We sat down with an individual who regretted transitioning medically from a man to a woman. After hormone and surgical procedures, he realized that his dysphoria would still not go away, but why? After a few years, this man finally realized the lie pushed upon transgender people and decided it was time to go back to being a man, but it’s not as simple as it sounds.
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| I mean these are medical professionals right? | |
| Yes. | |
| But they are taking your word for it. | |
| Yes. | |
| And what was the criteria that that she used to say, yeah, I agree that you actually are transgender? | |
| I believe at the time I honestly just told her I was transgender, that I wanted to transition from male to female, that I didn't feel comfortable being as a boy. | |
| And she said, that's good enough. | |
| So you can't even buy a beer at this point, legally. | |
| You can't even buy alcohol. | |
| Actually, now I think federally, you can't even buy, or maybe it's just our state, you can't buy cigarettes at that age, but you can tell someone that you are the wrong gender and they just take your word for it. | |
| Yes. | |
| The number of young people seeking gender reassignment surgery is at an all-time high, but we rarely, if ever, hear anything about those who have come to regret their decisions. | |
| Welcome back to Slightly Offensive with your favorite host, me, Elijah Schaefer. | |
| We are here in the studio today with a very special topic. | |
| It is time to de-transition. | |
| Welcome back to Slightly Offensive with your favorite host, me, Elijah Schaefer. | |
| We have a special topic today, which is called It's Time to Detransition, where we are interviewing an individual who is going under the pseudonym of Abel Garcia, who underwent partial gender reassignment surgery and has been diagnosed as a transgender, but has decided to revert back to the gender they were born with. | |
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| Anyway, I want to welcome to the studio, of course, and for the very first time on Slightly Offensive, Abel Garcia. | |
| Thank you so much for coming. | |
| Hi, Elijah. | |
| Thank you for having me here. | |
| Awesome. | |
| Well, okay, first of all, I want to say I'm really grateful for you deciding to come on and share your story, not only with me, but of course with the thousands of people theoretically that are watching this over time, as this is a topic that I think is really not only politically charged, but it's medically charged and socially charged, which is really, really interesting. | |
| So I know you don't want to give too much about your private life, but maybe for just those that don't know you, if you just want to go ahead and introduce yourself a little bit, just around what, around what age you are, you can just say you're in your whatever. | |
| Well, like I said, my name is Abel Garcia. | |
| As Elijah said, it is a pseudonym for my identity. | |
| I transitioned around the age of 18, 19, and I am currently 22 years old, so about three to four year transition. | |
| So I'm born a biologically male. | |
| I transitioned to female. | |
| And I would say within the last year, year and a half, that's when I've had thoughts of regret to transition back as a male. | |
| Were you medically diagnosed when you were younger, like by an actual clinician? | |
| Or how did you come to accept that you were transgender in your mind? | |
| Well, as a child, I never got diagnosed by any clinic, not until I went out on my own at age 18, 19 when I did it on my own. | |
| The clinic that I had gone to around 18, 19, well, 18 is when I started to go. | |
| The therapist that I got, she actually told me that she could get me all the paperwork that I needed to transition that after my first session with her. | |
| After your first session, she was already. | |
| So wait, did you go through hormone treatment as a kid at all? | |
| No. | |
| So you started hormone treatment at 19. | |
| And that's after your first session, one session. | |
| How did that go? | |
| Because people don't understand. | |
| When you go in and say, did you just go and say, I think that I'm a woman? | |
| And then what? | |
| Yeah, like around that, exactly how you just said it. | |
| I around 18, obviously not after I turned 18, but a month after I had gone out to find someone to a therapist to help me transition, I had found one in the area that I live in, and she exactly what she said is that her clinic where she was working at, they're not trying to be gatekeepers for us, for anyone who says they're transgender, and they try to get them their paperwork quickly. | |
| So they believe you, like, I mean, these are medical professionals, right? | |
| Yes. | |
| But they are taking your word for it. | |
| Yes. | |
| And what was the criteria that she used to say, yeah, I agree, right, that you actually are transgender? | |
| I believe at the time, I honestly just told her I was transgender, that I wanted to transition from male to female, that I didn't feel comfortable being as a boy. | |
| And she said, that's good enough. | |
| So you can't even buy a beer at this point, legally. | |
| You can't even buy alcohol. | |
| Actually, now I think federally you can't even buy, or maybe it's just our state, you can't buy cigarettes at that age, but you can tell someone that you are the wrong gender and they just take your word for it. | |
| Yes. | |
| Well, I mean, it doesn't blow my mind because I live in California, and so it's not exactly shocking to me, but I mean, to some people, it might be a little bit shocking to where they come from. | |
| So that being said, how long was there between when you went to the clinic and then when you started getting the hormone treatment? | |
| Well, for me, and I would say I'm a much different case than most people. | |
| Most people would, I'm assuming, would try to get an ASAP. | |
| I, on the other hand, actually took my sweet time. | |
| I think like almost a year, if not a year and a half, I took between my first therapy session until I officially got hormones. | |
| So I actually went slower than most people who would say they were in my situation who claimed to be transgender. | |
| They would have gone like the second therapist had approved them. | |
| But like I said, I actually wanted to confirm everything. | |
| But like I said, obviously eventually I regretted my decision. | |
| This is an interesting point that has always confused me and confuses a lot of people. | |
| When you're transgender, obviously, let's just go with the medical terms. | |
| They would say, oh, that's, you know, you believe you're a girl. | |
| So that being said, do you like, are you sexually turned on by boys or by girls? | |
| Or neither. | |
| I mean, it could be neither. | |
| I don't know. | |
| No, that's the other thing. | |
| In regards to that question, I would say now that I've gotten older, more towards women. | |
| But that also goes in regards to because I want to have a family in the future. | |
| Because at the age of 18, 19, when I had started my transition, I said, well, I'd rather be a woman who's into men. | |
| Because how my brain worked at the time and still works, I kind of don't, when I want other people to look at me and my family, I want them to think, oh, it's just a normal American family. | |
| Husband, a wife, and 2.5 kids. | |
| So would you have considered yourself straight then? | |
| If you were a woman, you were saying you wouldn't consider yourself gay. | |
| Yeah, I would say, like, I would say the younger me who started his transition would be considered straight. | |
| I attempted as best as I could to go with men, but I never had anything click, you know what I mean? | |
| That's a really interesting thing because I think I would never have really thought about that. | |
| Because now that you're saying you're getting older, that you'd rather be with women. | |
| So in the end, you still wanted a family. | |
| You wanted to have offspring. | |
| You wanted to reproduce. | |
| You wanted to be in this position. | |
| But of course, if you were becoming a woman, right, theoretically, you don't have ovaries. | |
| You don't have a uterus. | |
| You wouldn't be able to reproduce. | |
| So you were just going to maybe adopt or something like that? | |
| No, actually at the time, because I knew that was going to happen. | |
| Right. | |
| I was actually speaking with my doctor in regards to having my own biological children. | |
| So he was saying about fertilizing other women's eggs by, I can't remember what's surrogate? | |
| Yeah, there we go. | |
| Couldn't remember what it was called. | |
| So I would donate my sperm way before. | |
| Well, I would have to. | |
| What my doctor said at the time says I would have to stop my hormones for a while to make sure I have enough sperm. | |
| And then once I had enough and make sure they were fertile enough, I would then take it to somewhere to get it frozen. | |
| And then when the time was right, I wanted to have a child, we would find a surrogate, or I would find a surrogate. | |
| Can I ask you this then? | |
| Okay, so kind of moving into this position. | |
| So you went through this really traumatic experience. | |
| Obviously your dad was doing that, like trying to make you straight or whatever, right? | |
| Trying to get you saying, oh, he just hasn't, it's an idea. | |
| Probably, my son just hasn't been with a girl. | |
| I'm going to get him to sleep with a girl. | |
| All those prostitutes often are really nasty. | |
| So that's, I'm really sorry. | |
| That's really traumatic. | |
| And it really, really, I'm not sure. | |
| I'm not going to get into it. | |
| But they know this is traumatic. | |
| But then, of course, obviously going down the road, this doesn't work. | |
| This doesn't change anything per se. | |
| And you end up actually going a step further and getting partial gender reassignment surgery. | |
| How did you make the leap? | |
| Because I will get into this in a moment about what I call fake transgenders, people who don't look like they're transgender at all. | |
| They don't look like another gender. | |
| They just say they are. | |
| And Tifa, a riot group, commonly does this. | |
| They all say they're transgender and they don't look transgender. | |
| So that being said, what was going through your mind? | |
| And what happened to make you go into that to like to, I guess it's not permanent because you can have this reverse, but to go and have, you had breast surgery, right? | |
| I have breast implants right now. | |
| That's honestly what I'm trying to work on right now, which, as you said earlier, we do live in California. | |
| That's the funny part of which I kind of figured it's easy for me to transition from male to female as a biological man, but for me to go back from female to what I am biologically is like a million road steps. | |
| It's a million? | |
| Yeah, like, well, I'm over-exaggerating. | |
| No, I'm, I'm no, I'm. | |
| No, I know. | |
| I'm saying, but like, I get the exaggeration, meaning like it's a lot more steps you have to reverse. | |
| Yeah, and that's another thing that my, in regards to my therapist, he's, he's even had to tell me, like, everything we say here, everything that we are doing, it is of your free will. | |
| I am not the one who's forcing anything on you. | |
| Yeah, because you can't in California, it's illegal to try to do conversion therapy, right? | |
| That's what he's been saying, yeah. | |
| He says you want it, but he has to still give that presupposition to kind of disclaimer. | |
| Wow, it's really crazy. | |
| And he's probably going to have to write that in his letter for me. | |
| Right. | |
| So what it seems like in California to me, and I might be wrong here, is that there's a lot in place. | |
| I'm going to read you this article real fast. | |
| It comes from The Guardian. | |
| There's this person named Elon Anthony that knows more than absolutely anybody about trans identity issues. | |
| It says, it says, born a boy 42 years ago, he transitioned from male to female at 19, which is similar to yours, right? | |
| Then detransitioned to male three years ago. | |
| So this person is in a similar position. | |
| But he's quoted saying, I started to realize that it could have dealt with my own issues so much better without changing my body because that brought so many more difficulties. | |
| Detransitioning isn't as unusual as you'd expect, but it's underground for a number of reasons and the trans community isn't happy discussing this. | |
| So what he's saying, and maybe you agree to this, that there's, it seems that it's a very complicated thing to go backwards. | |
| There's not a lot of information out there. | |
| I couldn't find enough information. | |
| And it seems like, I mean, this is, I'm making the statistic up, but it seems like 99% of the trans information is about pushing people to transition, but nothing about trying to stop them, make them double check, double think, or, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of good information medically out there to help people who want to detransition. | |
| Have you experienced that? | |
| Yeah, actually what you were saying is true. | |
| It goes back to what I was saying with my first therapist who said I can transition literally the same day. | |
| She could get me the paperwork all in one day. | |
| Yeah, in regards to California and how the trans community is like, they want to push everyone to transition, but they don't want to figure out what's the underlining problem on why you want to transition because I personally feel like there has to be an issue on why somebody wants to transition. | |
| Obviously in my case, I did say it goes back to how I was raised as a young man. | |
| I wasn't really allowed to live life. | |
| I was more confined into whatever was near me, if that makes any sense. | |
| So for me, like I said, it was more for the attention, even though at the time, at 18, 19, I didn't want to admit that, even whether I'd known that or not. | |
| But yeah, even I've looked up information to try to detransition. | |
| It wasn't like it was near impossible to find anything. | |
| But to transition, oh, there's like millions of articles on why you should transition or what are like the good. | |
| They rarely even say anything bad. | |
| Now, one thing in regards to me, when I was transitioning, maybe it's because I was young and I did it young. | |
| I was actually lucky because I did pass what trans people would call passing as the opposite gender. | |
| So I would pass as a woman everywhere I would go. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know if you're, I'm not, this is not trying to be, you know, I'm obviously trying to detransition, but the upper surgery, the longer hair, these kinds of things, plus the hormones seem to have altered your voice. | |
| Did you always talk? | |
| Like, see, for me, like, I have a, I didn't have a hormone treatment, but I have, like, when I was younger, I was born with like a pretty bad lisp and a speech impediment, and I had to go through years of speech therapy, but I still can't get rid of my lisp. | |
| Like, it's still there a little bit. | |
| And the way I talk, I have a Cali girl accent. | |
| It's like, it's a little bit of the diva that's still left in me. | |
| It's probably all those impossible burgers when I was a teenager. | |
| But the point being is, I understand with voices, there's only so much that you can do to try to sound more like masculine. | |
| But the question is, is with therapy and going off of hormones, are you still kind of stuck with more of a feminine sounding voice? | |
| Or is that going to actually change? | |
| Honestly, I really don't know. | |
| When I first started hormones, obviously my voice wasn't that deep. | |
| Right now, I'm trying my best to keep it as deep as possible. | |
| But because I am legally still female under California and my jobs are have me as a woman, I have to switch between both a masculine voice and a feminine voice. | |
| Feminine only when I go to work or when I go out. | |
| It's tough. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So you're in the middle. | |
| You're in this middle. | |
| People don't talk about this. | |
| And that can have a lot of psychological stress on a person, too. | |
| But let me ask you this then. | |
| Do you think it was easier for you to come out publicly about transitioning or detransitioning? | |
| A million times easier to say I was transgender. | |
| A million times more easier. | |
| Very few people even know that I'm detransitioning. | |
| Or I guess if any of them are watching. | |
| Hi. | |
| Hi. | |
| It's like an international show on like multiple platforms. | |
| It's like, this is not just you. | |
| It's on Blaze TV as well. | |
| So it's like, any friends or family of mine who figure out who I am? | |
| Anyone know who I am? | |
| Anyone know who Avalo Garcia is? | |
| Okay, so that's an interesting point that you bring up. | |
| And I want to ask you this. | |
| Are you mentally ill? | |
| I've never been legally diagnosed with anything. | |
| Honestly, I wouldn't really know. | |
| Do you think you are, though? | |
| I would say probably. | |
| Like, or at least a disorder. | |
| Like, do you think it's a disorder? | |
| I mean, maybe not ill, but there's a little bit of a difference between having a disorder and being mentally ill because mentally ill comes with the idea that it can be fixed, right? | |
| There's an illness that you can treat. | |
| A disorder sometimes shows that without medication or something, you couldn't actually overcome it. | |
| So, you know, there's a lot of debate right now about whether or not they should move gender identity disorder and dysphoria from the DSM-5, right? | |
| The psychological book of diagnoses and medical conditions. | |
| And that debate is kind of coming up where trans people are saying, we're not mentally ill, we don't have a disorder. | |
| But I would say on the flip side, especially someone with a background in genetics, a background in biology, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not even a clinician, so I don't understand therapeutical diagnoses very well. | |
| But, you know, I think that being genuinely and legitimately trans is a mental disorder. | |
| I do. | |
| I think if you think you're disassociatively not born in the right gender, and while biologically you are that gender, that there's something that is an issue. | |
| And I think it would be really damning and detrimental to our society if we started to normalize this because I was reading about these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who are coming out now and saying they wish they hadn't transitioned. | |
| And even after they've transitioned, people that don't want to go back are saying there's doubts every day about whether or not that was the right treatment. | |
| Like, should they have gone through the full surgical treatment? | |
| Like, did it make them happier? | |
| A lot of patients, according to an article by The Sun, were saying that transitioning didn't make them happier. | |
| It didn't make them actually feel like that gender. | |
| Yeah, actually, I'm going to agree with you there in regards to the transitioning, or I'm sorry, with the transition from, for me personally, from male to female. | |
| I would say that this is from my perspective. | |
| I can't speak on everyone, but when I first started getting the hormones, appearing as a woman, makeup and everything, growing out my hair, it was more of a rush of euphoria, the best way I could explain it. | |
| And then obviously when it was over, that's when I would have more doubts. | |
| Like, oh, God, am I doing the right decision? | |
| That's when I would start questioning myself. | |
| Like I said earlier, the part where I actually finally realized that this was not the right decision was within a few months after I had top surgery. | |
| It does, for me, it was like a rush of euphoria. | |
| It was a, I don't know how to explain it. | |
| It's addicting. | |
| Sometimes I don't see much difference between women in Beverly Hills and transgenders, to be honest. | |
| They're all addicted to getting bigger titties and just... | |
| Is there a difference? | |
| No, that's why I don't think there really is because they get addicted to that too. | |
| They get that rush. | |
| They want the next procedure and the next thing done. | |
| And then they get insecure again and they end up going back for another procedure. | |
| And I don't, and a lot of them, I mean, this is like not even a, this is not even to be rude to transgenders or to these women, but a lot of them end up looking like they're transgender. | |
| Like, they do. | |
| Yeah, I will agree with you there. | |
| Like, have you ever seen the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? | |
| There's nothing real about them. | |
| I try not to watch stuff like that, in my opinion. | |
| In my opinion, I personally don't really like watching those types of shows. | |
| Well, I don't watch it. | |
| just know who they are no i i personally feel like i defend myself I swear I don't watch the real housewives of Beverly Hills, only Orange County. | |
| In my opinion, I feel like those shows are like garbage. | |
| They're a bunch of crap. | |
| No, no, you're absolutely right. | |
| So that being said, you know, do you consider yourself political? | |
| Yes and no. | |
| Yes, personally, but I try. | |
| Depends on the situation also. | |
| I try to keep my political views like depending on who I'm with. | |
| I'll be open about it. | |
| Or depending on who I am with, I'll keep them very minimal. | |
| Yeah, because, you know, you're the fourth trans person I know, which I can connect you with some that are a little more politically open-minded. | |
| Let's just say. | |
| I don't want to put words in your mouth of what your political standings are. | |
| It'd be very interesting. | |
| They're all on different ideas of what they consider themselves. | |
| But, you know, obviously you said you watch this show. | |
| Yes. | |
| So you have to be at least open to some right-wing ideas. | |
| I consider myself to be more of a centrist. | |
| I love conservatives. | |
| Always say I'm too liberal. | |
| Liberals always think I'm too conservative. | |
| I'm not a neoliberal. | |
| I just, I just, in my views, I hold a lot of conservative values, but I think that we can live in a society where there is religious and a religious. | |
| I don't think you can ever find the perfect balance, but I do think that the more we push conservative values and ideas, the better society becomes. | |
| And I believe in the strong family unit and in the right to bear arms and freedom of speech and this idea of preserving the Western culture. | |
| But at the same time, I voted for the legalization of marijuana in my state. | |
| I just don't, I believe in less regulation, these types of things. | |
| So that would be considered, I guess, a little more of a liberal leaning. | |
| But you mentioned that when you were deeper into this transition, you were more liberal. | |
| Yes. | |
| But you didn't say you've become conservative. | |
| Can you explain that journey? | |
| Well, it also goes back with my background. | |
| Like I said earlier, I'm Hispanic. | |
| My parents are Mexican. | |
| So Mexicans are very religious, family-oriented. | |
| So I would say then from a young age, I was conservative, but I guess in my teenage, I became a bit more liberal. | |
| I would say more as a rebellion. | |
| But then again, the more I look now, here's a funny part: I noticed in my family, and maybe it's like in every Hispanic family. | |
| They're traditionally conservative, but the way they vote are more liberal. | |
| Yeah, it is weird. | |
| Why are Hispanics are the most conservative people and they vote Democrat? | |
| That I don't know. | |
| They don't even use birth control and they vote for the party of abortion. | |
| I know. | |
| That's like that's one thing I've always wondered, like, why, like, and that's another thing that pushed me a bit more towards conservative, to be more conservative. | |
| So, that being said, you know, trans issues, these ideas are really hyper-partisan. | |
| In fact, a lot of the protests we go to, people have the signs that say trans rights are human rights. | |
| I'm sure you're familiar with that. | |
| And there's this big issue of let the trans identity come to the front. | |
| This is this cultural Marxism, right? | |
| This idea that trans people are now like the new vocal point. | |
| But if you were disabled and black, you'd have a little more of a ability to speak. | |
| But why do you think that trans issues have become political instead of remaining medical, which is what they actually are? | |
| Honestly, I feel like they were originally medical. | |
| And this is just coming from my perspective, a 22-year-old young man. | |
| But I say within the last couple of years, it has become more political. | |
| Mostly in the way that I can explain it, it's been hijacked by the Democratic Party to make so they can have the best way, like I said, the best way I could explain it is that the Liberal Party, i.e., the Democratic Party, want to get everyone on their side. | |
| So they hijack the transgender issue and say, oh, if you vote for us, we'll give you whatever you want. | |
| You want top surgery? | |
| We'll give it to you. | |
| You want bottom surgery? | |
| We'll give it to you. | |
| You want whatever surgery you want, i.e., like how California is. | |
| For me, I actually that's gonna. | |
| I'm gonna, with my transition, I'm gonna actually kind of maneuver into that a little bit. | |
| That's fine, yeah. | |
| When I would transition, I was able to get top surgery and hormones and any other medication I needed for free. | |
| I didn't have to pay out of pocket, which at the time I thought that's a great thing. | |
| Don't tell the real housewives. | |
| Before you know it, season 42 is going to be called The Real Trans Wives of Orange County. | |
| They're going to just be trans season 45, maybe double Fs. | |
| We got to go bigger, bigger, better. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | |
| I mean, they pay 60 grand for their surgeries, and you get it for free. | |
| So you got breast implants for free. | |
| Yes, and all my men. | |
| All my flat-chested girls out there, you know how to claim the government, just move to California. | |
| Yeah, move to California. | |
| Say you're a biological male and say you want to transition to female. | |
| There, you get bigger tips. | |
| That's really messed up, but that is true. | |
| People could do that, right? | |
| Yeah. | |
| I'm pretty sure that's what they can do. | |
| See, some of your friends are, some of your female friends that are flat-chested, if they want beer tits, I don't really need these. | |
| Renta, second-hand, second-hand boobs. | |
| The show's over. | |
| I canceled my own show. | |
| I've canceled this show. | |
| I feel like I'm the one who just canceled. | |
| Yeah, I was like, well, whenever you just know, you should probably stop recording our own show. | |
| It's like probably a good moment in the recording. | |
| For those who made it this far, that's pretty good. | |
| So you got it for free. | |
| And so that's what I wanted to say then. | |
| That leads a lot of open room to abuse of the trans thing. | |
| If there's not this clear criteria, and I always tell people that, I don't know if you're familiar, I used to call myself a gay black woman. | |
| I loved when you did that. | |
| Yeah, I did that anyway. | |
| There was this one trans person in Seattle, part of Antifa, who was like, oh, you're making fun of trans people. | |
| I said, no, I'm making a political statement. | |
| But that doesn't make me a fascist. | |
| That's a fascinating reality. | |
| That doesn't make me a fascist because I don't believe any fascist ideals. | |
| I literally just hear. | |
| Do you ever deal with the non-binary thing and why you identify as that and why you think it's a joke? | |
| I don't think it's a joke. | |
| You said it's a joke. | |
| Well, I never said that. | |
| I don't think it's a joke. | |
| I don't think it's funny. | |
| I'm non-binary as a lesbian black woman and you thought that was very funny. | |
| No, I didn't think that was funny. | |
| I just thought that it was an interesting statement, a political statement. | |
| You think that me being a man is just a political statement? | |
| Are you woman to man, man-to-woman? | |
| I'm not a man. | |
| Okay, well, I was just wondering when you say that, it's kind of sometimes it gets people say different things. | |
| So I'm just asking you, you're a man now. | |
| You're a trans man. | |
| I'm a man. | |
| Okay, fine. | |
| You're a man. | |
| So what's your question? | |
| Why do you think this is a joke? | |
| I don't think you're a joke. | |
| No, I think that you think that the entire thing of identifying is... | |
| You seem to be going out of your way to the balance. | |
| No, I actually did my college thesis on gender dysphoria and gender identity disorder, and it's actually a legitimate thing. | |
| So. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| Okay, tell me more. | |
| I've never heard of gender dysphoria. | |
| Well, I'm not going to do that when you're trying to probe me and ask me, not in a serious and legitimate way, but just because you're saying, tell me more. | |
| When you're trans, when you're trans and your background science, well, somebody called my name out and we was having a conversation with a gentleman here. | |
| It was actually a great conversation. | |
| What's your scientific take on gender dysphoria? | |
| What's my science? | |
| I think it's like the DSM take the SM5 stance. | |
| I think it's an identity disorder, and that's what I believe it is. | |
| It's a psychological disorder that real people. | |
| So that's a way that you can legitimize telling people that they're f ⁇ ing subhuman. | |
| I didn't say you're subhuman. | |
| Subhuman would mean they don't have value. | |
| That's exactly the message you're getting. | |
| If someone's depressed, does that make them subhuman? | |
| You're trying to f ⁇ ing insinuate. | |
| Hold up. | |
| Hold up. | |
| Well, I don't believe that. | |
| So if you're trying to put words in my mouth, I'm having a normal conversation with you. | |
| I'm not saying that. | |
| I don't think people who are depressed are subhuman. | |
| I don't think anybody, I mean, I've suffered with depression. | |
| Does that mean me subhuman? | |
| No, no, but that's the thing. | |
| It's like his identity as a man. | |
| What you're saying is that's a disorder. | |
| No. | |
| I said there's a disorder that leads to that, and that's a legal thing that he's taken. | |
| And that's a legal thing. | |
| And I'm telling you that that is a science. | |
| Hold on. | |
| People always wonder, like, even why I'm careful of pronouns and stuff. | |
| They don't realize that there's laws in California. | |
| By the way, there are laws in California. | |
| Not only can YouTube hit me for this because of their own terms of service, but if you misgender someone on purpose, you can actually be charged with a crime. | |
| Now, here's the key thing is that I'm not saying that everyone should give into this LGBTQ BS that's trying to push you. | |
| But as a content creator, I have to be really careful because people are already trying to delete my channel all the time. | |
| And they're trying to take down my videos and mass report me. | |
| So I am careful in how I talk about issues, especially to follow the law. | |
| And in California, we do have gendering laws, which is really, really alarming that it is more illegal to misgender someone in the state of California than to infect them with HIV. | |
| So that's interesting overall, but kind of moving on to that. | |
| So, I don't want to call them fake trans people because it's illegal in California to do. | |
| But Blair White, a trans activist, calls them fake trans people like Jessica Yaniv. | |
| People like there's a famous Antifa doxer that has blue hair. | |
| These people basically claim to be trans. | |
| And there's a lot of people out there that say they're trans. | |
| But the criteria, you go, well, where's the evidence and the proof other than you just saying so? | |
| Yeah, now that's such another thing that I'm glad you brought up that now. | |
| The fact that, like I said, I'm in the process of detransitioning, that I've gotten older, more matured. | |
| That's one thing I don't understand. | |
| Like, what is the actual criteria? | |
| I don't, like, from what I was told back when I was transitioned, they used something called WPath as a criteria. | |
| But I should have looked into that when I was younger, and I should have looked before coming onto here. | |
| But maybe this is just in my area, the city I live in, and a therapist that I have gone to. | |
| But like I said earlier, like they only take your word, and day one, you can have your letter and everything to transition. | |
| So it's just, yeah, so it's like, it's just basically you claim. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And that's why, but that's why, and that's why I'm sure you don't find it disrespectful. | |
| That's why when I say I'm a gay black woman, I'm just saying, who are you to tell me not? | |
| I know. | |
| You know, like, that's, that's the whole craziness of how silly it's gotten in our culture. | |
| It's like, who are you to tell me I'm not trans? | |
| Not to make light of people who go through real mental stress and things, but just like, look, if I want to be, if I want to decide that I'm a trans person, I can say it. | |
| And if we're going to take this issue seriously and we're going to really think that there are trans people, then it should be very strict. | |
| You know what I mean? | |
| Like it's like marriage. | |
| It's like, if we're going to take marriage seriously, there should be strict criteria for what it means to be married. | |
| And there is. | |
| You have a license in this, and you have to have evidence and proof, and it's very clear. | |
| And that's why, even when you're like, my wife, she's from Australia. | |
| And so when we're like, there's a huge thing in the beginning with trying to make sure there's no marriage fraud, you know, where you have to really prove to the government, like, we are a genuine marriage. | |
| Even like, she's not using me for a green card, at least I'm hoping. | |
| Well, let's hope. | |
| Yeah. | |
| We have a great wife. | |
| That's what I will say. | |
| She's very beautiful. | |
| 10 out of 10. | |
| 10 out of 10. | |
| Yeah. | |
| 10 out of 10. | |
| No, 11 out of 10. | |
| You're right. | |
| Since we're living in a living. | |
| 10 out of 10. | |
| Yeah, in the liberal world where we just make things up. | |
| Actually, at the last protest I was at, the Antifa tagged one plus one equals three all over the place, which is like a total 1984 moment. | |
| But I'm not going to get to that. | |
| Those of you that follow my Antifa stuff, crazy. | |
| I think I did see this. | |
| Yeah, this is one plus one equals three. | |
| Really weird. | |
| I think from 1984 is two plus two equals five. | |
| But still, they're in another world. | |
| But what do we do about fake trans people? | |
| What are your thoughts on Jessica Yaniv and fake people like this? | |
| Oh, God, please don't involve Jessica. | |
| I hate that individual. | |
| Just from all the videos I've seen, I think I'd rather eat some lead than listen to another second. | |
| Actually, the funny thing is, I think it was like within the last few days when you uploaded that video, I was eating my lunch, and then I said, oh, Elijah just uploaded a video. | |
| I'll probably watch it. | |
| And then I didn't notice what you were talking. | |
| I only read Jessica Yaniv. | |
| My younger brother was in the living room when I was doing that and I was eating. | |
| I think you got into some graphic information. | |
| Nope. | |
| I closed that video. | |
| My little brother said, What was that? | |
| I said, You're too young to hear that. | |
| I swear to God, you will not listen to that. | |
| Yanise's nuts are more famous than the show at this point. | |
| You almost made me toss out my lunch that day. | |
| Thank you for that. | |
| Blonde hairy balls. | |
| Oh, God. | |
| Oh, man. | |
| Oh, they have their own personality. | |
| Okay. | |
| Well, anyway, in that notice, that's enough being said. | |
| I, you know, just due to timing, want to wrap up our interview and just, you know, really say a big thank you from myself, the team, and also from Blaze for getting your story out there because more importantly than people coming out against trans issues or coming out for is to talk to people that are in the middle of these things, people who have gone through moments where they've been radicalized or they've gone to the extreme lengths to put their ideology into action, as you did, and then realize that they wanted to reverse. | |
| And so to kind of close it out, to those that are watching, I don't know if there's that many people suffering with trans issues that watch my show, but there are people that have family members, people thinking about this. | |
| It's actually, I think it's becoming a fad. | |
| What's your closing advice that you would say to young people who are considering going through a transition and actually taking those steps to go hormonally? | |
| And what advice would you give them? | |
| And this also can be advice for people like, yeah, who have friends like that that might want to share this with them to help them to make a better decision. | |
| Well, in regards to advice, the best way I can put it for me personally, it didn't work out for me. | |
| In regards to friends, or mostly parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, who have a relative who is trans, my best thing would say is honestly, I would say just try to help them as best as you can. | |
| Depending on where you live, California, you can't say, oh, you're not trans. | |
| You can't go do that. | |
| In my situation, this is honestly the worst thing that you can do: just let them do it. | |
| Like in my situation, and just let time take its toll. | |
| Because if they're not really trans and they will figure out, time will be like, hey, wake up. | |
| You're not, this isn't for you. | |
| So that's the best and worst advice I can give to. | |
| Like, I know you wanted good advice, but this is a sticky situation. | |
| I know, like, especially, as you say, we are in California. | |
| It's hard to say things when you know you can get prosecuted for saying them. | |
| It's really, really, really, really end-of-the-world kind of crazy stuff. | |
| Yeah, in California, sadly, the only thing you could do is let them transition. | |
| But I will recommend do not allow them, especially if it's your son, grandson, nephew, do not let them get the bottom surgery. | |
| Because if they do go through that and eventually they do figure out that wasn't the path for them, there's not much you can do once it's gone. | |
| Yeah, awesome. | |
| Hey, anyways, Abel, thank you for having me on your show. | |
| I'm really, really grateful. | |
| Thank you so much again. | |
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