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Nov. 22, 2019 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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The Homeless Poop Wars of LA | Ep 34

Guests, Austen Fletcher of Fleccas Talks and Jamie Joseph of Scriberr News, join me in the studio for some crazy topics. The homeless are weaponizing their diarrhea, and it’s as disgusting as it sounds. Liberty Hangout is canceled for trying to confront Michael Knowles, vegans are suing Burger King, and the ACLU wants you to know that men get pregnant too. ________________________________________________________________ Don't miss out! Get those pet stains and odors out of your house for good! It can also be used on laundry and all sorts of other materials and surfaces! Get Genesis 950 direct at https://genesis950.com, you will receive a free spray bottle and DISCOUNT using code "BLAZE" ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ Download the FULL 1 Hour Audio Podcast FREE Here Every Week⇩ iTUNES: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slightly-offens-ve-uncut/id1450057169 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/7jbVobnHs7q8pSRCtPmC41?si=iwqsjNOhQGGYgQE8_1bfjg GOOGLE: Search "Slightly Offens*ve With Elijah Schaffer" ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ Get the FULL 1 Hour Video Podcast Every Week on Blaze TV ⇩ Go to https://get.blazetv.com and use promo code "ELIJAH" to get $10 off a year subscription to all the great shows on Blaze Media, including this one! _______________________________________________________________ ⇩ BOOKINGS & INQUIRIES ⇩ ➤ EMAIL: ELIJAH@SLIGHTLYOFFENSIVE.COM _________________________________________________________________ ⇩ SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS ⇩ ➤ INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/elijahschaffer/ https://www.instagram.com/officialslightlyoffensive/ ➤ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/officialslightlyoffensive ______________________________________________________________________________________ ⇩ OTHER WAYS TO SUPPORT SLIGHTLY OFFENS*VE ⇩ ➤ MERCHANDISE: http://slightlyoffensive.com Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BR8FNX78mo Uploader: Slightly Offens*ve

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unidentified
A homeless man dumped a bucket of stuff on your head.
A bucket of his diarrhea.
I didn't want it to be in my mouth, but it was running down my eyes.
elijah schaffer
Welcome back to Slightly Offensive with your favorite gay black woman.
Today we have some interesting stories on the table.
Number one, the homeless people are dumping their diarrhea on the heads of citizens, and citizens and the homeless are fighting each other on the streets of Los Angeles.
It's crazy.
We're also going to talk about how Caitlin Bennett or the Kent State gun girl got canceled by Yaff and Michael Knowles and what are we doing about it, as well as something absolutely crazy.
You wouldn't believe this.
Vegans are doing insane stuff and they're actually suing Burger King of all places.
that and a much more coming up all right today we have two wonderful guests today we We have Jamie, your last name is Joseph.
unidentified
Yeah, Joseph.
elijah schaffer
Gerard Joseph?
What do you mean?
What is your actual last name?
Is it hyphenated?
unidentified
It's Roebuck Joseph.
elijah schaffer
Well, it says Gerard Joseph when you call people.
You called me and it said Gerard Joseph's calling.
I thought it was going to be a man.
You got that sign.
And what's your address?
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, what's your phone number?
No, but so you're the editor-in-chief of Scriber News, which is a new emerging platform.
News, explain what it is.
unidentified
I don't know.
Yeah, so it's non-partisan news.
And I guess what makes us different is we have the bias technology meter at the bottom of each article.
So readers can rate what they thought, like the bias of the author.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so it's basically because you always know there's bias, but they can see if it's liberal or conservative bias.
unidentified
It's just to keep us like more accountable on the editorial side of things, be more honest.
elijah schaffer
But is anyone checking to see if people are trolling the articles?
unidentified
Yeah, so sometimes they do.
Like some people who are clearly more right-leaning, like it'll just be like left-leaning for some reason.
So we're going to try and integrate some sort of like fairness, like, you know, have a scriber judgment as well as like the reader.
Cool.
Well, that's new.
All right.
Awesome.
elijah schaffer
Well, welcome to the show.
We also have Austin Fletcher.
You guys probably mostly know him, host of FleckasTalks.
Welcome.
austen fleccas fletcher
Hi, Elijah.
Thanks for having me on.
Always good to see you.
Nice to be here again.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
So, okay, so first of all, we got some crazy stuff going on today.
Like I said, we have absolutely weird stories.
It never gets old, by the way, in America.
But first, I want to give a quick word from our sponsors.
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austen fleccas fletcher
It's a cricket sweater.
elijah schaffer
Okay, it's a cricket sweater.
Sorry, I'm not that lame.
But the reality is, is that we get oil stains on our clothes.
We get pet stains.
Maybe even too.
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It's not just the animal that ends up marking the carpet.
But, you know, things happen.
austen fleccas fletcher
Imagine having a kid.
They spill all the time.
elijah schaffer
They're just on the floor.
When I was a kid, I remember I was sick and I got up and I just pooped in the hallway.
austen fleccas fletcher
Wow.
unidentified
Well, you're not homeless.
elijah schaffer
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Anyway, let's get into the story for today.
So today, I know, I know.
Have you been on a show with ads before?
austen fleccas fletcher
No, I'm just saying, like, if you are like me and you have a lot of stuff piled up of like an oil stain here, a permanent stain here, like a ruined shirt here, you should just get that stuff and put it on everything.
You're back to back to square one.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, exactly.
It actually does work on everything except for your heart.
austen fleccas fletcher
I'm not being paid to say that.
That just sounds like a good thing to get.
elijah schaffer
It won't fix a broken marriage either, but other than that, it can fix a lot.
So today's story, by the way, is this new segment called, What the Hell, America?
Because there's a lot of that going on.
And before we get into that, I just want to let you know that right now in Los Angeles, the attacks from homeless on people are becoming an epidemic.
And people are actually getting scared to walk on public roads because of homeless people.
And you, we've talked about this before.
austen fleccas fletcher
Oh, yeah.
I've been trying to distance myself from the poop stuff, but here we are again.
elijah schaffer
Can't avoid it.
austen fleccas fletcher
Can't avoid it.
Elijah and I were one time coming to the studio and a group of elderly women, like probably 50s and 60s, were like, oh, we're big fans of you guys.
Elijah, you're doing such good work with slightly offensive.
Fleck you and the poop stuff.
And I was like, oh man, I need to kind of like recalibrate a little bit.
But hey, here we are.
If that's what I'm here to talk about, let's talk about it.
elijah schaffer
All right, so we're going to play a clip.
I'm warning you for if you're a young child or if you're just a normal person who lives in a civilized world, this may be graphic.
unidentified
Very disgusting.
A homeless man dumped a bucket of stuff on your head.
A bucket of his diarrhea.
I didn't want it to be in my mouth, but it was running down my eyes.
For over a year, the NBC 4I team has been tracking crimes where the suspects are homeless.
Tonight we have learned those incidents are skyrocketing.
Investigative reporter Joel Grover reports on the growing threat linked to the untreated mental illness and drug addiction on LA's streets of shame.
Keep your eye on the woman walking out of this apartment building.
A homeless man approaches and suddenly smacks her in the head.
There are now thousands of crimes a year like this one in which the suspects are homeless and in many cases suffering from mental illness or substance abuse.
It's so traumatic.
Heidi Van Tassel was walking to her car near Hollywood's Walk of Fame when, according to police and court records, a transient with schizophrenia and psychotic disorders dumped feces all over her.
A bucket of his diarrhea.
It was liquid, hot liquid.
I was soaked and I couldn't see it was coming off of my eyelashes into my eyes.
Paramedics rushed her to the hospital and she now needs to be tested for infectious diseases every three months.
That's something I will ever forget.
It was, I mean, it was disgusting.
elijah schaffer
It was awful.
unidentified
And it changed my life.
Heidi Van Tassel says she's experiencing PTSD from that attack seven months ago.
It's changed the way I feel walking on the street.
elijah schaffer
Okay, well, why is it that most of our shows end up just being about poop?
austen fleccas fletcher
I think it's because we live in LA.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, here's what's really crazy is they were saying that nobody who lives in these situations, meaning just normal situations in LA, nobody who lives here can really be healthy.
As in us, which is saying something.
austen fleccas fletcher
That's why I look like this.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
No, but really, so I want to get into this.
So first of all, you know, this is not just a problem, right?
Poop on the head.
This is disgusting.
You're a girl.
You walk around.
Do you feel safe on the streets?
unidentified
Not in Los Angeles, no, especially in Hollywood, because you can see them all on the sidewalks.
You can see piss and poop just like on the sides of buildings.
Just like, yeah, it's gross.
elijah schaffer
Well, and do you even feel good?
Because you actually dress nicely.
You take time to get ready.
Don't you feel dirty when you just walk on the streets?
Like, isn't it just disgusting?
unidentified
It's gross.
I take a shower right when I get home.
elijah schaffer
Ugh, yeah, but you don't live.
You live out in what, Temecula or Desert?
unidentified
I live like a little bit later.
elijah schaffer
All right, so I want to get into this.
So by the way, this whole idea of the homeless attacking people is becoming such a big problem that a recent article from the LA Times came out.
This is a title, by the way.
This is not from a third world country.
It's called Firecrackers, Moltov Cocktails, Fire Attacks Have Shaken LA's homeless community.
And it says that the acts have involved homeless on homeless violence, as well as targeted attacks from outsiders, leaving some activists concerned that frustration with the city's growing homeless population has reached a violent tipping point.
There were 2,500 fires involving the homeless community throughout Los Angeles.
Okay, I'm sorry.
unidentified
I keep laughing at this stuff because it's like, you can't believe it, right?
austen fleccas fletcher
It's like a Mad Max world that we live in.
elijah schaffer
It's like, you're like, you're reading this, like, seriously.
I read this as if, like, this is not a joke.
Double the number of the city saw in 2017.
So it's getting worse, said Captain Patrick Leonard of Los Angeles Fire Department's arson and counterterrorism section.
So we have counter-terrorists actually on employment trying to stop homeless violence.
Like we have counter-terrorist units.
In other places, New York, it's like Muslims and things like that.
But here we're focused on the actual homeless.
austen fleccas fletcher
They're trying to figure out the motive and like have like the strings on the board, like trying to figure out why did they do it.
And it's like, ah, it's pretty random and it's a lot of mental illness.
elijah schaffer
And the crown poop on her head?
No.
austen fleccas fletcher
Why today?
What time did it happen?
1043, 1043, 3401.
elijah schaffer
But as we said, there's already been 2,320 such incidents in Los Angeles, meaning figure is on pace to rise for the second year.
So we've doubled it.
The numbers include arson as well as accidental fires.
The fires add another dangerous challenge to those living in the streets, in addition to the obvious risk of injury.
Through the first six months of 2019, violent crimes targeting homeless victims have jumped 34%, which is what brings me to the discussion.
People are getting so tired of the homeless problem, they're literally beginning to turn on them and become violent towards them.
What do you think about that?
unidentified
I want to go back really quick because you said this is not a third world country.
Just to bring in some like personal experience, my family's from Trinidad, which is a third world country.
And they have a population of 1.3 million.
They're the size of LA.
And they only have about 400 homeless people.
And that's a country with a deep level of corruption.
And they can take care of their homeless people better than California is.
elijah schaffer
And it is, but it's not even just a problem.
It's like you don't see the government doing anything.
Don't you, like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, people are attacking these people.
They're lighting their encampments on fire.
They're throwing, like, I think early in the article, it talks about a homeless man woke up because someone threw a firecracker and blew up his tent or whatever.
It's like the people are seeing the government is not taking care of these people.
The homeless people are attacking us.
And so people are just starting to, like, they're going to, I think they're going to just like start killing people.
Like, I think there's probably a serial killer out on the streets of LA murdering hundreds of these people.
austen fleccas fletcher
For sure.
And my tip would be, if you come to LA, if you come to California, this is kind of how I lived.
I used to live in Skid Row area, so I know how to go about it.
Assume everyone coming towards you or walking behind you or crossing the street next to you is going to try to dump diarrhea on you.
That's what you have to do.
unidentified
And that's how I've lived my life.
elijah schaffer
I was on the risk trying to stab me.
austen fleccas fletcher
I mean, one time I stepped in human poop, and that was like that lady said, like, oh, I think about it every day.
It changed my life forever.
Like, that happened to me from stepping in it.
What happened to her is like.
elijah schaffer
Well, she has to get tested for HIV and like hepatitis every month.
I mean, I helped a guy.
I had a podcast on this previously, but I had helped a guy to get some food.
He like shook my hand and stuff like that.
He told me he had MRSA, hepatitis, and HIV.
And I had to go get tested for infection just for buying a guy Panda Express.
Like you can try to do it.
Like just to be a Christian here, you risk contracting HIV to buy someone some orange chicken.
austen fleccas fletcher
Every three months.
unidentified
Did you throw out those shoes?
austen fleccas fletcher
Oh, yeah.
elijah schaffer
And they're like, I'm wearing them now.
It puts them up on the desk.
Yeah, okay.
And so this brings it up, though.
This is not a joke.
Because there's another article from USA Today that says, as homeless are suffering, risk of hepatitis, typhus, and other diseases growing.
And I read you, this is really remarkable.
This is the Center for Disease Control and Prevention said Americans with typhoid fever are usually infected abroad.
Like probably places like Trinidad and stuff.
But in Los Angeles.
This is what you always see in America.
It's like, here's the state of America, but in LA.
There's always a butt when it comes to Los Angeles.
A police department employee assigned to the city's traditional homeless epicenter as the place of infection of bacteria in downtown LA, the head of business improvement district sobbed.
So the department, the head of the business department, a government official, was crying in this interview as she talked about the issue and government inaction.
She said, it's a disgrace.
We are not doing anything to alleviate a human tragedy, said Estella Lopez, executive director of the Central City East Association, which hires cleanup crews.
Every day she said the challenges stack up.
It is trash.
It is rats.
It is unchecked garbage.
People using buckets for bathrooms.
It's a threat to public health.
She said her crews pick up five to seven tons of waste a day in the city and they don't even scratch the surface.
Damn.
austen fleccas fletcher
Wow.
elijah schaffer
Do we have anything to say about that?
Is there anything to say?
unidentified
Well, I mean, they used to have like containment areas in the 70s and they had like public bathrooms and things like that.
But then they got rid of them because they were finding people doing like prostitution and like selling drugs out of them.
So it's like, how do we find a solution then?
Because whenever you go talk to these homeless people, they're like, we need more bathroom stalls.
We need more showers.
But it's like they had that and then they got rid of it.
elijah schaffer
What about insane asylums?
What happened to those?
austen fleccas fletcher
We should open insane asylums again.
unidentified
That's what they do in Trinidad.
They check them into psychiatric homes.
elijah schaffer
But yeah, but you have to, like, I feel like the gray line with that is that people go, well, then you can start like kind of the red flag laws, like locking people up who shouldn't be there.
But I think there should just be like a warning system.
Like, hey, if you, like, it's not like, it's not like, hey, if you're like yelling at the sky.
It's like, if you light chairs on fire again in a restaurant.
That's where we're at.
austen fleccas fletcher
Like if you throw another bucket of poop on someone's head, you're not any buckets of poop until you're sent away.
elijah schaffer
Right, that's what I'm saying.
It's got to be like a thing.
It's like, hey, man, so like you stabbed someone.
austen fleccas fletcher
It has to be one, right?
elijah schaffer
It's sad we've gotten to that point, though, where it's like, we're not talking about just locking people up who are like a little bit schizo.
We're talking about people who are like just assaulting human beings.
If you hit that woman, you'd be in jail for 15 years.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah.
That guy got hit and his dog didn't do anything.
That was so embarrassing for him on TV.
It's like, oh yeah, here's me getting hit.
And then there's my dog.
elijah schaffer
Bad boy doesn't deserve treats.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, he's not going to the house.
elijah schaffer
It's true.
And that's the state of it.
And honestly, guys, I'm telling you.
So if you want to move to LA, you can get poop thrown on your head, which is why we moved the studio out of central LA and into the suburbs.
But still, still, I've mentioned this.
I mean, the building next door is completely closed down.
We've had two homeless people die next door in the last year alone.
I mean, it's not exactly a good area.
Like, this is considered a better area of LA.
And it's, I mean, it's still not the best.
It's not good.
It's disgusting.
Someone tried to kidnap my wife, actually.
Do you know about that?
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Someone tried to kidnap her.
So she was walking at night.
This is not a joke.
She was walking at night.
And a guy in a white van circled like six or seven times.
And then she called me as he was circling this saying, come out, you got to come find me.
So while I'm running out, he's already pulling over next to her in the white van while no one's around.
austen fleccas fletcher
You're like Liam Neeson and you're like.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I shot him.
No, I'm just kidding.
And I'm running up and he sees me and he zooms away.
Like he literally, she just went to go on a walk and a guy tried to kidnap her.
It's like a movie, but it's not a joke.
And this is a good part of LA.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, and then rents over like $2,000.
And you get kidnapped on the street and there's dump everywhere.
People not only use their dump on the ground.
They're trying to pour dump on you.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, he's like, you have to worry about dump and kidnapping.
She was crying that whole night.
It was very scarring.
But it was funny because the next day we just got over it.
She's like, oh, don't worry.
It was just like, it was just an almost kidnapping.
Like, at least someone didn't pour HIV-infected dump on your head.
unidentified
Absolutely.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, you have to get tested every three months.
Tested every three months.
Imagine like encroaching in someone's life like that.
Every three months, you have to get tested now.
unidentified
Well, it's in LA.
austen fleccas fletcher
I'm just going to mail, dude.
elijah schaffer
Welcome to the liberal utopia.
All right, our next segment is called, I can't do it.
We're just calling it.
austen fleccas fletcher
It's called, I can't do it.
elijah schaffer
No, it's called, my voice is messy.
austen fleccas fletcher
Come on, do it.
elijah schaffer
You know, when liberals freak out about everything?
You know, we're going to get into that.
And then we're also going to get into canceled as well with Caitlin Bennett.
These are going to be a really good segment.
So let's jump first into Caitlin Bennett on this series of Canceled, where we're going to look at people who have been canceled, shut down, and silenced on the left and the right.
This is going to be really, really awesome.
And I got to talk about this.
This is controversial.
So Caitlin Bennett, of course, is somebody who was kicked out of Turning Point USA, a nonprofit conservative group, for basically putting up a no-safe space event where they wore diapers.
Were you familiar with that one?
Do you remember that?
Where they put on diapers on college campus?
And they wore diapers and pretended to be liberals and they just got kicked out kind of for wearing diapers.
unidentified
I did not hear about that.
austen fleccas fletcher
With the conservatives, made fun of liberals and wore diapers?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, it's like they made like a fake safe space and they had like toys and like pacifiers on the college.
austen fleccas fletcher
And they put diapers on?
unidentified
Yeah.
austen fleccas fletcher
Oh, okay.
It took it far.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, I think there was more to the story.
There was more to the story.
Originally, Charlie was in support or something, and then there was some drama, and then they got kicked out.
But I know that because of that, there's always been a little bit of rift between Caitlin and Turning Point for a variety of reasons.
People have these kind of rifts.
So what happens basically is Michelle Malkin, who was a network speaker for YAF.
She's also a previous employee of CR-TV.
She was fired for not disavowing Nicholas J. Fuentes.
And basically, people are, they were saying, you know, since you won't disavow him, you're fired because of her speech.
So then Caitlin Bennett goes to Michael Knowles' speech, who's currently one of the speakers for YAF, another nonprofit, and tries to ask him if he'll stand up for her getting fired and this happens.
kaitlin bennett
I wanted to ask you a question.
I think it was you.
unidentified
We're not allowed to talk.
We're not allowed to talk on behalf of YAF.
kaitlin bennett
But you were the one telling, no, that's Caitlin Bennett.
Don't.
unidentified
No.
It was a misunderstanding.
I promise.
kaitlin bennett
Can you explain that?
elijah schaffer
It was a misunderstanding.
unidentified
I was just telling her that that was who you were.
kaitlin bennett
Then why were you doing the like no?
unidentified
I'm sorry.
We're not allowed to talk.
I'm sorry.
kaitlin bennett
Why aren't you allowed to talk to me if you don't want me to ask you?
Because we don't know you don't want me.
Yes, you do.
Yes, you do.
Then why did you give that no symbol?
unidentified
I can't remember doing that, but if I did, that was honestly, I promise it was not anything about you.
I was just, she didn't recognize you or know you, so I wanted to let her know that that was you.
kaitlin bennett
Come on, guys.
unidentified
You were wondering about that.
kaitlin bennett
Guys, come on.
unidentified
I really promise.
kaitlin bennett
Come on.
Be honest with me.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
I'm putting an end to this.
Our police officers right there, and I need a curve.
kaitlin bennett
This is our public campus.
I know.
What are you talking about?
You sat there and you're like, that's Caitlin Bennett, and you said no.
You guys are conservatives.
You guys want to work for a conservative organization, but you won't let other conservatives ask the question?
unidentified
I honestly, I promise it was not.
kaitlin bennett
Then why don't you come and explain it to me so I know?
unidentified
I'm not really supposed to talk about it, I don't think.
kaitlin bennett
You don't allow to talk about why you said no?
unidentified
I didn't.
I just said it was not about you.
It was really a misunderstanding.
kaitlin bennett
Then come explain it to me.
So they're getting the cops.
I would just like to know.
If you could just explain it to me, then that would be great.
unidentified
It was just that she didn't know people were ever going to come to the city.
kaitlin bennett
think that's true yeah what are what are the cops gonna do I'm in a public building, a public campus, just trying to ask some questions.
There again, conservatives trying to use the state to come in and silence people they don't like.
There they go.
This is conservative ink.
These are the people who are telling you what to think, what you must believe in, what you can't speak out in support of.
You must disavow certain things.
This is who they are.
They run to the police when you want to call them out on something.
We're waiting for Michael Knowles.
We want to ask him if he'll stand up for Michelle Malkin, his colleague at YAF, who got left out to dry because she refused to disavow people that Conservative Inc. wanted her to disavow.
She said, I'm not going to do it.
You can't tell me what to do.
I don't see really anything that these people should be disavowed.
elijah schaffer
All right, so let's start with you, Jamie.
Obviously, this is an interesting situation.
People that are unfamiliar with it, they can Google it.
They can look up what's going on here, internal fighting on the right.
But Michelle Malcolm was fired, whatever, for this very reason.
She was going to ask some questions.
Do you feel like Caitlin was justified in the situation?
Do you think Gaff was justified?
What's your thoughts?
unidentified
Okay, I was actually going to ask you to kind of explain it because I was a little.
elijah schaffer
Well, she was trying to ask Michael Knowles.
She was trying to get in to ask Michael Knowles the simple question or to get in to ask them questions of why if they would disavow her getting fired for that.
And basically they ended up just kind of like they were giving like hand signals and stuff like that.
I looked in for comment and like saying don't talk to Caitlin Bennett, who, by the way, has nothing to do with this America First movement or Conservative Inc.
She does her own, she does her own thing.
She's not even directly involved in any of this infighting kind of stuff, but she just does what she always does.
She just confronts people and tries to ask them.
They acted really scared.
It was very awkward.
They were like inching away towards like the police officers.
No matter where you stand on this, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, they definitely were keeping her out.
And I'm just saying, is she justified in trying to ask this question?
Were they justified?
What do you think about the situation?
unidentified
Yeah, I think she's justified to go into an event and ask a public figure a question.
Like, I don't see a reason why they were trying to keep her out.
So I don't know.
That's just me personally.
I don't know.
elijah schaffer
But do you feel like, do you feel like, because the point is, the arguments that's being made is that people are like gatekeeping anybody who doesn't follow the mainstream conservative ideology.
Like they're basically like militantly keeping and blocking people from being a part of the conversation.
That's kind of what I think she's trying to convey.
It's like because she doesn't fall in line with directly what this group, which I don't know, who the hell came up with Conservative Inc.?
Where did that come from?
austen fleccas fletcher
I think it came from the Nick Fuentes Groiper Conservative Inc. dissident right or whatever the two were.
But I mean, is this Yaff's event?
elijah schaffer
Yes.
austen fleccas fletcher
So I'm going to look at it with like the gay baker cake thing and be like, if Yaff doesn't want to let her in, fine.
She's not allowed in.
Now she can go make a viral video, put it on the internet, show it to a million people, and the people watching can be like, ooh, I'm not that happy with Yaff, or ooh, Yaff did a great thing.
And then they can kind of like figure it out that way.
I'm cool with this, how this played out.
If there want to be gatekeepers that establish themselves within the movement that are going to start gatekeeping, then it's like you're going to have like these Groyper Wars.
You're going to have people exposing it.
So it's like it kind of holds these people accountable.
So for as much as it is kind of unfortunate to see the infighting, it is almost like making us leaner for the fight, which is 2020, is how I'm seeing it.
It's like preseason football.
You fight with your own team.
Everyone gets better.
Everyone gets in really good shape.
And then the season happens and you're all one team going forward.
So I think that's kind of what's happening now.
I don't see it going too far in a radical direction.
elijah schaffer
I don't know, though, because one of the weird things is like people keep asking me to take sides in all this too.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, me too.
elijah schaffer
Like, take a side.
Who are you with?
austen fleccas fletcher
I don't have to do anything.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, exactly.
I don't want to listen to you.
And then what's funny is when they actually ask you what your real views are on all this infighting and stuff, and I share my real views, and then one group says, oh, you're too controversial.
It's like the conservative Inc. tell me, people tell me, like, sometimes they blacklist me from things.
So they go, you're too fringy.
And the fringe people go, oh, you're conservative ink.
And it's like, maybe I'm just me.
Maybe I've never changed.
Maybe I don't support Israel because Glenn Beck paid me to do it.
Maybe I just believe in the state of Israel.
People go, you're a shill.
Here you go, shilling for Israel.
You're like, dude, I've always had these same views.
It's like, why would you get hired at a barber if you didn't know how to cut hair?
Why would you get hired in an organization that is pro-Israel probably if you were against Israel?
They didn't tell me to believe what I believe.
I probably fit in with a certain organization because I held similar views.
But then it's like, oh, so you're just another stock and you just fall in line with everything they believe.
It's like, no, probably the most pro-Trump person, one of the more pro-Trump people at the Blaze.
I've been since day one.
I've been always against people who make, I mean, you know, who took them lightly.
They're never Trumpers.
And it's like, why can't you just accept that there's no distinct lines?
Like, you're a conservative Inc. or you're this Groiper person.
Like, why don't you just let people be free thinkers?
unidentified
Right.
And I'm totally for like having a discussion and everything, but you shouldn't be like forced to speak to somebody if you don't want to speak to them, right?
So like a lot of people in the Groiper movement are like, oh, answer these questions, answer these questions.
Charlie Kirk doesn't answer these questions.
And it's like, well, he doesn't like have to if he doesn't want to.
You know, like he might be doing a bad job like for his own PR, but like he's not forced to do anything.
elijah schaffer
But is it disingenuous from not to?
That's the argument.
And that they'll talk to, like Mike Cernovich put up a good thing.
You might have a comment on this.
He was saying, like, basically, like Dan Crenshaw and these people will sit down with like abortionists and like really people that are far left, you know, people that are like black nationalists, people that are looking, you know, they're against white people, like anti-white racists, but like you won't sit down with anyone on like that you consider, even if you, even if they are bad people.
Let's just give the benefit of the doubt.
Let's say either team is completely right about each other when we're talking to them and conservative ink's evil or the groupers are evil, whatever.
You talk to them.
It's like the idea is so are people who kill babies.
But I'll sit down and talk to an abortionist doctor and I'm not really like, I don't get what the threat is of talking to people and actually answering them.
And someone doesn't believe in abortion or does, that's where we have to have the argument.
Like, why do I not agree that abortion is a good idea?
And I have to sit down and kind of explain myself.
And a lot of people won't agree.
They'll get mad at me.
They'll say I'm against women and everything.
But I'm willing to take that to have the conversation.
But I think that what Mike was pointing out is like, it's just disingenuous a little bit.
He doesn't even like Nick Fuentes.
He even wrote on his tweet, like, I think he's too offensive, too out there.
I'm not, don't think he's like, I don't agree with where he goes.
I don't think his followers are great.
But he's still saying, but like the fact that you will go out of your way to talk to all these other people you disagree with, and then you won't talk to a certain group of people you disagree with.
They just think it's disingenuous.
unidentified
And I, I don't know, yeah, I definitely can see both sides.
So it's like, yeah, it's like the best ideas are supposed to win.
And it's like, well, if, I don't know, Turning Pointer Charlie Kirk doesn't want to be labeled like, oh, you're entertaining these white nationalists-labeled conservatives.
And it's like, I could see how that might get messy, but I still think that they should, he should at least sit down or, you know, just hammer it out that way.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, I think the truth's in the middle here.
Like, yeah, there should be an entertainment of ideas at the same time.
Charlie Kirk runs a 501c3.
The same time Nick Fuentes has, I think, 70,000 followers.
He's been ripping up and growing.
elijah schaffer
Someone told me again, like 20, 80,000 a month.
austen fleccas fletcher
But like, no one has to do anything.
Like, yeah, maybe there should be a discussion.
Like, that could be beneficial.
Maybe there isn't going to be one.
But, you know, it's not shutting down free speech if you don't invite people to your private events.
That's just like, you know, essentially with the aft or whatever this is.
It's like, you don't, no one has to do anything.
elijah schaffer
Well, and I think this is where I brought up to someone that was really interesting about this: there's this complaint about gatekeepers, which is a real issue always.
But you brought up earlier, like, gatekeeping is not clearly as big of a deal as it was before the age of the internet.
Like, Nick's a good example.
Like, he had these ideas, he wanted to get big, and now he's suddenly growing and getting his audience.
And it's like, there's no, nobody can stop him from getting the Twitter followers unless he literally got deleted.
But like, nobody can literally tell Twitter, don't let people follow him.
He's growing in this following because that's kind of the freedom of the internet.
You can draw people, even if you get kicked off platforms, you can make your own websites and stuff.
You can draw people to you.
And Ben Shapiro can't make him not get followers.
Like, it's like, it's not like the TV days where there's only a couple networks.
unidentified
Like Milo.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, like, well, yeah, exactly.
They got him off.
But that's what I want to say with this.
That's why I just think it's really weird too, because somebody said, okay, cool.
Well, what about with the gatekeepers?
Are they bad?
And I said, dude, I made a video my last podcast and I don't care.
Fine.
People had their comments against it.
But there was like thousands of comments on there that were basically just like homophobic pejoratives.
Just like, you know, I mean, it wasn't like a lot of like good answers.
It was just like angry people who were really mean spirited.
And that's what I told him.
I said, if you want to call out the conservative Inc. people for gatekeeping, fine.
But then you've got to answer the fact that why would I want you guys to be in charge if what you guys do is just get together and grope and attack people?
If you were in power, it looks like you would be just as aggressive and bad too.
So it's like, you want me to choose a side of who I want in power?
I don't want gatekeepers on any side in power.
And I don't want people who are using aggression.
And it's all negativity.
It's just tearing people down.
Like Dave Rubin said, he goes, I'm not going to talk to people who all they do is just say terrible things about me and cut me down.
Like, why do I want to talk to those people?
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, every time I'm introduced into that world or mentioned or involved in a tweet or an Instagram, whenever I get comments from the Groiper crew, it's always like, Israel shill, flaggers is a Jew.
And I'm just like, what?
Like, what the beard?
Yeah, I look Jewish, but I was like, what are you guys talking about?
And it's all just this horrible stuff.
And it's like, why would I want to dig deeper on your side?
I'm not saying I'm choosing to be ignorant.
I think he brought up some fair points.
And Charlie did adjust his views on immigration and come out with that publicly.
I think there was some good stuff that was done.
then all like the Israel, you're a Jew, shill, all this stuff.
It's like, ah, you guys got to work on like the branding and the marketing side.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, it's like too, there's like too many toxic people mixed in.
And that's what, that's what I would say is ultimately is that that to me is my biggest frustration with this is it's not like it's not like Nick gets all his ideas wrong.
Like when he talks about certain things, you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater technically because it's like no one, no one person gets every idea wrong, right?
Even people who hate Trump, there's like, it's like, well, Trump, there are some good things that you can admit Trump did.
But the thing is, is that there's just these people that are going in.
It's like, I'm not holding him accountable, by the way, for the people that follow him because I can't do that to people who can't say, well, these people follow you.
But like also, too, if like anytime someone doesn't give you 100% of what you want or doesn't agree with you, you get the whole point of it is you get groiped.
They come after you and just destroy you.
It's like, well, that's not a positive movement.
Like I don't, I don't want to be with a bunch of negative people.
I don't like that.
Like that's not my style.
Like I'm more of a relaxed dude.
And if that's what being a real conservative is, I've never even claimed to be like.
unidentified
A real, what is that?
elijah schaffer
Well, they always say a true, true conservative.
It's like, I've always said like I was more of a liberal guy and I've been open and I've been centered.
I kind of moved in the direction.
Then everyone's mad that I am who I said I had been.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah.
And this whole situation too, it's like there is room for criticism.
There is room to call out the yafts or the turning points or whatever and make your point heard.
We live in a world of ultra transparency on the internet.
Everyone can put a video out that can go viral.
So if you have a good idea, people will see it.
And that's kind of what happened here.
But at a certain point, it's like back to like the football analogy.
It's like you don't hit your own teammate in a way that you know would injure them.
You just like pull off and not do it.
So it's like there is a point where, yeah, be criticizing, go hard, make a point.
But then if you cross that line where it's like, it's actually personal and you just want to burn Charlie Kirk down and Turning Point USA down, then you're ruining it for a lot of people.
And like, yeah, you may not agree with Turning Point and everything, but I think Turning Point is a net positive.
Like where was conservative student outreach five years ago?
None.
Now there's hundreds of thousands of members.
These kids are excited about it.
It's easy to get like a community and start building like grassroots stuff.
And that's like such an important thing right now.
And to burn it down because maybe you have like a personal vendetta or personal hate against the guy, I think that would be short-sighted.
And I don't know.
I'm interested to see how it plays out, but it is, you know, getting into some murky waters.
unidentified
Yeah, the tactics are very like far left that they're doing.
And they're supposed to be like fighting.
elijah schaffer
Both sides are doing it too.
Like, that's what I'm saying about the idea of like, well, which side are you in?
It's like, dude, yes, if somebody's just calling you a white supremacist and an anti-Semite without evidence or taking it a context, sure, I'll say that's wrong too.
But then also you just saying like, well, you got to take these people down with like, well, who's in it?
Like, who are you taking down?
A person?
The organization?
All of us?
And it's like, it's like, also, remember, this politics has a spectrum of ideas.
And we don't all feel the exact same way.
But like, one thing I think is interesting, someone's like, conservative ink is the ultimate enemy.
We've got to take them down.
And I go, you're mad about their views on immigration.
So somebody who you think is going to let too many people in on immigrants is your issue when the left's idea is open borders.
The left is literally fighting for open borders.
To me, that's a bigger enemy.
austen fleccas fletcher
I told one of the Groipers that I was at UCLA and I met like one of the Grouper's nice guy.
He was a fan of my show.
He was cool.
He wasn't mad at me for anything.
But he was like talking about how mad he is with Trump.
It's not enough wall built.
And I was like, all right, dude, vote for Elizabeth Warren.
Sorry.
There's your other option.
Don't vote for Trump.
He's not doing a good enough job.
What we have with Trump is a one in a hundred years president.
So it's like, yeah, he's not doing, you know, it's not perfect or it's not as fast as you want.
Sorry.
But the other option is so insanely radical and they're going to try to like make up for all the lost time of Trump that they're going to go so radical and that's like the real problem happens.
elijah schaffer
Right.
Well, and I fully agree, but I also think too that like that's why I'm just not clear what people want.
And I think when I've talked to them, I think the Groyper is and I kind of want to close on this for this segment is that I think they just want to be a part of the conversation.
And that being said, look, I don't mind.
I think that is wrong if people are trying to keep certain people out of the conversation.
But I do think that if they're going to find any real traction, they need to really figure out how to clean up, not just the optics, but really, like, there's just, if you look at the comments and you look at where the people come from, there's a lot of people, and I'll just say with very toxic views on things.
They're very, I'm like, they go, well, don't white people have the right to exist?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
But also, too, like, you know, when you hyper-focus on Israel and you also are constantly saying that America's for white people, it's like, and then they can't work with you that's what they're doing.
I can't work with you on that one.
austen fleccas fletcher
And their avatar is the frog and their handle is like Groyper, man, Catholic.
And it's like, ugh.
It's definitely a Groyper.
elijah schaffer
That's what I'm saying.
It's too exclusive that it's like, it doesn't look at the country as a whole.
And so it's totally a fine thing.
I was distracted because the light fell behind you.
And I thought there was like a police.
And then I realized there's no windows in here.
So they're like, why would I see a police light?
But anyway.
austen fleccas fletcher
but yeah good point no no but I'm just saying there needs to be a sea at the table I think for a lot There's a lot of people.
There's 100,000 young people that are watching this guy.
And it's like, I worry that, well, I think it's going to happen is they're going to throw him.
They're going to wait until 2020.
They're going to throw him off.
They're going to deplatform him.
I think it's going to be the left's going to write some articles about him.
They're going to get him de-platformed like they try to do with Crowder.
And they're going to try to drag Michelle Malkin in too.
So they have him done.
They can de-platform him pretty much for whenever, just because he's said already enough things and they have enough articles that people have been deplatformed for less.
They'll get him and they're just going to see who associates with him in the next six months.
And then bam, oh, Michelle Malkin, so-and-so, so-and-so, Nick Fuentez, you guys are all out.
elijah schaffer
Deplatform is always a bad idea, though.
I'll say that.
austen fleccas fletcher
I don't think that works.
Radicalizing.
It's like now you have 100,000 mad people who are justifiably mad.
Why am I getting taken off of the free market of ideas or whatever?
Now we're like, we have to take action.
That's what I worry about.
elijah schaffer
Right.
That's all I'll say.
I think that if they have good points, then they need to really differentiate the good points and condemn previous things that were said.
And I know they keep saying it's edgy humor, but in the real world, it's like sometimes edgy, it's like kind of like walking up to you, like, haha, you're that ugly bitch.
And it's like, oh, that was a joke.
It was just edgy.
And it's like, well, you can't be mad then that you offended someone.
If you keep saying it's a joke, like every time it's like, I hate your guts, hope your mom dies.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
It's like, sure, you could say I was just joking every time, but eventually you're just going to piss everyone off in the room.
And then you're like, why is everyone pissed off at me?
And it's like, because you just keep calling everyone, you just keep saying things that pissing everyone off.
And it's not like, you know, that's all I'm saying that's happening.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
So vegans are back in the news this week.
unidentified
Love them.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, so vegans, this is a real article, by the way.
So a vegan man is suing the Burger King chain.
We have a Burger King employee in the background.
That's my sister-in-law.
Tessa, she's a Burger King employee.
Yeah, it's called Hungry Jacks.
But it says here that a man is suing Burger King because the meatless impossible whopper is cooked on the same grill as meat products.
unidentified
Oh, that's actually kind of bad.
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, good suit.
unidentified
That's actually pretty bad.
austen fleccas fletcher
Good soup.
unidentified
Yeah.
austen fleccas fletcher
I agree.
That's bad.
Line crossed.
No good.
elijah schaffer
I hate you guys.
unidentified
I was a vegan that would be like yeah my dad eats like he's not vegan he's like pescatarian but he eats a lot of vegan stuff and he cannot have anything cooked even in the same like pan as me because he'll get sick So that's a valid.
austen fleccas fletcher
Pescatarian?
unidentified
Pescatarians like fish.
elijah schaffer
I think it's a stupid lawsuit.
I thought that was a religious.
In Hungry Jacks, though, don't they have a, you said they have an actual Rebel Whopper, and they tell people that it's cooked on the same grill, right?
austen fleccas fletcher
This is gonna lead to every time you go to fast food, they're already telling you now, like, oh, there's like cancer stuff in the food.
It's like written, it's on the thing, and everyone's like, Okay, and like it's in our face.
There's soon gonna be like a waiver where you get to the thing, you have to like hit a thing and like sign your life away because you're eating like poison food.
And they're gonna be like, We have to have people sign waivers every time they're doing it.
elijah schaffer
That's stupid, though.
It's like Burger King.
It's like next month's gonna be suing Burger King for like making them fat.
It's like it's Burger King, it's not good for you.
And why do you expect it's like a five-star meal?
It's like, I can't believe there's like beef fat next to my like, they already gave you a vegan burger.
Like, grow up, just go eat hell.
You're a vegan.
Why are you eating Burger King?
Yeah, it's like those vegans who eat french fries all the time.
Like, well, I'm a vegan.
And you go, well, you're fat as hell because you don't understand veganism.
It's not about just eating potatoes.
Like, it's about changing your lifestyle to be healthier.
unidentified
Yeah, but shouldn't they take into consideration, though, that if they're going to adopt a vegan burger, then they should also maybe cook it the way vegans would and take into consideration, like, I don't give a damn.
austen fleccas fletcher
Is everything else?
Is the bun and the sauce and the cheese all vegan too?
unidentified
I don't think the cheese is.
austen fleccas fletcher
Because if it's not, then they're kind of like, it's a veggie burger.
unidentified
That's true.
austen fleccas fletcher
If it's vegan, if it's a veggie burger, you can put that on whatever.
elijah schaffer
No, I'm, okay, I know there are conservative vegans, that's fine, but they're not the ones suing Burger King.
austen fleccas fletcher
There's conservative UFC fighters.
It's not that crazy.
elijah schaffer
No, I know, but I'm saying, but these are the vegans I hate.
This one people hate them.
It's like, it's just because it's like, dude, it's what you like.
You want an impossible burger.
Now you're suing the company because they cook it.
Like, just go don't eat there anymore.
It's like, raise awareness, write a blog, make money off of it.
You're suing the company.
This isn't a hell of a personal choice.
unidentified
Do we know what circumstances they were suing?
Like, did they eat it and they got sick because they realized they cooked it in the meat?
elijah schaffer
Did they get sick?
Well, because Burger King's website describes the impossible Whopper as 100% Whopper, 0% beef.
For guessing for a meat-free option, a non-boiler method of preparation is available.
He purchased Impossible Whopper at a location in Atlanta in August after seeing advertisements and paid premium price.
The lawsuit alleges that if he had known the burger would be cooked in such a manner, he would not have purchased it.
Suing what he had sick.
$7.99?
He should have asked.
unidentified
I'm not an animal activist in it.
That's what it sounds like.
Because he said he doesn't.
Where did it go?
He doesn't purchase any animal.
elijah schaffer
He suffered monetary damages?
He suffered monetary damages.
He paid for a Whopper.
That's monetary damages.
unidentified
Yeah, well.
austen fleccas fletcher
This guy needs to go to bed, as Terrence would say.
unidentified
I'd advocate for somebody if they actually got sick from it.
elijah schaffer
Is he going to hell?
austen fleccas fletcher
Or he could sue Burger King, make like $120,000, start a small business.
elijah schaffer
He's going to burn into hell of beef fat for this one.
It's like, no one even likes Burger King.
Burger King doesn't even be sued.
Nobody even goes there.
Like poor Burger King.
It's like Burger King's serving.
Is Burger King still exist?
unidentified
Yeah, but you eat like everything.
elijah schaffer
Well, I was wondering if Burger King was even a real place.
And we're like, Burger King.
I thought I went to business in like 98.
austen fleccas fletcher
I'm a self-proclaimed BK boy.
Me and my old roommate, we speak BK boys.
We go to Burger King all the time, eat Whoppers with cheese.
It's pure Americana.
elijah schaffer
It's disgusting.
austen fleccas fletcher
Bad take on you guys.
unidentified
Wow.
elijah schaffer
Austin eats a lot of cheeseburgers.
unidentified
Yeah, once they're in the middle of the gift true.
You ordered like 30 cheeseburgers from McDonald's at one time.
austen fleccas fletcher
Well, it was for a group of people.
It was from a group of people.
elijah schaffer
That's really bad.
You heard it here.
austen fleccas fletcher
It's like a meeting, and I want people to have options that they didn't all get in.
elijah schaffer
No, it's true.
It's true.
But we'll say on this one.
I did order Burger King.
Do you think that was justified?
Do you think this was justified?
Yes or no?
austen fleccas fletcher
Yeah, got the fat cat corporations.
Sue them every day.
unidentified
I get it, but I'm still like, it would have been better if he got sick.
I mean, I'm glad he didn't get sick, but like, it would have been a word.
austen fleccas fletcher
You're the one laughing at the diarrhea lady before?
Oh, that's interesting.
elijah schaffer
That was the worst segment to start with.
Like, why did we start with diarrhea?
Like, we could have started with something more serious.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
We started with diarrhea.
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