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VERDICT WATCH: Alex Jones Defamation Trial: Sandy Hook 'Hoax' Lawsuit-Connecticut Trial Day 17

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	Good morning, Your Honor.
	Please be seated.
	Good morning.
	All right, we are here on Lackery v.
	Jones, third full day of jury deliberation.
	Council could please identify themselves for the record.
	Yes, good morning, Your Honor, Chris Maddy.
	On behalf of the plaintiffs, joined by my colleagues Eleanor Sterling and Josh Koskosch.
	Good morning, Your Honor.
	Good morning, Your Honor.
	On behalf of Mr. Jones, we appreciate systems.
	Good morning.
	Are we, is that you, Mrs. Ellis?
	Good morning, Mrs. Ellis.
	Are you prepared for the playback for Mr. Sherlock?
	Okay, so I'll greet them and then we'll give you the minute and you'll let me know when we're ready.
	And Council, I was going to have, assuming it's acceptable and I imagine it is, I was going to have Ron tell them that if they would like to bring their notebooks out, they can.
	Since they'll be listening to evidence again, and just leave it up to them since Ron now is not in charge of the notebooks, but just to simply say if you'd like to bring them.
	No objection.
	No objection.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, Mr. Farrer, if you don't mind, just tell them anyone who's interested in bringing their notebooks out certainly may.
	Your Honor, this is playback, not feedback.
	Playback.
	Playback.
	Thanks to Mrs. Ellis.
	Thanks to Mrs.
	Ellis.
	The jury is not yet down from upstairs, so it will be a couple minutes.
	Can I see counsel on the sideboard?
	horrible use of time.
	Thank you.
	We could probably work out today.
	Yeah.
	My thought was that we would give it a day to sit in, sink in, Good morning.
	Good morning, good morning.
	I see Ron told you that you could bring your notepads out if you were interested.
	Good morning everyone.
	Council will stipulate that our entire panel is present.
	Please be seated.
	Another gorgeous fall day.
	Beautiful out by here.
	We're going to get rain at the end of the week.
	I guess we can't complain though.
	So we are, Mrs. Ellis is going to get the playback ready.
	It'll take a minute or so for her to queue it up and then we will be ready to go.
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	Okay?
	Okay, if you can't hear, just raise your hand.
	Good morning, sir.
	Watch your shot.
	Try to tell everybody to be back.
	Good morning.
	Stacking, if you don't mind.
	Good morning.
	Stacking, if you don't mind.
	Good morning.
	I'm going to solve the squares and ceiling and fire back.
	So we're concerned this case.
	You have to do two troubles with nothing.
	So I'll be behind the work I'm going to the curb.
	Thank you.
	Can you be seated?
	I just can give you a state of your name, the smallest over-life type of record in the county of the state and county.
	My name is William Sherlock.
	That's S-H-E-R-L-A-C-H.
	And I live in Fairfield County, Connecticut. I'm a city of work for a member of the future of the family here. I'm a city of work for a member of the family here. I'm a city of work for a member of the family.
	Thank you, Mr. Furrer.
	You may inquire whenever you're ready.
	Hi, uh, Bill.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Um, uh, Bill, uh, can you tell us, uh, you were married at one point, did you want to name Mary or something?
	Right.
	Mary and Joy Green, Sherlock.
	Okay.
	And did Mary die of Santa's shoes?
	Yes, Mary was one of the first two people who heard that.
	You've seen some of the testimony, I think, right?
	Correct.
	So, you know, like you explained, your background and the type of person you are.
	So could you start by telling us your date of birth?
	Sorry.
	I'm 65, that's fine.
	I was born on April 23rd, 1957 in New Rochelle, New York.
	First couple of years was a one-bedroom apartment.
	My parents, Eastchester, New York.
	Second grade, we moved to a little town by the name of Pauling, New York, basically over the border from New Milford, Connecticut, essentially where I grew up.
	And tell us a little more about the family, your parents, your siblings, anything like that.
	I had two brothers.
	I was the eldest.
	My brother, Bob, about 18 months younger than I am.
	I had a youngest brother, Matthew, who was 70 years younger than I am.
	Matt had special needs.
	He was Down syndrome and unfortunately passed several years ago.
	My parents married each other for all time.
	My father was an elementary school principal in Pauley, New York.
	My mom was sort of a state For the town.
	And can you tell the jury about your education?
	Sure.
	Once pulling public schools, a small district.
	Went there second grade through twelfth grade.
	Graduated in 1975. I did an additional year of secondary school at the Petty School down in Heightstown, New Jersey.
	I did a PG year there.
	Graduated there in 76. In the fall of 76 and got out on time.
	It was out in March or May of 80 from the courtroom.
	You got an early release?
	Well compared to some of my contemporaries, yeah.
	And so did you earn a degree from your schooling?
	Yeah, I graduated.
	I never remembered BA or BS. Can you tell us when the circumstances of when you first met?
	Was it my eyes on Mary?
	Very vividly, yes.
	December 11, 1976, the camp was sponsored, I believe at that point, again, it was 76. They still, I think, called it a Christmas party, or they might call it a holiday party.
	But anyway, it was December 11th, 1976.
	I was there with some of my friends for all the obvious reasons.
	It's a lower-priced ticket and all the food you could eat in an open bar until they ran out.
	So we were there.
	And I was sitting next to a friend and teammate of mine.
	And we were just sitting there having a good time.
	And people coming up the stairs were on the second floor.
	And this girl comes up the stairs in a green dress.
	Hey, John.
	Nice looking girl over there.
	She goes, oh, that's Mary Green.
	Do you know her?
	Yeah, I went to school with her in high school.
	you gotta introduce me.
	He goes, you don't have a shot.
	He goes, no way.
	But he did.
	He introduced us and we had a nice conversation through the course of the night.
	I thought it went pretty well.
	Mary and I had to help one of her friends back to the dorm room after the event.
	It's December.
	Pardon me?
	Is this the old bar effect?
	Well, I can't attest.
	Yeah, she needed some help getting home because A, she only had one shoe, and it's December in Central New York, so it's cold.
	So we got her back and said goodbye.
	I'm like, okay, we'll see what happens.
	So interestingly enough, and at that time I had contacts.
	So the next day, because it's getting towards miles and I did study a little bit, the lower level, there was So I'm hanging over there, Mary's coming from the other direction, from the other tower, and I got this big smile on my face, and I'm looking at her, and I'm looking at her, and I'm looking at her, and I'm looking at her, and I'm looking at her, and she walks right away.
	And I'm like, man.
	John was right.
	Yeah, yeah, the quarterback is always right.
	And so I turn around, And it moved forward from there.
	You overcame the high person ahead of you?
	Uh, yeah, because I did a year, she was 32 year older than I was.
	Um, and I did the extra year before going into college, so I was a freshman, she was a junior.
	So we had a couple years together on campus and a couple years together where she had gone off and started her career as it may be at that point in time.
	Sort of back and forth between Portland and Westville, New York, which is outside of Binghamton, so it's like 30 miles away.
	Okay, so we can refer that things progressed to the point of courtship and marriage?
	Yeah, things went pretty well.
	Things went pretty well.
	So how was the shoe?
	I have no recollection of what happened to the shoe.
	Kind of what I was saying.
	So can you tell the jury about, I mean, you spoke about Marius And can you tell the jury about what was it about Mary that attracted you to her?
	Or her to you, right?
	Her to me?
	Yeah.
	That's a lot of questions.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Can you tell us the type of person Mary was when you met her?
	What attracted me to Mary was that she was bright, intelligently, very well-founded.
	Who she was, what she was looking to do, where she wanted to go.
	There was a determination there that when combined with the intellectual aspect of it was a pretty nice package.
	And what do you think she saw in humility or humility aside?
	Well, you know, I played football, I was hanging out with a bunch of other guys.
	I don't know, she was a football fan, she was a big Miami Dolphins fan.
	So that probably didn't hurt.
	Um, but I think just the conversation that we had, just meeting myself and not putting on any kind of airs, I think that, that must have been it, because it wasn't a whole lot after that.
	Well, do you, is that something that you value people often?
	Yes, very much so.
	Neither of us would suffer fools and neither of us would hopefully not put on any kind of air as to who we are or what we're about.
	And can you tell the jury that you got married to Mary at some point?
	Yes, we got married in April of 1981. So, you know, back in those days, people got married at a lot younger age than they tend to today.
	How old were you?
	Again, with the men.
	So I was 24.
	And Mrs. Metamere was 25?
	She was 25.
	And now where were you and Mary in terms of your education or your careers?
	Mary graduated with honors.
	I got out.
	We were contemplating what's going to happen with careers and she had started working for, I think they used to call it the Rehempton Psychiatric Hospital.
	It's probably changed names at this point in time.
	I went home and didn't have any kind of money to speak of.
	So I went home and my best friend's dad was an electrical contractor so I was able to work for him.
	So anytime I was home I had hours that I could work with the electrician.
	And I also helped volunteer coach for the local high school football team.
	So they were more than happy to have me come in and assist them.
	So we did that for the first fall and I was, through that time, job hunting.
	So, you know, the flexibility of working for a friend and a volunteer coach got the hours were suitable for me to make tricks and do interviews and look to find a real job.
	And you said Mary went to the Inghamshire Psychiatric Hospital?
	Yeah, she started out as an aide.
	I mean, you know, ground floor type of stuff.
	She had gotten out with a degree in psychology, but obviously in order to do what she wanted to do long term, it would take more than that.
	Can you tell the jury what were Mary's goals, launch our professional standpoint?
	I don't know if she honed in on school psychologists initially, but it was certainly going to be something in a healthy profession.
	She indeed loved to help people in any way that she could.
	So it could be something, helping people get through problems in their days, problems in their life.
	She's very, excuse me, very much looking to help people in that regard.
	So more in the long lines of mental health rather than physical health?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Not really, I mean, not really any kind of medical.
	I mean, I don't think she wanted to be, she didn't want to be like a psychiatrist, which would be a novel.
	More in the psychologist area.
	Alright, and so you and Mary are living in Back and forth on weekends, I went and applied for a job at a major wire house brokerage firm in Stanford and I started working there in October of 1981. So relatively quickly,
	We ended up renting the bottom of the duplex in the co-exception of Stanford for a wealthy $400 a month.
	And then Mary started, she transferred within the New York State system to Tarrytown in a similar type of facility, but she was able to stay within the state.
	I see.
	So you're living on this first floor, this duplex, and together, and the commute, was it?
	No.
	Stanford to Kerrytown can be a bit of a bear from time to time, but I was working right in Stanford, but long hours and studying for my exams and things that I would need to pursue my profession.
	And you guys are still in your 20s?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And tell us, bring us up to the point in time when you and Mary You know, Mary's getting tired of the commute to Tarrytown, so she was considering looking a little bit more local.
	We were thinking about starting a family.
	I just started my actual career as a financial advisor.
	So it was certainly our peanut butter and jelly years that we called.
	But we just decided that, you know, I thought it was time to start a family and start looking to buy a house.
	Now, did Mary continue her education during this time period that year?
	No, not originally.
	Um, we, we moved, we moved to Trumbull, Connecticut, bought a house there.
	Um, shortly thereafter, um, Mary got pregnant and, um, she was a stay-at-home mom for, for my eldest daughter, Mora.
	And then as time went on, we had a second child.
	My career continued to grow, and she decided that she needed to go back for her master's, I believe fifth year, which she was gonna do, which she did do at Southern Connecticut.
	And that was, we worked very well as a team.
	So here I am trying to grow my business, Wednesdays after 5 o'clock, I had to be home.
	And she would go off and drive up to New Haven in her first studies.
	Okay, and you said you had, excuse me, your first child was your daughter, Mora?
	Mora.
	And you said you had a second child?
	Yeah, we had Mora in 84 and we had Katie in 87. And, um...
	How is it, can you take us through how Mary ended up working at the City Park Elementary School?
	Yeah, it was a progression of things.
	I don't know if I'll have it all.
	I could have wound up on this a little bit, but I didn't.
	She started out working part-time.
	Part-time, she worked part-time in the city of New Haven, and then she worked part-time, I believe it was in Reading, doing, as a school Helping schools as a school psychologist.
	Kept applying for jobs.
	Applied for, you know, for the job at Sandy Hook.
	Loved the principal at that point in time.
	Thought it was a great fit and they offered the job.
	So she took it and she was there for 18 years.
	Has she ever worked in any other school system?
	Part-time in Reading and part-time in the paper.
	What, no full-time job?
	No.
	Oh, that's the same time.
	No.
	And was the principal at that time Don Hawksprong or was the previous principal?
	No, I believe his name was Ron Fiorelli I think was his name.
	I'm not 100% sure what that is.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	And in terms of her work at Sandy Hook, did she work for the entire school system or just Sandy Hook Elementary School?
	What can you tell us about that?
	As far as I know, she worked just in, she had enough work to do in the Sandy Hook Elementary School itself.
	And can you tell us about the degree to which Mary even loberated her job?
	No, she was all in.
	She was all in.
	What do you mean by that?
	She would do anything she could to make sure that the kids would get the services that they needed.
	And in the right, I guess you would say, proportionality.
	How many times would I recommend for services for a student?
	And with all due respect to Erica Lafferty, she thought it was her school.
	Oh.
	So, you know, she took very well, she took solid ownership of that school relative to the kids, and it was, it was all about the kids.
	So her, her ideal day would be working with kids the entire time she was there, as opposed to paperwork, reports, and her parents.
	No, she was fine with that.
	She was fine with that because I think they got the sense that, you know, there was no stonewalling.
	It was just, okay, what do we need to do for your son or daughter to get them the appropriate help?
	And so she was dealing for 18 years with elementary school children who had some needs, some psychological needs, or some adjustments.
	Yeah, they did the testing and then they were, the services were warranted.
	So she would do testing, follow-ups, you know, parent-teacher conferences in terms of PPTs, whatever they're called, to, you know, make sure that the children were on the track that they were supposed to be in terms of services.
	And do you know whether or not Mary had plans Well, it was always next year I'm going to retire, or grandbabies, whichever one was first.
	Grandbabies are drunk?
	Oh yeah, that would have been the drop date.
	Two weeks notice?
	Well, it was more than two weeks notice.
	I mean, we have nine months advance for this, so yes.
	But that was definitely, that was the hard stop right there.
	Okay.
	But so she had been maybe someplace for either her retirement and her, she had some kind of assumption that she'd be a grandma.
	Oh yeah, very much so.
	And can you tell us about what was her relationship like with your daughters?
	It's as sour as sour could be.
	You know, that whole empathy, psychologist, And
	as a financial advisor, built a So,
	we were on the floor and you wanted to buy something and I wanted to sell it to you.
	It was a verbal commitment and that was done.
	So, it's a little different today, but I'm a little old school on that respect.
	Speaking English, how is your, are you, do you see yourself in here?
	Well, I was, you know, I was married for 31 years, quite nicely, so coachable.
	I can, you know, if you lead me in the right direction, I can Do you know what a tag is or a like is?
	I don't know how to, but I do know what a tag and a like is.
	Do you have an active social media presence?
	I have a Facebook page that I basically took over from Mary because I didn't have to build it or build it.
	I just assumed it.
	Can we show a picture of Mary?
	We move to introduce, we can show you.
	42 to about 44.
	There are no objections, did you?
	Thank you.
	Let's show 543 first.
	This is a glamour shot.
	Yeah, that's...
	This was the orchard or whatever.
	My older daughter's wedding day.
	So she was fortunate not to be able to see her over here.
	One of her daughters.
	Can we show her?
	This could be Maura, my oldest, she's 38 now.
	And when was Maura's wedding?
	What year?
	2010.
	And, uh, let's show a slightly different way 542.
	Who is that now?
	It's not me.
	This actually I believe is the very last boot drive I have of America.
	This was taken, this was at, this is on the playing field at the college we attended.
	This was the final home game of the year against our arch rival college.
	A former teammate, a good friend of mine is the coach, so we had field passes.
	It was senior day, and one of the player's moms didn't show up, so Mac had an extra rose, gave it to Mary.
	Mary came over to the sideline.
	That's a very terrible mascot.
	I don't know if they're split.
	I think they're split.
	It could be better, but this was November of 12, probably the second week.
	That game usually falls the second weekend in November.
	So this was about a month before the shoot.
	So I do believe this is the very last picture.
	School colors, obviously, red.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Bill.
	I want to ask you Excuse me.
	Did you have plans heading into the weekend of December 14th?
	Yeah.
	We had plans that weekend to go with my two business partners, Sal's wife and Rob's significant other.
	We were going to Essex for the weekend.
	I asked Mary to take We had a couple things she had to take care of in the morning.
	The night before, we no longer, we don't do this anymore.
	We used to have a bunch of people, a bunch of guys to get together and go into New York around holiday time.
	Anywhere from 10 to 20 of us.
	We'd go in, stop at the Roosevelt Hotel for drinks because it's right on the back side of Grand Central.
	Then we'd go out and have a couple of restaurants, have a nice dinner, laugh, have a good time, and head home.
	So I was out kind of late the night before and I hoped for Mary to take off but that wasn't going to happen.
	She had a couple of things to do.
	So that's what happened.
	Was she going to have meetings with kids who are under some kind of trouble or crisis?
	I'm not privy to what the actual meeting was about but it was one of those things where, you know, okay, you say you have a couple things to take care of and that's what we'll do.
	So I was going to go into work for half a day, you're going to come home and leave around in a minute time.
	And the probably most interesting thing with that morning is that most of the people who are in the world are in the world.
	mornings are very You
	know, you said something that you weren't privy to what Mary did.
	Mary was a psychologist and her communications were confidential.
	And in order to do that job, did she have This
	is what you do to that.
	The scenario would play out, but no details, no references to anyone.
	But that's the way it was with Mary.
	She had three different color highlighters in her calendar for different things.
	It was a really tight day at music school.
	you only have so much time, so you can only allow so much per meeting.
	So it was pretty tight.
	What happened at school?
	I was in the office and working.
	And my department, pardon me.
	You're physically located in Fairfield.
	In Fairfield.
	I was on the post road in Fairfield.
	My partner Sal comes in and says look As
	I'm coming on, there's two ambulances coming on from coming south on 95 at a very high rate of speed, so I just got in behind them.
	And we're tearing up 25. I don't know how fast we're going.
	Fast as they were going, I was going.
	And then I got stopped at Half an hour to 35 minute ride with no traffic.
	So I never really went up there.
	So I didn't really have it.
	I generally knew where the school was.
	So I got in the car, drove as fast as I could, getting down into the little hamlet of Sandy Hook itself.
	And now I know I'm in the right spot because it's just a mess of cars and lights and everything else.
	So I just pulled off on a side road and parked the car and I ran the rest of the way into the firehouse.
	The scene of the firehouse is grabbed by partly so.
	Did you see?
	Did you see, Charlie?
	I don't believe I saw that from this.
	Sorry, but did you recall seeing Carly in the firehouse?
	I only came to know later that that's one of the pictures that you used in evidence I
	don't see Mary, and again, I don't really know anyone who's there.
	But there was, someone came at me that had a lanyard on, and I recognized the name, because it was another Go
	Dawn, Mary, and the lead teacher, again, left the room, and only the lead teacher came back.
	So at that point in time, I knew this was going to have a terrible, terrible ending to it.
	You hold out all hope against hope.
	So I was probably one of those people that were circling through the firehouse, who was looking and hoping that somebody made a mistake.
	But as time went on, I was able to verify the fact that Mary had gone over the two that did not make it back into the medium of that morning.
	So is it your understanding that Mary left the office in front of the jury?
	My understanding is that the three of them, one first, Mary, and then the lead teacher, went out to see what was going on in the lobby.
	The order of which happened, I mean, who knows?
	But I do know that Mary was shot five times.
	Any of each, there were two shots, either of which would have been failed basically instantly.
	Did you go to the school this summer that you went to school?
	It was, we were coming back from some place and it's located on Interstate 84 where we would get off at the Route 34 exit and take back roads into Trumbull.
	And a little sarcastic, she said, you know, you've never seen my school, can we at least drive through the, can we at least take a run through the driveway?
	And I said, okay, honest, you know, not a problem.
	Was she proud of the school that she went there?
	Very much so, yeah, very much so.
	She had a payday.
	She could not speak highly enough about the fact that she could stay at it.
	That's Sandy Love.
	Was it a disarray?
	Did it look anything like a toxic waste dump or cut out of a fake scene?
	Not the day I drove through it.
	Not the day I went in to look at the school after they had closed things up and offered to have the victims walk through the school weeks after the shooting.
	No, certainly not.
	Was the school ever closed down for any length of time?
	No, not at all.
	Did there come a time, Bill, when you got -- well, first of all, did you ever heard of this Alex?
	You know this guy?
	No.
	Um, have you ever heard of Info Wars?
	No.
	Okay.
	Um, and uh, do you have any idea what he was up to while you were racing to the schoolhouse?
	You have to realize I had no social media presence whatsoever.
	I am a dinosaur when it comes to technology.
	Um, I had an email address but I never used it.
	I didn't know how.
	It was fabulous.
	You know, an old company that doesn't even exist anymore.
	I had no Facebook.
	I don't tweet.
	I don't Instagram.
	I had none of that.
	that I couldn't find out to do it.
	So I had no idea, I had no idea anything related to the Solvig.
	And you had no other, in fact, you had no other experience, well with that.
	Did there come a time, Bill?
	Well, can you tell us a little bit about...
	Oh, I'm sorry, it's Brooklyn.
	Oh.
	Yeah, that's very, that's very good.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're welcome.
	Did you have, can you just tell us that the plans obviously They
	had started their way to come up because I told them that it didn't look good.
	And then I was like, I got to go home.
	I got to be there for the girls when they get home.
	So by that time, my two work partners, Rob and Sal, had somehow, they're in sales, they got themselves thrown into the firehouse somehow.
	And they said, all right, come on, we'll get you home.
	You know, so they came together, so one of them drove my car home.
	And then, you know, the five sets in.
	It's the people stopping over, people bringing, you know, food, people bringing in cases of wine.
	I mean, just non-stop people coming in that Friday afternoon, Friday evening.
	In fact, the guy who introduced me to Mary And
	did there come a time, I know you're a social media dinosaur, sounds like you've proven that.
	Did there come a time, little Bill, that you became aware of the lies related to sin?
	I stumbled into it as I was trying to I mean, as far as we were concerned, it was sort of an open and shut case relative to what was going on, but trying to get out on the internet and try to just find out what was going on.
	And different links would take you to search You start to see these distortions of what
	I knew to be true, having been there and been a little bit on the inside of what was going on.
	And then you start to get deeper and deeper into it because you'll see something that says something that you know is not true.
	And then it started with, from various areas, that this is all hoax.
	That it's not, you know, Mary didn't exist.
	They don't live.
	The name isn't sure a lot.
	You know, for somehow they're saying Mary didn't even have a credential to be a school psychologist.
	I mean, it's just all sorts of stuff there to sort of run through.
	Really in order to protect Mary, her name, her reputation, as well as to make sure that I stayed in front of this, both of my daughters.
	Please get back to your...
	becoming aware of this concept that Mary didn't exist.
	And you were talking about her authenticity, her integrity, her job, and just the type of person she was.
	What is it like to know that there were, well did you know how many people were out there?
	None.
	Not at all.
	Did you know what Alex Jones Creek was?
	By the time you started learning about this.
	So, James and Jerry and Pencreen, when was it?
	Yes, thank you.
	Sorry, Bill.
	As of December 2012, I had no idea about almost anything related to websites and stuff like that.
	And when you started, the time period in which you began to wonder about Mary not having existed, about you being some other person, about Sandy Hook not happening and being part of a governmental post, In other words, when the first time is that you got exposed to Alex Jones' lies?
	Well, let me rephrase.
	What was the first time you got What is it like to apply I'm
	sure you are.
	And all of a sudden it's just gone.
	The kids were home, just to give you an example.
	The kids were home and got through Saturday.
	The body's amazing what it does to help you survive these kind of times.
	And we're going to go to church someday morning.
	And at that point in time, it was just me, my two daughters, and my son-in-law in the house.
	We didn't have any overnight guests.
	I woke up, and I looked across the bed.
	No one was there.
	And I was like, this is how it's going to be.
	And I lost them.
	Totally lost them.
	Kids came running in, jumped in, in bed, hugging, kissing, stuff like that.
	And at that point in time, I thought that would be the last time I was losing in front of them.
	My daughter, my younger daughter, was halfway through her doctorate program in chemistry at Georgetown.
	And I know that, you know, I know enough that I
	really didn't work for just that race.
	As I said once before, it's like one of those big pink erasers you had in elementary school.
	It sounds like, Billy, you kept marrying a lot of it.
	Like you said, she'd get this to you.
	Yeah, well, you know, I made a comment My father just appreciated that.
	I think she married up.
	Well, anyway, I definitely married up, and I learned a lot.
	And I'm sure Mary learned a lot from me.
	And, you know, the sum of the parts were greater than us, you know, were greater than the whole.
	So, I learned a lot from her.
	And was it comforting to you in the aftermath of losing Mary to recall her, to think about her, to think about what she would like you to be doing?
	Yeah, because I thought I had no other choice.
	I mean, what else was I going to do?
	I just couldn't sit there and do nothing.
	And again, at that point in time, as the others have testified, monies and donations start coming in.
	It's like, okay, you know, on top of everything else, what are we going to do here?
	And because of my job, I knew of the Fairfield County Community Foundation.
	And fortunately, we didn't need the monies.
	So we said, okay, we're going to start sending the money to that.
	And eventually, we put together what's called Mary's Fund.
	And we directed all those monies there.
	We held a number seven or eight dollars We're doing work.
	almost $280,000 of contributions to a program called TeamTalk.
	TeamTalk is run by kids in crisis at French, and they actually place counselors in middle schools and high schools that are employees of TeamTalk for kids in crisis.
	So that's why all they have to do is counsel kids and walk the hallways, look for kids that are isolated, look for kids that are being bullied, look for kids that are having trouble.
	They're not employees of the school that they are, they're reporters, but they don't do lunch duty, they don't bus food, they're just there for the kids.
	So this was sort of a fastball in the middle, and FCCF will actually bet, you know, they bet it, that's how we came up with it.
	People apply for grants, they bet them.
	I didn't have to do, I didn't have to come up with the board, they didn't have to come up with a lawyer, an attorney, an account, I didn't have to do any of that.
	I paid them to do that.
	But then I can focus my efforts on raising the money, getting it to them, getting it to where we feel it's best needed.
	And we'll decide that it's now, it'll go on in perpetuity, so my kids will have to step up after I'm going and direct it, and then my granddaughters will have to step up after they're going.
	So, So this will be on forever.
	And is this your way and your family's way of keeping Mary's legacy or identity alive?
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	But you shouldn't be forgotten.
	That one person can make a difference.
	My older daughter even started in a Mary's front of Southern New Jersey.
	And, you know, they'll raise money and then they turn around and spend it all.
	They give out to scholarships and to other nonprofits that are in the same sort of field that they're looking to help out.
	You talked, Bill, about becoming exposed to the lies that Mary didn't exist.
	That you've been impacted.
	And I'm wondering how you confront something like that when you know very well that she did exist and that she mattered.
	Can you just give us a flavor of that?
	I mean, at first I had so many things on my table.
	I would just dismiss it.
	But then it didn't go away.
	And it would start to build, not just on me, but on others.
	You know, I was a little fortunate in the fact that I wasn't in Newtown, so I physically wasn't president of Newtown.
	I lived in Trumbull.
	I didn't have...
	My own social network.
	Mary had hers.
	So I was a little insulated relative to maybe some of the others.
	But after dismissing a few and then starting to see more and more of the same and others, I did start to follow a little bit more closely.
	So there were any myriad number of websites or whatever that were carrying on these things.
	And in terms of your own credibility, you started talking about hearing some things about you being an apostle or somebody else.
	Can you describe those types of things to the jury?
	One of the, I have no idea what website it was.
	It was not, it was not Ellis Jones.
	We were not insuralized, we were the Goldbergs.
	I forget how they spelled, but I've tried the name.
	And we lived in Florida, and my daughters were Goldbergs, and they lived in Florida.
	And that I was part of some financial cabal that was manipulating the overnight rates in Great Britain.
	And it got to the point where they were actually saying that I was somehow involved with the shooter's father in terms of this cabal.
	I mean, it was just ridiculous.
	But, you know, being in the business I'm in, you know, you don't want that out there.
	I knew it was crazy, but the general public might not know it was crazy.
	And, um, you know, the general public might not know it was crazy.
	You talked about your daughters and Mary's three of them becoming a grandmother.
	Did there come a time when you had, uh, when you had grandkids?
	Oh, yeah.
	Um, yeah, Maura was born in, uh, Maura was born in, uh, let's see, 28. We can't have a map here, but she was born in And
	Bill, you've established that you're not a big social media presence.
	Did there come a time that you became concerned about your safety and the safety There that I was concerned that, well, let's put it this way, okay, so let's move it back a little bit.
	The major crime unit from the state police, we had meetings with them very high.
	And at the end of the meetings, they would always tell us, be on guard, be careful about what you do, make sure you know where you are, what's going on.
	Our liaison from Is
	the situation a segment of the community not?
	Is the situation here for And
	were there any events that occurred that increased your degree of concern about safety for your family?
	Not, not to you personally, but...
	Well, no, I mean, it's, it's again, it can come from anywhere.
	You actually moved to strike down responsibility.
	Oh, for both.
	The, I'll give you an example.
	The summer after the shooting, I was invited to play in a pro-man golf tournament for the Dick's Open up in NKOT, New York.
	It's kind of nice, you know, you get the little badge on, so you go to certain places and you're having people inside the ropes where they keep the spectators out and everything else.
	Again, one of the two guys that came down tonight at the shooting was my caddy.
	One of the practice green and said, "Let's look where it's something to eat and get some lunch before we start." And as I'm exiting the little chute that they have coming out of the big green, I see this fast movement and I look and there's this guy coming out.
	And he's coming to me.
	He's not going anywhere else.
	He's coming to me.
	And for that two seconds, I'm like, okay, this is it.
	This is game on me.
	I mean, I know I have a buddy next to me.
	Something could happen.
	And then the guy whips out a kid.
	And I'm like, my heart's racing because I thought that this was going to be some sort of competition.
	I guess I looked old enough that I thought I could get this teacher to work.
	Certainly didn't watch me practice.
	But anyway, that kind of thing.
	And it's just kind of before.
	No, I just I went home-loving someone through laughing.
	No, not at all.
	And it's been constant.
	I mean, that's never leaves me at this point.
	Always aware of what's going on around me.
	I introduce myself when I'm out without people that I don't really know.
	It's just my first name.
	I mean, my antennas were up during opening arguments here.
	I can remember we had two marshals come in here, conferred, went to the middle door, conferred, came to the back, went over to the counterparts over here.
	I'm like, "Okay, what's going on?" And that ended up being just a recording, I guess, in the other room.
	But as soon as I said, you know, "Why are these two people here?" It doesn't leave me.
	It doesn't leave me.
	And can you tell us one of those concerns that you have in terms of personal safety extend to your family?
	Of course.
	Yeah, I mean, my older daughter has been very public with her work with her version of Mary Flunson.
	She's written a few articles and op-eds and stuff and written in local papers down in South Jersey.
	My older daughter has been a little bit more private.
	She'll make donations and things like that, but she has not put herself out here in public as much as my younger daughter has.
	Anyone can find you.
	My younger daughter was in the home of Georgetown University at Alexandria.
	The day of the shooting, they're still on the bar, the phone rings, and it's one of the major networks.
	Somehow, I like to go to cell phones.
	I was trying to get a comment on it.
	You can find anyone.
	And were there any, have there been any events, large or public, or I mean, are they increasingly anxious about your safety and that's really bad?
	Nothing specific, just constantly on guard.
	Um, you talked about your kids, excuse me one second, Let me just show you down there at 545. Yeah,
	Yeah, she was getting a card in there.
	It was a while she was getting a card in the door and wasn't clean.
	Got removed from the man.
	Yeah, she never moved.
	And they didn't do this in the grand.
	Yeah.
	And we can show you if you can take that down here.
	So about this.
	Approved.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And this shows you, does it show you with your daughters and grandkids?
	Right.
	Yeah, this was taken out in the backyard.
	We wanted to get photos taken for Christmas gifts and things like that.
	So yeah, that was, and I apologize, that's a picture of the picture.
	I was told that they had the files on my computer, but I don't know if I could get it.
	I don't know if I could get it.
	I could get it.
	Sorry.
	I don't picture that.
	Okay.
	I don't get it.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You did good.
	You did good.
	Who's, this is, uh...
	That's my older daughter Katie, uh, to my right in the picture, and my older daughter more older than they are.
	Thank you.
	I don't know if I could get it.
	Thank you.
	All set.
	All right, so you'll continue to deliberate.
	You'll follow the same process with any further notes, and we will take a recess.
	All right, so you received a note at 2:37 p.m., signed and dated by your four-person quote.
	Can we please have another verdict packet?
	We wrote the wrong number down on a line, end quote.
	My thought, and I can definitely show you this, this is an extra copy, is that it's not necessary to bring them out to hand it to them, but certainly if you would like me to do that, I'm happy to do that.
	It's not necessary from our perspective, Judge.
	Nor mine.
	All right.
	I double-checked.
	All the pages are there.
	Certainly, if you want to take a look at it before Ron brings it in, let me know.
	We probably ought to.
	All right.
	Your Honor, I'm sorry.
	Whenever you're ready, we'd like to address the scheduling issue that we've been discussing with Attorney Ferraro.
	We'd like to do that at the sidebar.
	I think we have an agreement.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	But Eleanor Sterling is necessary for that conversation, so I'll let them answer this first.
	So I'll stay on the record then.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	and told them in the charge, and I'll double check when they bring it out.
	Okay, so we'll have Ron send it in and I'll talk to Council on the cyber.
	So what we have proposed is that the public set aside four days beginning November 2nd, we would have a hearing.
	That's a Wednesday.
	Second?
	Wednesday.
	Friday.
	Right?
	They're necessary.
	And we've agreed to kind of discover an understanding on when discovery will happen.
	So depending on what the plaintiff So we had thought about a briefing schedule with regard to punitive.
	We did not come to an agreement on that.
	There is some concern to us that punitive is relevant to what's going on in the free speech system.
	And so here's some – it would be helpful to move ahead there.
	So what I was proposing was November 21 for simultaneous briefs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So then if the court would expedite, we would file November 21 in the hopes that Attorney Paddis could file by – sorry, not November, October 21 in the hopes that Attorney Paddis could file by October 28.
	I understand he is not comfortable with that.
	And so maybe we should take – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay.
	So – Okay, can you get someone to do that?
	Today is the 12th.
	Yeah, the attorney has to pay the night.
	So...
	And then he responds by October.
	I don't know if I report.
	No.
	We can do the night.
	I would ask for the 30 first.
	No, I'm sorry.
	No, I don't.
	I don't need you.
	If he's, just because we are all tired, if he has until the 31st, may we have a couple more days, so a little bit after the 19th.
	I'm just pressing my team hard.
	I will file a reply within a week.
	within a week of 1031 and but I'll try and get it in soon okay okay
	likely be here as they report today on the 7th so you can argue that day is...
	Of course.
	May I just ask, what day of the week is the 19th?
	On Wednesday?
	Would it be possible to go to the next meeting?
	I'm going to speak up for Dennis Sterling here and ask for the first meeting.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, man.
	Yeah, he was in the room.
	I thought he'd be up there by the time.
	November 7th.
	Oh, okay.
	So I don't think I need much time.
	Sorry, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right, so the hearing on the attorney's fees and clause issue will be November 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th?
	Yes, Your Honor.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	And then the briefing on the punitive damages issue, plaintiff will file October 21, Defense will file October 31, their opposition brief, reply brief, November 6,
	which I understand is a Sunday, but you'll file it in the system, and I still can read it, although it'll be dated on Monday, and we'll have argument on that on November 7. So, Mr. Farter, in case you didn't get that, we're going to block off You're number two, three, four, and seven.
	Understood, Your Honor.
	Okay?
	Thank you, Judge.
	Yes.
	Thank you, Judge.
	We'll leave the courtroom open, Mr. Forer, okay?
	Yes, Your Honor.
	All right, we'll take a recess.
	All rise.
	Here in the Court of Law, please now back in session.
	Thank you, Your Honor.
	- Good afternoon, everyone. - Good afternoon, everyone.
	All right, we'll mark this as a court exhibit, signed and dated by the foreperson.
	Quote, "We have reached our unanimous verdict." Thank you, exclamation point.
	All right, well set?
	Yeah.
	Thank you for this.
	Did you give this to Council?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Good afternoon.
	Take your seats, please.
	Make yourselves comfortable today.
	Please be seated.
	Council will stipulate that our entire panel has returned.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Thank you for your note.
	I understand that you have reached a verdict.
	Mr. Ferrara, whenever you're ready, please.
	Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, as your number is called, please answer here.
	Rise and remain standing.
	Jurer number one?
	Here.
	Jurer number two?
	Here.
	Jurer number three?
	Here.
	Juror number four here juror number five here juror number six here Ladies and gentlemen of the jury in the case of Lafrey at all versus v.
	Jones, Sherlach et al.
	v.
	Jones, and Sherlach et al.
	v.
	Jones, Sherlach, I'm sorry, have you agreed upon a verdict?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Would you please pass the verdict to me?
	And you can be seated.
	Thank you.
	I'm just double checking the map.
	So I am going to send you back with just very minor instruction and I'm sorry for this but I just want to make sure that we cross all the T's and dot all the I's and as Attorney Pettis had pointed out I had asked you you probably don't remember now because it was days ago just to have the four person initial each page as well as sign also I don't see any decimal points and that's fine it's consistent throughout So we can leave it at that.
	So by that, I mean there's no decimal point zero zero, but that is fine.
	I just wanted to point that out, right?
	So we will send the jury back in with that, and then when you're ready, we'll come back out.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Farrow.
	Can I just see it?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Oh.
	Do we have a marshal with him?
	Yes, Your Honor.
	Okay.
	And Mr. Farrell, you'll remember to call when we're done.
	You'll remember to call our alternates and also to reactivate the case on the internet.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you.
	Just so you know, Council, the math is correct and it was signed and dated.
	The only issue was the Thank
	Thank you.
	Received at 3.33 p.m.
	Quote, we are ready with our unanimous verdict.
	End quote.
	Signed and dated by the foreperson.
	All right, so we can bring them out.
	Great white.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Please take your seats.
	The record will reflect that the entire panel has returned.
	And thank you for indulging me with that.
	All right, so I think we can...
	Yes.
	We don't have to, unless Council wants, do you want them recalled one more time by their number?
	I don't think it's necessary, but just bear with me, all right?
	Thank you.
	Verdict.
	We, the jury, have reached our verdict as to damages in this case.
	We have warned damages to each plaintiff and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems LLC as follows.
	Roman number one, compensatory damages.
	Instructions, fill in both numbers for each plaintiff, then go to section two.
	Please enter your damages assessments for each plaintiff on the lines below.
	To plaintiff, Robbie Parker.
	A, defamation/slander damages past and future, $60 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $60 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Robert Parker and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, and Line A and Line B, total $120 million.
	Initial by juror number one.
	Two plaintiffs, David Wheeler.
	A. Defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $25 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $30 million.
	Total, fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff David Wheeler and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems.
	B, $55 million initialed by juror number one.
	Duplanket Francine Wheeler.
	A. Defamation/slander damages, past and future, $24 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $30 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Francine Wheeler and against Alex Jones and Free Speak Systems, Adline A and my B, total $54 million, initials by juror #1.
	To plaintiff Jacqueline Barden, A. Defamation/slander damages, past and future, $10 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $18,800,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Jacqueline Barden and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, Adline A and line B, $28,800,000, initials by juror #1.
	To plaintiff Mark Barden, A. Defamation/slander damages, past and future, $25 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $32,600,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Mark Barden and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, Adline A and line B, $57,600,000, initials by juror #1. initialed by terror number one.
	To plaintiff Nicole Hockley, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $32 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $41,600,000.
	Total, fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Nicole Hockley and against Alec Jones and Free Speech Systems at line A and line B, $73,600,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Ian Hockley, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $38 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $43,600,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Ian Hockley and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, at line A and line B, $81,600,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Jennifer Hensel, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $21 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $31,000,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Jennifer Hensel and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, at line A and line B, $52,000,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Donna Soto, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $18,000,000.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $30,000,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Donna Soto and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, at line A and line B, $48,000,000, initialed by juror number one.
	Well To plaintiff, Carly Soto Parisi, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $30 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $36 million.
	Total, fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Carly Soto Parisi and against Alex Jones, A, slander damages, past and future, $18,600,000.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $39 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Carlos Matthew Soto and against Alex Jones in free speech systems, add line A and line B, $57,600,000, initialed by jury number one.
	To plaintiff Jillian Soto Marino.
	A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $30 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $38,800,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Jillian Soto Marino and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, ad line A, ad line B, $68,800,000, initialed by juror number one.
	A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $45 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $45 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff William Aldenberg and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, Adline A and Adline B, $90 million, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Erica Lafferty, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $18 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $58 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Erica Lafferty and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, Adline A and line B, $76 million, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff William Sherlach, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $9 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $27 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff William Surlatch and against Alex Jones and FreeSystems, Adeline We
	the jury find that the standard charge for the assessment of attorney's fees and costs The verdict may be accepted and recorded.
	Ladies and gentlemen, the jury please listen to your verdict as it has been accepted and recorded.
	Verdict.
	We the jury have reached our verdict as to damages in this case.
	We award damages B,
	emotional distress damages, past and future, $60 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Robert Parker in against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $120 million, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff David Wheeler, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $25 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $30 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff David Wheeler and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A, add line B, $55 million, commissioned by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Francine Wheeler, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $24 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $30 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Francine Wheeler and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $54 million, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Jacqueline Barden, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $10 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $18,800,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Jacqueline Barden and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $28,800,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Marc Barden, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $25 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $32,600,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Marc Barden and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $57,600,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Nicole Hockley, A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $32 million.
	B, emotional distress damages past and future, $41,600,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Nicole Hockley and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $73,600,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff Ian Hockley, a, defamation/slander damages past and future, $38 million.
	b, emotional distress damages past and future, $43,600,000.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Ian Hockley and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems at line A and line B, $81,600,000, initialed by juror number one.
	To Plaintiff Jennifer Hensel, A, defamation/slander damages, past and future, $21 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $31 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages, Plaintiff Jennifer Hensel and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, had Line A and Line B, $52 million, initialed by juror #1.
	To Plaintiff Donna Stoker, A, defamation/slander damages, past and future, $18 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $30 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to Plaintiff Donna Soto and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems, headline A and line B, $48 million, initialed by juror number one.
	To Plaintiff Carly Soto Parisi, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $30 million.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $36 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Carly Soto-Farisi and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems at line A and line B, $66 million, initialed by jury number one.
	To plaintiff Carlos Mathews Soto, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, $18,600,000.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, $39 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Carlos Mathews Soto and against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems at line A and line B, $57,600,000, initialed by jury number one.
	To plaintiff Jillian Soto-Marino.
	A. Defamation/slander damages, past and future, $30 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $38,800,000.
	Total, fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff's Jillian Soto-Marino and against Alex Jones and free speech systems.
	Add line A and line B. $68,800,000.
	Initialed by juror number one.
	To plaintiff William Aldenberg.
	A. Defamation slash slander damages past and future B,
	90 million dollars, initials by juror number 1. To plaintiff Erica Lafferty, A, defamation slash slander damages, past and future, 18 million dollars.
	B, emotional distress damages, past and future, 58 million dollars.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Erica Lafferty against Alex Jones and Free Speech System.
	Add line A and line B, 76 million dollars, initials by juror number 1. A. Slander damages, past and future, $9 million.
	B. Emotional distress damages, past and future, $27 million.
	Total fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff William Sherlack and against Alex Jones and free speech systems, add line A and line B, $36 million, initialed by jury number one.
	From the number two, award of attorney's fees and costs.
	Instructions, you check yes or no.
	If you check yes, the judge will determine the amount due to the plaintiff for reasonable attorney's fees and costs and will then award the plaintiff that amount at a later date.
	If you check no, the judge will award $1 to the plaintiff for their attorney's fees and costs.
	We, the jury, find that the standard charge for the assessment of attorney's fees and costs has been met.
	Yes is checked.
	Reasonable attorney fees and costs to be awarded by the judge at a later date, initialed by juror number one.
	The last page is juror number one signature and the date 10-12-2022 and is also initialed by juror number one.
	Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do you all agree that this is your verdict?
	Yes.
	Anything further counsel before I discharge the jury?
	Nothing from the defense judge.
	All right now as you will recall when we started the case I read some preliminary instructions to you and I now have a brief and I promise you brief statement to read to you regarding post audit communications.
	You've now concluded your service as jurors and jurors often ask Whether they can discuss their jury experience with others.
	Under our law, that decision remains solely with each one of you.
	If you wish to discuss your jury service with others when you're asked about it, or even if you're not asked about it, you may do so.
	On the other hand, if you choose not to discuss your jury service with others, you may refuse to do so.
	The choice is yours.
	It is your right to decide whether to speak or not speak about your experience.
	Now, you may be contacted by members of the media seeking comment from you about your experience in this case.
	You are under no obligation to speak to the media, nor do you need to provide any explanation for not doing so.
	As you know, highly publicized trials may arouse strong reactions in the public.
	For this reason and others, you may wish not to publicize your service as a juror.
	That decision is entirely your own.
	Now I can deviate from the script.
	On a personal note, I would like to thank you all for your service and your dedication in serving on this jury, for taking time out of your busy lives.
	I hope that you found the experience a rewarding one, and I thank you for your service on behalf of the parties, the lawyer, and the court.
	You are hereby formally discharged from your service as jurors.
	Thank you again.

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