March 5, 2021 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Tom MacDonald Meets Slightly Offens*ve | Ep 132
Mega viral rap star Tom MacDonald discusses his biggest hits with Elijah and his thoughts on wokeness, cancel culture, and the insanity in the world today. This episode confirms why so many people love him and the elites hate him.
Yeah, and you've kind of been all over the country, all over the world.
Your songs have been blowing up.
If you can go to my screen right now, Savannah, I want to give a huge congratulations to you as well.
I see here, this is from the headline Planet.
It says Tom McDonald's Clown World, which is a song we are just listening to, reaches number one on the U.S. iTunes hip-hop rap sales chart, top three on all genre listing.
There's a picture of you looking like a crazy mother effer.
Like, right before Clown World, we had we hit number one on four different Billboard charts with Fake Woke and Canceled that came out a couple of weeks ago, also charted on Billboard in the top five.
And we've had, you know, almost a dozen number ones on iTunes at this point.
So yeah, it's pretty surreal, man.
It all happened sort of, you know, overnight.
So, so yeah, it's really cool.
I, I, people always ask me, like, oh, how do you feel being a famous rapper now and stuff?
And honestly, I feel like the same kid who was writing rhyming words in his phone 10 years ago.
Like, it just, it all feels a little unbelievable to me.
And honestly, for people that aren't familiar with your work, you know, this is our series, the most hated on the internet.
And it actually, if this is your first time watching this series, it's being hated on the internet for the right reasons.
And Tom is no stranger to controversy.
And his music does not back down from things that would confront some of the more sensitive parts of society, which is why we always have him here on slightly offensive.
We're going to be going over a lot of his music, some of his songs, why the people are pissed at him for reasons I'm sure most of you that are watching will love and a few of you that are losers will hate.
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So welcome back to Slightly Offensive, the best worst show on Blaze TV with the best graphics ever.
My name is Elijah Schaefer, your top 17 hosts, at least on YouTube.
We have Tom McDonald, the rapper that is here today.
Let's talk about this.
So you've been all around.
You've been breaking out.
Have, I believe, are pissing off the right people.
You've been called homophobe.
You've been called a Nazi, a transphobe.
You've even been, but you've also been called gay for the color of your, like, so you've, you've pretty much been all over the map with what you've been called.
I continue making the best music that I can make and keep hitting number one on Billboard and keep selling tons of music and just keep doing my thing, man.
There's, I mean, there's nothing really else to say.
Like, all these people that like to throw these labels and insults, he's a homophobic or he's racist or he's sexist or blah, blah, blah.
Like, these are just people whose, you know, the ideologies that they subscribe to and the narrative that they sort of live their life by doesn't match up perfectly with the way I go about my business.
And instead of having a discussion or engaging in a conversation, I don't know if it's that they're too angry to have the conversation or if they're just not intelligent enough to have the conversation.
I'm not exactly sure the reasons why they don't want to talk.
But in the absence of that discussion, they just throw labels and call people names, which is totally fine with me.
Like, I know who I am.
My friends and family know who I am.
My fans know who I am.
And it's none of those things that they're trying to label me as.
Man, just like I'm using some from talking about the same things that every other rapper was talking about, whether that be making money or doing drugs or selling drugs or guns and girls and clothes and cars and houses and just all that, all that shit.
I was making that same music for a long time.
I was a kid and I was being influenced by the rappers I was listening to and pretty much like telling their story.
And then the reader's digest is I had a massive mental breakdown like a few years back and got sober, stopped drinking, stopped partying, and just kind of took the million pieces that I had broken myself down into and had the opportunity to put them back together.
And that was my darkest hour.
And you really get to figure out what you're made of when you're going through those types of situations.
So, you know, I found out like what I wanted to talk about, who I wanted to talk about it to, how I wanted to talk about it.
And I made the shift into sort of, you know, political or I'm not exactly sure how you define my genre.
So, you know, everything that I'm saying in my songs, like, whether it be incorrect or correct, whether it be Factual or ignorant, like these are just things that I've felt and I've personally thought about.
And when I flip on the news and I turn on the internet and I see the things that are going on in the world, this is just me like digesting a lot of this stuff and then you know, like just talking about it in music.
Like, I don't, I don't dive too deep into things.
I try to stay like pretty service level because I think that helps it be more digestible for an audience.
So, um, so that's really it, man.
Just, you know, the environment and the state of the world today is what's influencing the music.
We talk about that here a lot, like the clown pill.
And that's even why I tried to fit in with the kids here.
I'm like, you know, hey, I can still be cool.
I was actually thinking about that.
I was like, who am I?
I'm interviewing Tonda.
I was like, I was like a complete loser.
And that's also how I look in real life.
But then I tried to put some face tats on and it didn't turn out.
I didn't look as cool as you.
But it's like, what I think is so interesting about your music is that, number one, you know, it's hard to say that this is original music because it's like there's nothing new under the sun, the Bible says.
But at the same time, it's like you're saying things that shouldn't be edgy, that shouldn't be offensive, that shouldn't make people shriek.
But for some reason, they are.
And the reason why I'm surprised is because when you say things like that, like there's only two genders, and people say that, you know, oh, he's controversial, he's homophobic, he's transphobic.
It's like, what about the other rap music?
What are they saying about the music like WAP, like Cardi B's music that talks about how wet her vagina is, and then she wins woman of the year?
And you're going, well, I mean, I understand if you want to get mad at all music that pushes buttons, but what kind of world do we live in where somebody can't state the obvious, but somebody can get into deep descriptions about this?
I don't even want to talk about Cardi B's vagina.
Cardi B's vagina is a very deep topic, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, vagina is okay for the FCC, but is like those ones where now we're at three bleeps.
And Savannah's now, if you see her, she's like absolutely like shaking her head now, just going like, oh, you're putting in so much work for me.
No, but I'm saying, like, so what's your response to that with like the people who say that your lyrics are offensive, that what you're saying is what destructed the society while at the same time uplifting other artists who are talking about, you know, guns, drugs, and sexuality?
I think that the real issue is like not that it's controversial.
And whether like the things that I'm saying, like, like I said, whether they're true or not, like, these are just like my feelings.
And I think the issue here is not that it's commercial, but it is uncommon for people to speak their authentic feelings publicly these days.
So I think that like, you know, when you're listening to songs about, you know, the guns and the WAPs and the Xanax and this type of stuff, like I think that that type of music has become so common that it's like if you stub your toe on the edge of your bed, like maybe the first day it really hurts and you get really angry.
And then the next day after that, it hurts a little less and you get a little less angry.
And then you continue to do this to the point where, okay, that's just what happens.
I just stub my toe now.
It doesn't bother me.
It's cool.
And that's how I feel like the music has gotten.
It's just, it's so expendable and coming out and being digested at such a high rate.
I think that people have just got used to hearing about the guns and drugs and girls and clothes and money.
And what I'm doing, I don't think it's controversial.
I think it's just uncommon for somebody to be genuine about the way they feel and say it on the record or say it on the internet.
Everybody's so scared of the ridicule of strangers on the internet and everybody's seeking a poll from strangers on the internet.
So it's just like, the fastest way to get dragged online and the fastest way to be disapproved by strangers worldwide online is to tell everybody your unfiltered feelings about sh ⁇ .
And I'm just really, I'm just not really that worried about it.
You know, somebody was telling me they were like, oh, you know, you could be a little more loving on your show.
I was like, bro, we're in a war of ideas.
I mean, this is not the time to just be, you know, soft on people.
This is a time to be straight up hard.
Like back in the day, I guess you could just take out a gun and point at someone that was considered being hard, gangbanging.
But now it's like the fact that you acknowledge basic biology makes you a total gangster, I guess, in the world.
And that's what's so weird about it.
It's like gangsters.
You mentioned about Eminem and we're going to talk about some of this stuff, like how he used to be talking about beating up his family members and now he's mad if his fans voted for Trump.
You have this song called No Lives Matter that you wrote.
And I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
You mentioned some really deep critiques that have been lost as people have focused more on their body parts and drugs.
You said that in the song No Lives Matter that everything is so connected, we could unify and then I'll go against them.
Telling people that you need a fast car, the world's telling me designer clothes, you need a rap star to tell you to start popping pills.
Let's go ahead and let's play like the first 30 to 40 seconds of that song, Savannah.
And then we're going to talk about it a little bit.
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hip-hop diet is full of guys who cannot even rap media dividing us by colors white or black if you believe in jesus these days christians get attacked if you don't hate police then everybody thinks you're white And everything's so connected.
Black Lives Matter got so aggressive.
White folks who agree can't support the message.
Both sides go to war because they don't respect it.
Our social climate from the global tension turned to total violence and a whole depression.
We can unify and then I'll go against them, but we let them divide us with votes and elections.
Hey, the music we bump, all about shooting guns and doing drugs.
I think that's kind of like in the F you of the face.
As you talk about the stuff, like what the elites are doing and trying to control people, this is the interesting aspect that makes me, you know, I think even draws not just me, but a lot of people to you is the fact that because you're independent, because you are not sold out to elites, you didn't do anything that probably violated your conscience to get where you are.
You did that stuff in the past and you've learned from it.
You've grown from it.
You didn't sell out to be the person that you are today.
Instead, you've become a better person through all this.
And through that, I know that a lot of people are really pissed at you.
I know that labels are mad because they can't get you.
I know that rappers are upset because without having to, you know, we all know what people do.
From Hollywood, so I know what people do in Hollywood to get where they are.
And I'm sure you're very aware of that as well.
And it's not good.
But you've chosen not to do all that.
Why did you choose to go against the whole system?
I mean, like, why would you choose to give up all that money up front to do what you do now and make it Tom versus the world?
There was no sort of critical sort of like turning point.
I think I came out of the womb, or as Elijah might say, I came out of the vagina holding up the middle finger, I think.
I've just always been that way.
And I've always had a problem with authority of all kinds, whether that was my folks or teachers or police or security guards.
Or I've always marched to the beat of my own drum and like favorite technique type of ed, like Tom, like you might be a rapper, but Tom, like, you might be a rapper, but like, rock and roll has always been less about the music and more about screaming your truth at the top of your lungs.
So you might be a rapper, but this is this is all rock and roll to me.
And that's kind of just like where I'm at with things.
Like there's no, there's no record label or amount of money or fancy car or big house or incentive that you can offer me that's going to make me compromise my morals or limit my artistic freedom.
Like that's what this is really all about at the end of the day.
It's like I'm here to say what I have to say.
I'm here to rock and roll and scream the truth at the top of my lungs.
And I just can't, in my soul, I can't let anything throw water on that fire, you know?
And I think that people relate to you because you say the things that they're thinking.
And I think that you actually try to like, I think when people listen to music like myself, it's a lost art that like when you listen to instrumental music, you want it to sound the way that you feel, right?
If you're feeling dark, you might listen to some soundtracks from movies or some atmospheric music when you want to be peaceful.
But sometimes you just want to, you're just mad at it.
And like, that's how I feel.
I look at the world around me and I'm just like pissed.
And I'm like, nobody's speaking the truth that these things that are going on are not only wrong, but even if you're not moral or you don't, you know, aren't a person of faith or whatever, it's like you're going, I can tell still what's right and wrong.
And I can see who's going in the good and bad direction.
Meaning, I know that no point in history do the people that ban speech in books ever become the good guys in the history books.
And I know where we're headed with this.
And I know that people see that you're calling out the book very, very well.
And they've tried to cancel you.
And I want to talk a little about your thoughts on cancel culture and some of the fights people come against you.
But I want to play your song Canceled that talks about some of this stuff in a very artistic way, ways that this show, I mean, I know we match you close.
We're close to your production of your videos here in this.
You know, we're actually in a closet because really, truly, yeah, because of the January 6th things events, we documented that we had problems with the feds and we had to leave our whole studio and like set up in an undisclosed location.
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Tom, I'm not joking when I say that it's good you guys can't see my full shot today because only half of the wall behind me is painted.
I mean, I think that even the word like being canceled is like, I don't even think there's any definitive like sort of definition for it.
Like it's it takes a lot of forms.
And like there's the internet mob that will try to sort of rally against you online and tell people to not listen to you.
Or if you're an author, they'll tell your publishing company to stop publishing your books.
Or if you're an artist, they'll tell your record label to drop you or boycott your music.
Or an actor, they get involved with production companies and stuff.
So that's like one side of it is sort of like the internet mob.
And then I think that big tech has canceled a lot of people and that's taken the form of deplatforming or shadow banning, demonetizing, like all this type of stuff.
So it's just like, it's a really wishy-washy thing.
Like there's been tons of people that have been rallying against me and my music for years.
But they're like, like I said, in cancel, there's no record label here.
There's no marketing dollars being spent by anybody other than me.
There's no sponsors that are going to feel slighted by any of the music I make.
So that's not really an option.
So it's just kind of resorted to online bullying and that type of, you know, I don't bullsh.
And I'm sorry that you're going to have to censor that, Savannah, but it's just pretty much resorted to that.
And I've had some like strange things happen on the back end of social media.
Things that are definitely out of the ordinary that I've never experienced before that have just started occurring in the last six months to a year, but especially in the last six months.
But they're all sort of like falling in a gray area where it's like, I can't tell if it's a purposeful act, if it's a glitch, or if it's just, I just can't figure out exactly what's going on.
Like I know that like I had some strikes brought up on an account the other day and the strikes were from things that I posted in like 2016.
So they've been up there for years and years and years and there was no problem when they initially got posted.
But sort of lately with the whole censorship of people's voices online and stuff, all of a sudden I got dinged for like a couple things I posted, you know, five years ago.
Which to me, like, that's untypical.
Like that feels a little purposeful to, but I'm not sure.
So it's like, at this point in time, it's like, even though I do have a lot of disdain for censorship and silencing people, and I'm a little bit disenfranchised with a lot of the social media giants and stuff.
And I do realize that the terms of service and community guidelines are definitely written in such a way that they can be interpreted differently by anyone and they can be distorted and used to the advantage of the people who are using the guidelines to get rid of people.
Like, I understand all this stuff.
And even though I hate it and it's a difficult relationship for me because I'm also using these platforms.
If it wasn't for these platforms, Elijah, you probably wouldn't know about me.
I did find you on YouTube because I was like, who is this insane person wearing a red ski mask?
I remember I saw you a while ago.
I was like, who is this person?
And then I was like, oh, this is pretty legit.
I was like, this is what music used to be.
It used to be like raw and actually mean something.
And it used to make you think and challenge ideas.
And now it's just like, oh, and now I see who you are.
And I've watched you develop over the years too, from somebody who was like, oh, yeah, I mean, you were well known.
People listened to you to becoming somebody somewhat of like a major star, which I think one of the biggest stars outside of labels to develop probably in the last 12 months, I would say.
So, yeah, I guess where I was trying to go is I disagree with like the censorship and everything that's happening online wholeheartedly, 1 million% disapprove.
I think this is a very slippery slope.
I think that if you go back to the thing that happened in Russia like many years ago when Riot got locked up for, I don't know if they were protesting the government or talking about the government in like an unflattering light.
I'm not exactly sure what they did, but like they're artists and they're making art and they got locked up.
And I just feel like we're on a very slippery slope right now.
And I mean, I feel like situations like that could become the could become reality over here.
And, you know, I hope and pray that it doesn't.
And I'm trying to play within the rules and the guidelines and the community standards.
I'm not sure how long that's going to last for before they decide that he's got to go.
But until that moment, I'm just going to continue to know the limits and attempt to play within it.
I think that the biggest issue that's going to be going forward for artists is deciding what art and what you can say on these platforms and what they're going to allow you to do.
Basically saying if you wanted to chop your off, tuck, you know, get your inverted, stuff it with your nuts and make a cavity inside of you and then talk about it being wet, then you might actually become the first woman of the year.
But if you want to talk about the fact that there might be two genders, then we should cancel you.
And I want to get into that in a moment here about, if you can pull up my screen here, Savannah, you came out with a song that's probably one of the biggest songs of the year.
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I'm also going to say that you are adding to my list of Canadians that I like, which was only at about two as of this morning.
Honestly, I think it's like it's just that, and it's a kind of a wishy-washy cliche quote, but I think that sometimes you just can't see the forest through the trees.
So, I think if you were, you know, born in America and you were born in that forest, I think sometimes your perspective's not as clear or as stark as it may be from, you know, coming from Canada.
Like, there's a little bit of a culture shot coming here, and I really got to look at things from an outsider's view, from an outside perspective, which might have helped me observe what I was seeing and quantify it into music like a little easier than it would be for somebody who maybe just came up in this environment and is used to it, you know.
Yeah, you know, like I'm kind of like in a unique situation as far as the masks thing.
First of all, like to me, the fact that the masks have become so hyper-politicized is laughable, first of all.
Like people have been either wearing them or not wearing them as some sort of badge of honor to the political ideology that they subscribe to.
Like that's just like pure insanity to me.
It's just like, I don't know why you let that become a symbol of like, I don't know.
It just, I don't know.
I think it's ridiculous.
But I'm in a little bit of like a weird situation as far as the masks go because I think just like everybody else, like I don't, I don't want to wear a mask.
I don't like wearing masks.
And it's just that there's so much conflicting information that comes out and they say the masks help.
And then two weeks later they say the masks don't help.
And then they come back and say, oh, actually, the masks do help.
And then they say, oh, if you wear two masks, it does twice as much.
And then they backtrack and say, oh, actually, we've done another test, another study, and it proves that they're actually worse for your health.
Like, so it's just like all this conflicting information coming from the places that we're supposed to be able to rely on for like legitimate information.
And it's just been a really confusing thing for me because my girlfriend, like I said, has a really acute respiratory condition.
So a year ago, she got a regular cold and was in the hospital for almost two weeks and it cost $50,000.
So for me, I'm just in this weird place where it's like, I'm going to wear my mask at the very least to protect my girlfriend, potentially, if it works.
I have to pretty much do everything that I possibly humanly can do to keep her safe.
A, because I love her to death.
And B, because she shoots every single music video and I cannot afford to get her sick.
Well, see, but I think what you're bringing up here is like that's important about the fake wokeness is that it's not about creating a society, like counteracting the sensitivity and culture with like just being complete a-holes.
It's like, well, we should just be, you know, a-holes.
Like, I have a thing too, where it's like, I know if I'm around older people, I'll wear a mask, or people that look disabled, I'll put one on.
If somebody asks me, like, if a private business asks me, okay, we'd prefer if you have one on in here, I don't, you know, sit around and just did we lose them.
My favorite part in the show is when people see how high of a production we are.
And I'd be able to see that too.
People watch things that are polished, right?
Like your music videos, and it's like, they think that it's like unobtainable.
And like, I just want people to know, like, you, you don't have to be the next Tom McDonald, but you can be the next you.
And you don't have to, you know, be Fox News or CNN or something.
Like, if you have a microphone, if you have your phone in your hand, you can get the truth out.
And that's the point of the interview where our TriCaster failed while we were interviewing a guest we've been trying to get for months that is a high-profile rapper, mega viral star.
It's not embarrassing at all, and that's not a sign that this is a low-budget show.
Cue the graphics, please.
Some confetti, Savannah.
Obviously, with these kind of graphics, you would never believe that we're actually in a closet with no ceiling panels, barely getting this show off the ground.
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You know, our budget is so high on this show that sometimes our equipment just, it can't handle anything.
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