot higher.
I don't know what's going on in America, man.
elijah schaffer
It is true.
Tis true.
We got Kez here now, too, which is absolutely amazing.
I want to go lastly and just read a couple of these.
Like I read those super chats.
I want to see if there's any here in the locals.
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You can join the community.
We are demonetized everywhere.
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You should like the video on Rumble.
You should hit subscribe.
You should follow the whole shebang.
It's extremely amazing.
Your guys are supporting the community and the live stream that's there.
We are going to be changing some things up, but I'm very happy about it.
I just started being active there again.
You guys watch the lives there.
You get the full show.
And you can get in.
It's unfiltered chat, which is nice, right?
There's no censorship.
So you guys are pretty crazy.
But if you are racist, if you're inappropriate, maybe you're a shit poster, or you just want to meet other people who are like, you can actually talk about real discussions.
There's whole communities in there, and you should check it out at ElijahSchaefer.locals.com.
Some of the questions, why are you gay, said, is it wrong that I was a criminal, that I wish for criminal globalist death?
I mean, no, I don't think wishing for evil people that kill people's death is evil.
I don't know.
joel jammal
Oh, yeah, you guys have the death.
We don't have the death penalty here.
elijah schaffer
We don't?
joel jammal
No, we don't.
elijah schaffer
Oh, I didn't know that.
joel jammal
Yeah, man.
elijah schaffer
Well, these are probably American audience, so wishing for state-controlled death.
So you probably can't wish that here on.
It's probably illegal to say that.
joel jammal
Yeah, like, don't get me wrong.
Do I think, you know, pedos should probably be put down?
Yeah, but like, what's the difference between, they could easily frame me, especially in the world of AI.
Imagine if they framed me and they got me killed off just from that.
Should the state have that power?
That's the question Jordan Peterson puts.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I haven't really thought it out.
elijah schaffer
I do.
I think we should kill these people in Minecraft, right?
joel jammal
In Minecraft.
elijah schaffer
Snake Oil Salesman Harvesting His Products.
What is this, guys?
unidentified
I don't.
joel jammal
Thanks for your donation.
unidentified
Yeah, wait.
elijah schaffer
That's Vivek.
unidentified
Ah, Vivek.
elijah schaffer
I was going to say.
I didn't know who that was.
Like, who is that before I put it on the screen?
unidentified
I don't know.
You can.
elijah schaffer
That's true.
I'm not a big supporter of him.
These are the new COVID mandates here.
Once debunked, fold mandates into tiny square.
Moisten your mandates with water.
Lie on your left side and bend your knee up towards your chest using your right hand.
Have you ever put a suppository up your ass for a medical reason before?
joel jammal
I can't say I have.
elijah schaffer
You know, I think one time I got a hemorrhoid and I had to put this like suppository.
And it's just, I couldn't do it, you know?
Like, it's like, it's like the instructions, like, it's like one of those things where I just feel like, like, look at these, look at these instructions.
It's just humiliating.
Like, it's like, that's just, you don't want to be involved in it.
If I have to have it done, does someone go to the doctors and just like, just like use a machine or something?
Like, you know, if you need to do something like that, then just do it.
But it's like, you know, if you're going to use the Gluckluck Annual Penetrator 3000 Plus and then put a suppository at the end, I feel like this is a violation of human rights.
I don't know.
joel jammal
It's a strange phenomenon.
I can see that.
Meanwhile, in China.
elijah schaffer
Toxic Voice said, tossing some shekels your way, Eliju.
And then I'm not going to put it, but somebody made an Avium any meme, and you can see that there.
I'm not going to put it on the show, but because you guys are more cruel than me, but I don't mind if you guys are cruel, but I am going to keep the peace here and just keep things professional and respectable.
As we always do.
Do we not keep things professional, guys?
Do we not keep things?
I think we're the most professional show in the history of shows ever.
And so that's really good.
Plus, we've got about a thousand of you guys still watching live, which is absolutely amazing.
And we do appreciate you guys as we have been canceled nine times probably already.
And we continue to keep an awesome audience.
We had a couple thousand watching tonight overall between YouTube and here.
So we still got a great audience.
We are going to keep fighting.
I'm just going to let my guest close out by plugging any of his social medias, any of his websites, any of his events, places that they can support Joel directly.
joel jammal
Go ahead and Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Telegram, Rumble, Joel Jamal, J-A-Double M-A-L, that is, or Turning Point Australia.
We're pretty much everywhere.
And yeah, we've got Donald Trump Jr., as I said, coming to Australia at this stage.
It looks like it's September 25th.
And that's tickets for that at trumplive.com.au.
But it's the first of many tours.
We've got many more coming up next year, and we're not going anywhere.
But I want to thank Elijah for bringing me on the show and having me on and having a fun discussion.
And yeah, guys, please subscribe to him.
It seems to be the way of the future.
We need Elijah.
Stick around.
elijah schaffer
We do.
We need to keep it going anyway, guys.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
You can follow me on Twitter or now X at Elijah Schaefer.
I need to remake these name banners.
That's why they stopped carrying them because they don't.
Twitter doesn't exist anymore.
But you can follow me there everywhere you can find them.
Have a great rest of the week and may God bless the United States of America, Australia, and the Western kingdoms of the world.
I'm signing out.
unidentified
Y'all are talking like this in a falsetto.
Ooh, ooh, baby.
I, I, I, I like ooh, ooh, baby.
Y'all are talking like this in a falsetto.
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