INSIDE THE MIND of the IDAHO KILLER - Psychiatrist explains | Guest: Carole Lieberman | Ep. 308
The alleged Idaho killer, Bryan Kohberger, reportedly had trouble with women in his child and was anti-social. Could this be what caused him to commit such a horrible act? Was he an incel? Popular criminal psychologist Carole Lieberman tells all!
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It's so easy to blame incels for just about anything.
The world thinks, well, if someone's not having sex with women extemporaneously, well, they must be a serial killer.
Today, we're looking at the infamous Moscow murders in Idaho and talking about the suspect who's been arrested.
Later in the show, we have a guest, Dr. Carol Lieberman, who believes that we can blame the incel community for what seems to have taken place.
But is that the truth?
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Let's get into the monologue for this episode.
Well, the recent University of Idaho murders have captured the public's attention.
On November 13th, three women and one man were killed in their off-campus residence by a knife-wielding assailant in the dead of night.
Now, obviously, women love murder mysteries, but this one is interesting for the men as well, because we're going to find out who they're blaming and why that's alarming for many of us on the right wing.
For weeks, it seemed as though the police and the FBI were stumped.
However, on December 30th, they arrested 28-year-old Brian Koberger.
Now, he had been visiting his parents in the eastern Pennsylvania home for the Christmas holiday, and while the trial hasn't started yet, it seems like there is plenty of evidence that Koberger is in fact responsible for the killings.
Now, if you're not usually interested in murder mysteries, I'll tell you why this is important.
Working off a surveillance photo of a car that was spotted near the murder scene, police were actually able to narrow down their suspects.
They used Koberger's phone data to determine that he was in the area of the killing at the exact time they occurred.
They also tracked him to his parents' home, where they began observing him.
They watched as he meticulously scrubbed every inch of his car and put trash bags in the neighbor's garbage cans, all while wearing surgical gloves.
I mean, I'll tell you this, if you're going to commit a murder, you know, the best thing to probably do is not be seen cleaning the crime scene.
Totally normal behavior, I know.
And while the trial plays out and we don't know how it's going to end, and I don't want to jump to conclusions like my ex-girlfriend used to do, we are left with a lingering question.
Like, why is our society leading people, particularly the mentally ill, to commit violent acts?
There's an important distinction to make here.
Now, these murders were not gang-related.
Drugs weren't involved, nor was money.
These were seemingly random killings, a product of a deep internal strife.
It is the kind of strife where someone is truly lost in the world and in their own minds.
Our society is now all too familiar with the violence that mental illness can produce when people find themselves in the darkest corners of human existence.
We've all noticed the rise in school shootings, copycat murders.
In fact, suicides, both accidental and intentional, are now one of the leading causes of death in young adults.
There's also been a spree of murders in recent years, not just those that are related to gangs.
A majority of these can be attributed to what?
I don't think it's just mental illness, but actual mental disturbedness, some sort of disassociation between purpose and the drive, particularly in men.
Whether it's clinical depression, schizophrenia, or some sort of combination of autism and let's just blame video games and climate change.
I don't know.
But our society has completely failed these people.
We now live in a spiritually dead nation where religion has taken a backseat.
The nuclear family has been totally subverted and many of our youth have grown up in broken homes.
The economy is a dumpster fire.
I mean, sure as hell know that.
And our communities are hollow, drug-infested shadows of their former selves.
I watched a video clip of London Today and London in the 1940s.
And I sure as hell believe we're not heading for a dystopian future.
In fact, someone in the 1940s, if they saw what London had become, I don't even think they would have fought against the Nazis.
And I mean that genuinely.
It really is a pessimistic, depressing situation all around the country.
And I'm not trying to blackpill you guys, but think about this.
What exactly does any youth in this country or around the world have to look forward to?
What do you have to look or to work towards?
I mean, the only thing our government and society encourages anymore is going to work to pay bills and to pay the bills in Ukraine.
You spend all day at work barely making enough to make ends meet.
You can't even afford eggs today.
Then you return home, consume some latest content, porn, whatever.
You have an ugly wife.
She has an OnlyFans.
Rinse, repeat.
It's like, it's not really much of a promise.
There's not a lot of good women or good men out there from that fact, and that is a hollow existence.
People don't have kids.
Nobody has hope.
Now, a career did used to allow you to have a good life.
But what is life now besides work?
If you can't have a family, if your kids are trans, if you don't have a God to pray to, and if you have no voice and no purpose, then what is the point of it all?
The reality is enough to blackpill anybody, but it is particularly poignant for those already struggling from mental disorders.
If society has abandoned the average person, it has completely forgotten about the mentally ill.
Then factor in the incessant buzz of social media, television, and cinema, the constant stream of content is enough to burn out the dopamine receptors in the best of us.
I myself feel like it's overkill even now for me.
And the truth is that we're creating a world that is completely removed from what drives our souls.
Now, we are meant to have families.
We are meant to have children that grow up in our image, that reflect our nature like we reflect God in the Imago Day.
We are meant to reach out towards God and strive to be better for him.
Believe me, we're flawed and we're allowed to make mistakes.
Many of us are on a journey.
We're all at different speeds.
But the truth is, it's that redemption.
The truth is that as we fight for something more in ourselves, can we achieve that?
I mean, we labor to make our lives better, not just to get by, not just to meet our rent payment.
We communicate because we have stories to tell.
I run this podcast because there are ideas that I feel need to be communicated.
Not just because we want to see the next TikTok trend or some minor who probably should be arrested or at least their parents for showing those things on our social media apps.
I mean, I'm not a square.
I'm not even a conservative.
In fact, I've had a pretty crazy life.
I've had a pretty rough upbringing and a pretty wild young adult years and teenage years, and I'm still sure as hell trying to figure it out.
But like, not all of us feel the growing weight of our modern existence should be left on our shoulders.
I mean, we have enough to bear.
It's hard as a man to try to pick up the pieces or as a woman.
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Everybody's rooting against you.
For the people that are on the fringes of society, though, not people who are, you know, at least making it, that weight is crushing.
And in the case of Koberger, we are still learning more about him.
But the information that we do know paints an image of a troubled kid.
He was quiet as a teenager, and he evidently was often bullied for being overweight.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I'm not justifying a murder, and I'm not trying to bring sympathy.
The murders that happen in Moscow, if you're not familiar, I'll probably do more work on this, are brutal.
Some of the deadliest that we've ever seen in terms of absolute brutality.
But still, we have to know why these things are increasing.
It's so important to ask.
Now, at one point, he even became addicted to heroin all before seemingly turning his life around.
Now, what exactly led Koberger to allegedly commit these murders is actually still unclear.
And in time, we will see exactly what demons he battled or if he was the demon himself.
Now, before we jump into it, a very important and a striking interview from my guest today, Dr. Carol Lieberman.
Now, of course, she's a clinical psychologist.
She studies criminology this case and is an expert being interviewed by people like Tucker Carlson or many different network news stations.
And so we're grateful to have her on the show.
But her theory is that what's to blame for this is the incel behavior.
And with the incel lifestyle increasing, is it really true that those right-wing Catholic Christian boys that are, you know, tying themselves and committing to chastity are actually individuals that are at a risk for killing people?
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I feel like there's a deeper issue at hand.
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I'd like to welcome to my show, Dr. Caroline Lieberman.
Welcome to the show.
I would like to welcome to slightly offensive for the first time, Dr. Carol Lieberman.
I have here a quote from you directly where you talked a little bit about that the murder was not only personal, but it was someone enraged enough to kill four people in this vicious manner.
He fits the profile of an incel.
So, Doctor, what is an incel, not in terms of slaying on the internet?
I mean, we all see the memes and everything, but according to an expert like yourself, how would you describe that?
An incel is a man who has built up a lot of rage towards women because of not being able to get a woman to have sex with him or to go out with him or certainly to marry him.
And this starts at a very young age.
I mean, generally, these people have never been able to get a woman to do any of these things to be in a romantic relationship.
And so, the reason, yes, I actually, you know, stuck my neck out very early on, as soon as I heard about the nature of the crimes, that not only that it was a knife, because yes, that's very personal, but also that it was so violent.
And for somebody to have that much rage to kill four people in this kind of a rageful manner was suggestive of an incel, in particular because the four students who he killed fit the description of what incels call Stacy's and Chad's.
These are the beautiful people.
Certainly, these students were not only beautiful, but they were popular, they were smart, they stood out on the campus.
And so, these are sort of the quintessential Stacy's and a Chad.
They hate Chads too, because the men who are with these Stacies, because they feel very jealous of them, they feel really angry that they could be, that these women are giving these men their attention and romantic favors, shall we say.
Well, then, as we have come to learn more about Koberger, you know, he does fit the profile.
For one thing, you know, as it said in the affidavit, they have tracked him stalking these people, you know, both with his phone, his cell phone that was pinging in areas that they were in, and then also with his car being seen on video going around his house.
And, you know, this is really the most recent bit of news about this.
There's something really interesting about and frustrating about this crime.
One, you know, we've heard a lot of back and forth from the police.
You know, they would say one thing like, oh, like it was targeted to a person.
And then they would say, no, well, we don't know if it's targeted to a person, but it might be targeted to the house.
And then there were just all these back and forth kinds of statements that they were putting out.
And more recently, I wonder if you saw this.
Well, you probably know that Kaylee's father has said for quite some time that she told him that she had a stalker.
And in fact, there was a man in the town who managed a vape store who reported to the media that when these friends came into his store, they told him that they walked behind her because she has a stalker.
And And then, so, okay, and then they arrested Brian Koberger.
And when they did, Kaylee's father had this expression on his face.
You know, it was like a sort of a combination of an aha moment and a deer caught in headlights because he recognized some link between Kaylee and Brian Koberger.
And then since then, that was a few days ago.
And then since then, both he and particularly the family lawyer, Kaylee's family's lawyer, has been saying that, oh no, there is no connection.
We don't know, there's no connection to any of the four, or the six, perhaps even, certainly not to Kaylee.
And so, no, that's all wrong.
Well, you know, really?
If you saw Kaylee's father, his expression, and his, and he even said, you know, I know the link, but I'm not going to say more now.
Well, I did know about the stalker 100% and about what was going on there, but not about the father being, you know, connecting all of that together, which is partially why I'm having you on yourself.
And it does, though.
I do want to ask this, though, as we continue on.
So then, you know, you said the stalking, et cetera.
Are these just like behaviors that are linked to incel type individuals?
Or is it like anything about the character or the suspect profile that we're talking about here?
I guess he's a suspect now, specifically that genuinely says, hey, this guy is an incel.
He's antagonistic towards Estasy's, towards the Chads.
Like, where are we drawing that?
Because I'm not an investigator and I haven't been able to find those conclusions myself.
Well, you know, yes, actually, something just came out last night.
I was on court TV and one of the people who are someone who's a reporter in Idaho who's been investigating this, found out that in fact there is at least one connection, a significant connection, and that is that Kaylee was at a restaurant or a bar called the Coug on her birthday, which was in June.
And the pings and or the car started being noticed, recorded as evidence starting in June.
So that is one, you know, that's one, I think that's a very significant piece of evidence.
Now, as far as what you're saying, like how, well, Brian Koberger's beginnings as an incel started before he went to Washington.
In fact, it turns out that, you know, people in his school have been talking.
Some of the schoolmates have been talking.
And when he was in high school and he was overweight and he was kind of nerdy, apparently the girls in high school were bullying him to the point that they were throwing things at him.
And it certainly doesn't seem like it got any better because more recently in his hometown of in Pennsylvania, there's a bar there where he is sort of persona non grata because they, whenever he would go into that bar, he would start hassling or harassing the female staff and the female customers, particularly if they rejected him.
So, you know, there is this, Seems like this lifelong pattern of rejection from women.
And also, in his class in Washington State University, where he was studying criminology, some of his friends there said that he would always be particularly condescending and irritating and harassing to the point that you can as a you know to not be thrown out of class to the female students.
Like he would be fine with the male students whenever they would say something in class, for example.
But whenever it was a woman, he would just harass them.
So there are these characteristics, you know, of an incel.
Interestingly, the incels, you know, there's an online community of incels, lots of chat rooms and so on for incels.
I don't have any evidence that he was necessarily in any of these.
We don't know that yet.
But what I do know is that the incels have started a campaign free Brian Koberger.
So the incels recognize him as an incel.
And another thing, he on, you know, you may have heard that he it's he is suspected to be the poster on a Facebook, you know, a Facebook group.
He, there was a poster that called themselves Papa Roger.
Now, Elliot Roger is the number one incel.
He is the most famous, the most revered by other incels.
He is the incel who killed people at UC Santa Barbara in 2014.
He, you know, he wrote a manifesto.
There's no question that he is an incel.
And he is considered still, so to speak, the papa of the incels, the most notorious, the most, he killed seven people.
He killed himself after he went on this spree using a knife and a gun and his car, ramming the people with his car.
And he talked in his manifesto, you know, he is like a perfect description of an incel where he talks about, you know, all the pain that he was in because women, since he started trying to date women, women have always been rejecting him and they've been so mean.
And so with these, you know, revelations about incels backing him up, what do you mean, or the difference between somebody who, let's say, is incel and somebody who's just not sexually active for other reasons like choice of religion, maybe an option.
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What do you mean, or the difference between somebody who, let's say, is in cell and somebody who's just not sexually active for other reasons like choice of religion, maybe an awkward personality or a mental disorder that prevents them from communicating well like autism?
Well, there are, you know, there are people like that, of course.
In fact, you know, the an incel in Toronto, Alec Minosian, he in 2018 rammed his car onto a sidewalk in Toronto and killed 10 people.
And he was, he didn't kill himself.
He went to trial.
And he, his defense was, he was trying for not guilty by reason of insanity defense.
He didn't get that, but his defense was that he had autism, that he had been diagnosed with autism.
And so in the end, he got life in prison, but with the possibility of parole after 25 years.
So, you know, and yes, there are certainly lots of nerds who get rejected.
Not all of them kill four, you know, college students or ram them with their car.
And so clearly, there has to be some other psychological issue in addition to that, or that in fact makes it harder for them to have a relationship with a woman.
So what are the dangers, would you say, in connection to this with the incel community?
Because I feel like there's a version of people on the internet that, you know, the same people that will call anyone an incel that let's just say, you know, leans towards the right or is sort of pro-male are the same kind of people on the other side who would call anyone who's, you know, leans another way a fascist or, you know, the right wing will call anyone a communist.
These are, these are sometimes extreme words that are misidentifiers.
So with the term incel, do you feel like it's an extremist label?
And if it's if it is or isn't, which I'm not really concerned, you know, which way we go here, why is it appropriate to apply this suggestion to the suspect himself?
Like, why is it significant that he would be an incel outside of the fact that he just didn't like women?
Well, first of all, you know, I guess there are people who use that term pejoratively, like they can use any lots of other terms pejoratively.
Certainly as a forensic psychiatrist, I am not using it pejoratively.
The reason why I started mentioning it early on in particular was because I wanted to try to help the police, FBI, and so on solve the crime.
So I was trying to talk about what to look for, you know, what kind of person to look for.
And I gave a whole list of things to look for.
And one of them was that after the crime, this, the killer, would change his personality.
Whereas he might have been somewhat of an introvert beforehand.
He would then be more animated and more talkative because he did something that he was proud of.
He had a conquest, so to speak.
And in fact, some of the students in his class in Washington State University said that, that he had been, he always has this face that sort of doesn't move, right?
But they said that after the crime, and they didn't suspect that he was the killer, of course.
But looking back at it, he was more animated and more talkative and so on after the crime.
You know, we've unearthed some of his past posts that he's had online where he talks about having visual snow, migraines, buzzing in the ear, delusions of grandeur, depersonalization, no emotion.
I mean, as a forensic psychologist, as looking into these kinds of things, does this not sound like schizophrenia or some sort of deep mental disturbance?
If not, what are we seeing with these self-diagnoses?
It's interesting that he made, that he wrote those posts about 10 years ago.
You know, if it had been a little sooner, a little more recent, it looked like he was purposely writing those things to try to go for a not guilty by reason of insanity defense.
Of course, in Idaho, they don't have that defense per se, but they do allow people, they do allow defendants to have expert witnesses, psychiatrists or psychologists as expert witnesses to try to introduce mediating factors or whatever.
But why, what was the, tell me that question again, I can't.
Oh, I'm saying, I'm saying, I mean, yeah, are these not alluding to the fact that he may not like, it may not be incel or other forces driving him to have done this, but perhaps a greater mental disturbance like schizophrenia?
I mean, I'm not a doctor, and so, and I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but these sound alarming to be, to be stated so long ago and to not be at least considered as reasons why he might have gone mad.
I think, you know, incels do, I think that they do have, as I was saying before, under other psychiatric issues underlying the, well, let me, no, let me put it a different way.
The ones that the incels who, not all incels kill, you know, first of all, but the ones who do kill and have these very violent kinds of kills or more than one person, you know, it certainly does seem like they have an underlying psychiatric disorder on top of or that predisposed them to be awkward, you know, when he was in school.
Why did the women or girls in his high school, you know, start bullying him to begin with and rejecting him and all that?
You know, Elliot, the first incel that I was talking about, he was a fairly good looking guy.
His father had a lot of money.
He was a Hollywood producer.
He had a fancy car.
You know, he had things that one might expect women to at least give him the time of day.
But the women were able to see that there was something creepy about him.
And that's what women have said about Brian Koberger, that there was something creepy about him.
So it's not necessarily, you know, the incels online talk about, they talk a lot about how it has to do with their looks.
They focus primarily on their looks, also money.
But and they, so they say that it's genetics, that some people are born to be incels if they're not good looking enough.
In other words, so that women would, you know, typically reject them.
But yes, I think there is something underneath that caused him to be awkward and creepy, you know, in the first place.
And, you know, I do, I am concerned, though, going back a little bit into his college years.
I know he's a student teacher in Pullman, Washington.
He'd access to a lot of young girls, from my understanding, and he'd a certain level of psychological dominance over them in terms of that parent-student relationship.
You know, like you're obviously going to a teacher because you think they know what's right or they have the answers that you're looking for, the education, and he's being their superior.
How do you think that plays in the psychological profile of the suspect?
And how do you think those relationships might have affected, you know, him in the way that he ended up allegedly taking revenge or as we'll get to whatever the motive was on these individuals?
Well, you know, he wanted to be this is the other part of his dynamics, psychodynamics that's so interesting.
He wanted to be, well, really, what I, his end game, I think, was that he wanted to be a notorious killer who they would, someone would write a book about and who the students in criminology would ultimately be studying, just like they're studying the BTK killer and so on.
They'd be studying him.
That was his endgame.
That's what he really wanted.
But on the other hand, and so he was trying to learn how to commit the perfect crime.
But on the other hand, I think he was aware of his murderous impulses for quite some time.
And he was also, you know, going into criminology because he wanted, well, first psychology and undergrad and then criminology because he wanted to understand himself and sort of calm these murderous impulses.
So he was fighting with himself.
Do I want to calm my murderous impulses or do I want to become the most notorious killer that they're going to read about?
And so for the students, and yeah, there were more women who were in his grad school in Washington State University.
It was kind of interesting.
The class was mostly women, I think there were 24 in the class, and five of them were men.
So he obviously would have had more women students under him.
You know, in a sense, that gave him like it was, it would be not likely that he would attack them because in a sense, he already had power over them because he was their TA.
And they talked about how he, when he was a T before the crime, when he was a TA at Washington State University, he used to grade papers very harshly.
And he used to write mean things on the papers to the students.
And then after the crime, he didn't.
He didn't write anything and he didn't give his bad grades, which is, it's, you know, it's another interesting aspect.
And so I think what is what is kind of brings me to a shocking perspective here is do we know of any other interests that he had in college, what kind of classes he was taking, things that bring more insight into why a guy would do something like this?
I mean, this was a brutal murder in some of the most extreme, extremely aggressive and violent Ways that this was carried out.
I mean, what do we know about him, his education and his interests?
Well, he went to a community college first for undergrad and then went to a Catholic school, college school, and he also went there for not only for that's where he got his master's from.
And then what's so interesting is, and then he went to Washington State University to go into the PhD program.
Now, what's interesting about all that is that Ted Bundy went to school in Washington.
Well, first of all, he studied, Ted Bundy studied psychology, and then he studied law.
And he went to Washington State to do some of his studies.
So you have to wonder whether this suspect purposely went to Washington, you know, whether he was following, in a sense, the path of Ted Bundy.
And kind of bringing that down is, you know, with seeing his background, one of the questions I came up with was I saw that from a young age, he was on a medication called tapirimate, if I'm saying that right.
And this medication was used for epilepsy.
The side effects were from weight loss to hallucination.
And there also, from my understanding, there appeared to be class action lawsuits against the drug.
Thousands online claimed it ruined their lives.
You know, do you think that a drug like this could have played a role in psychological decay of an individual being used at a young age?
And have drugs like this affected the psychology of murders in the past?
I mean, where are we seeing the connection between pharmaceuticals, clinical treatment, and murders occurring like this, murders of passion or of confusion?
Well, you know, I know people like to blame different psychiatric medications for this.
I mean, you know, for example, there are cases where people were taking, like, for example, the classic is Columbine, where the two students were taking antidepressants.
But, you know, it's not really the antidepressants.
And I know there was this whole thing recently, some months ago, blaming antidepressants for things, but it's not the antidepressant or it's not, you know, a medication like that you just mentioned.
It's really the fact that if someone, the problem is that these days, people are put on various kinds of medication and not getting psychotherapy.
It's not that the medication per se does anything bad.
It's that nowadays, you know, psychiatrists have become pill pushers.
Not I, I refuse to do that because pills alone don't cure anybody of anything.
But anyhow, but typically a psychiatrist will just will see somebody for half an hour and give them a prescription.
And whatever the prescription is, if you don't follow that up or don't combine psychotherapy, ongoing weekly psychotherapy with it to get to the root of the problem, you know, then the person doesn't get better.
In fact, they could kill themselves or kill other people.
But because in particular with antidepressants, they are more activating.
And so if a person was thinking of killing themselves before they took the antidepressant, but they weren't acting on it because they were so depressed and they were just so sort of paralyzed that if they take an antidepressant, then three weeks later, within the three weeks, they could be more activated to actually kill themselves.
But it's again, it's not the medication, it's the lack of therapy.
And so, obviously, that would be, you know, I just always wonder with some of these things.
I myself, you know, had taken some medications when I was younger, and I felt like they actually made me crazy.
And in fact, like, I thought they made me not feel like myself, and I've never really rebounded after taking some of those medications, including with my memory, disassociation, and somewhat of problems.
And I've looked, and there's multiple class action lawsuits against those medication manufacturers.
And so it makes me wonder.
I do want to wrap up by asking a couple closing questions here.
You mentioned the fact, obviously, one of these ideas about him being an incel because he's being praised by the incel community.
How do you feel that a person should take responsibility for describing or confirming who they are based on a community that supports them?
Well, you know, I don't know that he would ever come out and say, hey, I'm an incel.
That's why I did it.
You know, I don't know that that would really help in his defense.
It's not a diagnosis per se that's in that's in the diagnostic and statistical manual, you know, that psychiatrists use.
It could be part of a psychological defense in terms of mediating, you know, whatever sentence he gets.
But I mean, it's not really something that people are necessarily proud of.
On the other hand, it could be possible, you know, that he would want some campaign to help him, you know, to try to say, you know, you did the right thing because, you know, you have to speak up for you did one for the incels.
And certainly also, because as I was saying, he wants to be notorious.
He wants to have a book about him.
You know, that could be part of, he might, you know, acknowledge that as part of the book, making him unusual.
Or, you know, I don't think he is a Ronda the Mill serial killer.
And I want to say, with the audience here that has been tracking this, this has been very interesting to me because obviously people have been very wrong.
There's been so many rumors that have been spread about this case.
And I found it quite fascinating that this is what is to blame.
Do you feel like this is more of a personal question unrelated to the murders?
I think the Telegraph put out a story yesterday saying that young men are in crisis in the West and nobody's paying attention to them.
What do you feel about that headline?
And how do you think, if at all, that's connected to what might have happened in these murders?
I didn't read the article, but you know, I am not a feminist, and I think that the feminist movement and the Me Too movement and all of that has really done a lot of damage, not only to men and young men, but also to women, because it really has just widened the gap of relationships between men and women.
And I think, you know, a lot of men resent women for it's one thing to have equality.
It's another thing to, you know, to try to go up against, you know, to purposely say, for example, with Me Too, well, like Johnny Depp, for example, and Amber Heard, you know, that is not okay.
What she did was not okay.
So there is, there are too many, you know, it has gotten out of control and the Me Too movement.
So there are these clashes, you know, starting with feminism, then with Me Too, which are all kind of similar.
Yes, it's not, it's not, it's taking away the manhood, so to speak, of men.
I mean, it is pretty remarkable because a lot of times in these situations, it's that men, I feel like, are left behind or that they are not thought of as people who have problems.
I mean, we hear a lot about women beauty standards, not realizing that almost every men's magazine has models.
Every movie has models of men who are, you know, injecting trend and different forms of anabolic steroids.
Literally, almost every single person giving extremely unnatural body types.
And, you know, the psychology, it's a lot of, a lot of the messaging is about how men have had it too good or that we have too much privilege, et cetera.
And so, you know, sometimes I feel like when there's somebody struggling, there can be that terminology used by people in day-to-day speech or the behavior of like, well, you know, whatever.
Like I can make fun of him.
I can bully him.
There's nothing wrong with this.
But of course, as we're seeing, it's really important to take the mental health, the spiritual health, and the overall well-being of every individual, regardless of race or gender or color, very important in society because, you know, as people like to point out this or that as an underlying factor, people are dead.
And if this was preventable, it would be important to know, you know, even though we can't undo history, why it happened and what could have been done to prevent further things like this from occurring.
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